New thread.

Spiny Norman said:

New thread.

Up there for thinking.

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

Endgame

in french or whatever, do I need learn french

SCIENCE said:

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

Endgame

in french or whatever, do I need learn french

thankyou, master science

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

transition said:

in french or whatever, do I need learn french

thankyou, master science

should able to start a clinic for that, creates employment, probably sell some pharmaceuticals

and more subjects to study, the raw materials, be able to do bigger studies, for those that like to count higher than their fingers

be some media stories in it also

whatever, patch over the stupid, plenty stupid around

Been a busy month here re COVID. Wife, two sons (one for the second time), daughter, grand daughter, all got it.

OK, it’s not the best source in the world, but this piece reports on WHO figures for excess deaths around the world for 2020-21. The writing is a bit all over the place. I suppose I could search for the actual report…

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10788751/How-Swedens-Covid-gamble-paid-Nation-suffered-FEWER-deaths-pandemic-majority-Europe.html

Here is the actual WHO report, if anyone wants to take a look at it.

https://www.who.int/data/stories/global-excess-deaths-associated-with-covid-19-january-2020-december-2021

buffy said:

OK, it’s not the best source in the world, but this piece reports on WHO figures for excess deaths around the world for 2020-21. The writing is a bit all over the place. I suppose I could search for the actual report…

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10788751/How-Swedens-Covid-gamble-paid-Nation-suffered-FEWER-deaths-pandemic-majority-Europe.html

Heaps worse than all its neighbours, which would presumably be the most immediate comparison (shrugs)

dv said:

buffy said:

OK, it’s not the best source in the world, but this piece reports on WHO figures for excess deaths around the world for 2020-21. The writing is a bit all over the place. I suppose I could search for the actual report…

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10788751/How-Swedens-Covid-gamble-paid-Nation-suffered-FEWER-deaths-pandemic-majority-Europe.html

Heaps worse than all its neighbours, which would presumably be the most immediate comparison (shrugs)

They shouldn’t have really put Sweden in the headline. Most of the piece is about the world in general. But as I said, not the best source.

buffy said:

OK, it’s not the best source in the world, but this piece reports on WHO figures for excess deaths around the world for 2020-21. The writing is a bit all over the place. I suppose I could search for the actual report…

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10788751/How-Swedens-Covid-gamble-paid-Nation-suffered-FEWER-deaths-pandemic-majority-Europe.html

no pattern of stupid through that page

transition said:

buffy said:

OK, it’s not the best source in the world, but this piece reports on WHO figures for excess deaths around the world for 2020-21. The writing is a bit all over the place. I suppose I could search for the actual report…

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10788751/How-Swedens-Covid-gamble-paid-Nation-suffered-FEWER-deaths-pandemic-majority-Europe.html

no pattern of stupid through that page

’…deaths have been caused by covid…’

were they, are they, is that the only way to see it, is it the best way, and did the virus actually directly ever kill anyone, or is it the immune response etc

is it an equally accurate proposition if I wrote it deaths caused by the hosts that transport covid (or replace transport with propagate)

is pregnancy caused by sperms and ova

https://www.lunduniversity.lu.se/article/qa-covid-19-vaccine-study-gains-attention

Link

A new study from Lund University in Sweden on how the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine affects human liver cells under experimental conditions, has been viewed more than 800,000 times in just over a week. The results have been widely discussed across social media – but the results have in many cases been misinterpreted. Two of the authors, Associate Professor Yang de Marinis (YDM) and Professor Magnus Rasmussen (MR), share their views

Boris said:

https://www.lunduniversity.lu.se/article/qa-covid-19-vaccine-study-gains-attention

Link

A new study from Lund University in Sweden on how the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine affects human liver cells under experimental conditions, has been viewed more than 800,000 times in just over a week. The results have been widely discussed across social media – but the results have in many cases been misinterpreted. Two of the authors, Associate Professor Yang de Marinis (YDM) and Professor Magnus Rasmussen (MR), share their views

And if anyone wants to try the paper itself (it’s very complex)

https://www.mdpi.com/1467-3045/44/3/73

oh sorry wait we thought it was the 20% of victims that develop LongCOVID who actually have the mental health disorder

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-05/shanghai-lockdown-covid-mental-health-crisis/101113734

The Ivory Tower Writes About Crimson Blood Guts And Gore

https://theconversation.com/emergency-departments-are-clogged-and-patients-are-waiting-for-hours-or-giving-up-whats-going-on-184242

what are you stupid the cruises must go on The Economy Must Grow screw the environment

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-05/cruise-ships-pacific-tourism-pollution-environment/101080764

SCIENCE said:

oh sorry wait we thought it was the 20% of victims that develop LongCOVID who actually have the mental health disorder

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-05/shanghai-lockdown-covid-mental-health-crisis/101113734

ah yes the impressively good intentioned globalists doing their good work, my reading of that page – the unsaid – is that china is doing a good job so-far at dynamic covid zero, not much help from outside though, the global program of disease liberalization doesn’t help much, makes it near impossible maybe, especially if the west is setting up anti-lockdown call centres for them

opinion above is all, some humor, excuse the creative license in the comic dimension I added, if it doesn’t serve your world view

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

oh sorry wait we thought it was the 20% of victims that develop LongCOVID who actually have the mental health disorder

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-05/shanghai-lockdown-covid-mental-health-crisis/101113734

ah yes the impressively good intentioned globalists doing their good work, my reading of that page – the unsaid – is that china is doing a good job so-far at dynamic covid zero, not much help from outside though, the global program of disease liberalization doesn’t help much, makes it near impossible maybe, especially if the west is setting up anti-lockdown call centres for them

opinion above is all, some humor, excuse the creative license in the comic dimension I added, if it doesn’t serve your world view

death is duty our comrades, no need to get upset and mental unhealth from having friends and family die, only lockdown causes mental unhealth, death in the name of freedom is to be celebrated

Congratulations, You Have Ended The Pandemic ¡

probably something else

ah remember 2011, good times

https://twitter.com/jmcrookston/status/1534029902705569792

SCIENCE said:

probably something else

I expect, probably of most people that know of the term long covid, that whatever the notion formed it contributes worse than nothing to their understanding of biology

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

probably something else

I expect, probably of most people that know of the term long covid, that whatever the notion formed it contributes worse than nothing to their understanding of biology

I mean an idea worse than none at all

transition said:

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

probably something else

I expect, probably of most people that know of the term long covid, that whatever the notion formed it contributes worse than nothing to their understanding of biology

I mean an idea worse than none at all

it’s only COVID-19 if there’s a test and it comes back positive

it’s only long-COVID-19 if there’s a test and it comes back positive and they believe that symptom patterns they’ve never suffered before are related to it

SCIENCE said:

transition said:

transition said:

I expect, probably of most people that know of the term long covid, that whatever the notion formed it contributes worse than nothing to their understanding of biology

I mean an idea worse than none at all

it’s only COVID-19 if there’s a test and it comes back positive

it’s only long-COVID-19 if there’s a test and it comes back positive and they believe that symptom patterns they’ve never suffered before are related to it

many people a century ago and way before probably had a better appreciation of disease causing injury, and of convalescence required for proper recovery, falling back on modern medicine as savior hardly inclines study of ignorance

I mean consider promoting unlimited wild status of a highly contagious pathogen that causes brain shrinkage and damage, that’s mad, totally mad

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

transition said:

I mean an idea worse than none at all

it’s only COVID-19 if there’s a test and it comes back positive

it’s only long-COVID-19 if there’s a test and it comes back positive and they believe that symptom patterns they’ve never suffered before are related to it

many people a century ago and way before probably had a better appreciation of disease causing injury, and of convalescence required for proper recovery, falling back on modern medicine as savior hardly inclines study of ignorance

I mean consider promoting unlimited wild status of a highly contagious pathogen that causes brain shrinkage and damage, that’s mad, totally mad

100 years ago most people hardly even knew about ultraviolet lamps, let alone that sticking one up your arse can cure Covid.

dv said:

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

it’s only COVID-19 if there’s a test and it comes back positive

it’s only long-COVID-19 if there’s a test and it comes back positive and they believe that symptom patterns they’ve never suffered before are related to it

many people a century ago and way before probably had a better appreciation of disease causing injury, and of convalescence required for proper recovery, falling back on modern medicine as savior hardly inclines study of ignorance

I mean consider promoting unlimited wild status of a highly contagious pathogen that causes brain shrinkage and damage, that’s mad, totally mad

100 years ago most people hardly even knew about ultraviolet lamps, let alone that sticking one up your arse can cure Covid.

my reading..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diphtheria

don’t worry just more lies

https://katu.com/news/local/psychiatric-disorders-more-likely-following-covid-diagnosis-osu-study-shows

We know about long-term effects like fatigue, brain fog, and shortness of breath. Now, psychiatric disorders may also be a long-term symptom of the virus. A new study out of OSU has found people who had COVID-19 may be 25% more likely to develop a psychiatric disorder four months after the infection.

SCIENCE said:

probably something else

Does that tweet say someone claims to have had COVID19 in 2018?!

Monkeypox the new Covid I wonder ?

Cymek said:

Monkeypox the new Covid I wonder ?

Most unlikely.

these fuckwits are just trying to decrease cancer deaths so that they really can call COVID-19 the number 1 cause of death

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2201445?query=featured_home

Because mismatch repair–deficient colorectal cancer is responsive to programmed death 1 (PD-1) blockade in the context of metastatic disease, it was hypothesized that checkpoint blockade could be effective in patients with mismatch repair–deficient, locally advanced rectal cancer.

A total of 12 patients have completed treatment with dostarlimab and have undergone at least 6 months of follow-up. All 12 patients (100%; 95% confidence interval, 74 to 100) had a clinical complete response, with no evidence of tumor on magnetic resonance imaging, 18F-fluorodeoxyglucose–positron-emission tomography, endoscopic evaluation, digital rectal examination, or biopsy. At the time of this report, no patients had received chemoradiotherapy or undergone surgery, and no cases of progression or recurrence had been reported during follow-up (range, 6 to 25 months). No adverse events of grade 3 or higher have been reported.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/05/health/rectal-cancer-checkpoint-inhibitor.html

Dr. Luis A. Diaz Jr. of Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center, an author of a paper published Sunday in the New England Journal of Medicine describing the results, which were sponsored by the drug company GlaxoSmithKline, said he knew of no other study in which a treatment completely obliterated a cancer in every patient. “I believe this is the first time this has happened in the history of cancer,” Dr. Diaz said. Dr. Alan P. Venook, a colorectal cancer specialist at the University of California, San Francisco, who was not involved with the study, said he also thought this was a first. A complete remission in every single patient is “unheard-of,” he said.

typical party pooper*

Dr. Kimmie Ng, a colorectal cancer expert at Harvard Medical School, said that while the results were “remarkable” and “unprecedented,” they would need to be replicated.

*: yes yes we know

mollwollfumble said:

1. Is this the most recent Covid thread?

Top countries for Covid deaths. Australian Covid is not getting significantly better in terms of number of deaths..
Taiwan and Portugal are both showing rapidly rising death rates. But are peaking in terms of number of new cases.
A caveat for this graph. Ireland and Finland have higher death rates but they’re not reporting reliably enough to plot. These are other countries above the USA. Many Caribbean Island nations are reporting Covid deaths and because of the low population these show up as spikes on a death per population scale.

2. Each week I feel like printing the following map and posting it at the local shopping centre.

1. Now it is.

2. Do it.

SCIENCE said:

mollwollfumble said:

1. Is this the most recent Covid thread?

Top countries for Covid deaths. Australian Covid is not getting significantly better in terms of number of deaths..
Taiwan and Portugal are both showing rapidly rising death rates. But are peaking in terms of number of new cases.
A caveat for this graph. Ireland and Finland have higher death rates but they’re not reporting reliably enough to plot. These are other countries above the USA. Many Caribbean Island nations are reporting Covid deaths and because of the low population these show up as spikes on a death per population scale.

2. Each week I feel like printing the following map and posting it at the local shopping centre.

1. Now it is.

2. Do it.

Ta.

mollwollfumble said:

SCIENCE said:

mollwollfumble said:

1. Is this the most recent Covid thread?

Top countries for Covid deaths. Australian Covid is not getting significantly better in terms of number of deaths..
Taiwan and Portugal are both showing rapidly rising death rates. But are peaking in terms of number of new cases.
A caveat for this graph. Ireland and Finland have higher death rates but they’re not reporting reliably enough to plot. These are other countries above the USA. Many Caribbean Island nations are reporting Covid deaths and because of the low population these show up as spikes on a death per population scale.

2. Each week I feel like printing the following map and posting it at the local shopping centre.

1. Now it is.

2. Do it.

Ta.

Or put on a aluminium hat and hand them out in person

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/08/trials-of-new-covid-vaccine-raise-hopes-of-once-a-year-booster

sarahs mum said:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/08/trials-of-new-covid-vaccine-raise-hopes-of-once-a-year-booster

Good, it’s still running riot everywhere it’s just doesn’t have the media impact that it once did.

Peak Warming Man said:

sarahs mum said:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/08/trials-of-new-covid-vaccine-raise-hopes-of-once-a-year-booster

Good, it’s still running riot everywhere it’s just doesn’t have the media impact that it once did.

What’s this once a year booster, literally it’s already been a once year booster…

Also news has to be new, so coming to accept a massive decrease in life is pretty nice, just like how extinctions aren’t news or media impact either.

I’ve been flat out all afternoon charging the batteries in my vehicles.
I’ll sleep well tonight.

Peak Warming Man said:

I’ve been flat out all afternoon charging the batteries in my vehicles.
I’ll sleep well tonight.

I get it… flat … batteries

dv said:

Peak Warming Man said:

I’ve been flat out all afternoon charging the batteries in my vehicles.
I’ll sleep well tonight.

I get it… flat … batteries

Same here with car, radio, key fobs..

scratches eyeballs

Japan Becomes Democratic

People’s Republic Of Korea

Foreign tourists visiting Japan will be required to wear masks and spend their entire stay chaperoned by local guides,

Only visitors on package tours will be allowed in during the first phase, the Japan Tourism Agency (JTA) said, adding that travel agency guides accompanying visitors must ensure that they wear masks. That will be less of a problem for people from other Asian countries where mask-wearing has been widely accepted during the pandemic, but potentially problematic for those from countries that no longer have mask mandates and where their use generated political controversy.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/08/japan-to-let-in-foreign-tourists-but-only-if-masked-and-accompanied-by-chaperone

Big TobacCoVid Are On The Case

lies, children need a good hepatitis and liver failure to teach it how to regenerate

SCIENCE said:

lies, children need a good hepatitis and liver failure to teach it how to regenerate

What does “Adv” mean in this context?

