Need to get out of the election thread now.

This was remarkably efficient screening for a department that can take years to screen. These are the people who arrived on election day – 4 days ago.

>>The commander of Operation Sovereign Borders, Rear Admiral Justin Jones, said a thorough screening of each individual’s health and protection status was completed before the group was taken back. <<

From:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-24/labor-turns-back-election-day-asylum-seeker-boat-arrival/101095322

Also, Mr Micallef must be spitting chips that he isn’t producing a Mad as Hell program at the moment. Dutton for Opposition leader!

The quad 4 intelligence test.

My personal opinion is that Albanese is a moron. IQ near 40.

If Albanese sends Australian troops to Ukraine then I hold firm on that IQ.
If Albanese sends Australian military advisers, money and weapons to Ukraine as well then lower that IQ to zero.
If Albanese doesn’t send any Australian troops, military advisers, money or weapons to Ukraine then I’ll raise my estimate of his IQ.

Let’s call it the Quad 4 intelligence test.

Takes one to know one.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Takes one to know one.

do you mean 4 or 40 c’m‘on

mollwollfumble said:

The quad 4 intelligence test.

My personal opinion is that Albanese is a moron. IQ near 40.

If Albanese sends Australian troops to Ukraine then I hold firm on that IQ.
If Albanese sends Australian military advisers, money and weapons to Ukraine as well then lower that IQ to zero.
If Albanese doesn’t send any Australian troops, military advisers, money or weapons to Ukraine then I’ll raise my estimate of his IQ.

Let’s call it the Quad 4 intelligence test.

It’s hugely improbable that the Albanese government is even faintly contemplating sending any Australian military people to Ukraine.

Why would they, when countries with more immediate location to and risk in the conflict (Poland, Germany etc) haven’t done so, and don’t look likely to?

As for weapons, we really don’t have any stockpiles of anything like a size where they could be sent elsewhere without noticeably depleting our own capabilities and potentials, so there’s not much chance of that.

Money? Who knows? Until COVID, governments were forever telling us that things couldn’t be done because money was too tight to mention, and then suddenly it’s hundreds of millions for this and billions for that, and it just fucking rained money (see ref. to G. Harvey, above).

So maybe there’s no money to send, and maybe there is. Probably no-one knows for sure right now.

captain_spalding said:

mollwollfumble said:

The quad 4 intelligence test.

My personal opinion is that Albanese is a moron. IQ near 40.

If Albanese sends Australian troops to Ukraine then I hold firm on that IQ.
If Albanese sends Australian military advisers, money and weapons to Ukraine as well then lower that IQ to zero.
If Albanese doesn’t send any Australian troops, military advisers, money or weapons to Ukraine then I’ll raise my estimate of his IQ.

Let’s call it the Quad 4 intelligence test.

It’s hugely improbable that the Albanese government is even faintly contemplating sending any Australian military people to Ukraine.

Why would they, when countries with more immediate location to and risk in the conflict (Poland, Germany etc) haven’t done so, and don’t look likely to?

As for weapons, we really don’t have any stockpiles of anything like a size where they could be sent elsewhere without noticeably depleting our own capabilities and potentials, so there’s not much chance of that.

Money? Who knows? Until COVID, governments were forever telling us that things couldn’t be done because money was too tight to mention, and then suddenly it’s hundreds of millions for this and billions for that, and it just fucking rained money (see ref. to G. Harvey, above).

So maybe there’s no money to send, and maybe there is. Probably no-one knows for sure right now.

You seem to be using a little too much common sense for someone so devoid of critical reasoning skills as our Moronfumble.

Moll lives in a world of his own that bears little resemblance to any known planet.

Bubblecar said:

Moll lives in a world of his own that bears little resemblance to any known planet.

Well, it’s an alternative view that can prompt us to examine the grounds for our own viewpoints.

captain_spalding said:

Bubblecar said:

Moll lives in a world of his own that bears little resemblance to any known planet.

Well, it’s an alternative view that can prompt us to examine the grounds for our own viewpoints.

Nah, it’s basically random nonsense spiced up with hero worship of evil-doers.

Bubblecar said:

captain_spalding said:

Bubblecar said:

Moll lives in a world of his own that bears little resemblance to any known planet.

Well, it’s an alternative view that can prompt us to examine the grounds for our own viewpoints.

Nah, it’s basically random nonsense spiced up with hero worship of evil-doers.

And a fetish for being called a complete idiot…

mollwollfumble said:

The quad 4 intelligence test.

My personal opinion is that Albanese is a moron. IQ near 40.

If Albanese sends Australian troops to Ukraine then I hold firm on that IQ.
If Albanese sends Australian military advisers, money and weapons to Ukraine as well then lower that IQ to zero.
If Albanese doesn’t send any Australian troops, military advisers, money or weapons to Ukraine then I’ll raise my estimate of his IQ.

Let’s call it the Quad 4 intelligence test.

We are sending just weapons. Artillery pieces and armoured vehicles. Not the advisers or money.

captain_spalding said:

Bubblecar said:

Moll lives in a world of his own that bears little resemblance to any known planet.

Well, it’s an alternative view that can prompt us to examine the grounds for our own viewpoints.

Only if they are grounded in reality.

party_pants said:

mollwollfumble said:

The quad 4 intelligence test.

My personal opinion is that Albanese is a moron. IQ near 40.

If Albanese sends Australian troops to Ukraine then I hold firm on that IQ.
If Albanese sends Australian military advisers, money and weapons to Ukraine as well then lower that IQ to zero.
If Albanese doesn’t send any Australian troops, military advisers, money or weapons to Ukraine then I’ll raise my estimate of his IQ.

Let’s call it the Quad 4 intelligence test.

We are sending just weapons. Artillery pieces and armoured vehicles. Not the advisers or money.

Hmm…where’s all those old Leopard I tanks?

still not getting it

Bogsnorkler said:

still not getting it

Is that Ruston?

Bogsnorkler said:

still not getting it

oh…

Witty Rejoinder said:

Bogsnorkler said:

still not getting it

Is that Ruston?

Hume.

Bogsnorkler said:

still not getting it

That’s what the Libs are telling us.

We’re not getting it.

It’s up to us to understand the Liberal Party.

It’s not their job (there’s that phrase again) to understand Australia.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Bogsnorkler said:

still not getting it

Is that Ruston?

no.

captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

mollwollfumble said:

The quad 4 intelligence test.

My personal opinion is that Albanese is a moron. IQ near 40.

If Albanese sends Australian troops to Ukraine then I hold firm on that IQ.
If Albanese sends Australian military advisers, money and weapons to Ukraine as well then lower that IQ to zero.
If Albanese doesn’t send any Australian troops, military advisers, money or weapons to Ukraine then I’ll raise my estimate of his IQ.

Let’s call it the Quad 4 intelligence test.

We are sending just weapons. Artillery pieces and armoured vehicles. Not the advisers or money.

Hmm…where’s all those old Leopard I tanks?

Some went to museums, RSLs and similar. Most were sold for scrap metal. Since we bought them from Germany, they would have to approve of any sales to a thrid country.

mollwollfumble said:

The quad 4 intelligence test.

My personal opinion is that Albanese is a moron. IQ near 40.

If Albanese sends Australian troops to Ukraine then I hold firm on that IQ.
If Albanese sends Australian military advisers, money and weapons to Ukraine as well then lower that IQ to zero.
If Albanese doesn’t send any Australian troops, military advisers, money or weapons to Ukraine then I’ll raise my estimate of his IQ.

Let’s call it the Quad 4 intelligence test.

What went wrong with your brain? It worked so well for so long, and now it just spews this random garbage.

Where are you getting your information from? Remember that when you are programming a computer, if you put garbage in, you get garbage out.

Please find a sensible source of knowledge, as either your source, or your information processing have failed you.

Bogsnorkler said:

still not getting it

You got that right!

party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

We are sending just weapons. Artillery pieces and armoured vehicles. Not the advisers or money.

Hmm…where’s all those old Leopard I tanks?

Some went to museums, RSLs and similar. Most were sold for scrap metal. Since we bought them from Germany, they would have to approve of any sales to a thrid country.

Aww…

We could have sold them to Poland, maybe, and parked them near the border. With the keys in the ignition.

Bogsnorkler said:

still not getting it

Wow. Total denial.

Kingy said:

mollwollfumble said:

The quad 4 intelligence test.

My personal opinion is that Albanese is a moron. IQ near 40.

If Albanese sends Australian troops to Ukraine then I hold firm on that IQ.
If Albanese sends Australian military advisers, money and weapons to Ukraine as well then lower that IQ to zero.
If Albanese doesn’t send any Australian troops, military advisers, money or weapons to Ukraine then I’ll raise my estimate of his IQ.

Let’s call it the Quad 4 intelligence test.

What went wrong with your brain? It worked so well for so long, and now it just spews this random garbage.

Where are you getting your information from? Remember that when you are programming a computer, if you put garbage in, you get garbage out.

Please find a sensible source of knowledge, as either your source, or your information processing have failed you.

He might have a side-hustle in hats.

Kingy said:

Bogsnorkler said:

still not getting it

Wow. Total denial.

They don’t see that they lost the election.

We just made mistakes, and didn’t let them win.

captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

Hmm…where’s all those old Leopard I tanks?

Some went to museums, RSLs and similar. Most were sold for scrap metal. Since we bought them from Germany, they would have to approve of any sales to a thrid country.

Aww…

We could have sold them to Poland, maybe, and parked them near the border. With the keys in the ignition.

I wonder if they would fare well against Russian tanks, or just be death-traps. They are a little bit obsolete by now.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Kingy said:

mollwollfumble said:

The quad 4 intelligence test.

My personal opinion is that Albanese is a moron. IQ near 40.

If Albanese sends Australian troops to Ukraine then I hold firm on that IQ.
If Albanese sends Australian military advisers, money and weapons to Ukraine as well then lower that IQ to zero.
If Albanese doesn’t send any Australian troops, military advisers, money or weapons to Ukraine then I’ll raise my estimate of his IQ.

Let’s call it the Quad 4 intelligence test.

What went wrong with your brain? It worked so well for so long, and now it just spews this random garbage.

Where are you getting your information from? Remember that when you are programming a computer, if you put garbage in, you get garbage out.

Please find a sensible source of knowledge, as either your source, or your information processing have failed you.

He might have a side-hustle in hats.

captain_spalding said:

Kingy said:

Bogsnorkler said:

still not getting it

Wow. Total denial.

They don’t see that they lost the election.

We just made mistakes, and didn’t let them win.

Those bastard customers. They are always wrong, and it costs us so much money. Just give us all your money and fuck off till next election, losers.

party_pants said:

I wonder if they would fare well against Russian tanks, or just be death-traps. They are a little bit obsolete by now.

They’d be a bit undergunned with a 105mm gun.

On the other hand, if well handled…

And i think their survivability aspects would rate higher than e.g. T-72s which are really rather low budget vehicles and apt to light up at the first opportunity.

So did we move on from the Election thread? I kind of feel that the election is a live issue until the results are finalised.

Kingy said:

Those bastard customers. They are always wrong, and it costs us so much money. Just give us all your money and fuck off till next election, losers.

It’s true.

We don’t know what’s good for us. That’s the L/NP’s job. And our stupid voting is not helping The Programme one tiny bit.

dv said:

So did we move on from the Election thread? I kind of feel that the election is a live issue until the results are finalised.

i agree. Keep on putting election stuff in the election thread.

dv said:

So did we move on from the Election thread? I kind of feel that the election is a live issue until the results are finalised.

Buffy the Usurper!

Also this stuff seems like it should be in the Ukraine thread?

captain_spalding said:

Bogsnorkler said:

still not getting it

That’s what the Libs are telling us.

We’re not getting it.

It’s up to us to understand the Liberal Party.

It’s not their job (there’s that phrase again) to understand Australia.

They have said that previously when they lost an election. The electors, they know not what they do, nor what is good for them.

dv said:

Also this stuff seems like it should be in the Ukraine thread?

There is a complaints thread doncha know?!?

Who is Penny Wong, Australia’s new foreign minister?
Born in Malaysia, the openly gay lawmaker is likely to be tested by Beijing

RURIKA IMAHASHI, Nikkei staff writer
May 24, 2022 15:51 JST

SYDNEY — A day after being sworn in as Australia’s first foreign-born foreign minister, Penny Wong was thrown straight into the diplomatic fray on Tuesday as she accompanied new Prime Minister Anthony Albanese to the Quad summit in Tokyo.

Wong brings a lot of experience to the role, having previously served as climate and finance minister and as shadow foreign minister since 2016. She will need these chops to help a prime minister with little diplomatic experience navigate the spillover from the Ukraine war and an acrimonious relationship with China.

Wong was born in 1968 in the Malaysian part of Borneo to an Australian-born mother and Chinese Malaysian father. After her parents split up, she moved with her mother and younger brother to Adelaide in South Australia at the age of 8.

Growing up in 1970s Australia as the country was opening up to more non-European migrants, especially refugees from Vietnam, Wong experienced racial discrimination and bullying. She often faced verbal attacks and saw anti-Asian slogans painted outside their home.

A strong sense of injustice drove her to outperform her classmates in academic subjects and on the sports field. She managed to get a scholarship to Scotch College in Adelaide, one of the most prestigious schools in the country.

Wong first sought a career in medicine, but after spending a year at hospitals in Brazil on a volunteer exchange program she realized she was not cut out for dealing with death and blood. She switched her major from medicine to law and arts at the University of Adelaide, and graduated with honors in 1992.

After working for a trade union and the local government, she was elected to the Senate for the Australian Labor Party in 2001. In her maiden speech in parliament the following year, she criticized Prime Minister John Howard’s use of race as a political issue.

“I seek a nation that is truly one nation, one in which all Australians can share, regardless of race,” Wong said.

Wong is also the country’s first openly gay female national politician and was instrumental in legalizing same-sex marriage in Australia in 2017. She broke down in tears when the result of the referendum on marriage equality was announced.

She lives with her partner, Sophie Allouache, and the couple are raising two daughters, Alexandra and Hannah.

Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanese, right, and Australian Foreign Minister Penny Wong, wave as the two board a plane from Canberra to Japan on Monday to attend the QUAD leaders meeting in Tokyo. © AAP/Reuters
In 2007, Labor Prime Minister Kevin Rudd appointed Wong as minister for climate change and water, making her the first Australian cabinet member to be born in Asia. She went to Bali, Indonesia, to ratify the Kyoto Protocol on Australia’s behalf.

She was appointed as finance minister in 2010, going on to serve as Labor’s Senate leader when the conservative Liberal-National coalition took power in 2013.

Since 2016, she had been the shadow foreign affairs minister. She used her role to attack the government of Prime Minister Scott Morrison over his handling of key diplomatic relationships.

A Roy Morgan survey of 1,409 Australians in March found that Wong was the most trusted politician in Australia. The same poll showed that Morrison was the least trusted.

Neil Thomas, an analyst at Eurasia Group, said Wong would bring “a new dynamism” to the role of foreign minister. As a political force in her party, “Wong’s gravitas would help boost the role of diplomacy in Australia’s China policy.”

Wong has a close friendship with Albanese, who is likely to lean heavily on her for foreign policy.

Richard McGregor, a senior fellow at the Lowy Institute, said China would likely seek to make life difficult for Wong.

“The Chinese government will no doubt try to test her in some fashion. And she will have to respond,” McGregor said. “But I think she’s not inclined to take a soft roll.”

During the election campaign, China signed a security pact with the Solomon Islands, which is historically close to Canberra, and Wong hinted that her Labor government will retain Australia’s tough stance against Beijing.

“We understand the reality of China’s assertiveness and aggression. We understand that our region has been reshaped,” Wong told reporters on April 23. “We understand that the key to ensuring Australia’s security is securing our region. And that means a foreign policy that is more active and more vigorous in our region.”

