said in my best Eurovision accent
10………. 9………. 8………. 7………… 6………. 5……….. 4…………. 3………. 2………. 1
shouts to raucous applause
AUSTRALIA…………………….. STOP VOTING NOW!!!!
Come in Kooyong…… Are you there Kooyong? And your douze poi goes to?
So who does your seat’s douze poi go to?.
Technically people still in the queues who arrived before 4pm can still vote…
Woodie said:
said in my best Eurovision accent10………. 9………. 8………. 7………… 6………. 5……….. 4…………. 3………. 2………. 1
shouts to raucous applause
AUSTRALIA…………………….. STOP VOTING NOW!!!!
Come in Kooyong…… Are you there Kooyong? And your douze poi goes to?
So who does your seat’s douze poi go to?.
Your countdown is out by 4 seconds, hope the polls are out by 4%
BORING….. BORING…..
The don’t do the tele broadcasts from the tally room in Canberra any more.
Nil poi.
Sheesh……. I see there are 151 seats in doubt.
That’d better change, or we’ll be here for months.
Woodie said:
BORING….. BORING…..The don’t do the tele broadcasts from the tally room in Canberra any more.
Nil poi.
Le pardon, mon ami, mais je ne pense pas que ‘douze poi’ soient tout à fait sur la cible. Peut-être ‘douze points’ ?
removes ‘pedant in French’ hat
Just quietly, between us two, ‘points’ in English = ‘points’ in French.
Im watching the abc. it was just mentioned that Bridget Archer has been using a purple background to her advertising.
captain_spalding said:
Woodie said:
BORING….. BORING…..The don’t do the tele broadcasts from the tally room in Canberra any more.
Nil poi.
Le pardon, mon ami, mais je ne pense pas que ‘douze poi’ soient tout à fait sur la cible. Peut-être ‘douze points’ ?
removes ‘pedant in French’ hat
Just quietly, between us two, ‘points’ in English = ‘points’ in French.
How bout “pwa” then, Who does your seat’s douze pwa go to? 😊
Here we go:
Antony is on!
sarahs mum said:
Im watching the abc. it was just mentioned that Bridget Archer has been using a purple background to her advertising.
How very regal
Woodie said:
captain_spalding said:
Woodie said:
BORING….. BORING…..The don’t do the tele broadcasts from the tally room in Canberra any more.
Nil poi.
Le pardon, mon ami, mais je ne pense pas que ‘douze poi’ soient tout à fait sur la cible. Peut-être ‘douze points’ ?
removes ‘pedant in French’ hat
Just quietly, between us two, ‘points’ in English = ‘points’ in French.
How bout “pwa” then, Who does your seat’s douze pwa go to? 😊
It’s really more…‘pwarn’.
sibeen said:
Here we go:Antony is on!
There’s no turning back now!
sarahs mum said:
Im watching the abc.
Sounds like someone’s left their coffee in the microwave at the ABC.
“PING” …………. ““PING”
Woodie said:
sarahs mum said:
Im watching the abc.
Sounds like someone’s left their coffee in the microwave at the ABC.
“PING” …………. ““PING”
captain_spalding said:
Woodie said:
sarahs mum said:
Im watching the abc.
Sounds like someone’s left their coffee in the microwave at the ABC.
“PING” …………. ““PING”
AAAAAARGH!!!!!
It’s Barnaby Goose!!hahahaha – someone just pressed Barnaby’s button.
sibeen said:
hahahaha – someone just pressed Barnaby’s button.
I see Barnaby prefers Sky’s coverage on the big screen.
Not much chance of the Beetrooter being ousted by an indie, alas
dv said:
Not much chance of the Beetrooter being ousted by an indie, alas
He is hard to get rid of. It isn’t an easy task.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Not much chance of the Beetrooter being ousted by an indie, alas
He is hard to get rid of. It isn’t an easy task.
Lemme know when he’s off the screen, this isn’t what I pay my 8 cents for
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Not much chance of the Beetrooter being ousted by an indie, alas
He is hard to get rid of. It isn’t an easy task.
Beetroot stains are the worst…
furious said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Not much chance of the Beetrooter being ousted by an indie, alas
He is hard to get rid of. It isn’t an easy task.
Beetroot stains are the worst…
Time for aborschtion
100% of the seats called so far are for Liberals, if that trend keeps up it will be a landslide
dv said:
100% of the seats called so far are for Liberals, if that trend keeps up it will be a landslide
Nah…… “Other” has got one. Who or where is that “Other”?
Woodie said:
dv said:
100% of the seats called so far are for Liberals, if that trend keeps up it will be a landslide
Nah…… “Other” has got one. Who or where is that “Other”?
is it Wilkie?
We have decided to watch this later, unless things are really interesting on the election coverage. We can flip back to the ABC in the ads.
Big Fat Quiz Of Everything 2022
Saturday, 21 May
8:30 PM – 10:20 PM
ctc
In the Big Fat Quiz of Everything 2022, Question Master Jimmy Carr is joined by a panel of celebrity guests including Rob Beckett, Richard Ayoade, Rosie Jones, Roisin Conaty, Mawaan Rizwan and Joanne McNally. Helping Jimmy set the questions will be Charles Dance, the children of Mitchell Brook Primary School, and a whole host of celebrity question-setters.
I don’t think Antony will be calling it by 7:30.
Greetings
Got the Covids
Felt horrible on the way home from work on Monday afternoon, was fine during the day.
Haven’t been back at work since
RAT tests kept saying nay even though I felt unwell, thought it was a normal cold.
Got a PET test Thursday morning and got the result in the afternoon confirming I have it.
So isolating for a week
Concerning the RAT didn’t pick it up sooner
It returned a positive result when I did it Friday just to see if it would
Cymek said:
Greetings
Got the Covids
Felt horrible on the way home from work on Monday afternoon, was fine during the day.
Haven’t been back at work sinceRAT tests kept saying nay even though I felt unwell, thought it was a normal cold.
Got a PET test Thursday morning and got the result in the afternoon confirming I have it.
So isolating for a week
Concerning the RAT didn’t pick it up sooner
It returned a positive result when I did it Friday just to see if it would
Sorry wrong thread
Allegra Spender in Wentworth. Wow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jK-NcRmVcw
If ON voters all vote like this I’ll be quite happy thanks.
Simon Birmingham is just setting himself up to usurp ScoMo on this ABC broadcast.
buffy said:
Simon Birmingham is just setting himself up to usurp ScoMo on this ABC broadcast.
He’s a senator, so a bit difficult.
Holy shit.
sibeen said:
Holy shit.
What happened?
Antony Green talking about a narrow Lab win and a hung parliament.
Bubblecar said:
sibeen said:
Holy shit.
What happened?
Antony basically said that we might not know for weeks.
I might just keep listening to Classic FM then :)
I think last election I found a site where I could watch the counting numbers from individual electorates. Do any of you know of such a thing?
buffy said:
I think last election I found a site where I could watch the counting numbers from individual electorates. Do any of you know of such a thing?
Not I.
Ian said:
Antony Green talking about a narrow Lab win and a hung parliament.
It was always going to be unlikely for anyone but the Nazis to win in Murdoch’s Australia, so I’m not going to be too shattered.
Dutton behind in Dickson… close
Dutton is in trouble sob.
Dutton in a spot of bother
sibeen said:
buffy said:
I think last election I found a site where I could watch the counting numbers from individual electorates. Do any of you know of such a thing?Not I.
Found one.
https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/election/results-2022
I don’t think I used AFR last time, but it will do.
dv said:
Dutton behind in Dickson… close
Yep…
all that potato hate sheesh what are you all, French or something
“Teal” is my word du jour.
Again.
As the results roll in I’m increasingly confident that the Coalition cannot win majority government.
dv said:
As the results roll in I’m increasingly confident that the Coalition cannot win majority government.
I am feeling more confident and less anxious.
I’m going to watch the footy for a while….
I rely on this thread to keep me updated.
dv said:
As the results roll in I’m increasingly confident that the Coalition cannot win majority government.
Yes, but if there is a few teal candidates getting up who will they support to form a government.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
As the results roll in I’m increasingly confident that the Coalition cannot win majority government.
I am feeling more confident and less anxious.
Goodo.
I can’t watch it ‘cos of the tension, so I’ll read and listen to music and peep in here now and then for updates.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
As the results roll in I’m increasingly confident that the Coalition cannot win majority government.
I am feeling more confident and less anxious.
I’m a touch nervous sorry. I want good news tomorrow when I wake up please.
Woodie said:
“Teal” is my word du jour.Again.
If this fellow was still alive he could have stood as a Teal.
Josh will be sweating in Kooyong. Level pegging with the independent with 13% counted.
sibeen said:
dv said:
As the results roll in I’m increasingly confident that the Coalition cannot win majority government.
Yes, but if there is a few teal candidates getting up who will they support to form a government.
Libs.
It’s in their blood/upbringing.
captain_spalding said:
sibeen said:
dv said:
As the results roll in I’m increasingly confident that the Coalition cannot win majority government.
Yes, but if there is a few teal candidates getting up who will they support to form a government.
Libs.
It’s in their blood/upbringing.
Not all of them I would imagine.
(I certainly wasn’t the last three times I ran. I put the LNP last on the HTV card every time)
AG does a little dance..
Have a drink
captain_spalding said:
sibeen said:
dv said:
As the results roll in I’m increasingly confident that the Coalition cannot win majority government.
Yes, but if there is a few teal candidates getting up who will they support to form a government.
Libs.
It’s in their blood/upbringing.
They might be more comfortable supporting ALP on supply bills but forcing a minority government. Like the 3 indies did when Gillard was OM. They have more power that way.
Spiny Norman said:
captain_spalding said:
sibeen said:Yes, but if there is a few teal candidates getting up who will they support to form a government.
Libs.
It’s in their blood/upbringing.
Not all of them I would imagine.
(I certainly wasn’t the last three times I ran. I put the LNP last on the HTV card every time)
It’s a different crop of independents these days.
buffy said:
Josh will be sweating in Kooyong. Level pegging with the independent with 13% counted.
His main rival looks to be a good option and I wish her the best of luck.
Dark Orange said:
buffy said:
Josh will be sweating in Kooyong. Level pegging with the independent with 13% counted.
His main rival looks to be a good option and I wish her the best of luck.
She’s a very intelligent woman, I’d say.
captain_spalding said:
Spiny Norman said:
captain_spalding said:Libs.
It’s in their blood/upbringing.
Not all of them I would imagine.
(I certainly wasn’t the last three times I ran. I put the LNP last on the HTV card every time)
It’s a different crop of independents these days.
and as much as the media and the libs label them as teal…there is some diversity in those independents.
L/NP 47
ALP 61
Other 5
37 seats left
sarahs mum said:
L/NP 47
ALP 61
Other 537 seats left
Other 6
sibeen said:
dv said:
As the results roll in I’m increasingly confident that the Coalition cannot win majority government.
Yes, but if there is a few teal candidates getting up who will they support to form a government.
Teal….. He said it again!!!!
Now look. No one is to stone anyone until I blow this whistle! Do you understand?! Even, and I want to make this absolutely clear, even if they do say ‘TEAL’.
Woodie said:
sibeen said:
dv said:
As the results roll in I’m increasingly confident that the Coalition cannot win majority government.
Yes, but if there is a few teal candidates getting up who will they support to form a government.
Teal….. He said it again!!!!
Now look. No one is to stone anyone until I blow this whistle! Do you understand?! Even, and I want to make this absolutely clear, even if they do say ‘TEAL’.
Nice one, centurion…
They keep saying teal seat and it sounds like T L C
AG does a little dance..
Have a drink
Bogsnorkler said:
AG does a little dance..
RIP A JOINT!
seems to be a common observation
Bogsnorkler said:
seems to be a common observation
I put Abetz last. Some things change. Some stay the same.
dv said:
They keep saying teal seat and it sounds like T L C
well don’t go chasing waterfalls
AG does a little dance
😁
SCIENCE said:
dv said:They keep saying teal seat and it sounds like T L C
well don’t go chasing waterfalls
Good one…
Antony’s declaring that the Coalition have been defeated, but we don’t know if anyone has won.
Certainly getting closer to opening up a real good bottle of red.
On the ABC live election, AG has stated “the coalition can’t win a majority government”.
And that’s a relief.
AG has a little fit
😜
buffy said:
I think last election I found a site where I could watch the counting numbers from individual electorates. Do any of you know of such a thing?
Is it this one?
sibeen said:
Certainly getting closer to opening up a real good bottle of red.
Go for it. Whatever happens there is much good news
AussieDJ said:
buffy said:
I think last election I found a site where I could watch the counting numbers from individual electorates. Do any of you know of such a thing?Is it this one?
No, but I did find the AFR site, which works quite well. I’m watching Wannon. But checking on others as it occurs to me.
https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/election/results-2022
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:
Certainly getting closer to opening up a real good bottle of red.
Go for it. Whatever happens there is much good news
Are Dutton and Frydenberg gone?
So … ALP need 6 of of the 25 seats in doubt?
Did we do this earlier?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-21/federal-election-campaign-quiz-2022/101080046
5/10. I started well and fell apart.
Tim Wilson’s been kicked out.
party_pants said:
So … ALP need 6 of of the 25 seats in doubt?
Don’t know, but majority Labor government is still in reach.
buffy said:
Did we do this earlier?https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-21/federal-election-campaign-quiz-2022/101080046
5/10. I started well and fell apart.
3/10
Huge swings to Labor in WA, well done people.
Bubblecar said:
Tim Wilson’s been kicked out.
That however, was not enough to convince me to give him support this time around.
Some Coalition person has just said “The wheel’s still turning but the hamster is dead”.
sibeen said:
buffy said:
Did we do this earlier?https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-21/federal-election-campaign-quiz-2022/101080046
5/10. I started well and fell apart.
3/10
5/10
AussieDJ said:
Bubblecar said:
Tim Wilson’s been kicked out.
His office (dunno if it was him, personally) did help me with a problem I had about 18 months ago. They pulled strings that I, as a private citizen, was getting no result from.That however, was not enough to convince me to give him support this time around.
Yeah. Too many people vote for the person, but they forget that they are really voting for the party. The individual MP’s can’t really do anything outside what the party dictates.
AussieDJ said:
Bubblecar said:
Tim Wilson’s been kicked out.
His office (dunno if it was him, personally) did help me with a problem I had about 18 months ago. They pulled strings that I, as a private citizen, was getting no result from.That however, was not enough to convince me to give him support this time around.
Well, all he did was his job.
buffy said:
AussieDJ said:
buffy said:
I think last election I found a site where I could watch the counting numbers from individual electorates. Do any of you know of such a thing?Is it this one?
No, but I did find the AFR site, which works quite well. I’m watching Wannon. But checking on others as it occurs to me.
https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/election/results-2022
So could you see your vote this election?
:)
Now increasingly looking like Labor majority.
Morrison’s sheer awfulness was enough to outweigh Lab running dead.
sibeen said:
buffy said:
AussieDJ said:Is it this one?
No, but I did find the AFR site, which works quite well. I’m watching Wannon. But checking on others as it occurs to me.
https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/election/results-2022
So could you see your vote this election?
:)
No, I got swamped by several thousand people copying me!
Looks like Antony has called it.
Ian said:
Now increasingly looking like Labor majority.Morrison’s sheer awfulness was enough to outweigh Lab running dead.
I believe the response to that is something about a cunning plan.
sibeen said:
Looks like Antony has called it.
Is Andrew Probyn looking sad?
buffy said:
Ian said:
Now increasingly looking like Labor majority.Morrison’s sheer awfulness was enough to outweigh Lab running dead.
I believe the response to that is something about a cunning plan.
Yes, Baldrick came through.
Ian said:
Now increasingly looking like Labor majority.
It’s not over until the generously proportioned person who menstruates issues forth a series of melodic noises…
Ooh look what has happened in Christian Porter’s former seat!
buffy said:
Ian said:
Now increasingly looking like Labor majority.Morrison’s sheer awfulness was enough to outweigh Lab running dead.
I believe the response to that is something about a cunning plan.
😁
party_pants said:
Ian said:
Now increasingly looking like Labor majority.It’s not over until the generously proportioned person who menstruates issues forth a series of melodic noises…
Hold on, are you saying a fat bloke cannot identify as a woman?
Shit eh.
WA shutting shit down.
buffy said:
Ooh look what has happened in Christian Porter’s former seat!
What happened?
Ken Wyatt is gone. He was one of the good ones.
dv said:
Shit eh.
WA shutting shit down.
He came for our borders. Sided with Clive (fatso). Big mistake…
Fuck, it’s a WAsh.
sibeen said:
Ken Wyatt is gone. He was one of the good ones.
I’d agree on that one.
party_pants said:
buffy said:
Ooh look what has happened in Christian Porter’s former seat!What happened?
Looks like Labor has taken it.
dv said:
Shit eh.
WA shutting shit down.
Well done you distant folk.
furious said:
dv said:
Shit eh.
WA shutting shit down.
He came for our borders. Sided with Clive (fatso). Big mistake…
How’s team yellow going in WA?
(I put them dead last on my green HoR paper).
Tasmania, in comparison, has been disappointing. Brian Mitchell might lose Lyons.
buffy said:
sibeen said:
buffy said:No, but I did find the AFR site, which works quite well. I’m watching Wannon. But checking on others as it occurs to me.
https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/election/results-2022
So could you see your vote this election?
:)
No, I got swamped by several thousand people copying me!
Good link.
Looks like Lesser the Lib will hold Berowra, but with a healthy 6% swing to labor.
God knows what the libs do now. They’re lost a shedload from the moderate wing. Do the nutters double down or do they mellow out?
sibeen said:
God knows what the libs do now. They’re lost a shedload from the moderate wing. Do the nutters double down or do they mellow out?
Hopefully they have a good long holiday in the political wilderness, for a few generations.
Josh Frydenberg looks like he’s gone, with some doubt.
sibeen said:
God knows what the libs do now. They’re lost a shedload from the moderate wing. Do the nutters double down or do they mellow out?
The lib guy on the ABC was actually sounding quite reasonable.
Need to change.
Perhaps even bring in some liberalism.
sibeen said:
Josh Frydenberg looks like he’s gone, with some doubt.
Goodo.
party_pants said:
Ian said:
Now increasingly looking like Labor majority.It’s not over until the generously proportioned person who menstruates issues forth a series of melodic noises…
Not quite over just yet – (although I wish it was) – this is from a commenter on the ABC blog:
I’m a bit uncomfortable with so many seats being called already, when the pre-poll and postal votes were said to be nearly half of the total voting in many electorates. Especially for the seats that are running very close.
As the independent fellow is saying now, these Liberal “moderates” have been seen for the fakes they are.
It’s their voting record in Parliament that counts, not their cuddly noises on camera.
sibeen said:
God knows what the libs do now. They’re lost a shedload from the moderate wing. Do the nutters double down or do they mellow out?
Hard to say. If they go harder at the extremes they risk losing further support. Realistically Australian politics has always been around catching the centre, not the extremes.
With compulsory voting there is no untapped pool of voters to pitch too and get them to come out and vote when previously they didn’t.
sibeen said:
Josh Frydenberg looks like he’s gone, with some doubt.
‘We’d better all pray to our chosen gods.
sibeen said:
buffy said:
Ian said:
Now increasingly looking like Labor majority.Morrison’s sheer awfulness was enough to outweigh Lab running dead.
I believe the response to that is something about a cunning plan.
Yes, Baldrick came through.
It was a rotten borough.
Dam
Looking like Dutton might survive.
The Rev Dodgson said:
DamLooking like Dutton might survive.
Next leader of the libs then. They’re fucked.
Josh is looking a bit flat.
The Rev Dodgson said:
DamLooking like Dutton might survive.
At least he’ll be unable to cause more damage.
Josh Frydenburg is gunna have to turn up to his local Centrelink office on Monday morning, and face a system he created.
sibeen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
DamLooking like Dutton might survive.
Next leader of the libs then. They’re fucked.
Let’s hope so :)
Woodie said:
Josh Frydenburg is gunna have to turn up to his local Centrelink office on Monday morning, and face a system he created.
On his pension?!
buffy said:
Josh is looking a bit flat.
I think he’s coming across quite well.
buffy said:
Josh is looking a bit flat.
He says postal votes and pre-polling could change that result, so he’s not willing to call the seat just yet.
buffy said:
Josh is looking a bit flat.
Bit tipsy, I’d say…
AussieDJ said:
party_pants said:
Ian said:
Now increasingly looking like Labor majority.It’s not over until the generously proportioned person who menstruates issues forth a series of melodic noises…
Not quite over just yet – (although I wish it was) – this is from a commenter on the ABC blog:
I’m a bit uncomfortable with so many seats being called already, when the pre-poll and postal votes were said to be nearly half of the total voting in many electorates. Especially for the seats that are running very close.
Pre-polls are being counted now. It’s the ones that went postal that wait.
Been chatting with the older sister about the results so far.
Unfortunately she was unable to vote after all. The queues were too long, it was freezing and in her fragile state she had to give up.
She was thinking she might be able to go back later but was feeling too unwell.
furious said:
buffy said:
Josh is looking a bit flat.
Bit tipsy, I’d say…
Nah, it’s just sinking in that the entitlement is shaky.
buffy said:
furious said:
buffy said:
Josh is looking a bit flat.
Bit tipsy, I’d say…
Nah, it’s just sinking in that the entitlement is shaky.
And still he is spieling…
buffy said:
furious said:
buffy said:
Josh is looking a bit flat.
Bit tipsy, I’d say…
Nah, it’s just sinking in that the entitlement is shaky.
He’s smarmy and plastic enough to find some lucrative smarmy plastic position.
Bubblecar said:
Been chatting with the older sister about the results so far.Unfortunately she was unable to vote after all. The queues were too long, it was freezing and in her fragile state she had to give up.
She was thinking she might be able to go back later but was feeling too unwell.
She’s in Clark? I think all went well without her.
buffy said:
Woodie said:
Josh Frydenburg is gunna have to turn up to his local Centrelink office on Monday morning, and face a system he created.
On his pension?!
They’ll put him on the Indue card.
buffy said:
buffy said:
furious said:Bit tipsy, I’d say…
Nah, it’s just sinking in that the entitlement is shaky.
And still he is spieling…
I’ve had the sound down. Watched a whole 10 minute YouTube video on Ukraine war in the meantime.
buffy said:
furious said:
buffy said:
Josh is looking a bit flat.
Bit tipsy, I’d say…
Nah, it’s just sinking in that the entitlement is shaky.
JF.. I could have been a container.
Sob
Woodie said:
buffy said:
Woodie said:
Josh Frydenburg is gunna have to turn up to his local Centrelink office on Monday morning, and face a system he created.
On his pension?!
They’ll put him on the Indue card.
Thing is 20% of those salaries as cash is a lot of cash.
My Electorate is 67% ALP. This the seat that Slim Beazley only held by 500 votes back in the 1990s.
sarahs mum said:
Bubblecar said:
Been chatting with the older sister about the results so far.Unfortunately she was unable to vote after all. The queues were too long, it was freezing and in her fragile state she had to give up.
She was thinking she might be able to go back later but was feeling too unwell.
She’s in Clark? I think all went well without her.
Aye, Wilkie is well entrenched and she & husband always vote for him.
Bubblecar said:
buffy said:
furious said:Bit tipsy, I’d say…
Nah, it’s just sinking in that the entitlement is shaky.
He’s smarmy and plastic enough to find some lucrative smarmy plastic position.
Macquarie bank, I’d suspect. One thing I can say though, hey what but. It won’t be the CFMEU.
Swings to the Libs in Lyons, Bass, Braddon. Quite possible Lyons will be a gain for the Libs. I wonder what’s going on there.
rushes in
Is Car reading the forum or watching Kubrick?
Woodie said:
Bubblecar said:
buffy said:Nah, it’s just sinking in that the entitlement is shaky.
He’s smarmy and plastic enough to find some lucrative smarmy plastic position.
Macquarie bank, I’d suspect. One thing I can say though, hey what but. It won’t be the CFMEU.
I see our dear (ex)leader is looking pretty safe, in spite of a healthy 6% swing to labor.
dv said:
Swings to the Libs in Lyons, Bass, Braddon. Quite possible Lyons will be a gain for the Libs. I wonder what’s going on there.
There was mud flung about Brian Mitchell’s social media gaffes which might have had some impact in Lyons.
Overall though it might reflect their satisfaction with the Liberal state government during these Covid years, whereas in WA the feds were increasingly seen as anti-WA.
Witty Rejoinder said:
rushes inIs Car reading the forum or watching Kubrick?
It’s a similar experience
Witty Rejoinder said:
rushes inIs Car reading the forum or watching Kubrick?
I’ve put that film on hold until I’m in the mood.
Still, a minority government would not be a bad thing if we had a group of sensible, sane, educated and reasonable independents holding the balance of power. So long as they act like a herd of cats rather than a cohesive voting bloc.
OK, I’m calling a Labor majority and going off to bed.
Night all.
Bubblecar said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
rushes inIs Car reading the forum or watching Kubrick?
I’ve put that film on hold until I’m in the mood.
Drugs helped, in the old days….so I’ve read.
Oh good, Dear Leader is on :)
OK……. Taking bets.
What times will Scomo and Mr Banese take to their respective stages?
And what will they say?
Will Scomo concede?
The Rev Dodgson said:
OK, I’m calling a Labor majority and going off to bed.Night all.
Yeah… they only need to fall over the line in 4 more seats.
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
Bubblecar said:
Been chatting with the older sister about the results so far.Unfortunately she was unable to vote after all. The queues were too long, it was freezing and in her fragile state she had to give up.
She was thinking she might be able to go back later but was feeling too unwell.
She’s in Clark? I think all went well without her.
Aye, Wilkie is well entrenched and she & husband always vote for him.
I wish i had a wilkie.
Woodie said:
OK……. Taking bets.What times will Scomo and Mr Banese take to their respective stages?
And what will they say?
Will Scomo concede?
I would be surprised in Morrison concedes tonight, and Albinese won’t declare victory until that happens.
Woodie said:
OK……. Taking bets.What times will Scomo and Mr Banese take to their respective stages?
And what will they say?
Will Scomo concede?
..wearing his big boy pants
Prices were reasonable at my local polling place. Son said they wanted $9 a sausage Sambo at his..,. Said he was wondering if he could raid his super to get one.
Labor’s still ahead in Lyons so might squeeze through.
Witty Rejoinder said:
:)
Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:
Prices were reasonable at my local polling place. Son said they wanted $9 a sausage Sambo at his..,. Said he was wondering if he could raid his super to get one.
$9 is ridiculous but your prices look appealing.
Did I just hear that correctly?
Scomo’s called Mr Banese to concede?
Bubblecar said:
Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:
Prices were reasonable at my local polling place. Son said they wanted $9 a sausage Sambo at his..,. Said he was wondering if he could raid his super to get one.
$9 is ridiculous but your prices look appealing.
On that note, it’s time to do myself a sausage sanger.
Woodie said:
Did I just hear that correctly?Scomo’s called Mr Banese to concede?
Yes :)
dv said:
Woodie said:
OK……. Taking bets.What times will Scomo and Mr Banese take to their respective stages?
And what will they say?
Will Scomo concede?
I would be surprised in Morrison concedes tonight, and Albinese won’t declare victory until that happens.
Would you like to rephrase that?
dv said:
Woodie said:
OK……. Taking bets.What times will Scomo and Mr Banese take to their respective stages?
And what will they say?
Will Scomo concede?
I would be surprised in Morrison concedes tonight, and Albinese won’t declare victory until that happens.
This didn’t age well :)
Woodie said:
Did I just hear that correctly?Scomo’s called Mr Banese to concede?
Aye lad.
ScoMo is at the podium….
sibeen said:
dv said:
Woodie said:
OK……. Taking bets.What times will Scomo and Mr Banese take to their respective stages?
And what will they say?
Will Scomo concede?
I would be surprised in Morrison concedes tonight, and Albinese won’t declare victory until that happens.
This didn’t age well :)
fucking New Zealanders and their
dv said:
Woodie said:
OK……. Taking bets.What times will Scomo and Mr Banese take to their respective stages?
And what will they say?
Will Scomo concede?
I would be surprised in Morrison concedes tonight, and Albinese won’t declare victory until that happens.
Well there you go what would I know
scomo’s kids look a bit like they are auditioning for some gothic role.
somber mood at PM HQ, apart from a few drunks.
He’s obviously practised this concession speech a few times :)
Barnaby didn’t get much of a cheer :/
sarahs mum said:
One in the eye for the old zombie.
He’s still droning on.
YOU’VE CONCEDED, NOW FUCK OFF
sibeen said:
dv said:
Woodie said:
OK……. Taking bets.What times will Scomo and Mr Banese take to their respective stages?
And what will they say?
Will Scomo concede?
I would be surprised in Morrison concedes tonight, and Albinese won’t declare victory until that happens.
This didn’t age well :)
Hah.
Looks like about a 2% polling error, which is kind of within the expect realm.
I wonder if you get free beer at these things.
And he’s resigned.
sarahs mum said:
Fuck Yes
now can we make it permanent
sibeen said:
I wonder if you get free beer at these things.
Bar tab at my ALP function. Which is nice when we actually win.
Bubblecar said:
He’s still droning on.YOU’VE CONCEDED, NOW FUCK OFF
Bob Ellis.. “Power flows to the most boring man in the room”
dv said:
Looks like about a 2% polling error, which is kind of within the expect realm.
always on about the negatives this one
Well Scomo says he’s not gunna be off to Centrelink on Monday morning, hey what but. Probably couldn’t stomach the thought, so decide to stay put.
Witty Rejoinder said:
sibeen said:
dv said:I would be surprised in Morrison concedes tonight, and Albinese won’t declare victory until that happens.
This didn’t age well :)
Hah.
I mentioned in the other thread things that I’m grateful for (see below).
You can add to that: I’m glad Morrison isn’t Trumpian. Conceded appropriately and sincerely, probably sooner than I would have.
Well the results are going to be rolling in soon. It’s likely to be a close one and it won’t be surprising if we don’t get an answer tonight. As Green says, if you don’t know by 7:30pm, you’re not going to know this evening.I’d like to express some gratitude for the fact that we live in a functional democracy. There are some great attributes of the Australian system that makes it responsive to popular will. The Coalition may well get over the line and if that happens, I’ll certainly be disappointed and frustration because it will mean further delays to emissions control and anticorruption mechanisms and other things that I’m in favour of, but at least I’ll know they won fairly. Australia is not like the US where political parties draw the boundaries and state legislatures effect disenfranchisement by putting ten times as many polling stations per capita in rich areas than poor areas, making people queue for six hours to do what should be easy. Australia is also not like the UK where first-past-the-post basically means the Tories can coast forever on 40%.
Even though I’d probably prefer something like the NZ or German style mixed member systems, the Australian system works and is neutrally administered.
Also, I’m glad that there are a lot of things that are politically under or over the radar in Australia. The Libs aren’t to my taste but they aren’t running Republican style antivax or conspiracy theory campaigns. I’m not fearful that 3 more years of the Coalition will lead to an irrevocable erosion of checks and balances or civil liberties. The big wheel will roll on and eventually things will work out.
But I do hope they lose and that good lessons are learned. If not, I’ll still be glad to be Australian.
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
Looks like about a 2% polling error, which is kind of within the expect realm.
always on about the negatives this one
That was a positive.
Kristina Keneally is out.
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
sibeen said:Hah.
I mentioned in the other thread things that I’m grateful for (see below).
You can add to that: I’m glad Morrison isn’t Trumpian. Conceded appropriately and sincerely, probably sooner than I would have.
Well the results are going to be rolling in soon. It’s likely to be a close one and it won’t be surprising if we don’t get an answer tonight. As Green says, if you don’t know by 7:30pm, you’re not going to know this evening.I’d like to express some gratitude for the fact that we live in a functional democracy. There are some great attributes of the Australian system that makes it responsive to popular will. The Coalition may well get over the line and if that happens, I’ll certainly be disappointed and frustration because it will mean further delays to emissions control and anticorruption mechanisms and other things that I’m in favour of, but at least I’ll know they won fairly. Australia is not like the US where political parties draw the boundaries and state legislatures effect disenfranchisement by putting ten times as many polling stations per capita in rich areas than poor areas, making people queue for six hours to do what should be easy. Australia is also not like the UK where first-past-the-post basically means the Tories can coast forever on 40%.
Even though I’d probably prefer something like the NZ or German style mixed member systems, the Australian system works and is neutrally administered.
Also, I’m glad that there are a lot of things that are politically under or over the radar in Australia. The Libs aren’t to my taste but they aren’t running Republican style antivax or conspiracy theory campaigns. I’m not fearful that 3 more years of the Coalition will lead to an irrevocable erosion of checks and balances or civil liberties. The big wheel will roll on and eventually things will work out.
But I do hope they lose and that good lessons are learned. If not, I’ll still be glad to be Australian.
Also, we don’t shoot women demonstrators!
Witty Rejoinder said:
Kristina Keneally is out.
So who won that seat?
It was probably Jenny’s idea…
So, what’s the go with the senate?
Bubblecar said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Kristina Keneally is out.
So who won that seat?
Well KK wasn’t in, so she can’t be out.
An independent won the seat.
furious said:
So, what’s the go with the senate?
We never know till mid next week…
Bubblecar said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Kristina Keneally is out.
So who won that seat?
the Left wing
sibeen said:
Bubblecar said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Kristina Keneally is out.
So who won that seat?
Well KK wasn’t in, so she can’t be out.
An independent won the seat.
Fair enough.
furious said:
So, what’s the go with the senate?
No one knows. Antony basically said, “fuck off, I haven’t had time to look at it, but it’s going to be a shitfight”.
party_pants said:
furious said:
So, what’s the go with the senate?
We never know till mid next week…
Thanks…
sibeen said:
furious said:
So, what’s the go with the senate?
No one knows. Antony basically said, “fuck off, I haven’t had time to look at it, but it’s going to be a shitfight”.
Fair enough…
sibeen said:
furious said:
So, what’s the go with the senate?
No one knows. Antony basically said, “fuck off, I haven’t had time to look at it, but it’s going to be a shitfight”.
The difference between the Greens HR vote and their Senate vote will be telling.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Kristina Keneally is out.
She was never in.
Bubblecar said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Kristina Keneally is out.
So who won that seat?
Teal…….
On no……. I said it again!
furious said:
So, what’s the go with the senate?
The what?
Woodie said:
Bubblecar said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Kristina Keneally is out.
So who won that seat?
Teal…….
On no……. I said it again!
Fuck you…I’m already tipsy.
Woodie said:
Bubblecar said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Kristina Keneally is out.
So who won that seat?
Teal…….
On no……. I said it again!
you must bring us… a shrubbery!
Woodie said:
furious said:
So, what’s the go with the senate?
The what?
Still what a weird electoral map, I’ll wait til the results are finalised to do a proper analysis but it really is all over the shop.
Looks like the final swing in WA will be over 10%, higher than projected. Several seats with 12 and 13% swings.
Qld on the other hand under performed for ALP compared to polling.
If ALP win in the seats where they are ahead right now, they’ll be at 76 seats so they are right on the bubble of majority government.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Kristina Keneally is out.
Ha
I’d better have a piss and then pour another beer before Albo comes on to make his long boring speech…
party_pants said:
I’d better have a piss and then pour another beer before Albo comes on to make his long boring speech…
They should be given a three minute time limit.
So how many of these new independents are women?
Is it just about all of them
Is Sky still on the air?
Ian said:
Is Sky still on the air?
I think they are running old Bugs Bunny cartoons.
party_pants said:
So how many of these new independents are women?Is it just about all of them
Seems like it…
AussieDJ said:
so will they Royal Commission like Rudd wanted now
furious said:
party_pants said:
So how many of these new independents are women?
Is it just about all of them
Seems like it…
remember when SA were one of the first places ever to suffrage
SCIENCE said:
furious said:
party_pants said:
So how many of these new independents are women?
Is it just about all of them
Seems like it…
remember when SA were one of the first places ever to suffrage
not really, I’m from WA,
Ian said:
Is Sky still on the air?
It’s fallen
Come on Albo, I’m already 1/3 the way through this glass….
SCIENCE said:
AussieDJ said:
so will they Royal Commission like Rudd wanted now
We could ask him, but you’d have to interrupt his ongoing concession speech.
sarahs mum said:
sarahs mum said:
:)
party_pants said:
Come on Albo, I’m already 1/3 the way through this glass….
I think I’ll take it as watched. I’ve already turned the telly off.
Ian said:
Is Sky still on the air?
I think they were already prepared, and had stuck their cyanide capsules under the desks. It took two to knock Peta Credlin out.
Fowler became a vacant slot when Hayes (ALP) announced his intention to retire. He and the local branch wanted local lawyer Tu Le to be the candidate for Fowler but this was overridden by Labor’s leadership who wanted it to be nice landing pad for Keneally’s transfer from the Senate even though she lives nowhere near the area. She has lost the seat (a safe seat that has been held by ALP ever since the seat was created 40 years ago) to another local, Dai Le. I think there are lessons here.
shit, the tide has gone out.. and now the ship has finally sailed in
dv said:
Fowler became a vacant slot when Hayes (ALP) announced his intention to retire. He and the local branch wanted local lawyer Tu Le to be the candidate for Fowler but this was overridden by Labor’s leadership who wanted it to be nice landing pad for Keneally’s transfer from the Senate even though she lives nowhere near the area. She has lost the seat (a safe seat that has been held by ALP ever since the seat was created 40 years ago) to another local, Dai Le. I think there are lessons here.
She should have changed her name to Kristina Keneal Le?
The venue would have been better if it was the Rooty Hill RSL.
The Labor crowd are well over-excited, there’ll be tears before bedtime.
Bubblecar said:
The Labor crowd are well over-excited, there’ll be tears before bedtime.
.. and vomiting on the way home in the taxi.
dv said:
Fowler became a vacant slot when Hayes (ALP) announced his intention to retire. He and the local branch wanted local lawyer Tu Le to be the candidate for Fowler but this was overridden by Labor’s leadership who wanted it to be nice landing pad for Keneally’s transfer from the Senate even though she lives nowhere near the area. She has lost the seat (a safe seat that has been held by ALP ever since the seat was created 40 years ago) to another local, Dai Le. I think there are lessons here.
I work in this electorate. I think every one of the people I work with who live local and I had spoken to about this said they were going to vote for Le because they didn’t like how Keneally was put in as the Labor candidate. Admittedly it was only a few. Le had more signs up too from what I could see driving about the place.
Bubblecar said:
The Labor crowd are well over-excited, there’ll be tears before bedtime.
Couple of well sozzled dickheads in the crowd.
party_pants said:
Bubblecar said:
The Labor crowd are well over-excited, there’ll be tears before bedtime.
.. and vomiting on the way home in the taxi.
Anyway good on him, and good on them, but I’ve had my fill of speeches for the evening.
A nice result and I’m content.
Wonder how PWM has taken it…
Bubblecar said:
party_pants said:
Bubblecar said:
The Labor crowd are well over-excited, there’ll be tears before bedtime.
.. and vomiting on the way home in the taxi.
Anyway good on him, and good on them, but I’ve had my fill of speeches for the evening.
A nice result and I’m content.
Wonder how PWM has taken it…
Bought a ticket to Dover, I heard…
furious said:
Bubblecar said:
party_pants said:.. and vomiting on the way home in the taxi.
Anyway good on him, and good on them, but I’ve had my fill of speeches for the evening.
A nice result and I’m content.
Wonder how PWM has taken it…
Bought a ticket to Dover, I heard…
Explodes relatives and…oh, hold on.
furious said:
party_pants said:
So how many of these new independents are women?Is it just about all of them
Seems like it…
Yes, 7 new independents are all women.
Dai Le
Zoe Daniel
Sophie Scamps
Kylea Tink
Monique Ryan
Allegra Spender
Kate Chaney
The new Green in Ryan is also female… indeed all but 2 of the new members are female.
Haines and Steggall remain as well.
dv said:
furious said:
party_pants said:
So how many of these new independents are women?Is it just about all of them
Seems like it…
Yes, 7 new independents are all women.
Dai Le
Zoe Daniel
Sophie Scamps
Kylea Tink
Monique Ryan
Allegra Spender
Kate ChaneyThe new Green in Ryan is also female… indeed all but 2 of the new members are female.
Haines and Steggall remain as well.
Goodo.
furious said:
dv said:
Fowler became a vacant slot when Hayes (ALP) announced his intention to retire. He and the local branch wanted local lawyer Tu Le to be the candidate for Fowler but this was overridden by Labor’s leadership who wanted it to be nice landing pad for Keneally’s transfer from the Senate even though she lives nowhere near the area. She has lost the seat (a safe seat that has been held by ALP ever since the seat was created 40 years ago) to another local, Dai Le. I think there are lessons here.
She should have changed her name to Kristina Keneal Le?
Rofl
dv said:
furious said:
party_pants said:
So how many of these new independents are women?Is it just about all of them
Seems like it…
Yes, 7 new independents are all women.
Dai Le
Zoe Daniel
Sophie Scamps
Kylea Tink
Monique Ryan
Allegra Spender
Kate ChaneyThe new Green in Ryan is also female… indeed all but 2 of the new members are female.
Haines and Steggall remain as well.
thankee, good sir.
what’s the Ularu Statement then?
party_pants said:
what’s the Ularu Statement then?
The ularu statement.
party_pants said:
what’s the Ularu Statement then?
https://ulurustatement.org/
party_pants said:
what’s the Ularu Statement then?
Add a voice to parliament, put something in the constitution, yada yada yada…
Woodie said:
Ian said:
Is Sky still on the air?I think they were already prepared, and had stuck their cyanide capsules under the desks. It took two to knock Peta Credlin out.
caused an evil suppressed chuckle that did
party_pants said:
what’s the Ularu Statement then?
ULURU STATEMENT FROM THE HEART
We, gathered at the 2017 National Constitutional Convention, coming from all points of the
southern sky, make this statement from the heart:
Our Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander tribes were the first sovereign Nations of the
Australian continent and its adjacent islands, and possessed it under our own laws and customs.
This our ancestors did, according to the reckoning of our culture, from the Creation, according
to the common law from ‘time immemorial’, and according to science more than 60,000 years
ago.
This sovereignty is a spiritual notion: the ancestral tie between the land, or ‘mother nature’,
and the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples who were born therefrom, remain
attached thereto, and must one day return thither to be united with our ancestors. This link is
the basis of the ownership of the soil, or better, of sovereignty. It has never been ceded or
extinguished, and co-exists with the sovereignty of the Crown.
How could it be otherwise? That peoples possessed a land for sixty millennia and this sacred
link disappears from world history in merely the last two hundred years?
With substantive constitutional change and structural reform, we believe this ancient
sovereignty can shine through as a fuller expression of Australia’s nationhood.
Proportionally, we are the most incarcerated people on the planet. We are not an innately
criminal people. Our children are aliened from their families at unprecedented rates. This
cannot be because we have no love for them. And our youth languish in detention in obscene
numbers. They should be our hope for the future.
These dimensions of our crisis tell plainly the structural nature of our problem. This is the
torment of our powerlessness.
We seek constitutional reforms to empower our people and take a rightful place in our own
country. When we have power over our destiny our children will flourish. They will walk in
two worlds and their culture will be a gift to their country.
We call for the establishment of a First Nations Voice enshrined in the Constitution.
Makarrata is the culmination of our agenda: the coming together after a struggle. It captures
our aspirations for a fair and truthful relationship with the people of Australia and a better
future for our children based on justice and self-determination.
We seek a Makarrata Commission to supervise a process of agreement-making between
governments and First Nations and truth-telling about our history.
In 1967 we were counted, in 2017 we seek to be heard. We leave base camp and start our trek
across this vast country. We invite you to walk with us in a movement of the Australian people
for a better future.
furious said:
party_pants said:
what’s the Ularu Statement then?
Add a voice to parliament, put something in the constitution, yada yada yada…
To actually give the first nations people a place in parliament to be a voice, yes.
party_pants said:
what’s the Ularu Statement then?
A motherhood statement.
transition said:
Woodie said:
Ian said:
Is Sky still on the air?I think they were already prepared, and had stuck their cyanide capsules under the desks. It took two to knock Peta Credlin out.
caused an evil suppressed chuckle that did
Oh dear. Cyanide capsules in the bunker all round?
dv said:
party_pants said:
what’s the Ularu Statement then?
ULURU STATEMENT FROM THE HEART
We, gathered at the 2017 National Constitutional Convention, coming from all points of the
southern sky, make this statement from the heart:
Our Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander tribes were the first sovereign Nations of the
Australian continent and its adjacent islands, and possessed it under our own laws and customs.
This our ancestors did, according to the reckoning of our culture, from the Creation, according
to the common law from ‘time immemorial’, and according to science more than 60,000 years
ago.
This sovereignty is a spiritual notion: the ancestral tie between the land, or ‘mother nature’,
and the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples who were born therefrom, remain
attached thereto, and must one day return thither to be united with our ancestors. This link is
the basis of the ownership of the soil, or better, of sovereignty. It has never been ceded or
extinguished, and co-exists with the sovereignty of the Crown.
How could it be otherwise? That peoples possessed a land for sixty millennia and this sacred
link disappears from world history in merely the last two hundred years?
With substantive constitutional change and structural reform, we believe this ancient
sovereignty can shine through as a fuller expression of Australia’s nationhood.
Proportionally, we are the most incarcerated people on the planet. We are not an innately
criminal people. Our children are aliened from their families at unprecedented rates. This
cannot be because we have no love for them. And our youth languish in detention in obscene
numbers. They should be our hope for the future.
These dimensions of our crisis tell plainly the structural nature of our problem. This is the
torment of our powerlessness.
We seek constitutional reforms to empower our people and take a rightful place in our own
country. When we have power over our destiny our children will flourish. They will walk in
two worlds and their culture will be a gift to their country.
We call for the establishment of a First Nations Voice enshrined in the Constitution.
Makarrata is the culmination of our agenda: the coming together after a struggle. It captures
our aspirations for a fair and truthful relationship with the people of Australia and a better
future for our children based on justice and self-determination.
We seek a Makarrata Commission to supervise a process of agreement-making between
governments and First Nations and truth-telling about our history.
In 1967 we were counted, in 2017 we seek to be heard. We leave base camp and start our trek
across this vast country. We invite you to walk with us in a movement of the Australian people
for a better future.
It’s a fine statement.
sibeen said:
party_pants said:
what’s the Ularu Statement then?
A motherhood statement.
I am strongly in favour of motherhood.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
party_pants said:
what’s the Ularu Statement then?
ULURU STATEMENT FROM THE HEART
We, gathered at the 2017 National Constitutional Convention, coming from all points of the
southern sky, make this statement from the heart:
Our Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander tribes were the first sovereign Nations of the
Australian continent and its adjacent islands, and possessed it under our own laws and customs.
This our ancestors did, according to the reckoning of our culture, from the Creation, according
to the common law from ‘time immemorial’, and according to science more than 60,000 years
ago.
This sovereignty is a spiritual notion: the ancestral tie between the land, or ‘mother nature’,
and the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples who were born therefrom, remain
attached thereto, and must one day return thither to be united with our ancestors. This link is
the basis of the ownership of the soil, or better, of sovereignty. It has never been ceded or
extinguished, and co-exists with the sovereignty of the Crown.
How could it be otherwise? That peoples possessed a land for sixty millennia and this sacred
link disappears from world history in merely the last two hundred years?
With substantive constitutional change and structural reform, we believe this ancient
sovereignty can shine through as a fuller expression of Australia’s nationhood.
Proportionally, we are the most incarcerated people on the planet. We are not an innately
criminal people. Our children are aliened from their families at unprecedented rates. This
cannot be because we have no love for them. And our youth languish in detention in obscene
numbers. They should be our hope for the future.
These dimensions of our crisis tell plainly the structural nature of our problem. This is the
torment of our powerlessness.
We seek constitutional reforms to empower our people and take a rightful place in our own
country. When we have power over our destiny our children will flourish. They will walk in
two worlds and their culture will be a gift to their country.
We call for the establishment of a First Nations Voice enshrined in the Constitution.
Makarrata is the culmination of our agenda: the coming together after a struggle. It captures
our aspirations for a fair and truthful relationship with the people of Australia and a better
future for our children based on justice and self-determination.
We seek a Makarrata Commission to supervise a process of agreement-making between
governments and First Nations and truth-telling about our history.
In 1967 we were counted, in 2017 we seek to be heard. We leave base camp and start our trek
across this vast country. We invite you to walk with us in a movement of the Australian people
for a better future.
It’s a fine statement.
Yet it wasn’t being listened to by those who had the abilty to empower it..
party_pants said:
sibeen said:
party_pants said:
what’s the Ularu Statement then?
A motherhood statement.
I am strongly in favour of motherhood.
None of us would be here without this.
Has Morrison indicated whether he will remain in parliament?
dv said:
Has Morrison indicated whether he will remain in parliament?
Yes, he’s staying.
I have one can left in the fridge.
I am here for another 20-30 minutes to answer any questions.
furious said:
So, what’s the go with the senate?
It typically takes about a month to get final senate results
dv said:
Has Morrison indicated whether he will remain in parliament?
Yes…
sibeen said:
dv said:
Has Morrison indicated whether he will remain in parliament?
Yes, he’s staying.
You didn’t see the dancing in the streets in the Shire?
dv said:
Has Morrison indicated whether he will remain in parliament?
Yes.
party_pants said:
I have one can left in the fridge.I am here for another 20-30 minutes to answer any questions.
So. We have just been promised a better future for ALL Australians.
Did you believe him?
Woodie said:
dv said:
Has Morrison indicated whether he will remain in parliament?
Yes.
He kept his seat and Josh lost his, which means he has to keep potato head in his.
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:
I have one can left in the fridge.I am here for another 20-30 minutes to answer any questions.
So. We have just been promised a better future for ALL Australians.
Did you believe him?
Seems an outrageous promise. Surely some Australians will step on lego pieces or burn their mouths on raisin toast that is too hot
party_pants said:
I have one can left in the fridge.I am here for another 20-30 minutes to answer any questions.
The question is this: Given that God is infinite, and that the universe is also infinite, would you like a toasted tea-cake?
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:
I have one can left in the fridge.I am here for another 20-30 minutes to answer any questions.
So. We have just been promised a better future for ALL Australians.
Did you believe him?
Short answer: no
Long answer: not really
Expanded answer: the outside world is fucked. The war in Ukraine, plus China’s failed war against Covid will crash the world economy into a wide-ranging recession. If we avoid it, it will be through protectionism and export controls.
dv said:
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:
I have one can left in the fridge.I am here for another 20-30 minutes to answer any questions.
So. We have just been promised a better future for ALL Australians.
Did you believe him?
Seems an outrageous promise. Surely some Australians will step on lego pieces or burn their mouths on raisin toast that is too hot
It may well be the first broken promise?
furious said:
party_pants said:
I have one can left in the fridge.I am here for another 20-30 minutes to answer any questions.
The question is this: Given that God is infinite, and that the universe is also infinite, would you like a toasted tea-cake?
I’ve heard right here on this forum that Jesus loved chocolate better than being nailed on the cross.
furious said:
party_pants said:
I have one can left in the fridge.I am here for another 20-30 minutes to answer any questions.
The question is this: Given that God is infinite, and that the universe is also infinite, would you like a toasted tea-cake?
oh shut up.
No more bread-related questions!
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:
I have one can left in the fridge.I am here for another 20-30 minutes to answer any questions.
So. We have just been promised a better future for ALL Australians.
Did you believe him?
Short answer: no
Long answer: not reallyExpanded answer: the outside world is fucked. The war in Ukraine, plus China’s failed war against Covid will crash the world economy into a wide-ranging recession. If we avoid it, it will be through protectionism and export controls.
Back in my old man’s day, they called this the lucky country. I always took it that this was because we all still had some room between each other.
party_pants said:
furious said:
party_pants said:
I have one can left in the fridge.I am here for another 20-30 minutes to answer any questions.
The question is this: Given that God is infinite, and that the universe is also infinite, would you like a toasted tea-cake?
oh shut up.
No more bread-related questions!
If bread is the staff of life
Then the life of the staff is a loaf.
roughbarked said:
furious said:
party_pants said:
I have one can left in the fridge.I am here for another 20-30 minutes to answer any questions.
The question is this: Given that God is infinite, and that the universe is also infinite, would you like a toasted tea-cake?
I’ve heard right here on this forum that Jesus loved chocolate better than being nailed on the cross.
It’s sad to think that Jesus never ate chocolate, which was of course unknown in the Old World until the 16th century
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:
I have one can left in the fridge.
I am here for another 20-30 minutes to answer any questions.
So. We have just been promised a better future for ALL Australians.
Did you believe him?
it’ll always be better than one under Corruption you can count on that
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:
I have one can left in the fridge.I am here for another 20-30 minutes to answer any questions.
So. We have just been promised a better future for ALL Australians.
Did you believe him?
Short answer: no
Long answer: not reallyExpanded answer: the outside world is fucked. The war in Ukraine, plus China’s failed war against Covid will crash the world economy into a wide-ranging recession. If we avoid it, it will be through protectionism and export controls.
Last night I was looking up our shale oil resources. I knew we had a shitload, one brother was involved in exploration for a few years, but I wanted to check. I suspect that the green dream of shutting down oil and gas is completely unachievable so the next few years of government may be fun.
sibeen said:
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:So. We have just been promised a better future for ALL Australians.
Did you believe him?
Short answer: no
Long answer: not reallyExpanded answer: the outside world is fucked. The war in Ukraine, plus China’s failed war against Covid will crash the world economy into a wide-ranging recession. If we avoid it, it will be through protectionism and export controls.
Last night I was looking up our shale oil resources. I knew we had a shitload, one brother was involved in exploration for a few years, but I wanted to check. I suspect that the green dream of shutting down oil and gas is completely unachievable so the next few years of government may be fun.
Yeah.
But at least we’re not as fucked as Germany.
party_pants said:
sibeen said:
party_pants said:Short answer: no
Long answer: not reallyExpanded answer: the outside world is fucked. The war in Ukraine, plus China’s failed war against Covid will crash the world economy into a wide-ranging recession. If we avoid it, it will be through protectionism and export controls.
Last night I was looking up our shale oil resources. I knew we had a shitload, one brother was involved in exploration for a few years, but I wanted to check. I suspect that the green dream of shutting down oil and gas is completely unachievable so the next few years of government may be fun.
Yeah.
But at least we’re not as fucked as Germany.
Fuck no. Energy wise we should be fine. Food wise we should be fine. If you have a sandbox (WA) and access to enough energy, and dirty, polluting oils, you can feed everyone – thank you Mr Haber.
sibeen said:
party_pants said:
sibeen said:Last night I was looking up our shale oil resources. I knew we had a shitload, one brother was involved in exploration for a few years, but I wanted to check. I suspect that the green dream of shutting down oil and gas is completely unachievable so the next few years of government may be fun.
Yeah.
But at least we’re not as fucked as Germany.
Fuck no. Energy wise we should be fine. Food wise we should be fine. If you have a sandbox (WA) and access to enough energy, and dirty, polluting oils, you can feed everyone – thank you Mr Haber.
In the new world order, food security and energy security are the key to national survival. We should be OK.
dv said:
NFI
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:
I have one can left in the fridge.I am here for another 20-30 minutes to answer any questions.
So. We have just been promised a better future for ALL Australians.
Did you believe him?
Short answer: no
Long answer: not reallyExpanded answer: the outside world is fucked. The war in Ukraine, plus China’s failed war against Covid will crash the world economy into a wide-ranging recession. If we avoid it, it will be through protectionism and export controls.
Seems a tad pessimistic. Just sayin’…
Witty Rejoinder said:
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:So. We have just been promised a better future for ALL Australians.
Did you believe him?
Short answer: no
Long answer: not reallyExpanded answer: the outside world is fucked. The war in Ukraine, plus China’s failed war against Covid will crash the world economy into a wide-ranging recession. If we avoid it, it will be through protectionism and export controls.
Seems a tad pessimistic. Just sayin’…
looked like optimism to us, easy solutions really, (1) if only Russia were welcomed with songs and flowers, and (2) we helped CHINA end COVID-19 then all would be well
Witty Rejoinder said:
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:So. We have just been promised a better future for ALL Australians.
Did you believe him?
Short answer: no
Long answer: not reallyExpanded answer: the outside world is fucked. The war in Ukraine, plus China’s failed war against Covid will crash the world economy into a wide-ranging recession. If we avoid it, it will be through protectionism and export controls.
Seems a tad pessimistic. Just sayin’…
Hope for the best, plan for the worst.. etc.
Russia and Ukraine are big wheat exporters (and sunflower oil, and corn). With the war they are going to struggle to plant and harvest this year. China is the world’s biggest wheat producer (mostly for domestic consumption) but their Covid lockdowns are preventing farmers working their own field. India is the second largest, also for domestic consumption, and they are suffering drought and expect a lower than normal harvest. So the two largest consumers of wheat are facing a domestic shortage and turning to the international market, just as two of the top 5 exporters are off the market.
Don’t mention fertilisers, natural gas and oil…. same situation. Russia are huge exporters, but re under boycotts.
party_pants said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
party_pants said:Short answer: no
Long answer: not reallyExpanded answer: the outside world is fucked. The war in Ukraine, plus China’s failed war against Covid will crash the world economy into a wide-ranging recession. If we avoid it, it will be through protectionism and export controls.
Seems a tad pessimistic. Just sayin’…
Hope for the best, plan for the worst.. etc.
Russia and Ukraine are big wheat exporters (and sunflower oil, and corn). With the war they are going to struggle to plant and harvest this year. China is the world’s biggest wheat producer (mostly for domestic consumption) but their Covid lockdowns are preventing farmers working their own field. India is the second largest, also for domestic consumption, and they are suffering drought and expect a lower than normal harvest. So the two largest consumers of wheat are facing a domestic shortage and turning to the international market, just as two of the top 5 exporters are off the market.
Don’t mention fertilisers, natural gas and oil…. same situation. Russia are huge exporters, but re under boycotts.
…… and beluga caviar…… Don’t forget the beluga.
dv said:
roughbarked said:
furious said:The question is this: Given that God is infinite, and that the universe is also infinite, would you like a toasted tea-cake?
I’ve heard right here on this forum that Jesus loved chocolate better than being nailed on the cross.
It’s sad to think that Jesus never ate chocolate, which was of course unknown in the Old World until the 16th century
Can’t remember who posted the meme unless I do a PF and get lost looking for things. It was aliens meet the pope one.
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:
I have one can left in the fridge.
I am here for another 20-30 minutes to answer any questions.
So. We have just been promised a better future for ALL Australians.
Did you believe him?
it’ll always be better than one under Corruption you can count on that
Of this I have no worries. I simply asked the question to see the reactions.
sibeen said:
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:So. We have just been promised a better future for ALL Australians.
Did you believe him?
Short answer: no
Long answer: not reallyExpanded answer: the outside world is fucked. The war in Ukraine, plus China’s failed war against Covid will crash the world economy into a wide-ranging recession. If we avoid it, it will be through protectionism and export controls.
Last night I was looking up our shale oil resources. I knew we had a shitload, one brother was involved in exploration for a few years, but I wanted to check. I suspect that the green dream of shutting down oil and gas is completely unachievable so the next few years of government may be fun.
As it will be until we find equitable ways to share earth’s resources without killing off all life on this mad rock in space.
sibeen said:
dv said:
NFI
the tip is from blue to red.
sibeen said:
dv said:
NFI
Albo as PM is a lot more attractive than merely Albo as an MP.
roughbarked said:
sibeen said:
dv said:
NFI
the tip is from blue to red.
Albo MP to Albo PM????
Witty Rejoinder said:
sibeen said:
dv said:
NFI
Albo as PM is a lot more attractive than merely Albo as an MP.
as I said
As an MP he was more blue. As a PM, he’s clearly RED.
roughbarked said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
sibeen said:NFI
Albo as PM is a lot more attractive than merely Albo as an MP.
as I said
As an MP he was more blue. As a PM, he’s clearly RED.
or should I have said, she?
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Albo as PM is a lot more attractive than merely Albo as an MP.
as I said
As an MP he was more blue. As a PM, he’s clearly RED.
or should I have said, she?
https://tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/posts/1886459/
maybe I should have said tit instead of tip?
roughbarked said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
sibeen said:NFI
Albo as PM is a lot more attractive than merely Albo as an MP.
as I said
As an MP he was more blue. As a PM, he’s clearly RED.
I may be wrong but I don’t think the shirt colour is that significant.
Witty Rejoinder said:
roughbarked said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Albo as PM is a lot more attractive than merely Albo as an MP.
as I said
As an MP he was more blue. As a PM, he’s clearly RED.
I may be wrong but I don’t think the shirt colour is that significant.
Subleties are not your forté?
roughbarked said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
roughbarked said:as I said
As an MP he was more blue. As a PM, he’s clearly RED.
I may be wrong but I don’t think the shirt colour is that significant.
Subleties are not your forté?
fuck I hate that.. Subtleties
roughbarked said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
roughbarked said:as I said
As an MP he was more blue. As a PM, he’s clearly RED.
I may be wrong but I don’t think the shirt colour is that significant.
Subleties are not your forté?
It’s a very common meme where the shirt-colours are not a factor.
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:
Witty Rejoinder said:I may be wrong but I don’t think the shirt colour is that significant.
Subleties are not your forté?
fuck I hate that.. Subtleties
Anyway, I sense a change in the man. For so long he’s done the job without changing shirts but now he can put on that red shirt and attempt to rule like a true socialist.
and by the way, it wasn’t about the shirt or the tits within it. It was about colour.
Witty Rejoinder said:
roughbarked said:
Witty Rejoinder said:I may be wrong but I don’t think the shirt colour is that significant.
Subleties are not your forté?
It’s a very common meme where the shirt-colours are not a factor.
DYTIGAFAMemes?
roughbarked said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
roughbarked said:Subleties are not your forté?
It’s a very common meme where the shirt-colours are not a factor.
DYTIGAFAMemes?
or to put it as one other did, DILLIGAF.
roughbarked said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
roughbarked said:Subleties are not your forté?
It’s a very common meme where the shirt-colours are not a factor.
DYTIGAFAMemes?
Are you drunk?
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:
I have one can left in the fridge.I am here for another 20-30 minutes to answer any questions.
So. We have just been promised a better future for ALL Australians.
Did you believe him?
Short answer: no
Long answer: not reallyExpanded answer: the outside world is fucked. The war in Ukraine, plus China’s failed war against Covid will crash the world economy into a wide-ranging recession. If we avoid it, it will be through protectionism and export controls.
I think the angle on china a bit rude re that
the rest of the world is still collecting the data (even generating it arguably) about the true health and economic costs of covid, wild covid toward herd immunity – easy covid – the way they get the data is by more infections, take long covid for example, more to generalize meaning sequelae, and amplified or accelerated morbidites, the potential stupid, and arguably evident existing stupid of focusing on deaths that distracts from that, the stuff between optimal living and dead that gets neglected
china’s contribution to covid evolution, and export of it (ignoring the initial spread from china) has been negligible
there is also a broader dimension to relaxed disease internationalization (if you will), the global challenges that causes, or may cause
I think it a western fantasy of some to democratize countries with disease, it’s like some people have a covid bomb (disease bombs) they’d like to drop on, china in this example, I don’t much like it, looks dodgy to me, doesn’t seem very civilized
keep in mind there is no impressively effective vaccine for covid presently, certainly not the evolved covid, the ideological apparatus doesn’t tell you that, doesn’t remind you of the importance of that
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
I may be wrong but I don’t think the shirt colour is that significant.
Subleties are not your forté?
fuck I hate that.. Subtleties
subtitles
Witty Rejoinder said:
roughbarked said:
Witty Rejoinder said:It’s a very common meme where the shirt-colours are not a factor.
DYTIGAFAMemes?
Are you drunk?
Not yet. I started after my guest went home.
transition said:
(ignoring the initial spread from china)
YOU COMMUNIST
YOU CCP SHILL
Witty Rejoinder said:
roughbarked said:
Witty Rejoinder said:It’s a very common meme where the shirt-colours are not a factor.
DYTIGAFAMemes?
Are you drunk?
Of course.
Oh, shit, that wasn’t for me…bugger.
transition said:
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:So. We have just been promised a better future for ALL Australians.
Did you believe him?
Short answer: no
Long answer: not reallyExpanded answer: the outside world is fucked. The war in Ukraine, plus China’s failed war against Covid will crash the world economy into a wide-ranging recession. If we avoid it, it will be through protectionism and export controls.
I think the angle on china a bit rude re that
the rest of the world is still collecting the data (even generating it arguably) about the true health and economic costs of covid, wild covid toward herd immunity – easy covid – the way they get the data is by more infections, take long covid for example, more to generalize meaning sequelae, and amplified or accelerated morbidites, the potential stupid, and arguably evident existing stupid of focusing on deaths that distracts from that, the stuff between optimal living and dead that gets neglected
china’s contribution to covid evolution, and export of it (ignoring the initial spread from china) has been negligible
there is also a broader dimension to relaxed disease internationalization (if you will), the global challenges that causes, or may cause
I think it a western fantasy of some to democratize countries with disease, it’s like some people have a covid bomb (disease bombs) they’d like to drop on, china in this example, I don’t much like it, looks dodgy to me, doesn’t seem very civilized
keep in mind there is no impressively effective vaccine for covid presently, certainly not the evolved covid, the ideological apparatus doesn’t tell you that, doesn’t remind you of the importance of that
The world will do what it does and the only power we have is similar to Putin’s gambit, withhold or damage the world’s major supplies of energy and food.
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:
Subleties are not your forté?
fuck I hate that.. Subtleties
subtitles
not
roughbarked said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
roughbarked said:DYTIGAFAMemes?
Are you drunk?
Not yet. I started after my guest went home.
Anyway, it was a subtle shift of hue. Nothing to do woth shirts or their colours if this is the game you want to play.
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Are you drunk?
Not yet. I started after my guest went home.
Anyway, it was a subtle shift of hue. Nothing to do woth shirts or their colours if this is the game you want to play.
Riiiiight…
roughbarked said:
transition said:
party_pants said:Short answer: no
Long answer: not reallyExpanded answer: the outside world is fucked. The war in Ukraine, plus China’s failed war against Covid will crash the world economy into a wide-ranging recession. If we avoid it, it will be through protectionism and export controls.
I think the angle on china a bit rude re that
the rest of the world is still collecting the data (even generating it arguably) about the true health and economic costs of covid, wild covid toward herd immunity – easy covid – the way they get the data is by more infections, take long covid for example, more to generalize meaning sequelae, and amplified or accelerated morbidites, the potential stupid, and arguably evident existing stupid of focusing on deaths that distracts from that, the stuff between optimal living and dead that gets neglected
china’s contribution to covid evolution, and export of it (ignoring the initial spread from china) has been negligible
there is also a broader dimension to relaxed disease internationalization (if you will), the global challenges that causes, or may cause
I think it a western fantasy of some to democratize countries with disease, it’s like some people have a covid bomb (disease bombs) they’d like to drop on, china in this example, I don’t much like it, looks dodgy to me, doesn’t seem very civilized
keep in mind there is no impressively effective vaccine for covid presently, certainly not the evolved covid, the ideological apparatus doesn’t tell you that, doesn’t remind you of the importance of that
The world will do what it does and the only power we (seem to) have is similar to Putin’s gambit, withhold or damage the world’s major supplies of energy and food.
Though there is another way. Too long avoided walking along.
Witty Rejoinder said:
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:Not yet. I started after my guest went home.
Anyway, it was a subtle shift of hue. Nothing to do woth shirts or their colours if this is the game you want to play.
Riiiiight…
You know you don’t have to listen…
Anyway, this has come to light.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-22/tokyo-protests-to-beijing-over-east-china-sea-construction/101088556
Let us see how Albo handles this.
see it’sn’t just us
google it mate
i mean
like
i am sick
if you want to know why people are turning off politics it’s because
what happens when you have a
an election that increasingly becomes this basic fact-checking exercise
between a government that deserves to be turfed out
and an opposition that’s got no vision
this is what happens
like
elections should be about a contest of ideas
politics should be about reaching for the stars
and offering a better society
and instead
there’s these questions that are asked about
can you tell us this particular stat or can you tell us that particular stat
and those questions are designed
to show that politicians are somehow out of touch and not representative of everyday people
well
newsflash
most of the people in canberra are on six figure salaries
just passing time until they go out and work for their coal and gas corporations
and get a six or seven figure lobbying job
do you know what would be a better way of showing that politicians are in touch with the need of everyday people
it would be passing laws that lift the minimum wage
it would be making dental and mental into medicare
it would be making sure that we wipe student debt and build affordable houses
and when you’ve got wages growing at about two and a half
and inflation growing at about three and a half percent
that is part of the problem
and
i would hope that at this election we can lift the standard
and turn it into
a genuine contest of ideas
SCIENCE said:
see it’sn’t just us
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:see it’sn’t just us
I don’t want anybody else, so when I think about you ICAC myself.
Although I am not believing much about the Senate until the button is pressed in June, it does seem as though Jacqui Lambie Network has a new senator and that Eric Abetz is gone.
Ere I dozed the situation became a bit better for ALP, a bit worse for Coalition, according to the ABC’s system.
5 of the seats that they had already called for Libs have been moved back into the “in doubt” category, including Dickson, Dutton’s seat. ALP has won or is leading in 79 seats.
dv said:
Although I am not believing much about the Senate until the button is pressed in June, it does seem as though Jacqui Lambie Network has a new senator and that Eric Abetz is gone.
After all this time that evil bastard has gone.
dv said:
Ere I dozed the situation became a bit better for ALP, a bit worse for Coalition, according to the ABC’s system.5 of the seats that they had already called for Libs have been moved back into the “in doubt” category, including Dickson, Dutton’s seat. ALP has won or is leading in 79 seats.
Oh please please if there is a God ask him to take Dutton out.
Well THANK FUCK FOR THAT.
The professional vandals have rightly been booted out. The amateur vandals are now in power.
Seems Pauline is in peril in Qld
dv said:
Ere I dozed the situation became a bit better for ALP, a bit worse for Coalition, according to the ABC’s system.5 of the seats that they had already called for Libs have been moved back into the “in doubt” category, including Dickson, Dutton’s seat. ALP has won or is leading in 79 seats.
Good to see everyone had fun last night.
I’m not giving up hope of Dutton losing his seat until the last postal vote is counted.
I’m not a vindictive man but I am a little bit glad that Clive Palmer spent 100 million dollars for absolutely nothing.
And that the Murdoch press clearly backed a dud.
dv said:
I’m not a vindictive man but I am a little bit glad that Clive Palmer spent 100 million dollars for absolutely nothing.And that the Murdoch press clearly backed a dud.
They do have plenty to squander. This time they did just that.
dv said:
I’m not a vindictive man but I am a little bit glad that Clive Palmer spent 100 million dollars for absolutely nothing.And that the Murdoch press clearly backed a dud.
I suppose the Teal candidates have shown that money can indeed buy an election, but you have to be electable in the first place.
dv said:
Ere I dozed the situation became a bit better for ALP, a bit worse for Coalition, according to the ABC’s system.5 of the seats that they had already called for Libs have been moved back into the “in doubt” category, including Dickson, Dutton’s seat. ALP has won or is leading in 79 seats.
Where did you find those r esult s?
roughbarked said:
dv said:
Ere I dozed the situation became a bit better for ALP, a bit worse for Coalition, according to the ABC’s system.5 of the seats that they had already called for Libs have been moved back into the “in doubt” category, including Dickson, Dutton’s seat. ALP has won or is leading in 79 seats.
Where did you find those r esult s?
Live results tab on the ABC website
dv said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:
Ere I dozed the situation became a bit better for ALP, a bit worse for Coalition, according to the ABC’s system.5 of the seats that they had already called for Libs have been moved back into the “in doubt” category, including Dickson, Dutton’s seat. ALP has won or is leading in 79 seats.
Where did you find those r esult s?
Live results tab on the ABC website
?
Where’s the 79 seats for Labor?
dv said:
I’m not a vindictive man but I am a little bit glad that Clive Palmer spent 100 million dollars for absolutely nothing.And that the Murdoch press clearly backed a dud.
Palmer did achieve one of his aims – he pulled votes from those who really were tired of the L/NP, but who didn’t really want to vote Labor all that much. If he got some Senate seats, so much the better , but it was also about fragmenting the anti-L/NP vote.
Yes, i know he vilified Labor as much as the L/NP in his ads, but that was part of the marketing – ‘vote for us, we’re not either of them’. What he’d do with his votes, preferences, and seats he’s not so forthcoming about.
And the Teals helped fragment the anti-L/NP vote in much the same way. They may (or may not) be a ‘refreshing change in the Parliament (get used to it, you’ll be hearing that phrase a lot around the place), but they did pull votes away from Labor.
In my own electorate, we had two teal independents on the card, and while the ALP candidate might not have won anyway, it would have been a bigger and better shock for the L/NP in this seat without them and the UAP.
roughbarked said:
dv said:
roughbarked said:Where did you find those r esult s?
Live results tab on the ABC website
?Where’s the 79 seats for Labor?
I said “won OR leading”. Go to the Seats In Doubt tab. As well as the 72 that are done and dusted, Labor is leading in Deakin, Bennelong, Gilmore, Lingiari, Lyons, Macnamara, and Sturt.
How’s Sky TV taking the news?
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
I’m not a vindictive man but I am a little bit glad that Clive Palmer spent 100 million dollars for absolutely nothing.And that the Murdoch press clearly backed a dud.
Palmer did achieve one of his aims – he pulled votes from those who really were tired of the L/NP, but who didn’t really want to vote Labor all that much. If he got some Senate seats, so much the better , but it was also about fragmenting the anti-L/NP vote.
Yes, i know he vilified Labor as much as the L/NP in his ads, but that was part of the marketing – ‘vote for us, we’re not either of them’. What he’d do with his votes, preferences, and seats he’s not so forthcoming about.
And the Teals helped fragment the anti-L/NP vote in much the same way. They may (or may not) be a ‘refreshing change in the Parliament (get used to it, you’ll be hearing that phrase a lot around the place), but they did pull votes away from Labor.
In my own electorate, we had two teal independents on the card, and while the ALP candidate might not have won anyway, it would have been a bigger and better shock for the L/NP in this seat without them and the UAP.
You and I have very different ideas about UAP’s purpose. UAP directed preference to Liberal. UAP’s purpose was to send preferences of disgruntled voters back to Liberal to keep Labor out of office because he relies on the Coalition’s protection.
captain_spalding said:
How’s Sky TV taking the news?
At least they’ll be getting Speers back soon.
dv said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
I’m not a vindictive man but I am a little bit glad that Clive Palmer spent 100 million dollars for absolutely nothing.And that the Murdoch press clearly backed a dud.
Palmer did achieve one of his aims – he pulled votes from those who really were tired of the L/NP, but who didn’t really want to vote Labor all that much. If he got some Senate seats, so much the better , but it was also about fragmenting the anti-L/NP vote.
Yes, i know he vilified Labor as much as the L/NP in his ads, but that was part of the marketing – ‘vote for us, we’re not either of them’. What he’d do with his votes, preferences, and seats he’s not so forthcoming about.
And the Teals helped fragment the anti-L/NP vote in much the same way. They may (or may not) be a ‘refreshing change in the Parliament (get used to it, you’ll be hearing that phrase a lot around the place), but they did pull votes away from Labor.
In my own electorate, we had two teal independents on the card, and while the ALP candidate might not have won anyway, it would have been a bigger and better shock for the L/NP in this seat without them and the UAP.
You and I have very different ideas about UAP’s purpose. UAP directed preference to Liberal. UAP’s purpose was to send preferences of disgruntled voters back to Liberal to keep Labor out of office because he relies on the Coalition’s protection.
Actually, my ideas on that front are quite congruent with yours. Perhaps i just didn’t express it very well.
dv said:
Peter Dutton leads by 2,022 votes. Previously held by LNP with margin of 4.6%.
roughbarked said:
dv said:Live results tab on the ABC website
?Where’s the 79 seats for Labor?
I said “won OR leading”. Go to the Seats In Doubt tab. As well as the 72 that are done and dusted, Labor is leading in Deakin, Bennelong, Gilmore, Lingiari, Lyons, Macnamara, and Sturt.
dv said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
I’m not a vindictive man but I am a little bit glad that Clive Palmer spent 100 million dollars for absolutely nothing.And that the Murdoch press clearly backed a dud.
Palmer did achieve one of his aims – he pulled votes from those who really were tired of the L/NP, but who didn’t really want to vote Labor all that much. If he got some Senate seats, so much the better , but it was also about fragmenting the anti-L/NP vote.
Yes, i know he vilified Labor as much as the L/NP in his ads, but that was part of the marketing – ‘vote for us, we’re not either of them’. What he’d do with his votes, preferences, and seats he’s not so forthcoming about.
And the Teals helped fragment the anti-L/NP vote in much the same way. They may (or may not) be a ‘refreshing change in the Parliament (get used to it, you’ll be hearing that phrase a lot around the place), but they did pull votes away from Labor.
In my own electorate, we had two teal independents on the card, and while the ALP candidate might not have won anyway, it would have been a bigger and better shock for the L/NP in this seat without them and the UAP.
You and I have very different ideas about UAP’s purpose. UAP directed preference to Liberal. UAP’s purpose was to send preferences of disgruntled voters back to Liberal to keep Labor out of office because he relies on the Coalition’s protection.
I agree with you on that.
roughbarked said:
dv said:Peter Dutton leads by 2,022 votes. Previously held by LNP with margin of 4.6%.
roughbarked said:
?Where’s the 79 seats for Labor?
I said “won OR leading”. Go to the Seats In Doubt tab. As well as the 72 that are done and dusted, Labor is leading in Deakin, Bennelong, Gilmore, Lingiari, Lyons, Macnamara, and Sturt.
Yes I think Dutton will probably end up getting home in Dickson.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
captain_spalding said:Palmer did achieve one of his aims – he pulled votes from those who really were tired of the L/NP, but who didn’t really want to vote Labor all that much. If he got some Senate seats, so much the better , but it was also about fragmenting the anti-L/NP vote.
Yes, i know he vilified Labor as much as the L/NP in his ads, but that was part of the marketing – ‘vote for us, we’re not either of them’. What he’d do with his votes, preferences, and seats he’s not so forthcoming about.
And the Teals helped fragment the anti-L/NP vote in much the same way. They may (or may not) be a ‘refreshing change in the Parliament (get used to it, you’ll be hearing that phrase a lot around the place), but they did pull votes away from Labor.
In my own electorate, we had two teal independents on the card, and while the ALP candidate might not have won anyway, it would have been a bigger and better shock for the L/NP in this seat without them and the UAP.
You and I have very different ideas about UAP’s purpose. UAP directed preference to Liberal. UAP’s purpose was to send preferences of disgruntled voters back to Liberal to keep Labor out of office because he relies on the Coalition’s protection.
Actually, my ideas on that front are quite congruent with yours. Perhaps i just didn’t express it very well.
:)
dv said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:Peter Dutton leads by 2,022 votes. Previously held by LNP with margin of 4.6%.I said “won OR leading”. Go to the Seats In Doubt tab. As well as the 72 that are done and dusted, Labor is leading in Deakin, Bennelong, Gilmore, Lingiari, Lyons, Macnamara, and Sturt.
Yes I think Dutton will probably end up getting home in Dickson.
Sad but at least he’s been told that not everyone wanted to see him back.
dv said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:Peter Dutton leads by 2,022 votes. Previously held by LNP with margin of 4.6%.I said “won OR leading”. Go to the Seats In Doubt tab. As well as the 72 that are done and dusted, Labor is leading in Deakin, Bennelong, Gilmore, Lingiari, Lyons, Macnamara, and Sturt.
Yes I think Dutton will probably end up getting home in Dickson.
So right now as I type this, per the ABC website, ALP has won or is leading in 79 seats, Coalition has won or leading 56 seats, Greens have won or leading in 4 seats, and Independents won or leading in 12 seats. Some of those are pretty close though so I guess we’ll be waiting for final results.
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
You and I have very different ideas about UAP’s purpose. UAP directed preference to Liberal. UAP’s purpose was to send preferences of disgruntled voters back to Liberal to keep Labor out of office because he relies on the Coalition’s protection.
Actually, my ideas on that front are quite congruent with yours. Perhaps i just didn’t express it very well.
:)
similarly we too agree with the congruents
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:captain_spalding said:
Actually, my ideas on that front are quite congruent with yours. Perhaps i just didn’t express it very well.
:)
similarly we too agree with the congruents
are we in agreeance then?
dv said:
Murdoch press clearly backed a dud.
so how do we think they’re going to spin this fuck up in the coming days
like is there a sensible hope that this will cause their influence to wane more significantly
of course with the caution that NeoTrumpMusk is preparing to slide into the role
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said::)
similarly we too agree with the congruents
are we in agreeance then?
Seems like it.
Why aren’t we the government?
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
SCIENCE said:similarly we too agree with the congruents
are we in agreeance then?
Seems like it.
Why aren’t we the government?
The Pentaverate keeps us down
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
SCIENCE said:similarly we too agree with the congruents
are we in agreeance then?
Seems like it.
Why aren’t we the government?
we do quite like that word agreeance
but can’t have too much consensus in government or the fascists will accusé everyone of being à unitary single party totalitarian public autocracy state
dv said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:are we in agreeance then?
Seems like it.
Why aren’t we the government?
The Pentaverate keeps us down
Just done my own research on the Pentaverate.
I wonder how many people will think it’s a documentary.
Warringah was a blue ribbon seat for the Libs for a long time. In 2016 Tony Abbott got 52% of the primary vote and 62% of the 2PP. He was removed from office in 2019 with his primary vote dropping to 39%, losing to independent Zali Steggal. There was some speculation that this was a flash in the pan and that with Abbott gone the seat would revert to its proper place in the Liberal trophy cabinet. Liberal candidate Katherine Deves got 32% this election.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
captain_spalding said:Seems like it.
Why aren’t we the government?
The Pentaverate keeps us down
Just done my own research on the Pentaverate.
I wonder how many people will think it’s a documentary.
The movie is a smokescreen so people won’t believe in the real Pentaverate.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
captain_spalding said:
Seems like it.
Why aren’t we the government?
The Pentaverate keeps us down
Just done my own research on the Pentaverate.
I wonder how many people will think it’s a documentary.
¿ like the Yes, Prime Minister four stage strategy for COVID-19 management you mean ?
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
The Pentaverate keeps us down
Just done my own research on the Pentaverate.
I wonder how many people will think it’s a documentary.
The movie is a smokescreen so people won’t believe in the real Pentaverate.
but penta- usually means only half of 10, like
WOOHOO
That is all.
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Just done my own research on the Pentaverate.
I wonder how many people will think it’s a documentary.
The movie is a smokescreen so people won’t believe in the real Pentaverate.
but penta- usually means only half of 10, like
I’m afraid your reference there has me a little mystified.
dv said:
Warringah was a blue ribbon seat for the Libs for a long time. In 2016 Tony Abbott got 52% of the primary vote and 62% of the 2PP. He was removed from office in 2019 with his primary vote dropping to 39%, losing to independent Zali Steggal. There was some speculation that this was a flash in the pan and that with Abbott gone the seat would revert to its proper place in the Liberal trophy cabinet. Liberal candidate Katherine Deves got 32% this election.
Zali Steggal did what she said she would do and was rewarded for that with a second term.