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

lies, children need a good hepatitis and liver failure to teach it how to regenerate

What does “Adv” mean in this context?

adenovirus, that other common, cold-andor-gastro-type virus, that some agents were insisting was responsible for the cases

Fucking Laugh Out Loud Fuck Yeah

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2793178

Neurodevelopmental Outcomes at 1 Year in Infants of Mothers Who Tested Positive for SARS-CoV-2 During Pregnancy

Question Is COVID-19 exposure in utero associated with increased risk for neurodevelopmental disorders in the first year of life?

Findings In this cohort study of 7772 infants delivered during the COVID-19 pandemic, those born to the 222 mothers with a positive SARS-CoV-2 polymerase chain reaction test during pregnancy were more likely to receive a neurodevelopmental diagnosis in the first 12 months after delivery, even after accounting for preterm delivery.

Maternal SARS-CoV-2 positivity during pregnancy was associated with greater rate of neurodevelopmental diagnoses in unadjusted models (odds ratio [OR], 2.17 [95% CI, 1.24-3.79]; P = .006) as well as those adjusted for race, ethnicity, insurance status, offspring sex, maternal age, and preterm status (adjusted OR, 1.86 [95% CI, 1.03-3.36]; P = .04). Third-trimester infection was associated with effects of larger magnitude (adjusted OR, 2.34 [95% CI, 1.23-4.44]; P = .01).

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

lies, children need a good hepatitis and liver failure to teach it how to regenerate

What does “Adv” mean in this context?

adenovirus, that other common, cold-andor-gastro-type virus, that some agents were insisting was responsible for the cases

Thanks.

:)

another fun

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-61741139

Wizz Air is facing a backlash from pilot unions after the airline’s boss appeared to call on crew to work through fatigue. Chief executive Jozsef Varadi said staff should go “the extra mile” when tired so that the airline could avoid cancelling flights. Pilot unions said flying when fatigued is dangerous and his comments showed a “deficient safety culture”.

this is fucking stupid, what are all these CHINA style killings and restrictions they’re talking about

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-11/uk-fmd-outbreak-helping-australia-protect-its-farrmers/101070438

can’t they just Let It Rip® and get literal herd immunity, it doesn’t even kill children

SCIENCE said:

this is fucking stupid, what are all these CHINA style killings and restrictions they’re talking about

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-11/uk-fmd-outbreak-helping-australia-protect-its-farrmers/101070438

can’t they just Let It Rip® and get literal herd immunity, it doesn’t even kill children

It looks like you do not grok the situation.

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

this is fucking stupid, what are all these CHINA style killings and restrictions they’re talking about

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-11/uk-fmd-outbreak-helping-australia-protect-its-farrmers/101070438

can’t they just Let It Rip® and get literal herd immunity, it doesn’t even kill children

It looks like you do not grok the situation.

well what do you want to do, force cattle to submit to 5G violations of their liberties and animal abuse in the form of masking them up for the rest of eternity

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

this is fucking stupid, what are all these CHINA style killings and restrictions they’re talking about

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-11/uk-fmd-outbreak-helping-australia-protect-its-farrmers/101070438

can’t they just Let It Rip® and get literal herd immunity, it doesn’t even kill children

It looks like you do not grok the situation.

well what do you want to do, force cattle to submit to 5G violations of their liberties and animal abuse in the form of masking them up for the rest of eternity

It isn’t up to me.

SCIENCE said:

another fun

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-61741139

Wizz Air is facing a backlash from pilot unions after the airline’s boss appeared to call on crew to work through fatigue. Chief executive Jozsef Varadi said staff should go “the extra mile” when tired so that the airline could avoid cancelling flights. Pilot unions said flying when fatigued is dangerous and his comments showed a “deficient safety culture”.

keep the momentum up for the internationalist disease libertarianism, otherwise how is it all to keep working

in the ten years before covid air travel increased rapidly, no small investment

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

another fun

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-61741139

Wizz Air is facing a backlash from pilot unions after the airline’s boss appeared to call on crew to work through fatigue. Chief executive Jozsef Varadi said staff should go “the extra mile” when tired so that the airline could avoid cancelling flights. Pilot unions said flying when fatigued is dangerous and his comments showed a “deficient safety culture”.

keep the momentum up for the internationalist disease libertarianism, otherwise how is it all to keep working

in the ten years before covid air travel increased rapidly, no small investment

I don’t understand that directive. There’s very clear and specific flight & duty time rules that airlines (and all flying as well) have to adhere to. There’s no such thing as ‘going the extra mile’. It is possible though to go a little over the permitted duty time but then an extended rest period is required.

SCIENCE said:

Fucking Laugh Out Loud Fuck Yeah

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2793178

Neurodevelopmental Outcomes at 1 Year in Infants of Mothers Who Tested Positive for SARS-CoV-2 During Pregnancy

Question Is COVID-19 exposure in utero associated with increased risk for neurodevelopmental disorders in the first year of life?

Findings In this cohort study of 7772 infants delivered during the COVID-19 pandemic, those born to the 222 mothers with a positive SARS-CoV-2 polymerase chain reaction test during pregnancy were more likely to receive a neurodevelopmental diagnosis in the first 12 months after delivery, even after accounting for preterm delivery.

Maternal SARS-CoV-2 positivity during pregnancy was associated with greater rate of neurodevelopmental diagnoses in unadjusted models (odds ratio [OR], 2.17 [95% CI, 1.24-3.79]; P = .006) as well as those adjusted for race, ethnicity, insurance status, offspring sex, maternal age, and preterm status (adjusted OR, 1.86 [95% CI, 1.03-3.36]; P = .04). Third-trimester infection was associated with effects of larger magnitude (adjusted OR, 2.34 [95% CI, 1.23-4.44]; P = .01).

should be able to hide that with a few wines

so I indulged in some humor, which may be received as highly inappropriate, which humor often is, because it explores unsaid stuff

ChrispenEvan said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

dv said:

Spiny Norman said:

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Michael V said:

ChrispenEvan said:

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

dv said:

dv said:

ChrispenEvan said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

dv said:

ChrispenEvan said:

dv said:

Seems to me that an enormous about of value and time is wasted by not switching to the work from home model where possible. Hours lost in communiting, millions lost in unnecessary office rental, millions of tonnes of unnecessary emissions of communters, money spent ensuring infrastructure copes with two daily peak hour surges etc.

but how can you feel like a real boss if the office is empty?

Well the office isn’t even there. The boss is at home too.

I mean yeah obv there are still plenty of jobs that can’t be done like that… we don’t have good enough robotics to do teleplumbing etc but I would guess that 80% of the jobs currently being done in an office can be done remotely now and that the whole idea of a business office kind of went obsolete ( or should have ) with the advent of high speed internet.

Well maybe if there was some decent teleconference software, but with what we have face to face meetings are a much better experience, and are probably more productive as well.

so what do you put down to the reason why companies seem adverse to implementing work from home?

Okay though meetings are usually a waste of time too

Well I’d just be guessing. Inability to adapt? Commitment to a structure? Maybe they are already locked in to long leases?

Because they fear that workers ensconced in their kitchen are Holiday Foruming when they should be working God-Damnit!

hmmmm cymek HFs from work.

Well certainly in recent times e-mail discussions have probably often led to a quicker and better outcome than a formal meeting would have.

But OTOH, meetings still have their place.

I mean it is still possible to gauge productivity. Who gives a shit what hours people are working or how they divide up their time if they are being productive?

yep, the friday after work ones where you sit around with the boss and a few beers and talk about work and any problems.

:)

Certainly but if you can do 100% of your work in 70% of the time alloted some accountant might get narky.

You do know about the state of our NBN in this country, don’t you…

It’s pretty reliable and fast enough for me here, but for sure there’s many other places that don’t do so well.

Why? Or more to the point, sack him and use some bot to do your accountancy.

Exactly.

same here, no complaints.

so yeah we love how a deadly pandemic provided the perfect excuse to get this all sorted and bring working life into the 21st century, only for idiocy to dominate and try to force everyone back to the office as soon as possible

lies

oops

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-06-09/child-covid-19-cases-jump-in-south-africa-discovery-health-says

The number of South African children younger than nine admitted to hospital with Covid-19 has overtaken the proportion of patients aged over 80 for the first time as new omicron strains dominate infections, the country’s biggest health insurer said.

so

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-05/ambulance-funding-stop-ramping-more-paramedics-premier/101127486

will it

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/jun/12/paramedics-are-leaving-in-droves-as-ambulance-callouts-almost-double

work

Why the world’s still waiting for a dementia cure, and what we can do in the meantime

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-13/dementia-alzheimers-research-medication-drug-trials/101141746

¡ we know, we know !

¡¡ we could prevent the spread of dementiavirus !!

¡¡¡ nah no way why would we want to do that, dementia is freedom !!!

two and a half years into a pandemic where some schools switched to remote learning temporarily comma Australian media discover that some students have remote learned just fine for seventy years

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-13/digital-learning-refined-to-help-children-stay-on-track/101145160

Online education helped Amber Patupis build an extraordinary life in country Australia. The 17-year-old completed primary school through School of the Air

Her mother Rasa said Amber’s computer-based lessons, online lectures, and virtual whiteboards marked a stark difference in the tools she used as a girl. In the early 1970s, Rasa’s primary school distance education at Eucla depended on rotary-dial telephones and an infrequent mail service to deliver worksheets. “And my parents, their first language wasn’t English. They’re from Lithuania,” she said. “So Mum found it quite difficult.”

Despite Amber’s enthusiasm for the current model, experts believe there is plenty of ground still to cover in helping children use digital technology to get an education. Amber also pointed out that improving online learning outcomes would require improved telecommunications, with connectivity issues causing problems for her in Esperance.

Oh well at least we can blame lockdowns and people failing to catch deadly diseases before, for a lack of immunity, instead of an immunosuppressive virus like SARACAIDS-CoV-2019 ¡

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-13/singapore-dengue-fever-cases-rise-emergency/101141234

Beijing resident says she is annoyed by having to blow her nose once every 3 days to help prevent disease that is lethal to 1% or more of her fellow citizens and disabling to 20% of the survivors.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-13/china-makes-pcr-covid-tests-mandatory-public-spaces/101137888

Decades behind dirty ASIAN food outlets like sushi trains, Ken Behrens discovers automated self-service ¡

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-13/canberra-cafe-embraces-robot-automation/101146300

• One Canberra cafe owner is investing $30,000 in an autonomous robot waiter
• Quantum Robotics say it’s unlikely the hospitality robots would lessen the need for human staff
• Unions say the robots are welcome if they improve workplace safety for workers

SCIENCE said:

Beijing resident says she is annoyed by having to blow her nose once every 3 days to help prevent disease that is lethal to 1% or more of her fellow citizens and disabling to 20% of the survivors.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-13/china-makes-pcr-covid-tests-mandatory-public-spaces/101137888

had me a proper gander at that

https://twitter.com/TRyanGregory/status/1536120417210990593

Once there was a park where people liked to go camping.

One summer, there were many reports of bears in the area and people were concerned that camping wouldn’t be safe.

The park ranger assured everyone that it was perfectly safe and encouraged them to keep camping.

Many people trusted the park ranger and went camping. A few campers were mauled.

This being unusual, an investigation was started.

By the park ranger who had said camping was safe.

The park ranger proposed that the leading suspect behind the maulings was an aggressive raccoon.

“But raccoons have never done that, and there are bears in the area. Why wouldn’t you start with bears as the most likely suspect?”

“Epistemic trespassing!” shouted the park ranger. “I am the expert on park wildlife, and I say it’s most likely a raccoon.”

Others noted that not only do raccoons not exhibit such behaviour, the victims showed no wounds consistent with raccoon bites.

Others noted that the injuries sustained are consistent with known bear attacks, and that it was known that there were bears in the area.

Some people asked why the park ranger wasn’t looking for evidence that bears had been at the campsites of the victims.

The park ranger replied that there were bear tracks all over the campsites so this wouldn’t be useful in figuring out which animal mauled the campers.

People were understandably very frustrated. They wondered why the park ranger was so committed to the raccoon hypothesis and dismissive of the bear explanation.

“Conspiracy theories!” yelled the park ranger.m

Meanwhile, campers continued to be attacked.

“Yes, but we accept a certain baseline of animal attacks and the risk remains low overall”, said the park ranger.

This dragged on for many weeks. No matter what rangers at other parks reported or what wildlife biologists said, the ranger at this park clung to the raccoon story.

People started to seriously wonder if this is what rangers are taught in ranger school. Or whether it was political pressure from the park authorities. Or whether the ranger was simply refusing to admit that he was mistaken in telling people that camping was safe.

To many people, it was obvious that bears should be the leading suspects and that strong evidence would be needed to rule this out.

But the ranger just kept looking for evidence of raccoons and finding signs that they were indeed common in the park.

How does the story end? Like campers being mauled, it’s a mystery.

(With apologies to park rangers, raccoons, and bears — all of whom are actually great).

Italians making masks look cool, but maybe it’s the masks making the Italians look cool.