She met with counterparts from Japan, the U.S. and India while in Tokyo. She tweeted photos of their meetings, saying that she and U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken “discussed cooperation to address geostrategic competition in our region, and making action on climate change a hallmark of our Alliance.”

On her first day as foreign minister, she posted a video on Twitter directed at Pacific nations. “Our region faces unprecedented challenges, but we will face them together,” said Wong. “And we will listen because we care what the Pacific has to say.”

https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/International-relations/Indo-Pacific/Who-is-Penny-Wong-Australia-s-new-foreign-minister?

Kingy said:

Bogsnorkler said:

still not getting it

Wow. Total denial.

The worrying thing about this sort of remark is that it suggests that the L/NP sees the electorate as being the problem.

That they don’t see that they did anything wrong, anything that made it reasonable for the voters to not return them to power.

It’s us who have done the wrong thing. We made a mistake. We’ve wronged the L/NP. We have sinned.

And they’ll nurture the idea that we robbed them, that we were cruel and unfair to them in 2022, all through the time that they’re in Opposition.

And we can expect to be punished for it when they’re next in government.

captain_spalding said:

Kingy said:

Bogsnorkler said:

still not getting it

Wow. Total denial.

The worrying thing about this sort of remark is that it suggests that the L/NP sees the electorate as being the problem.

That they don’t see that they did anything wrong, anything that made it reasonable for the voters to not return them to power.

It’s us who have done the wrong thing. We made a mistake. We’ve wronged the L/NP. We have sinned.

And they’ll nurture the idea that we robbed them, that we were cruel and unfair to them in 2022, all through the time that they’re in Opposition.

And we can expect to be punished for it when they’re next in government.

I live in Franklin. We have been punished for years for voting Labor.

I have commented before that the 40% of people in this electorate that vote Lib get a really rotten deal.

captain_spalding said:

Kingy said:

Bogsnorkler said:

still not getting it

Wow. Total denial.

The worrying thing about this sort of remark is that it suggests that the L/NP sees the electorate as being the problem.

That they don’t see that they did anything wrong, anything that made it reasonable for the voters to not return them to power.

It’s us who have done the wrong thing. We made a mistake. We’ve wronged the L/NP. We have sinned.

And they’ll nurture the idea that we robbed them, that we were cruel and unfair to them in 2022, all through the time that they’re in Opposition.

And we can expect to be punished for it when they’re next in government.

When govts have made such a fuckup of their time in power, it takes several elections before the voting populace decide that the current fuckups are even worse than the previous ones.

Govts are not voted in, govts are voted out in the vain hope that someone else(anybody else) can’t possibly be as bad as them.

sarahs mum said:

I have commented before that the 40% of people in this electorate that vote Lib get a really rotten deal.

It’s collective punishment.

If one or two pupils misbehave, then the whole class has to stay in and do lines at lunch-time.

You punish the ‘innocent’ with the ‘guilty’ to try to bring about a cultural change.

Bogsnorkler said:

still not getting it

Really said?

And if so, by whom?

Kingy said:

mollwollfumble said:

The quad 4 intelligence test.

My personal opinion is that Albanese is a moron. IQ near 40.

If Albanese sends Australian troops to Ukraine then I hold firm on that IQ.
If Albanese sends Australian military advisers, money and weapons to Ukraine as well then lower that IQ to zero.
If Albanese doesn’t send any Australian troops, military advisers, money or weapons to Ukraine then I’ll raise my estimate of his IQ.

Let’s call it the Quad 4 intelligence test.

What went wrong with your brain? It worked so well for so long, and now it just spews this random garbage.

Where are you getting your information from? Remember that when you are programming a computer, if you put garbage in, you get garbage out.

Please find a sensible source of knowledge, as either your source, or your information processing have failed you.

Well said.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Kingy said:

mollwollfumble said:

The quad 4 intelligence test.

My personal opinion is that Albanese is a moron. IQ near 40.

If Albanese sends Australian troops to Ukraine then I hold firm on that IQ.
If Albanese sends Australian military advisers, money and weapons to Ukraine as well then lower that IQ to zero.
If Albanese doesn’t send any Australian troops, military advisers, money or weapons to Ukraine then I’ll raise my estimate of his IQ.

Let’s call it the Quad 4 intelligence test.

What went wrong with your brain? It worked so well for so long, and now it just spews this random garbage.

Where are you getting your information from? Remember that when you are programming a computer, if you put garbage in, you get garbage out.

Please find a sensible source of knowledge, as either your source, or your information processing have failed you.

He might have a side-hustle in hats.

PMSL

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/may/23/is-it-really-true-surely-there-is-a-false-dawn-are-they-really-gone-prime-minister-albo

First Dog

Bogsnorkler said:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/may/23/is-it-really-true-surely-there-is-a-false-dawn-are-they-really-gone-prime-minister-albo

First Dog

Love that dog

Michael V said:

Bogsnorkler said:

still not getting it

Really said?

And if so, by whom?

By Hume

dv said:

Michael V said:

Bogsnorkler said:

still not getting it

Really said?

And if so, by whom?

By Hume

ah, the seat that Angus Taylor is winning for the not-Corruption-at-all party

No planes entered Japanese airspace.

sarahs mum said:

Bogsnorkler said:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/may/23/is-it-really-true-surely-there-is-a-false-dawn-are-they-really-gone-prime-minister-albo

First Dog

Love that dog

:)

dv said:

Michael V said:

Bogsnorkler said:

still not getting it

Really said?

And if so, by whom?

By Hume

Seems a little strange to me that this woman is considered a contender for the number 2 slot but Marise Payne doesn’t get a mention .

dv said:

Michael V said:

Bogsnorkler said:

still not getting it

Really said?

And if so, by whom?

By Hume

Did Hovell agree?

(I have no idea who Hume is, or refers to, sorry.) (I know the river, I’ve heard of the electorate and I learnt about the white explorers and their perambulator at school.)

Michael V said:

dv said:

Michael V said:

Really said?

And if so, by whom?

By Hume

Did Hovell agree?

(I have no idea who Hume is, or refers to, sorry.) (I know the river, I’ve heard of the electorate and I learnt about the white explorers and their perambulator at school.)

She’s a contender, or so says the ABC.

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

Bogsnorkler said:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/may/23/is-it-really-true-surely-there-is-a-false-dawn-are-they-really-gone-prime-minister-albo

First Dog

Love that dog

:)

Some interesting gems hidden in there…

“Will the ALP stuff it up? Of course they will.”

“History will remember you as the worst of us”.

Bogsnorkler said:

still not getting it

The Rev Dodgson said:

Michael V said:

dv said:

By Hume

Did Hovell agree?

(I have no idea who Hume is, or refers to, sorry.) (I know the river, I’ve heard of the electorate and I learnt about the white explorers and their perambulator at school.)

She’s a contender, or so says the ABC.

That was completely unhelpful.

Michael V said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Michael V said:

Did Hovell agree?

(I have no idea who Hume is, or refers to, sorry.) (I know the river, I’ve heard of the electorate and I learnt about the white explorers and their perambulator at school.)

She’s a contender, or so says the ABC.

That was completely unhelpful.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Hume

Link

Bogsnorkler said:

Michael V said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

She’s a contender, or so says the ABC.

That was completely unhelpful.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Hume

Link

Thank you. That was helpful.

Michael V said:

Bogsnorkler said:

Michael V said:

That was completely unhelpful.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Hume

Link

Thank you. That was helpful.

That’s me, helpful. I’m too nice for this world.

Michael V said:

Bogsnorkler said:

Michael V said:

That was completely unhelpful.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Hume

Link

Thank you. That was helpful.

I’m not sure how helpful this bit is:
“Hume reportedly “holds socially liberal views”“

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/may/25/coalition-delayed-news-that-electricity-prices-are-set-to-rise-until-after-federal-election

Link

Bogsnorkler said:

:)

Dark Orange said:

Bogsnorkler said:

still not getting it

Are the Libs on the Shovel’s payroll? Because they seem to be doing all the work for them.

https://www.theshovel.com.au/2022/05/24/liberal-figures-examine-how-electorate-got-it-so-wrong/

Following a devastating election result which has wiped out large swathes of its heartland, Liberal Party figures will meet this week to determine how voters mistakenly cast their votes for the wrong party.

“There’s a bit of soul-searching to be done, that’s for sure – searching for the souls who didn’t vote for us and then apportioning blame accordingly,” one party strategist said.
One senior MP, who did not wish to be named, said voters should be ashamed of themselves. “We ran on a solid platform of corruption, transphobia, racism and fear, but people didn’t go for it. They need to have a good, hard look at themselves frankly”.

Another former front bencher said there was a serious issue with Australia’s education system. “When the Coalition ignores large sections of the population and then people don’t know how to put a ‘1’ in the box next to the Coalition candidate, I think there’s a literacy issue in this country. I really do”.

Bogsnorkler said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/may/25/coalition-delayed-news-that-electricity-prices-are-set-to-rise-until-after-federal-election

Link

They’ll be able to blame Labor, then.

Bogsnorkler said:

is that real?

sarahs mum said:

Bogsnorkler said:

is that real?

It’s on Sky News, apparently.

So, reality probably has nothing to do with it.

Bogsnorkler said:

From a few weeks ago:
There are ’19 days to save the country from the mad left’: Paul Murray

So even for Paul Muuray, things are now far better than they were before the election.

But I’ll wait for moll’s IQ estimate before condeming this person any further.

I have thought that i’d be wonderful if some other extremely wealthy person was to fund a TV channel which countered Sky News, and relentlessly took the piss out of it.

But, then, why bother? You’ve only got to watch Sky News for a bit, and you begin to wonder if they’re not doing it themselves. Sort of like the ‘National Enquirer’ or the
Weekly World News’.

captain_spalding said:

sarahs mum said:

Bogsnorkler said:

is that real?

It’s on Sky News, apparently.

So, reality probably has nothing to do with it.

gee they are awful.

captain_spalding said:

I have thought that i’d be wonderful if some other extremely wealthy person was to fund a TV channel which countered Sky News, and relentlessly took the piss out of it.

But, then, why bother? You’ve only got to watch Sky News for a bit, and you begin to wonder if they’re not doing it themselves. Sort of like the ‘National Enquirer’ or the
Weekly World News’.

and yet people watch and drink it

SCIENCE said:

captain_spalding said:

I have thought that i’d be wonderful if some other extremely wealthy person was to fund a TV channel which countered Sky News, and relentlessly took the piss out of it.

But, then, why bother? You’ve only got to watch Sky News for a bit, and you begin to wonder if they’re not doing it themselves. Sort of like the ‘National Enquirer’ or the
Weekly World News’.

and yet people watch and drink it

It is somewhat educational.

You can see why there were actual celebratory parties in Canberra when Abbott lost his seat, and it was clear that Peta Credlin wouldn’t be returning to Canberra in anything like her old capacity.

Apart from the fact that she devoted a good deal of time and effort to making life utterly miserable for people who had to work with and for her, it’s something of a pleasure to just not be in the same city as her.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-28/pat-oshane-best-federal-election-result-for-socialist-alliance/101104612

I didn’t realize Pat O’Shane was a Socialist Alliance person.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-28/election-2022-morrison-lose-liberals-have-a-choice/101102836

Link

WARNING!: it is one of those scroll down with picture pages. some here dislike these.

Boris said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-28/election-2022-morrison-lose-liberals-have-a-choice/101102836

Link

WARNING!: it is one of those scroll down with picture pages. some here dislike these.

Ctrl + A > Copy > New text document > paste > Read properly

Boris said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-28/election-2022-morrison-lose-liberals-have-a-choice/101102836

Link

WARNING!: it is one of those scroll down with picture pages. some here dislike these.

Readability is broken up, people do not read like that.

“Privately, Dutton isn’t the man the public sees. Funny, good company and caring are words often used by those who know him.”

I don’t believe that.

He could be funny and good company I suppose.

Morrison could never have become PM except in the rare circumstances that prevailed when he did.

Turnbull had deposed Abbott. But, Turnbull wasn’t behaving the way that sectors of the party, and their sponsors, wanted him to. He seemed determined to, at least occasionally, do some things that weren’t always and entirely about money and power. Stuff that might actually benefit the country.

So, Turnbull had to go, and Abbott was champing at the bit to return to his ‘rightful’ place in The Lodge and to take a terrible revenge on those who’d engineered the disruption to his reign.

This meant that, while the party in general agreed that Turnbull had to go, the only likely replacement was someone who a lot of them didn’t want back in the job.

The net was cast, and hauled in Morrison, a non-entity who could be relied on to do as he was told, who’d never had a good idea of his own in his life, and who everyone in the party thought they could either work with, or even better, manipulate.

He was the right crash-test dummy in the right place at the right time. He could keep the seat warm until someone better came along, because the other potential candidates were even less attractive.

Unfortunately, no-one better did come along.

The Rev Dodgson said:

“Privately, Dutton isn’t the man the public sees. Funny, good company and caring are words often used by those who know him.”

I don’t believe that.

He could be funny and good company I suppose.

I picture him more as stabbing babies and skinning dolphins in his spare time.

The Rev Dodgson said:

“Privately, Dutton isn’t the man the public sees. Funny, good company and caring are words often used by those who know him.”

I don’t believe that.

He could be funny and good company I suppose.

Serial killers are often charming, funny, good company, and appear to be caring, as well.

captain_spalding said:

Morrison could never have become PM except in the rare circumstances that prevailed when he did.

Turnbull had deposed Abbott. But, Turnbull wasn’t behaving the way that sectors of the party, and their sponsors, wanted him to. He seemed determined to, at least occasionally, do some things that weren’t always and entirely about money and power. Stuff that might actually benefit the country.

So, Turnbull had to go, and Abbott was champing at the bit to return to his ‘rightful’ place in The Lodge and to take a terrible revenge on those who’d engineered the disruption to his reign.

This meant that, while the party in general agreed that Turnbull had to go, the only likely replacement was someone who a lot of them didn’t want back in the job.

The net was cast, and hauled in Morrison, a non-entity who could be relied on to do as he was told, who’d never had a good idea of his own in his life, and who everyone in the party thought they could either work with, or even better, manipulate.

He was the right crash-test dummy in the right place at the right time. He could keep the seat warm until someone better came along, because the other potential candidates were even less attractive.

Unfortunately, no-one better did come along.

Other than the one who lacked the essential chromosome that is.

The Rev Dodgson said:

captain_spalding said:

Morrison could never have become PM except in the rare circumstances that prevailed when he did.

Turnbull had deposed Abbott. But, Turnbull wasn’t behaving the way that sectors of the party, and their sponsors, wanted him to. He seemed determined to, at least occasionally, do some things that weren’t always and entirely about money and power. Stuff that might actually benefit the country.

So, Turnbull had to go, and Abbott was champing at the bit to return to his ‘rightful’ place in The Lodge and to take a terrible revenge on those who’d engineered the disruption to his reign.

This meant that, while the party in general agreed that Turnbull had to go, the only likely replacement was someone who a lot of them didn’t want back in the job.

The net was cast, and hauled in Morrison, a non-entity who could be relied on to do as he was told, who’d never had a good idea of his own in his life, and who everyone in the party thought they could either work with, or even better, manipulate.

He was the right crash-test dummy in the right place at the right time. He could keep the seat warm until someone better came along, because the other potential candidates were even less attractive.

Unfortunately, no-one better did come along.

Other than the one who lacked the essential chromosome that is.

Julie ‘Not A Penny For Asbestosis Victims’ Bishop?

Spiny Norman said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

“Privately, Dutton isn’t the man the public sees. Funny, good company and caring are words often used by those who know him.”

I don’t believe that.

He could be funny and good company I suppose.

