We changed months.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-05/peter-dutton-announces-shadow-ministry/101127454
Ah well, could be worse. Remember when Abbott made himself Minsiter for Women?
dv said:
Ah well, could be worse. Remember when Abbott made himself Minsiter for Women?
More fool him.
FWIW.
Dutton’s Ministry of Shadows:
Opposition Leader – Peter Dutton – Far Right
Deputy Leader of the Opposition, spokeswoman for Industry, Skills and Training, Small and Family Business, and Women – Sussan Ley – Centre Right
Leader of Nationals and Agriculture spokesman – David Littleproud – Nationals
Cabinet Secretary – Marise Payne – Moderate
Finance and Public Service – Jane Hume – Moderate
Attorney-General and Indigenous Australians – Julian Lesser – Centre Right
Resources and the Northern Territory – Susan McDonald – Nationals
Climate Change and Energy – Ted O’Brien – Supposedly no faction?
Water and Emergency Management – Perin Davey – Nationals
Environment, Fisheries and Forestry – Jonathan Duniam – Far Right
Leader of the Opposition in the Senate and Foreign Affairs – Simon Birmingham – Moderate
Trade and Tourism – Kevin Hogan – Nationals
Employment and Workplace Relations – Michaelia Cash – Far Right
Education – Alan Tudge – Far Right
Shadow Treasurer – Angus Taylor – Far Right
Science, the Digital Economy and Government Services – Paul Fletcher – Moderate
Social Services – Michael Sukkar – Far Right
Home Affairs – Karen Andrews – Centre Right
Immigration and Citizenship – Dan Tehan – Far Right
Health and Aged Care – Anne Ruston – Centre Right
Leader of the Nationals in the Senate and Infrastructure, Transport and Regional Development – Bridget McKenzie – Nationals
Communications – Sarah Henderson – Centre Right
Defence – Andrew Hastie – Far Right
Veteran Affairs – Barnaby Joyce – Nationals
Far Right 8
Centre Right 5
Moderate 4
Nationals 6
Unknown 1
In part this is just a reflection of the fact that the Moderates’ numbers were depleted. Here is the break down of the 18 seats the Libs lost.
3 Far Right, 5 Centre Right, 9 Moderate, 1 non-factional
Gladys Liu – Far Right
Nicolle Flint (retired) – Far Right
Christian Porter (retired) – Far Right
King JoFry: Centre Right
Lucy Wicks – Centre Right
Julian Simmonds – Centre Right
Steve Irons – Centre Right
Ben Morton – Centre Right
John Alexander (retired) – Moderate
Trev Evans – Moderate
Tim Wilson – Moderate
Ken Wyatt – Moderate
Katie Allen – Moderate
Ben Sharma – Moderate
Jason Falinski – Moderate
Trent Zimmerman – Moderate
Fiona Martin – Moderate
Celia Hammond – Supposedly no faction
dv said:
Dutton’s Ministry of Shadows:Opposition Leader – Peter Dutton – Far Right
Deputy Leader of the Opposition, spokeswoman for Industry, Skills and Training, Small and Family Business, and Women – Sussan Ley – Centre Right
Leader of Nationals and Agriculture spokesman – David Littleproud – Nationals
Cabinet Secretary – Marise Payne – Moderate
Finance and Public Service – Jane Hume – Moderate
Attorney-General and Indigenous Australians – Julian Lesser – Centre Right
Resources and the Northern Territory – Susan McDonald – Nationals
Climate Change and Energy – Ted O’Brien – Supposedly no faction?
Water and Emergency Management – Perin Davey – Nationals
Environment, Fisheries and Forestry – Jonathan Duniam – Far Right
Leader of the Opposition in the Senate and Foreign Affairs – Simon Birmingham – Moderate
Trade and Tourism – Kevin Hogan – Nationals
Employment and Workplace Relations – Michaelia Cash – Far Right
Education – Alan Tudge – Far Right
Shadow Treasurer – Angus Taylor – Far Right
Science, the Digital Economy and Government Services – Paul Fletcher – Moderate
Social Services – Michael Sukkar – Far Right
Home Affairs – Karen Andrews – Centre Right
Immigration and Citizenship – Dan Tehan – Far Right
Health and Aged Care – Anne Ruston – Centre Right
Leader of the Nationals in the Senate and Infrastructure, Transport and Regional Development – Bridget McKenzie – Nationals
Communications – Sarah Henderson – Centre Right
Defence – Andrew Hastie – Far Right
Veteran Affairs – Barnaby Joyce – Nationals
Far Right 8
Centre Right 5
Moderate 4
Nationals 6
Unknown 1In part this is just a reflection of the fact that the Moderates’ numbers were depleted. Here is the break down of the 18 seats the Libs lost.
3 Far Right, 5 Centre Right, 9 Moderate, 1 non-factional
Gladys Liu – Far Right
Nicolle Flint (retired) – Far Right
Christian Porter (retired) – Far Right
King JoFry: Centre Right
Lucy Wicks – Centre Right
Julian Simmonds – Centre Right
Steve Irons – Centre Right
Ben Morton – Centre Right
John Alexander (retired) – Moderate
Trev Evans – Moderate
Tim Wilson – Moderate
Ken Wyatt – Moderate
Katie Allen – Moderate
Ben Sharma – Moderate
Jason Falinski – Moderate
Trent Zimmerman – Moderate
Fiona Martin – Moderate
Celia Hammond – Supposedly no faction
Additionally, the non-factional former speaker Tony Smith has been replaced as member for Casey by Aaron Violi who appears to be Far Right.
In Bowman, the non-factional Laming has been replaced by Henry Pike: I don’t know about him but he had the backing of Amanda Stoker of the Far Right. In Flinders, it appears an even trade as outgoing Kevin Andrews and incoming Zoe McKenzie are both Centre-Right.
dv said:
No Corruption Happening Around Here
dv said:
hmmmmn. maybe it is, maybe it is just a bad way of wording it.
dv said:
My mum died last year. I was one of the children that inherited a small amount of money.
I would be fine with it being taxed about 30-50% just as long as the knobs that inherit millions of $ do the same.
dv said:
God works in mysterious ways?
We can’t attract staff, please let us offer low pay
(Bowen is the Climate Change minister)
dv said:
We can’t attract staff, please let us offer low pay
What logic!
dv said:
We can’t attract staff, please let us offer low pay
Seems to be the new new economic theory.
The big issue is not wages right now, it is gas. Forcing the big multi-nationals to leave us some of our own gas for domestic use.
Needs some sort of emergency powers act for the government to intervene and block exports until some reasonable domestic threshold is reached. I suspect foreign energy companies are going to be unhappy about it, but they need to be told they can only operate within a social licence or soldiers with bayonets will take away their nice things.
sounds like communism
SCIENCE said:
sounds like communism
It is just another form non-market distribution. Communism is a subset of non-market distribution.
Somebody will be along shortly to draw you a Venn Diagram.
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:
sounds like communism
It is just another form non-market distribution. Communism is a subset of non-market distribution.
Somebody will be along shortly to draw you a Venn Diagram.
No it’s not.
It’s just a higher level of control on the controlled international market.
party_pants said:
The big issue is not wages right now, it is gas. Forcing the big multi-nationals to leave us some of our own gas for domestic use.Needs some sort of emergency powers act for the government to intervene and block exports until some reasonable domestic threshold is reached. I suspect foreign energy companies are going to be unhappy about it, but they need to be told they can only operate within a social licence or soldiers with bayonets will take away their nice things.
I’m unconvinced that this is a good idea, the problem is that that we only really need extra capacity during peak periods and these periods are both hard to predict and hard to manage when then occur.. I do wonder is a strategic LNG stockpile would be a better idea.. something that the govt could slowly build up over time and then draw down on in times of need.
Google ordered to pay John Barilaro $715,000 over ‘vulgar’ YouTube videos
Justice Steven Rares today said the videos of Mr Shanks, better known as FriendlyJordies, constituted a “relentless and vicious campaign against Mr Barilaro”.
He accepted the retired politician was “traumatised” and said Google had failed to take responsibility for its conduct as a publisher.
Justice Rares noted Mr Shanks had called Mr Barilaro “disgusting” names and related him to the Mario brothers from Nintendo’s video games.
“Although Mr Shanks styles himself as a comedian, his repeated use of such terms was not comedic,” the judge said.
“It was nothing less than racist hate speech.”
Google initially defended case but progressively abandoned all of its defences.
I don’t think there’s an emergency of that scale. Gas prices are high but manageable: it’s not a threat to national security and it’s not going to make a lot of people die. It’s appropriate for people on low incomes to receive extra support with their gas bills but we don’t need to be renegging on contracts just yet.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-06/nsw-barilaro-v-google-defamation-judgment/101128344
Google ordered to pay John Barilaro $715,000 over ‘vulgar’ YouTube videos
Mr Barilaro sued Google in the Federal Court over its failure to remove the sketch videos, which were made by comedian Jordan Shanks and published in September and October 2020.
With Labor leader Minns now polling as the preferred Premier in NSW, we face the prospect of wall-to-wall red on the mainland early next year. I suppose we can only hope that Labor fed and Labor states can cooperate to end the hospitals issue.
A homeowner in Canterbury has been ordered to remove the solar panels on his roof because of heritage restrictions.
Richard Barnes installed photovoltaic panels, which convert solar energy into electricity, on the rooftop of his home in Melbourne’s east last year but received a notice from the City of Boroondara to remove them because his home is within a heritage overlay.
He challenged the decision in the Victorian Civil and Administrative Tribunal but was ordered to remove the panels by June 26.
“We just think it’s crazy given the bigger picture,” Barnes said. “Somehow these anachronistic heritage guidelines defeated combating the climate crisis. I think it’s ridiculous.”
Barnes said there was nothing more that could be done to change VCAT’s decision, but he wanted to ensure that other homeowners did not face the same battle.
“It really brings it all to a head,” he said. “Are these things ugly? And do we still, in 2022, say ‘No, we don’t like them’? Or do we say ‘Well, actually there’s a climate crisis, and let’s forget all that stuff now’.”
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/it-s-ridiculous-heritage-homeowner-ordered-to-remove-solar-panels-20220531-p5aq0t.html
dv said:
A homeowner in Canterbury has been ordered to remove the solar panels on his roof because of heritage restrictions.Richard Barnes installed photovoltaic panels, which convert solar energy into electricity, on the rooftop of his home in Melbourne’s east last year but received a notice from the City of Boroondara to remove them because his home is within a heritage overlay.
He challenged the decision in the Victorian Civil and Administrative Tribunal but was ordered to remove the panels by June 26.
“We just think it’s crazy given the bigger picture,” Barnes said. “Somehow these anachronistic heritage guidelines defeated combating the climate crisis. I think it’s ridiculous.”
Barnes said there was nothing more that could be done to change VCAT’s decision, but he wanted to ensure that other homeowners did not face the same battle.
“It really brings it all to a head,” he said. “Are these things ugly? And do we still, in 2022, say ‘No, we don’t like them’? Or do we say ‘Well, actually there’s a climate crisis, and let’s forget all that stuff now’.”
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/it-s-ridiculous-heritage-homeowner-ordered-to-remove-solar-panels-20220531-p5aq0t.html
Bloody!
That’s so stupid and really – petty.
Michael V said:
dv said:
A homeowner in Canterbury has been ordered to remove the solar panels on his roof because of heritage restrictions.Richard Barnes installed photovoltaic panels, which convert solar energy into electricity, on the rooftop of his home in Melbourne’s east last year but received a notice from the City of Boroondara to remove them because his home is within a heritage overlay.
He challenged the decision in the Victorian Civil and Administrative Tribunal but was ordered to remove the panels by June 26.
“We just think it’s crazy given the bigger picture,” Barnes said. “Somehow these anachronistic heritage guidelines defeated combating the climate crisis. I think it’s ridiculous.”
Barnes said there was nothing more that could be done to change VCAT’s decision, but he wanted to ensure that other homeowners did not face the same battle.
“It really brings it all to a head,” he said. “Are these things ugly? And do we still, in 2022, say ‘No, we don’t like them’? Or do we say ‘Well, actually there’s a climate crisis, and let’s forget all that stuff now’.”
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/it-s-ridiculous-heritage-homeowner-ordered-to-remove-solar-panels-20220531-p5aq0t.html
Bloody!
That’s so stupid and really – petty.
Kind of looks like a pretty standard cottage … it’s not the Parthenon or something.
dv said:
A homeowner in Canterbury has been ordered to remove the solar panels on his roof because of heritage restrictions.Richard Barnes installed photovoltaic panels, which convert solar energy into electricity, on the rooftop of his home in Melbourne’s east last year but received a notice from the City of Boroondara to remove them because his home is within a heritage overlay.
He challenged the decision in the Victorian Civil and Administrative Tribunal but was ordered to remove the panels by June 26.
“We just think it’s crazy given the bigger picture,” Barnes said. “Somehow these anachronistic heritage guidelines defeated combating the climate crisis. I think it’s ridiculous.”
Barnes said there was nothing more that could be done to change VCAT’s decision, but he wanted to ensure that other homeowners did not face the same battle.
“It really brings it all to a head,” he said. “Are these things ugly? And do we still, in 2022, say ‘No, we don’t like them’? Or do we say ‘Well, actually there’s a climate crisis, and let’s forget all that stuff now’.”
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/it-s-ridiculous-heritage-homeowner-ordered-to-remove-solar-panels-20220531-p5aq0t.html
I have a friend whose rack ofsolar panels in the front yard were there for years before the council ordered their removal. He’s remote enough that no one can see his house ceptin’ those driving past to get somewhere even more remote.
dv said:
A homeowner in Canterbury has been ordered to remove the solar panels on his roof because of heritage restrictions.Richard Barnes installed photovoltaic panels, which convert solar energy into electricity, on the rooftop of his home in Melbourne’s east last year but received a notice from the City of Boroondara to remove them because his home is within a heritage overlay.
He challenged the decision in the Victorian Civil and Administrative Tribunal but was ordered to remove the panels by June 26.
“We just think it’s crazy given the bigger picture,” Barnes said. “Somehow these anachronistic heritage guidelines defeated combating the climate crisis. I think it’s ridiculous.”
Barnes said there was nothing more that could be done to change VCAT’s decision, but he wanted to ensure that other homeowners did not face the same battle.
“It really brings it all to a head,” he said. “Are these things ugly? And do we still, in 2022, say ‘No, we don’t like them’? Or do we say ‘Well, actually there’s a climate crisis, and let’s forget all that stuff now’.”
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/it-s-ridiculous-heritage-homeowner-ordered-to-remove-solar-panels-20220531-p5aq0t.html
I have never supported heritage listing or heritage zoning for buildings. This is just another one to add to the list.
dv said:
A homeowner in Canterbury has been ordered to remove the solar panels on his roof because of heritage restrictions.Richard Barnes installed photovoltaic panels, which convert solar energy into electricity, on the rooftop of his home in Melbourne’s east last year but received a notice from the City of Boroondara to remove them because his home is within a heritage overlay.
He challenged the decision in the Victorian Civil and Administrative Tribunal but was ordered to remove the panels by June 26.
“We just think it’s crazy given the bigger picture,” Barnes said. “Somehow these anachronistic heritage guidelines defeated combating the climate crisis. I think it’s ridiculous.”
Barnes said there was nothing more that could be done to change VCAT’s decision, but he wanted to ensure that other homeowners did not face the same battle.
“It really brings it all to a head,” he said. “Are these things ugly? And do we still, in 2022, say ‘No, we don’t like them’? Or do we say ‘Well, actually there’s a climate crisis, and let’s forget all that stuff now’.”
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/it-s-ridiculous-heritage-homeowner-ordered-to-remove-solar-panels-20220531-p5aq0t.html
Seems fair, a solar panel on the roof is not going make a jot of difference to the climate crisis.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
A homeowner in Canterbury has been ordered to remove the solar panels on his roof because of heritage restrictions.Richard Barnes installed photovoltaic panels, which convert solar energy into electricity, on the rooftop of his home in Melbourne’s east last year but received a notice from the City of Boroondara to remove them because his home is within a heritage overlay.
He challenged the decision in the Victorian Civil and Administrative Tribunal but was ordered to remove the panels by June 26.
“We just think it’s crazy given the bigger picture,” Barnes said. “Somehow these anachronistic heritage guidelines defeated combating the climate crisis. I think it’s ridiculous.”
Barnes said there was nothing more that could be done to change VCAT’s decision, but he wanted to ensure that other homeowners did not face the same battle.
“It really brings it all to a head,” he said. “Are these things ugly? And do we still, in 2022, say ‘No, we don’t like them’? Or do we say ‘Well, actually there’s a climate crisis, and let’s forget all that stuff now’.”
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/it-s-ridiculous-heritage-homeowner-ordered-to-remove-solar-panels-20220531-p5aq0t.html
I have a friend whose rack ofsolar panels in the front yard were there for years before the council ordered their removal. He’s remote enough that no one can see his house ceptin’ those driving past to get somewhere even more remote.
I wonder whether the Federal government can ban such bans.
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
A homeowner in Canterbury has been ordered to remove the solar panels on his roof because of heritage restrictions.Richard Barnes installed photovoltaic panels, which convert solar energy into electricity, on the rooftop of his home in Melbourne’s east last year but received a notice from the City of Boroondara to remove them because his home is within a heritage overlay.
He challenged the decision in the Victorian Civil and Administrative Tribunal but was ordered to remove the panels by June 26.
“We just think it’s crazy given the bigger picture,” Barnes said. “Somehow these anachronistic heritage guidelines defeated combating the climate crisis. I think it’s ridiculous.”
Barnes said there was nothing more that could be done to change VCAT’s decision, but he wanted to ensure that other homeowners did not face the same battle.
“It really brings it all to a head,” he said. “Are these things ugly? And do we still, in 2022, say ‘No, we don’t like them’? Or do we say ‘Well, actually there’s a climate crisis, and let’s forget all that stuff now’.”
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/it-s-ridiculous-heritage-homeowner-ordered-to-remove-solar-panels-20220531-p5aq0t.html
I have a friend whose rack ofsolar panels in the front yard were there for years before the council ordered their removal. He’s remote enough that no one can see his house ceptin’ those driving past to get somewhere even more remote.
I wonder whether the Federal government can ban such bans.
Under what heading of powers in the Constitution could they do that?
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
A homeowner in Canterbury has been ordered to remove the solar panels on his roof because of heritage restrictions.Richard Barnes installed photovoltaic panels, which convert solar energy into electricity, on the rooftop of his home in Melbourne’s east last year but received a notice from the City of Boroondara to remove them because his home is within a heritage overlay.
He challenged the decision in the Victorian Civil and Administrative Tribunal but was ordered to remove the panels by June 26.
“We just think it’s crazy given the bigger picture,” Barnes said. “Somehow these anachronistic heritage guidelines defeated combating the climate crisis. I think it’s ridiculous.”
Barnes said there was nothing more that could be done to change VCAT’s decision, but he wanted to ensure that other homeowners did not face the same battle.
“It really brings it all to a head,” he said. “Are these things ugly? And do we still, in 2022, say ‘No, we don’t like them’? Or do we say ‘Well, actually there’s a climate crisis, and let’s forget all that stuff now’.”
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/it-s-ridiculous-heritage-homeowner-ordered-to-remove-solar-panels-20220531-p5aq0t.html
Seems fair, a solar panel on the roof is not going make a jot of difference to the climate crisis.
yep, that’s why I still throw my rubbish out of the car window. Not going to make much difference to the amount of roadside litter if I don’t.
party_pants said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:I have a friend whose rack ofsolar panels in the front yard were there for years before the council ordered their removal. He’s remote enough that no one can see his house ceptin’ those driving past to get somewhere even more remote.
I wonder whether the Federal government can ban such bans.
Under what heading of powers in the Constitution could they do that?
What am I, a lawyer?
dv said:
party_pants said:
dv said:I wonder whether the Federal government can ban such bans.
Under what heading of powers in the Constitution could they do that?
What am I, a lawyer?
youre far more interesting than a constiitutional lawyer imo.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
party_pants said:Under what heading of powers in the Constitution could they do that?
What am I, a lawyer?
youre far more interesting than a constiitutional lawyer imo.
You’ll have me blushing.
A bit of a google suggests that both the Fed and States have full authority to override local government on anything, and that local government has no protection at all in the Constitution.
We could put a wind farm on top of Uluru I suppose.
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:What am I, a lawyer?
youre far more interesting than a constiitutional lawyer imo.
You’ll have me blushing.
A bit of a google suggests that both the Fed and States have full authority to override local government on anything, and that local government has no protection at all in the Constitution.
My understanding is that local government is just a branch of state government, with delegated powers and limited autonomy. So state governments can abolish or reform or override local governments as they see fit. The Federal government of course can override state laws with uniform national laws, so long as it is an area where the Federal government has power to make laws.
Peak Warming Man said:
We could put a wind farm on top of Uluru I suppose.
The local Aborigines could then recharge their mobile phones.
Having worked for a council, i can say that, in 99 out of 100 of these things, the council doesn’t give a shit as long as it’s not a threat to anyone’s safety.
And 99 times out of 100, the council is prodded into taking the actions for which it may be empowered by complaints from the person’s good neighbours around and about.
Sometimes a lot of those neighbours, sometimes just a noisy few, but mostly councils don’t go looking for fights off their own bat.
captain_spalding said:
Having worked for a council, i can say that, in 99 out of 100 of these things, the council doesn’t give a shit as long as it’s not a threat to anyone’s safety.And 99 times out of 100, the council is prodded into taking the actions for which it may be empowered by complaints from the person’s good neighbours around and about.
Sometimes a lot of those neighbours, sometimes just a noisy few, but mostly councils don’t go looking for fights off their own bat.
I mean yeah but why? “Council, there’s a house around here, just a bog standard cottage, and about 28% of one side of its roof is obscured by photovoltaics. Get on to this immediately. What if my kid saw that? “
captain_spalding said:
Having worked for a council, i can say that, in 99 out of 100 of these things, the council doesn’t give a shit as long as it’s not a threat to anyone’s safety.And 99 times out of 100, the council is prodded into taking the actions for which it may be empowered by complaints from the person’s good neighbours around and about.
Sometimes a lot of those neighbours, sometimes just a noisy few, but mostly councils don’t go looking for fights off their own bat.
for decades that was true around here. no longer.
also I know some people who have taken the council to court and won. so they arent always good at knowing their shit.
dv said:
captain_spalding said:
Having worked for a council, i can say that, in 99 out of 100 of these things, the council doesn’t give a shit as long as it’s not a threat to anyone’s safety.And 99 times out of 100, the council is prodded into taking the actions for which it may be empowered by complaints from the person’s good neighbours around and about.
Sometimes a lot of those neighbours, sometimes just a noisy few, but mostly councils don’t go looking for fights off their own bat.
I mean yeah but why? “Council, there’s a house around here, just a bog standard cottage, and about 28% of one side of its roof is obscured by photovoltaics. Get on to this immediately. What if my kid saw that? “
Why do people complain?
Maybe it offends their aesthetic sense. Maybe they’re jealous because they don’t have the same. Maybe they’re just bastards with nothing else to do.
Why does a council then take action?
Because, having been made aware of some breach of rules or laws which they’re obliged to ‘enforce’, then they have a legal obligation to do just that. They’re not allowedto ignore it.
sarahs mum said:
captain_spalding said:
Having worked for a council, i can say that, in 99 out of 100 of these things, the council doesn’t give a shit as long as it’s not a threat to anyone’s safety.And 99 times out of 100, the council is prodded into taking the actions for which it may be empowered by complaints from the person’s good neighbours around and about.
Sometimes a lot of those neighbours, sometimes just a noisy few, but mostly councils don’t go looking for fights off their own bat.
for decades that was true around here. no longer.
also I know some people who have taken the council to court and won. so they arent always good at knowing their shit.
Sometimes, councils don’t want to win.
They may well agree that the rules, regs, laws, are outdated/absurd/irrelevant, and they’re more quickly and effectively struck down by a single court case than by lots of wrangling and posturing by and between local and state politicians.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
A homeowner in Canterbury has been ordered to remove the solar panels on his roof because of heritage restrictions.Richard Barnes installed photovoltaic panels, which convert solar energy into electricity, on the rooftop of his home in Melbourne’s east last year but received a notice from the City of Boroondara to remove them because his home is within a heritage overlay.
He challenged the decision in the Victorian Civil and Administrative Tribunal but was ordered to remove the panels by June 26.
“We just think it’s crazy given the bigger picture,” Barnes said. “Somehow these anachronistic heritage guidelines defeated combating the climate crisis. I think it’s ridiculous.”
Barnes said there was nothing more that could be done to change VCAT’s decision, but he wanted to ensure that other homeowners did not face the same battle.
“It really brings it all to a head,” he said. “Are these things ugly? And do we still, in 2022, say ‘No, we don’t like them’? Or do we say ‘Well, actually there’s a climate crisis, and let’s forget all that stuff now’.”
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/it-s-ridiculous-heritage-homeowner-ordered-to-remove-solar-panels-20220531-p5aq0t.html
I have a friend whose rack ofsolar panels in the front yard were there for years before the council ordered their removal. He’s remote enough that no one can see his house ceptin’ those driving past to get somewhere even more remote.
what are their solutions to global warming washing away 1000000 times more heritage
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
captain_spalding said:
Having worked for a council, i can say that, in 99 out of 100 of these things, the council doesn’t give a shit as long as it’s not a threat to anyone’s safety.And 99 times out of 100, the council is prodded into taking the actions for which it may be empowered by complaints from the person’s good neighbours around and about.
Sometimes a lot of those neighbours, sometimes just a noisy few, but mostly councils don’t go looking for fights off their own bat.
I mean yeah but why? “Council, there’s a house around here, just a bog standard cottage, and about 28% of one side of its roof is obscured by photovoltaics. Get on to this immediately. What if my kid saw that? “
Why do people complain?
Maybe it offends their aesthetic sense. Maybe they’re jealous because they don’t have the same. Maybe they’re just bastards with nothing else to do.
Why does a council then take action?
Because, having been made aware of some breach of rules or laws which they’re obliged to ‘enforce’, then they have a legal obligation to do just that. They’re not allowedto ignore it.
Why can’t they just procrastinate for years like they do on other things?
buffy said:
Why can’t they just procrastinate for years like they do on other things?
Because the kind of people who complain about crap like that are the kind who are well versed in being persistent and noisy pains in the arse.
Katy Gallagher says this is the worst inherited set of budget books iin history.
Verict?
Senator Gallagher’s claim is wrong.
On two key economic indicators, debt and deficit, previous incoming governments have inherited worse “budget books”.
The only fair way to make historical comparisons is to take into account the size of the economy and measure the indicators as a proportion of GDP.
On this basis, gross debt levels were historically much higher for previous incoming administrations than the figure faced by the new Labor government.
Similarly, the deficit as a percentage of GDP is not the worst on record.
> So things are actually looking up then?
roughbarked said:
Katy Gallagher says this is the worst inherited set of budget books iin history.Verict?
Senator Gallagher’s claim is wrong.On two key economic indicators, debt and deficit, previous incoming governments have inherited worse “budget books”.
The only fair way to make historical comparisons is to take into account the size of the economy and measure the indicators as a proportion of GDP.
On this basis, gross debt levels were historically much higher for previous incoming administrations than the figure faced by the new Labor government.
Similarly, the deficit as a percentage of GDP is not the worst on record.
> So things are actually looking up then?
Where did that come from?
Does it give the actual figures?
roughbarked said:
Katy Gallagher says this is the worst inherited set of budget books iin history.Verict?
Senator Gallagher’s claim is wrong.On two key economic indicators, debt and deficit, previous incoming governments have inherited worse “budget books”.
The only fair way to make historical comparisons is to take into account the size of the economy and measure the indicators as a proportion of GDP.
On this basis, gross debt levels were historically much higher for previous incoming administrations than the figure faced by the new Labor government.
Similarly, the deficit as a percentage of GDP is not the worst on record.
> So things are actually looking up then?
what about population growth, do they take population growth into account
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
Katy Gallagher says this is the worst inherited set of budget books iin history.Verict?
Senator Gallagher’s claim is wrong.On two key economic indicators, debt and deficit, previous incoming governments have inherited worse “budget books”.
The only fair way to make historical comparisons is to take into account the size of the economy and measure the indicators as a proportion of GDP.
On this basis, gross debt levels were historically much higher for previous incoming administrations than the figure faced by the new Labor government.
Similarly, the deficit as a percentage of GDP is not the worst on record.
> So things are actually looking up then?
Where did that come from?
Does it give the actual figures?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-07/fact-check-katy-gallagher-worst-set-of-books-debt-deficit/101129490
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
Katy Gallagher says this is the worst inherited set of budget books iin history.Verict?
Senator Gallagher’s claim is wrong.On two key economic indicators, debt and deficit, previous incoming governments have inherited worse “budget books”.
The only fair way to make historical comparisons is to take into account the size of the economy and measure the indicators as a proportion of GDP.
On this basis, gross debt levels were historically much higher for previous incoming administrations than the figure faced by the new Labor government.
Similarly, the deficit as a percentage of GDP is not the worst on record.
> So things are actually looking up then?
Where did that come from?
Does it give the actual figures?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-07/fact-check-katy-gallagher-worst-set-of-books-debt-deficit/101129490
Thanks.
So rather than saying it is flat out false, the statement should be modified to say that debt is the highest since the recovery from WW2 and following baby boom.
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
Katy Gallagher says this is the worst inherited set of budget books iin history.Verict?
Senator Gallagher’s claim is wrong.On two key economic indicators, debt and deficit, previous incoming governments have inherited worse “budget books”.
The only fair way to make historical comparisons is to take into account the size of the economy and measure the indicators as a proportion of GDP.
On this basis, gross debt levels were historically much higher for previous incoming administrations than the figure faced by the new Labor government.
Similarly, the deficit as a percentage of GDP is not the worst on record.
> So things are actually looking up then?
Where did that come from?
Does it give the actual figures?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-07/fact-check-katy-gallagher-worst-set-of-books-debt-deficit/101129490
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Where did that come from?
Does it give the actual figures?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-07/fact-check-katy-gallagher-worst-set-of-books-debt-deficit/101129490
Thanks.
So rather than saying it is flat out false, the statement should be modified to say that debt is the highest since the recovery from WW2 and following baby boom.
Yes.
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Where did that come from?
Does it give the actual figures?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-07/fact-check-katy-gallagher-worst-set-of-books-debt-deficit/101129490
Thanks.
So rather than saying it is flat out false, the statement should be modified to say that debt is the highest since the recovery from WW2 and following baby boom.
to be fair to Corruption, even dodgy payouts aside, there was a pandemic thrown in there somewhere
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-07/fact-check-katy-gallagher-worst-set-of-books-debt-deficit/101129490
Thanks.
So rather than saying it is flat out false, the statement should be modified to say that debt is the highest since the recovery from WW2 and following baby boom.
to be fair to Corruption, even dodgy payouts aside, there was a pandemic thrown in there somewhere
But to be fair to the lefty economy mis-managers, things weren’t that great even before the pandemic.
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-07/fact-check-katy-gallagher-worst-set-of-books-debt-deficit/101129490
Thanks.
So rather than saying it is flat out false, the statement should be modified to say that debt is the highest since the recovery from WW2 and following baby boom.
to be fair to Corruption, even dodgy payouts aside, there was a pandemic thrown in there somewhere
Either side of politics would have spent just as freely in order to contain the pandemic somewhat.
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Thanks.
So rather than saying it is flat out false, the statement should be modified to say that debt is the highest since the recovery from WW2 and following baby boom.
to be fair to Corruption, even dodgy payouts aside, there was a pandemic thrown in there somewhere
But to be fair to the lefty economy mis-managers, things weren’t that great even before the pandemic.
This be what it is.
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Thanks.
So rather than saying it is flat out false, the statement should be modified to say that debt is the highest since the recovery from WW2 and following baby boom.
to be fair to Corruption, even dodgy payouts aside, there was a pandemic thrown in there somewhere
Either side of politics would have spent just as freely in order to contain the pandemic somewhat.
but would the communists have thrown as much of it at their high rolling friends
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:to be fair to Corruption, even dodgy payouts aside, there was a pandemic thrown in there somewhere
Either side of politics would have spent just as freely in order to contain the pandemic somewhat.
but would the communists have thrown as much of it at their high rolling friends
That would be different, yes.
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Thanks.
So rather than saying it is flat out false, the statement should be modified to say that debt is the highest since the recovery from WW2 and following baby boom.
to be fair to Corruption, even dodgy payouts aside, there was a pandemic thrown in there somewhere
But to be fair to the lefty economy mis-managers, things weren’t that great even before the pandemic.
Exactly, the forum approved news outlet is the ABC and not Sky News that SCIENCE has obviously been watching.
Lets not heat this ‘to be fair’ rubbish ever again.
Peak Warming Man said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:to be fair to Corruption, even dodgy payouts aside, there was a pandemic thrown in there somewhere
But to be fair to the lefty economy mis-managers, things weren’t that great even before the pandemic.
Exactly, the forum approved news outlet is the ABC and not Sky News that SCIENCE has obviously been watching.
Lets not heat this ‘to be fair’ rubbish ever again.
The Abe has been pretty pro-Coalition in recent years.
I suppose they might blow back now but that’s not good. Being neutral doesn’t mean backing the current government.
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
The Rev Dodgson said:But to be fair to the lefty economy mis-managers, things weren’t that great even before the pandemic.
Exactly, the forum approved news outlet is the ABC and not Sky News that SCIENCE has obviously been watching.
Lets not heat this ‘to be fair’ rubbish ever again.
The Abe has been pretty pro-Coalition in recent years.
I suppose they might blow back now but that’s not good. Being neutral doesn’t mean backing the current government.
being packed with LNP fans it is no wonder. and still the rwnj call them lefties.
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
The Rev Dodgson said:But to be fair to the lefty economy mis-managers, things weren’t that great even before the pandemic.
Exactly, the forum approved news outlet is the ABC and not Sky News that SCIENCE has obviously been watching.
Lets not heat this ‘to be fair’ rubbish ever again.
The Abe has been pretty pro-Coalition in recent years.
I suppose they might blow back now but that’s not good. Being neutral doesn’t mean backing the current government.
I’ll fact check that.
I’ll go and watch a few episodes of Q and A and get back to you.
Boris said:
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:Exactly, the forum approved news outlet is the ABC and not Sky News that SCIENCE has obviously been watching.
Lets not heat this ‘to be fair’ rubbish ever again.
The Abe has been pretty pro-Coalition in recent years.
I suppose they might blow back now but that’s not good. Being neutral doesn’t mean backing the current government.
being packed with LNP fans it is no wonder. and still the rwnj call them lefties.
All politicians are pretty much conservative in their views, aren’t really willing to do what needs to be done, a reflection of the general population
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Exactly, the forum approved news outlet is the ABC and not Sky News that SCIENCE has obviously been watching.
Lets not heat this ‘to be fair’ rubbish ever again.
The Abe has been pretty pro-Coalition in recent years.
I suppose they might blow back now but that’s not good. Being neutral doesn’t mean backing the current government.
I’ll fact check that.
I’ll go and watch a few episodes of Q and A and get back to you.
so are we saying that QnABC are abnormally enough rightwing that it takes a ring in audience to balance them with leftwingness
Cymek said:
Boris said:
dv said:
The Abe has been pretty pro-Coalition in recent years.
I suppose they might blow back now but that’s not good. Being neutral doesn’t mean backing the current government.
being packed with LNP fans it is no wonder. and still the rwnj call them lefties.
All politicians are pretty much conservative in their views, aren’t really willing to do what needs to be done, a reflection of the general population
what we need is a good strong dictator to do the needful and hang the general population
SCIENCE said:
Cymek said:
Boris said:
being packed with LNP fans it is no wonder. and still the rwnj call them lefties.
All politicians are pretty much conservative in their views, aren’t really willing to do what needs to be done, a reflection of the general population
what we need is a good strong dictator to do the needful and hang the general population
SCIENCE said:
Cymek said:
Boris said:
being packed with LNP fans it is no wonder. and still the rwnj call them lefties.
All politicians are pretty much conservative in their views, aren’t really willing to do what needs to be done, a reflection of the general population
what we need is a good strong dictator to do the needful and hang the general population
All of them? Damn … surely there is some Third Way solution where we only hang half of them
After winning a vital seat that means they don’t have to rely on the Greens to govern the ALP suddenly realises coal is good
“Coal-fired power stations need to come back online to help ease the nation’s energy crisis, Resources Minister Madeleine King says.”
Peak Warming Man said:
After winning a vital seat that means they don’t have to rely on the Greens to govern the ALP suddenly realises coal is good
“Coal-fired power stations need to come back online to help ease the nation’s energy crisis, Resources Minister Madeleine King says.”
Praise the Lord.
Peak Warming Man said:
After winning a vital seat that means they don’t have to rely on the Greens to govern the ALP suddenly realises coal is good
“Coal-fired power stations need to come back online to help ease the nation’s energy crisis, Resources Minister Madeleine King says.”
Well lets not be hasty here.
Is she talking about until the middle of next month, or long term?
The Rev Dodgson said:
Peak Warming Man said:
After winning a vital seat that means they don’t have to rely on the Greens to govern the ALP suddenly realises coal is good
“Coal-fired power stations need to come back online to help ease the nation’s energy crisis, Resources Minister Madeleine King says.”
Well lets not be hasty here.
Is she talking about until the middle of next month, or long term?
I don’t know but she is at least talking about opening up these coal fired power stations that were shut under the Coalitions watch.
She realises that we have plenty of coal so why not use it here, here in Australia.
When asked if the government would consider a nationwide policy forcing producers to reserve 15 per cent of their gas as they do in Western Australia, Ms King said “nothing is off the table”.
We are a little bit stuck for a while but there will be contracts expiring with China and Japan over the next few years and it will be important that the same mistakes are not made again.
Peak Warming Man said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Peak Warming Man said:
After winning a vital seat that means they don’t have to rely on the Greens to govern the ALP suddenly realises coal is good
“Coal-fired power stations need to come back online to help ease the nation’s energy crisis, Resources Minister Madeleine King says.”
Well lets not be hasty here.
Is she talking about until the middle of next month, or long term?
I don’t know but she is at least talking about opening up these coal fired power stations that were shut under the Coalitions watch.
She realises that we have plenty of coal so why not use it here, here in Australia.
It seems she did say “short-term”.
Even so, I’m not impressed.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Peak Warming Man said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Well lets not be hasty here.
Is she talking about until the middle of next month, or long term?
I don’t know but she is at least talking about opening up these coal fired power stations that were shut under the Coalitions watch.
She realises that we have plenty of coal so why not use it here, here in Australia.
It seems she did say “short-term”.
Even so, I’m not impressed.
Well they’ve put down a marker, a way-point that everything is not about climate change and they no longer have to kowtow to the Greens and that while climate change is a useful political tool lets not go overboard and start sacrificing our heritage building at the altar of global warming.
Over.
The condition of the Victorian Liberal party
dv said:
The condition of the Victorian Liberal party
I guess this Tim Smith guy would have been pretty scathing about our previous prime minister churchifying politics?
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
The condition of the Victorian Liberal party
I guess this Tim Smith guy would have been pretty scathing about our previous prime minister churchifying politics?
Quite the opposite:
https://www.thecitizen.org.au/articles/lib-mps-push-order-house-wing-and-prayer
And he doesn’t mind a drink. And a drive soon afterwards. Or telling people to resign:
https://www.pedestrian.tv/news/tim-smith-resignation-history/
dv said:
When asked if the government would consider a nationwide policy forcing producers to reserve 15 per cent of their gas as they do in Western Australia, Ms King said “nothing is off the table”.We are a little bit stuck for a while but there will be contracts expiring with China and Japan over the next few years and it will be important that the same mistakes are not made again.
Quite a bit goes onto the spot market, too.
dv said:
The condition of the Victorian Liberal party
Interesting.
Doesn’t scripture say “Love your neighbour as yourself.”?
If so, it seems to me that he is sticking to scripture.
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
The condition of the Victorian Liberal party
I guess this Tim Smith guy would have been pretty scathing about our previous prime minister churchifying politics?
Quite the opposite:
https://www.thecitizen.org.au/articles/lib-mps-push-order-house-wing-and-prayer
And he doesn’t mind a drink. And a drive soon afterwards. Or telling people to resign:
https://www.pedestrian.tv/news/tim-smith-resignation-history/
no but if that’s the natural church state of affairs then it’sn’t political, what’s political is trying to violate those natural states
Peak Warming Man said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Peak Warming Man said:
After winning a vital seat that means they don’t have to rely on the Greens to govern the ALP suddenly realises coal is good
“Coal-fired power stations need to come back online to help ease the nation’s energy crisis, Resources Minister Madeleine King says.”
Well lets not be hasty here.
Is she talking about until the middle of next month, or long term?
I don’t know but she is at least talking about opening up these coal fired power stations that were shut under the Coalitions watch.
She realises that we have plenty of coal so why not use it here, here in Australia.
right but since there is no energy crisis her point is surely that coal stations should remain offline
Michael V said:
dv said:
The condition of the Victorian Liberal party
Interesting.
Doesn’t scripture say “Love your neighbour as yourself.”?
If so, it seems to me that he is sticking to scripture.