Michael V said:
dv said:
Warringah was a blue ribbon seat for the Libs for a long time. In 2016 Tony Abbott got 52% of the primary vote and 62% of the 2PP. He was removed from office in 2019 with his primary vote dropping to 39%, losing to independent Zali Steggal. There was some speculation that this was a flash in the pan and that with Abbott gone the seat would revert to its proper place in the Liberal trophy cabinet. Liberal candidate Katherine Deves got 32% this election.
Zali Steggal did what she said she would do and was rewarded for that with a second term.
I think Ms. Deves deciding to be outspoken on the issues she really cares about probably helped as well.
ABC results are 6 hours behind the times.
I wonder when we get the next update.
The Rev Dodgson said:
ABC results are 6 hours behind the times.I wonder when we get the next update.
dv said:
Although I am not believing much about the Senate until the button is pressed in June, it does seem as though Jacqui Lambie Network has a new senator and that Eric Abetz is gone.
It’s good to hear that Erica Betts is likely gone.
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
The movie is a smokescreen so people won’t believe in the real Pentaverate.
but penta- usually means only half of 10, like
I’m afraid your reference there has me a little mystified.
wintato say,
Since the Black Plague in 1347, five men have been working to influence world events
so a real version could be viewed as something similar, like a “Business Council of Australia” set up by Corruption to advance their selected industry interests
but there are 10 on that board
The Rev Dodgson said:
ABC results are 6 hours behind the times.I wonder when we get the next update.
I mean surely scroots need to sleep as well. They are human beings.
From the ABC site:
“Scott Morrison’s prime ministership is over on the back of a female independent climate revolt. It’s the women, stupid.
The Liberal Party has been smashed by a sea of teal women.
Liberal Senator Simon Birmingham told the ABC that gender was “clearly a factor” in the election result. Former Liberal minister Julie Bishop said independents appealed to people who felt that the moderates within the Liberal Party were not being heard in a government that was led by “Scott Morrison and Barnaby Joyce”.”
Certainly the female vote was significant, but I don’t think it was everything.
I’m pretty sure that climate change was a factor.
Also whatever was driving the WA vote.
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
ABC results are 6 hours behind the times.
I wonder when we get the next update.
I mean surely scroots need to sleep as well. They are human beings.
shifts, uneasily
dv said:
Seems Pauline is in peril in Qld
Another Good Thing.
The Rev Dodgson said:
From the ABC site:
“Scott Morrison’s prime ministership is over on the back of a female independent climate revolt. It’s the women, stupid.
The Liberal Party has been smashed by a sea of teal women.
Liberal Senator Simon Birmingham told the ABC that gender was “clearly a factor” in the election result. Former Liberal minister Julie Bishop said independents appealed to people who felt that the moderates within the Liberal Party were not being heard in a government that was led by “Scott Morrison and Barnaby Joyce”.”
Certainly the female vote was significant, but I don’t think it was everything.
I’m pretty sure that climate change was a factor.
Also whatever was driving the WA vote.
you mean
Labor
¿
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
ABC results are 6 hours behind the times.I wonder when we get the next update.
I mean surely scroots need to sleep as well. They are human beings.
I don’t know.
You seem to manage OK.
dv said:
dv said:
roughbarked said:Peter Dutton leads by 2,022 votes. Previously held by LNP with margin of 4.6%.Yes I think Dutton will probably end up getting home in Dickson.
So right now as I type this, per the ABC website, ALP has won or is leading in 79 seats, Coalition has won or leading 56 seats, Greens have won or leading in 4 seats, and Independents won or leading in 12 seats. Some of those are pretty close though so I guess we’ll be waiting for final results.
Tamb has reminded me that Katter is not technically an independent so I should say ALP 79, Coalition 56, Greens 4, independents 11, KAP 1.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
ABC results are 6 hours behind the times.I wonder when we get the next update.
I mean surely scroots need to sleep as well. They are human beings.
I don’t know.
You seem to manage OK.
Starting from about … 1pm today I am going to be busy as a bee for a couple of weeks so I am going to have to resist the urge to get election updates every couple of minutes. We have the winner … the details will emerge soon enough.
dv said:
dv said:
dv said:Yes I think Dutton will probably end up getting home in Dickson.
So right now as I type this, per the ABC website, ALP has won or is leading in 79 seats, Coalition has won or leading 56 seats, Greens have won or leading in 4 seats, and Independents won or leading in 12 seats. Some of those are pretty close though so I guess we’ll be waiting for final results.
Tamb has reminded me that Katter is not technically an independent so I should say ALP 79, Coalition 56, Greens 4, independents 11, KAP 1.
SCIENCE said:
see it’sn’t just us
This will be A Good Thing.
And the Biloela family will finally get to go home to Bilo.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
ABC results are 6 hours behind the times.I wonder when we get the next update.
I mean surely scroots need to sleep as well. They are human beings.
I don’t know.
You seem to manage OK.
It’s not easy though.
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:see it’sn’t just us
Cant we have both?
Peak Warming Man said:
wont you concede even heroes have the right to dreamThe Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
I mean surely scroots need to sleep as well. They are human beings.
I don’t know.
You seem to manage OK.
It’s not easy though.
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:I mean surely scroots need to sleep as well. They are human beings.
I don’t know.
You seem to manage OK.
Starting from about … 1pm today I am going to be busy as a bee for a couple of weeks so I am going to have to resist the urge to get election updates every couple of minutes. We have the winner … the details will emerge soon enough.
Reminded me of:
Fergus Laing, he works so hard
As busy as a bee is
Fergus Laing has 17 friends
All as dull as he is
His 17 friends have 17 wives
All the perfect shape and size
They wag their tails and bat their eyes
Just like Lassie
Fergus Laing he builds and builds
Yet small is his erection
Fergus Laing has a fine head of hair
When the wind’s in the right direction
Hope whatever will be keeping you busy goes well anyway.
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
see it’sn’t just us
Cant we have both?
¿ how’d you guess what the reply was ?
https://twitter.com/DanceForCthulhu/status/1527993499135938561
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
I don’t know.
You seem to manage OK.
Starting from about … 1pm today I am going to be busy as a bee for a couple of weeks so I am going to have to resist the urge to get election updates every couple of minutes. We have the winner … the details will emerge soon enough.
Reminded me of:
Fergus Laing, he works so hard
As busy as a bee is
Fergus Laing has 17 friends
All as dull as he is
His 17 friends have 17 wives
All the perfect shape and size
They wag their tails and bat their eyes
Just like LassieFergus Laing he builds and builds
Yet small is his erection
Fergus Laing has a fine head of hair
When the wind’s in the right directionHope whatever will be keeping you busy goes well anyway.
if only the difference here were 7000000 as well that would have been icing
Coach: What is teal anyway?
Just a turquoise that lacks confidence.My previous electorate has done something extraordinary:
“Federal election 2022 live updates: Senior Liberal Simon Birmingham says ‘all of’ Coalition must accept climate science after election defeat”
I wonder if Simon is chasing the Libs top job.
Ian said:
Coach: What is teal anyway? Just a turquoise that lacks confidence.
You could call it duck egg blue but it is mostly green.
The Rev Dodgson said:
“Federal election 2022 live updates: Senior Liberal Simon Birmingham says ‘all of’ Coalition must accept climate science after election defeat”I wonder if Simon is chasing the Libs top job.
I wondered that last night and got told as a Senator he can’t.
roughbarked said:
Ian said:
Coach: What is teal anyway? Just a turquoise that lacks confidence.You could call it duck egg blue but it is mostly green.
Teal comes in a range of shades:
dv said:
dv said:
dv said:Yes I think Dutton will probably end up getting home in Dickson.
So right now as I type this, per the ABC website, ALP has won or is leading in 79 seats, Coalition has won or leading 56 seats, Greens have won or leading in 4 seats, and Independents won or leading in 12 seats. Some of those are pretty close though so I guess we’ll be waiting for final results.
Tamb has reminded me that Katter is not technically an independent so I should say ALP 79, Coalition 56, Greens 4, independents 11, KAP 1.
Oh and Sharkie is still Centre Alliance so that’s ALP 79 Coalition 56 Greens 4 KAP 1 CA 1 Independents 10.
I’m getting there.
buffy said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
“Federal election 2022 live updates: Senior Liberal Simon Birmingham says ‘all of’ Coalition must accept climate science after election defeat”I wonder if Simon is chasing the Libs top job.
I wondered that last night and got told as a Senator he can’t.
Pity.
The Rev Dodgson said:
From the ABC site:“Scott Morrison’s prime ministership is over on the back of a female independent climate revolt. It’s the women, stupid.
The Liberal Party has been smashed by a sea of teal women.
Liberal Senator Simon Birmingham told the ABC that gender was “clearly a factor” in the election result. Former Liberal minister Julie Bishop said independents appealed to people who felt that the moderates within the Liberal Party were not being heard in a government that was led by “Scott Morrison and Barnaby Joyce”.”
Certainly the female vote was significant, but I don’t think it was everything.
I’m pretty sure that climate change was a factor.
Also whatever was driving the WA vote.
loathing of Clive and the LNP who backed him, albeit for a while.
The Rev Dodgson said:
“Federal election 2022 live updates: Senior Liberal Simon Birmingham says ‘all of’ Coalition must accept climate science after election defeat”I wonder if Simon is chasing the Libs top job.
Yep.
Slippery as they come.
roughbarked said:
Ian said:
Coach: What is teal anyway? Just a turquoise that lacks confidence.You could call it duck egg blue but it is mostly green.
this is why us printers use the PMS book.
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
Ian said:
Coach: What is teal anyway? Just a turquoise that lacks confidence.You could call it duck egg blue but it is mostly green.
Teal comes in a range of shades:
see.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-22/federal-election-live-blog-labor-government-liberal-party/101088846#live-blog-post-1211521296
The Rev Dodgson said:
“Federal election 2022 live updates: Senior Liberal Simon Birmingham says ‘all of’ Coalition must accept climate science after election defeat”I wonder if Simon is chasing the Libs top job.
If The Potato loses Dickson, then that becomes likely.
The Rev Dodgson said:
I’m pretty sure that climate change was a factor.
Also whatever was driving the WA vote.
Never underestimate state parochialism. McGowan was hugely popular for his actions on Covid. Morrison was seen as being in opposition to that, or at least less than supportive. Then chuck in Clive Palmer’s attempt to bankrupt the state, overturn the travel bans, and then sue senior WA politicians for defamation. Clive in well on the nose over here. Morrison made the mistake of joining the travel ban case on Palmer’s side in trying to have it overturned.
Then throw in Christian Porter and all the misogyny stuff going on. I think that turned a lot of people off.
Michael V said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-22/federal-election-live-blog-labor-government-liberal-party/101088846#live-blog-post-1211521296
About time
Michael V said:
My previous electorate has done something extraordinary:
so all it took was you leaving
The Rev Dodgson said:
“Federal election 2022 live updates: Senior Liberal Simon Birmingham says ‘all of’ Coalition must accept climate science after election defeat”I wonder if Simon is chasing the Libs top job.
Trouble is, “all of” the Coalition now consists of the same number of Nats and a good deal fewer Libs.
When Tony Abbott invented a carbon tax to win an election in 2013 – an act of political bastardry that poisoned our politics for a decade – I doubt he understood the climate wars he ignited would recast the electoral map and engineer a new progressive consensus in Australia.
But that’s what happened. The events of Saturday night represent the most profound electoral realignment in Australian politics since the Liberals splintered to form the Democrats in the 1970s, conservative Catholics migrated from Labor to the Liberal party, and the environmental movement became the Greens and claimed a chunk of Labor’s vote.
The Liberal party has been routed in its metropolitan heartland. Abbott and Scott Morrison have emptied the broad church.
Michael V said:
dv said:
Although I am not believing much about the Senate until the button is pressed in June, it does seem as though Jacqui Lambie Network has a new senator and that Eric Abetz is gone.
It’s good to hear that Erica Betts is likely gone.
yes. yay.
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
My previous electorate has done something extraordinary:
so all it took was you leaving
Perhaps I should move from Wide Bay, too?
This boofhead only managed to score 7.6 per cent of votes in his seat and is now looking for a job as a clown.
Bubblecar said:
This boofhead only managed to score 7.6 per cent of votes in his seat and is now looking for a job as a clown.
Will that be a difficult transition from his most recent role as a puppet?
Bubblecar said:
This boofhead only managed to score 7.6 per cent of votes in his seat and is now looking for a job as a clown.
There may be a vacancy a call centre somewhere.
Bubblecar said:
This boofhead only managed to score 7.6 per cent of votes in his seat and is now looking for a job as a clown.
He can shut up and piss orf.
captain_spalding said:
Bubblecar said:
This boofhead only managed to score 7.6 per cent of votes in his seat and is now looking for a job as a clown.
Will that be a difficult transition from his most recent role as a muppet?
there, i fixed it. ima fixer.
Bubblecar said:
This boofhead only managed to score 7.6 per cent of votes in his seat and is now looking for a job as a clown.
who ist?
party_pants said:
Bubblecar said:
This boofhead only managed to score 7.6 per cent of votes in his seat and is now looking for a job as a clown.
who ist?
Craig ‘ I’m Such A Dick That Nobody Else Would Have Me’ Kelly.
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:
Bubblecar said:
This boofhead only managed to score 7.6 per cent of votes in his seat and is now looking for a job as a clown.
who ist?
Craig ‘ I’m Such A Dick That Nobody Else Would Have Me’ Kelly.
Good-o. Glad to see him out the door.
HOw did the one nation vote go in the end ?
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:who ist?
Craig ‘ I’m Such A Dick That Nobody Else Would Have Me’ Kelly.
Good-o. Glad to see him out the door.
It’ll be a pitiable sight: Craig knocking on Clive’s door, asking what he should do next, and Clive telling ‘security’ to get this derro off his doorstep, he has no idea who he is.
sarahs mum said:
HOw did the one nation vote go in the end ?
“One Nation leader Pauline Hanson on course to lose Senate seat as count goes on
One Nation leader Pauline Hanson is expected to miss out on a Senate seat, as early counting of votes places the Greens ahead of her party.”
:)
The Rev Dodgson said:
sarahs mum said:
HOw did the one nation vote go in the end ?“One Nation leader Pauline Hanson on course to lose Senate seat as count goes on
One Nation leader Pauline Hanson is expected to miss out on a Senate seat, as early counting of votes places the Greens ahead of her party.”:)
It just gets better, doesn’t it?
The Rev Dodgson said:
sarahs mum said:
HOw did the one nation vote go in the end ?“One Nation leader Pauline Hanson on course to lose Senate seat as count goes on
One Nation leader Pauline Hanson is expected to miss out on a Senate seat, as early counting of votes places the Greens ahead of her party.”:)
That’s another bit of nice news :)
The Rev Dodgson said:
sarahs mum said:
HOw did the one nation vote go in the end ?“One Nation leader Pauline Hanson on course to lose Senate seat as count goes on
One Nation leader Pauline Hanson is expected to miss out on a Senate seat, as early counting of votes places the Greens ahead of her party.”:)
hallelujah
Bubblecar said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
sarahs mum said:
HOw did the one nation vote go in the end ?“One Nation leader Pauline Hanson on course to lose Senate seat as count goes on
One Nation leader Pauline Hanson is expected to miss out on a Senate seat, as early counting of votes places the Greens ahead of her party.”:)
That’s another bit of nice news :)
Plus Gladys has gone.
Ian said:
that’s quite good
Bogsnorkler said:
Bubblecar said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
“One Nation leader Pauline Hanson on course to lose Senate seat as count goes on
One Nation leader Pauline Hanson is expected to miss out on a Senate seat, as early counting of votes places the Greens ahead of her party.”:)
That’s another bit of nice news :)
Plus Gladys has gone.
sure did you figure domicron was better
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
My previous electorate has done something extraordinary:
so all it took was you leaving
Perhaps I should move from Wide Bay, too?
hmmm
ABC News:
‘Liberals looking for new leader after Morrison takes responsibility for loss’
Well, everyone’s always on about more diversity being needed in Parliament.
Isn’t it about time we had an Opposition with a leader not from the animal kingdom?
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘Liberals looking for new leader after Morrison takes responsibility for loss’
Well, everyone’s always on about more diversity being needed in Parliament.
Isn’t it about time we had an Opposition with a leader not from the animal kingdom?
To me he seems not so much “potato” as “ghoul from the grave”.
Bubblecar said:
This boofhead only managed to score 7.6 per cent of votes in his seat and is now looking for a job as a clown.
Good.
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘Liberals looking for new leader after Morrison takes responsibility for loss’
Well, everyone’s always on about more diversity being needed in Parliament.
Isn’t it about time we had an Opposition with a leader not from the animal kingdom?
The badge on his lapel, does that represent whatever planet he comes from?
Bubblecar said:
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘Liberals looking for new leader after Morrison takes responsibility for loss’
Well, everyone’s always on about more diversity being needed in Parliament.
Isn’t it about time we had an Opposition with a leader not from the animal kingdom?
To me he seems not so much “potato” as “ghoul from the grave”.
sibeen said:
Bubblecar said:
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:
‘Liberals looking for new leader after Morrison takes responsibility for loss’
Well, everyone’s always on about more diversity being needed in Parliament.
Isn’t it about time we had an Opposition with a leader not from the animal kingdom?
To me he seems not so much “potato” as “ghoul from the grave”.
The badge on his lapel, does that represent whatever planet he comes from?
we’re still having epileptic convulsions after reading this line right there
Morrison last night took responsibility
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
sarahs mum said:
HOw did the one nation vote go in the end ?“One Nation leader Pauline Hanson on course to lose Senate seat as count goes on
One Nation leader Pauline Hanson is expected to miss out on a Senate seat, as early counting of votes places the Greens ahead of her party.”:)
It just gets better, doesn’t it?
It sure does.
1m ago
By Caitlyn Davey
Peter Dutton emerges as frontrunner as Liberals seek new leader to replace Scott Morrison
—-
I really don’t want to hear from Dutton. I would that he just disappeared. But making him leader does nail another nail in the liberal coffin.
sarahs mum said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
sarahs mum said:
HOw did the one nation vote go in the end ?“One Nation leader Pauline Hanson on course to lose Senate seat as count goes on
One Nation leader Pauline Hanson is expected to miss out on a Senate seat, as early counting of votes places the Greens ahead of her party.”:)
hallelujah
I expect she’ll go back to her old job as a real estate agent.
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:
The Rev Dodgson said:“One Nation leader Pauline Hanson on course to lose Senate seat as count goes on
One Nation leader Pauline Hanson is expected to miss out on a Senate seat, as early counting of votes places the Greens ahead of her party.”:)
hallelujah
I expect she’ll go back to her old job as a real estate agent.
I thought she did fish and chips?
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:
The Rev Dodgson said:“One Nation leader Pauline Hanson on course to lose Senate seat as count goes on
One Nation leader Pauline Hanson is expected to miss out on a Senate seat, as early counting of votes places the Greens ahead of her party.”:)
hallelujah
I expect she’ll go back to her old job as a real estate agent.
She’s 67, she may just retire.
furious said:
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:hallelujah
I expect she’ll go back to her old job as a real estate agent.
I thought she did fish and chips?
She’s accrued enough to retire.
Ian said:
What was Barrie watching?
Ian said:
I noticed that. I remember thinking this is a bit like the US elections where they were still thinking Trump was going win.
Ian said:
They’ve become institutionalised.
Reflex mode of behaviour is to not say or do anything that will upset ‘the masters’ i.e. L/NP.
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘Liberals looking for new leader after Morrison takes responsibility for loss’
…
Is that the first time Morrison has taken responsibility for something?
sibeen said:
Ian said:
What was Barrie watching?
He was right in the first one…
furious said:
sibeen said:
Ian said:
What was Barrie watching?
He was right in the first one…
She had to keep reminding them “a win is a win”.
sarahs mum said:
1m ago
By Caitlyn Davey
Peter Dutton emerges as frontrunner as Liberals seek new leader to replace Scott Morrison
—-I really don’t want to hear from Dutton. I would that he just disappeared. But making him leader does nail another nail in the liberal coffin.
maybe that’s the plan
sarahs mum said:
1m agoBy Caitlyn Davey
Peter Dutton emerges as frontrunner as Liberals seek new leader to replace Scott Morrison
—-I really don’t want to hear from Dutton. I would that he just disappeared. But making him leader does nail another nail in the liberal coffin.
It sure would.
Dickson is still well in doubt. Dutton, although the current front-runner, may not win.
furious said:
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:hallelujah
I expect she’ll go back to her old job as a real estate agent.
I thought she did fish and chips?
In between Senate jobs, she was a real estate liar.
Bubblecar said:
furious said:
sibeen said:
Ian said:
What was Barrie watching?
He was right in the first one…
She had to keep reminding them “a win is a win”.
it’s as if they don’t want to update the seats in doubt list in a hurry either
sibeen said:
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:hallelujah
I expect she’ll go back to her old job as a real estate agent.
She’s 67, she may just retire.
With any luck. And a bloody good pension, too. Much better than mine.
SCIENCE said:
Bubblecar said:
furious said:
He was right in the first one…
She had to keep reminding them “a win is a win”.
it’s as if they don’t want to update the seats in doubt list in a hurry either
I think they rely upon the AEC to do the actual counting.
Australia ousts conservative Prime Minister Scott Morrison
By Michael E. Miller and Frances Vinall
Updated May 21, 2022 at 11:46 a.m. EDT|Published May 20, 2022 at 6:18 p.m. EDT
SYDNEY — Australia delivered a stinging defeat to the country’s ruling conservative coalition on Saturday in what amounted to a personal rebuke of Prime Minister Scott Morrison’s abrasive brand of leadership.
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The result paves the way for opposition leader Anthony Albanese to become the next prime minister. But it was unclear whether his center-left Labor Party would win an outright majority or be forced to negotiate with a handful of independent and Greens candidates elected on platforms of combating climate change.
Albanese took the stage shortly before midnight to address a boisterous crowd.
“Tonight the Australian people have voted for change,” he said. “It says a lot about our great country that a son of a single mum who was a disability pensioner, who grew up in public housing down the road in Camperdown, can stand before you tonight as Australia’s prime minister.”
Morrison had conceded an hour earlier, saying his administration has left the country in a “stronger position” than when he took office in 2018.
“I think on a night like tonight, we can reflect on the greatness of our democracy,” he said, adding that he was stepping down as leader of the Liberal Party.
The concession offered some clarity on a night of confusing, almost chaotic results that at times left even seasoned political analysts scratching their heads.
“We may be in for a long night,” election expert Antony Green said on the Australian Broadcasting Corp. network. “And we may be in for a long week to work out which party wins which seats. And we may be in for two or three weeks before anyone works out who is the government.”
What was quickly evident on election day was that the Australian political landscape was fracturing.
Independent and Greens candidates appeared on track to win almost a dozen seats — due, in part, to a focus on climate change, an issue that exit polling suggested was on many voters’ minds.
“I think there was a real attempt from Liberal and Labor to bury it as an election issue,” Greens leader Adam Bandt told the ABC. “And we were really clear about the need to tackle climate by tackling coal and gas.”
Zali Steggall, an independent who retained her seat on Sydney’s north shore, said a failure to address climate change had hurt both major parties.
“Climate change simply did not feature in the policies and platforms from the major parties and in particular from Scott Morrison,” she told the ABC. “It’s like he forgot that over the last three years, we were ravaged by bush fires and floods, and somehow it was swept under the carpet.”
Morrison, a staunch backer of Australia’s coal industry who once brought a lump of the black sedimentary rock into Parliament, had tried to neutralize climate change as an electoral issue by belatedly committing to net zero emissions by 2050. But he promised it would not hurt coal mining jobs or raise the cost of electricity, and he avoided the issue on the campaign trail.
Stung by a shock Labor loss in 2019, Albanese ran a small-target campaign, paring back some of his party’s more divisive policies, including cuts to carbon emissions. Although Labor’s climate targets were more ambitious than those of Morrison’s coalition, they trailed those of the Greens and independents, and Albanese didn’t trumpet them.
That cautious approach drew derision from voters in Albanese’s own electorate of Grayndler in inner-city Sydney.
Amy Knox and Evan Solomons, both 36, said they voted for Labor in 2019 but were now going with the Greens because of climate change concerns.
“Both major parties have been really uninspiring” on the issue, said Knox, an attorney at a community legal center. “The whole thing is pretty uninspiring, to be honest.”
Under Australia’s preferential voting system, Albanese would almost certainly end up benefiting from their votes anyway. As the couple led their two children through a rainy graveyard plastered with political signs, a Labor Party poll worker offered their 3-year-old daughter a “Vote Albo for PM” sticker, which she hesitantly accepted.
In the wealthy Melbourne electorate of Kooyong, there was equal uncertainty about the major parties, but also an alternative with a strong chance of winning.
Kooyong is traditionally a safe seat for the right-of-center coalition. But Josh Frydenberg, Morrison’s treasurer, faced a stiff challenge from one of a slate of climate-focused independent candidates.
All 10 voters who spoke to The Washington Post at Camberwell Primary School on Saturday morning said they were voting for the independent, Monique Ryan, a children’s neurologist.
“I believe in all her ideals, especially for climate action and especially for the integrity of the parliamentarians,” said Anne Byrne, 87, a nun and retired teacher. Like other “teal independents” — they tend to support the free-market policies of the blue conservative coalition although they also have a green focus on climate — Ryan has said she will push for an independent commission to investigate claims of wrongdoing against federal politicians.
“I voted for her because the House of Representatives needs a bit of a shake-up,” said Kathryn Beasley, 24, an aged-care worker. “With an independent, you’ll be able to break up the two-party dynamic.”
Ryan appeared headed for victory on Saturday night.
“Josh Frydenberg has lost his seat!” a Ryan supporter shrieked in disbelief inside the Auburn Hotel, where the noise was deafening and the atmosphere elated. Frydenberg did not concede, however, saying it was “mathematically possible” that he retained his seat “but definitely difficult.” Local media called the race for Ryan.
All 151 seats in the House of Representatives were up for grabs. Morrison’s coalition held a one-seat majority in Parliament’s lower chamber. Labor needed to pick up seven seats to form a government. Forty of the 76 seats in the upper chamber, the Senate, were also up for election.
The contest came at a tense time Down Under. The land of “no worries” has become, well, worried. Australians, normally among the most optimistic people on the planet, have grown increasingly dissatisfied with their lives and concerned about their future, recent polling shows.
The world’s 13th-biggest economy is going strong, as exemplified by Morrison’s gleeful announcement this past week that unemployment had dropped to the lowest level in half a century. But inflation, equally strong, means many Australians are effectively earning less by the day.
Mark Kenny, a professor of politics at Australian National University, described the prevailing mood as “fatigue, uncertainty, a little bit of fear.”
“Things like an increasingly assertive China, the war in Ukraine, the cost of living crisis,” he said. Morrison “has tried to leverage these things and package them all up into an overall atmosphere of uncertainty that will only be added to if you change government.”
But those warnings against change did not gain traction.
A year ago, Morrison, 54, appeared to be cruising toward reelection thanks to Australia’s early success in keeping out the coronavirus. But a slow vaccine rollout and outbreaks of the delta and omicron variants renewed criticism of his crisis management — a subject that first flared when Morrison went on holiday during devastating bush fires in 2019.
When questioned about his absence, his reply — “I don’t hold a hose, mate” — fed into criticism that Morrison is slow to act but quick to dodge blame. Those complaints resurfaced in March, when the prime minister waited more than a week to declare a national emergency over historic floods.
Morrison also faced credibility issues. Last year, French President Emmanuel Macron accused Morrison of lying about a scrapped submarine deal. Then came a flurry of attacks from within the coalition, including leaked text messages describing him as a “horrible person” and “complete psycho.”
“I have a distrust of Scott Morrison,” said Simone Gupta, 48, shortly after voting for Allegra Spender, a teal independent who would win another crucial battleground, the Sydney beach electorate of Wentworth. “It’s his mishandling of the treatment of women in government.”
Morrison’s party has faced a series of scandals, including an allegation by a former coalition aide that she was raped by a colleague in Parliament in 2019. The accusation sparked nationwide demonstrations for gender equality, a demand that Gupta said the government has not met.
The coalition’s defeat was “clearly more of a rejection of Morrison than it is a loving embrace of Albanese or Labor,” said Paul Williams, a political scientist at Griffith University in Brisbane. “But it wasn’t all about his leadership. There’s obviously a distinctive choice among a huge number of Australians to pursue a more progressive policy agenda, otherwise teal independents wouldn’t have emerged, and people wouldn’t have voted for them.”
The result was a recasting of the political landscape Down Under and an “existential crisis” for the coalition, he said. Shorn of its moderates, the coalition was now “a conservative rump.”
But the election also left Labor with some soul searching to do, such as why some suburban working-class voters had abandoned the party, Williams said.
Like Joe Biden in the 2020 U.S. election, Albanese, 59, appeared happy for the election to be a referendum on his divisive opponent. And like Biden, he emphasized empathy and unity, themes he returned to in his victory speech.
“I want to bring Australians together,” he said. “I want to seek our common purpose and promote unity and optimism, not fear and division.”
“Together we can end the climate wars,” he added, referring to infighting that has dogged both major parties.
The small-target strategy posed a risk for Albanese, who started the race as the far-lesser-known candidate and struggled to introduce himself to voters.
But on Saturday night, he basked in chants of “Albo, Albo, Albo!”
“My fellow Australians,” he said. “I think they’ve got the name by now.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/05/20/australia-election-morrison-albanese/?
sibeen said:
SCIENCE said:
Bubblecar said:
She had to keep reminding them “a win is a win”.
it’s as if they don’t want to update the seats in doubt list in a hurry either
I think they rely upon the AEC to do the actual counting.
so they know that a win is a win
SCIENCE said:
sibeen said:
SCIENCE said:
it’s as if they don’t want to update the seats in doubt list in a hurry either
I think they rely upon the AEC to do the actual counting.
so they know that a win is a win
Those right wing pricks at the Guardian still have Labor on 72 seats – the bastards.
sibeen said:
SCIENCE said:sibeen said:
I think they rely upon the AEC to do the actual counting.
so they know that a win is a win
Those right wing pricks at the Guardian still have Labor on 72 seats – the bastards.
The Fin Rev is even more reluctant, with ALP at 71 seats.
captain_spalding said:
sibeen said:
SCIENCE said:so they know that a win is a win
Those right wing pricks at the Guardian still have Labor on 72 seats – the bastards.
The Fin Rev is even more reluctant, with ALP at 71 seats.
The Gran has given the libs 51 seats whilst Aunty has them on 50.
We haven’t discussed Menzies. The Liberal candidate has suffered a 9% swing in Kevin Andrews blue-ribbon seat.
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘Liberals looking for new leader after Morrison takes responsibility for loss’
…
Is that the first time Morrison has taken responsibility for something?
Yes.
furious said:
sibeen said:
Ian said:
What was Barrie watching?
He was right in the first one…
Since when does the media have to congratulate the winning side of any competition?
Hey Witty…I didn’t get to drink last night. Alex Dyson looked good in early counting, but has slipped back to 20% of the votes counted. Dan Tehan is on 44% and the Labor guy is on 19%. At 75% counted. So it rather looks like there will be some preference distribution to happen.
Dark Orange said:
furious said:
sibeen said:What was Barrie watching?
He was right in the first one…
Since when does the media have to congratulate the winning side of any competition?
I admit to not being 100% concentrating on the coverage all evening, but I felt they didn’t speak to Tanya much at all.
captain_spalding said:
:)
Witty Rejoinder said:
We haven’t discussed Menzies. The Liberal candidate has suffered a 9% swing in Kevin Andrews blue-ribbon seat.
The ABC is obviously taking some of their cues from this forum.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-22/deakin-macnamara-menzies-victorian-seats-federal-election/101088984
Bubblecar said:
furious said:
sibeen said:What was Barrie watching?
He was right in the first one…
She had to keep reminding them “a win is a win”.
not sure what the ABC will do now, be a total rejig involved in accommodating the parochial working class, lot of the locals might rather drink their own urine than sip the globalist chardonnay
Sooo …. just like an election or two ago, when the ALP got more votes than the LNP but the LNP won?
It was good then but not now?
Dark Orange said:
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘Liberals looking for new leader after Morrison takes responsibility for loss’
…
Is that the first time Morrison has taken responsibility for something?
Yes.
He claimed responsibility for stopping the boats, and even made himself some trophy to stick on his desk.
As far as the readership goes, appointing Dutton is likely to be a step in the wrong direction. I can’t imagine anyone less appealing to those former Lib voters fed up with the direction the party has been heading of late. But they probably will do it anyway because he is the most senior of those left standing.
party_pants said:
Dark Orange said:
Michael V said:Is that the first time Morrison has taken responsibility for something?
Yes.
He claimed responsibility for stopping the boats, and even made himself some trophy to stick on his desk.
As far as the readership goes, appointing Dutton is likely to be a step in the wrong direction. I can’t imagine anyone less appealing to those former Lib voters fed up with the direction the party has been heading of late. But they probably will do it anyway because he is the most senior of those left standing.
I find Dutton to be considerably more revolting than Morrison. A disgusting excuse for a human.
Spiny Norman said:
Sooo …. just like an election or two ago, when the ALP got more votes than the LNP but the LNP won?
It was good then but not now?
So “Old Soldier” has lived in this nation for a while but still understand that preferences are also votes.
Spiny Norman said:
party_pants said:
Dark Orange said:Yes.
He claimed responsibility for stopping the boats, and even made himself some trophy to stick on his desk.
As far as the readership goes, appointing Dutton is likely to be a step in the wrong direction. I can’t imagine anyone less appealing to those former Lib voters fed up with the direction the party has been heading of late. But they probably will do it anyway because he is the most senior of those left standing.
I find Dutton to be considerably more revolting than Morrison. A disgusting excuse for a human.
me too.
Bubblecar said:
Spiny Norman said:
Sooo …. just like an election or two ago, when the ALP got more votes than the LNP but the LNP won?
It was good then but not now?
So “Old Soldier” has lived in this nation for a while but still understand that preferences are also votes.
still understand = doesn’t
party_pants said:
As far as the readership goes, appointing Dutton is likely to be a step in the wrong direction. I can’t imagine anyone less appealing to those former Lib voters fed up with the direction the party has been heading of late. But they probably will do it anyway because he is the most senior of those left standing.
Also, he can be relied on to to say and do stupid things which will absorb media attention while the L/NP folks get on with whatever sidelines they have going while they draw parliamentary salaries.
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:
Spiny Norman said:
Sooo …. just like an election or two ago, when the ALP got more votes than the LNP but the LNP won?
It was good then but not now?
So “Old Soldier” has lived in this nation for a while but still understand that preferences are also votes.
still understand = doesn’t
He really ought to learn a bit about them, because if he doesn’t like Labor govts, he’d be living under a lot more of them without preferences.
Dark Orange said:
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:
‘Liberals looking for new leader after Morrison takes responsibility for loss’
…
Is that the first time Morrison has taken responsibility for something?
Yes.
so he was telling the truth, reelect Corruption and they’ll change …
… wait
sarahs mum said:
Spiny Norman said:
party_pants said:
He claimed responsibility for stopping the boats, and even made himself some trophy to stick on his desk.
As far as the readership goes, appointing Dutton is likely to be a step in the wrong direction. I can’t imagine anyone less appealing to those former Lib voters fed up with the direction the party has been heading of late. But they probably will do it anyway because he is the most senior of those left standing.
I find Dutton to be considerably more revolting than Morrison. A disgusting excuse for a human.
me too.
actually good point, didn’t he take responsibility for WA choosing Mark McG too
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-22/election-2022-anthony-albanese-wins-transformative-election/101087834
Laura Tingle
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘Liberals looking for new leader after Morrison takes responsibility for loss’
…
Is that the first time Morrison has taken responsibility for something?
Yep. He can’t blame Jenny for this one.
Michael V said:
furious said:
Michael V said:I expect she’ll go back to her old job as a real estate agent.
I thought she did fish and chips?
In between Senate jobs, she was a real estate liar.
Her parents owned a fish and chip shop. She grew up with the smell of non-white immigrants.
Spiny Norman said:
party_pants said:
Dark Orange said:Yes.
He claimed responsibility for stopping the boats, and even made himself some trophy to stick on his desk.
As far as the readership goes, appointing Dutton is likely to be a step in the wrong direction. I can’t imagine anyone less appealing to those former Lib voters fed up with the direction the party has been heading of late. But they probably will do it anyway because he is the most senior of those left standing.
I find Dutton to be considerably more revolting than Morrison. A disgusting excuse for a human.
You actually think he’s human?
roughbarked said:
Spiny Norman said:
party_pants said:He claimed responsibility for stopping the boats, and even made himself some trophy to stick on his desk.
As far as the readership goes, appointing Dutton is likely to be a step in the wrong direction. I can’t imagine anyone less appealing to those former Lib voters fed up with the direction the party has been heading of late. But they probably will do it anyway because he is the most senior of those left standing.
I find Dutton to be considerably more revolting than Morrison. A disgusting excuse for a human.
You actually think he’s human?
Tamb said:
roughbarked said:
Spiny Norman said:I find Dutton to be considerably more revolting than Morrison. A disgusting excuse for a human.
You actually think he’s human?
Yes. Like Nobby Nobbs.
Anyway, I’m encouraged to see that the count was last updated 10 hours ago, so anything could happen.
roughbarked said:
Yep. He can’t blame Jenny for this one.
But, he has found someone to blame:
ABC News:
‘Morrison confidante attributes Liberal bloodbath in WA to McGowan popularity’
So, it wasn’t the fault of Scotty being a thoroughly incompetent, self-serving, unempathetic, contemptuous, out-of-touch, puppet for a foreign media baron, or of his government that was staffed by corrupt, immoral, thieving, lazy shills for whatever industry felt it was owed a few favours.
Rather, it was all because the Sandgropers for some reason thought that their Premier was an ok sort of bloke.
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-22/election-2022-anthony-albanese-wins-transformative-election/101087834Laura Tingle
readed that earlier
One of the ABC’s talking heads said she was pleased Albo was the first PM to have a non-anglo surname.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Tamb said:
roughbarked said:You actually think he’s human?
Yes. Like Nobby Nobbs.Anyway, I’m encouraged to see that the count was last updated 10 hours ago, so anything could happen.
Aunty says 6 minutes ago:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/elections/federal/2022/results?filter=all&sort=az&state=all
https://michaelwest.com.au/the-corrupt-coalition-gone-pm-anthony-albanese-confronts-the-immense-challenge-of-repairing-australia/
Tamb said:
One of the ABC’s talking heads said she was pleased Albo was the first PM to have a non-anglo surname.
Probably Virginia Trioli?
Michael V said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Tamb said:Yes. Like Nobby Nobbs.
Anyway, I’m encouraged to see that the count was last updated 10 hours ago, so anything could happen.
Aunty says 6 minutes ago:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/elections/federal/2022/results?filter=all&sort=az&state=all
Tamb said:
One of the ABC’s talking heads said she was pleased Albo was the first PM to have a non-anglo surname.
What about:
Menzies
McEwen
McMahon
Fraser?
All good non-Anglo names.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Tamb said:
One of the ABC’s talking heads said she was pleased Albo was the first PM to have a non-anglo surname.
What about:
Menzies
McEwen
McMahon
Fraser?All good non-Anglo names.
Lol. Not to my mind.
party_pants said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Tamb said:
One of the ABC’s talking heads said she was pleased Albo was the first PM to have a non-anglo surname.
What about:
Menzies
McEwen
McMahon
Fraser?All good non-Anglo names.
Lol. Not to my mind.
The Internet says:
“Anglo is a prefix indicating a relation to, or descent from, the Angles, England, English culture, the English people or the English language, such as in the term Anglosphere. It is often used alone, …”
party_pants said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Tamb said:
One of the ABC’s talking heads said she was pleased Albo was the first PM to have a non-anglo surname.
What about:
Menzies
McEwen
McMahon
Fraser?All good non-Anglo names.
Lol. Not to my mind.
Add Keating, too.
The Rev Dodgson said:
party_pants said:
The Rev Dodgson said:What about:
Menzies
McEwen
McMahon
Fraser?All good non-Anglo names.
Lol. Not to my mind.
The Internet says:
“Anglo is a prefix indicating a relation to, or descent from, the Angles, England, English culture, the English people or the English language, such as in the term Anglosphere. It is often used alone, …”
Yes. That is the strict definition. But foreigners like me tend to lump all British names into the same basket. be they anglo, celtic, or “other” ethnic origin. I guess the technically correct way of saying it would be a non-British or Irish surname, rather than non-Anglo. But for us foreigners the distinction is small.
Bogsnorkler said:
https://michaelwest.com.au/the-corrupt-coalition-gone-pm-anthony-albanese-confronts-the-immense-challenge-of-repairing-australia/
There is a bit of “Be careful what you wish for” here. The job Labor now have is enormous.
party_pants said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
party_pants said:Lol. Not to my mind.
The Internet says:
“Anglo is a prefix indicating a relation to, or descent from, the Angles, England, English culture, the English people or the English language, such as in the term Anglosphere. It is often used alone, …”
Yes. That is the strict definition. But foreigners like me tend to lump all British names into the same basket. be they anglo, celtic, or “other” ethnic origin. I guess the technically correct way of saying it would be a non-British or Irish surname, rather than non-Anglo. But for us foreigners the distinction is small.
Gillard is likely a French family name.
buffy said:
Bogsnorkler said:
https://michaelwest.com.au/the-corrupt-coalition-gone-pm-anthony-albanese-confronts-the-immense-challenge-of-repairing-australia/There is a bit of “Be careful what you wish for” here. The job Labor now have is enormous.
better to start earlier than later, what’s the alternative, wish it continues to get worse first
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:
Bogsnorkler said:
https://michaelwest.com.au/the-corrupt-coalition-gone-pm-anthony-albanese-confronts-the-immense-challenge-of-repairing-australia/There is a bit of “Be careful what you wish for” here. The job Labor now have is enormous.
better to start earlier than later, what’s the alternative, wish it continues to get worse first
What? I was referring to wishing to win the election.
Michael V said:
party_pants said:
The Rev Dodgson said:The Internet says:
“Anglo is a prefix indicating a relation to, or descent from, the Angles, England, English culture, the English people or the English language, such as in the term Anglosphere. It is often used alone, …”
Yes. That is the strict definition. But foreigners like me tend to lump all British names into the same basket. be they anglo, celtic, or “other” ethnic origin. I guess the technically correct way of saying it would be a non-British or Irish surname, rather than non-Anglo. But for us foreigners the distinction is small.
Gillard is likely a French family name.
Internet says East Kent and Sussex, which is pretty specific.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-22/antony-green-answers-questions-about-historic-election/101089010
I’m about to read that. He’s had time to write a piece!
buffy said:
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:There is a bit of “Be careful what you wish for” here. The job Labor now have is enormous.
better to start earlier than later, what’s the alternative, wish it continues to get worse first
What? I was referring to wishing to win the election.
Right, why wouldn’t they take on the challenge¿ Is there benefit in wishing to lose such an election¿
buffy said:
They have to make their intentions clear just about from the start, and at least achieve some minor/limited goals in the comparatively early days.
Bogsnorkler said:
https://michaelwest.com.au/the-corrupt-coalition-gone-pm-anthony-albanese-confronts-the-immense-challenge-of-repairing-australia/There is a bit of “Be careful what you wish for” here. The job Labor now have is enormous.
People will be more willing to cut them some slack for the bigger, longer-haul (and maybe more expensive) provided that it can be seen that they have some sort of plan, and are active in putting it to work.
The existence of a plan of some sort would be a great encouragement to the electorate, after several years of a government which seemed to have no plan for anything at all.
Labor should not do a few window-dressing stunts, and then sit back and rest on those dubious laurels, or say it’s all too hard.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:
party_pants said:Yes. That is the strict definition. But foreigners like me tend to lump all British names into the same basket. be they anglo, celtic, or “other” ethnic origin. I guess the technically correct way of saying it would be a non-British or Irish surname, rather than non-Anglo. But for us foreigners the distinction is small.
Gillard is likely a French family name.
Internet says East Kent and Sussex, which is pretty specific.
Well all right but get back to us when they elect someone with a Tswana name or whatever it is.
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:Gillard is likely a French family name.
Internet says East Kent and Sussex, which is pretty specific.
Well all right but get back to us when they elect someone with a Tswana name or whatever it is.
That’s where humans originated isn’t it?
So all names are Tswana names.
SCIENCE said:
Right, why wouldn’t they take on the challenge¿ Is there benefit in wishing to lose such an election¿
To some degree, it was their duty to try to win.
Just like the the majority of the rest of us, they would have been appalled at the prospect of how a L/NP government would aggravate the shambles that they’ve already created, if given another term.
A Labor win was pretty much our last desperate chance, and now we can only hope that they make the most of it for us.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:
party_pants said:Yes. That is the strict definition. But foreigners like me tend to lump all British names into the same basket. be they anglo, celtic, or “other” ethnic origin. I guess the technically correct way of saying it would be a non-British or Irish surname, rather than non-Anglo. But for us foreigners the distinction is small.
Gillard is likely a French family name.
Internet says East Kent and Sussex, which is pretty specific.
But Turnbull is another good Scottish name apparently.
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Internet says East Kent and Sussex, which is pretty specific.
Well all right but get back to us when they elect someone with a Tswana name or whatever it is.
That’s where humans originated isn’t it?
So all names are Tswana names.
ha
well fine
go as far as possible from there then, we’ll settle when they elect someone with a name like Ban Ki-moon or similar
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:
They have to make their intentions clear just about from the start, and at least achieve some minor/limited goals in the comparatively early days.Bogsnorkler said:
https://michaelwest.com.au/the-corrupt-coalition-gone-pm-anthony-albanese-confronts-the-immense-challenge-of-repairing-australia/
There is a bit of “Be careful what you wish for” here. The job Labor now have is enormous.
People will be more willing to cut them some slack for the bigger, longer-haul (and maybe more expensive) provided that it can be seen that they have some sort of plan, and are active in putting it to work.
The existence of a plan of some sort would be a great encouragement to the electorate, after several years of a government which seemed to have no plan for anything at all.
Labor should not do a few window-dressing stunts, and then sit back and rest on those dubious laurels, or say it’s all too hard.
Right, why wouldn’t they take on the challenge¿ Is there benefit in wishing to lose such an election¿
To some degree, it was their duty to try to win.
Just like the the majority of the rest of us, they would have been appalled at the prospect of how a L/NP government would aggravate the shambles that they’ve already created, if given another term.
A Labor win was pretty much our last desperate chance, and now we can only hope that they make the most of it for us.
We suppose given this article
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-22/labor-won-federal-election-albanese-policies/101088720
we’d be satisfied enough if their “nation building” agenda doesn’t look very different from the purported Corruption policy (minus the corruption of course), and they just bring in the damn ICAC ASAP.
SCIENCE said:
nough if their “nation building” agenda doesn’t look very different from the purported Corruption policy (minus the corruption of course), and they just bring in the damn ICAC ASAP.
That would be a good and signifying start.
Once there’s an independent and effective ICAC equivalent in place, even the next L/NP govt would find it difficult to extinguish it without making themselves look extremely suspicious.
Michael V said:
party_pants said:
The Rev Dodgson said:The Internet says:
“Anglo is a prefix indicating a relation to, or descent from, the Angles, England, English culture, the English people or the English language, such as in the term Anglosphere. It is often used alone, …”
Yes. That is the strict definition. But foreigners like me tend to lump all British names into the same basket. be they anglo, celtic, or “other” ethnic origin. I guess the technically correct way of saying it would be a non-British or Irish surname, rather than non-Anglo. But for us foreigners the distinction is small.
Gillard is likely a French family name.
1066 and all that.
Albanese is apparently Southern Italian, and it means “Albanian”. Referring to pockets of Albanian immigrants who settled there.
The night is all over and done with now, so I give you my permission to trash my thread.
Woodie said:
um are not those verbs
anyway Macnamara and Richmond should be interesting
Dan Tehan (our sitting member) is still at 44% with 77% counted.
SCIENCE said:
Woodie said:
um are not those verbs
Yes.
And though she didn’t get in, that issue is not likely to go away (unless women simply give up participation in sport, accepting the fact that they’re no longer a recognised category).
Woodie said:
LOLOLOL
SCIENCE said:
Woodie said:
um are not those verbs
the english language is a fluid language.
Bogsnorkler said:
SCIENCE said:Woodie said:
um are not those verbs
the english language is a fluid language.
No, they are verbs.
Well, the moron has won.
Serve the liberal ads right for plastering Albanese’s name and face all over our screens, together with the worst set of lying statistics ever collected in a political ad.
I was about to say that this will be a new experience because Australia had never been governed by a moron before, then I remembered Abbott.
Australia has never been governed by a Labor moron before.
—-
I was thinking – don’t laugh. You can tell exactly who Australia’s best prime ministers have been, by counting the number of knives in their backs. Whitlam, Rudd and Turnbull, in recent years. Hawke’s knife wound was self-inflicted. Holt would have had knife wounds in the back if he hadn’t died when he did.
You’re going to hate me for this, but I’ve been comparing the undertaker and the SloMo. Both came to power in a coup, but they’re rather unique in that neither had a big organising role in that coup. Both kept the economy on an even keel, and both were heavily hammered by slanderers and mockers within the popular press. As for quality of prime-ministership, they’re just about even.
Looks like Kristina Keneally’s parachute didn’t open properly.
mollwollfumble said:
Well, the moron has won.Serve the liberal ads right for plastering Albanese’s name and face all over our screens, together with the worst set of lying statistics ever collected in a political ad.
I was about to say that this will be a new experience because Australia had never been governed by a moron before, then I remembered Abbott.
Australia has never been governed by a Labor moron before.
—-
I was thinking – don’t laugh. You can tell exactly who Australia’s best prime ministers have been, by counting the number of knives in their backs. Whitlam, Rudd and Turnbull, in recent years. Hawke’s knife wound was self-inflicted. Holt would have had knife wounds in the back if he hadn’t died when he did.
You’re going to hate me for this, but I’ve been comparing the undertaker and the SloMo. Both came to power in a coup, but they’re rather unique in that neither had a big organising role in that coup. Both kept the economy on an even keel, and both were heavily hammered by slanderers and mockers within the popular press. As for quality of prime-ministership, they’re just about even.
We don’t hate you moll, we just a feel a bit sorry for you.
Peak Warming Man said:
Looks like Kristina Keneally’s parachute didn’t open properly.
They were taking the voters too much for granted in that move.
mollwollfumble said:
Well, the moron has won.Serve the liberal ads right for plastering Albanese’s name and face all over our screens, together with the worst set of lying statistics ever collected in a political ad.
I was about to say that this will be a new experience because Australia had never been governed by a moron before, then I remembered Abbott.
Australia has never been governed by a Labor moron before.
—-
I was thinking – don’t laugh. You can tell exactly who Australia’s best prime ministers have been, by counting the number of knives in their backs. Whitlam, Rudd and Turnbull, in recent years. Hawke’s knife wound was self-inflicted. Holt would have had knife wounds in the back if he hadn’t died when he did.
You’re going to hate me for this, but I’ve been comparing the undertaker and the SloMo. Both came to power in a coup, but they’re rather unique in that neither had a big organising role in that coup. Both kept the economy on an even keel, and both were heavily hammered by slanderers and mockers within the popular press. As for quality of prime-ministership, they’re just about even.
Following Labor’s defeat in the 2013 election, Albanese stood against Bill Shorten in the ensuing leadership election, the first to include party members as well as MPs. Although Albanese won a large majority of the membership, Shorten won more heavily among Labor MPs and won the contest; Shorten subsequently appointed Albanese to his Shadow Cabinet. After Labor’s surprise defeat in the 2019 election, Shorten resigned and Albanese became the only person nominated in the leadership election to replace him; he was subsequently elected unopposed as leader of the Labor Party, becoming Leader of the Opposition.
Peak Warming Man said:
Looks like Kristina Keneally’s parachute didn’t open properly.
Ha!
:)
Ross sister posted me this, but I’m still not sure if he’s gone or not.
Albanese, dog strangler
In case anyone is interested…Margaret is very happy today because of the Greens did so well and so many more women got in and because of climate change.
Sigh.
Bogsnorkler said:
Albanese, dog strangler
Mind you that dog does look happy enough being strangled.
Bogsnorkler said:
Albanese, dog strangler
Vote Labor, or the pooch gets it.
sarahs mum said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Albanese, dog strangler
Mind you that dog does look happy enough being strangled.
He’s just re-attached its head after some Tory kicked it off.
Next question:
how soon will there be a by-election in Cook?
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:
Bogsnorkler said:
https://michaelwest.com.au/the-corrupt-coalition-gone-pm-anthony-albanese-confronts-the-immense-challenge-of-repairing-australia/There is a bit of “Be careful what you wish for” here. The job Labor now have is enormous.
better to start earlier than later, what’s the alternative, wish it continues to get worse first
I have to agree and that’s what Albo said. I want you all back to work first thing Monday.
captain_spalding said:
Next question:how soon will there be a by-election in Cook?
He may stick around.
sarahs mum said:
In case anyone is interested…Margaret is very happy today because of the Greens did so well and so many more women got in and because of climate change.Sigh.
So is she in favour of climate change?
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:They have to make their intentions clear just about from the start, and at least achieve some minor/limited goals in the comparatively early days.
Bogsnorkler said:
https://michaelwest.com.au/the-corrupt-coalition-gone-pm-anthony-albanese-confronts-the-immense-challenge-of-repairing-australia/There is a bit of “Be careful what you wish for” here. The job Labor now have is enormous.
People will be more willing to cut them some slack for the bigger, longer-haul (and maybe more expensive) provided that it can be seen that they have some sort of plan, and are active in putting it to work.
The existence of a plan of some sort would be a great encouragement to the electorate, after several years of a government which seemed to have no plan for anything at all.
Labor should not do a few window-dressing stunts, and then sit back and rest on those dubious laurels, or say it’s all too hard.
They’ve had nine years on their laurels. Time to get back to work.
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:Right, why wouldn’t they take on the challenge¿ Is there benefit in wishing to lose such an election¿
To some degree, it was their duty to try to win.
Just like the the majority of the rest of us, they would have been appalled at the prospect of how a L/NP government would aggravate the shambles that they’ve already created, if given another term.
A Labor win was pretty much our last desperate chance, and now we can only hope that they make the most of it for us.
I have to agree here as well.
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
In case anyone is interested…Margaret is very happy today because of the Greens did so well and so many more women got in and because of climate change.Sigh.
So is she in favour of climate change?
Who knows.
She didn’t say anything when I mentioned Pauline would not get a seat.
During the campaign Clive Palmer introduced Craig Kelly as the next Prime Minister of Australia so when I woke up on Sunday morning and heard on the wireless that Australia had a new Prime Minister I thought bloody hell don’t tell me!!!
roughbarked said:
They’ve had nine years on their laurels. Time to get back to work.
Exactly.
They wanted their chance, here it is.
It’s now up to them to make the most of it, for the sake of all of us.
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:
nough if their “nation building” agenda doesn’t look very different from the purported Corruption policy (minus the corruption of course), and they just bring in the damn ICAC ASAP.
That would be a good and signifying start.
Once there’s an independent and effective ICAC equivalent in place, even the next L/NP govt would find it difficult to extinguish it without making themselves look extremely suspicious.
Indeed. However, by then they’ll have devised a workaround.
party_pants said:
Albanese is apparently Southern Italian, and it means “Albanian”. Referring to pockets of Albanian immigrants who settled there.
They were low paid immigrant workers.
Peak Warming Man said:
During the campaign Clive Palmer introduced Craig Kelly as the next Prime Minister of Australia so when I woke up on Sunday morning and heard on the wireless that Australia had a new Prime Minister I thought bloody hell don’t tell me!!!
Well, he is.
In some far off, freaky, bizarro alternative universe.
Witty Rejoinder said:
captain_spalding said:
Next question:how soon will there be a by-election in Cook?
He may stick around.
Nah, Jenny will say we are millionaires now, let’s spend all year in Hawaii.
captain_spalding said:
Peak Warming Man said:
During the campaign Clive Palmer introduced Craig Kelly as the next Prime Minister of Australia so when I woke up on Sunday morning and heard on the wireless that Australia had a new Prime Minister I thought bloody hell don’t tell me!!!
Well, he is.
In some far off, freaky, bizarro alternative universe.
Where all the liquid is bleach.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:They’ve had nine years on their laurels. Time to get back to work.
Exactly.
They wanted their chance, here it is.
It’s now up to them to make the most of it, for the sake of all of us.
The good ship Australia is on a solid course, they can change direction a few degrees here or there but any sudden and significant course alterations may see them in for a short tenure.
they aren’t going to shorten anthony albanese’s name lke ScoMo or BoJo.
sarahs mum said:
they aren’t going to shorten anthony albanese’s name lke ScoMo or BoJo.
No need, He’s just Albo. Has always been thus. Even the fussy dogs like him.
Peak Warming Man said:
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:They’ve had nine years on their laurels. Time to get back to work.
Exactly.
They wanted their chance, here it is.
It’s now up to them to make the most of it, for the sake of all of us.
The good ship Australia is on a solid course, they can change direction a few degrees here or there but any sudden and significant course alterations may see them in for a short tenure.
True.
The Australian electorate has a notably short memory.
sarahs mum said:
they aren’t going to shorten anthony albanese’s name lke ScoMo or BoJo.
Of course not! That would be…unthinkable! Absurd!
sarahs mum said:
they aren’t going to shorten anthony albanese’s name lke ScoMo or BoJo.
Rofl
Casey Briggs
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-22/five-graphs-show-the-unusual-federal-election-2022-result/101089088
Bogsnorkler said:
It had to come.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/may/22/peter-dutton-firms-as-next-liberal-leader-amid-fight-over-future-of-the-party
Rennick said that, rather than signing up to net zero, the party “should’ve fought the issue on cost of living again, to argue that are the most expensive power, like we did last time”.
The Coalition should argue for environmental protection “without believing in this notion that a rise of CO2 is the end of mankind”, he said.
Liberal senator Alex Antic said the Coalition must not adopt a more ambitious climate policy, claiming that would only backfire.
“In many cases the people were trying to appease the climate crowd – look what happens,” Antic told Sky News on Sunday morning.
“You throw the left and the climate crowd a bone and then they just use it to crack you on the head with later on.”
Antic appealed to his party colleagues to “push back on these globalist forces that are coming through and climate change is one of them”.
“We’ve got to drown out the Guardians, the ABCs – we didn’t do it when we were in power, we’re going to have to do it when we’re in opposition,” he said.
Bogsnorkler said:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/may/22/peter-dutton-firms-as-next-liberal-leader-amid-fight-over-future-of-the-partyRennick said that, rather than signing up to net zero, the party “should’ve fought the issue on cost of living again, to argue that are the most expensive power, like we did last time”.
The Coalition should argue for environmental protection “without believing in this notion that a rise of CO2 is the end of mankind”, he said.
Liberal senator Alex Antic said the Coalition must not adopt a more ambitious climate policy, claiming that would only backfire.
“In many cases the people were trying to appease the climate crowd – look what happens,” Antic told Sky News on Sunday morning.
“You throw the left and the climate crowd a bone and then they just use it to crack you on the head with later on.”
Antic appealed to his party colleagues to “push back on these globalist forces that are coming through and climate change is one of them”.
“We’ve got to drown out the Guardians, the ABCs – we didn’t do it when we were in power, we’re going to have to do it when we’re in opposition,” he said.
They don’t seem to get it. Climate change doesn’t give a fuck about political ideology.
party_pants said:
Bogsnorkler said:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/may/22/peter-dutton-firms-as-next-liberal-leader-amid-fight-over-future-of-the-partyRennick said that, rather than signing up to net zero, the party “should’ve fought the issue on cost of living again, to argue that are the most expensive power, like we did last time”.
The Coalition should argue for environmental protection “without believing in this notion that a rise of CO2 is the end of mankind”, he said.
Liberal senator Alex Antic said the Coalition must not adopt a more ambitious climate policy, claiming that would only backfire.
“In many cases the people were trying to appease the climate crowd – look what happens,” Antic told Sky News on Sunday morning.
“You throw the left and the climate crowd a bone and then they just use it to crack you on the head with later on.”
Antic appealed to his party colleagues to “push back on these globalist forces that are coming through and climate change is one of them”.
“We’ve got to drown out the Guardians, the ABCs – we didn’t do it when we were in power, we’re going to have to do it when we’re in opposition,” he said.
They don’t seem to get it. Climate change doesn’t give a fuck about political ideology.
Yep, seeing they were kicked to the gutter by independents who stood for climate action seems they still want the same old same old.
party_pants said:
Bogsnorkler said:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/may/22/peter-dutton-firms-as-next-liberal-leader-amid-fight-over-future-of-the-partyRennick said that, rather than signing up to net zero, the party “should’ve fought the issue on cost of living again, to argue that are the most expensive power, like we did last time”.
The Coalition should argue for environmental protection “without believing in this notion that a rise of CO2 is the end of mankind”, he said.
Liberal senator Alex Antic said the Coalition must not adopt a more ambitious climate policy, claiming that would only backfire.
“In many cases the people were trying to appease the climate crowd – look what happens,” Antic told Sky News on Sunday morning.
“You throw the left and the climate crowd a bone and then they just use it to crack you on the head with later on.”
Antic appealed to his party colleagues to “push back on these globalist forces that are coming through and climate change is one of them”.
“We’ve got to drown out the Guardians, the ABCs – we didn’t do it when we were in power, we’re going to have to do it when we’re in opposition,” he said.
They don’t seem to get it. Climate change doesn’t give a fuck about political ideology.
that’s the nub of it.
Bogsnorkler said:
party_pants said:
Bogsnorkler said:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/may/22/peter-dutton-firms-as-next-liberal-leader-amid-fight-over-future-of-the-partyRennick said that, rather than signing up to net zero, the party “should’ve fought the issue on cost of living again, to argue that are the most expensive power, like we did last time”.
The Coalition should argue for environmental protection “without believing in this notion that a rise of CO2 is the end of mankind”, he said.
Liberal senator Alex Antic said the Coalition must not adopt a more ambitious climate policy, claiming that would only backfire.
“In many cases the people were trying to appease the climate crowd – look what happens,” Antic told Sky News on Sunday morning.
“You throw the left and the climate crowd a bone and then they just use it to crack you on the head with later on.”
Antic appealed to his party colleagues to “push back on these globalist forces that are coming through and climate change is one of them”.
“We’ve got to drown out the Guardians, the ABCs – we didn’t do it when we were in power, we’re going to have to do it when we’re in opposition,” he said.
They don’t seem to get it. Climate change doesn’t give a fuck about political ideology.
Yep, seeing they were kicked to the gutter by independents who stood for climate action seems they still want the same old same old.
They just don’t want to accept defeat.
roughbarked said:
Bogsnorkler said:
party_pants said:They don’t seem to get it. Climate change doesn’t give a fuck about political ideology.
Yep, seeing they were kicked to the gutter by independents who stood for climate action seems they still want the same old same old.
They just don’t want to accept defeat.
They don’t want to accept reality. That’s why they lost.
Well since no one is interested in this topic I’ll say no more about it.
Bogsnorkler said:
:)
In 2013 I posted about how there were so many non-Classic divisions there were (11). These are divisions in which the final count is not between the ALP and the Coalition. They kind of thwart two-party analysis.
This year there are going to be 24.
party_pants said:
Bogsnorkler said:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/may/22/peter-dutton-firms-as-next-liberal-leader-amid-fight-over-future-of-the-partyRennick said that, rather than signing up to net zero, the party “should’ve fought the issue on cost of living again, to argue that are the most expensive power, like we did last time”.
The Coalition should argue for environmental protection “without believing in this notion that a rise of CO2 is the end of mankind”, he said.
Liberal senator Alex Antic said the Coalition must not adopt a more ambitious climate policy, claiming that would only backfire.
“In many cases the people were trying to appease the climate crowd – look what happens,” Antic told Sky News on Sunday morning.
“You throw the left and the climate crowd a bone and then they just use it to crack you on the head with later on.”
Antic appealed to his party colleagues to “push back on these globalist forces that are coming through and climate change is one of them”.
“We’ve got to drown out the Guardians, the ABCs – we didn’t do it when we were in power, we’re going to have to do it when we’re in opposition,” he said.
They don’t seem to get it. Climate change doesn’t give a fuck about political ideology.
They also don’t seem to realise that they’ve won nearly all the genuinely conservative seats, and it wasn’t enough to win government.
So their strategy is going to require them to somehow “create” many more conservative Australians than currently exist.
dv said:
In 2013 I posted about how there were so many non-Classic divisions there were (11). These are divisions in which the final count is not between the ALP and the Coalition. They kind of thwart two-party analysis.This year there are going to be 24.
That’s ominous.
dv said:
Well since no one is interested in this topic I’ll say no more about it.
Hehehehe
Barrie Cassidy had a similar reaction to the ABC coverage as I did.
dv said:
Barrie Cassidy had a similar reaction to the ABC coverage as I did.
I suppose because they’ve had so many years analysing the Coalition while regarding Labor as a sideshow, it’ll take more than one night to adjust their bearings.
Bubblecar said:
party_pants said:
Bogsnorkler said:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/may/22/peter-dutton-firms-as-next-liberal-leader-amid-fight-over-future-of-the-partyRennick said that, rather than signing up to net zero, the party “should’ve fought the issue on cost of living again, to argue that are the most expensive power, like we did last time”.
The Coalition should argue for environmental protection “without believing in this notion that a rise of CO2 is the end of mankind”, he said.
Liberal senator Alex Antic said the Coalition must not adopt a more ambitious climate policy, claiming that would only backfire.
“In many cases the people were trying to appease the climate crowd – look what happens,” Antic told Sky News on Sunday morning.
“You throw the left and the climate crowd a bone and then they just use it to crack you on the head with later on.”
Antic appealed to his party colleagues to “push back on these globalist forces that are coming through and climate change is one of them”.
“We’ve got to drown out the Guardians, the ABCs – we didn’t do it when we were in power, we’re going to have to do it when we’re in opposition,” he said.
They don’t seem to get it. Climate change doesn’t give a fuck about political ideology.
They also don’t seem to realise that they’ve won nearly all the genuinely conservative seats, and it wasn’t enough to win government.
So their strategy is going to require them to somehow “create” many more conservative Australians than currently exist.
Good scenario would be if the Teals expand their territory and become the major opposition party in 2025, and the Spudniks just kind of fade away like the Democrats did or become just another party of the loonie right like UAP or One Nation.
dv said:
Barrie Cassidy had a similar reaction to the ABC coverage as I did.
I don’t think they fully understood what was happening on front of their eyes.
dv said:
Bubblecar said:
party_pants said:They don’t seem to get it. Climate change doesn’t give a fuck about political ideology.
They also don’t seem to realise that they’ve won nearly all the genuinely conservative seats, and it wasn’t enough to win government.
So their strategy is going to require them to somehow “create” many more conservative Australians than currently exist.
Good scenario would be if the Teals expand their territory and become the major opposition party in 2025, and the Spudniks just kind of fade away like the Democrats did or become just another party of the loonie right like UAP or One Nation.
Spudniks, that’s a good one.
party_pants said:
dv said:
Barrie Cassidy had a similar reaction to the ABC coverage as I did.
I don’t think they fully understood what was happening on front of their eyes.
I agree. Antony was quite stunned at the way the election was going and this affected all in the room.
Kingy said:
roughbarked said:
Bogsnorkler said:Yep, seeing they were kicked to the gutter by independents who stood for climate action seems they still want the same old same old.
They just don’t want to accept defeat.
They don’t want to accept reality. That’s why they lost.
True.
But there was some of the FOX News type refusal to comment on what they were seeing happen. Like it wasn’t in the script.
sibeen said:
party_pants said:
dv said:
Barrie Cassidy had a similar reaction to the ABC coverage as I did.
I don’t think they fully understood what was happening on front of their eyes.
I agree. Antony was quite stunned at the way the election was going and this affected all in the room.
Don’t know why. The Labor win was completely in line with polling, as were the abundant Teal pickups.
Actually I think the polling industry will be breathing a sigh of relief. The seat polling was right on the money, and it seems the final 2pp will be around 52.3 – 47.7 (compared to final polling average of 53.5 -46.5). A 1.2% polling miss is well within acceptable bounds. Queensland had a smaller swing than expected, WA a bigger swing than expected, but it balanced out.
sibeen said:
party_pants said:
dv said:
Barrie Cassidy had a similar reaction to the ABC coverage as I did.
I don’t think they fully understood what was happening on front of their eyes.
I agree. Antony was quite stunned at the way the election was going and this affected all in the room.
Nobody expects the SPANISH INQUISITION!
dv said:
Well since no one is interested in this topic I’ll say no more about it.
Pf…t
Case example for why I like he NZ mixed member proportional system…
Someone close to me had a big run in with ALP member for Perth Patrick Gorman. She was doing promotional work for the Bell Tower and he made a few statements to the media about how pathetic is and we need a better icon etc, and they had an altercation. So it is partly personal but partly she doesn’t think hes a good representative for Perth. Even though she gave ALP a good position in the Senate and was happy with ALP winning government, she just couldn’t bring herself to vote for Gorman and put him third from the bottom in the House ballot, below the Libs.
In the NZ system she’d still be able to vote Labor without supporting Gorman.
Bogsnorkler said:
dv said:
Well since no one is interested in this topic I’ll say no more about it.
Pf…t
Heh
dv said:
Case example for why I like he NZ mixed member proportional system…Someone close to me had a big run in with ALP member for Perth Patrick Gorman. She was doing promotional work for the Bell Tower and he made a few statements to the media about how pathetic is and we need a better icon etc, and they had an altercation. So it is partly personal but partly she doesn’t think hes a good representative for Perth. Even though she gave ALP a good position in the Senate and was happy with ALP winning government, she just couldn’t bring herself to vote for Gorman and put him third from the bottom in the House ballot, below the Libs.
In the NZ system she’d still be able to vote Labor without supporting Gorman.
Probably a good idea.
sibeen said:
I agree. Antony was quite stunned at the way the election was going and this affected all in the room.
Was he/were they expecting another ‘miracle’ for Scotty and the L/NP?
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Case example for why I like he NZ mixed member proportional system…Someone close to me had a big run in with ALP member for Perth Patrick Gorman. She was doing promotional work for the Bell Tower and he made a few statements to the media about how pathetic is and we need a better icon etc, and they had an altercation. So it is partly personal but partly she doesn’t think hes a good representative for Perth. Even though she gave ALP a good position in the Senate and was happy with ALP winning government, she just couldn’t bring herself to vote for Gorman and put him third from the bottom in the House ballot, below the Libs.
In the NZ system she’d still be able to vote Labor without supporting Gorman.
Probably a good idea.
Interesting idea.
You can vote for the party, but say that you think the candidate in your electorate is an arse?
captain_spalding said:
sibeen said:I agree. Antony was quite stunned at the way the election was going and this affected all in the room.
Was he/were they expecting another ‘miracle’ for Scotty and the L/NP?
No. I expect that he wasn’t quite prepared for both parties to lose so much and the ‘other’ to win so much.
captain_spalding said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Case example for why I like he NZ mixed member proportional system…Someone close to me had a big run in with ALP member for Perth Patrick Gorman. She was doing promotional work for the Bell Tower and he made a few statements to the media about how pathetic is and we need a better icon etc, and they had an altercation. So it is partly personal but partly she doesn’t think hes a good representative for Perth. Even though she gave ALP a good position in the Senate and was happy with ALP winning government, she just couldn’t bring herself to vote for Gorman and put him third from the bottom in the House ballot, below the Libs.
In the NZ system she’d still be able to vote Labor without supporting Gorman.
Probably a good idea.
Interesting idea.
You can vote for the party, but say that you think the candidate in your electorate is an arse?
I’ll vote you lot in if you replace that arse with a better one.
I am pretty sure I have described my “Brewster” system here before?
Dark Orange said:
I am pretty sure I have described my “Brewster” system here before?
Does it involve beer?
captain_spalding said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Case example for why I like he NZ mixed member proportional system…Someone close to me had a big run in with ALP member for Perth Patrick Gorman. She was doing promotional work for the Bell Tower and he made a few statements to the media about how pathetic is and we need a better icon etc, and they had an altercation. So it is partly personal but partly she doesn’t think hes a good representative for Perth. Even though she gave ALP a good position in the Senate and was happy with ALP winning government, she just couldn’t bring herself to vote for Gorman and put him third from the bottom in the House ballot, below the Libs.
In the NZ system she’d still be able to vote Labor without supporting Gorman.
Probably a good idea.
Interesting idea.
You can vote for the party, but say that you think the candidate in your electorate is an arse?
You have two ballots: the electorate vote and the party vote.
The electorate vote is to elect the representative for your division. The party vote is what is used to determine the proportional representation. So after all the electorate vote representatives are worked out, the numbers are topped up to make sure that the final representation is proportional to the party vote.
captain_spalding said:
sibeen said:I agree. Antony was quite stunned at the way the election was going and this affected all in the room.
Was he/were they expecting another ‘miracle’ for Scotty and the L/NP?
the second coming?
dv said:
You have two ballots: the electorate vote and the party vote.
The electorate vote is to elect the representative for your division. The party vote is what is used to determine the proportional representation. So after all the electorate vote representatives are worked out, the numbers are topped up to make sure that the final representation is proportional to the party vote.
Ok, i’ll have to read up on that.
Too tired tonight to work it out.
dv said:
captain_spalding said:
Bubblecar said:Probably a good idea.
Interesting idea.
You can vote for the party, but say that you think the candidate in your electorate is an arse?
You have two ballots: the electorate vote and the party vote.
The electorate vote is to elect the representative for your division. The party vote is what is used to determine the proportional representation. So after all the electorate vote representatives are worked out, the numbers are topped up to make sure that the final representation is proportional to the party vote.
What if Gorman (or the politician you dislike most) was top of the list of candidates to fill the ALP’s PR quota?
captain_spalding said:
Dark Orange said:I am pretty sure I have described my “Brewster” system here before?
Does it involve beer?
No, but it is an electoral system that encourages honesty and competence. I am pretty sure I have a copy somewhere, hang on…
Dark Orange said:
captain_spalding said:
Dark Orange said:I am pretty sure I have described my “Brewster” system here before?
Does it involve beer?
No, but it is an electoral system that encourages honesty and competence. I am pretty sure I have a copy somewhere, hang on…
But…beer?
‘…encourages honesty and competence.’
Well, there’s your problem.
captain_spalding said:
Dark Orange said:
captain_spalding said:Does it involve beer?
No, but it is an electoral system that encourages honesty and competence. I am pretty sure I have a copy somewhere, hang on…
But…beer?
Which electoral system works without beer?
captain_spalding said:
‘…encourages honesty and competence.’Well, there’s your problem.
Yeah nah. That would never work here.
captain_spalding said:
Dark Orange said:
captain_spalding said:Does it involve beer?
No, but it is an electoral system that encourages honesty and competence. I am pretty sure I have a copy somewhere, hang on…
But…beer?
The Brewster system:
All interested parties present their Champion to vie for the position of Supreme Leader and the Champions and their policies are scrutenised and analysed before the election.
All champions are listed on a ballot along with a “None of the above” option and the winner gets to be supreme leader. However, if the “None of the above” option gets the most votes, the champions are stood down and a new election is called and the process is repeated.
In addition, there is a simple outgoing poll – “Did the Supreme leader do a good job”. If more than 50% of the voting public decide they didn’t, then the outgoing Supreme Leader along with any failed Champions are taken out the back and shot.
This system will either give us a leader with good policies and an incentive to make good on those policies, or a large number of dead politicians.
Win:Win situation.
Dark Orange said:
captain_spalding said:
Dark Orange said:No, but it is an electoral system that encourages honesty and competence. I am pretty sure I have a copy somewhere, hang on…
But…beer?
The Brewster system:
All interested parties present their Champion to vie for the position of Supreme Leader and the Champions and their policies are scrutenised and analysed before the election.
All champions are listed on a ballot along with a “None of the above” option and the winner gets to be supreme leader. However, if the “None of the above” option gets the most votes, the champions are stood down and a new election is called and the process is repeated.
In addition, there is a simple outgoing poll – “Did the Supreme leader do a good job”. If more than 50% of the voting public decide they didn’t, then the outgoing Supreme Leader along with any failed Champions are taken out the back and shot.
This system will either give us a leader with good policies and an incentive to make good on those policies, or a large number of dead politicians.
Win:Win situation.
Sounds like something Moll would propose.
Bogsnorkler said:
We saw that earlier.
party_pants said:
dv said:
captain_spalding said:Interesting idea.
You can vote for the party, but say that you think the candidate in your electorate is an arse?
You have two ballots: the electorate vote and the party vote.
The electorate vote is to elect the representative for your division. The party vote is what is used to determine the proportional representation. So after all the electorate vote representatives are worked out, the numbers are topped up to make sure that the final representation is proportional to the party vote.
What if Gorman (or the politician you dislike most) was top of the list of candidates to fill the ALP’s PR quota?
It’s a separate list
imagine a system where people advocate for policy rather than person andor personality
roughbarked said:
Kingy said:
roughbarked said:
They just don’t want to accept defeat.
They don’t want to accept reality. That’s why they lost.
True.
wait so Corruption are an invasion force from East Ukraine who would have thought
Murdoch press still trying to make Albopm look cool
SCIENCE said:
imagine a system where people advocate for policy rather than person andor personality
I’m very much in favour of some direct democracy
Bubblecar said:
party_pants said:
Bogsnorkler said:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/may/22/peter-dutton-firms-as-next-liberal-leader-amid-fight-over-future-of-the-party
Rennick said that, rather than signing up to net zero, the party “should’ve fought the issue on cost of living again, to argue that are the most expensive power, like we did last time”.
The Coalition should argue for environmental protection “without believing in this notion that a rise of CO2 is the end of mankind”, he said.
Liberal senator Alex Antic said the Coalition must not adopt a more ambitious climate policy, claiming that would only backfire.
“In many cases the people were trying to appease the climate crowd – look what happens,” Antic told Sky News on Sunday morning.
“You throw the left and the climate crowd a bone and then they just use it to crack you on the head with later on.”
Antic appealed to his party colleagues to “push back on these globalist forces that are coming through and climate change is one of them”.
“We’ve got to drown out the Guardians, the ABCs – we didn’t do it when we were in power, we’re going to have to do it when we’re in opposition,” he said.
They don’t seem to get it. Climate change doesn’t give a fuck about political ideology.
They also don’t seem to realise that they’ve won nearly all the genuinely conservative seats, and it wasn’t enough to win government.
So their strategy is going to require them to somehow “create” many more conservative Australians than currently exist.
we like this part
“You throw the left and the climate crowd a bone and then they just use it to crack you on the head with later on.”
clearly a genuine concern about the important and pressing issues
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
imagine a system where people advocate for policy rather than person andor personality
I’m very much in favour of some direct democracy
How to become more Zen and transform your life
captain_spalding said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Albanese, dog strangler
Vote Labor, or the pooch gets it.
ah, the counterpoint to Corruption’s “reelect us or we go full Nazi” as Bubblecar appropriately puts it
also wonder which park that is
dv said:
Murdoch press still trying to make Albopm look cool
Rupert’s attempts at bitchiness get sillier by the day.
Still salty
dv said:
party_pants said:
dv said:You have two ballots: the electorate vote and the party vote.
The electorate vote is to elect the representative for your division. The party vote is what is used to determine the proportional representation. So after all the electorate vote representatives are worked out, the numbers are topped up to make sure that the final representation is proportional to the party vote.
What if Gorman (or the politician you dislike most) was top of the list of candidates to fill the ALP’s PR quota?
It’s a separate list
But the list is not secret. Surely you know in advance who the party will choose to fill their quota of the seats elected by proportional representation? They’d publish a list or something.
So, if the politician you dislike personally is on the PR ticket, you can’t give that party your party vote because it would help him get elected. Even if the others on the party ticket are worthy.
The system only works if the politician you personally dislike is standing for an electorate seat and not if they are on the PR ticket.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Murdoch press still trying to make Albopm look cool
Rupert’s attempts at bitchiness get sillier by the day.
He is only bolstering Albo’s popularity with that sort of stuff. He would have been very young during the Republic ref.
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
imagine a system where people advocate for policy rather than person andor personality
I’m very much in favour of some direct democracy
And we went someway towards it yesterday.
Hey how did Campbell Newman’s Senate run go?
Oh well
dv said:
Hey how did Campbell Newman’s Senate run go?
Oh well
These minor weirdo party candidates never seem to ask themselves: “In real life, how many Australians are likely to agree with the crap we’re offering?”
Bubblecar said:
dv said:Hey how did Campbell Newman’s Senate run go?
Oh well
These minor weirdo party candidates never seem to ask themselves: “In real life, how many Australians are likely to agree with the crap we’re offering?”
truth is the Liberals didn’t really do that either.
sarahs mum said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:Hey how did Campbell Newman’s Senate run go?
Oh well
These minor weirdo party candidates never seem to ask themselves: “In real life, how many Australians are likely to agree with the crap we’re offering?”
truth is the Liberals didn’t really do that either.
They thought they could just rely on swaying the dum-dums with brilliant rhetoric like “There’s a hole in your bucket dear Labor dear Labor” etc.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:Hey how did Campbell Newman’s Senate run go?
Oh well
These minor weirdo party candidates never seem to ask themselves: “In real life, how many Australians are likely to agree with the crap we’re offering?”
They might be doing so now. The numbers don’t lie. With compulsory voting there is no “silent majority” lurking out there just waiting for the right politician to pop up and say the things they want to hear.
If anything, the independents are the ones who popped up with a message that resonated with what the voters wanted.
I really hope the fringe and far right groups understand that they are the outliers out of step with what the public want.
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
Bubblecar said:These minor weirdo party candidates never seem to ask themselves: “In real life, how many Australians are likely to agree with the crap we’re offering?”
truth is the Liberals didn’t really do that either.
They thought they could just rely on swaying the dum-dums with brilliant rhetoric like “There’s a hole in your bucket dear Labor dear Labor” etc.
I wanted to kill that ad. so wrong.
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
Bubblecar said:These minor weirdo party candidates never seem to ask themselves: “In real life, how many Australians are likely to agree with the crap we’re offering?”
truth is the Liberals didn’t really do that either.
They thought they could just rely on swaying the dum-dums with brilliant rhetoric like “There’s a hole in your bucket dear Labor dear Labor” etc.
While conveniently overlooking the $500B hole in their own budgets over the last 6 years.
Dark Orange said:
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:truth is the Liberals didn’t really do that either.
They thought they could just rely on swaying the dum-dums with brilliant rhetoric like “There’s a hole in your bucket dear Labor dear Labor” etc.
While conveniently overlooking the $500B hole in their own budgets over the last 6 years.
that ‘s certainly part of why it made me angry,
sarahs mum said:
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:truth is the Liberals didn’t really do that either.
They thought they could just rely on swaying the dum-dums with brilliant rhetoric like “There’s a hole in your bucket dear Labor dear Labor” etc.
I wanted to kill that ad. so wrong.
We got more local flavour ads. Firstly the ALP reminding everyone that Morrison joined Clive Palmer’s case against the border restrictions. Then the Libs came back with Albanese voted in favour of the mining tax way back when he was a minister in the Rudd and Gillard governments. They both really tried to play the state parochialism thing hard.
Postals are coming in quite Labory.
Gotta love nerds
dv said:
Gotta love nerds
Yeah, that’s a shock. Brunswick abuts Melbourne.
