Date: 4/06/2022 14:16:01
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1892051
Subject: Artists Have Been Painting Inside This Spanish Cave for 58,000 Years

Dated to around the time Aborigines arrived in Australia

>>Archaeologists finally understand who decorated the Cueva de Ardales


Archaeologists inside Cueva de Ardales

In 1821, an earthquake rocked southern Spain and, in the process, exposed the entrance to Cueva de Ardales, a previously hidden cave. Inside, more than 1,000 engravings and red paintings dotted its walls, ceilings, ground rocks and other natural features.

Archaeologists have long suspected that the cave’s artwork was very old, but now, they believe they have a much clearer picture of exactly when—and who—created it. Neanderthals and, later, more modern humans left their artistic mark on the cave starting around 58,000 years ago, according to a new paper published this week in the journal PLOS One.

An international team of archaeologists explored Cueva de Ardales from 2011 to 2018, then used radiocarbon and uranium-thorium dating techniques to understand the cave’s history.

They believe Neanderthals first entered the cave during the Middle Paleolithic, or the middle part of the Stone Age, drawing on the walls and maintaining their tools inside. After that, human visits to Cueva de Ardales ebbed and flowed all the way through to the late Neolithic/Chalcolithic period—the latter part of the Stone Age and the Copper Age—about 5,500 years ago,

Based on items archaeologists found within the cave, they also suspect it was used solely to create art and bury the dead—not as a shelter. This suggests that the site was highly symbolic to its visitors.

“What is very exciting is that, as far as we can tell so far, Ardales was not a classic camp site,” Gerd-Christian Weniger, an archaeologist at the University of Cologne and one of the paper’s authors, tells Gizmodo’s Isaac Schultz. “That was not clear before the excavations.”

Though they didn’t find any fireplaces or other evidence to suggest domestic occupation of the cavern, researchers did document a deer tooth, a wildcat bone, pieces of ocher, some tools and the jaw of a 12-year-old boy, among other artifacts. They also found a rope fragment and charcoal dating back to the late 16th or early 17th century, which suggests that someone rappelled into the cave a few hundred years before the 1821 earthquake bared its entrance.


Artists made makeshift lamps out of capped stalagmites.

Natural light could not reach the cave’s innermost depths, so its prehistoric artists had to improvise to see what they were drawing. Researchers found charcoal residue in the caps of stalagmites near some artworks, suggesting the painters created makeshift lamps to illuminate their work area.

After the 19th-century earthquake, curious tourists wandered around inside Cueva de Ardales, located in Málaga, Spain, about 30 miles from the Mediterranean coast. But it took nearly 100 years for researchers to realize the value of its archaeological riches. In 1918, French archaeologist Henri Breuil recognized that the artwork inside the cave was very old, likely dating to the Paleolithic period. Despite this, archaeologists paid little attention to Cueva de Ardales until around 1990, when researchers took a full inventory of all the rock art in the cave.

Though this latest study shines more light on the mysterious cavern, there’s still an entire section that researchers have yet to investigate, per Gizmodo. Hopefully, there’s more art—and more insights into prehistoric humans, their ancestors and their creativity—to come.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/artists-have-been-painting-on-the-walls-of-this-spanish-cave-for-58000-years-180980191/

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Date: 4/06/2022 14:54:48
From: Michael V
ID: 1892087
Subject: re: Artists Have Been Painting Inside This Spanish Cave for 58,000 Years

Interesting, thanks.

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Date: 4/06/2022 14:56:56
From: dv
ID: 1892088
Subject: re: Artists Have Been Painting Inside This Spanish Cave for 58,000 Years

Disappointing that the article didn’t include any images of the art, but I suppose Disney owns it now.

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Date: 5/06/2022 01:06:54
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1892307
Subject: re: Artists Have Been Painting Inside This Spanish Cave for 58,000 Years

> Based on items archaeologists found within the cave, they also suspect it was used solely to create art and bury the dead—not as a shelter. This suggests that the site was highly symbolic to its visitors.

Those darn teens with their graffiti. They create art in all sorts of places that aren’t dwellings.

To test the teen idea, how big are the hand prints in the walls? In most caves throughout Europe, the hand prints of the artists are all too small to be adult.