Good point :)
Religion in politics is self serving
Peak Warming Man said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Peak Warming Man said:I don’t know but she is at least talking about opening up these coal fired power stations that were shut under the Coalitions watch.
She realises that we have plenty of coal so why not use it here, here in Australia.
It seems she did say “short-term”.
Even so, I’m not impressed.
Well they’ve put down a marker, a way-point that everything is not about climate change and they no longer have to kowtow to the Greens and that while climate change is a useful political tool lets not go overboard and start sacrificing our heritage building at the altar of global warming.
Over.
Do you have so little concern for future generations that you’re prepared to play climate politics instead of following climate science? You must find mad Matt Canavan a breath of fresh air.
buffy said:
We’ll all be rooned…
see, told you they’ll always be lower under Corruption than under Communists, who’s better at economy now eh
dv said:
:)
The news outlets are saying that no journalist showed up to Angus’s presser.
BUT THEN HOW WOULD THEY KNOW???
dv said:
The news outlets are saying that no journalist showed up to Angus’s presser.BUT THEN HOW WOULD THEY KNOW???
if you burn down all the national parks then there won’t be any forests left for falling trees to not know about the sound of
dv said:
The news outlets are saying that no journalist showed up to Angus’s presser.BUT THEN HOW WOULD THEY KNOW???
Because a the time when the ‘press briefing’ was on, they could see that all of the reporters were in the bar.
dv said:
Define ‘war profiteering’.
During WW2, Ford made squillions by turning out vehicles and weapons for the Allies: US, Britain, Russia, and others.
They also continued to receive profits from their plants in Germany, which were making war material for the Germans, and who faithfully remitted the profits to the US parent company via Switzerland.
At the end of the war, Ford successfully sued the US government for damages caused to those German plants by the Allied bombing campaign. They got millions from that.
Given that sort of precedent, i don’t think we’ll see much come out of this latest great unpleasantness.
dv said:
This seems to be what is happening in other countries, like France and even the UK. A tax on windfall profits which goes back into subsidies for energy consumers.
But then the same thing could be said for high wheat prices. Are we going to tax farmers for profiteering from bumper crops a d high grain prices caused by the sharp drop in supply of Russian and Ukrainian wheat from the global market? Or are they just battlers who could do with a nice break.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
The news outlets are saying that no journalist showed up to Angus’s presser.BUT THEN HOW WOULD THEY KNOW???
Because a the time when the ‘press briefing’ was on, they could see that all of the reporters were in the bar.
I wonder how Mr Morrison is coping with the transition to irrelevancy.
buffy said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
The news outlets are saying that no journalist showed up to Angus’s presser.BUT THEN HOW WOULD THEY KNOW???
Because a the time when the ‘press briefing’ was on, they could see that all of the reporters were in the bar.
I wonder how Mr Morrison is coping with the transition to irrelevancy.
I’m sure he is looking forward to regular sessions on the ABC talk shows.
The Rev Dodgson said:
buffy said:
captain_spalding said:Because a the time when the ‘press briefing’ was on, they could see that all of the reporters were in the bar.
I wonder how Mr Morrison is coping with the transition to irrelevancy.
I’m sure he is looking forward to regular sessions on the ABC talk shows.
You mean given he’s refused all ABC requests over the past few years?
:)
Is Morrison really just going to hang around as a backbencher ir is he just timing his resignation?
The Auspol Bulletin
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Tomorrow the Murugappan family from Biloela will return home to the central Queensland community in time for daughter’s birthday.
We can only imagine the welcome they will receive from those in their community that have worked for so long and so hard to get them #HomeToBilo.
dv said:
Is Morrison really just going to hang around as a backbencher ir is he just timing his resignation?
I read rumour somewhere that said he had committed himself for another year.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Is Morrison really just going to hang around as a backbencher ir is he just timing his resignation?
I read rumour somewhere that said he had committed himself for another year.
Ha
That’s mental
Ian said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Is Morrison really just going to hang around as a backbencher ir is he just timing his resignation?
I read rumour somewhere that said he had committed himself for another year.
Ha
That’s mental
there would have to be a by election wouldn’t there?
Ian said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Is Morrison really just going to hang around as a backbencher ir is he just timing his resignation?
I read rumour somewhere that said he had committed himself for another year.
Ha
That’s mental
not that kind of commited.
sarahs mum said:
Ian said:
sarahs mum said:I read rumour somewhere that said he had committed himself for another year.
Ha
That’s mental
there would have to be a by election wouldn’t there?
hopefully a bye election.
If I were Dutton, the very first thing I’d do would be to invest in a luxuriant curly wig.
sarahs mum said:
Ian said:
sarahs mum said:I read rumour somewhere that said he had committed himself for another year.
Ha
That’s mental
there would have to be a by election wouldn’t there?
There would, so it’s not uncommon for people to wait a few months and then resign. Not that they have to worry about Cook.
Bubblecar said:
If I were Dutton, the very first thing I’d do would be to invest in a luxuriant curly wig.
Then he would be mocked for it mercilessly, and for his vanity.
party_pants said:
Bubblecar said:
If I were Dutton, the very first thing I’d do would be to invest in a luxuriant curly wig.
Then he would be mocked for it mercilessly, and for his vanity.
what about some eyebrows then?
party_pants said:
Bubblecar said:
If I were Dutton, the very first thing I’d do would be to invest in a luxuriant curly wig.
Then he would be mocked for it mercilessly, and for his vanity.
Yes but if he took that with good humour, it would do a lot more to “humanise” him than just giving a goulish smile now and then.
dv said:
Is Morrison really just going to hang around as a backbencher ir is he just timing his resignation?
yes
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
Is Morrison really just going to hang around as a backbencher ir is he just timing his resignation?
yes
I would have gone with maybe, as it is possible neither of those things are the case.
Fuck Labor
and remember this quad
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
Define ‘war profiteering’.
During WW2, Ford made squillions by turning out vehicles and weapons for the Allies: US, Britain, Russia, and others.
They also continued to receive profits from their plants in Germany, which were making war material for the Germans, and who faithfully remitted the profits to the US parent company via Switzerland.
At the end of the war, Ford successfully sued the US government for damages caused to those German plants by the Allied bombing campaign. They got millions from that.
Given that sort of precedent, i don’t think we’ll see much come out of this latest great unpleasantness.
Lockheed and Messerschmitt shared profits both ways.
party_pants said:
dv said:
This seems to be what is happening in other countries, like France and even the UK. A tax on windfall profits which goes back into subsidies for energy consumers.
But then the same thing could be said for high wheat prices. Are we going to tax farmers for profiteering from bumper crops a d high grain prices caused by the sharp drop in supply of Russian and Ukrainian wheat from the global market? Or are they just battlers who could do with a nice break.
Wars always get us out of depressions.
so the fossil fuel industry went next level and engineered a war in eastern Europe this is amazing
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/new-attorney-general-promises-national-corruption-watchdog-will-have-power-to-investigate-pork-barrelling-20220602-p5aqhr.html
Boris said:
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/new-attorney-general-promises-national-corruption-watchdog-will-have-power-to-investigate-pork-barrelling-20220602-p5aqhr.html
Some good news. :)
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jun/07/job-seekers-could-have-welfare-stopped-under-onerous-new-points-based-system-advocates-warn
https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/politics/2022/06/07/challenges-albanese-government/
anti-corruption watchdog could be operational by the middle of next year, with the new Attorney-General Mark Dreyfus setting up a task force in his department to deliver
SCIENCE said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-03/australia-refuses-to-join-global-pledge-to-cut-methane-emissions/100589510anti-corruption watchdog could be operational by the middle of next year, with the new Attorney-General Mark Dreyfus setting up a task force in his department to deliver
Mark “No brother I won’t be getting you any black market mashed potato, I don’t care if it’s for an art project”
Cymek said:
SCIENCE said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-03/australia-refuses-to-join-global-pledge-to-cut-methane-emissions/100589510anti-corruption watchdog could be operational by the middle of next year, with the new Attorney-General Mark Dreyfus setting up a task force in his department to deliver
Mark “No brother I won’t be getting you any black market mashed potato, I don’t care if it’s for an art project”
we mean we wanted it operational middle of last year
roughbarked said:
Boris said:
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/new-attorney-general-promises-national-corruption-watchdog-will-have-power-to-investigate-pork-barrelling-20220602-p5aqhr.htmlSome good news. :)
aw yeah
SCIENCE said:
so the fossil fuel industry went next level and engineered a war in eastern Europe this is amazing
the ancients knew
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
so the fossil fuel industry went next level and engineered a war in eastern Europe this is amazing
the ancients knew
That they did my friend
dv said:
Everybody gotta get stoned.
Boris said:
https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/politics/2022/06/07/challenges-albanese-government/
It was a poisoned chalice, but I doubt they didn’t know that.
roughbarked said:
dv said:
Everybody gotta get stoned.
They’ll stone you when you’re riding in your car
They’ll stone you when you’re playing your guitar
They’ll stone you when you’re kicking off a thread
They’ll stone you before you are out o’ bed
Everybody must get stoned
Ian said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:
Everybody gotta get stoned.
They’ll stone you when you’re riding in your car
They’ll stone you when you’re playing your guitar
They’ll stone you when you’re kicking off a thread
They’ll stone you before you are out o’ bedEverybody must get stoned
we will we will rock you
wait
According to Dr Kev Bonham, Albanese is wrong when he says that the Coalition tried to abolish the second NT seat.
There’s been an enormous amount of innumerate or perhaps just dishonest reporting about the demography of the election results, including headlines such as “Coalition trending poor” (AFR) and “the average Labor voter now earns more than the average Coalition voter”.
Per Shaun Ratcliffe’s analysis, the wealthy and the elderly remain very much the Coalition’s base.
I wonder what is behind the big uptick for Legalise Cannabis? They just about doubled their vote nationwide. In Qld they tripled their vote, coming somewhat close to a Senate slot in Qld (though it seems One Nation or Liberals will ultimately win that tussle for the final seat). Perhaps the name change from the somewhat jokey “H.E.M.P.” name did them some good.
SCIENCE said:
Fuck Laborand remember this quad
I think young people have a very good reason to be worried about their future.
PermeateFree said:
SCIENCE said:
Fuck Laborand remember this quad
I think young people have a very good reason to be worried about their future.
they won’t because they’ll have lost enough neurons and glia from repeated dementiavirus infections that it’s all fun and games
dv said:
I wonder what is behind the big uptick for Legalise Cannabis? They just about doubled their vote nationwide. In Qld they tripled their vote, coming somewhat close to a Senate slot in Qld (though it seems One Nation or Liberals will ultimately win that tussle for the final seat). Perhaps the name change from the somewhat jokey “H.E.M.P.” name did them some good.
perhaps because they were not Lib/NP/Lab/UP/ON?
Also Cannabis reform is happening in other places but not here.
PermeateFree said:
SCIENCE said:
Fuck Laborand remember this quad
I think young people have a very good reason to be worried about their future.
That’s not even including the prospect of a major war in the next decade or so
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
I wonder what is behind the big uptick for Legalise Cannabis? They just about doubled their vote nationwide. In Qld they tripled their vote, coming somewhat close to a Senate slot in Qld (though it seems One Nation or Liberals will ultimately win that tussle for the final seat). Perhaps the name change from the somewhat jokey “H.E.M.P.” name did them some good.perhaps because they were not Lib/NP/Lab/UP/ON?
Yes but that was also the case in 2019. I’m asking what caused them to triple their vote since 2019.
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
I wonder what is behind the big uptick for Legalise Cannabis? They just about doubled their vote nationwide. In Qld they tripled their vote, coming somewhat close to a Senate slot in Qld (though it seems One Nation or Liberals will ultimately win that tussle for the final seat). Perhaps the name change from the somewhat jokey “H.E.M.P.” name did them some good.perhaps because they were not Lib/NP/Lab/UP/ON?
Yes but that was also the case in 2019. I’m asking what caused them to triple their vote since 2019.
More people wanting it legalised
Cymek said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:perhaps because they were not Lib/NP/Lab/UP/ON?
Yes but that was also the case in 2019. I’m asking what caused them to triple their vote since 2019.
More people wanting it legalised
Maybe they needed it to get through lockdowns
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
I wonder what is behind the big uptick for Legalise Cannabis? They just about doubled their vote nationwide. In Qld they tripled their vote, coming somewhat close to a Senate slot in Qld (though it seems One Nation or Liberals will ultimately win that tussle for the final seat). Perhaps the name change from the somewhat jokey “H.E.M.P.” name did them some good.perhaps because they were not Lib/NP/Lab/UP/ON?
Yes but that was also the case in 2019. I’m asking what caused them to triple their vote since 2019.
I suspect three things
- An increase in younger demographics that are now enrolled to vote due to the same sex plebiscite and general outrage around issues such at MeToo
- A change in name – it’s clear as hell what they want, whereas the other parties have very ambiguous names
- an anti-establishment protest vote
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:perhaps because they were not Lib/NP/Lab/UP/ON?
Yes but that was also the case in 2019. I’m asking what caused them to triple their vote since 2019.
I suspect three things
- An increase in younger demographics that are now enrolled to vote due to the same sex plebiscite and general outrage around issues such at MeToo
- A change in name – it’s clear as hell what they want, whereas the other parties have very ambiguous names
- an anti-establishment protest vote
Another factor (though I don’t know whether this was a thing in Qld) is that some of the LC people are against vax mandates. It doesn’t appear to be formal policy, but in WA the LC members were the only ones to vote against vax mandates. Perhaps some anti-vax but otherwise left-leaning people went shopping for a party that they thought would oppose vaccination mandates but not actually want to invade Poland.
Antony Green lays his case for why he thinks One Nation is most likely to win the last senate slot in Qld
https://antonygreen.com.au/2022-queensland-senate-election/#comment-931
What interests me here is the varying exhaustion rates. You may recall that prior to the 2016 election, Senate Voting was changed to a) abolish group ticket voting and b) allow optional preferential voting.
This meant that, for the first time, valid votes could be exhausted and not ultimately arrive at one of the final candidates.
I’ve noted before that in state elections such systems have tended to favour left-leaning parties, because the One Nation voters’ votes tend to “exhaust” because a lot of them just put 1 against One Nation and leave it at that. Like in Victoria in 2019 about 40% of One Nation’s votes were exhausted, not ending up with any candidate. However that doesn’t help much when One Nation is one of the final contenders.
dv said:
diddly-squat said:
dv said:Yes but that was also the case in 2019. I’m asking what caused them to triple their vote since 2019.
I suspect three things
- An increase in younger demographics that are now enrolled to vote due to the same sex plebiscite and general outrage around issues such at MeToo
- A change in name – it’s clear as hell what they want, whereas the other parties have very ambiguous names
- an anti-establishment protest vote
Another factor (though I don’t know whether this was a thing in Qld) is that some of the LC people are against vax mandates. It doesn’t appear to be formal policy, but in WA the LC members were the only ones to vote against vax mandates. Perhaps some anti-vax but otherwise left-leaning people went shopping for a party that they thought would oppose vaccination mandates but not actually want to invade Poland.
I can’t remember, but were they also positioned on the left hand half of the ballot?
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
diddly-squat said:I suspect three things
- An increase in younger demographics that are now enrolled to vote due to the same sex plebiscite and general outrage around issues such at MeToo
- A change in name – it’s clear as hell what they want, whereas the other parties have very ambiguous names
- an anti-establishment protest vote
Another factor (though I don’t know whether this was a thing in Qld) is that some of the LC people are against vax mandates. It doesn’t appear to be formal policy, but in WA the LC members were the only ones to vote against vax mandates. Perhaps some anti-vax but otherwise left-leaning people went shopping for a party that they thought would oppose vaccination mandates but not actually want to invade Poland.
I can’t remember, but were they also positioned on the left hand half of the ballot?
Third from the left.
dv said:
diddly-squat said:
dv said:Another factor (though I don’t know whether this was a thing in Qld) is that some of the LC people are against vax mandates. It doesn’t appear to be formal policy, but in WA the LC members were the only ones to vote against vax mandates. Perhaps some anti-vax but otherwise left-leaning people went shopping for a party that they thought would oppose vaccination mandates but not actually want to invade Poland.
I can’t remember, but were they also positioned on the left hand half of the ballot?
Third from the left.
well there you have it
Boris said:
Only if by manacle he means “puts clear rules around transparency and accountability in the use of public funds”
Dutton blaming Labor already
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fT_tLI1DXaE
Seems daft.
The Coalition in a circumstance where they lost 18 seats in an election where the corruption commission was a key issue.
They have no possible way to stop it from happening. It’s going to happen. The time for making arguments against it was before the election. The complaints they make now are a) going to be completely ineffective and b) only going to serve to make them look even dodgier.
I wonder about what’s in their heads sometimes.
Boris said:
I’d love to see his working on that.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-09/workforce-australia-confusion/101131986
sarahs mum said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-09/workforce-australia-confusion/101131986
For example, under the PBAS, a person doing the work for the dole program full-time would only get 20 points a week, meaning they’d need to complete other activities on top of that to keep their payments.
dv said:
Seems daft.
The Coalition in a circumstance where they lost 18 seats in an election where the corruption commission was a key issue.
They have no possible way to stop it from happening. It’s going to happen. The time for making arguments against it was before the election. The complaints they make now are a) going to be completely ineffective and b) only going to serve to make them look even dodgier.I wonder about what’s in their heads sometimes.
so that afterwards they can point out that they told you so it was all a witch hunt the findings are politically driven and fabricated and
it’s genius
and very stable
Cymek said:
PermeateFree said:
SCIENCE said:
Fuck Labor
and remember this quad
I think young people have a very good reason to be worried about their future.
That’s not even including the prospect of a major war in the next decade or so
wait we don’t remember Malcolm looking like this
Please please please please can Credlin run in Cook and lose to an independent
SCIENCE said:
Cymek said:
PermeateFree said:
I think young people have a very good reason to be worried about their future.
That’s not even including the prospect of a major war in the next decade or so
wait we don’t remember Malcolm looking like this
dv said:
Please please please please can Credlin run in Cook and lose to an independent
+1
genius
A Coalition adviser who worked on AUKUS said it was unwise for Mr Dutton to discuss how Australia’s ageing submarines could soon be detected by emerging radar technologies because they need to come to the surface to “snort” (recharge their batteries). Another figure, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said Mr Dutton’s editorial had “buggered” plans for a joint announcement by the end of the year between Australia, the UK and the US. “The United States can’t even do what Mr Dutton is claiming they can, that is provide two nuclear boats out of the Connecticut production line,” the official added.
dv said:
Please please please please can Credlin run in Cook and lose to an independent
Who is she having a friendly chat with in that picture?
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Please please please please can Credlin run in Cook and lose to an independent
Who is she having a friendly chat with in that picture?
Bishop J
Vince Catania, Nationals member of WA Legislative Assembly, is resigning in order to spend more time with his family.
Catania was originally elected as a Labor member in 2008 but later switched to the National party. In 2021 he won the seat by just 263 votes, so it is quite marginal and the upcoming by election will be an opportunity for a Labor pickup. Currently the National party is the opposition party in WA, holding 4 seats compared to the Libs’ 2.
dv said:
Please please please please can Credlin run in Cook and lose to an independent
Ha!
dv said:
Vince Catania, Nationals member of WA Legislative Assembly, is resigning in order to spend more time with his family.
Catania was originally elected as a Labor member in 2008 but later switched to the National party. In 2021 he won the seat by just 263 votes, so it is quite marginal and the upcoming by election will be an opportunity for a Labor pickup. Currently the National party is the opposition party in WA, holding 4 seats compared to the Libs’ 2.
I’d like to see someone say I’ve decided to work even harder and longer to avoid spending time with my family
mollwollfumble said:
But the point of democracy is not for people to elect the “best” government.
It is to allow them to get rid of governments that perform particularly badly.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-10/albanese-government-election-treasury-advice-big-target/101141250
Michelle Grattan.
The Rev Dodgson said:
mollwollfumble said:
But the point of democracy is not for people to elect the “best” government.
It is to allow them to get rid of governments that perform particularly badly.
An insurgency may be made up of those who do not want to wait.
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
mollwollfumble said:
But the point of democracy is not for people to elect the “best” government.
It is to allow them to get rid of governments that perform particularly badly.
An insurgency may be made up of those who do not want to wait.
does intelligence affect the ability to judge goodness or badness
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
But the point of democracy is not for people to elect the “best” government.
It is to allow them to get rid of governments that perform particularly badly.
An insurgency may be made up of those who do not want to wait.
does intelligence affect the ability to judge goodness or badness
There is probably some correlation, but a huge amount of scatter.
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
But the point of democracy is not for people to elect the “best” government.
It is to allow them to get rid of governments that perform particularly badly.
An insurgency may be made up of those who do not want to wait.
does intelligence affect the ability to judge goodness or badness
Surely, because you are intelligent then you should be able to read what the letters POISON sell on the side of the bottle?
The Rev Dodgson said:
mollwollfumble said:
But the point of democracy is not for people to elect the “best” government.
It is to allow them to get rid of governments that perform particularly badly.
Seems a dire view. At its best democracy is a means of imposing policy on a government.
Ironically Moll’s stupidity would prompt most forumites to deny him the vote were their ever an intelligence requirement
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-10/jacqui-lambie-staffers-rob-messenger-unfair-dismissal-verdict/101141564
Represented themselves…
Witty Rejoinder said:
Ironically Moll’s stupidity would prompt most forumites to deny him the vote were their ever an intelligence requirement
have you measured it
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Ironically Moll’s stupidity would prompt most forumites to deny him the vote were their ever an intelligence requirement
have you measured it
100 molls I believe
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Ironically Moll’s stupidity would prompt most forumites to deny him the vote were their ever an intelligence requirement
have you measured it
I have extensive notes.
This will be the last election in which the Liberal Democrats can run as the Liberal Democrats. Next time they will be the Liberty and Democracy party. There’s ways been some suggestion that they benefit from confusion with the Liberal Party so I suppose we’ll find out whether the change has much impact
dv said:
Hehehehe
dv said:
LOLOLOLOL
dv said:
fair
Michael V said:
dv said:
LOLOLOLOL
After observing that both sibeen and MV had found this funny I had another think about it finally was able to arrive at the same conclusion.
dv said:
This will be the last election in which the Liberal Democrats can run as the Liberal Democrats. Next time they will be the Liberty and Democracy party. There’s ways been some suggestion that they benefit from confusion with the Liberal Party so I suppose we’ll find out whether the change has much impact
I don’t think I’d heard of them until this election.
buffy said:
dv said:
This will be the last election in which the Liberal Democrats can run as the Liberal Democrats. Next time they will be the Liberty and Democracy party. There’s ways been some suggestion that they benefit from confusion with the Liberal Party so I suppose we’ll find out whether the change has much impact
I don’t think I’d heard of them until this election.
They had a Senator for a good while, David Lamenghleym (cbf checking the spelling). Bit of a gun rights advocate, an IPA member. Hurled sexual abuse at Senator Hanson Young during parliament, she successfully sued him for a six figure sum.
They have a presence in the Victorian parliament
Alannah Moffat
1 hr ·
I’ve just moved into an area that does this silly card. I didn’t have any say in it as because I’ve just moved states 2 weeks ago I’m currently not working just whilst I organise things. I’ve already been sent a card and I’m not happy. I’ve applied to exit the card and have gotten doctors letters that prove due to health (I have a tumour) I don’t smoke nor drink in hopes they will let me exit. each pay I do specific things with my pay and this card would ruin that system I have which has actually helped me so much save and pay to move states. Ugh not happy at all! Has anyone successfully been able to exit the card or am I just going to be rejected. Honestly considering moving again because this is just discriminatory, if they could see my savings account they would see I’m clearly responsible with my money. 😡
Anne Margaret O’connor
Don’t activate it. Take it to nearest Labor Federal MP.
Our strength is a refusal.✊
dv said:
buffy said:
dv said:
This will be the last election in which the Liberal Democrats can run as the Liberal Democrats. Next time they will be the Liberty and Democracy party. There’s ways been some suggestion that they benefit from confusion with the Liberal Party so I suppose we’ll find out whether the change has much impact
I don’t think I’d heard of them until this election.
They had a Senator for a good while, David Lamenghleym (cbf checking the spelling). Bit of a gun rights advocate, an IPA member. Hurled sexual abuse at Senator Hanson Young during parliament, she successfully sued him for a six figure sum.
They have a presence in the Victorian parliament
from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Hanson-Young#Defamation_case
In July 2018, Senator David Leyonhjelm suggested Hanson-Young should “stop shagging men”, during a parliamentary debate on women’s safety
—
David Leyonhjelm hates shagging, hates himself as well.
sarahs mum said:
Alannah Moffat
1 hr ·
I’ve just moved into an area that does this silly card. I didn’t have any say in it as because I’ve just moved states 2 weeks ago I’m currently not working just whilst I organise things. I’ve already been sent a card and I’m not happy. I’ve applied to exit the card and have gotten doctors letters that prove due to health (I have a tumour) I don’t smoke nor drink in hopes they will let me exit. each pay I do specific things with my pay and this card would ruin that system I have which has actually helped me so much save and pay to move states. Ugh not happy at all! Has anyone successfully been able to exit the card or am I just going to be rejected. Honestly considering moving again because this is just discriminatory, if they could see my savings account they would see I’m clearly responsible with my money. 😡Anne Margaret O’connor
Don’t activate it. Take it to nearest Labor Federal MP.
Our strength is a refusal.✊
So when is that card going to be dumped? I suppose it requires legislation.
dv said:
buffy said:
dv said:
This will be the last election in which the Liberal Democrats can run as the Liberal Democrats. Next time they will be the Liberty and Democracy party. There’s ways been some suggestion that they benefit from confusion with the Liberal Party so I suppose we’ll find out whether the change has much impact
I don’t think I’d heard of them until this election.
They had a Senator for a good while, David Lamenghleym (cbf checking the spelling). Bit of a gun rights advocate, an IPA member. Hurled sexual abuse at Senator Hanson Young during parliament, she successfully sued him for a six figure sum.
They have a presence in the Victorian parliament
Met him once, was less than impressed.
sarahs mum said:
Alannah Moffat
1 hr ·
I’ve just moved into an area that does this silly card. I didn’t have any say in it as because I’ve just moved states 2 weeks ago I’m currently not working just whilst I organise things. I’ve already been sent a card and I’m not happy. I’ve applied to exit the card and have gotten doctors letters that prove due to health (I have a tumour) I don’t smoke nor drink in hopes they will let me exit. each pay I do specific things with my pay and this card would ruin that system I have which has actually helped me so much save and pay to move states. Ugh not happy at all! Has anyone successfully been able to exit the card or am I just going to be rejected. Honestly considering moving again because this is just discriminatory, if they could see my savings account they would see I’m clearly responsible with my money. 😡Anne Margaret O’connor
Don’t activate it. Take it to nearest Labor Federal MP.
Our strength is a refusal.✊
Good idea.
I hate to break it to Alannah Moffat, but they can see your savings account; you have to disclose it…
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:
Alannah Moffat
1 hr ·
I’ve just moved into an area that does this silly card. I didn’t have any say in it as because I’ve just moved states 2 weeks ago I’m currently not working just whilst I organise things. I’ve already been sent a card and I’m not happy. I’ve applied to exit the card and have gotten doctors letters that prove due to health (I have a tumour) I don’t smoke nor drink in hopes they will let me exit. each pay I do specific things with my pay and this card would ruin that system I have which has actually helped me so much save and pay to move states. Ugh not happy at all! Has anyone successfully been able to exit the card or am I just going to be rejected. Honestly considering moving again because this is just discriminatory, if they could see my savings account they would see I’m clearly responsible with my money. 😡Anne Margaret O’connor
Don’t activate it. Take it to nearest Labor Federal MP.
Our strength is a refusal.✊
Good idea.
I hate to break it to Alannah Moffat, but they can see your savings account; you have to disclose it…
Only those on welfare mismanage money, the rich, government ministers, high up public servants never do
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:
Alannah Moffat
1 hr ·
I’ve just moved into an area that does this silly card. I didn’t have any say in it as because I’ve just moved states 2 weeks ago I’m currently not working just whilst I organise things. I’ve already been sent a card and I’m not happy. I’ve applied to exit the card and have gotten doctors letters that prove due to health (I have a tumour) I don’t smoke nor drink in hopes they will let me exit. each pay I do specific things with my pay and this card would ruin that system I have which has actually helped me so much save and pay to move states. Ugh not happy at all! Has anyone successfully been able to exit the card or am I just going to be rejected. Honestly considering moving again because this is just discriminatory, if they could see my savings account they would see I’m clearly responsible with my money. 😡Anne Margaret O’connor
Don’t activate it. Take it to nearest Labor Federal MP.
Our strength is a refusal.✊
Good idea.
I hate to break it to Alannah Moffat, but they can see your savings account; you have to disclose it…
also if she moves the card moves with her.
sarahs mum said:
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:
Alannah Moffat
1 hr ·
I’ve just moved into an area that does this silly card. I didn’t have any say in it as because I’ve just moved states 2 weeks ago I’m currently not working just whilst I organise things. I’ve already been sent a card and I’m not happy. I’ve applied to exit the card and have gotten doctors letters that prove due to health (I have a tumour) I don’t smoke nor drink in hopes they will let me exit. each pay I do specific things with my pay and this card would ruin that system I have which has actually helped me so much save and pay to move states. Ugh not happy at all! Has anyone successfully been able to exit the card or am I just going to be rejected. Honestly considering moving again because this is just discriminatory, if they could see my savings account they would see I’m clearly responsible with my money. 😡Anne Margaret O’connor
Don’t activate it. Take it to nearest Labor Federal MP.
Our strength is a refusal.✊
Good idea.
I hate to break it to Alannah Moffat, but they can see your savings account; you have to disclose it…
also if she moves the card moves with her.
They know where every card is.
sarahs mum said:
They know something we don’t.
sarahs mum said:
Just me or does she have large hands?
dv said:
buffy said:
dv said:
This will be the last election in which the Liberal Democrats can run as the Liberal Democrats. Next time they will be the Liberty and Democracy party. There’s ways been some suggestion that they benefit from confusion with the Liberal Party so I suppose we’ll find out whether the change has much impact
I don’t think I’d heard of them until this election.
They had a Senator for a good while, David Lamenghleym (cbf checking the spelling). Bit of a gun rights advocate, an IPA member. Hurled sexual abuse at Senator Hanson Young during parliament, she successfully sued him for a six figure sum.
They have a presence in the Victorian parliament
Ah, I know of David Leyonhjelm. But not a lot.
Cymek said:
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:
Alannah Moffat
1 hr ·
I’ve just moved into an area that does this silly card. I didn’t have any say in it as because I’ve just moved states 2 weeks ago I’m currently not working just whilst I organise things. I’ve already been sent a card and I’m not happy. I’ve applied to exit the card and have gotten doctors letters that prove due to health (I have a tumour) I don’t smoke nor drink in hopes they will let me exit. each pay I do specific things with my pay and this card would ruin that system I have which has actually helped me so much save and pay to move states. Ugh not happy at all! Has anyone successfully been able to exit the card or am I just going to be rejected. Honestly considering moving again because this is just discriminatory, if they could see my savings account they would see I’m clearly responsible with my money. 😡Anne Margaret O’connor
Don’t activate it. Take it to nearest Labor Federal MP.
Our strength is a refusal.✊
Good idea.
I hate to break it to Alannah Moffat, but they can see your savings account; you have to disclose it…
Only those on welfare mismanage money, the rich, government ministers, high up public servants never do
It’s true when I was sick I spent all my money on beer and hookers. Now that I’m better and working again I only spend part of my money on beer and hookers. What they need to do is give them more money so they only spend part of their money on beer….. And hookers.
The ABC chose the month it is celebrating its 90th birthday to gut staff in its acclaimed archives division. The plan is to abolish 75 jobs, 58 permanent positions and 17 contractors, and replace some of them with so-called content navigators tasked with helping harried journalists find material and log metadata into the system.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/jun/10/look-back-in-anger-staff-furious-at-sacking-of-archivists-on-abcs-90th-birthday
sarahs mum said:
Did the former PM have a personality like a funeral director?
What was the former PM like?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-10/fact-check-malcolm-roberts-who-rule-change-sovereignty/101138144
Malcolm Roberts says a rule change at the WHO ‘would have decimated’ Australia’s sovereignty. Is he correct?
Malcolm Roberts’s WHO claim falls flat with experts
dv said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-10/fact-check-malcolm-roberts-who-rule-change-sovereignty/101138144Malcolm Roberts says a rule change at the WHO ‘would have decimated’ Australia’s sovereignty. Is he correct?
Malcolm Roberts’s WHO claim falls flat with experts
Do we hae to fact check him? Cant we just assume that it is drivel?
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-10/fact-check-malcolm-roberts-who-rule-change-sovereignty/101138144Malcolm Roberts says a rule change at the WHO ‘would have decimated’ Australia’s sovereignty. Is he correct?
Malcolm Roberts’s WHO claim falls flat with experts
Do we hae to fact check him? Cant we just assume that it is drivel?
I’m just hoping that in 2025 Queenslanders think carefully about their options.
His conduct and comments during his S44 case were just … nuts. He seemed to be out to try the High Court’s patience, and this was reflected somewhat in the judgment:
“Senator Roberts equates feelings of Australian self-identification with citizenship, and so confuses notions of how a person sees oneself with an understanding of how one’s national community sees an individual who claims to be legally entitled to be accepted as a member of that community. The extent to which Senator Roberts’ subjective beliefs and objective reality diverge became apparent when Senator Roberts, pressed by Mr Lloyd SC as to whether ‘believing that you are an Australian citizen by reason of what is said amongst family members is actually the test for Australian citizenship’, answered: ‘Knowing my father I certainly do.‘”
Tau.Neutrino said:
What was the former PM like?
Who? Our former PM?
Well…if you can imagine a very long performance by a mime who is quite clearly inept at his craft, stumbling about on a stage filled with devices which could bring the roof crashing down on you at a touch, and who clearly longs for the rightly-withheld approval of you, the audience, who have no option of leaving until a more-or-less fixed release time rolls around, and all this set against a background of clowns who are combining pratfalls with acts of blatant robbery…
Or this batshit letter he wrote to Julia Gillard.
Malcolm-Ieuan: Roberts.
Beneficiary, Administrator for
MALCOM IEUAN ROBERTS
The Woman, Julia-Eileen: Gillard., acting as The Honourable JULIA EILEEN GILLARD
Prime Minister of Australia
Parliament House
Canberra ACT 2600
I, Malcolm-Ieuan: Roberts., the living soul has not seen or been presented with any
material facts or evidence that I, Malcolm-Ieuan: Roberts., the living soul am not living
in a free and equal society or should pay for it in some further spurious tax levied
supposedly on carbon dioxide, and believe that none exist.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-08-05/one-nation-senator-denies-link-to-sovereign-citizens/7695442
I was going to say “Maybe One Nation voters could at least give their 1 to the second person on the ON Senate list” …
checked, it was this guy:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-30/one-nation-candidate-steve-dickson-quits-over-strip-club-video/11056676
One Nation Senate candidate for Queensland Steve Dickson has resigned after footage was released of him making derogatory comments and touching a dancer in a US strip club.
Mr Dickson is also filmed as saying: “ I think white women f**k a whole lot better, they know what they’re doing. Asian chicks don’t. I’ve done more Asian than I know what to do with.”
dv said:
Or this batshit letter he wrote to Julia Gillard.Malcolm-Ieuan: Roberts.
Beneficiary, Administrator for
MALCOM IEUAN ROBERTS
The Woman, Julia-Eileen: Gillard., acting as The Honourable JULIA EILEEN GILLARD
Prime Minister of Australia
Parliament House
Canberra ACT 2600
I, Malcolm-Ieuan: Roberts., the living soul has not seen or been presented with any
material facts or evidence that I, Malcolm-Ieuan: Roberts., the living soul am not living
in a free and equal society or should pay for it in some further spurious tax levied
supposedly on carbon dioxide, and believe that none exist.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-08-05/one-nation-senator-denies-link-to-sovereign-citizens/7695442
I was going to say “Maybe One Nation voters could at least give their 1 to the second person on the ON Senate list” …
checked, it was this guy:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-30/one-nation-candidate-steve-dickson-quits-over-strip-club-video/11056676
One Nation Senate candidate for Queensland Steve Dickson has resigned after footage was released of him making derogatory comments and touching a dancer in a US strip club.
Mr Dickson is also filmed as saying: “ I think white women f**k a whole lot better, they know what they’re doing. Asian chicks don’t. I’ve done more Asian than I know what to do with.”
damn.
Assange and Australia’s Whistleblowers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQRafcB4ZQM
Received an e-mail from our mate Julian Leeser this morning.
At first mildly irritated then horrified:
Dear Resident of the Berowra Electorate
I would like to thank the people of Berowra for giving me the honour of continuing to serve our amazing community as your local member. I promise to continue fighting for the telco and infrastructure improvements our community needs.
I am also humbled and honoured to be appointed by the Opposition Leader Peter Dutton as the Shadow Attorney-General and Shadow Minister for Indigenous Australians as I have had a long and deep interest in both these areas of public policy.
Appalling’ lack of transparency
Earlier this week it was revealed a taxpayer-funded grant announced by Liberal candidate Madeleine Ogilvie during the 2021 Tasmanian state election campaign funnelled $150,000 into the rowing club where her daughter was a member.
The grant came from the Liberals’ Local Communities Facilities Fund — a controversial grants program that was also an election promise, with recipients decided by an internal Liberal Party policy team, rather than a publicly accountable body.
In response to a request from the ABC, the government provided a list of the successful recipients of grants under the $15 million fund, which the Liberal Party used to make election promises.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Received an e-mail from our mate Julian Leeser this morning.At first mildly irritated then horrified:
Dear Resident of the Berowra Electorate
I would like to thank the people of Berowra for giving me the honour of continuing to serve our amazing community as your local member. I promise to continue fighting for the telco and infrastructure improvements our community needs.
I am also humbled and honoured to be appointed by the Opposition Leader Peter Dutton as the Shadow Attorney-General and Shadow Minister for Indigenous Australians as I have had a long and deep interest in both these areas of public policy.
If he likes Dutton, please take me off the list of “our”, in “our mate”.
Thank you.
Michael V said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Received an e-mail from our mate Julian Leeser this morning.At first mildly irritated then horrified:
Dear Resident of the Berowra Electorate
I would like to thank the people of Berowra for giving me the honour of continuing to serve our amazing community as your local member. I promise to continue fighting for the telco and infrastructure improvements our community needs.
I am also humbled and honoured to be appointed by the Opposition Leader Peter Dutton as the Shadow Attorney-General and Shadow Minister for Indigenous Australians as I have had a long and deep interest in both these areas of public policy.
If he likes Dutton, please take me off the list of “our”, in “our mate”.
Thank you.
ditto.
Michael V said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Received an e-mail from our mate Julian Leeser this morning.At first mildly irritated then horrified:
Dear Resident of the Berowra Electorate
I would like to thank the people of Berowra for giving me the honour of continuing to serve our amazing community as your local member. I promise to continue fighting for the telco and infrastructure improvements our community needs.
I am also humbled and honoured to be appointed by the Opposition Leader Peter Dutton as the Shadow Attorney-General and Shadow Minister for Indigenous Australians as I have had a long and deep interest in both these areas of public policy.
If he likes Dutton, please take me off the list of “our”, in “our mate”.
Thank you.
You know that was an ironic “our mate”, right? :)
From my limited observation, he seems to be just like Dutton, but lacking his better qualities.
Hard to believe, I know. :)
roughbarked said:
Appalling’ lack of transparencyEarlier this week it was revealed a taxpayer-funded grant announced by Liberal candidate Madeleine Ogilvie during the 2021 Tasmanian state election campaign funnelled $150,000 into the rowing club where her daughter was a member.
The grant came from the Liberals’ Local Communities Facilities Fund — a controversial grants program that was also an election promise, with recipients decided by an internal Liberal Party policy team, rather than a publicly accountable body.
In response to a request from the ABC, the government provided a list of the successful recipients of grants under the $15 million fund, which the Liberal Party used to make election promises.
Attorney-General Elise Archer is a patron of the Glenorchy Cricket Club, which scored $20,000
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haha.
But yeah..the rowing. We know that it is expensive for private schools to keep little boats on the water.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Received an e-mail from our mate Julian Leeser this morning.At first mildly irritated then horrified:
Dear Resident of the Berowra Electorate
I would like to thank the people of Berowra for giving me the honour of continuing to serve our amazing community as your local member. I promise to continue fighting for the telco and infrastructure improvements our community needs.
I am also humbled and honoured to be appointed by the Opposition Leader Peter Dutton as the Shadow Attorney-General and Shadow Minister for Indigenous Australians as I have had a long and deep interest in both these areas of public policy.
If he likes Dutton, please take me off the list of “our”, in “our mate”.
Thank you.
You know that was an ironic “our mate”, right? :)
From my limited observation, he seems to be just like Dutton, but lacking his better qualities.
Hard to believe, I know. :)
Yuck.
The other day DV posted that Rockcliff had decided that Tassie should go back to 35 members in the lower house. After they decreased the size to 25 they gave themselves a 40% payrise.