I picture him more as stabbing babies and skinning dolphins in his spare time.

A large spider who eats humans.

captain_spalding said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

captain_spalding said:

Morrison could never have become PM except in the rare circumstances that prevailed when he did.

Turnbull had deposed Abbott. But, Turnbull wasn’t behaving the way that sectors of the party, and their sponsors, wanted him to. He seemed determined to, at least occasionally, do some things that weren’t always and entirely about money and power. Stuff that might actually benefit the country.

So, Turnbull had to go, and Abbott was champing at the bit to return to his ‘rightful’ place in The Lodge and to take a terrible revenge on those who’d engineered the disruption to his reign.

This meant that, while the party in general agreed that Turnbull had to go, the only likely replacement was someone who a lot of them didn’t want back in the job.

The net was cast, and hauled in Morrison, a non-entity who could be relied on to do as he was told, who’d never had a good idea of his own in his life, and who everyone in the party thought they could either work with, or even better, manipulate.

He was the right crash-test dummy in the right place at the right time. He could keep the seat warm until someone better came along, because the other potential candidates were even less attractive.

Unfortunately, no-one better did come along.

Other than the one who lacked the essential chromosome that is.

Julie ‘Not A Penny For Asbestosis Victims’ Bishop?

She would at least have been different to scomo.

Whether she actually would have been better is, I agree, debateable.

The Rev Dodgson said:

captain_spalding said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Other than the one who lacked the essential chromosome that is.

Julie ‘Not A Penny For Asbestosis Victims’ Bishop?

She would at least have been different to scomo.

Whether she actually would have been better is, I agree, debateable.

Julie always knew which side her bread was buttered on. And she liked butter a lot.

captain_spalding said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

captain_spalding said:

Morrison could never have become PM except in the rare circumstances that prevailed when he did.

Turnbull had deposed Abbott. But, Turnbull wasn’t behaving the way that sectors of the party, and their sponsors, wanted him to. He seemed determined to, at least occasionally, do some things that weren’t always and entirely about money and power. Stuff that might actually benefit the country.

So, Turnbull had to go, and Abbott was champing at the bit to return to his ‘rightful’ place in The Lodge and to take a terrible revenge on those who’d engineered the disruption to his reign.

This meant that, while the party in general agreed that Turnbull had to go, the only likely replacement was someone who a lot of them didn’t want back in the job.

The net was cast, and hauled in Morrison, a non-entity who could be relied on to do as he was told, who’d never had a good idea of his own in his life, and who everyone in the party thought they could either work with, or even better, manipulate.

He was the right crash-test dummy in the right place at the right time. He could keep the seat warm until someone better came along, because the other potential candidates were even less attractive.

Unfortunately, no-one better did come along.

Other than the one who lacked the essential chromosome that is.

Julie ‘Not A Penny For Asbestosis Victims’ Bishop?

She’d had enough by then and was going to quit at the next election.

party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Other than the one who lacked the essential chromosome that is.

Julie ‘Not A Penny For Asbestosis Victims’ Bishop?

She’d had enough by then and was going to quit at the next election.

Callsign: skeletor

wookiemeister said:

party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

Julie ‘Not A Penny For Asbestosis Victims’ Bishop?

She’d had enough by then and was going to quit at the next election.

Callsign: skeletor

She stars in a new movie called breathe deeply in which she stars as a queen zombie whos bones radiate so strongly that her peeling zombie skin glows in the dark with skeleton patterns.

hense: skeletor

She turns people minds into dark matter just by looking at them.

Tau.Neutrino said:

wookiemeister said:

party_pants said:

She’d had enough by then and was going to quit at the next election.

Callsign: skeletor

She stars in a new movie called breathe deeply in which she stars as a queen zombie whos bones radiate so strongly that her peeling zombie skin glows in the dark with skeleton patterns.

hense: skeletor

She turns people minds into dark matter just by looking at them.

Just another rich, privileged private school girl shoe horned into the position for “ diversity”

You’d be talking to a brick wall.

Thankfully that stupid “scomo” has gone – how he survived the bushfire I’ll never know.

The Rev Dodgson said:

“Privately, Dutton isn’t the man the public sees. Funny, good company and caring are words often used by those who know him.”

I don’t believe that.

He could be funny and good company I suppose.

I’ve heard that of Hitler as well, in the acceptable Aryan company.

The Rev Dodgson said:

“Privately, Dutton isn’t the man the public sees. Funny, good company and caring are words often used by those who know him.”

I don’t believe that.

He could be funny and good company I suppose.

Is this the start of whitewashing a mouldy spud?

Does he get a cool nickname like scomo? Hmmm, PeDu :)

I guess we’ll see him rescuing kittens and orphans, wearing a drizabone and akubra while on the back of a kangaroo from the usual press suspects soon.

Kingy said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

“Privately, Dutton isn’t the man the public sees. Funny, good company and caring are words often used by those who know him.”

I don’t believe that.

He could be funny and good company I suppose.

Is this the start of whitewashing a mouldy spud?

Does he get a cool nickname like scomo? Hmmm, PeDu :)

I guess we’ll see him rescuing kittens and orphans, wearing a drizabone and akubra while on the back of a kangaroo from the usual press suspects soon.

I think he should be happy with potato head. We could start thinking up worse description. The Lord knows there are many that fit the cnut.

Kingy said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

“Privately, Dutton isn’t the man the public sees. Funny, good company and caring are words often used by those who know him.”

I don’t believe that.

He could be funny and good company I suppose.

Is this the start of whitewashing a mouldy spud?

Does he get a cool nickname like scomo? Hmmm, PeDu :)

Mouldy Spud —-> MoSpu

Tasmania will go back to having 35 seats rather than 25, Jeremy “The Rock” Liff announced today.

This is probably good news, as it will make the parliament more representative and responsive, allow portfolios to be spread about more to prevent overwork, create more backbenchers with more time to interact with the folks, give 4th party and independent candidates more or a shot.

dv said:

Tasmania will go back to having 35 seats rather than 25, Jeremy “The Rock” Liff announced today.

This is probably good news, as it will make the parliament more representative and responsive, allow portfolios to be spread about more to prevent overwork, create more backbenchers with more time to interact with the folks, give 4th party and independent candidates more or a shot.

YES!!!!
The Shallow pool of talent will be just that much deeper.

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

Tasmania will go back to having 35 seats rather than 25, Jeremy “The Rock” Liff announced today.

This is probably good news, as it will make the parliament more representative and responsive, allow portfolios to be spread about more to prevent overwork, create more backbenchers with more time to interact with the folks, give 4th party and independent candidates more or a shot.

YES!!!!
The Shallow pool of talent will be just that much deeper.

It’s never been successful. The house was reduced to rid themselves of the Greens but it didn’t work resulting in Labor/Green govt and LiberalGreen govt that both said they would not do but did do anyway. And yeah there has been gots where the Ministers are holding too many portfolios to do a half decent job.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/may/29/anthony-albaneses-choice-of-speaker-will-be-key-to-transforming-our-testosterone-fuelled-parliament

Link

Boris said:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/may/29/anthony-albaneses-choice-of-speaker-will-be-key-to-transforming-our-testosterone-fuelled-parliament

Link

Oh yes…get rid of the Dorothy Dixers.

agree that STEMocracy is the optimum

From Pollbludger

dv said:

From Pollbludger

yeah well all those “Defund The Police” communists would say that

Betoota Advocate:

with the caption: ‘Peter Dutton Pops By Barnaby Joyce’s Office To Wish Him Best Of Luck For The Leadership Spill’

I’ll put this one in here because it’s beyond the election. Mr Dutton called his boycott of Kevin Rudd’s apology to the Stolen Generations in 2008 “a mistake”, but said it was because of his background working as a police officer in Queensland.

—————————————————————————————————————
Peter Dutton becomes Liberal leader as the party takes its first steps forward out of government. So who is the new Opposition Leader?

‘I made a mistake’

Mr Dutton called his boycott of Kevin Rudd’s apology to the Stolen Generations in 2008 “a mistake”, but said it was because of his background working as a police officer in Queensland.

“I remember going to many domestic violence instances, particularly involving Indigenous communities, and for me at the time I believed that the apology should be given when the problems were resolved and the problems are not resolved,” he said.

“It came from a place where I just find it unbearable to think that those little kids are facing that situation or women are facing significantly higher domestic violence circumstances and realities in those communities.”

——————————————————————————————————-

From:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-30/peter-dutton-new-liberal-leader-press-conference/101109716

The apology had nothing at all to do with what he might have seen as a policeman. It was an acknowledgement of what the European settlers had done.

buffy said:

I’ll put this one in here because it’s beyond the election. Mr Dutton called his boycott of Kevin Rudd’s apology to the Stolen Generations in 2008 “a mistake”, but said it was because of his background working as a police officer in Queensland.

—————————————————————————————————————
Peter Dutton becomes Liberal leader as the party takes its first steps forward out of government. So who is the new Opposition Leader?

‘I made a mistake’

Mr Dutton called his boycott of Kevin Rudd’s apology to the Stolen Generations in 2008 “a mistake”, but said it was because of his background working as a police officer in Queensland.

“I remember going to many domestic violence instances, particularly involving Indigenous communities, and for me at the time I believed that the apology should be given when the problems were resolved and the problems are not resolved,” he said.

“It came from a place where I just find it unbearable to think that those little kids are facing that situation or women are facing significantly higher domestic violence circumstances and realities in those communities.”

——————————————————————————————————-

From:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-30/peter-dutton-new-liberal-leader-press-conference/101109716

The apology had nothing at all to do with what he might have seen as a policeman. It was an acknowledgement of what the European settlers had done.

Spin and lies.

Michael V said:

buffy said:

I’ll put this one in here because it’s beyond the election. Mr Dutton called his boycott of Kevin Rudd’s apology to the Stolen Generations in 2008 “a mistake”, but said it was because of his background working as a police officer in Queensland.

—————————————————————————————————————
Peter Dutton becomes Liberal leader as the party takes its first steps forward out of government. So who is the new Opposition Leader?

‘I made a mistake’

Mr Dutton called his boycott of Kevin Rudd’s apology to the Stolen Generations in 2008 “a mistake”, but said it was because of his background working as a police officer in Queensland.

“I remember going to many domestic violence instances, particularly involving Indigenous communities, and for me at the time I believed that the apology should be given when the problems were resolved and the problems are not resolved,” he said.

“It came from a place where I just find it unbearable to think that those little kids are facing that situation or women are facing significantly higher domestic violence circumstances and realities in those communities.”

——————————————————————————————————-

From:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-30/peter-dutton-new-liberal-leader-press-conference/101109716

The apology had nothing at all to do with what he might have seen as a policeman. It was an acknowledgement of what the European settlers had done.

Spin and lies.

Yes, this and by the bucketful.

buffy said:

I’ll put this one in here because it’s beyond the election. Mr Dutton called his boycott of Kevin Rudd’s apology to the Stolen Generations in 2008 “a mistake”, but said it was because of his background working as a police officer in Queensland.

—————————————————————————————————————
Peter Dutton becomes Liberal leader as the party takes its first steps forward out of government. So who is the new Opposition Leader?

‘I made a mistake’

Mr Dutton called his boycott of Kevin Rudd’s apology to the Stolen Generations in 2008 “a mistake”, but said it was because of his background working as a police officer in Queensland.

“I remember going to many domestic violence instances, particularly involving Indigenous communities, and for me at the time I believed that the apology should be given when the problems were resolved and the problems are not resolved,” he said.

“It came from a place where I just find it unbearable to think that those little kids are facing that situation or women are facing significantly higher domestic violence circumstances and realities in those communities.”

——————————————————————————————————-

From:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-30/peter-dutton-new-liberal-leader-press-conference/101109716

The apology had nothing at all to do with what he might have seen as a policeman. It was an acknowledgement of what the European settlers had done.

I think that is one of the most piss weak things I have heard a polly say.

sarahs mum said:

buffy said:

I’ll put this one in here because it’s beyond the election. Mr Dutton called his boycott of Kevin Rudd’s apology to the Stolen Generations in 2008 “a mistake”, but said it was because of his background working as a police officer in Queensland.

—————————————————————————————————————
Peter Dutton becomes Liberal leader as the party takes its first steps forward out of government. So who is the new Opposition Leader?

‘I made a mistake’

Mr Dutton called his boycott of Kevin Rudd’s apology to the Stolen Generations in 2008 “a mistake”, but said it was because of his background working as a police officer in Queensland.

“I remember going to many domestic violence instances, particularly involving Indigenous communities, and for me at the time I believed that the apology should be given when the problems were resolved and the problems are not resolved,” he said.

“It came from a place where I just find it unbearable to think that those little kids are facing that situation or women are facing significantly higher domestic violence circumstances and realities in those communities.”

——————————————————————————————————-

From:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-30/peter-dutton-new-liberal-leader-press-conference/101109716

The apology had nothing at all to do with what he might have seen as a policeman. It was an acknowledgement of what the European settlers had done.

I think that is one of the most piss weak things I have heard a polly say.

Ya. A complete nonsense.

Expect a lot more from MouPot

“I just find it unbearable to think that those little kids are facing that situation, but no, I couldn’t bring myself to apologise to them.”

Bubblecar said:

“I just find it unbearable to think that those little kids are facing that situation, but no, I couldn’t bring myself to apologise to them.”

but i would have been in there straight away if they had of deserved it. but they don’t.

sarahs mum said:

I think that is one of the most piss weak things I have heard a polly say.

We can look forward to a feast of piss-weakery with Spud in the front seat for the Opposition.

I have a daydream of Paul Keating as PM, at the height of his powers, being opposite Spud Dutton as Opposition Leader in Parliament.

It’d be like watching one of those African nature documentaries where the big cat brings down the antelope, and tears it to shreds amid a great deal of blood.

Horrifying, yet fascinating, and watched with the understanding that this is how Nature works.

captain_spalding said:

I have a daydream of Paul Keating as PM, at the height of his powers, being opposite Spud Dutton as Opposition Leader in Parliament.

It’d be like watching one of those African nature documentaries where the big cat brings down the antelope, and tears it to shreds amid a great deal of blood.

Horrifying, yet fascinating, and watched with the understanding that this is how Nature works.

I’m sure Paul Keating would have a potao peeler handy.

captain_spalding said:

I have a daydream of Paul Keating as PM, at the height of his powers, being opposite Spud Dutton as Opposition Leader in Parliament.

It’d be like watching one of those African nature documentaries where the big cat brings down the antelope, and tears it to shreds amid a great deal of blood.

Horrifying, yet fascinating, and watched with the understanding that this is how Nature works.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JcNlese0ig&ab_channel=JA

Ian said:

It’s all a bit tragic.

captain_spalding said:

I have a daydream of Paul Keating as PM, at the height of his powers, being opposite Spud Dutton as Opposition Leader in Parliament.

It’d be like watching one of those African nature documentaries where the big cat brings down the antelope, and tears it to shreds amid a great deal of blood.

Horrifying, yet fascinating, and watched with the understanding that this is how Nature works.

I found Keating to be a reasonably competent politician, but the childish insults were most unprofessional. I didn’t mind at all when he left politics.

Spiny Norman said:

captain_spalding said:

I have a daydream of Paul Keating as PM, at the height of his powers, being opposite Spud Dutton as Opposition Leader in Parliament.

It’d be like watching one of those African nature documentaries where the big cat brings down the antelope, and tears it to shreds amid a great deal of blood.

Horrifying, yet fascinating, and watched with the understanding that this is how Nature works.

I found Keating to be a reasonably competent politician, but the childish insults were most unprofessional. I didn’t mind at all when he left politics.

Yes, he could resort to schoolyard methods, which did him little credit, but he could be incisively devastating when he was in form. And he feared no-one in politics.