SCIENCE said:

:)

SCIENCE said:

surely a disease can be both endemic as well as causing a pandemic…

diddly-squat said:

SCIENCE said:

surely a disease can be both endemic as well as causing a pandemic…

Does seem to fit both definitions

dv said:

diddly-squat said:

SCIENCE said:

surely a disease can be both endemic as well as causing a pandemic…

Does seem to fit both definitions

I mean it’s hard to argue that covid isn’t, at least, very close to being endemic in large parts of the world, but also that there continues to be significant and sustained outbreaks across large geographies.

diddly-squat said:

dv said:

diddly-squat said:

surely a disease can be both endemic as well as causing a pandemic…

Does seem to fit both definitions

I mean it’s hard to argue that covid isn’t, at least, very close to being endemic in large parts of the world, but also that there continues to be significant and sustained outbreaks across large geographies.

doubt the reality satisfies the definition of endemic (if that means endemic equilibrium) it’s a stretch in my opinion, massive waves of new variants and the infection numbers don’t stabilize

doubt it satisfies the definition of pandemic either, because humans have assisted the wild state, assisted higher numbers, with no limits in many places toward something like herd immunity, and again of definitions herd immunity is I doubt suitable

not sure, needs some new words strung together to describe it maybe

transition said:

diddly-squat said:

dv said:

Does seem to fit both definitions

I mean it’s hard to argue that covid isn’t, at least, very close to being endemic in large parts of the world, but also that there continues to be significant and sustained outbreaks across large geographies.

doubt the reality satisfies the definition of endemic (if that means endemic equilibrium) it’s a stretch in my opinion, massive waves of new variants and the infection numbers don’t stabilize

doubt it satisfies the definition of pandemic either, because humans have assisted the wild state, assisted higher numbers, with no limits in many places toward something like herd immunity, and again of definitions herd immunity is I doubt suitable

not sure, needs some new words strung together to describe it maybe

It’s everywhere.

transition said:

diddly-squat said:

dv said:

Does seem to fit both definitions

I mean it’s hard to argue that covid isn’t, at least, very close to being endemic in large parts of the world, but also that there continues to be significant and sustained outbreaks across large geographies.

doubt the reality satisfies the definition of endemic (if that means endemic equilibrium) it’s a stretch in my opinion, massive waves of new variants and the infection numbers don’t stabilize

doubt it satisfies the definition of pandemic either, because humans have assisted the wild state, assisted higher numbers, with no limits in many places toward something like herd immunity, and again of definitions herd immunity is I doubt suitable

not sure, needs some new words strung together to describe it maybe

endemic
/ɛnˈdɛmɪk/
adjective
(of a disease) prevalent over a whole country or the world.

pandemic
/panˈdɛmɪk/
noun
an outbreak of a pandemic disease.

diddly-squat said:

transition said:

diddly-squat said:

I mean it’s hard to argue that covid isn’t, at least, very close to being endemic in large parts of the world, but also that there continues to be significant and sustained outbreaks across large geographies.

doubt the reality satisfies the definition of endemic (if that means endemic equilibrium) it’s a stretch in my opinion, massive waves of new variants and the infection numbers don’t stabilize

doubt it satisfies the definition of pandemic either, because humans have assisted the wild state, assisted higher numbers, with no limits in many places toward something like herd immunity, and again of definitions herd immunity is I doubt suitable

not sure, needs some new words strung together to describe it maybe

endemic
/ɛnˈdɛmɪk/
adjective
(of a disease) prevalent over a whole country or the world.

pandemic
/panˈdɛmɪk/
noun
an outbreak of a pandemic disease.

of those very basic definitions, which applied might require refining for what they are applied, starting with pandemic..

it is not a pandemic if the numbers are intentionally made high by the hosts(accepted unlimited infection numbers and tranmission), if the hosts go about normalizing unlimited infection numbers, that’s my view anyway

and of endemic I might argue that the various scale interactions there, global and national for example, connected by (the force of) international travel, that if endemic isn’t defined in some technical way it’s more a loose normative word as applied, meaning it is being used to influences what the hosts accept as normal

PermeateFree said:

transition said:

diddly-squat said:

I mean it’s hard to argue that covid isn’t, at least, very close to being endemic in large parts of the world, but also that there continues to be significant and sustained outbreaks across large geographies.

doubt the reality satisfies the definition of endemic (if that means endemic equilibrium) it’s a stretch in my opinion, massive waves of new variants and the infection numbers don’t stabilize

doubt it satisfies the definition of pandemic either, because humans have assisted the wild state, assisted higher numbers, with no limits in many places toward something like herd immunity, and again of definitions herd immunity is I doubt suitable

not sure, needs some new words strung together to describe it maybe

It’s everywhere.

that’s how the lady says it, to which I quietly think of course it is if you think like that

diddly-squat said:

transition said:

diddly-squat said:

I mean it’s hard to argue that covid isn’t, at least, very close to being endemic in large parts of the world, but also that there continues to be significant and sustained outbreaks across large geographies.

doubt the reality satisfies the definition of endemic (if that means endemic equilibrium) it’s a stretch in my opinion, massive waves of new variants and the infection numbers don’t stabilize

doubt it satisfies the definition of pandemic either, because humans have assisted the wild state, assisted higher numbers, with no limits in many places toward something like herd immunity, and again of definitions herd immunity is I doubt suitable

not sure, needs some new words strung together to describe it maybe

endemic
/ɛnˈdɛmɪk/
adjective
(of a disease) prevalent over a whole country or the world.

pandemic
/panˈdɛmɪk/
noun
an outbreak of a pandemic disease.

They use the word in its own definition? That’s not very helpful…

furious said:

diddly-squat said:

transition said:

doubt the reality satisfies the definition of endemic (if that means endemic equilibrium) it’s a stretch in my opinion, massive waves of new variants and the infection numbers don’t stabilize

doubt it satisfies the definition of pandemic either, because humans have assisted the wild state, assisted higher numbers, with no limits in many places toward something like herd immunity, and again of definitions herd immunity is I doubt suitable

not sure, needs some new words strung together to describe it maybe

endemic
/ɛnˈdɛmɪk/
adjective
(of a disease) prevalent over a whole country or the world.

pandemic
/panˈdɛmɪk/
noun
an outbreak of a pandemic disease.

They use the word in its own definition? That’s not very helpful…

sure it is, P = NP means N = 1 or P = 0 so clearly there is no pandemic

Good, simple explainer.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-03/herd-immunity-dropped-as-solution-to-covid-pandemic/101123292

Mild respiratory COVID can cause multi-lineage neural cell and myelin dysregulation

https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(22)00713-9

COVID survivors frequently experience lingering neurological symptoms that resemble cancer therapy-related cognitive impairment, a syndrome for which white-matter microglial reactivity and consequent neural dysregulation is central. Here, we explored the neurobiological effects of respiratory SARS-CoV-2 infection and found white-matter-selective microglial reactivity in mice and humans. Following mild respiratory COVID in mice, persistently impaired hippocampal neurogenesis, decreased oligodendrocytes and myelin loss were evident together with elevated CSF cytokines/chemokines including CCL11. Systemic CCL11 administration specifically caused hippocampal microglial reactivity and impaired neurogenesis. Concordantly, humans with lasting cognitive symptoms post-COVID exhibit elevated CCL11 levels. Compared to SARS-CoV-2, mild respiratory influenza in mice caused similar patterns of white matter-selective microglial reactivity, oligodendrocyte loss, impaired neurogenesis and elevated CCL11 at early timepoints, but after influenza only elevated CCL11 and hippocampal pathology persisted. These findings illustrate similar neuropathophysiology after cancer therapy and respiratory SARS-CoV-2 infection which may contribute to cognitive impairment following even mild COVID.

probably irrelevant, we can’t even remember what use brains are

SCIENCE said:

Mild respiratory COVID can cause multi-lineage neural cell and myelin dysregulation

https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(22)00713-9

COVID survivors frequently experience lingering neurological symptoms that resemble cancer therapy-related cognitive impairment, a syndrome for which white-matter microglial reactivity and consequent neural dysregulation is central. Here, we explored the neurobiological effects of respiratory SARS-CoV-2 infection and found white-matter-selective microglial reactivity in mice and humans. Following mild respiratory COVID in mice, persistently impaired hippocampal neurogenesis, decreased oligodendrocytes and myelin loss were evident together with elevated CSF cytokines/chemokines including CCL11. Systemic CCL11 administration specifically caused hippocampal microglial reactivity and impaired neurogenesis. Concordantly, humans with lasting cognitive symptoms post-COVID exhibit elevated CCL11 levels. Compared to SARS-CoV-2, mild respiratory influenza in mice caused similar patterns of white matter-selective microglial reactivity, oligodendrocyte loss, impaired neurogenesis and elevated CCL11 at early timepoints, but after influenza only elevated CCL11 and hippocampal pathology persisted. These findings illustrate similar neuropathophysiology after cancer therapy and respiratory SARS-CoV-2 infection which may contribute to cognitive impairment following even mild COVID.

probably irrelevant, we can’t even remember what use brains are

we may be at the peak, when the momentum of civilization was a love of contagion, any sort of contagion

it could be a trick of covid, that a lot of people are more ill than they feel

of course culture has hoodoo to help you feel less ill than you might be

I am booked in to get my 4th jab next week.

sibeen said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-14/australia-airport-mask-mandate-can-go-health-chiefs-say/101152802

nice to see that “health” advice is based on conformity with “what everyone else everywhere else is doing” rather than using logic and reasoning about what might actually limit spread of infection

The Australian Health Protection Principal Committee (AHPPC) — which comprises all the nation’s state and territory chief health officers — advised on Tuesday that it was no longer necessary to keep forcing travellers and terminal workers to mask up, given face-covering mandates had been dropped in almost all indoor settings.

SCIENCE said:

sibeen said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-14/australia-airport-mask-mandate-can-go-health-chiefs-say/101152802

nice to see that “health” advice is based on conformity with “what everyone else everywhere else is doing” rather than using logic and reasoning about what might actually limit spread of infection

The Australian Health Protection Principal Committee (AHPPC) — which comprises all the nation’s state and territory chief health officers — advised on Tuesday that it was no longer necessary to keep forcing travellers and terminal workers to mask up, given face-covering mandates had been dropped in almost all indoor settings.

Bump, for the morning folk.

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

sibeen said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-14/australia-airport-mask-mandate-can-go-health-chiefs-say/101152802

nice to see that “health” advice is based on conformity with “what everyone else everywhere else is doing” rather than using logic and reasoning about what might actually limit spread of infection

The Australian Health Protection Principal Committee (AHPPC) — which comprises all the nation’s state and territory chief health officers — advised on Tuesday that it was no longer necessary to keep forcing travellers and terminal workers to mask up, given face-covering mandates had been dropped in almost all indoor settings.

Bump, for the morning folk.

Morning folk replying.

Thought I may have had Covid. But got a clear test result yesterday.
Must have just been a bad cold.

mollwollfumble said:

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

nice to see that “health” advice is based on conformity with “what everyone else everywhere else is doing” rather than using logic and reasoning about what might actually limit spread of infection

The Australian Health Protection Principal Committee (AHPPC) — which comprises all the nation’s state and territory chief health officers — advised on Tuesday that it was no longer necessary to keep forcing travellers and terminal workers to mask up, given face-covering mandates had been dropped in almost all indoor settings.

Bump, for the morning folk.

Morning folk replying.

Thought I may have had Covid. But got a clear test result yesterday.
Must have just been a bad cold.

Oh well, that’s good.

Cymek said:

Michael V said:

“Consumer group CHOICE is referring Kmart, Bunnings and The Good Guys to the Office of the Australian Information Commissioner to investigate potential breaches of the Privacy Act over their use of facial recognition technology.

…snip…

CHOICE is also calling on the federal government to create a guide to protect consumers who don’t want their “faceprint” on file.”

———
Gosh!
———

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-15/choice-investigation-major-retailers-using-facial-recognition/101153384

One could stand outside those shops just far enough away to not be in trouble for trespass and sell disguise kits

imagine if wearing a mask could protect not just from deadly and debilitating disease, but from surveillance capitalism as well

SCIENCE said:

Cymek said:

Michael V said:

“Consumer group CHOICE is referring Kmart, Bunnings and The Good Guys to the Office of the Australian Information Commissioner to investigate potential breaches of the Privacy Act over their use of facial recognition technology.

…snip…

CHOICE is also calling on the federal government to create a guide to protect consumers who don’t want their “faceprint” on file.”

———
Gosh!
———

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-15/choice-investigation-major-retailers-using-facial-recognition/101153384

One could stand outside those shops just far enough away to not be in trouble for trespass and sell disguise kits

imagine if wearing a mask could protect not just from deadly and debilitating disease, but from surveillance capitalism as well

True and they’d have a hard time asking you to remove it as you say its for health protection of the community

Spiny Norman said:

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

Cymek said:

One could stand outside those shops just far enough away to not be in trouble for trespass and sell disguise kits

imagine if wearing a mask could protect not just from deadly and debilitating disease, but from surveillance capitalism as well

True and they’d have a hard time asking you to remove it as you say its for health protection of the community

nice

https://www.nsw.gov.au/behavioural-insights-unit

https://behaviouraleconomics.pmc.gov.au/

ahahahahahahaha

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/14/people-who-caught-covid-in-first-wave-get-no-immune-boost-from-omicron
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abq1841

HCW who became infected during the B.1.1.529 wave showed enhanced immunity against earlier variants, but reduced nAb potency and T cell responses against B.1.1.529 itself.

seriously though a straight line would also be valid fit

SCIENCE said:

seriously though a straight line would also be valid fit

https://www.npr.org/2022/06/15/1105188732/monkeypox-new-name-who-world-health

it’s behaving quite differently to it use to, apparently

perhaps like covid behaved differently when it was let go, who knows

maybe a lot of things behave differently when you let whatever go, when whatever goes wild, one thing being licensed to go wild might incline a wildness, proliferation even, like libertarian idealizations

who knows

a beautiful thing, mind, whatever

https://www.smh.com.au/national/australian-researchers-find-parallels-between-alzheimer-s-and-long-covid-brain-fog-20220614-p5atnp.html

The findings of their study, published this week in Nature Communications, suggest there may be distinct parallels between the effects of COVID-19 on the brain and the early stages of neurodegenerative diseases such as Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-022-30932-1.epdf

SCIENCE said:

a beautiful thing, mind, whatever

https://www.smh.com.au/national/australian-researchers-find-parallels-between-alzheimer-s-and-long-covid-brain-fog-20220614-p5atnp.html

The findings of their study, published this week in Nature Communications, suggest there may be distinct parallels between the effects of COVID-19 on the brain and the early stages of neurodegenerative diseases such as Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-022-30932-1.epdf

cheers, reading that latter

it’s cause for suspicion, given what is known about covid (has been known for quite a long time) that there’s been a trajectory of going for herd immunity and hoped for ‘devolution’ (if you will) of the virus to a milder form

but I seriously wonder what’s truly devolving

what the fuck

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-17/how-employers-can-address-risk-of-covid-in-indoor-office-spaces/101147832

While the risk of getting the coronavirus may be significantly lower than it was two years ago, largely thanks to vaccines, we are not completely out of the woods yet.

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idiots also mention masks all of once, to say that they don’t protect, with absolute zero mention of P2~FFP2~N95~KN95~KF94~+ which would actually reduce risk to practically nothing

is there a point or purpose to this steaming pile of shit other than being a pure propaganda piece

here let us give you bad advice so that instead of reducing your risk like you think you’re doing, you guarantee continuation of transmission of dementiavirus, lots of love

SCIENCE said:

what the fuck

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-17/how-employers-can-address-risk-of-covid-in-indoor-office-spaces/101147832

While the risk of getting the coronavirus may be significantly lower than it was two years ago, largely thanks to vaccines, we are not completely out of the woods yet.