Everywhere there were signs that said ‘‘40%. Never forget.”
https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2022/06/11/part-one-collapse-the-modern-liberal-party
Violins ready
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jun/11/what-becomes-of-the-politically-departed-sadly-im-now-finding-out
What becomes of the politically departed? Sadly, I’m now finding out
Trent Zimmerman
roughbarked said:
Dutton whinging already
Is watching a youtube of dutton whinging really going to be a good use of my time?
I think not.
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
Dutton whinging already
Is watching a youtube of dutton whinging really going to be a good use of my time?
I think not.
About 30 seconds of Dutton. The rest is about how privatisation ruins everything.
The Teal candidates did not direct preferences on the HTV cards. I was wondering how the Teal voters’ preferences actually went… but I’ll probably never know. The Teal endeavour was so successful that none of their preferences ever needed to be distributed. Every one of them ended in the final bossfight.
“‘Evil’ beekeeper jailed for killing vulnerable family friend”
I’ve had a gut full of beekeepers.
ABC news:
‘NSW Premier says ‘thank-you’ cash bonus will not go to private and aged care nurses
By Paulina Vidal
The $3,000 cash bonuses for the “heroes of the pandemic” will not offered to nurses in the private and aged care sectors, NSW Premier Dominic Perrottet has revealed.’
Parrottits finds a way to be an arsehole while simultaneously being a good bloke.
Not even ScoMo achieved that.
https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/2022/06/11/other-peoples-lies
buffy said:
ChrispenEvan said:
https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/2022/06/11/other-peoples-liesPaywalled
Other people’s lies
Hollie Hughes speaks in a monotone. Her lines are rehearsed. “If we want to consider 32 per cent of the primary vote a mandate, we might need to have to review what a mandate looks like…” the Liberal senator says. “So that’s the first thing – 68 per cent of people voted for somebody else.”
About the time Hughes was talking, the former leader of the Proud Boys was charged with seditious conspiracy over his role in the Capitol Hill riots. Others in the group have already pleaded guilty to conspiracy and assault charges. Enrique Tarrio’s defence lawyer says her client is “as innocent of these charges as the ones that had already been pending against him”.
These two events are connected. Hughes is borrowing an American lie: that the new government is somehow illegitimate. Donald Trump propagated this myth before extremists marched on Washington in January 2021. It is a grievance that undermines democracy and must be condemned. It makes mischief of the preferential voting that put Hughes in office.
Increasingly, Australia has drawn on the worst of American politics. Scott Morrison tried it with his failed voter identification bill, which came from the same place as Hughes’s comments. He tried again with his failed campaign against transgender athletes, which contributed to his loss at the election.
The lack of talent and imagination in the right-wing parties has seen the Coalition ape the nativism of the Republican Party. They play mindless dress-ups, pretending that America’s politics are our politics. They forget the fundamental differences of our health and education systems, the inescapable security of social welfare.
Also this week, Hughes said climate action was “almost like a luxury issue for some people”. She repeated the lie that Australia doesn’t greatly contribute to emissions and so cannot take a lead in cutting them. She mocked Labor’s targets and said you “could shut everything down tomorrow and all go live in trees” but it wouldn’t make a difference. Worst of all, she said this as shadow minister for Climate Change.
It is almost as if the Liberal Party hasn’t realised it lost. Scott Morrison is yet to come down to the ballroom. Josh Frydenberg is still on television not conceding. The object lessons – the brutal repudiation of the party’s meanness, its incompetence, its inaction on climate change and integrity – have not been learnt. That haven’t even occurred.
This is nothing to celebrate. The party’s foolishness will only make it more desperate. Although Labor will not have to negotiate on policy, it will find itself responding to a fringe that has claimed the dignity of opposition. It will be forced to fight over the obvious. It will be less bold.
All of this is because people such as Hollie Hughes regard it as a game. The rhetoric about “mandates” is play. She can’t really mean it. Instead, she sees politics in such narrow terms she doesn’t consider the consequences of what she is doing. She swings on the clothesline and doesn’t understand why it is broken.
>He tried again with his failed campaign against transgender athletes, which contributed to his loss at the election.
Is it really the case that most people think male-bodied athletes entering women’s sport, and routinely defeating female-bodied athletes, is fair, fine and dandy?
Presumably there’s just something wrong with my reasoning powers and sense of justice.
Bubblecar said:
>He tried again with his failed campaign against transgender athletes, which contributed to his loss at the election.Is it really the case that most people think male-bodied athletes entering women’s sport, and routinely defeating female-bodied athletes, is fair, fine and dandy?
Presumably there’s just something wrong with my reasoning powers and sense of justice.
Bubblecar said:
>He tried again with his failed campaign against transgender athletes, which contributed to his loss at the election.Is it really the case that most people think male-bodied athletes entering women’s sport, and routinely defeating female-bodied athletes, is fair, fine and dandy?
Presumably there’s just something wrong with my reasoning powers and sense of justice.
I think that it’s fine for male-bodied athletes to compete in women’s sport.
As soon as all of the rules and conditions in mens’ sports are modified to allow people with significantly more feminine physiques to compete in mens’ sports.
Tamb said:
Bubblecar said:
>He tried again with his failed campaign against transgender athletes, which contributed to his loss at the election.Is it really the case that most people think male-bodied athletes entering women’s sport, and routinely defeating female-bodied athletes, is fair, fine and dandy?
Presumably there’s just something wrong with my reasoning powers and sense of justice.
I agree. Quite unfair.
I’ll let the sporting bodies decide. from what I’ve read they don’t appear to have much of a problem with it.
Bubblecar said:
>He tried again with his failed campaign against transgender athletes, which contributed to his loss at the election.Is it really the case that most people think male-bodied athletes entering women’s sport, and routinely defeating female-bodied athletes, is fair, fine and dandy?
Presumably there’s just something wrong with my reasoning powers and sense of justice.
It is not an issue that pops up in the “top 10” list of concerns for most voters. The whole transgender rights debate is a completely marginal issue. It is just not something that your average punter identifies with or puts much emotional commitment into either way. Climate change, corruption/integrity, cost of living ..etc are all more important. On these issues the coalition failed and were out-voted by candidates who offered a credible alternative.
party_pants said:
Bubblecar said:
>He tried again with his failed campaign against transgender athletes, which contributed to his loss at the election.Is it really the case that most people think male-bodied athletes entering women’s sport, and routinely defeating female-bodied athletes, is fair, fine and dandy?
Presumably there’s just something wrong with my reasoning powers and sense of justice.
It is not an issue that pops up in the “top 10” list of concerns for most voters. The whole transgender rights debate is a completely marginal issue. It is just not something that your average punter identifies with or puts much emotional commitment into either way. Climate change, corruption/integrity, cost of living ..etc are all more important. On these issues the coalition failed and were out-voted by candidates who offered a credible alternative.
But, but, but, if I think it is an issue then everybody else should.
Bubblecar said:
>He tried again with his failed campaign against transgender athletes, which contributed to his loss at the election.Is it really the case that most people think male-bodied athletes entering women’s sport, and routinely defeating female-bodied athletes, is fair, fine and dandy?
Presumably there’s just something wrong with my reasoning powers and sense of justice.
It seems the either-orism in trans-gender politics works both ways.
To me it seems quite reasonable to limit participation in women’s competitive sport to those people who pass specified tests for physical femaleness.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bubblecar said:
>He tried again with his failed campaign against transgender athletes, which contributed to his loss at the election.Is it really the case that most people think male-bodied athletes entering women’s sport, and routinely defeating female-bodied athletes, is fair, fine and dandy?
Presumably there’s just something wrong with my reasoning powers and sense of justice.
It seems the either-orism in trans-gender politics works both ways.
To me it seems quite reasonable to limit participation in women’s competitive sport to those people who pass specified tests for physical femaleness.
remember the chinese and russian swimmers from years ago? I wonder how they would fair?
ChrispenEvan said:
Tamb said:
Bubblecar said:
>He tried again with his failed campaign against transgender athletes, which contributed to his loss at the election.Is it really the case that most people think male-bodied athletes entering women’s sport, and routinely defeating female-bodied athletes, is fair, fine and dandy?
Presumably there’s just something wrong with my reasoning powers and sense of justice.
I agree. Quite unfair.I’ll let the sporting bodies decide. from what I’ve read they don’t appear to have much of a problem with it.
So if the sporting bodies are pressured into accepting men in women’s sports, you’ll just shrug and say, “Mine is not to reason why.”
Bubblecar said:
So if the sporting bodies are pressured into accepting men in women’s sports, you’ll just shrug and say, “Mine is not to reason why.”
Could ‘follow the money’ enter this picture somewhere?
party_pants said:
Bubblecar said:
>He tried again with his failed campaign against transgender athletes, which contributed to his loss at the election.Is it really the case that most people think male-bodied athletes entering women’s sport, and routinely defeating female-bodied athletes, is fair, fine and dandy?
Presumably there’s just something wrong with my reasoning powers and sense of justice.
It is not an issue that pops up in the “top 10” list of concerns for most voters. The whole transgender rights debate is a completely marginal issue. It is just not something that your average punter identifies with or puts much emotional commitment into either way. Climate change, corruption/integrity, cost of living ..etc are all more important. On these issues the coalition failed and were out-voted by candidates who offered a credible alternative.
Fine. I’m just wanting to know – am I actually wrong to think it’s unfair for female-bodied athletes to have to compete against male-bodied athletes?
Given that the male and female sport categories were separated precisely because people did think it unfair for women to have to compete against men, how did it somehow become not unfair? And if it’s not unfair, why do we continue to bother with separate male and female sports categories?
captain_spalding said:
Bubblecar said:So if the sporting bodies are pressured into accepting men in women’s sports, you’ll just shrug and say, “Mine is not to reason why.”
Could ‘follow the money’ enter this picture somewhere?
doubt it. It isn’t that common so unlikely to be a money spinner.
ChrispenEvan said:
party_pants said:
Bubblecar said:
>He tried again with his failed campaign against transgender athletes, which contributed to his loss at the election.Is it really the case that most people think male-bodied athletes entering women’s sport, and routinely defeating female-bodied athletes, is fair, fine and dandy?
Presumably there’s just something wrong with my reasoning powers and sense of justice.
It is not an issue that pops up in the “top 10” list of concerns for most voters. The whole transgender rights debate is a completely marginal issue. It is just not something that your average punter identifies with or puts much emotional commitment into either way. Climate change, corruption/integrity, cost of living ..etc are all more important. On these issues the coalition failed and were out-voted by candidates who offered a credible alternative.
But, but, but, if I think it is an issue then everybody else should.
Don’t worry Boris, I’m not asking you to challenge the lefty orthodox on this or any other issue :)
I’ll leave that to braver souls.
Bubblecar said:
party_pants said:
Bubblecar said:
>He tried again with his failed campaign against transgender athletes, which contributed to his loss at the election.Is it really the case that most people think male-bodied athletes entering women’s sport, and routinely defeating female-bodied athletes, is fair, fine and dandy?
Presumably there’s just something wrong with my reasoning powers and sense of justice.
It is not an issue that pops up in the “top 10” list of concerns for most voters. The whole transgender rights debate is a completely marginal issue. It is just not something that your average punter identifies with or puts much emotional commitment into either way. Climate change, corruption/integrity, cost of living ..etc are all more important. On these issues the coalition failed and were out-voted by candidates who offered a credible alternative.
Fine. I’m just wanting to know – am I actually wrong to think it’s unfair for female-bodied athletes to have to compete against male-bodied athletes?
Given that the male and female sport categories were separated precisely because people did think it unfair for women to have to compete against men, how did it somehow become not unfair? And if it’s not unfair, why do we continue to bother with separate male and female sports categories?
But which sporting organisations have actually changed the rules for definition of female participants?
ChrispenEvan said:
captain_spalding said:
Bubblecar said:So if the sporting bodies are pressured into accepting men in women’s sports, you’ll just shrug and say, “Mine is not to reason why.”
Could ‘follow the money’ enter this picture somewhere?
doubt it. It isn’t that common so unlikely to be a money spinner.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bubblecar said:
party_pants said:It is not an issue that pops up in the “top 10” list of concerns for most voters. The whole transgender rights debate is a completely marginal issue. It is just not something that your average punter identifies with or puts much emotional commitment into either way. Climate change, corruption/integrity, cost of living ..etc are all more important. On these issues the coalition failed and were out-voted by candidates who offered a credible alternative.
Fine. I’m just wanting to know – am I actually wrong to think it’s unfair for female-bodied athletes to have to compete against male-bodied athletes?
Given that the male and female sport categories were separated precisely because people did think it unfair for women to have to compete against men, how did it somehow become not unfair? And if it’s not unfair, why do we continue to bother with separate male and female sports categories?
But which sporting organisations have actually changed the rules for definition of female participants?
I’m asking: am I actually wrong to think it’s unfair for female-bodied athletes to have to compete against male-bodied athletes?
Given that the male and female sport categories were separated precisely because people did think it unfair for women to have to compete against men, how did it somehow become not unfair? And if it’s not unfair, why do we continue to bother with separate male and female sports categories?
Tamb said:
ChrispenEvan said:
captain_spalding said:Could ‘follow the money’ enter this picture somewhere?
doubt it. It isn’t that common so unlikely to be a money spinner.
Except for the winning fe?male.
it isn’t tennis.
Bubblecar said:
party_pants said:
Bubblecar said:
>He tried again with his failed campaign against transgender athletes, which contributed to his loss at the election.Is it really the case that most people think male-bodied athletes entering women’s sport, and routinely defeating female-bodied athletes, is fair, fine and dandy?
Presumably there’s just something wrong with my reasoning powers and sense of justice.
It is not an issue that pops up in the “top 10” list of concerns for most voters. The whole transgender rights debate is a completely marginal issue. It is just not something that your average punter identifies with or puts much emotional commitment into either way. Climate change, corruption/integrity, cost of living ..etc are all more important. On these issues the coalition failed and were out-voted by candidates who offered a credible alternative.
Fine. I’m just wanting to know – am I actually wrong to think it’s unfair for female-bodied athletes to have to compete against male-bodied athletes?
Given that the male and female sport categories were separated precisely because people did think it unfair for women to have to compete against men, how did it somehow become not unfair? And if it’s not unfair, why do we continue to bother with separate male and female sports categories?
Yes, if you word it like that it probably is.
But I don’t watch a whole lot of female sports. Sometimes a bit of womens cricket, and a bit of the Olympics once every 4 years. Aside from that I don’t really get into it. Sport in general is a bit of first world luxury, just a bit of fun but not really important.
I am also happy to leave it up to each individual sport to decide their own rules. In some sports it matters more than others and makes a difference to the outcomes.
ChrispenEvan said:
Tamb said:
ChrispenEvan said:doubt it. It isn’t that common so unlikely to be a money spinner.
Except for the winning fe?male.it isn’t tennis.
Probably the most famous tennis battle of the sexes took place in 1973, between Bobby Riggs, winner of the Wimbledon men’s singles title in 1939, who was aged 55 and still playing some tennis in 1973 but was well past his prime. He defeated female player Margaret Court in a match on Mother’s Day 1973, the score 6-2. 6-1.
Bubblecar said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bubblecar said:Fine. I’m just wanting to know – am I actually wrong to think it’s unfair for female-bodied athletes to have to compete against male-bodied athletes?
Given that the male and female sport categories were separated precisely because people did think it unfair for women to have to compete against men, how did it somehow become not unfair? And if it’s not unfair, why do we continue to bother with separate male and female sports categories?
But which sporting organisations have actually changed the rules for definition of female participants?
I’m asking: am I actually wrong to think it’s unfair for female-bodied athletes to have to compete against male-bodied athletes?
Given that the male and female sport categories were separated precisely because people did think it unfair for women to have to compete against men, how did it somehow become not unfair? And if it’s not unfair, why do we continue to bother with separate male and female sports categories?
You’re right of course but the lefties have to follow the party line or they risk being sent to Coventry.
What their real views are we’ll probably never know.
Bubblecar said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bubblecar said:Fine. I’m just wanting to know – am I actually wrong to think it’s unfair for female-bodied athletes to have to compete against male-bodied athletes?
Given that the male and female sport categories were separated precisely because people did think it unfair for women to have to compete against men, how did it somehow become not unfair? And if it’s not unfair, why do we continue to bother with separate male and female sports categories?
But which sporting organisations have actually changed the rules for definition of female participants?
I’m asking: am I actually wrong to think it’s unfair for female-bodied athletes to have to compete against male-bodied athletes?
Given that the male and female sport categories were separated precisely because people did think it unfair for women to have to compete against men, how did it somehow become not unfair? And if it’s not unfair, why do we continue to bother with separate male and female sports categories?
I think everyone has given their opinion on that haven’t they?
My question now is, if sporting organisations are not actually proposing to relax the rules, why is it an issue?
Or if they are, which ones and in what way?
Tamb said:
ChrispenEvan said:
captain_spalding said:Could ‘follow the money’ enter this picture somewhere?
doubt it. It isn’t that common so unlikely to be a money spinner.
Except for the winning fe?male.
And maybe her sponsor(s).
Every sponsor likes to back a winner. And if ‘your’ athlete’s physique enables them to knock the others for six (possibly literally), then there’s your winner.
And happy sponsors put money into the sport.
party_pants said:
Bubblecar said:
party_pants said:It is not an issue that pops up in the “top 10” list of concerns for most voters. The whole transgender rights debate is a completely marginal issue. It is just not something that your average punter identifies with or puts much emotional commitment into either way. Climate change, corruption/integrity, cost of living ..etc are all more important. On these issues the coalition failed and were out-voted by candidates who offered a credible alternative.
Fine. I’m just wanting to know – am I actually wrong to think it’s unfair for female-bodied athletes to have to compete against male-bodied athletes?
Given that the male and female sport categories were separated precisely because people did think it unfair for women to have to compete against men, how did it somehow become not unfair? And if it’s not unfair, why do we continue to bother with separate male and female sports categories?
Yes, if you word it like that it probably is.
But I don’t watch a whole lot of female sports. Sometimes a bit of womens cricket, and a bit of the Olympics once every 4 years. Aside from that I don’t really get into it. Sport in general is a bit of first world luxury, just a bit of fun but not really important.
I am also happy to leave it up to each individual sport to decide their own rules. In some sports it matters more than others and makes a difference to the outcomes.
even less for me. plus i also agree, as i said early, with the last para.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bubblecar said:
The Rev Dodgson said:But which sporting organisations have actually changed the rules for definition of female participants?
I’m asking: am I actually wrong to think it’s unfair for female-bodied athletes to have to compete against male-bodied athletes?
Given that the male and female sport categories were separated precisely because people did think it unfair for women to have to compete against men, how did it somehow become not unfair? And if it’s not unfair, why do we continue to bother with separate male and female sports categories?
I think everyone has given their opinion on that haven’t they?
My question now is, if sporting organisations are not actually proposing to relax the rules, why is it an issue?
Or if they are, which ones and in what way?
Party pants is the only participant here who has agreed that it’s unfair.
Bubblecar said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bubblecar said:I’m asking: am I actually wrong to think it’s unfair for female-bodied athletes to have to compete against male-bodied athletes?
Given that the male and female sport categories were separated precisely because people did think it unfair for women to have to compete against men, how did it somehow become not unfair? And if it’s not unfair, why do we continue to bother with separate male and female sports categories?
I think everyone has given their opinion on that haven’t they?
My question now is, if sporting organisations are not actually proposing to relax the rules, why is it an issue?
Or if they are, which ones and in what way?
Party pants is the only participant here who has agreed that it’s unfair.
…and Tamb :)
Bubblecar said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bubblecar said:I’m asking: am I actually wrong to think it’s unfair for female-bodied athletes to have to compete against male-bodied athletes?
Given that the male and female sport categories were separated precisely because people did think it unfair for women to have to compete against men, how did it somehow become not unfair? And if it’s not unfair, why do we continue to bother with separate male and female sports categories?
I think everyone has given their opinion on that haven’t they?
My question now is, if sporting organisations are not actually proposing to relax the rules, why is it an issue?
Or if they are, which ones and in what way?
Party pants is the only participant here who has agreed that it’s unfair.
No he isn’t. I did at least, and I thought some others did, but I could be wrong.
ChrispenEvan said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bubblecar said:
>He tried again with his failed campaign against transgender athletes, which contributed to his loss at the election.Is it really the case that most people think male-bodied athletes entering women’s sport, and routinely defeating female-bodied athletes, is fair, fine and dandy?
Presumably there’s just something wrong with my reasoning powers and sense of justice.
It seems the either-orism in trans-gender politics works both ways.
To me it seems quite reasonable to limit participation in women’s competitive sport to those people who pass specified tests for physical femaleness.
remember the chinese and russian swimmers from years ago? I wonder how they would fair?
And there we also have the experiment for what using testosterone in females does over time in terms of bone health and cardiovascular health.
maybe start a transgender in sport thread so this won’t pollute a good politics thread.
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I think everyone has given their opinion on that haven’t they?
My question now is, if sporting organisations are not actually proposing to relax the rules, why is it an issue?
Or if they are, which ones and in what way?
Party pants is the only participant here who has agreed that it’s unfair.
…and Tamb :)
Oi, i just said that i think it’d be fair – but only when women can move into men’s sports which have been re-structured so as to not put them at a physical disadvantage when playing alongside men.
If sports aren’t willing to do that, then keep anyone who currently or formerly identified as ‘male’ out of womens’ sports.
ChrispenEvan said:
maybe start a transgender in sport thread so this won’t pollute a good politics thread.
Shrugs.
It’s as good a political discussion as any other.
I really don’t think the “lefty” position is as extreme as Bubblecar portrays. In the recent election the only person from the libs who was criticised on this issue was Deves, as far as I’m aware, and that was because of the language she used, rather than for any problem with protecting women’s rights.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bubblecar said:
The Rev Dodgson said:But which sporting organisations have actually changed the rules for definition of female participants?
I’m asking: am I actually wrong to think it’s unfair for female-bodied athletes to have to compete against male-bodied athletes?
Given that the male and female sport categories were separated precisely because people did think it unfair for women to have to compete against men, how did it somehow become not unfair? And if it’s not unfair, why do we continue to bother with separate male and female sports categories?
I think everyone has given their opinion on that haven’t they?
My question now is, if sporting organisations are not actually proposing to relax the rules, why is it an issue?
Or if they are, which ones and in what way?
I don’t know the details of each sporting body’s stance and policies on this matter.
But Morrison’s support of candidate Deves, who is against male participation in women’s sports, is being portrayed by many commentators as an ugly lurch to the right.
So I assume those commentators think it’s fair for female-bodied athletes to have to compete against male-bodied athletes.
It can be hard to get them to debate the basics but they do usually insist that it’s “transphobic” to object to men entering women’s sports, if those men “identify as women”.
The Rev Dodgson said:
ChrispenEvan said:
maybe start a transgender in sport thread so this won’t pollute a good politics thread.
Shrugs.
It’s as good a political discussion as any other.
I really don’t think the “lefty” position is as extreme as Bubblecar portrays. In the recent election the only person from the libs who was criticised on this issue was Deves, as far as I’m aware, and that was because of the language she used, rather than for any problem with protecting women’s rights.
wasn’t shrugs a banjo player of some renown?
The Rev Dodgson said:
ChrispenEvan said:
maybe start a transgender in sport thread so this won’t pollute a good politics thread.
Shrugs.
It’s as good a political discussion as any other.
I really don’t think the “lefty” position is as extreme as Bubblecar portrays. In the recent election the only person from the libs who was criticised on this issue was Deves, as far as I’m aware, and that was because of the language she used, rather than for any problem with protecting women’s rights.
My main argument is not to argue the issue, but to argue that the issue was marginal (at best) to the main political debate during the election.
Bubblecar said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bubblecar said:I’m asking: am I actually wrong to think it’s unfair for female-bodied athletes to have to compete against male-bodied athletes?
Given that the male and female sport categories were separated precisely because people did think it unfair for women to have to compete against men, how did it somehow become not unfair? And if it’s not unfair, why do we continue to bother with separate male and female sports categories?
I think everyone has given their opinion on that haven’t they?
My question now is, if sporting organisations are not actually proposing to relax the rules, why is it an issue?
Or if they are, which ones and in what way?
I don’t know the details of each sporting body’s stance and policies on this matter.
But Morrison’s support of candidate Deves, who is against male participation in women’s sports, is being portrayed by many commentators as an ugly lurch to the right.
So I assume those commentators think it’s fair for female-bodied athletes to have to compete against male-bodied athletes.
It can be hard to get them to debate the basics but they do usually insist that it’s “transphobic” to object to men entering women’s sports, if those men “identify as women”.
As I said, Deves was quite rightly criticised for her language. Nothing to do with men in women’s sport.
Bubblecar said:
party_pants said:
Bubblecar said:
>He tried again with his failed campaign against transgender athletes, which contributed to his loss at the election.Is it really the case that most people think male-bodied athletes entering women’s sport, and routinely defeating female-bodied athletes, is fair, fine and dandy?
Presumably there’s just something wrong with my reasoning powers and sense of justice.
It is not an issue that pops up in the “top 10” list of concerns for most voters. The whole transgender rights debate is a completely marginal issue. It is just not something that your average punter identifies with or puts much emotional commitment into either way. Climate change, corruption/integrity, cost of living ..etc are all more important. On these issues the coalition failed and were out-voted by candidates who offered a credible alternative.
Fine. I’m just wanting to know – am I actually wrong to think it’s unfair for female-bodied athletes to have to compete against male-bodied athletes?
Given that the male and female sport categories were separated precisely because people did think it unfair for women to have to compete against men, how did it somehow become not unfair? And if it’s not unfair, why do we continue to bother with separate male and female sports categories?
Caster Semenya et al?
party_pants said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
ChrispenEvan said:
maybe start a transgender in sport thread so this won’t pollute a good politics thread.
Shrugs.
It’s as good a political discussion as any other.
I really don’t think the “lefty” position is as extreme as Bubblecar portrays. In the recent election the only person from the libs who was criticised on this issue was Deves, as far as I’m aware, and that was because of the language she used, rather than for any problem with protecting women’s rights.
My main argument is not to argue the issue, but to argue that the issue was marginal (at best) to the main political debate during the election.
Well there was one electorate where it was significant.
ChrispenEvan said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
ChrispenEvan said:
maybe start a transgender in sport thread so this won’t pollute a good politics thread.
Shrugs.
It’s as good a political discussion as any other.
I really don’t think the “lefty” position is as extreme as Bubblecar portrays. In the recent election the only person from the libs who was criticised on this issue was Deves, as far as I’m aware, and that was because of the language she used, rather than for any problem with protecting women’s rights.
wasn’t shrugs a banjo player of some renown?
Lead singer of Madness?
furious said:
ChrispenEvan said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Shrugs.
It’s as good a political discussion as any other.
I really don’t think the “lefty” position is as extreme as Bubblecar portrays. In the recent election the only person from the libs who was criticised on this issue was Deves, as far as I’m aware, and that was because of the language she used, rather than for any problem with protecting women’s rights.
wasn’t shrugs a banjo player of some renown?
Lead singer of Madness?
that’s Suggs.
I think it was earl scruggs.
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I think everyone has given their opinion on that haven’t they?
My question now is, if sporting organisations are not actually proposing to relax the rules, why is it an issue?
Or if they are, which ones and in what way?
Party pants is the only participant here who has agreed that it’s unfair.
…and Tamb :)
Tamb said:
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:Party pants is the only participant here who has agreed that it’s unfair.
…and Tamb :)
Thank you.
Men’s 400m record 43.03
Women’s 400m record 47.60
Put on a skirt, say call me ‘Agnes’, and set a world record.
What’s not fair about that?
The Rev Dodgson said:
party_pants said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Shrugs.
It’s as good a political discussion as any other.
I really don’t think the “lefty” position is as extreme as Bubblecar portrays. In the recent election the only person from the libs who was criticised on this issue was Deves, as far as I’m aware, and that was because of the language she used, rather than for any problem with protecting women’s rights.
My main argument is not to argue the issue, but to argue that the issue was marginal (at best) to the main political debate during the election.
Well there was one electorate where it was significant.
Not really, I think Steggall was always going to hold Warringah, and the Liberal party knew it. They couldn’t find a candidate willing to take her on in the head-to-head contest. So they pretty much conceded the seat in selecting Deves. The intention was never to win that seat but for her to make a bit of noise and persuade voters in other seats to vote on emotion. But it failed, because like I said, it is an issue that just doesn’t gain as much emotional traction as the proponents on either side would like to think.
dv said:
yep. that. they are left of rupert.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
yep. that. they are left of rupert.
But only because their charter requires no bias.
Energy crisis talks lead to deal to create Australia’s first clean power transition plan
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/state-federal-governments-to-create-australia-s-first-clean-energy-transition-plan-20220608-p5as3z.html
www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/reelect-pm-turns-out-some-werent-so-kean/news-story/21e6e4ab69ccb9f2f92bcbfbbb26c173&usg=AOvVaw3ZuPw0d2741XmZ92Qnj9S_
dv said:
www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/reelect-pm-turns-out-some-werent-so-kean/news-story/21e6e4ab69ccb9f2f92bcbfbbb26c173&usg=AOvVaw3ZuPw0d2741XmZ92Qnj9S_
Is he going for a kill the party altogether platform?
dv said:
www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/reelect-pm-turns-out-some-werent-so-kean/news-story/21e6e4ab69ccb9f2f92bcbfbbb26c173&usg=AOvVaw3ZuPw0d2741XmZ92Qnj9S_
It is not about brand. It is about what they do.
Promising one thing to one group of people, and a contradictory thing to another group, is a recipe for losing the trust of both of them.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/reelect-pm-turns-out-some-werent-so-kean/news-story/21e6e4ab69ccb9f2f92bcbfbbb26c173&usg=AOvVaw3ZuPw0d2741XmZ92Qnj9S_
Is he going for a kill the party altogether platform?
Oh, he’d be The Leader, of course.
You’d have a job keeping him down in the Shire, now that he’s seen Kirribilli House.
party_pants said:
dv said:
www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/reelect-pm-turns-out-some-werent-so-kean/news-story/21e6e4ab69ccb9f2f92bcbfbbb26c173&usg=AOvVaw3ZuPw0d2741XmZ92Qnj9S_
It is not about brand. It is about what they do.
Promising one thing to one group of people, and a contradictory thing to another group, is a recipe for losing the trust of both of them.
Yeah, but who gives a shit, if it gives you another three years of corruption and graft?!
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/reelect-pm-turns-out-some-werent-so-kean/news-story/21e6e4ab69ccb9f2f92bcbfbbb26c173&usg=AOvVaw3ZuPw0d2741XmZ92Qnj9S_
Is he going for a kill the party altogether platform?
I’ve no idea what the future holds for them. I was never a Howard fan but he was an excellent politician. He knew you were lost in Australia if you can’t hold the centre.
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:
dv said:
www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/reelect-pm-turns-out-some-werent-so-kean/news-story/21e6e4ab69ccb9f2f92bcbfbbb26c173&usg=AOvVaw3ZuPw0d2741XmZ92Qnj9S_
It is not about brand. It is about what they do.
Promising one thing to one group of people, and a contradictory thing to another group, is a recipe for losing the trust of both of them.
Yeah, but who gives a shit, if it gives you another three years of corruption and graft?!
I suppose that’s the other thing. A lot of their surviving stars could be resigning in disgrace or even going to prison over the next couple of years, if the experience of the NSW Icac is anything to go by.
dv said:
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:It is not about brand. It is about what they do.
Promising one thing to one group of people, and a contradictory thing to another group, is a recipe for losing the trust of both of them.
Yeah, but who gives a shit, if it gives you another three years of corruption and graft?!
I suppose that’s the other thing. A lot of their surviving stars could be resigning in disgrace or even going to prison over the next couple of years, if the experience of the NSW Icac is anything to go by.
Oh please, make it so.
dv said:
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:
It is not about brand. It is about what they do.
Promising one thing to one group of people, and a contradictory thing to another group, is a recipe for losing the trust of both of them.
Yeah, but who gives a shit, if it gives you another three years of corruption and graft?!
I suppose that’s the other thing. A lot of their surviving stars could be resigning in disgrace or even going to prison over the next couple of years, if the experience of the NSW Icac is anything to go by.
yes please
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/reelect-pm-turns-out-some-werent-so-kean/news-story/21e6e4ab69ccb9f2f92bcbfbbb26c173&usg=AOvVaw3ZuPw0d2741XmZ92Qnj9S_
Is he going for a kill the party altogether platform?
Oh, he’d be The Leader, of course.
You’d have a job keeping him down in the Shire, now that he’s seen Kirribilli House.
The LNP, and sometimes the ALP, put up their own ‘Independent’ candidates to grab votes that they’d normally miss. They make the HTV cards to send the dregs of the votes where they want.
Spiny Norman said:
The LNP, and sometimes the ALP, put up their own ‘Independent’ candidates to grab votes that they’d normally miss. They make the HTV cards to send the dregs of the votes where they want.
another little dodge that’s peculiar to preferential voting.
captain_spalding said:
Spiny Norman said:The LNP, and sometimes the ALP, put up their own ‘Independent’ candidates to grab votes that they’d normally miss. They make the HTV cards to send the dregs of the votes where they want.
another little dodge that’s peculiar to preferential voting.
One thing that’s become clear from the pref flows this election is that people ignore HTV cards. The Libs preference UAP but most of their voters sent them elsewhere.
dv said:
captain_spalding said:
Spiny Norman said:The LNP, and sometimes the ALP, put up their own ‘Independent’ candidates to grab votes that they’d normally miss. They make the HTV cards to send the dregs of the votes where they want.
another little dodge that’s peculiar to preferential voting.
One thing that’s become clear from the pref flows this election is that people ignore HTV cards. The Libs preference UAP but most of their voters sent them elsewhere.
What a staggering thought: social responsibility in L/NP voters!
dv said:
captain_spalding said:
Spiny Norman said:The LNP, and sometimes the ALP, put up their own ‘Independent’ candidates to grab votes that they’d normally miss. They make the HTV cards to send the dregs of the votes where they want.
another little dodge that’s peculiar to preferential voting.
One thing that’s become clear from the pref flows this election is that people ignore HTV cards. The Libs preference UAP but most of their voters sent them elsewhere.
The prolific UAP advertising may well have encouraged that. Own goal sort of thing.
Spiny Norman said:
dv said:
captain_spalding said:another little dodge that’s peculiar to preferential voting.
One thing that’s become clear from the pref flows this election is that people ignore HTV cards. The Libs preference UAP but most of their voters sent them elsewhere.
The prolific UAP advertising may well have encouraged that. Own goal sort of thing.
maybe there are more xanthophobes than previously thought.
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dv said:
ring, ring, ring…
Jenny Mulcahy built ‘Dutton’s Drawers of Inequities’ in 2021 to criticise the former home affairs minister Peter Dutton on his hardline policies against asylum seeker arrivals by boat.
Among the other works is an interactive set of drawers called ‘Dutton’s Drawers of Inequities’. Inside each drawer includes small symbolic items of former home affairs minister Petter Dutton’s hardline stance against refugees and asylum seekers entering Australia.
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/priya-sewed-dresses-for-her-girls-in-detention-now-theyre-on-display-in-biloelas-art-gallery/yrilc2u17
‘Belligerent’: Former PM Malcolm Turnbull whacks Peter Dutton
Malcolm Turnbull has launched a blistering attack against Peter Dutton over his handling of a multi-billion dollar submarine deal.
Former prime minister Malcolm Turnbull has ripped into Peter Dutton over his “belligerent” claims about submarines.
Mr Turnbull blasted the former defence minister’s role in scrapping a French submarine deal in favour of nuclear boats from America and the United Kingdom.
Australia is not expected to receive the first of the nuclear subs for almost 20 years.
In an explosive opinion piece written last week, Mr Dutton revealed he had planned to buy two Virginia-class subs from by US sooner in order to plug the capability gap.
“It was just more blustering from Dutton,” Mr Turnbull told ABC Radio on Monday.
“He’s a belligerent blusterer who wrecked a submarine contract.”
https://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/military/belligerent-former-pm-malcolm-turnbull-whacks-peter-dutton/news-story/226b6dba8c2747a4ff29afac1d14463a
Earlier, former prime minister Malcolm Turnbull said the Albanese government should consider bringing in gas price and volume controls for 90 days in a bid to deal with the short-term energy crisis.
But he said the controls – put in place with the backing of the states – were necessary to deal with pressure on supply and prices created by the “perfect storm” of an explosion in the international gas price, outages at coal-fired power stations and a very cold winter.
“We have a crisis at the moment … they should be decisive today as I was,” Mr Turnbull told the ABC.
“The minute they say they’re going to do it, the gas companies will find the gas and agree to offer it at lower prices.”
Mr Turnbull defended his government’s implementation of a trigger mechanism designed to shore up national gas supplies.
The mechanism is now being reviewed by the Labor government, following an energy ministers’ meeting last week.
“It was designed to deal with a different problem at a different time and it worked, so it wasn’t useless, it was very useful,” Mr Turnbull said.
The gas trigger mechanism forces gas companies to limit exports if there are severe shortages in the domestic supply.
https://www.bluemountainsgazette.com.au/story/7777192/regulator-steps-in-to-avoid-blackouts/?cs=9676
Keeping himself in the news a bit, is Malc
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jun/13/lincoln-crowley-sworn-in-as-nations-first-indigenous-supreme-court-judge
Lincoln Crowley sworn in as nation’s first Indigenous supreme court judge
Warramunga man’s elevation to bench hailed as ‘important step in a much longer process’ in Queensland
dv said:
‘Belligerent’: Former PM Malcolm Turnbull whacks Peter Dutton
Malcolm Turnbull has launched a blistering attack against Peter Dutton over his handling of a multi-billion dollar submarine deal.
Former prime minister Malcolm Turnbull has ripped into Peter Dutton over his “belligerent” claims about submarines.
Mr Turnbull blasted the former defence minister’s role in scrapping a French submarine deal in favour of nuclear boats from America and the United Kingdom.Australia is not expected to receive the first of the nuclear subs for almost 20 years.
In an explosive opinion piece written last week, Mr Dutton revealed he had planned to buy two Virginia-class subs from by US sooner in order to plug the capability gap.
“It was just more blustering from Dutton,” Mr Turnbull told ABC Radio on Monday.
“He’s a belligerent blusterer who wrecked a submarine contract.”
https://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/military/belligerent-former-pm-malcolm-turnbull-whacks-peter-dutton/news-story/226b6dba8c2747a4ff29afac1d14463a
Earlier, former prime minister Malcolm Turnbull said the Albanese government should consider bringing in gas price and volume controls for 90 days in a bid to deal with the short-term energy crisis.
But he said the controls – put in place with the backing of the states – were necessary to deal with pressure on supply and prices created by the “perfect storm” of an explosion in the international gas price, outages at coal-fired power stations and a very cold winter.
“We have a crisis at the moment … they should be decisive today as I was,” Mr Turnbull told the ABC.
“The minute they say they’re going to do it, the gas companies will find the gas and agree to offer it at lower prices.”
Mr Turnbull defended his government’s implementation of a trigger mechanism designed to shore up national gas supplies.The mechanism is now being reviewed by the Labor government, following an energy ministers’ meeting last week.
“It was designed to deal with a different problem at a different time and it worked, so it wasn’t useless, it was very useful,” Mr Turnbull said.
The gas trigger mechanism forces gas companies to limit exports if there are severe shortages in the domestic supply.https://www.bluemountainsgazette.com.au/story/7777192/regulator-steps-in-to-avoid-blackouts/?cs=9676
Keeping himself in the news a bit, is Malc
I think it seems like he thinks he has been released from any obligations to the party to stay quiet. Now it is payback time, to undermine the right faction who ousted him.
party_pants said:
dv said:
‘Belligerent’: Former PM Malcolm Turnbull whacks Peter Dutton
Malcolm Turnbull has launched a blistering attack against Peter Dutton over his handling of a multi-billion dollar submarine deal.
Former prime minister Malcolm Turnbull has ripped into Peter Dutton over his “belligerent” claims about submarines.
Mr Turnbull blasted the former defence minister’s role in scrapping a French submarine deal in favour of nuclear boats from America and the United Kingdom.Australia is not expected to receive the first of the nuclear subs for almost 20 years.
In an explosive opinion piece written last week, Mr Dutton revealed he had planned to buy two Virginia-class subs from by US sooner in order to plug the capability gap.
“It was just more blustering from Dutton,” Mr Turnbull told ABC Radio on Monday.
“He’s a belligerent blusterer who wrecked a submarine contract.”
https://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/military/belligerent-former-pm-malcolm-turnbull-whacks-peter-dutton/news-story/226b6dba8c2747a4ff29afac1d14463a
Earlier, former prime minister Malcolm Turnbull said the Albanese government should consider bringing in gas price and volume controls for 90 days in a bid to deal with the short-term energy crisis.
But he said the controls – put in place with the backing of the states – were necessary to deal with pressure on supply and prices created by the “perfect storm” of an explosion in the international gas price, outages at coal-fired power stations and a very cold winter.
“We have a crisis at the moment … they should be decisive today as I was,” Mr Turnbull told the ABC.
“The minute they say they’re going to do it, the gas companies will find the gas and agree to offer it at lower prices.”