I live just over 500m North of Moreland Road :)
sibeen said:
dv said:
Gotta love nerds
Yeah, that’s a shock. Brunswick abuts Melbourne.
I live just over 500m North of Moreland Road :)
It may be just because I live in the area, but fuck, put North and South on the Y axis and this would make much more sense.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:Hey how did Campbell Newman’s Senate run go?
Oh well
These minor weirdo party candidates never seem to ask themselves: “In real life, how many Australians are likely to agree with the crap we’re offering?”
It doesn’t seem to fit together in Australia. Sure in America, the democrats are the liberals but not the same here.
roughbarked said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:Hey how did Campbell Newman’s Senate run go?
Oh well
These minor weirdo party candidates never seem to ask themselves: “In real life, how many Australians are likely to agree with the crap we’re offering?”
It doesn’t seem to fit together in Australia. Sure in America, the democrats are the liberals but not the same here.
always worth dangling the bait out there though
dv said:
Postals are coming in quite Labory.
yeah people we know who did told us this was their tendency
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:
Bubblecar said:They thought they could just rely on swaying the dum-dums with brilliant rhetoric like “There’s a hole in your bucket dear Labor dear Labor” etc.
I wanted to kill that ad. so wrong.
We got more local flavour ads. Firstly the ALP reminding everyone that Morrison joined Clive Palmer’s case against the border restrictions. Then the Libs came back with Albanese voted in favour of the mining tax way back when he was a minister in the Rudd and Gillard governments. They both really tried to play the state parochialism thing hard.
we got the full spectrum, it was most infuriating
but to us, it was infuriating because of the right lies and the left allegations
no bias
party_pants said:
I really hope the fringe and far right groups understand that they are the outliers out of step with what the public want.
the brilliant thing is that they can’t even argue that it’s due to a lack of education and world awareness because actually they’re against all that too
sarahs mum said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:Hey how did Campbell Newman’s Senate run go?
Oh well
These minor weirdo party candidates never seem to ask themselves: “In real life, how many Australians are likely to agree with the crap we’re offering?”
truth is the Liberals didn’t really do that either.
sure but after the 2019 What The Fuck Federal election, why would they even feel they needed to
SCIENCE said:
sarahs mum said:
Bubblecar said:These minor weirdo party candidates never seem to ask themselves: “In real life, how many Australians are likely to agree with the crap we’re offering?”
truth is the Liberals didn’t really do that either.
sure but after the 2019 What The
FuckFederal election, why would they even feel they needed to
Power corrupts and absolute power absolutely corrupts. There is no way out of that spiral.
A government should seek to be empowered by the will of the people rather than to attempt to bend the people to the will of government.
The first challenge facing Albanese is to restore Australia’s economy. Oh the irony. We go from the world’s greatest fiscal economists to: Mounting deficits, a mountain of debt, an overstimulated economy and ill-disciplined spending all await the incoming prime minister, who has a massive economic job on his hands, writes business editor Ian Verrender.
roughbarked said:
The first challenge facing Albanese is to restore Australia’s economy. Oh the irony. We go from the world’s greatest fiscal economists to: Mounting deficits, a mountain of debt, an overstimulated economy and ill-disciplined spending all await the incoming prime minister, who has a massive economic job on his hands, writes business editor Ian Verrender.
so it’s their fault
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
The first challenge facing Albanese is to restore Australia’s economy. Oh the irony. We go from the world’s greatest fiscal economists to: Mounting deficits, a mountain of debt, an overstimulated economy and ill-disciplined spending all await the incoming prime minister, who has a massive economic job on his hands, writes business editor Ian Verrender.
so it’s their fault
?
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
The first challenge facing Albanese is to restore Australia’s economy. Oh the irony. We go from the world’s greatest fiscal economists to: Mounting deficits, a mountain of debt, an overstimulated economy and ill-disciplined spending all await the incoming prime minister, who has a massive economic job on his hands, writes business editor Ian Verrender.
so it’s their fault
?
Do you mean us, the voters?
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
The first challenge facing Albanese is to restore Australia’s economy. Oh the irony. We go from the world’s greatest fiscal economists to: Mounting deficits, a mountain of debt, an overstimulated economy and ill-disciplined spending all await the incoming prime minister, who has a massive economic job on his hands, writes business editor Ian Verrender.
so it’s their fault
?
Do you mean us, the voters?
we mean now that the digging can happen, the problems they encounter on Labor’s watch can now be blamed on Labor, and everyone will buy that story too
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
so it’s their fault
?
Do you mean us, the voters?
we mean now that the digging can happen, the problems they encounter on Labor’s watch can now be blamed on Labor, and everyone will buy that story too
Absolutely. It will not be an easy task.
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:roughbarked said:
?
Do you mean us, the voters?
we mean now that the digging can happen, the problems they encounter on Labor’s watch can now be blamed on Labor, and everyone will buy that story too
Absolutely. It will not be an easy task.
Alabanese and his government need to make it clear to everyone, from the start, that it’s a huge task, influenced by world factors, and unlikely to be accomplished in one, or two, or even three terms of government.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:we mean now that the digging can happen, the problems they encounter on Labor’s watch can now be blamed on Labor, and everyone will buy that story too
Absolutely. It will not be an easy task.
Alabanese and his government need to make it clear to everyone, from the start, that it’s a huge task, influenced by world factors, and unlikely to be accomplished in one, or two, or even three terms of government.
Well at least they won’t be wasting time blaming the Liberals hopefully. Get on with the job, show the workings, be open and transparent.
dv said:
Postals are coming in quite Labory.
I wonder if this is because of the privacy of filling in your ballot at home. If your family is traditionally LNP but you want to vote otherwise that would be easier with a postal.
buffy said:
dv said:Postals are coming in quite Labory.
I wonder if this is because of the privacy of filling in your ballot at home. If your family is traditionally LNP but you want to vote otherwise that would be easier with a postal.
It sounds plausible.
buffy said:
dv said:Postals are coming in quite Labory.
I wonder if this is because of the privacy of filling in your ballot at home. If your family is traditionally LNP but you want to vote otherwise that would be easier with a postal.
You think?
Surely it would be easier to do something the family disapproved of at a polling booth.
My guess is that those whose minds are made up are more likely to vote early, and the rest are more likely to revert to their usual vote.
The Rev Dodgson said:
buffy said:
dv said:Postals are coming in quite Labory.
I wonder if this is because of the privacy of filling in your ballot at home. If your family is traditionally LNP but you want to vote otherwise that would be easier with a postal.
You think?
Surely it would be easier to do something the family disapproved of at a polling booth.
My guess is that those whose minds are made up are more likely to vote early, and the rest are more likely to revert to their usual vote.
I gather the increase in postal votes was large part inclined by dodging covid, or spreading it around
don’t mind me if that sounds like the obvious escaped me, call it my first derr today
transition said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
buffy said:I wonder if this is because of the privacy of filling in your ballot at home. If your family is traditionally LNP but you want to vote otherwise that would be easier with a postal.
You think?
Surely it would be easier to do something the family disapproved of at a polling booth.
My guess is that those whose minds are made up are more likely to vote early, and the rest are more likely to revert to their usual vote.
I gather the increase in postal votes was large part inclined by dodging covid, or spreading it around
don’t mind me if that sounds like the obvious escaped me, call it my first derr today
I gather that too, but it doesn’t explain the higher swing in the postal votes.
The Rev Dodgson said:
transition said:
The Rev Dodgson said:You think?
Surely it would be easier to do something the family disapproved of at a polling booth.
My guess is that those whose minds are made up are more likely to vote early, and the rest are more likely to revert to their usual vote.
I gather the increase in postal votes was large part inclined by dodging covid, or spreading it around
don’t mind me if that sounds like the obvious escaped me, call it my first derr today
I gather that too, but it doesn’t explain the higher swing in the postal votes.
i’m going slow, starting somewhere, with the obvious
The Rev Dodgson said:
transition said:
The Rev Dodgson said:You think?
Surely it would be easier to do something the family disapproved of at a polling booth.
My guess is that those whose minds are made up are more likely to vote early, and the rest are more likely to revert to their usual vote.
I gather the increase in postal votes was large part inclined by dodging covid, or spreading it around
don’t mind me if that sounds like the obvious escaped me, call it my first derr today
I gather that too, but it doesn’t explain the higher swing in the postal votes.
maybe those that postal voted are caring people, avoiding covid, and thus voted for others rather than the LNP.
Bogsnorkler said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
transition said:I gather the increase in postal votes was large part inclined by dodging covid, or spreading it around
don’t mind me if that sounds like the obvious escaped me, call it my first derr today
I gather that too, but it doesn’t explain the higher swing in the postal votes.
maybe those that postal voted are caring people, avoiding covid, and thus voted for others rather than the LNP.
maybe they’re the ones that have avoided it so far and retained a greater quantity of brain cells
Green has called the seat of Kooyong for Monique Ryan.
Mr Frydenberg has not conceded and believes a win is still possible from the postal votes, but Dr Ryan thinks that’s unlikely.
“It does seem pretty clear on the numbers this we’ve seen so far that the Treasurer has lost the seat of Kooyong and that I have won it,” she said.
SCIENCE said:
Bogsnorkler said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I gather that too, but it doesn’t explain the higher swing in the postal votes.
maybe those that postal voted are caring people, avoiding covid, and thus voted for others rather than the LNP.
maybe they’re the ones that have avoided it so far and retained a greater quantity of brain cells
how’s the i’ve-avoided-covid-so-far-superiority
humor alert
The Rev Dodgson said:
transition said:
The Rev Dodgson said:You think?
Surely it would be easier to do something the family disapproved of at a polling booth.
My guess is that those whose minds are made up are more likely to vote early, and the rest are more likely to revert to their usual vote.
I gather the increase in postal votes was large part inclined by dodging covid, or spreading it around
don’t mind me if that sounds like the obvious escaped me, call it my first derr today
I gather that too, but it doesn’t explain the higher swing in the postal votes.
LPITW…
A subset of the community think Covid is a hoax or no big deal. They are more likely to be UAP or One Nation voters, who will also be more likely to preference the Coalition over Labor. They are less likely to take precautions such as postal voting.
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
transition said:I gather the increase in postal votes was large part inclined by dodging covid, or spreading it around
don’t mind me if that sounds like the obvious escaped me, call it my first derr today
I gather that too, but it doesn’t explain the higher swing in the postal votes.
LPITW…
A subset of the community think Covid is a hoax or no big deal. They are more likely to be UAP or One Nation voters, who will also be more likely to preference the Coalition over Labor. They are less likely to take precautions such as postal voting.
it may not be all precautions directly as a consequence of covid, could also be reduced sociability, or less inclination to be in public places
transition said:
SCIENCE said:
Bogsnorkler said:maybe those that postal voted are caring people, avoiding covid, and thus voted for others rather than the LNP.
maybe they’re the ones that have avoided it so far and retained a greater quantity of brain cells
how’s the i’ve-avoided-covid-so-far-superiority
humor alert
it sux, people think we’re nutters with health phobia andor obsessive compulsive disorder, and potential friends end up rebuffed for all offers of gatherings for digestive tract orifice viewing and use
avoided isn’t even the best description of it, we encounter it pretty much most days, you know how things are in schools
sadder rather than humourer
I think 99% of conservatives will take this defeat stoically and consider that it’s just part of the cycle, we’ll get ‘em next time, maybe reflect on what can be learned.
And then there’s Sky News After Dark.
SCIENCE said:
transition said:
SCIENCE said:maybe they’re the ones that have avoided it so far and retained a greater quantity of brain cells
how’s the i’ve-avoided-covid-so-far-superiority
humor alert
it sux, people think we’re nutters with health phobia andor obsessive compulsive disorder, and potential friends end up rebuffed for all offers of gatherings for digestive tract orifice viewing and use
avoided isn’t even the best description of it, we encounter it pretty much most days, you know how things are in schools
sadder rather than humourer
on the otherside there is i’ve-had-covid-superiority
i’ve not experienced it yet, maybe it’s subtler than I can recognize
transition said:
SCIENCE said:
transition said:how’s the i’ve-avoided-covid-so-far-superiority
humor alert
it sux, people think we’re nutters with health phobia andor obsessive compulsive disorder, and potential friends end up rebuffed for all offers of gatherings for digestive tract orifice viewing and use
avoided isn’t even the best description of it, we encounter it pretty much most days, you know how things are in schools
sadder rather than humourer
on the otherside there is i’ve-had-covid-superiority
i’ve not experienced it yet, maybe it’s subtler than I can recognize
I don’t think your “superiority” analysis has much to do with any of this. Not everything everyone does is for show.
dv said:
transition said:
SCIENCE said:it sux, people think we’re nutters with health phobia andor obsessive compulsive disorder, and potential friends end up rebuffed for all offers of gatherings for digestive tract orifice viewing and use
avoided isn’t even the best description of it, we encounter it pretty much most days, you know how things are in schools
sadder rather than humourer
on the otherside there is i’ve-had-covid-superiority
i’ve not experienced it yet, maybe it’s subtler than I can recognize
I don’t think your “superiority” analysis has much to do with any of this. Not everything everyone does is for show.
yeah I was just having some humor with master science, don’t mind me, i’ll go make a coffee
transition said:
dv said:
transition said:on the otherside there is i’ve-had-covid-superiority
i’ve not experienced it yet, maybe it’s subtler than I can recognize
I don’t think your “superiority” analysis has much to do with any of this. Not everything everyone does is for show.
yeah I was just having some humor with master science, don’t mind me, i’ll go make a coffee
you’re all correct but we do suggest that after 10 years of populist power, people might be forgiven for feeling that many things are done for show
notwithstanding the culture in for example dUK andor USSA where image really is overriding in importance
aside on i’ve-had-covid-superiority we suppose it would have been a bigger thing were people not getting reinfected at 8 weeks and vaccines weren’t a thing
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After his election win, Albanese’s next challenge starts now — bringing the cross bench and a third of voters with him
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In any other decade, this would be a result that triggers talk of an existential crisis in the Labor Party.
Instead, Anthony Albanese becomes the 31st Prime Minister on a primary vote lower than Bill Shorten’s repeat electoral failure in 2019.
Remarkably, the ALP is the first party to win government from Opposition with declining primary support. Albanese appears likely to secure a majority in his own right
And while this will allow Albanese to claim a modest mandate on climate action, an integrity commission and childcare, his Liberal opponents are left a shattered mob with whole pews of its moderate wing obliterated from its fabled broad church.
It is likely that the 2022 election will go down as the moment the long-strained two-party system of government snapped.
The election result heralds a permanent structural change to Parliament. The old parties cannot be assured of control anymore, even if it’s been coming for a while.
The Greens have gnawed at the ALP’s left flank for decades. They will at least triple their number in the 47th Parliament, taking down a moderate Liberal along the way.
No wonder senior Liberal Simon Birmingham indicated a preference for the Liberals to live apart from the Nationals for a period.
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so it wasn’t 2 party after all, it was one party versus a coalition
oh and we’re sure we’ren’t the only ones who won’t be seeking asylum in Sri Lanka if the window has shifted and the two party system is made of Labor versus Green sorry
transition said:
dv said:
transition said:on the otherside there is i’ve-had-covid-superiority
i’ve not experienced it yet, maybe it’s subtler than I can recognize
I don’t think your “superiority” analysis has much to do with any of this. Not everything everyone does is for show.
yeah I was just having some humor with master science, don’t mind me, i’ll go make a coffee
Fair enough then.
SCIENCE said:
In any other decade, this would be a result that triggers talk of an existential crisis in the Labor Party.
Instead, Anthony Albanese becomes the 31st Prime Minister on a primary vote lower than Bill Shorten’s repeat electoral failure in 2019.
Remarkably, the ALP is the first party to win government from Opposition with declining primary support. Albanese appears likely to secure a majority in his own right
And while this will allow Albanese to claim a modest mandate on climate action, an integrity commission and childcare, his Liberal opponents are left a shattered mob with whole pews of its moderate wing obliterated from its fabled broad church.
It is likely that the 2022 election will go down as the moment the long-strained two-party system of government snapped.
The election result heralds a permanent structural change to Parliament. The old parties cannot be assured of control anymore, even if it’s been coming for a while.
The Greens have gnawed at the ALP’s left flank for decades. They will at least triple their number in the 47th Parliament, taking down a moderate Liberal along the way.
No wonder senior Liberal Simon Birmingham indicated a preference for the Liberals to live apart from the Nationals for a period.
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so it wasn’t 2 party after all, it was one party versus a coalition
oh and we’re sure we’ren’t the only ones who won’t be seeking asylum in Sri Lanka if the window has shifted and the two party system is made of Labor versus Green sorry
sorry about the shitty cut pasta, we blame the Italian prime minister
Anyway, whatever the reason for the swing to Labor in postal votes, I note that our mate Peter’s seat is only 2/3 counted, and he’s not that far ahead, so the coalition may yet have to appoint a human as their new leader.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Anyway, whatever the reason for the swing to Labor in postal votes, I note that our mate Peter’s seat is only 2/3 counted, and he’s not that far ahead, so the coalition may yet have to appoint a human as their new leader.
Please make the postals not go his way. Please please dear lord, if you were ever needed to answer a prayer then this is the moment.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Anyway, whatever the reason for the swing to Labor in postal votes, I note that our mate Peter’s seat is only 2/3 counted, and he’s not that far ahead, so the coalition may yet have to appoint a human as their new leader.
I can see that conservative voters are more committed to the traditions of voting, I mean in a way I am, if I think about physically attending as contrasted with voting online from home for example
going out to do it has some feel of public duty about it
I mean sure you can fulfill the public duty from home, but it’s not physically going out in public to do it
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Anyway, whatever the reason for the swing to Labor in postal votes, I note that our mate Peter’s seat is only 2/3 counted, and he’s not that far ahead, so the coalition may yet have to appoint a human as their new leader.Please make the postals not go his way. Please please dear lord, if you were ever needed to answer a prayer then this is the moment.
I’m not normally a praying man, but, if you’re out there, Superman…
transition said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Anyway, whatever the reason for the swing to Labor in postal votes, I note that our mate Peter’s seat is only 2/3 counted, and he’s not that far ahead, so the coalition may yet have to appoint a human as their new leader.I can see that conservative voters are more committed to the traditions of voting, I mean in a way I am, if I think about physically attending as contrasted with voting online from home for example
going out to do it has some feel of public duty about it
I mean sure you can fulfill the public duty from home, but it’s not physically going out in public to do it
ah you mean the conservatives are into virtue signalling
Okay I’m easily amused.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Anyway, whatever the reason for the swing to Labor in postal votes, I note that our mate Peter’s seat is only 2/3 counted, and he’s not that far ahead, so the coalition may yet have to appoint a human as their new leader.
Didn’t get the donkey vote, but got the potato vote instead?
SCIENCE said:
transition said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Anyway, whatever the reason for the swing to Labor in postal votes, I note that our mate Peter’s seat is only 2/3 counted, and he’s not that far ahead, so the coalition may yet have to appoint a human as their new leader.I can see that conservative voters are more committed to the traditions of voting, I mean in a way I am, if I think about physically attending as contrasted with voting online from home for example
going out to do it has some feel of public duty about it
I mean sure you can fulfill the public duty from home, but it’s not physically going out in public to do it
ah you mean the conservatives are into virtue signalling
yeah dunno if i’d attribute that more to conservatives, it could be true, I can’t say, it wouldn’t intrigue me if one side were demonstrably more so, it would be improbable they would be exactly the same anyway
transition said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Anyway, whatever the reason for the swing to Labor in postal votes, I note that our mate Peter’s seat is only 2/3 counted, and he’s not that far ahead, so the coalition may yet have to appoint a human as their new leader.I can see that conservative voters are more committed to the traditions of voting, I mean in a way I am, if I think about physically attending as contrasted with voting online from home for example
going out to do it has some feel of public duty about it
I mean sure you can fulfill the public duty from home, but it’s not physically going out in public to do it
I agree.
It’s a bit like reading a book rather than reading the words on a screen.
Tamb said:
transition said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Anyway, whatever the reason for the swing to Labor in postal votes, I note that our mate Peter’s seat is only 2/3 counted, and he’s not that far ahead, so the coalition may yet have to appoint a human as their new leader.
I can see that conservative voters are more committed to the traditions of voting, I mean in a way I am, if I think about physically attending as contrasted with voting online from home for example
going out to do it has some feel of public duty about it
I mean sure you can fulfill the public duty from home, but it’s not physically going out in public to do it
I agree.
It’s a bit like reading a book rather than reading the words on a screen.
What’s Wrong With An Audiobook
SCIENCE said:
Tamb said:
transition said:
I can see that conservative voters are more committed to the traditions of voting, I mean in a way I am, if I think about physically attending as contrasted with voting online from home for example
going out to do it has some feel of public duty about it
I mean sure you can fulfill the public duty from home, but it’s not physically going out in public to do it
I agree.
It’s a bit like reading a book rather than reading the words on a screen.
What’s Wrong With An Audiobook
From the ABC:
“Liberal MP Alan Tudge says former defence minister Peter Dutton will be the next leader of the Liberal Party.
Scott Morrison said he would resign as leader after the Coalition lost the election on Sunday night.
Mr Tudge says he expects a number of his colleagues to contest the deputy leadership, suggesting Michaelia Cash, Jane Hume and Sussan Ley would be capable of taking over that position.
When Mr Tudge was asked on Sky News who should replace Mr Morrison as leader, he said it will be Mr Dutton.
“Peter dutton will be leader. I think he will be incredibly effective, he has immense character and experience,” he said.
“We have deep values within the liberal party and I think we need to go back to those values.”“
I wonder if we might get rid of Alan Tudge as well.
Looking at the results, seems unlikely, but not totally impossible.
transition said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Anyway, whatever the reason for the swing to Labor in postal votes, I note that our mate Peter’s seat is only 2/3 counted, and he’s not that far ahead, so the coalition may yet have to appoint a human as their new leader.I can see that conservative voters are more committed to the traditions of voting, I mean in a way I am, if I think about physically attending as contrasted with voting online from home for example
going out to do it has some feel of public duty about it
I mean sure you can fulfill the public duty from home, but it’s not physically going out in public to do it
I can see that. It has that air of ceremony and duty to it that you do not get by doing it at home.
Dark Orange said:
transition said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Anyway, whatever the reason for the swing to Labor in postal votes, I note that our mate Peter’s seat is only 2/3 counted, and he’s not that far ahead, so the coalition may yet have to appoint a human as their new leader.
I can see that conservative voters are more committed to the traditions of voting, I mean in a way I am, if I think about physically attending as contrasted with voting online from home for example
going out to do it has some feel of public duty about it
I mean sure you can fulfill the public duty from home, but it’s not physically going out in public to do it
I can see that. It has that air of ceremony and duty to it that you do not get by doing it at home.
good point, All Good Conservatives know that women belong at home in the kitchen and only ceremonial public duties are honourable
The history of human congress is littered with the stories of men who wake up to Dear John letters after years of not listening properly when the women in their lives say they’re unhappy. But Scott Morrison – who received God knows how many final warnings from Australian women over the past year but chose every time to continue bulldozing happily along — seems to have achieved something novel, having unmistakably on Saturday night received a John Deere letter.
“At least Alan Tudge survived. That’s the important thing, I suppose,” quipped one ashen-faced Liberal on Saturday night. Tudge (the question of whose membership or otherwise of the cabinet has now been firmly settled by the Australian people) suffered a primary vote swing against him in Aston of about 11 per cent, but will make it out of this parched Death Valley of disapproval on his hands and knees, surviving on a malodorous cocktail of One Nation, Clive Palmer and Liberal Democrats preferences.
Morrison said he was sympathetic to the idea of a quota for the preselection of women in the Liberal Party. And then: Nothing. Preselections in his own state of NSW, as you may recall, devolved into an ugly, venal, factional dirt-fight among (largely) Liberal Party men determined not to let each other get the upper hand. The result? Many seats where the Liberal Party didn’t even select a candidate until the election (whose timing was, keep in mind, also set by the Prime Minister) in an epic act of rudeness and arrogance to voters in those seats.
But for a prime minister who promised $150m last election for the “Female Facilities And Water Safety Stream” to build much-needed change rooms for women in venues where only the blokes have showers and toilets, and then blew 80 per cent of that money on swimming pools for 11 Liberal and National electorates, the sudden conviction that the real problem for sporting women is the potential of a trans teammate is — well, a lot.
An analysis by the Financial Review at the one-month mark established that Morrison heavily favoured manufacturing locations for photo opportunities. Fifteen of those, compared to seven community events. Anthony Albanese, on the other hand, favoured photo-ops with health and care workers.
Liberal vote-druids briefed that “the trans stuff” was absolutely hoovering up votes in religious and socially conservative communities in Labor-held seats. Except that when the votes rolled in on Saturday night, there was very little evidence of anything of the kind. Is a nasty campaign tactic rendered even nastier by the fact that it didn’t work? I don’t know, but this little frolic — sponsored enthusiastically by Australia’s 30th Prime Minister — was an exercise in profound awfulness.
When Leigh Sales asked Scott Morrison in the final week about the threat to the government in the “teal” seats, he replied in effect that voters in those seats were rich enough not to have to worry about real issues. “Many of these places, I suppose, are less vulnerable to the impacts of the economy than, say, many of the places I’ve been in this campaign.” As we know, there’s nothing women love more than a bloke telling them they don’t know what they’re talking about. The response on election night to these sentiments was unmistakeable. And Scott Morrison, just over a year after he declared himself open to a quota system, has presided over a campaign that cut the number of Liberal female MPs in the house of representatives from 13 to 6.
It’s difficult not to feel sorry for the departing Liberal women and for the Liberal moderates who lost their seats on Saturday night. They were punished for a set of circumstances not of their making. But I suspect every time Tim Wilson or Josh Frydenberg or Jason Falinski screamed about how much money their opponents were spending, or complained about how unfair it all was on them, or moaned that teal posters were being stuck up everywhere, it made things worse not better. And every time the teal independents were attacked as vacuous, or hypocritical, or hapless pawns of a powerful man, that made things worse too, because they likely reminded the professional woman listening of a time when things like that have been said about her.
And the overriding message of this campaign isn’t really about Liberal or Labor. It’s that local communities are tired of political bullshit. They don’t want big parties to take their votes for granted — whether it’s parachuting a high-profile external candidate in at the last minute, or refusing to do anything about aircraft noise (a powerful local issue that seems to have cost both the majors in the Queensland seats of Brisbane, Griffith, Ryan and Dickson).
Are the right people listening?
as said nah they’re just going full Nazi
Jacqui and Tammy put paid to Erica:
Eric Abetz’s political career looks doomed, with Jacqui Lambie Network’s Tammy Tyrell set to take Senate spot
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-23/eric-abetz-tammy-tyrell-federal-election-senate-fight/101089720
Wondered what was going on at Gilmore, where there is a swing to Libs. Found this comment (from July last year):
“Labor will not hold Gilmore. They got lucky last time because the Liberal party put Mundine in place. Not only will they lose Gilmore but this won’t even be close
6-7% swing to the Liberal party based on COVID, voters here will reward Morrison and Berejiklian for keeping them safe.
What on earth has the sitting member done for the electorate for the past 3 years? I know someone who lives here and they said they heard nothing or saw nothing from her!”
Australian shares have opened higher on Monday, following the Labor Party’s election victory after nearly a decade out of power.
fuck what’s the point of even electing anyone or having policy or any of this democracy shit
when we can just look at the market to tell what is correct and what is wrong and what is up and what is down and what is truth
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/may/23/in-shock-and-anger-over-liberal-defeat-sky-news-commentators-urge-party-to-shift-right
Maybe it’s a Sydney centric thing coupled with the fact that I’ve never watched Sky news, but I’ve never heard of Paul Murray before.
SCIENCE said:
Very reasonable of Bob Katter to agree to it.
sibeen said:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/may/23/in-shock-and-anger-over-liberal-defeat-sky-news-commentators-urge-party-to-shift-rightMaybe it’s a Sydney centric thing coupled with the fact that I’ve never watched Sky news, but I’ve never heard of Paul Murray before.
I’ve never heard of Paul Murray before either, but certainly a male lead shift to the right is what the Liberal party should be doing in response to a female lead swing to the left in the votes.
sibeen said:
Maybe it’s a Sydney centric thing coupled with the fact that I’ve never watched Sky news, but I’ve never heard of Paul Murray before.
well as everyone knows every SHR operation halves their number so it might be a good thing
sibeen said:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/may/23/in-shock-and-anger-over-liberal-defeat-sky-news-commentators-urge-party-to-shift-rightMaybe it’s a Sydney centric thing coupled with the fact that I’ve never watched Sky news, but I’ve never heard of Paul Murray before.
you haven’t missed anything.
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/may/23/in-shock-and-anger-over-liberal-defeat-sky-news-commentators-urge-party-to-shift-rightMaybe it’s a Sydney centric thing coupled with the fact that I’ve never watched Sky news, but I’ve never heard of Paul Murray before.
I’ve never heard of Paul Murray before either, but certainly a male lead shift to the right is what the Liberal party should be doing in response to a female lead swing to the left in the votes.
Did you mean “male-led” and “female-led” or something else?
Very funny this morning listening to TripleM, Marty Sheargold couldn’t hold back his contempt for the Murdoch press
The Rev Dodgson said:
From the ABC:“Liberal MP Alan Tudge says former defence minister Peter Dutton will be the next leader of the Liberal Party.
Scott Morrison said he would resign as leader after the Coalition lost the election on Sunday night.
Mr Tudge says he expects a number of his colleagues to contest the deputy leadership, suggesting Michaelia Cash, Jane Hume and Sussan Ley would be capable of taking over that position.
When Mr Tudge was asked on Sky News who should replace Mr Morrison as leader, he said it will be Mr Dutton.
“Peter dutton will be leader. I think he will be incredibly effective, he has immense character and experience,” he said.
“We have deep values within the liberal party and I think we need to go back to those values.”“
I wonder if we might get rid of Alan Tudge as well.
Looking at the results, seems unlikely, but not totally impossible.
They still have no shortage of awful.
Michael V said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/may/23/in-shock-and-anger-over-liberal-defeat-sky-news-commentators-urge-party-to-shift-rightMaybe it’s a Sydney centric thing coupled with the fact that I’ve never watched Sky news, but I’ve never heard of Paul Murray before.
I’ve never heard of Paul Murray before either, but certainly a male lead shift to the right is what the Liberal party should be doing in response to a female lead swing to the left in the votes.
Did you mean “male-led” and “female-led” or something else?
Yes, that’s what I meant.
Element no. 82 has nothing to do with it :)
Witty Rejoinder said:
Very funny this morning listening to TripleM, Marty Sheargold couldn’t hold back his contempt for the Murdoch press
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I’ve never heard of Paul Murray before either, but certainly a male lead shift to the right is what the Liberal party should be doing in response to a female lead swing to the left in the votes.
Did you mean “male-led” and “female-led” or something else?
Yes, that’s what I meant.
Element no. 82 has nothing to do with it :)
get the lead out a lead with the right foot.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I’ve never heard of Paul Murray before either, but certainly a male lead shift to the right is what the Liberal party should be doing in response to a female lead swing to the left in the votes.
Did you mean “male-led” and “female-led” or something else?
Yes, that’s what I meant.
Element no. 82 has nothing to do with it :)
Tamb said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Very funny this morning listening to TripleM, Marty Sheargold couldn’t hold back his contempt for the Murdoch press
I imagine John Laws will be running for cover.
John Laws?
Oh yes, I think I heard of a John Laws once.
Surely he’s not still going?
Tamb said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:Did you mean “male-led” and “female-led” or something else?
Yes, that’s what I meant.
Element no. 82 has nothing to do with it :)
Unless they are plumbing the depths.
Well yes, there is that :)
The Rev Dodgson said:
Tamb said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Very funny this morning listening to TripleM, Marty Sheargold couldn’t hold back his contempt for the Murdoch press
I imagine John Laws will be running for cover.John Laws?
Oh yes, I think I heard of a John Laws once.
Surely he’s not still going?
I think he is just like Max Headroom these days, computer generated. He’s been dead for years afaik.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Tamb said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Very funny this morning listening to TripleM, Marty Sheargold couldn’t hold back his contempt for the Murdoch press
I imagine John Laws will be running for cover.John Laws?
Oh yes, I think I heard of a John Laws once.
Surely he’s not still going?
Tamb said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Tamb said:I imagine John Laws will be running for cover.
John Laws?
Oh yes, I think I heard of a John Laws once.
Surely he’s not still going?
I hear him on my way to & from Cairns. It’s the only station which gives clear coverage all the way.
Well I hope he’s matured a little in his later years :)
The Rev Dodgson said:
Tamb said:
The Rev Dodgson said:John Laws?
Oh yes, I think I heard of a John Laws once.
Surely he’s not still going?
I hear him on my way to & from Cairns. It’s the only station which gives clear coverage all the way.Well I hope he’s matured a little in his later years :)
Wilkie scored 69.5% of the vote.
sarahs mum said:
Wilkie scored 69.5% of the vote.
Reliably impressive.
Liberal frontbencher Anne Ruston is emerging as a possible deputy leader.
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nnnnn.
sarahs mum said:
Liberal frontbencher Anne Ruston is emerging as a possible deputy leader.
—-nnnnn.
I’m happy for them to choose the least attractive team.
sarahs mum said:
Liberal frontbencher Anne Ruston is emerging as a possible deputy leader.
—-nnnnn.
I know just about nothing about her.
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:
Liberal frontbencher Anne Ruston is emerging as a possible deputy leader.
—-nnnnn.
I know just about nothing about her.
you’ll be joining sibeen on the bench with that attitude.
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:
Liberal frontbencher Anne Ruston is emerging as a possible deputy leader.
—-nnnnn.
I know just about nothing about her.
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:
Liberal frontbencher Anne Ruston is emerging as a possible deputy leader.
—-nnnnn.
I know just about nothing about her.
She’s fervently anti-Medicare:
Anne Ruston defends past comments that Medicare ‘is not sustainable’ after PM names her as health minister if re-elected
…in December 2014, she told the Senate: “Everybody would like to think that we could go on in life with universal healthcare, with universal education and with all these wonderful things that over the last 20 years Australians have come to accept as a given. Unfortunately, the credit card is maxed out.”
Albanese said on Sunday Ruston “has made it very clear that, if we have election of the Morrison government, we will see more cuts to Medicare, more cuts to Medicare over the next three years”.
Labor’s Treasury spokesman Jim Chalmers said the appointment should “send a shiver down the spine of every Australian who relies on affordable healthcare”.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/apr/17/anne-ruston-defends-past-comments-that-medicare-is-not-sustainable-after-pm-names-her-as-health-minister-if-re-elected
SCIENCE said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-23/asx-australian-share-market-business-company-global-stock/101090948Australian shares have opened higher on Monday, following the Labor Party’s election victory after nearly a decade out of power.
fuck what’s the point of even electing anyone or having policy or any of this democracy shit
when we can just look at the market to tell what is correct and what is wrong and what is up and what is down and what is truth
Correlation does not mean causation in this case.
Bubblecar said:
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:
Liberal frontbencher Anne Ruston is emerging as a possible deputy leader.
—-nnnnn.
I know just about nothing about her.
She’s fervently anti-Medicare:
Anne Ruston defends past comments that Medicare ‘is not sustainable’ after PM names her as health minister if re-elected
…in December 2014, she told the Senate: “Everybody would like to think that we could go on in life with universal healthcare, with universal education and with all these wonderful things that over the last 20 years Australians have come to accept as a given. Unfortunately, the credit card is maxed out.”
Albanese said on Sunday Ruston “has made it very clear that, if we have election of the Morrison government, we will see more cuts to Medicare, more cuts to Medicare over the next three years”.
Labor’s Treasury spokesman Jim Chalmers said the appointment should “send a shiver down the spine of every Australian who relies on affordable healthcare”.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/apr/17/anne-ruston-defends-past-comments-that-medicare-is-not-sustainable-after-pm-names-her-as-health-minister-if-re-elected
OK.
It seems like the Liberal Party are going to maintain their tone-deafness and double-down on a set of values that is out of step with what the electorate wants and expects. The electorate is just not as right wing as they are, and isn’t buying into the agenda.
Bubblecar said:
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:
Liberal frontbencher Anne Ruston is emerging as a possible deputy leader.
—-nnnnn.
I know just about nothing about her.
She’s fervently anti-Medicare:
Anne Ruston defends past comments that Medicare ‘is not sustainable’ after PM names her as health minister if re-elected
…in December 2014, she told the Senate: “Everybody would like to think that we could go on in life with universal healthcare, with universal education and with all these wonderful things that over the last 20 years Australians have come to accept as a given. Unfortunately, the credit card is maxed out.”
Albanese said on Sunday Ruston “has made it very clear that, if we have election of the Morrison government, we will see more cuts to Medicare, more cuts to Medicare over the next three years”.
Labor’s Treasury spokesman Jim Chalmers said the appointment should “send a shiver down the spine of every Australian who relies on affordable healthcare”.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/apr/17/anne-ruston-defends-past-comments-that-medicare-is-not-sustainable-after-pm-names-her-as-health-minister-if-re-elected
Senator Ruston dismissed the idea of raising Newstart in the most callous of ways.
“We can’t just keep on adding money to this bucket, because we’re not making a difference,” she said. “Giving (people) more money would do absolutely nothing … probably all it would do is give drug dealers more money and give pubs more money.”
sarahs mum said:
Bubblecar said:
party_pants said:I know just about nothing about her.
She’s fervently anti-Medicare:
Anne Ruston defends past comments that Medicare ‘is not sustainable’ after PM names her as health minister if re-elected
…in December 2014, she told the Senate: “Everybody would like to think that we could go on in life with universal healthcare, with universal education and with all these wonderful things that over the last 20 years Australians have come to accept as a given. Unfortunately, the credit card is maxed out.”
Albanese said on Sunday Ruston “has made it very clear that, if we have election of the Morrison government, we will see more cuts to Medicare, more cuts to Medicare over the next three years”.
Labor’s Treasury spokesman Jim Chalmers said the appointment should “send a shiver down the spine of every Australian who relies on affordable healthcare”.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/apr/17/anne-ruston-defends-past-comments-that-medicare-is-not-sustainable-after-pm-names-her-as-health-minister-if-re-elected
Senator Ruston dismissed the idea of raising Newstart in the most callous of ways.
“We can’t just keep on adding money to this bucket, because we’re not making a difference,” she said. “Giving (people) more money would do absolutely nothing … probably all it would do is give drug dealers more money and give pubs more money.”
She’s a traditional privileged Tory sadist.
sarahs mum said:
Liberal frontbencher Anne Ruston is emerging as a possible deputy leader.
—-nnnnn.
They should put Julie Andrews in charge, hey what but.
So with “Ghoul from the Grave” Dutton and Anne “Rusted-on Bitch” as leader and deputy, hopefully the Libs will be presenting an unelectable face to the world for some time.
Bubblecar said:
So with “Ghoul from the Grave” Dutton and Anne “Rusted-on Bitch” as leader and deputy, hopefully the Libs will be presenting an unelectable face to the world for some time.
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
Liberal frontbencher Anne Ruston is emerging as a possible deputy leader.
—-nnnnn.
I’m happy for them to choose the least attractive team.
Me too.
Bubblecar said:
So with “Ghoul from the Grave” Dutton and Anne “Rusted-on Bitch” as leader and deputy, hopefully the Libs will be presenting an unelectable face to the world for some time.
I just needs the teal independents to coalesce and form a new centre-right party. Accept a few of the Liberal party moderates who want to defect and hey presto, they become the main opposition/alternative to Labor. The rump of the Liberals can then join with ON, LibDems and UAPs to become a marginalised party of the hard right.
sarahs mum said:
Senator Ruston dismissed the idea of raising Newstart in the most callous of ways.
“We can’t just keep on adding money to this bucket, because we’re not making a difference,” she said. “Giving (people) more money would do absolutely nothing … probably all it would do is give drug dealers more money and give pubs more money.”
To summarise: “filthy, stupid proles”.
party_pants said:
Bubblecar said:
So with “Ghoul from the Grave” Dutton and Anne “Rusted-on Bitch” as leader and deputy, hopefully the Libs will be presenting an unelectable face to the world for some time.
I just needs the teal independents to coalesce and form a new centre-right party. Accept a few of the Liberal party moderates who want to defect and hey presto, they become the main opposition/alternative to Labor. The rump of the Liberals can then join with ON, LibDems and UAPs to become a marginalised party of the hard right.
Eminently reasonable.
We had NewsRadio on in the car. It’s rather nice to hear politicians speaking calmly and gently rather than declaiming.
buffy said:
We had NewsRadio on in the car. It’s rather nice to hear politicians speaking calmly and gently rather than declaiming.
:)
sarahs mum said:
buffy said:
We had NewsRadio on in the car. It’s rather nice to hear politicians speaking calmly and gently rather than declaiming.
:)
Sort of like they don’t actually hate the people out there in Radioland?
a question for consideration… a lot of the independents have claimed that they represent their constituents in terms of the decisions they make moving forward in regards to assisting the ALP to form govt. This is fine and well, but the independents are now a group in their own right.. is it not their responsibility to think of all of Australia now in the decisions they make as opposed to just focusing on the well being of one small part of the country?
diddly-squat said:
a question for consideration… a lot of the independents have claimed that they represent their constituents in terms of the decisions they make moving forward in regards to assisting the ALP to form govt. This is fine and well, but the independents are now a group in their own right.. is it not their responsibility to think of all of Australia now in the decisions they make as opposed to just focusing on the well being of one small part of the country?
I guess that is an evolution that each independent will have to make or consider making at some point.
Looks like the ALP just cracked 76 seats, so it’ll be a majority government for them.
party_pants said:
diddly-squat said:a question for consideration… a lot of the independents have claimed that they represent their constituents in terms of the decisions they make moving forward in regards to assisting the ALP to form govt. This is fine and well, but the independents are now a group in their own right.. is it not their responsibility to think of all of Australia now in the decisions they make as opposed to just focusing on the well being of one small part of the country?
I guess that is an evolution that each independent will have to make or consider making at some point.
aren’t all pollies beholden to their constituents?
Bogsnorkler said:
party_pants said:
diddly-squat said:a question for consideration… a lot of the independents have claimed that they represent their constituents in terms of the decisions they make moving forward in regards to assisting the ALP to form govt. This is fine and well, but the independents are now a group in their own right.. is it not their responsibility to think of all of Australia now in the decisions they make as opposed to just focusing on the well being of one small part of the country?
I guess that is an evolution that each independent will have to make or consider making at some point.
aren’t all pollies beholden to their constituents?
They should be…House of “Representatives” and all that.
I see on the ABC blog that Josh Frydenberg has conceded.
This was on my facebook.
I don’t know what paper it is but I could guess.
sarahs mum said:
This was on my facebook.
I don’t know what paper it is but I could guess.
I’m surprised these people still have an audience.
sarahs mum said:
This was on my facebook.
I don’t know what paper it is but I could guess.
probably losing seats to Labor and green independents and maybe even to the Greens
Credlin, she’s super switched on.
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
This was on my facebook.
I don’t know what paper it is but I could guess.probably losing seats to Labor and green independents and maybe even to the Greens
Credlin, she’s super switched on.
should call herself Lin.
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
This was on my facebook.
I don’t know what paper it is but I could guess.probably losing seats to Labor and green independents and maybe even to the Greens
Credlin, she’s super switched on.
but it seems true enough, the damn right are a disaster all round
Bogsnorkler said:
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
This was on my facebook.
I don’t know what paper it is but I could guess.probably losing seats to Labor and green independents and maybe even to the Greens
Credlin, she’s super switched on.
should call herself Lin.
dis
Bogsnorkler said:
party_pants said:
diddly-squat said:a question for consideration… a lot of the independents have claimed that they represent their constituents in terms of the decisions they make moving forward in regards to assisting the ALP to form govt. This is fine and well, but the independents are now a group in their own right.. is it not their responsibility to think of all of Australia now in the decisions they make as opposed to just focusing on the well being of one small part of the country?
I guess that is an evolution that each independent will have to make or consider making at some point.
aren’t all pollies beholden to their constituents?
yes, but major parties govern for the country, not just their own electorates
Spiny Norman said:
Looks like the ALP just cracked 76 seats, so it’ll be a majority government for them.
Jolly good.
diddly-squat said:
Bogsnorkler said:
party_pants said:I guess that is an evolution that each independent will have to make or consider making at some point.
aren’t all pollies beholden to their constituents?
yes, but major parties govern for the country, not just their own electorates
But is the country more important than the wellbeing of the party?
Lyons is still held by Labor with a margin of only 833, but it may be enough.
diddly-squat said:
Bogsnorkler said:
party_pants said:I guess that is an evolution that each independent will have to make or consider making at some point.
aren’t all pollies beholden to their constituents?
yes, but major parties govern for the country, not just their own electorates
the values of the (most) independents seem to align with what the country wants.
diddly-squat said:
Bogsnorkler said:
party_pants said:I guess that is an evolution that each independent will have to make or consider making at some point.
aren’t all pollies beholden to their constituents?
yes, but major parties govern for the country, not just their own electorates
Yes. Eventually somebody has to.
Having a majority is obviously good for Labor because it enables them to run a coherent programme with minimal chance of sabotage by the Opposition.
But I suspect it’s also good for the independents. If they were given too much responsibility it would increase their chances of stuffing up and being voted out next election.
diddly-squat said:
Bogsnorkler said:
party_pants said:I guess that is an evolution that each independent will have to make or consider making at some point.
aren’t all pollies beholden to their constituents?
yes, but major parties govern for the country, not just their own electorates
PermeateFree said:
diddly-squat said:
Bogsnorkler said:
aren’t all pollies beholden to their constituents?
yes, but major parties govern for the country, not just their own electorates
But is the country more important than the wellbeing of the party?
We agree that a single party state has advantages¡
Sigh …
PHON, they think so highly of themselves. This is from the 18th, only five days ago.
SCIENCE said:
PermeateFree said:
diddly-squat said:
yes, but major parties govern for the country, not just their own electorates
But is the country more important than the wellbeing of the party?
We agree that a single party state has advantages¡
You have a habit of misinterpreting posts.
SCIENCE said:
PermeateFree said:
diddly-squat said:
yes, but major parties govern for the country, not just their own electorates
But is the country more important than the wellbeing of the party?
We agree that a single party state has advantages¡
Bubblecar said:
Spiny Norman said:
Looks like the ALP just cracked 76 seats, so it’ll be a majority government for them.
Jolly good.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/elections/federal/2022/results?filter=all&sort=az&state=all
but to be fair “leading” is not “declared”
PermeateFree said:
SCIENCE said:
PermeateFree said:
But is the country more important than the wellbeing of the party?
We agree that a single party state has advantages¡
You have a habit of misinterpreting posts.
today is a big day — we are agreeing with PermeateFree on consecutive posts
Spiny Norman said:
Sigh …
PHON, they think so highly of themselves. This is from the 18th, only five days ago.
Looks very Australian…
Former treasurer Josh Frydenberg has conceded defeat in the electorate of Kooyong in a video statement posted to his social media accounts.
buffy said:
I see on the ABC blog that Josh Frydenberg has conceded.
sorry we’re a bit slow
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-23/josh-frydenberg-concedes-defeat-in-seat-of-kooyong/101092120
that margin has grown
Ian said:
I would like this to be real.
AEC online tally room is back to 75 for ALP.
SCIENCE said:
Former treasurer Josh Frydenberg has conceded defeat in the electorate of Kooyong in a video statement posted to his social media accounts.
Goodbye, weasel.
sarahs mum said:
This was on my facebook.
I don’t know what paper it is but I could guess.
Reading that with a small image I thought it was a bit much, even for the Rupertpress.
Then I read the full size image and saw who the two authors were.
party_pants said:
AEC online tally room is back to 75 for ALP.
Says 76 for ALp when i look at it.
https://tallyroom.aec.gov.au/HouseDefault-27966.htm
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:
AEC online tally room is back to 75 for ALP.Says 76 for ALp when i look at it.
https://tallyroom.aec.gov.au/HouseDefault-27966.htm
ABC had 74 then went to 73 when I refreshed.
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:
AEC online tally room is back to 75 for ALP.Says 76 for ALp when i look at it.
https://tallyroom.aec.gov.au/HouseDefault-27966.htm
Been going up and down all day.
I Dickson I was dissapointed to see still only a 3% swing to Lab, in spite of an update 1 hour ago.
Then I noticed the vote count was exactly the same as yesterday morning (66.6%).
So there is yet hope.
The Rev Dodgson said:
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:
AEC online tally room is back to 75 for ALP.Says 76 for ALp when i look at it.
https://tallyroom.aec.gov.au/HouseDefault-27966.htm
ABC had 74 then went to 73 when I refreshed.
It’s misleading.
You look at one part of it, and you’d think ALP has 76, but another part tells you’ leading in 75 seats’
The Rev Dodgson said:
I Dickson I was dissapointed to see still only a 3% swing to Lab, in spite of an update 1 hour ago.Then I noticed the vote count was exactly the same as yesterday morning (66.6%).
So there is yet hope.
And so far, that dickhead Fraser Anning has NO VOTES AT ALL.
Listening to these zeebs saying that the Libs need to get back to their core policies … wtf are they actually on about? What aspect of their core ideology was absent from the Morrison administration?
Some Libs in fairness have a different idea.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-23/wa-liberals-blame-game-begins-after-federal-election-disaster/101091008
The Liberal Party has lurched too far to the right in its embrace of religious “fundamentalists” and “will die as a party” without serious reform according to a WA Liberal veteran, as party stalwarts round on each other in the wake of a dismal federal election
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-23/michaelia-cash-says-wa-border-move-hurt-liberals-in-election/101090066
Cash has been quick to point out she did not support backing Palmer’s legal challenge to the hard border
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:
AEC online tally room is back to 75 for ALP.Says 76 for ALp when i look at it.
https://tallyroom.aec.gov.au/HouseDefault-27966.htm
Should be noted that’s just a list of where the parties are leading, not a projection. The AEC leaves advanced psephology to others.
dv said:
Listening to these zeebs saying that the Libs need to get back to their core policies … wtf are they actually on about? What aspect of their core ideology was absent from the Morrison administration?Some Libs in fairness have a different idea.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-23/wa-liberals-blame-game-begins-after-federal-election-disaster/101091008
The Liberal Party has lurched too far to the right in its embrace of religious “fundamentalists” and “will die as a party” without serious reform according to a WA Liberal veteran, as party stalwarts round on each other in the wake of a dismal federal election
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-23/michaelia-cash-says-wa-border-move-hurt-liberals-in-election/101090066
Cash has been quick to point out she did not support backing Palmer’s legal challenge to the hard border
Having core values is all well and good. But if those are out of step with what the electorate hold as their own core values, then you ain’t gunna be forming government any time soon.
dv said:
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:
AEC online tally room is back to 75 for ALP.Says 76 for ALp when i look at it.
https://tallyroom.aec.gov.au/HouseDefault-27966.htm
Should be noted that’s just a list of where the parties are leading, not a projection. The AEC leaves advanced psephology to others.
ABC are back to 74 with 8 seats in doubt.
wasn’t wyatt the one who thought he should get a pay rise?
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
I Dickson I was dissapointed to see still only a 3% swing to Lab, in spite of an update 1 hour ago.Then I noticed the vote count was exactly the same as yesterday morning (66.6%).
So there is yet hope.
And so far, that dickhead Fraser Anning has NO VOTES AT ALL.
Perfect.
party_pants said:
dv said:
Listening to these zeebs saying that the Libs need to get back to their core policies … wtf are they actually on about? What aspect of their core ideology was absent from the Morrison administration?Some Libs in fairness have a different idea.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-23/wa-liberals-blame-game-begins-after-federal-election-disaster/101091008
The Liberal Party has lurched too far to the right in its embrace of religious “fundamentalists” and “will die as a party” without serious reform according to a WA Liberal veteran, as party stalwarts round on each other in the wake of a dismal federal election
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-23/michaelia-cash-says-wa-border-move-hurt-liberals-in-election/101090066
Cash has been quick to point out she did not support backing Palmer’s legal challenge to the hard borderHaving core values is all well and good. But if those are out of step with what the electorate hold as their own core values, then you ain’t gunna be forming government any time soon.
I think they have been listening to the republicans too much.
Bogsnorkler said:
party_pants said:
dv said:
Listening to these zeebs saying that the Libs need to get back to their core policies … wtf are they actually on about? What aspect of their core ideology was absent from the Morrison administration?Some Libs in fairness have a different idea.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-23/wa-liberals-blame-game-begins-after-federal-election-disaster/101091008
The Liberal Party has lurched too far to the right in its embrace of religious “fundamentalists” and “will die as a party” without serious reform according to a WA Liberal veteran, as party stalwarts round on each other in the wake of a dismal federal election
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-23/michaelia-cash-says-wa-border-move-hurt-liberals-in-election/101090066
Cash has been quick to point out she did not support backing Palmer’s legal challenge to the hard borderHaving core values is all well and good. But if those are out of step with what the electorate hold as their own core values, then you ain’t gunna be forming government any time soon.
I think they have been listening to the republicans too much.
Not sure what the abolition of an unelected monarchy has got to do with it.
This should give you the results for the polling booth I attended at Penshurst in the Wannon electorate. Dan Tehan was never going to lose here, but goodness, that’s quite a swing against him.
https://tallyroom.aec.gov.au/HousePollingPlaceFirstPrefs-27966-5032.htm
You can move around the site and find your own electorate and polling booth.
party_pants said:
Bogsnorkler said:
party_pants said:Having core values is all well and good. But if those are out of step with what the electorate hold as their own core values, then you ain’t gunna be forming government any time soon.
I think they have been listening to the republicans too much.
Not sure what the abolition of an unelected monarchy has got to do with it.
I see you have your smarty pants on.
Bogsnorkler said:
wasn’t wyatt the one who thought he should get a pay rise?
Yes
party_pants said:
Bogsnorkler said:
party_pants said:Having core values is all well and good. But if those are out of step with what the electorate hold as their own core values, then you ain’t gunna be forming government any time soon.
I think they have been listening to the republicans too much.
Not sure what the abolition of an unelected monarchy has got to do with it.
Yeah, that and whats it got to do with using a language thats never been approved by a government to be used in law or by a government to be used by the government in everything they do?
and everything the monarchy has said or written by using the English language is unconstitutional because no one approved it using a language.
an ironic situation.
This happened because no one considered it.
Bogsnorkler said:
party_pants said:
dv said:
Listening to these zeebs saying that the Libs need to get back to their core policies … wtf are they actually on about? What aspect of their core ideology was absent from the Morrison administration?Some Libs in fairness have a different idea.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-23/wa-liberals-blame-game-begins-after-federal-election-disaster/101091008
The Liberal Party has lurched too far to the right in its embrace of religious “fundamentalists” and “will die as a party” without serious reform according to a WA Liberal veteran, as party stalwarts round on each other in the wake of a dismal federal election
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-23/michaelia-cash-says-wa-border-move-hurt-liberals-in-election/101090066
Cash has been quick to point out she did not support backing Palmer’s legal challenge to the hard borderHaving core values is all well and good. But if those are out of step with what the electorate hold as their own core values, then you ain’t gunna be forming government any time soon.
I think they have been listening to the republicans too much.
Happily, it’s not like that here. We have fair boundaries, compulsory voting, preferences… you can’t win without the centre, no matter how excited your “base” is.
Tau.Neutrino said:
party_pants said:
Bogsnorkler said:I think they have been listening to the republicans too much.
Not sure what the abolition of an unelected monarchy has got to do with it.
Yeah, that and whats it got to do with using a language thats never been approved by a government to be used in law or by a government to be used by the government in everything they do?
and everything the monarchy has said or written by using the English language is unconstitutional because no one approved it using a language.
an ironic situation.
This happened because no one considered it.
I find this situation appalling.
buffy said:
Ian said:
I would like this to be real.
Roman numerals are acceptable (ie ‘i’ is counted as ‘1’, ‘ii’ is counted as ’2’, ‘iii’ is counted as ‘3’, ‘iv’ is counted as ‘4’, etc). An ‘X’ is only considered a Roman numeral and counted as 10 when in a sequence of other Roman numerals.
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
I Dickson I was dissapointed to see still only a 3% swing to Lab, in spite of an update 1 hour ago.Then I noticed the vote count was exactly the same as yesterday morning (66.6%).
So there is yet hope.
And so far, that dickhead Fraser Anning has NO VOTES AT ALL.
Last I heard he was living in the USA, a fugitive from Australian debt collectors or such.
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
captain_spalding said:Says 76 for ALp when i look at it.
https://tallyroom.aec.gov.au/HouseDefault-27966.htm
ABC had 74 then went to 73 when I refreshed.
It’s misleading.
You look at one part of it, and you’d think ALP has 76, but another part tells you’ leading in 75 seats’
Nah srsly though you are better off going to the ABC site and keeping an eye on the In Doubt list.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
party_pants said:Not sure what the abolition of an unelected monarchy has got to do with it.
Yeah, that and whats it got to do with using a language thats never been approved by a government to be used in law or by a government to be used by the government in everything they do?
and everything the monarchy has said or written by using the English language is unconstitutional because no one approved it using a language.
an ironic situation.
This happened because no one considered it.
I find this situation appalling.
The English language has never been approved for use.
Does anyone find that strange?
An oversight that keeps happening.
dv said:
What is Dutton the answer to?
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Yeah, that and whats it got to do with using a language thats never been approved by a government to be used in law or by a government to be used by the government in everything they do?
and everything the monarchy has said or written by using the English language is unconstitutional because no one approved it using a language.
an ironic situation.
This happened because no one considered it.
I find this situation appalling.
The English language has never been approved for use.
Does anyone find that strange?
An oversight that keeps happening.
Only you. And only under the influence.
Bubblecar said:
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
I Dickson I was dissapointed to see still only a 3% swing to Lab, in spite of an update 1 hour ago.Then I noticed the vote count was exactly the same as yesterday morning (66.6%).
So there is yet hope.
And so far, that dickhead Fraser Anning has NO VOTES AT ALL.
Last I heard he was living in the USA, a fugitive from Australian debt collectors or such.
A fugitive from nazi pursuers.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Bubblecar said:
captain_spalding said:And so far, that dickhead Fraser Anning has NO VOTES AT ALL.
Last I heard he was living in the USA, a fugitive from Australian debt collectors or such.
A fugitive from nazi pursuers.
?
Fraser Anning is himself a Nazi (more or less).
Tau.Neutrino said:
dv said:
What is Dutton the answer to?
Who is the most senior minister remaining after the election result?
I don’t know why Anning was mentioned. He and his party are long gone.
>Fraser Anning’s Conservative National Party was a far-right nationalist political party in Australia founded by Fraser Anning in April 2019, when he was a senator for Queensland. Anning had previously been a senator for One Nation and Katter’s Australian Party, and sat as an independent before founding the new party. The party contested the 2019 federal election, but failed to win a seat.
The party was deregistered on 23 September 2020.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraser_Anning%27s_Conservative_National_Party
Tau.Neutrino said:
dv said:
What is Dutton the answer to?
Siri, what would it be like if the ghost of Mussolini possessed the body of Mr Potatohead?
So Australia probably has two new Senators called Pocock but they are not related.
dv said:
So Australia probably has two new Senators called Pocock but they are not related.
Which one is the human?
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
So Australia probably has two new Senators called Pocock but they are not related.
Which one is the human?
You mean, the non-evil twin?
buffy said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:I find this situation appalling.
The English language has never been approved for use.
Does anyone find that strange?
An oversight that keeps happening.
Only you. And only under the influence.
Money has been approved for use
but not a language to be used by the courts or by the government itself
The law is supposed to be concerned about ethics logic and truth.
and language is a tool used by courts and a tool used by the government and look, it has never been approved for use.
An omission some people find unconcerning.
Is it insignificant that we use a tool for communication in courts and by the government yet its not recognized or authorized for use.
Tau.Neutrino said:
buffy said:
Tau.Neutrino said:The English language has never been approved for use.
Does anyone find that strange?
An oversight that keeps happening.
Only you. And only under the influence.
Money has been approved for use
but not a language to be used by the courts or by the government itself
The law is supposed to be concerned about ethics logic and truth.
and language is a tool used by courts and a tool used by the government and look, it has never been approved for use.
An omission some people find unconcerning.
Is it insignificant that we use a tool for communication in courts and by the government yet its not recognized or authorized for use.
LOL, what a joke. on drugs again?
Bogsnorkler said:
diddly-squat said:
Bogsnorkler said:aren’t all pollies beholden to their constituents?
yes, but major parties govern for the country, not just their own electorates
the values of the (most) independents seem to align with what the country wants.
Sure…. Easy to agree on broad values, much harder to agree on specific values…. My point being let’s say one independent has promised their electorate a 60% emissions reduction target by 2030. Will they be willing to blow the whole thing up because they weren’t prepared to negotiate (like the greens did with the by-partisan ETS) . but I guess if the Labs have the numbers it’s completely academic anyway.
Tau.Neutrino said:
buffy said:
Tau.Neutrino said:The English language has never been approved for use.
Does anyone find that strange?
An oversight that keeps happening.
Only you. And only under the influence.
Money has been approved for use
but not a language to be used by the courts or by the government itself
The law is supposed to be concerned about ethics logic and truth.
and language is a tool used by courts and a tool used by the government and look, it has never been approved for use.
An omission some people find unconcerning.
Is it insignificant that we use a tool for communication in courts and by the government yet its not recognized or authorized for use.
Many thinks in law and government are based on accepted practice and are not the subject of formal legislation.
Indeed, since formal legislation must be written in some language, writing legislation to define a language to be used would seem to set up an infinite self-referential loop.
What about French?
Wasn’t that the recognised language of the royal court after Billy the Conkerer?
If so, the i for one am comfortably in le bateau and you can bloody well nager, mate.
Tau.Neutrino said:
dv said:
What is Dutton the answer to?
The only question I can think of that Dutton is the answer to is: “Who is the second most stupid person in parliament?”
diddly-squat said:
Bogsnorkler said:
diddly-squat said:yes, but major parties govern for the country, not just their own electorates
the values of the (most) independents seem to align with what the country wants.
Sure…. Easy to agree on broad values, much harder to agree on specific values…. My point being let’s say one independent has promised their electorate a 60% emissions reduction target by 2030. Will they be willing to blow the whole thing up because they weren’t prepared to negotiate (like the greens did with the by-partisan ETS) . but I guess if the Labs have the numbers it’s completely academic anyway.
gillard seemed to do ok negotiating with the crossbench. so I guess that also means the crossbench were also willing to negotiate. I really don’t see a problem.
mollwollfumble said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
dv said:
What is Dutton the answer to?
The only question I can think of that Dutton is the answer to is: “Who is the second most stupid person in parliament?”
I know I shouldn’t ask, but:
who is No. 1?
The Rev Dodgson said:
mollwollfumble said:
Tau.Neutrino said:What is Dutton the answer to?
The only question I can think of that Dutton is the answer to is: “Who is the second most stupid person in parliament?”
I know I shouldn’t ask, but:
who is No. 1?
It’s not about stupid.
It is about corrupt. underhanded. selfish. abusive.
Tau.Neutrino said:
buffy said:
Tau.Neutrino said:The English language has never been approved for use.
Does anyone find that strange?
An oversight that keeps happening.
Only you. And only under the influence.
Money has been approved for use
but not a language to be used by the courts or by the government itself
The law is supposed to be concerned about ethics logic and truth.
and language is a tool used by courts and a tool used by the government and look, it has never been approved for use.
An omission some people find unconcerning.
Is it insignificant that we use a tool for communication in courts and by the government yet its not recognized or authorized for use.
Anyway, what’s an unelected monarchy got to do with it?
dv said:
John Hewson and Malcolm Turnbull would make a good team for the centre right.
Bogsnorkler said:
diddly-squat said:
Bogsnorkler said:the values of the (most) independents seem to align with what the country wants.
Sure…. Easy to agree on broad values, much harder to agree on specific values…. My point being let’s say one independent has promised their electorate a 60% emissions reduction target by 2030. Will they be willing to blow the whole thing up because they weren’t prepared to negotiate (like the greens did with the by-partisan ETS) . but I guess if the Labs have the numbers it’s completely academic anyway.
gillard seemed to do ok negotiating with the crossbench. so I guess that also means the crossbench were also willing to negotiate. I really don’t see a problem.
And I reckon I heard somewhere the other day that Albanese was a big part of that negotiating.
buffy said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:I find this situation appalling.
The English language has never been approved for use.
Does anyone find that strange?
An oversight that keeps happening.
Only you. And only under the influence.
Ha!
Kingy said:
dv said:
John Hewson and Malcolm Turnbull would make a good team for the centre right.
Can we see what the question is?
Tau.Neutrino said:
Kingy said:
dv said:
John Hewson and Malcolm Turnbull would make a good team for the centre right.
Can we see what the question is?
You should probably read the Hewson post.
Michael V said:
buffy said:
Tau.Neutrino said:The English language has never been approved for use.
Does anyone find that strange?
An oversight that keeps happening.
Only you. And only under the influence.
Ha!
If you were in court and people were using an unauthorized tool would you be laughing?
buffy said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Kingy said:John Hewson and Malcolm Turnbull would make a good team for the centre right.
Can we see what the question is?
You should probably read the Hewson post.
I have, but it doesn’t answer the question.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Michael V said:
buffy said:Only you. And only under the influence.
Ha!
If you were in court and people were using an unauthorized tool would you be laughing?
Why is Money authorized?
Trust?
Why isn’t language authorized?
Thee is no need to assign emotion to what should be a valid point of law.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Michael V said:
buffy said:Only you. And only under the influence.
Ha!
If you were in court and people were using an unauthorized tool would you be laughing?
I was exclaiming about buffy’s snappy comment.
Nothing to do with me and court.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-23/australian-election-latest-these-seats-still-in-doubt-labor/101090802
Michael V said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Michael V said:Ha!
If you were in court and people were using an unauthorized tool would you be laughing?
I was exclaiming about buffy’s snappy comment.
Nothing to do with me and court.
I wonder how solicitors and barristers would answer the question?
Why isn’t language authorized ?
How do they see it?
Anyway what’s an unelected monarchy got to do with it.
The Rev Dodgson said:
mollwollfumble said:
Tau.Neutrino said:What is Dutton the answer to?
The only question I can think of that Dutton is the answer to is: “Who is the second most stupid person in parliament?”
I know I shouldn’t ask, but:
who is No. 1?
Moll has randomly decided that Albanese is very stupid.
Don’t ask, it’s just one of those “moll in his own little world” things.
Bubblecar said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
mollwollfumble said:The only question I can think of that Dutton is the answer to is: “Who is the second most stupid person in parliament?”
I know I shouldn’t ask, but:
who is No. 1?
Moll has randomly decided that Albanese is very stupid.
Don’t ask, it’s just one of those “moll in his own little world” things.
I wouldn’t ever label Dutton stupid, but without hesitation state with complete confidence that he’s an evil c**t.
Tau.Neutrino said:
buffy said:
Tau.Neutrino said:The English language has never been approved for use.
Does anyone find that strange?
An oversight that keeps happening.
Only you. And only under the influence.
Money has been approved for use
but not a language to be used by the courts or by the government itself
The law is supposed to be concerned about ethics logic and truth.
and language is a tool used by courts and a tool used by the government and look, it has never been approved for use.
An omission some people find unconcerning.
Is it insignificant that we use a tool for communication in courts and by the government yet its not recognized or authorized for use.
The French have the Academy Francais. Will that suffice?
Tau.Neutrino said:
Anyway what’s an unelected monarchy got to do with it.
US Republican Party.
sarahs mum said:
It’s not about stupid.It is about corrupt. underhanded. selfish. abusive.
I don’t think there are any Australian politicians that are inherently corrupt in the classical sense of the word.
diddly-squat said:
sarahs mum said:
It’s not about stupid.It is about corrupt. underhanded. selfish. abusive.
I don’t think there are any Australian politicians that are inherently corrupt in the classical sense of the word.
No need for an ICAC then.
Bogsnorkler said:
diddly-squat said:
sarahs mum said:
It’s not about stupid.It is about corrupt. underhanded. selfish. abusive.
I don’t think there are any Australian politicians that are inherently corrupt in the classical sense of the word.
No need for an ICAC then.
I’m not sure why you would say that.. an ICAC should investigate a broard range of political misconduct
diddly-squat said:
sarahs mum said:
It’s not about stupid.It is about corrupt. underhanded. selfish. abusive.
I don’t think there are any Australian politicians that are inherently corrupt in the classical sense of the word.
the barnaby joyce/angus taylor water deal?
Kingy said:
dv said:
John Hewson and Malcolm Turnbull would make a good team for the centre right.
The odd thing is the the Liberals seem to think that people didn’t vote for them because the party was not sufficiently fascist.
‘If only we’d been more like Mussolini’s mob (not Nazis, no, don’t be silly. Have to keep some cards up our sleeve) then they would have had more faith in us. Let’s shift farther to the right, show them that we got the message, and we’ll come back bigger and tougher next time.’
captain_spalding said:
Kingy said:
dv said:
John Hewson and Malcolm Turnbull would make a good team for the centre right.
The odd thing is the the Liberals seem to think that people didn’t vote for them because the party was not sufficiently fascist.
‘If only we’d been more like Mussolini’s mob (not Nazis, no, don’t be silly. Have to keep some cards up our sleeve) then they would have had more faith in us. Let’s shift farther to the right, show them that we got the message, and we’ll come back bigger and tougher next time.’
Yeah. That is the point I was trying to make earlier. They went to the electorate with the wrong message. Now they want to make that message even more strident. The core message is the problem.
captain_spalding said:
Kingy said:
dv said:
John Hewson and Malcolm Turnbull would make a good team for the centre right.
The odd thing is the the Liberals seem to think that people didn’t vote for them because the party was not sufficiently fascist.
‘If only we’d been more like Mussolini’s mob (not Nazis, no, don’t be silly. Have to keep some cards up our sleeve) then they would have had more faith in us. Let’s shift farther to the right, show them that we got the message, and we’ll come back bigger and tougher next time.’
or that the populace is forcing them to become more fascist. We really don’t want to but we are being forced to do it to keep the elecotrates happy.
captain_spalding said:
Kingy said:
dv said:
John Hewson and Malcolm Turnbull would make a good team for the centre right.
The odd thing is the the Liberals seem to think that people didn’t vote for them because the party was not sufficiently fascist.
‘If only we’d been more like Mussolini’s mob (not Nazis, no, don’t be silly. Have to keep some cards up our sleeve) then they would have had more faith in us. Let’s shift farther to the right, show them that we got the message, and we’ll come back bigger and tougher next time.’
FWIW I’ve been labelling them fascists for years. And they want more of that??
captain_spalding said:
Kingy said:
dv said:
John Hewson and Malcolm Turnbull would make a good team for the centre right.
The odd thing is the the Liberals seem to think that people didn’t vote for them because the party was not sufficiently fascist.
‘If only we’d been more like Mussolini’s mob (not Nazis, no, don’t be silly. Have to keep some cards up our sleeve) then they would have had more faith in us. Let’s shift farther to the right, show them that we got the message, and we’ll come back bigger and tougher next time.’
And the irony is that when you look at the parliamentary voting record of their so-called moderates, they’re just as hard right as the hard right factions.
This is why several of them lost their seats to independents backing genuinely progressive policies.
.
sarahs mum said:
or that the populace is forcing them to become more fascist. We really don’t want to but we are being forced to do it to keep the elecotrates happy.
We secretly yearn for the grind of the right-wing jackboot against our faces.
It’s the only language we understand.
Spiny Norman said:
FWIW I’ve been labelling them fascists for years. And they want more of that??
No, as sarahs mum says, they see it as us wanting more of that. And that we ‘deserted’ them because we were disappointed that they hadn’t been tough enough on us. We were, in our own adorable way, trying to punish them for not being fascist enough to reassure us.
So their move to the right is, as they see it, the only way they can get back into our good books.
Spiny Norman said:
captain_spalding said:
Kingy said:John Hewson and Malcolm Turnbull would make a good team for the centre right.
The odd thing is the the Liberals seem to think that people didn’t vote for them because the party was not sufficiently fascist.
‘If only we’d been more like Mussolini’s mob (not Nazis, no, don’t be silly. Have to keep some cards up our sleeve) then they would have had more faith in us. Let’s shift farther to the right, show them that we got the message, and we’ll come back bigger and tougher next time.’
FWIW I’ve been labelling them fascists for years. And they want more of that??
I think the the word fascist is a very poor descriptor for the previous govt. the LibNats were many things but fascists wasn’t one of them.
captain_spalding said:
Kingy said:
dv said:
John Hewson and Malcolm Turnbull would make a good team for the centre right.
The odd thing is the the Liberals seem to think that people didn’t vote for them because the party was not sufficiently fascist.
‘If only we’d been more like Mussolini’s mob (not Nazis, no, don’t be silly. Have to keep some cards up our sleeve) then they would have had more faith in us. Let’s shift farther to the right, show them that we got the message, and we’ll come back bigger and tougher next time.’
It’s electoral spatial disorientation and they’ve pulled in the wrong direction…
diddly-squat said:
I think the the word fascist is a very poor descriptor for the previous govt. the LibNats were many things but fascists wasn’t one of them.
No, not by any realistic definition of the word they weren’t.
But, you could see that there was probably at least a few of them who could and would tell you about the wonderful things that were done in Italy and Germany in the ’20s and ’30s to rebuild the economies and to solve the unemployment problems.
They’re not fascists, but they can see a few hints of good ideas in the philosophy. Pity about all of the baggage it acquired.
captain_spalding said:
No, not by any realistic definition of the word they weren’t.But, you could see that there was probably at least a few of them who could and would tell you about the wonderful things that were done in Italy and Germany in the ’20s and ’30s to rebuild the economies and to solve the unemployment problems.
They’re not fascists, but they can see a few hints of good ideas in the philosophy. Pity about all of the baggage it acquired.
The Queensland were working hard on that though, with the VLAD laws.
I was talking to a Russian lecturer about it a few years ago, and asked him if he’d ever heard of a group of people automatically being assumed to be criminals just because the government said they were.
His jaw dropped.
diddly-squat said:
sarahs mum said:
It’s not about stupid.It is about corrupt. underhanded. selfish. abusive.
I don’t think there are any Australian politicians that are inherently corrupt in the classical sense of the word.
I think Joh probably was. But he’s been gone some time.
Spiny Norman said:
captain_spalding said:
No, not by any realistic definition of the word they weren’t.But, you could see that there was probably at least a few of them who could and would tell you about the wonderful things that were done in Italy and Germany in the ’20s and ’30s to rebuild the economies and to solve the unemployment problems.
They’re not fascists, but they can see a few hints of good ideas in the philosophy. Pity about all of the baggage it acquired.
The Queensland were working hard on that though, with the VLAD laws.
I was talking to a Russian lecturer about it a few years ago, and asked him if he’d ever heard of a group of people automatically being assumed to be criminals just because the government said they were.
His jaw dropped.
Was he away the day that they discussed ‘class enemies’ at school?
buffy said:
diddly-squat said:
sarahs mum said:
It’s not about stupid.It is about corrupt. underhanded. selfish. abusive.
I don’t think there are any Australian politicians that are inherently corrupt in the classical sense of the word.
I think Joh probably was. But he’s been gone some time.
Joh was so bent that the first thing he saw every morning was the backs of his own knees.
buffy said:
diddly-squat said:
sarahs mum said:
It’s not about stupid.It is about corrupt. underhanded. selfish. abusive.
I don’t think there are any Australian politicians that are inherently corrupt in the classical sense of the word.
I think Joh probably was. But he’s been gone some time.
And his fat sidekick Russ.
Bubblecar said:
buffy said:
diddly-squat said:I don’t think there are any Australian politicians that are inherently corrupt in the classical sense of the word.
I think Joh probably was. But he’s been gone some time.
And his fat sidekick Russ.
That reminds me, I’d love for the local dam, the Hinze Dam, to get its name changed back to the original Advancetown Dam.
captain_spalding said:
Kingy said:
dv said:
John Hewson and Malcolm Turnbull would make a good team for the centre right.
The odd thing is the the Liberals seem to think that people didn’t vote for them because the party was not sufficiently fascist.
‘If only we’d been more like Mussolini’s mob (not Nazis, no, don’t be silly. Have to keep some cards up our sleeve) then they would have had more faith in us. Let’s shift farther to the right, show them that we got the message, and we’ll come back bigger and tougher next time.’
agree, we find it a bit suggestive that this JohnRHewson fella uses the word “us” there
Bogsnorkler said:
diddly-squat said:
sarahs mum said:
It’s not about stupid.
It is about corrupt. underhanded. selfish. abusive.
I don’t think there are any Australian politicians that are inherently corrupt in the classical sense of the word.
No need for an ICAC then.
Corruption Only Happens In Shit Hole Countries Oh Wait
buffy said:
diddly-squat said:
sarahs mum said:
It’s not about stupid.It is about corrupt. underhanded. selfish. abusive.
I don’t think there are any Australian politicians that are inherently corrupt in the classical sense of the word.
I think Joh probably was. But he’s been gone some time.
I mean I think there is plenty of evidence to suggest that out-and-out personal financial gain for political favour has happened.. and could happened again.. but at the moment I think the real issues in Aust politics are more nuanced than that to the point where misconduct has become normalised; that has to change IMO.
And in Joe’s Qld it was the police that were truely corrupt.
captain_spalding said:
Spiny Norman said:
captain_spalding said:
No, not by any realistic definition of the word they weren’t.
But, you could see that there was probably at least a few of them who could and would tell you about the wonderful things that were done in Italy and Germany in the ’20s and ’30s to rebuild the economies and to solve the unemployment problems.
They’re not fascists, but they can see a few hints of good ideas in the philosophy. Pity about all of the baggage it acquired.
The Queensland were working hard on that though, with the VLAD laws.
I was talking to a Russian lecturer about it a few years ago, and asked him if he’d ever heard of a group of people automatically being assumed to be criminals just because the government said they were.
His jaw dropped.
Was he away the day that they discussed ‘class enemies’ at school?
wait this country of wannabe fascists, are its leaders suddenly going to another meeting spearheaded by a bigger country full of fascists, talking alliance with a far eastern island nation and a coastally southward projecting subcontinental nation
diddly-squat said:
sarahs mum said:
It’s not about stupid.It is about corrupt. underhanded. selfish. abusive.
I don’t think there are any Australian politicians that are inherently corrupt in the classical sense of the word.
Eddie Obeid certainly was.
Witty Rejoinder said:
diddly-squat said:
sarahs mum said:
It’s not about stupid.It is about corrupt. underhanded. selfish. abusive.
I don’t think there are any Australian politicians that are inherently corrupt in the classical sense of the word.
Eddie Obeid certainly was.
he’s an ex not an are
Witty Rejoinder said:
diddly-squat said:
sarahs mum said:
It’s not about stupid.It is about corrupt. underhanded. selfish. abusive.
I don’t think there are any Australian politicians that are inherently corrupt in the classical sense of the word.
Eddie Obeid certainly was.
True.. he is a certified crook
Bogsnorkler said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
diddly-squat said:I don’t think there are any Australian politicians that are inherently corrupt in the classical sense of the word.
Eddie Obeid certainly was.
he’s an ex not an are
But didn’t he made decisions as minister where there were direct conflicts of interest, like awarding mining permits to companies held by family members.
Bogsnorkler said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Eddie Obeid certainly was.
he’s an ex not an are
Well, his corruption was unknown when he was an ‘are’. It came out after he became an ‘ex’.
Who can say what naughty little secrets the current crop of ‘ares’ hope will never come to light?
diddly-squat said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Eddie Obeid certainly was.
he’s an ex not an are
But didn’t he made decisions as minister where there were direct conflicts of interest, like awarding mining permits to companies held by family members.
I was just being obtuse and reflecting on the tense, present vs past.
captain_spalding said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Eddie Obeid certainly was.
he’s an ex not an are
Well, his corruption was unknown when he was an ‘are’. It came out after he became an ‘ex’.
Who can say what naughty little secrets the current crop of ‘ares’ hope will never come to light?
Just what I was thinking. If there are any current politicians who are corrupt right now we probably won’t know about it till some time long in the future.
SCIENCE said:
You have to wonder if she’s as stupid as she seems to think we are.
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:
You have to wonder if she’s as stupid as she seems to think we are.
I imagine PWM is quite fond of her. In a purely platonic sense granted.
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:
You have to wonder if she’s as stupid as she seems to think we are.
She is very much more stupid as she seems to think that we are.
I’m not sure that she even knows what the word “think” means.
SCIENCE said:
because insulting Biden and the PMs of Japan and India by not showing up is a great way to start a new regime.
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:
because insulting Biden and the PMs of Japan and India by not showing up is a great way to start a new regime.
it is really that he isn’t nicking off on a holiday when australia needs him. the government hasn’t been sworn in yet even.
Bogsnorkler said:
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:
because insulting Biden and the PMs of Japan and India by not showing up is a great way to start a new regime.
it is really that he isn’t nicking off on a holiday when australia needs him. the government hasn’t been sworn in yet even.
Yes. I understand that. This trip is an official government leader’s meeting and the Australian PM (whomever it is) is expected to attend. It is hardly slacking off. But I thought that went without saying, so I could just leave a whimsical remark instead.
party_pants said:
Bogsnorkler said:
party_pants said:because insulting Biden and the PMs of Japan and India by not showing up is a great way to start a new regime.
it is really that he isn’t nicking off on a holiday when australia needs him. the government hasn’t been sworn in yet even.
Yes. I understand that. This trip is an official government leader’s meeting and the Australian PM (whomever it is) is expected to attend. It is hardly slacking off. But I thought that went without saying, so I could just leave a whimsical remark instead.
you know the left has no sense of humour.
Bogsnorkler said:
party_pants said:
Bogsnorkler said:it is really that he isn’t nicking off on a holiday when australia needs him. the government hasn’t been sworn in yet even.
Yes. I understand that. This trip is an official government leader’s meeting and the Australian PM (whomever it is) is expected to attend. It is hardly slacking off. But I thought that went without saying, so I could just leave a whimsical remark instead.
you know the left has no sense of humour.
Oh, we’ve noticed…how we’ve noticed.
sibeen said:
Bogsnorkler said:
party_pants said:Yes. I understand that. This trip is an official government leader’s meeting and the Australian PM (whomever it is) is expected to attend. It is hardly slacking off. But I thought that went without saying, so I could just leave a whimsical remark instead.
you know the left has no sense of humour.
Oh, we’ve noticed…how we’ve noticed.
Don’t you have a shedload of work to attend to?
SCIENCE said:
Davros is the caricature of Murdoch with Credlin, Bolt and others being the wretched creatures he created.
Bogsnorkler said:
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:
because insulting Biden and the PMs of Japan and India by not showing up is a great way to start a new regime.
it is really that he isn’t nicking off on a holiday when australia needs him. the government hasn’t been sworn in yet even.
Imagine if he went to Hawaii instead.
Looks like the UAP may get a senator from Victoria. Fuck.
Also appears there has been a swing to the Libs in the seat I grew up in, Herbert. I remember when Herbert was red as a beetroot’s lips, ALP owned it, I think Lindsay won 5 elections there.
dv said:
Looks like the UAP may get a senator from Victoria. Fuck.Also appears there has been a swing to the Libs in the seat I grew up in, Herbert. I remember when Herbert was red as a beetroot’s lips, ALP owned it, I think Lindsay won 5 elections there.
will the senate be hung?