Anthony Albanese and Labor to form majority government with projected win in Macnamara

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-30/anthony-albanese-and-labor-to-form-majority-government/101084236

sibeen said:

Anthony Albanese and Labor to form majority government with projected win in Macnamara

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-30/anthony-albanese-and-labor-to-form-majority-government/101084236

That wraps that up then.

sibeen said:

Anthony Albanese and Labor to form majority government with projected win in Macnamara

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-30/anthony-albanese-and-labor-to-form-majority-government/101084236

Well, there you go. A majority of 1, just like the last government.

Bubblecar said:

sibeen said:

Anthony Albanese and Labor to form majority government with projected win in Macnamara

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-30/anthony-albanese-and-labor-to-form-majority-government/101084236

That wraps that up then.

They’re still going to have to come to some arrangement with the cross-bench in the Senate to get anything done.

captain_spalding said:

Bubblecar said:

sibeen said:

Anthony Albanese and Labor to form majority government with projected win in Macnamara

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-30/anthony-albanese-and-labor-to-form-majority-government/101084236

That wraps that up then.

They’re still going to have to come to some arrangement with the cross-bench in the Senate to get anything done.

That is more or less ordinary for most governments.

captain_spalding said:

Spiny Norman said:

captain_spalding said:

I have a daydream of Paul Keating as PM, at the height of his powers, being opposite Spud Dutton as Opposition Leader in Parliament.

It’d be like watching one of those African nature documentaries where the big cat brings down the antelope, and tears it to shreds amid a great deal of blood.

Horrifying, yet fascinating, and watched with the understanding that this is how Nature works.

I found Keating to be a reasonably competent politician, but the childish insults were most unprofessional. I didn’t mind at all when he left politics.

Yes, he could resort to schoolyard methods, which did him little credit, but he could be incisively devastating when he was in form. And he feared no-one in politics.

well hey not like it got better since eh

Bubblecar said:

Ian said:

It’s all a bit tragic.

especially that 30% of the population think they’re representative

Ian said:

Shoulda been first..

to

Ian said:

Ian said:

Shoulda been first..

to

Is Dutton holding a cattleprod?

SCIENCE said:

captain_spalding said:

Spiny Norman said:

I found Keating to be a reasonably competent politician, but the childish insults were most unprofessional. I didn’t mind at all when he left politics.

Yes, he could resort to schoolyard methods, which did him little credit, but he could be incisively devastating when he was in form. And he feared no-one in politics.

well hey not like it got better since eh

I didn’t mind him at all, had some healthy cheek about him, got by more on native intelligence than formal learning

the interest rates post deregulation weren’t friendly though, as I recall it

buffy said:

Ian said:

Ian said:

Shoulda been first..

to

Is Dutton holding a cattleprod?

Yep

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

captain_spalding said:

Yes, he could resort to schoolyard methods, which did him little credit, but he could be incisively devastating when he was in form. And he feared no-one in politics.

well hey not like it got better since eh

I didn’t mind him at all, had some healthy cheek about him, got by more on native intelligence than formal learning

the interest rates post deregulation weren’t friendly though, as I recall it

I hate Keating with a passion, and I don’t do that lightly. His idiotic economic decisions wiped out a lot of farmers, and that’s where wealth comes from. Actually, I won’t continue with this topic because it upsets me so much.

Today in town I picked up a copy of the Demented Telejoke just for laughs..

On page 3 was a very unflattering photo of Albo and Jodie leaving church with the attached article making three references to Albo’s supposedly wobbly mental health, either directly or tangentially.

I turned to the opinion pages..

I couldn’t take in any more Blot (even if I’d wanted to) as my coffee was ready.

Spiny Norman said:

Michael V said:

buffy said:

I’ll put this one in here because it’s beyond the election. Mr Dutton called his boycott of Kevin Rudd’s apology to the Stolen Generations in 2008 “a mistake”, but said it was because of his background working as a police officer in Queensland.

—————————————————————————————————————
Peter Dutton becomes Liberal leader as the party takes its first steps forward out of government. So who is the new Opposition Leader?

‘I made a mistake’

Mr Dutton called his boycott of Kevin Rudd’s apology to the Stolen Generations in 2008 “a mistake”, but said it was because of his background working as a police officer in Queensland.

“I remember going to many domestic violence instances, particularly involving Indigenous communities, and for me at the time I believed that the apology should be given when the problems were resolved and the problems are not resolved,” he said.

“It came from a place where I just find it unbearable to think that those little kids are facing that situation or women are facing significantly higher domestic violence circumstances and realities in those communities.”

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From:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-30/peter-dutton-new-liberal-leader-press-conference/101109716

The apology had nothing at all to do with what he might have seen as a policeman. It was an acknowledgement of what the European settlers had done.

Spin and lies.

Yes, this and by the bucketful.

Got to say he is off to a riproaring start

party_pants said:

sibeen said:

Anthony Albanese and Labor to form majority government with projected win in Macnamara

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-30/anthony-albanese-and-labor-to-form-majority-government/101084236

Well, there you go. A majority of 1, just like the last government.

They might well get to 77 as Gilmore is not looking too shabby for them.

Deakin … I think is probably out of reach.

dv said:

party_pants said:

sibeen said:

Anthony Albanese and Labor to form majority government with projected win in Macnamara

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-30/anthony-albanese-and-labor-to-form-majority-government/101084236

Well, there you go. A majority of 1, just like the last government.

They might well get to 77 as Gilmore is not looking too shabby for them.

Deakin … I think is probably out of reach.

I was just thinking it looked like a real possibility :)

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

party_pants said:

Well, there you go. A majority of 1, just like the last government.

They might well get to 77 as Gilmore is not looking too shabby for them.

Deakin … I think is probably out of reach.

I was just thinking it looked like a real possibility :)

Well I suppose we’ll know soon enough.

dv said:

Spiny Norman said:

Michael V said:

Spin and lies.

Yes, this and by the bucketful.

Got to say he is off to a riproaring start

Heard him on TV this morning. As bad as ever.

https://theconversation.com/albanese-should-adopt-a-collaborative-european-approach-to-governing-not-the-take-it-or-leave-it-anglo-style-were-used-to-183721

Link

China will try to salvage Pacific security deal

Andrew Tillett

With China shelving a proposed 10-country regional agreement covering security and economics with the Pacific after a backlash from some countries, it will now prepare a position paper on engagement with the region.

The position paper will look at consensus and co-operation in an attempt to salvage some sort of agreement.

China’s Foreign Minister Wang Yi met Pacific foreign ministers in Fiji on Monday, and the agreement was one of the key areas of discussion.

But the leak of a draft of the agreement last week torpedoed China’s hopes of an agreement with consensus-driven Pacific leaders, especially with the Federated States of Micronesia coming out strongly against it.

Last week, new Foreign Minister Penny Wong visited Fiji and urged Pacific countries to weigh the consequences if they signed a far-reaching agreement with Beijing.

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https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/labor-s-employment-summit-must-fix-nightmarish-red-tape-20220530-p5apgt
weird url but okay

Loss Of Face For China As Pacific Island Nations Snub Beijing’s Sweeping Regional Trade And Security Deal

Pacific island-nations on Monday declined to sign the economic and security deal proposed by China and presented by foreign minister Wang Yi who is on a 10-day trip to the region.

On Monday, foreign ministers of Pacific island-nations met online in a virtual summit while Yi and his Fijian counterpart and the island nation’s prime minister Josaia V ‘Frank’ Bainimarama attended the summit in person from capital Suva.

China said that it will release a position paper listing the new developments during Yi’s trip to the region. The shelving of the so-called China-Pacific Island Countries Common Development Vision comes at a time when the US and its ally in the region Australia raised concerns regarding China’s increasing influence in the region.

While there were no direct answers as to why the deal was shelved, the Fiji PM Bainimarama said that the approach should be collective and direct, news agency abc.com.au said in a report.

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China’s Foreign Minister Wang Yi, center, appears on stage at the Pacific Islands Foreign Ministers’ meeting with Fiji’s Prime Minister Frank Bainimarama (Image: AP Photo)
No concrete reason was given as to why the deal was shelved, but the Fijian PM said there needs to be consensus among all the Pacific island-nations

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On Monday, foreign ministers of Pacific island-nations met online in a virtual summit while Yi and his Fijian counterpart and the island nation’s prime minister Josaia V ‘Frank’ Bainimarama attended the summit in person from capital Suva.

China said that it will release a position paper listing the new developments during Yi’s trip to the region. The shelving of the so-called China-Pacific Island Countries Common Development Vision comes at a time when the US and its ally in the region Australia raised concerns regarding China’s increasing influence in the region.

While there were no direct answers as to why the deal was shelved, the Fiji PM Bainimarama said that the approach should be collective and direct, news agency abc.com.au said in a report.
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“As always, we put consensus first among our countries throughout any discussion on new regional agreements. The challenges our people face will only intensify until collective solutions arise to meet them,” Bainimarama was quoted as saying by abc.com.au.

Yi said that China never sought to impose any deal on any nation. “We are always in constant consultations with our friends … It is also China’s policy — we never impose anything on other countries … never has that happened,” Yi was quoted as saying by the news agency.

Wang Yi is headed to Tonga, Vanuatu, Papua New Guinea and Timor-Leste for the next leg of his visit.

It is noteworthy that the snub to China comes after Fiji last week joined the Indo-Pacific Economic Framework (IPEF), increasing the group’s strength to 14. Penny Wong, Australia’s new foreign minister, who was on a visit to Suva, met Fiji PM Bainimarama where the entry of Fiji into the regional group was confirmed.

https://www.news18.com/news/world/pacific-island-nations-snub-china-yi-fails-to-convince-leaders-to-sign-regional-trade-security-deal-5274217.html

dv said:

China will try to salvage Pacific security deal

Andrew Tillett

With China shelving a proposed 10-country regional agreement covering security and economics with the Pacific after a backlash from some countries, it will now prepare a position paper on engagement with the region.

The position paper will look at consensus and co-operation in an attempt to salvage some sort of agreement.

China’s Foreign Minister Wang Yi met Pacific foreign ministers in Fiji on Monday, and the agreement was one of the key areas of discussion.

But the leak of a draft of the agreement last week torpedoed China’s hopes of an agreement with consensus-driven Pacific leaders, especially with the Federated States of Micronesia coming out strongly against it.

Last week, new Foreign Minister Penny Wong visited Fiji and urged Pacific countries to weigh the consequences if they signed a far-reaching agreement with Beijing.

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https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/labor-s-employment-summit-must-fix-nightmarish-red-tape-20220530-p5apgt
weird url but okay

Loss Of Face For China As Pacific Island Nations Snub Beijing’s Sweeping Regional Trade And Security Deal

Pacific island-nations on Monday declined to sign the economic and security deal proposed by China and presented by foreign minister Wang Yi who is on a 10-day trip to the region.

On Monday, foreign ministers of Pacific island-nations met online in a virtual summit while Yi and his Fijian counterpart and the island nation’s prime minister Josaia V ‘Frank’ Bainimarama attended the summit in person from capital Suva.

China said that it will release a position paper listing the new developments during Yi’s trip to the region. The shelving of the so-called China-Pacific Island Countries Common Development Vision comes at a time when the US and its ally in the region Australia raised concerns regarding China’s increasing influence in the region.

While there were no direct answers as to why the deal was shelved, the Fiji PM Bainimarama said that the approach should be collective and direct, news agency abc.com.au said in a report.

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China’s Foreign Minister Wang Yi, center, appears on stage at the Pacific Islands Foreign Ministers’ meeting with Fiji’s Prime Minister Frank Bainimarama (Image: AP Photo)

China’s Foreign Minister Wang Yi, center, appears on stage at the Pacific Islands Foreign Ministers’ meeting with Fiji’s Prime Minister Frank Bainimarama (Image: AP Photo)
No concrete reason was given as to why the deal was shelved, but the Fijian PM said there needs to be consensus among all the Pacific island-nations

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On Monday, foreign ministers of Pacific island-nations met online in a virtual summit while Yi and his Fijian counterpart and the island nation’s prime minister Josaia V ‘Frank’ Bainimarama attended the summit in person from capital Suva.

China said that it will release a position paper listing the new developments during Yi’s trip to the region. The shelving of the so-called China-Pacific Island Countries Common Development Vision comes at a time when the US and its ally in the region Australia raised concerns regarding China’s increasing influence in the region.

While there were no direct answers as to why the deal was shelved, the Fiji PM Bainimarama said that the approach should be collective and direct, news agency abc.com.au said in a report.
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“As always, we put consensus first among our countries throughout any discussion on new regional agreements. The challenges our people face will only intensify until collective solutions arise to meet them,” Bainimarama was quoted as saying by abc.com.au.

Yi said that China never sought to impose any deal on any nation. “We are always in constant consultations with our friends … It is also China’s policy — we never impose anything on other countries … never has that happened,” Yi was quoted as saying by the news agency.

Wang Yi is headed to Tonga, Vanuatu, Papua New Guinea and Timor-Leste for the next leg of his visit.

It is noteworthy that the snub to China comes after Fiji last week joined the Indo-Pacific Economic Framework (IPEF), increasing the group’s strength to 14. Penny Wong, Australia’s new foreign minister, who was on a visit to Suva, met Fiji PM Bainimarama where the entry of Fiji into the regional group was confirmed.

https://www.news18.com/news/world/pacific-island-nations-snub-china-yi-fails-to-convince-leaders-to-sign-regional-trade-security-deal-5274217.html

wait so USSA sphere of influence are against economic development of Pacific nations

Record women in cabinet but promotions show old boys’ club still runs Labor

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-01/labor-women-cabinet-frontbench-old-boys-club/101115146

Bubblecar said:

Record women in cabinet but promotions show old boys’ club still runs Labor

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-01/labor-women-cabinet-frontbench-old-boys-club/101115146

well small steps but anyway, fuck, these guys are goddamn geniuses, spend just 1 week in power and look at their record, they’ve grown the economy more than expected as well as made housing cheaper for the masses

Economic growth beats expectations, as profits outpace wages

The Australian economy grew 0.8 per cent in the March quarter and 3.3 over the past year, according to official GDP figures from the ABS. Economists had typically been expecting quarterly growth of 0.5 per cent and 2.9 per cent over the year to March 31.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-01/gdp-march-quarter-2022-abs/101116296
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-01/house-price-index-corelogic-proptrack-may-2022/101114444

House prices fall for the first time in nearly two years

Australian home prices have fallen nationally for the first time in at least 20 months, according to two leading monthly indices. “Affordable, lifestyle regions of Brisbane, Adelaide, regional NSW and Tasmania continue to see solid growth, with flat or falling prices elsewhere.”

The new Albanese government will unpick one of the Coalition’s most controversial changes to the public service by recreating a department focused solely on environmental issues.

Labor will also dilute the power of the massive Department of Home Affairs, a so-called “super-department” set up four years ago to manage immigration and national security.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jun/02/world-of-pain-warnings-of-gas-shortages-amid-soaring-power-prices-add-to-australias-energy-woes

Link

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/may/02/csiro-has-become-extravagant-consulting-company-one-of-its-former-top-climate-scientist-says

Link

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/02/coalition-scrapped-recovery-plans-for-176-threatened-species-and-habitats-in-one-of-its-final-acts

Link

roughbarked said:

The new Albanese government will unpick one of the Coalition’s most controversial changes to the public service by recreating a department focused solely on environmental issues.

Labor will also dilute the power of the massive Department of Home Affairs, a so-called “super-department” set up four years ago to manage immigration and national security.