Mr Turnbull defended his government’s implementation of a trigger mechanism designed to shore up national gas supplies.The mechanism is now being reviewed by the Labor government, following an energy ministers’ meeting last week.
“It was designed to deal with a different problem at a different time and it worked, so it wasn’t useless, it was very useful,” Mr Turnbull said.
The gas trigger mechanism forces gas companies to limit exports if there are severe shortages in the domestic supply.https://www.bluemountainsgazette.com.au/story/7777192/regulator-steps-in-to-avoid-blackouts/?cs=9676
Keeping himself in the news a bit, is Malc
I think it seems like he thinks he has been released from any obligations to the party to stay quiet. Now it is payback time, to undermine the right faction who ousted him.
I was thinking that maybe he could position himself to lead a new centrist tealish party …
In the wake of the Morrison government’s defeat, a culture war has broken out within the Liberal Party between those who consider recovering the teal independent seats a necessary precondition for a return to power and those who believe they should be abandoned to the political left so the party might pursue different constituencies in seats that have been swinging away from Labor, notably Hunter, Werriwa, McEwen and Gorton. Support for the latter notion has been provided by former Morrison government adviser Mark Briers, who says the party “must move our party’s focus, talent and resources away from Camberwell and Malvern towards Craigieburn and Melton”, and right-wing Victorian Liberal MP Tim Smith, who says his party should “stop obsessing with the woke concerns and obsessions with the inner-urban elites”, and “take the focus off Kew” – his own seat, until November at least – “and focus on Cranbourne”.
Repudiating his soon-to-be-former colleague, former Victorian Liberal leader Michael O’Brien told The Australian there was “no path to 45 seats” at the November state election “that doesn’t run through Malvern, Kew and Hawthorn”, the latter of which was unexpectedly lost to Labor in 2018. Similarly, federal MP Paul Fletcher – who has an interest in the matter as member for the Sydney seat of Bradfield, one of only two out of the ten wealthiest electorates that remain with the Liberal Party – wrote in The Australian on Saturday that he has not heard notions to the contrary “seriously advanced by fellow Liberals”, by which I think he means he has not heard it advanced by serious fellow Liberals. However, his prescriptions for accomplishing took pains to avoid seriously criticising his own party and offered no suggestion of any policy reorientation.
Scott Morrison, who clearly isn’t kept awake at night by jibes about him being “from marketing”, proposes a middle course, seemingly based on the notion that brand damage from the Nationals had a lot to do with his government’s defeat. As reported by Sharri Markson of The Australian, Morrison proposes the solution of a re-forged coalition in which a Queensland-style Liberal National Party serves as the main brand, allied to a distinct “new progressive Liberal movement” to run in the kinds of seats lost to the teal independents.
https://www.pollbludger.net/2022/06/13/rich-liberal-poor-liberal/
dv said:
party_pants said:
dv said:
‘Belligerent’: Former PM Malcolm Turnbull whacks Peter Dutton
Malcolm Turnbull has launched a blistering attack against Peter Dutton over his handling of a multi-billion dollar submarine deal.
Former prime minister Malcolm Turnbull has ripped into Peter Dutton over his “belligerent” claims about submarines.
Mr Turnbull blasted the former defence minister’s role in scrapping a French submarine deal in favour of nuclear boats from America and the United Kingdom.Australia is not expected to receive the first of the nuclear subs for almost 20 years.
In an explosive opinion piece written last week, Mr Dutton revealed he had planned to buy two Virginia-class subs from by US sooner in order to plug the capability gap.
“It was just more blustering from Dutton,” Mr Turnbull told ABC Radio on Monday.
“He’s a belligerent blusterer who wrecked a submarine contract.”
https://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/military/belligerent-former-pm-malcolm-turnbull-whacks-peter-dutton/news-story/226b6dba8c2747a4ff29afac1d14463a
Earlier, former prime minister Malcolm Turnbull said the Albanese government should consider bringing in gas price and volume controls for 90 days in a bid to deal with the short-term energy crisis.
But he said the controls – put in place with the backing of the states – were necessary to deal with pressure on supply and prices created by the “perfect storm” of an explosion in the international gas price, outages at coal-fired power stations and a very cold winter.
“We have a crisis at the moment … they should be decisive today as I was,” Mr Turnbull told the ABC.
“The minute they say they’re going to do it, the gas companies will find the gas and agree to offer it at lower prices.”
Mr Turnbull defended his government’s implementation of a trigger mechanism designed to shore up national gas supplies.The mechanism is now being reviewed by the Labor government, following an energy ministers’ meeting last week.
“It was designed to deal with a different problem at a different time and it worked, so it wasn’t useless, it was very useful,” Mr Turnbull said.
The gas trigger mechanism forces gas companies to limit exports if there are severe shortages in the domestic supply.https://www.bluemountainsgazette.com.au/story/7777192/regulator-steps-in-to-avoid-blackouts/?cs=9676
Keeping himself in the news a bit, is Malc
I think it seems like he thinks he has been released from any obligations to the party to stay quiet. Now it is payback time, to undermine the right faction who ousted him.
I was thinking that maybe he could position himself to lead a new centrist tealish party …
I do hope such a party forms, and the Liberal party moderates break ranks and join it. Whether MT himself gets involved or not I am not so bothered.
dv said:
notion that brand damage from the Nationals had a lot to do with his government’s defeat. As reported by Sharri Markson of The Australian, Morrison proposes the solution of a re-forged coalitionhttps://www.pollbludger.net/2022/06/13/rich-liberal-poor-liberal/
so it really was someone else’s fault we knew it
SCIENCE said:
dv said:notion that brand damage from the Nationals had a lot to do with his government’s defeat. As reported by Sharri Markson of The Australian, Morrison proposes the solution of a re-forged coalitionhttps://www.pollbludger.net/2022/06/13/rich-liberal-poor-liberal/
so it really was someone else’s fault we knew it
:)
Yeah, I hadn’t looked at it that way, but now that you mention it.
The Nationals did not lose any seats 1 in the election, and their vote held relatively steady with just a minor swing away.
1 = In states where they run as NP and not as a combined L/NP ticket.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jun/14/liberal-andrew-constance-seeks-election-recount-in-gilmore-as-david-pocock-wins-act-senate-seat
Constance is seeking a recount in Gilmore.
AEC will normally need some specific grounds for a recount unless the margin is under 100. I don’t know whether Constance has such grounds.
dv said:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jun/14/liberal-andrew-constance-seeks-election-recount-in-gilmore-as-david-pocock-wins-act-senate-seatConstance is seeking a recount in Gilmore.
AEC will normally need some specific grounds for a recount unless the margin is under 100. I don’t know whether Constance has such grounds.
ABC says 50.2% to Labor with 91.5% counted.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jun/14/liberal-andrew-constance-seeks-election-recount-in-gilmore-as-david-pocock-wins-act-senate-seatConstance is seeking a recount in Gilmore.
AEC will normally need some specific grounds for a recount unless the margin is under 100. I don’t know whether Constance has such grounds.
ABC says 50.2% to Labor with 91.5% counted.
It’s fully counted and declared.
Seems accurate enough.
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jun/14/liberal-andrew-constance-seeks-election-recount-in-gilmore-as-david-pocock-wins-act-senate-seatConstance is seeking a recount in Gilmore.
AEC will normally need some specific grounds for a recount unless the margin is under 100. I don’t know whether Constance has such grounds.
ABC says 50.2% to Labor with 91.5% counted.
It’s fully counted and declared.
Belay that, it’s not declared, I was thinking of Deakin.
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jun/14/liberal-andrew-constance-seeks-election-recount-in-gilmore-as-david-pocock-wins-act-senate-seatConstance is seeking a recount in Gilmore.
AEC will normally need some specific grounds for a recount unless the margin is under 100. I don’t know whether Constance has such grounds.
ABC says 50.2% to Labor with 91.5% counted.
It’s fully counted and declared.
Ok Antony, settle.
:-)
dv said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:ABC says 50.2% to Labor with 91.5% counted.
It’s fully counted and declared.
Belay that, it’s not declared, I was thinking of Deakin.
unsettle, Antony.
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jun/14/liberal-andrew-constance-seeks-election-recount-in-gilmore-as-david-pocock-wins-act-senate-seatConstance is seeking a recount in Gilmore.
AEC will normally need some specific grounds for a recount unless the margin is under 100. I don’t know whether Constance has such grounds.
ABC says 50.2% to Labor with 91.5% counted.
It’s fully counted and declared.
OK then, AEC says 50.17% to Labor with 100% counted.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:ABC says 50.2% to Labor with 91.5% counted.
It’s fully counted and declared.
OK then, AEC says 50.17% to Labor with 100% counted.
Thumbs up emoji.
ALP is >300 votes over the line so unless Constance has some kind of special evidence I assume the recount will be knocked back.
Spiny Norman said:
Seems accurate enough.
LOLOLOLOL
I wish I could write like that.
:)
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:It’s fully counted and declared.
OK then, AEC says 50.17% to Labor with 100% counted.
Thumbs up emoji.
ALP is >300 votes over the line so unless Constance has some kind of special evidence I assume the recount will be knocked back.
Hard to miscount that many, perhaps she can pay for them to be recounted
I wonder what the smallest winning margin a single seat is…
Cymek said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:OK then, AEC says 50.17% to Labor with 100% counted.
Thumbs up emoji.
ALP is >300 votes over the line so unless Constance has some kind of special evidence I assume the recount will be knocked back.
Hard to miscount that many, perhaps she can pay for them to be recounted
He.
Constance is his surname.
Michael V said:
Spiny Norman said:
Seems accurate enough.
LOLOLOLOL
I wish I could write like that.
:)
so as they’re saying in that other thread, this guy with no sense of or connection to reality is just a shitty version of a LaMDA chat bot
https://tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/topics/15931/
one even wonders if experience means anything to this script engine
diddly-squat said:
I wonder what the smallest winning margin a single seat is…
McEwen 2007 maybe? Originally a Labor win by 7, ended up as a Liberal win by 27.
Spiny Norman said:
Seems accurate enough.
Leaf blowers are great at blowing away rubbish.
No wonder it was noisy all the time at parliament.
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:Spiny Norman said:
Seems accurate enough.
LOLOLOLOL
I wish I could write like that.
:)
so as they’re saying in that other thread, this guy with no sense of or connection to reality is just a shitty version of a LaMDA chat bot
https://tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/topics/15931/
one even wonders if experience means anything to this script engine
:)
Its great the liberal party ran out of leaf blowers.
Bunnings has restocked 100’s of new ones.
dv said:
Rah rah
mollwollfumble said:
this would be more apt in the USA politics thread.
sarahs mum said:
Will it involve clearing trees?
sarahs mum said:
Higher density housing is the solution to stopping habitat destruction through urban sprawl :/
I think the problem might be that the koalas are in possession of some land that doesn’t flood.
sarahs mum said:
I think the problem might be that the koalas are in possession of some land that doesn’t flood.
I’d need to take a look at the details. Is the area currently national park or is it currently low density housing?
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
Will it involve clearing trees?
In some cases they will SHOOT all the problematic animals before property development happens, they get the gov to do it.
Then you’ve got the wholesale bombardment of nazi chemical warfare agent that kills anything that ever gets it into their mouth. The nazis gave up on 1080 because they deemed it too dangerous, the people trying to kill the concentration camp prisoners wouod end up being killed too- not for the Aussies, its bonza !
Ive just grown fatalistic when it comes to the stupidity of the majority now.
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:
Higher density housing is the solution to stopping habitat destruction through urban sprawl :/
I can’t find the story…yet.
But they do seem to like Koalas.
Managing the health and habitat of our koala population in south-east Lismore
The Comprehensive Koala Plan of Management for south-east Lismore (CKPoM) aims to protect the koala population found in the southeast of the LGA, which is considered one of the most significant on the NSW North Coast.
https://lismore.nsw.gov.au/managing-the-health-and-habitat-of-our-koala-population-in-south-east-lismore
Sky News Australia is a global hub for climate misinformation, report says
Murdoch-owned channel creates and distributes content promoting climate scepticism across the world, analysis finds
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/jun/14/sky-news-australia-is-a-global-hub-for-climate-misinformation-report-says?CMP=soc_567
dv said:
Sky News Australia is a global hub for climate misinformation, report says
Murdoch-owned channel creates and distributes content promoting climate scepticism across the world, analysis finds
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/jun/14/sky-news-australia-is-a-global-hub-for-climate-misinformation-report-says?CMP=soc_567
its worse than that.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Sky News Australia is a global hub for climate misinformation, report says
Murdoch-owned channel creates and distributes content promoting climate scepticism across the world, analysis finds
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/jun/14/sky-news-australia-is-a-global-hub-for-climate-misinformation-report-says?CMP=soc_567
its worse than that.
Yes, people purchase his disinformation to readily consume it, believing its every word. You are not going to stop him without stopping them.
Anthony Albanese is experiencing a post-election boost not seen since Kevin Rudd was elected in 2007, with the prime minister’s net approval rating up 40 points since Labor’s victory last month.
The first Guardian Essential poll since the 21 May election shows 59% of voters approve of the job Albanese is doing as prime minister, including 19% who “strongly approve”, compared with just 18% who do not. About one in four (23%) say they don’t know.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jun/15/guardian-essential-poll-albanese-enjoys-post-election-approval-boost-last-seen-with-kevin-rudd
dv said:
Anthony Albanese is experiencing a post-election boost not seen since Kevin Rudd was elected in 2007, with the prime minister’s net approval rating up 40 points since Labor’s victory last month.The first Guardian Essential poll since the 21 May election shows 59% of voters approve of the job Albanese is doing as prime minister, including 19% who “strongly approve”, compared with just 18% who do not. About one in four (23%) say they don’t know.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jun/15/guardian-essential-poll-albanese-enjoys-post-election-approval-boost-last-seen-with-kevin-rudd
That’s interesting. Ta.
Michael V said:
dv said:
Anthony Albanese is experiencing a post-election boost not seen since Kevin Rudd was elected in 2007, with the prime minister’s net approval rating up 40 points since Labor’s victory last month.
The first Guardian Essential poll since the 21 May election shows 59% of voters approve of the job Albanese is doing as prime minister, including 19% who “strongly approve”, compared with just 18% who do not. About one in four (23%) say they don’t know.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jun/15/guardian-essential-poll-albanese-enjoys-post-election-approval-boost-last-seen-with-kevin-rudd
That’s interesting. Ta.
so are we basically saying that approval has sfa to do with reliable longer term observable evidence
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
Anthony Albanese is experiencing a post-election boost not seen since Kevin Rudd was elected in 2007, with the prime minister’s net approval rating up 40 points since Labor’s victory last month.
The first Guardian Essential poll since the 21 May election shows 59% of voters approve of the job Albanese is doing as prime minister, including 19% who “strongly approve”, compared with just 18% who do not. About one in four (23%) say they don’t know.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jun/15/guardian-essential-poll-albanese-enjoys-post-election-approval-boost-last-seen-with-kevin-rudd
That’s interesting. Ta.
so are we basically saying that approval has sfa to do with reliable longer term observable evidence
Far too early to tell. Still in the honeymoon period.
Councillors accepted bags of cash from property developer, ICAC told
——
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/councillors-accepted-bags-of-cash-from-property-developer-icac-told-20220614-p5atgq.html
Barnaby reading this thinking “why is ICAC stymying political creativity?”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-15/minimum-wage-pay-increased-fair-work/101153178
5.2%
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
Anthony Albanese is experiencing a post-election boost not seen since Kevin Rudd was elected in 2007, with the prime minister’s net approval rating up 40 points since Labor’s victory last month.
The first Guardian Essential poll since the 21 May election shows 59% of voters approve of the job Albanese is doing as prime minister, including 19% who “strongly approve”, compared with just 18% who do not. About one in four (23%) say they don’t know.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jun/15/guardian-essential-poll-albanese-enjoys-post-election-approval-boost-last-seen-with-kevin-rudd
That’s interesting. Ta.
so are we basically saying that approval has sfa to do with reliable longer term observable evidence
a leader’s “approval rating” is essentially a measure of a voter’s emotional response to how they feel that the person is managing the country relative to their own individual needs and wants
“Consumer group CHOICE is referring Kmart, Bunnings and The Good Guys to the Office of the Australian Information Commissioner to investigate potential breaches of the Privacy Act over their use of facial recognition technology.
…snip…
CHOICE is also calling on the federal government to create a guide to protect consumers who don’t want their “faceprint” on file.”
——-
Gosh!
——-
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-15/choice-investigation-major-retailers-using-facial-recognition/101153384
Michael V said:
“Consumer group CHOICE is referring Kmart, Bunnings and The Good Guys to the Office of the Australian Information Commissioner to investigate potential breaches of the Privacy Act over their use of facial recognition technology.…snip…
CHOICE is also calling on the federal government to create a guide to protect consumers who don’t want their “faceprint” on file.”
——-
Gosh!
——-https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-15/choice-investigation-major-retailers-using-facial-recognition/101153384
One could stand outside those shops just far enough away to not be in trouble for trespass and sell disguise kits
Cymek said:
Michael V said:
“Consumer group CHOICE is referring Kmart, Bunnings and The Good Guys to the Office of the Australian Information Commissioner to investigate potential breaches of the Privacy Act over their use of facial recognition technology.…snip…
CHOICE is also calling on the federal government to create a guide to protect consumers who don’t want their “faceprint” on file.”
——-
Gosh!
——-https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-15/choice-investigation-major-retailers-using-facial-recognition/101153384
One could stand outside those shops just far enough away to not be in trouble for trespass and sell disguise kits
Would it not be a great thing to see all of the customers in those shops wearing those?
Cymek said:
Michael V said:
“Consumer group CHOICE is referring Kmart, Bunnings and The Good Guys to the Office of the Australian Information Commissioner to investigate potential breaches of the Privacy Act over their use of facial recognition technology.…snip…
CHOICE is also calling on the federal government to create a guide to protect consumers who don’t want their “faceprint” on file.”
——-
Gosh!
——-https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-15/choice-investigation-major-retailers-using-facial-recognition/101153384
One could stand outside those shops just far enough away to not be in trouble for trespass and sell disguise kits
Good business for you.
:)
captain_spalding said:
Cymek said:
Michael V said:
“Consumer group CHOICE is referring Kmart, Bunnings and The Good Guys to the Office of the Australian Information Commissioner to investigate potential breaches of the Privacy Act over their use of facial recognition technology.…snip…
CHOICE is also calling on the federal government to create a guide to protect consumers who don’t want their “faceprint” on file.”
——-
Gosh!
——-https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-15/choice-investigation-major-retailers-using-facial-recognition/101153384
One could stand outside those shops just far enough away to not be in trouble for trespass and sell disguise kits
Would it not be a great thing to see all of the customers in those shops wearing those?
Agreed. It’d be Groucho!
dv said:
Councillors accepted bags of cash from property developer, ICAC told——
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/councillors-accepted-bags-of-cash-from-property-developer-icac-told-20220614-p5atgq.htmlBarnaby reading this thinking “why is ICAC stymying political creativity?”
so yet again bunch of Labor grifters
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
Councillors accepted bags of cash from property developer, ICAC told——
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/councillors-accepted-bags-of-cash-from-property-developer-icac-told-20220614-p5atgq.htmlBarnaby reading this thinking “why is ICAC stymying political creativity?”
so yet again bunch of Labor grifters
This was bipartisan corruption.
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
Councillors accepted bags of cash from property developer, ICAC told——
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/councillors-accepted-bags-of-cash-from-property-developer-icac-told-20220614-p5atgq.htmlBarnaby reading this thinking “why is ICAC stymying political creativity?”
so yet again bunch of Labor grifters
This was bipartisan corruption.
Just a small unexpected gift from a mate, apparently:
“At the time I didn’t think either way whether it was for work, or assistance, already given, or the future. A month later, council was put into administration.”
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
Councillors accepted bags of cash from property developer, ICAC told——
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/councillors-accepted-bags-of-cash-from-property-developer-icac-told-20220614-p5atgq.htmlBarnaby reading this thinking “why is ICAC stymying political creativity?”
so yet again bunch of Labor grifters
This was bipartisan corruption.
Teamwork makes the dreamwork
Michael V said:
“Consumer group CHOICE is referring Kmart, Bunnings and The Good Guys to the Office of the Australian Information Commissioner to investigate potential breaches of the Privacy Act over their use of facial recognition technology.…snip…
CHOICE is also calling on the federal government to create a guide to protect consumers who don’t want their “faceprint” on file.”
——-
Gosh!
——-https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-15/choice-investigation-major-retailers-using-facial-recognition/101153384
One could stand outside those shops just far enough away to not be in trouble for trespass and sell disguise kits
Utter Bunnings!
Ian said:
Michael V said:
“Consumer group CHOICE is referring Kmart, Bunnings and The Good Guys to the Office of the Australian Information Commissioner to investigate potential breaches of the Privacy Act over their use of facial recognition technology.…snip…
CHOICE is also calling on the federal government to create a guide to protect consumers who don’t want their “faceprint” on file.”
——-
Gosh!
——-https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-15/choice-investigation-major-retailers-using-facial-recognition/101153384
Utter Bunnings!
Cymek said:
Michael V said:
“Consumer group CHOICE is referring Kmart, Bunnings and The Good Guys to the Office of the Australian Information Commissioner to investigate potential breaches of the Privacy Act over their use of facial recognition technology.…snip…
CHOICE is also calling on the federal government to create a guide to protect consumers who don’t want their “faceprint” on file.”
——-
Gosh!
——-https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-15/choice-investigation-major-retailers-using-facial-recognition/101153384
One could stand outside those shops just far enough away to not be in trouble for trespass and sell disguise kits
or just wear a surgical mask and a hoodie.
The challenge for the Victorians party, born from lockdown anger
New party hopes to win up to 10 seats in November’s state election, but political insiders and observers have doubts
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jun/11/the-challenge-for-the-victorians-party-born-from-lockdown-anger
Co-founded by Small Business Australia executive director, Bill Lang, Moreland councillor Oscar Yildiz, former AFL footballer Paul Dimattina and businesswoman Ingrid Maynard, the party plans on fielding candidates in all 88 lower house seats and eight upper house regions.
Maynard says she has not been involved in politics prior to joining the Victorians party, and hasn’t voted for either Labor or the Liberals in 20 years.
——
Labor is well ahead in the polls in Victoria, and the pandemic is largely in the rearview mirror for most people, so it is hard to see that “lockdown anger” is going to suddenly flare up again. They are lrobably going to take votes from Liberals, and if they can reduce Libs representation even further then I suppose it’s all good.
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
so yet again bunch of Labor grifters
This was bipartisan corruption.
Teamwork makes the dreamwork
we got pay walled but the 3 names we saw looked Labor to us
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-15/aec-rejects-andrew-constance-s-request-for-gilmore-recount/101154090
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
This was bipartisan corruption.
Teamwork makes the dreamwork
we got pay walled but the 3 names we saw looked Labor to us
“All three councillors served on the former Hurstville council before it merged with the former Kogarah council in 2016. Sansom, a Labor councillor-turned-independent, was not re-elected to the merged Georges River Council. Badalati, a Labor councillor, and Hindi, a Liberal, both won spots on the new council which they held until 2021.”
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
This was bipartisan corruption.
Teamwork makes the dreamwork
we got pay walled but the 3 names we saw looked Labor to us
A Sydney councillor accepted bags filled with a combined $170,000 in cash from a property developer in return for his “help” regarding two multimillion-dollar developments in Hurstville, a corruption inquiry has heard.
The NSW Independent Commission Against Corruption is investigating whether former Georges River and Hurstville councillors, Vince Badalati and Con Hindi, and former Hurstville councillor Philip Sansom, accepted bribes or failed to disclose conflicts of interest linked to planning decisions in Hurstville from 2014 to 2021.
he inquiry is probing whether the former councillors accepted benefits – including overseas flights and accommodation – from developers Ching Wah (Philip) Uy and Wensheng Liu, and businessman Yuqing Liu, in return for planning concessions.
It is also examining whether the three former councillors failed to declare, or properly manage, any conflict of interest arising from their relationships with Uy, Liu and Liu.
In her opening remarks to the inquiry on Tuesday, counsel assisting the commission, Zelie Heger, said the five-week probe would concentrate on planning applications for a block of 75 units on Treacy Street in Hurstville, and the Landmark Square development comprising 357 apartments, a 200-room hotel and a supermarket.
The inquiry heard Badalati, Hindi and Sansom had made numerous decisions linked to the two Hurstville developments during their time as councillors.
In his evidence, Badalati – a former Labor councillor – admitted he had received $70,000 in cash from Uy, a Hurstville real estate agent who was also the sole director of the builder for the Treacy Street apartment block.
Badalati said Uy met him on Paterson Avenue in Kingsgrove and handed him a shopping bag filled with $100 notes sometime in 2015 – the same year the development was approved by a regional planning panel.
“From his boot, he got a bag out and gave it to me. He said, this is for your help on Treacy Street. I was surprised. I said ‘Why?’ And he said ‘Just take it.’
Badalati said he had later called Hindi and said: “Philip gave me money in regards to Treacy Street.”
He said in his evidence that Hindi had “eventually” admitted he also received cash from Uy.
“My belief at the time was that it was Wensheng Liu’s money,” Badalati said.
Badalati told the inquiry Uy met him and Hindi at a park in Rhodes on another occasion in 2016 and had given them $100,000 in cash each.
“He opened his boot and gave us two bags each. ‘Thank you for your assistance on Landmark.’
“At the time I didn’t think either way whether it was for work, or assistance, already given, or the future. A month later, council was put into administration.”
All three councillors served on the former Hurstville council before it merged with the former Kogarah council in 2016. Sansom, a Labor councillor-turned-independent, was not re-elected to the merged Georges River Council. Badalati, a Labor councillor, and Hindi, a Liberal, both won spots on the new council which they held until 2021.
The hearing was told the ICAC would closely examine the circumstance of a trip Badalati, Hindi and Hindi’s wife – a real estate agent – took to China with Uy in April 2016, and who paid for the councillors’ expenses on the trip.
“The trip is important because it occurred only a week before Mr Hindi and Mr Badalati, along with Mr Sansom, voted on both the Treacy Street and Landmark Square developments at a council meeting on April 20,” Heger told the inquiry in her opening submissions.
In her opening remarks, Heger said that, since at least 2007, Badalati and Sansom had met up with Uy in China or Hong Kong fairly regularly, and they spent weekends together “eating, drinking, doing karaoke”.
“Mr Sansom has described these as ‘boys weekends’,” Heger said.
“That fact alone raises a potential conflict, given that from 2014, Mr Sansom and Mr Badalati were considering the Treacy Street developments in their capacities as councillors, but did not declare any conflict of interests in relation to those developments.”
The inquiry continues in front of Commissioner Stephen Rushton.
Megan Gorrey is the Urban Affairs reporter at The Sydney Morning Herald.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-15/nadesalingam-family-meet-pm-after-return-to-biloela/101154338
I wonder what Mr Dutton thinks of this.
thanks, we blame the search engine that gave us all kinds of results in Hindi but not helpfully so
SCIENCE said:
thanks, we blame the search engine that gave us all kinds of results in Hindi but not helpfully so
no probs. took a while to translate it from Hindi though.
ChrispenEvan said:
SCIENCE said:
thanks, we blame the search engine that gave us all kinds of results in Hindi but not helpfully so
no probs. took a while to translate it from Hindi though.
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-15/nadesalingam-family-meet-pm-after-return-to-biloela/101154338I wonder what Mr Dutton thinks of this.
He’d be very cross, I’d reckon.
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-15/nadesalingam-family-meet-pm-after-return-to-biloela/101154338I wonder what Mr Dutton thinks of this.
he can…..
https://theaimn.com/was-angus-taylor-running-dead-or-was-he-not-so-bright/
Angus Taylor was the previous Minister for Energy and Emissions Reduction, and he is arguably one of the best educated people in our parliament, with degrees in Economics, and Law, and a Master of Philosophy (Economics) from Oxford. Each of these degrees is necessarily reliant on the use of facts, and figures, real evidence, and mature reasoning.
There is nothing as disappointing as the failure of clever people, because it signals one of two possible reasons for the failure: An inability to handle really difficult tasks because they are ‘clever’ in a bookish way, but when the going gets hard, they squib it, and come up short.
The other reason is when they are captured by ideology, and/or ambition, and they tailor their contribution so that they fail in their allotted task. This is a form of intellectual self-sabotage, for personal gain.
Morrison’s cabinet was grossly under-resourced, staffed by drones valued for their loyalty to Morrison, rather than for their ability. However, individuals like Greg Hunt, and Angus Taylor stood out, at first glance, as genuinely talented, and yet they both failed in their allotted tasks. Sadly they failed our climate, which later generations will not forgive.
Greg Hunt co-wrote a thesis at Yale titled “A Tax to Make the Polluter Pay“. It was apparently brilliant, and it made a very strong case for a ‘carbon tax’. I could not get past the first page, but it had a catchy message: “it (a carbon tax) better ensures that the polluter bears full responsibility for the cost of his or her conduct.” It seems that as soon as cabinet preferment beckoned, he threw his thesis out with the bathwater.
Similarly, Angus Taylor’s abject failure on reducing emissions came after a stellar education, “the best part of two decades in management consulting”, and yet on reaching parliament he devoted three years to undermining and (pardon the pun) gaslighting Australians on our progress to carbon neutrality.
He even stated, at a rally against wind power in 2013:
“I am not a climate sceptic. For 25 years, I have been concerned about how rising carbon dioxide emissions might have an impact on our climate. It remains a concern of mine today. I do not have a vendetta against renewables.”
His failure is so mysterious. Ben Potter from the Financial Review believes his opposition to wind power dates from when a wind farm was built next door to his family’s property in Cooma.
I can understand that may have annoyed the family, but this is a past Minister of the Crown with such an illogical and unreasoning hatred for a form of power generation that perhaps, instead of continuing to vandalise Australia’s response to climate heating, he should have engaged the services of a competent life coach.
The least he should have done was to step aside from his portfolio, and allow a competent person to step up and actually ‘do the job’. I know, we are talking about the former Coalition government, and there was not one competent person to put up.
dv said:
https://theaimn.com/was-angus-taylor-running-dead-or-was-he-not-so-bright/Angus Taylor was the previous Minister for Energy and Emissions Reduction, and he is arguably one of the best educated people in our parliament, with degrees in Economics, and Law, and a Master of Philosophy (Economics) from Oxford. Each of these degrees is necessarily reliant on the use of facts, and figures, real evidence, and mature reasoning.
There is nothing as disappointing as the failure of clever people, because it signals one of two possible reasons for the failure: An inability to handle really difficult tasks because they are ‘clever’ in a bookish way, but when the going gets hard, they squib it, and come up short.
The other reason is when they are captured by ideology, and/or ambition, and they tailor their contribution so that they fail in their allotted task. This is a form of intellectual self-sabotage, for personal gain.
Morrison’s cabinet was grossly under-resourced, staffed by drones valued for their loyalty to Morrison, rather than for their ability. However, individuals like Greg Hunt, and Angus Taylor stood out, at first glance, as genuinely talented, and yet they both failed in their allotted tasks. Sadly they failed our climate, which later generations will not forgive.
Greg Hunt co-wrote a thesis at Yale titled “A Tax to Make the Polluter Pay“. It was apparently brilliant, and it made a very strong case for a ‘carbon tax’. I could not get past the first page, but it had a catchy message: “it (a carbon tax) better ensures that the polluter bears full responsibility for the cost of his or her conduct.” It seems that as soon as cabinet preferment beckoned, he threw his thesis out with the bathwater.
Similarly, Angus Taylor’s abject failure on reducing emissions came after a stellar education, “the best part of two decades in management consulting”, and yet on reaching parliament he devoted three years to undermining and (pardon the pun) gaslighting Australians on our progress to carbon neutrality.
He even stated, at a rally against wind power in 2013:
“I am not a climate sceptic. For 25 years, I have been concerned about how rising carbon dioxide emissions might have an impact on our climate. It remains a concern of mine today. I do not have a vendetta against renewables.”
His failure is so mysterious. Ben Potter from the Financial Review believes his opposition to wind power dates from when a wind farm was built next door to his family’s property in Cooma.
I can understand that may have annoyed the family, but this is a past Minister of the Crown with such an illogical and unreasoning hatred for a form of power generation that perhaps, instead of continuing to vandalise Australia’s response to climate heating, he should have engaged the services of a competent life coach.
The least he should have done was to step aside from his portfolio, and allow a competent person to step up and actually ‘do the job’. I know, we are talking about the former Coalition government, and there was not one competent person to put up.
Self interest, cowardice and not giving a damn
dv said:
https://theaimn.com/was-angus-taylor-running-dead-or-was-he-not-so-bright/Angus Taylor was the previous Minister for Energy and Emissions Reduction, and he is arguably one of the best educated people in our parliament, with degrees in Economics, and Law, and a Master of Philosophy (Economics) from Oxford. Each of these degrees is necessarily reliant on the use of facts, and figures, real evidence, and mature reasoning.
There is nothing as disappointing as the failure of clever people, because it signals one of two possible reasons for the failure: An inability to handle really difficult tasks because they are ‘clever’ in a bookish way, but when the going gets hard, they squib it, and come up short.
The other reason is when they are captured by ideology, and/or ambition, and they tailor their contribution so that they fail in their allotted task. This is a form of intellectual self-sabotage, for personal gain.
Morrison’s cabinet was grossly under-resourced, staffed by drones valued for their loyalty to Morrison, rather than for their ability. However, individuals like Greg Hunt, and Angus Taylor stood out, at first glance, as genuinely talented, and yet they both failed in their allotted tasks. Sadly they failed our climate, which later generations will not forgive.
Greg Hunt co-wrote a thesis at Yale titled “A Tax to Make the Polluter Pay“. It was apparently brilliant, and it made a very strong case for a ‘carbon tax’. I could not get past the first page, but it had a catchy message: “it (a carbon tax) better ensures that the polluter bears full responsibility for the cost of his or her conduct.” It seems that as soon as cabinet preferment beckoned, he threw his thesis out with the bathwater.
Similarly, Angus Taylor’s abject failure on reducing emissions came after a stellar education, “the best part of two decades in management consulting”, and yet on reaching parliament he devoted three years to undermining and (pardon the pun) gaslighting Australians on our progress to carbon neutrality.
He even stated, at a rally against wind power in 2013:
“I am not a climate sceptic. For 25 years, I have been concerned about how rising carbon dioxide emissions might have an impact on our climate. It remains a concern of mine today. I do not have a vendetta against renewables.”
His failure is so mysterious. Ben Potter from the Financial Review believes his opposition to wind power dates from when a wind farm was built next door to his family’s property in Cooma.
I can understand that may have annoyed the family, but this is a past Minister of the Crown with such an illogical and unreasoning hatred for a form of power generation that perhaps, instead of continuing to vandalise Australia’s response to climate heating, he should have engaged the services of a competent life coach.
The least he should have done was to step aside from his portfolio, and allow a competent person to step up and actually ‘do the job’. I know, we are talking about the former Coalition government, and there was not one competent person to put up.
>>Angus Taylor’s abject failure on reducing emissions
This would suggest that the only abject failure is the authors.
He wants to perpetuate a myth.
I’m sure there has been failures by governments, governments around the world and in Australia.
If you’ve never made a mistake you’ve never made anything etc etc.
But abject failure on emissions is just nuts.
dv said:
https://theaimn.com/was-angus-taylor-running-dead-or-was-he-not-so-bright/Angus Taylor was the previous Minister for Energy and Emissions Reduction, and he is arguably one of the best educated people in our parliament, with degrees in Economics, and Law, and a Master of Philosophy (Economics) from Oxford. Each of these degrees is necessarily reliant on the use of facts, and figures, real evidence, and mature reasoning.
There is nothing as disappointing as the failure of clever people, because it signals one of two possible reasons for the failure: An inability to handle really difficult tasks because they are ‘clever’ in a bookish way, but when the going gets hard, they squib it, and come up short.
The other reason is when they are captured by ideology, and/or ambition, and they tailor their contribution so that they fail in their allotted task. This is a form of intellectual self-sabotage, for personal gain.
Morrison’s cabinet was grossly under-resourced, staffed by drones valued for their loyalty to Morrison, rather than for their ability. However, individuals like Greg Hunt, and Angus Taylor stood out, at first glance, as genuinely talented, and yet they both failed in their allotted tasks. Sadly they failed our climate, which later generations will not forgive.
Greg Hunt co-wrote a thesis at Yale titled “A Tax to Make the Polluter Pay“. It was apparently brilliant, and it made a very strong case for a ‘carbon tax’. I could not get past the first page, but it had a catchy message: “it (a carbon tax) better ensures that the polluter bears full responsibility for the cost of his or her conduct.” It seems that as soon as cabinet preferment beckoned, he threw his thesis out with the bathwater.
Similarly, Angus Taylor’s abject failure on reducing emissions came after a stellar education, “the best part of two decades in management consulting”, and yet on reaching parliament he devoted three years to undermining and (pardon the pun) gaslighting Australians on our progress to carbon neutrality.
He even stated, at a rally against wind power in 2013:
“I am not a climate sceptic. For 25 years, I have been concerned about how rising carbon dioxide emissions might have an impact on our climate. It remains a concern of mine today. I do not have a vendetta against renewables.”
His failure is so mysterious. Ben Potter from the Financial Review believes his opposition to wind power dates from when a wind farm was built next door to his family’s property in Cooma.
I can understand that may have annoyed the family, but this is a past Minister of the Crown with such an illogical and unreasoning hatred for a form of power generation that perhaps, instead of continuing to vandalise Australia’s response to climate heating, he should have engaged the services of a competent life coach.
The least he should have done was to step aside from his portfolio, and allow a competent person to step up and actually ‘do the job’. I know, we are talking about the former Coalition government, and there was not one competent person to put up.
A couple of big surprises for me there.
Peak Warming Man said:
But abject failure on emissions is just nuts.
In what way?
The Rev Dodgson said:
Peak Warming Man said:But abject failure on emissions is just nuts.
In what way?
The previous government met and beat their emission targets.
Peak Warming Man said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Peak Warming Man said:But abject failure on emissions is just nuts.
In what way?
The previous government met and beat their emission targets.
But their emissions targets were ridiculously low.
And the only governments doing anything effective to reduce emissions were the state governments (including the Lib led ones, to be fair).
And the only reason they met the target was covid.
And they did nothing other than Snowy Hydro to prepare for getting past the low hanging fruit phase.
And next to nothing on reducing the energy demand.
Shall I go on?
sarahs mum said:
Dutton: “Face, bothered? Does my face look bothered??”
sarahs mum said:
:)
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/dec/07/coalition-claims-it-will-meet-paris-climate-targets-but-only-by-using-accounting-loophole
The Rev Dodgson said:
Peak Warming Man said:
The Rev Dodgson said:In what way?
The previous government met and beat their emission targets.
But their emissions targets were ridiculously low.
And the only governments doing anything effective to reduce emissions were the state governments (including the Lib led ones, to be fair).
And the only reason they met the target was covid.
And they did nothing other than Snowy Hydro to prepare for getting past the low hanging fruit phase.
And next to nothing on reducing the energy demand.Shall I go on?
Yes by all means, keep the hand waving going.
Peak Warming Man said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Peak Warming Man said:The previous government met and beat their emission targets.
But their emissions targets were ridiculously low.
And the only governments doing anything effective to reduce emissions were the state governments (including the Lib led ones, to be fair).
And the only reason they met the target was covid.
And they did nothing other than Snowy Hydro to prepare for getting past the low hanging fruit phase.
And next to nothing on reducing the energy demand.Shall I go on?
Yes by all means, keep the hand waving going.
It seems I would be just wasting my time, so I shall leave it there.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Peak Warming Man said:
The Rev Dodgson said:But their emissions targets were ridiculously low.
And the only governments doing anything effective to reduce emissions were the state governments (including the Lib led ones, to be fair).
And the only reason they met the target was covid.
And they did nothing other than Snowy Hydro to prepare for getting past the low hanging fruit phase.
And next to nothing on reducing the energy demand.Shall I go on?
Yes by all means, keep the hand waving going.
It seems I would be just wasting my time, so I shall leave it there.
probably best as you’ll never get anything concrete…
ChrispenEvan said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Peak Warming Man said:Yes by all means, keep the hand waving going.
It seems I would be just wasting my time, so I shall leave it there.
probably best as you’ll never get anything concrete…
no matter how much I reinforced my arguments.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Peak Warming Man said:
The Rev Dodgson said:But their emissions targets were ridiculously low.
And the only governments doing anything effective to reduce emissions were the state governments (including the Lib led ones, to be fair).
And the only reason they met the target was covid.
And they did nothing other than Snowy Hydro to prepare for getting past the low hanging fruit phase.
And next to nothing on reducing the energy demand.Shall I go on?
Yes by all means, keep the hand waving going.
It seems I would be just wasting my time, so I shall leave it there.
PWM’s learned nothing but a few Liberal MPs (and ex-MPs) might be seeing sense:
Trent Zimmerman says Liberals should embrace Labor’s climate policy
The outgoing Liberal moderate Trent Zimmerman says his former colleagues should embrace Labor’s 43% emissions reduction target if the Coalition wants to win back the Liberal party’s progressive heartland at the next federal election.