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Looks like the UAP may get a senator from Victoria. Fuck.Also appears there has been a swing to the Libs in the seat I grew up in, Herbert. I remember when Herbert was red as a beetroot’s lips, ALP owned it, I think Lindsay won 5 elections there.
will the senate be hung?
Well the senate is always hung, it hasn’t been controlled by a single party for like 100 years.
I think there is some chance that ALP and Greens will, added toegther, get to 38 out of 76, which will mean they will just need some help from Lambie or Pocock. Which is nice but it’s still a negotiation. I hope ALP and Greens can play nice together. Conflict between them set up 9 years of conservative government.
I also hope they play nice. I vote for that.
Here’s a little graphical summary on the state of play in the senate.
There are 36 seats not up for election this year: the terms expiring in 2025. The standard mix in a state class these days seems to be 3 Lib or Nat seats, 2 ALP, 1 Green, which basically gives a 50/50 balance between Right and Left. In the continuing class there are two exceptions. Qld only has 1 ALP, 1 One Nation, Tasmania has 2 Libs, 1 Lambie. Lambie is an idiosyncratic senatore but one that the ALP can come to accommodations with, and can probably be genuinely considered a figure of the centre. The Class of 2025 thus has 18 for the Right, 17 for the Left, 1 Centre.
The class expiring now is a bit poor for Greens. While Victoria, WA and Tasmania all follow the 3-2-1 pattern described above, Queensland has no Green representative and instead has 1 for One Nation. NSW has no Green, 3 ALP. South Australia also has no Green, and only has 2 Libs, but instead has two people formerly connected to Nick Xenophon who I suppose can be considered to be Centre folk. The Class of 2022, for the states, has 18 for the Right, 16 for the Left, 2 Centre.
Additionally there are the Senators for the Territories, whose terms last 3 years, and perennially each have 1 Coalition senator, 1 ALP senator.
There will be 40 senators whose terms start this year and we can pretty much be 100% certain of 33 of them already, with 7 unknowns. The “knowns” include 2 Coalition, 2 ALP and 1 Green for each state, so this is immediately a big boost for the Greens, getting them to 12 Senators. The last of the Xenophon people appear to have gone.
It seems very likely that Pocock is going to make history by becoming a senator for the ACT. There is a small chance that the Libs will get up instead. Considering Pocock’s positions, I am content to say he is part of the Left.
The Lambie candidate in Tasmania, Tammy Tyrrell, is in a good position to win a seat. There is again a small possibility that the Libs will win a third seat instead.
Things appear a bit sensitively poised in South Australia. One Nation is ahead at the moment in the race for the 6th slot, but Legalise Cannabis, UAP, and indeed a third Liberal are all possibilities.
WA appears to be about the do the unthinkable and have 4 senators from the Left in a single class. That doesn’t happen often. ALP is leading the race for the 6th senate position, though One Nation and Legalise Cannabis have a shot.
The 6th position in Qld is probably going to come down to One Nation versus Legalise Cannabis. One Nation is ahead.
In Victoria, UAP is ahead. Again, Legalise Cannabis has a chance.
In NSW, probably the final slot will go to the Liberals, but One Nation has a chance.
So if the “likely” winners win, we will end up with 39 for the Left, 2 for the Centre, 35 for the Right.
Best case scenario for the Right would be 37 Left, 1 Centre, 38 Right.
If we consider Legalise Cannabis to be Left (it is patchy, they are a bit antivax) then the best case scenario for the Left would be 42 Left, 2 Centre, 32 Right.
Somewhat disheartening that it is possible we will end up with a Senate with 5 One Nation members, or 2 for UAP, but there you go.
Who is Anthony Albanese, the new Australian prime minister?
Image without a caption
By Michael E. Miller
May 22, 2022 at 8:42 a.m. EDT
SYDNEY — When Anthony Albanese attends the Quad summit in Tokyo on Tuesday, the newly sworn-in Australian prime minister will meet an American president that in many ways is his mirror image.
Like Joe Biden, Albanese is a Catholic with an affinity for the working class, a veteran of his center-left party and a folksy if uncharismatic campaigner who overcame stumbles to topple a divisive opponent.
But there is a notable way in which the two leaders differ. Biden, 79, began formulating a plan to become president when he was a teenager, and he first ran for the White House when he was 44. At that age, Albanese, 59, has said he had no inkling of becoming Labor Party leader, let alone prime minister.
“He didn’t envisage himself as a leader until as late as 2013,” said political historian Paul Strangio. “Now here he is, prime minister of the country after just one term as opposition leader. That is quite striking.”
Biden called Albanese by phone to congratulate him on his victory and to thank him for attending the Quad summit, which brings together the leaders of the United States, Australia, Japan and India. Albanese was spending the day after the election receiving foreign briefings. He will be sworn in Monday before heading to Tokyo with his foreign minister, Penny Wong.
Despite polls presaging his victory, Albanese may be Australia’s most unexpected prime minister. Until this weekend, his political career had been a slow burn. A defeat could have cast him as someone too cautious or kind to reach the top. Instead, Albanese’s narrow victory has him looking like a canny strategist who could reshape his country in a way that his more personally ambitious predecessors did not.
His humble roots, meanwhile, could help Albanese connect with his American counterpart and put the countries on more parallel paths when it comes to combating climate change.
Australia ousts conservative Prime Minister Scott Morrison, backs action on climate change
“I think there is the potential for Biden and Albanese to strike up an important personal relationship,” said Michael Fullilove, executive director of the Lowy Institute, a Sydney think tank.
“They are both individuals from modest backgrounds who have lived extraordinary lives,” he said. “And for Biden, the personal is political.”
Albanese touched on his working-class origins in his victory speech.
“It says a lot about our great country that a son of a single mum who was a disability pensioner, who grew up in public housing down the road in Camperdown, can stand before you tonight as Australia’s prime minister,” he told a boisterous crowd.
He often says he was raised with three faiths: the Catholic Church, the Labor Party and the South Sydney Rabbitohs, a professional rugby team based in a traditionally working-class neighborhood not far from where Albanese grew up.
As a child, Albanese was told his parents had met when his mother was traveling overseas, and that his father had died shortly afterward. It was only when he was a teenager that his mother told him the truth.
“We sat down just after dinner one night,” he told the Australian Broadcasting Corp. “It was very traumatic for her, I think, to tell me that in fact that wasn’t the case, that my father might still be alive, that she’d met him overseas, fallen pregnant with me, had told him and he had said, basically, that he was betrothed to someone from the town in Italy where he was from.”
“I think that whole guilt associated with having a child out of wedlock in 1963 as a young Catholic woman was a big deal,” he said. “Hence, the extent to which she had gone to in terms of adopting my father’s name. She wore an engagement and a wedding ring. She — the whole family just believed this story.”
Albanese cites the story as a wellspring of his empathy for others. As a Catholic-school boy, he attended local Labor Party meetings with his mother and grandparents. He joined the party as a teen, was active in college and then went to work for a scion of the state party’s progressive wing. He was elected to Parliament on his 33rd birthday. (Biden entered Congress when he was 29.)
Unlike Biden, who made little secret of his desire to run for president, Albanese expressed no interest in leading his party or country for almost two decades, according to biographer and journalist Karen Middleton. He steadily rose up the ranks, helping to hold a minority Labor government together. When Labor lost the election in 2013, a senior party figure urged him to have a crack at the leadership, but Albanese lost. He got another chance in 2019, after Labor suffered a shock upset.
“The party was so demoralized that no one else was willing to put their hand up,” said Strangio.
Last year, Albanese likened his own chances to those of Biden, who had just been inaugurated.
“There were people in this room who predicted that Donald Trump would win reelection,” he said in a news conference. “But a bloke who was a former deputy leader and an experienced politician, who had held a wide range of portfolios and who was someone who was underestimated by some, he is now president of the United States.”
Like Biden, he was criticized for appearing happy to let the election be a referendum on his opponent. And he was questioned for running a small-target campaign in which he pared back some of his party’s more ambitious policies, including cuts to carbon emissions.
Albanese’s modest climate strategy hurt him with some voters on Election Day and helped propel Greens and independents into Parliament. But it also enabled Labor to keep some key coal-country seats on its way to what, as of Sunday, seemed like a small majority.
“It was a gamble,” said Strangio. “But the gamble paid off.”
It remains to be seen how ambitious Albanese will be on climate, especially if he doesn’t need the help of Greens and climate-focused independents. He played the issue both ways during the campaign, calling for investment in renewable energy but also backing new coal mines.
In Australia’s quiet climate election, independents could make noise
Even if he remains cautious, his climate policy will be more ambitious than that of outgoing conservative Scott Morrison, whose slow walk to committing to net zero by 2050 frustrated the Biden administration.
“Biden will appreciate an Australian government that has more ambition on climate,” said Fullilove. He said the president would also welcome a reset of relations between Australia and France — countries that fell out under Morrison over his handling of a deal with Britain and the United States for nuclear-powered submarines.
Fullilove said it will be important to see if there is a “meeting of the minds” when Biden and Albanese speak one-on-one at the Quad summit.
“Because Biden is an old-school politician, I think the first meeting matters,” he said.
Australia finds itself on the front line of the new geopolitics. The Biden administration sees it as a key ally in pushing back on growing Chinese assertiveness in the region. China launched a trade conflict with Australia two years ago. And it recently struck a security agreement with the Solomon Islands that some analysts fear could lead to a Chinese military base roughly 1,000 miles from Australian shores. (China and the Solomon Islands deny that is a possibility.)
“An Australian historian said famously that we suffer from the tyranny of distance,” Fullilove said. “But now, in fact, we face the predicament of proximity. The world is rushing toward us.”
The world is now rushing toward Albanese, who will meet the American president on his second day in office.
“It’s quite the initiation,” Fullilove said
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/05/22/australia-albanese-prime-minister/?
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Ian said:
Dunno if this bin dun..
They got that up quickly. I guess they made it well in advance :)
I wonder who the singer is.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Ian said:
Dunno if this bin dun..They got that up quickly. I guess they made it well in advance :)
I wonder who the singer is.
Sounds like Greenday frontman
dv said:
Here’s a little graphical summary on the state of play in the senate.There are 36 seats not up for election this year: the terms expiring in 2025. The standard mix in a state class these days seems to be 3 Lib or Nat seats, 2 ALP, 1 Green, which basically gives a 50/50 balance between Right and Left. In the continuing class there are two exceptions. Qld only has 1 ALP, 1 One Nation, Tasmania has 2 Libs, 1 Lambie. Lambie is an idiosyncratic senatore but one that the ALP can come to accommodations with, and can probably be genuinely considered a figure of the centre. The Class of 2025 thus has 18 for the Right, 17 for the Left, 1 Centre.
The class expiring now is a bit poor for Greens. While Victoria, WA and Tasmania all follow the 3-2-1 pattern described above, Queensland has no Green representative and instead has 1 for One Nation. NSW has no Green, 3 ALP. South Australia also has no Green, and only has 2 Libs, but instead has two people formerly connected to Nick Xenophon who I suppose can be considered to be Centre folk. The Class of 2022, for the states, has 18 for the Right, 16 for the Left, 2 Centre.
Additionally there are the Senators for the Territories, whose terms last 3 years, and perennially each have 1 Coalition senator, 1 ALP senator.
There will be 40 senators whose terms start this year and we can pretty much be 100% certain of 33 of them already, with 7 unknowns. The “knowns” include 2 Coalition, 2 ALP and 1 Green for each state, so this is immediately a big boost for the Greens, getting them to 12 Senators. The last of the Xenophon people appear to have gone.
It seems very likely that Pocock is going to make history by becoming a senator for the ACT. There is a small chance that the Libs will get up instead. Considering Pocock’s positions, I am content to say he is part of the Left.
The Lambie candidate in Tasmania, Tammy Tyrrell, is in a good position to win a seat. There is again a small possibility that the Libs will win a third seat instead.
Things appear a bit sensitively poised in South Australia. One Nation is ahead at the moment in the race for the 6th slot, but Legalise Cannabis, UAP, and indeed a third Liberal are all possibilities.
WA appears to be about the do the unthinkable and have 4 senators from the Left in a single class. That doesn’t happen often. ALP is leading the race for the 6th senate position, though One Nation and Legalise Cannabis have a shot.
The 6th position in Qld is probably going to come down to One Nation versus Legalise Cannabis. One Nation is ahead.
In Victoria, UAP is ahead. Again, Legalise Cannabis has a chance.
In NSW, probably the final slot will go to the Liberals, but One Nation has a chance.
So if the “likely” winners win, we will end up with 39 for the Left, 2 for the Centre, 35 for the Right.
Best case scenario for the Right would be 37 Left, 1 Centre, 38 Right.
If we consider Legalise Cannabis to be Left (it is patchy, they are a bit antivax) then the best case scenario for the Left would be 42 Left, 2 Centre, 32 Right.
Somewhat disheartening that it is possible we will end up with a Senate with 5 One Nation members, or 2 for UAP, but there you go.
You will never find a more unrepresentative hive of scum and villainy.
The Shovel:
‘Sydney Airport announces new ‘Scott Morrison Memorial Terminal’, after Liberals lose PM in disaster’
‘Morrison escapes on holiday as nation experiences massive landslide’
‘Senior Liberal figures to examine how electorate got it so wrong’
Witty Rejoinder said:
Who is Anthony Albanese, the new Australian prime minister?
Image without a caption
By Michael E. Miller
May 22, 2022 at 8:42 a.m. EDTSYDNEY — When Anthony Albanese attends the Quad summit in Tokyo on Tuesday, the newly sworn-in Australian prime minister will meet an American president that in many ways is his mirror image.
Like Joe Biden, Albanese is a Catholic with an affinity for the working class, a veteran of his center-left party and a folksy if uncharismatic campaigner who overcame stumbles to topple a divisive opponent.
But there is a notable way in which the two leaders differ. Biden, 79, began formulating a plan to become president when he was a teenager, and he first ran for the White House when he was 44. At that age, Albanese, 59, has said he had no inkling of becoming Labor Party leader, let alone prime minister.
“He didn’t envisage himself as a leader until as late as 2013,” said political historian Paul Strangio. “Now here he is, prime minister of the country after just one term as opposition leader. That is quite striking.”
Biden called Albanese by phone to congratulate him on his victory and to thank him for attending the Quad summit, which brings together the leaders of the United States, Australia, Japan and India. Albanese was spending the day after the election receiving foreign briefings. He will be sworn in Monday before heading to Tokyo with his foreign minister, Penny Wong.
Despite polls presaging his victory, Albanese may be Australia’s most unexpected prime minister. Until this weekend, his political career had been a slow burn. A defeat could have cast him as someone too cautious or kind to reach the top. Instead, Albanese’s narrow victory has him looking like a canny strategist who could reshape his country in a way that his more personally ambitious predecessors did not.
His humble roots, meanwhile, could help Albanese connect with his American counterpart and put the countries on more parallel paths when it comes to combating climate change.
Australia ousts conservative Prime Minister Scott Morrison, backs action on climate change
“I think there is the potential for Biden and Albanese to strike up an important personal relationship,” said Michael Fullilove, executive director of the Lowy Institute, a Sydney think tank.
“They are both individuals from modest backgrounds who have lived extraordinary lives,” he said. “And for Biden, the personal is political.”
Albanese touched on his working-class origins in his victory speech.
“It says a lot about our great country that a son of a single mum who was a disability pensioner, who grew up in public housing down the road in Camperdown, can stand before you tonight as Australia’s prime minister,” he told a boisterous crowd.
He often says he was raised with three faiths: the Catholic Church, the Labor Party and the South Sydney Rabbitohs, a professional rugby team based in a traditionally working-class neighborhood not far from where Albanese grew up.
As a child, Albanese was told his parents had met when his mother was traveling overseas, and that his father had died shortly afterward. It was only when he was a teenager that his mother told him the truth.
“We sat down just after dinner one night,” he told the Australian Broadcasting Corp. “It was very traumatic for her, I think, to tell me that in fact that wasn’t the case, that my father might still be alive, that she’d met him overseas, fallen pregnant with me, had told him and he had said, basically, that he was betrothed to someone from the town in Italy where he was from.”
“I think that whole guilt associated with having a child out of wedlock in 1963 as a young Catholic woman was a big deal,” he said. “Hence, the extent to which she had gone to in terms of adopting my father’s name. She wore an engagement and a wedding ring. She — the whole family just believed this story.”
Albanese cites the story as a wellspring of his empathy for others. As a Catholic-school boy, he attended local Labor Party meetings with his mother and grandparents. He joined the party as a teen, was active in college and then went to work for a scion of the state party’s progressive wing. He was elected to Parliament on his 33rd birthday. (Biden entered Congress when he was 29.)
Unlike Biden, who made little secret of his desire to run for president, Albanese expressed no interest in leading his party or country for almost two decades, according to biographer and journalist Karen Middleton. He steadily rose up the ranks, helping to hold a minority Labor government together. When Labor lost the election in 2013, a senior party figure urged him to have a crack at the leadership, but Albanese lost. He got another chance in 2019, after Labor suffered a shock upset.
“The party was so demoralized that no one else was willing to put their hand up,” said Strangio.
Last year, Albanese likened his own chances to those of Biden, who had just been inaugurated.
“There were people in this room who predicted that Donald Trump would win reelection,” he said in a news conference. “But a bloke who was a former deputy leader and an experienced politician, who had held a wide range of portfolios and who was someone who was underestimated by some, he is now president of the United States.”
Like Biden, he was criticized for appearing happy to let the election be a referendum on his opponent. And he was questioned for running a small-target campaign in which he pared back some of his party’s more ambitious policies, including cuts to carbon emissions.
Albanese’s modest climate strategy hurt him with some voters on Election Day and helped propel Greens and independents into Parliament. But it also enabled Labor to keep some key coal-country seats on its way to what, as of Sunday, seemed like a small majority.
“It was a gamble,” said Strangio. “But the gamble paid off.”
It remains to be seen how ambitious Albanese will be on climate, especially if he doesn’t need the help of Greens and climate-focused independents. He played the issue both ways during the campaign, calling for investment in renewable energy but also backing new coal mines.
In Australia’s quiet climate election, independents could make noise
Even if he remains cautious, his climate policy will be more ambitious than that of outgoing conservative Scott Morrison, whose slow walk to committing to net zero by 2050 frustrated the Biden administration.
“Biden will appreciate an Australian government that has more ambition on climate,” said Fullilove. He said the president would also welcome a reset of relations between Australia and France — countries that fell out under Morrison over his handling of a deal with Britain and the United States for nuclear-powered submarines.
Fullilove said it will be important to see if there is a “meeting of the minds” when Biden and Albanese speak one-on-one at the Quad summit.
“Because Biden is an old-school politician, I think the first meeting matters,” he said.
Australia finds itself on the front line of the new geopolitics. The Biden administration sees it as a key ally in pushing back on growing Chinese assertiveness in the region. China launched a trade conflict with Australia two years ago. And it recently struck a security agreement with the Solomon Islands that some analysts fear could lead to a Chinese military base roughly 1,000 miles from Australian shores. (China and the Solomon Islands deny that is a possibility.)
“An Australian historian said famously that we suffer from the tyranny of distance,” Fullilove said. “But now, in fact, we face the predicament of proximity. The world is rushing toward us.”
The world is now rushing toward Albanese, who will meet the American president on his second day in office.
“It’s quite the initiation,” Fullilove said
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/05/22/australia-albanese-prime-minister/?
Thanks Witty. That’s a very interesting piece.
Ian said:
dv said:
Here’s a little graphical summary on the state of play in the senate.There are 36 seats not up for election this year: the terms expiring in 2025. The standard mix in a state class these days seems to be 3 Lib or Nat seats, 2 ALP, 1 Green, which basically gives a 50/50 balance between Right and Left. In the continuing class there are two exceptions. Qld only has 1 ALP, 1 One Nation, Tasmania has 2 Libs, 1 Lambie. Lambie is an idiosyncratic senatore but one that the ALP can come to accommodations with, and can probably be genuinely considered a figure of the centre. The Class of 2025 thus has 18 for the Right, 17 for the Left, 1 Centre.
The class expiring now is a bit poor for Greens. While Victoria, WA and Tasmania all follow the 3-2-1 pattern described above, Queensland has no Green representative and instead has 1 for One Nation. NSW has no Green, 3 ALP. South Australia also has no Green, and only has 2 Libs, but instead has two people formerly connected to Nick Xenophon who I suppose can be considered to be Centre folk. The Class of 2022, for the states, has 18 for the Right, 16 for the Left, 2 Centre.
Additionally there are the Senators for the Territories, whose terms last 3 years, and perennially each have 1 Coalition senator, 1 ALP senator.
There will be 40 senators whose terms start this year and we can pretty much be 100% certain of 33 of them already, with 7 unknowns. The “knowns” include 2 Coalition, 2 ALP and 1 Green for each state, so this is immediately a big boost for the Greens, getting them to 12 Senators. The last of the Xenophon people appear to have gone.
It seems very likely that Pocock is going to make history by becoming a senator for the ACT. There is a small chance that the Libs will get up instead. Considering Pocock’s positions, I am content to say he is part of the Left.
The Lambie candidate in Tasmania, Tammy Tyrrell, is in a good position to win a seat. There is again a small possibility that the Libs will win a third seat instead.
Things appear a bit sensitively poised in South Australia. One Nation is ahead at the moment in the race for the 6th slot, but Legalise Cannabis, UAP, and indeed a third Liberal are all possibilities.
WA appears to be about the do the unthinkable and have 4 senators from the Left in a single class. That doesn’t happen often. ALP is leading the race for the 6th senate position, though One Nation and Legalise Cannabis have a shot.
The 6th position in Qld is probably going to come down to One Nation versus Legalise Cannabis. One Nation is ahead.
In Victoria, UAP is ahead. Again, Legalise Cannabis has a chance.
In NSW, probably the final slot will go to the Liberals, but One Nation has a chance.
So if the “likely” winners win, we will end up with 39 for the Left, 2 for the Centre, 35 for the Right.
Best case scenario for the Right would be 37 Left, 1 Centre, 38 Right.
If we consider Legalise Cannabis to be Left (it is patchy, they are a bit antivax) then the best case scenario for the Left would be 42 Left, 2 Centre, 32 Right.
Somewhat disheartening that it is possible we will end up with a Senate with 5 One Nation members, or 2 for UAP, but there you go.
You will never find a more unrepresentative hive of scum and villainy.
I would have said that was a Keating quote – but apparently it is not.
Next Level Fuck
The What
captain_spalding said:
The Shovel:‘Sydney Airport announces new ‘Scott Morrison Memorial Terminal’, after Liberals lose PM in disaster’
‘Morrison escapes on holiday as nation experiences massive landslide’
‘Senior Liberal figures to examine how electorate got it so wrong’
Oh that last one is so funny…
SCIENCE said:
Next Level Fuck
The What
Who is that person?
buffy said:
SCIENCE said:
Next Level Fuck
The What
Who is that person?
Random idiot.
buffy said:
SCIENCE said:
Next Level Fuck
The What
Who is that person?
an expert
according to WINTATE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay_Bhattacharya
Jayanta “Jay” Bhattacharya (born 1968) is a professor of medicine at Stanford University and a research associate at the National Bureau of Economic Research. He directs Stanford’s Center for Demography and Economics of Health and Aging. During the COVID-19 pandemic, Bhattacharya has been an opponent of lockdowns and mask mandates. With Martin Kulldorff and Sunetra Gupta, he was a co-author in 2020 of the Great Barrington Declaration, which advocated letting the virus spread in lower-risk groups with the aim of herd immunity, with “focused protection” of those most at risk.
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:SCIENCE said:
Next Level Fuck
The What
Who is that person?
an expert
according to WINTATE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay_Bhattacharya
Jayanta “Jay” Bhattacharya (born 1968) is a professor of medicine at Stanford University and a research associate at the National Bureau of Economic Research. He directs Stanford’s Center for Demography and Economics of Health and Aging. During the COVID-19 pandemic, Bhattacharya has been an opponent of lockdowns and mask mandates. With Martin Kulldorff and Sunetra Gupta, he was a co-author in 2020 of the Great Barrington Declaration, which advocated letting the virus spread in lower-risk groups with the aim of herd immunity, with “focused protection” of those most at risk.
Ah, sadly influential random idiot.
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:SCIENCE said:
Next Level Fuck
The What
Who is that person?
an expert
according to WINTATE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay_Bhattacharya
Jayanta “Jay” Bhattacharya (born 1968) is a professor of medicine at Stanford University and a research associate at the National Bureau of Economic Research. He directs Stanford’s Center for Demography and Economics of Health and Aging. During the COVID-19 pandemic, Bhattacharya has been an opponent of lockdowns and mask mandates. With Martin Kulldorff and Sunetra Gupta, he was a co-author in 2020 of the Great Barrington Declaration, which advocated letting the virus spread in lower-risk groups with the aim of herd immunity, with “focused protection” of those most at risk.
Typical yank with no understanding of the world outside their own borders then?
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:Who is that person?
an expert
according to WINTATE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay_Bhattacharya
Jayanta “Jay” Bhattacharya (born 1968) is a professor of medicine at Stanford University and a research associate at the National Bureau of Economic Research. He directs Stanford’s Center for Demography and Economics of Health and Aging. During the COVID-19 pandemic, Bhattacharya has been an opponent of lockdowns and mask mandates. With Martin Kulldorff and Sunetra Gupta, he was a co-author in 2020 of the Great Barrington Declaration, which advocated letting the virus spread in lower-risk groups with the aim of herd immunity, with “focused protection” of those most at risk.
Typical yank with no understanding of the world outside their own borders then?
Someone might mention to him that the “anti-lockdown” parties got nowhere in this election, but I suspect the truth is of no concern to him.
SCIENCE said:
Bubblecar said:
Random idiot.
if only
All lies and jest
Still, a man hears what he wants to hear
And disregards the rest
Lie-la-lie
Lie-la-lie-lie-lie-lie-lie
Bubblecar said:
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:an expert
according to WINTATE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay_Bhattacharya
Jayanta “Jay” Bhattacharya (born 1968) is a professor of medicine at Stanford University and a research associate at the National Bureau of Economic Research. He directs Stanford’s Center for Demography and Economics of Health and Aging. During the COVID-19 pandemic, Bhattacharya has been an opponent of lockdowns and mask mandates. With Martin Kulldorff and Sunetra Gupta, he was a co-author in 2020 of the Great Barrington Declaration, which advocated letting the virus spread in lower-risk groups with the aim of herd immunity, with “focused protection” of those most at risk.
Typical yank with no understanding of the world outside their own borders then?
Someone might mention to him that the “anti-lockdown” parties got nowhere in this election, but I suspect the truth is of no concern to him.
Or that the conventional wisdom in WA (the state with the largest swing against) is that Morrison’s support for the Clive Palmer challenge to the travel restrictions is one of the key factors contributing to making the swing bigger in WA, on top of the climate change, misogyny and corruption issues generally. Also worth pointing out the landslide victory McGowan had when the outside world was at the peak of the global pandemic.
Bubblecar said:
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:an expert
according to WINTATE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay_Bhattacharya
Jayanta “Jay” Bhattacharya (born 1968) is a professor of medicine at Stanford University and a research associate at the National Bureau of Economic Research. He directs Stanford’s Center for Demography and Economics of Health and Aging. During the COVID-19 pandemic, Bhattacharya has been an opponent of lockdowns and mask mandates. With Martin Kulldorff and Sunetra Gupta, he was a co-author in 2020 of the Great Barrington Declaration, which advocated letting the virus spread in lower-risk groups with the aim of herd immunity, with “focused protection” of those most at risk.
Typical yank with no understanding of the world outside their own borders then?
Someone might mention to him that the “anti-lockdown” parties got nowhere in this election, but I suspect the truth is of no concern to him.
Nods.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-24/federal-election-china-message-what-does-it-mean/101094068
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-24/federal-election-china-message-what-does-it-mean/101094068
Chinese Premier Li Keqiang had a warm welcome message for Anthony Albanese. Is this the start of a new friendship with China?
surely it’s just a sign that CHINA own the Labor party
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-24/federal-election-china-message-what-does-it-mean/101094068
Chinese Premier Li Keqiang had a warm welcome message for Anthony Albanese. Is this the start of a new friendship with China?
surely it’s just a sign that CHINA own the Labor party
ScoMo told us that that would happen. Did we listen? We thought it was just another of his numerous lies.
ABC News:
‘Conservative hardhead Peter Dutton looks set to take over from Scott Morrison as the next leader of the Liberal Party with former environment minister Sussan Ley shaping up as the frontrunner to take on the deputy position.”
So…we had an environment minister all those years?
Gee, they kept that quiet.
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘Conservative hardhead Peter Dutton looks set to take over from Scott Morrison as the next leader of the Liberal Party with former environment minister Sussan Ley shaping up as the frontrunner to take on the deputy position.”
So…we had an environment minister all those years?
Gee, they kept that quiet.
Hardhead?
Potatoes aren’t hard.
Kind of weird how the LNP still dominate the Federal sphere in Qld, especially considering the state Labor government is not doing too badly. I suppose there are more reasons in Qld to distrust the state LNP than the federal. There was a big swing, about 5%, but Queensland is the only state where the Coalition got a majority of the 2PP at this election.
All up it appears the Coalition will only lose 2 seats in Qld: Brisbane and Ryan.
In other news, William Bowe of the Pollbludger has been tracking the flavour of the postal votes. Whereas the ABC site still shows Macnamara as In Doubt, William has given that as a certainty to the ALP. This gets the ALP to 75, needing just one more from the remaining 6 In Doubt seats.
Sturt, Gilmore and Bass, he suggests, now look very good for the Liberals.
That just leaves Lyons, Brisbane, and Deakin as places where ALP could get the one more required.
Labor is 700 votes ahead in Lyons but that lead may be whittled away by postal votes.
Liberals are 74 votes ahead in Deakin,
Brisbane is definitely lost for the Libs. The contest is to see whether the Greens or ALP make it to 2nd place after distribution of preferences: whichever of them gets silver will subsequently get gold. Right now it is looking close as heck.
The Rev Dodgson said:
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘Conservative hardhead Peter Dutton looks set to take over from Scott Morrison as the next leader of the Liberal Party with former environment minister Sussan Ley shaping up as the frontrunner to take on the deputy position.”
So…we had an environment minister all those years?
Gee, they kept that quiet.
Hardhead?
Potatoes aren’t hard.
I’ve heard of ‘hothead’ but ‘hardhead’?
The Rev Dodgson said:
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘Conservative hardhead Peter Dutton looks set to take over from Scott Morrison as the next leader of the Liberal Party with former environment minister Sussan Ley shaping up as the frontrunner to take on the deputy position.”
So…we had an environment minister all those years?
Gee, they kept that quiet.
Hardhead?
Potatoes aren’t hard.
Probably autocorrect or something.
They no doubt intended for ‘boofhead’ to appear in the text.
The Rev Dodgson said:
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘Conservative hardhead Peter Dutton looks set to take over from Scott Morrison as the next leader of the Liberal Party with former environment minister Sussan Ley shaping up as the frontrunner to take on the deputy position.”
So…we had an environment minister all those years?
Gee, they kept that quiet.
Hardhead?
Potatoes aren’t hard.
I’ll chuck a few at you and then we’ll see!!!
AEC website says that ALP is ‘leading’ in 76 seats.
captain_spalding said:
AEC website says that ALP is ‘leading’ in 76 seats.
Don’t look at the AEC for that. It’s not what they are good at: they have a very simple algorithm that’s not very predictive.
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘Conservative hardhead Peter Dutton looks set to take over from Scott Morrison as the next leader of the Liberal Party with former environment minister Sussan Ley shaping up as the frontrunner to take on the deputy position.”
So…we had an environment minister all those years?
Gee, they kept that quiet.
Hardhead?
Potatoes aren’t hard.
Probably autocorrect or something.
They no doubt intended for ‘boofhead’ to appear in the text.
I am distressed to see that boofhead has increased his lead at Dickson.
The “postal votes go 90% to Labor” hypothesis does not seem to be holding up.
Bogsnorkler said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘Conservative hardhead Peter Dutton looks set to take over from Scott Morrison as the next leader of the Liberal Party with former environment minister Sussan Ley shaping up as the frontrunner to take on the deputy position.”
So…we had an environment minister all those years?
Gee, they kept that quiet.
Hardhead?
Potatoes aren’t hard.
I’ll chuck a few at you and then we’ll see!!!
I’ve seen a steel-pipe spud cannon, fired by black powder.
Potatoes make quite adequate projectiles, if you use a suitable wad in there.
Cement-filled beer cans…that takes it to a whole other level.
The Rev Dodgson said:
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Hardhead?
Potatoes aren’t hard.
Probably autocorrect or something.
They no doubt intended for ‘boofhead’ to appear in the text.
I am distressed to see that boofhead has increased his lead at Dickson.
The “postal votes go 90% to Labor” hypothesis does not seem to be holding up.
Blimey, who was saying the postal votes would go 90% to Labor?
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
captain_spalding said:Probably autocorrect or something.
They no doubt intended for ‘boofhead’ to appear in the text.
I am distressed to see that boofhead has increased his lead at Dickson.
The “postal votes go 90% to Labor” hypothesis does not seem to be holding up.
Blimey, who was saying the postal votes would go 90% to Labor?
I was exaggerating what I suggested yesterday, a little.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I am distressed to see that boofhead has increased his lead at Dickson.
The “postal votes go 90% to Labor” hypothesis does not seem to be holding up.
Blimey, who was saying the postal votes would go 90% to Labor?
I was exaggerating what I suggested yesterday, a little.
Certainly seems a complicated picture on postals this year: in general they are 6% more Labory than postal votes usually are, but that doesn’t overcome the fact that they are still a tad conservative in most seats. There are exceptions: in Lyons the postals seem to be at worst neutral for ALP which may mean that they may hope to maintain their lead there.
captain_spalding said:
AEC website says that ALP is ‘leading’ in 76 seats.
they are taking their sweet time doing the counting.
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:
AEC website says that ALP is ‘leading’ in 76 seats.
they are taking their sweet time doing the counting.
Go too fast, you make mistakes.
Each counter counts one vote every 20 minutes.
I think Betoota already did this in satire form but the Libs are not to be outdone.
dv said:
I think Betoota already did this in satire form but the Libs are not to be outdone.
I’m surprised that clown managed to retain its seat.
The Rev Dodgson said:
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Hardhead?
Potatoes aren’t hard.
Probably autocorrect or something.
They no doubt intended for ‘boofhead’ to appear in the text.
I am distressed to see that boofhead has increased his lead at Dickson.
The “postal votes go 90% to Labor” hypothesis does not seem to be holding up.
Most unfortunately, no.
:(
captain_spalding said:
Bogsnorkler said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Hardhead?
Potatoes aren’t hard.
I’ll chuck a few at you and then we’ll see!!!
I’ve seen a steel-pipe spud cannon, fired by black powder.
Potatoes make quite adequate projectiles, if you use a suitable wad in there.
Cement-filled beer cans…that takes it to a whole other level.
Oh yes.
(Memories of a valley north of Lithgow.)
dv said:
I think Betoota already did this in satire form but the Libs are not to be outdone.
It might just show how Tudge thinks…
Michael V said:
dv said:
I think Betoota already did this in satire form but the Libs are not to be outdone.
It might just show how Tudge thinks…
“We would have won if not for the other party” is I suppose a reasonable take but I’m not sure what lessons he will learn.
Despite Ken Wyatt’s loss, it appears there will be a record number of indigenous Australians in parliament, 7 by my count.
Jana Stewart has been reelected, ALP senator for Victoria who was appointed after the death of Kimberley Kitching.
Linda Burney has been reelected, ALP member for Barton.
Dorinda Cox reelected, Greens senator for WA who replaced Siewert following her resignation in 2020.
Lidia Thorpe reelected, Greens senator for Victoria who replaced RDN following his resignation in 2020.
Malarndirri McArthy reelected to a third term as ALP senator for NT.
Jacinta Nampijinpa Price newly elected Country Liberal senator for NT.
Marion Scrymgour newly elected ALP member for Lingiari. Scrymgour has been in NT politics since the turn of the millennium and is former Deputy Chief Minister.
Indeed aboriginal women now make up 75% of the NT’s representatives in Federal parliament.
dv said:
Despite Ken Wyatt’s loss, it appears there will be a record number of indigenous Australians in parliament, 7 by my count.Jana Stewart has been reelected, ALP senator for Victoria who was appointed after the death of Kimberley Kitching.
Linda Burney has been reelected, ALP member for Barton.
Dorinda Cox reelected, Greens senator for WA who replaced Siewert following her resignation in 2020.
Lidia Thorpe reelected, Greens senator for Victoria who replaced RDN following his resignation in 2020.
Malarndirri McArthy reelected to a third term as ALP senator for NT.
Jacinta Nampijinpa Price newly elected Country Liberal senator for NT.
Marion Scrymgour newly elected ALP member for Lingiari. Scrymgour has been in NT politics since the turn of the millennium and is former Deputy Chief Minister.
Indeed aboriginal women now make up 75% of the NT’s representatives in Federal parliament.
Good.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Despite Ken Wyatt’s loss, it appears there will be a record number of indigenous Australians in parliament, 7 by my count.Jana Stewart has been reelected, ALP senator for Victoria who was appointed after the death of Kimberley Kitching.
Linda Burney has been reelected, ALP member for Barton.
Dorinda Cox reelected, Greens senator for WA who replaced Siewert following her resignation in 2020.
Lidia Thorpe reelected, Greens senator for Victoria who replaced RDN following his resignation in 2020.
Malarndirri McArthy reelected to a third term as ALP senator for NT.
Jacinta Nampijinpa Price newly elected Country Liberal senator for NT.
Marion Scrymgour newly elected ALP member for Lingiari. Scrymgour has been in NT politics since the turn of the millennium and is former Deputy Chief Minister.
Indeed aboriginal women now make up 75% of the NT’s representatives in Federal parliament.
Good.
Yes. I had a small part in those Victorian ones.
Terri Butler (ALP) lost her seat to the Greens. Some people are saying this concession sounds petty but that’s not how I’m reading it… seems matter of fact.
dv said:
Terri Butler (ALP) lost her seat to the Greens. Some people are saying this concession sounds petty but that’s not how I’m reading it… seems matter of fact.
Does not seem petty to me.
sibeen said:
dv said:
Terri Butler (ALP) lost her seat to the Greens. Some people are saying this concession sounds petty but that’s not how I’m reading it… seems matter of fact.
Does not seem petty to me.
yep, as DV say, matter of fact.
sibeen said:
dv said:
Terri Butler (ALP) lost her seat to the Greens. Some people are saying this concession sounds petty but that’s not how I’m reading it… seems matter of fact.
Does not seem petty to me.
I can’t detect any ill feeling.
sibeen said:
dv said:
Terri Butler (ALP) lost her seat to the Greens. Some people are saying this concession sounds petty but that’s not how I’m reading it… seems matter of fact.
Does not seem petty to me.
Seems pretty straightforward. It doesn’t invite requests for assistance from an experienced local MP, but it does provide information about where to seek it.
Bubblecar said:
I can’t detect any ill feeling.
Maybe some people’s spellchecker changes “good luck” to “get fucked”.
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:
I can’t detect any ill feeling.
Maybe some people’s spellchecker changes “good luck” to “get fucked”.
As Elvis Costello put it, ‘i wish you luck with a capital ‘F’‘.
well all you communists would say that, everyone on the team is seen through red coloured glasses
captain_spalding said:
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:
I can’t detect any ill feeling.
Maybe some people’s spellchecker changes “good luck” to “get fucked”.
As Elvis Costello put it, ‘i wish you luck with a capital ‘F’‘.
I’m sure we would all like Food luck
dv said:
Terri Butler (ALP) lost her seat to the Greens. Some people are saying this concession sounds petty but that’s not how I’m reading it… seems matter of fact.
It has a strange tone about it.
Michael V said:
dv said:
Terri Butler (ALP) lost her seat to the Greens. Some people are saying this concession sounds petty but that’s not how I’m reading it… seems matter of fact.
It has a strange tone about it.
Well, she’d obviously be disappointed to not be re-elected, and she’s hardly likely to be effusive over an opponent’s win, now is she?
Michael V said:
dv said:
Terri Butler (ALP) lost her seat to the Greens. Some people are saying this concession sounds petty but that’s not how I’m reading it… seems matter of fact.
It has a strange tone about it.
It reads like it is answering questions.
Bogsnorkler said:
I somehow suspect that this might not gain a lot of traction.
Bogsnorkler said:
SWS
sibeen said:
Bogsnorkler said:
I somehow suspect that this might not gain a lot of traction.
it is from Pauline’s page. Copy the yanks and think they’re smart.
More than 1 million people cast informal votes in the election
By Nigel Gladstone
More than 639,000 voters cast informal ballots for the House of Representatives in Saturday’s election, while the Senate has received more than 523,000 informal votes so far, figures that could climb as counting continues.
Nearly 35,000 people cast spoiled ballots in four adjoining Western Sydney seats, meaning more than 10 per cent of votes in Blaxland, Fowler, McMahon and Werriwa will not count towards the election result.
All of those electorates have high migrant populations and registered higher-than-average voter turnout but topped the list of places where votes were wasted. The lowest rates of informal votes, under 2 per cent, were seen in the seats of Canberra, Brisbane and Griffith.
Zoom into your electorate below to see how many people wasted their vote. Please note not all the electorates will show current counts as the Australian Electoral Commission data may not include data for independent or Greens seats.
…
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/election-2022-results-live-updates-anthony-albanese-penny-wong-in-japan-for-quad-meeting-peter-dutton-expected-to-become-liberal-party-leader-20220523-p5antw.html
Bogsnorkler said:
Spot the faux “news” viewers.
Also, the quantity of spelling/grammar mistakes per rant/ramble is telling.
Witty Rejoinder said:
More than 1 million people cast informal votes in the election
By Nigel Gladstone
More than 639,000 voters cast informal ballots for the House of Representatives in Saturday’s election, while the Senate has received more than 523,000 informal votes so far, figures that could climb as counting continues.Nearly 35,000 people cast spoiled ballots in four adjoining Western Sydney seats, meaning more than 10 per cent of votes in Blaxland, Fowler, McMahon and Werriwa will not count towards the election result.
All of those electorates have high migrant populations and registered higher-than-average voter turnout but topped the list of places where votes were wasted. The lowest rates of informal votes, under 2 per cent, were seen in the seats of Canberra, Brisbane and Griffith.
Zoom into your electorate below to see how many people wasted their vote. Please note not all the electorates will show current counts as the Australian Electoral Commission data may not include data for independent or Greens seats.
…
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/election-2022-results-live-updates-anthony-albanese-penny-wong-in-japan-for-quad-meeting-peter-dutton-expected-to-become-liberal-party-leader-20220523-p5antw.html
I would be interested to know what sort of invalid vote it was – did they just tick or cross one box, did they not number all the boxes correctly, or did they deliberately go for the “draw a cock and balls” invalid vote. I would like to know if was accident, ignorance or bloody-mindedness.
party_pants said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
More than 1 million people cast informal votes in the election
By Nigel Gladstone
More than 639,000 voters cast informal ballots for the House of Representatives in Saturday’s election, while the Senate has received more than 523,000 informal votes so far, figures that could climb as counting continues.Nearly 35,000 people cast spoiled ballots in four adjoining Western Sydney seats, meaning more than 10 per cent of votes in Blaxland, Fowler, McMahon and Werriwa will not count towards the election result.
All of those electorates have high migrant populations and registered higher-than-average voter turnout but topped the list of places where votes were wasted. The lowest rates of informal votes, under 2 per cent, were seen in the seats of Canberra, Brisbane and Griffith.
Zoom into your electorate below to see how many people wasted their vote. Please note not all the electorates will show current counts as the Australian Electoral Commission data may not include data for independent or Greens seats.
…
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/election-2022-results-live-updates-anthony-albanese-penny-wong-in-japan-for-quad-meeting-peter-dutton-expected-to-become-liberal-party-leader-20220523-p5antw.html
I would be interested to know what sort of invalid vote it was – did they just tick or cross one box, did they not number all the boxes correctly, or did they deliberately go for the “draw a cock and balls” invalid vote. I would like to know if was accident, ignorance or bloody-mindedness.
Certainly wasn’t me, I made sure I ticked every box.
Bloke seems fired-up.
Hopefully this new mob won’t fk it up as badly as the last bunch of chimpanzees.
Spiny Norman said:
Bloke seems fired-up.
Hopefully this new mob won’t fk it up as badly as the last bunch of chimpanzees.
He should tell us what he really thinks.
Spiny Norman said:
Bloke seems fired-up.
Hopefully this new mob won’t fk it up as badly as the last bunch of chimpanzees.
Seems unlikely that they could be as miserable as that bloke.
You’d think the election result might have cheered him up a bit.
party_pants said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
More than 1 million people cast informal votes in the election
By Nigel Gladstone
More than 639,000 voters cast informal ballots for the House of Representatives in Saturday’s election, while the Senate has received more than 523,000 informal votes so far, figures that could climb as counting continues.Nearly 35,000 people cast spoiled ballots in four adjoining Western Sydney seats, meaning more than 10 per cent of votes in Blaxland, Fowler, McMahon and Werriwa will not count towards the election result.
All of those electorates have high migrant populations and registered higher-than-average voter turnout but topped the list of places where votes were wasted. The lowest rates of informal votes, under 2 per cent, were seen in the seats of Canberra, Brisbane and Griffith.
Zoom into your electorate below to see how many people wasted their vote. Please note not all the electorates will show current counts as the Australian Electoral Commission data may not include data for independent or Greens seats.
…
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/election-2022-results-live-updates-anthony-albanese-penny-wong-in-japan-for-quad-meeting-peter-dutton-expected-to-become-liberal-party-leader-20220523-p5antw.html
I would be interested to know what sort of invalid vote it was – did they just tick or cross one box, did they not number all the boxes correctly, or did they deliberately go for the “draw a cock and balls” invalid vote. I would like to know if was accident, ignorance or bloody-mindedness.
I just asked Ms Kingy, who has run several election booths over many elections, and counted thousands of votes herself.
The bulk of informal votes are people who don’t understand the instructions, and either:
Don’t fill out all the required numbers,
Don’t know how to count,
Scribble out the one they don’t like,
Circle the one they want,
Leave it a blank ballot,
Write things like “get fucked” on it.
Very few dick & balls. I even asked if any of the invalid ballots made her laugh, but sadly, no.
Australia has millions more women than first expected, a preliminary post-election analysis by the Liberal Party has found.
“That was the big miss for us,” a spokesperson for the Liberal Party’s Election Assessment Panel conceded. “We thought women made up five, maybe ten percent of the population. But turns out it’s actually much higher than that – maybe even as high as 40%”. He said the post-mortem had been an eye-opener for many within the party. “We knew about Jenny And The Girls, of course. Julie Bishop is a woman, obviously. And that person who didn’t smile when she met the PM is one too. But we didn’t expect them to be quite so prevalent across the country. They’re everywhere!”
He said it wasn’t the party’s fault that they had totally miscalculated the number of women. “I just wish they’d made themselves more known, made some more noise. Had they done that we could’ve got Scotty to dress up as a woman and do some ironing or cleaning for the cameras, to make them feel more included”.
The party says it will act immediately on the findings of the report, once Kathy on the front desk has typed it up.
https://www.theshovel.com.au/2022/05/24/liberal-party-underestimated-number-of-women-in-australia/
Kingy said:
Spiny Norman said:
Bloke seems fired-up.
Hopefully this new mob won’t fk it up as badly as the last bunch of chimpanzees.
He should tell us what he really thinks.
yeah, it’d do him good to let his feelings out.
Kingy said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Spot the faux “news” viewers.
Also, the quantity of spelling/grammar mistakes per rant/ramble is telling.
I do like the suggestion of running an election under the supervision of the AFP.
The twin ideas that there’s enough AFP officers to spread around the country to ensure that no electoral workers anywhere can, at any time, get up to anything dodgy, and that the AFP is presumed to be an incorruptible and apolitical agency.
https://www.news.com.au/finance/money/budgeting/inside-scott-morrisons-new-life-with-slashed-salary-loss-of-house-chefs-cars-after-election-loss/news-story/2d1ff73e4aab85988ac141e8ec150e4c
on the bones of his arse.
Bogsnorkler said:
https://www.news.com.au/finance/money/budgeting/inside-scott-morrisons-new-life-with-slashed-salary-loss-of-house-chefs-cars-after-election-loss/news-story/2d1ff73e4aab85988ac141e8ec150e4con the bones of his arse.
Surely Rupert isn’t one to callously discard one who served him so well?
And what of Gerry Harvey? He must have soft spot for Scotty.
captain_spalding said:
Bogsnorkler said:
https://www.news.com.au/finance/money/budgeting/inside-scott-morrisons-new-life-with-slashed-salary-loss-of-house-chefs-cars-after-election-loss/news-story/2d1ff73e4aab85988ac141e8ec150e4con the bones of his arse.
Surely Rupert isn’t one to callously discard one who served him so well?
And what of Gerry Harvey? He must have soft spot for Scotty.
Jésus Fuçking Christ
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:
Bogsnorkler said:
on the bones of his arse.
Surely Rupert isn’t one to callously discard one who served him so well?
And what of Gerry Harvey? He must have soft spot for Scotty.
Jésus Fuçking Christ
sorry let us elaborate, at $0.2M what the fuck, our comrade right here asks
if we keep saying that if we want better people for xyz job then just pay them more
then one how did we end up with these shittest dudes in power
and two well then how bloody much do we have to pay these monkeys to get good ones
wtf
dv said:
He looking to make a come-back or something?
dv said:
But..australian issues are Liberal issues and Liberal issues are racist.
sarahs mum said:
Australia has millions more women than first expected, a preliminary post-election analysis by the Liberal Party has found.“That was the big miss for us,” a spokesperson for the Liberal Party’s Election Assessment Panel conceded. “We thought women made up five, maybe ten percent of the population. But turns out it’s actually much higher than that – maybe even as high as 40%”. He said the post-mortem had been an eye-opener for many within the party. “We knew about Jenny And The Girls, of course. Julie Bishop is a woman, obviously. And that person who didn’t smile when she met the PM is one too. But we didn’t expect them to be quite so prevalent across the country. They’re everywhere!”
He said it wasn’t the party’s fault that they had totally miscalculated the number of women. “I just wish they’d made themselves more known, made some more noise. Had they done that we could’ve got Scotty to dress up as a woman and do some ironing or cleaning for the cameras, to make them feel more included”.
The party says it will act immediately on the findings of the report, once Kathy on the front desk has typed it up.
https://www.theshovel.com.au/2022/05/24/liberal-party-underestimated-number-of-women-in-australia/
giggle
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
But..australian issues are Liberal issues and Liberal issues are racist.
It’s all a rich tapestry
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
But..australian issues are Liberal issues and Liberal issues are racist.
It’s all a rich tapestry
Unlike the Bayeux, which is really an embroidery.
dv said:
“A dipstick looking for a sump”
.. I’m pinching that one.
how did Barnaby go? Is his electorate getting smarter?
dv said:
:)
dv said:
Absolutely.
sarahs mum said:
how did Barnaby go? Is his electorate getting smarter?
It appears they got 1.2% smarter. Probably need another Tony Windsor style independent to take it off him.
dv said:
LOLOLOL
dv said:
so they all support ICAC then nice
dv said:
I so hope they get the right model for an ICAC up, and quickly.
sarahs mum said:
how did Barnaby go? Is his electorate getting smarter?
The previous incumbent was Tony Windsor, so no, not really.
Michael V said:
dv said:
Absolutely.
I think the same can be said for climate change.
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
how did Barnaby go? Is his electorate getting smarter?
It appears they got 1.2% smarter. Probably need another Tony Windsor style independent to take it off him.
A chick in an akubra and moleskins with a good dog.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
He looking to make a come-back or something?
but here’s the thing, if you were part of something, might even have been a good something
and then years later you realised that something had changed and become another thing, a shit thing
is the right thing to do then, go back and say actually yeah this was my something, i want to go back to the good something
or is the left thing better to say, actually these fuckers have changed my good something to a shit thing, and i’ll not have my legacy connected to their shit thing
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
He looking to make a come-back or something?
but here’s the thing, if you were part of something, might even have been a good something
and then years later you realised that something had changed and become another thing, a shit thing
is the right thing to do then, go back and say actually yeah this was my something, i want to go back to the good something
or is the left thing better to say, actually these fuckers have changed my good something to a shit thing, and i’ll not have my legacy connected to their shit thing
Deep and complex…
dv said:
My best friend is Chris Barrett.
Just not that one – although I suspect that their political compasses would be quite well aligned.
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
He looking to make a come-back or something?
but here’s the thing, if you were part of something, might even have been a good something
and then years later you realised that something had changed and become another thing, a shit thing
is the right thing to do then, go back and say actually yeah this was my something, i want to go back to the good something
or is the left thing better to say, actually these fuckers have changed my good something to a shit thing, and i’ll not have my legacy connected to their shit thing
I dunt want seem too witeral but dare says indigenous issues means just what it says, or I might puts it indigenous’ issues to clarify
further I might add that most life on earth has issues not entirely unrelated, 7+billion people and growing cunt really be friendly to much indigenous of any life, no matters how you see it
The AEC has supressed the preference count in Brisbane as it is not possible to determine the final pairing of candidates. The LNP lead on first preferences and will provide one of the final two candidates, but the LNP cannot win from its current primary vote. The winner in Brisbane will be whichever of Labor and the Greens finishes second during the distribution of preferences. Until then, Brisbane map flip between having Labor and the Greens ahead as a result of the narrow gap between the two parties.
sarahs mum said:
:)
dv said:
Fucking Nobel Laureates, what the fuck would they know, eh.
sibeen said:
dv said:
Fucking Nobel Laureates, what the fuck would they know, eh.
how to make a salad out of some words
Seems Spud will run unopposed for the leadership.
He might be the Brendan Nelson of our times.
Opening a book: what will Dutton’s approval level be in the first poll?
Today the first batches of phone voting results will be added. Be interested to see how they lean.
dv said:
Opening a book: what will Dutton’s approval level be in the first poll?
I just wish people would stop affectionately calling him a “potato”.
He more closely resembles a ghoul from the grave.
Not just the blank head and inhuman eyes, he seems to be covered in some kind of luminescent white mould.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Opening a book: what will Dutton’s approval level be in the first poll?
I just wish people would stop affectionately calling him a “potato”.
He more closely resembles a ghoul from the grave.
Not just the blank head and inhuman eyes, he seems to be covered in some kind of luminescent white mould.
How about Pete the Ghoul?
I’m going for 25% approval.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Opening a book: what will Dutton’s approval level be in the first poll?
I just wish people would stop affectionately calling him a “potato”.
He more closely resembles a ghoul from the grave.
Not just the blank head and inhuman eyes, he seems to be covered in some kind of luminescent white mould.
I was thinking this might be the worst result for the Coalition ever, but by my calcs they did have one worse result: the very first year of the Liberal/Country party coalition back in 1946. They got 26 seats out of 74, 35% of the House. This time ‘round it seems likely they’ll get 59 out of 151, which is 39%.
dv said:
I was thinking this might be the worst result for the Coalition ever, but by my calcs they did have one worse result: the very first year of the Liberal/Country party coalition back in 1946. They got 26 seats out of 74, 35% of the House. This time ‘round it seems likely they’ll get 59 out of 151, which is 39%.
It’s not all bad news, they got 48% of the 2pp but having said that it’s still going to take the Borg two terms to stuff things up.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
I was thinking this might be the worst result for the Coalition ever, but by my calcs they did have one worse result: the very first year of the Liberal/Country party coalition back in 1946. They got 26 seats out of 74, 35% of the House. This time ‘round it seems likely they’ll get 59 out of 151, which is 39%.
It’s not all bad news, they got 48% of the 2pp but having said that it’s still going to take the Borg two terms to stuff things up.
I think you’ll find the situation may prove terminal for the Tories.
Sure, they’ve lost to Labor before, but they haven’t lost this many seats to independents before.
They took their traditional base too much for granted for far too long, while failing to deliver what they demand.
It’s not likely they’ll be able to recover those voters now eagerly backing independents.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
I was thinking this might be the worst result for the Coalition ever, but by my calcs they did have one worse result: the very first year of the Liberal/Country party coalition back in 1946. They got 26 seats out of 74, 35% of the House. This time ‘round it seems likely they’ll get 59 out of 151, which is 39%.
It’s not all bad news, they got 48% of the 2pp but having said that it’s still going to take the Borg two terms to stuff things up.
The Labs didn’t pick up many seats from the Libs and non from the Nats so presumably it’s the Indies that will need to balls things up in order for change to occur.. or maybe, it’s the Libs that will actually have to turn around their own performance in order to change their prospects…
Bubblecar said:
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
I was thinking this might be the worst result for the Coalition ever, but by my calcs they did have one worse result: the very first year of the Liberal/Country party coalition back in 1946. They got 26 seats out of 74, 35% of the House. This time ‘round it seems likely they’ll get 59 out of 151, which is 39%.
It’s not all bad news, they got 48% of the 2pp but having said that it’s still going to take the Borg two terms to stuff things up.
I think you’ll find the situation may prove terminal for the Tories.
Sure, they’ve lost to Labor before, but they haven’t lost this many seats to independents before.
They took their traditional base too much for granted for far too long, while failing to deliver what they demand.
It’s not likely they’ll be able to recover those voters now eagerly backing independents.
it will largely depend on how they pivot… if for instance if in opposition they drop the coalition agreement, take a step to the centre and address the structural representation problems they have they may be able to sway back the Indie voters… But yes, it’s going to be difficult for them.
Maybe the Member for Dickson can lead them through the wilderness – only time will tell
diddly-squat said:
Bubblecar said:
Peak Warming Man said:It’s not all bad news, they got 48% of the 2pp but having said that it’s still going to take the Borg two terms to stuff things up.
I think you’ll find the situation may prove terminal for the Tories.
Sure, they’ve lost to Labor before, but they haven’t lost this many seats to independents before.
They took their traditional base too much for granted for far too long, while failing to deliver what they demand.
It’s not likely they’ll be able to recover those voters now eagerly backing independents.
it will largely depend on how they pivot… if for instance if in opposition they drop the coalition agreement, take a step to the centre and address the structural representation problems they have they may be able to sway back the Indie voters… But yes, it’s going to be difficult for them.
Maybe the Member for Dickson can lead them through the wilderness – only time will tell
He’s not the messiah, he just a …
sibeen said:
diddly-squat said:
Bubblecar said:I think you’ll find the situation may prove terminal for the Tories.
Sure, they’ve lost to Labor before, but they haven’t lost this many seats to independents before.
They took their traditional base too much for granted for far too long, while failing to deliver what they demand.
It’s not likely they’ll be able to recover those voters now eagerly backing independents.
it will largely depend on how they pivot… if for instance if in opposition they drop the coalition agreement, take a step to the centre and address the structural representation problems they have they may be able to sway back the Indie voters… But yes, it’s going to be difficult for them.
Maybe the Member for Dickson can lead them through the wilderness – only time will tell
He’s not the messiah, he just a …
Can’t envisage the Dick for Memberson building a broad church.
Bubblecar said:
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
I was thinking this might be the worst result for the Coalition ever, but by my calcs they did have one worse result: the very first year of the Liberal/Country party coalition back in 1946. They got 26 seats out of 74, 35% of the House. This time ‘round it seems likely they’ll get 59 out of 151, which is 39%.
It’s not all bad news, they got 48% of the 2pp but having said that it’s still going to take the Borg two terms to stuff things up.
I think you’ll find the situation may prove terminal for the Tories.
Sure, they’ve lost to Labor before, but they haven’t lost this many seats to independents before.
They took their traditional base too much for granted for far too long, while failing to deliver what they demand.
It’s not likely they’ll be able to recover those voters now eagerly backing independents.
Especially when it seems they are now eagerly heading in the other direction.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
I was thinking this might be the worst result for the Coalition ever, but by my calcs they did have one worse result: the very first year of the Liberal/Country party coalition back in 1946. They got 26 seats out of 74, 35% of the House. This time ‘round it seems likely they’ll get 59 out of 151, which is 39%.
It’s not all bad news, they got 48% of the 2pp but having said that it’s still going to take the Borg two terms to stuff things up.
It’s really up to them. If they move back to centre and meet the Australian public halfway on emissions and corruption then they could be back in 2025.
Early signs are that that is the opposite of what they are going to do, and are adamant about not learning anything ever, but there’s heaps of time for a course correction.
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
I was thinking this might be the worst result for the Coalition ever, but by my calcs they did have one worse result: the very first year of the Liberal/Country party coalition back in 1946. They got 26 seats out of 74, 35% of the House. This time ‘round it seems likely they’ll get 59 out of 151, which is 39%.
It’s not all bad news, they got 48% of the 2pp but having said that it’s still going to take the Borg two terms to stuff things up.
It’s really up to them. If they move back to centre and meet the Australian public halfway on emissions and corruption then they could be back in 2025.
Early signs are that that is the opposite of what they are going to do, and are adamant about not learning anything ever, but there’s heaps of time for a course correction.
in fairness.. the Libs do opposition better than most
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:It’s not all bad news, they got 48% of the 2pp but having said that it’s still going to take the Borg two terms to stuff things up.
It’s really up to them. If they move back to centre and meet the Australian public halfway on emissions and corruption then they could be back in 2025.
Early signs are that that is the opposite of what they are going to do, and are adamant about not learning anything ever, but there’s heaps of time for a course correction.
in fairness.. the Libs do opposition better than most
For older generations who enjoy head-kicking and pointless point-scoring, maybe.
But the Abbott approach will go down very badly with those who’ve abandoned the Coalition.
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:It’s not all bad news, they got 48% of the 2pp but having said that it’s still going to take the Borg two terms to stuff things up.
It’s really up to them. If they move back to centre and meet the Australian public halfway on emissions and corruption then they could be back in 2025.
Early signs are that that is the opposite of what they are going to do, and are adamant about not learning anything ever, but there’s heaps of time for a course correction.
in fairness.. the Libs do opposition better than most
How can they do better than most when there are only 2 possible contenders in the opposition race?
Bubblecar said:
diddly-squat said:
dv said:It’s really up to them. If they move back to centre and meet the Australian public halfway on emissions and corruption then they could be back in 2025.
Early signs are that that is the opposite of what they are going to do, and are adamant about not learning anything ever, but there’s heaps of time for a course correction.
in fairness.. the Libs do opposition better than most
For older generations who enjoy head-kicking and pointless point-scoring, maybe.
But the Abbott approach will go down very badly with those who’ve abandoned the Coalition.
OTOH, they do seem to be good at picking good times to go into opposition, in the 21st Century at least.
The Rev Dodgson said:
diddly-squat said:
dv said:It’s really up to them. If they move back to centre and meet the Australian public halfway on emissions and corruption then they could be back in 2025.
Early signs are that that is the opposite of what they are going to do, and are adamant about not learning anything ever, but there’s heaps of time for a course correction.
in fairness.. the Libs do opposition better than most
How can they do better than most when there are only 2 possible contenders in the opposition race?
they continually outdo themselves
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bubblecar said:
diddly-squat said:in fairness.. the Libs do opposition better than most
For older generations who enjoy head-kicking and pointless point-scoring, maybe.
But the Abbott approach will go down very badly with those who’ve abandoned the Coalition.
OTOH, they do seem to be good at picking good times to go into opposition, in the 21st Century at least.
is the opposite of opposition, bipartisanship
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bubblecar said:For older generations who enjoy head-kicking and pointless point-scoring, maybe.
But the Abbott approach will go down very badly with those who’ve abandoned the Coalition.
OTOH, they do seem to be good at picking good times to go into opposition, in the 21st Century at least.
is the opposite of opposition, bipartisanship
No silly, it’s LEADERSHIP.
The Rev Dodgson said:
diddly-squat said:
dv said:It’s really up to them. If they move back to centre and meet the Australian public halfway on emissions and corruption then they could be back in 2025.
Early signs are that that is the opposite of what they are going to do, and are adamant about not learning anything ever, but there’s heaps of time for a course correction.
in fairness.. the Libs do opposition better than most
How can they do better than most when there are only 2 possible contenders in the opposition race?
my point, is that their particular “brand” of opposition is very fervent, much more so than you usually see from the Labs
diddly-squat said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
diddly-squat said:in fairness.. the Libs do opposition better than most
How can they do better than most when there are only 2 possible contenders in the opposition race?
my point, is that their particular “brand” of opposition is very fervent, much more so than you usually see from the Labs
Not sure about that.
I mean Albo toned it down this time because everyone says Bill overdid it last time.
diddly-squat said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
diddly-squat said:in fairness.. the Libs do opposition better than most
How can they do better than most when there are only 2 possible contenders in the opposition race?
my point, is that their particular “brand” of opposition is very fervent, much more so than you usually see from the Labs
Those who abandoned them for independents don’t want “fervent”, unless it’s a fervently co-operative and bipartisan approach to issues that matter.
They certainly don’t want fervent climate denialism and fervent social conservatism.
dv said:
Opening a book: what will Dutton’s approval level be in the first poll?
Will it even be measurable?
The Rev Dodgson said:
diddly-squat said:
The Rev Dodgson said:How can they do better than most when there are only 2 possible contenders in the opposition race?
my point, is that their particular “brand” of opposition is very fervent, much more so than you usually see from the Labs
Not sure about that.
I mean Albo toned it down this time because everyone says Bill overdid it last time.
I think Double A toned it down because he didn’t need to do much other than let Morrison keep digging…
buffy said:
dv said:
Opening a book: what will Dutton’s approval level be in the first poll?
Will it even be measurable?
If they put Potato Head in charge, they will have learnt nothing from this election. Not a thing. Nothing. Zip. zilch. Nein, Niet, el finito.
Bubblecar said:
diddly-squat said:
The Rev Dodgson said:How can they do better than most when there are only 2 possible contenders in the opposition race?
my point, is that their particular “brand” of opposition is very fervent, much more so than you usually see from the Labs
Those who abandoned them for independents don’t want “fervent”, unless it’s a fervently co-operative and bipartisan approach to issues that matter.
They certainly don’t want fervent climate denialism and fervent social conservatism.
I think you’ll find that a lot of the Lib backlash was specifically centred at ScoMo.. it’s going to take a while but many of the seats that voted in the Indies have only ever been blue.. voting for an independent was a big pill for a lot of voters to swallow and I’d suspect many will be itching to flip back.
furious said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
diddly-squat said:my point, is that their particular “brand” of opposition is very fervent, much more so than you usually see from the Labs
Not sure about that.
I mean Albo toned it down this time because everyone says Bill overdid it last time.
I think Double A toned it down because he didn’t need to do much other than let Morrison keep digging…
The Enough Rope principal.
buffy said:
furious said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Not sure about that.
I mean Albo toned it down this time because everyone says Bill overdid it last time.
I think Double A toned it down because he didn’t need to do much other than let Morrison keep digging…
The Enough Rope principal.
well that and over the past three years there’s not been (1) many sitting days and (2) much of the air in the room was taken up by covid related matters… the Premiers have had a bigger platform over the past three years then the opposition leader
Woodie said:
buffy said:
dv said:
Opening a book: what will Dutton’s approval level be in the first poll?
Will it even be measurable?
If they put Potato Head in charge, they will have learnt nothing from this election. Not a thing. Nothing. Zip. zilch. Nein, Niet, el finito.
There’s any doubt they won’t have leant anything?
diddly-squat said:
Bubblecar said:
diddly-squat said:my point, is that their particular “brand” of opposition is very fervent, much more so than you usually see from the Labs
Those who abandoned them for independents don’t want “fervent”, unless it’s a fervently co-operative and bipartisan approach to issues that matter.
They certainly don’t want fervent climate denialism and fervent social conservatism.
I think you’ll find that a lot of the Lib backlash was specifically centred at ScoMo.. it’s going to take a while but many of the seats that voted in the Indies have only ever been blue.. voting for an independent was a big pill for a lot of voters to swallow and I’d suspect many will be itching to flip back.
UNless it they represent their electorate like a Wilkie.
sarahs mum said:
diddly-squat said:
Bubblecar said:Those who abandoned them for independents don’t want “fervent”, unless it’s a fervently co-operative and bipartisan approach to issues that matter.
They certainly don’t want fervent climate denialism and fervent social conservatism.
I think you’ll find that a lot of the Lib backlash was specifically centred at ScoMo.. it’s going to take a while but many of the seats that voted in the Indies have only ever been blue.. voting for an independent was a big pill for a lot of voters to swallow and I’d suspect many will be itching to flip back.
UNless it they represent their electorate like a Wilkie.
Wilkie is in some ways a template for these new urban independents.
He’s shown that if you consistently reflect the views of the progressive urban middle class, they’ll remain very loyal for a long time.
sarahs mum said:
diddly-squat said:
Bubblecar said:Those who abandoned them for independents don’t want “fervent”, unless it’s a fervently co-operative and bipartisan approach to issues that matter.
They certainly don’t want fervent climate denialism and fervent social conservatism.
I think you’ll find that a lot of the Lib backlash was specifically centred at ScoMo.. it’s going to take a while but many of the seats that voted in the Indies have only ever been blue.. voting for an independent was a big pill for a lot of voters to swallow and I’d suspect many will be itching to flip back.
UNless it they represent their electorate like a Wilkie.
sure.. Independents tend to be hard to oust once they’ve got hold.. but the problem for Independents is two fold, (1) they rely strongly on their individual “brand” which means their appeal isn;t necessarily transferable and (2) many are not career politicians and as such they may not want to stay working in Parliament.
Woodie said:
buffy said:
dv said:
Opening a book: what will Dutton’s approval level be in the first poll?
Will it even be measurable?
If they put Potato Head in charge, they will have learnt nothing from this election. Not a thing. Nothing. Zip. zilch. Nein, Niet, el finito.
Tick.
sarahs mum said:
diddly-squat said:
Bubblecar said:Those who abandoned them for independents don’t want “fervent”, unless it’s a fervently co-operative and bipartisan approach to issues that matter.
They certainly don’t want fervent climate denialism and fervent social conservatism.
I think you’ll find that a lot of the Lib backlash was specifically centred at ScoMo.. it’s going to take a while but many of the seats that voted in the Indies have only ever been blue.. voting for an independent was a big pill for a lot of voters to swallow and I’d suspect many will be itching to flip back.
UNless it they represent their electorate like a Wilkie.
Or a Tony Windsor. Or a Zali Steggall.
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
diddly-squat said:I think you’ll find that a lot of the Lib backlash was specifically centred at ScoMo.. it’s going to take a while but many of the seats that voted in the Indies have only ever been blue.. voting for an independent was a big pill for a lot of voters to swallow and I’d suspect many will be itching to flip back.
UNless it they represent their electorate like a Wilkie.
Wilkie is in some ways a template for these new urban independents.
He’s shown that if you consistently reflect the views of the progressive urban middle class, they’ll remain very loyal for a long time.
Granted that Hobart is a bit lefty…but he has played unity instead of division and has support across a community that can be very us and them.
Just been an update for Dickson; now 74% counted.
Pete the Ghoul now up to 52%.
Looks like the “early voters vote Lab” theory is in trouble here.
sarahs mum said:
diddly-squat said:
Bubblecar said:Those who abandoned them for independents don’t want “fervent”, unless it’s a fervently co-operative and bipartisan approach to issues that matter.
They certainly don’t want fervent climate denialism and fervent social conservatism.
I think you’ll find that a lot of the Lib backlash was specifically centred at ScoMo.. it’s going to take a while but many of the seats that voted in the Indies have only ever been blue.. voting for an independent was a big pill for a lot of voters to swallow and I’d suspect many will be itching to flip back.
Unless it they represent their electorate like a
WilkieKatter.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Just been an update for Dickson; now 74% counted.Pete the Ghoul now up to 52%.
Looks like the “early voters vote Lab” theory is in trouble here.
so do we reckon the telephone votes will fkm up as well
The Rev Dodgson said:
Just been an update for Dickson; now 74% counted.Pete the Ghoul now up to 52%.
Looks like the “early voters vote Lab” theory is in trouble here.
They might have voted early, but it’s obvious they didn’t vote often enough.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
I was thinking this might be the worst result for the Coalition ever, but by my calcs they did have one worse result: the very first year of the Liberal/Country party coalition back in 1946. They got 26 seats out of 74, 35% of the House. This time ‘round it seems likely they’ll get 59 out of 151, which is 39%.
It’s not all bad news, they got 48% of the 2pp but having said that it’s still going to take the Borg two terms to stuff things up.
Well that’s good. It took to Coalition all of two years.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
I was thinking this might be the worst result for the Coalition ever, but by my calcs they did have one worse result: the very first year of the Liberal/Country party coalition back in 1946. They got 26 seats out of 74, 35% of the House. This time ‘round it seems likely they’ll get 59 out of 151, which is 39%.
It’s not all bad news, they got 48% of the 2pp but having said that it’s still going to take the Borg two terms to stuff things up.
Well that’s good. It took to Coalition all of two years.
One important point is that the ALP on the key issues is to the Right of the public.
According to the Lowy polls in 2021, two thirds of Australians want a carbon tax or emissions trading scheme. Other polls in recent years have yielded similar numbers.
Neither the ALP nor the Coalition offered this.
On climate action the graph looks something like this:
…..Greens…Teals…MedianAustralian………………ALP…….Coalition
There’s no real prospect of ALP overreaching on that one because they have moved the right of what was the consensus position 15 years ago.
Similarly the Teals appear more eager for a fully empowered corruption watchdog and will be dragging the ALP to a place more in line with community expectations.
dv said:
eager for a fully empowered corruption watchdog
like everyone wanted to know we’re salivating right now
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Just been an update for Dickson; now 74% counted.Pete the Ghoul now up to 52%.
Looks like the “early voters vote Lab” theory is in trouble here.
so do we reckon the telephone votes will fkm up as well
I don’t think there will be enough to make a difference.
dv said:
One important point is that the ALP on the key issues is to the Right of the public.According to the Lowy polls in 2021, two thirds of Australians want a carbon tax or emissions trading scheme. Other polls in recent years have yielded similar numbers.
Neither the ALP nor the Coalition offered this.
On climate action the graph looks something like this:
…..Greens…Teals…MedianAustralian………………ALP…….Coalition
There’s no real prospect of ALP overreaching on that one because they have moved the right of what was the consensus position 15 years ago.
Similarly the Teals appear more eager for a fully empowered corruption watchdog and will be dragging the ALP to a place more in line with community expectations.
Will this become a problem for Labor? They have picked emission reduction numbers only slightly less ineffectual than the coalition in order to scrape through an election when a large proportion of the population want some really effective targets.. i e to stay below 1.5 C increase.
dv said:
One important point is that the ALP on the key issues is to the Right of the public.According to the Lowy polls in 2021, two thirds of Australians want a carbon tax or emissions trading scheme. Other polls in recent years have yielded similar numbers.
Neither the ALP nor the Coalition offered this.
On climate action the graph looks something like this:
…..Greens…Teals…MedianAustralian………………ALP…….Coalition
There’s no real prospect of ALP overreaching on that one because they have moved the right of what was the consensus position 15 years ago.
Similarly the Teals appear more eager for a fully empowered corruption watchdog and will be dragging the ALP to a place more in line with community expectations.
Labor have advocated a more conservative approach on carbon abatement for political reasons. Nothing can be achieved from opposition so it’s simply pragmatic and I expect Albo will take stricter 2030 targets to the next election.
Ian said:
dv said:
One important point is that the ALP on the key issues is to the Right of the public.According to the Lowy polls in 2021, two thirds of Australians want a carbon tax or emissions trading scheme. Other polls in recent years have yielded similar numbers.
Neither the ALP nor the Coalition offered this.
On climate action the graph looks something like this:
…..Greens…Teals…MedianAustralian………………ALP…….Coalition
There’s no real prospect of ALP overreaching on that one because they have moved the right of what was the consensus position 15 years ago.
Similarly the Teals appear more eager for a fully empowered corruption watchdog and will be dragging the ALP to a place more in line with community expectations.
Will this become a problem for Labor? They have picked emission reduction numbers only slightly less ineffectual than the coalition in order to scrape through an election when a large proportion of the population want some really effective targets.. i e to stay below 1.5 C increase.
“emission reduction numbers only slightly less ineffectual than the coalition”
I don’t think that’s accurate.
I think the refusal to even discuss anything that might be called a “tax” is a real problem, but that doesn’t mean the rest of their policy is “only slightly less ineffectual than the coalition”.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Ian said:
dv said:
One important point is that the ALP on the key issues is to the Right of the public.According to the Lowy polls in 2021, two thirds of Australians want a carbon tax or emissions trading scheme. Other polls in recent years have yielded similar numbers.
Neither the ALP nor the Coalition offered this.
On climate action the graph looks something like this:
…..Greens…Teals…MedianAustralian………………ALP…….Coalition
There’s no real prospect of ALP overreaching on that one because they have moved the right of what was the consensus position 15 years ago.
Similarly the Teals appear more eager for a fully empowered corruption watchdog and will be dragging the ALP to a place more in line with community expectations.
Will this become a problem for Labor? They have picked emission reduction numbers only slightly less ineffectual than the coalition in order to scrape through an election when a large proportion of the population want some really effective targets.. i e to stay below 1.5 C increase.
“emission reduction numbers only slightly less ineffectual than the coalition”
I don’t think that’s accurate.
I think the refusal to even discuss anything that might be called a “tax” is a real problem, but that doesn’t mean the rest of their policy is “only slightly less ineffectual than the coalition”.
tax reform is even less appealing to talk about in political forms than emissions controls.. this country is crying out for true structural tax reform.
Has Fox News recovered consciousness yet?
The Rev Dodgson said:
Ian said:
dv said:
One important point is that the ALP on the key issues is to the Right of the public.According to the Lowy polls in 2021, two thirds of Australians want a carbon tax or emissions trading scheme. Other polls in recent years have yielded similar numbers.
Neither the ALP nor the Coalition offered this.
On climate action the graph looks something like this:
…..Greens…Teals…MedianAustralian………………ALP…….Coalition
There’s no real prospect of ALP overreaching on that one because they have moved the right of what was the consensus position 15 years ago.
Similarly the Teals appear more eager for a fully empowered corruption watchdog and will be dragging the ALP to a place more in line with community expectations.
Will this become a problem for Labor? They have picked emission reduction numbers only slightly less ineffectual than the coalition in order to scrape through an election when a large proportion of the population want some really effective targets.. i e to stay below 1.5 C increase.
“emission reduction numbers only slightly less ineffectual than the coalition”
I don’t think that’s accurate.
I think the refusal to even discuss anything that might be called a “tax” is a real problem, but that doesn’t mean the rest of their policy is “only slightly less ineffectual than the coalition”.
Ok. That was a bit of hyperbole.
How effectual is their target?
captain_spalding said:
Has Fox News recovered consciousness yet?
Did they ever attain consciousness?
captain_spalding said:
Has Fox News recovered consciousness yet?
I hope Murdoch gets some punishment. Rudd got 600k signatures on his inquiry into Murdoch petition. So much has been handed to Murdoch on a plate. So much wrong. Like the private News limited section of Parliament house. that was wrong and should be shut down.
Labor did promise to re-fund the ABC so that is something.
Speaking of the wealthy rightwing powers that still control all the powerful institutions:
https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/politics/dai-le-facing-eligibility-questions/video/cfbe1ea0943425baa9f93f81e6fb6125
If seen a few articles like this where it is claimed that Dai Le is facing eligibility queries but in none of them can I find any hint of the identity of the parties raising the queries. Is it just the press instigating?
FTR there doesn’t seem to be any serious issue. Dai Le came to Australia as a stateless refugee when the country she was born in stopped existing. She doesn’t have an existing citizenship to South Vietnam because it ain’t there no more.
Ian said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Ian said:Will this become a problem for Labor? They have picked emission reduction numbers only slightly less ineffectual than the coalition in order to scrape through an election when a large proportion of the population want some really effective targets.. i e to stay below 1.5 C increase.
“emission reduction numbers only slightly less ineffectual than the coalition”
I don’t think that’s accurate.
I think the refusal to even discuss anything that might be called a “tax” is a real problem, but that doesn’t mean the rest of their policy is “only slightly less ineffectual than the coalition”.
Ok. That was a bit of hyperbole.
How effectual is their target?
If it should actually be met it would be very effective.
I’m more concernec about how they are planning to get there, rather than the target.
dv said:
Speaking of the wealthy rightwing powers that still control all the powerful institutions:
https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/politics/dai-le-facing-eligibility-questions/video/cfbe1ea0943425baa9f93f81e6fb6125
If seen a few articles like this where it is claimed that Dai Le is facing eligibility queries but in none of them can I find any hint of the identity of the parties raising the queries. Is it just the press instigating?
FTR there doesn’t seem to be any serious issue. Dai Le came to Australia as a stateless refugee when the country she was born in stopped existing. She doesn’t have an existing citizenship to South Vietnam because it ain’t there no more.
is it easier for those bastards to accuse ethnics then
The Rev Dodgson said:
Ian said:
The Rev Dodgson said:“emission reduction numbers only slightly less ineffectual than the coalition”
I don’t think that’s accurate.
I think the refusal to even discuss anything that might be called a “tax” is a real problem, but that doesn’t mean the rest of their policy is “only slightly less ineffectual than the coalition”.
Ok. That was a bit of hyperbole.
How effectual is their target?
If it should actually be met it would be very effective.
I’m more concernec about how they are planning to get there, rather than the target.
Well, I don’t agree with you.
Seriously though maybe a split is the only way forward for the Libs.
Outgoing Lib member for Wentworth, Dave Sharma, speaks on the way forward:
——
This is a Liberal bloodbath, all losses to our left. Shifting right would bring us an eternity in opposition
To lose one Liberal heartland seat could be attributed to misfortune. To lose several, and across multiple states, is a disaster.
Affluent, well-educated, and progressive, they have been strongholds of the Liberal Party for decades, and not traditional battleground seats. They have produced its senior leadership, underwritten its fundraising, and provided much of its membership.
It’s a bloodbath of sizeable proportion. And if we ever wish to return to the government benches, it is incumbent upon us to learn the lessons of this defeat.
First, the Liberals must recreate the broad church envisaged by Menzies that will allow us to win the seats necessary to win government. There are already predictable voices claiming that the party needs to conduct an ideological purification, purge its moderate elements and embrace more muscular conservatism.
This is a profound misdiagnosis, and would be a recipe for an eternity in opposition. The British Conservatives tried this after Tony Blair won in a landslide in 1997. The Tories shifted to the right, with policies centred around law-and-order, immigration and “tough on crime” rhetoric. They lost successive elections to Blair.
It was only when David Cameron became leader and consciously went about shedding the Conservatives’ “nasty” image that they became once more electable.
If the Liberal Party tacks right and abandons the teal seats for a generation, it will not be able to form government. Australia is too politically centrist and too urbanised for a more conservative offering to be able to win the number of seats necessary to form government, especially with compulsory and preferential voting.
This is not the United States. That is the electoral truth.
We did not lose any seats to our right. We lost them entirely to our left. And if we are to regain government, we will need to regain the political centre.
This does not require an abandonment of our ideological core. Small government, less regulation, support for business and free enterprise, a commitment to individual rights and freedoms, and robust defence and national security remain our most valuable offerings.
But on the topical issues of the day — climate change, equality and a federal integrity commission — we came up short. We had credible policies and proposals to address each of these issues. But there was in the electorate a profound lack of belief in the sincerity of our commitment to genuinely addressing them.