The Home Affairs ministry was created to keep Dutton placated.

lol

Boris said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/may/02/csiro-has-become-extravagant-consulting-company-one-of-its-former-top-climate-scientist-says

Link

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/02/coalition-scrapped-recovery-plans-for-176-threatened-species-and-habitats-in-one-of-its-final-acts

Link

Presumably the numerology told her so for the second one.

dv said:

lol

That’s what they said about the NSW ICAC – it was a political witch-hunt for Gladys B’s scalp.

dv said:

lol

The thing about ‘witch hunts’ is that, every once in a while, they turn up some ‘witches’.

And, as our legislators often remind us, if they’ve done nothing wrong, then they have nothing to fear from it.

Right?

It’s just … crazy that Dutton is beginning Opposition with a pitch to the “forgotten Australians”.

The Libs have been in office 9 years. If there exists a chunk of forgotten Australians, who do you think forgot them? Clueless. It’s the kind of angle that might work after an extended period in Opposition but not yet old son. Any criticism about the state of Australia right now rebounds as a criticism of the Coalition.

captain_spalding said:

dv said:

lol

The thing about ‘witch hunts’ is that, every once in a while, they turn up some ‘witches’.

And, as our legislators often remind us, if they’ve done nothing wrong, then they have nothing to fear from it.

Right?

Witches weren’t exactly evil just different and non conformist

Cymek said:

captain_spalding said:

dv said:

lol

The thing about ‘witch hunts’ is that, every once in a while, they turn up some ‘witches’.

And, as our legislators often remind us, if they’ve done nothing wrong, then they have nothing to fear from it.

Right?

Witches weren’t exactly evil just different and non conformist

Ruston on the other hand..

Cymek said:

captain_spalding said:

dv said:

lol

The thing about ‘witch hunts’ is that, every once in a while, they turn up some ‘witches’.

And, as our legislators often remind us, if they’ve done nothing wrong, then they have nothing to fear from it.

Right?

Witches weren’t exactly evil just different and non conformist

Stanley Moon: You’re a nutcase! You’re a bleedin’ nutcase!

George Spiggott: They said the same of Jesus Christ, Freud, and Galileo.

Stanley Moon: They said it of a lot of nutcases too.

dv said:

It’s just … crazy that Dutton is beginning Opposition with a pitch to the “forgotten Australians”.

The Libs have been in office 9 years. If there exists a chunk of forgotten Australians, who do you think forgot them? Clueless. It’s the kind of angle that might work after an extended period in Opposition but not yet old son. Any criticism about the state of Australia right now rebounds as a criticism of the Coalition.

Perhaps he means shut in rich white old conservative men

Cymek said:

captain_spalding said:

dv said:

lol

The thing about ‘witch hunts’ is that, every once in a while, they turn up some ‘witches’.

And, as our legislators often remind us, if they’ve done nothing wrong, then they have nothing to fear from it.

Right?

Witches weren’t exactly evil just different and non conformist

You could build bridges out of ‘em, though hey what but.

captain_spalding said:

dv said:

lol

The thing about ‘witch hunts’ is that, every once in a while, they turn up some ‘witches’.

And, as our legislators often remind us, if they’ve done nothing wrong, then they have nothing to fear from it.

Right?

So very true.

sarahs mum said:

Cymek said:

captain_spalding said:

The thing about ‘witch hunts’ is that, every once in a while, they turn up some ‘witches’.

And, as our legislators often remind us, if they’ve done nothing wrong, then they have nothing to fear from it.

Right?

Witches weren’t exactly evil just different and non conformist

Ruston on the other hand..

Ha!

The gas crisis is interesting seems to be not a shortage problem but lets send it overseas and shaft you here at home as well

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/02/coalition-scrapped-recovery-plans-for-176-threatened-species-and-habitats-in-one-of-its-final-acts

dv said:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/02/coalition-scrapped-recovery-plans-for-176-threatened-species-and-habitats-in-one-of-its-final-acts

‘If we’re going down, we’re taking all these non-productive furry little f***ers with us.’

Cymek said:

The gas crisis is interesting seems to be not a shortage problem but lets send it overseas and shaft you here at home as well

you mean like the brain drain

dv said:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/02/coalition-scrapped-recovery-plans-for-176-threatened-species-and-habitats-in-one-of-its-final-acts

Yeah. Great. Yet another reason to never ever trust the LNP again.

I do feel sorry for Ley, from now on she’s going to have to abuse quendas and hairy nose wombats in her spare time rather than on the tax payer dollar.

SCIENCE said:

Cymek said:

The gas crisis is interesting seems to be not a shortage problem but lets send it overseas and shaft you here at home as well

you mean like the brain drain

It’s the hydrocarbon version of the Irish potato famine

Cymek said:

dv said:

It’s just … crazy that Dutton is beginning Opposition with a pitch to the “forgotten Australians”.

The Libs have been in office 9 years. If there exists a chunk of forgotten Australians, who do you think forgot them? Clueless. It’s the kind of angle that might work after an extended period in Opposition but not yet old son. Any criticism about the state of Australia right now rebounds as a criticism of the Coalition.

Perhaps he means shut in rich white old conservative men

ah forgotten like demented or maybe dementors

In Australia’s Election, Rupert Murdoch Was a Surprise Loser
The Labor Party’s victory offers a blueprint for diminishing the global influence of the Fox News founder.

https://theintercept.com/2022/05/30/rupert-murdoch-australia-election-anthony-albanese/?

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jun/02/morrison-government-failed-to-show-cashless-debit-card-works-auditor-general-says

Link

petition

https://www.change.org/p/fund-youth-workers-not-faith-workers-in-public-schools

Boris said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jun/02/morrison-government-failed-to-show-cashless-debit-card-works-auditor-general-says

Link

They knew it was not working. We knew they knew.

Boris said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jun/02/morrison-government-failed-to-show-cashless-debit-card-works-auditor-general-says

Link

I’m confused. That says the report was tabled in parliament today. Parliament isn’t sitting at present.

?

buffy said:

Boris said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jun/02/morrison-government-failed-to-show-cashless-debit-card-works-auditor-general-says

Link

I’m confused. That says the report was tabled in parliament today. Parliament isn’t sitting at present.

?

Tabling when parliament is not sitting

buffy said:

Boris said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jun/02/morrison-government-failed-to-show-cashless-debit-card-works-auditor-general-says

Link

I’m confused. That says the report was tabled in parliament today. Parliament isn’t sitting at present.

?

Perhaps they mean something like published. It is available for MPs to get a copy and have a read of it, or something like that, regardless of whether they are physically in parliament or not.

tauto said:

buffy said:

Boris said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jun/02/morrison-government-failed-to-show-cashless-debit-card-works-auditor-general-says

Link

I’m confused. That says the report was tabled in parliament today. Parliament isn’t sitting at present.

?

Tabling when parliament is not sitting

Yes, tabled for parliament’s consideration, which can happen whenever.

party_pants said:

buffy said:

Boris said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jun/02/morrison-government-failed-to-show-cashless-debit-card-works-auditor-general-says

Link

I’m confused. That says the report was tabled in parliament today. Parliament isn’t sitting at present.

?

Perhaps they mean something like published. It is available for MPs to get a copy and have a read of it, or something like that, regardless of whether they are physically in parliament or not.

Found it:
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6. What if the Senate is not sitting?

Committee reports, government documents and reports of the Auditor-General may be presented to the President when the Senate is not sitting (see standing orders 38 and 166). Upon receipt by the President these documents are deemed to have been presented to the Senate. This power may be exercised by the President or, in the absence of the President, by the Deputy President or any one of the Temporary Chairs of Committees.

Documents which the President would ordinarily present to the Senate may be certified by the President when the Senate is not sitting. Upon this certification these documents are also deemed to have been presented to the Senate. Only the President may exercise this power.

Documents presented out of sitting are listed in the Senate Journals, and may be debated on the next sitting day. A summary of procedures for the presentation of documents when the Senate is not sitting is available to assist you.

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From here:
https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Senate/Powers_practice_n_procedures/Brief_Guides_to_Senate_Procedure/No_10

And I heard on the radio prior to the election that the Speaker of the House of Reps and the President of the Senate remain in their posts until new people are appointed after an election. This is different from MPs in general, I think.

It’s all happening in Tasmania. As well as increasing the LC to 35 members, they have made local election voting compulsory, and also reduced the number of preferences required to 5.

Just in case the use of “work” as a pejorative wasn’t completely spent already

Not much to judge him on yet but okay

https://morningconsult.com/2022/06/02/australia-leader-approval-albanese/

sarahs mum said:

petition

https://www.change.org/p/fund-youth-workers-not-faith-workers-in-public-schools

Fair enough, too.

The petition was designed for the election that has now finished.

sarahs mum said:

Boris said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jun/02/morrison-government-failed-to-show-cashless-debit-card-works-auditor-general-says

Link

They knew it was not working. We knew they knew.

Hopefully the new government will fix it up quickly.

dv said:

Have they moved out yet?

Essential Research published its usual fortnightly poll this week, which had nothing to offer on voting intention or leadership ratings, although it did find that 23% rated themselves more likely to vote Coalition with Peter Dutton as leader compared with 27% less likely. Questions on attitudes to Labor policies found 70% support for increasing the minimum wage and 69% support for a federal Independent Commission Against Corruption, with only 9% opposed in each case. Fifty-two per cent felt Labor should “look for opportunities to rebuild relations” with China, with only 19% favouring a more confrontational position and 12% favouring the current set of policies. Support for the Uluru statement was found to have increased significantly since November 2017, with 53% supporting an indigenous voice to parliament in the constitution.

—
From
Pollbludger

sarahs mum said:

I love new ALP governments, there are continual microdoses of endorphins

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

I love new ALP governments, there are continual microdoses of endorphins

my approval rating went up.

sarahs mum said:

Thanks, sm. This is extremely welcome news.

sarahs mum said:

You worked hard on that too sm and even changed my mindset on the matter. A good day.

PermeateFree said:

sarahs mum said:

You worked hard on that too sm and even changed my mindset on the matter. A good day.

I couldn’t handle the pain and the inequality. I also hated the precedent.

https://www.themonthly.com.au/blog/martin-mckenzie-murray/2022/03/2022/mystery-scott-morrison

Link

Boris said:

https://www.themonthly.com.au/blog/martin-mckenzie-murray/2022/03/2022/mystery-scott-morrison

Link

Why was Morrison there?

As i’ve said before, he was a nothing, a stalking-horse, a straw-filled dummy to be used to remove Turnbull.

He was never supposed to endure. The party management knew that he wasn’t the man for the job, He was supposed to just keep the seat warm for the ‘real’ replacement, who’d be along very shortly. Just get us to and through the election, Scotty, and we’ll take it from there.

A more ‘suitable’ man for the purpose (sorry, Julie, it was never going to happen) would replace SM at a ‘decent interval’ after the election, win or lose. Most likely this would be Tony Abbott, who would again take up the mantle of the position which he understood to be his right, which Turnbull had so scurrilously and insolently usurped.

In the unlikely, but, as it turned out, actual, event that Abbott wasn’t around then SM could dawdle about in the role until a better and more acceptable candidate could be identified.

But, partly because the field of choice was so appalling, and partly because so many of them were happy to stay out of The Lodge because of the better and less-scrutinised opportunities for grift and corruption, no better candidate could be identified.

And, the longer SM stayed in the top job, the more that he found that he enjoyed it. All of the trappings, the bowing and scraping, the freebies, the hobnobbing. This was the kind of thing that he felt that he deserved, not like those stupid jobs in marketing and tourism where they expected you to produce results and you were held responsible for things.

As the party became less and less optimistic that he could be replaced, Morrison felt more strongly that he wanted to stay. And he became steadily more involved in intrigues that would keep him there. A blind eye to certain dealings, a steadfast defence of those who didn’t deserve it, some denials of responsibility, some distractional stunts, it all helped to secure the good life while it lasted.

It had nothing to do with visions, nothing to do with what was good for the country, nothing to do with ‘greatness’. It had everything to do with making hay while the sun shone. It was empty, goalless, aimless, venal, and far less than half-arsed.

A lot like the man himself.

captain_spalding said:

Boris said:

https://www.themonthly.com.au/blog/martin-mckenzie-murray/2022/03/2022/mystery-scott-morrison

Link

Why was Morrison there?

As i’ve said before, he was a nothing, a stalking-horse, a straw-filled dummy to be used to remove Turnbull.

He was never supposed to endure. The party management knew that he wasn’t the man for the job, He was supposed to just keep the seat warm for the ‘real’ replacement, who’d be along very shortly. Just get us to and through the election, Scotty, and we’ll take it from there.

A more ‘suitable’ man for the purpose (sorry, Julie, it was never going to happen) would replace SM at a ‘decent interval’ after the election, win or lose. Most likely this would be Tony Abbott, who would again take up the mantle of the position which he understood to be his right, which Turnbull had so scurrilously and insolently usurped.

In the unlikely, but, as it turned out, actual, event that Abbott wasn’t around then SM could dawdle about in the role until a better and more acceptable candidate could be identified.

But, partly because the field of choice was so appalling, and partly because so many of them were happy to stay out of The Lodge because of the better and less-scrutinised opportunities for grift and corruption, no better candidate could be identified.

And, the longer SM stayed in the top job, the more that he found that he enjoyed it. All of the trappings, the bowing and scraping, the freebies, the hobnobbing. This was the kind of thing that he felt that he deserved, not like those stupid jobs in marketing and tourism where they expected you to produce results and you were held responsible for things.

As the party became less and less optimistic that he could be replaced, Morrison felt more strongly that he wanted to stay. And he became steadily more involved in intrigues that would keep him there. A blind eye to certain dealings, a steadfast defence of those who didn’t deserve it, some denials of responsibility, some distractional stunts, it all helped to secure the good life while it lasted.

It had nothing to do with visions, nothing to do with what was good for the country, nothing to do with ‘greatness’. It had everything to do with making hay while the sun shone. It was empty, goalless, aimless, venal, and far less than half-arsed.

A lot like the man himself.

The mad thing is that it will probably be a long time before they have a leader as popular as Turnbull.

dv said:

captain_spalding said:

Boris said:

https://www.themonthly.com.au/blog/martin-mckenzie-murray/2022/03/2022/mystery-scott-morrison

Link

Why was Morrison there?

As i’ve said before, he was a nothing, a stalking-horse, a straw-filled dummy to be used to remove Turnbull.

He was never supposed to endure. The party management knew that he wasn’t the man for the job, He was supposed to just keep the seat warm for the ‘real’ replacement, who’d be along very shortly. Just get us to and through the election, Scotty, and we’ll take it from there.

A more ‘suitable’ man for the purpose (sorry, Julie, it was never going to happen) would replace SM at a ‘decent interval’ after the election, win or lose. Most likely this would be Tony Abbott, who would again take up the mantle of the position which he understood to be his right, which Turnbull had so scurrilously and insolently usurped.

In the unlikely, but, as it turned out, actual, event that Abbott wasn’t around then SM could dawdle about in the role until a better and more acceptable candidate could be identified.

But, partly because the field of choice was so appalling, and partly because so many of them were happy to stay out of The Lodge because of the better and less-scrutinised opportunities for grift and corruption, no better candidate could be identified.

And, the longer SM stayed in the top job, the more that he found that he enjoyed it. All of the trappings, the bowing and scraping, the freebies, the hobnobbing. This was the kind of thing that he felt that he deserved, not like those stupid jobs in marketing and tourism where they expected you to produce results and you were held responsible for things.

As the party became less and less optimistic that he could be replaced, Morrison felt more strongly that he wanted to stay. And he became steadily more involved in intrigues that would keep him there. A blind eye to certain dealings, a steadfast defence of those who didn’t deserve it, some denials of responsibility, some distractional stunts, it all helped to secure the good life while it lasted.

It had nothing to do with visions, nothing to do with what was good for the country, nothing to do with ‘greatness’. It had everything to do with making hay while the sun shone. It was empty, goalless, aimless, venal, and far less than half-arsed.