…When the Queensland National Matt Canavan declared during the campaign that the government’s net zero target by 2050 was “dead”, that was “one of the killer moments for us”, Zimmerman said.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/may/30/trent-zimmerman-says-liberals-should-embrace-labors-climate-policy
The Rev Dodgson said:
ChrispenEvan said:
The Rev Dodgson said:It seems I would be just wasting my time, so I shall leave it there.
probably best as you’ll never get anything concrete…
no matter how much I reinforced my arguments.
Steel at least you tried
Bubblecar said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Peak Warming Man said:Yes by all means, keep the hand waving going.
It seems I would be just wasting my time, so I shall leave it there.
PWM’s learned nothing but a few Liberal MPs (and ex-MPs) might be seeing sense:
Trent Zimmerman says Liberals should embrace Labor’s climate policy
The outgoing Liberal moderate Trent Zimmerman says his former colleagues should embrace Labor’s 43% emissions reduction target if the Coalition wants to win back the Liberal party’s progressive heartland at the next federal election.
…When the Queensland National Matt Canavan declared during the campaign that the government’s net zero target by 2050 was “dead”, that was “one of the killer moments for us”, Zimmerman said.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/may/30/trent-zimmerman-says-liberals-should-embrace-labors-climate-policy
It’s still about winning the election not the actual doing it because it’s the bare minimum to perhaps lessen climate change
Cymek said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
ChrispenEvan said:probably best as you’ll never get anything concrete…
no matter how much I reinforced my arguments.
Steel at least you tried
I have to confess; my steel design is a bit rusty these days.
https://www.georgechristensen.com.au/nation-first
Took a little dive into this site and some of the comments and links.
ChrispenEvan said:
https://www.georgechristensen.com.au/nation-firstTook a little dive into this site and some of the comments and links.
You’re an unsung hero.
sibeen said:
ChrispenEvan said:
https://www.georgechristensen.com.au/nation-firstTook a little dive into this site and some of the comments and links.
You’re an unsung hero.
Apparently there was nothing worth reporting back on.
ChrispenEvan said:
https://www.georgechristensen.com.au/nation-firstTook a little dive into this site and some of the comments and links.
Good for you…
dv said:
ChrispenEvan said:
https://www.georgechristensen.com.au/nation-firstTook a little dive into this site and some of the comments and links.
Good for you…
You’re an unsung hero.
I’m the Gunga Din of the forum.
dv said:
Ahhh….goes running into the hills. That’s what we really need, a couple* of extremely wealthy dickheads setting up a political party. What could possibly go wrong?
* Especially when one of them is a psychopath.
sibeen said:
dv said:
Ahhh….goes running into the hills. That’s what we really need, a couple* of extremely wealthy dickheads setting up a political party. What could possibly go wrong?
* Especially when one of them is a psychopath.
I think SHaC is being sarcastic as his politics is very much to the left of Musk.
sibeen said:
ChrispenEvan said:
https://www.georgechristensen.com.au/nation-firstTook a little dive into this site and some of the comments and links.
You’re an unsung hero.
He’s gonna need some streptomycin.
Kingy said:
sibeen said:
ChrispenEvan said:
https://www.georgechristensen.com.au/nation-firstTook a little dive into this site and some of the comments and links.
You’re an unsung hero.
He’s gonna need some streptomycin.
Pffft Ivermectin if you don’t mind!
Retired MP Andrew Laming slams Scott Morrison as a bully
13 hours ago — ‘He is a bully and a man baby’: Laming says ex-PM Morrison laid threats and was like a landmine.
https://www.couriermail.com.au/questnews/redlands/he-is-a-bully-and-a-man-baby-laming-says-expm-morrison-laid-threats-and-was-like-a-landmine/news-story/41057876f57c64f7d702cdb2a6f09246?amp
dv said:
Retired MP Andrew Laming slams Scott Morrison as a bully13 hours ago — ‘He is a bully and a man baby’: Laming says ex-PM Morrison laid threats and was like a landmine.
https://www.couriermail.com.au/questnews/redlands/he-is-a-bully-and-a-man-baby-laming-says-expm-morrison-laid-threats-and-was-like-a-landmine/news-story/41057876f57c64f7d702cdb2a6f09246?amp
Yeah. We knew that.
dv said:
Retired MP Andrew Laming slams Scott Morrison as a bully13 hours ago — ‘He is a bully and a man baby’: Laming says ex-PM Morrison laid threats and was like a landmine.
https://www.couriermail.com.au/questnews/redlands/he-is-a-bully-and-a-man-baby-laming-says-expm-morrison-laid-threats-and-was-like-a-landmine/news-story/41057876f57c64f7d702cdb2a6f09246?amp
Paywalled.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jun/17/former-labor-pm-paul-keating-urged-victorian-premier-reach-out-to-his-nsw-counterpart
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/jun/16/australian-border-force-searched-more-than-40000-mobile-devices-in-five-years-data-shows
roughbarked said:
dv said:
Retired MP Andrew Laming slams Scott Morrison as a bully13 hours ago — ‘He is a bully and a man baby’: Laming says ex-PM Morrison laid threats and was like a landmine.
https://www.couriermail.com.au/questnews/redlands/he-is-a-bully-and-a-man-baby-laming-says-expm-morrison-laid-threats-and-was-like-a-landmine/news-story/41057876f57c64f7d702cdb2a6f09246?amp
Yeah. We knew that.
He’s a bit slow on the uptake
Prime Minister says gas generators were ‘gaming’ the energy crisis and threatening supply
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-17/prime-minister-says-gas-generators-gamed-crisis/101160492
dv said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:
Retired MP Andrew Laming slams Scott Morrison as a bully13 hours ago — ‘He is a bully and a man baby’: Laming says ex-PM Morrison laid threats and was like a landmine.
https://www.couriermail.com.au/questnews/redlands/he-is-a-bully-and-a-man-baby-laming-says-expm-morrison-laid-threats-and-was-like-a-landmine/news-story/41057876f57c64f7d702cdb2a6f09246?amp
Yeah. We knew that.
He’s a bit slow on the uptake
It’s hard to believe he’s age he is, a few years older than me but the polar opposite on everything I believe in and like.
dv said:
Prime Minister says gas generators were ‘gaming’ the energy crisis and threatening supply
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-17/prime-minister-says-gas-generators-gamed-crisis/101160492
guess they could game a carbon tax too
Some generators withdrew from the market this week, after soaring power prices were capped, and were then compensated by the market operator when directed to pump power into the network.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-17/energy-crisis-gripping-australia-east-solution-western-australia/101159102
An article on WA’s domestic gas reservation system and advocacy for the Eastern States to have the same
dv said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:
Retired MP Andrew Laming slams Scott Morrison as a bully
13 hours ago — ‘He is a bully and a man baby’: Laming says ex-PM Morrison laid threats and was like a landmine.
Yeah. We knew that.
He’s a bit slow on the uptake
where “slow on the uptake” means ahead of the curve right
history of unpredictable behaviour which included recent reports of online harassment of women and taking an “inappropriate” photograph
oh actually wait it’s not cool to make fun of people with disability and he told us he had ADHD so it’s all right then
SCIENCE said:
dv said:roughbarked said:
Yeah. We knew that.
He’s a bit slow on the uptake
where “slow on the uptake” means ahead of the curve right
history of unpredictable behaviour which included recent reports of online harassment of women and taking an “inappropriate” photograph
oh actually wait it’s not cool to make fun of people with disability and he told us he had ADHD so it’s all right then
Cymek said:
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
He’s a bit slow on the uptake
where “slow on the uptake” means ahead of the curve right
history of unpredictable behaviour which included recent reports of online harassment of women and taking an “inappropriate” photograph
oh actually wait it’s not cool to make fun of people with disability and he told us he had ADHD so it’s all right then
sorry, illness, medical condition, we d’n‘o’ what the p’c’ term for it’s
SCIENCE said:
Cymek said:
SCIENCE said:
where “slow on the uptake” means ahead of the curve right
history of unpredictable behaviour which included recent reports of online harassment of women and taking an “inappropriate” photograph
oh actually wait it’s not cool to make fun of people with disability and he told us he had ADHD so it’s all right then
sorry, illness, medical condition, we d’n‘o’ what the p’c’ term for it’s
The worry is we become so PC that we can’t or aren’t allowed to call someone(s) out for being a prick and their condition is irrelevant.
Certain behaviours and actions aren’t acceptable from human beings (based on what I am not sure, decency ?) all else rescinded
Cymek said:
SCIENCE said:
Cymek said:
sorry, illness, medical condition, we d’n‘o’ what the p’c’ term for it’s
The worry is we become so PC that we can’t or aren’t allowed to call someone(s) out for being a prick and their condition is irrelevant.
Certain behaviours and actions aren’t acceptable from human beings (based on what I am not sure, decency ?) all else rescinded
we saw an ad’ on t’v’ once, only once or perhaps twice, many years ago, showed some people in wheelchairs, showed same people being arseholes, the punchline was something like whether people are disabled or not they can still be arseholes, but we haven’t been able to find it again since
dv said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-17/energy-crisis-gripping-australia-east-solution-western-australia/101159102An article on WA’s domestic gas reservation system and advocacy for the Eastern States to have the same
the difference is that WA did this two decades ago.. the only way a reservation policy like that would work in the East is if it applied to new projects only…
dv said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:
Retired MP Andrew Laming slams Scott Morrison as a bully13 hours ago — ‘He is a bully and a man baby’: Laming says ex-PM Morrison laid threats and was like a landmine.
https://www.couriermail.com.au/questnews/redlands/he-is-a-bully-and-a-man-baby-laming-says-expm-morrison-laid-threats-and-was-like-a-landmine/news-story/41057876f57c64f7d702cdb2a6f09246?amp
Yeah. We knew that.
He’s a bit slow on the uptake
but quick on the upskirt.
Federal Education Minister Jason Clare to take compulsory religion out of school chaplaincy program
The Albanese Labor government is ending the compulsory religious aspect of the $60 million a year National School Chaplaincy Program, giving schools a choice of chaplain or professionally-qualified student welfare officer.
https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/7780960/schools-choice-labor-to-put-secular-back-into-chaplaincy-program
dv said:
Federal Education Minister Jason Clare to take compulsory religion out of school chaplaincy programThe Albanese Labor government is ending the compulsory religious aspect of the $60 million a year National School Chaplaincy Program, giving schools a choice of chaplain or professionally-qualified student welfare officer.
https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/7780960/schools-choice-labor-to-put-secular-back-into-chaplaincy-program
Thank goodness for that.
dv said:
Federal Education Minister Jason Clare to take compulsory religion out of school chaplaincy programThe Albanese Labor government is ending the compulsory religious aspect of the $60 million a year National School Chaplaincy Program, giving schools a choice of chaplain or professionally-qualified student welfare officer.
https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/7780960/schools-choice-labor-to-put-secular-back-into-chaplaincy-program
good. some sanity.
Pauline got back in
Cymek said:
Pauline got back in
sibeen leaving the door unlocked, slackarse.
Good job, Qld.
Cymek said:
Pauline got back in
you can’t expect all the news to be good
sarahs mum said:
Cymek said:
Pauline got back in
you can’t expect all the news to be good
bloody Labor!!!
I suppose all we can be glad of is that least she will be irrelevant in this parliament.
Kev Bonham notes that she actually did well enough to be elected 5th rather than 6th. The 6th seat went to Labor’s Anthony Chisholm.
Who holds the balance of power?
Kev Bomham also notes that on a two party basis the results would be 84-67.
What we’re the trigger bills for the 2016 double dissolution election? Memory fails me and wiki is no help.
Witty Rejoinder said:
What we’re the trigger bills for the 2016 double dissolution election? Memory fails me and wiki is no help.
Building and Construction Industry (Improving Productivity) Bill 2013
Building and Construction Industry (Consequential and Transitional Provisions) Bill 2013
Fair Work (Registered Organisations) Amendment Bill 2014
furious said:
- I suppose all we can be glad of is that least she will be irrelevant in this parliament.
Who holds the balance of power?
Technically the ALP, given that the Greens and Pocock are to their left.
Victorian and NSW senate results will be announced on Monday.
No word yet on the timing of WA.
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
What we’re the trigger bills for the 2016 double dissolution election? Memory fails me and wiki is no help.
Building and Construction Industry (Improving Productivity) Bill 2013
Building and Construction Industry (Consequential and Transitional Provisions) Bill 2013
Fair Work (Registered Organisations) Amendment Bill 2014
Thanks.
dv said:
Federal Education Minister Jason Clare to take compulsory religion out of school chaplaincy programThe Albanese Labor government is ending the compulsory religious aspect of the $60 million a year National School Chaplaincy Program, giving schools a choice of chaplain or professionally-qualified student welfare officer.
https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/7780960/schools-choice-labor-to-put-secular-back-into-chaplaincy-program
Halfway is good for starters.
Cymek said:
Pauline got back in
Bugger.
weakling
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-17/national-cabinet-covid-health-funding-extended/101160740
Extra health funding handed to the states during the height of the COVID pandemic will continue until the end of the year, with new Prime Minister Anthony Albanese bowing to demands from the states for the money.
what a fool, the pandemic is over, why the fuck would they need funding
This is a sad and difficult time for Ian the Climate Denialist Potato after he tragically lost his senate seat
First Dog on the Moon
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jun/17/this-is-a-sad-and-difficult-time-for-ian-the-climate-denialist-potato-after-he-tragically-lost-his-senate-seat
In Qld, Cannabis got 5.3% of the primary vote but got up to about 8% with preferences before being excluded. This is quite a big up tick for them, last time they got 1.7%.
dv said:
In Qld, Cannabis got 5.3% of the primary vote but got up to about 8% with preferences before being excluded. This is quite a big up tick for them, last time they got 1.7%.
Cannabis got the 6th preference vote on my Senate ballot paper, only because I had to pick some at 6th to cast a valid vote. After about 4 the quality of options left dropped off a cliff.
dv said:
In Qld, Cannabis got 5.3% of the primary vote but got up to about 8% with preferences before being excluded. This is quite a big up tick for them, last time they got 1.7%.
A new high
Ian said:
dv said:
In Qld, Cannabis got 5.3% of the primary vote but got up to about 8% with preferences before being excluded. This is quite a big up tick for them, last time they got 1.7%.
A new high
You dope.
sibeen said:
Ian said:
dv said:
In Qld, Cannabis got 5.3% of the primary vote but got up to about 8% with preferences before being excluded. This is quite a big up tick for them, last time they got 1.7%.
A new high
You dope.
Groan…
Kingy said:
sibeen said:
Ian said:A new high
You dope.
Groan…
inhale deeply
SCIENCE said:
Kingy said:
sibeen said:You dope.
Groan…
inhale deeply
Homegroan
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
Kingy said:Groan…
inhale deeply
Homegroan
we’re talking hydro in the chat thread.
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:
SCIENCE said:inhale deeply
Homegroan
we’re talking hydro in the chat thread.
another rehash is it
Somehow, I quite forgot that Glenn Lazarus was Palmer United Party’s Senate Leader, with Jacqui Lambie as his deputy. Both left PUP to form their own parties soon enough. Glenn Lazarus Team only got about 2% at the 2016 election in Qld. Second on his Senate ticket was Kerrod Walters. PUP’s Senate Whip Dio Wang stayed with PUP right up until the election, only joining the Liberal party after he was already out of office.
dv said:
Somehow, I quite forgot that Glenn Lazarus was Palmer United Party’s Senate Leader, with Jacqui Lambie as his deputy. Both left PUP to form their own parties soon enough. Glenn Lazarus Team only got about 2% at the 2016 election in Qld. Second on his Senate ticket was Kerrod Walters. PUP’s Senate Whip Dio Wang stayed with PUP right up until the election, only joining the Liberal party after he was already out of office.
God’s penis was Clive Palmer’s whip? This just got weird…
furious said:
dv said:
Somehow, I quite forgot that Glenn Lazarus was Palmer United Party’s Senate Leader, with Jacqui Lambie as his deputy. Both left PUP to form their own parties soon enough. Glenn Lazarus Team only got about 2% at the 2016 election in Qld. Second on his Senate ticket was Kerrod Walters. PUP’s Senate Whip Dio Wang stayed with PUP right up until the election, only joining the Liberal party after he was already out of office.
God’s penis was Clive Palmer’s whip? This just got weird…
When was anything about Palmer not weird?
ChrispenEvan said:
Yeah, that’s pretty much it.
captain_spalding said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Yeah, that’s pretty much it.
but we were laughing when CHINA had their blackouts and we
oh wait yeah that’s right they banned those
wait
wait
ChrispenEvan said:
LOL
dv said:
Fair comment.
ABC News:
‘‘You should feel safe’: NSW government promises major women’s package in budget
The Premier says he wants his government to do better for women, promising a $100 million investment on safety in public places, at home and in the workplace as part of next week’s budget.’
And
‘Billions in NSW budget for Premier’s social agenda a bid to appeal to disaffected Coalition voters, expert says’
And
‘More incentives for regional move as part of NSW government’s $883m for rural and regional healthcare’
By crikey, the massacre of the L/NP in the Federal election has certainly scared the shit out of the NSW Libs.
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘‘You should feel safe’: NSW government promises major women’s package in budget
The Premier says he wants his government to do better for women, promising a $100 million investment on safety in public places, at home and in the workplace as part of next week’s budget.’
And
‘Billions in NSW budget for Premier’s social agenda a bid to appeal to disaffected Coalition voters, expert says’
And
‘More incentives for regional move as part of NSW government’s $883m for rural and regional healthcare’
By crikey, the massacre of the L/NP in the Federal election has certainly scared the shit out of the NSW Libs.
good
dv said:
Hehehehe
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-18/nsw-premier-perrottet-defends-john-barilaro-us-trade-envoy-job/101164950
$400,000p/a plus a $50m budget to plunder. What could possibly go wrong?
sibeen said:
dv said:
Hehehehe
In seriousness, though, one thing that is important to bear in mind is that right now the ALP holds the balance of power in the Senate: not the Greens of Lamsci. The political median of the Senate particularly in terms of climate issues is the Labor party. It is a completely different dynamic from when a centrist party holds the balance, which forces the government to negotiate a position closer to the Senate. Without the Greens’s support, Labor has the option to negotiate with the JLT, or failing that to try to get something done with the Libs.
If with the support of the Greens the ALP can bring in the ALP’s climate policy after 9 years in the wilderness, the Greens should count that as an absolute win.
Greens OR Lamsci.
Typo
This English mf is complaining on AEC Twitter account about how long it is taking to get results from the upper house elections.
Think about that.
dv said:
This English mf is complaining on AEC Twitter account about how long it is taking to get results from the upper house elections.
Think about that.
Err , who the fuck is the wanker?
Huge swing to LNP in Callide by election
way to the left
SCIENCE said:
way to the left
Looks like maybe a 7% swing to the right. Going to be 74-26 in LNP’s favour or something like that.
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
way to the left
Looks like maybe a 7% swing to the right. Going to be 74-26 in LNP’s favour or something like that.
One Nation + Katter got about 25% of the vote between them. This is Queensland.
dv said:
Huge swing to LNP in Callide by election
So are voters really blaming the government that’s been in power for about 5 minutes for all the electricity supply problems, or what?
dv said:
Huge swing to LNP in Callide by election
Have they already forgiven the LNP for locking up the Bilo family for years?
John “Pork” Barilaro lands $400k NSW Trade Envoy job.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-18/nsw-premier-perrottet-defends-john-barilaro-us-trade-envoy-job/101164950
Michael V said:
John “Pork” Barilaro lands $400k NSW Trade Envoy job.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-18/nsw-premier-perrottet-defends-john-barilaro-us-trade-envoy-job/101164950
Standing by his mate, when he’s in a bind.
Perrottet is just true blue.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:
John “Pork” Barilaro lands $400k NSW Trade Envoy job.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-18/nsw-premier-perrottet-defends-john-barilaro-us-trade-envoy-job/101164950
Standing by his mate, when he’s in a bind.
Perrottet is just true blue.
Nice adaptation.
:)
sibeen said:
dv said:
This English mf is complaining on AEC Twitter account about how long it is taking to get results from the upper house elections.
Think about that.
Err , who the fuck is the wanker?
https://www.astro.ex.ac.uk/people/blewis/
The main focus of my work is using radiation magnetohydrodynamics to simulate how a molecular cloud core collapses and evolves into a protostar, concentrating on parameter space analyses of the magnetic field geometry and strength and the initial velocity field of the core.
In parallel, I also explore how smoothed particle (radiation) magnetohydrodynamics meth- ods can be expanded and improved, for instance in the presence of very large density gra- dients or complicated magnetic field geometries.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Huge swing to LNP in Callide by election
So are voters really blaming the government that’s been in power for about 5 minutes for all the electricity supply problems, or what?
I can’t say what the issue was.
we think we’re going to have to fucking kill ourselves now, seems we have a point of agreement with NSW Corruption on this
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-19/sydney-harbour-bridge-aboriginal-flag-25-million/101165564
NSW Premier Dominic Perrottet says the estimated $25 million to permanently install the Aboriginal flag on the Sydney Harbour Bridge is a “small price to pay” for unity. Mr Perrottet said he is not sure why the project costs so much, but backed it as an “important decision” for state.
Former premier Gladys Berejiklian had resisted calls for the flag to be permanently flown during her tenure. The plan was formally announced by the government in February, and came after a petition led by Indigenous artist Cheree Toka which gained 177,000 signatures.
dv said:
Wouldn’t it be lovely to have a 26 year $10 million tenure with the knowledge that all that’s required of you is to tell the peasantry to get f***ed?
dv said:
No wonder they are smiling.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
Wouldn’t it be lovely to have a 26 year $10 million tenure with the knowledge that all that’s required of you is to tell the peasantry to get f***ed?
They seem to be rather peculiar contracts. Can the other commissioners demand their contracts also be adjusted to finish at age 65?
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
Wouldn’t it be lovely to have a 26 year $10 million tenure with the knowledge that all that’s required of you is to tell the peasantry to get f***ed?
Taxpayers paying someone to tell them to get fucked.
Why not just stick sign on their electoral office window, Get Fucked. and the Government takes the money back.
dv said:
Let’s get creative here…
Establish a new commission called The Fair Working Commission of Australia and staff it with your own appointees.
Declare the FWC defunct.
Introduce a new 100% income tax for any employees of a defunct Federal body still receiving a stipend for pay without work.
Technically, no law has been broken and no contract breached. They are still employed at full salary for the duration, but taxed at 100%. One statement per year to be printed out. And yes, that salary counts towards their other taxable income, unless they want to resign.
roughbarked said:
dv said:
No wonder they are smiling.
meanwhile the new new newstart program says that being in full time study or working for the dole is not enough points to get the dole and you will still need to apply for so many jobs or go to interviews to qualify.
dv said:
Hold on a second here, poor Alana was only made a Deputy Director of the FWC. It’s not as if they made her a full Director, FFS. She’ll probably have to get a second job at Wollies.
sibeen said:
dv said:
Hold on a second here, poor Alana was only made a Deputy Director of the FWC. It’s not as if they made her a full Director, FFS. She’ll probably have to get a second job at Wollies.
ahhhh so that is why there was a 5.2 and a 4.6% rise in wages…
https://fb.watch/dLP4brm3ho/
Turnbull vs Paul Kelly on climate change (2020)
dv said:
https://fb.watch/dLP4brm3ho/Turnbull vs Paul Kelly on climate change (2020)
“How dare you…”
Roffle
dv said:
https://fb.watch/dLP4brm3ho/Turnbull vs Paul Kelly on climate change (2020)
So which one of those is a climate scientist?
buffy said:
dv said:
https://fb.watch/dLP4brm3ho/Turnbull vs Paul Kelly on climate change (2020)
So which one of those is a climate scientist?
Neither, obviously. I think neither of them is a physicist either but I’d hope both of them reckon gravity is a thing.
NEW SOUTH WALES
Inquiry to be launched into Barilaro’s commissioner appointment
NSW Labor leader Chris Minns has announced an inquiry through the NSW upper house into the appointment of former NSW deputy premier John Barilaro as senior trade and investment commissioner to the Americas, which was announced last Friday afternoon.
“This represents everything that’s wrong with the NSW Liberals and Nationals after 11 in government. This is Dominic Perrottet’s captain’s pick and he will be held accountable,” Minns said in a tweet.
Barilaro was among the state politicians responsible for Investment NSW when it was first set up in early 2021. The other ministers who were responsible for the office were then-premier Gladys Berejiklian and then-jobs minister Stuart Ayres.
NSW premier Dominic Perrottet has defended the appointment, saying Barilaro was the best candidate for the role.
“It doesn’t come as any surprise to me that the independent process that occurred, that he was by far the most outstanding candidate and recommended by that panel to the government and I’m sure he will do a brilliant job,” the premier said.
The process of the appointment was conducted by recruitment firm NGS Global, which the government described as a ‘highly competitive and rigorous global talent search’ in a media release.
Within the same statement, Ayres said Barilaro was well-suited to the role.
“John Barilaro’s specialised experience, first as a NSW business owner and then as trade & industry minister overseeing the NSW Trade Statement and the blueprint for expanding international trade and investment opportunities, make him well qualified for this posting,” Ayres said.
https://www.themandarin.com.au/192685-inquiry-to-be-launched-into-barilaros-commissioner-appointment/
this so-called “doctor” knows nothing and is probably lying
https://www.3aw.com.au/doctor-who-was-floored-by-long-covid-calls-for-national-re-think/
She said it wasn’t a “particularly severe” case.
“But it ended up that virtually every day I’d start the day and have a couple of hours being pretty good and functional and then, all of a sudden, I’d find myself back in bed at about 11am and would have to set my alarm to go and pick up my boys from school at 2.45 in the afternoon.
“It really had an absolutely terrible effect on my ability to function,” she said.
“The ideal of number of times to get COVID is zero,” she said.
dv said:
NEW SOUTH WALES
Inquiry to be launched into Barilaro’s commissioner appointmentNSW Labor leader Chris Minns has announced an inquiry through the NSW upper house into the appointment of former NSW deputy premier John Barilaro as senior trade and investment commissioner to the Americas, which was announced last Friday afternoon.
“This represents everything that’s wrong with the NSW Liberals and Nationals after 11 in government. This is Dominic Perrottet’s captain’s pick and he will be held accountable,” Minns said in a tweet.
Barilaro was among the state politicians responsible for Investment NSW when it was first set up in early 2021. The other ministers who were responsible for the office were then-premier Gladys Berejiklian and then-jobs minister Stuart Ayres.
NSW premier Dominic Perrottet has defended the appointment, saying Barilaro was the best candidate for the role.
“It doesn’t come as any surprise to me that the independent process that occurred, that he was by far the most outstanding candidate and recommended by that panel to the government and I’m sure he will do a brilliant job,” the premier said.
The process of the appointment was conducted by recruitment firm NGS Global, which the government described as a ‘highly competitive and rigorous global talent search’ in a media release.
Within the same statement, Ayres said Barilaro was well-suited to the role.
“John Barilaro’s specialised experience, first as a NSW business owner and then as trade & industry minister overseeing the NSW Trade Statement and the blueprint for expanding international trade and investment opportunities, make him well qualified for this posting,” Ayres said.
https://www.themandarin.com.au/192685-inquiry-to-be-launched-into-barilaros-commissioner-appointment/
Makes you wonder where the fingers of crime pernitrate into NSW politics.
One of the complaints about the end of group ticket voting in the senate is that it would be the end of minor parties as only the Coalition, ALP and Greens could tap the threshold. But we’ve now had two successive half senate elections without it and there are three other minor minor parties in the senate (ON, UAP, JLN) as well as an independent.
The new system still allows votes of like minded parties to accumulate (indeed UAP rolled up from a primary vote of 4% in Victoria). It just doesn’t let someone with a fraction of a percent of the vote accumulate random prefs from parties with no common interests to win a senate slot.
buffy said:
dv said:
https://fb.watch/dLP4brm3ho/Turnbull vs Paul Kelly on climate change (2020)
So which one of those is a climate scientist?
Still denying the science Buffy?
Witty Rejoinder said:
buffy said:
dv said:
Turnbull vs Paul Kelly on climate change (2020)
So which one of those is a climate scientist?
Still denying the science Buffy?
gates gotta be kept
The last time the left side of the table (ALP and those further left) held a majority in the Senate was 2010 to 2013, thanks to Tasmania having 6 ALP Senators and 2 Greens.
Before that you have to go back to 1949, when proportional representation first came in. In the previous election, Labor held all but 3 senate seats (due to block voting) and a lot of those were carried forth.
So this is the second Senate in history fully elected under proportional representation in which the left, broadly defined, have held a majority.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jun/20/peter-dutton-asks-high-court-for-permission-to-appeal-defamation-case-loss-to-shane-bazzi
New Senator Fatima Payman’s father was a refugee fleeing the Taliban who arrived by boat in Perth in 1999.
dv said:
New Senator Fatima Payman’s father was a refugee fleeing the Taliban who arrived by boat in Perth in 1999.
Was she One Nation or Palmer’s UAP?
sibeen said:
dv said:
New Senator Fatima Payman’s father was a refugee fleeing the Taliban who arrived by boat in Perth in 1999.
Was she One Nation or Palmer’s UAP?
No.
PermeateFree said:
dv said:
NEW SOUTH WALES
Inquiry to be launched into Barilaro’s commissioner appointmentNSW Labor leader Chris Minns has announced an inquiry through the NSW upper house into the appointment of former NSW deputy premier John Barilaro as senior trade and investment commissioner to the Americas, which was announced last Friday afternoon.
“This represents everything that’s wrong with the NSW Liberals and Nationals after 11 in government. This is Dominic Perrottet’s captain’s pick and he will be held accountable,” Minns said in a tweet.
Barilaro was among the state politicians responsible for Investment NSW when it was first set up in early 2021. The other ministers who were responsible for the office were then-premier Gladys Berejiklian and then-jobs minister Stuart Ayres.
NSW premier Dominic Perrottet has defended the appointment, saying Barilaro was the best candidate for the role.
“It doesn’t come as any surprise to me that the independent process that occurred, that he was by far the most outstanding candidate and recommended by that panel to the government and I’m sure he will do a brilliant job,” the premier said.
The process of the appointment was conducted by recruitment firm NGS Global, which the government described as a ‘highly competitive and rigorous global talent search’ in a media release.
Within the same statement, Ayres said Barilaro was well-suited to the role.
“John Barilaro’s specialised experience, first as a NSW business owner and then as trade & industry minister overseeing the NSW Trade Statement and the blueprint for expanding international trade and investment opportunities, make him well qualified for this posting,” Ayres said.
https://www.themandarin.com.au/192685-inquiry-to-be-launched-into-barilaros-commissioner-appointment/
Makes you wonder where the fingers of crime pernitrate into NSW politics.
All the way.
I recall Detective Ellis saying something to the effect, “you can’t pin this on me because it goes all the way to the top”.
In the case of the disappearance of Don Mackay from the carpark of a Griffith hotel.
roughbarked said:
PermeateFree said:
dv said:
NEW SOUTH WALES
Inquiry to be launched into Barilaro’s commissioner appointmentNSW Labor leader Chris Minns has announced an inquiry through the NSW upper house into the appointment of former NSW deputy premier John Barilaro as senior trade and investment commissioner to the Americas, which was announced last Friday afternoon.
“This represents everything that’s wrong with the NSW Liberals and Nationals after 11 in government. This is Dominic Perrottet’s captain’s pick and he will be held accountable,” Minns said in a tweet.
Barilaro was among the state politicians responsible for Investment NSW when it was first set up in early 2021. The other ministers who were responsible for the office were then-premier Gladys Berejiklian and then-jobs minister Stuart Ayres.
NSW premier Dominic Perrottet has defended the appointment, saying Barilaro was the best candidate for the role.
“It doesn’t come as any surprise to me that the independent process that occurred, that he was by far the most outstanding candidate and recommended by that panel to the government and I’m sure he will do a brilliant job,” the premier said.
The process of the appointment was conducted by recruitment firm NGS Global, which the government described as a ‘highly competitive and rigorous global talent search’ in a media release.
Within the same statement, Ayres said Barilaro was well-suited to the role.
“John Barilaro’s specialised experience, first as a NSW business owner and then as trade & industry minister overseeing the NSW Trade Statement and the blueprint for expanding international trade and investment opportunities, make him well qualified for this posting,” Ayres said.
https://www.themandarin.com.au/192685-inquiry-to-be-launched-into-barilaros-commissioner-appointment/
Makes you wonder where the fingers of crime pernitrate into NSW politics.
All the way.
I recall Detective Ellis saying something to the effect, “you can’t pin this on me because it goes all the way to the top”.
In the case of the disappearance of Don Mackay from the carpark of a Griffith hotel.
I recall Neville Wran being present at a lot of the big Mafia family do’s around here. He wasn’t the only one.
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:
PermeateFree said:Makes you wonder where the fingers of crime pernitrate into NSW politics.
All the way.
I recall Detective Ellis saying something to the effect, “you can’t pin this on me because it goes all the way to the top”.
In the case of the disappearance of Don Mackay from the carpark of a Griffith hotel.
I recall Neville Wran being present at a lot of the big Mafia family do’s around here. He wasn’t the only one.
Adrian Cruikshank(NP) had Adriano painted on his car as advertising to electors, clearly to identify with certain elements of the community.
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:
PermeateFree said:Makes you wonder where the fingers of crime pernitrate into NSW politics.
All the way.
I recall Detective Ellis saying something to the effect, “you can’t pin this on me because it goes all the way to the top”.
In the case of the disappearance of Don Mackay from the carpark of a Griffith hotel.
I recall Neville Wran being present at a lot of the big Mafia family do’s around here. He wasn’t the only one.
wran was premier and treasurer and police and gaming. that says it all.
sarahs mum said:
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:All the way.
I recall Detective Ellis saying something to the effect, “you can’t pin this on me because it goes all the way to the top”.
In the case of the disappearance of Don Mackay from the carpark of a Griffith hotel.
I recall Neville Wran being present at a lot of the big Mafia family do’s around here. He wasn’t the only one.
wran was premier and treasurer and police and gaming. that says it all.
Exactly.
While we are on law and guns and all that. I see tthat Christian Porter has lost his first case after his return to the legal profession.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jun/21/environment-report-coalition-didnt-release-paints-damning-story-of-neglect-tanya-plibersek-says
ChrispenEvan said:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jun/21/environment-report-coalition-didnt-release-paints-damning-story-of-neglect-tanya-plibersek-says
fuck
“Bandt removes Australian flag from press conference”
Slowly you’ll see a truck tyre image appearing, then just the barrel of an AK47……………………………to start with……………….
Peak Warming Man said:
“Bandt removes Australian flag from press conference”Slowly you’ll see a truck tyre image appearing, then just the barrel of an AK47……………………………to start with……………….
https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/politics/greens-leader-adam-bandt-called-out-for-very-immature-decision-to-remove-australian-flag-from-press-conference/news-story/8291122cf7923770ed752012cc1a805b
yes, I know it is Sky News
ChrispenEvan said:
Peak Warming Man said:
“Bandt removes Australian flag from press conference”Slowly you’ll see a truck tyre image appearing, then just the barrel of an AK47……………………………to start with……………….
https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/politics/greens-leader-adam-bandt-called-out-for-very-immature-decision-to-remove-australian-flag-from-press-conference/news-story/8291122cf7923770ed752012cc1a805b
yes, I know it is Sky News
I dunno.
If i was in a position to hold press conferences, i don’t think i’d need the flag in the background as some kind of security blanket/branding exercise/dog whistle.
The L/NP loved wrapping themselves in the flag almost as much as does Pauline Hanson.
The idea that what you have to say is more important than what’s behind you seems reasonably mature to me.
captain_spalding said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Peak Warming Man said:
“Bandt removes Australian flag from press conference”Slowly you’ll see a truck tyre image appearing, then just the barrel of an AK47……………………………to start with……………….
https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/politics/greens-leader-adam-bandt-called-out-for-very-immature-decision-to-remove-australian-flag-from-press-conference/news-story/8291122cf7923770ed752012cc1a805b
yes, I know it is Sky News
I dunno.
If i was in a position to hold press conferences, i don’t think i’d need the flag in the background as some kind of security blanket/branding exercise/dog whistle.
The L/NP loved wrapping themselves in the flag almost as much as does Pauline Hanson.
The idea that what you have to say is more important than what’s behind you seems reasonably mature to me.
Flags come across as pageantry and really don’t need to be there.
Cymek said:
captain_spalding said:
ChrispenEvan said:https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/politics/greens-leader-adam-bandt-called-out-for-very-immature-decision-to-remove-australian-flag-from-press-conference/news-story/8291122cf7923770ed752012cc1a805b
yes, I know it is Sky News
I dunno.
If i was in a position to hold press conferences, i don’t think i’d need the flag in the background as some kind of security blanket/branding exercise/dog whistle.
The L/NP loved wrapping themselves in the flag almost as much as does Pauline Hanson.
The idea that what you have to say is more important than what’s behind you seems reasonably mature to me.
Flags come across as pageantry and really don’t need to be there.
Tamb said:
They serve as an identifier for foreign news grabs.
The idea that any foreign news service is going to report on something that Adam Bandt said is quite a stretch for the imagination.
The head of the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade is expected to be replaced by Australia’s ambassador to Japan, as Anthony Albanese moves to reshape the upper ranks of the public service.
Kathryn Campbell, who presided over the “robodebt” fiasco, was widely tipped to be moved on after the foreign affairs minister, Penny Wong, said the department needed to boost its capability at a time of great “challenge” in world affairs.
The ambassador to Japan, Jan Adams, is expected to be appointed to lead the department, the ABC first reported on Monday.
In an interview with the Guardian’s Australian politics podcast in March, Wong hinted she was interested in a change when asked whether she was comfortable having a head of Dfat who was not a career diplomat.
Wong said Dfat needed to “shape and operationalise Australia’s engagement in the world and, given that, you would hope it is led by people who have the capability, capacity and knowledge to do so”.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jun/20/dfat-head-kathryn-campbell-set-to-be-replaced-as-albanese-reshapes-public-service
Tamb said:
Cymek said:
captain_spalding said:I dunno.
If i was in a position to hold press conferences, i don’t think i’d need the flag in the background as some kind of security blanket/branding exercise/dog whistle.
The L/NP loved wrapping themselves in the flag almost as much as does Pauline Hanson.
The idea that what you have to say is more important than what’s behind you seems reasonably mature to me.
Flags come across as pageantry and really don’t need to be there.
They serve as an identifier for foreign news grabs.
That’s true
captain_spalding said:
Tamb said:They serve as an identifier for foreign news grabs.
The idea that any foreign news service is going to report on something that Adam Bandt said is quite a stretch for the imagination.
captain_spalding said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Peak Warming Man said:
“Bandt removes Australian flag from press conference”Slowly you’ll see a truck tyre image appearing, then just the barrel of an AK47……………………………to start with……………….
https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/politics/greens-leader-adam-bandt-called-out-for-very-immature-decision-to-remove-australian-flag-from-press-conference/news-story/8291122cf7923770ed752012cc1a805b
yes, I know it is Sky News
I dunno.
If i was in a position to hold press conferences, i don’t think i’d need the flag in the background as some kind of security blanket/branding exercise/dog whistle.
The L/NP loved wrapping themselves in the flag almost as much as does Pauline Hanson.
The idea that what you have to say is more important than what’s behind you seems reasonably mature to me.
The last government was about more flags and more flags. It miffed me.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-21/emails-john-barliaro-us-trade-commissioner-job-shortlisted/101169838
ChrispenEvan said:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jun/21/environment-report-coalition-didnt-release-paints-damning-story-of-neglect-tanya-plibersek-says
The Labor excuse to not doing anything seems to be we want to be sure we get it right. Hope she ends up doing something constructive, because the above is not very encouraging.
it’s interesting to me that the current “gas crisis” is more to do with global sanctions than it is to do with any domestic policy position… yet most of the discussion (here in Aust at least) is on how domestic policy has led to the current failures of the market.
diddly-squat said:
it’s interesting to me that the current “gas crisis” is more to do with global sanctions than it is to do with any domestic policy position… yet most of the discussion (here in Aust at least) is on how domestic policy has led to the current failures of the market.
If we have enough to sell we surely have enough to supply our own needs
diddly-squat said:
it’s interesting to me that the current “gas crisis” is more to do with global sanctions than it is to do with any domestic policy position… yet most of the discussion (here in Aust at least) is on how domestic policy has led to the current failures of the market.
Yes in the Eastern states it reflects poor and short-sighted government policies.
PermeateFree said:
diddly-squat said:it’s interesting to me that the current “gas crisis” is more to do with global sanctions than it is to do with any domestic policy position… yet most of the discussion (here in Aust at least) is on how domestic policy has led to the current failures of the market.
Yes in the Eastern states it reflects poor and short-sighted government policies.
“…poor and short-sighted government…”
That’s what we’re used to.
Michael V said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-21/emails-john-barliaro-us-trade-commissioner-job-shortlisted/101169838
Bring on the ICAC.
Dark Orange said:
Michael V said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-21/emails-john-barliaro-us-trade-commissioner-job-shortlisted/101169838
Bring on the ICAC.
Umm…NSW already has an ICAC.
Just ask Gladys.