¿¡¿¿

idiots also mention masks all of once, to say that they don’t protect, with absolute zero mention of P2~FFP2~N95~KN95~KF94~+ which would actually reduce risk to practically nothing

is there a point or purpose to this steaming pile of shit other than being a pure propaganda piece

here let us give you bad advice so that instead of reducing your risk like you think you’re doing, you guarantee continuation of transmission of dementiavirus, lots of love

i’m reading that, it’s not bad entertainment

by memory as reading, possibly not verbatim…

….air is all around us…

…the nebulousness of indoor air…

chuckle

of course i’d question it is a pandemic, I think it all moved past that when (of where) it became policy to let it go wild, it became something else

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

what the fuck

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-17/how-employers-can-address-risk-of-covid-in-indoor-office-spaces/101147832

While the risk of getting the coronavirus may be significantly lower than it was two years ago, largely thanks to vaccines, we are not completely out of the woods yet.

¿¡¿¿

idiots also mention masks all of once, to say that they don’t protect, with absolute zero mention of P2~FFP2~N95~KN95~KF94~+ which would actually reduce risk to practically nothing

is there a point or purpose to this steaming pile of shit other than being a pure propaganda piece

here let us give you bad advice so that instead of reducing your risk like you think you’re doing, you guarantee continuation of transmission of dementiavirus, lots of love

i’m reading that, it’s not bad entertainment

by memory as reading, possibly not verbatim…

….air is all around us…

…the nebulousness of indoor air…

chuckle

of course i’d question it is a pandemic, I think it all moved past that when (of where) it became policy to let it go wild, it became something else

airborne viral pollution is really what they’re talking about

pollution

transition said:

of course i’d question it is a pandemic, I think it all moved past that when (of where) it became policy to let it go wild, it became something else

It became a tool of policy, under the ‘keep ‘em poor, keep ‘em dumb, keep ‘em sick, they’re easier to manage then’ policy.

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

what the fuck

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-17/how-employers-can-address-risk-of-covid-in-indoor-office-spaces/101147832

While the risk of getting the coronavirus may be significantly lower than it was two years ago, largely thanks to vaccines, we are not completely out of the woods yet.

¿¡¿¿

idiots also mention masks all of once, to say that they don’t protect, with absolute zero mention of P2~FFP2~N95~KN95~KF94~+ which would actually reduce risk to practically nothing

is there a point or purpose to this steaming pile of shit other than being a pure propaganda piece

here let us give you bad advice so that instead of reducing your risk like you think you’re doing, you guarantee continuation of transmission of dementiavirus, lots of love

i’m reading that, it’s not bad entertainment

by memory as reading, possibly not verbatim…

….air is all around us…

…the nebulousness of indoor air…

chuckle

of course i’d question it is a pandemic, I think it all moved past that when (of where) it became policy to let it go wild, it became something else

so as suspected

we’ren’t going to hold it against people for correcting errors so they will get away with it yet again this time

but consider, this is the earlier text

and now the updated

wonder where that line went

Laugh Out Loud

If you or your partner have (or think you might have) monkeypox and you decide to have sex, consider the following to reduce the chance of spreading the virus:

• Have virtual sex with no in-person contact.
• Masturbate together at a distance of at least 6 feet, without touching each other and without touching any rash or sores.
• Consider having sex with your clothes on or covering areas where rash or sores are present, reducing as much skin-to-skin contact as possible.
• Avoid kissing.
• Remember to wash your hands, fetish gear, sex toys and any fabrics (bedding, towels, clothing) after having sex
• Limit your number of partners to avoid opportunities for monkeypox to spread.

legit’

though we acknowledge that some of the above practices may decrease risk

https://www.cdc.gov/poxvirus/monkeypox/sexualhealth/social.html

looks like successful invention of 1 to 3 new influenzas

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2793366

see also

anyway serious question time

do any of you or anyone you know have respiratory medical problems and have benefited similarly from preventing yourthemselves catching respiratory infections over recent years

>wonder where that line went

nicely spotted, I haven’t verified

first part of the proposition is probably an inexactitude, to put it politely

One Moment Please

so we wonder if there’s any currently fucking common, life-limiting disease, that could benefit from just a little preventative work

how many died today

how many usually die in a day

SCIENCE said:

One Moment Please

so we wonder if there’s any currently fucking common, life-limiting disease, that could benefit from just a little preventative work

how many died today

how many usually die in a day

Look, we’ll do absolutely anything to save NSW lives, except wear a mask…

Time To Get Burned Again

it’s the PYRO variant

laugh out loud

dv said:

do they have children

Arsehole Continues To Expel Hot Air

https://www.theage.com.au/business/companies/this-is-an-airport-issue-alan-joyce-defends-qantas-amid-fresh-wave-of-anger-20220617-p5auin.html

fabricated extremist stories lies

SCIENCE said:

fabricated extremist stories lies

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

so we’ve just found out this scanner we’re using overflows its count from 999 to 001 without any 000 in between

Amazing

Persistent circulating SARS-CoV-2 spike is associated with post-acute COVID-19 sequelae

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.06.14.22276401v1

Strikingly, we detect SARS-CoV-2 spike antigen in a majority of PASC patients up to 12 months post-diagnosis, suggesting the presence of an active persistent SARS-CoV-2 viral reservoir.

SCIENCE said:

Persistent circulating SARS-CoV-2 spike is associated with post-acute COVID-19 sequelae

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.06.14.22276401v1

Strikingly, we detect SARS-CoV-2 spike antigen in a majority of PASC patients up to 12 months post-diagnosis, suggesting the presence of an active persistent SARS-CoV-2 viral reservoir.

i’d expect that very likely, bit different but similar to CMV, EBV, complete elimination is difficult for some people, many perhaps with covid

At least one person has been killed in a Shanghai chemical plant fire that shot clouds of smoke across the city.

SCIENCE said:

Time To Get Burned Again

it’s the PYRO variant

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-022-04980-y

BA.2.12.1, BA.4 and BA.5 escape antibodies elicited by Omicron infection

MORONIC isn’t MORONIC

Japan has the lowest COVID death rate in the OECD without mandates. Here’s why

By Kanoko Matsuyama and James Mayger
Updated June 18, 2022 — 5.08pmfirst published at 5.06pm

Tokyo: Japan’s COVID death rate is the lowest among the world’s wealthiest nations, with health experts pointing to extensive vaccination and an already healthy population as the core factors behind its success.

The population has continued to adhere to basic infection control measures, including avoiding crowds and poorly ventilated venues, as other parts of the world grapple with pandemic fatigue. And Japan’s measures have been bolstered by a robust vaccination program and free medical care.

But what truly sets it apart from many places, particularly Asian neighbours like China, is that it has managed to limit deaths without mandates and with few restrictions. The constitution prevents imposing lockdowns backed by police actions, meaning that even during a state of emergency the government puts the onus on businesses and individuals to change their behaviour.

Even during the state of emergency declared around the Tokyo Olympics last year, the onus was on businesses to comply with safety measures, not on police to enforce them.

That soft approach has had remarkable results. Japan’s COVID deaths per capita is 246 per million people, the lowest out of the 38 members of the OECD, according to Our World in Data. It’s all the more significant given Japan has the highest proportion of elderly people – typically some of the most vulnerable to coronavirus – in the world.

New Zealand’s rate, previously the lowest, sits at 257 per million after the country faced its first substantial virus wave upon opening up and lifting curbs.

To be sure, capturing an accurate picture is difficult as reporting standards differ country-by-country. The World Health Organisation has said Japan’s excess deaths declined through 2020 and 2021, while a study published in Lancet in March said excess mortality in the country was six times higher than reported coronavirus fatalities during 2020-2021. There were around 9,000 fewer deaths in 2020 than in 2019, although that rebounded last year, government figures show.

While every nation has its own standard for identifying Covid deaths, Japan’s low rate of fatalities shows its strategy works, said Takao Ohmagari, head of the disease control and prevention centre at the National Center for Global Health and Medicine.

Japan’s measures may hold lessons for how other countries can deal with the current or future pandemics. Here’s what experts say the country got right:

Masks
Japan’s virus-fighting strategy relied on the population complying willingly with social-distancing guidance, particularly when cases were rising. This proved more effective than top-down measures in other places, which in some cases made people resistant and defiant.

“People are using their own judgment to avoid risk and modify their behaviour and this plays an extremely important role,” said Ohmagari.

That includes wearing masks. They were embraced during the early days of the pandemic and the practice remains almost universal even as the government relaxed its recommendation to wear one outdoors. Mask use in Japan has typically held above 90 per cent, a threshold other G7 countries have only occasionally neared, according to Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation data.

The government’s “Three Cs” slogan – which touts avoiding closed spaces, crowded places and close-contact situations – has also reinforced how it wants the population to act.

In addition, buildings to taxis have undertaken efforts to improve ventilation, including the use of carbon-dioxide monitors to show that indoor air is being exchanged.

The relatively light nature of restrictions also meant that Japan didn’t face the extensive disruption to daily life of a harsh lockdown, deployed in countries from Italy to China and Australia at various times. That may have helped people comply with restrictions for longer and saw the nation avert the kind of social unrest seen overseas.

And even as other populations have rushed back to life as normal, Japanese people appear to remain cautious: activities in Tokyo’s nighttime entertainment district is still down almost 40 per cent from 2019, according to one estimate.

Vaccination
Before the pandemic, Japanese people had one of the lowest rates of vaccine confidence globally. But they’re now among the best-protected populations in the G7, swiftly catching up to countries like the US that had started their inoculation programs months earlier and doing it without a mandate.

Experts have pointed to the initial slow roll out of vaccinations and an early shortage as creating a sense of urgency, especially among the elderly, while the act of inoculation wasn’t politicised like it was in the US.

About 93 per cent of Japanese aged 65 and older have had two shots, and 90 per cent have had a booster, according to data from the Prime Minister’s office. That compares with 81 per cent of the total population having had two doses, and 61 per cent receiving a third.

“Thanks to the protection Japanese people gained through vaccination and natural infection, I don’t expect Japan’s hospitalisation or deaths to increase dramatically any time soon,” said Kenji Shibuya, an epidemiologist at the Tokyo Foundation for Policy Research.

Health
A core pillar supporting the low death rate was the underlying good health of Japan’s population. The country has the longest life expectancy in the world, and was one of only six OECD members not to see a reduction in 2020. Just 5 per cent of Japanese people are obese, one of the conditions that increases the risk of severe illness from Covid, versus 36 per cent of the population in the US and 28 per cent in the UK, according to the World Obesity Federation.

Widely adopted actions like mask wearing and handwashing also wiped out other illnesses like influenza, which typically killed more than 10,000 Japanese people per year.

The country’s deaths were almost entirely in over-60s, indicating a solid baseline of health for middle-aged and younger cohorts. That contrasts with a wider distribution of fatalities in the US, where about a quarter of deaths were in people younger than 65, according to government figures.

Contact tracing
Like most of the world, Japan’s health-care system has been strained during surges of infections. But it’s managed to maintain a strong level of contact-tracing during the pandemic that means resources can be sent where they’re needed, for free.

A web of local public health centres trace cases and find positive patients a hospital or hotel room which are free of charge. Those isolating at home are constantly contacted by the health centre staff, who send out nurses and doctors if needed.

“We know that early intervention saves more lives,” said Ohmagari. “Although I feel there’s more we can do, Japan’s system tries to not leave anyone behind, monitors patients thoroughly and intervenes early.”

https://www.theage.com.au/world/asia/japan-has-the-lowest-covid-death-rates-in-the-oecd-without-mandates-here-s-why-20220618-p5auql.html

>The population has continued to adhere to basic infection control measures, including avoiding crowds

And that’s not easy to do in Japan.

Australia third worst in the world for Covid cases in large countries.
This month AND one month ago.

But that means cases worldwide are down, or people have stopped reporting them.

At least Covid deaths are down worldwide.

mollwollfumble said:

Australia third worst in the world for Covid cases in large countries.
This month AND one month ago.

But that means cases worldwide are down, or people have stopped reporting them.

At least Covid deaths are down worldwide.

Covid cases still on the rise in some countries.

mollwollfumble said:

Australia third worst in the world for Covid cases in large countries.
This month AND one month ago.

But that means cases worldwide are down, or people have stopped reporting them.

At least Covid deaths are down worldwide.

apparently lot of australians fully embraced the covid liberalization, covid at any levels, going for herd immunity, happy to add it to the pathosphere

transition said:

apparently lot of australians fully embraced the covid liberalization, covid at any levels, going for herd immunity, happy to add it to the pathosphere

“The pathosphere”, I like it.

Not all Australians, thankfully.

A friend refused to visit our house today because mrs m didn’t wear a mask when she went to the movies yesterday.

mollwollfumble said:

transition said:

apparently lot of australians fully embraced the covid liberalization, covid at any levels, going for herd immunity, happy to add it to the pathosphere

“The pathosphere”, I like it.

Not all Australians, thankfully.

A friend refused to visit our house today because mrs m didn’t wear a mask when she went to the movies yesterday.

reckon lady and I on second dose now of the endothelial plague, probably BA2 first time, guessing be BA4 or 5 or whatever this time

I wouldn’t recommend hurrying to get it

SCIENCE said:

Was this in response to something controversial Melissa Davey said?