A lot like the man himself.

The mad thing is that it will probably be a long time before they have a leader as popular as Turnbull.

My Dad always said Turnbull joined the wrong party.

party_pants said:

dv said:

captain_spalding said:

Why was Morrison there?

As i’ve said before, he was a nothing, a stalking-horse, a straw-filled dummy to be used to remove Turnbull.

He was never supposed to endure. The party management knew that he wasn’t the man for the job, He was supposed to just keep the seat warm for the ‘real’ replacement, who’d be along very shortly. Just get us to and through the election, Scotty, and we’ll take it from there.

A more ‘suitable’ man for the purpose (sorry, Julie, it was never going to happen) would replace SM at a ‘decent interval’ after the election, win or lose. Most likely this would be Tony Abbott, who would again take up the mantle of the position which he understood to be his right, which Turnbull had so scurrilously and insolently usurped.

In the unlikely, but, as it turned out, actual, event that Abbott wasn’t around then SM could dawdle about in the role until a better and more acceptable candidate could be identified.

But, partly because the field of choice was so appalling, and partly because so many of them were happy to stay out of The Lodge because of the better and less-scrutinised opportunities for grift and corruption, no better candidate could be identified.

And, the longer SM stayed in the top job, the more that he found that he enjoyed it. All of the trappings, the bowing and scraping, the freebies, the hobnobbing. This was the kind of thing that he felt that he deserved, not like those stupid jobs in marketing and tourism where they expected you to produce results and you were held responsible for things.

As the party became less and less optimistic that he could be replaced, Morrison felt more strongly that he wanted to stay. And he became steadily more involved in intrigues that would keep him there. A blind eye to certain dealings, a steadfast defence of those who didn’t deserve it, some denials of responsibility, some distractional stunts, it all helped to secure the good life while it lasted.

It had nothing to do with visions, nothing to do with what was good for the country, nothing to do with ‘greatness’. It had everything to do with making hay while the sun shone. It was empty, goalless, aimless, venal, and far less than half-arsed.

A lot like the man himself.

The mad thing is that it will probably be a long time before they have a leader as popular as Turnbull.

My Dad always said Turnbull joined the wrong party.

I think the ALP would also have been a bad fit. When he lost his first leadership challenge against Abbott I said he should just clear out and start his own party. He’s rich as Croesus, he’d have brought quite a few moderates with him and maybe picked up some disaffected ALPers, worst case scenario is that he’d hold the balance of power.

party_pants said:

My Dad always said Turnbull joined the wrong party.

He only did so because the ‘right’ party wouldn’t have him.

Malcolm is personal friend of Paul Keating, and they’ve been partners in some investment deals.

In the 1990s, Malcolm wanted to join the ALP but the party wouldn’t have him because A: having a multi-millionaire (worth about $100 million) in the party wasn’t the image the party was trying to project just at the time, and B: they already had enough multi-millionaires in the party ranks.

So, he went for Option B.

As it turned out, the Liberal party would have agreed with your dad’s assessment.

dv said:

party_pants said:

dv said:

The mad thing is that it will probably be a long time before they have a leader as popular as Turnbull.

My Dad always said Turnbull joined the wrong party.

I think the ALP would also have been a bad fit. When he lost his first leadership challenge against Abbott I said he should just clear out and start his own party. He’s rich as Croesus, he’d have brought quite a few moderates with him and maybe picked up some disaffected ALPers, worst case scenario is that he’d hold the balance of power.

I’m hoping now that the new teal indies coalesce into a new party, and take some Lib moderates with therm.

Either I’m getting smarter or the Fin is getting dafter. What a crazy take.

dv said:

Either I’m getting smarter or the Fin is getting dafter. What a crazy take.

If the Teals are going to ‘stew’ on the lack of power, then the L/NP is likely to be reduced to a not-very-nourishing stock because of it.

captain_spalding said:

dv said:

Either I’m getting smarter or the Fin is getting dafter. What a crazy take.

If the Teals are going to ‘stew’ on the lack of power, then the L/NP is likely to be reduced to a not-very-nourishing stock because of it.

Another banger.

CEO pay increased 24% in the last year, I wonder whether they are worse off because of it

dv said:

captain_spalding said:

dv said:

Either I’m getting smarter or the Fin is getting dafter. What a crazy take.

If the Teals are going to ‘stew’ on the lack of power, then the L/NP is likely to be reduced to a not-very-nourishing stock because of it.

Another banger.

CEO pay increased 24% in the last year, I wonder whether they are worse off because of it

Utterly miserable.

They’d give it all back, if they only could.

If the ALP has any sense they’ll be building relationships with the Teals

dv said:

captain_spalding said:

dv said:

Either I’m getting smarter or the Fin is getting dafter. What a crazy take.

If the Teals are going to ‘stew’ on the lack of power, then the L/NP is likely to be reduced to a not-very-nourishing stock because of it.

Another banger.

CEO pay increased 24% in the last year, I wonder whether they are worse off because of it

Fuck me, deevs, have you seen the shocking price increases of a mansion in Sorrento? Of course they deserved a raise.

dv said:

If the ALP has any sense they’ll be building relationships with the Teals

Hopefully, they’re in discussion with all of the cross-bench.

dv said:

If the ALP has any sense they’ll be building relationships with the Teals

ROFL

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

If the ALP has any sense they’ll be building relationships with the Teals

ROFL

You credit the ALP with too much.

Apparently Dutton is richer than Turnbull now, not bad for a humble policeman and parliamentarian.

dv said:

Apparently Dutton is richer than Turnbull now, not bad for a humble policeman and parliamentarian.

What’s your source?

dv said:

Apparently Dutton is richer than Turnbull now, not bad for a humble policeman and parliamentarian.

That is not how you spell “Corrupt”.

Boris said:

https://www.themonthly.com.au/blog/martin-mckenzie-murray/2022/03/2022/mystery-scott-morrison

Link

Fkn nails it.

Shit eh

Witty Rejoinder said:

dv said:

Apparently Dutton is richer than Turnbull now, not bad for a humble policeman and parliamentarian.

What’s your source?

I mean any number of sources…

Dark Orange said:

dv said:

Apparently Dutton is richer than Turnbull now, not bad for a humble policeman and parliamentarian.

That is not how you spell “Corrupt”.

Maybe he’s just been very lucky at the races

dv said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

dv said:

Apparently Dutton is richer than Turnbull now, not bad for a humble policeman and parliamentarian.

What’s your source?

I mean any number of sources…

Supposed net worth is a subject of some interest to search engines. I’d wait for a more reliable indication than what you can google in a few seconds.

Witty Rejoinder said:

dv said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

What’s your source?

I mean any number of sources…

Supposed net worth is a subject of some interest to search engines. I’d wait for a more reliable indication than what you can google in a few seconds.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10682663/Peter-Dutton-net-worth-property-portfolio.html

This was on our watch. Wake up & hold them accountable.
4 hrs ·
Pretty sure Serco were running (ruining) Centrelink calls and were one of the companies providing Government Labour hire (consultants I’d imagine). … all sounding hopeful… does anyone have more insight ?

sarahs mum said:

This was on our watch. Wake up & hold them accountable.
4 hrs ·
Pretty sure Serco were running (ruining) Centrelink calls and were one of the companies providing Government Labour hire (consultants I’d imagine). … all sounding hopeful… does anyone have more insight ?

The privatisation and outsourcing mania might seem irrationak and expensive, but you have to remember the benefactors and LNP donors

dv said:

Dark Orange said:

dv said:

Apparently Dutton is richer than Turnbull now, not bad for a humble policeman and parliamentarian.

That is not how you spell “Corrupt”.

Maybe he’s just been very lucky at the races

at the r… rac… racism do we mean

Worthwhile pointing out that even if there were no tealwavez even if the Libs did not lose a single seat to independents and Greens … they’d still have lost this election.

I didn’t realize Linda Burney was so short. Yay for the short people! (I’m short compared to the generations succeeding me, and my siblings are all taller than me)

Laura Tingle.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-04/albanese-government-sworn-in-sending-signals-expectations-public/101123274

Awave of recriminations is sweeping through the NSW Liberal party over the division’s performance and the delays in preselecting candidates for NSW federal seats that resulted in most being chosen only weeks before last month’s federal election.

Blame is being levelled at the unwieldy, faction-riven state executive, at the former prime minister Scott Morrison and his “captain’s picks”, and at his delegate on the state executive, Alex Hawke, who had been widely blamed for holding up preselections by failing to make himself available for months to vet candidates.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jun/02/disgruntled-nsw-liberals-lay-blame-in-wake-of-federal-election-loss?CMP=soc_567

Exclusive: Dutton blocked Indigenous names at bases

After becoming Defence minister last year, Peter Dutton intervened to cancel an Australian Defence Force plan to give Australian military bases dual English and Indigenous names.

The Saturday Paper has confirmed that Dutton stepped in to reverse a then two-year-old plan to introduce dual naming of Australia’s main military bases. The change would have added local Indigenous-language names to the current English ones, as part of a policy working towards reconciliation.

About the same time, Dutton instructed Defence to stop pursuing “a woke agenda”

——

https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2022/06/04/exclusive-dutton-blocked-indigenous-names-bases

Shock.

Also a daily reminder of Godwin’s second law

dv said:

Exclusive: Dutton blocked Indigenous names at bases

After becoming Defence minister last year, Peter Dutton intervened to cancel an Australian Defence Force plan to give Australian military bases dual English and Indigenous names.

The Saturday Paper has confirmed that Dutton stepped in to reverse a then two-year-old plan to introduce dual naming of Australia’s main military bases. The change would have added local Indigenous-language names to the current English ones, as part of a policy working towards reconciliation.

About the same time, Dutton instructed Defence to stop pursuing “a woke agenda”

——

https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2022/06/04/exclusive-dutton-blocked-indigenous-names-bases

Shock.

Also a daily reminder of Godwin’s second law

A suitably woke statement.

dv said:

Exclusive: Dutton blocked Indigenous names at bases

After becoming Defence minister last year, Peter Dutton intervened to cancel an Australian Defence Force plan to give Australian military bases dual English and Indigenous names.

The Saturday Paper has confirmed that Dutton stepped in to reverse a then two-year-old plan to introduce dual naming of Australia’s main military bases. The change would have added local Indigenous-language names to the current English ones, as part of a policy working towards reconciliation.

About the same time, Dutton instructed Defence to stop pursuing “a woke agenda”

——

https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2022/06/04/exclusive-dutton-blocked-indigenous-names-bases

Shock.

Also a daily reminder of Godwin’s second law

The only surprising thing about that conclusion is that it wasn’t 99.99%

Tamb said:

A suitably woke statement.

QED

:)

dv said:

Exclusive: Dutton blocked Indigenous names at bases

After becoming Defence minister last year, Peter Dutton intervened to cancel an Australian Defence Force plan to give Australian military bases dual English and Indigenous names.

The Saturday Paper has confirmed that Dutton stepped in to reverse a then two-year-old plan to introduce dual naming of Australia’s main military bases. The change would have added local Indigenous-language names to the current English ones, as part of a policy working towards reconciliation.

About the same time, Dutton instructed Defence to stop pursuing “a woke agenda”

——

https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2022/06/04/exclusive-dutton-blocked-indigenous-names-bases

Shock.

Also a daily reminder of Godwin’s second law

OTOH quite a few people on the Left use woke as a pejorative these days, including me on occasion.

And I’m not a fuckhead, or at least not as much a fuckhead as that fellow.

Bubblecar said:

OTOH quite a few people on the Left use woke as a pejorative these days, including me on occasion.

…to represent the more unthinkingly conformist, regressive and authoritarian elements of the supposedly progressive left, of which there is sadly no shortage.

dv said:

Awave of recriminations is sweeping through the NSW Liberal party over the division’s performance and the delays in preselecting candidates for NSW federal seats that resulted in most being chosen only weeks before last month’s federal election.

Blame is being levelled at the unwieldy, faction-riven state executive, at the former prime minister Scott Morrison and his “captain’s picks”, and at his delegate on the state executive, Alex Hawke, who had been widely blamed for holding up preselections by failing to make himself available for months to vet candidates.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jun/02/disgruntled-nsw-liberals-lay-blame-in-wake-of-federal-election-loss?CMP=soc_567

dv said:

Exclusive: Dutton blocked Indigenous names at bases

After becoming Defence minister last year, Peter Dutton intervened to cancel an Australian Defence Force plan to give Australian military bases dual English and Indigenous names.

The Saturday Paper has confirmed that Dutton stepped in to reverse a then two-year-old plan to introduce dual naming of Australia’s main military bases. The change would have added local Indigenous-language names to the current English ones, as part of a policy working towards reconciliation.

About the same time, Dutton instructed Defence to stop pursuing “a woke agenda”

——

https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2022/06/04/exclusive-dutton-blocked-indigenous-names-bases

Shock.

Also a daily reminder of Godwin’s second law

Professor Carlo Cipolla’s Basic Laws of Human Stupidity:

1. Everyone underestimates the number of stupid individuals among us.
2. The probability that a certain person is stupid is independent of any other characteristic of that person.
3. A stupid person is a person who causes losses to another person while deriving no gain and even possibly incurring losses.
4. Non-stupid people always underestimate the damaging power of stupid individuals.
5. A stupid person is the most dangerous type of person.

sarahs mum said:

:)

sarahs mum said:

It’s a fact, not just good comedy.

sarahs mum said:

It’d be great.

Let’s hope.

Spiny Norman said:

sarahs mum said:

It’s a fact, not just good comedy.

It’s quite a puzzle, really.

Morrison and The Morons spent the last several years essentially doing nothing about anything, but there’s definitely a mountain of things left over from their reign which need to be unfucked.

captain_spalding said:

Spiny Norman said:

sarahs mum said:

It’s a fact, not just good comedy.

It’s quite a puzzle, really.

Morrison and The Morons spent the last several years essentially doing nothing about anything, but there’s definitely a mountain of things left over from their reign which need to be unfucked.

ΔS > 0

captain_spalding said:

Spiny Norman said:

sarahs mum said:

It’s a fact, not just good comedy.

It’s quite a puzzle, really.

Morrison and The Morons spent the last several years essentially doing nothing about anything, but there’s definitely a mountain of things left over from their reign which need to be unfucked.

so happy to hear serco is being sacked from centrelink.

captain_spalding said:

Spiny Norman said:

sarahs mum said:

It’s a fact, not just good comedy.

It’s quite a puzzle, really.

Morrison and The Morons spent the last several years essentially doing nothing about anything, but there’s definitely a mountain of things left over from their reign which need to be unfucked.

Can anyone in this forum think of one clearly positive achievement of the coalition (without any negatives, so their handling of Covid is out, ditto marriage equality which was accompanied by a divisive and pointless postal poll) in their 9 odd years in power?

Bubblecar said:

captain_spalding said:

Spiny Norman said:

It’s a fact, not just good comedy.

It’s quite a puzzle, really.

Morrison and The Morons spent the last several years essentially doing nothing about anything, but there’s definitely a mountain of things left over from their reign which need to be unfucked.

Can anyone in this forum think of one clearly positive achievement of the coalition (without any negatives, so their handling of Covid is out, ditto marriage equality which was accompanied by a divisive and pointless postal poll) in their 9 odd years in power?

Unsure there is any achievement that could be made without negatives. Their throwing money around during the covid crisis (despite a large chunk of it going to their mates) probably had a lot to do with keeping the economy going well.

Bubblecar said:

captain_spalding said:

Spiny Norman said:

It’s a fact, not just good comedy.

It’s quite a puzzle, really.

Morrison and The Morons spent the last several years essentially doing nothing about anything, but there’s definitely a mountain of things left over from their reign which need to be unfucked.