Cymek said:
diddly-squat said:it’s interesting to me that the current “gas crisis” is more to do with global sanctions than it is to do with any domestic policy position… yet most of the discussion (here in Aust at least) is on how domestic policy has led to the current failures of the market.
If we have enough to sell we surely have enough to supply our own needs
If the federal government want a say in the price of our primary resources, they should have invested the same money in the projects as the customers did.
captain_spalding said:
Dark Orange said:
Michael V said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-21/emails-john-barliaro-us-trade-commissioner-job-shortlisted/101169838
Bring on the ICAC.
Umm…NSW already has an ICAC.
Just ask Gladys.
I thought that position was federal. My bad.
we mean if CHINA hadn’t tried to fuck us all with this bioweapon then we’d be high and dry, but all these idiots keep trying to blame local Let It Rip® policies for the biggest cause of death continuing to be big
Dark Orange said:
captain_spalding said:
Dark Orange said:Bring on the ICAC.
Umm…NSW already has an ICAC.
Just ask Gladys.
I thought that position was federal. My bad.
thank fuck for multi tier politics, thank fuck for the states
Dark Orange said:
Cymek said:
diddly-squat said:it’s interesting to me that the current “gas crisis” is more to do with global sanctions than it is to do with any domestic policy position… yet most of the discussion (here in Aust at least) is on how domestic policy has led to the current failures of the market.
If we have enough to sell we surely have enough to supply our own needs
If the federal government want a say in the price of our primary resources, they should have invested the same money in the projects as the customers did.
Like subsidies?
sarahs mum said:
captain_spalding said:
ChrispenEvan said:https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/politics/greens-leader-adam-bandt-called-out-for-very-immature-decision-to-remove-australian-flag-from-press-conference/news-story/8291122cf7923770ed752012cc1a805b
yes, I know it is Sky News
I dunno.
If i was in a position to hold press conferences, i don’t think i’d need the flag in the background as some kind of security blanket/branding exercise/dog whistle.
The L/NP loved wrapping themselves in the flag almost as much as does Pauline Hanson.
The idea that what you have to say is more important than what’s behind you seems reasonably mature to me.
The last government was about more flags and more flags. It miffed me.
gotta wear your stars and stripes and the star spangled banner with pride
Morgan has released their first poll since the election, which is a fairly humdrum 53-47.
No preferred prime minister or job approval poll just yet.
dv said:
Morgan has released their first poll since the election, which is a fairly humdrum 53-47.No preferred prime minister or job approval poll just yet.
People talk about the “Shy Tory” effect but there appears to be a “desperately embarrassed UAP” effect as only 0.5% say they would vote for UAP whereas 4.1% voted for them at the recent election.
dv said:
dv said:
Morgan has released their first poll since the election, which is a fairly humdrum 53-47.No preferred prime minister or job approval poll just yet.
People talk about the “Shy Tory” effect but there appears to be a “desperately embarrassed UAP” effect as only 0.5% say they would vote for UAP whereas 4.1% voted for them at the recent election.
Maybe they did it accidentally.
All seats declared now except O’Connor.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
dv said:
Morgan has released their first poll since the election, which is a fairly humdrum 53-47.No preferred prime minister or job approval poll just yet.
People talk about the “Shy Tory” effect but there appears to be a “desperately embarrassed UAP” effect as only 0.5% say they would vote for UAP whereas 4.1% voted for them at the recent election.
Maybe they did it accidentally.
It’s a bit like how many people would commit crime if they knew they could get away with it hey ¿
This thread will do but I would prefer it if we had individual State Politics Threads.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jun/22/final-decision-maker-who-picked-john-barilaro-for-trade-job-directly-reported-to-him-as-public-servant
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jun/23/more-electricity-retailers-will-likely-fail-over-the-next-year-resulting-in-less-competition-and-higher-prices
https://theconversation.com/has-us-style-politicisation-of-the-courts-come-to-australia-185384
ChrispenEvan said:
This thread will do but I would prefer it if we had individual State Politics Threads.https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jun/22/final-decision-maker-who-picked-john-barilaro-for-trade-job-directly-reported-to-him-as-public-servant
I’ll bring this one in from earlier in Chat too:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jun/21/john-barilaro-got-trade-job-after-senior-public-servant-had-already-been-offered-it
So he set up the jobs, they interviewed and selected and then backed down and the “winner” got paid out and then he was selected by someone who owed him. Hmm…
buffy said:
ChrispenEvan said:
This thread will do but I would prefer it if we had individual State Politics Threads.https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jun/22/final-decision-maker-who-picked-john-barilaro-for-trade-job-directly-reported-to-him-as-public-servant
I’ll bring this one in from earlier in Chat too:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jun/21/john-barilaro-got-trade-job-after-senior-public-servant-had-already-been-offered-it
So he set up the jobs, they interviewed and selected and then backed down and the “winner” got paid out and then he was selected by someone who owed him. Hmm…
Its got sus all over it.
New offensive conduct laws introduced in Victoria after Eastern Freeway tragedy
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-22/new-offensive-conduct-laws-richard-pusey/101172720
I would have liked to have seen penalities for failing to render assistance laws increased especially when Richard the major arsehole was involved, he was not a bystander.
The Shovel:
ChrispenEvan said:
This thread will do but I would prefer it if we had individual State Politics Threads.
let’s have individual council slash local government area threads too please
SCIENCE said:
ChrispenEvan said:
This thread will do but I would prefer it if we had individual State Politics Threads.
let’s have individual council slash local government area threads too please
what sort of fresh hell is this?
SCIENCE said:
ChrispenEvan said:
This thread will do but I would prefer it if we had individual State Politics Threads.
let’s have individual council slash local government area threads too please
Tau.Neutrino said:
buffy said:
ChrispenEvan said:
This thread will do but I would prefer it if we had individual State Politics Threads.https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jun/22/final-decision-maker-who-picked-john-barilaro-for-trade-job-directly-reported-to-him-as-public-servant
I’ll bring this one in from earlier in Chat too:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jun/21/john-barilaro-got-trade-job-after-senior-public-servant-had-already-been-offered-it
So he set up the jobs, they interviewed and selected and then backed down and the “winner” got paid out and then he was selected by someone who owed him. Hmm…
Its got sus all over it.
I can’t quite get the aspects of this joke working so I will hand it over to Boris in kit form.
Tau says it has sus all over it.
Sus is the genus name for porcine animal.
Barilaro shortens to barrel. Pork barrel.
dv said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
buffy said:I’ll bring this one in from earlier in Chat too:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jun/21/john-barilaro-got-trade-job-after-senior-public-servant-had-already-been-offered-it
So he set up the jobs, they interviewed and selected and then backed down and the “winner” got paid out and then he was selected by someone who owed him. Hmm…
Its got sus all over it.
I can’t quite get the aspects of this joke working so I will hand it over to Boris in kit form.
Tau says it has sus all over it.
Sus is the genus name for porcine animal.
Barilaro shortens to barrel. Pork barrel.
He had the nickname “Pork Barilaro” for some while.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWToy2dlvqs&ab_channel=TheWestReport
I can’t be absolutely certain, my detector seems to be on the fritz, but I think there may have been some sarcasm.
https://amp.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jun/24/scott-morrison-and-barnaby-joyce-were-most-unpopular-leaders-at-election-since-1987-study-shows
ChrispenEvan said:
https://amp.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jun/24/scott-morrison-and-barnaby-joyce-were-most-unpopular-leaders-at-election-since-1987-study-shows
sure but in this at least is it not time to move on, the are other things to get to, like that against corruption commission
https://independentaustralia.net/business/business-display/why-australian-journalists-are-at-war-with-their-audience,16491#.YrSFEM7_iwQ.facebook
New senator David Pocock puts climate squeeze on Greens
Independent senator David Pocock has sent a message to the Greens to end the squabbling over climate policy, and to treat Labor’s 2030 emissions reduction target of 43 per cent over 2005 levels as a floor rather than a ceiling.
Senator Pocock – whose vote looms as critical if Labor is to legislate its targets when Parliament sits at the end of next month – said while there was support across the country for a higher 2030 target, “we also want to see an end to the climate wars”.
“The community wants to see us banking some gains, locking in some real progress after a decade of inaction,” he said.
“Do I want to see a higher target? Absolutely. But I am also committed to pragmatic politics.”
Senator Pocock, the first independent senator to represent the ACT, received backing from the Climate 200 movement during the campaign and advocated a 60 per cent target by 2030,
But in speech followed by an interview with The Australian Financial Review on Wednesday, Senator Pocock said, “the community wants people to be pragmatic and get on with it”.
Rather than complaining, as are the Greens, that 43 per cent is insufficient, the target should be regarded as “a good starting point”.
Opposition Leader Peter Dutton has announced the Coalition will oppose legislating targets. Notwithstanding the potential for some Liberal moderates to cross the floor, Labor will need the support of the 12 Greens in the Senate, plus one more.
Ardent advocate
Greens leader Adam Bandt wants a 75 per cent target for 2030 and says the starting point for negotiations must be a moratorium on all new gas and coal projects. Labor has said it would enact the targets without legislation, including net zero by 2050, rather than accept any change.
Senator Pocock, the most ardent advocate for climate action among the Senate crossbench, stopped short of guaranteeing his vote but hinted strongly he would back the legislation subject to being satisfied the target could be achieved without cutting corners.
-)—-
https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/new-senator-david-pocock-puts-climate-squeeze-on-greens-20220622-p5avm3
dv said:
New senator David Pocock puts climate squeeze on Greens
Independent senator David Pocock has sent a message to the Greens to end the squabbling over climate policy, and to treat Labor’s 2030 emissions reduction target of 43 per cent over 2005 levels as a floor rather than a ceiling.Senator Pocock – whose vote looms as critical if Labor is to legislate its targets when Parliament sits at the end of next month – said while there was support across the country for a higher 2030 target, “we also want to see an end to the climate wars”.
“The community wants to see us banking some gains, locking in some real progress after a decade of inaction,” he said.
“Do I want to see a higher target? Absolutely. But I am also committed to pragmatic politics.”
Senator Pocock, the first independent senator to represent the ACT, received backing from the Climate 200 movement during the campaign and advocated a 60 per cent target by 2030,
But in speech followed by an interview with The Australian Financial Review on Wednesday, Senator Pocock said, “the community wants people to be pragmatic and get on with it”.
Rather than complaining, as are the Greens, that 43 per cent is insufficient, the target should be regarded as “a good starting point”.
Opposition Leader Peter Dutton has announced the Coalition will oppose legislating targets. Notwithstanding the potential for some Liberal moderates to cross the floor, Labor will need the support of the 12 Greens in the Senate, plus one more.
Ardent advocate
Greens leader Adam Bandt wants a 75 per cent target for 2030 and says the starting point for negotiations must be a moratorium on all new gas and coal projects. Labor has said it would enact the targets without legislation, including net zero by 2050, rather than accept any change.
Senator Pocock, the most ardent advocate for climate action among the Senate crossbench, stopped short of guaranteeing his vote but hinted strongly he would back the legislation subject to being satisfied the target could be achieved without cutting corners.
-)—-
https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/new-senator-david-pocock-puts-climate-squeeze-on-greens-20220622-p5avm3
He sounds a sensible chap. Hope The Greens show some sense too.
dv said:
New senator David Pocock puts climate squeeze on Greens
Independent senator David Pocock has sent a message to the Greens to end the squabbling over climate policy, and to treat Labor’s 2030 emissions reduction target of 43 per cent over 2005 levels as a floor rather than a ceiling.Senator Pocock – whose vote looms as critical if Labor is to legislate its targets when Parliament sits at the end of next month – said while there was support across the country for a higher 2030 target, “we also want to see an end to the climate wars”.
“The community wants to see us banking some gains, locking in some real progress after a decade of inaction,” he said.
“Do I want to see a higher target? Absolutely. But I am also committed to pragmatic politics.”
Senator Pocock, the first independent senator to represent the ACT, received backing from the Climate 200 movement during the campaign and advocated a 60 per cent target by 2030,
But in speech followed by an interview with The Australian Financial Review on Wednesday, Senator Pocock said, “the community wants people to be pragmatic and get on with it”.
Rather than complaining, as are the Greens, that 43 per cent is insufficient, the target should be regarded as “a good starting point”.
Opposition Leader Peter Dutton has announced the Coalition will oppose legislating targets. Notwithstanding the potential for some Liberal moderates to cross the floor, Labor will need the support of the 12 Greens in the Senate, plus one more.
Ardent advocate
Greens leader Adam Bandt wants a 75 per cent target for 2030 and says the starting point for negotiations must be a moratorium on all new gas and coal projects. Labor has said it would enact the targets without legislation, including net zero by 2050, rather than accept any change.
Senator Pocock, the most ardent advocate for climate action among the Senate crossbench, stopped short of guaranteeing his vote but hinted strongly he would back the legislation subject to being satisfied the target could be achieved without cutting corners.
-)—-
https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/new-senator-david-pocock-puts-climate-squeeze-on-greens-20220622-p5avm3
Sen. Pocock appears to be talking a lot of sense.
Inflation will be “significantly higher” than forecast in the most recent budget, Treasurer Jim Chalmers has revealed while also warning the cost of servicing government debt is rapidly increasing.
But Chalmers believes by next year, some of the inflationary pressures now delivering cost of living pressures to ordinary Australians will have started to abate.
SCIENCE said:
Inflation will be “significantly higher” than forecast in the most recent budget, Treasurer Jim Chalmers has revealed while also warning the cost of servicing government debt is rapidly increasing.But Chalmers believes by next year, some of the inflationary pressures now delivering cost of living pressures to ordinary Australians will have started to abate.
Well, it makes a change from ScoMo’s refrain of ‘all is well, remain calm ‘.
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:
Inflation will be “significantly higher” than forecast in the most recent budget, Treasurer Jim Chalmers has revealed while also warning the cost of servicing government debt is rapidly increasing.But Chalmers believes by next year, some of the inflationary pressures now delivering cost of living pressures to ordinary Australians will have started to abate.
Well, it makes a change from ScoMo’s refrain of ‘all is well, remain calm ‘.
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:
Inflation will be “significantly higher” than forecast in the most recent budget, Treasurer Jim Chalmers has revealed while also warning the cost of servicing government debt is rapidly increasing.But Chalmers believes by next year, some of the inflationary pressures now delivering cost of living pressures to ordinary Australians will have started to abate.
Well, it makes a change from ScoMo’s refrain of ‘all is well, remain calm ‘.
This is all Putin and Xi’s fault. Literally.
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:
Inflation will be “significantly higher” than forecast in the most recent budget, Treasurer Jim Chalmers has revealed while also warning the cost of servicing government debt is rapidly increasing.
But Chalmers believes by next year, some of the inflationary pressures now delivering cost of living pressures to ordinary Australians will have started to abate.
Well, it makes a change from ScoMo’s refrain of ‘all is well, remain calm ‘.
This is all Putin and Xi’s fault. Literally.
fuck lockdowns preserving the health of a massive population delivering cheap goods to the world
SCIENCE said:
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:
Well, it makes a change from ScoMo’s refrain of ‘all is well, remain calm ‘.
This is all Putin and Xi’s fault. Literally.
fuck lockdowns preserving the health of a massive population delivering cheap goods to the world
The whole Covid worldwide pandemic thing is the direct result of Chinese mismanagement at the Wuhan origin.
The Chinese policies on fuel and food hoarding is driving up worldwide prices, right at the same time as Ukrainian and Russia supplies have fallen off the market.
party_pants said:
The whole Covid worldwide pandemic thing is the direct result of Chinese mismanagement at the Wuhan origin.
The Chinese policies on fuel and food hoarding is driving up worldwide prices, right at the same time as Ukrainian and Russia supplies have fallen off the market.
We’ll have to agree to disagree that {a pandemic that is too contagious for anyone else in the world to bother trying to reduce transmission of} is mismanagement by CHINA, and {responsible maintenance of savings accounts} is also mismanagement.
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/liberal-democrats-stand-down-queensland-executive-over-election-spending/ar-AAZ2QUf
Liberal Democrats stand down Queensland executive over election spending
John Barilaro didn’t want to continue being “a distraction”.
In a statement released on Thursday evening announcing he had withdrawn from the $500,000 New York trade commissioner job that caused a firestorm of controversy for the New South Wales government over the past fortnight, Barilaro conceded his position was “not tenable” because of “the amount of media attention this appointment has gained”.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jul/01/john-barilaros-decision-may-stem-some-bleeding-but-questions-remain-about-the-new-york-appointment
sarahs mum said:
John Barilaro didn’t want to continue being “a distraction”.In a statement released on Thursday evening announcing he had withdrawn from the $500,000 New York trade commissioner job that caused a firestorm of controversy for the New South Wales government over the past fortnight, Barilaro conceded his position was “not tenable” because of “the amount of media attention this appointment has gained”.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jul/01/john-barilaros-decision-may-stem-some-bleeding-but-questions-remain-about-the-new-york-appointment
Is that like…damn…someone noticed…
https://www.theguardian.com/media/commentisfree/2022/jul/01/qantas-ditches-sky-news-from-airport-lounges-as-abc-takes-flight-on-90th-birthday
No Labored Propaganda Here
Australia could see recession followed by strong recovery next year, experts say
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-01/recession-possible-in-australia-next-year/101202044
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-21/a-gas-export-tax-would-help-to-fix-australia-s-energy-crisis/
Gas export tax would help to fix Australia’s energy crisis, says Dr Ken Henry
Australia has also squandered its opportunity to use its huge domestic gas reserves as a transitional fuel to shift our electricity system away from a heavy reliance on coal to renewables, he says.
“It’s been squandered through politicking — partly ideological, partly I think driven by personal ambition — and it’s put us in a very bad place,” he told the ABC this week.
“It’s too late to have the sort of reliance upon gas-fired power as a transitional fuel that we were imagining last century.”
Dr Henry, who was Australia’s Treasury secretary from 2001 to 2011, argued in 2004 that Australia should adopt a national emissions trading scheme.
In his 2010 Tax Review, he warned energy markets could become unstable if investors weren’t provided with sufficient certainty to make long-term investment plans for renewable energy.
Now, looking back, he says no-one involved in energy policy-making in the late 1990s and early 2000s could say that they didn’t see Australia’s current energy crisis coming.
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Fwiw I don’t think there’s anything wrong with this.
I don’t particularly see how it will benefit the Libs, though.
dv said:
Fwiw I don’t think there’s anything wrong with this.
I don’t particularly see how it will benefit the Libs, though.
Presumably it will benefit the Libs because the people they’re training are not genuinely independent, and if elected would be performing as proxy LP members in parliament.
Who ever could have guessed that Clive would rip people off?
But also fuck this guy who appears to be a wook-tier Putinista stooge
dv said:
Who ever could have guessed that Clive would rip people off?
But also fuck this guy who appears to be a wook-tier Putinista stooge
But he was ‘enforced’.
sibeen said:
dv said:
Who ever could have guessed that Clive would rip people off?
But also fuck this guy who appears to be a wook-tier Putinista stooge
But he was ‘enforced’.
You can imagine how Clive sold it to them.
‘Yeah, it cost you a few grand, ok, maybe more than a few grand, but, mate, take it from me, once you get elected, the sluice gate opens and the money just floods in. You’ll have lobbyists and ‘donors’ bunging you paper bags full of folding stuff morning noon and night. Spend a dollar now, get a hundred back later.’
dv said:
Who ever could have guessed that Clive would rip people off?
not this guy obviously.
Finally got a NSW poll but it doesn’t really tell us much.
37% Coalition primary vote
32% ALP primary vote
30% Other
No 2PP preference indication, no minor party breakdown.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jul/02/guardian-essential-poll-shows-nsw-coalitions-primary-vote-falling-below-40
dv said:
Finally got a NSW poll but it doesn’t really tell us much.37% Coalition primary vote
32% ALP primary vote
30% OtherNo 2PP preference indication, no minor party breakdown.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jul/02/guardian-essential-poll-shows-nsw-coalitions-primary-vote-falling-below-40
Kevlar estimates this probably works out to about 50-50 in the 2PP but there’s high uncertainty given that there’s no indication of what’s in that 30% “other”.
Labor leader Minns has a slightly higher net approval than Liberal premier Perrottet, 17% versus 14%. Have to say, those are very high net approval levels in the modern age where voters are supposed to be jaded about both major parties.
captain_spalding said:
sibeen said:
dv said:
Who ever could have guessed that Clive would rip people off?
But also fuck this guy who appears to be a wook-tier Putinista stooge
But he was ‘enforced’.
You can imagine how Clive sold it to them.
‘Yeah, it cost you a few grand, ok, maybe more than a few grand, but, mate, take it from me, once you get elected, the sluice gate opens and the money just floods in. You’ll have lobbyists and ‘donors’ bunging you paper bags full of folding stuff morning noon and night. Spend a dollar now, get a hundred back later.’
yeah but anyone who saw how Corruption worked past few decades would know that the last bit there was actually legit’
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Fwiw I don’t think there’s anything wrong with this.
I don’t particularly see how it will benefit the Libs, though.
Presumably it will benefit the Libs because the people they’re training are not genuinely independent, and if elected would be performing as proxy LP members in parliament.
yeah we’ve been considering this, they’re all celebrating the independence of independent success this election but we’ren’t convinced that the future holds beautiful chestnut tides of candidates who aren’t simply funnels
I have not factchecked this cake but supposedly it represents the number of women and men in parliament. Red for ALP, Blue for Libs, Yellow for Nats, Green for Greens, Orange for other.
This is the first time the governing caucus has a female majority
dv said:
I have not factchecked this cake but supposedly it represents the number of women and men in parliament. Red for ALP, Blue for Libs, Yellow for Nats, Green for Greens, Orange for other.
This is the first time the governing caucus has a female majority
oh we thought it was a take on a stylised icon representing radio
sequel to underbelly
sarahs mum said:
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
Qantas has inked a new deal with the public broadcaster for ABC news bulletins to screen on Qantas flights and in airport lounges.
Qantas domestic and international flights will see two bespoke bulletins every day, including business, sport, weather and entertainment reports.
nice, serving private interests today, privatisation tomorrow
the Mad Fucking Witches claimed victory.
sorry fixed
was it anything like the Battle of Asculum
see this useless communist Labor party never take responsibility
“We always think about the future, not the past. He’s [Albanese’s] not responsible for what happened,” Macron said.
Only just became aware of The Local Party in Tasmania. They seem pretty reasonable.
dv said:
Only just became aware of The Local Party in Tasmania. They seem pretty reasonable.
I mentioned voting for them…
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Only just became aware of The Local Party in Tasmania. They seem pretty reasonable.
I mentioned voting for them…
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Only just became aware of The Local Party in Tasmania. They seem pretty reasonable.
I mentioned voting for them…
Well there you go, memory like a whatsit
sarahs mum said:
We’re still going to need to buy military stuff from them.
The new Thales 40mm naval gun looks like a goer for the OPV to replace the current 25mm gun (which was a replacement for the Italian made gun 40mm that didn’t work). These things need a 40 mm or better,
,,,just syaing.
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Only just became aware of The Local Party in Tasmania. They seem pretty reasonable.
I mentioned voting for them…
Well there you go, memory like a whatsit
perhaps they will truck better under hare clark.
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:
We’re still going to need to buy military stuff from them.
The new Thales 40mm naval gun looks like a goer for the OPV to replace the current 25mm gun (which was a replacement for the Italian made gun 40mm that didn’t work). These things need a 40 mm or better,
,,,just syaing.
Just what do we really need such guns for?
For what pretence?
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Only just became aware of The Local Party in Tasmania. They seem pretty reasonable.
I mentioned voting for them…
Well there you go, memory like a whatsit
A statistician with a whatsit up his memory stick.
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:
We’re still going to need to buy military stuff from them.
The new Thales 40mm naval gun looks like a goer for the OPV to replace the current 25mm gun (which was a replacement for the Italian made gun 40mm that didn’t work). These things need a 40 mm or better,
,,,just syaing.
Just what do we really need such guns for?
For what pretence?
What all defence gear is for: … killing people and breaking stuff
drug smuggling, illegal fishing.
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:We’re still going to need to buy military stuff from them.
The new Thales 40mm naval gun looks like a goer for the OPV to replace the current 25mm gun (which was a replacement for the Italian made gun 40mm that didn’t work). These things need a 40 mm or better,
,,,just syaing.
Just what do we really need such guns for?
For what pretence?What all defence gear is for: … killing people and breaking stuff
drug smuggling, illegal fishing.
We are capable of making it ourselves. Sp why do we need to buy?
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:We’re still going to need to buy military stuff from them.
The new Thales 40mm naval gun looks like a goer for the OPV to replace the current 25mm gun (which was a replacement for the Italian made gun 40mm that didn’t work). These things need a 40 mm or better,
,,,just syaing.
Just what do we really need such guns for?
For what pretence?What all defence gear is for: … killing people and breaking stuff
drug smuggling, illegal fishing.
anti-piracy, arms traders, terrorism, low level counter-insurgency in the nearby countries – religiously based or backed by hotile foreign powers who seek to benefit from destabilising already poor countries.
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:We’re still going to need to buy military stuff from them.
The new Thales 40mm naval gun looks like a goer for the OPV to replace the current 25mm gun (which was a replacement for the Italian made gun 40mm that didn’t work). These things need a 40 mm or better,
,,,just syaing.
Just what do we really need such guns for?
For what pretence?What all defence gear is for: … killing people and breaking stuff
drug smuggling, illegal fishing.
beck and call of crazy US war gaming.
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:Just what do we really need such guns for?
For what pretence?What all defence gear is for: … killing people and breaking stuff
drug smuggling, illegal fishing.
We are capable of making it ourselves. Sp why do we need to buy?
We can build the ships but not the guns. These guns are multi-purpose: anti-surface including small fast boats, anti-air and self defence against against incoming missiles or armed drones. This is what the ships originally wanted, but the Italian Leonardo group was unable to deliver on the contract. Thales seems to have developed just such a system from the French navy that actually works.
sarahs mum said:
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:Just what do we really need such guns for?
For what pretence?What all defence gear is for: … killing people and breaking stuff
drug smuggling, illegal fishing.
beck and call of crazy US war gaming.
This is the sort of low level stuff the US are not equipped to deal with. The US are almost exclusively high-end big wars against big powers type of military. They struggle against low level stuff like Somalia pirates or Afghan insurgents. We need this sort of capability to sort out our local problems. The US only do big stuff.
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:
party_pants said:What all defence gear is for: … killing people and breaking stuff
drug smuggling, illegal fishing.
beck and call of crazy US war gaming.
This is the sort of low level stuff the US are not equipped to deal with. The US are almost exclusively high-end big wars against big powers type of military. They struggle against low level stuff like Somalia pirates or Afghan insurgents. We need this sort of capability to sort out our local problems. The US only do big stuff.
I now see your point.
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:beck and call of crazy US war gaming.
This is the sort of low level stuff the US are not equipped to deal with. The US are almost exclusively high-end big wars against big powers type of military. They struggle against low level stuff like Somalia pirates or Afghan insurgents. We need this sort of capability to sort out our local problems. The US only do big stuff.
I now see your point.
Recommended reading: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/If_the_War_Goes_On_…
sarahs mum said:
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:Just what do we really need such guns for?
For what pretence?What all defence gear is for: … killing people and breaking stuff
drug smuggling, illegal fishing.
beck and call of crazy US war gaming.
I doubt any nation really needs a defence force.
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
party_pants said:What all defence gear is for: … killing people and breaking stuff
drug smuggling, illegal fishing.
beck and call of crazy US war gaming.
I doubt any nation really needs a defence force.
We seem to fail at bushfires and floods these days.
We have an offence force.
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:beck and call of crazy US war gaming.
I doubt any nation really needs a defence force.
We seem to fail at bushfires and floods these days.
We have an offence force.
What?
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:I doubt any nation really needs a defence force.
We seem to fail at bushfires and floods these days.
We have an offence force.
What?
I do hope you realise I was being completely ironic.
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:I doubt any nation really needs a defence force.
We seem to fail at bushfires and floods these days.
We have an offence force.
What?
We go to Vietnam. We go to Iraq. We go to Afghanistan. These actions are not defensive.
(Yes. I understand that just possessing weapons of war gives some security.)
sibeen said:
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:We seem to fail at bushfires and floods these days.
We have an offence force.
What?
I do hope you realise I was being completely ironic.
Slaving away at the ironing.
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:We seem to fail at bushfires and floods these days.
We have an offence force.
What?
We go to Vietnam. We go to Iraq. We go to Afghanistan. These actions are not defensive.
(Yes. I understand that just possessing weapons of war gives some security.)
You do also understand that as a pretence of defence, we are being offensive?
roughbarked said:
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:What?
We go to Vietnam. We go to Iraq. We go to Afghanistan. These actions are not defensive.
(Yes. I understand that just possessing weapons of war gives some security.)
You do also understand that as a pretence of defence, we are being offensive?
nup. Don’t grok that.
sarahs mum said:
roughbarked said:
sarahs mum said:We go to Vietnam. We go to Iraq. We go to Afghanistan. These actions are not defensive.
(Yes. I understand that just possessing weapons of war gives some security.)
You do also understand that as a pretence of defence, we are being offensive?
nup. Don’t grok that.
Your illegal fishermen or people smugglers, drug smufflers or whatnot, Don’t tend to have a gatling gun aboard.
So the so called defence is an offensive against stone throwers.
roughbarked said:
sarahs mum said:
roughbarked said:You do also understand that as a pretence of defence, we are being offensive?
nup. Don’t grok that.
Your illegal fishermen or people smugglers, drug smufflers or whatnot, Don’t tend to have a gatling gun aboard.
So the so called defence is an offensive against stone throwers.
(Yes. I understand that just possessing weapons of war gives some security.)
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:We seem to fail at bushfires and floods these days.
We have an offence force.
What?
We go to Vietnam. We go to Iraq. We go to Afghanistan. These actions are not defensive.
(Yes. I understand that just possessing weapons of war gives some security.)
I was out at dinner tonight and one of the bloke’s I was with had a daughter who was at a demo today on the Roe v Wade ruling. He got a bit shirty when I wasn’t immediately effusive in my praise for her decision. I shrugged and asked whether she was out demonstrating about the way the Taliban treats females in Afghanistan?
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:What?
We go to Vietnam. We go to Iraq. We go to Afghanistan. These actions are not defensive.
(Yes. I understand that just possessing weapons of war gives some security.)
I was out at dinner tonight and one of the bloke’s I was with had a daughter who was at a demo today on the Roe v Wade ruling. He got a bit shirty when I wasn’t immediately effusive in my praise for her decision. I shrugged and asked whether she was out demonstrating about the way the Taliban treats females in Afghanistan?
Wow, you’re an arsehole…
furious said:
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:We go to Vietnam. We go to Iraq. We go to Afghanistan. These actions are not defensive.
(Yes. I understand that just possessing weapons of war gives some security.)
I was out at dinner tonight and one of the bloke’s I was with had a daughter who was at a demo today on the Roe v Wade ruling. He got a bit shirty when I wasn’t immediately effusive in my praise for her decision. I shrugged and asked whether she was out demonstrating about the way the Taliban treats females in Afghanistan?
Wow, you’re an arsehole…
Yeah, but it is OK as I’m comforted by my nazi paraphernalia.
Murdoch abandons the sinking LNP ship!
The ‘legacy’ of Scott Morrison is a ‘joke’
Sky News host Rowan Dean says the “legacy” of former prime minister Scott Morrison is an “absolute joke”.
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/the-legacy-of-scott-morrison-is-a-joke/ar-AAZ8kle
PermeateFree said:
Murdoch abandons the sinking LNP ship!The ‘legacy’ of Scott Morrison is a ‘joke’
Sky News host Rowan Dean says the “legacy” of former prime minister Scott Morrison is an “absolute joke”.
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/the-legacy-of-scott-morrison-is-a-joke/ar-AAZ8kle
Dean’s complaint is that they weren’t conservative enough.
Worthwhile remembering that Abbott was PM from 2013-2015, very much trying to do what Dean would have liked. By the time he was axed, The Coalition was 14% behind in the polls.
Australia is just not like that.
dv said:
PermeateFree said:
Murdoch abandons the sinking LNP ship!The ‘legacy’ of Scott Morrison is a ‘joke’
Sky News host Rowan Dean says the “legacy” of former prime minister Scott Morrison is an “absolute joke”.
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/the-legacy-of-scott-morrison-is-a-joke/ar-AAZ8kle
Dean’s complaint is that they weren’t conservative enough.
Worthwhile remembering that Abbott was PM from 2013-2015, very much trying to do what Dean would have liked. By the time he was axed, The Coalition was 14% behind in the polls.
Australia is just not like that.
Suppose I should immerse myself in Sky News for a fuller report despite the likelihood of being covered in slime.
Jane Garrett, member of Victoria’s upper house, has died of cnacer at age 48.
The Bragg by election count is underway, looks like Libs will about 51-49.
Worth remembering the Libs won this 67-33 in 2018.
The Victorian government has removed a requirement that all new dwellings be gas fitted, and some of the DanAnStans among my FB friends are praising this.
In Victoria, using electricity for cooking and water heating will result in more emissions than using gas. Like it’s not even close, about 70% more depending on exactly where you are.
Consider this 2018 report by Renew:
www.bit.ly/EvsG_report
The same report showed that for space heating, electricity is going to be less emissive than gas. So for a lot of places, having gas just for cooking and water heating will be the best option, if your goal is to reduce emissions.
In Tasmania and South Australia, electricity for cooking/waterheating results in lower emissions than gas, presumably because of their high renewables component.
dv said:
The Victorian government has removed a requirement that all new dwellings be gas fitted, and some of the DanAnStans among my FB friends are praising this.In Victoria, using electricity for cooking and water heating will result in more emissions than using gas. Like it’s not even close, about 70% more depending on exactly where you are.
Consider this 2018 report by Renew:
www.bit.ly/EvsG_report
The same report showed that for space heating, electricity is going to be less emissive than gas. So for a lot of places, having gas just for cooking and water heating will be the best option, if your goal is to reduce emissions.
In Tasmania and South Australia, electricity for cooking/waterheating results in lower emissions than gas, presumably because of their high renewables component.
But that’s now.
Presumably in not too many years electricity will have lower emissions than gas even in Vic and NSW,
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
The Victorian government has removed a requirement that all new dwellings be gas fitted, and some of the DanAnStans among my FB friends are praising this.In Victoria, using electricity for cooking and water heating will result in more emissions than using gas. Like it’s not even close, about 70% more depending on exactly where you are.
Consider this 2018 report by Renew:
www.bit.ly/EvsG_report
The same report showed that for space heating, electricity is going to be less emissive than gas. So for a lot of places, having gas just for cooking and water heating will be the best option, if your goal is to reduce emissions.
In Tasmania and South Australia, electricity for cooking/waterheating results in lower emissions than gas, presumably because of their high renewables component.
But that’s now.
Presumably in not too many years electricity will have lower emissions than gas even in Vic and NSW,
I’m not sure how long a piece of string is but it could well be quite a large number of years.
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
The Victorian government has removed a requirement that all new dwellings be gas fitted, and some of the DanAnStans among my FB friends are praising this.
In Victoria, using electricity for cooking and water heating will result in more emissions than using gas. Like it’s not even close, about 70% more depending on exactly where you are.
Consider this 2018 report by Renew:
www.bit.ly/EvsG_report
The same report showed that for space heating, electricity is going to be less emissive than gas. So for a lot of places, having gas just for cooking and water heating will be the best option, if your goal is to reduce emissions.
In Tasmania and South Australia, electricity for cooking/waterheating results in lower emissions than gas, presumably because of their high renewables component.
But that’s now.
Presumably in not too many years electricity will have lower emissions than gas even in Vic and NSW,
I’m not sure how long a piece of string is but it could well be quite a large number of years.
maybe but why encourage that to happen faster by forcing the infrastructure to develop in that direction, the better way must surely be to do it the way it’s been done and working best so far
dv said:
PermeateFree said:
Murdoch abandons the sinking LNP ship!
The ‘legacy’ of Scott Morrison is a ‘joke’
Sky News host Rowan Dean says the “legacy” of former prime minister Scott Morrison is an “absolute joke”.
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/the-legacy-of-scott-morrison-is-a-joke/ar-AAZ8kle
Dean’s complaint is that they weren’t conservative enough.
Worthwhile remembering that Abbott was PM from 2013-2015, very much trying to do what Dean would have liked. By the time he was axed, The Coalition was 14% behind in the polls.
Australia is just not like that.
so what PermeateFree means is that Murdoch abandons the sinking LNP ship by diving off the deck while holding an anchor
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
PermeateFree said:
Murdoch abandons the sinking LNP ship!
The ‘legacy’ of Scott Morrison is a ‘joke’
Sky News host Rowan Dean says the “legacy” of former prime minister Scott Morrison is an “absolute joke”.
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/the-legacy-of-scott-morrison-is-a-joke/ar-AAZ8kle
Dean’s complaint is that they weren’t conservative enough.
Worthwhile remembering that Abbott was PM from 2013-2015, very much trying to do what Dean would have liked. By the time he was axed, The Coalition was 14% behind in the polls.
Australia is just not like that.
so what PermeateFree means is that Murdoch abandons the sinking LNP ship by diving off the deck while holding an anchor
I think Dutton will be more to their taste
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-03/prime-minister-anthony-albanese-in-ukraine-visits-bucha-irpin/101203238
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-04/liberal-party-factions-war-federal-election-four-corners/101198202
Fight! Fight! Fight!
Bogsnorkler said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-04/liberal-party-factions-war-federal-election-four-corners/101198202Fight! Fight! Fight!
Blimey, what a line-up of dags.
Roy Morgan has results of a “snap SMS poll” of state voting intention in Victoria, showing Labor with a rather inplausible two-party lead of 59.5-40.5 from primary votes of Labor 43.5%, Coalition 29.5%, Greens 12%, United Australia Party 2% and Derryn Hinch’s Justice Party 1%. The poll was conducted Thursday to Saturday from a sample of 1710. A similar poll in November produced the same two-party result.
dv said:
Roy Morgan has results of a “snap SMS poll” of state voting intention in Victoria, showing Labor with a rather inplausible two-party lead of 59.5-40.5 from primary votes of Labor 43.5%, Coalition 29.5%, Greens 12%, United Australia Party 2% and Derryn Hinch’s Justice Party 1%. The poll was conducted Thursday to Saturday from a sample of 1710. A similar poll in November produced the same two-party result.
Why rather implausible? I doubt one person in 10 could tell you who the opposition leader was.
sibeen said:
dv said:
Roy Morgan has results of a “snap SMS poll” of state voting intention in Victoria, showing Labor with a rather inplausible two-party lead of 59.5-40.5 from primary votes of Labor 43.5%, Coalition 29.5%, Greens 12%, United Australia Party 2% and Derryn Hinch’s Justice Party 1%. The poll was conducted Thursday to Saturday from a sample of 1710. A similar poll in November produced the same two-party result.
Why rather implausible? I doubt one person in 10 could tell you who the opposition leader was.
Tamb said:
sibeen said:
dv said:
Roy Morgan has results of a “snap SMS poll” of state voting intention in Victoria, showing Labor with a rather inplausible two-party lead of 59.5-40.5 from primary votes of Labor 43.5%, Coalition 29.5%, Greens 12%, United Australia Party 2% and Derryn Hinch’s Justice Party 1%. The poll was conducted Thursday to Saturday from a sample of 1710. A similar poll in November produced the same two-party result.
Why rather implausible? I doubt one person in 10 could tell you who the opposition leader was.
I’m 1 of the 9.
The bald guy, Kojak
Cymek said:
Tamb said:
sibeen said:Why rather implausible? I doubt one person in 10 could tell you who the opposition leader was.
I’m 1 of the 9.The bald guy, Kojak
Tamb said:
Cymek said:
Tamb said:I’m 1 of the 9.
The bald guy, Kojak
The Member from Dick-son?
victorian opposition leader. matthew guy.
Cymek said:
Tamb said:
sibeen said:Why rather implausible? I doubt one person in 10 could tell you who the opposition leader was.
I’m 1 of the 9.The bald guy, Kojak
Sorry that’s the Federal opposition leader, I didn’t read it popular
Bogsnorkler said:
Tamb said:
Cymek said:The bald guy, Kojak
The Member from Dick-son?victorian opposition leader. matthew guy.
sibeen said:
dv said:
Roy Morgan has results of a “snap SMS poll” of state voting intention in Victoria, showing Labor with a rather inplausible two-party lead of 59.5-40.5 from primary votes of Labor 43.5%, Coalition 29.5%, Greens 12%, United Australia Party 2% and Derryn Hinch’s Justice Party 1%. The poll was conducted Thursday to Saturday from a sample of 1710. A similar poll in November produced the same two-party result.
Why rather implausible? I doubt one person in 10 could tell you who the opposition leader was.
Some guy…
dv said:
sibeen said:
dv said:
Roy Morgan has results of a “snap SMS poll” of state voting intention in Victoria, showing Labor with a rather inplausible two-party lead of 59.5-40.5 from primary votes of Labor 43.5%, Coalition 29.5%, Greens 12%, United Australia Party 2% and Derryn Hinch’s Justice Party 1%. The poll was conducted Thursday to Saturday from a sample of 1710. A similar poll in November produced the same two-party result.
Why rather implausible? I doubt one person in 10 could tell you who the opposition leader was.