This is hardly surprising. You cannot spend hundreds of hours denigrating the need for a policy response in these areas and then be surprised if the voters conclude your attempts to deal with them are half-hearted.
I doubt the next election will be fought on these issues, but they are a study in the need for parties to ensure their values keep in step with the electorate.
Kevin Rudd won government for Labor in 2007 by promising to ratify the Kyoto protocol and offering an apology for the stolen generations, while assuring that in other key respects – economic management and national security – he would be a study in continuity with the Howard government.
Albanese followed the same prescription, adopting a small target and promising to match us on the economy and national security, whilst pledging to do more to deal with issues that had become irritants for the public. The independents adopted a similar strategy, presenting themselves as non-threatening alternatives to Liberals.
Second, and essential for a government seeking a fourth term, we failed to make the case for why people should positively vote for us. The campaign was largely about the risks of an Albanese government, not the attraction of another Coalition term.
The superannuation/housing policy was the lone exception, but it came late in the campaign and was an orphan. We offered little on tax reform, deregulation, industrial relations, federalism, indigenous issues or industry policy.
We could have promised to pursue civilian nuclear power. We could have promised to close the workforce participation gap between men and women. We could have proposed working with the states to eliminate stamp duty and payroll tax. This would have entailed risks, but at least would have sharpened the policy contest, and meant we were fighting the election on our terrain, not that dictated by our opponents.
Finally, it may well be that the two-party system is irretrievably fractured in Australia. Consumer tastes have demanded more differentiated products for some time. People are no longer restricted in their choices to Holden and Ford when buying a car, or Telstra and Optus when taking out a phone plan, or to Visa and Mastercard for credit.
The age of a few dominant brands is well and truly over, with niche offerings created to appeal to niche markets.
This disruption has seemingly now reached Australian politics. It may be a forlorn quest to recreate an umbrella political brand that is sufficiently broad in its appeal while remaining ideologically coherent. It may be that we need new parties, ideologically sympathetic but with distinct personalities and offerings, to assemble new governing coalitions.
I support the two-party system, but it appears — given the low primary vote for both major parties — that the electorate will not stomach the rigidities and compromises that come with it.
Our political future may well be German-style “traffic light” coalitions of multiple parties to form government.
If that is the way the winds are blowing, then we should position ourselves for it. The last war is always a poor guide to the next. But we must heed its lessons.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/this-is-a-liberal-bloodbath-all-losses-to-our-left-shifting-right-would-bring-us-an-eternity-in-opposition-20220525-p5ao9r.html
dv said:
Seriously though maybe a split is the only way forward for the Libs.Outgoing Lib member for Wentworth, Dave Sharma, speaks on the way forward:
——
This is a Liberal bloodbath, all losses to our left. Shifting right would bring us an eternity in opposition
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/this-is-a-liberal-bloodbath-all-losses-to-our-left-shifting-right-would-bring-us-an-eternity-in-opposition-20220525-p5ao9r.html
While the analysis is more-or-less the same as my mine, he doesn’t acknowledge any blame for losing his own seat.
In parliament, he and the other so-called lib moderates voted with the hard right on all the important issues.
Voters realised that their “moderate, progressive” image was a public pose, pretty much empty rhetoric.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Seriously though maybe a split is the only way forward for the Libs.Outgoing Lib member for Wentworth, Dave Sharma, speaks on the way forward:
——
This is a Liberal bloodbath, all losses to our left. Shifting right would bring us an eternity in opposition
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/this-is-a-liberal-bloodbath-all-losses-to-our-left-shifting-right-would-bring-us-an-eternity-in-opposition-20220525-p5ao9r.html
While the analysis is more-or-less the same as my mine, he doesn’t acknowledge any blame for losing his own seat.
In parliament, he and the other so-called lib moderates voted with the hard right on all the important issues.
Voters realised that their “moderate, progressive” image was a public pose, pretty much empty rhetoric.
my mine = mine
I don’t actually own a mine.
dv said:
Seriously though maybe a split is the only way forward for the Libs.Outgoing Lib member for Wentworth, Dave Sharma, speaks on the way forward:
——
This is a Liberal bloodbath, all losses to our left. Shifting right would bring us an eternity in opposition
To lose one Liberal heartland seat could be attributed to misfortune. To lose several, and across multiple states, is a disaster.
Affluent, well-educated, and progressive, they have been strongholds of the Liberal Party for decades, and not traditional battleground seats. They have produced its senior leadership, underwritten its fundraising, and provided much of its membership.
It’s a bloodbath of sizeable proportion. And if we ever wish to return to the government benches, it is incumbent upon us to learn the lessons of this defeat.
First, the Liberals must recreate the broad church envisaged by Menzies that will allow us to win the seats necessary to win government. There are already predictable voices claiming that the party needs to conduct an ideological purification, purge its moderate elements and embrace more muscular conservatism.
This is a profound misdiagnosis, and would be a recipe for an eternity in opposition. The British Conservatives tried this after Tony Blair won in a landslide in 1997. The Tories shifted to the right, with policies centred around law-and-order, immigration and “tough on crime” rhetoric. They lost successive elections to Blair.
It was only when David Cameron became leader and consciously went about shedding the Conservatives’ “nasty” image that they became once more electable.
If the Liberal Party tacks right and abandons the teal seats for a generation, it will not be able to form government. Australia is too politically centrist and too urbanised for a more conservative offering to be able to win the number of seats necessary to form government, especially with compulsory and preferential voting.
This is not the United States. That is the electoral truth.
We did not lose any seats to our right. We lost them entirely to our left. And if we are to regain government, we will need to regain the political centre.
This does not require an abandonment of our ideological core. Small government, less regulation, support for business and free enterprise, a commitment to individual rights and freedoms, and robust defence and national security remain our most valuable offerings.
But on the topical issues of the day — climate change, equality and a federal integrity commission — we came up short. We had credible policies and proposals to address each of these issues. But there was in the electorate a profound lack of belief in the sincerity of our commitment to genuinely addressing them.
This is hardly surprising. You cannot spend hundreds of hours denigrating the need for a policy response in these areas and then be surprised if the voters conclude your attempts to deal with them are half-hearted.
I doubt the next election will be fought on these issues, but they are a study in the need for parties to ensure their values keep in step with the electorate.
Kevin Rudd won government for Labor in 2007 by promising to ratify the Kyoto protocol and offering an apology for the stolen generations, while assuring that in other key respects – economic management and national security – he would be a study in continuity with the Howard government.
Albanese followed the same prescription, adopting a small target and promising to match us on the economy and national security, whilst pledging to do more to deal with issues that had become irritants for the public. The independents adopted a similar strategy, presenting themselves as non-threatening alternatives to Liberals.
Second, and essential for a government seeking a fourth term, we failed to make the case for why people should positively vote for us. The campaign was largely about the risks of an Albanese government, not the attraction of another Coalition term.
The superannuation/housing policy was the lone exception, but it came late in the campaign and was an orphan. We offered little on tax reform, deregulation, industrial relations, federalism, indigenous issues or industry policy.
We could have promised to pursue civilian nuclear power. We could have promised to close the workforce participation gap between men and women. We could have proposed working with the states to eliminate stamp duty and payroll tax. This would have entailed risks, but at least would have sharpened the policy contest, and meant we were fighting the election on our terrain, not that dictated by our opponents.
Finally, it may well be that the two-party system is irretrievably fractured in Australia. Consumer tastes have demanded more differentiated products for some time. People are no longer restricted in their choices to Holden and Ford when buying a car, or Telstra and Optus when taking out a phone plan, or to Visa and Mastercard for credit.
The age of a few dominant brands is well and truly over, with niche offerings created to appeal to niche markets.
This disruption has seemingly now reached Australian politics. It may be a forlorn quest to recreate an umbrella political brand that is sufficiently broad in its appeal while remaining ideologically coherent. It may be that we need new parties, ideologically sympathetic but with distinct personalities and offerings, to assemble new governing coalitions.I support the two-party system, but it appears — given the low primary vote for both major parties — that the electorate will not stomach the rigidities and compromises that come with it.
Our political future may well be German-style “traffic light” coalitions of multiple parties to form government.
If that is the way the winds are blowing, then we should position ourselves for it. The last war is always a poor guide to the next. But we must heed its lessons.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/this-is-a-liberal-bloodbath-all-losses-to-our-left-shifting-right-would-bring-us-an-eternity-in-opposition-20220525-p5ao9r.html
In short, get rid of the nutters, rather than appease them.
Bubblecar said:
While the analysis is more-or-less the same as my mine, he doesn’t acknowledge any blame for losing his own seat.
It’s what i said last night: none of the L/NP see themselves/their party as having done (or not done) anything which could make then deserving of losing the election.
They all seem to think that it was some terrible collective aberration in the population, a massive contagious mistake on the part of the voters, who were somehow blinded to the correctness of voting L/NP, and that we have let them down badly.
They don’t feel at all that they failed as a government. They feel that the voters have failed as an electorate.
We have made a serious error, and we’ll be made to pay for that when their chance comes around.
Ian said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Ian said:Ok. That was a bit of hyperbole.
How effectual is their target?
If it should actually be met it would be very effective.
I’m more concernec about how they are planning to get there, rather than the target.
Well, I don’t agree with you.
You want a higher target that won’t be met by a bigger margin then.
captain_spalding said:
Bubblecar said:While the analysis is more-or-less the same as my mine, he doesn’t acknowledge any blame for losing his own seat.
It’s what i said last night: none of the L/NP see themselves/their party as having done (or not done) anything which could make then deserving of losing the election.
They all seem to think that it was some terrible collective aberration in the population, a massive contagious mistake on the part of the voters, who were somehow blinded to the correctness of voting L/NP, and that we have let them down badly.
They don’t feel at all that they failed as a government. They feel that the voters have failed as an electorate.
We have made a serious error, and we’ll be made to pay for that when their chance comes around.
The hardcore conservative dumbfucks are arguing that they retained their seats because they presented themselves as hardcore conservative dumbfucks to similar-minded voters, which is true enough.
But there aren’t enough seats dominated by such voters, so following their advice is a recipe for terminal decline.
But it’s important to remember that a lot of this is indeed about “presentation”.
The hardcore conservatives backed policies intended to preserve and reinforce the 1%, while making primitive conservative noises.
The “moderates” backed policies intended to preserve and reinforce the 1%, while making wokey noises.
Dr Kev is convinced that One Nation is home and hosed in the senate for Qld.
https://kevinbonham.blogspot.com/2022/05/2022-senate-postcounts-main-thread.html
Bubblecar said:
he doesn’t acknowledge any blame
does seem to be a pattern
dv said:
Seriously though maybe a split is the only way forward for the Libs.Outgoing Lib member for Wentworth, Dave Sharma, speaks on the way forward:
——
This is a Liberal bloodbath, all losses to our left. Shifting right would bring us an eternity in opposition
To lose one Liberal heartland seat could be attributed to misfortune. To lose several, and across multiple states, is a disaster.
Affluent, well-educated, and progressive, they have been strongholds of the Liberal Party for decades, and not traditional battleground seats. They have produced its senior leadership, underwritten its fundraising, and provided much of its membership.
It’s a bloodbath of sizeable proportion. And if we ever wish to return to the government benches, it is incumbent upon us to learn the lessons of this defeat.
First, the Liberals must recreate the broad church envisaged by Menzies that will allow us to win the seats necessary to win government. There are already predictable voices claiming that the party needs to conduct an ideological purification, purge its moderate elements and embrace more muscular conservatism.
This is a profound misdiagnosis, and would be a recipe for an eternity in opposition. The British Conservatives tried this after Tony Blair won in a landslide in 1997. The Tories shifted to the right, with policies centred around law-and-order, immigration and “tough on crime” rhetoric. They lost successive elections to Blair.
It was only when David Cameron became leader and consciously went about shedding the Conservatives’ “nasty” image that they became once more electable.
If the Liberal Party tacks right and abandons the teal seats for a generation, it will not be able to form government. Australia is too politically centrist and too urbanised for a more conservative offering to be able to win the number of seats necessary to form government, especially with compulsory and preferential voting.
This is not the United States. That is the electoral truth.
We did not lose any seats to our right. We lost them entirely to our left. And if we are to regain government, we will need to regain the political centre.
This does not require an abandonment of our ideological core. Small government, less regulation, support for business and free enterprise, a commitment to individual rights and freedoms, and robust defence and national security remain our most valuable offerings.
But on the topical issues of the day — climate change, equality and a federal integrity commission — we came up short. We had credible policies and proposals to address each of these issues. But there was in the electorate a profound lack of belief in the sincerity of our commitment to genuinely addressing them.
This is hardly surprising. You cannot spend hundreds of hours denigrating the need for a policy response in these areas and then be surprised if the voters conclude your attempts to deal with them are half-hearted.
I doubt the next election will be fought on these issues, but they are a study in the need for parties to ensure their values keep in step with the electorate.
Kevin Rudd won government for Labor in 2007 by promising to ratify the Kyoto protocol and offering an apology for the stolen generations, while assuring that in other key respects – economic management and national security – he would be a study in continuity with the Howard government.
Albanese followed the same prescription, adopting a small target and promising to match us on the economy and national security, whilst pledging to do more to deal with issues that had become irritants for the public. The independents adopted a similar strategy, presenting themselves as non-threatening alternatives to Liberals.
Second, and essential for a government seeking a fourth term, we failed to make the case for why people should positively vote for us. The campaign was largely about the risks of an Albanese government, not the attraction of another Coalition term.
The superannuation/housing policy was the lone exception, but it came late in the campaign and was an orphan. We offered little on tax reform, deregulation, industrial relations, federalism, indigenous issues or industry policy.
We could have promised to pursue civilian nuclear power. We could have promised to close the workforce participation gap between men and women. We could have proposed working with the states to eliminate stamp duty and payroll tax. This would have entailed risks, but at least would have sharpened the policy contest, and meant we were fighting the election on our terrain, not that dictated by our opponents.
Finally, it may well be that the two-party system is irretrievably fractured in Australia. Consumer tastes have demanded more differentiated products for some time. People are no longer restricted in their choices to Holden and Ford when buying a car, or Telstra and Optus when taking out a phone plan, or to Visa and Mastercard for credit.
The age of a few dominant brands is well and truly over, with niche offerings created to appeal to niche markets.
This disruption has seemingly now reached Australian politics. It may be a forlorn quest to recreate an umbrella political brand that is sufficiently broad in its appeal while remaining ideologically coherent. It may be that we need new parties, ideologically sympathetic but with distinct personalities and offerings, to assemble new governing coalitions.I support the two-party system, but it appears — given the low primary vote for both major parties — that the electorate will not stomach the rigidities and compromises that come with it.
Our political future may well be German-style “traffic light” coalitions of multiple parties to form government.
If that is the way the winds are blowing, then we should position ourselves for it. The last war is always a poor guide to the next. But we must heed its lessons.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/this-is-a-liberal-bloodbath-all-losses-to-our-left-shifting-right-would-bring-us-an-eternity-in-opposition-20220525-p5ao9r.html
Reasonable.
Bubblecar said:
But it’s important to remember that a lot of this is indeed about “presentation”.
The “moderates” backed policies intended to preserve and reinforce the 1%, while making wokey noises.
part of présentation is looking genuine or no
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Seriously though maybe a split is the only way forward for the Libs.Outgoing Lib member for Wentworth, Dave Sharma, speaks on the way forward:
——
This is a Liberal bloodbath, all losses to our left. Shifting right would bring us an eternity in opposition
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/this-is-a-liberal-bloodbath-all-losses-to-our-left-shifting-right-would-bring-us-an-eternity-in-opposition-20220525-p5ao9r.html
While the analysis is more-or-less the same as my mine, he doesn’t acknowledge any blame for losing his own seat.
In parliament, he and the other so-called lib moderates voted with the hard right on all the important issues.
Voters realised that their “moderate, progressive” image was a public pose, pretty much empty rhetoric.
Fair comment.
dv said:
Dr Kev is convinced that One Nation is home and hosed in the senate for Qld.https://kevinbonham.blogspot.com/2022/05/2022-senate-postcounts-main-thread.html
So Pauline lives to spew shit for another six year then.
dv said:
Dr Kev is convinced that One Nation is home and hosed in the senate for Qld.https://kevinbonham.blogspot.com/2022/05/2022-senate-postcounts-main-thread.html
fuck.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Dr Kev is convinced that One Nation is home and hosed in the senate for Qld.https://kevinbonham.blogspot.com/2022/05/2022-senate-postcounts-main-thread.html
fuck.
What’s the opposite of every cloud has a silver lining? I suppose we can just be happy that she’ll be utterly irrelevant to the political process this time and no one will be trying to make deals with her, or with Malcolm the Random. A bit shocking to think that she is the brains of the operation.
I know I’ve said this before but the AEC website is good for providing raw data and not good at all for predicting seat winners. Case in hand: they’ve already given Brisbane to the LNP, because that’s what their basic equation tells them, whereas the human psephologists can all see that if ALP come third, most of its prefs will go to Greens over Libs and the Greens will win, and if the Greens come third, most of their prefs will go the ALP. There is a zero point shit percent chance that the LNP will win Brisbane from here.
sibeen said:
dv said:
Dr Kev is convinced that One Nation is home and hosed in the senate for Qld.https://kevinbonham.blogspot.com/2022/05/2022-senate-postcounts-main-thread.html
So Pauline lives to spew shit for another six year then.
Buggrit.
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Dr Kev is convinced that One Nation is home and hosed in the senate for Qld.https://kevinbonham.blogspot.com/2022/05/2022-senate-postcounts-main-thread.html
fuck.
What’s the opposite of every cloud has a silver lining? I suppose we can just be happy that she’ll be utterly irrelevant to the political process this time and no one will be trying to make deals with her, or with Malcolm the Random. A bit shocking to think that she is the brains of the operation.
gathering honey has a sting in the tail
This be my electorate.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-25/alex-dyson-liberal-dan-tehan-wannon/101098796
buffy said:
This be my electorate.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-25/alex-dyson-liberal-dan-tehan-wannon/101098796
I wondered why the counting seemed to stutter.
Labor won
Take that Scotty.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Labor wonTake that Scotty.
I think that news has probably sunk in by now.
“But on the topical issues of the day — climate change, equality and a federal integrity commission — we came up short. We had credible policies and proposals to address each of these issues”.
I forgot to say…
No you didn’t. Sharma and the other soi-disant moderates need to get their heads around that.
Even Turnbull’s National Energy Guarantee was a bit on the weak side but that was way too spicy for your party’s blood.
buffy said:
buffy said:
This be my electorate.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-25/alex-dyson-liberal-dan-tehan-wannon/101098796
I wondered why the counting seemed to stutter.
In case we forget how Dan Tehan is pronounced
Lib’s Gilmore lead doesn’t seem to be tearing away, currently on 112 votes.
Australia has spoken. Bye Scott.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2lzJEINNNU
dv said:
Lib’s Gilmore lead doesn’t seem to be tearing away, currently on 112 votes.
Labor’s Brian Mitchell now leading by 753 votes in Lyons.
His lead is reducing but slowly and modestly, by the the seem of it.
Same Same but Dutton
By Rachel Withers
The electorate won’t forget who Peter Dutton is, no matter how much the Liberal Party tries to rebrand him
It seems the deed is done. Arch-conservative Peter Dutton, perhaps the most divisive figure in the Liberal Party, is set to be its next leader, with no one planning to stand against him, while Sussan Ley is likely to be his deputy. It’s not clear if Dutton is merely a placeholder, a leader not expected to make it the next election. Perhaps he’s there to be a wrecker, a Tony Abbott–style Opposition leader who will undermine the Labor government, despite a clear call from the electorate for an end to the divisions that have riven federal politics. In any case, it’s hard to imagine he could win back government, in 2025 or ever, with the party already bleeding votes over its rightward lurch and toxic leadership. The remaining moderates, having marginalised themselves almost out of existence (if only Josh Frydenberg had listened to calls to challenge for the leadership), have no power to stop this, and they are already doing their best to rehabilitate Dutton’s image, promising that he’s not as bad as he seems. But does the party really expect Australians to forget everything this warmongering, dog-whistling hardliner has done?
It almost seems unnecessary to list it all, but Peter Dutton is the sort of politician who has done so many fucked-up things that it’s hard to remember them all (though perhaps that’s the point). He’s the man who walked out on Kevin Rudd’s apology to the Stolen Generations, one of the only MPs to do so. He was the minister caught on a hot mic joking about Pacific nations facing rising seas due to climate change, and who tore down Malcolm Turnbull for daring to do anything about it. He’s the guy – as Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews reminded us yesterday – who falsely claimed that Victorians were scared to go out due to “African gang violence”, and who incorrectly blamed teenager Laa Chol’s death on such gangs in a bid to score a point. He suggested that white South African visas should be “fast-tracked”, and described deporting a NZ minor as “taking the trash out”. He was slammed for accusing his Labor opponent of using her disability as an “excuse”, and had to apologise to journalist Samantha Maiden for labelling her “a mad fucking witch”, in a text message that he accidentally sent to Maiden herself.
He was the home affairs minister who started that cruel war against the Biloela family (they are now finally going home), who compared their children Tharunicaa and Kopika to “anchor babies”, and suggested that sick refugees could steal our hospital beds. He’s the guy who famously said that women in detention were “trying it on” in claiming they had been raped as a ploy to get to Australia for an abortion, and who sued an activist for defamation over the suggestion that this comment made him a “rape apologist” – and lost.
In recent months, he’s stoked war with China and suggested that Labor was Beijing’s “pick” for the election, thereby alienating Chinese voters and politicising national security, in what even The Australian saw as ludicrous posturing considering the state of Australia’s defences. (Not that he’s ever been particularly competent as a minster.) He’s the sort of man about whom sympathetic publications run profiles declaring he is “not a monster” – a real quote from his wife. He is so unpopular in places like Kooyong that Frydenberg’s increasingly desperate campaign reportedly discussed printing flyers with the message “Vote Ryan, Get Dutton”, knowing that Dutton was as toxic as Scott Morrison in the inner-city seat.
It barely seems necessary – and yet. Elements of the Liberal Party seem to think this can all be waved away, that they can introduce a “new Dutton” just as Scott Morrison offered to become a changed man. Many Liberals obviously hope that Dutton won’t last, but in the meantime they’re having to pretend he’s not the worst choice they could possibly make, given that Dutton has the numbers in the now even more conservative party. But do the remaining moderates really want to go on standing by toxic leadership, tacitly endorsing a rightward drift that has almost cleaned them out? Now would clearly be the time for them to finally take the stand they didn’t take while in government – they have nothing to lose, and plenty to repair in the teal seats they hope to win back one day. How will the moderate wing of the party ever rebuild itself if it allows Peter Dutton to take the leadership without so much as a fight?
At this stage it seems there is little the moderates can do to stop Dutton becoming Opposition leader. (This is something that many progressives are not so quietly celebrating, believing the party will only be delivering more teal independents in future; the same goes for keeping Barnaby Joyce, tweeted former independent MP Tony Windsor.) But in trying to convince the public that there could be a new Dutton, or that Dutton isn’t so bad, the remaining moderates are choosing to dig their own graves. One imagines that Josh Frydenberg now regrets not challenging his deeply unpopular leader in September, even if he wasn’t sure he had the numbers. And one can only imagine how much the remaining moderates will come to regret letting an even more unlikeable leader waltz right in.
https://www.themonthly.com.au/the-politics/rachel-withers/2022/05/25/same-same-dutton
dv said:
Same Same but DuttonBy Rachel Withers
The electorate won’t forget who Peter Dutton is, no matter how much the Liberal Party tries to rebrand him
It seems the deed is done. Arch-conservative Peter Dutton, perhaps the most divisive figure in the Liberal Party, is set to be its next leader, with no one planning to stand against him, while Sussan Ley is likely to be his deputy. It’s not clear if Dutton is merely a placeholder, a leader not expected to make it the next election. Perhaps he’s there to be a wrecker, a Tony Abbott–style Opposition leader who will undermine the Labor government, despite a clear call from the electorate for an end to the divisions that have riven federal politics. In any case, it’s hard to imagine he could win back government, in 2025 or ever, with the party already bleeding votes over its rightward lurch and toxic leadership. The remaining moderates, having marginalised themselves almost out of existence (if only Josh Frydenberg had listened to calls to challenge for the leadership), have no power to stop this, and they are already doing their best to rehabilitate Dutton’s image, promising that he’s not as bad as he seems. But does the party really expect Australians to forget everything this warmongering, dog-whistling hardliner has done?
It almost seems unnecessary to list it all, but Peter Dutton is the sort of politician who has done so many fucked-up things that it’s hard to remember them all (though perhaps that’s the point). He’s the man who walked out on Kevin Rudd’s apology to the Stolen Generations, one of the only MPs to do so. He was the minister caught on a hot mic joking about Pacific nations facing rising seas due to climate change, and who tore down Malcolm Turnbull for daring to do anything about it. He’s the guy – as Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews reminded us yesterday – who falsely claimed that Victorians were scared to go out due to “African gang violence”, and who incorrectly blamed teenager Laa Chol’s death on such gangs in a bid to score a point. He suggested that white South African visas should be “fast-tracked”, and described deporting a NZ minor as “taking the trash out”. He was slammed for accusing his Labor opponent of using her disability as an “excuse”, and had to apologise to journalist Samantha Maiden for labelling her “a mad fucking witch”, in a text message that he accidentally sent to Maiden herself.
He was the home affairs minister who started that cruel war against the Biloela family (they are now finally going home), who compared their children Tharunicaa and Kopika to “anchor babies”, and suggested that sick refugees could steal our hospital beds. He’s the guy who famously said that women in detention were “trying it on” in claiming they had been raped as a ploy to get to Australia for an abortion, and who sued an activist for defamation over the suggestion that this comment made him a “rape apologist” – and lost.
In recent months, he’s stoked war with China and suggested that Labor was Beijing’s “pick” for the election, thereby alienating Chinese voters and politicising national security, in what even The Australian saw as ludicrous posturing considering the state of Australia’s defences. (Not that he’s ever been particularly competent as a minster.) He’s the sort of man about whom sympathetic publications run profiles declaring he is “not a monster” – a real quote from his wife. He is so unpopular in places like Kooyong that Frydenberg’s increasingly desperate campaign reportedly discussed printing flyers with the message “Vote Ryan, Get Dutton”, knowing that Dutton was as toxic as Scott Morrison in the inner-city seat.
It barely seems necessary – and yet. Elements of the Liberal Party seem to think this can all be waved away, that they can introduce a “new Dutton” just as Scott Morrison offered to become a changed man. Many Liberals obviously hope that Dutton won’t last, but in the meantime they’re having to pretend he’s not the worst choice they could possibly make, given that Dutton has the numbers in the now even more conservative party. But do the remaining moderates really want to go on standing by toxic leadership, tacitly endorsing a rightward drift that has almost cleaned them out? Now would clearly be the time for them to finally take the stand they didn’t take while in government – they have nothing to lose, and plenty to repair in the teal seats they hope to win back one day. How will the moderate wing of the party ever rebuild itself if it allows Peter Dutton to take the leadership without so much as a fight?
At this stage it seems there is little the moderates can do to stop Dutton becoming Opposition leader. (This is something that many progressives are not so quietly celebrating, believing the party will only be delivering more teal independents in future; the same goes for keeping Barnaby Joyce, tweeted former independent MP Tony Windsor.) But in trying to convince the public that there could be a new Dutton, or that Dutton isn’t so bad, the remaining moderates are choosing to dig their own graves. One imagines that Josh Frydenberg now regrets not challenging his deeply unpopular leader in September, even if he wasn’t sure he had the numbers. And one can only imagine how much the remaining moderates will come to regret letting an even more unlikeable leader waltz right in.
https://www.themonthly.com.au/the-politics/rachel-withers/2022/05/25/same-same-dutton
Labor could be in for a long innings.
PermeateFree said:
dv said:
Same Same but DuttonBy Rachel Withers
The electorate won’t forget who Peter Dutton is, no matter how much the Liberal Party tries to rebrand him
It seems the deed is done. Arch-conservative Peter Dutton, perhaps the most divisive figure in the Liberal Party, is set to be its next leader, with no one planning to stand against him, while Sussan Ley is likely to be his deputy. It’s not clear if Dutton is merely a placeholder, a leader not expected to make it the next election. Perhaps he’s there to be a wrecker, a Tony Abbott–style Opposition leader who will undermine the Labor government, despite a clear call from the electorate for an end to the divisions that have riven federal politics. In any case, it’s hard to imagine he could win back government, in 2025 or ever, with the party already bleeding votes over its rightward lurch and toxic leadership. The remaining moderates, having marginalised themselves almost out of existence (if only Josh Frydenberg had listened to calls to challenge for the leadership), have no power to stop this, and they are already doing their best to rehabilitate Dutton’s image, promising that he’s not as bad as he seems. But does the party really expect Australians to forget everything this warmongering, dog-whistling hardliner has done?
It almost seems unnecessary to list it all, but Peter Dutton is the sort of politician who has done so many fucked-up things that it’s hard to remember them all (though perhaps that’s the point). He’s the man who walked out on Kevin Rudd’s apology to the Stolen Generations, one of the only MPs to do so. He was the minister caught on a hot mic joking about Pacific nations facing rising seas due to climate change, and who tore down Malcolm Turnbull for daring to do anything about it. He’s the guy – as Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews reminded us yesterday – who falsely claimed that Victorians were scared to go out due to “African gang violence”, and who incorrectly blamed teenager Laa Chol’s death on such gangs in a bid to score a point. He suggested that white South African visas should be “fast-tracked”, and described deporting a NZ minor as “taking the trash out”. He was slammed for accusing his Labor opponent of using her disability as an “excuse”, and had to apologise to journalist Samantha Maiden for labelling her “a mad fucking witch”, in a text message that he accidentally sent to Maiden herself.
He was the home affairs minister who started that cruel war against the Biloela family (they are now finally going home), who compared their children Tharunicaa and Kopika to “anchor babies”, and suggested that sick refugees could steal our hospital beds. He’s the guy who famously said that women in detention were “trying it on” in claiming they had been raped as a ploy to get to Australia for an abortion, and who sued an activist for defamation over the suggestion that this comment made him a “rape apologist” – and lost.
In recent months, he’s stoked war with China and suggested that Labor was Beijing’s “pick” for the election, thereby alienating Chinese voters and politicising national security, in what even The Australian saw as ludicrous posturing considering the state of Australia’s defences. (Not that he’s ever been particularly competent as a minster.) He’s the sort of man about whom sympathetic publications run profiles declaring he is “not a monster” – a real quote from his wife. He is so unpopular in places like Kooyong that Frydenberg’s increasingly desperate campaign reportedly discussed printing flyers with the message “Vote Ryan, Get Dutton”, knowing that Dutton was as toxic as Scott Morrison in the inner-city seat.
It barely seems necessary – and yet. Elements of the Liberal Party seem to think this can all be waved away, that they can introduce a “new Dutton” just as Scott Morrison offered to become a changed man. Many Liberals obviously hope that Dutton won’t last, but in the meantime they’re having to pretend he’s not the worst choice they could possibly make, given that Dutton has the numbers in the now even more conservative party. But do the remaining moderates really want to go on standing by toxic leadership, tacitly endorsing a rightward drift that has almost cleaned them out? Now would clearly be the time for them to finally take the stand they didn’t take while in government – they have nothing to lose, and plenty to repair in the teal seats they hope to win back one day. How will the moderate wing of the party ever rebuild itself if it allows Peter Dutton to take the leadership without so much as a fight?
At this stage it seems there is little the moderates can do to stop Dutton becoming Opposition leader. (This is something that many progressives are not so quietly celebrating, believing the party will only be delivering more teal independents in future; the same goes for keeping Barnaby Joyce, tweeted former independent MP Tony Windsor.) But in trying to convince the public that there could be a new Dutton, or that Dutton isn’t so bad, the remaining moderates are choosing to dig their own graves. One imagines that Josh Frydenberg now regrets not challenging his deeply unpopular leader in September, even if he wasn’t sure he had the numbers. And one can only imagine how much the remaining moderates will come to regret letting an even more unlikeable leader waltz right in.
https://www.themonthly.com.au/the-politics/rachel-withers/2022/05/25/same-same-dutton
Labor could be in for a long innings.
Michael Wet estimates that it would take more than two to put the public service back together.
dv said:
Same Same but DuttonBy Rachel Withers
The electorate won’t forget who Peter Dutton is, no matter how much the Liberal Party tries to rebrand him
It seems the deed is done. Arch-conservative Peter Dutton, perhaps the most divisive figure in the Liberal Party, is set to be its next leader, with no one planning to stand against him, while Sussan Ley is likely to be his deputy. It’s not clear if Dutton is merely a placeholder, a leader not expected to make it the next election. Perhaps he’s there to be a wrecker, a Tony Abbott–style Opposition leader who will undermine the Labor government, despite a clear call from the electorate for an end to the divisions that have riven federal politics. In any case, it’s hard to imagine he could win back government, in 2025 or ever, with the party already bleeding votes over its rightward lurch and toxic leadership. The remaining moderates, having marginalised themselves almost out of existence (if only Josh Frydenberg had listened to calls to challenge for the leadership), have no power to stop this, and they are already doing their best to rehabilitate Dutton’s image, promising that he’s not as bad as he seems. But does the party really expect Australians to forget everything this warmongering, dog-whistling hardliner has done?
It almost seems unnecessary to list it all, but Peter Dutton is the sort of politician who has done so many fucked-up things that it’s hard to remember them all (though perhaps that’s the point). He’s the man who walked out on Kevin Rudd’s apology to the Stolen Generations, one of the only MPs to do so. He was the minister caught on a hot mic joking about Pacific nations facing rising seas due to climate change, and who tore down Malcolm Turnbull for daring to do anything about it. He’s the guy – as Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews reminded us yesterday – who falsely claimed that Victorians were scared to go out due to “African gang violence”, and who incorrectly blamed teenager Laa Chol’s death on such gangs in a bid to score a point. He suggested that white South African visas should be “fast-tracked”, and described deporting a NZ minor as “taking the trash out”. He was slammed for accusing his Labor opponent of using her disability as an “excuse”, and had to apologise to journalist Samantha Maiden for labelling her “a mad fucking witch”, in a text message that he accidentally sent to Maiden herself.
He was the home affairs minister who started that cruel war against the Biloela family (they are now finally going home), who compared their children Tharunicaa and Kopika to “anchor babies”, and suggested that sick refugees could steal our hospital beds. He’s the guy who famously said that women in detention were “trying it on” in claiming they had been raped as a ploy to get to Australia for an abortion, and who sued an activist for defamation over the suggestion that this comment made him a “rape apologist” – and lost.
In recent months, he’s stoked war with China and suggested that Labor was Beijing’s “pick” for the election, thereby alienating Chinese voters and politicising national security, in what even The Australian saw as ludicrous posturing considering the state of Australia’s defences. (Not that he’s ever been particularly competent as a minster.) He’s the sort of man about whom sympathetic publications run profiles declaring he is “not a monster” – a real quote from his wife. He is so unpopular in places like Kooyong that Frydenberg’s increasingly desperate campaign reportedly discussed printing flyers with the message “Vote Ryan, Get Dutton”, knowing that Dutton was as toxic as Scott Morrison in the inner-city seat.
It barely seems necessary – and yet. Elements of the Liberal Party seem to think this can all be waved away, that they can introduce a “new Dutton” just as Scott Morrison offered to become a changed man. Many Liberals obviously hope that Dutton won’t last, but in the meantime they’re having to pretend he’s not the worst choice they could possibly make, given that Dutton has the numbers in the now even more conservative party. But do the remaining moderates really want to go on standing by toxic leadership, tacitly endorsing a rightward drift that has almost cleaned them out? Now would clearly be the time for them to finally take the stand they didn’t take while in government – they have nothing to lose, and plenty to repair in the teal seats they hope to win back one day. How will the moderate wing of the party ever rebuild itself if it allows Peter Dutton to take the leadership without so much as a fight?
At this stage it seems there is little the moderates can do to stop Dutton becoming Opposition leader. (This is something that many progressives are not so quietly celebrating, believing the party will only be delivering more teal independents in future; the same goes for keeping Barnaby Joyce, tweeted former independent MP Tony Windsor.) But in trying to convince the public that there could be a new Dutton, or that Dutton isn’t so bad, the remaining moderates are choosing to dig their own graves. One imagines that Josh Frydenberg now regrets not challenging his deeply unpopular leader in September, even if he wasn’t sure he had the numbers. And one can only imagine how much the remaining moderates will come to regret letting an even more unlikeable leader waltz right in.
https://www.themonthly.com.au/the-politics/rachel-withers/2022/05/25/same-same-dutton
Dear Rachel Withers,
Stating the bleedin’ obvious. Could have just written “Potato Head? WTF?”.
Short and simple Then gone to lunch and taken the rest of the day off, hey what but.
PermeateFree said:
dv said:
Same Same but DuttonBy Rachel Withers
The electorate won’t forget who Peter Dutton is, no matter how much the Liberal Party tries to rebrand him
It seems the deed is done. Arch-conservative Peter Dutton, perhaps the most divisive figure in the Liberal Party, is set to be its next leader, with no one planning to stand against him, while Sussan Ley is likely to be his deputy. It’s not clear if Dutton is merely a placeholder, a leader not expected to make it the next election. Perhaps he’s there to be a wrecker, a Tony Abbott–style Opposition leader who will undermine the Labor government, despite a clear call from the electorate for an end to the divisions that have riven federal politics. In any case, it’s hard to imagine he could win back government, in 2025 or ever, with the party already bleeding votes over its rightward lurch and toxic leadership. The remaining moderates, having marginalised themselves almost out of existence (if only Josh Frydenberg had listened to calls to challenge for the leadership), have no power to stop this, and they are already doing their best to rehabilitate Dutton’s image, promising that he’s not as bad as he seems. But does the party really expect Australians to forget everything this warmongering, dog-whistling hardliner has done?
It almost seems unnecessary to list it all, but Peter Dutton is the sort of politician who has done so many fucked-up things that it’s hard to remember them all (though perhaps that’s the point). He’s the man who walked out on Kevin Rudd’s apology to the Stolen Generations, one of the only MPs to do so. He was the minister caught on a hot mic joking about Pacific nations facing rising seas due to climate change, and who tore down Malcolm Turnbull for daring to do anything about it. He’s the guy – as Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews reminded us yesterday – who falsely claimed that Victorians were scared to go out due to “African gang violence”, and who incorrectly blamed teenager Laa Chol’s death on such gangs in a bid to score a point. He suggested that white South African visas should be “fast-tracked”, and described deporting a NZ minor as “taking the trash out”. He was slammed for accusing his Labor opponent of using her disability as an “excuse”, and had to apologise to journalist Samantha Maiden for labelling her “a mad fucking witch”, in a text message that he accidentally sent to Maiden herself.
He was the home affairs minister who started that cruel war against the Biloela family (they are now finally going home), who compared their children Tharunicaa and Kopika to “anchor babies”, and suggested that sick refugees could steal our hospital beds. He’s the guy who famously said that women in detention were “trying it on” in claiming they had been raped as a ploy to get to Australia for an abortion, and who sued an activist for defamation over the suggestion that this comment made him a “rape apologist” – and lost.
In recent months, he’s stoked war with China and suggested that Labor was Beijing’s “pick” for the election, thereby alienating Chinese voters and politicising national security, in what even The Australian saw as ludicrous posturing considering the state of Australia’s defences. (Not that he’s ever been particularly competent as a minster.) He’s the sort of man about whom sympathetic publications run profiles declaring he is “not a monster” – a real quote from his wife. He is so unpopular in places like Kooyong that Frydenberg’s increasingly desperate campaign reportedly discussed printing flyers with the message “Vote Ryan, Get Dutton”, knowing that Dutton was as toxic as Scott Morrison in the inner-city seat.
It barely seems necessary – and yet. Elements of the Liberal Party seem to think this can all be waved away, that they can introduce a “new Dutton” just as Scott Morrison offered to become a changed man. Many Liberals obviously hope that Dutton won’t last, but in the meantime they’re having to pretend he’s not the worst choice they could possibly make, given that Dutton has the numbers in the now even more conservative party. But do the remaining moderates really want to go on standing by toxic leadership, tacitly endorsing a rightward drift that has almost cleaned them out? Now would clearly be the time for them to finally take the stand they didn’t take while in government – they have nothing to lose, and plenty to repair in the teal seats they hope to win back one day. How will the moderate wing of the party ever rebuild itself if it allows Peter Dutton to take the leadership without so much as a fight?
At this stage it seems there is little the moderates can do to stop Dutton becoming Opposition leader. (This is something that many progressives are not so quietly celebrating, believing the party will only be delivering more teal independents in future; the same goes for keeping Barnaby Joyce, tweeted former independent MP Tony Windsor.) But in trying to convince the public that there could be a new Dutton, or that Dutton isn’t so bad, the remaining moderates are choosing to dig their own graves. One imagines that Josh Frydenberg now regrets not challenging his deeply unpopular leader in September, even if he wasn’t sure he had the numbers. And one can only imagine how much the remaining moderates will come to regret letting an even more unlikeable leader waltz right in.
https://www.themonthly.com.au/the-politics/rachel-withers/2022/05/25/same-same-dutton
Labor could be in for a long innings.
Don’t get your hopes up too much.
The coalition had a very slim majority, only 76 out of 151 seats, which is the skinniest margin you can have. Once the counting is done and dusted the ALP looks like having somewhere between 75 and 77. Which is hardly a secure margin. It only needs a couple of seats lost and they are out of office.
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:
dv said:
Same Same but DuttonBy Rachel Withers
The electorate won’t forget who Peter Dutton is, no matter how much the Liberal Party tries to rebrand him
It seems the deed is done. Arch-conservative Peter Dutton, perhaps the most divisive figure in the Liberal Party, is set to be its next leader, with no one planning to stand against him, while Sussan Ley is likely to be his deputy. It’s not clear if Dutton is merely a placeholder, a leader not expected to make it the next election. Perhaps he’s there to be a wrecker, a Tony Abbott–style Opposition leader who will undermine the Labor government, despite a clear call from the electorate for an end to the divisions that have riven federal politics. In any case, it’s hard to imagine he could win back government, in 2025 or ever, with the party already bleeding votes over its rightward lurch and toxic leadership. The remaining moderates, having marginalised themselves almost out of existence (if only Josh Frydenberg had listened to calls to challenge for the leadership), have no power to stop this, and they are already doing their best to rehabilitate Dutton’s image, promising that he’s not as bad as he seems. But does the party really expect Australians to forget everything this warmongering, dog-whistling hardliner has done?
It almost seems unnecessary to list it all, but Peter Dutton is the sort of politician who has done so many fucked-up things that it’s hard to remember them all (though perhaps that’s the point). He’s the man who walked out on Kevin Rudd’s apology to the Stolen Generations, one of the only MPs to do so. He was the minister caught on a hot mic joking about Pacific nations facing rising seas due to climate change, and who tore down Malcolm Turnbull for daring to do anything about it. He’s the guy – as Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews reminded us yesterday – who falsely claimed that Victorians were scared to go out due to “African gang violence”, and who incorrectly blamed teenager Laa Chol’s death on such gangs in a bid to score a point. He suggested that white South African visas should be “fast-tracked”, and described deporting a NZ minor as “taking the trash out”. He was slammed for accusing his Labor opponent of using her disability as an “excuse”, and had to apologise to journalist Samantha Maiden for labelling her “a mad fucking witch”, in a text message that he accidentally sent to Maiden herself.
He was the home affairs minister who started that cruel war against the Biloela family (they are now finally going home), who compared their children Tharunicaa and Kopika to “anchor babies”, and suggested that sick refugees could steal our hospital beds. He’s the guy who famously said that women in detention were “trying it on” in claiming they had been raped as a ploy to get to Australia for an abortion, and who sued an activist for defamation over the suggestion that this comment made him a “rape apologist” – and lost.
In recent months, he’s stoked war with China and suggested that Labor was Beijing’s “pick” for the election, thereby alienating Chinese voters and politicising national security, in what even The Australian saw as ludicrous posturing considering the state of Australia’s defences. (Not that he’s ever been particularly competent as a minster.) He’s the sort of man about whom sympathetic publications run profiles declaring he is “not a monster” – a real quote from his wife. He is so unpopular in places like Kooyong that Frydenberg’s increasingly desperate campaign reportedly discussed printing flyers with the message “Vote Ryan, Get Dutton”, knowing that Dutton was as toxic as Scott Morrison in the inner-city seat.
It barely seems necessary – and yet. Elements of the Liberal Party seem to think this can all be waved away, that they can introduce a “new Dutton” just as Scott Morrison offered to become a changed man. Many Liberals obviously hope that Dutton won’t last, but in the meantime they’re having to pretend he’s not the worst choice they could possibly make, given that Dutton has the numbers in the now even more conservative party. But do the remaining moderates really want to go on standing by toxic leadership, tacitly endorsing a rightward drift that has almost cleaned them out? Now would clearly be the time for them to finally take the stand they didn’t take while in government – they have nothing to lose, and plenty to repair in the teal seats they hope to win back one day. How will the moderate wing of the party ever rebuild itself if it allows Peter Dutton to take the leadership without so much as a fight?
At this stage it seems there is little the moderates can do to stop Dutton becoming Opposition leader. (This is something that many progressives are not so quietly celebrating, believing the party will only be delivering more teal independents in future; the same goes for keeping Barnaby Joyce, tweeted former independent MP Tony Windsor.) But in trying to convince the public that there could be a new Dutton, or that Dutton isn’t so bad, the remaining moderates are choosing to dig their own graves. One imagines that Josh Frydenberg now regrets not challenging his deeply unpopular leader in September, even if he wasn’t sure he had the numbers. And one can only imagine how much the remaining moderates will come to regret letting an even more unlikeable leader waltz right in.
https://www.themonthly.com.au/the-politics/rachel-withers/2022/05/25/same-same-dutton
Labor could be in for a long innings.
Don’t get your hopes up too much.
The coalition had a very slim majority, only 76 out of 151 seats, which is the skinniest margin you can have. Once the counting is done and dusted the ALP looks like having somewhere between 75 and 77. Which is hardly a secure margin. It only needs a couple of seats lost and they are out of office.
Not if Dutton lives up to expectations.
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:Labor could be in for a long innings.
Don’t get your hopes up too much.
The coalition had a very slim majority, only 76 out of 151 seats, which is the skinniest margin you can have. Once the counting is done and dusted the ALP looks like having somewhere between 75 and 77. Which is hardly a secure margin. It only needs a couple of seats lost and they are out of office.
Not if Dutton lives up to expectations.
Oh, I certainly hope he does, and more Liberal party seats fall to teal independents.
Personally, I just hope Albo is not another Kevin Rudd.
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:Don’t get your hopes up too much.
The coalition had a very slim majority, only 76 out of 151 seats, which is the skinniest margin you can have. Once the counting is done and dusted the ALP looks like having somewhere between 75 and 77. Which is hardly a secure margin. It only needs a couple of seats lost and they are out of office.
Not if Dutton lives up to expectations.
Oh, I certainly hope he does, and more Liberal party seats fall to teal independents.
Personally, I just hope Albo is not another Kevin Rudd.
Not likely. He has a reputation for being diplomatic and an effective negotiator.
Bubblecar said:
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:Not if Dutton lives up to expectations.
Oh, I certainly hope he does, and more Liberal party seats fall to teal independents.
Personally, I just hope Albo is not another Kevin Rudd.
Not likely. He has a reputation for being diplomatic and an effective negotiator.
So just like Kevin then.
< / sarc>
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:
dv said:
Same Same but DuttonBy Rachel Withers
The electorate won’t forget who Peter Dutton is, no matter how much the Liberal Party tries to rebrand him
It seems the deed is done. Arch-conservative Peter Dutton, perhaps the most divisive figure in the Liberal Party, is set to be its next leader, with no one planning to stand against him, while Sussan Ley is likely to be his deputy. It’s not clear if Dutton is merely a placeholder, a leader not expected to make it the next election. Perhaps he’s there to be a wrecker, a Tony Abbott–style Opposition leader who will undermine the Labor government, despite a clear call from the electorate for an end to the divisions that have riven federal politics. In any case, it’s hard to imagine he could win back government, in 2025 or ever, with the party already bleeding votes over its rightward lurch and toxic leadership. The remaining moderates, having marginalised themselves almost out of existence (if only Josh Frydenberg had listened to calls to challenge for the leadership), have no power to stop this, and they are already doing their best to rehabilitate Dutton’s image, promising that he’s not as bad as he seems. But does the party really expect Australians to forget everything this warmongering, dog-whistling hardliner has done?
It almost seems unnecessary to list it all, but Peter Dutton is the sort of politician who has done so many fucked-up things that it’s hard to remember them all (though perhaps that’s the point). He’s the man who walked out on Kevin Rudd’s apology to the Stolen Generations, one of the only MPs to do so. He was the minister caught on a hot mic joking about Pacific nations facing rising seas due to climate change, and who tore down Malcolm Turnbull for daring to do anything about it. He’s the guy – as Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews reminded us yesterday – who falsely claimed that Victorians were scared to go out due to “African gang violence”, and who incorrectly blamed teenager Laa Chol’s death on such gangs in a bid to score a point. He suggested that white South African visas should be “fast-tracked”, and described deporting a NZ minor as “taking the trash out”. He was slammed for accusing his Labor opponent of using her disability as an “excuse”, and had to apologise to journalist Samantha Maiden for labelling her “a mad fucking witch”, in a text message that he accidentally sent to Maiden herself.
He was the home affairs minister who started that cruel war against the Biloela family (they are now finally going home), who compared their children Tharunicaa and Kopika to “anchor babies”, and suggested that sick refugees could steal our hospital beds. He’s the guy who famously said that women in detention were “trying it on” in claiming they had been raped as a ploy to get to Australia for an abortion, and who sued an activist for defamation over the suggestion that this comment made him a “rape apologist” – and lost.
In recent months, he’s stoked war with China and suggested that Labor was Beijing’s “pick” for the election, thereby alienating Chinese voters and politicising national security, in what even The Australian saw as ludicrous posturing considering the state of Australia’s defences. (Not that he’s ever been particularly competent as a minster.) He’s the sort of man about whom sympathetic publications run profiles declaring he is “not a monster” – a real quote from his wife. He is so unpopular in places like Kooyong that Frydenberg’s increasingly desperate campaign reportedly discussed printing flyers with the message “Vote Ryan, Get Dutton”, knowing that Dutton was as toxic as Scott Morrison in the inner-city seat.
It barely seems necessary – and yet. Elements of the Liberal Party seem to think this can all be waved away, that they can introduce a “new Dutton” just as Scott Morrison offered to become a changed man. Many Liberals obviously hope that Dutton won’t last, but in the meantime they’re having to pretend he’s not the worst choice they could possibly make, given that Dutton has the numbers in the now even more conservative party. But do the remaining moderates really want to go on standing by toxic leadership, tacitly endorsing a rightward drift that has almost cleaned them out? Now would clearly be the time for them to finally take the stand they didn’t take while in government – they have nothing to lose, and plenty to repair in the teal seats they hope to win back one day. How will the moderate wing of the party ever rebuild itself if it allows Peter Dutton to take the leadership without so much as a fight?
At this stage it seems there is little the moderates can do to stop Dutton becoming Opposition leader. (This is something that many progressives are not so quietly celebrating, believing the party will only be delivering more teal independents in future; the same goes for keeping Barnaby Joyce, tweeted former independent MP Tony Windsor.) But in trying to convince the public that there could be a new Dutton, or that Dutton isn’t so bad, the remaining moderates are choosing to dig their own graves. One imagines that Josh Frydenberg now regrets not challenging his deeply unpopular leader in September, even if he wasn’t sure he had the numbers. And one can only imagine how much the remaining moderates will come to regret letting an even more unlikeable leader waltz right in.
https://www.themonthly.com.au/the-politics/rachel-withers/2022/05/25/same-same-dutton
Labor could be in for a long innings.
Don’t get your hopes up too much.
The coalition had a very slim majority, only 76 out of 151 seats, which is the skinniest margin you can have. Once the counting is done and dusted the ALP looks like having somewhere between 75 and 77. Which is hardly a secure margin. It only needs a couple of seats lost and they are out of office.
I doubt it. The crossbench is full of people who didn’t like Morrison and like Dutton less. From here the ALP could probably lose 8 seats and still maintain a minority government.
The Liberal Party is likely to get together whatever gang that they believe can do the job, and sit Dutton down and tell him how it’s going to have to be.
And how it’s going to have to be is ‘very closely managed’.
He’s going to have to be made to see that absolutely everything does, says, thinks, wishes for, loves, hates, wants, loses, you name it, is no longer up to him. He’ll have a team of minders, dedicated to ensuring that every step he takes is carefully planned, scripted, and executed, and he’d better listen to them and do as they tell him if he ever wants to be PM.
No more half-witted, careless, empty-headed faux pas. They’ll have to meticulously craft a new image for him as being responsible, sensible, and capable leadership material. It’ll take time, but if the lie can be told long enough and carefully enough, they might pull it off, and voters will start to think of him and his party as being the ones who should be running the country, which is what they see as their divine right.
Labor won
woo hoo
Take that liberals.
Opens champagne
Again.
Woo hoo.
captain_spalding said:
The Liberal Party is likely to get together whatever gang that they believe can do the job, and sit Dutton down and tell him how it’s going to have to be.And how it’s going to have to be is ‘very closely managed’.
He’s going to have to be made to see that absolutely everything does, says, thinks, wishes for, loves, hates, wants, loses, you name it, is no longer up to him. He’ll have a team of minders, dedicated to ensuring that every step he takes is carefully planned, scripted, and executed, and he’d better listen to them and do as they tell him if he ever wants to be PM.
No more half-witted, careless, empty-headed faux pas. They’ll have to meticulously craft a new image for him as being responsible, sensible, and capable leadership material. It’ll take time, but if the lie can be told long enough and carefully enough, they might pull it off, and voters will start to think of him and his party as being the ones who should be running the country, which is what they see as their divine right.
Nah, what’s the point of that?
He’ll just come across as phony and shallow. I don’t think there are many politicians who can put aside what is basically their core personality and become someone else – and do it convincingly.
party_pants said:
He’ll just come across as phony and shallow. I don’t think there are many politicians who can put aside what is basically their core personality and become someone else – and do it convincingly.
That may well be the outcome, but i reckon they’ll give it a red-hot go. The Libs don’t have that many believable male alternatives for leader, and they’re not yet anywhere near grown-up enough to seriously contemplate a female leader (plus they saw how Julia Gillard was treated with fundamental hostility and suspicion by Australia in general).
If it doesn’t work, there’ll be leadership challenges, for sure, but in the near future they’ll be looking to get themselves set up in the new situation, and begin testing each other’s support in the new landscape. In the meantime, the party only has Dutton to work on/with.
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:He’ll just come across as phony and shallow. I don’t think there are many politicians who can put aside what is basically their core personality and become someone else – and do it convincingly.
That may well be the outcome, but i reckon they’ll give it a red-hot go. The Libs don’t have that many believable male alternatives for leader, and they’re not yet anywhere near grown-up enough to seriously contemplate a female leader (plus they saw how Julia Gillard was treated with fundamental hostility and suspicion by Australia in general).
If it doesn’t work, there’ll be leadership challenges, for sure, but in the near future they’ll be looking to get themselves set up in the new situation, and begin testing each other’s support in the new landscape. In the meantime, the party only has Dutton to work on/with.
You should be celebrating.
PermeateFree said:
You should be celebrating.
To some degree, i am.
It’s always a pleasure to see a bunch of privileged, self-serving, underhanded, incompetent, conniving snobs get their world shaken up a bit.
But, at the same time, it helps to feed their contempt for the people who voted for that shake-up, and can make them more determined to get back and make sure it’s less likely to happen again.
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:
He’ll just come across as phony and shallow. I don’t think there are many politicians who can put aside what is basically their core personality and become someone else – and do it convincingly.
That may well be the outcome, but i reckon they’ll give it a red-hot go. The Libs don’t have that many believable male alternatives for leader, and they’re not yet anywhere near grown-up enough to seriously contemplate a female leader (plus they saw how Julia Gillard was treated with fundamental hostility and suspicion by Australia in general).
If it doesn’t work, there’ll be leadership challenges, for sure, but in the near future they’ll be looking to get themselves set up in the new situation, and begin testing each other’s support in the new landscape. In the meantime, the party only has Dutton to work on/with.
we mean
politicians are basically professional liars andor actors andor poker players kind of thing right
so
politicians who can put aside what is basically their core personality and become someone else
well
I missed this first dog. enjoyed reading on this side of the election.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/may/20/what-will-it-be-like-or-what-would-it-have-been-like-under-an-albo-government
captain_spalding said:
The Liberal Party is likely to get together whatever gang that they believe can do the job, and sit Dutton down and tell him how it’s going to have to be.And how it’s going to have to be is ‘very closely managed’.
He’s going to have to be made to see that absolutely everything does, says, thinks, wishes for, loves, hates, wants, loses, you name it, is no longer up to him. He’ll have a team of minders, dedicated to ensuring that every step he takes is carefully planned, scripted, and executed, and he’d better listen to them and do as they tell him if he ever wants to be PM.
No more half-witted, careless, empty-headed faux pas. They’ll have to meticulously craft a new image for him as being responsible, sensible, and capable leadership material. It’ll take time, but if the lie can be told long enough and carefully enough, they might pull it off, and voters will start to think of him and his party as being the ones who should be running the country, which is what they see as their divine right.
I thought they might at least put a moderate in as deputy leader but the gossip is that it is going to be Sussan Ley.
dv said:
captain_spalding said:
The Liberal Party is likely to get together whatever gang that they believe can do the job, and sit Dutton down and tell him how it’s going to have to be.And how it’s going to have to be is ‘very closely managed’.
He’s going to have to be made to see that absolutely everything does, says, thinks, wishes for, loves, hates, wants, loses, you name it, is no longer up to him. He’ll have a team of minders, dedicated to ensuring that every step he takes is carefully planned, scripted, and executed, and he’d better listen to them and do as they tell him if he ever wants to be PM.
No more half-witted, careless, empty-headed faux pas. They’ll have to meticulously craft a new image for him as being responsible, sensible, and capable leadership material. It’ll take time, but if the lie can be told long enough and carefully enough, they might pull it off, and voters will start to think of him and his party as being the ones who should be running the country, which is what they see as their divine right.
I thought they might at least put a moderate in as deputy leader but the gossip is that it is going to be Sussan Ley.
poor bridget
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
captain_spalding said:
The Liberal Party is likely to get together whatever gang that they believe can do the job, and sit Dutton down and tell him how it’s going to have to be.And how it’s going to have to be is ‘very closely managed’.
He’s going to have to be made to see that absolutely everything does, says, thinks, wishes for, loves, hates, wants, loses, you name it, is no longer up to him. He’ll have a team of minders, dedicated to ensuring that every step he takes is carefully planned, scripted, and executed, and he’d better listen to them and do as they tell him if he ever wants to be PM.
No more half-witted, careless, empty-headed faux pas. They’ll have to meticulously craft a new image for him as being responsible, sensible, and capable leadership material. It’ll take time, but if the lie can be told long enough and carefully enough, they might pull it off, and voters will start to think of him and his party as being the ones who should be running the country, which is what they see as their divine right.
I thought they might at least put a moderate in as deputy leader but the gossip is that it is going to be Sussan Ley.
poor bridget
According to TATE:
In March 2021, The Sydney Morning Herald stated that Ley was a member of the Centre-Right faction of the Liberal Party. However, in May 2022 ABC News reported that she was “not aligned with the conservative or moderate factions”.
For some reason, I seem to know nothing about her.
The Rev Dodgson said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:I thought they might at least put a moderate in as deputy leader but the gossip is that it is going to be Sussan Ley.
poor bridget
According to TATE:
In March 2021, The Sydney Morning Herald stated that Ley was a member of the Centre-Right faction of the Liberal Party. However, in May 2022 ABC News reported that she was “not aligned with the conservative or moderate factions”.For some reason, I seem to know nothing about her.
Bounced around between ministries throughout the 9 years of Coalition govt, had a bit of an expenses scandal.
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
sarahs mum said:poor bridget
According to TATE:
In March 2021, The Sydney Morning Herald stated that Ley was a member of the Centre-Right faction of the Liberal Party. However, in May 2022 ABC News reported that she was “not aligned with the conservative or moderate factions”.For some reason, I seem to know nothing about her.
Bounced around between ministries throughout the 9 years of Coalition govt, had a bit of an expenses scandal.
Knew equally little about Bridget Archer. This seems quite informative:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-23/bridget-archer-considering-tilt-for-liberal-leader-deputy-spot/101090690
dv said:
captain_spalding said:
The Liberal Party is likely to get together whatever gang that they believe can do the job, and sit Dutton down and tell him how it’s going to have to be.And how it’s going to have to be is ‘very closely managed’.
He’s going to have to be made to see that absolutely everything does, says, thinks, wishes for, loves, hates, wants, loses, you name it, is no longer up to him. He’ll have a team of minders, dedicated to ensuring that every step he takes is carefully planned, scripted, and executed, and he’d better listen to them and do as they tell him if he ever wants to be PM.
No more half-witted, careless, empty-headed faux pas. They’ll have to meticulously craft a new image for him as being responsible, sensible, and capable leadership material. It’ll take time, but if the lie can be told long enough and carefully enough, they might pull it off, and voters will start to think of him and his party as being the ones who should be running the country, which is what they see as their divine right.
I thought they might at least put a moderate in as deputy leader but the gossip is that it is going to be Sussan Ley.
I’m not thinking about any Libs.. hopefully ever again..
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:According to TATE:
In March 2021, The Sydney Morning Herald stated that Ley was a member of the Centre-Right faction of the Liberal Party. However, in May 2022 ABC News reported that she was “not aligned with the conservative or moderate factions”.For some reason, I seem to know nothing about her.
Bounced around between ministries throughout the 9 years of Coalition govt, had a bit of an expenses scandal.
Knew equally little about Bridget Archer. This seems quite informative:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-23/bridget-archer-considering-tilt-for-liberal-leader-deputy-spot/101090690
Seems not the worst
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:Bounced around between ministries throughout the 9 years of Coalition govt, had a bit of an expenses scandal.
Knew equally little about Bridget Archer. This seems quite informative:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-23/bridget-archer-considering-tilt-for-liberal-leader-deputy-spot/101090690Seems not the worst
You’d think that getting a swing to rather than a swing against would mean something.
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
sarahs mum said:poor bridget
According to TATE:
In March 2021, The Sydney Morning Herald stated that Ley was a member of the Centre-Right faction of the Liberal Party. However, in May 2022 ABC News reported that she was “not aligned with the conservative or moderate factions”.For some reason, I seem to know nothing about her.
Bounced around between ministries throughout the 9 years of Coalition govt, had a bit of an expenses scandal.
I first read that as ‘miniseries’.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:According to TATE:
In March 2021, The Sydney Morning Herald stated that Ley was a member of the Centre-Right faction of the Liberal Party. However, in May 2022 ABC News reported that she was “not aligned with the conservative or moderate factions”.For some reason, I seem to know nothing about her.
Bounced around between ministries throughout the 9 years of Coalition govt, had a bit of an expenses scandal.
Knew equally little about Bridget Archer. This seems quite informative:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-23/bridget-archer-considering-tilt-for-liberal-leader-deputy-spot/101090690
Bridget was being seriously worked upon to go independent. She thinks that she can change the liberals into nicer people by staying in the party.
Poor Bridget.
They could get in again next election under bridget. She’s clean. She’s moderate.
And I don’t think she is outspoken.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-26/australian-election-voters-rage-despair-major-parties-on-notice/101095010
Another amusing piece by Annabel.
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-26/australian-election-voters-rage-despair-major-parties-on-notice/101095010Another amusing piece by Annabel.
There is obviously some truth in what she says, but I don’t think that her overall theme of a clear message that applies equally to both major parties really stands up.
If anything Labor listened too much to the swinging voters of 2019, and not enough to changing views on what should be done on climate change from across the political spectrum.
Also the high number of invalid votes doesn’t seem to support Annabel’s “clear message from the voters” message.
The Rev Dodgson said:
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-26/australian-election-voters-rage-despair-major-parties-on-notice/101095010Another amusing piece by Annabel.
There is obviously some truth in what she says, but I don’t think that her overall theme of a clear message that applies equally to both major parties really stands up.
If anything Labor listened too much to the swinging voters of 2019, and not enough to changing views on what should be done on climate change from across the political spectrum.
Also the high number of invalid votes doesn’t seem to support Annabel’s “clear message from the voters” message.
I “think” the key lesson the Labs learned after 2019 was less about listening to the electorate and more about not providing the LibNats with any ammunition.
Largely I think the Labs can be thankful that ScoMo was so widely disliked.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Also the high number of invalid votes doesn’t seem to support Annabel’s “clear message from the voters” message.
as they say, hindsight is always 6/6, but they didn’t ever claim it was free of a stigma, this is serious mum
diddly-squat said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-26/australian-election-voters-rage-despair-major-parties-on-notice/101095010Another amusing piece by Annabel.
There is obviously some truth in what she says, but I don’t think that her overall theme of a clear message that applies equally to both major parties really stands up.
If anything Labor listened too much to the swinging voters of 2019, and not enough to changing views on what should be done on climate change from across the political spectrum.
Also the high number of invalid votes doesn’t seem to support Annabel’s “clear message from the voters” message.
I “think” the key lesson the Labs learned after 2019 was less about listening to the electorate and more about not providing the LibNats with any ammunition.
Largely I think the Labs can be thankful that ScoMo was so widely disliked.
Agreed on both counts.
It seems that a lot of people are highly unimpressed with Albo.
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Also the high number of invalid votes doesn’t seem to support Annabel’s “clear message from the voters” message.
as they say, hindsight is always 6/6, but they didn’t ever claim it was free of a stigma, this is serious mum
Tamb said:
SCIENCE said:The Rev Dodgson said:
Also the high number of invalid votes doesn’t seem to support Annabel’s “clear message from the voters” message.
as they say, hindsight is always 6/6, but they didn’t ever claim it was free of a stigma, this is serious mum
The high informal vote numbers came from areas of high cultural diversity. Better education on Australia’s voting system could reduce these numbers.
The AEC have the numbers:
https://tallyroom.aec.gov.au/HouseInformalByDivision-27966-NAT.htm
But they don’t give a cultural diversity number, so I don’t know.
Anyway, the informal vote is actually 0.5% down on 2019, so it doesn’t seem to be significant one way or the other.
So the new member for Hunter is Commonwealth Games medallist Dan Repacholi. At 202 cm and 128 kg he’ll be easy to spot.
dv said:
So the new member for Hunter is Commonwealth Games medallist Dan Repacholi. At 202 cm and 128 kg he’ll be easy to spot.
The Rev Dodgson said:
diddly-squat said:
The Rev Dodgson said:There is obviously some truth in what she says, but I don’t think that her overall theme of a clear message that applies equally to both major parties really stands up.
If anything Labor listened too much to the swinging voters of 2019, and not enough to changing views on what should be done on climate change from across the political spectrum.
Also the high number of invalid votes doesn’t seem to support Annabel’s “clear message from the voters” message.
I “think” the key lesson the Labs learned after 2019 was less about listening to the electorate and more about not providing the LibNats with any ammunition.
Largely I think the Labs can be thankful that ScoMo was so widely disliked.
Agreed on both counts.
It seems that a lot of people are highly unimpressed with Albo.
me included – if for no other reason than he speaks incredibly poorly.. Policy means nothing if you can’t effectively communicate it, and can’t string a sentence together without half a dozen “umm’s” and “ahh’s”
diddly-squat said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
diddly-squat said:I “think” the key lesson the Labs learned after 2019 was less about listening to the electorate and more about not providing the LibNats with any ammunition.
Largely I think the Labs can be thankful that ScoMo was so widely disliked.
Agreed on both counts.
It seems that a lot of people are highly unimpressed with Albo.
me included – if for no other reason than he speaks incredibly poorly.. Policy means nothing if you can’t effectively communicate it, and can’t string a sentence together without half a dozen “umm’s” and “ahh’s”
Well that doesn’t bother me at all.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
So the new member for Hunter is Commonwealth Games medallist Dan Repacholi. At 202 cm and 128 kg he’ll be easy to spot.
yeah, a middle aged white dude will really stick out like dog’s balls in parliament
;)
The Rev Dodgson said:
diddly-squat said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Agreed on both counts.
It seems that a lot of people are highly unimpressed with Albo.
me included – if for no other reason than he speaks incredibly poorly.. Policy means nothing if you can’t effectively communicate it, and can’t string a sentence together without half a dozen “umm’s” and “ahh’s”
Well that doesn’t bother me at all.
Listening to it may not bother you, but my issue is more about his lack of ability to effectively communicate, than it is with him stumbling when he speaks. He needs to get better at delivering a coherent message, better at being disciplined in front of the media and better at leading effective debate in the House.
The Rev Dodgson said:
diddly-squat said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Agreed on both counts.
It seems that a lot of people are highly unimpressed with Albo.
me included – if for no other reason than he speaks incredibly poorly.. Policy means nothing if you can’t effectively communicate it, and can’t string a sentence together without half a dozen “umm’s” and “ahh’s”
Well that doesn’t bother me at all.
There was a large amount of press pushing the unimpressive motif. Did people really think about it and find out about what he has achieved, or did they just parrot the press? It’s a little akin to the idea that Julia wasn’t good at her job. When in fact she got an enormous amount done in a hung parliament. It’s not always necessary to go with the “How good is….” theme. Sometimes it’s good just to get on with the job.
diddly-squat said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
diddly-squat said:me included – if for no other reason than he speaks incredibly poorly.. Policy means nothing if you can’t effectively communicate it, and can’t string a sentence together without half a dozen “umm’s” and “ahh’s”
Well that doesn’t bother me at all.
Listening to it may not bother you, but my issue is more about his lack of ability to effectively communicate, than it is with him stumbling when he speaks. He needs to get better at delivering a coherent message, better at being disciplined in front of the media and better at leading effective debate in the House.
Well unless you have been in some real life meetings with him, I don’t know how you could rate his communication abilities.
buffy said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
diddly-squat said:me included – if for no other reason than he speaks incredibly poorly.. Policy means nothing if you can’t effectively communicate it, and can’t string a sentence together without half a dozen “umm’s” and “ahh’s”
Well that doesn’t bother me at all.
There was a large amount of press pushing the unimpressive motif. Did people really think about it and find out about what he has achieved, or did they just parrot the press? It’s a little akin to the idea that Julia wasn’t good at her job. When in fact she got an enormous amount done in a hung parliament. It’s not always necessary to go with the “How good is….” theme. Sometimes it’s good just to get on with the job.
Being a good leader (and more specifically a good PM) isn’t just about being able to pass legislation – having said that I think Joolia was a very good PM. She is articulate, she is intelligent and and she showed levels of empathy that were otherwise unseen from people in that position.
The Rev Dodgson said:
diddly-squat said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Well that doesn’t bother me at all.
Listening to it may not bother you, but my issue is more about his lack of ability to effectively communicate, than it is with him stumbling when he speaks. He needs to get better at delivering a coherent message, better at being disciplined in front of the media and better at leading effective debate in the House.
Well unless you have been in some real life meetings with him, I don’t know how you could rate his communication abilities.
He communicates to me on an almost daily basis, in fact he communicates with the entire population in the same way, and with the same frequency.
Having a one-on-one private conversation with an individual is not the only way leaders communicate.
diddly-squat said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
diddly-squat said:Listening to it may not bother you, but my issue is more about his lack of ability to effectively communicate, than it is with him stumbling when he speaks. He needs to get better at delivering a coherent message, better at being disciplined in front of the media and better at leading effective debate in the House.
Well unless you have been in some real life meetings with him, I don’t know how you could rate his communication abilities.
He communicates to me on an almost daily basis, in fact he communicates with the entire population in the same way, and with the same frequency.
Having a one-on-one private conversation with an individual is not the only way leaders communicate.
Sigh.
I didn’t say anything about one-on-one private conversations. I mention meetings, you know, the sort of thing where the people involved in some endeavour get together and agree a plan for what they want to do, and how they want to do it.
Of course I haven’t been in that sort of meeting with him either, but from what I have seen in group discussions where he has been involved, I’d rate him a good bit higher than Morrison..
diddly-squat said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
So the new member for Hunter is Commonwealth Games medallist Dan Repacholi. At 202 cm and 128 kg he’ll be easy to spot.
yeah, a middle aged white dude will really stick out like dog’s balls in parliament
;)
Is 40 middle aged?
dv said:
diddly-squat said:
Bubblecar said:
yeah, a middle aged white dude will really stick out like dog’s balls in parliament
;)
Is 40 middle aged?
40-72 isn’t it?
dv said:
diddly-squat said:
Bubblecar said:
yeah, a middle aged white dude will really stick out like dog’s balls in parliament
;)
Is 40 middle aged?
What the hell is it with socialists and truck tyres?
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
diddly-squat said:yeah, a middle aged white dude will really stick out like dog’s balls in parliament
;)
Is 40 middle aged?
40-72 isn’t it?
Close, it’s 72-76.
The Rev Dodgson said:
diddly-squat said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Well unless you have been in some real life meetings with him, I don’t know how you could rate his communication abilities.
He communicates to me on an almost daily basis, in fact he communicates with the entire population in the same way, and with the same frequency.
Having a one-on-one private conversation with an individual is not the only way leaders communicate.
Sigh.
I didn’t say anything about one-on-one private conversations. I mention meetings, you know, the sort of thing where the people involved in some endeavour get together and agree a plan for what they want to do, and how they want to do it.
Of course I haven’t been in that sort of meeting with him either, but from what I have seen in group discussions where he has been involved, I’d rate him a good bit higher than Morrison..
I understand what you mean, but I also think it’s fair to say that communicating in a small, non-public, forum is far from being the only way a PM needs to be a good communicator. Having said that, I’ve not seen him communicate in any non-public forum; nor did I ever witness ScoMo in a similar situation.
dv said:
diddly-squat said:
Bubblecar said:
yeah, a middle aged white dude will really stick out like dog’s balls in parliament
;)
Is 40 middle aged?
Shit no!!!!
The Rev Dodgson said:
diddly-squat said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Agreed on both counts.
It seems that a lot of people are highly unimpressed with Albo.
me included – if for no other reason than he speaks incredibly poorly.. Policy means nothing if you can’t effectively communicate it, and can’t string a sentence together without half a dozen “umm’s” and “ahh’s”
Well that doesn’t bother me at all.
imagine if spokespeople or media contact people existed to cover shit like this
The Psychology Today website defines middle aged as being between approximately 40 and 65.
now I’m not sure how authoritative that website is, but I’d call sibeen middle-aged, and reckon he falls into that cohort.. maybe.. just…
;)
The Rev Dodgson said:
diddly-squat said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Well that doesn’t bother me at all.
Listening to it may not bother you, but my issue is more about his lack of ability to effectively communicate, than it is with him stumbling when he speaks. He needs to get better at delivering a coherent message, better at being disciplined in front of the media and better at leading effective debate in the House.
Well unless you have been in some real life meetings with him, I don’t know how you could rate his communication abilities.
imagine if in matters of importance, arguments were considered on the merit of their content rather than on their vessels
I reckon Mr Green must be getting itchy to call this one for the Libs
close, but no cigar I reckon…
dv said:
diddly-squat said:
Bubblecar said:
yeah, a middle aged white dude will really stick out like dog’s balls in parliament
;)
Is 40 middle aged?
depends on which way you look at it. to a tenn it is probably more old than middle aged and to me, being oldish it is youngish.
Bogsnorkler said:
dv said:
diddly-squat said:yeah, a middle aged white dude will really stick out like dog’s balls in parliament
;)
Is 40 middle aged?
depends on which way you look at it. to a tenn it is probably more old than middle aged and to me, being oldish it is youngish.
In any case, it’s in the bottom age quartile in Australian parliament, where the average age is 52.
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
diddly-squat said:Listening to it may not bother you, but my issue is more about his lack of ability to effectively communicate, than it is with him stumbling when he speaks. He needs to get better at delivering a coherent message, better at being disciplined in front of the media and better at leading effective debate in the House.
Well unless you have been in some real life meetings with him, I don’t know how you could rate his communication abilities.
imagine if in matters of importance, arguments were considered on the merit of their content rather than on their vessels
the hoi polloi want a show, man.
Peak Warming Man said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:Is 40 middle aged?
40-72 isn’t it?
Close, it’s 72-76.
we put to you all that there is a very reasonable argument that middle aged should mean about 500 to 1500 years old
Bogsnorkler said:
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Well unless you have been in some real life meetings with him, I don’t know how you could rate his communication abilities.
imagine if in matters of importance, arguments were considered on the merit of their content rather than on their vessels
the hoi polloi want a show, man.
They want high Wyan shirts, high vis vests and uke your lalies.
Bubblecar said:
Bogsnorkler said:
SCIENCE said:imagine if in matters of importance, arguments were considered on the merit of their content rather than on their vessels
the hoi polloi want a show, man.
They want high Wyan shirts, high vis vests and uke your lalies.
we suppose it could have been even worse and we could have had Boris so yeah nevertheless thank fuck
SCIENCE said:
Bubblecar said:
Bogsnorkler said:the hoi polloi want a show, man.
They want high Wyan shirts, high vis vests and uke your lalies.
we suppose it could have been even worse and we could have had Boris so yeah nevertheless thank fuck
Thanks a lot.
Apparently Dutton wants to turn the Libs into Broadchurch, which was a morose British murder drama.
Boris said:
SCIENCE said:
Bubblecar said:They want high Wyan shirts, high vis vests and uke your lalies.
we suppose it could have been even worse and we could have had Boris so yeah nevertheless thank fuck
Thanks a lot.
No worries.
While Diddly says that Elbow has a communication problem the punters defiantly heard him say 5.1% pay rise for everyone and it should be here soon, probably next week and they are all rubbing their hands.
dv said:
Apparently Dutton wants to turn the Libs into Broadchurch, which was a morose British murder drama.
If anyone can do it, he can.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
Apparently Dutton wants to turn the Libs into Broadchurch, which was a morose British murder drama.
If anyone can do it, he can.
Bingeing Broadchurch, the first hit is for Broadbeach.
Clearly that is what Dutton meant when he said he was going to transform the Libs into something else.
Boris said:
Unfortunately that isn’t from Craig’s page
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100076105860863
why he call Lyons before Macnamara then
Boris said:
LOL
SCIENCE said:
why he call Lyons before Macnamara then
ABC to their credit are now showing brief notes explaining Brisbane and Macmamara.
Here is the call on Lyons.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-26/tasmanian-seat-of-lyons-called-for-labor-brian-mitchell/101096996
buffy said:
Here is the call on Lyons.
so a scomiracle could still happen
With counting crossing over the 80 per cent mark, Mr Mitchell leads with 50.9 per cent of the vote to the Liberal Party’s Susie Bower.
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:Here is the call on Lyons.
so a scomiracle could still happen
With counting crossing over the 80 per cent mark, Mr Mitchell leads with 50.9 per cent of the vote to the Liberal Party’s Susie Bower.
I shouldn’t think one seat will put the Coalition in the majority…
buffy said:
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:Here is the call on Lyons.
so a scomiracle could still happen
With counting crossing over the 80 per cent mark, Mr Mitchell leads with 50.9 per cent of the vote to the Liberal Party’s Susie Bower.
I shouldn’t think one seat will put the Coalition in the majority…
fair though keeping Communist Labor in a minority would inconvenience them, and surely be much preferred by Corruption groups
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:
SCIENCE said:so a scomiracle could still happen
With counting crossing over the 80 per cent mark, Mr Mitchell leads with 50.9 per cent of the vote to the Liberal Party’s Susie Bower.
I shouldn’t think one seat will put the Coalition in the majority…
fair though keeping Communist Labor in a minority would inconvenience them, and surely be much preferred by Corruption groups
My favourite sefs are pretty confident that Macnamara will end up with Labor, getting them to 76.
The other possible pickup is Brisbane but at present it seems Greens are more likely… will end up being close.
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:I shouldn’t think one seat will put the Coalition in the majority…
fair though keeping Communist Labor in a minority would inconvenience them, and surely be much preferred by Corruption groups
My favourite sefs are pretty confident that Macnamara will end up with Labor, getting them to 76.
The other possible pickup is Brisbane but at present it seems Greens are more likely… will end up being close.
How many recounts will be required do you think?
buffy said:
dv said:
SCIENCE said:fair though keeping Communist Labor in a minority would inconvenience them, and surely be much preferred by Corruption groups
My favourite sefs are pretty confident that Macnamara will end up with Labor, getting them to 76.
The other possible pickup is Brisbane but at present it seems Greens are more likely… will end up being close.
How many recounts will be required do you think?
I don’t know
Journalist-: Will these reflections of your first few days end up in a book.
Elbow-: Probably, I met he President of the United States in person.
Journalist-: Wow.
Journalist-: We might take a question from the audience.
Punter-: Where’s my wage rise?
Elbow-: We might leave it there, it’s been a tough and tiring few days.
Journalist-: No worries.
Peak Warming Man said:
Journalist-: Will these reflections of your first few days end up in a book.
Elbow-: Probably, I met he President of the United States in person.
Journalist-: Wow.
Journalist-: We might take a question from the audience.
Punter-: Where’s my wage rise?
Elbow-: We might leave it there, it’s been a tough and tiring few days.
Journalist-: No worries.
Crikey, LOL.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-26/celia-hammond-concedes-defeat-to-kate-chaney-in-curtin/101101442
buffy said:
sure let’s see it then
campaigned on the issues of climate change, integrity in politics and inclusive communities. Ms Chaney promised to hold the Albanese government to account on these issues. Ms Chaney today claimed victory
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-26/celia-hammond-concedes-defeat-to-kate-chaney-in-curtin/101101442
Hammond was pretty slow in this since it was pretty clear it was lost days ago.
This really is among the bluest of blue ribbon seats. Hammond won it 64 – 36 last time.
I would note that it has been held briefly by an independent before: Allan Rocher held the seat for 14 years as a Liberal but then was deselected prior to the 1996 election so that the brother of Premier Richard Court (Ken Court) could have the seat. Rocher left the party, sitting and then running as an Independent, beating Ken Court. He remained as an independent member for Curtin until the 1998 election but was beaten by Julie Bishop.
Prior to his run for Curtin, Rocher had been in the Senate, as was Fred Chaney. Chaney and Rocher competed for the Curtin preselection but Rocher came out in front. Chaney went on to be Deputy Leader of the Liberal Party.
Fun Fact: Kate Chaney who just won Curtin is Fred Chaney’s niece.
dv said:
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-26/celia-hammond-concedes-defeat-to-kate-chaney-in-curtin/101101442
Hammond was pretty slow in this since it was pretty clear it was lost days ago.
This really is among the bluest of blue ribbon seats. Hammond won it 64 – 36 last time.
I would note that it has been held briefly by an independent before: Allan Rocher held the seat for 14 years as a Liberal but then was deselected prior to the 1996 election so that the brother of Premier Richard Court (Ken Court) could have the seat. Rocher left the party, sitting and then running as an Independent, beating Ken Court. He remained as an independent member for Curtin until the 1998 election but was beaten by Julie Bishop.
Prior to his run for Curtin, Rocher had been in the Senate, as was Fred Chaney. Chaney and Rocher competed for the Curtin preselection but Rocher came out in front. Chaney went on to be Deputy Leader of the Liberal Party.