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

Was this in response to something controversial Melissa Davey said?

they probably quoted her being incorrect but hey we haven’t suffered snakebite before

ahahahahahahaha

https://abcmedia.akamaized.net/rn/podcast/2022/06/bst_20220621_0735.mp3

ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha








hahahahahahah

SCIENCE said:

ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha








hahahahahahah

sorry forgot include link

https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-1749502/v1

SCIENCE said:

ahahahahahahaha

https://abcmedia.akamaized.net/rn/podcast/2022/06/bst_20220621_0735.mp3

actually this did make us laugh

https://twitter.com/PsionicPsittacc/status/1539128580873269248

SCIENCE said:

actually this did make us laugh

out

loud

lol

“hopefully” will solve it

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

actually this did make us laugh

out

loud

lol

imagine that, remember this

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-15/who-says-new-china-coronavirus-could-spread,-warns-hospitals-wo/11868394

“From the information that we have it is possible that there is limited human-to-human transmission, potentially among families, but it is very clear right now that we have no sustained human-to-human transmission,” Dr van Kerkhove said.

no worries then

oh wait that’s right in their article they said

Sure, the risk to children and young people in the UK is low. Children are routinely vaccinated against the virus so it will have little chance of spreading widely.

just like how pretty much everyone is vaccinated against SARS-CoV-2 yep no worries at all

What Forever Lockdowns Look Like According To The ABS*

*: allegedly; we didn’t obtain a direct link

SCIENCE said:

What Forever Lockdowns Look Like According To The ABS*

*: allegedly; we didn’t obtain a direct link

This page is similar

https://www.abs.gov.au/articles/impact-lockdowns-household-consumption-insights-alternative-data-sources

Household Impacts of COVID-19 Survey
https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/people/people-and-communities/household-impacts-covid-19-survey/latest-release

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

SCIENCE said:

What Forever Lockdowns Look Like According To The ABS*

*: allegedly; we didn’t obtain a direct link

This page is similar

https://www.abs.gov.au/articles/impact-lockdowns-household-consumption-insights-alternative-data-sources

Household Impacts of COVID-19 Survey
https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/people/people-and-communities/household-impacts-covid-19-survey/latest-release

thanks

SCIENCE said:

What Forever Lockdowns Look Like According To The ABS*

*: allegedly; we didn’t obtain a direct link

Link

https://www.abs.gov.au/articles/effects-covid-19-strains-australian-economy

CHINA Disinformation Strikes Again

New study finds children spread COVID-19 easier and that lockdowns worked

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2022-06-children-covid-easier-lockdowns.html

Using high quality COVID-19 transmission data from a northern Chinese city, two University at Albany researchers concluded that young people were most responsible for an increase in direct and secondary infections, and also determined that county-wide lockdowns proved effective in stemming the spread of the virus.

The research study, led by Professor of Sociology Zai Liang, was given rare access to patient profiles and contact tracing data from every case accompanying the outbreak of the virus in Shijiazhuang from January to February in 2021.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11524-022-00639-1

Tau.Neutrino said:

SCIENCE said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

This page is similar

https://www.abs.gov.au/articles/impact-lockdowns-household-consumption-insights-alternative-data-sources

Household Impacts of COVID-19 Survey
https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/people/people-and-communities/household-impacts-covid-19-survey/latest-release

thanks

Link

https://www.abs.gov.au/articles/effects-covid-19-strains-australian-economy

legend

Food giants reap enormous profits during times of crisis
https://phys.org/news/2022-06-food-giants-reap-enormous-profits.html

Food and agribusiness billionaires reportedly raised their collective wealth by 42 percent in the past two years, all while global food prices soared by 33.6 percent in 2021, and are expected to rise by another 23 percent in 2022.

A recent report by Oxfam International has found that 62 new “food billionaires” were created during the pandemic. The report, released ahead of this year’s World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, highlights the record profits made by industry titans.

more…

A glucose meter could soon say whether you have SARS-CoV-2 antibodies
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2022-06-glucose-meter-sars-cov-antibodies.html

Female leadership attributed to fewer COVID-19 deaths
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2022-06-female-leadership-attributed-covid-deaths.html

Tau.Neutrino said:

Female leadership attributed to fewer COVID-19 deaths
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2022-06-female-leadership-attributed-covid-deaths.html

From the link

Countries with female leaders recorded 40% fewer COVID-19 deaths than nations governed by men, according to University of Queensland research.

Associate Professor Kelvin Tan from UQ’s Business School says the statistic is a key finding of a study into the impacts different country characteristics, such as leadership, have had on COVID-19 infection and death rates.

“Countries where women were at the head of government outperformed countries with male leadership, with an average 39.9% fewer confirmed COVID-19 deaths,” Dr. Tan said.

“This figure can be attributed to female leaders taking quick and decisive action, a broader view of the wider impact on society and being more receptive to innovative thinking.

“We found female leaders tend to act promptly and decisively and are more risk-averse towards the loss of human life, which play an essential role in pandemic prevention and outcomes,” he said.

The study analyzed the pandemic response of 91 nations between January and December 2020 and determined that certain country characteristics shaped COVID-19 outcomes.

More…

Nobody Could Have Foreseen Any Of This

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-22/south-australian-hospitals-under-pressure-as-covid-wave-looms/101172838

SCIENCE said:

Nobody Could Have Foreseen Any Of This

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-22/south-australian-hospitals-under-pressure-as-covid-wave-looms/101172838

for future development it’s important to know what happens when you apply pressure to something that is already under pressure… .. . .. .

SCIENCE said:

Nobody Could Have Foreseen Any Of This

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-22/south-australian-hospitals-under-pressure-as-covid-wave-looms/101172838

Unprecedented

Cymek said:

Arts said:

SCIENCE said:

Nobody Could Have Foreseen Any Of This

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-22/south-australian-hospitals-under-pressure-as-covid-wave-looms/101172838

for future development it’s important to know what happens when you apply pressure to something that is already under pressure… .. . .. .

Unprecedented

mild

SCIENCE said:

Cymek said:

Arts said:

for future development it’s important to know what happens when you apply pressure to something that is already under pressure… .. . .. .

Unprecedented

mild

SCIENCE said:

Cymek said:

Arts said:

for future development it’s important to know what happens when you apply pressure to something that is already under pressure… .. . .. .

Unprecedented

mild

I’ve noticed they like that word in news reports, could make it a drinking game

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

Cymek said:

Unprecedented

mild

I’ve noticed they like that word in news reports, could make it a drinking game

I’m glad we weren’t running the ‘unprecedented’ drinking game during the early days of COVID.

None of us would have lived beyond the first week of it.

“New coronavirus variants escape antibodies from vaccination and prior Omicron infection, studies suggest.

“Omicron variants BA.4 and BA.5 appear to escape antibody responses among both people who had previous Covid-19 infection and those who have been fully vaccinated and boosted.

“The levels of neutralizing antibodies that a previous infection or vaccinations elicit are several times lower against the BA.4 and BA.5 variants compared with the original coronavirus.

“We observed 3-fold reductions of neutralizing antibody titers induced by vaccination and infection against BA4 and BA5 compared with BA1 and BA2, which are already substantially lower than the original COVID-19 variants,”

mollwollfumble said:

“New coronavirus variants escape antibodies from vaccination and prior Omicron infection, studies suggest.

“Omicron variants BA.4 and BA.5 appear to escape antibody responses among both people who had previous Covid-19 infection and those who have been fully vaccinated and boosted.

“The levels of neutralizing antibodies that a previous infection or vaccinations elicit are several times lower against the BA.4 and BA.5 variants compared with the original coronavirus.

“We observed 3-fold reductions of neutralizing antibody titers induced by vaccination and infection against BA4 and BA5 compared with BA1 and BA2, which are already substantially lower than the original COVID-19 variants,”

so it’s become a common cold

SCIENCE said:

ahahahahahahaha

https://abcmedia.akamaized.net/rn/podcast/2022/06/bst_20220621_0735.mp3

does dozens and dozens mean hundreds

when news starts using everything you need to know in news feeds etc you’re in trouble, I see it and similar used regularly these days across services, and even if not said explicitly the format does the same

far as understanding goes it’s the equivalent of walking through a supermarket collecting everything you want to eat, and coming out the supermarket with the reinforced notion you understand where food comes from, how it comes to be

basically you can consume the news, believe with no effort of your own that you understand the concepts involved, but really have no personally developed working concept at all about the subject and parts of, it’s really that bad

SCIENCE said:

Nobody Could Have Foreseen Any Of This

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-22/south-australian-hospitals-under-pressure-as-covid-wave-looms/101172838

the derrr of diminished responsibility from the policy of unlimited wild covid embarrassingly turns up in hospitals, which doesn’t make hospitals (and medicine more broadly) friends of the friends of the policy for wild covid

you see the derrr recursion in that above, self-amplifying derrr, the normal at work

captain_spalding said:

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

mild

I’ve noticed they like that word in news reports, could make it a drinking game

I’m glad we weren’t running the ‘unprecedented’ drinking game during the early days of COVID.

None of us would have lived beyond the first week of it.

“on the brink” is my media word du jour.

“on the brink” You can say it. “on the brink”

Please use in a sentence.

After someone is vaccinated with one of the available intramuscular vaccines, you just spray a simple protein, a recombinant spike protein, into the nose. And that converts the systemic immunity into mucosal immunity. The strategy is called “prime and spike.”

The key is that we are taking advantage of the existing immune response by the T cells that people have from previous vaccinations. That means we don’t have to use any adjuvant, or extra molecule, to stimulate an immune response, which is advantageous because it minimizes unwanted side effects.

https://www.quantamagazine.org/an-immunologist-fights-covid-with-tweets-and-a-nasal-spray-20220621/

The slippery slope seems to be getting steeper.

PermeateFree said:

The slippery slope seems to be getting steeper.

Depends which graph you look at I think.

Those breathing machines on TV that concentrate oxygen.

Any good for Covid?

Have they tested them on Covid patients?

Concentrated oxygen breathing systems look similar to continuous positive airway pressure system but each is different.

Concentrated oxygen breathing system
https://brivelle.co.uk/product/easbreath-portable-oxygen-concentrator-1-7l-min

Continuous positive airway pressure system
https://www.mycpap.com.au/products/cpap-packages/airsense-10-auto-package/?sku=airsense10package-RE-LA

Have these devices been tested with Covid ?

KanBreathe – Natural Lung Exerciser & Mucus Removal Device – Made In Australia

New research identifies more than 1,000 genes linked to severe COVID-19

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2022-06-genes-linked-severe-covid-.html

from the link

Researchers from the University of Sheffield and Stanford University in the U.S. have discovered there are specific genetic signals in people who develop severe coronavirus infection.

It is known that age, body mass index and pre-existing health problems account for some of the disparities, but genetics also play a significant role. This pioneering research aimed to address why some people with COVID-19 become seriously ill or die, whilst others have few, if any, symptoms.

more…

Ive noticed my dreams have intensified and I am remembering some lately, which I usually cannot remember due to regular pot use.

Global study of sleep during the pandemic reveals more negative and death-related dreaming for people with insomnia
https://www.monash.edu/medicine/news/latest/2022-articles/global-study-of-sleep-during-the-pandemic-reveals-more-negative-and-death-related-dreaming-for-people-with-insomnia

22 June 2022
A Monash study of more than 2000 people globally found that – during the pandemic – people who developed insomnia experienced more negative, anxious and death-related dreams, when finally asleep.

more on story….

related articles

Nightmares in People with COVID-19: Did Coronavirus Infect Our Dreams?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8800372/

COVID-19 Dreams? Here’s What They Mean
https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/covid-dreams

Is COVID-19 Altering Our Dreams?
https://www.healthline.com/health/covid-dreams

The epigenetic implication in coronavirus infection and therapy
https://clinicalepigeneticsjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13148-020-00946-x

Abstract

Epigenetics is a relatively new field of science that studies the genetic and non-genetic aspects related to heritable phenotypic changes, frequently caused by environmental and metabolic factors. In the host, the epigenetic machinery can regulate gene expression through a series of reversible epigenetic modifications, such as histone methylation and acetylation, DNA/RNA methylation, chromatin remodeling, and non-coding RNAs. The coronavirus disease 19 (COVID-19) is a highly transmittable and pathogenic viral infection. The Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), which emerged in Wuhan, China, and spread worldwide, causes it. COVID-19 severity and consequences largely depend on patient age and health status. In this review, we will summarize and comparatively analyze how viruses regulate the host epigenome. Mainly, we will be focusing on highly pathogenic respiratory RNA virus infections such as coronaviruses. In this context, epigenetic alterations might play an essential role in the onset of coronavirus disease complications. Although many therapeutic approaches are under study, more research is urgently needed to identify effective vaccine or safer chemotherapeutic drugs, including epigenetic drugs, to cope with this viral outbreak and to develop pre- and post-exposure prophylaxis against COVID-19.

more

Related article

An immune epigenetic insight to COVID-19 infection
https://www.futuremedicine.com/doi/10.2217/epi-2020-0349

Abstract

Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus-2 is a positive-sense RNA virus, a causal agent of ongoing COVID-19 pandemic. ACE2R methylation across three CpG sites (cg04013915, cg08559914, cg03536816) determines the host cell’s entry. It regulates ACE2 expression by controlling the SIRT1 and KDM5B activity. Further, it regulates Type I and III IFN response by modulating H3K27me3 and H3K4me3 histone mark. SARS-CoV-2 protein with bromodomain and protein E mimics bromodomain histones and evades from host immune response. The 2′-O MTases mimics the host’s cap1 structure and plays a vital role in immune evasion through Hsp90-mediated epigenetic process to hijack the infected cells. Although the current review highlighted the critical epigenetic events associated with SARS-CoV-2 immune evasion, the detailed mechanism is yet to be elucidated.

more…

A New Perspective of COVID-19 Infection: An Epigenetics Point of View
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8837408/

Epigenetics at the Intersection of COVID-19 Risk and Environmental Chemical Exposures
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40572-022-00353-9

COVID-19 2022 update: transition of the pandemic to the endemic phase
https://humgenomics.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s40246-022-00392-1

I got my 4th dose of Pfizer today.

I’m alright Jack.

COVID-19 (coronavirus): Long-term effects
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-long-term-effects/art-20490351

What is going to be the long term effects of rubbing Covid disinfect on your hands a lot.

party_pants said:

I got my 4th dose of Pfizer today.

I’m alright Jack.

High fives!

Tau.Neutrino said:

COVID-19 (coronavirus): Long-term effects
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-long-term-effects/art-20490351

Symptoms that linger over time include:

• Fatigue
• Shortness of breath or difficulty breathing
• Cough
• Joint pain
• Chest pain
• Memory, concentration or sleep problems
• Muscle pain or headache
• Fast or pounding heartbeat
• Loss of smell or taste
• Depression or anxiety
• Fever
• Dizziness when you stand
• Worsened symptoms after physical or mental activities

and now

• Dreams

Tau.Neutrino said:

What is going to be the long term effects of rubbing Covid disinfect on your hands a lot.

People will wear gloves more often when doing work. There’s nothing like giving your hands a squirt of hand sanistiser to find all the little cuts and scratches you got while doing the gardening or some such.

party_pants said:

I got my 4th dose of Pfizer today.

I’m alright Jack.

Has anyone experienced strange dreams with the Covid19 pandemic in general?

Has anyone experienced strange dreams while being Covid19 positive?

Australia’s first Omicron wave might have been larger than we thought. But what about the current caseload?

Spiny Norman said:

Australia’s first Omicron wave might have been larger than we thought. But what about the current caseload?