Some guy…
that you used to know?
dv said:
sibeen said:
dv said:
Roy Morgan has results of a “snap SMS poll” of state voting intention in Victoria, showing Labor with a rather inplausible two-party lead of 59.5-40.5 from primary votes of Labor 43.5%, Coalition 29.5%, Greens 12%, United Australia Party 2% and Derryn Hinch’s Justice Party 1%. The poll was conducted Thursday to Saturday from a sample of 1710. A similar poll in November produced the same two-party result.
Why rather implausible? I doubt one person in 10 could tell you who the opposition leader was.
Some guy…
maybe by implausible they mean they were hoping the lead should have been bigger than it seems to be
dv said:
sibeen said:
dv said:
Roy Morgan has results of a “snap SMS poll” of state voting intention in Victoria, showing Labor with a rather inplausible two-party lead of 59.5-40.5 from primary votes of Labor 43.5%, Coalition 29.5%, Greens 12%, United Australia Party 2% and Derryn Hinch’s Justice Party 1%. The poll was conducted Thursday to Saturday from a sample of 1710. A similar poll in November produced the same two-party result.
Why rather implausible? I doubt one person in 10 could tell you who the opposition leader was.
Some guy…
But you make a valid point. The polling for WA’s election also seemed implausible…
captain_spalding said:
Bogsnorkler said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-04/liberal-party-factions-war-federal-election-four-corners/101198202
Fight! Fight! Fight!
Blimey, what a line-up of dags.
odd that they can’t just all agree that Marketing was the big problem and then kiss and make up
not that we’re saying that Marketing is most of the problem with Corruption, we mean, it is Corruption after all
sibeen said:
dv said:
Roy Morgan has results of a “snap SMS poll” of state voting intention in Victoria, showing Labor with a rather inplausible two-party lead of 59.5-40.5 from primary votes of Labor 43.5%, Coalition 29.5%, Greens 12%, United Australia Party 2% and Derryn Hinch’s Justice Party 1%. The poll was conducted Thursday to Saturday from a sample of 1710. A similar poll in November produced the same two-party result.
Why rather implausible? I doubt one person in 10 could tell you who the opposition leader was.
Seems Rupert’s tactic of repeating Dictator Dan, Dictator Dan, Dictator Dan has had the impact of a damp cabbage leaf.
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/david-pocock-rejects-proposal-for-federal-icacs-power-to-sack-politicians/caks7ppu0
Senator David Pocock has knocked back a suggestion by another independent for a federal corruption watchdog to be able to sack politicians.
North Sydney independent MP Kylea Tink last week suggested the powers for the body, which would range from sanctions to firing politicians based on how severely they breached codes of conduct.
But Senator Pocock said he wouldn’t support such a move. “I have got real concerns about an unelected body being able to dismiss elected representatives,” he told ABC’s Insiders.
Bubblecar said:
sibeen said:
dv said:
Roy Morgan has results of a “snap SMS poll” of state voting intention in Victoria, showing Labor with a rather inplausible two-party lead of 59.5-40.5 from primary votes of Labor 43.5%, Coalition 29.5%, Greens 12%, United Australia Party 2% and Derryn Hinch’s Justice Party 1%. The poll was conducted Thursday to Saturday from a sample of 1710. A similar poll in November produced the same two-party result.
Why rather implausible? I doubt one person in 10 could tell you who the opposition leader was.
Seems Rupert’s tactic of repeating Dictator Dan, Dictator Dan, Dictator Dan has had the impact of a damp cabbage leaf.
If all your headlines are about the bloke you don’t like, no-one ever hears the name of the bloke who you do like.
dv said:
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/david-pocock-rejects-proposal-for-federal-icacs-power-to-sack-politicians/caks7ppu0Senator David Pocock has knocked back a suggestion by another independent for a federal corruption watchdog to be able to sack politicians.
North Sydney independent MP Kylea Tink last week suggested the powers for the body, which would range from sanctions to firing politicians based on how severely they breached codes of conduct.
But Senator Pocock said he wouldn’t support such a move. “I have got real concerns about an unelected body being able to dismiss elected representatives,” he told ABC’s Insiders.
I thought the idea to be able to sack a pollie to be a tad farfetched.
Bogsnorkler said:
dv said:
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/david-pocock-rejects-proposal-for-federal-icacs-power-to-sack-politicians/caks7ppu0Senator David Pocock has knocked back a suggestion by another independent for a federal corruption watchdog to be able to sack politicians.
North Sydney independent MP Kylea Tink last week suggested the powers for the body, which would range from sanctions to firing politicians based on how severely they breached codes of conduct.
But Senator Pocock said he wouldn’t support such a move. “I have got real concerns about an unelected body being able to dismiss elected representatives,” he told ABC’s Insiders.
I thought the idea to be able to sack a pollie to be a tad farfetched.
Perhaps they should be able to recommend to the PM or the Parliament that the person should be sacked, and if they’re not sacked, the PM/Parliament should be compelled to state good non-nebulous reasons why not (no appeals to ‘motherhood’ issues, like ‘freedom’ and ‘sanctity of the electoral process’).
Bogsnorkler said:
dv said:
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/david-pocock-rejects-proposal-for-federal-icacs-power-to-sack-politicians/caks7ppu0Senator David Pocock has knocked back a suggestion by another independent for a federal corruption watchdog to be able to sack politicians.
North Sydney independent MP Kylea Tink last week suggested the powers for the body, which would range from sanctions to firing politicians based on how severely they breached codes of conduct.
But Senator Pocock said he wouldn’t support such a move. “I have got real concerns about an unelected body being able to dismiss elected representatives,” he told ABC’s Insiders.
I thought the idea to be able to sack a pollie to be a tad farfetched.
we mean why let integrity get in the way of populism
Bubblecar said:
sibeen said:
dv said:
Roy Morgan has results of a “snap SMS poll” of state voting intention in Victoria, showing Labor with a rather inplausible two-party lead of 59.5-40.5 from primary votes of Labor 43.5%, Coalition 29.5%, Greens 12%, United Australia Party 2% and Derryn Hinch’s Justice Party 1%. The poll was conducted Thursday to Saturday from a sample of 1710. A similar poll in November produced the same two-party result.
Why rather implausible? I doubt one person in 10 could tell you who the opposition leader was.
Seems Rupert’s tactic of repeating Dictator Dan, Dictator Dan, Dictator Dan has had the impact of a damp cabbage leaf.
But if the Labs are so popular in Victoria how come they did so poorly in that state in the federal election?
Bogsnorkler said:
dv said:
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/david-pocock-rejects-proposal-for-federal-icacs-power-to-sack-politicians/caks7ppu0Senator David Pocock has knocked back a suggestion by another independent for a federal corruption watchdog to be able to sack politicians.
North Sydney independent MP Kylea Tink last week suggested the powers for the body, which would range from sanctions to firing politicians based on how severely they breached codes of conduct.
But Senator Pocock said he wouldn’t support such a move. “I have got real concerns about an unelected body being able to dismiss elected representatives,” he told ABC’s Insiders.
I thought the idea to be able to sack a pollie to be a tad farfetched.
I think the commission should be able to make criminal referrals, which may ultimately result in convictions in a jury trial, which would mean they are no longer eligible to sit in Parliament.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bubblecar said:
sibeen said:Why rather implausible? I doubt one person in 10 could tell you who the opposition leader was.
Seems Rupert’s tactic of repeating Dictator Dan, Dictator Dan, Dictator Dan has had the impact of a damp cabbage leaf.
But if the Labs are so popular in Victoria how come they did so poorly in that state in the federal election?
They got 55-45 in the federal election.
Perhaps the remaining 4.5% is down to Dan’s positive traits, or the other guy’s negative ones.
dv said:
Bogsnorkler said:
dv said:
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/david-pocock-rejects-proposal-for-federal-icacs-power-to-sack-politicians/caks7ppu0Senator David Pocock has knocked back a suggestion by another independent for a federal corruption watchdog to be able to sack politicians.
North Sydney independent MP Kylea Tink last week suggested the powers for the body, which would range from sanctions to firing politicians based on how severely they breached codes of conduct.
But Senator Pocock said he wouldn’t support such a move. “I have got real concerns about an unelected body being able to dismiss elected representatives,” he told ABC’s Insiders.
I thought the idea to be able to sack a pollie to be a tad farfetched.
I think the commission should be able to make criminal referrals, which may ultimately result in convictions in a jury trial, which would mean they are no longer eligible to sit in Parliament.
Yes considering that stealing as a servant (which is what many get busted for) is a serious charge
dv said:
Bogsnorkler said:
dv said:
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/david-pocock-rejects-proposal-for-federal-icacs-power-to-sack-politicians/caks7ppu0Senator David Pocock has knocked back a suggestion by another independent for a federal corruption watchdog to be able to sack politicians.
North Sydney independent MP Kylea Tink last week suggested the powers for the body, which would range from sanctions to firing politicians based on how severely they breached codes of conduct.
But Senator Pocock said he wouldn’t support such a move. “I have got real concerns about an unelected body being able to dismiss elected representatives,” he told ABC’s Insiders.
I thought the idea to be able to sack a pollie to be a tad farfetched.
I think the commission should be able to make criminal referrals, which may ultimately result in convictions in a jury trial, which would mean they are no longer eligible to sit in Parliament.
That can happen now though not via a commission. Has it ever happened?
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bubblecar said:
sibeen said:Why rather implausible? I doubt one person in 10 could tell you who the opposition leader was.
Seems Rupert’s tactic of repeating Dictator Dan, Dictator Dan, Dictator Dan has had the impact of a damp cabbage leaf.
But if the Labs are so popular in Victoria how come they did so poorly in that state in the federal election?
There was big swings to Labor and they didn’t lose a seat. Hardly poor.
sibeen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bubblecar said:Seems Rupert’s tactic of repeating Dictator Dan, Dictator Dan, Dictator Dan has had the impact of a damp cabbage leaf.
But if the Labs are so popular in Victoria how come they did so poorly in that state in the federal election?
There was big swings to Labor and they didn’t lose a seat. Hardly poor.
I thought the swings were generally less than elsewhere though, with quite a few seats with swings to the Libs.
But I can’t say I did a thorough analysis :)
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:But if the Labs are so popular in Victoria how come they did so poorly in that state in the federal election?
There was big swings to Labor and they didn’t lose a seat. Hardly poor.
I thought the swings were generally less than elsewhere
well once you’re at rock bottom the only way to go is up hey
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:But if the Labs are so popular in Victoria how come they did so poorly in that state in the federal election?
There was big swings to Labor and they didn’t lose a seat. Hardly poor.
I thought the swings were generally less than elsewhere though, with quite a few seats with swings to the Libs.
But I can’t say I did a thorough analysis :)
There was a 1.7% swing in Victoria but you can’t just consider a swing to work out how well they did. The swing is about a change, not a state.
There was a bigger swing to ALP in Qld than there was in Victoria, but obviously the ALP did much better jn Victoria (55-45) than they did in Qld (46-54). They won 24 out of 39 seats in Victoria.
captain_spalding said:
Bogsnorkler said:
dv said:
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/david-pocock-rejects-proposal-for-federal-icacs-power-to-sack-politicians/caks7ppu0Senator David Pocock has knocked back a suggestion by another independent for a federal corruption watchdog to be able to sack politicians.
North Sydney independent MP Kylea Tink last week suggested the powers for the body, which would range from sanctions to firing politicians based on how severely they breached codes of conduct.
But Senator Pocock said he wouldn’t support such a move. “I have got real concerns about an unelected body being able to dismiss elected representatives,” he told ABC’s Insiders.
I thought the idea to be able to sack a pollie to be a tad farfetched.
Perhaps they should be able to recommend to the PM or the Parliament that the person should be sacked, and if they’re not sacked, the PM/Parliament should be compelled to state good non-nebulous reasons why not (no appeals to ‘motherhood’ issues, like ‘freedom’ and ‘sanctity of the electoral process’).
yeah, nah…
any ICAC that is formed should have the power to investigate corrupt or inappropriate behaviour by politicians and have the power to refer its investigations to the police. It’s not the role of an ICAC to make recommendations about if politicians should be sacked (and I’d imagine that would be unconstructional anyway)
Bogsnorkler said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-04/liberal-party-factions-war-federal-election-four-corners/101198202Fight! Fight! Fight!
However, supporters of Mr Hawke have hit back, accusing conservative faction forces aligned with Mr Camenzuli of “thuggish” behaviour that required the intervention of Mr Morrison and Mr Hawke to protect them and others.
Melissa McIntosh, who won the prized western Sydney seat of Lindsay from Labor in 2019, said she was “ambushed” last year at a meeting of her local branches when 20 new people from out of the area turned up and took over all the official party positions.
“They aggressively took over that meeting, every single executive spot that belonged to local people,” she said.
“They shouted over the minister for women, Marise Payne. They shouted over me. These were people we’d never met before in our lives. A bunch of blokes who were working specifically to take me out.”
Ms McIntosh, who is aligned with Mr Hawke and Mr Morrison’s centre-right faction, credits them with heading off what she believed would be a challenge to her preselection to contest the 2022 election.
“If it wasn’t for prime minister Scott Morrison and I wouldn’t have been the candidate for Lindsay and I can definitely say we would not have won the seat of Lindsay. This would now be a Labor seat.”
Ms McIntosh also took aim at the governing body of the NSW Liberal Party, the state executive, over what she believes has been its lack of action on the issue.
She said when she raised the behaviour before the state executive, she was intimidated.
“That state executive is made up of factional warlords who have nothing better to do that to act in a thuggish way towards members of parliament like myself,” she claimed.
Ms McIntosh said for 14 months, the party has ignored her request to investigate the behaviour at the branch’s meeting.
Deputy Liberal leader Sussan Ley, who was shielded from being challenged for preselection by a conservative candidate in her seat, also defended Mr Morrison and Mr Hawke.
“I blame the factional games and the infighting that led to this point and would have seen good cabinet ministers, good first-term members of parliament and good marginal seat members ousted potentially,” she said.
“The general public is completely turned off by what they see is factional games. That’s why we have to get our house in order.”
Ms McIntosh warned that the Liberal party urgently needed to change its culture if it was to attract more women.
“We can have all the quotas in the world, but it will be a revolving door of women if we don’t address the culture within the Liberal Party to make it a more supportive culture where complaints or issues or concerns are taken seriously,” she told Four Corners.
“It is unacceptable that the Liberal Party is allowing this type of behaviour to happen. I can’t encourage other women, professional women, to leave their careers, to spend time away from their families to pursue a career where there is this type of thuggish behaviour happening within the Liberal Party.”
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Pretty Blah news for the ALP in Qld, with today’s poll 50-50 in the 2pp.
Next election is more than 2 years away though.
In the primary votes…
LNP 38%
ALP 34%
Greens 14%
One Nation 10%
If it played out like that you’d expect the Greens to win 4 or 5 seats and probably One Nation to win 2. A hung parliament might result.
But like I say, it’s still years off, they aren’t even halfway through their term.
One difference between the US and Australia is that generally speaking the political differences between the various states is lower. There aren’t deep blue and deep red states in the long term. Even Qld went 54-46 for LNP in the fed election and that’s pretty close, and they have an ALP state govt.
All state governments have changed hands at least once since 2010, and probably except for Vic2022 all of the coming election results are quite unknown. Whereas I know without a skerrick of a doubt what party will be in control of Oklahoma or Massachusetts in 2023, or 2025 or 2027.
Probably the real key is Texas. Its demward drift is slow but sure.
Lol
dv said:
Lol
Shouldn’t he be changing his twitter handle to AlboPM?
I mean Cormann helped nobble the NBN and emissions abatement but yeah sure he’s a real hero of green and digital tech
Dark Orange said:
dv said:
Lol
Shouldn’t he be changing his twitter handle to AlboPM?
Can you message his social media folks about this? They don’t seem to be on top of things.
ms spock said:
Dark Orange said:
dv said:
Lol
Shouldn’t he be changing his twitter handle to AlboPM?
Can you message his social media folks about this? They don’t seem to be on top of things.
Al Bomp is easier to say
dv said:
Lol
sigh
ms spock said:
Dark Orange said:
dv said:
Lol
Shouldn’t he be changing his twitter handle to AlboPM?
Can you message his social media folks about this? They don’t seem to be on top of things.
They’ve blocked me.
Dark Orange said:
ms spock said:
Dark Orange said:Shouldn’t he be changing his twitter handle to AlboPM?
Can you message his social media folks about this? They don’t seem to be on top of things.
They’ve blocked me.
LMAO!
Former Qld MP Aidan McLindon will be running in Mulgrave against Dan Andrews for some reason. He used to be with the Katter Party but I take it he is running as an independent now.
https://twitter.com/CelerySorbet/status/1543827453835038720?s=20&t=ggaC4ylcyh5qCg65ZdUKdw
dv said:
Former Qld MP Aidan McLindon will be running in Mulgrave against Dan Andrews for some reason. He used to be with the Katter Party but I take it he is running as an independent now.https://twitter.com/CelerySorbet/status/1543827453835038720?s=20&t=ggaC4ylcyh5qCg65ZdUKdw
aaand of course he gets the name of the seat he is running in wrong…
I’m reminded that Victoria is the last place in the country to use Group Ticket Voting so no doubt some randos will end up in the Upper House again.
In 2018 the lottery winners were Rod Barton of Transport Matters who got in on the strength of 2590 votes. David Limbrick of the Lib Dems with 3681 votes, Clifford Hayes of Sustainable Australia with 5695 votes. Can probably assume that the Greens were the party most injured by GTV.
Yesterday, Mr Albanese took to Twitter to say he had just come out of “radio silence”after crossing into Poland from Ukraine.
“My first actions were briefings by murraywatt and Dom_Perrottet on NSW flooding and ensuring federal government assistance is being provided,” he said.
The PM urged people to continually check NSW SES and the Bureau of Meteorology for the latest advice on the “constantly changing situation”.
Mr Albanese is expected to arrive back in Australia by Tuesday night, with his office confirming he will visit flooded areas of the Hawkesbury on Thursday with Mr Perrottet, The Daily Telegraph reports.
However, Mr Albanese’s explanation hasn’t gone over well with everyone, with Nationals Leader David Littleproud pointing out how eager the Labor Party was to slam Mr Morrison for being on holiday in Hawaii during the 2019 bushfires.
“I appreciate that but there’s a difference between a media blackout and whether you can pick a phone up, and whether that puts you in harm’s way. I think we want to be fair and equitable on this, but you can’t have your cake and eat it too,” Mr Littleproud told Nine’s Today.
“They were pretty quick to throw a few grenades at Scott Morrison. Yes, he was on holidays but again, let’s get the facts out there. Let’s understand, but at the core of this has to be the victims.
https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/anthony-albanese-blasted-by-opposition-over-response-to-nsw-flood-crisis/news-story/04c50746cdf50fd60dc16cd83d9d375b
It must be hard living up to Joyce’s legacy
dv said:
Yesterday, Mr Albanese took to Twitter to say he had just come out of “radio silence”after crossing into Poland from Ukraine.
“My first actions were briefings by
murraywatt andDom_Perrottet on NSW flooding and ensuring federal government assistance is being provided,” he said.The PM urged people to continually check NSW SES and the Bureau of Meteorology for the latest advice on the “constantly changing situation”.
Mr Albanese is expected to arrive back in Australia by Tuesday night, with his office confirming he will visit flooded areas of the Hawkesbury on Thursday with Mr Perrottet, The Daily Telegraph reports.
However, Mr Albanese’s explanation hasn’t gone over well with everyone, with Nationals Leader David Littleproud pointing out how eager the Labor Party was to slam Mr Morrison for being on holiday in Hawaii during the 2019 bushfires.
“I appreciate that but there’s a difference between a media blackout and whether you can pick a phone up, and whether that puts you in harm’s way. I think we want to be fair and equitable on this, but you can’t have your cake and eat it too,” Mr Littleproud told Nine’s Today.
“They were pretty quick to throw a few grenades at Scott Morrison. Yes, he was on holidays but again, let’s get the facts out there. Let’s understand, but at the core of this has to be the victims.
https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/anthony-albanese-blasted-by-opposition-over-response-to-nsw-flood-crisis/news-story/04c50746cdf50fd60dc16cd83d9d375b
It must be hard living up to Joyce’s legacy
Does having a PM visit a disaster area help, may divert resources away from helping and the can allocate funds from anywhere so don’t actually need to be there.
Cymek said:
dv said:
Yesterday, Mr Albanese took to Twitter to say he had just come out of “radio silence”after crossing into Poland from Ukraine.
“My first actions were briefings by @murraywatt and @Dom_Perrottet on NSW flooding and ensuring federal government assistance is being provided,” he said.
The PM urged people to continually check NSW SES and the Bureau of Meteorology for the latest advice on the “constantly changing situation”.
Mr Albanese is expected to arrive back in Australia by Tuesday night, with his office confirming he will visit flooded areas of the Hawkesbury on Thursday with Mr Perrottet, The Daily Telegraph reports.
However, Mr Albanese’s explanation hasn’t gone over well with everyone, with Nationals Leader David Littleproud pointing out how eager the Labor Party was to slam Mr Morrison for being on holiday in Hawaii during the 2019 bushfires.
“I appreciate that but there’s a difference between a media blackout and whether you can pick a phone up, and whether that puts you in harm’s way. I think we want to be fair and equitable on this, but you can’t have your cake and eat it too,” Mr Littleproud told Nine’s Today.
“They were pretty quick to throw a few grenades at Scott Morrison. Yes, he was on holidays but again, let’s get the facts out there. Let’s understand, but at the core of this has to be the victims.
It must be hard living up to Joyce’s legacy
Does having a PM visit a disaster area help, may divert resources away from helping and the can allocate funds from anywhere so don’t actually need to be there.
well we mean fk they’re called the Labor party right
so actually working is like a holiday for them, that’s why they deserve all the hate they can get
dv said:
Yesterday, Mr Albanese took to Twitter to say he had just come out of “radio silence”after crossing into Poland from Ukraine.
“My first actions were briefings by
murraywatt andDom_Perrottet on NSW flooding and ensuring federal government assistance is being provided,” he said.The PM urged people to continually check NSW SES and the Bureau of Meteorology for the latest advice on the “constantly changing situation”.
Mr Albanese is expected to arrive back in Australia by Tuesday night, with his office confirming he will visit flooded areas of the Hawkesbury on Thursday with Mr Perrottet, The Daily Telegraph reports.
However, Mr Albanese’s explanation hasn’t gone over well with everyone, with Nationals Leader David Littleproud pointing out how eager the Labor Party was to slam Mr Morrison for being on holiday in Hawaii during the 2019 bushfires.
“I appreciate that but there’s a difference between a media blackout and whether you can pick a phone up, and whether that puts you in harm’s way. I think we want to be fair and equitable on this, but you can’t have your cake and eat it too,” Mr Littleproud told Nine’s Today.
“They were pretty quick to throw a few grenades at Scott Morrison. Yes, he was on holidays but again, let’s get the facts out there. Let’s understand, but at the core of this has to be the victims.
https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/anthony-albanese-blasted-by-opposition-over-response-to-nsw-flood-crisis/news-story/04c50746cdf50fd60dc16cd83d9d375b
It must be hard living up to Joyce’s legacy
“Radio silence” and “media blackout” are not the same thing…
just saying
SCIENCE said:
Cymek said:dv said:
Yesterday, Mr Albanese took to Twitter to say he had just come out of “radio silence”after crossing into Poland from Ukraine.
“My first actions were briefings by @murraywatt and @Dom_Perrottet on NSW flooding and ensuring federal government assistance is being provided,” he said.
The PM urged people to continually check NSW SES and the Bureau of Meteorology for the latest advice on the “constantly changing situation”.
Mr Albanese is expected to arrive back in Australia by Tuesday night, with his office confirming he will visit flooded areas of the Hawkesbury on Thursday with Mr Perrottet, The Daily Telegraph reports.
However, Mr Albanese’s explanation hasn’t gone over well with everyone, with Nationals Leader David Littleproud pointing out how eager the Labor Party was to slam Mr Morrison for being on holiday in Hawaii during the 2019 bushfires.
“I appreciate that but there’s a difference between a media blackout and whether you can pick a phone up, and whether that puts you in harm’s way. I think we want to be fair and equitable on this, but you can’t have your cake and eat it too,” Mr Littleproud told Nine’s Today.
“They were pretty quick to throw a few grenades at Scott Morrison. Yes, he was on holidays but again, let’s get the facts out there. Let’s understand, but at the core of this has to be the victims.
It must be hard living up to Joyce’s legacy
Does having a PM visit a disaster area help, may divert resources away from helping and the can allocate funds from anywhere so don’t actually need to be there.
well we mean fk they’re called the Labor party right
so actually working is like a holiday for them, that’s why they deserve all the hate they can get
Wouldn’t locals appreciate say Dame Edna paying a visit, call everyone possums and do a number
party_pants said:
dv said:Yesterday, Mr Albanese took to Twitter to say he had just come out of “radio silence”after crossing into Poland from Ukraine.
“My first actions were briefings by
murraywatt andDom_Perrottet on NSW flooding and ensuring federal government assistance is being provided,” he said.The PM urged people to continually check NSW SES and the Bureau of Meteorology for the latest advice on the “constantly changing situation”.
Mr Albanese is expected to arrive back in Australia by Tuesday night, with his office confirming he will visit flooded areas of the Hawkesbury on Thursday with Mr Perrottet, The Daily Telegraph reports.
However, Mr Albanese’s explanation hasn’t gone over well with everyone, with Nationals Leader David Littleproud pointing out how eager the Labor Party was to slam Mr Morrison for being on holiday in Hawaii during the 2019 bushfires.
“I appreciate that but there’s a difference between a media blackout and whether you can pick a phone up, and whether that puts you in harm’s way. I think we want to be fair and equitable on this, but you can’t have your cake and eat it too,” Mr Littleproud told Nine’s Today.
“They were pretty quick to throw a few grenades at Scott Morrison. Yes, he was on holidays but again, let’s get the facts out there. Let’s understand, but at the core of this has to be the victims.
https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/anthony-albanese-blasted-by-opposition-over-response-to-nsw-flood-crisis/news-story/04c50746cdf50fd60dc16cd83d9d375b
It must be hard living up to Joyce’s legacy
“Radio silence” and “media blackout” are not the same thing…
just saying
Media blackout is what happened at the Murdoch papers when that 59.5-40.5 poll came out yesterday, they literally didn’t cover it.
9 News did though.
The labor party recorded the it’s worst primary vote since 2003.
Shakes fist at funny coloured people.
Peak Warming Man said:
The labor party recorded the it’s worst primary vote since 2003.
Shakes fist at funny coloured people.
err 1903, apparently.
Peak Warming Man said:
Peak Warming Man said:
The labor party recorded the it’s worst primary vote since 2003.
Shakes fist at funny coloured people.
err 1903, apparently.
Isn’t preferential voting wonderful!
Local anger lingers after Kristina Keneally defeat
Recriminations continue to flow over the shock defeat of Kristina Keneally in the once-safe seat of Fowler, with Labor branch members in south-west Sydney calling for the party’s head office to discipline those who “white-anted” the former premier.
Members of the Cabramatta branch also called on the NSW ALP to consider expelling Tu Le, a Vietnamese-Australian lawyer who had hoped to run for Labor in Fowler before Keneally was controversially “parachuted” into the seat.
Former longtime Fowler MP Chris Hayes was also criticised at a recent branch meeting for not doing enough to help Keneally’s campaign.
Independent Dai Le scored one of the biggest upsets on election night by defeating Keneally in Fowler, a seat Labor previously held on a comfortable 14 per cent margin.
At a heated meeting of the Cabramatta branch last month, party members hit out at Tu Le for criticising the party following Labor’s decision to preselect Keneally last year, according to confidential minutes obtained by the Herald.
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https://www.theage.com.au/national/local-anger-lingers-after-kristina-keneally-defeat-20220705-p5az67.html
dv said:
Local anger lingers after Kristina Keneally defeatRecriminations continue to flow over the shock defeat of Kristina Keneally in the once-safe seat of Fowler, with Labor branch members in south-west Sydney calling for the party’s head office to discipline those who “white-anted” the former premier.
Members of the Cabramatta branch also called on the NSW ALP to consider expelling Tu Le, a Vietnamese-Australian lawyer who had hoped to run for Labor in Fowler before Keneally was controversially “parachuted” into the seat.
Former longtime Fowler MP Chris Hayes was also criticised at a recent branch meeting for not doing enough to help Keneally’s campaign.
Independent Dai Le scored one of the biggest upsets on election night by defeating Keneally in Fowler, a seat Labor previously held on a comfortable 14 per cent margin.
At a heated meeting of the Cabramatta branch last month, party members hit out at Tu Le for criticising the party following Labor’s decision to preselect Keneally last year, according to confidential minutes obtained by the Herald.
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https://www.theage.com.au/national/local-anger-lingers-after-kristina-keneally-defeat-20220705-p5az67.html
That really was a very dumb move by the ALP… KK certainly doesn’t fit the western Sydney demographic
Treasury has not modelled the economic impacts of climate change for almost a decade, after the practice was abandoned by former prime minister Tony Abbott.
Key points:A major review of climate change’s impact on the economy has not been commissioned for 15 yearsTreasury has not been asked for climate modelling since the Coalition won government in 2013Jim Chalmers says he is working to re-establish that capacity
But new Treasurer Jim Chalmers has ordered the Treasury to restart its climate modelling and says work is underway to restore the department’s role in climate action.
“Treasury is working closely with other departments to rebuild this capacity after years of neglect under the Coalition, and we’ll have more to say about this important work,” Mr Chalmers told the ABC.
“Treasury’s modelling will help us chart a path that maximises jobs and opportunities for our country as we take advantage of this transformation.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-07/climate-change-treasury-economic-modelling-restarted/101215876
dv said:
Treasury has not modelled the economic impacts of climate change for almost a decade, after the practice was abandoned by former prime minister Tony Abbott.Key points:A major review of climate change’s impact on the economy has not been commissioned for 15 yearsTreasury has not been asked for climate modelling since the Coalition won government in 2013Jim Chalmers says he is working to re-establish that capacity
But new Treasurer Jim Chalmers has ordered the Treasury to restart its climate modelling and says work is underway to restore the department’s role in climate action.
“Treasury is working closely with other departments to rebuild this capacity after years of neglect under the Coalition, and we’ll have more to say about this important work,” Mr Chalmers told the ABC.
“Treasury’s modelling will help us chart a path that maximises jobs and opportunities for our country as we take advantage of this transformation.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-07/climate-change-treasury-economic-modelling-restarted/101215876
A political party that claims to believe in the effectiveness of market forces not doing any modelling of the economic effects of climate change is just ridiculous.
Almost as bad as the main sources of my news not telling me about this before (although I suppose it’s possible they did tell me and I forgot)
The Shovel:
‘ Scott Morrison tells Boris Johnson to start talking about trans kids
“Trust me, it’ll work”’
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Treasury has not modelled the economic impacts of climate change for almost a decade, after the practice was abandoned by former prime minister Tony Abbott.Key points:A major review of climate change’s impact on the economy has not been commissioned for 15 yearsTreasury has not been asked for climate modelling since the Coalition won government in 2013Jim Chalmers says he is working to re-establish that capacity
But new Treasurer Jim Chalmers has ordered the Treasury to restart its climate modelling and says work is underway to restore the department’s role in climate action.
“Treasury is working closely with other departments to rebuild this capacity after years of neglect under the Coalition, and we’ll have more to say about this important work,” Mr Chalmers told the ABC.
“Treasury’s modelling will help us chart a path that maximises jobs and opportunities for our country as we take advantage of this transformation.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-07/climate-change-treasury-economic-modelling-restarted/101215876
A political party that claims to believe in the effectiveness of market forces not doing any modelling of the economic effects of climate change is just ridiculous.
Almost as bad as the main sources of my news not telling me about this before (although I suppose it’s possible they did tell me and I forgot)
Did they at least tell you not to eat crayons?
captain_spalding said:
The Shovel:‘ Scott Morrison tells Boris Johnson to start talking about trans kids
“Trust me, it’ll work”’
LOL
furious said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Treasury has not modelled the economic impacts of climate change for almost a decade, after the practice was abandoned by former prime minister Tony Abbott.Key points:A major review of climate change’s impact on the economy has not been commissioned for 15 yearsTreasury has not been asked for climate modelling since the Coalition won government in 2013Jim Chalmers says he is working to re-establish that capacity
But new Treasurer Jim Chalmers has ordered the Treasury to restart its climate modelling and says work is underway to restore the department’s role in climate action.
“Treasury is working closely with other departments to rebuild this capacity after years of neglect under the Coalition, and we’ll have more to say about this important work,” Mr Chalmers told the ABC.
“Treasury’s modelling will help us chart a path that maximises jobs and opportunities for our country as we take advantage of this transformation.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-07/climate-change-treasury-economic-modelling-restarted/101215876
A political party that claims to believe in the effectiveness of market forces not doing any modelling of the economic effects of climate change is just ridiculous.
Almost as bad as the main sources of my news not telling me about this before (although I suppose it’s possible they did tell me and I forgot)
Did they at least tell you not to eat crayons?
No, not even that!
dv said:
Treasury has not modelled the economic impacts of climate change for almost a decade, after the practice was abandoned by former prime minister Tony Abbott.Key points:A major review of climate change’s impact on the economy has not been commissioned for 15 yearsTreasury has not been asked for climate modelling since the Coalition won government in 2013Jim Chalmers says he is working to re-establish that capacity
But new Treasurer Jim Chalmers has ordered the Treasury to restart its climate modelling and says work is underway to restore the department’s role in climate action.
“Treasury is working closely with other departments to rebuild this capacity after years of neglect under the Coalition, and we’ll have more to say about this important work,” Mr Chalmers told the ABC.
“Treasury’s modelling will help us chart a path that maximises jobs and opportunities for our country as we take advantage of this transformation.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-07/climate-change-treasury-economic-modelling-restarted/101215876
and this is exactly why climate action was always viewed as a cost to the economy.. it’s farcical that they can get away with this sort bullshit.
it makes me almost as angry as the use of the word “unprecedented” as an excuse for not having some form of risk mitigation in place
Independent Member for Clark, Andrew Wilkie, has welcomed the news that the Commonwealth Attorney-General, the Hon Mark Dreyfus QC, has ordered the Commonwealth to drop the charges against Bernard Collaery.
“It’s great news that the Attorney-General has dropped the charges against Bernard Collaery,” Mr Wilkie said. “The fact that Mr Collaery was being prosecuted in the first place was a grave injustice and an outrageous attack on the legal profession, particularly considering he was simply a lawyer doing his job.
“Mr Dreyfus is correct in saying the ‘prosecution should end.’ But the reality is that it never should have begun. The Australian Government is the real villain in this case, having made the appalling decision to spy on East Timor which is one of the poorest countries in south-east Asia.
“While someone should be answering to a court, it certainly should never have been the ASIS whistle-blower and his lawyer.”
Australia needs strong whistle-blower’s legislation.
Michael V said:
Australia needs strong whistle-blower’s legislation.
Protection of ?
Independence day: Labor vows to end ABC board-stacking and ministerial interventions
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/jul/08/independence-day-labor-vows-to-end-abc-board-stacking-and-ministerial-interventions?CMP=share_btn_fb
dv said:
Independence day: Labor vows to end ABC board-stacking and ministerial interventionshttps://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/jul/08/independence-day-labor-vows-to-end-abc-board-stacking-and-ministerial-interventions?CMP=share_btn_fb
I’m digging this PM. My approval rating is high.
dv said:
Independence day: Labor vows to end ABC board-stacking and ministerial interventionshttps://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/jul/08/independence-day-labor-vows-to-end-abc-board-stacking-and-ministerial-interventions?CMP=share_btn_fb
Good luck with that, long overdue.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Independence day: Labor vows to end ABC board-stacking and ministerial interventionshttps://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/jul/08/independence-day-labor-vows-to-end-abc-board-stacking-and-ministerial-interventions?CMP=share_btn_fb
I’m digging this PM. My approval rating is high.
He seems to be channeling Gough to some extent.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Independence day: Labor vows to end ABC board-stacking and ministerial interventionshttps://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/jul/08/independence-day-labor-vows-to-end-abc-board-stacking-and-ministerial-interventions?CMP=share_btn_fb
I’m digging this PM. My approval rating is high.
I’m certainly warming to the Albo so far.
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Independence day: Labor vows to end ABC board-stacking and ministerial interventionshttps://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/jul/08/independence-day-labor-vows-to-end-abc-board-stacking-and-ministerial-interventions?CMP=share_btn_fb
I’m digging this PM. My approval rating is high.
I’m certainly warming to the Albo so far.
It’s like he looks at a question, and asks himself ‘what would Abbott or Morrison do?’, works out the answer, and then does the total opposite.
And, yeah, it works so far.
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Independence day: Labor vows to end ABC board-stacking and ministerial interventionshttps://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/jul/08/independence-day-labor-vows-to-end-abc-board-stacking-and-ministerial-interventions?CMP=share_btn_fb
I’m digging this PM. My approval rating is high.
He seems to be channeling Gough to some extent.
“Crash or crash through”
Although Albo is doing things in a more gentle fashion.
buffy said:
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:I’m digging this PM. My approval rating is high.
He seems to be channeling Gough to some extent.
“Crash or crash through”
Although Albo is doing things in a more gentle fashion.
Subtlety was never one of Gough’s strong points.
Albanese seems to be one of those destined to be a far better PM than opposition leader.
Hard to form an opinion of him during the Scomo period, but he’s shining now.
Bubblecar said:
Albanese seems to be one of those destined to be a far better PM than opposition leader.Hard to form an opinion of him during the Scomo period, but he’s shining now.
It was hard to find an opposition opinion before.
However now we hear too much much of Dutton thinks.
sarahs mum said:
Bubblecar said:
Albanese seems to be one of those destined to be a far better PM than opposition leader.Hard to form an opinion of him during the Scomo period, but he’s shining now.
It was hard to find an opposition opinion before.
However now we hear too much much of Dutton thinks.
True enough.
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Independence day: Labor vows to end ABC board-stacking and ministerial interventionshttps://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/jul/08/independence-day-labor-vows-to-end-abc-board-stacking-and-ministerial-interventions?CMP=share_btn_fb
I’m digging this PM. My approval rating is high.
He seems to be channeling Gough to some extent.
Without the fiscal ineptitude I hope.
all right then when are the ficac and the murdoxit and then we’ll join in the celebrations
This old joke about Australian politics.
Which Australian Prime Minister would they be referring to?
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An Australian, an Englishman and a Japanese were discussing their respective countries over a drink.
The Englishman mentioned that British medicine had progressed so far that doctors had recently taken a single liver, cut it into six pieces and then transplanted it into six separate men. This had resulted in six new workers in the job market.
The Japanese guy said that in his country doctors had cut a lung into 12 pieces, transplanted these into 12 people in need of healthy lungs, thereby putting 12 new people in the job market.
Not to be outdone, the Australian said ‘That’s nothing. In my country, we took one arsehole, made it Prime Minister, and now there are five million people in the market for a job.’
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jul/09/labor-vows-to-shake-up-cosy-monopolists-with-fines-of-up-to-50m-for-anti-competitive-behaviour?CMP=soc_567
Labor vows to shake up ‘cosy monopolists’ with fines of up to $50m for anti-competitive behaviour
dv said:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jul/09/labor-vows-to-shake-up-cosy-monopolists-with-fines-of-up-to-50m-for-anti-competitive-behaviour?CMP=soc_567Labor vows to shake up ‘cosy monopolists’ with fines of up to $50m for anti-competitive behaviour
God-damn, these folks really are channeling 1970s-style Labor, aren’t they?
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jul/09/labor-vows-to-shake-up-cosy-monopolists-with-fines-of-up-to-50m-for-anti-competitive-behaviour?CMP=soc_567Labor vows to shake up ‘cosy monopolists’ with fines of up to $50m for anti-competitive behaviour
God-damn, these folks really are channeling 1970s-style Labor, aren’t they?
But what have they done about tax havens
dv said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jul/09/labor-vows-to-shake-up-cosy-monopolists-with-fines-of-up-to-50m-for-anti-competitive-behaviour?CMP=soc_567Labor vows to shake up ‘cosy monopolists’ with fines of up to $50m for anti-competitive behaviour
God-damn, these folks really are channeling 1970s-style Labor, aren’t they?
But what have they done about tax havens
I’ll be raising that very question in my next letter to Anthony.
dv said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jul/09/labor-vows-to-shake-up-cosy-monopolists-with-fines-of-up-to-50m-for-anti-competitive-behaviour?CMP=soc_567Labor vows to shake up ‘cosy monopolists’ with fines of up to $50m for anti-competitive behaviour
God-damn, these folks really are channeling 1970s-style Labor, aren’t they?
But what have they done about tax havens
charity begins at home
Peter Dutton’s attempt to reignite the education wars ignores a key point of very modern history: it was the Coalition that signed off on the revised national curriculum in April, just days before the federal election was called. Education ministers across Australia had also met in February to consider and pass the draft curriculum, but the federal government and Western Australia, for different reasons, demanded more work on two key subject areas: mathematics and history. After that meeting, acting federal Education minister Stuart Robert wrote to Derek Scott, the chair of the Australian Curriculum, Assessment and Reporting Authority (ACARA), about a “more balanced view” of Australian history and asked that further revisions be made.