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Date: 5/06/2022 02:02:41
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1892312
Subject: re: Artists Have Been Painting Inside This Spanish Cave for 58,000 Years

mollwollfumble said:


> Based on items archaeologists found within the cave, they also suspect it was used solely to create art and bury the dead—not as a shelter. This suggests that the site was highly symbolic to its visitors.

Those darn teens with their graffiti. They create art in all sorts of places that aren’t dwellings.

To test the teen idea, how big are the hand prints in the walls? In most caves throughout Europe, the hand prints of the artists are all too small to be adult.

Indigenous people are usually highly respectful of spiritual places and would not even visit them unless with permission, let alone vandalise them that might be a death sentence for them.

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Date: 5/06/2022 02:10:33
From: sibeen
ID: 1892313
Subject: re: Artists Have Been Painting Inside This Spanish Cave for 58,000 Years

PermeateFree said:


mollwollfumble said:

> Based on items archaeologists found within the cave, they also suspect it was used solely to create art and bury the dead—not as a shelter. This suggests that the site was highly symbolic to its visitors.

Those darn teens with their graffiti. They create art in all sorts of places that aren’t dwellings.

To test the teen idea, how big are the hand prints in the walls? In most caves throughout Europe, the hand prints of the artists are all too small to be adult.

Indigenous people are usually highly respectful of spiritual places and would not even visit them unless with permission, let alone vandalise them that might be a death sentence for them.

Yeah, it’s not like anyone has ever broken into a church…ever.

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Date: 5/06/2022 03:30:59
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1892319
Subject: re: Artists Have Been Painting Inside This Spanish Cave for 58,000 Years

sibeen said:


PermeateFree said:

mollwollfumble said:

> Based on items archaeologists found within the cave, they also suspect it was used solely to create art and bury the dead—not as a shelter. This suggests that the site was highly symbolic to its visitors.

Those darn teens with their graffiti. They create art in all sorts of places that aren’t dwellings.

To test the teen idea, how big are the hand prints in the walls? In most caves throughout Europe, the hand prints of the artists are all too small to be adult.

Indigenous people are usually highly respectful of spiritual places and would not even visit them unless with permission, let alone vandalise them that might be a death sentence for them.

Yeah, it’s not like anyone has ever broken into a church…ever.

I don’t think you understand the importance of spiritual matters to tribal indigenous people. They have a different attitude than most of us over such matters.

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Date: 5/06/2022 03:41:22
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1892320
Subject: re: Artists Have Been Painting Inside This Spanish Cave for 58,000 Years

PermeateFree said:


sibeen said:

PermeateFree said:

Indigenous people are usually highly respectful of spiritual places and would not even visit them unless with permission, let alone vandalise them that might be a death sentence for them.

Yeah, it’s not like anyone has ever broken into a church…ever.

I don’t think you understand the importance of spiritual matters to tribal indigenous people. They have a different attitude than most of us over such matters.

“Aboriginal spirituality is defined as at the core of Aboriginal being, their very identity. It gives meaning to all aspects of life including relationships with one another and the environment. All objects are living and share the same soul and spirit as Aboriginals. There is a kinship with the environment. Aboriginal spirituality can be expressed visually, musically and ceremonially.” (Grant, 2004)

https://australianstogether.org.au/discover/indigenous-culture/aboriginal-spirituality

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Date: 5/06/2022 07:21:55
From: roughbarked
ID: 1892323
Subject: re: Artists Have Been Painting Inside This Spanish Cave for 58,000 Years

PermeateFree said:


PermeateFree said:

sibeen said:

Yeah, it’s not like anyone has ever broken into a church…ever.

I don’t think you understand the importance of spiritual matters to tribal indigenous people. They have a different attitude than most of us over such matters.

“Aboriginal spirituality is defined as at the core of Aboriginal being, their very identity. It gives meaning to all aspects of life including relationships with one another and the environment. All objects are living and share the same soul and spirit as Aboriginals. There is a kinship with the environment. Aboriginal spirituality can be expressed visually, musically and ceremonially.” (Grant, 2004)

https://australianstogether.org.au/discover/indigenous-culture/aboriginal-spirituality

I don’t think there’s any way that a Christian church could be compared with any indigenous spirituality.

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