Good News ¡

Laugh Out Loud

can’t earn money from quarantining 60000 capita

SCIENCE said:

can’t earn money from quarantining 60000 capita

but it is excellent to Let It Live RIP With COVID-19®™

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jun/24/every-aspect-of-travelling-is-chaos-right-now-is-this-the-new-normal

Spiny Norman said:

Australia’s first Omicron wave might have been larger than we thought. But what about the current caseload?

i’d question if omicron has in any way been an outbreak (certaintly of the SA situation), given covid was officially released into SA, and to release it into SA is to release it among south australians, then add travel between States

there are a few other things in that page also, which don’t invite conceptualization at variance with the way it’s presented

when the covid numbers stopped being captured – apprehended – for the purpose of reducing the numbers – to stop expansion – then the difference between real numbers and measured numbers serves to release the virus, to have it circulate

further i’d add that to implement the release of covid requires that some realities of doing so be rendered more ignorable, legitimately

and i’d question if the program of and for (eventual unlimited) wild covid was made possible by heightened personal responsibility for unlimited wild covid, on the contrary, more diminished responsibility did the job, even largely dissolved into oblivion, obliviated

but who has time really, to study all that minds obliviate, negate, whatever, certainly the news doesn’t much encourage it

SCIENCE said:

Damn pencil pushers

Alarmists / Fascists / Cultists / Fanatics / …

oh wait

https://www.canceraustralia.gov.au/cancer-types/melanoma/statistics

In 2019, there were 1,405 deaths from melanoma of the skin in Australia (941 males and 464 females). In 2021, it is estimated that there will be 1,315 deaths (843 males and 472 females).

that’s 1 month of COVID-19 then, no worries

SCIENCE said:

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

Cymek said:

How can your nation be so blind and zealous that it would prefer carrying a big gun to not having children killed by people with big guns

shrug how can any of them be so blind and zealous that it is preferable to {kill 1% of people and disable 20% of them per round} instead of {having to remember to put on a piece of clothing whenever leaving the house and otherwise avoiding large gatherings for a couple of weeks} oh wait that’s 80% of the world

Human nature

Alarmists / Fascists / Cultists / Fanatics / …

oh wait

https://www.canceraustralia.gov.au/cancer-types/melanoma/statistics

In 2019, there were 1,405 deaths from melanoma of the skin in Australia (941 males and 464 females). In 2021, it is estimated that there will be 1,315 deaths (843 males and 472 females).

that’s 1 month of COVID-19 then, no worries

sorry we meant having to remember to put on a piece of clothing LIKE A HAT whenever leaving the house and otherwise avoiding large gatherings IN DIRECT SUNLIGHT for a couple of decades

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

Cymek said:

Human nature

Alarmists / Fascists / Cultists / Fanatics / …

oh wait

https://www.canceraustralia.gov.au/cancer-types/melanoma/statistics

In 2019, there were 1,405 deaths from melanoma of the skin in Australia (941 males and 464 females). In 2021, it is estimated that there will be 1,315 deaths (843 males and 472 females).

that’s 1 month of COVID-19 then, no worries

sorry we meant having to remember to put on a piece of clothing LIKE A HAT whenever leaving the house and otherwise avoiding large gatherings IN DIRECT SUNLIGHT for a couple of decades

I walk around with an umbrella and a tin foil hat.

oh look another government violating rights freedoms liberties of citizens to move around

https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2022-06-24/varroa-mite-detected-at-newcastle-port/101180446

Beekeepers within 50 kilometres of the port are being ordered not to move hives or equipment in or out of that area.

fuck that, The Economy Must Grow®, just Let It Rip® you idiots

SCIENCE said:

oh look another government violating rights freedoms liberties of citizens to move around

https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2022-06-24/varroa-mite-detected-at-newcastle-port/101180446

Beekeepers within 50 kilometres of the port are being ordered not to move hives or equipment in or out of that area.

fuck that, The Economy Must Grow®, just Let It Rip® you idiots

Containment of the mite seems a sound idea.

Tau.Neutrino said:

SCIENCE said:

oh look another government violating rights freedoms liberties of citizens to move around

https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2022-06-24/varroa-mite-detected-at-newcastle-port/101180446

Beekeepers within 50 kilometres of the port are being ordered not to move hives or equipment in or out of that area.

fuck that, The Economy Must Grow®, just Let It Rip® you idiots

Containment of the mite seems a sound idea.

disagree, 100% of humans who catch it survive

Tau.Neutrino said:

SCIENCE said:

oh look another government violating rights freedoms liberties of citizens to move around

https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2022-06-24/varroa-mite-detected-at-newcastle-port/101180446

Beekeepers within 50 kilometres of the port are being ordered not to move hives or equipment in or out of that area.

fuck that, The Economy Must Grow®, just Let It Rip® you idiots

Containment of the mite seems a sound idea.

Especially as they have devastated bee keeping elsewhere

Cymek said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

SCIENCE said:

oh look another government violating rights freedoms liberties of citizens to move around

https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2022-06-24/varroa-mite-detected-at-newcastle-port/101180446

Beekeepers within 50 kilometres of the port are being ordered not to move hives or equipment in or out of that area.

fuck that, The Economy Must Grow®, just Let It Rip® you idiots

Containment of the mite seems a sound idea.

Especially as they have devastated bee keeping elsewhere

Learn to live with the bee!

Health authorities ramp up COVID-19 booster and flu vaccine push as winter case numbers rise

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-24/health-authorities-plea-covid-19-booster-flu-vaccine-winter/101179742

found in article: “mask”, 1 instance

Health officials give greenlight to scrap masks at airports.

laugh the fuck out loud, the thing that will actually prevent disease better than any SARACAIDS-CoV or influenza vaccine, according to the article is best scrapped

(well, at least at airports, but not like they mention it in any other way)

PermeateFree said:

Cymek said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Containment of the mite seems a sound idea.

Especially as they have devastated bee keeping elsewhere

Learn to live with the bee!

bees sting people so this is better

SCIENCE said:

PermeateFree said:

Cymek said:

Especially as they have devastated bee keeping elsewhere

Learn to live with the bee!

bees sting people so this is better

Learn to live with the mite!

These Romans are crazy.

SCIENCE said:

Health authorities ramp up COVID-19 booster and flu vaccine push as winter case numbers rise

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-24/health-authorities-plea-covid-19-booster-flu-vaccine-winter/101179742

found in article: “mask”, 1 instance

Health officials give greenlight to scrap masks at airports.

laugh the fuck out loud, the thing that will actually prevent disease better than any SARACAIDS-CoV or influenza vaccine, according to the article is best scrapped

(well, at least at airports, but not like they mention it in any other way)

I recall seeing an article about scrapping masks at airports. They said they were no longer needed but went on to recommend wearing masks at airports…

SCIENCE said:

Health authorities ramp up COVID-19 booster and flu vaccine push as winter case numbers rise

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-24/health-authorities-plea-covid-19-booster-flu-vaccine-winter/101179742

found in article: “mask”, 1 instance

Health officials give greenlight to scrap masks at airports.

laugh the fuck out loud, the thing that will actually prevent disease better than any SARACAIDS-CoV or influenza vaccine, according to the article is best scrapped

(well, at least at airports, but not like they mention it in any other way)

sounds like unlimited wild covid is killing and maiming people, and causing disruption, make sure you’re fully vaccinated to relieve yourself of the burdens of conscience

furious said:

SCIENCE said:

Health authorities ramp up COVID-19 booster and flu vaccine push as winter case numbers rise

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-24/health-authorities-plea-covid-19-booster-flu-vaccine-winter/101179742

found in article: “mask”, 1 instance

Health officials give greenlight to scrap masks at airports.

laugh the fuck out loud, the thing that will actually prevent disease better than any SARACAIDS-CoV or influenza vaccine, according to the article is best scrapped

(well, at least at airports, but not like they mention it in any other way)

I recall seeing an article about scrapping masks at airports. They said they were no longer needed but went on to recommend wearing masks at airports…

AHPPC Statement on the Removal of Mask Mandates in Airports

“The AHPPC proposes that mask wearing in airport terminals no longer be mandated”

“the AHPPC continues to strongly recommend continued mask wearing in airport terminals”

furious said:

furious said:

SCIENCE said:

Health authorities ramp up COVID-19 booster and flu vaccine push as winter case numbers rise

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-24/health-authorities-plea-covid-19-booster-flu-vaccine-winter/101179742

found in article: “mask”, 1 instance

Health officials give greenlight to scrap masks at airports.

laugh the fuck out loud, the thing that will actually prevent disease better than any SARACAIDS-CoV or influenza vaccine, according to the article is best scrapped

(well, at least at airports, but not like they mention it in any other way)

I recall seeing an article about scrapping masks at airports. They said they were no longer needed but went on to recommend wearing masks at airports…

AHPPC Statement on the Removal of Mask Mandates in Airports

“The AHPPC proposes that mask wearing in airport terminals no longer be mandated”

“the AHPPC continues to strongly recommend continued mask wearing in airport terminals”

yes, sounds like politics

I have a question. It took a long time before any of the forum people actually caught COVID19 and there have now been several (I think). In real life here at home I think we only know a dozen or so. We don’t know anyone who has died of/with COVID19. A couple of people died at Mum’s nursing home during their latest outbreak, but I don’t think the death rate was any higher than it normally is for the nursing home – it’s what happens there, old infirm people die. Nursing homes are known as God’s Waiting Room.

Do any of you forum people actually know people who have died with this bug?

Xi’s dilemma: The unvaccinated elderly keeping COVID-zero China in lockdowns

By Eryk Bagshaw
June 24, 2022 — 3.21pm

Singapore: In a lab in China’s north-eastern province of Jilin, on the border with North Korea, Chinese scientists at Changsheng Biotechnology were working on a vaccine for diphtheria, whooping cough (pertussis) and tetanus.

It was the summer of 2018, and China’s nascent vaccine industry had been galloping along since it had received World Health Organisation approval almost a decade earlier.

But surging demand had pushed Changsheng to cut corners. The Chinese government had made the combination vaccine – known as a DPT – compulsory for infants. An ex-employee tipped off regulators that the company was using expired vaccines to cut costs and meet demand. More than 250,000 of the vaccines were found not to work.

Worse, an investigation by China’s Food and Drug Administration found it had also been fabricating production and inspection data for the rabies vaccine as far back as 2014. The company’s billionaire chair, Gao Junfung, was arrested along with 13 employees and Changsheng was fined $1.8 billion, but the long-term damage to China’s vaccine confidence was much more significant.

Read more:

https://www.theage.com.au/world/asia/xi-s-dilemma-the-unvaccinated-elderly-keeping-covid-zero-china-in-lockdowns-20220621-p5avgd.html

buffy said:

Do any of you forum people actually know people who have died with this bug?

we have met people who died of SARACAIDS-CoV, and we have met people who died after SARACAIDS-CoV infection likely contributed by it but without ongoing positive tests

so leading questions aside we have met people who died of SARACAIDS-CoV with SARACAIDS-CoV, and we have met people who died of SARACAIDS-CoV without SARACAIDS-CoV

Witty Rejoinder said:

unvaccinated elderly keeping COVID-zero China in lockdowns

https://www.theage.com.au/world/asia/xi-s-dilemma-the-unvaccinated-elderly-keeping-covid-zero-china-in-lockdowns-20220621-p5avgd.html

that’s right blame the unvaccinated elderly

buffy said:

I have a question. It took a long time before any of the forum people actually caught COVID19 and there have now been several (I think). In real life here at home I think we only know a dozen or so. We don’t know anyone who has died of/with COVID19. A couple of people died at Mum’s nursing home during their latest outbreak, but I don’t think the death rate was any higher than it normally is for the nursing home – it’s what happens there, old infirm people die. Nursing homes are known as God’s Waiting Room.

Do any of you forum people actually know people who have died with this bug?

I had an elderly couple in my extended family both die at St Basil’s.

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

I have a question. It took a long time before any of the forum people actually caught COVID19 and there have now been several (I think). In real life here at home I think we only know a dozen or so. We don’t know anyone who has died of/with COVID19. A couple of people died at Mum’s nursing home during their latest outbreak, but I don’t think the death rate was any higher than it normally is for the nursing home – it’s what happens there, old infirm people die. Nursing homes are known as God’s Waiting Room.

Do any of you forum people actually know people who have died with this bug?

I had an elderly couple in my extended family both die at St Basil’s.

Thanks. The nursing home situation in the early days was, let’s say, not ideal.

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

Do any of you forum people actually know people who have died with this bug?

we have met people who died of SARACAIDS-CoV, and we have met people who died after SARACAIDS-CoV infection likely contributed by it but without ongoing positive tests

so leading questions aside we have met people who died of SARACAIDS-CoV with SARACAIDS-CoV, and we have met people who died of SARACAIDS-CoV without SARACAIDS-CoV

I take it you mean that you know people who died of COVID19 infection. You can’t really meet people who are dead.

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

I have a question. It took a long time before any of the forum people actually caught COVID19 and there have now been several (I think). In real life here at home I think we only know a dozen or so. We don’t know anyone who has died of/with COVID19. A couple of people died at Mum’s nursing home during their latest outbreak, but I don’t think the death rate was any higher than it normally is for the nursing home – it’s what happens there, old infirm people die. Nursing homes are known as God’s Waiting Room.

Do any of you forum people actually know people who have died with this bug?

I had an elderly couple in my extended family both die at St Basil’s.

Thanks. The nursing home situation in the early days was, let’s say, not ideal.

disagree, it is ideal to remove economically unproductive units

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

unvaccinated elderly keeping COVID-zero China in lockdowns

https://www.theage.com.au/world/asia/xi-s-dilemma-the-unvaccinated-elderly-keeping-covid-zero-china-in-lockdowns-20220621-p5avgd.html

that’s right blame the unvaccinated elderly

Au contraire I blame the CCP for this. I thought mass mobilisation was their thing.

buffy said:

I have a question. It took a long time before any of the forum people actually caught COVID19 and there have now been several (I think). In real life here at home I think we only know a dozen or so. We don’t know anyone who has died of/with COVID19. A couple of people died at Mum’s nursing home during their latest outbreak, but I don’t think the death rate was any higher than it normally is for the nursing home – it’s what happens there, old infirm people die. Nursing homes are known as God’s Waiting Room.

Do any of you forum people actually know people who have died with this bug?

I generally avoid people that die, i’ve even been avoiding the dead version of me

it didn’t take long for the plague to visit me after it was released in SA, the last day for any safe social gatherings down south was christmas day (on my evaluation), only just, the picture was changing fairly quick at that point

exhibited symptoms of plague ~6th of march, shortly after the only visit we’d done to the city since christmas

transition said:

buffy said:

I have a question. It took a long time before any of the forum people actually caught COVID19 and there have now been several (I think). In real life here at home I think we only know a dozen or so. We don’t know anyone who has died of/with COVID19. A couple of people died at Mum’s nursing home during their latest outbreak, but I don’t think the death rate was any higher than it normally is for the nursing home – it’s what happens there, old infirm people die. Nursing homes are known as God’s Waiting Room.