Fun Fact: Kate Chaney who just won Curtin is Fred Chaney’s niece.
A couple of weeks before the election, Fred Chaney wrote this piece:
https://www.smh.com.au/national/i-was-deputy-leader-of-the-liberals-the-party-i-served-has-lost-its-way-20220502-p5ahuz.html
I was deputy leader of the Liberals. The party I served has lost its way
Until 1995 I was a member of the Liberal party, and for 16 years a serving Liberal senator. I was a member of the frontbench for the majority of my years in the parliament and federal deputy leader from 1989 to 1990. The party I joined in 1958 proudly proclaimed that one of the distinctions between it and the Labor Party was that the primary obligation of a member of parliament was to the electorate, and that to cross the floor, unlike the tightly caucused Labor Party, was permitted on conscience issues.
However, the party I served has lost its way. Members are no longer able to successfully execute what the electorate demands and it is now in the sad position of being held hostage by its extremes and those of its Coalition partner.
dv said:
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-26/celia-hammond-concedes-defeat-to-kate-chaney-in-curtin/101101442
Hammond was pretty slow in this since it was pretty clear it was lost days ago.
This really is among the bluest of blue ribbon seats. Hammond won it 64 – 36 last time.
I would note that it has been held briefly by an independent before: Allan Rocher held the seat for 14 years as a Liberal but then was deselected prior to the 1996 election so that the brother of Premier Richard Court (Ken Court) could have the seat. Rocher left the party, sitting and then running as an Independent, beating Ken Court. He remained as an independent member for Curtin until the 1998 election but was beaten by Julie Bishop.
Prior to his run for Curtin, Rocher had been in the Senate, as was Fred Chaney. Chaney and Rocher competed for the Curtin preselection but Rocher came out in front. Chaney went on to be Deputy Leader of the Liberal Party.
Fun Fact: Kate Chaney who just won Curtin is Fred Chaney’s niece.
And who was her grandfather? The item says her grandfather was also a Liberal minister (I think. I read it a couple of hours ago now)
buffy said:
dv said:
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-26/celia-hammond-concedes-defeat-to-kate-chaney-in-curtin/101101442
Hammond was pretty slow in this since it was pretty clear it was lost days ago.
This really is among the bluest of blue ribbon seats. Hammond won it 64 – 36 last time.
I would note that it has been held briefly by an independent before: Allan Rocher held the seat for 14 years as a Liberal but then was deselected prior to the 1996 election so that the brother of Premier Richard Court (Ken Court) could have the seat. Rocher left the party, sitting and then running as an Independent, beating Ken Court. He remained as an independent member for Curtin until the 1998 election but was beaten by Julie Bishop.
Prior to his run for Curtin, Rocher had been in the Senate, as was Fred Chaney. Chaney and Rocher competed for the Curtin preselection but Rocher came out in front. Chaney went on to be Deputy Leader of the Liberal Party.
Fun Fact: Kate Chaney who just won Curtin is Fred Chaney’s niece.
And who was her grandfather? The item says her grandfather was also a Liberal minister (I think. I read it a couple of hours ago now)
That would Fred Chaney Senior, who was Minister for the Navy in the Menzies era.
dv said:
buffy said:
dv said:Hammond was pretty slow in this since it was pretty clear it was lost days ago.
This really is among the bluest of blue ribbon seats. Hammond won it 64 – 36 last time.
I would note that it has been held briefly by an independent before: Allan Rocher held the seat for 14 years as a Liberal but then was deselected prior to the 1996 election so that the brother of Premier Richard Court (Ken Court) could have the seat. Rocher left the party, sitting and then running as an Independent, beating Ken Court. He remained as an independent member for Curtin until the 1998 election but was beaten by Julie Bishop.
Prior to his run for Curtin, Rocher had been in the Senate, as was Fred Chaney. Chaney and Rocher competed for the Curtin preselection but Rocher came out in front. Chaney went on to be Deputy Leader of the Liberal Party.
Fun Fact: Kate Chaney who just won Curtin is Fred Chaney’s niece.
And who was her grandfather? The item says her grandfather was also a Liberal minister (I think. I read it a couple of hours ago now)
That would Fred Chaney Senior, who was Minister for the Navy in the Menzies era.
Ah, yes. Ta.
buffy said:
dv said:
buffy said:And who was her grandfather? The item says her grandfather was also a Liberal minister (I think. I read it a couple of hours ago now)
That would Fred Chaney Senior, who was Minister for the Navy in the Menzies era.
Ah, yes. Ta.
She has another uncle who is chairman of Wesfarmers and yet another who was a Supreme Court (WA) justice.
Seems like Antony has run out of fucks
dv said:
Labor won
Woo hoo
Why couldn’t Mr Green call the result before election night?
What does he do the rest of the time between elections.
Why have Mr green when the result will be known anyway?
I’m disappointed with Mr Green.
Tau.Neutrino said:
dv said:
Labor won
Woo hoo
Why couldn’t Mr Green call the result before election night?
What does he do the rest of the time between elections.
Why have Mr green when the result will be known anyway?
I’m disappointed with Mr Green.
well…
sarahs mum said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
dv said:
Labor won
Woo hoo
Why couldn’t Mr Green call the result before election night?
What does he do the rest of the time between elections.
Why have Mr green when the result will be known anyway?
I’m disappointed with Mr Green.
well…
well
I think its time a someone else took over his job.
Someone like that smart chick on 7:30 report, but focused on elections.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antony_Green
There were about 77000 phone votes according to the AEC. They’ve only just started to count them and haven’t listed them yet.
Took me a while to work out where they are listed on the AEC website. They are just treated as Ordinary votes happening at a polling place called EAV (electronic-assisted voting).
Tau.Neutrino said:
well
I think its time a someone else took over his job.
why though?
dv said:
Tau.Neutrino said:well
I think its time a someone else took over his job.
why though?
Antony is the best.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Tau.Neutrino said:well
I think its time a someone else took over his job.
why though?
Antony is the best.
Hold on, there are others?
sibeen said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:why though?
Antony is the best.
Hold on, there are others?
Tau seems to imagine so :)
sibeen said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:why though?
Antony is the best.
Hold on, there are others?
Yes.
Tau.Neutrino said:
sibeen said:
Bubblecar said:Antony is the best.
Hold on, there are others?
Yes.
sigh
Scotty was a bit of a dumbo PM.
I rate him 2 out of 10
Abbott was 0 out of 10
Turnbull hmm, around a 3
https://youtu.be/rGMrGlAHUq0
This is the bloke to restore our prestige in the Pacific
dv said:
https://youtu.be/rGMrGlAHUq0This is the bloke to restore our prestige in the Pacific
His ears can flap to God Save The Queen.
Scotty can go to hawaii now to enjoy barbeques all day and not worry about bushfires.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Scotty can go to hawaii now to enjoy barbeques all day and not worry about bushfires.
All that worry.
Looks like he is growing fangs.
Scott Morrison instructed Border Force to reveal election day asylum boat arrival
One of Scott Morrison’s final acts as Prime Minister was to instruct the Australian Border Force (ABF) to publicise an interception of a suspected asylum seeker boat on election day.
As voters were going to the polls on Saturday, the Operation Sovereign Borders Commander issued a rare statement announcing a “vessel has been intercepted in a likely attempt to illegally enter Australia from Sri Lanka”.
The ABC can reveal that the highly controversial move during the election caretaker period followed a direct request from the Prime Minister’s Office to publicly release details of the sensitive ABF operation before it had been completed.
About the same time as the prime minister spoke, the statement from Rear Admiral Justin Jones, the Operation Sovereign Borders Commander, appeared on the ABF’s website, warning that the Australian government’s policy on illegal boat arrivals “remains unchanged”.
The unusual disclosure of operational “on water matters” is now subject to an inquiry by Home Affairs Department Secretary Mike Pezzullo, ordered this week by the new Labor government.
Officials with knowledge of the events that occurred on Saturday say the Department of Home Affairs first examined the legality of issuing a statement during an election campaign because of concerns it could breach caretaker conventions and politicise the public service.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-27/scott-morrison-instructed-border-force-election-day-boat/101101464
Tau.Neutrino said:
Scotty was a bit of a dumbo PM.I rate him 2 out of 10
Abbott was 0 out of 10
Turnbull hmm, around a 3
Turnbull could have scored a lot higher, but it’s not easy to be a PM when you have a view of where the nation should be headed, and your party is marching slavishly to the beats of different drummers (e.g. Murdoch press, coal and oil companies, mining companies, etc. etc.).
He would have made a rather better Labor PM (and he initially wanted to join the ALP, but their quota of multi-multi-millionaires was already filled), but even then his ideas would have made some of them uncomfortable and oppositional.
dv said:
Scott Morrison instructed Border Force to reveal election day asylum boat arrivalOne of Scott Morrison’s final acts as Prime Minister was to instruct the Australian Border Force (ABF) to publicise an interception of a suspected asylum seeker boat on election day.
As voters were going to the polls on Saturday, the Operation Sovereign Borders Commander issued a rare statement announcing a “vessel has been intercepted in a likely attempt to illegally enter Australia from Sri Lanka”.
The ABC can reveal that the highly controversial move during the election caretaker period followed a direct request from the Prime Minister’s Office to publicly release details of the sensitive ABF operation before it had been completed.
About the same time as the prime minister spoke, the statement from Rear Admiral Justin Jones, the Operation Sovereign Borders Commander, appeared on the ABF’s website, warning that the Australian government’s policy on illegal boat arrivals “remains unchanged”.
The unusual disclosure of operational “on water matters” is now subject to an inquiry by Home Affairs Department Secretary Mike Pezzullo, ordered this week by the new Labor government.
Officials with knowledge of the events that occurred on Saturday say the Department of Home Affairs first examined the legality of issuing a statement during an election campaign because of concerns it could breach caretaker conventions and politicise the public service.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-27/scott-morrison-instructed-border-force-election-day-boat/101101464
No surprises in that Scomo was capable of throwing everything out of the window to stay in the not his job.
roughbarked said:
dv said:
Scott Morrison instructed Border Force to reveal election day asylum boat arrival
concerns it could breach caretaker conventions and politicise the public service.
No surprises in that Scomo was capable of throwing everything
out of the windowoverboard to stay in the not his job.
language corrected
but “concerns it could” eh
dv said:
Seems like Antony has run out of fucks
What’s wrong with free speech¿
Hopefully The Nationals decide on a new leader.
dv said:
Scott Morrison instructed Border Force to reveal election day asylum boat arrivalOne of Scott Morrison’s final acts as Prime Minister was to instruct the Australian Border Force (ABF) to publicise an interception of a suspected asylum seeker boat on election day.
As voters were going to the polls on Saturday, the Operation Sovereign Borders Commander issued a rare statement announcing a “vessel has been intercepted in a likely attempt to illegally enter Australia from Sri Lanka”.
The ABC can reveal that the highly controversial move during the election caretaker period followed a direct request from the Prime Minister’s Office to publicly release details of the sensitive ABF operation before it had been completed.
About the same time as the prime minister spoke, the statement from Rear Admiral Justin Jones, the Operation Sovereign Borders Commander, appeared on the ABF’s website, warning that the Australian government’s policy on illegal boat arrivals “remains unchanged”.
The unusual disclosure of operational “on water matters” is now subject to an inquiry by Home Affairs Department Secretary Mike Pezzullo, ordered this week by the new Labor government.
Officials with knowledge of the events that occurred on Saturday say the Department of Home Affairs first examined the legality of issuing a statement during an election campaign because of concerns it could breach caretaker conventions and politicise the public service.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-27/scott-morrison-instructed-border-force-election-day-boat/101101464
I think there is little doubt that it did politicize the public service.
dv said:
Scott Morrison instructed Border Force to reveal election day asylum boat arrivalOne of Scott Morrison’s final acts as Prime Minister was to instruct the Australian Border Force (ABF) to publicise an interception of a suspected asylum seeker boat on election day.
As voters were going to the polls on Saturday, the Operation Sovereign Borders Commander issued a rare statement announcing a “vessel has been intercepted in a likely attempt to illegally enter Australia from Sri Lanka”.
The ABC can reveal that the highly controversial move during the election caretaker period followed a direct request from the Prime Minister’s Office to publicly release details of the sensitive ABF operation before it had been completed.
About the same time as the prime minister spoke, the statement from Rear Admiral Justin Jones, the Operation Sovereign Borders Commander, appeared on the ABF’s website, warning that the Australian government’s policy on illegal boat arrivals “remains unchanged”.
The unusual disclosure of operational “on water matters” is now subject to an inquiry by Home Affairs Department Secretary Mike Pezzullo, ordered this week by the new Labor government.
Officials with knowledge of the events that occurred on Saturday say the Department of Home Affairs first examined the legality of issuing a statement during an election campaign because of concerns it could breach caretaker conventions and politicise the public service.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-27/scott-morrison-instructed-border-force-election-day-boat/101101464
Good.
Don’t know if anyone has posted this before, but, from my occasional viewing of Sky in the run-up to the election, i can attest that it’s spot on:
https://theshot.net.au/general-news/i-watched-all-of-sky-after-darks-election-coverage-and-have-some-fucking-concerns/
Sample:
‘According to Sky, Climate 200 works for Labor, which is concerning because if Labor wins they will work for Climate 200. Allegedly, both groups are in a ‘cabal’ with Channel 9 and the ABC, a cabal which works for the Greens who are in cahoots with the World Economic Forum and the families of George Bush Snr and Jr who set up the ‘New World Order’ to enforce communism on the world. All of this linked to both Daniel Andrews and Anthony Albanese, and somehow connects with Hunter Biden’s laptop (I fucking wish I was making any of that up). With complex webs of derangement like this, it felt like the channel wanted to begin work on an Aussie reboot of the January 6th riot.’
captain_spalding said:
Don’t know if anyone has posted this before, but, from my occasional viewing of Sky in the run-up to the election, i can attest that it’s spot on:https://theshot.net.au/general-news/i-watched-all-of-sky-after-darks-election-coverage-and-have-some-fucking-concerns/
Sample:
‘According to Sky, Climate 200 works for Labor, which is concerning because if Labor wins they will work for Climate 200. Allegedly, both groups are in a ‘cabal’ with Channel 9 and the ABC, a cabal which works for the Greens who are in cahoots with the World Economic Forum and the families of George Bush Snr and Jr who set up the ‘New World Order’ to enforce communism on the world. All of this linked to both Daniel Andrews and Anthony Albanese, and somehow connects with Hunter Biden’s laptop (I fucking wish I was making any of that up). With complex webs of derangement like this, it felt like the channel wanted to begin work on an Aussie reboot of the January 6th riot.’
I did. I post quite a bit from The Shot.
Boris said:
captain_spalding said:
Don’t know if anyone has posted this before, but, from my occasional viewing of Sky in the run-up to the election, i can attest that it’s spot on:https://theshot.net.au/general-news/i-watched-all-of-sky-after-darks-election-coverage-and-have-some-fucking-concerns/
Sample:
‘According to Sky, Climate 200 works for Labor, which is concerning because if Labor wins they will work for Climate 200. Allegedly, both groups are in a ‘cabal’ with Channel 9 and the ABC, a cabal which works for the Greens who are in cahoots with the World Economic Forum and the families of George Bush Snr and Jr who set up the ‘New World Order’ to enforce communism on the world. All of this linked to both Daniel Andrews and Anthony Albanese, and somehow connects with Hunter Biden’s laptop (I fucking wish I was making any of that up). With complex webs of derangement like this, it felt like the channel wanted to begin work on an Aussie reboot of the January 6th riot.’
I did. I post quite a bit from The Shot.
Ta. I must have missed your post.
captain_spalding said:
Don’t know if anyone has posted this before, but, from my occasional viewing of Sky in the run-up to the election, i can attest that it’s spot on:https://theshot.net.au/general-news/i-watched-all-of-sky-after-darks-election-coverage-and-have-some-fucking-concerns/
Sample:
‘According to Sky, Climate 200 works for Labor, which is concerning because if Labor wins they will work for Climate 200. Allegedly, both groups are in a ‘cabal’ with Channel 9 and the ABC, a cabal which works for the Greens who are in cahoots with the World Economic Forum and the families of George Bush Snr and Jr who set up the ‘New World Order’ to enforce communism on the world. All of this linked to both Daniel Andrews and Anthony Albanese, and somehow connects with Hunter Biden’s laptop (I fucking wish I was making any of that up). With complex webs of derangement like this, it felt like the channel wanted to begin work on an Aussie reboot of the January 6th riot.’
My (elderly) father watches Sky, and I get snippets of it when visiting. Last night they were discussing the success of the teal candidates and the stretches in logic they were making to downplay their validity and literally patronising opinions were disturbing.
Antony Green seems to think the Covid-19 EAVs will be favourable to the Greens.
I see the close seats are very close. Deakin is interesting. Michael Sukkar was assistant treasurer.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-27/federal-election-latest-results-which-seats-are-still-in-doubt/101104228
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-27/biloela-tamil-family-nadesalingam-federal-government-visa/101098760
https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/federal-election/the-teal-independents-could-easily-fail-to-win-a-single-seat-on-saturday-and-with-good-reason/news-story/cc13276bc9e64c04ef7ad178031656cc
The Teal independents could easily fail to win a single seat on Saturday – and with good reason
For all the millions of dollars ploughed into this campaign by billionaire heir Simon Holmes a Court and other wealthy donors, the Teals may not actually win a single seat.
Joe Hildebrand
SkyNews.com.au
Contributor
dv said:
https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/federal-election/the-teal-independents-could-easily-fail-to-win-a-single-seat-on-saturday-and-with-good-reason/news-story/cc13276bc9e64c04ef7ad178031656ccThe Teal independents could easily fail to win a single seat on Saturday – and with good reason
For all the millions of dollars ploughed into this campaign by billionaire heir Simon Holmes a Court and other wealthy donors, the Teals may not actually win a single seat.
Joe Hildebrand
SkyNews.com.au
Contributor
We all make mistakes :)
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/federal-election/the-teal-independents-could-easily-fail-to-win-a-single-seat-on-saturday-and-with-good-reason/news-story/cc13276bc9e64c04ef7ad178031656ccThe Teal independents could easily fail to win a single seat on Saturday – and with good reason
For all the millions of dollars ploughed into this campaign by billionaire heir Simon Holmes a Court and other wealthy donors, the Teals may not actually win a single seat.
Joe Hildebrand
SkyNews.com.au
ContributorWe all make mistakes :)
his parents did that’s for sure.
Boris said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/federal-election/the-teal-independents-could-easily-fail-to-win-a-single-seat-on-saturday-and-with-good-reason/news-story/cc13276bc9e64c04ef7ad178031656ccThe Teal independents could easily fail to win a single seat on Saturday – and with good reason
For all the millions of dollars ploughed into this campaign by billionaire heir Simon Holmes a Court and other wealthy donors, the Teals may not actually win a single seat.
Joe Hildebrand
SkyNews.com.au
ContributorWe all make mistakes :)
his parents did that’s for sure.
Well I don’t know. A quick read of Binge results suggests he has a long way to go before reaching Bolt or Credlin status.
(But I didn’t actually open any of the links, so that may be misleading).
captain_spalding said:
Don’t know if anyone has posted this before, but, from my occasional viewing of Sky in the run-up to the election, i can attest that it’s spot on:https://theshot.net.au/general-news/i-watched-all-of-sky-after-darks-election-coverage-and-have-some-fucking-concerns/
Sample:
‘According to Sky, Climate 200 works for Labor, which is concerning because if Labor wins they will work for Climate 200. Allegedly, both groups are in a ‘cabal’ with Channel 9 and the ABC, a cabal which works for the Greens who are in cahoots with the World Economic Forum and the families of George Bush Snr and Jr who set up the ‘New World Order’ to enforce communism on the world. All of this linked to both Daniel Andrews and Anthony Albanese, and somehow connects with Hunter Biden’s laptop (I fucking wish I was making any of that up). With complex webs of derangement like this, it felt like the channel wanted to begin work on an Aussie reboot of the January 6th riot.’
What’s this new world order they speak of with Communists in America and Nazi’s in Russia?
dv said:
https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/federal-election/the-teal-independents-could-easily-fail-to-win-a-single-seat-on-saturday-and-with-good-reason/news-story/cc13276bc9e64c04ef7ad178031656ccThe Teal independents could easily fail to win a single seat on Saturday – and with good reason
For all the millions of dollars ploughed into this campaign by billionaire heir Simon Holmes a Court and other wealthy donors, the Teals may not actually win a single seat.
Joe Hildebrand
SkyNews.com.au
Contributor
What was the good reason?
Dark Orange said:
dv said:
https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/federal-election/the-teal-independents-could-easily-fail-to-win-a-single-seat-on-saturday-and-with-good-reason/news-story/cc13276bc9e64c04ef7ad178031656ccThe Teal independents could easily fail to win a single seat on Saturday – and with good reason
For all the millions of dollars ploughed into this campaign by billionaire heir Simon Holmes a Court and other wealthy donors, the Teals may not actually win a single seat.
Joe Hildebrand
SkyNews.com.au
ContributorWhat was the good reason?
Because Rupert wasn’t keen on them winning?
Boris said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/federal-election/the-teal-independents-could-easily-fail-to-win-a-single-seat-on-saturday-and-with-good-reason/news-story/cc13276bc9e64c04ef7ad178031656ccThe Teal independents could easily fail to win a single seat on Saturday – and with good reason
For all the millions of dollars ploughed into this campaign by billionaire heir Simon Holmes a Court and other wealthy donors, the Teals may not actually win a single seat.
Joe Hildebrand
SkyNews.com.au
ContributorWe all make mistakes :)
his parents did that’s for sure.
I know his father. Folkie musician. Rather left leaning. Was an American draft dodger back in the day. I don’t know what he thinks about Joe these days.
Pretty easy to tell Joe is Greg’s child.
Seems Chester is going to challenge Barnaby.
“Public scrutiny of taxpayer-funded travel allowances usage by MPs has embroiled Chester in controversy. The Sydney Morning Herald revealed that between 2008 and 2016, Chester charged taxpayers $407,000 on private air charters to travel to Canberra for parliamentary sittings, despite most MPs using normal commercial air services or driving. On 27 January 2016, Chester charged taxpayers $876 for a work trip to Melbourne on which he completed the purchase of a two-bedroom apartment in Ivanhoe as an investment property and to later attended a Melbourne Victory soccer match.”
Surely there is someone in the Nats not tarnished by an expenses or corruption scandal.
dv said:
Seems Chester is going to challenge Barnaby.“Public scrutiny of taxpayer-funded travel allowances usage by MPs has embroiled Chester in controversy. The Sydney Morning Herald revealed that between 2008 and 2016, Chester charged taxpayers $407,000 on private air charters to travel to Canberra for parliamentary sittings, despite most MPs using normal commercial air services or driving. On 27 January 2016, Chester charged taxpayers $876 for a work trip to Melbourne on which he completed the purchase of a two-bedroom apartment in Ivanhoe as an investment property and to later attended a Melbourne Victory soccer match.”
Surely there is someone in the Nats not tarnished by an expenses or corruption scandal.
It probably depends what your default state of “normal” behaviour is. Perhaps they are all “normal”.
dv said:
Seems Chester is going to challenge Barnaby.“Public scrutiny of taxpayer-funded travel allowances usage by MPs has embroiled Chester in controversy. The Sydney Morning Herald revealed that between 2008 and 2016, Chester charged taxpayers $407,000 on private air charters to travel to Canberra for parliamentary sittings, despite most MPs using normal commercial air services or driving. On 27 January 2016, Chester charged taxpayers $876 for a work trip to Melbourne on which he completed the purchase of a two-bedroom apartment in Ivanhoe as an investment property and to later attended a Melbourne Victory soccer match.”
Surely there is someone in the Nats not tarnished by an expenses or corruption scandal.
Tim Fischer? I mean, he’s dead and all, but would he count?
Other than him, i doubt it
I wonder if the labs have a speaker of Tony Smith’s calibre, be interesting to see who gets the gong.
Peak Warming Man said:
I wonder if the labs have a speaker of Tony Smith’s calibre, be interesting to see who gets the gong.
Never heard or heard of him.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
Seems Chester is going to challenge Barnaby.“Public scrutiny of taxpayer-funded travel allowances usage by MPs has embroiled Chester in controversy. The Sydney Morning Herald revealed that between 2008 and 2016, Chester charged taxpayers $407,000 on private air charters to travel to Canberra for parliamentary sittings, despite most MPs using normal commercial air services or driving. On 27 January 2016, Chester charged taxpayers $876 for a work trip to Melbourne on which he completed the purchase of a two-bedroom apartment in Ivanhoe as an investment property and to later attended a Melbourne Victory soccer match.”
Surely there is someone in the Nats not tarnished by an expenses or corruption scandal.
Tim Fischer? I mean, he’s dead and all, but would he count?
Other than him, i doubt it
Near as I can tell, Damian Drum is a cleanskin. Total dickhead of course but nothing illegal that I know of.
So there’s one.
Peak Warming Man said:
I wonder if the labs have a speaker of Tony Smith’s calibre, be interesting to see who gets the gong.
They might as well keep him there.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Peak Warming Man said:
I wonder if the labs have a speaker of Tony Smith’s calibre, be interesting to see who gets the gong.
Never heard or heard of him.
He was speaker for like 6 years up until last year, took over from Bron and was a breath of fresh air let me tell you.
Peak Warming Man said:
I wonder if the labs have a speaker of Tony Smith’s calibre, be interesting to see who gets the gong.
probs one of the independents
diddly-squat said:
Peak Warming Man said:
I wonder if the labs have a speaker of Tony Smith’s calibre, be interesting to see who gets the gong.
probs one of the independents
Maybe Katter.. ;)
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Peak Warming Man said:
I wonder if the labs have a speaker of Tony Smith’s calibre, be interesting to see who gets the gong.
Never heard or heard of him.
He was speaker for like 6 years up until last year, took over from Bron and was a breath of fresh air let me tell you.
Maybe if ALP ends up with a minority government they can make BobKat the speaker just to keep him out of trouble.
diddly-squat said:
diddly-squat said:
Peak Warming Man said:
I wonder if the labs have a speaker of Tony Smith’s calibre, be interesting to see who gets the gong.
probs one of the independents
Maybe Katter.. ;)
beat me by 10 seconds
>Peter Dutton pledges to make Liberal party a ‘broad church’
“If that means I have to start being nice to darkies, sheilas and poofs, so be it.”
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Peak Warming Man said:
I wonder if the labs have a speaker of Tony Smith’s calibre, be interesting to see who gets the gong.
Never heard or heard of him.
He was speaker for like 6 years up until last year, took over from Bron and was a breath of fresh air let me tell you.
Oh, that Tony Smith.
diddly-squat said:
Peak Warming Man said:
I wonder if the labs have a speaker of Tony Smith’s calibre, be interesting to see who gets the gong.
probs one of the independents
Mr buffy and I talked about this the other day. But I just looked it up and the Speaker generally has to have a reasonable amount of parliamentary experience.
I thought it was really poor form of Plibersek to name call Dutton and I’m glad the PM called her out on it.
Maybe we’ll get a more civil discourse in Parliament with this mob in charge..
buffy said:
diddly-squat said:
Peak Warming Man said:
I wonder if the labs have a speaker of Tony Smith’s calibre, be interesting to see who gets the gong.
probs one of the independents
Mr buffy and I talked about this the other day. But I just looked it up and the Speaker generally has to have a reasonable amount of parliamentary experience.
So that’s three votes for Katter.
diddly-squat said:
I thought it was really poor form of Plibersek to name call Dutton and I’m glad the PM called her out on it.
Maybe we’ll get a more civil discourse in Parliament with this mob in charge..
Harry Potter And The Adults Who Really Need More Up To Date Cultural References
Bubblecar said:
>Peter Dutton pledges to make Liberal party a ‘broad church’“If that means I have to start being nice to darkies, sheilas and poofs, so be it.”
giggle
dv said:
buffy said:
diddly-squat said:probs one of the independents
Mr buffy and I talked about this the other day. But I just looked it up and the Speaker generally has to have a reasonable amount of parliamentary experience.
So that’s three votes for Katter.
He’d be terrible. However, Mr buffy just suggested Zali Stegall has the smarts for that sort of job. She’s legally trained (barrister) and has a term as a politician under her belt.
buffy said:
dv said:
buffy said:Mr buffy and I talked about this the other day. But I just looked it up and the Speaker generally has to have a reasonable amount of parliamentary experience.
So that’s three votes for Katter.
He’d be terrible. However, Mr buffy just suggested Zali Stegall has the smarts for that sort of job. She’s legally trained (barrister) and has a term as a politician under her belt.
There’s always Wilkie I suppose who now has 12 years in parliament.
buffy said:
dv said:
buffy said:Mr buffy and I talked about this the other day. But I just looked it up and the Speaker generally has to have a reasonable amount of parliamentary experience.
So that’s three votes for Katter.
He’d be terrible. However, Mr buffy just suggested Zali Stegall has the smarts for that sort of job. She’s legally trained (barrister) and has a term as a politician under her belt.
I like that.. although I’m not sure any of the Indis would want to forefit their vote on the floor
diddly-squat said:
buffy said:
dv said:So that’s three votes for Katter.
He’d be terrible. However, Mr buffy just suggested Zali Stegall has the smarts for that sort of job. She’s legally trained (barrister) and has a term as a politician under her belt.
I like that.. although I’m not sure any of the Indis would want to forefit their vote on the floor
The Speaker has the casting vote, I think.
Ian said:
Heh.
dv said:
Exactly.
Anyway I can’t see him sustaining a Mr Nice Guy facade, any more than Tony Abbott could.
Mind you I couldn’t even give a shit about persona or image. Barry Jones stayed grumbly, prickly and to most people unrelatable through his whole parliamentary career but to me all that mattered was his progressive policies. Dutton can spend millions on image consultants and it won’t matter a darn if his politics are still caveman.
dv said:
That link is not working, I’ve clicked on it for like eva, nothing.
Bubblecar said:
Ian said:
Heh.
He’s got more history than that to wipe.
dv said:
Mind you I couldn’t even give a shit about persona or image. Barry Jones stayed grumbly, prickly and to most people unrelatable through his whole parliamentary career but to me all that mattered was his progressive policies. Dutton can spend millions on image consultants and it won’t matter a darn if his politics are still caveman.
barry jones had a reputation for reading mutiple books a days. dutton has a rumoured history of bashing aborginals.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
That link is not working, I’ve clicked on it for like eva, nothing.
Most amusing
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Mind you I couldn’t even give a shit about persona or image. Barry Jones stayed grumbly, prickly and to most people unrelatable through his whole parliamentary career but to me all that mattered was his progressive policies. Dutton can spend millions on image consultants and it won’t matter a darn if his politics are still caveman.
barry jones had a reputation for reading mutiple books a days. dutton has a rumoured history of bashing aborginals.
Dutton is an arsehole.
He made it to the arsehole list several times over.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/murugappan-family-allowed-to-return-to-biloela-20220527-p5ap0z.html
dv said:
Mind you I couldn’t even give a shit about persona or image. Barry Jones stayed grumbly, prickly and to most people unrelatable through his whole parliamentary career but to me all that mattered was his progressive policies. Dutton can spend millions on image consultants and it won’t matter a darn if his politics are still caveman.
Barry Jones and I had long conversation over a milkshake, at a café in Armidale. I found him interesting and related to him well. Not at all prickly.
Michael V said:
dv said:
Mind you I couldn’t even give a shit about persona or image. Barry Jones stayed grumbly, prickly and to most people unrelatable through his whole parliamentary career but to me all that mattered was his progressive policies. Dutton can spend millions on image consultants and it won’t matter a darn if his politics are still caveman.
Barry Jones and I had long conversation over a milkshake, at a café in Armidale. I found him interesting and related to him well. Not at all prickly.
He’s the kind of guy who will be liked by people like us. :-)
dv said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
Mind you I couldn’t even give a shit about persona or image. Barry Jones stayed grumbly, prickly and to most people unrelatable through his whole parliamentary career but to me all that mattered was his progressive policies. Dutton can spend millions on image consultants and it won’t matter a darn if his politics are still caveman.
Barry Jones and I had long conversation over a milkshake, at a café in Armidale. I found him interesting and related to him well. Not at all prickly.
He’s the kind of guy who will be liked by people like us. :-)
I liked him.
dv said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
Mind you I couldn’t even give a shit about persona or image. Barry Jones stayed grumbly, prickly and to most people unrelatable through his whole parliamentary career but to me all that mattered was his progressive policies. Dutton can spend millions on image consultants and it won’t matter a darn if his politics are still caveman.
Barry Jones and I had long conversation over a milkshake, at a café in Armidale. I found him interesting and related to him well. Not at all prickly.
He’s the kind of guy who will be liked by people like us. :-)
I also like like meatballs and spaghetti.
dv said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
Mind you I couldn’t even give a shit about persona or image. Barry Jones stayed grumbly, prickly and to most people unrelatable through his whole parliamentary career but to me all that mattered was his progressive policies. Dutton can spend millions on image consultants and it won’t matter a darn if his politics are still caveman.
Barry Jones and I had long conversation over a milkshake, at a café in Armidale. I found him interesting and related to him well. Not at all prickly.
He’s the kind of guy who will be liked by people like us. :-)
Ha!
:)
Michael V said:
dv said:
Michael V said:Barry Jones and I had long conversation over a milkshake, at a café in Armidale. I found him interesting and related to him well. Not at all prickly.
He’s the kind of guy who will be liked by people like us. :-)
Ha!
:)
Don’t forget that they’re all trained to be likable like that. Things like always focussing on you rather than looking around the room. and trying to relate to you by talking about what they were before being in politics; such as “I spent a lot of time in the nursing branch of medicine, so I’m not really a politician I’m a nurse”.
Heard that one a few times.
Spiny Norman said:
Michael V said:
dv said:He’s the kind of guy who will be liked by people like us. :-)
Ha!
:)
Don’t forget that they’re all trained to be likable like that. Things like always focussing on you rather than looking around the room. and trying to relate to you by talking about what they were before being in politics; such as “I spent a lot of time in the nursing branch of medicine, so I’m not really a politician I’m a nurse”.
Heard that one a few times.
Can’t really see Barry Jones a s a product of PR training :)
He’s an original.
Bubblecar said:
Spiny Norman said:
Michael V said:Ha!
:)
Don’t forget that they’re all trained to be likable like that. Things like always focussing on you rather than looking around the room. and trying to relate to you by talking about what they were before being in politics; such as “I spent a lot of time in the nursing branch of medicine, so I’m not really a politician I’m a nurse”.
Heard that one a few times.
Can’t really see Barry Jones a s a product of PR training :)
He’s an original.
He’s on the National Trust’s list of Australian Living Treasures.
And he’s ninety this year, didn’t realise he was so antique.
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:
Spiny Norman said:Don’t forget that they’re all trained to be likable like that. Things like always focussing on you rather than looking around the room. and trying to relate to you by talking about what they were before being in politics; such as “I spent a lot of time in the nursing branch of medicine, so I’m not really a politician I’m a nurse”.
Heard that one a few times.
Can’t really see Barry Jones a s a product of PR training :)
He’s an original.
He’s on the National Trust’s list of Australian Living Treasures.
And he’s ninety this year, didn’t realise he was so antique.
They get old while you’re not looking.
Of the 21 LNP members elected this time, 17 will nominally be Libs and 4 Nats.
The extent to which the Liberal party is now dependent on Queensland is quite astonishing. This is how their seats break down by state/terr (assuming they do indeed win Gilmore and Deakin).
NSW 10
Vic 8
Qld 17
WA 5
SA 3
Tas 2
ACT 0
NT 0
They have 45 seats and 38% of them are in a state that makes up 19% of the seats in the House.
dv said:
Of the 21 LNP members elected this time, 17 will nominally be Libs and 4 Nats.The extent to which the Liberal party is now dependent on Queensland is quite astonishing. This is how their seats break down by state/terr (assuming they do indeed win Gilmore and Deakin).
NSW 10
Vic 8
Qld 17
WA 5
SA 3
Tas 2
ACT 0
NT 0They have 45 seats and 38% of them are in a state that makes up 19% of the seats in the House.
Clearly Qld should be granted independence, then all the LNP voters can move there.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Of the 21 LNP members elected this time, 17 will nominally be Libs and 4 Nats.The extent to which the Liberal party is now dependent on Queensland is quite astonishing. This is how their seats break down by state/terr (assuming they do indeed win Gilmore and Deakin).
NSW 10
Vic 8
Qld 17
WA 5
SA 3
Tas 2
ACT 0
NT 0They have 45 seats and 38% of them are in a state that makes up 19% of the seats in the House.
Clearly Qld should be granted independence, then all the LNP voters can move there.
You’re cruel.
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:Can’t really see Barry Jones a s a product of PR training :)
He’s an original.
He’s on the National Trust’s list of Australian Living Treasures.
And he’s ninety this year, didn’t realise he was so antique.
They get old while you’re not looking.
I got old whilst I wasn’t looking, too.
Spiny Norman said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Of the 21 LNP members elected this time, 17 will nominally be Libs and 4 Nats.The extent to which the Liberal party is now dependent on Queensland is quite astonishing. This is how their seats break down by state/terr (assuming they do indeed win Gilmore and Deakin).
NSW 10
Vic 8
Qld 17
WA 5
SA 3
Tas 2
ACT 0
NT 0They have 45 seats and 38% of them are in a state that makes up 19% of the seats in the House.
Clearly Qld should be granted independence, then all the LNP voters can move there.
You’re cruel.
After that, Queensland will be swapped with WA, so they are further away.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Of the 21 LNP members elected this time, 17 will nominally be Libs and 4 Nats.The extent to which the Liberal party is now dependent on Queensland is quite astonishing. This is how their seats break down by state/terr (assuming they do indeed win Gilmore and Deakin).
NSW 10
Vic 8
Qld 17
WA 5
SA 3
Tas 2
ACT 0
NT 0They have 45 seats and 38% of them are in a state that makes up 19% of the seats in the House.
Clearly Qld should be granted independence, then all the LNP voters can move there.
Noooooo!
Bubblecar said:
Spiny Norman said:
Michael V said:Ha!
:)
Don’t forget that they’re all trained to be likable like that. Things like always focussing on you rather than looking around the room. and trying to relate to you by talking about what they were before being in politics; such as “I spent a lot of time in the nursing branch of medicine, so I’m not really a politician I’m a nurse”.
Heard that one a few times.
Can’t really see Barry Jones a s a product of PR training :)
He’s an original.
Stick Dutton on Pick-A-Box and see how long he lasts.
roughbarked said:
dv said:
Michael V said:Barry Jones and I had long conversation over a milkshake, at a café in Armidale. I found him interesting and related to him well. Not at all prickly.
He’s the kind of guy who will be liked by people like us. :-)
I liked him.
He opened one of our conferences once. I had high hopes…but he must have had a bad day. He was, basically, boring. And not properly briefed on what optometrists do.
Michael V said:
dv said:
Mind you I couldn’t even give a shit about persona or image. Barry Jones stayed grumbly, prickly and to most people unrelatable through his whole parliamentary career but to me all that mattered was his progressive policies. Dutton can spend millions on image consultants and it won’t matter a darn if his politics are still caveman.
Barry Jones and I had long conversation over a milkshake, at a café in Armidale. I found him interesting and related to him well. Not at all prickly.
A meeting of minds :)
Ian said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
Mind you I couldn’t even give a shit about persona or image. Barry Jones stayed grumbly, prickly and to most people unrelatable through his whole parliamentary career but to me all that mattered was his progressive policies. Dutton can spend millions on image consultants and it won’t matter a darn if his politics are still caveman.
Barry Jones and I had long conversation over a milkshake, at a café in Armidale. I found him interesting and related to him well. Not at all prickly.
A meeting
of mindsthe big and beardy :)
Better
Tau.Neutrino said:
Spiny Norman said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Clearly Qld should be granted independence, then all the LNP voters can move there.
You’re cruel.
After that, Queensland will be swapped with WA, so they are further away.
WA has just replaced it’s hard border with a moat. All our LNP voters will be deported over it, then we will secede.
Kingy said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Spiny Norman said:You’re cruel.
After that, Queensland will be swapped with WA, so they are further away.
WA has just replaced it’s hard border with a moat. All our LNP voters will be deported over it, then we will secede.
Did you get the contract?
buffy said:
Kingy said:
Tau.Neutrino said:After that, Queensland will be swapped with WA, so they are further away.
WA has just replaced it’s hard border with a moat. All our LNP voters will be deported over it, then we will secede.
Did you get the contract?
I didn’t win the quote, apparently digging a ~2000km trench with a bobcat would take too long.
Kingy said:
buffy said:
Kingy said:WA has just replaced it’s hard border with a moat. All our LNP voters will be deported over it, then we will secede.
Did you get the contract?
I didn’t win the quote, apparently digging a ~2000km trench with a bobcat would take too long.
Wouldn’t that be a candidate for horizontal boring?
Ian said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
Mind you I couldn’t even give a shit about persona or image. Barry Jones stayed grumbly, prickly and to most people unrelatable through his whole parliamentary career but to me all that mattered was his progressive policies. Dutton can spend millions on image consultants and it won’t matter a darn if his politics are still caveman.
Barry Jones and I had long conversation over a milkshake, at a café in Armidale. I found him interesting and related to him well. Not at all prickly.
A meeting of minds :)
I think his was a fair bit better than mine.
Ah well.
Ian said:
Ian said:
Michael V said:Barry Jones and I had long conversation over a milkshake, at a café in Armidale. I found him interesting and related to him well. Not at all prickly.
A meeting
of mindsthe big and beardy :)Better
:)
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:
Spiny Norman said:Don’t forget that they’re all trained to be likable like that. Things like always focussing on you rather than looking around the room. and trying to relate to you by talking about what they were before being in politics; such as “I spent a lot of time in the nursing branch of medicine, so I’m not really a politician I’m a nurse”.
Heard that one a few times.
Can’t really see Barry Jones a s a product of PR training :)
He’s an original.
He’s on the National Trust’s list of Australian Living Treasures.
And he’s ninety this year, didn’t realise he was so antique.
I remember him on pickabox.
Kingy said:
buffy said:
Kingy said:WA has just replaced it’s hard border with a moat. All our LNP voters will be deported over it, then we will secede.
Did you get the contract?
I didn’t win the quote, apparently digging a ~2000km trench with a bobcat would take too long.
The LNP-proof trench.
Hmmm, there was a bit of a push to get Eric Abetz through a below the line campaign. It appears he has about 4% of the vote which won’t be enough to get him in.
dv said:
Hmmm, there was a bit of a push to get Eric Abetz through a below the line campaign. It appears he has about 4% of the vote which won’t be enough to get him in.
Erica Betts – too bad, so sad.
dv said:
Hmmm, there was a bit of a push to get Eric Abetz through a below the line campaign. It appears he has about 4% of the vote which won’t be enough to get him in.
I dont think anyone believed he could do it. There was not the usual campaign to mark him last on the ballot. But I did nonetheless.
insert Farnsworth meme template “Good News, Everyone” /insert
AEC has released the 3 candidate pref counts for Brisbane and Macnamara. Brisbane is probably complete enough (84%) to be conclusive, and it indicates that ALP will be eliminated and thus that the Greens will pick up yet another seat as they have a 600 vote lead.
Macnamara is only 48% done but … I guess it suggests that ALP is far enough in front to be comfortable?
https://www.aec.gov.au/news/results-3cp.htm
Meanwhile I’m happy Gilmore is looking somewhat better for the ALP, the margin going from 286 to 253 since yesterday.
Requiem for a lost country
by Ronni Salt
Scott Morrison is gone. Although he isn’t dead, something is gone all the same.
He’s alive, but he is gone. Gone from our television screens. Gone to pack the barbecued barramundi lifestyle of Kirribilli House he lived in at our expense. Gone from our news cycle. Gone from the front pages of his fawning tabloids. Gone from our mouths.
Gone from the Australian government. Gone from the Prime Minister’s plane that will never carry his swindling, lying, masquerading bulk again. Gone from our conscience. Gone from our lives, from our daily grind. Gone from our souls. Gone.
A greater fraud and malcontent never disgraced the mantle of Prime Minister. That he was disliked throughout Australia goes without saying. That he was despised as well is truly extraordinary.
If the last three years of our lives here in the lucky country had been a movie, last Saturday’s election is where the credits rolled in, an adagio piano arrangement playing as the protagonist holds their hands aloft, finally achieving their glory. And fade – end scene.
But that would ignore the movie’s story.
We’ve left out the part where a Tamil family sleeps soundly in a weatherboard house in Biloela. Sleeping children, a father preparing for work. Our camera closes in on dark uniforms. They bang on the door, enter the house. There are cries, confusion. Border force drags the family away in the dawn before the sun rises. I have left out the dramatic music because it wasn’t there. Just a silent empty house and a plume of forgotten dust.
From there the camera lifts above the Queensland landscape, moving swiftly above nodding umbrella grass, touching the edges of a road sign: Welcome to Canberra, The National Capital. Within the boomerang of Federal parliament, the halls bulge with loud whispers, earnest faces. Scott Morrison sits alone in an office while outside a Prime Minister is rolled. Morrison rises to face a press conference, ego and malice clenched firmly in hand.
The story sweeps inland to a home on the outskirts of Dubbo, where a mother of three starts her car for the fourth time that morning. Yet another interview to attend about performing in interviews for jobs that don’t exist, in Dubbo or anywhere else. Later that night she opens a letter that tells her she, and her stay-at-home son in their $200 a week rental will need to pay the federal government $8,000 because a man on $450,000 a year in a rent-free house thought it was a matter for some other God, not his.
We watch them try to deny it at first, but nobody is listening. They save the extra dollars from where they can, but yet another debt letter rolls in. When the son can no longer see his life with no job and no debt, nobody sees the car leave the road at midnight because sometimes the road ahead becomes just too dark to see anymore.
I left out the sympathetic bystanders, because there weren’t any there.
We swoop across the eastern sea board and drop down to see the tabloid’s editors up at midnight, drafting and rephrasing the latest drop straight off an email from the Prime Minister’s office onto their pages, because to publish it with any journalist’s context or analysis would mean certain death to their bottom line and who would advertise all the Harvey Norman sales then? The punters awake, read the daily news that God is in his heaven and Scott Morrison is the best leader in the land.
The cities turn black and the countryside turns red. Smoke clogs lungs. The lens moves upwards to a smoke tornado that pulls across the bottom of the world and smothers the map of Australia. Families flee, koalas burn alive. A small boy in a Mallacoota sunset rides his boat across a blood orange sky. Scott Morrison silently boards a flight to Hawaii with his family and his hollow men, and of course they order free drinks, because whenever Morrison is involved, Australia always pays.
Back in Australia, a group of farmers shoot their cattle. A rural family is told their fire fighter son is never coming home. Scott Morrison relaxes and pours himself another beer on Waikiki.
If we were to add music, this would be the part where the strings begin. Perhaps a lone cello, mournful, because we need to set the right mood. Morrison was always about the mood.
From here the camera sweeps us between states and premiers, between empty streets, between people’s faces, first confused, then anxious. The leader Australians are looking for steps up to the microphone and tells Australians he is off to the footy. Fade out from the scene. Insert a dramatic pause because a sudden urgency has filled the world.
The face masks do not stop the hollow men though. The pandemic merely drags the movie into its dramatic centre where deserted cities are juxtaposed with lobbyists and mates. Inside the confines of the Prime Minister’s office, the camera lingers on his face. It is every man for himself at the pig trough. Money, money, money. But none for you. This is utopia for the capitalist class. Everybody has their ink-bombed hands out. Everything is for the taking, for there are no rules, no consequences in Morrisonland. In the end Mistah Kurtz, absolute power corrupts absolutely.
I am not in this movie because no woman is. The story was always about Scott Morrison’s world, where the men are rapists, or loud or angry and always, always at the front of the scene. The women of course, are invisible just the way Morrison likes them. The women don’t matter because they never mattered regardless of how many of them yell and scream and march because the scriptwriter for this movie is happy to sacrifice the unseen extras for a headline. All of it, every scene played out, is for the cameras.
Some of it we see, some of it is talked over by the midnight editors and journalists who decide for us what we should see and what we should not. Some of it cannot be wiped out because then the rains come and the floods come and the deaths come. And the government does not.
Nobody is there to help. No nation’s leader. Rudderless. A country all at sea with no captain. And still the tabloids tell us all what a wonderful man he is and how he saved a woman on a beach once and look at his lovely family as the cameras turn to his thumbs in the air.
The lead man in Morrisonland plays high viz in a large truck while 500 kms away ten lonely men stare out from upstairs hotel windows. We can pull the camera back from their faces, imprisoned in the glass and fade away because they are not important in Morrisonland. We can erase whoever we like from the story, just as Scott Morrison did in his entire Prime Ministership. All the world’s a stage in this broken jaw of our lost kingdoms.
And now he is gone.
The narrator tells us our story has ended. Morrison ends his scenes like the coward he always was, sending spam text messages to bewildered voters about a boat that was probably organised to create yet another fake moment of reality. Reality and make-believe merged in Morrisonland and in the end, none of us could tell the difference.
He saw himself out. And then he cried. He cried for the cameras trained upon him. Poor fellow my country. Weep not for my country, weep only for you. A self-serving narcissist to the final scene.
Yes, Scott Morrison is gone. Thank god he is gone. He achieved nothing. He gave us nothing. He left our nation the poorer for his stain upon it. A charlatan and a pitiless, second-rate actor, he will not be mourned. Nobody will mourn him. There is just a darkness in our country where he once used to be.
And a light now shining for what is.
“That he was disliked throughout Australia goes without saying.”
I think folks need to reflect on the fact that Morrison remained fairly popular. He was never underwater in the approval versus disapproval polls. It might seem weird to you or me but more than half the country was content with his performance. He wasn’t like Abbott, who got down to 24% approval before being shown the door.
dv said:
“That he was disliked throughout Australia goes without saying.”I think folks need to reflect on the fact that Morrison remained fairly popular. He was never underwater in the approval versus disapproval polls. It might seem weird to you or me but more than half the country was content with his performance. He wasn’t like Abbott, who got down to 24% approval before being shown the door.
I don’t agree. I think he was despised if the feelings in this household are anything to go by.
Boris said:
dv said:
“That he was disliked throughout Australia goes without saying.”I think folks need to reflect on the fact that Morrison remained fairly popular. He was never underwater in the approval versus disapproval polls. It might seem weird to you or me but more than half the country was content with his performance. He wasn’t like Abbott, who got down to 24% approval before being shown the door.
I don’t agree. I think he was despised if the feelings in this household are anything to go by.
Yeah, same in my household but (shrugs) not by the majority. Albo never got past him as preferred PM.
dv said:
Boris said:
dv said:
“That he was disliked throughout Australia goes without saying.”I think folks need to reflect on the fact that Morrison remained fairly popular. He was never underwater in the approval versus disapproval polls. It might seem weird to you or me but more than half the country was content with his performance. He wasn’t like Abbott, who got down to 24% approval before being shown the door.
I don’t agree. I think he was despised if the feelings in this household are anything to go by.
Yeah, same in my household but (shrugs) not by the majority. Albo never got past him as preferred PM.
My sister came around to hating him even though she reads the papers every day.
dv said:
Boris said:
dv said:
“That he was disliked throughout Australia goes without saying.”I think folks need to reflect on the fact that Morrison remained fairly popular. He was never underwater in the approval versus disapproval polls. It might seem weird to you or me but more than half the country was content with his performance. He wasn’t like Abbott, who got down to 24% approval before being shown the door.
I don’t agree. I think he was despised if the feelings in this household are anything to go by.
Yeah, same in my household but (shrugs) not by the majority. Albo never got past him as preferred PM.
Teah, but there is only me here. was a bit of a “joke”.
Boris said:
dv said:
Boris said:I don’t agree. I think he was despised if the feelings in this household are anything to go by.
Yeah, same in my household but (shrugs) not by the majority. Albo never got past him as preferred PM.
Teah, but there is only me here. was a bit of a “joke”.
I see.
Of the man who’ll become his opposite number, Mr Albanese said : “I have a much better relationship with Peter Dutton than I had with Scott Morrison.
“Peter Dutton has never broken a confidence that I’ve had with him.”
“I think it’s very important that the prime minister and the leader of the opposition are able to exchange ideas and information and get co-operation wherever it’s possible.
“I want to lead a government that gets things done for Australia. And I’ll have discussions with Peter Dutton directly if he becomes the leader of the opposition, as I will have discussions with members of the crossbench.”
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-27/election-anthony-albanese-stellar-first-week/101103400
Boris said:
dv said:
“That he was disliked throughout Australia goes without saying.”I think folks need to reflect on the fact that Morrison remained fairly popular. He was never underwater in the approval versus disapproval polls. It might seem weird to you or me but more than half the country was content with his performance. He wasn’t like Abbott, who got down to 24% approval before being shown the door.
I don’t agree. I think he was despised if the feelings in this household are anything to go by.
That he was eminently forgettable to the average punter and he was always distracting people from remembering his crimes against humanity. That Murdoch press was always pointing the finger a Labor.
dv said:
Of the man who’ll become his opposite number, Mr Albanese said : “I have a much better relationship with Peter Dutton than I had with Scott Morrison.“Peter Dutton has never broken a confidence that I’ve had with him.”
“I think it’s very important that the prime minister and the leader of the opposition are able to exchange ideas and information and get co-operation wherever it’s possible.
“I want to lead a government that gets things done for Australia. And I’ll have discussions with Peter Dutton directly if he becomes the leader of the opposition, as I will have discussions with members of the crossbench.”
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-27/election-anthony-albanese-stellar-first-week/101103400
Talk up the guy he knows is not popular with a large part of the population.
Smart move.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/may/27/after-playing-a-critical-role-in-getting-prime-minister-albo-elected-i-have-a-list-of-demands
dv said:
Of the man who’ll become his opposite number, Mr Albanese said : “I have a much better relationship with Peter Dutton than I had with Scott Morrison.“Peter Dutton has never broken a confidence that I’ve had with him.”
“I think it’s very important that the prime minister and the leader of the opposition are able to exchange ideas and information and get co-operation wherever it’s possible.
“I want to lead a government that gets things done for Australia. And I’ll have discussions with Peter Dutton directly if he becomes the leader of the opposition, as I will have discussions with members of the crossbench.”
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-27/election-anthony-albanese-stellar-first-week/101103400
albo’s a nice guy but…
Antony Green, who is a large part of the ABC’s election appeal, has admitted he was a bit cautious to call the result on the night as a result of the complexity of vote.
The ABC’s election analyst told the Age: “We probably should have said earlier on the night that the government couldn’t win.”
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/may/27/toto-albanese-steals-the-post-election-show-as-news-corp-front-pages-do-an-about-face
sarahs mum said:
Antony Green, who is a large part of the ABC’s election appeal, has admitted he was a bit cautious to call the result on the night as a result of the complexity of vote.The ABC’s election analyst told the Age: “We probably should have said earlier on the night that the government couldn’t win.”
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/may/27/toto-albanese-steals-the-post-election-show-as-news-corp-front-pages-do-an-about-face
I mean I thought he was pretty forthright.
Tom ballard watched the SKYnews election night broadcast. To watch the disappointment. I think it would still have just made me angry.
Australia Sticks Two Fingers To Rupert Murdoch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yjVDyP7ABY
sarahs mum said:
Tom ballard watched the SKYnews election night broadcast. To watch the disappointment. I think it would still have just made me angry.Australia Sticks Two Fingers To Rupert Murdoch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yjVDyP7ABY
Watching Tom Ballard makes me angry…
furious said:
sarahs mum said:
Tom ballard watched the SKYnews election night broadcast. To watch the disappointment. I think it would still have just made me angry.Australia Sticks Two Fingers To Rupert Murdoch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yjVDyP7ABYWatching Tom Ballard makes me angry…
Did you know he’s gay?
Witty Rejoinder said:
furious said:
sarahs mum said:
Tom ballard watched the SKYnews election night broadcast. To watch the disappointment. I think it would still have just made me angry.Australia Sticks Two Fingers To Rupert Murdoch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yjVDyP7ABYWatching Tom Ballard makes me angry…
Did you know he’s gay?
Yeah, he’s mentioned it once or twice…
Antony notes that although it is quite common for a party to win a seat from being 2nd on first prefs, it is somewhat rare for them to get there from 3rd place (which is where the Greens are starting in Brisbane). Last such instance was in 2010.
furious said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
furious said:Watching Tom Ballard makes me angry…
Did you know he’s gay?
Yeah, he’s mentioned it once or twice…
they’re as bad as vegans.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Of the man who’ll become his opposite number, Mr Albanese said : “I have a much better relationship with Peter Dutton than I had with Scott Morrison.
“Peter Dutton has never broken a confidence that I’ve had with him.”
“I think it’s very important that the prime minister and the leader of the opposition are able to exchange ideas and information and get co-operation wherever it’s possible.
“I want to lead a government that gets things done for Australia. And I’ll have discussions with Peter Dutton directly if he becomes the leader of the opposition, as I will have discussions with members of the crossbench.”
—-
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-27/election-anthony-albanese-stellar-first-week/101103400
albo’s a nice guy but…
depends on what ‘e’s confident about yeah
roughbarked said:
Boris said:
dv said:
“That he was disliked throughout Australia goes without saying.”I think folks need to reflect on the fact that Morrison remained fairly popular. He was never underwater in the approval versus disapproval polls. It might seem weird to you or me but more than half the country was content with his performance. He wasn’t like Abbott, who got down to 24% approval before being shown the door.
I don’t agree. I think he was despised if the feelings in this household are anything to go by.
That he was eminently forgettable to the average punter and he was always distracting people from remembering his crimes against humanity. That Murdoch press was always pointing the finger a Labor.
shrug being corrupt or not and being liked or not are different things
Boris said:
furious said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Did you know he’s gay?
Yeah, he’s mentioned it once or twice…
they’re as bad as vegans.
nope.
how quickly media windsocks change the direction they blow in eh
Boris said:
furious said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Did you know he’s gay?
Yeah, he’s mentioned it once or twice…
they’re as bad as vegans.
Wot? In that there are more and more of them every day?
From what Laura Tingle said.
“For the Coalition, there has been the unedifying spectacle of MPs and senators — both those who survived and those who did not — emerging to say that the problem was that voters didn’t understand their policies, or that they personally didn’t actually believe in the policies their government has pursued for almost a decade. Alternatively, they blithely proceeded to conduct day-to-day politics as if nothing notable had happened last Saturday.
It was hard not to draw the conclusion that the Liberals have learnt nothing from the election, continuing the sometimes idiotic mantras, with the same chutzpah, we have become accustomed to.”
NEWS
Interviews with more than a dozen senior Liberals show how Scott Morrison’s belief in his own ‘genius’ and self-image as a ‘master strategist’ cost the party government. By Rick Morton.
In the final campaign of his prime ministership, Scott Morrison picked some fights and ran from others. The order in which he was willing to do so – against transgender people first, and later the superannuation industry – says more about the man’s character than perhaps anything else he did in office.
It also explains a key strategic failure in the six-week election campaign, which has obliterated a generation of Liberal Party talent, evacuated Perth of any federal representation and nearly gutted Melbourne.
Morrison was happy to attack transgender kids in particular because they could not fight back. The $3.4 trillion superannuation industry, however, was a different matter.
Morrison gave himself only six days to sell what some believe could have been an election-winning policy on housing, allowing first home buyers to access their superannuation for a deposit.
The policy itself would not greatly affect the housing market, but it gave Morrison two of his sharpest lines: Labor wants to own your home and; Labor won’t let you spend your own money.
These lines could have run throughout the campaign, except Morrison was afraid to launch his policy sooner. He was worried about the money the super industry had to attack his party with advertising.
“The super-for-housing policy was a good one but they dropped it late, in the last week of the campaign, because Morrison was terrified of a multimillion TV campaign from the super funds,” one Liberal MP tells The Saturday Paper.
“Josh was onside but Morrison was scared of having the fight. I think we should have had the fight.”
There has been no official autopsy of the Liberal Party’s extraordinary collapse at the ballot box last Saturday, but more than a dozen current and former MPs, party officials and advisers who have spoken with The Saturday Paper in the wake of the bruising loss have reflected on a campaign so dense and so small-minded that an implosion was all but guaranteed.
“We spent a full fucking week being transphobes in parliament and then we spent weeks during the campaign doing the exact same thing, and it was fucking insane,” an MP says. “The transphobe thing was an absolute disaster. We clearly didn’t have enough economic policies. I think the strategy, such as it was, was to repeat the 2019 election campaign, but that was never going to be adequate for a few reasons.”
Chief among them was that Scott Morrison had become deeply unpopular in the eyes of the electorate. “I think it took people three years to realise what a horrible person he is,” a Liberal Party insider says.
In this respect, at least, there is only so much a campaign can do. Even so, usually leaders try to reverse perceptions. To the extent that Morrison publicly offered to change from his nominated “bulldozer” personality type, it was too little, too late. The reality, of course, was that Morrison had not changed at all.
According to one Liberal MP, he was still as vindictive as ever. Even as he was fighting a losing campaign, he was busy attacking colleagues. The MP says, “His office hated me and they consistently briefed against me during the campaign.”
Fiona Martin, the then Liberal member for Reid, was also iced out of the campaign. While Morrison visited the electorate for a jobs fair in Homebush, Martin – who was hand-picked by the prime minister to replace Craig Laundy in 2019 – was nowhere to be seen. When she lost the seat to Labor’s Sally Sitou, she was the only MP Morrison didn’t call to thank. Martin told news.com.au that the last time she had spoken to Morrison was by text message on February 23.
In the Prime Minister’s Office, as loyal staff followed Morrison’s every command or pre-empted his wishes, a sort of conqueror’s fantasy set in after the 2019 “miracle” win. According to observers, it eventually manifested in a near total break with reality.
Morrison was a “political genius” and a virtuoso campaigner, a brilliant tactician with a canine-like ability to hear the high-frequency pleas of the otherwise Quiet Australians. Only he could intuit the real concerns of the body politic.
A senior MP in the now former government tells The Saturday Paper Morrison was “the kind of clever who believes his genius can never be decoded by someone else”.
The MP says, “Sometimes, that is indistinguishable from the madness of kings. And in his case, Morrison believed his infallibility until the very end. His office enabled it, they briefed it and they injected it into the campaign at every opportunity.
“As I understand it, the tracking we were having done was deteriorating on some metrics and staying flat on others. It was the opposite in 2019. And where it once confirmed Morrison’s self-belief, this was different. I don’t think he was capable of truly adapting to the tracking. In fact, I don’t think he believed it was correct.
“Everything else was wrong and he was right.”
Others are only slightly more generous. “Morrison had some ‘fiddly people’ in his office like Carswell, but he had some great people, too. Isaac was there and he is a good, normal guy,” an MP says.
Much of the team this time around were the same as in 2019 – including Andrew Hirst as party director, and another Crosby Textor alumnus in Morrison’s principal private secretary, Yaron Finkelstein. The tactics didn’t change between campaigns.
It was Morrison, over the Christmas break in 2018, who decided his first election campaign had to be about him and not the party. As one insider told The Daily Telegraph after the 2019 victory, “the campaign director of this campaign was Scott”.
That might have worked against Bill Shorten, but in this campaign a handful of significant internal and external forces had marshalled against the Coalition. One of them, simply, was time.
Nationals leader Barnaby Joyce tells The Saturday Paper what he told Scott Morrison just days ago: “People got sick of the curtains. Sometimes the curtains still work and there’s nothing wrong with them, but people want a change anyway.
On Monday morning, Nationals colleague Darren Chester posted on his Facebook page that “the message from voters was brutal and will take some soul searching”. The Liberal Party, he said, will need to rebuild.
“The voters are never wrong. As politicians, we mightn’t like what they say to us but it’s a dumb idea to think they’ve got it wrong,” he wrote. “By voting for the so-called teal independents in the city, metropolitan voters have made it clear that they want more action on climate change (whatever that looks like) and a federal integrity commission. When the wealth-belt is prepared to toss out a moderate, experienced and capable Treasurer, for an unproven activist, you need to listen to the message, regardless of how unpalatable it is.”
The reality for the Nationals, he said, is that the fact they held seats “masks the fact that we have lost government and any genuine capacity to influence policy outcomes for the betterment of regional people”. He went on: “It was simple and devastatingly effective to say a vote for those moderate Liberals, was a vote for the ‘dinosaurs’ in The Nationals who didn’t believe in climate change.”
In Western Australia, where the Liberals experienced a historic federal wipe-out in Perth, many of the national undercurrents of mistrust merged with hyperlocal anger and structural problems around funding and finance.
WA senator Michaelia Cash, the former attorney-general, told ABC’s 7.30 on Wednesday that “it is rock bottom” for the party in the state. One view emerging in the west is that Scott Morrison’s right-hand man, Ben Morton, who was also state director of the WA Liberal Party throughout the resources boom from 2008 to 2015, was the focus of considerable anger within the party. He lost his seat in the wipe-out.
“The sense I have picked up in the party is that there is a lot of ‘Fuck you, Ben, you left us with nothing’,” the insider says. “He had a golden run and yet the fundraising arm of the party was really drying up.”
It didn’t help, either, that federal ministers had spent the better part of two years telling the state to open up during the worst of the Covid-19 pandemic.
“Morrison, and indeed federal members from Western Australia, arguing to open borders and criticising the state with terms like ‘living in a cave’ was all very offensive, and that damaged the campaign,” an elder statesman of the WA Liberal Party tells The Saturday Paper.
“I believe the swing against the Liberals, which was bigger here than anywhere else in the country, is directly related to the standing of the party in this state.”
The campaign, this former high-ranking Liberal MP says, was a lot like a pitch for “local government”, with no real policy until the very end.
“It was a very poor campaign all around, offering some parks and parking areas here and there,” he says. “Someone over east said it was like a campaign to decide the mayor of Australia, and that felt about right.”
This Liberal is also of the view that the government has, over the past six years in particular, “lost the best half of its cabinet”. Another state source said this talent had been replaced with candidates even the Liberals knew were duds. Kristy McSweeney, who had been rejected for state preselection by a party that questioned her absence from the fold, was parachuted into the seat of Swan, where she had “very tenuous links”.
“She thought she was god’s gift to the Liberal Party – a white-bread, good-looking woman from central casting – but why would anyone vote for her when she hadn’t been involved with the party for a decade?” a source says.
Other candidates failed. Ben Morton was scarcely present in his own electorate. The niece of WA Liberal Party royalty, Kate Chaney, ran as an independent and defeated the Liberal’s Celia Hammond in Curtin. She had the backing of former federal Liberal Party deputy leader Fred Chaney, her uncle, and on Saturday the extended clan, including businessman and former University of Western Australia vice-chancellor Dr Michael Chaney, were doing booth work for the corporate lawyer.
One-time star fundraiser for the WA Liberal Party and close friend of Julie Bishop, Danielle Blain, has been the subject of “fucking awful treatment” in the party over the past six years. After being passed over for various positions, she did not raise substantial funds this campaign – and it showed in the result.
“Everywhere you look, the seeds of this election loss from an organisational point of view go back a long, long way,” a source says.
While Morrison made several visits to WA, he spent little time in Melbourne and none at all in affluent Kooyong, where his treasurer, Josh Frydenberg, was battling, and failing, to keep his seat. In metropolitan Melbourne, there is scarcely a seat left for the Liberal Party.
There is a particular vitriol reserved for the former prime minister in his apparent engineering of a “five-dimensional chess” strategy to install Katherine Deves, who made appalling comments about transgender athletes, as the star candidate in Warringah, hyping her credentials as a culture warrior in the belief it would win votes in other more conservative suburban and regional seats.
Instead, it almost certainly cost nearby Sydney electorates such as Wentworth, and possibly Frydenberg’s seat as well.
“He fucked us and his fingerprints are absolutely fuckin’ everywhere on that,” a moderate Liberal MP says. “The bloke thinks he is a master strategist. He is a fuckwit.”
Another Sydney Liberal says: “A cynical person would say Deves was put up to murder the moderates.”
“They were totally kneecapped by that,” the source says. “Barely able to do any media at all because that’s all they were going to be asked about.”
As recriminations take off, and right-wing media outlets such as Sky News call for a “mad-left resistance”, there is a hint of schadenfreude among some members of Morrison’s own cabinet.
“He’s not the messiah,” one says. “He’s just a very naughty boy.”
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I won’t requote the article for readability’s sake, but the point about launching the superannuation savings for first homebuyers so late in the campaign made it look to me like it was policy on the run. Like something they made up during the campaign in response to the Labor policy on shared home ownership. It reinforced the message that they don’t really care about the struggles ordinary people are facing, and this was a token effort to appear to be doing something about it. Even though just about every economics expert agrees this is a terrible policy.
dv said:
NEWSInterviews with more than a dozen senior Liberals show how Scott Morrison’s belief in his own ‘genius’ and self-image as a ‘master strategist’ cost the party government. By Rick Morton.
In the final campaign of his prime ministership, Scott Morrison picked some fights and ran from others. The order in which he was willing to do so – against transgender people first, and later the superannuation industry – says more about the man’s character than perhaps anything else he did in office.
It also explains a key strategic failure in the six-week election campaign, which has obliterated a generation of Liberal Party talent, evacuated Perth of any federal representation and nearly gutted Melbourne.
Morrison was happy to attack transgender kids in particular because they could not fight back. The $3.4 trillion superannuation industry, however, was a different matter.
Morrison gave himself only six days to sell what some believe could have been an election-winning policy on housing, allowing first home buyers to access their superannuation for a deposit.
The policy itself would not greatly affect the housing market, but it gave Morrison two of his sharpest lines: Labor wants to own your home and; Labor won’t let you spend your own money.
These lines could have run throughout the campaign, except Morrison was afraid to launch his policy sooner. He was worried about the money the super industry had to attack his party with advertising.
“The super-for-housing policy was a good one but they dropped it late, in the last week of the campaign, because Morrison was terrified of a multimillion TV campaign from the super funds,” one Liberal MP tells The Saturday Paper.
“Josh was onside but Morrison was scared of having the fight. I think we should have had the fight.”
There has been no official autopsy of the Liberal Party’s extraordinary collapse at the ballot box last Saturday, but more than a dozen current and former MPs, party officials and advisers who have spoken with The Saturday Paper in the wake of the bruising loss have reflected on a campaign so dense and so small-minded that an implosion was all but guaranteed.
“We spent a full fucking week being transphobes in parliament and then we spent weeks during the campaign doing the exact same thing, and it was fucking insane,” an MP says. “The transphobe thing was an absolute disaster. We clearly didn’t have enough economic policies. I think the strategy, such as it was, was to repeat the 2019 election campaign, but that was never going to be adequate for a few reasons.”
Chief among them was that Scott Morrison had become deeply unpopular in the eyes of the electorate. “I think it took people three years to realise what a horrible person he is,” a Liberal Party insider says.
In this respect, at least, there is only so much a campaign can do. Even so, usually leaders try to reverse perceptions. To the extent that Morrison publicly offered to change from his nominated “bulldozer” personality type, it was too little, too late. The reality, of course, was that Morrison had not changed at all.
According to one Liberal MP, he was still as vindictive as ever. Even as he was fighting a losing campaign, he was busy attacking colleagues. The MP says, “His office hated me and they consistently briefed against me during the campaign.”
Fiona Martin, the then Liberal member for Reid, was also iced out of the campaign. While Morrison visited the electorate for a jobs fair in Homebush, Martin – who was hand-picked by the prime minister to replace Craig Laundy in 2019 – was nowhere to be seen. When she lost the seat to Labor’s Sally Sitou, she was the only MP Morrison didn’t call to thank. Martin told news.com.au that the last time she had spoken to Morrison was by text message on February 23.
In the Prime Minister’s Office, as loyal staff followed Morrison’s every command or pre-empted his wishes, a sort of conqueror’s fantasy set in after the 2019 “miracle” win. According to observers, it eventually manifested in a near total break with reality.
Morrison was a “political genius” and a virtuoso campaigner, a brilliant tactician with a canine-like ability to hear the high-frequency pleas of the otherwise Quiet Australians. Only he could intuit the real concerns of the body politic.
A senior MP in the now former government tells The Saturday Paper Morrison was “the kind of clever who believes his genius can never be decoded by someone else”.
The MP says, “Sometimes, that is indistinguishable from the madness of kings. And in his case, Morrison believed his infallibility until the very end. His office enabled it, they briefed it and they injected it into the campaign at every opportunity.
“As I understand it, the tracking we were having done was deteriorating on some metrics and staying flat on others. It was the opposite in 2019. And where it once confirmed Morrison’s self-belief, this was different. I don’t think he was capable of truly adapting to the tracking. In fact, I don’t think he believed it was correct.
“Everything else was wrong and he was right.”
Others are only slightly more generous. “Morrison had some ‘fiddly people’ in his office like Carswell, but he had some great people, too. Isaac was there and he is a good, normal guy,” an MP says.
Much of the team this time around were the same as in 2019 – including Andrew Hirst as party director, and another Crosby Textor alumnus in Morrison’s principal private secretary, Yaron Finkelstein. The tactics didn’t change between campaigns.
It was Morrison, over the Christmas break in 2018, who decided his first election campaign had to be about him and not the party. As one insider told The Daily Telegraph after the 2019 victory, “the campaign director of this campaign was Scott”.
That might have worked against Bill Shorten, but in this campaign a handful of significant internal and external forces had marshalled against the Coalition. One of them, simply, was time.
Nationals leader Barnaby Joyce tells The Saturday Paper what he told Scott Morrison just days ago: “People got sick of the curtains. Sometimes the curtains still work and there’s nothing wrong with them, but people want a change anyway.
On Monday morning, Nationals colleague Darren Chester posted on his Facebook page that “the message from voters was brutal and will take some soul searching”. The Liberal Party, he said, will need to rebuild.
“The voters are never wrong. As politicians, we mightn’t like what they say to us but it’s a dumb idea to think they’ve got it wrong,” he wrote. “By voting for the so-called teal independents in the city, metropolitan voters have made it clear that they want more action on climate change (whatever that looks like) and a federal integrity commission. When the wealth-belt is prepared to toss out a moderate, experienced and capable Treasurer, for an unproven activist, you need to listen to the message, regardless of how unpalatable it is.”
The reality for the Nationals, he said, is that the fact they held seats “masks the fact that we have lost government and any genuine capacity to influence policy outcomes for the betterment of regional people”. He went on: “It was simple and devastatingly effective to say a vote for those moderate Liberals, was a vote for the ‘dinosaurs’ in The Nationals who didn’t believe in climate change.”
In Western Australia, where the Liberals experienced a historic federal wipe-out in Perth, many of the national undercurrents of mistrust merged with hyperlocal anger and structural problems around funding and finance.
WA senator Michaelia Cash, the former attorney-general, told ABC’s 7.30 on Wednesday that “it is rock bottom” for the party in the state. One view emerging in the west is that Scott Morrison’s right-hand man, Ben Morton, who was also state director of the WA Liberal Party throughout the resources boom from 2008 to 2015, was the focus of considerable anger within the party. He lost his seat in the wipe-out.
“The sense I have picked up in the party is that there is a lot of ‘Fuck you, Ben, you left us with nothing’,” the insider says. “He had a golden run and yet the fundraising arm of the party was really drying up.”
It didn’t help, either, that federal ministers had spent the better part of two years telling the state to open up during the worst of the Covid-19 pandemic.
“Morrison, and indeed federal members from Western Australia, arguing to open borders and criticising the state with terms like ‘living in a cave’ was all very offensive, and that damaged the campaign,” an elder statesman of the WA Liberal Party tells The Saturday Paper.
“I believe the swing against the Liberals, which was bigger here than anywhere else in the country, is directly related to the standing of the party in this state.”
The campaign, this former high-ranking Liberal MP says, was a lot like a pitch for “local government”, with no real policy until the very end.
“It was a very poor campaign all around, offering some parks and parking areas here and there,” he says. “Someone over east said it was like a campaign to decide the mayor of Australia, and that felt about right.”
This Liberal is also of the view that the government has, over the past six years in particular, “lost the best half of its cabinet”. Another state source said this talent had been replaced with candidates even the Liberals knew were duds. Kristy McSweeney, who had been rejected for state preselection by a party that questioned her absence from the fold, was parachuted into the seat of Swan, where she had “very tenuous links”.
“She thought she was god’s gift to the Liberal Party – a white-bread, good-looking woman from central casting – but why would anyone vote for her when she hadn’t been involved with the party for a decade?” a source says.
Other candidates failed. Ben Morton was scarcely present in his own electorate. The niece of WA Liberal Party royalty, Kate Chaney, ran as an independent and defeated the Liberal’s Celia Hammond in Curtin. She had the backing of former federal Liberal Party deputy leader Fred Chaney, her uncle, and on Saturday the extended clan, including businessman and former University of Western Australia vice-chancellor Dr Michael Chaney, were doing booth work for the corporate lawyer.
One-time star fundraiser for the WA Liberal Party and close friend of Julie Bishop, Danielle Blain, has been the subject of “fucking awful treatment” in the party over the past six years. After being passed over for various positions, she did not raise substantial funds this campaign – and it showed in the result.
“Everywhere you look, the seeds of this election loss from an organisational point of view go back a long, long way,” a source says.
While Morrison made several visits to WA, he spent little time in Melbourne and none at all in affluent Kooyong, where his treasurer, Josh Frydenberg, was battling, and failing, to keep his seat. In metropolitan Melbourne, there is scarcely a seat left for the Liberal Party.
There is a particular vitriol reserved for the former prime minister in his apparent engineering of a “five-dimensional chess” strategy to install Katherine Deves, who made appalling comments about transgender athletes, as the star candidate in Warringah, hyping her credentials as a culture warrior in the belief it would win votes in other more conservative suburban and regional seats.
Instead, it almost certainly cost nearby Sydney electorates such as Wentworth, and possibly Frydenberg’s seat as well.
“He fucked us and his fingerprints are absolutely fuckin’ everywhere on that,” a moderate Liberal MP says. “The bloke thinks he is a master strategist. He is a fuckwit.”
Another Sydney Liberal says: “A cynical person would say Deves was put up to murder the moderates.”
“They were totally kneecapped by that,” the source says. “Barely able to do any media at all because that’s all they were going to be asked about.”
As recriminations take off, and right-wing media outlets such as Sky News call for a “mad-left resistance”, there is a hint of schadenfreude among some members of Morrison’s own cabinet.
“He’s not the messiah,” one says. “He’s just a very naughty boy.”
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It’s a shame some of these people didn’t do something about Morrison a couple of years ago.
>“We spent a full fucking week being transphobes in parliament and then we spent weeks during the campaign doing the exact same thing, and it was fucking insane,” an MP says. “The transphobe thing was an absolute disaster. We clearly didn’t have enough economic policies. I think the strategy, such as it was, was to repeat the 2019 election campaign, but that was never going to be adequate for a few reasons.”
Pretty sure this is nonsense. The general public is sceptical about the trans rights lobby.
But unfortunately the Liberal loss is also being portrayed as a loss for gender critical feminists.
buffy said:
It’s a shame some of these people didn’t do something about Morrison a couple of years ago.
They were all too busy, wheeling and dealing, selling water licenses, flogging bits of land near fictional airports for vast sums, wanking on peoples’ desks, fiddling their travel accommodation expenses, playing with rent boys in prayer rooms, arranging for tens of millions of taxpayer dollars to sweeten the sale of a port which they were’ powerless to prevent’, harassing and assaulting female staff, and a host of other important duties.
Wasn’t one of the first things Morrison did was change the number of people needed for a leadership spill thus protecting himself from future shit?
sarahs mum said:
Wasn’t one of the first things Morrison did was change the number of people needed for a leadership spill thus protecting himself from future shit?
Yep. Next time, he would have tried to ban elections.
Bubblecar said:
>“We spent a full fucking week being transphobes in parliament and then we spent weeks during the campaign doing the exact same thing, and it was fucking insane,” an MP says. “The transphobe thing was an absolute disaster. We clearly didn’t have enough economic policies. I think the strategy, such as it was, was to repeat the 2019 election campaign, but that was never going to be adequate for a few reasons.”Pretty sure this is nonsense. The general public is sceptical about the trans rights lobby.
But unfortunately the Liberal loss is also being portrayed as a loss for gender critical feminists.
Yeah, the issue doesn’t have a lot of traction in the wider community. But the look of it does, it makes them look mean-spirited, old-fashioned and out of touch. The public don’t like religious beliefs of a few hardline conservatives to be what drives policy in a way that victimises people. It is the lack of compassion and the disrespect for human dignity which is more significant than specific trans rights issues.
sarahs mum said:
Wasn’t one of the first things Morrison did was change the number of people needed for a leadership spill thus protecting himself from future shit?
Like the sale of the Darwin port, it might not have been his idea, but he was quite willing to do everything he could to help it go through.
Kingy said:
sarahs mum said:
Wasn’t one of the first things Morrison did was change the number of people needed for a leadership spill thus protecting himself from future shit?Yep. Next time, he would have tried to ban elections.
Tamb said:
Kingy said:
sarahs mum said:
Wasn’t one of the first things Morrison did was change the number of people needed for a leadership spill thus protecting himself from future shit?Yep. Next time, he would have tried to ban elections.
Or made himself PM for life.
ROFL
Antony has called Brisbane for the Greens
dv said:
Antony has called Brisbane for the Greens
the thick plottens…
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:It’s a shame some of these people didn’t do something about Morrison a couple of years ago.
They were all too busy, wheeling and dealing, selling water licenses, flogging bits of land near fictional airports for vast sums, wanking on peoples’ desks, fiddling their travel accommodation expenses, playing with rent boys in prayer rooms, arranging for tens of millions of taxpayer dollars to sweeten the sale of a port which they were’ powerless to prevent’, harassing and assaulting female staff, and a host of other important duties.
They probably felt Morrison was the lesser of two evils
dv said:
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:It’s a shame some of these people didn’t do something about Morrison a couple of years ago.
They were all too busy, wheeling and dealing, selling water licenses, flogging bits of land near fictional airports for vast sums, wanking on peoples’ desks, fiddling their travel accommodation expenses, playing with rent boys in prayer rooms, arranging for tens of millions of taxpayer dollars to sweeten the sale of a port which they were’ powerless to prevent’, harassing and assaulting female staff, and a host of other important duties.
They probably felt Morrison was the lesser of two evils
Morrison was taking the heat off them.
Gilmore and Deakin keep getting better for the ALP but if you do the BOTE calculations probably not enough for Labor to win them unless there is some surprise in the absent and phone votes
dv said:
Antony has called Brisbane for the Greens
I really don’t get this at all.. the greens are a fucking joke.. they are the singular reason for the shit show of climate policy we’ve had over the last 10 years…
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
Antony has called Brisbane for the Greens
I really don’t get this at all.. the greens are a fucking joke.. they are the singular reason for the shit show of climate policy we’ve had over the last 10 years…
That’s too complicated an argument. Indirectly yes, but you have to bear in the mind that is only because the Liberals and in the particular the Nationals have approached the issue, If they were on board with sensible proposals like an ETS the Green’s stance on the issue would have mattered.
party_pants said:
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
Antony has called Brisbane for the Greens
I really don’t get this at all.. the greens are a fucking joke.. they are the singular reason for the shit show of climate policy we’ve had over the last 10 years…
That’s too complicated an argument. Indirectly yes, but you have to bear in the mind that is only because the Liberals and in the particular the Nationals have approached the issue, If they were on board with sensible proposals like an ETS the Green’s stance on the issue would have mattered.