Can anyone in this forum think of one clearly positive achievement of the coalition (without any negatives, so their handling of Covid is out, ditto marriage equality which was accompanied by a divisive and pointless postal poll) in their 9 odd years in power?

Oh – same sex marriage. The party fought it all the way, but Turnbull managed to get it over the line.

Dark Orange said:

Bubblecar said:

captain_spalding said:

It’s quite a puzzle, really.

Morrison and The Morons spent the last several years essentially doing nothing about anything, but there’s definitely a mountain of things left over from their reign which need to be unfucked.

Can anyone in this forum think of one clearly positive achievement of the coalition (without any negatives, so their handling of Covid is out, ditto marriage equality which was accompanied by a divisive and pointless postal poll) in their 9 odd years in power?

Unsure there is any achievement that could be made without negatives. Their throwing money around during the covid crisis (despite a large chunk of it going to their mates) probably had a lot to do with keeping the economy going well.

rudd did that better. (except for the fellows that died putting in the insulation. which I don’t think goes anywhere near the suicides from robodebting) rudd put the money in the right pockets and it wasn’t promptly off shored. and he built stuff that we still use.

sarahs mum said:

Dark Orange said:

Bubblecar said:

Can anyone in this forum think of one clearly positive achievement of the coalition (without any negatives, so their handling of Covid is out, ditto marriage equality which was accompanied by a divisive and pointless postal poll) in their 9 odd years in power?

Unsure there is any achievement that could be made without negatives. Their throwing money around during the covid crisis (despite a large chunk of it going to their mates) probably had a lot to do with keeping the economy going well.

rudd did that better. (except for the fellows that died putting in the insulation. which I don’t think goes anywhere near the suicides from robodebting) rudd put the money in the right pockets and it wasn’t promptly off shored. and he built stuff that we still use.

“clearly positive achievement of the coalition” ¿ Well yeah, at least they told CHINA where to stick it¡ Yeah, something Communist Labor would never be able to convincingly do

LOL

Boris said:

LOL

Ah

Murdoch press keeps dropping these blistering hot takes

dv said:

Murdoch press keeps dropping these blistering hot takes

Murdoch press keeps dropping acid, going by these sorts of pronouncements.

Boris said:

LOL

https://archive.ph/32lSy

The article.

Boris said:

Boris said:

LOL

https://archive.ph/32lSy

The article.

It’s actually far more balanced than I thought it would be.

sibeen said:

Boris said:

Boris said:

LOL

https://archive.ph/32lSy

The article.

It’s actually far more balanced than I thought it would be.

And it wasn’t even funny…

dv said:

Murdoch press keeps dropping these blistering hot takes

Oh and they used to be the best fiscal managers too.

roughbarked said:

dv said:

Murdoch press keeps dropping these blistering hot takes

Oh and they used to be the best fiscal managers too.

But Why Are The Murdoch Media Suddenly Starting To Lie To Us Now ¿

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

dv said:

Murdoch press keeps dropping these blistering hot takes

Oh and they used to be the best fiscal managers too.

But Why Are The Murdoch Media Suddenly Starting To Lie To Us Now ¿

Nothing appears to have changed.

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

Oh and they used to be the best fiscal managers too.

But Why Are The Murdoch Media Suddenly Starting To Lie To Us Now ¿

Nothing appears to have changed.

are you saying the current PM&G are basically the same as the last Corruption bunch

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

dv said:

Murdoch press keeps dropping these blistering hot takes

Oh and they used to be the best fiscal managers too.

But Why Are The Murdoch Media Suddenly Starting To Lie To Us Now ¿

Lol.

They are just telling us a new lie.

Antony in Beast mode

captain_spalding said:

dv said:

Murdoch press keeps dropping these blistering hot takes

Murdoch press keeps dropping acid, going by these sorts of pronouncements.

Give ‘em a break.

They are just coming out of 9 years of not being allowed to criticise the government.

It must have been hell.

sibeen said:

Boris said:

Boris said:

LOL

https://archive.ph/32lSy

The article.

It’s actually far more balanced than I thought it would be.

Hah – so that sneaky Kelly person wrote a Murdoch acceptable headline so she could sneak in an article critical of the previous government.

Good on ‘er.

dv said:

AEC having a crack too

The Rev Dodgson said:

captain_spalding said:

dv said:

Murdoch press keeps dropping these blistering hot takes

Murdoch press keeps dropping acid, going by these sorts of pronouncements.

Give ‘em a break.

They are just coming out of 9 years of not being allowed to criticise the government.

It must have been hell.

maybe we’re stupid or just fucking communist bastards, but from here it seems to call a party, one of the working class, is like a compliment to us

dv said:

Antony in Beast mode

PMSL

https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/opinion/topic/2022/06/04/that-feeling-you-have-called-moral-injury

Link

Rod Bower
That feeling you have is called ‘moral injury’

https://chaser.com.au/national/newly-homeless-scott-morrison-demands-to-know-which-idiot-let-housing-get-so-expensive/

Boris said:

https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/opinion/topic/2022/06/04/that-feeling-you-have-called-moral-injury

Link

Rod Bower
That feeling you have is called ‘moral injury’

what feeling

Ian said:

https://chaser.com.au/national/newly-homeless-scott-morrison-demands-to-know-which-idiot-let-housing-get-so-expensive/

Ha!

I was just watching the David Littleproud interview on Insiders (I advise against it if you value your sanity).

.. comes out with the same drivel as Baaarnaby but without the humorous non-sequiturs.

Ian said:

I was just watching the David Littleproud interview on Insiders (I advise against it if you value your sanity).

.. comes out with the same drivel as Baaarnaby but without the humorous non-sequiturs.

I imagine he’d be Littleproud by name but Up Himself by nature.

Well that Irish coffee shook the hangover nicely, so now it’s time for a proper scotch & water.

Ian said:

I was just watching the David Littleproud interview on Insiders (I advise against it if you value your sanity).

.. comes out with the same drivel as Baaarnaby but without the humorous non-sequiturs.

Did you expect greater clarity?

Bubblecar said:

Well that Irish coffee shook the hangover nicely, so now it’s time for a proper scotch & water.

…in chat

Bubblecar said:

Bubblecar said:

Well that Irish coffee shook the hangover nicely, so now it’s time for a proper scotch & water.

…in chat

I’ve still got a shot of tequila on the table. A left over from last night’s Saturday session with a friendly neighbour.
Might keep it for later.

Bubblecar said:

Ian said:

I was just watching the David Littleproud interview on Insiders (I advise against it if you value your sanity).

.. comes out with the same drivel as Baaarnaby but without the humorous non-sequiturs.

I imagine he’d be Littleproud by name but Up Himself by nature.

Great so he’s a post-rehab Joyce

dv said:

Bubblecar said:

Ian said:

I was just watching the David Littleproud interview on Insiders (I advise against it if you value your sanity).

.. comes out with the same drivel as Baaarnaby but without the humorous non-sequiturs.

I imagine he’d be Littleproud by name but Up Himself by nature.

Great so he’s a post-rehab Joyce

Apparently wanted to do things in the Nats from the age of 6.. stupid prick that he is.

Ian said:

dv said:

Bubblecar said:

I imagine he’d be Littleproud by name but Up Himself by nature.

Great so he’s a post-rehab Joyce

Apparently wanted to do things in the Nats from the age of 6.. stupid prick that he is.

Maybe he would have been better off learning violin via the Suzuki method?

Ian said:

I was just watching the David Littleproud interview on Insiders (I advise against it if you value your sanity).

.. comes out with the same drivel as Baaarnaby but without the humorous non-sequiturs.

My verdict was … unedifying.

buffy said:

Ian said:

I was just watching the David Littleproud interview on Insiders (I advise against it if you value your sanity).

.. comes out with the same drivel as Baaarnaby but without the humorous non-sequiturs.

My verdict was … unedifying.

Was a perfect description.

buffy said:

Ian said:

I was just watching the David Littleproud interview on Insiders (I advise against it if you value your sanity).

.. comes out with the same drivel as Baaarnaby but without the humorous non-sequiturs.

My verdict was … unedifying.

Yes..

Speers: Would you pull the gas trigger?

Littleproud: Riffs on govt mistakes

Speers: The question was..

LP: I’ll answer the question..
..More drivel

ZacGor advises the Liberal party against trying to recapture the centre.
Fair enough, if I was a commentator I’d be giving the Libs shit advice too.

To my mind, people have forgotten that the political landscape is not fixed. The current situation, where the Liberal-National coalition is the dominant force on one side and the Labor party leads the other side, has been the way since 1944 but before that there were various combinations and alliances.

As a % of seats in parliament, this is the worst showing by this Coalition, ever.

In particular, the Liberal Party now hold 27% of the seats. The lost no seats to their Right: they lost them all to Greens, the ALP, and Centrist or Leftist independents.

Dutton and Littleproud indicate every intention of doubling down on their current trajectory. Indeed Dutton seems to think the problem was that the previous government wasn’t hardline enough.

The SA Liberals just had their arses handed to them. The Liberals in the WA Legislative Assembly can legally ride one motorcycle together.

It’s quite possible they are on the way out. A worse result in 2025 could seem them fade like the Australian Democrats in 2028, and the new regime will see some Tealish coalition as the diminant Centre-Right force.

It’s hard to see the Nationals going away as at least a dozen of their seats remain very safe. It’s a rare independent that can pry a seat off the Nationals.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jun/04/the-liberal-party-cannot-rebuild-until-it-rediscovers-its-reason-to-exist

The Liberal party cannot rebuild until it rediscovers its reason to exist

dv said:

ZacGor advises the Liberal party against trying to recapture the centre.
Fair enough, if I was a commentator I’d be giving the Libs shit advice too.

To my mind, people have forgotten that the political landscape is not fixed. The current situation, where the Liberal-National coalition is the dominant force on one side and the Labor party leads the other side, has been the way since 1944 but before that there were various combinations and alliances.

As a % of seats in parliament, this is the worst showing by this Coalition, ever.

In particular, the Liberal Party now hold 27% of the seats. The lost no seats to their Right: they lost them all to Greens, the ALP, and Centrist or Leftist independents.

Dutton and Littleproud indicate every intention of doubling down on their current trajectory. Indeed Dutton seems to think the problem was that the previous government wasn’t hardline enough.

The SA Liberals just had their arses handed to them. The Liberals in the WA Legislative Assembly can legally ride one motorcycle together.

It’s quite possible they are on the way out. A worse result in 2025 could seem them fade like the Australian Democrats in 2028, and the new regime will see some Tealish coalition as the diminant Centre-Right force.

It’s hard to see the Nationals going away as at least a dozen of their seats remain very safe. It’s a rare independent that can pry a seat off the Nationals.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jun/04/the-liberal-party-cannot-rebuild-until-it-rediscovers-its-reason-to-exist

The Liberal party cannot rebuild until it rediscovers its reason to exist

bridget should pack up and go independent.

dv said:

ZacGor advises the Liberal party against trying to recapture the centre.
Fair enough, if I was a commentator I’d be giving the Libs shit advice too.

To my mind, people have forgotten that the political landscape is not fixed. The current situation, where the Liberal-National coalition is the dominant force on one side and the Labor party leads the other side, has been the way since 1944 but before that there were various combinations and alliances.

As a % of seats in parliament, this is the worst showing by this Coalition, ever.

In particular, the Liberal Party now hold 27% of the seats. The lost no seats to their Right: they lost them all to Greens, the ALP, and Centrist or Leftist independents.

Dutton and Littleproud indicate every intention of doubling down on their current trajectory. Indeed Dutton seems to think the problem was that the previous government wasn’t hardline enough.

The SA Liberals just had their arses handed to them. The Liberals in the WA Legislative Assembly can legally ride one motorcycle together.

It’s quite possible they are on the way out. A worse result in 2025 could seem them fade like the Australian Democrats in 2028, and the new regime will see some Tealish coalition as the diminant Centre-Right force.

It’s hard to see the Nationals going away as at least a dozen of their seats remain very safe. It’s a rare independent that can pry a seat off the Nationals.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jun/04/the-liberal-party-cannot-rebuild-until-it-rediscovers-its-reason-to-exist

The Liberal party cannot rebuild until it rediscovers its reason to exist

Let’s hope they decide to double down on hard right conservatism and are thereby reduced to One Nation status.

dv said:

ZacGor advises the Liberal party against trying to recapture the centre.
Fair enough, if I was a commentator I’d be giving the Libs shit advice too.

To my mind, people have forgotten that the political landscape is not fixed. The current situation, where the Liberal-National coalition is the dominant force on one side and the Labor party leads the other side, has been the way since 1944 but before that there were various combinations and alliances.

As a % of seats in parliament, this is the worst showing by this Coalition, ever.

In particular, the Liberal Party now hold 27% of the seats. The lost no seats to their Right: they lost them all to Greens, the ALP, and Centrist or Leftist independents.

Dutton and Littleproud indicate every intention of doubling down on their current trajectory. Indeed Dutton seems to think the problem was that the previous government wasn’t hardline enough.

The SA Liberals just had their arses handed to them. The Liberals in the WA Legislative Assembly can legally ride one motorcycle together.

It’s quite possible they are on the way out. A worse result in 2025 could seem them fade like the Australian Democrats in 2028, and the new regime will see some Tealish coalition as the diminant Centre-Right force.

It’s hard to see the Nationals going away as at least a dozen of their seats remain very safe. It’s a rare independent that can pry a seat off the Nationals.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jun/04/the-liberal-party-cannot-rebuild-until-it-rediscovers-its-reason-to-exist

The Liberal party cannot rebuild until it rediscovers its reason to exist

diminant Centre-Right force.

I’m tossing up whether this was a clever play on words or just errant fingers.

sibeen said:

dv said:

ZacGor advises the Liberal party against trying to recapture the centre.
Fair enough, if I was a commentator I’d be giving the Libs shit advice too.

To my mind, people have forgotten that the political landscape is not fixed. The current situation, where the Liberal-National coalition is the dominant force on one side and the Labor party leads the other side, has been the way since 1944 but before that there were various combinations and alliances.

As a % of seats in parliament, this is the worst showing by this Coalition, ever.

In particular, the Liberal Party now hold 27% of the seats. The lost no seats to their Right: they lost them all to Greens, the ALP, and Centrist or Leftist independents.

Dutton and Littleproud indicate every intention of doubling down on their current trajectory. Indeed Dutton seems to think the problem was that the previous government wasn’t hardline enough.

The SA Liberals just had their arses handed to them. The Liberals in the WA Legislative Assembly can legally ride one motorcycle together.

It’s quite possible they are on the way out. A worse result in 2025 could seem them fade like the Australian Democrats in 2028, and the new regime will see some Tealish coalition as the diminant Centre-Right force.

It’s hard to see the Nationals going away as at least a dozen of their seats remain very safe. It’s a rare independent that can pry a seat off the Nationals.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jun/04/the-liberal-party-cannot-rebuild-until-it-rediscovers-its-reason-to-exist

The Liberal party cannot rebuild until it rediscovers its reason to exist

diminant Centre-Right force.

I’m tossing up whether this was a clever play on words or just errant fingers.

It was a typo

dv said:

ZacGor advises the Liberal party against trying to recapture the centre.
Fair enough, if I was a commentator I’d be giving the Libs shit advice too.

To my mind, people have forgotten that the political landscape is not fixed. The current situation, where the Liberal-National coalition is the dominant force on one side and the Labor party leads the other side, has been the way since 1944 but before that there were various combinations and alliances.

As a % of seats in parliament, this is the worst showing by this Coalition, ever.

In particular, the Liberal Party now hold 27% of the seats. The lost no seats to their Right: they lost them all to Greens, the ALP, and Centrist or Leftist independents.