Do any of you forum people actually know people who have died with this bug?

I generally avoid people that die, i’ve even been avoiding the dead version of me

it didn’t take long for the plague to visit me after it was released in SA, the last day for any safe social gatherings down south was christmas day (on my evaluation), only just, the picture was changing fairly quick at that point

exhibited symptoms of plague ~6th of march, shortly after the only visit we’d done to the city since christmas

Did you test? (I can’t remember if you said you did at the time or not) There have been influenza and colds around too, and without a test you cannot know which virus is the infective one.

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

unvaccinated elderly keeping COVID-zero China in lockdowns

https://www.theage.com.au/world/asia/xi-s-dilemma-the-unvaccinated-elderly-keeping-covid-zero-china-in-lockdowns-20220621-p5avgd.html

that’s right blame the unvaccinated elderly

Au contraire I blame the CCP for this. I thought mass mobilisation was their thing.

imagine if there was a narrative out there that a government actually respected the right of people to self determine including what goes into their bodies through needles

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

that’s right blame the unvaccinated elderly

Au contraire I blame the CCP for this. I thought mass mobilisation was their thing.

imagine if there was a narrative out there that a government actually respected the right of people to self determine including what goes into their bodies through needles

No one’s saying vaccinate people against their will but an effective vaccination program must include an equally effective information campaign. There’s absolutely no reason why China’s vaccination of the elderly should be any less successful than Australia’s for instance.

buffy said:

transition said:

buffy said:

I have a question. It took a long time before any of the forum people actually caught COVID19 and there have now been several (I think). In real life here at home I think we only know a dozen or so. We don’t know anyone who has died of/with COVID19. A couple of people died at Mum’s nursing home during their latest outbreak, but I don’t think the death rate was any higher than it normally is for the nursing home – it’s what happens there, old infirm people die. Nursing homes are known as God’s Waiting Room.

Do any of you forum people actually know people who have died with this bug?

I generally avoid people that die, i’ve even been avoiding the dead version of me

it didn’t take long for the plague to visit me after it was released in SA, the last day for any safe social gatherings down south was christmas day (on my evaluation), only just, the picture was changing fairly quick at that point

exhibited symptoms of plague ~6th of march, shortly after the only visit we’d done to the city since christmas

Did you test? (I can’t remember if you said you did at the time or not) There have been influenza and colds around too, and without a test you cannot know which virus is the infective one.

yeah, I have mental states too, and attribute them to others, no science involved

even the proposition the cat sat on the mat involves assumptions

but yeah covid has recognizable symptoms, it’s the way it was done way back, before RATs etc

transition said:

buffy said:

transition said:

I generally avoid people that die, i’ve even been avoiding the dead version of me

it didn’t take long for the plague to visit me after it was released in SA, the last day for any safe social gatherings down south was christmas day (on my evaluation), only just, the picture was changing fairly quick at that point

exhibited symptoms of plague ~6th of march, shortly after the only visit we’d done to the city since christmas

Did you test? (I can’t remember if you said you did at the time or not) There have been influenza and colds around too, and without a test you cannot know which virus is the infective one.

yeah, I have mental states too, and attribute them to others, no science involved

even the proposition the cat sat on the mat involves assumptions

but yeah covid has recognizable symptoms, it’s the way it was done way back, before RATs etc

Symptoms are pretty much the same as other cold/flu symptoms. You cannot tell without a test.

buffy said:

transition said:

buffy said:

Did you test? (I can’t remember if you said you did at the time or not) There have been influenza and colds around too, and without a test you cannot know which virus is the infective one.

yeah, I have mental states too, and attribute them to others, no science involved

even the proposition the cat sat on the mat involves assumptions

but yeah covid has recognizable symptoms, it’s the way it was done way back, before RATs etc

Symptoms are pretty much the same as other cold/flu symptoms. You cannot tell without a test.

I felt slightly worse than cold’s I have had before but nothing terrible

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Au contraire I blame the CCP for this. I thought mass mobilisation was their thing.

imagine if there was a narrative out there that a government actually respected the right of people to self determine including what goes into their bodies through needles

No one’s saying vaccinate people against their will but an effective vaccination program must include an equally effective information campaign. There’s absolutely no reason why China’s vaccination of the elderly should be any less successful than Australia’s for instance.

really did they have the same access to RNA vaccines did they

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

imagine if there was a narrative out there that a government actually respected the right of people to self determine including what goes into their bodies through needles

No one’s saying vaccinate people against their will but an effective vaccination program must include an equally effective information campaign. There’s absolutely no reason why China’s vaccination of the elderly should be any less successful than Australia’s for instance.

really did they have the same access to RNA vaccines did they

We’re talking about actual needles in arms, not how good they are. That’s a whole other failure.

I have not yet died from COVID. My daughter and husband have tested positive at different times, I have not tested positive and I have been testing. I also have not had any symptoms. My son had a flu but tested negative three times that week.

It’s a mystery that not even the best mathematicians and statisticians or even a different type of statistician can figure out.

Arts said:

I have not yet died from COVID. My daughter and husband have tested positive at different times, I have not tested positive and I have been testing. I also have not had any symptoms. My son had a flu but tested negative three times that week.

It’s a mystery that not even the best mathematicians and statisticians or even a different type of statistician can figure out.

Maybe they didn’t really have it, false positive from rats are not unknown.

buffy said:

I have a question. It took a long time before any of the forum people actually caught COVID19 and there have now been several (I think). In real life here at home I think we only know a dozen or so. We don’t know anyone who has died of/with COVID19. A couple of people died at Mum’s nursing home during their latest outbreak, but I don’t think the death rate was any higher than it normally is for the nursing home – it’s what happens there, old infirm people die. Nursing homes are known as God’s Waiting Room.

Do any of you forum people actually know people who have died with this bug?

Not me, but dv does.

Fires spread like disease…

https://cen.acs.org/environment/link-between-wildfires-infectious-diseases/99/i45

more…

New Term for me
pyroaerobiology: the study of viable microbes aerosolized within wildfire smoke.

(me: what a vague area of study)

bits from the article

A flurry of recent experiments has suggested the opposite, however, with data indicating that wildfire smoke can be a source of living bacteria and fungi.

Kobziar doesn’t exactly know how microbes can survive in smoke plumes, but she has done additional research on the heat tolerance of soil-dwelling microbes to show that some can survive at 800 °C. Wildfire flames burn at temperatures ranging from 300˚ to 1,100 °C.

Off the back of these studies, Kobziar and George Thompson, a professor of clinical medicine at the University of California, Davis, who specializes in fungal infections, have proposed a theory on how wildfire smoke may spread microbes. When forests and plants burn, the soil becomes agitated, churning out fungi and bacteria that would usually reside peacefully within it. “Hot fire creates its own weather, so there are a lot of updrafts, which toss microbes into the air,” Thompson says. In this whirlwind, microbes collide with and stick to ash and smoke particles of varying sizes that can travel long distances. A recent study reported that Australia’s wildfires in 2020 created such a large, heat-fueled vortex that smoke reached an altitude of 35 km (Commun. Earth Environ. 2020, DOI: 10.1038/s43247-020-00022-5). Another paper showed that smoke from the same Australian fires traversed the Pacific Ocean to reach Chile (Atmospheric Chem. Phys. 2020, DOI: 10.5194/acp-20-8003-2020).

“Can microbes stay viable across oceans?” Kobziar asks. “It’s hard to make specific conclusions, but we know they can survive on dust particles for a long time, so it’s reasonable to think it’s possible, but this isn’t something we’ve tested yet.”

Tau.Neutrino said:

Is there a link between wildfires and infectious diseases?

yes, a good mask will prevent SARACAIDS-CoV from getting in, just like it will prevent nasty stuff in bushfire smoke from getting in

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

No one’s saying vaccinate people against their will but an effective vaccination program must include an equally effective information campaign. There’s absolutely no reason why China’s vaccination of the elderly should be any less successful than Australia’s for instance.

really did they have the same access to RNA vaccines did they

We’re talking about actual needles in arms, not how good they are. That’s a whole other failure.

would you take a needle in your arm if we reliably told you it was no good

you’re talking about an effective information campaign, did you actually mean a disinformation campaign or should we trust your favoured CCP

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

really did they have the same access to RNA vaccines did they

We’re talking about actual needles in arms, not how good they are. That’s a whole other failure.

would you take a needle in your arm if we reliably told you it was no good

you’re talking about an effective information campaign, did you actually mean a disinformation campaign or should we trust your favoured CCP

WTF are you goin’ on about

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

We’re talking about actual needles in arms, not how good they are. That’s a whole other failure.

would you take a needle in your arm if we reliably told you it was no good

you’re talking about an effective information campaign, did you actually mean a disinformation campaign or should we trust your favoured CCP

WTF are you goin’ on about

all right politics aside then our question is no matter how good an information campaign why would old people want to take a vaccine that doesn’t really work

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

would you take a needle in your arm if we reliably told you it was no good

you’re talking about an effective information campaign, did you actually mean a disinformation campaign or should we trust your favoured CCP

WTF are you goin’ on about

all right politics aside then our question is no matter how good an information campaign why would old people want to take a vaccine that doesn’t really work

IIRC the Chinese vaccines are better than no vaccine.

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

WTF are you goin’ on about

all right politics aside then our question is no matter how good an information campaign why would old people want to take a vaccine that doesn’t really work

IIRC the Chinese vaccines are better than no vaccine.

so basically worthless compared to masks

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

all right politics aside then our question is no matter how good an information campaign why would old people want to take a vaccine that doesn’t really work

IIRC the Chinese vaccines are better than no vaccine.

so basically worthless compared to masks

Joking aside vaccines are just as much about mitigating the severity of possible infection as preventing infection in the first place like masks.

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

IIRC the Chinese vaccines are better than no vaccine.

so basically worthless compared to masks

Joking aside vaccines are just as much about mitigating the severity of possible infection as preventing infection in the first place like masks.

joking aside neither would be necessary or even maybe worth spending money on if there was zero community transmission oh wait what the fuck yeah we could go for that

What is going to happen to everyone’s hands and bodies with all the disinfectant hand cleansing going on?

Cause over time it soaks into the skin, all those cleaning chemicals, do thy seep in and keep cleaning inside the body? What happens with that?

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

so basically worthless compared to masks

Joking aside vaccines are just as much about mitigating the severity of possible infection as preventing infection in the first place like masks.

joking aside neither would be necessary or even maybe worth spending money on if there was zero community transmission oh wait what the fuck yeah we could go for that

Easy done:

https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/The-Big-Story/Inside-Shanghai-s-COVID-lockdown-nightmare?

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Joking aside vaccines are just as much about mitigating the severity of possible infection as preventing infection in the first place like masks.

joking aside neither would be necessary or even maybe worth spending money on if there was zero community transmission oh wait what the fuck yeah we could go for that

Easy done:

https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/The-Big-Story/Inside-Shanghai-s-COVID-lockdown-nightmare??

Well yes the authorities were right to have apologised for trying to do it the Gutless Binchicken way and waiting to see what would happen before realising oh shit.

But shrug your point is correct comma when you have a world of fucking idiots trying to spread disease continually then yes it is difficult to prevent disease from popping in from time to time and then vaccines and masks are needed.

See also oh wait it was

https://tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/posts/1900376/

already in this thread.

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

joking aside neither would be necessary or even maybe worth spending money on if there was zero community transmission oh wait what the fuck yeah we could go for that

Easy done:

https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/The-Big-Story/Inside-Shanghai-s-COVID-lockdown-nightmare??

Well yes the authorities were right to have apologised for trying to do it the Gutless Binchicken way and waiting to see what would happen before realising oh shit.

But shrug your point is correct comma when you have a world of fucking idiots trying to spread disease continually then yes it is difficult to prevent disease from popping in from time to time and then vaccines and masks are needed.

See also oh wait it was

https://tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/posts/1900376/

already in this thread.

Your ability to make every issue about COVID is pathological.

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Easy done:

https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/The-Big-Story/Inside-Shanghai-s-COVID-lockdown-nightmare??

Well yes the authorities were right to have apologised for trying to do it the Gutless Binchicken way and waiting to see what would happen before realising oh shit.

But shrug your point is correct comma when you have a world of fucking idiots trying to spread disease continually then yes it is difficult to prevent disease from popping in from time to time and then vaccines and masks are needed.

See also oh wait it was

https://tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/posts/1900376/

already in this thread.

Your ability to make every issue about COVID is pathological.

We agree: your inability to see any issue we raise as anything but SARACAIDS-CoV is pathological.

But yes Witty Rejoinder did link to another good point.

Maybe we need to genetically grow masks into peoples faces and they come out only when needed somehow?

Like how snails grow their eyes out of their skin or how octopuses change colour and how other creatures grow limbs back.

I suppose you could carry a mask, but its not the same.

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

Well yes the authorities were right to have apologised for trying to do it the Gutless Binchicken way and waiting to see what would happen before realising oh shit.

But shrug your point is correct comma when you have a world of fucking idiots trying to spread disease continually then yes it is difficult to prevent disease from popping in from time to time and then vaccines and masks are needed.

See also oh wait it was

https://tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/posts/1900376/

already in this thread.

Your ability to make every issue about COVID is pathological.

We agree: your inability to see any issue we raise as anything but SARACAIDS-CoV is pathological.

No your declarations about the world from your parent’s basement in your own private lockdown is the issue here.

from a recently linked article, the beauty of exponential growth on the left

and an echo of Chairman Dan on the right

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Your ability to make every issue about COVID is pathological.

We agree: your inability to see any issue we raise as anything but SARACAIDS-CoV is pathological.

No your declarations about the world from your parent’s basement in your own private lockdown is the issue here.

so you don’t believe that the world is pretty much spherical or are you implying that your ivory tower brilliance is superior

Tau.Neutrino said:

What is going to happen to everyone’s hands and bodies with all the disinfectant hand cleansing going on?

Cause over time it soaks into the skin, all those cleaning chemicals, do thy seep in and keep cleaning inside the body? What happens with that?

uh it’s just ethanol and water, we all know what happens

SCIENCE said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

What is going to happen to everyone’s hands and bodies with all the disinfectant hand cleansing going on?