.. the way in the Liberals and Nationals approached the issue is what I meant to say.
Our climate change policy is a mess because Tony the Butthead abolished the ETS.
party_pants said:
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
Antony has called Brisbane for the Greens
I really don’t get this at all.. the greens are a fucking joke.. they are the singular reason for the shit show of climate policy we’ve had over the last 10 years…
That’s too complicated an argument. Indirectly yes, but you have to bear in the mind that is only because the Liberals and in the particular the Nationals have approached the issue, If they were on board with sensible proposals like an ETS the Green’s stance on the issue would have mattered.
I understand, but let’s face it.. they voted down what would have been a perfectly good ETS… in any case they are as meaningless with 4 seats as they are with 1, so I guess it doesn’t matter too much.
diddly-squat said:
party_pants said:
diddly-squat said:I really don’t get this at all.. the greens are a fucking joke.. they are the singular reason for the shit show of climate policy we’ve had over the last 10 years…
That’s too complicated an argument. Indirectly yes, but you have to bear in the mind that is only because the Liberals and in the particular the Nationals have approached the issue, If they were on board with sensible proposals like an ETS the Green’s stance on the issue would have mattered.
I understand, but let’s face it.. they voted down what would have been a perfectly good ETS… in any case they are as meaningless with 4 seats as they are with 1, so I guess it doesn’t matter too much.
Common attitude that nature ain’t worth much.
diddly-squat said:
party_pants said:
diddly-squat said:I really don’t get this at all.. the greens are a fucking joke.. they are the singular reason for the shit show of climate policy we’ve had over the last 10 years…
That’s too complicated an argument. Indirectly yes, but you have to bear in the mind that is only because the Liberals and in the particular the Nationals have approached the issue, If they were on board with sensible proposals like an ETS the Green’s stance on the issue would have mattered.
I understand, but let’s face it.. they voted down what would have been a perfectly good ETS… in any case they are as meaningless with 4 seats as they are with 1, so I guess it doesn’t matter too much.
If the ALP don’t get to 76 then all of the cross-bench are in play. Including the Greens. They will have achieved the Holy Grail of any minor party, holding the balance of power. They don’t hold it alone of course, the Teals would be in just the smae position.
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
Antony has called Brisbane for the Greens
I really don’t get this at all.. the greens are a fucking joke.. they are the singular reason for the shit show of climate policy we’ve had over the last 10 years…
That’s not true.
The Rev Dodgson said:
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
Antony has called Brisbane for the Greens
I really don’t get this at all.. the greens are a fucking joke.. they are the singular reason for the shit show of climate policy we’ve had over the last 10 years…
That’s not true.
except is it
diddly-squat said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
diddly-squat said:I really don’t get this at all.. the greens are a fucking joke.. they are the singular reason for the shit show of climate policy we’ve had over the last 10 years…
That’s not true.
except is it
One of these days the fossil fuel industry might wake up that their lives and their families lives are at stake. But I guess a better car and a bigger house is too much of an attraction for them.
PermeateFree said:
diddly-squat said:
party_pants said:That’s too complicated an argument. Indirectly yes, but you have to bear in the mind that is only because the Liberals and in the particular the Nationals have approached the issue, If they were on board with sensible proposals like an ETS the Green’s stance on the issue would have mattered.
I understand, but let’s face it.. they voted down what would have been a perfectly good ETS… in any case they are as meaningless with 4 seats as they are with 1, so I guess it doesn’t matter too much.
Common attitude that nature ain’t worth much.
Yeah. All them inner city toffs and their latte sipping smashed avocados that probably haven’t yet worked out that their Teslas run on coal.
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
Antony has called Brisbane for the Greens
I really don’t get this at all.. the greens are a fucking joke.. they are the singular reason for the shit show of climate policy we’ve had over the last 10 years…
Well that’s just like your opinion, man.
Woodie said:
PermeateFree said:
diddly-squat said:I understand, but let’s face it.. they voted down what would have been a perfectly good ETS… in any case they are as meaningless with 4 seats as they are with 1, so I guess it doesn’t matter too much.
Common attitude that nature ain’t worth much.
Yeah. All them inner city toffs and their latte sipping smashed avocados that probably haven’t yet worked out that their Teslas run on coal.
People that are actually committed to nature, rather than just a nice thing to have around would be around 15% of the Australian population, so yes there are a lot of dumb people around who think not using a polythene bag or a plastic straw will save the world. So where do you fit?
diddly-squat said:
party_pants said:
diddly-squat said:I really don’t get this at all.. the greens are a fucking joke.. they are the singular reason for the shit show of climate policy we’ve had over the last 10 years…
That’s too complicated an argument. Indirectly yes, but you have to bear in the mind that is only because the Liberals and in the particular the Nationals have approached the issue, If they were on board with sensible proposals like an ETS the Green’s stance on the issue would have mattered.
I understand, but let’s face it.. they voted down what would have been a perfectly good ETS… in any case they are as meaningless with 4 seats as they are with 1, so I guess it doesn’t matter too much.
Well I’m sure they have learned their lesson …
dv said:
I think you’ll find that majority public opinion on transwomen in women’s sports is indeed in the Deves camp, not the dv camp.
PermeateFree said:
Woodie said:
PermeateFree said:Common attitude that nature ain’t worth much.
Yeah. All them inner city toffs and their latte sipping smashed avocados that probably haven’t yet worked out that their Teslas run on coal.
People that are actually committed to nature, rather than just a nice thing to have around would be around 15% of the Australian population, so yes there are a lot of dumb people around who think not using a polythene bag or a plastic straw will save the world. So where do you fit?
Disposable nappies.
ABC News
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Deputy Nationals leader David Littleproud confirms he will try to topple Barnaby Joyce as leader when the party meets in Canberra on Monday.
Woodie said:
PermeateFree said:
Woodie said:Yeah. All them inner city toffs and their latte sipping smashed avocados that probably haven’t yet worked out that their Teslas run on coal.
People that are actually committed to nature, rather than just a nice thing to have around would be around 15% of the Australian population, so yes there are a lot of dumb people around who think not using a polythene bag or a plastic straw will save the world. So where do you fit?
Disposable nappies.
(mental picture of woodie ‘fitting into’ disposable nappies)
Whoooaaa!
(reaches for glass of plonk, takes gulp.)
sarahs mum said:
ABC News
16 mins ·
Deputy Nationals leader David Littleproud confirms he will try to topple Barnaby Joyce as leader when the party meets in Canberra on Monday.
‘ave a go, yer mug!
sarahs mum said:
ABC News
16 mins ·
Deputy Nationals leader David Littleproud confirms he will try to topple Barnaby Joyce as leader when the party meets in Canberra on Monday.
Unfortunate surname.
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
ABC News
16 mins ·
Deputy Nationals leader David Littleproud confirms he will try to topple Barnaby Joyce as leader when the party meets in Canberra on Monday.
Unfortunate surname.
It would have been a suitable nom de plume for Barnaby though.
captain_spalding said:
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
ABC News
16 mins ·
Deputy Nationals leader David Littleproud confirms he will try to topple Barnaby Joyce as leader when the party meets in Canberra on Monday.
Unfortunate surname.
It would have been a suitable nom de plume for Barnaby though.
And how does dv rate DL’s chances?
buffy said:
captain_spalding said:
Bubblecar said:Unfortunate surname.
It would have been a suitable nom de plume for Barnaby though.
And how does dv rate DL’s chances?
I don’t have any insights
dv said:
buffy said:
captain_spalding said:It would have been a suitable nom de plume for Barnaby though.
And how does dv rate DL’s chances?
I don’t have any insights
There’s always the chance that it’s just for show.
‘See, we had a leadership challenge, and Barnaby won, nothing to see here, move along, we’ve got expense accounts to fiddle.’
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
Antony has called Brisbane for the Greens
I really don’t get this at all.. the greens are a fucking joke.. they are the singular reason for the shit show of climate policy we’ve had over the last 10 years…
singular reason.
much bitterness.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
buffy said:And how does dv rate DL’s chances?
I don’t have any insights
There’s always the chance that it’s just for show.
‘See, we had a leadership challenge, and Barnaby won, nothing to see here, move along, we’ve got expense accounts to fiddle.’
I mean I was gobsmacked with Joyce returned as leader after a corruption scandal and a personal scandal and an insane video saying he wants the government out of his life so (shrugs) I have no idea what appeals to the Nationals. The Nationals did lose votes at this election, even in Qld, and also probably the antics of BJ dragged down the overall Coalition vote by association, but maybe they don’t even want to be in power. Maybe they are quite happy just grumbling and cavilling and trying to hold back the tide like a bunch of Cnuts and if that’s the case then sure they might as well go with Joyce again.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
I think you’ll find that majority public opinion on transwomen in women’s sports is indeed in the Deves camp, not the dv camp.
Sure seems to have worked a treat for her, thumbs up emoji
dv said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
I think you’ll find that majority public opinion on transwomen in women’s sports is indeed in the Deves camp, not the dv camp.
Sure seems to have worked a treat for her, thumbs up emoji
She was a single issue candidate at a time when there were many and varied reasons to not vote for the coalition.
She might have performed better as an independent.
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
Antony has called Brisbane for the Greens
I really don’t get this at all.. the greens are a fucking joke.. they are the singular reason for the shit show of climate policy we’ve had over the last 10 years…
No.
The liberals made the shit policy.Bubblecar said:
She might have performed better as an independent.
I suspect that at least a couple of Liberals did.
PermeateFree said:
diddly-squat said:
party_pants said:That’s too complicated an argument. Indirectly yes, but you have to bear in the mind that is only because the Liberals and in the particular the Nationals have approached the issue, If they were on board with sensible proposals like an ETS the Green’s stance on the issue would have mattered.
I understand, but let’s face it.. they voted down what would have been a perfectly good ETS… in any case they are as meaningless with 4 seats as they are with 1, so I guess it doesn’t matter too much.
Common attitude that nature ain’t worth much.
These are Morrison’s Australian Values.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Bubblecar said:I think you’ll find that majority public opinion on transwomen in women’s sports is indeed in the Deves camp, not the dv camp.
Sure seems to have worked a treat for her, thumbs up emoji
She was a single issue candidate at a time when there were many and varied reasons to not vote for the coalition.
She might have performed better as an independent.
The Liberals generally might have performed better if Deves was an independent.
party_pants said:
diddly-squat said:
party_pants said:That’s too complicated an argument. Indirectly yes, but you have to bear in the mind that is only because the Liberals and in the particular the Nationals have approached the issue, If they were on board with sensible proposals like an ETS the Green’s stance on the issue would have mattered.
I understand, but let’s face it.. they voted down what would have been a perfectly good ETS… in any case they are as meaningless with 4 seats as they are with 1, so I guess it doesn’t matter too much.
If the ALP don’t get to 76 then all of the cross-bench are in play. Including the Greens. They will have achieved the Holy Grail of any minor party, holding the balance of power. They don’t hold it alone of course, the Teals would be in just the smae position.
Labor have managed from this position before. No reason why they cannot achieve this again.
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:
diddly-squat said:I understand, but let’s face it.. they voted down what would have been a perfectly good ETS… in any case they are as meaningless with 4 seats as they are with 1, so I guess it doesn’t matter too much.
If the ALP don’t get to 76 then all of the cross-bench are in play. Including the Greens. They will have achieved the Holy Grail of any minor party, holding the balance of power. They don’t hold it alone of course, the Teals would be in just the smae position.
Labor have managed from this position before. No reason why they cannot achieve this again.
Even if the ALP DO get to 76, then they will still need the support of the Greens in the Senate to do anything major. Much depends on how these two parties play their hands.
PermeateFree said:
Woodie said:
PermeateFree said:Common attitude that nature ain’t worth much.
Yeah. All them inner city toffs and their latte sipping smashed avocados that probably haven’t yet worked out that their Teslas run on coal.
People that are actually committed to nature, rather than just a nice thing to have around would be around 15% of the Australian population, so yes there are a lot of dumb people around who think not using a polythene bag or a plastic straw will save the world. So where do you fit?
I’ve told everyone how much I have done to perpetuate nature. I’m not going to argue the maths with people who don’t know how to transplant a blade of grass.
dv said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:Sure seems to have worked a treat for her, thumbs up emoji
She was a single issue candidate at a time when there were many and varied reasons to not vote for the coalition.
She might have performed better as an independent.
The Liberals generally might have performed better if Deves was an independent.
Well maybe you’re right, I’m no expert.
It’s possible most Australians think that women shouldn’t be playing sport, or that there shouldn’t be any separate “Female” sports category because it’s fair enough for women to compete against men.
It’s none of my business. Fortunately none of my sisters are into sport.
dv said:
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:If the ALP don’t get to 76 then all of the cross-bench are in play. Including the Greens. They will have achieved the Holy Grail of any minor party, holding the balance of power. They don’t hold it alone of course, the Teals would be in just the smae position.
Labor have managed from this position before. No reason why they cannot achieve this again.
Even if the ALP DO get to 76, then they will still need the support of the Greens in the Senate to do anything major. Much depends on how these two parties play their hands.
It does and despite the doubters, I reckon Albo has the skills to communicate.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Bubblecar said:She was a single issue candidate at a time when there were many and varied reasons to not vote for the coalition.
She might have performed better as an independent.
The Liberals generally might have performed better if Deves was an independent.
Well maybe you’re right, I’m no expert.
It’s possible most Australians think that women shouldn’t be playing sport, or that there shouldn’t be any separate “Female” sports category because it’s fair enough for women to compete against men.
It’s none of my business. Fortunately none of my sisters are into sport.
Deves was a Morrison pawn. Like P. Hanson was Abbott’s.
Immaterial. The whole shebang was Morrison’s fault. Apart from the fact that the Libs went to far towards the right hand side of the public bar.
roughbarked said:
diddly-squat said:I really don’t get this at all.. the greens are a fucking joke.. they are the singular reason for the shit show of climate policy we’ve had over the last 10 years…
No.
The liberals made the shit policy.
They did.
If the L/NP don’t like the Greens, then they have only themselves to blame for the Greens’ continued ‘relevance’.
Had they agreed to any sort of address to the issue of climate change, even some sort of window-dressing, then they might have removed a lot of the wind from the Greens’ sails.
That’s something that Turnbull and his supporters might have done, had they not been torpedoed by those who were more attuned to the sponsors of the party.
I’m not saying that Malcolm would have gone book, bell and candle for a massive energy policy change, but he would have been more progressive in outlook than we’ve seen from the L/NP since Morrison’s ‘Peter Principle’ elevation. And his ideas probably would have served the party better.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
diddly-squat said:I really don’t get this at all.. the greens are a fucking joke.. they are the singular reason for the shit show of climate policy we’ve had over the last 10 years…
No.
The liberals made the shit policy.They did.
If the L/NP don’t like the Greens, then they have only themselves to blame for the Greens’ continued ‘relevance’.
Had they agreed to any sort of address to the issue of climate change, even some sort of window-dressing, then they might have removed a lot of the wind from the Greens’ sails.
That’s something that Turnbull and his supporters might have done, had they not been torpedoed by those who were more attuned to the sponsors of the party.
I’m not saying that Malcolm would have gone book, bell and candle for a massive energy policy change, but he would have been more progressive in outlook than we’ve seen from the L/NP since Morrison’s ‘Peter Principle’ elevation. And his ideas probably would have served the party better.
You see. This is where the Libs failed, by installing Morrison. Even if Turnbull had bumbled a bit, it would not have been so disastrous.
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:No.
The liberals made the shit policy.They did.
If the L/NP don’t like the Greens, then they have only themselves to blame for the Greens’ continued ‘relevance’.
Had they agreed to any sort of address to the issue of climate change, even some sort of window-dressing, then they might have removed a lot of the wind from the Greens’ sails.
That’s something that Turnbull and his supporters might have done, had they not been torpedoed by those who were more attuned to the sponsors of the party.
I’m not saying that Malcolm would have gone book, bell and candle for a massive energy policy change, but he would have been more progressive in outlook than we’ve seen from the L/NP since Morrison’s ‘Peter Principle’ elevation. And his ideas probably would have served the party better.
You see. This is where the Libs failed, by installing Morrison. Even if Turnbull had bumbled a bit, it would not have been so disastrous.
roughbarked said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:The Liberals generally might have performed better if Deves was an independent.
Well maybe you’re right, I’m no expert.
It’s possible most Australians think that women shouldn’t be playing sport, or that there shouldn’t be any separate “Female” sports category because it’s fair enough for women to compete against men.
It’s none of my business. Fortunately none of my sisters are into sport.
Deves was a Morrison pawn. Like P. Hanson was Abbott’s.
Immaterial. The whole shebang was Morrison’s fault. Apart from the fact that the Libs went to far towards the right hand side of the public bar.
It was surprising to find Morrison backing a women’s rights activist.
Bubblecar said:
roughbarked said:
Bubblecar said:Well maybe you’re right, I’m no expert.
It’s possible most Australians think that women shouldn’t be playing sport, or that there shouldn’t be any separate “Female” sports category because it’s fair enough for women to compete against men.
It’s none of my business. Fortunately none of my sisters are into sport.
Deves was a Morrison pawn. Like P. Hanson was Abbott’s.
Immaterial. The whole shebang was Morrison’s fault. Apart from the fact that the Libs went to far towards the right hand side of the public bar.
It was surprising to find Morrison backing a women’s rights activist.
Dirty politics are the Liberal brand.
roughbarked said:
Bubblecar said:
roughbarked said:Deves was a Morrison pawn. Like P. Hanson was Abbott’s.
Immaterial. The whole shebang was Morrison’s fault. Apart from the fact that the Libs went to far towards the right hand side of the public bar.
It was surprising to find Morrison backing a women’s rights activist.
Dirty politics are the Liberal brand.
and unfortunately, they have become the norm.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Bubblecar said:She was a single issue candidate at a time when there were many and varied reasons to not vote for the coalition.
She might have performed better as an independent.
The Liberals generally might have performed better if Deves was an independent.
Well maybe you’re right, I’m no expert.
It’s possible most Australians think that women shouldn’t be playing sport, or that there shouldn’t be any separate “Female” sports category because it’s fair enough for women to compete against men.
It’s none of my business. Fortunately none of my sisters are into sport.
I’m not an expert either. The Liberals and Labor are both saying that Deves dragged the other Liberals down in Sydney. Maybe they’re wrong: politics isn’t an exact science. But Deves did really badly, getting 33% of the vote in what not long ago was a blue ribbon Liberal seat. If her case was a winning case, then despite the general tide, you’d imagine she’d have had some relative swing in her favour. She didn’t even get to 40% in the 2-candidate-preferred, much worse than all the other Independent seats in NSW. On the face of it it would appear that while Warringah’s swing was partly due to the general shift against Libs, the extra bad swing for Deves might be due to her being locally unpopular because her views didn’t gibe with the swinging centrist voters in those suburbs.
Bubblecar said:
It was surprising to find Morrison backing a women’s rights activist.
That should probably have been a red hot clue.
roughbarked said:
Bubblecar said:
roughbarked said:Deves was a Morrison pawn. Like P. Hanson was Abbott’s.
Immaterial. The whole shebang was Morrison’s fault. Apart from the fact that the Libs went to far towards the right hand side of the public bar.
It was surprising to find Morrison backing a women’s rights activist.
Dirty politics are the Liberal brand.
It’s not “dirty” to support women’s rights, although I accept that it’s un-Australian.
dv said:
Bubblecar said:It was surprising to find Morrison backing a women’s rights activist.
That should probably have been a red hot clue.
I saw it as one.
Bubblecar said:
roughbarked said:
Bubblecar said:It was surprising to find Morrison backing a women’s rights activist.
Dirty politics are the Liberal brand.
It’s not “dirty” to support women’s rights, although I accept that it’s un-Australian.
The dirty bit is the underlying motive.
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:No.
The liberals made the shit policy.They did.
If the L/NP don’t like the Greens, then they have only themselves to blame for the Greens’ continued ‘relevance’.
Had they agreed to any sort of address to the issue of climate change, even some sort of window-dressing, then they might have removed a lot of the wind from the Greens’ sails.
That’s something that Turnbull and his supporters might have done, had they not been torpedoed by those who were more attuned to the sponsors of the party.
I’m not saying that Malcolm would have gone book, bell and candle for a massive energy policy change, but he would have been more progressive in outlook than we’ve seen from the L/NP since Morrison’s ‘Peter Principle’ elevation. And his ideas probably would have served the party better.
You see. This is where the Libs failed, by installing Morrison. Even if Turnbull had bumbled a bit, it would not have been so disastrous.
I think if we had a German style mixed-martial arts government, probably Turnbull would end up Chancellor as leader of some milquetoast party … what shade is halfway between teal and grey?
dv said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:The Liberals generally might have performed better if Deves was an independent.
Well maybe you’re right, I’m no expert.
It’s possible most Australians think that women shouldn’t be playing sport, or that there shouldn’t be any separate “Female” sports category because it’s fair enough for women to compete against men.
It’s none of my business. Fortunately none of my sisters are into sport.
I’m not an expert either. The Liberals and Labor are both saying that Deves dragged the other Liberals down in Sydney. Maybe they’re wrong: politics isn’t an exact science. But Deves did really badly, getting 33% of the vote in what not long ago was a blue ribbon Liberal seat. If her case was a winning case, then despite the general tide, you’d imagine she’d have had some relative swing in her favour. She didn’t even get to 40% in the 2-candidate-preferred, much worse than all the other Independent seats in NSW. On the face of it it would appear that while Warringah’s swing was partly due to the general shift against Libs, the extra bad swing for Deves might be due to her being locally unpopular because her views didn’t gibe with the swinging centrist voters in those suburbs.
Morrison thought it would work one way.. as it turns out, Peter’s principle got there before him.
dv said:
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:They did.
If the L/NP don’t like the Greens, then they have only themselves to blame for the Greens’ continued ‘relevance’.
Had they agreed to any sort of address to the issue of climate change, even some sort of window-dressing, then they might have removed a lot of the wind from the Greens’ sails.
That’s something that Turnbull and his supporters might have done, had they not been torpedoed by those who were more attuned to the sponsors of the party.
I’m not saying that Malcolm would have gone book, bell and candle for a massive energy policy change, but he would have been more progressive in outlook than we’ve seen from the L/NP since Morrison’s ‘Peter Principle’ elevation. And his ideas probably would have served the party better.
You see. This is where the Libs failed, by installing Morrison. Even if Turnbull had bumbled a bit, it would not have been so disastrous.
I think if we had a German style mixed-martial arts government, probably Turnbull would end up Chancellor as leader of some milquetoast party … what shade is halfway between teal and grey?
Did you ever collect birds eggs?
dv said:
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:They did.
If the L/NP don’t like the Greens, then they have only themselves to blame for the Greens’ continued ‘relevance’.
Had they agreed to any sort of address to the issue of climate change, even some sort of window-dressing, then they might have removed a lot of the wind from the Greens’ sails.
That’s something that Turnbull and his supporters might have done, had they not been torpedoed by those who were more attuned to the sponsors of the party.
I’m not saying that Malcolm would have gone book, bell and candle for a massive energy policy change, but he would have been more progressive in outlook than we’ve seen from the L/NP since Morrison’s ‘Peter Principle’ elevation. And his ideas probably would have served the party better.
You see. This is where the Libs failed, by installing Morrison. Even if Turnbull had bumbled a bit, it would not have been so disastrous.
I think if we had a German style mixed-martial arts government, probably Turnbull would end up Chancellor as leader of some milquetoast party … what shade is halfway between teal and grey?
Gral. From the planet Blargl.
roughbarked said:
dv said:
roughbarked said:You see. This is where the Libs failed, by installing Morrison. Even if Turnbull had bumbled a bit, it would not have been so disastrous.
I think if we had a German style mixed-martial arts government, probably Turnbull would end up Chancellor as leader of some milquetoast party … what shade is halfway between teal and grey?
Did you ever collect birds eggs?
No
dv said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:I think if we had a German style mixed-martial arts government, probably Turnbull would end up Chancellor as leader of some milquetoast party … what shade is halfway between teal and grey?
Did you ever collect birds eggs?
No
So you don’t get the relevance to duck egg green, from teal?
roughbarked said:
dv said:
roughbarked said:Did you ever collect birds eggs?
No
So you don’t get the relevance to duck egg green, from teal?
From royal blue to teal which implies a lean towards green?
roughbarked said:
dv said:
roughbarked said:Did you ever collect birds eggs?
No
So you don’t get the relevance to duck egg green, from teal?
Nah I get it but I’ve never collected eggs.
roughbarked said:
dv said:
roughbarked said:Did you ever collect birds eggs?
No
So you don’t get the relevance to duck egg green, from teal?
Nah nah nah…… It’s goose turd green. Duck egg blue.
For mine… I’m happy to let sporting bodies work out their own rules with regard to trans folks. I dare say it will be more relevant to some sports than others: like a m2f middle distance runner with low testosterone might not have any particular advantage, whereas in basketball height is a major advantage that hormones won’t take away, and there are people in the NBA now who are literally taller than any woman alive. But (shrugs) I regard this as a sports administration issue.
There’s no particular need for it to be a matter for Federal legislation and hence notnrelevant to a Federal election campaign. Voters know what people like Deves are about, so when she says she is “triggered whenever she sees a rainbow flag” they know what end of the market she is playing to.
I sense that large parts of the electorate are over the culture wars already.
party_pants said:
I sense that large parts of the electorate are over the culture wars already.
I don’t think it ever appealed to many people outside the Sky After Dark crowd.
party_pants said:
I sense that large parts of the electorate are over the culture wars already.
the distraction wars
roughbarked said:
dv said:
roughbarked said:Did you ever collect birds eggs?
No
So you don’t get the relevance to duck egg green, from teal?
Exactement
What i’ve been saying all along.
The ‘Teals’ are quite possibly Liberals in Greens cloaking.
While they may vote in favour of something which has a hint of ‘green’ about it (and that’s by no means certain, no matter what the campaigning), don’t count on them being ‘socially progressive’.
roughbarked said:
dv said:
roughbarked said:Did you ever collect birds eggs?
No
So you don’t get the relevance to duck egg green, from teal?
a teal is a duck.
AEC have started loading the phone voting results but so far just the non-covid results (blind or antarctic) and there are only a few dozen of them per division.
sarahs mum said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:No
So you don’t get the relevance to duck egg green, from teal?
a teal is a duck.
Aye, we get some here in the wetlands oop nort’. Never seen one at our local lagoon alas.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:No
So you don’t get the relevance to duck egg green, from teal?
Exactement
What i’ve been saying all along.
The ‘Teals’ are quite possibly Liberals in Greens cloaking.
While they may vote in favour of something which has a hint of ‘green’ about it (and that’s by no means certain, no matter what the campaigning), don’t count on them being ‘socially progressive’.
Pretty Goslings Then
dv said:
party_pants said:
I sense that large parts of the electorate are over the culture wars already.
I don’t think it ever appealed to many people outside the Sky After Dark crowd.
I concede, it’s probably true that most Australians (certainly on the Left) think that women’s rights should be secondary to the rights of males who identify as females.
Who knows, maybe they’re right. Maybe men are innately more deserving of rights than women.
Labor’s secret weapon? Defeated Liberal MP claims Barnaby Joyce even less popular than Scott Morrison
MP reveals prime minister’s office urged Joyce to stay off national and metro media, but Nationals leader disputes he is unpopular
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/may/28/labors-secret-weapon-defeated-liberal-mp-claims-barnaby-joyce-even-less-popular-than-scott-morrison
Barnaby Joyce has hit back after a defeated Liberal MP claimed the Nationals leader was an even bigger drag on the government’s vote in metro areas than the prime minister, Scott Morrison.
bloody hell
dv said:
bloody hell
So Labor will pick it up then.
sibeen said:
dv said:
bloody hell
So Labor will pick it up then.
That’s likely. There are about 6000 votes left though I suppose there might still be more postals trickling in, they are accepted up until 3 June, and perhaps 500 or so phone votes. Can the Greens make up 500 votes in that?
dv said:
sibeen said:
dv said:
bloody hell
So Labor will pick it up then.
That’s likely. There are about 6000 votes left though I suppose there might still be more postals trickling in, they are accepted up until 3 June, and perhaps 500 or so phone votes. Can the Greens make up 500 votes in that?
Just a reminder … In order to win this seat, Labor only needs to finish in 1st or 2nd spot.
So
Lib, Lab, Grn -> Labor wins
Lab, Lib, Grn -> Labor wins
Grn, Lab, Lib -> Labor wins
Lab, Grn, Lib -> Labor wins
Grn, Lib, Lab -> Green wins
Lib, Grn, Lab -> Green wins
The maps of the capitals (plus Newcastle area) tell a story.
The Coalition has no representation in the territories or Hobart area.
Their sole representation in Perth and urban environs is Ian Goodenough up in Moore, who hung on 51-49.
Likewise, they only have one representative in Adelaide, James Stevens in Sturt, again 51-49.
You have a fair drive from the CBD before you reach the blue line of contact in Melbourne, but the wall at Croydon Hills did hold as the Libs retained Menzies 51-49, Aston 53-47, and will probably cling to Deakin.
They still have a fair amount of territory in the suburbs around Sydney. In the south around Botany Bay they have kept Banks, Cook and Hughes quite comfortably. In the north, Mitchell, Bradfield, Berowra are also quite safe, as is Lindsay out in Penrith.
Newcastle and the Central Coast are fully red.
Their main piece of good news is in Brisbane and SEQ generally. Their only losses were to the Greens in Ryan and Griffith. They still hold the entire Sunshine and Gold Coasts and the northern and southern exurbs plus Bonner and Bowman. Although they did suffer a decent swing, the only one of their seats that could be considered marginal is Dickson on 52-48.
It paints a picture of where the Liberals stand now. They came within 1% of being completely vanquished from every population centre apart from Brisbane and Sydney but in the latter they still have some areas that they can rely on and in the former they are very dominant except quite close to the city.
They also have a base in rural and regional areas that are not contested by the Nationals. This includes all four rural seats in WA, all of which are still pretty safe. It includes both rural seats of SA (Mayo is a mixed rural/suburban seat that is held by the Centre Alliance). The two Tas seats with no Hobartian toehold are also with the Libs: Bass is still marginal.
There are 12 rural/regional/semirural seats in Victoria. 3 of these are held by the Nationals securely. 3 are safe Labor, 1 is now comfortably held by an independent. Nearer the coast there are 5 Lib held seats: they had a bit of a scare in Wannon and Casey. Victoria is unusual in that the Coalition allows Liberal and National candidates to run against each other in some seats.
Rural and regional NSW is dominated by the National party. Exceptions are some Labor areas (around the central coast, the Tweed, the south-east of the state. There are two pretty safe rural Liberal seats: Farrer in the west, and Hume which is a mixed suburban/rural seat.
In Qld the Liberals hold most of the SEQ. They hold several seats throughout the rest of the state including Leichhardt in the Cape, Herbert in Tville, Dawson which is centred on Mackay, and Wide Bay. The only ALP seat that could be considered even semirural is Blair which extents from Ipswich throughout the Lockyer valley. Apart from that the Nationals hold 4 seats and Katter will retain Kennedy forever.
Labor Won
Ha ha haaa Liberals.
dv said:
The maps of the capitals (plus Newcastle area) tell a story.The Coalition has no representation in the territories or Hobart area.
Their sole representation in Perth and urban environs is Ian Goodenough up in Moore, who hung on 51-49.
Likewise, they only have one representative in Adelaide, James Stevens in Sturt, again 51-49.
You have a fair drive from the CBD before you reach the blue line of contact in Melbourne, but the wall at Croydon Hills did hold as the Libs retained Menzies 51-49, Aston 53-47, and will probably cling to Deakin.
They still have a fair amount of territory in the suburbs around Sydney. In the south around Botany Bay they have kept Banks, Cook and Hughes quite comfortably. In the north, Mitchell, Bradfield, Berowra are also quite safe, as is Lindsay out in Penrith.
Newcastle and the Central Coast are fully red.
Their main piece of good news is in Brisbane and SEQ generally. Their only losses were to the Greens in Ryan and Griffith. They still hold the entire Sunshine and Gold Coasts and the northern and southern exurbs plus Bonner and Bowman. Although they did suffer a decent swing, the only one of their seats that could be considered marginal is Dickson on 52-48.
It paints a picture of where the Liberals stand now. They came within 1% of being completely vanquished from every population centre apart from Brisbane and Sydney but in the latter they still have some areas that they can rely on and in the former they are very dominant except quite close to the city.
They also have a base in rural and regional areas that are not contested by the Nationals. This includes all four rural seats in WA, all of which are still pretty safe. It includes both rural seats of SA (Mayo is a mixed rural/suburban seat that is held by the Centre Alliance). The two Tas seats with no Hobartian toehold are also with the Libs: Bass is still marginal.
There are 12 rural/regional/semirural seats in Victoria. 3 of these are held by the Nationals securely. 3 are safe Labor, 1 is now comfortably held by an independent. Nearer the coast there are 5 Lib held seats: they had a bit of a scare in Wannon and Casey. Victoria is unusual in that the Coalition allows Liberal and National candidates to run against each other in some seats.Rural and regional NSW is dominated by the National party. Exceptions are some Labor areas (around the central coast, the Tweed, the south-east of the state. There are two pretty safe rural Liberal seats: Farrer in the west, and Hume which is a mixed suburban/rural seat.
In Qld the Liberals hold most of the SEQ. They hold several seats throughout the rest of the state including Leichhardt in the Cape, Herbert in Tville, Dawson which is centred on Mackay, and Wide Bay. The only ALP seat that could be considered even semirural is Blair which extents from Ipswich throughout the Lockyer valley. Apart from that the Nationals hold 4 seats and Katter will retain Kennedy forever.
QI
Why, I ask myself, do people in outer suburbs of Sydney align themselves with the country folk, rather than those from the inner city?
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
The maps of the capitals (plus Newcastle area) tell a story.The Coalition has no representation in the territories or Hobart area.
Their sole representation in Perth and urban environs is Ian Goodenough up in Moore, who hung on 51-49.
Likewise, they only have one representative in Adelaide, James Stevens in Sturt, again 51-49.
You have a fair drive from the CBD before you reach the blue line of contact in Melbourne, but the wall at Croydon Hills did hold as the Libs retained Menzies 51-49, Aston 53-47, and will probably cling to Deakin.
They still have a fair amount of territory in the suburbs around Sydney. In the south around Botany Bay they have kept Banks, Cook and Hughes quite comfortably. In the north, Mitchell, Bradfield, Berowra are also quite safe, as is Lindsay out in Penrith.
Newcastle and the Central Coast are fully red.
Their main piece of good news is in Brisbane and SEQ generally. Their only losses were to the Greens in Ryan and Griffith. They still hold the entire Sunshine and Gold Coasts and the northern and southern exurbs plus Bonner and Bowman. Although they did suffer a decent swing, the only one of their seats that could be considered marginal is Dickson on 52-48.
It paints a picture of where the Liberals stand now. They came within 1% of being completely vanquished from every population centre apart from Brisbane and Sydney but in the latter they still have some areas that they can rely on and in the former they are very dominant except quite close to the city.
They also have a base in rural and regional areas that are not contested by the Nationals. This includes all four rural seats in WA, all of which are still pretty safe. It includes both rural seats of SA (Mayo is a mixed rural/suburban seat that is held by the Centre Alliance). The two Tas seats with no Hobartian toehold are also with the Libs: Bass is still marginal.
There are 12 rural/regional/semirural seats in Victoria. 3 of these are held by the Nationals securely. 3 are safe Labor, 1 is now comfortably held by an independent. Nearer the coast there are 5 Lib held seats: they had a bit of a scare in Wannon and Casey. Victoria is unusual in that the Coalition allows Liberal and National candidates to run against each other in some seats.Rural and regional NSW is dominated by the National party. Exceptions are some Labor areas (around the central coast, the Tweed, the south-east of the state. There are two pretty safe rural Liberal seats: Farrer in the west, and Hume which is a mixed suburban/rural seat.
In Qld the Liberals hold most of the SEQ. They hold several seats throughout the rest of the state including Leichhardt in the Cape, Herbert in Tville, Dawson which is centred on Mackay, and Wide Bay. The only ALP seat that could be considered even semirural is Blair which extents from Ipswich throughout the Lockyer valley. Apart from that the Nationals hold 4 seats and Katter will retain Kennedy forever.
QI
Why, I ask myself, do people in outer suburbs of Sydney align themselves with the country folk, rather than those from the inner city?
Increase their rates until they stop it.
Not fact checked but it does seem like what that evil f’wit would do.
Tau.Neutrino said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
The maps of the capitals (plus Newcastle area) tell a story.The Coalition has no representation in the territories or Hobart area.
Their sole representation in Perth and urban environs is Ian Goodenough up in Moore, who hung on 51-49.
Likewise, they only have one representative in Adelaide, James Stevens in Sturt, again 51-49.
You have a fair drive from the CBD before you reach the blue line of contact in Melbourne, but the wall at Croydon Hills did hold as the Libs retained Menzies 51-49, Aston 53-47, and will probably cling to Deakin.
They still have a fair amount of territory in the suburbs around Sydney. In the south around Botany Bay they have kept Banks, Cook and Hughes quite comfortably. In the north, Mitchell, Bradfield, Berowra are also quite safe, as is Lindsay out in Penrith.
Newcastle and the Central Coast are fully red.
Their main piece of good news is in Brisbane and SEQ generally. Their only losses were to the Greens in Ryan and Griffith. They still hold the entire Sunshine and Gold Coasts and the northern and southern exurbs plus Bonner and Bowman. Although they did suffer a decent swing, the only one of their seats that could be considered marginal is Dickson on 52-48.
It paints a picture of where the Liberals stand now. They came within 1% of being completely vanquished from every population centre apart from Brisbane and Sydney but in the latter they still have some areas that they can rely on and in the former they are very dominant except quite close to the city.
They also have a base in rural and regional areas that are not contested by the Nationals. This includes all four rural seats in WA, all of which are still pretty safe. It includes both rural seats of SA (Mayo is a mixed rural/suburban seat that is held by the Centre Alliance). The two Tas seats with no Hobartian toehold are also with the Libs: Bass is still marginal.
There are 12 rural/regional/semirural seats in Victoria. 3 of these are held by the Nationals securely. 3 are safe Labor, 1 is now comfortably held by an independent. Nearer the coast there are 5 Lib held seats: they had a bit of a scare in Wannon and Casey. Victoria is unusual in that the Coalition allows Liberal and National candidates to run against each other in some seats.Rural and regional NSW is dominated by the National party. Exceptions are some Labor areas (around the central coast, the Tweed, the south-east of the state. There are two pretty safe rural Liberal seats: Farrer in the west, and Hume which is a mixed suburban/rural seat.
In Qld the Liberals hold most of the SEQ. They hold several seats throughout the rest of the state including Leichhardt in the Cape, Herbert in Tville, Dawson which is centred on Mackay, and Wide Bay. The only ALP seat that could be considered even semirural is Blair which extents from Ipswich throughout the Lockyer valley. Apart from that the Nationals hold 4 seats and Katter will retain Kennedy forever.
QI
Why, I ask myself, do people in outer suburbs of Sydney align themselves with the country folk, rather than those from the inner city?
Increase their rates until they stop it.
Not sure that is going to work.
Goodo Kristina, you’ll have plenty of time for hobnobbing with the Right now, unrestrained by work commitments.
“George Christensen was always careful to call me milady, and Jack van Tongeren and I are always up for a game of online mahjong.”
dv said:
Goodo Kristina, you’ll have plenty of time for hobnobbing with the Right now, unrestrained by work commitments.
“George Christensen was always careful to call me milady, and Jack van Tongeren and I are always up for a game of online mahjong.”
In real life for many of them the job is basically showbiz (as one might expect) and whether they’re right or left or whatever is part of the role they play for public consumption.
dv said:
Goodo Kristina, you’ll have plenty of time for hobnobbing with the Right now, unrestrained by work commitments.
“George Christensen was always careful to call me milady, and Jack van Tongeren and I are always up for a game of online mahjong.”
I have somehow evaded awareness of Jack van Tongeren until now.
He does indeed sound like a lovely bloke.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Goodo Kristina, you’ll have plenty of time for hobnobbing with the Right now, unrestrained by work commitments.
“George Christensen was always careful to call me milady, and Jack van Tongeren and I are always up for a game of online mahjong.”
In real life for many of them the job is basically showbiz (as one might expect) and whether they’re right or left or whatever is part of the role they play for public consumption.
Surely she should have given Peto a mention though.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Goodo Kristina, you’ll have plenty of time for hobnobbing with the Right now, unrestrained by work commitments.
“George Christensen was always careful to call me milady, and Jack van Tongeren and I are always up for a game of online mahjong.”
I have somehow evaded awareness of Jack van Tongeren until now.
He does indeed sound like a lovely bloke.
he was big over here in the West.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Goodo Kristina, you’ll have plenty of time for hobnobbing with the Right now, unrestrained by work commitments.
“George Christensen was always careful to call me milady, and Jack van Tongeren and I are always up for a game of online mahjong.”
I have somehow evaded awareness of Jack van Tongeren until now.
He does indeed sound like a lovely bloke.
It is a name I have not heard in a long time.
When I was in highschool, the youth groups of several local churches would arrange joint activities from time to time. A couple of times the activity was to go around the local area and remove all the posters his group had put up. Most of them being anti-asian. Back in the day, mainstream Christians regarded racism as a sin.
>Sky News commentator Peta Credlin argues that there are more votes on the right than the left in Australia.
So I assume the election was “stolen”.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/may/29/a-step-to-the-left-or-a-lurch-to-the-right-what-next-after-the-liberals-election-horror-show
Bubblecar said:
>Sky News commentator Peta Credlin argues that there are more votes on the right than the left in Australia.So I assume the election was “stolen”.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/may/29/a-step-to-the-left-or-a-lurch-to-the-right-what-next-after-the-liberals-election-horror-show
normal distribution says no.
party_pants said:
Bubblecar said:
>Sky News commentator Peta Credlin argues that there are more votes on the right than the left in Australia.So I assume the election was “stolen”.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/may/29/a-step-to-the-left-or-a-lurch-to-the-right-what-next-after-the-liberals-election-horror-show
normal distribution says no.
The combined primary vote of Labor and Greens dwarfs the Coalition primary vote.
Maybe Credlin think the Greens are “right”.
…and even with ON added to Coalition, it’s then:
Right: 40.4%
Left: 44.3%
I didn’t allocate UAP since they’re basically a pretend party that will promise anything to anyone.
https://kevinbonham.blogspot.com/2022/05/2022-house-of-reps-postcount-macnamara.html
https://www.pollbludger.net/2022/05/26/late-counting-rolling-coverage/
https://twitter.com/AntonyGreenElec/status/1530410212896583680?s=20&t=_arXuDnwxFe8-_KKkuTdUw
The Boffins are all saying Macnamara is looking better for Greens than it was a couple of days back and that this will be close as the merry dickens.
In an extended interview with Nine Newspapers on Sunday, Ms Keneally was asked by columnist Peter FitzSimmons whether the loss was because she went up against a local candidate while she was a “wealthy white woman from distant parts parachuted in.”
“I think the impact of the COVID lockdowns had far more to do with it and was far more at play on the day,” Ms Keneally replied.
“Those harsh lockdowns engendered an understandable sense of parochialism that the community had been left behind by both major political parties.
“And I genuinely believe that whether the Labor Party ran me or anyone else in Fowler, they would have encountered the same set of challenges.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-29/albanese-concedes-lessons-are-very-clear-from-fowler-loss/101108558
This is ROFL stuff. The cluelessness is very strong in this one.
sibeen said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-29/albanese-concedes-lessons-are-very-clear-from-fowler-loss/101108558
This is ROFL stuff. The cluelessness is very strong in this one.
Same delusions as afflict the L/NP: ‘it wasn’t us who got it wrong, it was the voters’.
sibeen said:
In an extended interview with Nine Newspapers on Sunday, Ms Keneally was asked by columnist Peter FitzSimmons whether the loss was because she went up against a local candidate while she was a “wealthy white woman from distant parts parachuted in.”“I think the impact of the COVID lockdowns had far more to do with it and was far more at play on the day,” Ms Keneally replied.
“Those harsh lockdowns engendered an understandable sense of parochialism that the community had been left behind by both major political parties.
“And I genuinely believe that whether the Labor Party ran me or anyone else in Fowler, they would have encountered the same set of challenges.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-29/albanese-concedes-lessons-are-very-clear-from-fowler-loss/101108558
This is ROFL stuff. The cluelessness is very strong in this one.
Some people have long thought the ALP overrated Keneally, and this election seems to prove them right.
sibeen said:
In an extended interview with Nine Newspapers on Sunday, Ms Keneally was asked by columnist Peter FitzSimmons whether the loss was because she went up against a local candidate while she was a “wealthy white woman from distant parts parachuted in.”“I think the impact of the COVID lockdowns had far more to do with it and was far more at play on the day,” Ms Keneally replied.
“Those harsh lockdowns engendered an understandable sense of parochialism that the community had been left behind by both major political parties.
“And I genuinely believe that whether the Labor Party ran me or anyone else in Fowler, they would have encountered the same set of challenges.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-29/albanese-concedes-lessons-are-very-clear-from-fowler-loss/101108558
This is ROFL stuff. The cluelessness is very strong in this one.
^
captain_spalding said:
sibeen said:https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-29/albanese-concedes-lessons-are-very-clear-from-fowler-loss/101108558
This is ROFL stuff. The cluelessness is very strong in this one.
Same delusions as afflict the L/NP: ‘it wasn’t us who got it wrong, it was the voters’.
^^
sibeen said:
In an extended interview with Nine Newspapers on Sunday, Ms Keneally was asked by columnist Peter FitzSimmons whether the loss was because she went up against a local candidate while she was a “wealthy white woman from distant parts parachuted in.”“I think the impact of the COVID lockdowns had far more to do with it and was far more at play on the day,” Ms Keneally replied.
“Those harsh lockdowns engendered an understandable sense of parochialism that the community had been left behind by both major political parties.
“And I genuinely believe that whether the Labor Party ran me or anyone else in Fowler, they would have encountered the same set of challenges.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-29/albanese-concedes-lessons-are-very-clear-from-fowler-loss/101108558
This is ROFL stuff. The cluelessness is very strong in this one.
Yeah. I think she’s trying to convince herself that she never had a chance.
Witty Rejoinder said:
sibeen said:
In an extended interview with Nine Newspapers on Sunday, Ms Keneally was asked by columnist Peter FitzSimmons whether the loss was because she went up against a local candidate while she was a “wealthy white woman from distant parts parachuted in.”“I think the impact of the COVID lockdowns had far more to do with it and was far more at play on the day,” Ms Keneally replied.
“Those harsh lockdowns engendered an understandable sense of parochialism that the community had been left behind by both major political parties.
“And I genuinely believe that whether the Labor Party ran me or anyone else in Fowler, they would have encountered the same set of challenges.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-29/albanese-concedes-lessons-are-very-clear-from-fowler-loss/101108558
This is ROFL stuff. The cluelessness is very strong in this one.
Yeah. I think she’s trying to convince herself that she never had a chance.
do you think she did
Witty Rejoinder said:
sibeen said:
In an extended interview with Nine Newspapers on Sunday, Ms Keneally was asked by columnist Peter FitzSimmons whether the loss was because she went up against a local candidate while she was a “wealthy white woman from distant parts parachuted in.”“I think the impact of the COVID lockdowns had far more to do with it and was far more at play on the day,” Ms Keneally replied.
“Those harsh lockdowns engendered an understandable sense of parochialism that the community had been left behind by both major political parties.
“And I genuinely believe that whether the Labor Party ran me or anyone else in Fowler, they would have encountered the same set of challenges.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-29/albanese-concedes-lessons-are-very-clear-from-fowler-loss/101108558
This is ROFL stuff. The cluelessness is very strong in this one.
Yeah. I think she’s trying to convince herself that she never had a chance.
probably an abuse of the concept of parochialism in there, but whatever, free country and all that
transition said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
sibeen said:
In an extended interview with Nine Newspapers on Sunday, Ms Keneally was asked by columnist Peter FitzSimmons whether the loss was because she went up against a local candidate while she was a “wealthy white woman from distant parts parachuted in.”“I think the impact of the COVID lockdowns had far more to do with it and was far more at play on the day,” Ms Keneally replied.
“Those harsh lockdowns engendered an understandable sense of parochialism that the community had been left behind by both major political parties.
“And I genuinely believe that whether the Labor Party ran me or anyone else in Fowler, they would have encountered the same set of challenges.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-29/albanese-concedes-lessons-are-very-clear-from-fowler-loss/101108558
This is ROFL stuff. The cluelessness is very strong in this one.
Yeah. I think she’s trying to convince herself that she never had a chance.
probably an abuse of the concept of parochialism in there, but whatever, free country and all that
Yeah parochialism certainly played a part with the punters choosing a local over a northern beaches blow-in.
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
sibeen said:
In an extended interview with Nine Newspapers on Sunday, Ms Keneally was asked by columnist Peter FitzSimmons whether the loss was because she went up against a local candidate while she was a “wealthy white woman from distant parts parachuted in.”“I think the impact of the COVID lockdowns had far more to do with it and was far more at play on the day,” Ms Keneally replied.
“Those harsh lockdowns engendered an understandable sense of parochialism that the community had been left behind by both major political parties.
“And I genuinely believe that whether the Labor Party ran me or anyone else in Fowler, they would have encountered the same set of challenges.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-29/albanese-concedes-lessons-are-very-clear-from-fowler-loss/101108558
This is ROFL stuff. The cluelessness is very strong in this one.
Yeah. I think she’s trying to convince herself that she never had a chance.
do you think she did
Wasn’t she one of the mean Labor girls.
dv said:
The maps of the capitals (plus Newcastle area) tell a story.The Coalition has no representation in the territories or Hobart area.
Their sole representation in Perth and urban environs is Ian Goodenough up in Moore, who hung on 51-49.
Likewise, they only have one representative in Adelaide, James Stevens in Sturt, again 51-49.
You have a fair drive from the CBD before you reach the blue line of contact in Melbourne, but the wall at Croydon Hills did hold as the Libs retained Menzies 51-49, Aston 53-47, and will probably cling to Deakin.
They still have a fair amount of territory in the suburbs around Sydney. In the south around Botany Bay they have kept Banks, Cook and Hughes quite comfortably. In the north, Mitchell, Bradfield, Berowra are also quite safe, as is Lindsay out in Penrith.
Newcastle and the Central Coast are fully red.
Their main piece of good news is in Brisbane and SEQ generally. Their only losses were to the Greens in Ryan and Griffith. They still hold the entire Sunshine and Gold Coasts and the northern and southern exurbs plus Bonner and Bowman. Although they did suffer a decent swing, the only one of their seats that could be considered marginal is Dickson on 52-48.
It paints a picture of where the Liberals stand now. They came within 1% of being completely vanquished from every population centre apart from Brisbane and Sydney but in the latter they still have some areas that they can rely on and in the former they are very dominant except quite close to the city.
They also have a base in rural and regional areas that are not contested by the Nationals. This includes all four rural seats in WA, all of which are still pretty safe. It includes both rural seats of SA (Mayo is a mixed rural/suburban seat that is held by the Centre Alliance). The two Tas seats with no Hobartian toehold are also with the Libs: Bass is still marginal.
There are 12 rural/regional/semirural seats in Victoria. 3 of these are held by the Nationals securely. 3 are safe Labor, 1 is now comfortably held by an independent. Nearer the coast there are 5 Lib held seats: they had a bit of a scare in Wannon and Casey. Victoria is unusual in that the Coalition allows Liberal and National candidates to run against each other in some seats.Rural and regional NSW is dominated by the National party. Exceptions are some Labor areas (around the central coast, the Tweed, the south-east of the state. There are two pretty safe rural Liberal seats: Farrer in the west, and Hume which is a mixed suburban/rural seat.
In Qld the Liberals hold most of the SEQ. They hold several seats throughout the rest of the state including Leichhardt in the Cape, Herbert in Tville, Dawson which is centred on Mackay, and Wide Bay. The only ALP seat that could be considered even semirural is Blair which extents from Ipswich throughout the Lockyer valley. Apart from that the Nationals hold 4 seats and Katter will retain Kennedy forever.
An increasing divide between rural and metropolitan areas makes our electoral map look a lot like the map in the US..
Peak Warming Man said:
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Yeah. I think she’s trying to convince herself that she never had a chance.
do you think she did
Wasn’t she one of the mean Labor girls.
whatever surely this is actually racism from the ASIAN voters who have xenophobic tendencies and can’t handle an outsider, an invader, a paratrooper, someone who has come to represent and tell them what they need for their own good
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
The maps of the capitals (plus Newcastle area) tell a story.The Coalition has no representation in the territories or Hobart area.
Their sole representation in Perth and urban environs is Ian Goodenough up in Moore, who hung on 51-49.
Likewise, they only have one representative in Adelaide, James Stevens in Sturt, again 51-49.
You have a fair drive from the CBD before you reach the blue line of contact in Melbourne, but the wall at Croydon Hills did hold as the Libs retained Menzies 51-49, Aston 53-47, and will probably cling to Deakin.
They still have a fair amount of territory in the suburbs around Sydney. In the south around Botany Bay they have kept Banks, Cook and Hughes quite comfortably. In the north, Mitchell, Bradfield, Berowra are also quite safe, as is Lindsay out in Penrith.
Newcastle and the Central Coast are fully red.
Their main piece of good news is in Brisbane and SEQ generally. Their only losses were to the Greens in Ryan and Griffith. They still hold the entire Sunshine and Gold Coasts and the northern and southern exurbs plus Bonner and Bowman. Although they did suffer a decent swing, the only one of their seats that could be considered marginal is Dickson on 52-48.
It paints a picture of where the Liberals stand now. They came within 1% of being completely vanquished from every population centre apart from Brisbane and Sydney but in the latter they still have some areas that they can rely on and in the former they are very dominant except quite close to the city.
They also have a base in rural and regional areas that are not contested by the Nationals. This includes all four rural seats in WA, all of which are still pretty safe. It includes both rural seats of SA (Mayo is a mixed rural/suburban seat that is held by the Centre Alliance). The two Tas seats with no Hobartian toehold are also with the Libs: Bass is still marginal.
There are 12 rural/regional/semirural seats in Victoria. 3 of these are held by the Nationals securely. 3 are safe Labor, 1 is now comfortably held by an independent. Nearer the coast there are 5 Lib held seats: they had a bit of a scare in Wannon and Casey. Victoria is unusual in that the Coalition allows Liberal and National candidates to run against each other in some seats.Rural and regional NSW is dominated by the National party. Exceptions are some Labor areas (around the central coast, the Tweed, the south-east of the state. There are two pretty safe rural Liberal seats: Farrer in the west, and Hume which is a mixed suburban/rural seat.
In Qld the Liberals hold most of the SEQ. They hold several seats throughout the rest of the state including Leichhardt in the Cape, Herbert in Tville, Dawson which is centred on Mackay, and Wide Bay. The only ALP seat that could be considered even semirural is Blair which extents from Ipswich throughout the Lockyer valley. Apart from that the Nationals hold 4 seats and Katter will retain Kennedy forever.
An increasing divide between rural and metropolitan areas makes our electoral map look a lot like the map in the US..
so what we need is for all those bogans to just fkn get with the program
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
The maps of the capitals (plus Newcastle area) tell a story.The Coalition has no representation in the territories or Hobart area.
Their sole representation in Perth and urban environs is Ian Goodenough up in Moore, who hung on 51-49.
Likewise, they only have one representative in Adelaide, James Stevens in Sturt, again 51-49.
You have a fair drive from the CBD before you reach the blue line of contact in Melbourne, but the wall at Croydon Hills did hold as the Libs retained Menzies 51-49, Aston 53-47, and will probably cling to Deakin.
They still have a fair amount of territory in the suburbs around Sydney. In the south around Botany Bay they have kept Banks, Cook and Hughes quite comfortably. In the north, Mitchell, Bradfield, Berowra are also quite safe, as is Lindsay out in Penrith.
Newcastle and the Central Coast are fully red.
Their main piece of good news is in Brisbane and SEQ generally. Their only losses were to the Greens in Ryan and Griffith. They still hold the entire Sunshine and Gold Coasts and the northern and southern exurbs plus Bonner and Bowman. Although they did suffer a decent swing, the only one of their seats that could be considered marginal is Dickson on 52-48.
It paints a picture of where the Liberals stand now. They came within 1% of being completely vanquished from every population centre apart from Brisbane and Sydney but in the latter they still have some areas that they can rely on and in the former they are very dominant except quite close to the city.
They also have a base in rural and regional areas that are not contested by the Nationals. This includes all four rural seats in WA, all of which are still pretty safe. It includes both rural seats of SA (Mayo is a mixed rural/suburban seat that is held by the Centre Alliance). The two Tas seats with no Hobartian toehold are also with the Libs: Bass is still marginal.
There are 12 rural/regional/semirural seats in Victoria. 3 of these are held by the Nationals securely. 3 are safe Labor, 1 is now comfortably held by an independent. Nearer the coast there are 5 Lib held seats: they had a bit of a scare in Wannon and Casey. Victoria is unusual in that the Coalition allows Liberal and National candidates to run against each other in some seats.Rural and regional NSW is dominated by the National party. Exceptions are some Labor areas (around the central coast, the Tweed, the south-east of the state. There are two pretty safe rural Liberal seats: Farrer in the west, and Hume which is a mixed suburban/rural seat.
In Qld the Liberals hold most of the SEQ. They hold several seats throughout the rest of the state including Leichhardt in the Cape, Herbert in Tville, Dawson which is centred on Mackay, and Wide Bay. The only ALP seat that could be considered even semirural is Blair which extents from Ipswich throughout the Lockyer valley. Apart from that the Nationals hold 4 seats and Katter will retain Kennedy forever.
An increasing divide between rural and metropolitan areas makes our electoral map look a lot like the map in the US..
well, maybe if all those abstainers in the white areas voted…
Arts said:
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
The maps of the capitals (plus Newcastle area) tell a story.The Coalition has no representation in the territories or Hobart area.
Their sole representation in Perth and urban environs is Ian Goodenough up in Moore, who hung on 51-49.
Likewise, they only have one representative in Adelaide, James Stevens in Sturt, again 51-49.
You have a fair drive from the CBD before you reach the blue line of contact in Melbourne, but the wall at Croydon Hills did hold as the Libs retained Menzies 51-49, Aston 53-47, and will probably cling to Deakin.
They still have a fair amount of territory in the suburbs around Sydney. In the south around Botany Bay they have kept Banks, Cook and Hughes quite comfortably. In the north, Mitchell, Bradfield, Berowra are also quite safe, as is Lindsay out in Penrith.
Newcastle and the Central Coast are fully red.
Their main piece of good news is in Brisbane and SEQ generally. Their only losses were to the Greens in Ryan and Griffith. They still hold the entire Sunshine and Gold Coasts and the northern and southern exurbs plus Bonner and Bowman. Although they did suffer a decent swing, the only one of their seats that could be considered marginal is Dickson on 52-48.
It paints a picture of where the Liberals stand now. They came within 1% of being completely vanquished from every population centre apart from Brisbane and Sydney but in the latter they still have some areas that they can rely on and in the former they are very dominant except quite close to the city.
They also have a base in rural and regional areas that are not contested by the Nationals. This includes all four rural seats in WA, all of which are still pretty safe. It includes both rural seats of SA (Mayo is a mixed rural/suburban seat that is held by the Centre Alliance). The two Tas seats with no Hobartian toehold are also with the Libs: Bass is still marginal.
There are 12 rural/regional/semirural seats in Victoria. 3 of these are held by the Nationals securely. 3 are safe Labor, 1 is now comfortably held by an independent. Nearer the coast there are 5 Lib held seats: they had a bit of a scare in Wannon and Casey. Victoria is unusual in that the Coalition allows Liberal and National candidates to run against each other in some seats.Rural and regional NSW is dominated by the National party. Exceptions are some Labor areas (around the central coast, the Tweed, the south-east of the state. There are two pretty safe rural Liberal seats: Farrer in the west, and Hume which is a mixed suburban/rural seat.
In Qld the Liberals hold most of the SEQ. They hold several seats throughout the rest of the state including Leichhardt in the Cape, Herbert in Tville, Dawson which is centred on Mackay, and Wide Bay. The only ALP seat that could be considered even semirural is Blair which extents from Ipswich throughout the Lockyer valley. Apart from that the Nationals hold 4 seats and Katter will retain Kennedy forever.
An increasing divide between rural and metropolitan areas makes our electoral map look a lot like the map in the US..
well, maybe if all those abstainers in the white areas voted…
uh what’s the population of open sea
Witty Rejoinder said:
sibeen said:
In an extended interview with Nine Newspapers on Sunday, Ms Keneally was asked by columnist Peter FitzSimmons whether the loss was because she went up against a local candidate while she was a “wealthy white woman from distant parts parachuted in.”“I think the impact of the COVID lockdowns had far more to do with it and was far more at play on the day,” Ms Keneally replied.
“Those harsh lockdowns engendered an understandable sense of parochialism that the community had been left behind by both major political parties.
“And I genuinely believe that whether the Labor Party ran me or anyone else in Fowler, they would have encountered the same set of challenges.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-29/albanese-concedes-lessons-are-very-clear-from-fowler-loss/101108558
This is ROFL stuff. The cluelessness is very strong in this one.
Yeah. I think she’s trying to convince herself that she never had a chance.
I mean maybe she should have just refused to be selected over the locally preferred candidate? She lost a safe Labor seat, a seat that has literally always been Labor’s since the seat was created 40 years ago, in any environment of an election with a 3% swing to Labor in NSW where they picked up Reid, Robertson and Bennelong, looks like KKK’s vanity project will end up costing the ALP majority.
I don’t know who it was that thought she could get through on her star power. A reminder of her history. She, as the darling of the Right somehow displaced Nathan Rees as premier and then lost the election in a record-breaking swing. She then went to work for Sky News. She got a big break being selected to run in the Bennelong by-election in 2017, and lost that to a tennis player. Got parachuted into the Senate as a casual replacement, got parachuted out of the Senate into a safe Labor seat over the wishes of the branch and shock she loses that as well. What in her whole history suggested she had throngs or adoring fans that would let her coast to victory.
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
sibeen said:
In an extended interview with Nine Newspapers on Sunday, Ms Keneally was asked by columnist Peter FitzSimmons whether the loss was because she went up against a local candidate while she was a “wealthy white woman from distant parts parachuted in.”“I think the impact of the COVID lockdowns had far more to do with it and was far more at play on the day,” Ms Keneally replied.
“Those harsh lockdowns engendered an understandable sense of parochialism that the community had been left behind by both major political parties.
“And I genuinely believe that whether the Labor Party ran me or anyone else in Fowler, they would have encountered the same set of challenges.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-29/albanese-concedes-lessons-are-very-clear-from-fowler-loss/101108558
This is ROFL stuff. The cluelessness is very strong in this one.
Yeah. I think she’s trying to convince herself that she never had a chance.
I mean maybe she should have just refused to be selected over the locally preferred candidate? She lost a safe Labor seat, a seat that has literally always been Labor’s since the seat was created 40 years ago, in any environment of an election with a 3% swing to Labor in NSW where they picked up Reid, Robertson and Bennelong, looks like KKK’s vanity project will end up costing the ALP majority.
I don’t know who it was that thought she could get through on her star power. A reminder of her history. She, as the darling of the Right somehow displaced Nathan Rees as premier and then lost the election in a record-breaking swing. She then went to work for Sky News. She got a big break being selected to run in the Bennelong by-election in 2017, and lost that to a tennis player. Got parachuted into the Senate as a casual replacement, got parachuted out of the Senate into a safe Labor seat over the wishes of the branch and shock she loses that as well. What in her whole history suggested she had throngs or adoring fans that would let her coast to victory.
The lesson for the Labor party is that you can’t just put someone’s face on a poster and get them elected any more, no matter how ‘safe’ the seat.
The word ‘representative’ needs to have more attention paid to it.
Boris said:
Pay that one.
captain_spalding said:
Boris said:
Pay that one.
Except that it insults dogs.
captain_spalding said:
Boris said:
Pay that one.
except it is hard to work out who is the dog and who are the arseholes.
Boris said:
That is just brilliant, would have taken a bit of thinking out.
Probably the work of some left wing intellectuals for sure.
party_pants said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Goodo Kristina, you’ll have plenty of time for hobnobbing with the Right now, unrestrained by work commitments.
“George Christensen was always careful to call me milady, and Jack van Tongeren and I are always up for a game of online mahjong.”
I have somehow evaded awareness of Jack van Tongeren until now.
He does indeed sound like a lovely bloke.
It is a name I have not heard in a long time.
When I was in highschool, the youth groups of several local churches would arrange joint activities from time to time. A couple of times the activity was to go around the local area and remove all the posters his group had put up. Most of them being anti-asian. Back in the day, mainstream Christians regarded racism as a sin.
Ah nostalgia
Bubblecar said:
>Sky News commentator Peta Credlin argues that there are more votes on the right than the left in Australia.So I assume the election was “stolen”.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/may/29/a-step-to-the-left-or-a-lurch-to-the-right-what-next-after-the-liberals-election-horror-show
Maybe she’s a socialist like me and regards half of the Labor party as right wing
Boris said:
LOLOL
sarahs mum said:
captain_spalding said:
Boris said:
Pay that one.
except it is hard to work out who is the dog and who are the arseholes.
Take your pick, I reckon.
Peak Warming Man said:
Boris said:
That is just brilliant, would have taken a bit of thinking out.
Probably the work of some left wing intellectuals for sure.
must be because there are none on the right.
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:
captain_spalding said:Pay that one.
except it is hard to work out who is the dog and who are the arseholes.
Take your pick, I reckon.
I think that is the unsaid thing that people can say.
Drilling into the Brisbane number does give some interesting results. It seems that among the minor parties of the right, a lot more people preferenced the Greens than Labor. This includes One Nation voters despite the fact that ON’s how to vote cards told them to put Greens dead last. I don’t particularly feel one way or another about that except I’m glad people are ignoring the HTV cards and making their own choices.
dv said:
Drilling into the Brisbane number does give some interesting results. It seems that among the minor parties of the right, a lot more people preferenced the Greens than Labor. This includes One Nation voters despite the fact that ON’s how to vote cards told them to put Greens dead last. I don’t particularly feel one way or another about that except I’m glad people are ignoring the HTV cards and making their own choices.
it does show that voters seem more educated these days.
Boris said:
dv said:
Drilling into the Brisbane number does give some interesting results. It seems that among the minor parties of the right, a lot more people preferenced the Greens than Labor. This includes One Nation voters despite the fact that ON’s how to vote cards told them to put Greens dead last. I don’t particularly feel one way or another about that except I’m glad people are ignoring the HTV cards and making their own choices.
it does show that voters seem more educated these days.
Voting One Nation while preferencing Greens doesn’t sound “educated” to me.
It sounds very Margaret.
Bubblecar said:
Boris said:
dv said:
Drilling into the Brisbane number does give some interesting results. It seems that among the minor parties of the right, a lot more people preferenced the Greens than Labor. This includes One Nation voters despite the fact that ON’s how to vote cards told them to put Greens dead last. I don’t particularly feel one way or another about that except I’m glad people are ignoring the HTV cards and making their own choices.
it does show that voters seem more educated these days.
Voting One Nation while preferencing Greens doesn’t sound “educated” to me.
It sounds very Margaret.
it was more a reference to not needing a HTV card.
Boris said:
Bubblecar said:
Boris said:it does show that voters seem more educated these days.
Voting One Nation while preferencing Greens doesn’t sound “educated” to me.
It sounds very Margaret.
it was more a reference to not needing a HTV card.
are we saying they did their own research
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/peter-dutton-has-the-worldview-of-a-queensland-cop-it-s-in-our-interests-to-give-him-a-go-20220527-p5ap3u.html
SCIENCE said:
Boris said:
Bubblecar said:Voting One Nation while preferencing Greens doesn’t sound “educated” to me.
It sounds very Margaret.
it was more a reference to not needing a HTV card.
are we saying they did their own research
no. but it is on the cards.
Bubblecar said:
Boris said:
dv said:
Drilling into the Brisbane number does give some interesting results. It seems that among the minor parties of the right, a lot more people preferenced the Greens than Labor. This includes One Nation voters despite the fact that ON’s how to vote cards told them to put Greens dead last. I don’t particularly feel one way or another about that except I’m glad people are ignoring the HTV cards and making their own choices.
it does show that voters seem more educated these days.
Voting One Nation while preferencing Greens doesn’t sound “educated” to me.
It sounds very Margaret.
At least Margaret is happy that so many other people voted for the Greens.
dv said:
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/peter-dutton-has-the-worldview-of-a-queensland-cop-it-s-in-our-interests-to-give-him-a-go-20220527-p5ap3u.html
Those two statements don’t seem to fit well together.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/peter-dutton-has-the-worldview-of-a-queensland-cop-it-s-in-our-interests-to-give-him-a-go-20220527-p5ap3u.html
Those two statements don’t seem to fit well together.
if you have a go you get a go
Boris said:
SCIENCE said:
Boris said:it was more a reference to not needing a HTV card.
are we saying they did their own research
no. but it is on the cards.
You’re quite a card yourself
dv said:
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/peter-dutton-has-the-worldview-of-a-queensland-cop-it-s-in-our-interests-to-give-him-a-go-20220527-p5ap3u.html
“I have seen the wonderful, kind nature of people willing to offer any assistance to those in their worst hour, and I have seen the sickening behaviour displayed by people who, frankly, barely justify their existence,” he said in his 2001 maiden speech in parliament.
…barely justify their existence.
barely justify their existence.
dv said:
Boris said:
SCIENCE said:are we saying they did their own research
no. but it is on the cards.
You’re quite a card yourself
yes a mix between the king of hearts and the ace of spades. with a dash of joker thrown in.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/peter-dutton-has-the-worldview-of-a-queensland-cop-it-s-in-our-interests-to-give-him-a-go-20220527-p5ap3u.html
Those two statements don’t seem to fit well together.
Worldview of the Queensland Cops when Dutton was there
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinkenba_Six
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/peter-dutton-has-the-worldview-of-a-queensland-cop-it-s-in-our-interests-to-give-him-a-go-20220527-p5ap3u.html
“I have seen the wonderful, kind nature of people willing to offer any assistance to those in their worst hour, and I have seen the sickening behaviour displayed by people who, frankly, barely justify their existence,” he said in his 2001 maiden speech in parliament.
…barely justify their existence.
barely justify their existence.
Can the bad cop play good cop?
Not for very long, I’d wager.
Boris said:
dv said:
Boris said:no. but it is on the cards.
You’re quite a card yourself
yes a mix between the king of hearts and the ace of spades. with a dash of joker thrown in.
I was thinking more of
dv said:
Boris said:
dv said:
You’re quite a card yourself
yes a mix between the king of hearts and the ace of spades. with a dash of joker thrown in.
I was thinking more of
why is Dutton the one not in the cap
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Yeah. I think she’s trying to convince herself that she never had a chance.
I mean maybe she should have just refused to be selected over the locally preferred candidate? She lost a safe Labor seat, a seat that has literally always been Labor’s since the seat was created 40 years ago, in any environment of an election with a 3% swing to Labor in NSW where they picked up Reid, Robertson and Bennelong, looks like KKK’s vanity project will end up costing the ALP majority.
I don’t know who it was that thought she could get through on her star power. A reminder of her history. She, as the darling of the Right somehow displaced Nathan Rees as premier and then lost the election in a record-breaking swing. She then went to work for Sky News. She got a big break being selected to run in the Bennelong by-election in 2017, and lost that to a tennis player. Got parachuted into the Senate as a casual replacement, got parachuted out of the Senate into a safe Labor seat over the wishes of the branch and shock she loses that as well. What in her whole history suggested she had throngs or adoring fans that would let her coast to victory.
The lesson for the Labor party is that you can’t just put someone’s face on a poster and get them elected any more, no matter how ‘safe’ the seat.
The word ‘representative’ needs to have more attention paid to it.
Boris said:
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:except it is hard to work out who is the dog and who are the arseholes.
Take your pick, I reckon.
I think that is the unsaid thing that people can say.
There, I said it.
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/peter-dutton-has-the-worldview-of-a-queensland-cop-it-s-in-our-interests-to-give-him-a-go-20220527-p5ap3u.html
“I have seen the wonderful, kind nature of people willing to offer any assistance to those in their worst hour, and I have seen the sickening behaviour displayed by people who, frankly, barely justify their existence,” he said in his 2001 maiden speech in parliament.
…barely justify their existence.
barely justify their existence.
Can the bad cop play good cop?
Not for very long, I’d wager.
I wonder what she means by “it’s in our interests to give him a go.”
It’s not up to us whether he gets a go or not. But maybe she’s speaking as a Liberal Party member.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/peter-dutton-has-the-worldview-of-a-queensland-cop-it-s-in-our-interests-to-give-him-a-go-20220527-p5ap3u.html
“I have seen the wonderful, kind nature of people willing to offer any assistance to those in their worst hour, and I have seen the sickening behaviour displayed by people who, frankly, barely justify their existence,” he said in his 2001 maiden speech in parliament.
…barely justify their existence.
barely justify their existence.
Oh, I’ve plenty of instances where that would be the case.
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/peter-dutton-has-the-worldview-of-a-queensland-cop-it-s-in-our-interests-to-give-him-a-go-20220527-p5ap3u.html
“I have seen the wonderful, kind nature of people willing to offer any assistance to those in their worst hour, and I have seen the sickening behaviour displayed by people who, frankly, barely justify their existence,” he said in his 2001 maiden speech in parliament.
…barely justify their existence.
barely justify their existence.
Oh, I’ve plenty of instances where that would be the case.
Insert a seen somewhere up there.
I offer my thoughts and prayers, Mr Beeny Boy. I condole you.
Filth they are. Absolute Filth.
Early doors but it seems that the Covid phone-voting results are pretty good for Labor .
E.g. Flinders went 57-43 for Libs, but the Covid EAV results are 47-53.
OTOH there’s only going to be about 500 of these per seat on average.
dv said:
Early doors but it seems that the Covid phone-voting results are pretty good for Labor .E.g. Flinders went 57-43 for Libs, but the Covid EAV results are 47-53.
OTOH there’s only going to be about 500 of these per seat on average.
What’s the point of delaying the count for phoned in votes?
Even for postal votes, why not count as they come in?
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Early doors but it seems that the Covid phone-voting results are pretty good for Labor .E.g. Flinders went 57-43 for Libs, but the Covid EAV results are 47-53.
OTOH there’s only going to be about 500 of these per seat on average.
What’s the point of delaying the count for phoned in votes?
Even for postal votes, why not count as they come in?
Because the results have to be kept secret and that is very, very hard to do. Someone will want to leak out the way things are going.
buffy said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Early doors but it seems that the Covid phone-voting results are pretty good for Labor .E.g. Flinders went 57-43 for Libs, but the Covid EAV results are 47-53.
OTOH there’s only going to be about 500 of these per seat on average.
What’s the point of delaying the count for phoned in votes?
Even for postal votes, why not count as they come in?
Because the results have to be kept secret and that is very, very hard to do. Someone will want to leak out the way things are going.
I mean count as they come in after close of polling, and for phone ins start counting them as soon as polling closes.
The Rev Dodgson said:
buffy said:
The Rev Dodgson said:What’s the point of delaying the count for phoned in votes?
Even for postal votes, why not count as they come in?
Because the results have to be kept secret and that is very, very hard to do. Someone will want to leak out the way things are going.
I mean count as they come in after close of polling, and for phone ins start counting them as soon as polling closes.
Mrs Cymek has been working all day every day since the election, collating votes, double/triple checking, etc
The Rev Dodgson said:
buffy said:
The Rev Dodgson said:What’s the point of delaying the count for phoned in votes?
Even for postal votes, why not count as they come in?
Because the results have to be kept secret and that is very, very hard to do. Someone will want to leak out the way things are going.
I mean count as they come in after close of polling, and for phone ins start counting them as soon as polling closes.
They have to start somewhere, so they start with the booths. And I guess you just have to think of the postals as another booth that they get to at some point in the process. I think there is still a couple of days yet for postals to arrive.
Cymek said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
buffy said:Because the results have to be kept secret and that is very, very hard to do. Someone will want to leak out the way things are going.
I mean count as they come in after close of polling, and for phone ins start counting them as soon as polling closes.
Mrs Cymek has been working all day every day since the election, collating votes, double/triple checking, etc
Well I’m glad she’s keeping busy, but that doesn’t answer the question.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Cymek said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I mean count as they come in after close of polling, and for phone ins start counting them as soon as polling closes.
Mrs Cymek has been working all day every day since the election, collating votes, double/triple checking, etc
Well I’m glad she’s keeping busy, but that doesn’t answer the question.
No
Ah, it seems they have been counting postals since polls closed.
https://www.aec.gov.au/media/2022/05-27.htm
buffy said:
Ah, it seems they have been counting postals since polls closed.https://www.aec.gov.au/media/2022/05-27.htm
Read the count timeline bit.
buffy said:
Ah, it seems they have been counting postals since polls closed.https://www.aec.gov.au/media/2022/05-27.htm
Thanks buffy.
I’m glad they followed my advice then ;)
buffy said:
buffy said:
Ah, it seems they have been counting postals since polls closed.https://www.aec.gov.au/media/2022/05-27.htm
Read the count timeline bit.
Although having read that I don’t understand why the % counted is still only 78.9% (as of 4 minutes ago).
The Beetrooter has gone.
We have little to be proud about.
Woodie said:
The Beetrooter has gone.We have little to be proud about.
Being a root vegetable, he’ll be back.
Woodie said:
The Beetrooter has gone.We have little to be proud about.
Beetroot….gone….
A slap in the face for beetroot.
hehe.
Woodie said:
The Beetrooter has gone.We have little to be proud about.
Barnaby’s concession speech: “Fuck the lot of you, I don’t give a fuck.”
Up to Step 4 of assembly but it’s time for a break.
Might as well give the older sister a call.
Bubblecar said:
Up to Step 4 of assembly but it’s time for a break.Might as well give the older sister a call.
oops
I wonder if the UAP feel they got their money’s worth
sarahs mum said:
Soft on tax avoidance..
Knew he had a softer side
Cymek said:
I wonder if the UAP feel they got their money’s worth
the other night it crossed my mind.. how would fatso have done if he had gone the philanthropist route. ie how many votes could he have got from giving the money away to communities that needed it more than rupert.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Early doors but it seems that the Covid phone-voting results are pretty good for Labor .E.g. Flinders went 57-43 for Libs, but the Covid EAV results are 47-53.
OTOH there’s only going to be about 500 of these per seat on average.
What’s the point of delaying the count for phoned in votes?
Even for postal votes, why not count as they come in?
They’ve been counting and announcing the count for postals since election day.
Why there is a delay for the phone votes, I don’t know.
Not unhappy to see the back of Joyce.
dv said:
Not unhappy to see the back of Joyce.
+1
ABC News
7 mins ·
Peter Dutton has been elected unopposed as the new leader of the Liberal Party, with Sussan Ley his deputy.
He says he’s not going to change who he is, but wants other people to see the entire person he is.
dv said:
Meanwhile I’m happy Gilmore is looking somewhat better for the ALP, the margin going from 286 to 253 since yesterday.
The margin is now 142.
dv said:
dv said:
Meanwhile I’m happy Gilmore is looking somewhat better for the ALP, the margin going from 286 to 253 since yesterday.
The margin is now 142.
is that better though
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
dv said:
Meanwhile I’m happy Gilmore is looking somewhat better for the ALP, the margin going from 286 to 253 since yesterday.
The margin is now 142.
is that better though
Well, I’m happy for the ALP to win seats and the narrowing of that margin over the last few days makes that more likely. I’d be expecting that with the Covid phone votes it will end up being a double-digit margin and then we’ll just have to see what the remaining postals and absents do.
dv said:
SCIENCE said:dv said:
The margin is now 142.
is that better though
Well, I’m happy for the ALP to win seats and the narrowing of that margin over the last few days makes that more likely. I’d be expecting that with the Covid phone votes it will end up being a double-digit margin and then we’ll just have to see what the remaining postals and absents do.
Yeah, but it is confusing when you’re stating that the margin of ALP victory is decreasing whilst at the same time saying that things are looking better for the ALP.
sibeen said:
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
is that better though
Well, I’m happy for the ALP to win seats and the narrowing of that margin over the last few days makes that more likely. I’d be expecting that with the Covid phone votes it will end up being a double-digit margin and then we’ll just have to see what the remaining postals and absents do.
Yeah, but it is confusing when you’re stating that the margin of ALP victory is decreasing whilst at the same time saying that things are looking better for the ALP.
Holy shit, forgive my derp.
It seems that is has gone from a 300-odd Lib lead to a 142 ALP lead so it’s a somewhat better situation than I thought.
sarahs mum said:
ABC News
7 mins ·
Peter Dutton has been elected unopposed as the new leader of the Liberal Party, with Sussan Ley his deputy.
He says he’s not going to change who he is, but wants other people to see the entire person he is.
i.e., the genuine nasty bits and the fake nice bits.
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
ABC News
7 mins ·
Peter Dutton has been elected unopposed as the new leader of the Liberal Party, with Sussan Ley his deputy.
He says he’s not going to change who he is, but wants other people to see the entire person he is.
i.e., the genuine nasty bits and the fake nice bits.
A lizard overlord I wonder
have to say, I know nothing about Perin Davey, but it’s unusual to be party dep after only 3 years in parliament.
WP tells me she was an extra in Two Hands.
Cymek said:
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
ABC News
7 mins ·
Peter Dutton has been elected unopposed as the new leader of the Liberal Party, with Sussan Ley his deputy.
He says he’s not going to change who he is, but wants other people to see the entire person he is.
i.e., the genuine nasty bits and the fake nice bits.
A lizard overlord I wonder
Over the lizard line
dv said:
Damn those people with long memories…
dv said:
Typical.
Hmmm …
Antony Green has not called Macnamara and nor have my other favourite seffy bois but the ABC reckons they’ve seen enough. Inasmuch, the ABC says that the ALP has won majority government.
The Covid phone votes came in fairly well for Labor in Macnamara, as follows
Labor 35%
Greens 32%
Liberals 22% (!!!)
The Covid phone votes have not been added to Gilmore yet. Given that so far they’ve been pretty Laborish elsewhere, perhaps the ALP might be feeling somewhat bullish on their chances in Gilmore.
dv said:
Hmmm …Antony Green has not called Macnamara and nor have my other favourite seffy bois but the ABC reckons they’ve seen enough. Inasmuch, the ABC says that the ALP has won majority government.
The Covid phone votes came in fairly well for Labor in Macnamara, as follows
Labor 35%
Greens 32%
Liberals 22% (!!!)The Covid phone votes have not been added to Gilmore yet. Given that so far they’ve been pretty Laborish elsewhere, perhaps the ALP might be feeling somewhat bullish on their chances in Gilmore.
The Gran has also decided to allocate 76 seats to Labor – the commie bastards.
sibeen said:
dv said:
Hmmm …Antony Green has not called Macnamara and nor have my other favourite seffy bois but the ABC reckons they’ve seen enough. Inasmuch, the ABC says that the ALP has won majority government.
The Covid phone votes came in fairly well for Labor in Macnamara, as follows
Labor 35%
Greens 32%
Liberals 22% (!!!)The Covid phone votes have not been added to Gilmore yet. Given that so far they’ve been pretty Laborish elsewhere, perhaps the ALP might be feeling somewhat bullish on their chances in Gilmore.