Dutton and Littleproud indicate every intention of doubling down on their current trajectory. Indeed Dutton seems to think the problem was that the previous government wasn’t hardline enough.

The SA Liberals just had their arses handed to them. The Liberals in the WA Legislative Assembly can legally ride one motorcycle together.

It’s quite possible they are on the way out. A worse result in 2025 could seem them fade like the Australian Democrats in 2028, and the new regime will see some Tealish coalition as the diminant Centre-Right force.

It’s hard to see the Nationals going away as at least a dozen of their seats remain very safe. It’s a rare independent that can pry a seat off the Nationals.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jun/04/the-liberal-party-cannot-rebuild-until-it-rediscovers-its-reason-to-exist

The Liberal party cannot rebuild until it rediscovers its reason to exist

the diminant Centre-Right force.

—

Ha.. one way to describe them

dv said:

ZacGor advises the Liberal party against trying to recapture the centre.
Fair enough, if I was a commentator I’d be giving the Libs shit advice too.

To my mind, people have forgotten that the political landscape is not fixed. The current situation, where the Liberal-National coalition is the dominant force on one side and the Labor party leads the other side, has been the way since 1944 but before that there were various combinations and alliances.

As a % of seats in parliament, this is the worst showing by this Coalition, ever.

In particular, the Liberal Party now hold 27% of the seats. The lost no seats to their Right: they lost them all to Greens, the ALP, and Centrist or Leftist independents.

Dutton and Littleproud indicate every intention of doubling down on their current trajectory. Indeed Dutton seems to think the problem was that the previous government wasn’t hardline enough.

The SA Liberals just had their arses handed to them. The Liberals in the WA Legislative Assembly can legally ride one motorcycle together.

It’s quite possible they are on the way out. A worse result in 2025 could seem them fade like the Australian Democrats in 2028, and the new regime will see some Tealish coalition as the diminant Centre-Right force.

It’s hard to see the Nationals going away as at least a dozen of their seats remain very safe. It’s a rare independent that can pry a seat off the Nationals.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jun/04/the-liberal-party-cannot-rebuild-until-it-rediscovers-its-reason-to-exist

The Liberal party cannot rebuild until it rediscovers its reason to exist

Making money, is complicated.

Ian said:

dv said:

ZacGor advises the Liberal party against trying to recapture the centre.
Fair enough, if I was a commentator I’d be giving the Libs shit advice too.

To my mind, people have forgotten that the political landscape is not fixed. The current situation, where the Liberal-National coalition is the dominant force on one side and the Labor party leads the other side, has been the way since 1944 but before that there were various combinations and alliances.

As a % of seats in parliament, this is the worst showing by this Coalition, ever.

In particular, the Liberal Party now hold 27% of the seats. The lost no seats to their Right: they lost them all to Greens, the ALP, and Centrist or Leftist independents.

Dutton and Littleproud indicate every intention of doubling down on their current trajectory. Indeed Dutton seems to think the problem was that the previous government wasn’t hardline enough.

The SA Liberals just had their arses handed to them. The Liberals in the WA Legislative Assembly can legally ride one motorcycle together.

It’s quite possible they are on the way out. A worse result in 2025 could seem them fade like the Australian Democrats in 2028, and the new regime will see some Tealish coalition as the diminant Centre-Right force.

It’s hard to see the Nationals going away as at least a dozen of their seats remain very safe. It’s a rare independent that can pry a seat off the Nationals.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jun/04/the-liberal-party-cannot-rebuild-until-it-rediscovers-its-reason-to-exist

The Liberal party cannot rebuild until it rediscovers its reason to exist

the diminant Centre-Right force.

—

Ha.. one way to describe them

I needed only the dim bit.

Ian said:

buffy said:

Ian said:

I was just watching the David Littleproud interview on Insiders (I advise against it if you value your sanity).

.. comes out with the same drivel as Baaarnaby but without the humorous non-sequiturs.

My verdict was … unedifying.

Yes..

Speers: Would you pull the gas trigger?

Littleproud: Riffs on govt mistakes

Speers: The question was..

LP: I’ll answer the question..
..More drivel

What did one of the panel say? Something about the mouth was talking but the eyes weren’t with it?

buffy said:

Ian said:

buffy said:

My verdict was … unedifying.

Yes..

Speers: Would you pull the gas trigger?

Littleproud: Riffs on govt mistakes

Speers: The question was..

LP: I’ll answer the question..
..More drivel

What did one of the panel say? Something about the mouth was talking but the eyes weren’t with it?

The eyes have it. in that they weren’t present.
or heard heard.

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

Ian said:

Yes..

Speers: Would you pull the gas trigger?

Littleproud: Riffs on govt mistakes

Speers: The question was..

LP: I’ll answer the question..
..More drivel

What did one of the panel say? Something about the mouth was talking but the eyes weren’t with it?

The eyes have it. in that they weren’t present.
or heard heard.

He’s probably hiding behind his glasses?

https://www.6newsau.com/post/article-in-the-australian-misses-the-mark-multiple-times-when-it-comes-to-preferences-in-griffith

Article in The Australian misses the mark multiple times when it comes to preferences in Griffith

An article written by Gerard Henderson in The Australian has missed the mark on a number of claims regarding preferences in the Queensland seat of Griffith, which the Greens picked up.

Before the May 21 election, the seat was held by Labor MP Terri Butler – but is now in the hands of Max Chandler-Mather.

The article states that “Butler scored 29 per cent of the primary vote” – true – and adds that “she was defeated by the Greens’ Max Chandler-Mather, who received 34.6 per cent” – also true.

In other words, Chandler-Mather made it to parliament on Liberal preferences; Liberal National Party candidate Olivia Roberts had a primary vote of 30.9 per cent.”

Nope.

Terri Butler was – as stated by Henderson – in third place, meaning first preferences for the ALP were the ones being distributed, not LNP.

On a two-party preferred basis, the LNP sits at 39.7% & the Greens at 60.3% – showing it was almost certainly preferences from ALP voters that secured the win for The Greens.

The article also mentions Butler being part of Labor’s “right-wing faction.”

This is also false – Butler is part of Labor Left.

There are several other false claims throughout the article.

One is that “Labor nearly suffered a similar fate in the seat of Macnamara – where Josh Burns narrowly succeeded despite the Liberals preferencing the Greens” – they did not.

Henderson says has has “never understood why the Liberal Party preferences the Greens over Labor in metropolitan seats” – they don’t.

“Most of the Greens who succeeded did so with the support of the Liberals” – that’s untrue, given Ryan & Brisbane were won by the Greens from the LNP, and Adam Bandt is set to pass the 50% mark on first preferences alone in his seat of Melbourne.

We note that even if he doesn’t (as of publication he’s on 49.8%), preferences likely flowed to him from people who voted for parties like the Victorian Socialists & Animal Justice Party.

nice to see the bipartisanship going warm

The federal government has been called on to activate the so-called gas trigger as energy prices soar and gas reserves are put at risk, but both sides say it’s not the solution.

Energy Minister Chris Bowen blames Coalition for Australia’s gas crisis, says ‘gas trigger’ not the answer

‘A lot of cold days’: Nationals Leader concedes gas trigger no short-term solution

Mr Bowen agreed gas companies had a social licence and needed to act in the best interests of the community.

SCIENCE said:

nice to see the bipartisanship going warm

The federal government has been called on to activate the so-called gas trigger as energy prices soar and gas reserves are put at risk, but both sides say it’s not the solution.

Energy Minister Chris Bowen blames Coalition for Australia’s gas crisis, says ‘gas trigger’ not the answer

‘A lot of cold days’: Nationals Leader concedes gas trigger no short-term solution

Mr Bowen agreed gas companies had a social licence and needed to act in the best interests of the community.

Harry Potter has Valdemort as his offsider.

SCIENCE said:

Mr Bowen agreed gas companies had a social licence and needed to act in the best interests of the community.

File that under ‘F’ for ‘Fantasy’, Joyce.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/furious-crossbench-senators-threaten-to-vote-against-labor-legislation-after-staff-cuts-20220625-p5awjb.html

Furious crossbench senators threaten to vote against Labor legislation after staff cuts

—-

Maybe they should rethink this.

Also there’s an error in the article. It says there is a 12 member crossbench in the House, but it is actually 16.

dv said:

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/furious-crossbench-senators-threaten-to-vote-against-labor-legislation-after-staff-cuts-20220625-p5awjb.html

Furious crossbench senators threaten to vote against Labor legislation after staff cuts

—-

Maybe they should rethink this.

Also there’s an error in the article. It says there is a 12 member crossbench in the House, but it is actually 16.

There was 16. Labor sacked some of them, too.

dv said:

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/furious-crossbench-senators-threaten-to-vote-against-labor-legislation-after-staff-cuts-20220625-p5awjb.html

Furious crossbench senators threaten to vote against Labor legislation after staff cuts

—-

Maybe they should rethink this.

Also there’s an error in the article. It says there is a 12 member crossbench in the House, but it is actually 16.

The crossbench should rethink their fury?

Yes, I agree.

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/furious-crossbench-senators-threaten-to-vote-against-labor-legislation-after-staff-cuts-20220625-p5awjb.html

Furious crossbench senators threaten to vote against Labor legislation after staff cuts

—-

Maybe they should rethink this.

Also there’s an error in the article. It says there is a 12 member crossbench in the House, but it is actually 16.

The crossbench should rethink their fury?

Yes, I agree.

It’s a way for Labor to tell the cross-bench that, yes, you’re important, but don’t go thinking that you’re as important as you might imagine you are.

captain_spalding said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/furious-crossbench-senators-threaten-to-vote-against-labor-legislation-after-staff-cuts-20220625-p5awjb.html

Furious crossbench senators threaten to vote against Labor legislation after staff cuts

—-

Maybe they should rethink this.

Also there’s an error in the article. It says there is a 12 member crossbench in the House, but it is actually 16.

The crossbench should rethink their fury?

Yes, I agree.

It’s a way for Labor to tell the cross-bench that, yes, you’re important, but don’t go thinking that you’re as important as you might imagine you are.

Having watched Insiders this morning, I now know that backbenchers don’t have 4 staff, so the cross bench are allocated more staff than backbenchers. I also learned that ScoMo upped the staff numbers for appeasement and it wasn’t 4 staff until quite recently. If I was paying attention.

buffy said:

captain_spalding said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

The crossbench should rethink their fury?

Yes, I agree.

It’s a way for Labor to tell the cross-bench that, yes, you’re important, but don’t go thinking that you’re as important as you might imagine you are.

Having watched Insiders this morning, I now know that backbenchers don’t have 4 staff, so the cross bench are allocated more staff than backbenchers. I also learned that ScoMo upped the staff numbers for appeasement and it wasn’t 4 staff until quite recently. If I was paying attention.

¿ref

definitely good to know if all the fuss is just about shifting settings back to normal

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

captain_spalding said:

It’s a way for Labor to tell the cross-bench that, yes, you’re important, but don’t go thinking that you’re as important as you might imagine you are.

Having watched Insiders this morning, I now know that backbenchers don’t have 4 staff, so the cross bench are allocated more staff than backbenchers. I also learned that ScoMo upped the staff numbers for appeasement and it wasn’t 4 staff until quite recently. If I was paying attention.

¿ref

definitely good to know if all the fuss is just about shifting settings back to normal

The reference is in my post…

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

Having watched Insiders this morning, I now know that backbenchers don’t have 4 staff, so the cross bench are allocated more staff than backbenchers. I also learned that ScoMo upped the staff numbers for appeasement and it wasn’t 4 staff until quite recently. If I was paying attention.

¿ref

definitely good to know if all the fuss is just about shifting settings back to normal

The reference is in my post…

we mean that isn’t a left-wing echo chamber

just kidding but link not easy and also multiple sources would make the fact checking more reliable

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

¿ref

definitely good to know if all the fuss is just about shifting settings back to normal

The reference is in my post…

we mean that isn’t a left-wing echo chamber

just kidding but link not easy and also multiple sources would make the fact checking more reliable

Saw a bit of Insiders this morning.

I think the only one speaking in favour of the proposed changes was that well known exterme lefty Greg Sheridan.

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

¿ref

definitely good to know if all the fuss is just about shifting settings back to normal

The reference is in my post…

we mean that isn’t a left-wing echo chamber

just kidding but link not easy and also multiple sources would make the fact checking more reliable

I still think this is a rather inopportune time to be going after this…

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

The reference is in my post…

we mean that isn’t a left-wing echo chamber

just kidding but link not easy and also multiple sources would make the fact checking more reliable

I still think this is a rather inopportune time to be going after this…

know but seriously what is the usual number of staff or the usual staffing ratio, is there a chart of changes over time

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

we mean that isn’t a left-wing echo chamber

just kidding but link not easy and also multiple sources would make the fact checking more reliable

I still think this is a rather inopportune time to be going after this…

know but seriously what is the usual number of staff or the usual staffing ratio, is there a chart of changes over time

https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/FlagPost/2021/June/Who_works_in_Parliament_House

Also:

>>Members are provided with office accommodation in Parliament House and in their electorate and are entitled to employ three full-time staff members, or equivalent part-time staff. One staff member may be located in Canberra. In some of the larger electorates a second office and an additional staff member are provided. Each Member also has a limited budget to employ casual staff. The number and level of Members’ staff, the location and extent of office accommodation outside Parliament House and the nature of office furniture and equipment, including computer services, for these offices are determined by the Minister for Finance. Electorate staff are employed under the Members of Parliament (Staff) Act 1984.<<

From:

https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/House_of_Representatives/Powers_practice_and_procedure/Practice7/HTML/Chapter5/Members%E2%80%99_remuneration_and_expenses

The federal government’s people smuggling surveillance operations have been poorly managed and underdelivering for more than a decade, with at least $17 million being spent without supporting invoices, a scathing audit report has found.

A $1.5 billion contract between the Home Affairs Department and Surveillance Australia aimed at preventing people smuggling and thwarting other maritime threats has failed to meet a number of key requirements, a report by the Australian National Audit Office revealed.

The report found the department had continued to pay the full monthly rate of the contract despite the supplier not providing enough aircrew to fulfill the requirements.

First signed in 2008 for $1.19 billion, Surveillance Australia was required to provide 10 fixed-wing aircrafts, a crew of nearly 30 and 15,000 flying hours each year in order to monitor maritime borders in the country’s northern reaches.

However, aircrew requirements had never once been met over the 12 years of the contract with the average shortfall of staff reaching 33 per cent, the report revealed.

“Home Affairs has continued to pay the full fixed component of the service charge, in effect, paying for aircrew that have not been provided,” the report said.

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/7465598/people-smuggling-contract-failed-to-provide-aircrew-mystery-17m-spent-anao-finds/

sarahs mum said:

The federal government’s people smuggling surveillance operations have been poorly managed and underdelivering for more than a decade, with at least $17 million being spent without supporting invoices, a scathing audit report has found.

A $1.5 billion contract between the Home Affairs Department and Surveillance Australia aimed at preventing people smuggling and thwarting other maritime threats has failed to meet a number of key requirements, a report by the Australian National Audit Office revealed.

The report found the department had continued to pay the full monthly rate of the contract despite the supplier not providing enough aircrew to fulfill the requirements.

First signed in 2008 for $1.19 billion, Surveillance Australia was required to provide 10 fixed-wing aircrafts, a crew of nearly 30 and 15,000 flying hours each year in order to monitor maritime borders in the country’s northern reaches.

However, aircrew requirements had never once been met over the 12 years of the contract with the average shortfall of staff reaching 33 per cent, the report revealed.

“Home Affairs has continued to pay the full fixed component of the service charge, in effect, paying for aircrew that have not been provided,” the report said.

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/7465598/people-smuggling-contract-failed-to-provide-aircrew-mystery-17m-spent-anao-finds/

oh. old news. sorry.