Cause over time it soaks into the skin, all those cleaning chemicals, do thy seep in and keep cleaning inside the body? What happens with that?

uh it’s just ethanol and water, we all know what happens

Toxic but ok somehow.

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

We agree: your inability to see any issue we raise as anything but SARACAIDS-CoV is pathological.

No your declarations about the world from your parent’s basement in your own private lockdown is the issue here.

so you don’t believe that the world is pretty much spherical or are you implying that your ivory tower brilliance is superior

No you’re the one who is egotistical beyond belief.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Maybe we need to genetically grow masks into peoples faces and they come out only when needed somehow?

Like how snails grow their eyes out of their skin or how octopuses change colour and how other creatures grow limbs back.

I suppose you could carry a mask, but its not the same.

surely the point is that the nose is a generically grown mask for the lungs, and so viruses evolve to get into andor past it

speaking of snails growing eyes here is another brilliant example of a behaviour altering parasite that encourages its host to spread disease around

TRIGGER WARNING

https://www.wired.com/2014/09/absurd-creature-of-the-week-disco-worm/

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

No your declarations about the world from your parent’s basement in your own private lockdown is the issue here.

so you don’t believe that the world is pretty much spherical or are you implying that your ivory tower brilliance is superior

No you’re the one who is egotistical beyond belief.

You’re right again, most sensible people have a hard time believing that voices advocating for their good health are particularly egotistical ones.

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

so you don’t believe that the world is pretty much spherical or are you implying that your ivory tower brilliance is superior

No you’re the one who is egotistical beyond belief.

You’re right again, most sensible people have a hard time believing that voices advocating for their good health are particularly egotistical ones.

If only you had the brains to actually be a medical professional. Perhaps then that unrequited love of yours wouldn’t have been so shot down in flames.

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

No you’re the one who is egotistical beyond belief.

You’re right again, most sensible people have a hard time believing that voices advocating for their good health are particularly egotistical ones.

If only you had the brains to actually be a medical professional. Perhaps then that unrequited love of yours wouldn’t have been so shot down in flames.

Laugh Out Loud who needs brains ¿

https://tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/topics/15931/

Tau.Neutrino said:

SCIENCE said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

What is going to happen to everyone’s hands and bodies with all the disinfectant hand cleansing going on?

Cause over time it soaks into the skin, all those cleaning chemicals, do thy seep in and keep cleaning inside the body? What happens with that?

uh it’s just ethanol and water, we all know what happens

Toxic but ok somehow.

You could always try washing your hands with your bong water. That might help…

furious said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

SCIENCE said:

uh it’s just ethanol and water, we all know what happens

Toxic but ok somehow.

You could always try washing your hands with your bong water. That might help…

Way too toxic, last time I spilled the bong water, the entire block had to evacuate.

Tau.Neutrino said:

furious said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Toxic but ok somehow.

You could always try washing your hands with your bong water. That might help…

Way too toxic, last time I spilled the bong water, the entire block had to evacuate.

I had to wear a mask, it was terrible.

https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/The-Big-Story/Inside-Shanghai-s-COVID-lockdown-nightmare

doesn’t much highlight any of the successes of china’s dynamic covid zero approach, not of what i’ve read so far, perhaps it does down some, i’ll read some more, see if I can still form and hold a remnant of an idea contrary the thrust of it, I could be rendered completely incapable, see how I go

if the china official covid daily infection source numbers are anything to go by (and I maybe didn’t see the most up-to-date numbers), could be for May, whatever if similar they have less daily covid infections than Australia has deaths alone (ignoring covid-induced morbidities for the moment)

I got down quite a way in the page and haven’t read anything good at all yet, I have trouble believing there is nothing good at all happening in china regard covid, which has me losing interest because it is unbelievable

transition said:

https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/The-Big-Story/Inside-Shanghai-s-COVID-lockdown-nightmare

doesn’t much highlight any of the successes of china’s dynamic covid zero approach, not of what i’ve read so far, perhaps it does down some, i’ll read some more, see if I can still form and hold a remnant of an idea contrary the thrust of it, I could be rendered completely incapable, see how I go

if the china official covid daily infection source numbers are anything to go by (and I maybe didn’t see the most up-to-date numbers), could be for May, whatever if similar they have less daily covid infections than Australia has deaths alone (ignoring covid-induced morbidities for the moment)

I got down quite a way in the page and haven’t read anything good at all yet, I have trouble believing there is nothing good at all happening in china regard covid, which has me losing interest because it is unbelievable

>doesn’t much highlight any of the successes of china’s dynamic covid zero approach

ought qualify that, it did as recall of previous efforts before omicron, of delta or whatever

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

We agree: your inability to see any issue we raise as anything but SARACAIDS-CoV is pathological.

No your declarations about the world from your parent’s basement in your own private lockdown is the issue here.

so you don’t believe that the world is pretty much spherical or are you implying that your ivory tower brilliance is superior

a spheroid as recall, and it’s worth remembering that practical life inclines us to conceive of the sun rising in the east, travels across the sky and sets in the west, because it’s potentially disorientation to conceptualize oneself hurtling around in circles, so we’re mostly all still-earthers, the common experience is more like that

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

No your declarations about the world from your parent’s basement in your own private lockdown is the issue here.

so you don’t believe that the world is pretty much spherical or are you implying that your ivory tower brilliance is superior

a spheroid as recall, and it’s worth remembering that practical life inclines us to conceive of the sun rising in the east, travels across the sky and sets in the west, because it’s potentially disorientation to conceptualize oneself hurtling around in circles, so we’re mostly all still-earthers, the common experience is more like that

disorientating, get it right

transition said:

transition said:

https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/The-Big-Story/Inside-Shanghai-s-COVID-lockdown-nightmare

doesn’t much highlight any of the successes of china’s dynamic covid zero approach, not of what i’ve read so far, perhaps it does down some, i’ll read some more, see if I can still form and hold a remnant of an idea contrary the thrust of it, I could be rendered completely incapable, see how I go

if the china official covid daily infection source numbers are anything to go by (and I maybe didn’t see the most up-to-date numbers), could be for May, whatever if similar they have less daily covid infections than Australia has deaths alone (ignoring covid-induced morbidities for the moment)

I got down quite a way in the page and haven’t read anything good at all yet, I have trouble believing there is nothing good at all happening in china regard covid, which has me losing interest because it is unbelievable

>doesn’t much highlight any of the successes of china’s dynamic covid zero approach

ought qualify that, it did as recall of previous efforts before omicron, of delta or whatever

I just had a look at china daily infection numbers, from the 23rd this month back four days previous, probably around similar numbers to australia’s covid deaths, similar range

maybe they are horribly inaccurate numbers, who knows

not that i’m inclined to compare anyway, with a view to imposing australia’s normal on them

Hoping your next bout of COVID might be milder than your first? One study suggests it could be worse

Study estimates COVID vaccines saved nearly 20 million lives last year

New modeling from researchers at Imperial College London has estimated COVID-19 vaccines prevented nearly 20 million deaths worldwide in 2021. The study also concluded millions more lives could have been saved last year if vaccine distribution was more equitably spread around the globe.

more…

Tau.Neutrino said:

Hoping your next bout of COVID might be milder than your first? One study suggests it could be worse

work of the devil I say, the opposite of herd immunity, you get something more like a decline of fitness

much of what’s been the influential notions regard the subject has been like religion, worse possibly

- thou shalt get fully vaccinated and enjoy diminished responsibility

- thou shalt accept unlimited circulating wild covid

- thou shalt accept covid live-virus immune boosters

Tau.Neutrino said:

Study estimates COVID vaccines saved nearly 20 million lives last year

New modeling from researchers at Imperial College London has estimated COVID-19 vaccines prevented nearly 20 million deaths worldwide in 2021. The study also concluded millions more lives could have been saved last year if vaccine distribution was more equitably spread around the globe.

more…

the china infection numbers would have contributed considerably to the positive outcome

transition said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Study estimates COVID vaccines saved nearly 20 million lives last year

New modeling from researchers at Imperial College London has estimated COVID-19 vaccines prevented nearly 20 million deaths worldwide in 2021. The study also concluded millions more lives could have been saved last year if vaccine distribution was more equitably spread around the globe.

more…

the china infection numbers would have contributed considerably to the positive outcome

way out the door

there’s maybe an interesting sentence in that page down a bit, and I don’t doubt the model indicated what it indicated, but it takes you away from the possibility of something near the opposite being likely once different countries “opened up”

the sentence by memory, likely not verbatim, but hopefully get the gist right

…the other four million deaths(of the model) were averted by vaccine-related reductions in transmission…

that hardly brings to mind the possibility of there being vaccine-related increases in transmission, deaths caused by

I mean over-reliance on vaccines alone can and does increase transmission, that would qualify as vaccine-related increase in transmission

has Australia had any vaccine-related increase in transmission since say Omicron first landed here

transition said:

transition said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Study estimates COVID vaccines saved nearly 20 million lives last year

New modeling from researchers at Imperial College London has estimated COVID-19 vaccines prevented nearly 20 million deaths worldwide in 2021. The study also concluded millions more lives could have been saved last year if vaccine distribution was more equitably spread around the globe.

more…

the china infection numbers would have contributed considerably to the positive outcome

way out the door

there’s maybe an interesting sentence in that page down a bit, and I don’t doubt the model indicated what it indicated, but it takes you away from the possibility of something near the opposite being likely once different countries “opened up”

the sentence by memory, likely not verbatim, but hopefully get the gist right

…the other four million deaths(of the model) were averted by vaccine-related reductions in transmission…

that hardly brings to mind the possibility of there being vaccine-related increases in transmission, deaths caused by

I mean over-reliance on vaccines alone can and does increase transmission, that would qualify as vaccine-related increase in transmission

has Australia had any vaccine-related increase in transmission since say Omicron first landed here

we doubt it since the line has been unless you’re about to die anyway you’ll be just fine without another shot

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

You’re right again, most sensible people have a hard time believing that voices advocating for their good health are particularly egotistical ones.

If only you had the brains to actually be a medical professional. Perhaps then that unrequited love of yours wouldn’t have been so shot down in flames.

Laugh Out Loud who needs brains ¿

https://tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/topics/15931/

you know what we’ve found it, turns out Chris here was actually making it all about h’self

Around one quarter of the ADAPT study’s participants were experiencing noticeable cognitive decline a year after getting COVID. And, some sort of cognitive decline was recorded in almost all of the participants, regardless of the severity of the initial infection.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-25/long-covid-clinic-st-vincents-cognitive-decline/101178450

Dr Cysique emphasises that the cognitive decline recorded among most participants in the study is mild and they may not even notice it. “The truth is that unless people put in a very cognitively demanding situation, it’s not that apparent.”

sorry let us paraphrase, unless you actually had brains in the first place and needed to use them, you’d be too stupid to notice anyway

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

If only you had the brains to actually be a medical professional. Perhaps then that unrequited love of yours wouldn’t have been so shot down in flames.

Laugh Out Loud who needs brains ¿

https://tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/topics/15931/

you know what we’ve found it, turns out Chris here was actually making it all about h’self

Around one quarter of the ADAPT study’s participants were experiencing noticeable cognitive decline a year after getting COVID. And, some sort of cognitive decline was recorded in almost all of the participants, regardless of the severity of the initial infection.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-25/long-covid-clinic-st-vincents-cognitive-decline/101178450

Dr Cysique emphasises that the cognitive decline recorded among most participants in the study is mild and they may not even notice it. “The truth is that unless people put in a very cognitively demanding situation, it’s not that apparent.”

sorry let us paraphrase, unless you actually had brains in the first place and needed to use them, you’d be too stupid to notice anyway

artfully writ to assist normalizing unlimited wild covid, takes your mind off what a horrendous failure the pandemic response has been

my opinion^ is all

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

Laugh Out Loud who needs brains ¿

https://tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/topics/15931/

you know what we’ve found it, turns out Chris here was actually making it all about h’self

Around one quarter of the ADAPT study’s participants were experiencing noticeable cognitive decline a year after getting COVID. And, some sort of cognitive decline was recorded in almost all of the participants, regardless of the severity of the initial infection.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-25/long-covid-clinic-st-vincents-cognitive-decline/101178450

Dr Cysique emphasises that the cognitive decline recorded among most participants in the study is mild and they may not even notice it. “The truth is that unless people put in a very cognitively demanding situation, it’s not that apparent.”

sorry let us paraphrase, unless you actually had brains in the first place and needed to use them, you’d be too stupid to notice anyway

artfully writ to assist normalizing unlimited wild covid, takes your mind off what a horrendous failure the pandemic response has been

my opinion^ is all

in fact it’s so bad some would like to drop a covid bomb on china, they have a notion it would improve the world

Long COVID discussion.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-25/long-covid-clinic-st-vincents-cognitive-decline/101178450

so, ¿ good news then

dv said:

New signs in Singapore lifts and public transport.

Seems a little ott.

we mean they could just say “STFU” but what better way to generate infectious respiratory aerosols than to drive vigorous vibrations of a mucous membrane

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

New signs in Singapore lifts and public transport.

Seems a little ott.

we mean they could just say “STFU” but what better way to generate infectious respiratory aerosols than to drive vigorous vibrations of a mucous membrane

not much encouragement to the oblivious covid gregarious, disinclining them from propelling the viral pollution around with their words

more to it though maybe, possibly the fit of masks to the face – the seal integrity – declines in effectiveness when talking, you have air volume/velocity changes accompanied with facial movement (face shape changes), it’s even worse if you cough or sneeze

not much scope for distancing in lifts or public transport, confined spaces i’d call them, they get more confined as filled to capacity, people get closer together, more intense swapping of air

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

New signs in Singapore lifts and public transport.

Seems a little ott.

we mean they could just say “STFU” but what better way to generate infectious respiratory aerosols than to drive vigorous vibrations of a mucous membrane

not much encouragement to the oblivious covid gregarious, disinclining them from propelling the viral pollution around with their words

more to it though maybe, possibly the fit of masks to the face – the seal integrity – declines in effectiveness when talking, you have air volume/velocity changes accompanied with facial movement (face shape changes), it’s even worse if you cough or sneeze

not much scope for distancing in lifts or public transport, confined spaces i’d call them, they get more confined as filled to capacity, people get closer together, more intense swapping of air

there’s always Sign, or script and pictures

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

chuckle

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

:)

What are experts for ¿

To tell you the correct person to defer decision making to obviously ¡

SCIENCE said:

I had look other day at cumulative cases and the chart was flattening off, I thought good they’re getting on top of it, but errr, nah

so, people are still dying from covid in australia, quite a few apparently. why? are these unvaxxed? old? have pre-conditions?