The Gran has also decided to allocate 76 seats to Labor – the commie bastards.
They’re saying Antony Green called Macnamara for Labor…
Bubblecar said:
sibeen said:
dv said:
Hmmm …Antony Green has not called Macnamara and nor have my other favourite seffy bois but the ABC reckons they’ve seen enough. Inasmuch, the ABC says that the ALP has won majority government.
The Covid phone votes came in fairly well for Labor in Macnamara, as follows
Labor 35%
Greens 32%
Liberals 22% (!!!)The Covid phone votes have not been added to Gilmore yet. Given that so far they’ve been pretty Laborish elsewhere, perhaps the ALP might be feeling somewhat bullish on their chances in Gilmore.
The Gran has also decided to allocate 76 seats to Labor – the commie bastards.
They’re saying Antony Green called Macnamara for Labor…
I can’t find that. Link?
dv said:
Bubblecar said:
sibeen said:The Gran has also decided to allocate 76 seats to Labor – the commie bastards.
They’re saying Antony Green called Macnamara for Labor…
I can’t find that. Link?
It’s just stated in this Guardian article:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/may/30/labor-secures-majority-government-despite-record-non-major-party-vote-and-crossbench
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Bubblecar said:They’re saying Antony Green called Macnamara for Labor…
I can’t find that. Link?
It’s just stated in this Guardian article:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/may/30/labor-secures-majority-government-despite-record-non-major-party-vote-and-crossbench
Very well. It’s odd that the ABC pieces on the topic do not mention him.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Bubblecar said:They’re saying Antony Green called Macnamara for Labor…
I can’t find that. Link?
It’s just stated in this Guardian article:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/may/30/labor-secures-majority-government-despite-record-non-major-party-vote-and-crossbench
The ABC site is stating:
The ABC election computer is projecting that Labor will hold at least 76 seats — the minimum required to form a majority government.
Nothing about Antony.
dv said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:I can’t find that. Link?
It’s just stated in this Guardian article:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/may/30/labor-secures-majority-government-despite-record-non-major-party-vote-and-crossbench
Very well. It’s odd that the ABC pieces on the topic do not mention him.
Maybe they just assumed, since Antony is usually in charge of such matters at the ABC.
sibeen said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:I can’t find that. Link?
It’s just stated in this Guardian article:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/may/30/labor-secures-majority-government-despite-record-non-major-party-vote-and-crossbench
The ABC site is stating:
The ABC election computer is projecting that Labor will hold at least 76 seats — the minimum required to form a majority government.
Nothing about Antony.
My understanding is that Antony Green is the ABC election computer.
sibeen said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:I can’t find that. Link?
It’s just stated in this Guardian article:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/may/30/labor-secures-majority-government-despite-record-non-major-party-vote-and-crossbench
The ABC site is stating:
The ABC election computer is projecting that Labor will hold at least 76 seats — the minimum required to form a majority government.
Nothing about Antony.
I mean normally I’d regard the ALP as the press-wing of Antonio Verdi so it is a curious omission. He also hasn’t mentioned it on his Twitter whereas he normally does: like he got on to it immediately once he called Brisbane.
party_pants said:
sibeen said:
Bubblecar said:It’s just stated in this Guardian article:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/may/30/labor-secures-majority-government-despite-record-non-major-party-vote-and-crossbench
The ABC site is stating:
The ABC election computer is projecting that Labor will hold at least 76 seats — the minimum required to form a majority government.
Nothing about Antony.
My understanding is that Antony Green is the ABC election computer.
The computer wore tennis shoes.
And some here reckon I don’t know my movies – HA!
sibeen said:
party_pants said:
sibeen said:The ABC site is stating:
The ABC election computer is projecting that Labor will hold at least 76 seats — the minimum required to form a majority government.
Nothing about Antony.
My understanding is that Antony Green is the ABC election computer.
The computer wore tennis shoes.
And some here reckon I don’t know my movies – HA!
Well you’ve sent me to wikipedia
Holy shit Kurt Russell was in it in 1969?
He’s older than I thought.
dv said:
sibeen said:
party_pants said:My understanding is that Antony Green is the ABC election computer.
The computer wore tennis shoes.
And some here reckon I don’t know my movies – HA!
Well you’ve sent me to wikipedia
Holy shit Kurt Russell was in it in 1969?
He’s older than I thought.
71.
I wonder whether Joyce will get some cabinet position. If not then he’ll have plenty of time to spend with his families.
dv said:
I wonder whether Joyce will get some cabinet position. If not then he’ll have plenty of time to spend with his families.
he’ll be glad I reckon to get the government out of his life.
dv said:
I wonder whether Joyce will get some cabinet position. If not then he’ll have plenty of time to spend with his families.
Are his daughters still not talking to him, or have they made up?
I heard one of them had become a staffer for another right wing politician, so presumably they are in the same general camp again.
party_pants said:
dv said:
I wonder whether Joyce will get some cabinet position. If not then he’ll have plenty of time to spend with his families.
Are his daughters still not talking to him, or have they made up?
I heard one of them had become a staffer for another right wing politician, so presumably they are in the same general camp again.
was it for Littleproud?
Tell you fkn if the editorial team better not have called it without AG’s consent they should start sleeping with one eye open, maybe get someone else to start their cars.
dv said:
party_pants said:
dv said:
I wonder whether Joyce will get some cabinet position. If not then he’ll have plenty of time to spend with his families.
Are his daughters still not talking to him, or have they made up?
I heard one of them had become a staffer for another right wing politician, so presumably they are in the same general camp again.
was it for Littleproud?
I can’t memory. I thought it was a state politician.
sibeen said:
party_pants said:
sibeen said:The ABC site is stating:
The ABC election computer is projecting that Labor will hold at least 76 seats — the minimum required to form a majority government.
Nothing about Antony.
My understanding is that Antony Green is the ABC election computer.
The computer wore tennis shoes.
And some here reckon I don’t know my movies – HA!
A bit strange I don’t remember that, since it was released in 1969, when I was really into movie going.
I suppose being Disney I regarded it as not being worthy of my attention.
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:
party_pants said:My understanding is that Antony Green is the ABC election computer.
The computer wore tennis shoes.
And some here reckon I don’t know my movies – HA!
A bit strange I don’t remember that, since it was released in 1969, when I was really into movie going.
I suppose being Disney I regarded it as not being worthy of my attention.
Well given that it has a 6/10 on IMDb, sounds like you missed out on a middling or adequate film.
Yeah that’s a funny moniker, I’ll give the Mail that one
dv said:
Yeah that’s a funny moniker, I’ll give the Mail that one
Shouldn’t be that hard. It’s all furnished. All you have to do is pack up your clothes and bedding and throw out or take what you had in the fridge.
party_pants said:
sibeen said:
Bubblecar said:It’s just stated in this Guardian article:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/may/30/labor-secures-majority-government-despite-record-non-major-party-vote-and-crossbench
The ABC site is stating:
The ABC election computer is projecting that Labor will hold at least 76 seats — the minimum required to form a majority government.
Nothing about Antony.
My understanding is that Antony Green is the ABC election computer.
This.
dv said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:I can’t find that. Link?
It’s just stated in this Guardian article:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/may/30/labor-secures-majority-government-despite-record-non-major-party-vote-and-crossbench
Very well. It’s odd that the ABC pieces on the topic do not mention him.
Yes thy did.
party_pants said:
sibeen said:
Bubblecar said:It’s just stated in this Guardian article:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/may/30/labor-secures-majority-government-despite-record-non-major-party-vote-and-crossbench
The ABC site is stating:
The ABC election computer is projecting that Labor will hold at least 76 seats — the minimum required to form a majority government.
Nothing about Antony.
My understanding is that Antony Green is the ABC election computer.
The TV told me and it was on the ABC. Antony Green said it.
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:
sibeen said:The ABC site is stating:
The ABC election computer is projecting that Labor will hold at least 76 seats — the minimum required to form a majority government.
Nothing about Antony.
My understanding is that Antony Green is the ABC election computer.
The TV told me and it was on the ABC. Antony Green said it.
12 hours ago. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-30/anthony-albanese-and-labor-to-form-majority-government/101084236
There was a complete reversal in 2022. The electorates most concerned about the economy swung the most against the Coalition in this year’s election.
SCIENCE said:
There was a complete reversal in 2022. The electorates most concerned about the economy swung the most against the Coalition in this year’s election.
They were swinging in 2019. They swung more in 2022. It seems as if the climate message is getting through?
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
There was a complete reversal in 2022. The electorates most concerned about the economy swung the most against the Coalition in this year’s election.
They were swinging in 2019. They swung more in 2022. It seems as if the climate message is getting through?
There was only one other time in the history of the two parties where the environment outstripped the economy at the polling booth and that was the Franklin Dam debacle.
dv said:
Yeah that’s a funny moniker, I’ll give the Mail that one
Waiting for photo of eviction notice nailed to front door :)
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
There was a complete reversal in 2022. The electorates most concerned about the economy swung the most against the Coalition in this year’s election.
They were swinging in 2019. They swung more in 2022. It seems as if the climate message is getting through?
There was only one other time in the history of the two parties where the environment outstripped the economy at the polling booth and that was the Franklin Dam debacle.
All the seats in the top-right corner of that chart are in Western Australia.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-31/federal-election-voting-trends-climate/101111930
serious question for yous out there though
how did Mark get you all to upgrade your 5G by 3 or more times
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:roughbarked said:
They were swinging in 2019. They swung more in 2022. It seems as if the climate message is getting through?
There was only one other time in the history of the two parties where the environment outstripped the economy at the polling booth and that was the Franklin Dam debacle.
All the seats in the top-right corner of that chart are in Western Australia.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-31/federal-election-voting-trends-climate/101111930
serious question for yous out there though
how did Mark get you all to upgrade your 5G by 3 or more times
Rio Tinto and BHP said “No jab, no work”.
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:roughbarked said:
They were swinging in 2019. They swung more in 2022. It seems as if the climate message is getting through?
There was only one other time in the history of the two parties where the environment outstripped the economy at the polling booth and that was the Franklin Dam debacle.
All the seats in the top-right corner of that chart are in Western Australia.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-31/federal-election-voting-trends-climate/101111930
serious question for yous out there though
how did Mark get you all to upgrade your 5G by 3 or more times
That graph tells me nothing, except that there are electorates out there with only 50% vaccination rate.
Dark Orange said:
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:There was only one other time in the history of the two parties where the environment outstripped the economy at the polling booth and that was the Franklin Dam debacle.
All the seats in the top-right corner of that chart are in Western Australia.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-31/federal-election-voting-trends-climate/101111930
serious question for yous out there though
how did Mark get you all to upgrade your 5G by 3 or more times
That graph tells me nothing, except that there are electorates out there with only 50% vaccination rate.
not quite. electorates with 50% of voters with more than 2 vaccinations.
Dark Orange said:
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
There was only one other time in the history of the two parties where the environment outstripped the economy at the polling booth and that was the Franklin Dam debacle.
All the seats in the top-right corner of that chart are in Western Australia.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-31/federal-election-voting-trends-climate/101111930
serious question for yous out there though
how did Mark get you all to upgrade your 5G by 3 or more times
Rio Tinto and BHP said “No jab, no work”.
ah
how come they don’t get sued like public services in QLD do
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:My understanding is that Antony Green is the ABC election computer.
The TV told me and it was on the ABC. Antony Green said it.
12 hours ago. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-30/anthony-albanese-and-labor-to-form-majority-government/101084236
roughie … Antony Green is not quoted in that article. That’s the article we were talking about. There’s a picture of him with the caption saying he has explained some of the complexities of the seat, but no hint that he’s called it.
Also, on Twitter, Antony Green just a few minutes ago made a pointed difference between the number of seats where ALP is LEADING versus those they have won.
Further, the Labor candidate Josh Burns himself has not declared victory. He’s only been willing to say “there’s still a few more votes to be counted” but that he’s “hopeful he’s won the seat for Labor, delivering a 76th seat and, therefore, a majority government. “
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-31/federal-election-live-labor-reaches-majority-albanese-ministry/101112120#live-blog-post-1211749254
Some of the commentators are saying that Albo is the first divorcee to become PM of Australia. I have not fact checked this.
dv said:
Some of the commentators are saying that Albo is the first divorcee to become PM of Australia. I have not fact checked this.
Tamb said:
dv said:
Some of the commentators are saying that Albo is the first divorcee to become PM of Australia. I have not fact checked this.
Neither have the commentators.
Probably. :-)
Others (specifically Dr Kev Bohman, who is usually pretty careful) are saying that this is the first time that the opposition leader got a full term as opposition leader and then won their first election.
Tamb said:
dv said:
Some of the commentators are saying that Albo is the first divorcee to become PM of Australia. I have not fact checked this.
Neither have the commentators.
so being female, married, unmarried, childless, parasiteinfested, divorved, dead, zombie, as long as it’s Labor there are any number of reasons that shade should be thrown on an elected representative hey
SCIENCE said:
Tamb said:
dv said:
Some of the commentators are saying that Albo is the first divorcee to become PM of Australia. I have not fact checked this.
Neither have the commentators.
so being female, married, unmarried, childless, parasiteinfested, divorved, dead, zombie, as long as it’s Labor there are any number of reasons that shade should be thrown on an elected representative hey
I don’t think this was meant in a shady way.
SCIENCE said:
Tamb said:
dv said:
Some of the commentators are saying that Albo is the first divorcee to become PM of Australia. I have not fact checked this.
Neither have the commentators.
so being female, married, unmarried, childless, parasiteinfested, divorved, dead, zombie, as long as it’s Labor there are any number of reasons that shade should be thrown on an elected representative hey
dv said:
SCIENCE said:Tamb said:
Neither have the commentators.
so being female, married, unmarried, childless, parasiteinfested, divorved, dead, zombie, as long as it’s Labor there are any number of reasons that shade should be thrown on an elected representative hey
I don’t think this was meant in a shady way.
Credlin, Bolt, and their ilk will probably seize on it as an indication that, under labor, we can expect child sacrifice to become commonplace, and ‘transgender’ to be the only permitted sexual identification.
dv said:
SCIENCE said:Tamb said:
Neither have the commentators.
so being female, married, unmarried, childless, parasiteinfested, divorved, dead, zombie, as long as it’s Labor there are any number of reasons that shade should be thrown on an elected representative hey
I don’t think this was meant in a shady way.
Slim chance perhaps
Tamb said:
SCIENCE said:Tamb said:
Neither have the commentators.
so being female, married, unmarried, childless, parasiteinfested, divorved, dead, zombie, as long as it’s Labor there are any number of reasons that shade should be thrown on an elected representative hey
The primary function of the media is to sow discord regardless of party.
LOL, no. You listen to the wrong media if you think that. No journalist I have ever known thinks that. It’s a bad a notion that pharma scientists are trying to kill us with vaccines.
Boris said:
Tamb said:
SCIENCE said:so being female, married, unmarried, childless, parasiteinfested, divorved, dead, zombie, as long as it’s Labor there are any number of reasons that shade should be thrown on an elected representative hey
The primary function of the media is to sow discord regardless of party.LOL, no. You listen to the wrong media if you think that. No journalist I have ever known thinks that. It’s a bad a notion that pharma scientists are trying to kill us with vaccines.
Media should question government regardless of whom they are, much news is for entertainment or manipulation purposes though
Tamb said:
SCIENCE said:Tamb said:
Neither have the commentators.
so being female, married, unmarried, childless, parasiteinfested, divorved, dead, zombie, as long as it’s Labor there are any number of reasons that shade should be thrown on an elected representative hey
The primary function of the media is to sow discord regardless of party.
I think that substantially true, to carve out and maintain some influence for their part in the ideological apparatus
they are large part of the dimension of the ideological apparatus
transition said:
Tamb said:
SCIENCE said:so being female, married, unmarried, childless, parasiteinfested, divorved, dead, zombie, as long as it’s Labor there are any number of reasons that shade should be thrown on an elected representative hey
The primary function of the media is to sow discord regardless of party.I think that substantially true, to carve out and maintain some influence for their part in the ideological apparatus
they are large part of the dimension of the ideological apparatus
fill to go between advertisements I might add, and environment in which news and advertisements become increasingly indistinguishable, seamlessly merged a lot of it, no less so with increasing aggregate news feeds, even the national broadcaster content (to my eyes) seems to have evolved a presentation format that can only be described as converging, ready to go between the advertisements
just an opinion
transition said:
transition said:
Tamb said:The primary function of the media is to sow discord regardless of party.
I think that substantially true, to carve out and maintain some influence for their part in the ideological apparatus
they are large part of the dimension of the ideological apparatus
fill to go between advertisements I might add, and environment in which news and advertisements become increasingly indistinguishable, seamlessly merged a lot of it, no less so with increasing aggregate news feeds, even the national broadcaster content (to my eyes) seems to have evolved a presentation format that can only be described as converging, ready to go between the advertisements
just an opinion
They seem to becoming more like this
People probably like to be spoon fed opinions and ways to think as doing it yourself is too much effort.
dv said:
Some of the commentators are saying that Albo is the first divorcee to become PM of Australia. I have not fact checked this.
And how is this in any way relevent to his job description?
buffy said:
dv said:
Some of the commentators are saying that Albo is the first divorcee to become PM of Australia. I have not fact checked this.
And how is this in any way relevent to his job description?
He can break a contract?
buffy said:
dv said:
Some of the commentators are saying that Albo is the first divorcee to become PM of Australia. I have not fact checked this.
And how is this in any way relevent to his job description?
Like I mean who cares. The locals here reckoned that Barnaby was just being a naughty boy and Bob left Hazel for a younger woman.
roughbarked said:
buffy said:
dv said:
Some of the commentators are saying that Albo is the first divorcee to become PM of Australia. I have not fact checked this.
And how is this in any way relevent to his job description?
Like I mean who cares. The locals here reckoned that Barnaby was just being a naughty boy and Bob left Hazel for a younger woman.
Archaic notion about divorce if people were upset
transition said:
transition said:
Tamb said:The primary function of the media is to sow discord regardless of party.
I think that substantially true, to carve out and maintain some influence for their part in the ideological apparatus
they are large part of the dimension of the ideological apparatus
fill to go between advertisements I might add, and environment in which news and advertisements become increasingly indistinguishable, seamlessly merged a lot of it, no less so with increasing aggregate news feeds, even the national broadcaster content (to my eyes) seems to have evolved a presentation format that can only be described as converging, ready to go between the advertisements
just an opinion
and not worth a lot if you have that shallow a view. you read, watch or listen to the wrong media or rather aren’t selective in which journos are actually doing their job and follow those..
Boris said:
transition said:
transition said:I think that substantially true, to carve out and maintain some influence for their part in the ideological apparatus
they are large part of the dimension of the ideological apparatus
fill to go between advertisements I might add, and environment in which news and advertisements become increasingly indistinguishable, seamlessly merged a lot of it, no less so with increasing aggregate news feeds, even the national broadcaster content (to my eyes) seems to have evolved a presentation format that can only be described as converging, ready to go between the advertisements
just an opinion
and not worth a lot if you have that shallow a view. you read, watch or listen to the wrong media or rather aren’t selective in which journos are actually doing their job and follow those..
or you might see what I wrote as encouragement to those others..
Boris said:
transition said:
transition said:I think that substantially true, to carve out and maintain some influence for their part in the ideological apparatus
they are large part of the dimension of the ideological apparatus
fill to go between advertisements I might add, and environment in which news and advertisements become increasingly indistinguishable, seamlessly merged a lot of it, no less so with increasing aggregate news feeds, even the national broadcaster content (to my eyes) seems to have evolved a presentation format that can only be described as converging, ready to go between the advertisements
just an opinion
and not worth a lot if you have that shallow a view. you read, watch or listen to the wrong media or rather aren’t selective in which journos are actually doing their job and follow those..
Fox and Sky news aren’t the best I agree
transition said:
Boris said:
transition said:fill to go between advertisements I might add, and environment in which news and advertisements become increasingly indistinguishable, seamlessly merged a lot of it, no less so with increasing aggregate news feeds, even the national broadcaster content (to my eyes) seems to have evolved a presentation format that can only be described as converging, ready to go between the advertisements
just an opinion
and not worth a lot if you have that shallow a view. you read, watch or listen to the wrong media or rather aren’t selective in which journos are actually doing their job and follow those..
or you might see what I wrote as encouragement to those others..
well, if you wrote clearer things like that may be noticed but I didn’t see that in what you posted. Changing the story afterwards.
Cymek said:
Boris said:
transition said:fill to go between advertisements I might add, and environment in which news and advertisements become increasingly indistinguishable, seamlessly merged a lot of it, no less so with increasing aggregate news feeds, even the national broadcaster content (to my eyes) seems to have evolved a presentation format that can only be described as converging, ready to go between the advertisements
just an opinion
and not worth a lot if you have that shallow a view. you read, watch or listen to the wrong media or rather aren’t selective in which journos are actually doing their job and follow those..
Fox and Sky news aren’t the best I agree
I don’t watch either if i can help it.
I just get sick of people attacking “The Media” as if it is all one entity. If people are going to attack it then pick your foe and don’t lump them all together. Bit like attacking public servants or farmers as if they are all one and not a diverse population.
Boris said:
Cymek said:
Boris said:and not worth a lot if you have that shallow a view. you read, watch or listen to the wrong media or rather aren’t selective in which journos are actually doing their job and follow those..
Fox and Sky news aren’t the best I agree
I don’t watch either if i can help it.
I just get sick of people attacking “The Media” as if it is all one entity. If people are going to attack it then pick your foe and don’t lump them all together. Bit like attacking public servants or farmers as if they are all one and not a diverse population.
consider how motivating it is though, the perceived hostile generalizations
Boris said:
Cymek said:
Boris said:and not worth a lot if you have that shallow a view. you read, watch or listen to the wrong media or rather aren’t selective in which journos are actually doing their job and follow those..
Fox and Sky news aren’t the best I agree
I don’t watch either if i can help it.
I just get sick of people attacking “The Media” as if it is all one entity. If people are going to attack it then pick your foe and don’t lump them all together. Bit like attacking public servants or farmers as if they are all one and not a diverse population.
Fair enough
I watch SBS news, think it’s decent, diverse and fair.
Commercial news is annoying
Cymek said:
Boris said:
Cymek said:Fox and Sky news aren’t the best I agree
I don’t watch either if i can help it.
I just get sick of people attacking “The Media” as if it is all one entity. If people are going to attack it then pick your foe and don’t lump them all together. Bit like attacking public servants or farmers as if they are all one and not a diverse population.
Fair enough
I watch SBS news, think it’s decent, diverse and fair.
Commercial news is annoying
but but but but but…….. you could be watching rich and pretty weather girls.
Woodie said:
Cymek said:
Boris said:I don’t watch either if i can help it.
I just get sick of people attacking “The Media” as if it is all one entity. If people are going to attack it then pick your foe and don’t lump them all together. Bit like attacking public servants or farmers as if they are all one and not a diverse population.
Fair enough
I watch SBS news, think it’s decent, diverse and fair.
Commercial news is annoying
but but but but but…….. you could be watching rich and pretty weather girls.
But they don’t give you weather all around the world.
:)
Woodie said:
Cymek said:
Boris said:I don’t watch either if i can help it.
I just get sick of people attacking “The Media” as if it is all one entity. If people are going to attack it then pick your foe and don’t lump them all together. Bit like attacking public servants or farmers as if they are all one and not a diverse population.
Fair enough
I watch SBS news, think it’s decent, diverse and fair.
Commercial news is annoying
but but but but but…….. you could be watching rich and pretty weather girls.
buffy said:
Woodie said:
Cymek said:Fair enough
I watch SBS news, think it’s decent, diverse and fair.
Commercial news is annoying
but but but but but…….. you could be watching rich and pretty weather girls.
But they don’t give you weather all around the world.
:)
News can also be depressing, makes you feel helpless and angry with what goes on around the world.
Death and destruction for the most part it seems
Cymek said:
buffy said:
Woodie said:but but but but but…….. you could be watching rich and pretty weather girls.
But they don’t give you weather all around the world.
:)
News can also be depressing, makes you feel helpless and angry with what goes on around the world.
Death and destruction for the most part it seems
Yes, it can make you appreciative of this country.
buffy said:
Woodie said:
Cymek said:Fair enough
I watch SBS news, think it’s decent, diverse and fair.
Commercial news is annoying
but but but but but…….. you could be watching rich and pretty weather girls.
But they don’t give you weather all around the world.
:)
But who cares when they’re rich and pretty, hey what but. 😊
Bear in mind that in a free world, media outlets are allowed to be politically partisan and the obvious ones are usually open about it.
I don’t think you’ll find Sky News denying that it’s a right wing outlet, and the Guardian veritably trumpets its lefty credentials.
buffy said:
dv said:
Some of the commentators are saying that Albo is the first divorcee to become PM of Australia. I have not fact checked this.
And how is this in any way relevent to his job description?
You guys would be annoying on trivia nights
Bubblecar said:
Bear in mind that in a free world, media outlets are allowed to be politically partisan and the obvious ones are usually open about it.I don’t think you’ll find Sky News denying that it’s a right wing outlet, and the Guardian veritably trumpets its lefty credentials.
…and I think we can regard this election result as an indication that Murdoch’s media empire is nowhere near as influential as it would like to be.
The Sky News After Dark set might be dreadful but it’s worthwhile remembering they only have like 50000 viewers on average.
53000 people watch the Bolt Report. That’s 0.3% of the Australian voting population. Roll your eyes, cringe, but don’t stress about him, he’s nobody.
https://www.comparetv.com.au/australia-tv-ratings/top-20-pay-tv-programs/
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jul/21/coalition-believes-it-has-numbers-to-stop-great-barrier-reef-being-listed-as-in-danger
Remember this?
This is how the deputy Lib leader spent her time as environment minister.
dv said:
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jul/21/coalition-believes-it-has-numbers-to-stop-great-barrier-reef-being-listed-as-in-dangerRemember this?
This is how the deputy Lib leader spent her time as environment minister.
It’s meant to be bleached and dead looking
Cymek said:
dv said:
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jul/21/coalition-believes-it-has-numbers-to-stop-great-barrier-reef-being-listed-as-in-dangerRemember this?
This is how the deputy Lib leader spent her time as environment minister.
It’s meant to be bleached and dead looking
are they big fans of the whitewash
SCIENCE said:
Cymek said:
dv said:
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jul/21/coalition-believes-it-has-numbers-to-stop-great-barrier-reef-being-listed-as-in-dangerRemember this?
This is how the deputy Lib leader spent her time as environment minister.
It’s meant to be bleached and dead looking
are they big fans of the whitewash
I’m sure Dutton is down with the reef’s new White Is Beautiful slogan.
dv said:
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jul/21/coalition-believes-it-has-numbers-to-stop-great-barrier-reef-being-listed-as-in-dangerRemember this?
This is how the deputy Lib leader spent her time as environment minister.
Maybe have a look at how good she was when she had health…
And I have trouble taking someone seriously who changed the spelling of their name on the basis of numerology. It’s in her Wikipedia page now too.
>>She changed her name from Susan to Sussan after reading about numerology<<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sussan_Ley
buffy said:
dv said:
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jul/21/coalition-believes-it-has-numbers-to-stop-great-barrier-reef-being-listed-as-in-dangerRemember this?
This is how the deputy Lib leader spent her time as environment minister.
Maybe have a look at how good she was when she had health…
And I have trouble taking someone seriously who changed the spelling of their name on the basis of numerology. It’s in her Wikipedia page now too.
>>She changed her name from Susan to Sussan after reading about numerology<<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sussan_Ley
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10866429/New-deputy-liberal-leader-Sussan-Ley-changed-names-spelling-numerology-theory.html
Jesus.
I wonder what she thinks about ley lines
buffy said:
dv said:
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jul/21/coalition-believes-it-has-numbers-to-stop-great-barrier-reef-being-listed-as-in-dangerRemember this?
This is how the deputy Lib leader spent her time as environment minister.
Maybe have a look at how good she was when she had health…
And I have trouble taking someone seriously who changed the spelling of their name on the basis of numerology. It’s in her Wikipedia page now too.
>>She changed her name from Susan to Sussan after reading about numerology<<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sussan_Ley
You’d think someone with master’s degrees in taxation and acccountancy would be more mathematically literate than that.
Anyway I’m going to pronounce her name as Suss Ann, since that’s what she apparently wants.
The Covid Phone votes broke pretty nicely for Labor in Gilmore, adding 59 votes to Fiona Phillips’s lead which is now 222.
dv said:
buffy said:
dv said:
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jul/21/coalition-believes-it-has-numbers-to-stop-great-barrier-reef-being-listed-as-in-dangerRemember this?
This is how the deputy Lib leader spent her time as environment minister.
Maybe have a look at how good she was when she had health…
And I have trouble taking someone seriously who changed the spelling of their name on the basis of numerology. It’s in her Wikipedia page now too.
>>She changed her name from Susan to Sussan after reading about numerology<<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sussan_Ley
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10866429/New-deputy-liberal-leader-Sussan-Ley-changed-names-spelling-numerology-theory.html
Jesus.
I wonder what she thinks about ley lines
I probably knew that because I was a Medicare provider when she was health minister and we were very worried about what they might do to Medicare. And you find some strange things when you are paying attention.
buffy said:
dv said:
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jul/21/coalition-believes-it-has-numbers-to-stop-great-barrier-reef-being-listed-as-in-dangerRemember this?
This is how the deputy Lib leader spent her time as environment minister.
Maybe have a look at how good she was when she had health…
And I have trouble taking someone seriously who changed the spelling of their name on the basis of numerology. It’s in her Wikipedia page now too.
>>She changed her name from Susan to Sussan after reading about numerology<<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sussan_Ley
That’s a bit suss.
Michael V said:
buffy said:
dv said:
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jul/21/coalition-believes-it-has-numbers-to-stop-great-barrier-reef-being-listed-as-in-dangerRemember this?
This is how the deputy Lib leader spent her time as environment minister.
Maybe have a look at how good she was when she had health…
And I have trouble taking someone seriously who changed the spelling of their name on the basis of numerology. It’s in her Wikipedia page now too.
>>She changed her name from Susan to Sussan after reading about numerology<<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sussan_Ley
That’s a bit suss.
so was she wrong about the numbers
dv said:
buffy said:
dv said:
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jul/21/coalition-believes-it-has-numbers-to-stop-great-barrier-reef-being-listed-as-in-dangerRemember this?
This is how the deputy Lib leader spent her time as environment minister.
Maybe have a look at how good she was when she had health…
And I have trouble taking someone seriously who changed the spelling of their name on the basis of numerology. It’s in her Wikipedia page now too.
>>She changed her name from Susan to Sussan after reading about numerology<<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sussan_Ley
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10866429/New-deputy-liberal-leader-Sussan-Ley-changed-names-spelling-numerology-theory.html
Jesus.
I wonder what she thinks about ley lines
Maybe she counts them.
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
Cymek said:It’s meant to be bleached and dead looking
are they big fans of the whitewash
I’m sure Dutton is down with the reef’s new White Is Beautiful slogan.
All types except Postal in Gilmore have favoured Labour.
2609 postal envelopes were issued that have not been received yet, but it is typical that not all envelopes are returned. Although we don’t know how many will come in (they can be accepted up til COB Friday) it’s probably not going to be many. But even if they all come in, if they break 54-46 like those we’ve already seen, it will be about 209, nearly wiping out Labor’s lead.
There are still 743 absents to be counted and perhaps as many as 443 yet to come in. The first batches were quite Laborish but AG cautions that the batches of absentee ballots will be quite heterogeneous depending on exactly where they came from.
The Covid-related phone votes are also in for Deakin, and while they were not bad for Labor, they only shaved 53 off the Liberals’ lead, which now stands at 619.
dv said:
The Covid-related phone votes are also in for Deakin, and while they were not bad for Labor, they only shaved 53 off the Liberals’ lead, which now stands at 619.
Well neither their record for being good fiscal managers nor their management of Covid are they actually remembered for doing a great job of.
It stands to reason that a couple of percent of voters actually noticed that.
dv said:
All types except Postal in Gilmore have favoured Labour.
2609 postal envelopes were issued that have not been received yet, but it is typical that not all envelopes are returned. Although we don’t know how many will come in (they can be accepted up til COB Friday) it’s probably not going to be many. But even if they all come in, if they break 54-46 like those we’ve already seen, it will be about 209, nearly wiping out Labor’s lead.
There are still 743 absents to be counted and perhaps as many as 443 yet to come in. The first batches were quite Laborish but AG cautions that the batches of absentee ballots will be quite heterogeneous depending on exactly where they came from.
ah well apparently FiPh do’n‘t give a shit and is jumping the gun
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-31/labor-says-it-has-won-gilmore/101113882
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
All types except Postal in Gilmore have favoured Labour.
2609 postal envelopes were issued that have not been received yet, but it is typical that not all envelopes are returned. Although we don’t know how many will come in (they can be accepted up til COB Friday) it’s probably not going to be many. But even if they all come in, if they break 54-46 like those we’ve already seen, it will be about 209, nearly wiping out Labor’s lead.
There are still 743 absents to be counted and perhaps as many as 443 yet to come in. The first batches were quite Laborish but AG cautions that the batches of absentee ballots will be quite heterogeneous depending on exactly where they came from.
ah well apparently FiPh do’n‘t give a shit and is jumping the gun
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-31/labor-says-it-has-won-gilmore/101113882
Labor says it has won Gilmore
What does it really matter? The COALition have been given the message. Labor still needs to match what the voters asked for. It has taken two elections to head in this direction but we have given them the job. They still have to do what they campaigned about, which was listening to the electorate.
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
All types except Postal in Gilmore have favoured Labour.
2609 postal envelopes were issued that have not been received yet, but it is typical that not all envelopes are returned. Although we don’t know how many will come in (they can be accepted up til COB Friday) it’s probably not going to be many. But even if they all come in, if they break 54-46 like those we’ve already seen, it will be about 209, nearly wiping out Labor’s lead.
There are still 743 absents to be counted and perhaps as many as 443 yet to come in. The first batches were quite Laborish but AG cautions that the batches of absentee ballots will be quite heterogeneous depending on exactly where they came from.
ah well apparently FiPh do’n‘t give a shit and is jumping the gun
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-31/labor-says-it-has-won-gilmore/101113882
Labor says it has won Gilmore
fine print: but the ABC election computer and elections analyst Antony Green are not calling the seat yet.
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:dv said:
All types except Postal in Gilmore have favoured Labour.
2609 postal envelopes were issued that have not been received yet, but it is typical that not all envelopes are returned. Although we don’t know how many will come in (they can be accepted up til COB Friday) it’s probably not going to be many. But even if they all come in, if they break 54-46 like those we’ve already seen, it will be about 209, nearly wiping out Labor’s lead.
There are still 743 absents to be counted and perhaps as many as 443 yet to come in. The first batches were quite Laborish but AG cautions that the batches of absentee ballots will be quite heterogeneous depending on exactly where they came from.
ah well apparently FiPh do’n‘t give a shit and is jumping the gun
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-31/labor-says-it-has-won-gilmore/101113882
Labor says it has won Gilmore
What does it really matter? The COALition have been given the message. Labor still needs to match what the voters asked for. It has taken two elections to head in this direction but we have given them the job. They still have to do what they campaigned about, which was listening to the electorate.
To answer your direct question, 77 seats versus 76 would mean they could have an ALP speaker while still maintaining a majority on the floor of the House. If they end up with 76, they will probably give the Speakership to an independent.
dv said:
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:ah well apparently FiPh do’n‘t give a shit and is jumping the gun
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-31/labor-says-it-has-won-gilmore/101113882
Labor says it has won Gilmore
What does it really matter? The COALition have been given the message. Labor still needs to match what the voters asked for. It has taken two elections to head in this direction but we have given them the job. They still have to do what they campaigned about, which was listening to the electorate.
To answer your direct question, 77 seats versus 76 would mean they could have an ALP speaker while still maintaining a majority on the floor of the House. If they end up with 76, they will probably give the Speakership to an independent.
It may seem both a great matter and yet a minor matter. The senate still has a Greens balance of power.
roughbarked said:
dv said:
roughbarked said:What does it really matter? The COALition have been given the message. Labor still needs to match what the voters asked for. It has taken two elections to head in this direction but we have given them the job. They still have to do what they campaigned about, which was listening to the electorate.
To answer your direct question, 77 seats versus 76 would mean they could have an ALP speaker while still maintaining a majority on the floor of the House. If they end up with 76, they will probably give the Speakership to an independent.
It may seem both a great matter and yet a minor matter. The senate still has a Greens balance of power.
And so it is.
dv said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:To answer your direct question, 77 seats versus 76 would mean they could have an ALP speaker while still maintaining a majority on the floor of the House. If they end up with 76, they will probably give the Speakership to an independent.
It may seem both a great matter and yet a minor matter. The senate still has a Greens balance of power.
And so it is.
Are the Liberals regrouping to come back stronger than ever as The First Order
Cymek said:
dv said:
roughbarked said:It may seem both a great matter and yet a minor matter. The senate still has a Greens balance of power.
And so it is.
Are the Liberals regrouping to come back stronger than ever as The First Order
Only J.J Abram’s could suggest something so stupid.
AG has called Gilmore for ALP.
dv said:
AG has called Gilmore for ALP.
And low my seat prediction has come to pass.
dv said:
AG has called Gilmore for ALP.
Jolly good.
dv said:
AG has called Gilmore for ALP.
77 then?
party_pants said:
dv said:
AG has called Gilmore for ALP.
77 then?
Yeah looks like.
Looks like the one she supported this time was a real dog…
dv said:
Looks like the one she supported this time was a real dog…
I see she’s resigned:
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/guide-dogs-victoria-ceo-resigns-after-josh-frydenberg-endorsement-20220531-p5apze.html
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Looks like the one she supported this time was a real dog…
I see she’s resigned:
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/guide-dogs-victoria-ceo-resigns-after-josh-frydenberg-endorsement-20220531-p5apze.html
That took a while for her to make the decision. It was clearly not allowed under the rules for charities for her to endorse.
buffy said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Looks like the one she supported this time was a real dog…
I see she’s resigned:
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/guide-dogs-victoria-ceo-resigns-after-josh-frydenberg-endorsement-20220531-p5apze.html
That took a while for her to make the decision. It was clearly not allowed under the rules for charities for her to endorse.
but what if he’d won, she would have stayed on right
It appears Deakin is no longer regarded as being in doubt, and fair enough too. Matt Gregg needed a 4.7% swing but only got 4.4%. Good throw, son, you’ll get them next time.
And so it came to pass
ALP 77 (+8)
LIB 42 (-17)
NAT 16 (=)
IND 10 (+7)
GRN 4 (+3)
KAP 1 (=)
CA 1 (=)
UAP 0 (-1)
This is the worst result for the Coalition, in terms of % of seats, since the formation of the Liberal party in 1944.
16 people on the cross benches.
Bill Shorten-Minister for the NDIS and Govt Services.
That’s nice.
sarahs mum said:
Bill Shorten-Minister for the NDIS and Govt Services.That’s nice.
HAHAHAHA
I’m friends with the CFO of the NDIS, she called this a month ago; also said that Shorten hates the CEO of the NDIS and that the CEO will be out of a job toot suite.
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/prime-minister-anthony-albanese-unveils-new-ministry-featuring-a-record-number-of-women/9zketx0lk
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
Bill Shorten-Minister for the NDIS and Govt Services.That’s nice.
HAHAHAHA
I’m friends with the CFO of the NDIS, she called this a month ago; also said that Shorten hates the CEO of the NDIS and that the CEO will be out of a job toot suite.
Is that a good thing?
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
Bill Shorten-Minister for the NDIS and Govt Services.That’s nice.
HAHAHAHA
I’m friends with the CFO of the NDIS, she called this a month ago; also said that Shorten hates the CEO of the NDIS and that the CEO will be out of a job toot suite.
Is that a good thing?
No, it is a vindictive thing. No surprising, Shorten isn’t a nice bloke.
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:HAHAHAHA
I’m friends with the CFO of the NDIS, she called this a month ago; also said that Shorten hates the CEO of the NDIS and that the CEO will be out of a job toot suite.
Is that a good thing?
No, it is a vindictive thing. No surprising, Shorten isn’t a nice bloke.
It’s at least remotely possible that the CEO is a Coalition appointee, and that your friend is a Coalition voter.
Bubblecar said:
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:Is that a good thing?
No, it is a vindictive thing. No surprising, Shorten isn’t a nice bloke.
It’s at least remotely possible that the CEO is a Coalition appointee, and that your friend is a Coalition voter.
scratches behind ear
Err, I have no idea how either vote. I suspect that as it hasn’t been around that long that it would probably be a Coalition appointee. As it’s a public service appointment, and a quite senior one, I’ hope that it is rather above politics.
Well, one thing’s for sure. Rupert is no longer the king maker.
For that we all have to he grateful.
tauto said:
Well, one thing’s for sure. Rupert is no longer the king maker.
For that we all have to he grateful.
will this change the political landscape in Australia?
Will politicians no longer need to fear him?
Will they act like they know they don’t need to fear him?
Well there won’t really be any further important updates until they press the big senate button two weeks from now.
dv said:
Nicely written piece from Mr. Bragg.
Anyone know what tjhe line was?
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Nicely written piece from Mr. Bragg.
Anyone know what tjhe line was?
Yes, lots of people do:
“But as Billy Bragg said, not everything that counts can be counted,” Albanese continued, referencing the musician’s song from his 2017 EP, Bridges Not Walls. “And we shouldn’t judge the economy as if it’s seperate from the people that the economy is meant to serve.”
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Nicely written piece from Mr. Bragg.
Anyone know what tjhe line was?
Yes, lots of people do:
“But as Billy Bragg said, not everything that counts can be counted,” Albanese continued, referencing the musician’s song from his 2017 EP, Bridges Not Walls. “And we shouldn’t judge the economy as if it’s seperate from the people that the economy is meant to serve.”
so is he going to actually take moves to save people from the leading cause of death and removal of economic agents in recent year
dv said:
It appears Deakin is no longer regarded as being in doubt, and fair enough too. Matt Gregg needed a 4.7% swing but only got 4.4%. Good throw, son, you’ll get them next time.And so it came to pass
ALP 77 (+8)
LIB 42 (-17)
NAT 16 (=)
IND 10 (+7)
GRN 4 (+3)
KAP 1 (=)
CA 1 (=)
UAP 0 (-1)This is the worst result for the Coalition, in terms of % of seats, since the formation of the Liberal party in 1944.
16 people on the cross benches.
I see the ABC are now saying 0 seats in doubt.
I shall maintain my doubts until the last scrap of paper is counted.
I’m distressed to see that at Berowra the swing to Labor has plunged from 5.7% to 5.0%
OTOH, that surely means that it is quite possible the swing at Deakin could rise from 4,4% to 5.1%?
buffy said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Looks like the one she supported this time was a real dog…
I see she’s resigned:
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/guide-dogs-victoria-ceo-resigns-after-josh-frydenberg-endorsement-20220531-p5apze.html
That took a while for her to make the decision. It was clearly not allowed under the rules for charities for her to endorse.
She resigned weeks back.
Michael V said:
buffy said:
Bubblecar said:I see she’s resigned:
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/guide-dogs-victoria-ceo-resigns-after-josh-frydenberg-endorsement-20220531-p5apze.html
That took a while for her to make the decision. It was clearly not allowed under the rules for charities for her to endorse.
She resigned weeks back.
Ah, I was thinking I must have imagined it.
(Or maybe we both did)
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:HAHAHAHA
I’m friends with the CFO of the NDIS, she called this a month ago; also said that Shorten hates the CEO of the NDIS and that the CEO will be out of a job toot suite.
Is that a good thing?
No, it is a vindictive thing. No surprising, Shorten isn’t a nice bloke.
What makes you say that?
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jun/01/ndis-agency-to-spend-50m-on-lawyers-to-fight-people-with-disability-who-appealed-funding-cuts
Link?
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/may/31/anthony-albaneses-ministry-contains-more-surprises-than-expected-following-a-factional-kerfuffle
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jun/01/pork-barrelling-should-be-banned-and-grant-process-overhauled-report-for-icac-says
Boris said:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jun/01/pork-barrelling-should-be-banned-and-grant-process-overhauled-report-for-icac-says
Well, that’ll be getting archived on the ‘fantasy fiction’ shelves.
The Rev Dodgson said:
I see the ABC are now saying 0 seats in doubt.
I shall maintain my doubts until the last scrap of paper is counted.
so are you not satisfied with calling it at any earlier point that it becomes mathematically impossible for the result to change with additional counting
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
I see the ABC are now saying 0 seats in doubt.
I shall maintain my doubts until the last scrap of paper is counted.
so are you not satisfied with calling it at any earlier point that it becomes mathematically impossible for the result to change with additional counting
This is The Rev’s Stalingrad.
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
I see the ABC are now saying 0 seats in doubt.
I shall maintain my doubts until the last scrap of paper is counted.
so are you not satisfied with calling it at any earlier point that it becomes mathematically impossible for the result to change with additional counting
Well I would be if I had to, but its easier just to take the lazy option.
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:The Rev Dodgson said:
I see the ABC are now saying 0 seats in doubt.
I shall maintain my doubts until the last scrap of paper is counted.
so are you not satisfied with calling it at any earlier point that it becomes mathematically impossible for the result to change with additional counting
Well I would be if I had to, but its easier just to take the lazy option.
Rev’s position is reasonable. The results are not mathematically beyond doubt. There could be 1000 more mail ballots tomorrow in Gilmore, 80% for the Libs. It’s just that the boffins think the chance of an overturn at this stage is too small to worry about.
I see Matt Thistlethwaite has been made Assistant Minister for the Republic.
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:so are you not satisfied with calling it at any earlier point that it becomes mathematically impossible for the result to change with additional counting
Well I would be if I had to, but its easier just to take the lazy option.
Rev’s position is reasonable. The results are not mathematically beyond doubt. There could be 1000 more mail ballots tomorrow in Gilmore, 80% for the Libs. It’s just that the boffins think the chance of an overturn at this stage is too small to worry about.
I’m actually waiting for Deakin to swing in the opposite direction :)
One thing that may be confusing me. When it says 90% counted, doesn’t that mean there are still 10% to count?
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Well I would be if I had to, but its easier just to take the lazy option.
Rev’s position is reasonable. The results are not mathematically beyond doubt. There could be 1000 more mail ballots tomorrow in Gilmore, 80% for the Libs. It’s just that the boffins think the chance of an overturn at this stage is too small to worry about.
I’m actually waiting for Deakin to swing in the opposite direction :)
One thing that may be confusing me. When it says 90% counted, doesn’t that mean there are still 10% to count?
Not all envelopes will be returned (and we won’t the final total of returned mail ballots until COB on Friday, the last date they may arrive and be accepted). The % counted is calclulated on the basis of enrolment, so the actual amount remaining to be counted will be lower than that 10%.
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:Rev’s position is reasonable. The results are not mathematically beyond doubt. There could be 1000 more mail ballots tomorrow in Gilmore, 80% for the Libs. It’s just that the boffins think the chance of an overturn at this stage is too small to worry about.
I’m actually waiting for Deakin to swing in the opposite direction :)
One thing that may be confusing me. When it says 90% counted, doesn’t that mean there are still 10% to count?
Not all envelopes will be returned (and we won’t the final total of returned mail ballots until COB on Friday, the last date they may arrive and be accepted). The % counted is calclulated on the basis of enrolment, so the actual amount remaining to be counted will be lower than that 10%.
Ah, well that would make a difference.
What about invalid votes, are they counted as counted?
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I’m actually waiting for Deakin to swing in the opposite direction :)
One thing that may be confusing me. When it says 90% counted, doesn’t that mean there are still 10% to count?
Not all envelopes will be returned (and we won’t the final total of returned mail ballots until COB on Friday, the last date they may arrive and be accepted). The % counted is calclulated on the basis of enrolment, so the actual amount remaining to be counted will be lower than that 10%.
Ah, well that would make a difference.
What about invalid votes, are they counted as counted?
Fair question. I’d assume so.
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Nicely written piece from Mr. Bragg.
Anyone know what tjhe line was?
Yes, lots of people do:
“But as Billy Bragg said, not everything that counts can be counted,” Albanese continued, referencing the musician’s song from his 2017 EP, Bridges Not Walls. “And we shouldn’t judge the economy as if it’s seperate from the people that the economy is meant to serve.”
so is he going to actually take moves to save people from the leading cause of death and removal of economic agents in recent year
Telomere deterioration?
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:
buffy said:That took a while for her to make the decision. It was clearly not allowed under the rules for charities for her to endorse.
She resigned weeks back.
Ah, I was thinking I must have imagined it.
(Or maybe we both did)
She didn’t resign weeks back, she was suspended. She resigned yesterday.
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:Not all envelopes will be returned (and we won’t the final total of returned mail ballots until COB on Friday, the last date they may arrive and be accepted). The % counted is calclulated on the basis of enrolment, so the actual amount remaining to be counted will be lower than that 10%.
Ah, well that would make a difference.
What about invalid votes, are they counted as counted?
Fair question. I’d assume so.
My memory from scrutineering a long time ago, is that spoiled (invalid) votes go into their own category – so are counted as counted.
dv said:
It’s a shame that Billy Bragg is now an idiot who continually attacks feminists and groups like the LGB Alliance.
(For the record, the Nazis didn’t “define Jews by their biology alone” or indeed by their biology at all, but by the usual toxic antisemitic tropes of the day).
Bubblecar said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:She resigned weeks back.
Ah, I was thinking I must have imagined it.
(Or maybe we both did)
She didn’t resign weeks back, she was suspended. She resigned yesterday.
OK. I was incorrect.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
It’s a shame that Billy Bragg is now an idiot who continually attacks feminists and groups like the LGB Alliance.
(For the record, the Nazis didn’t “define Jews by their biology alone” or indeed by their biology at all, but by the usual toxic antisemitic tropes of the day).
Couldn’t we keep this crap in its own thread?
Michael V said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Ah, well that would make a difference.
What about invalid votes, are they counted as counted?
Fair question. I’d assume so.
My memory from scrutineering a long time ago, is that spoiled (invalid) votes go into their own category – so are counted as counted.
Don’t AEC officials determine the intent of the vote even if the vote is spoilt say through error as opposed to vandalism
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
It’s a shame that Billy Bragg is now an idiot who continually attacks feminists and groups like the LGB Alliance.
(For the record, the Nazis didn’t “define Jews by their biology alone” or indeed by their biology at all, but by the usual toxic antisemitic tropes of the day).
Couldn’t we keep this crap in its own thread?
My posts are not crap, and I anticipate an apology.
Bubblecar said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bubblecar said:It’s a shame that Billy Bragg is now an idiot who continually attacks feminists and groups like the LGB Alliance.
(For the record, the Nazis didn’t “define Jews by their biology alone” or indeed by their biology at all, but by the usual toxic antisemitic tropes of the day).
Couldn’t we keep this crap in its own thread?
My posts are not crap, and I anticipate an apology.
I was referring to the subject matter of the post.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bubblecar said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Couldn’t we keep this crap in its own thread?
My posts are not crap, and I anticipate an apology.
I was referring to the subject matter of the post.
Bragg was talking crap, yes :)
Which is why I posted it, to remind people that not everyone on the Left is either bright or ethically defensible.
Even without his ideological confusion over women’s & gay rights, Billy Bragg is a lifelong self-promoting virtue-signaller, here even using the Oz election to demonstrate his personal “relevance”.
Kev Bonham notes that in 2019, 46 seats were decided by 1st preference (ie 1st pref alone was enough to get someone to 50%).
This year it was down to about 16 seats decided on 1st preference.
dv said:
Kev Bonham notes that in 2019, 46 seats were decided by 1st preference (ie 1st pref alone was enough to get someone to 50%).This year it was down to about 16 seats decided on 1st preference.
How is Kev?
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Kev Bonham notes that in 2019, 46 seats were decided by 1st preference (ie 1st pref alone was enough to get someone to 50%).This year it was down to about 16 seats decided on 1st preference.
How is Kev?
Dunno, it can be hard to get a read on those sciency types
In all seriousness I am content for Albanese to hold his folks to higher standards though.
dv said:
In all seriousness I am content for Albanese to hold his folks to higher standards though.
but also and in all fairness maybe that dude was just being true to the conservative tradwife fetish and acknowledging the truth of women belonging at home doing housework including cleaning the floor
Update for Rev. Still 151 up for grabs.
dv said:
Update for Rev. Still 151 up for grabs.
Thanks dv.
Against all logic, I shall continue to hope that Berowra may yet swing to Labor.
dv said:
In all seriousness I am content for Albanese to hold his folks to higher standards though.
And whats more, the Internet seems to suggest that this Adrian Pimento person is not a real person.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Update for Rev. Still 151 up for grabs.
Thanks dv.
Against all logic, I shall continue to hope that Berowra may yet swing to Labor.
well, if these people are to be believed, and i see no reason why the shouldn’t, then live in hope
Michael V said:
buffy said:
Bubblecar said:I see she’s resigned:
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/guide-dogs-victoria-ceo-resigns-after-josh-frydenberg-endorsement-20220531-p5apze.html
That took a while for her to make the decision. It was clearly not allowed under the rules for charities for her to endorse.
She resigned weeks back.
The board stood her down. I think she has only just resigned.
dv said:
In all seriousness I am content for Albanese to hold his folks to higher standards though.
As my mother would say (if she still had her marbles and if visiting was allowed – yes, still in lockdown): You do not need to stoop to their level. Show that you are better than they are.
Boris said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Update for Rev. Still 151 up for grabs.
Thanks dv.
Against all logic, I shall continue to hope that Berowra may yet swing to Labor.
well, if these people are to be believed, and i see no reason why the shouldn’t, then live in hope
Somebody thinks the election is to be mined.
Kind of good news. Libs have pulled ahead of UAP for the 6th seat in the Senate for Vic, and Libs have also moved ahead of One Nation in SA.
OTOH, Hanson has firmed her position ahead of Legalise Cannabis for the 6th place in Qld.
dv said:
I’d like to see Assange come home.
so apparently Eden-Monaro is the only called so far
SCIENCE said:
so apparently Eden-Monaro is the only called so far
declared we mean
SCIENCE said:
so apparently Eden-Monaro is the only called so far
100% of all declared seats are ALP’s, if that keeps up it will be quite a landslide
AEC’s social media team is off the chain
Perhaps they can win an award for biggest waste of money for zero return
dv said:
AEC’s social media team is off the chain
Methinkth they have a lithp.
Cymek said:
Perhaps they can win an award for biggest waste of money for zero return
Did they fork out 9 billion dollars for zero submarines?
dv said:
AEC’s social media team is off the chain
Actually, The UAP is correct: millions did fail to vote.
More specifically, they failed to vote for the UAP.
Meanwhile Cook and Macq have also been declared, bringing the total to 3.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
AEC’s social media team is off the chain
Actually, The UAP is correct: millions did fail to vote.
More specifically, they failed to vote for the UAP.
Whereas the UAP voters voted to fail
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
AEC’s social media team is off the chain
Actually, The UAP is correct: millions did fail to vote.
More specifically, they failed to vote for the UAP.
:) I’d say tthat the vast majority failed to register a vote for the UAP.
Talk about milliions wasted on a zero return.
dv said:
Cymek said:
Perhaps they can win an award for biggest waste of money for zero return
Did they fork out 9 billion dollars for zero submarines?
That would be the winner
dv said:
Cymek said:
Perhaps they can win an award for biggest waste of money for zero return
Did they fork out 9 billion dollars for zero submarines?
Dealing with a French company was never going to be an easy road to travel.
On the other hand, a government that wanted to take a sub designed as a nuclear boat and change the design to conventional power, and it seems, unable to make up its mind about just what it wanted the boats to be able to do, wasn’t going to make the process any easier.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
AEC’s social media team is off the chain
Actually, The UAP is correct: millions did fail to vote.
More specifically, they failed to vote for the UAP.
+0.7% swing to the UAP. Probably people drinking bleach?
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
Cymek said:
Perhaps they can win an award for biggest waste of money for zero return
Did they fork out 9 billion dollars for zero submarines?
Dealing with a French company was never going to be an easy road to travel.
On the other hand, a government that wanted to take a sub designed as a nuclear boat and change the design to conventional power, and it seems, unable to make up its mind about just what it wanted the boats to be able to do, wasn’t going to make the process any easier.
Those French accents are hard to understand
“Haaleuu. Can eyyyy baye uurrrf assisooonceh?”
dv said:
AEC’s social media team is off the chain
LOLOL
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
AEC’s social media team is off the chain
Actually, The UAP is correct: millions did fail to vote.
More specifically, they failed to vote for the UAP.
+0.7% swing to the UAP. Probably people drinking bleach?
antony said that was actually less votes for UAP in seats that have run them before but more UAP candidates. It’s a shitty turn out.
GOod.
5 seats declared now. Flying through them.
6 seats declared now…
23 HOR seats declared now.
Senate results are 6 days away.
Deakin margin has closed to 366.
no wonder there’s no uptake of LC parties elsewhere, their raison d’être is voided
The ACT also legalised the personal use of cannabis in 2019
SCIENCE said:
no wonder there’s no uptake of LC parties elsewhere, their raison d’être is voidedThe ACT also legalised the personal use of cannabis in 2019
Elsewhere meaning specifically the ACT …
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-09/wa-liberals-branch-stacking-preselection-rorts-revealed/101138090
A leaked review of Liberal Party membership records in WA has revealed apparent branch stacking and manipulation of state preselections.
In October the party engaged Perth financial services firm BDO to examine its membership records for the previous two financial years.
That report, distributed to Liberal Party state council members last night, has identified multiple party memberships being paid for using a single credit card as a widespread issue.
The review found there were 29 credit cards on file that were funding more than 10 party memberships each.
In one instance, a single card was used for 66 transactions.
The review also identified a number of occasions where multiple party members who were not related were listed as living at a single address — likely an “attempted manipulation of the local component of state preselections”.
The report was conducted in the wake of the party’s abysmal performance at last year’s state election.
WA Liberal Party president Richard Wilson said reforms to eradicate the behaviours from the party would be taken to the next state conference.
“Passing the proposed rule changes and constitutional reforms is absolutely vital to ensure the public sees we are cleaning up our internal governance and are committed to a successful rebuild ahead of the 2025 elections,” he said.
Liberal state director Stuart Smith and deputy director Jesse Wolton had asked BDO to investigate three main areas of concern:
Multiple membership renewals paid with the same credit card (or same person);
Multiple non-family members registered at the same address; and
Multiple branch transfers in a 12-month period.
Among the key findings in the report were that “multiple membership renewals on the same card appear to be frequent and widespread across party branches”.
The practice of multiple unrelated people being listed as living at the same address did not appear to be widespread, nor did the practice of members transferring across party branches multiple times.
But the report went on to detail “widespread party enrolment outside division boundaries”.
Of the more than 9,000 memberships examined for the report, about a third were found to be living in a division different to that of their registered division.
The annual renewal fee for Liberal Party membership in WA is $25.
The report was based on information provided by the party in November, including discussions with Mr Smith and Mr Wotton, and BDO stressed that it had made no conclusions “as to whether any actions or breaches of policy or practice are unlawful”.
Suggested reforms will be debated at the Liberal Party state conference next month.
It is understood these will include a requirement for members to actively confirm their wishes to remain a member each year.
This would prevent a scenario where an otherwise inactive member remains signed up simply because someone is paying their fees.
Another suggested reform is likely to be checking a member’s listed residential address against the Australian electoral roll.
Such changes would require 75 per cent support to be adopted.
The leaked report, addressed to Stuart Smith, was dated December 22, 2021.
If follows a damning internal Liberal Party review in the wake of its disastrous result in the 2021 state election.
That report highlighted instances where senior members had paid for multiple memberships, although it noted there might have been legitimate explanations for those payments.
It found one person had paid for 68 memberships and another had paid for 39 between July 15, 2020 and 2021.
The WA Liberals were also embarrassed by the leaking of 700 pages of WhatsApp messages from an informal party group naming themselves “The Clan”.
Among the messages were jokes from members of the group about branch stacking.
The Liberal Party state council is due to meet this weekend.
It will be one of the first opportunities senior members of the WA party have had to officially discuss its performance at the federal election.
The Liberals lost four WA seats to the Labor Party and the previously blue-ribbon electorate of Curtin to independent, Kate Chaney.
WA Liberal leader David Honey said he was looking forward to a positive outcome from the party’s reform process.
“We need to demonstrate to Western Australians that our processes are open and accountable and ensure that individuals and groups do not have undue influence in the party,” he said in a statement.
“We have two elections — state and federal — that will occur closely together in 2025.
“We need to implement the required reforms quickly and then focus our attention on developing good policies and identifying excellent candidates that properly represent their electorates.”
dv said:
Deakin margin has closed to 366.
Indeed it appears Deakin will end up the closest seat (though despite Rev’s optimism it seems there is still no chance Labor will take it).
dv said:
dv said:
Deakin margin has closed to 366.
Indeed it appears Deakin will end up the closest seat (though despite Rev’s optimism it seems there is still no chance Labor will take it).
Such optimism was only in the days of my youth, last week.
NT and ACT senate results have been finalised.
These are both historically significant results.
Jacinta Napinjumpa Price is the first aboriginal senator to be elected for the Country Liberal Party in the NT. Fully three quarters of the NT’s current parliamentary representatives are aboriginal women.
Pocock is the first independent elected to the Senate for the ACT. Indeed up until now the ACT has always elected one Labor, one Liberal. Pocock’s campaign focused on emissions reduction and corruption and it is anticipated that he will be someone Labor can work well with in the Senate.
dv said:
NT and ACT senate results have been finalised.
These are both historically significant results.
Jacinta Napinjumpa Price is the first aboriginal senator to be elected for the Country Liberal Party in the NT. Fully three quarters of the NT’s current parliamentary representatives are aboriginal women.
Pocock is the first independent elected to the Senate for the ACT. Indeed up until now the ACT has always elected one Labor, one Liberal. Pocock’s campaign focused on emissions reduction and corruption and it is anticipated that he will be someone Labor can work well with in the Senate.
Below the Line vote in the ACT was 19%.
Fuckin’ nerds
dv said:
dv said:
NT and ACT senate results have been finalised.
These are both historically significant results.
Jacinta Napinjumpa Price is the first aboriginal senator to be elected for the Country Liberal Party in the NT. Fully three quarters of the NT’s current parliamentary representatives are aboriginal women.
Pocock is the first independent elected to the Senate for the ACT. Indeed up until now the ACT has always elected one Labor, one Liberal. Pocock’s campaign focused on emissions reduction and corruption and it is anticipated that he will be someone Labor can work well with in the Senate.
Below the Line vote in the ACT was 19%.
Fuckin’ nerds
what was it in other places? Some of us here vote below the line.
buffy said:
dv said:
dv said:
NT and ACT senate results have been finalised.
These are both historically significant results.
Jacinta Napinjumpa Price is the first aboriginal senator to be elected for the Country Liberal Party in the NT. Fully three quarters of the NT’s current parliamentary representatives are aboriginal women.
Pocock is the first independent elected to the Senate for the ACT. Indeed up until now the ACT has always elected one Labor, one Liberal. Pocock’s campaign focused on emissions reduction and corruption and it is anticipated that he will be someone Labor can work well with in the Senate.
Below the Line vote in the ACT was 19%.
Fuckin’ nerds
what was it in other places? Some of us here vote below the line.
Senate results in the states haven’t been finalised yet.
It was 10% in the NT.
SA senate results expected to be finalised today.
Five are considered locked in (2 Liberal, 2 Labor, 1 Green), with the Sixth seat going to either Liberals or One Nation.
dv said:
Good.
Michael V said:
dv said:
Good.
Not everyone thinks so
Stop the steal!
dv said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
Good.
Not everyone thinks so
Stop the steal!
oh my.. some real Trumpian vibes right there
Explanation:
Victoria is now the only jurisdiction in Australia that uses group ticket voting, allowing for the “preference lotteries” that Glenn Druery organises to elect people on a percent of a vote or less.
dv said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
Good.
Not everyone thinks so
Stop the steal!
Have people lost faith in the AEC
The F stands for fuckin’
dv said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
Good.
Not everyone thinks so
Stop the steal!
https://aboutregional.com.au/eden-monaro-candidate-andrew-thaler-pleads-guilty-to-intimidating-a-woman/
Cymek said:
dv said:
Michael V said:Good.
Not everyone thinks so
Stop the steal!
Have people lost faith in the AEC
Not me.
Some are attracted to Trumpian Conspiracy notions.
Liddle of the Liberals has edged out the One Nation candidate.
dv said:
Liddle of the Liberals has edged out the One Nation candidate.
So, two Pococks in the senate.
When I did my little Senate forecast on 24/5 in this thread, it was looking as though One Nation would pick up a senate seat for SA, so I’m going to count the Lib win as good news
sibeen said:
dv said:
Liddle of the Liberals has edged out the One Nation candidate.
So, two Pococks in the senate.
Not a fan?
sibeen said:
dv said:
Liddle of the Liberals has edged out the One Nation candidate.
So, two Pococks in the senate.
Surprisingly, unrelated
dv said:
sibeen said:
dv said:
Liddle of the Liberals has edged out the One Nation candidate.
So, two Pococks in the senate.
Surprisingly, unrelated
not even via Charlemagne?
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:
sibeen said:So, two Pococks in the senate.
Surprisingly, unrelated
not even via Charlemagne?
Khan say for sure
dv said:
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:Surprisingly, unrelated
not even via Charlemagne?
Khan say for sure
Kirk’ll get you
this has been a really long night
What the fuck
Witty Rejoinder said:
sibeen said:
dv said:
Liddle of the Liberals has edged out the One Nation candidate.
So, two Pococks in the senate.
Not a fan?
No real thought either way. It’s not that common a surname, so a bit surprising to have two in the senate is all.
sibeen said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
sibeen said:So, two Pococks in the senate.
Not a fan?
No real thought either way. It’s not that common a surname, so a bit surprising to have two in the senate is all.
Oh i didn’t know there was two of them. I thought you were dismissing Pocock and SA’s Liberal Liddle as both ‘cocks’.
dv said:
What the fuck
But I see the Libs have got a pretty good chance of winning anyway.
Witty Rejoinder said:
sibeen said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Not a fan?
No real thought either way. It’s not that common a surname, so a bit surprising to have two in the senate is all.
Oh i didn’t know there was two of them. I thought you were dismissing Pocock and SA’s Liberal Liddle as both ‘cocks’.
Ahh. David Pocock, ex Australian Rugby captain, won a senate seat in the ACT.
sibeen said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
sibeen said:No real thought either way. It’s not that common a surname, so a bit surprising to have two in the senate is all.
Oh i didn’t know there was two of them. I thought you were dismissing Pocock and SA’s Liberal Liddle as both ‘cocks’.
Ahh. David Pocock, ex Australian Rugby captain, won a senate seat in the ACT.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
What the fuck
But I see the Libs have got a pretty good chance of winning anyway.
remember when Jerome Laxale who recently took old honest john’s* seat managed to luck out in the locals
*: seems you want to be called John or some other J name to have the best chance of taking that seat
Witty Rejoinder said:
sibeen said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Not a fan?
No real thought either way. It’s not that common a surname, so a bit surprising to have two in the senate is all.
Oh i didn’t know there was two of them. I thought you were dismissing Pocock and SA’s Liberal Liddle as both ‘cocks’.
You dingus
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
What the fuck
But I see the Libs have got a pretty good chance of winning anyway.
Yes
dv said:
Liddle of the Liberals has edged out the One Nation candidate.
I’m glad PHON didn’t get in.
IdK who this Jim Mantzikopoulos is but he better watch himself, that’s all.
dv said:
IdK who this Jim Mantzikopoulos is but he better watch himself, that’s all.
Looks like he might be a descendant of Winston Mantzikopoulos.
Arts said:
this has been a really long night
thankfully not a night of long knives
sibeen said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
sibeen said:So, two Pococks in the senate.
Not a fan?
No real thought either way. It’s not that common a surname, so a bit surprising to have two in the senate is all.
When I started work one of the receptionists had that surname. Which is why it catches my eye.
dv said:
:)
Arts said:
this has been a really long night
Point taken but the results are still being computed and even after that there will be some analytical discussion.
Tasmania’s senate results are expected to be finalised tomorrow.
And it’s gonna be a long night
And it’s gonna be cold without your arms
And I’m gonna get stage fright caught in the headlights…
Senate results in Tas finalised. It went as the boffins predicted.
dv said:
Senate results in Tas finalised. It went as the boffins predicted.
Now have a tag team of Jacqui & Tammy.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Senate results in Tas finalised. It went as the boffins predicted.
Now have a tag team of Jacqui & Tammy.
dv said:
Senate results in Tas finalised. It went as the boffins predicted.
Too many liberals but the right amount of abetz’s.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Senate results in Tas finalised. It went as the boffins predicted.
Too many liberals but the right amount of abetz’s.
The only good Abetz is a gone Abetz.
All going to plan so far but if Stoker can get past Hanson in Qld that would be acecakes Jakes.
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Senate results in Tas finalised. It went as the boffins predicted.
Too many liberals but the right amount of abetz’s.
The only good Abetz is a gone Abetz.
Pleasing opening line:
Eric Abetz (born 25 January 1958) is a former Australian politician….
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Abetz
dv said:
All going to plan so far but if Stoker can get past Hanson in Qld that would be acecakes Jakes.
Please, please, pretty please.
Qld Senate results will be finalised today.
The boffins seem to think it is more likely that Hanson will nab the final seat but there is some chance Stoker of the Libs will get past her.
Bit weird for someone to use the name Jonno on a ballot but I suppose it’s not a real problem.
dv said:
Qld Senate results will be finalised today.The boffins seem to think it is more likely that Hanson will nab the final seat but there is some chance Stoker of the Libs will get past her.
I so hope that Hanson gets beaten.
Aec said they’d have the new senate results at 9:30. I assumed they meant AEST. Tick tock mf.
No surprises at all in NSW.
dv said:
No surprises at all in NSW.
That’s a surprise.
dv said:
No surprises at all in NSW.
Like it
Not very happy that Palmer has mouthpiece in parliament for six years.
But for the next 3 years at least he won’t need to be factored in to negotiations.
Ian said:
dv said:
No surprises at all in NSW.
Like it
..well at least that funky picto at the bottom..
Ian said:
dv said:
No surprises at all in NSW.
Like it
..well at least that funky picto at the bottom..
That only leaves the WA senate results with no word yet on when that might be announced.
dv said:
Not very happy that Palmer has mouthpiece in parliament for six years.
But for the next 3 years at least he won’t need to be factored in to negotiations.
I’m a preralphalite.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Not very happy that Palmer has mouthpiece in parliament for six years.
But for the next 3 years at least he won’t need to be factored in to negotiations.
I’m a preralphalite.
https://www.crikey.com.au/2022/06/20/meet-ralph-babet-clive-palmer-acolyte-and-maybe-victorias-newest-senator/
Ralph Babet believed that the 2022 federal election was going to be rigged. The United Australia Party candidate changed his tune when it became likely that he would become Victoria’s newest senator.
Beyond arguing that the election was going to be fraudulent, Babet promoted the same conspiracy theory that the World Economic Forum is carrying out a globalist takeover of the country’s sovereignty. Soon after the election was called for Labor, he posted on his account: “I would like to congratulate the prime minister of Australia on an excellent campaign. Well done Klaus Schwab.”
Despite his dislike for the man responsible for creating the “billionaire circus” at Davos, Babet is a fanboy of other billionaires. At a rally earlier this month he boasted about meeting Palmer a handful of times and defended him online against reports he hadn’t paid his staff. Babet also tweeted glowingly about Elon Musk and was stoked about his proposed takeover of Twitter.
He also spoke at rallies and tweeted about ending Australia’s “digital ID legislation”, another fear-mongering UAP party promise that posits that a real government scheme is actually an attempt to implement China’s social credit system here.
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Ah well we could be in for some fun speeches.
dv said:
Not very happy that Palmer has mouthpiece in parliament for six years.
But for the next 3 years at least he won’t need to be factored in to negotiations.
Three years of being ignored, if not being told outright to shut up and f*** off.
How many UAP senators does that make?
Witty Rejoinder said:
How many UAP senators does that make?
Uno
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
How many UAP senators does that make?
Uno
He wouldn’t have asked if he knew.
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
How many UAP senators does that make?
Uno
I imagine lockdowns were an issue in Victoria.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
How many UAP senators does that make?
Uno
He wouldn’t have asked if he knew.
Amusing
WA senate results expected at 2pm aest
Age and education key demographics in government’s election loss: ANU study
https://theconversation.com/age-and-education-key-demographics-in-governments-election-loss-anu-study-185374
As predicted but still a remarkable result in WA to have four senators elected from the left side of the table.
dv said:
Here’s a little graphical summary on the state of play in the senate.There are 36 seats not up for election this year: the terms expiring in 2025. The standard mix in a state class these days seems to be 3 Lib or Nat seats, 2 ALP, 1 Green, which basically gives a 50/50 balance between Right and Left. In the continuing class there are two exceptions. Qld only has 1 ALP, 1 One Nation, Tasmania has 2 Libs, 1 Lambie. Lambie is an idiosyncratic senatore but one that the ALP can come to accommodations with, and can probably be genuinely considered a figure of the centre. The Class of 2025 thus has 18 for the Right, 17 for the Left, 1 Centre.
The class expiring now is a bit poor for Greens. While Victoria, WA and Tasmania all follow the 3-2-1 pattern described above, Queensland has no Green representative and instead has 1 for One Nation. NSW has no Green, 3 ALP. South Australia also has no Green, and only has 2 Libs, but instead has two people formerly connected to Nick Xenophon who I suppose can be considered to be Centre folk. The Class of 2022, for the states, has 18 for the Right, 16 for the Left, 2 Centre.
Additionally there are the Senators for the Territories, whose terms last 3 years, and perennially each have 1 Coalition senator, 1 ALP senator.
There will be 40 senators whose terms start this year and we can pretty much be 100% certain of 33 of them already, with 7 unknowns. The “knowns” include 2 Coalition, 2 ALP and 1 Green for each state, so this is immediately a big boost for the Greens, getting them to 12 Senators. The last of the Xenophon people appear to have gone.
It seems very likely that Pocock is going to make history by becoming a senator for the ACT. There is a small chance that the Libs will get up instead. Considering Pocock’s positions, I am content to say he is part of the Left.
The Lambie candidate in Tasmania, Tammy Tyrrell, is in a good position to win a seat. There is again a small possibility that the Libs will win a third seat instead.
Things appear a bit sensitively poised in South Australia. One Nation is ahead at the moment in the race for the 6th slot, but Legalise Cannabis, UAP, and indeed a third Liberal are all possibilities.
WA appears to be about the do the unthinkable and have 4 senators from the Left in a single class. That doesn’t happen often. ALP is leading the race for the 6th senate position, though One Nation and Legalise Cannabis have a shot.
The 6th position in Qld is probably going to come down to One Nation versus Legalise Cannabis. One Nation is ahead.
In Victoria, UAP is ahead. Again, Legalise Cannabis has a chance.
In NSW, probably the final slot will go to the Liberals, but One Nation has a chance.
So if the “likely” winners win, we will end up with 39 for the Left, 2 for the Centre, 35 for the Right.
Best case scenario for the Right would be 37 Left, 1 Centre, 38 Right.
If we consider Legalise Cannabis to be Left (it is patchy, they are a bit antivax) then the best case scenario for the Left would be 42 Left, 2 Centre, 32 Right.
Somewhat disheartening that it is possible we will end up with a Senate with 5 One Nation members, or 2 for UAP, but there you go.
Reviewing the projections from earlier, it went as expected with one exception: the Libs picked up the final seat in SA, rather than One Nation, so I’ll count that as a little bit of good news.
All up, a very jolly picture for progressives.
6 senators elected for Greens, meaning they now have 2 senators from each state. Their parliamentary presence has grown to 16.
15 senators elected for ALP, they have 26 senators now, some poindexter tell me the last time 4 senators from the left half were elected in WA.
1 David Pocock and 2 Lambies, I hope they play their hands wisely. There are now zero Liberals representing the ACT in either house of parliament.
2 ONP and 1 UAP ah well into every garden some nutgrass must fall.
12 Libs elected (including CLP and LNP). This brings them to 27.
3 Nats elected (including LNP) bringing them to 5. They actually increased their representation by 1 this year.
In 2013 I was a bit surprised at how many non-Classic divisions there were. This means divisions whose final 2-candidate contest is not between Labor and the Coalition. There were 11 such in 2013.
This year there were 25. If this trend were to continue we’d eventually get to the point where the traditional 2 Party Preferred becomes obsolete.
But perhaps the trend won’t continue and this was just a weird election.
Of these, 7 involved the ALP, and 18 involved the Coalition, as follows.
Clark: IND defeats ALP
Fowler: IND defeats ALP
Canberra: ALP defeats GREEN
Cooper: ALP defeats GREEN
Grayndler: ALP defeats GREEN
Sydney: ALP defeats GREEN
Brisbane: GREEN defeats LNP
Griffith: GREEN defeats LNP
Ryan: GREEN defeats LNP
Melbourne: GREEN defeats ALP
Bradfield: LIB defeats IND
Calare: NAT defeats IND
Cowper: NAT defeats IND
Groom: LNP defeats IND
Nicholls: NAT defeats IND
Wannon: LIB defeats IND
Curtin: IND defeats LIB
Goldstein: IND defeats LIB
Indi: IND defeats LIB
Kooyong: IND defeats LIB
Mackellar: IND defeats LIB
North Sydney: IND defeats LIB
Warringah: IND defeats LIB
Kennedy: KAP defeats LNP
Mayo: CA defeats LIB
Going through the preference flows in WA senate results…
After the third Liberal was excluded, the remaining 99327 votes from the Coalition voters and other voters for conservative minor parties were divided between ALP and One Nation, minus those that exhausted by running out of preferences.
Before that exclusion it stood as:
Payman ALP 155170
Filing ON 133111
30822 went to the ALP, 29391 went to One Nation, and 39147 were exhausted.
I suppose it is a good thing that more voters on the conservative side preferred Labor over One Nation, I’ll give them a respectful nod for that, but it is also noteworthy that 40% of them did not include either of those parties in their preference list.
dv said:
Going through the preference flows in WA senate results…After the third Liberal was excluded, the remaining 99327 votes from the Coalition voters and other voters for conservative minor parties were divided between ALP and One Nation, minus those that exhausted by running out of preferences.
Before that exclusion it stood as:
Payman ALP 155170
Filing ON 13311130822 went to the ALP, 29391 went to One Nation, and 39147 were exhausted.
I suppose it is a good thing that more voters on the conservative side preferred Labor over One Nation, I’ll give them a respectful nod for that, but it is also noteworthy that 40% of them did not include either of those parties in their preference list.
Palmies?
sibeen said:
dv said:
Going through the preference flows in WA senate results…After the third Liberal was excluded, the remaining 99327 votes from the Coalition voters and other voters for conservative minor parties were divided between ALP and One Nation, minus those that exhausted by running out of preferences.
Before that exclusion it stood as:
Payman ALP 155170
Filing ON 13311130822 went to the ALP, 29391 went to One Nation, and 39147 were exhausted.
I suppose it is a good thing that more voters on the conservative side preferred Labor over One Nation, I’ll give them a respectful nod for that, but it is also noteworthy that 40% of them did not include either of those parties in their preference list.
Palmies?
Maybe. Antony has noted that there is a greater tendency for voters for minor right parties to give few preferences.
dv said:
sibeen said:
dv said:
Going through the preference flows in WA senate results…After the third Liberal was excluded, the remaining 99327 votes from the Coalition voters and other voters for conservative minor parties were divided between ALP and One Nation, minus those that exhausted by running out of preferences.
Before that exclusion it stood as:
Payman ALP 155170
Filing ON 13311130822 went to the ALP, 29391 went to One Nation, and 39147 were exhausted.
I suppose it is a good thing that more voters on the conservative side preferred Labor over One Nation, I’ll give them a respectful nod for that, but it is also noteworthy that 40% of them did not include either of those parties in their preference list.
Palmies?
Maybe. Antony has noted that there is a greater tendency for voters for minor right parties to give few preferences.
Counting to six is fucking hard. Get off their case.
All seats declared now.
Apart from anything else I’m sure this election was a relief to Polling companies. The result was well within the error bars of their final polls. Final polling aggregate before the election was 53.5 – 46.5.
Mark The Ballot (Bryan Palmer) precisely predicted 77 ALP seats as the most likely outcome so good on him.
On a state by state basis the results were also pretty much as polled except for Qld , with most pollsters saying it would be 51-49 for ALP, but it went 54-46 for the Coalition, a big miss. In fair ess the “undecided” stayed pretty fat in Qld even in the final weeks so I guess a lot of them finally decided to go with the Coalition.
dv said:
precisely predicted 77 ALP seats as the most likely outcome so good
not sure if this problem is particularly smooth so doubtful much can be made of exact hits but hey we’ren’t psephs
SCIENCE said:
dv said:precisely predicted 77 ALP seats as the most likely outcome so good
not sure if this problem is particularly smooth so doubtful much can be made of exact hits but hey we’ren’t psephs
What method of prediction, card, bones, octopus ?
Cymek said:
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
precisely predicted 77 ALP seats as the most likely outcome so good
not sure if this problem is particularly smooth so doubtful much can be made of exact hits but hey we’ren’t psephs
What method of prediction, card, bones, octopus ?
stars and stripes
Cymek said:
SCIENCE said:
dv said:precisely predicted 77 ALP seats as the most likely outcome so good
not sure if this problem is particularly smooth so doubtful much can be made of exact hits but hey we’ren’t psephs
What method of prediction, card, bones, octopus ?
Tamb said:
Cymek said:
SCIENCE said:not sure if this problem is particularly smooth so doubtful much can be made of exact hits but hey we’ren’t psephs
What method of prediction, card, bones, octopus ?
My prediction re Bob’s win was correct.
You give Cassandra a run for her money, no doubt.
sibeen said:
Tamb said:
Cymek said:What method of prediction, card, bones, octopus ?
My prediction re Bob’s win was correct.You give Cassandra a run for her money, no doubt.
Tamb said:
sibeen said:
Tamb said:My prediction re Bob’s win was correct.
You give Cassandra a run for her money, no doubt.
I do not know of this person.
Cassandra is a seer in Greek mythology.
sibeen said:
Tamb said:
sibeen said:You give Cassandra a run for her money, no doubt.
I do not know of this person.Cassandra is a seer in Greek mythology.
Is this Bob Welcome Back Katter
sibeen said:
Tamb said:
sibeen said:You give Cassandra a run for her money, no doubt.
I do not know of this person.Cassandra is a seer in Greek mythology.
Tamb said:
sibeen said:
Tamb said:My prediction re Bob’s win was correct.
You give Cassandra a run for her money, no doubt.
I do not know of this person.
Woodie said:
Tamb said:
sibeen said:You give Cassandra a run for her money, no doubt.
I do not know of this person.
~You give Cassandra a run for her money, no doubt.
Well, I’m certainly better looking.
Woodie said:
Tamb said:
sibeen said:You give Cassandra a run for her money, no doubt.
I do not know of this person.
Red Dwarf AI that predicts the future
Tamb said:
sibeen said:
Tamb said:
I do not know of this person.
Cassandra is a seer in Greek mythology.
Oh. That Cassandra.
as opposed to this one