Specifically, Robert urged effort to “ensure key aspects of Australian history, namely 1750-1914 and Australia’s post-World War II migrant history are appropriately prioritised and can be taught within the time available”.
Leaked documents obtained by The Saturday Paper from the subsequent April meeting of ministers that endorsed the rushed changes, including briefing papers prepared for those ministers, show how radical some of the changes were.
One document shows there was a 55 per cent cut to the content of the years 7-10 history curriculum as part of the “decluttering” process in the review, with the vast majority of these required teaching strands being taken out in the draft curriculum that went to the February meeting. However, following the Coalition’s intervention, a further 11 mandatory sub-strands were removed between February and April. Similarly, civics and citizenship content was reduced by one-quarter with another four strands cut after Stuart Robert’s entreaties.
The Saturday Paper can reveal the Australian government, under Scott Morrison’s leadership, attempted to have references to “invasion” taken out of the curriculum regarding First Peoples whose land was never ceded to British colonisers.
Under the heading “Restructure to prioritise Australian history in year 9 and 10”, ACARA provided a table to the April ministers’ meeting that showed it had accepted parts of Robert’s pleading letter verbatim.
A new history sub-strand for year 9, not present in the February draft, is: “Making and transforming Australia 1750-1914.” The content feature is a mandatory requirement alongside the teaching of World War I, while two other sub-strands about “Asia and the world” and the “Industrial Revolution and the movement of people” have become optional.
For year 10 students, a new strand called “Building modern Australia” was added as a required study field, while a third strand, “The globalising world”, was made optional. Reference to the potential study of popular culture, migration experiences or the environment movement were deleted entirely.
The Saturday Paper can reveal the Australian government, under Scott Morrison’s leadership, attempted to have references to “invasion” taken out of the curriculum regarding First Peoples whose land was never ceded to British colonisers.
Under a table headed “key and contentious issues”, this matter was summarised by the curriculum authority but largely batted away because it was almost always used “in the context of content discussing the contestability of terms and the different perspectives of historical events”.
“The term ‘invasion’ is not used as the single accepted or standard term used to describe European contact and occupation of Australia,” the ACARA document obtained by The Saturday Paper says.
“There is one instance of the term ‘invasion’ being used in a way that is not in the context of learning about contested terms and different perspectives historical events. This occurs in the following non-mandatory content elaboration for the strand ‘The making of the modern world’.”
In the draft, students were asked to “analyse impact of invasion, colonisation and dispossession of lands by Europeans on the First Nations Peoples of Australia” but this has now been changed in the new version of the curriculum.
Now, year 9 students might learn about how the “occupation and colonisation of Australia by the British, under the now overturned doctrine of terra nullius, were experienced by First Nations Australians as an invasion that denied their occupation of, and connection to, Country/Place”.
Another key issue, summarised by ACARA, is that there were “no references to ‘Judeo-Christian’ in the current curriculum” and although there were some pre-existing mentions of Christian heritage in the original curriculum, ACARA made additional changes to satisfy the Morrison government.
The final document says, “Revised Civics and Citizenship Curriculum includes the additional content elaboration ‘appreciating the cultural and historical foundations of Australia’s Christian heritage and their impact on Australian values’.”
In an interview with The Australian at the weekend, Dutton nominated education as a key battleground on which he intended to rebuild the Liberal Party. He said parents were concerned that education was being “driven by unions and by other activists”.
Dutton framed this as a matter of choice. “There has been a bewilderment by some parents in terms of what they see their kids coming home with. At the same time, education outcomes have declined in our country. This is a debate parents want to have. We want to contribute to that based on the values of our party.”
On Monday, Alan Tudge, who served as Education minister in the former Coalition government before standing aside at the end of last year, and who has retained the portfolio in opposition, said the Coalition “had some success” in rewriting parts of the national curriculum but it was not enough.
“I still want to see a more positive, optimistic view of Australia’s history,” Tudge told Sky News. “There are opportunities for further improvements to the national curriculum and more are going to be needed, more are needed.
“I still want to ensure that is the case, that when students come out of school they really understand how the fact that Australia is one of the wealthiest, freest, most egalitarian and most tolerant societies that has ever existed in all of human history, and the origins of that and how we became that.
“Because if they don’t deeply understand those things, and many don’t, then they’re not going to properly defend it. I think there’s still a lot more work that we can do on that front.”
Although the final curriculum was endorsed in April, the Coalition’s threats to agitate on the education issue are not idle. At that same meeting, ministers resolved to do away with the six-yearly reviews of the national curriculum in favour of a “real-time” watching brief, allowing for updates as and when agreed. Tudge, who said this change was led by the Commonwealth, intends to use this new feature, although it has not been locked in yet.
The curriculum authority will evaluate these review processes and report back to ministers by the end of this year.
ACARA chief executive David de Carvalho said in a statement to this newspaper that “the updated Australian curriculum was endorsed by all Education ministers in April this year and is now live on the new Australian Curriculum website”.
“Implementation is the responsibility of states and territories, so they decide when their schools will implement the new curriculum,” he said.
“Teachers will use the curriculum to develop teaching and learning programs taking into account their local context and the diverse needs of their students.”
Senator Hollie Hughes began the Coalition’s attacks on education in a speech to The Sydney Institute on June 22, blaming the low conservative youth vote on “left-wing rubbish” being taught in schools.
“We have got an education system that is basically run by Marxists,” she said. “When you have got a problem with your education system it is going to take a generation to fix it. Maybe their parents need to turn the internet off for one hour a day, stop allowing them to use the car and get public transport.”
Neither Tudge nor Hughes responded to a request from this newspaper to name specific problems with the current national curriculum approved by the former Morrison government.
One source involved in the briefings for the Education Ministers Meetings in February and April told The Saturday Paper that the Coalition were in the room when the curriculum was endorsed.
“They chaired the meetings; if they want to turn around now and say the national curriculum isn’t good enough, they’re going to have to tell everyone exactly what they propose changing,” the person said. “Frankly, it is a waste of everyone’s time if they keep pushing this bullshit.”
After the February meeting, Robert wrote to ACARA and nominated several experts to contribute to the curriculum. The Saturday Paper can reveal those names included Dr David Hastie, a Christian schools stalwart, Dr Laura Rademaker, an ANU research associate whose work looks at the interaction between Christian missionaries and First Peoples, and historian Jonathon Dallimore.
In a June article for the Bible Society Australia publication Eternity, Hastie noted that there was “an almost entire absence of religion in the foundation to year 6 curriculum” and even though things were better in the year 7-10 portion it was still “alarmingly less than was historically accurate”. That changed with his input. “It is notable,” he wrote, “that these changes were added without demur by ACARA – recognised as just historically accurate: further evidence that the curriculum writers were not particularly doctrinaire in the initial absence of Christianity in version 8.”
During consultation by the curriculum authority, some people and groups were “outright opposed” to an expanded focus on First Nations history.
“The most prominent issue talked about in open-ended feedback concerned the stronger focus on First Nations perspectives in the history curriculum,” says a report on feedback prepared by the University of Queensland.
“There was considerable support and praise for this, which was sometimes qualified by statements that alerted to needing to retain a balance that adequately includes western and other historical content in the curriculum. A small group of respondents was also outright opposed to this component of the revised curriculum.”
Of the 11,894 email submissions received by ACARA during consultation on the humanities and social sciences learning area, almost all of them – 11,458 – were from a mass template email service called One Click Politics, which boasts the National Rifle Association in the United States as a major client.
“A further 251 submissions also appeared to be based on templates although sent from different email addresses. Another three emails came with altogether 302 signatures. The content of all these submissions centred around the Judeo-Christian heritage and the role of Western civilisation in the curriculum,” the feedback report says.
“Some of the respondents, mostly sole respondents, raised concerns about the balance of content, in particular requesting a greater inclusion of content around the role of Christianity in Australia, while most acknowledged the importance of including the impact of First Nations Australians.”
Although individual names are not listed in the consultation reports, it is instructive to look at the organisations and groups who did provide feedback to both the history subject and the “cross-curriculum priority” areas, which aim to embed information on Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander histories and cultures across all subjects.
GetUp! and the Whitlam Institute offered feedback, but aside from professional bodies, parent organisations and expert groups, the list of organisations is dominated by conservative and industry voices.
The Institute of Public Affairs, the anti-abortion Canberra Declaration, Australian Christian Lobby, Menzies Research Centre, Ramsay Centre for Western Civilisation, Margaret Court’s church the Victory Life Centre, BHP, the Anglican Church Diocese of Sydney, FamilyVoice Australia and the Minerals Council of Australia all provided input.
In the briefing paper obtained by The Saturday Paper, ministers were given the outcomes of revisions to the mathematics and history curriculum areas.
In history, ACARA reported that Stuart Robert’s intervention may have actually produced an outcome opposite to what he intended.
“Participants were asked whether there were too many elaborations related to First Nations Peoples from foundation to year 2,” the briefing paper says. “They did not feel there were too many, and they were authentic and targeted.”
The Commonwealth’s request to “prioritise” teaching of Australian history while also reducing content was agreed to “in principle” but the experts consulted were concerned that this would skew student understanding.
“There was concern expressed in relation to the importance of teaching history within the global context, removing flexibility for teachers, and the likelihood of teachers covering the optional content,” the paper says.
“The structure of year 9 and 10 has been retained but further refinements have been made to the content descriptions to address the concerns raised.”
What was approved, in the end, is a mess of apparently disconnected sub-strands squeezed into a topic called “Building modern Australia”.
About half of Australia’s school students will begin learning the new curriculum from next year, although Victoria and New South Wales will start later as they apply the national document to their own state-based “priorities”.
Labor’s minister for Education, Jason Clare, was approached for comment. He did not respond in time for deadline.
https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2022/07/09/pushing-bullshit-leaked-docs-reveal-duttons-education-farce#mtr
Clowns
Labor will push to legislate spending caps and truth in political advertising, as well as promote adherence to the one-vote one-value principle in an ambitious suite of electoral reforms, Don Farrell said.
The special minister of state said that Labor will be “putting the case” to an inquiry into the 2022 election “as to why those things should be done”, signalling their likely inclusion in a government bill to be presented ahead of the next election.
Labor and the Greens supported truth in political advertising and electoral spending caps in the joint standing committee on electoral matters (JSCEM) inquiry that examined the 2019 election, but neither featured as concrete commitments in Labor’s 2022 election campaign.
Read more
Farrell confirmed the party will aim to legislate the reforms, along with tackling malapportionment, whereby some votes in the House of Representatives and Senate count for more than others due to the voter’s state or territory of residence.
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https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jul/10/labor-aims-to-legislate-spending-caps-and-truth-in-advertising-says-don-farrell
Holy shit, they have buried the lede here.
Labor is going to crack down on malapportionment in the senate?
dv said:
Labor will push to legislate spending caps and truth in political advertising, as well as promote adherence to the one-vote one-value principle in an ambitious suite of electoral reforms, Don Farrell said.The special minister of state said that Labor will be “putting the case” to an inquiry into the 2022 election “as to why those things should be done”, signalling their likely inclusion in a government bill to be presented ahead of the next election.
Labor and the Greens supported truth in political advertising and electoral spending caps in the joint standing committee on electoral matters (JSCEM) inquiry that examined the 2019 election, but neither featured as concrete commitments in Labor’s 2022 election campaign.
Read more
Farrell confirmed the party will aim to legislate the reforms, along with tackling malapportionment, whereby some votes in the House of Representatives and Senate count for more than others due to the voter’s state or territory of residence.
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https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jul/10/labor-aims-to-legislate-spending-caps-and-truth-in-advertising-says-don-farrell
Holy shit, they have buried the lede here.
Labor is going to crack down on malapportionment in the senate?
Presumably at least four states won’t be keen on that idea.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Holy shit, they have buried the lede here.
Labor is going to crack down on malapportionment in the senate?
Presumably at least four states won’t be keen on that idea.
ah but is it a good idea
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Holy shit, they have buried the lede here.
Labor is going to crack down on malapportionment in the senate?
Presumably at least four states won’t be keen on that idea.
ah but is it a good idea
I don’t know. I can see advantages and disadvantages.
dv said:
Labor will push to legislate spending caps and truth in political advertising, as well as promote adherence to the one-vote one-value principle in an ambitious suite of electoral reforms, Don Farrell said.The special minister of state said that Labor will be “putting the case” to an inquiry into the 2022 election “as to why those things should be done”, signalling their likely inclusion in a government bill to be presented ahead of the next election.
Labor and the Greens supported truth in political advertising and electoral spending caps in the joint standing committee on electoral matters (JSCEM) inquiry that examined the 2019 election, but neither featured as concrete commitments in Labor’s 2022 election campaign.
Read more
Farrell confirmed the party will aim to legislate the reforms, along with tackling malapportionment, whereby some votes in the House of Representatives and Senate count for more than others due to the voter’s state or territory of residence.
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https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jul/10/labor-aims-to-legislate-spending-caps-and-truth-in-advertising-says-don-farrell
Holy shit, they have buried the lede here.
Labor is going to crack down on malapportionment in the senate?
This arrangement in the Senate was by deliberate choice. Australia is a federation, not a unitary state. Some compromises have to be made to accommodate this.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Labor will push to legislate spending caps and truth in political advertising, as well as promote adherence to the one-vote one-value principle in an ambitious suite of electoral reforms, Don Farrell said.The special minister of state said that Labor will be “putting the case” to an inquiry into the 2022 election “as to why those things should be done”, signalling their likely inclusion in a government bill to be presented ahead of the next election.
Labor and the Greens supported truth in political advertising and electoral spending caps in the joint standing committee on electoral matters (JSCEM) inquiry that examined the 2019 election, but neither featured as concrete commitments in Labor’s 2022 election campaign.
Read more
Farrell confirmed the party will aim to legislate the reforms, along with tackling malapportionment, whereby some votes in the House of Representatives and Senate count for more than others due to the voter’s state or territory of residence.
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https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jul/10/labor-aims-to-legislate-spending-caps-and-truth-in-advertising-says-don-farrell
Holy shit, they have buried the lede here.
Labor is going to crack down on malapportionment in the senate?
Presumably at least four states won’t be keen on that idea.
Well, three. Qld is under-represented in the Senate. In a proportional 76 member Senate, Qld would have 15 seats rather than its current 12.
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Holy shit, they have buried the lede here.
Labor is going to crack down on malapportionment in the senate?
Presumably at least four states won’t be keen on that idea.
ah but is it a good idea
Honestly if I were Labor I’d put this on the backburner. Don’t be pissing people off if you don’t have to. I feel the same about going after the staff numbers of the crossbenchers. Not now. You will probably need these people in 3 years.
It should also be pointed out that perfect apportionment in the Senate will not benefit Labor in this environment. Qld is the least Labory state, WA and SA and Tas quite Labory.
I mean I agree with the principle but this is not the time. You’ll waste political capital and lose friends pushing for a change that won’t pass anyway and wouldn’t benefit Labor if it passed. Bigger fish to fry.
Treasurer to measure ‘wellbeing’ pay-off from economy in first budget
Treasurer Jim Chalmers’ first budget will contain an evaluation of the nation’s wellbeing, tracking Australians’ standard of living and quality of life alongside traditional measures of the economy.
Chalmers will use an address to the Australia New Zealand Leadership Forum in Sydney on Friday to reveal the October 25 budget would contain more than just economic indicators such as unemployment and GDP.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/treasurer-to-measure-wellbeing-pay-off-from-economy-in-first-budget-20220707-p5azua.html?btis
dv said:
Treasurer to measure ‘wellbeing’ pay-off from economy in first budgetTreasurer Jim Chalmers’ first budget will contain an evaluation of the nation’s wellbeing, tracking Australians’ standard of living and quality of life alongside traditional measures of the economy.
Chalmers will use an address to the Australia New Zealand Leadership Forum in Sydney on Friday to reveal the October 25 budget would contain more than just economic indicators such as unemployment and GDP.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/treasurer-to-measure-wellbeing-pay-off-from-economy-in-first-budget-20220707-p5azua.html?btis
:)
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Treasurer to measure ‘wellbeing’ pay-off from economy in first budgetTreasurer Jim Chalmers’ first budget will contain an evaluation of the nation’s wellbeing, tracking Australians’ standard of living and quality of life alongside traditional measures of the economy.
Chalmers will use an address to the Australia New Zealand Leadership Forum in Sydney on Friday to reveal the October 25 budget would contain more than just economic indicators such as unemployment and GDP.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/treasurer-to-measure-wellbeing-pay-off-from-economy-in-first-budget-20220707-p5azua.html?btis
:)
6 weeks of this govt and I’m still not disillusioned.
Executive bonuses will need to be justified in a review of NBN Co, new communications minister says
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/jul/10/executive-bonuses-will-need-to-be-justified-in-a-review-of-nbn-co-new-communications-minister-says?CMP=soc_567
Aw yeah…
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Treasurer to measure ‘wellbeing’ pay-off from economy in first budgetTreasurer Jim Chalmers’ first budget will contain an evaluation of the nation’s wellbeing, tracking Australians’ standard of living and quality of life alongside traditional measures of the economy.
Chalmers will use an address to the Australia New Zealand Leadership Forum in Sydney on Friday to reveal the October 25 budget would contain more than just economic indicators such as unemployment and GDP.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/treasurer-to-measure-wellbeing-pay-off-from-economy-in-first-budget-20220707-p5azua.html?btis
:)
6 weeks of this govt and I’m still not disillusioned.
It is even better than I thought it might be.
and one of my neighbours…who has been having major depressive bouts is claiming that he is feeling happier and the govt is responsible.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said::)
6 weeks of this govt and I’m still not disillusioned.
It is even better than I thought it might be.
and one of my neighbours…who has been having major depressive bouts is claiming that he is feeling happier and the govt is responsible.
It is not much but it is just a little bit better waking up knowing you’ve got a government you can be proud of and optimistic about
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:6 weeks of this govt and I’m still not disillusioned.
It is even better than I thought it might be.
and one of my neighbours…who has been having major depressive bouts is claiming that he is feeling happier and the govt is responsible.
It is not much but it is just a little bit better waking up knowing you’ve got a government you can be proud of and optimistic about
And the ministers don’t shout.
buffy said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:It is even better than I thought it might be.
and one of my neighbours…who has been having major depressive bouts is claiming that he is feeling happier and the govt is responsible.
It is not much but it is just a little bit better waking up knowing you’ve got a government you can be proud of and optimistic about
And the ministers don’t shout.
I have never bought a beer for a minister.
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:6 weeks of this govt and I’m still not disillusioned.
It is even better than I thought it might be.
and one of my neighbours…who has been having major depressive bouts is claiming that he is feeling happier and the govt is responsible.
It is not much but it is just a little bit better waking up knowing you’ve got a government you can be proud of and optimistic about
And that you are not an enemy and they are not after you.
This guy is full to the goog on antipsychotics and mood stabilisers, anti depressants and sleeping tablets. He has a psychiatrist he is seeing fortnightly and a social worker. He has recently gone onto a disability payment. But he has to look for work one day a week.
buffy said:
And the ministers don’t shout.
And, you know what else?
They actually seem to be aware that they have a portfolio, but also seem to know a little bit about it!
How Labor expects to govern with that sort of thing going on…not what we’re used to.
party_pants said:
buffy said:
dv said:It is not much but it is just a little bit better waking up knowing you’ve got a government you can be proud of and optimistic about
And the ministers don’t shout.
I have never bought a beer for a minister.
I’ve bought drinks for a priest. (Note: do NOT try to keep up drink-for-drink with a Catholic priest.)
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:And the ministers don’t shout.
And, you know what else?
They actually seem to be aware that they have a portfolio, but also seem to know a little bit about it!
How Labor expects to govern with that sort of thing going on…not what we’re used to.
You watched Insiders today too, did you?
https://www.theage.com.au/world/asia/china-blames-coalition-government-for-difficulties-with-australia-proposes-four-point-plan-20220710-p5b0iy.html
…
I expect Beijing will soon by sorely disappointed.
Witty Rejoinder said:
https://www.theage.com.au/world/asia/china-blames-coalition-government-for-difficulties-with-australia-proposes-four-point-plan-20220710-p5b0iy.html…
I expect Beijing will soon by sorely disappointed.
By=be
Witty Rejoinder said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
https://www.theage.com.au/world/asia/china-blames-coalition-government-for-difficulties-with-australia-proposes-four-point-plan-20220710-p5b0iy.html…
I expect Beijing will soon by sorely disappointed.
By=be
https://www.theage.com.au/world/asia/china-to-have-a-bigger-say-in-world-affairs-but-must-be-transparent-marles-20220622-p5avuo.html
Witty Rejoinder said:
https://www.theage.com.au/world/asia/china-blames-coalition-government-for-difficulties-with-australia-proposes-four-point-plan-20220710-p5b0iy.html…
I expect Beijing will soon by sorely disappointed.
Point 1: China is right!
Point 2: STFU!
Point 3: Do as we say!
Point 4: China is right!
captain_spalding said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
https://www.theage.com.au/world/asia/china-blames-coalition-government-for-difficulties-with-australia-proposes-four-point-plan-20220710-p5b0iy.html…
I expect Beijing will soon by sorely disappointed.
Point 1: China is right!
Point 2: STFU!
Point 3: Do as we say!
Point 4: China is right!
“accumulate positive energy”
Well SCIENCE was just talking about renewable energy storage
Witty Rejoinder said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
https://www.theage.com.au/world/asia/china-blames-coalition-government-for-difficulties-with-australia-proposes-four-point-plan-20220710-p5b0iy.html…
I expect Beijing will soon by sorely disappointed.
By=be
The four points listed in the article are just a collection of meaningless buzz-words. I want some detail as to what specifically they mean by each point.
But, as you say I do not hold out much hope for any reconciliation with China. Australia is one of many countries in the untenable situation of having China as a large trading partner, but having the USA as their main military/strategic partner. China and the US have deliberately chosen a path of strategic competition, and so everybody else is going to have to chose one over the other eventually. China has forced Australia into a choice and we have jumped with both feet into the pro-western pro-democracy camp. There is no going back now.
party_pants said:
The four points listed in the article are just a collection of meaningless buzz-words. I want some detail as to what specifically they mean by each point.
But, as you say I do not hold out much hope for any reconciliation with China. Australia is one of many countries in the untenable situation of having China as a large trading partner, but having the USA as their main military/strategic partner. China and the US have deliberately chosen a path of strategic competition, and so everybody else is going to have to chose one over the other eventually. China has forced Australia into a choice and we have jumped with both feet into the pro-western pro-democracy camp. There is no going back now.
Perhaps it’s ‘the devil you know rather than the devil you don’t’, but it’s hard to see how Australia could dramatically forswear its alignment with the US/the West and embrace China’s outlook wholeheartedly.
Let’s face it, we’re a Western society planted in the Eastern world. Our values, aims, hopes, whatever, are Western.
And China has enough skeletons in the half-closed closet to make us wary. Oh, the US and ‘the West’ have been/are no saints, but what China has done within living memory, and what it does today as matters of ongoing policy, don’t look awfully attractive.
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:The four points listed in the article are just a collection of meaningless buzz-words. I want some detail as to what specifically they mean by each point.
But, as you say I do not hold out much hope for any reconciliation with China. Australia is one of many countries in the untenable situation of having China as a large trading partner, but having the USA as their main military/strategic partner. China and the US have deliberately chosen a path of strategic competition, and so everybody else is going to have to chose one over the other eventually. China has forced Australia into a choice and we have jumped with both feet into the pro-western pro-democracy camp. There is no going back now.
Perhaps it’s ‘the devil you know rather than the devil you don’t’, but it’s hard to see how Australia could dramatically forswear its alignment with the US/the West and embrace China’s outlook wholeheartedly.
Let’s face it, we’re a Western society planted in the Eastern world. Our values, aims, hopes, whatever, are Western.
And China has enough skeletons in the half-closed closet to make us wary. Oh, the US and ‘the West’ have been/are no saints, but what China has done within living memory, and what it does today as matters of ongoing policy, don’t look awfully attractive.
Luckily we are just far enough away
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:The four points listed in the article are just a collection of meaningless buzz-words. I want some detail as to what specifically they mean by each point.
But, as you say I do not hold out much hope for any reconciliation with China. Australia is one of many countries in the untenable situation of having China as a large trading partner, but having the USA as their main military/strategic partner. China and the US have deliberately chosen a path of strategic competition, and so everybody else is going to have to chose one over the other eventually. China has forced Australia into a choice and we have jumped with both feet into the pro-western pro-democracy camp. There is no going back now.
Perhaps it’s ‘the devil you know rather than the devil you don’t’, but it’s hard to see how Australia could dramatically forswear its alignment with the US/the West and embrace China’s outlook wholeheartedly.
Let’s face it, we’re a Western society planted in the Eastern world. Our values, aims, hopes, whatever, are Western.
And China has enough skeletons in the half-closed closet to make us wary. Oh, the US and ‘the West’ have been/are no saints, but what China has done within living memory, and what it does today as matters of ongoing policy, don’t look awfully attractive.
Luckily we are just far enough away
And we have Indonesia between us and them.
fuck reduction in transmission of infectious virulents
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:Perhaps it’s ‘the devil you know rather than the devil you don’t’, but it’s hard to see how Australia could dramatically forswear its alignment with the US/the West and embrace China’s outlook wholeheartedly.
Let’s face it, we’re a Western society planted in the Eastern world. Our values, aims, hopes, whatever, are Western.
And China has enough skeletons in the half-closed closet to make us wary. Oh, the US and ‘the West’ have been/are no saints, but what China has done within living memory, and what it does today as matters of ongoing policy, don’t look awfully attractive.
Luckily we are just far enough away
And we have Indonesia between us and them.
Australian defence policy: 1. Be able to beat Indonesia. 2. Make sure no one else can defeat Indonesia.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Australian defence policy: 1. Be able to beat Indonesia. 2. Make sure no one else can defeat Indonesia.
Australian defence policy: visit Indonesia before Indonesia visits you.
Seriously, it’s an advantage to have Indonesia where it is. Any ideas China might have from that direction might cause consternation in Djakarta, or wherever the capital is at the time.
Which is why China is so keen on the Solomons. Just look up ‘WW2’ and ‘Guadalcanal’ to learn why.
captain_spalding said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Australian defence policy: 1. Be able to beat Indonesia. 2. Make sure no one else can defeat Indonesia.
Australian defence policy: visit Indonesia before Indonesia visits you.
Seriously, it’s an advantage to have Indonesia where it is. Any ideas China might have from that direction might cause consternation in Djakarta, or wherever the capital is at the time.
Which is why China is so keen on the Solomons. Just look up ‘WW2’ and ‘Guadalcanal’ to learn why.
Thanks to AUKUS, Australia will be getting Tomahawk cruise missiles. The could take care of any Chinese bases on SI from a long way out. Any Chinese base on SI would be going well out on a limb and feeling vulnerable and isolated IMHO.
The Greens will seek to amend Labor’s integrity commission legislation to protect whistleblowers and lower the bar for investigations, in a test for government cooperation with the crossbench.
On Sunday the Greens justice spokesperson, David Shoebridge, revealed the party in the Senate would adopt a suite of amendments requested by transparency experts to align the Labor proposal with the crossbench bill championed by independent MP Helen Haines in the last parliament.
The changes include giving the integrity commission budgetary independence, lowering the bar for investigations to cover “serious or systemic” corruption and bringing stakeholders in the private sector within the body’s remit.
Read more
In consultations with stakeholders, MPs and senators, the attorney general, Mark Dreyfus, has suggested the government will improve protections for whistleblowers but it has declined to establish a whistleblower protection commissioner, another feature of the Haines bill.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jul/10/greens-to-seek-changes-to-labors-integrity-commission-legislation-to-protect-whistleblowers?CMP=soc_567
wait so we’re gearing up to hit Solomon or something
SCIENCE said:
wait so we’re gearing up to hit Solomon or something
If your military is boned and you have stupid military, government and public service
STAY AT HOME
so about that integrity commission
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-11/jenny-west-gives-evidence-at-barilaro-inquiry/101226376
An executive who missed out on the position of NSW trade commissioner based in New York says she was told the job “would be a present for someone” when her employment offer was withdrawn.
oops there goes $25M to friends
SCIENCE said:
oops there goes $25M to friends
I’m sure that they’ll be more than generously re-imbursed for their expenses so far.
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:
oops there goes $25M to friendsI’m sure that they’ll be more than generously re-imbursed for their expenses so far.
Lucky its not the French
Australian permanent residents in NZ can vote in NZ elections. Discussions are underway to allow the reciprocal.
https://theconversation.com/census-data-shows-poorest-seats-voted-coalition-byelections-or-polls-from-four-states-186115
could start a new thread seeing as it is now July but aus politics seems to have gone off the boil since we actually got a government.
Bogsnorkler said:
https://theconversation.com/census-data-shows-poorest-seats-voted-coalition-byelections-or-polls-from-four-states-186115could start a new thread seeing as it is now July but aus politics seems to have gone off the boil since we actually got a government.
so politics and government aren’t the same thing imagine that
State politics.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-12/evidence-in-john-barilaro-nsw-inquiry-to-be-given-to-icac-/101229378
buffy said:
State politics.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-12/evidence-in-john-barilaro-nsw-inquiry-to-be-given-to-icac-/101229378
NSW Libs are not fast learners
dv said:
buffy said:
State politics.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-12/evidence-in-john-barilaro-nsw-inquiry-to-be-given-to-icac-/101229378
NSW Libs are not fast learners
*Nats …
damn
dv said:
dv said:
buffy said:
State politics.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-12/evidence-in-john-barilaro-nsw-inquiry-to-be-given-to-icac-/101229378
NSW Libs are not fast learners
*Nats …
damn
Same thing really, just country bumpkins
NSW is where the Greens have the biggest state parliament representation, having 7 members in the bicameral legislature, but they have no leader, instead relying on the principle of “collective leadership”.
buffy said:
State politics.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-12/evidence-in-john-barilaro-nsw-inquiry-to-be-given-to-icac-/101229378
Its a middle class whinge
buffy said:
State politics.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-12/evidence-in-john-barilaro-nsw-inquiry-to-be-given-to-icac-/101229378
Fancy that google had to pay barilaro money for giving freindlyjordies a platform to say that barilaro was corrupt.
wookiemeister said:
buffy said:
State politics.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-12/evidence-in-john-barilaro-nsw-inquiry-to-be-given-to-icac-/101229378
Some chick from the public service was whinging about not getting a 500,000 a year job in America – right ?Its a middle class whinge
That is not a summary of the story.
wookiemeister said:
buffy said:
State politics.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-12/evidence-in-john-barilaro-nsw-inquiry-to-be-given-to-icac-/101229378
Some chick from the public service was whinging about not getting a 500,000 a year job in America – right ?Its a middle class whinge
No, the leader of the Nationals created a 500000 dollar job overseas, arranged for one of his subordinates to award the job, then had himself chosen for the job.
Try and keep up.
sarahs mum said:
buffy said:
State politics.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-12/evidence-in-john-barilaro-nsw-inquiry-to-be-given-to-icac-/101229378
Fancy that google had to pay barilaro money for giving freindlyjordies a platform to say that barilaro was corrupt.
Can we have a whip around to cover Google’s costs…
dv said:
wookiemeister said:
buffy said:
State politics.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-12/evidence-in-john-barilaro-nsw-inquiry-to-be-given-to-icac-/101229378
Some chick from the public service was whinging about not getting a 500,000 a year job in America – right ?Its a middle class whinge
No, the leader of the Nationals created a 500000 dollar job overseas, arranged for one of his subordinates to award the job, then had himself chosen for the job.
Try and keep up.
Johnny B. was careful to design himself a nice little parachute to ease his departure from politics. Nothing like a nice, long, expenses-paid, enormous-salary, holiday in the country of your choice to ease you back into ‘normal life’.
dv said:
wookiemeister said:
buffy said:
State politics.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-12/evidence-in-john-barilaro-nsw-inquiry-to-be-given-to-icac-/101229378
Some chick from the public service was whinging about not getting a 500,000 a year job in America – right ?Its a middle class whinge
No, the leader of the Nationals created a 500000 dollar job overseas, arranged for one of his subordinates to award the job, then had himself chosen for the job.
Try and keep up.
Woman went through a long external interview process (although her boss was on the panel) and was awarded job and given start date. She commenced packing up and organising schools for her kids. She was then called in and told that ven though sh was a great employee it had been decided that the appointment was now to be a political one and they wre sorry. She was then called in again and told she did not have the job and the job was now a ‘prize’ for someone. She was then sacked from her job. And then in the inquiy they said she was crap at her job and took days off(sick leave with certs) and had fake resume details. They attacked her reputation. None of this was true although the crap was all uttered under oath.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
wookiemeister said:Some chick from the public service was whinging about not getting a 500,000 a year job in America – right ?
Its a middle class whinge
No, the leader of the Nationals created a 500000 dollar job overseas, arranged for one of his subordinates to award the job, then had himself chosen for the job.
Try and keep up.
Johnny B. was careful to design himself a nice little parachute to ease his departure from politics. Nothing like a nice, long, expenses-paid, enormous-salary, holiday in the country of your choice to ease you back into ‘normal life’.
….. and don’t forget the “spend more time with his family” bit.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
wookiemeister said:Some chick from the public service was whinging about not getting a 500,000 a year job in America – right ?
Its a middle class whinge
No, the leader of the Nationals created a 500000 dollar job overseas, arranged for one of his subordinates to award the job, then had himself chosen for the job.
Try and keep up.
Woman went through a long external interview process (although her boss was on the panel) and was awarded job and given start date. She commenced packing up and organising schools for her kids. She was then called in and told that ven though sh was a great employee it had been decided that the appointment was now to be a political one and they wre sorry. She was then called in again and told she did not have the job and the job was now a ‘prize’ for someone. She was then sacked from her job. And then in the inquiy they said she was crap at her job and took days off(sick leave with certs) and had fake resume details. They attacked her reputation. None of this was true although the crap was all uttered under oath.
Good thing she didn’t own a horse.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
wookiemeister said:Some chick from the public service was whinging about not getting a 500,000 a year job in America – right ?
Its a middle class whinge
No, the leader of the Nationals created a 500000 dollar job overseas, arranged for one of his subordinates to award the job, then had himself chosen for the job.
Try and keep up.
Woman went through a long external interview process (although her boss was on the panel) and was awarded job and given start date. She commenced packing up and organising schools for her kids. She was then called in and told that ven though sh was a great employee it had been decided that the appointment was now to be a political one and they wre sorry. She was then called in again and told she did not have the job and the job was now a ‘prize’ for someone. She was then sacked from her job. And then in the inquiy they said she was crap at her job and took days off(sick leave with certs) and had fake resume details. They attacked her reputation. None of this was true although the crap was all uttered under oath.
‘present’ not prize.
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:No, the leader of the Nationals created a 500000 dollar job overseas, arranged for one of his subordinates to award the job, then had himself chosen for the job.
Try and keep up.
Woman went through a long external interview process (although her boss was on the panel) and was awarded job and given start date. She commenced packing up and organising schools for her kids. She was then called in and told that ven though sh was a great employee it had been decided that the appointment was now to be a political one and they wre sorry. She was then called in again and told she did not have the job and the job was now a ‘prize’ for someone. She was then sacked from her job. And then in the inquiy they said she was crap at her job and took days off(sick leave with certs) and had fake resume details. They attacked her reputation. None of this was true although the crap was all uttered under oath.
Good thing she didn’t own a horse.
Her testimony and the timeline is worth the listen.
It looks to me like Perrottet will go to the ICAC at some future point.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
wookiemeister said:Some chick from the public service was whinging about not getting a 500,000 a year job in America – right ?
Its a middle class whinge
No, the leader of the Nationals created a 500000 dollar job overseas, arranged for one of his subordinates to award the job, then had himself chosen for the job.
Try and keep up.
Johnny B. was careful to design himself a nice little parachute to ease his departure from politics. Nothing like a nice, long, expenses-paid, enormous-salary, holiday in the country of your choice to ease you back into ‘normal life’.
So he wasn’t good then
sarahs mum said:
It looks to me like Perrottet will go to the ICAC at some future point.
Yeah, it appears to me that Perrottet (a) doesn’t have any great personal liking for the crook John B. and (b) doesn’t feel that he owes Johnny very much, so chucking him under the bus shouldn’t present Dom with any great ethical/moral quandaries.
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
buffy said:
State politics.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-12/evidence-in-john-barilaro-nsw-inquiry-to-be-given-to-icac-/101229378
Fancy that google had to pay barilaro money for giving freindlyjordies a platform to say that barilaro was corrupt.
Can we have a whip around to cover Google’s costs…
isn’t there a substantially true clause or something
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:Fancy that google had to pay barilaro money for giving freindlyjordies a platform to say that barilaro was corrupt.
Can we have a whip around to cover Google’s costs…
isn’t there a substantially true clause or something
In fairness the complaint was about racist abuse, not about the accusation of corruption. I assume Barilaro took the latter as flattery.
Private equity vultures KKR are close to pitching a $20bn takeover bid for Australia’s largest private healthcare group, Ramsay Health Care which could see most of Australia’s private health system being controlled in foreign tax havens.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovK9iH_Cw7g
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-13/doctors-call-for-covid-mask-mandates-to-return-in-victoria/101226296
“So under those circumstances, you’d expect that there will be a reintroduction of mask mandates as the Chief Health Officer recommends,” he said.
Dr Phair said he suspected the Minister’s decision was political.
Well, Duh.
sibeen said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-13/doctors-call-for-covid-mask-mandates-to-return-in-victoria/101226296“So under those circumstances, you’d expect that there will be a reintroduction of mask mandates as the Chief Health Officer recommends,” he said.
Dr Phair said he suspected the Minister’s decision was political.
Well, Duh.
It’ll be the lead story on all the news media:
‘Politician makes dumb decision based on political motives! – Unprecedented! Can Labor be trusted?!’
Here’s the real reason the Liberals lost the election
The lesson of the Morrison government’s election defeat is that caving to leftist positions might have changed the subject, but it didn’t win votes.
https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/here-s-the-real-reason-the-liberals-lost-the-election-20220711-p5b0sa
Amanda Stoker
dv said:
Here’s the real reason the Liberals lost the electionThe lesson of the Morrison government’s election defeat is that caving to leftist positions might have changed the subject, but it didn’t win votes.
https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/here-s-the-real-reason-the-liberals-lost-the-election-20220711-p5b0sa
Amanda Stoker
paywall.
Thermal coal has hit its highest ever price at $US432.
She is one of more than 50,000 people, or 31,000 households, on Queensland’s social housing register.
The number of households on the register has increased by 78 per cent since 2018.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-13/mother-facing-homelessness-wants-housing-crisis-addressed/101233510
So has the new parliament sitted yet since the election?
Bogsnorkler said:
dv said:
Here’s the real reason the Liberals lost the electionThe lesson of the Morrison government’s election defeat is that caving to leftist positions might have changed the subject, but it didn’t win votes.
https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/here-s-the-real-reason-the-liberals-lost-the-election-20220711-p5b0sa
Amanda Stoker
paywall.
10ft, 11ft, 12ft bunch !
party_pants said:
So has the new parliament sitted yet since the election?
Parliament opens 26 July
dv said:
Bogsnorkler said:
dv said:
Here’s the real reason the Liberals lost the electionThe lesson of the Morrison government’s election defeat is that caving to leftist positions might have changed the subject, but it didn’t win votes.
https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/here-s-the-real-reason-the-liberals-lost-the-election-20220711-p5b0sa
Amanda Stoker
paywall.
10ft, 11ft, 12ft bunch !
OK harry.
Bogsnorkler said:
dv said:
Here’s the real reason the Liberals lost the election
The lesson of the Morrison government’s election defeat is that caving to leftist positions might have changed the subject, but it didn’t win votes.
Amanda Stoker
paywall.
https://tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/topics/16012/
Amanda Stoker
Here’s the real reason the Liberals lost the election
The lesson of the Morrison government’s election defeat is that caving to leftist positions might have changed the subject, but it didn’t win votes.
Amanda Stoker
Columnist
Jul 12, 2022 – 12.40pm
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There is a real risk that the wrong lessons will be learnt by the Liberal Party about the reasons for the federal election loss, and the path back to government.
Two months after the defeat, much of the commentary to date has suggested that because it was largely urban, left-leaning Liberals who lost their seats to the so-called “teal independents”, the party was being punished for being insufficiently progressive. If that becomes the basis of the party’s rebuild strategy, it will also need to become comfortable in the wilderness, Bear Grylls style, for a long time.
For a conservative voter, there appeared to be little difference between the policies of Anthony Albanese and Scott Morrison. Janie Barrett, James Brickwood
It was a lack of differentiation that cost the Liberal’s seats – both in urban areas and in the Senate, on the notional left and right.
For a conservative voter, on the surface there appeared to be little difference between Labor and the Liberals on climate and energy policy, on spending volumes, on attitudes to family or meaningfully protecting religious freedom.
This seriously harmed the Coalition senate vote, where the ability to “turn out the base” is vital to success. That harm manifested differently from state to state, with Labor the beneficiary in WA, costing the Liberals the talented Ben Small. In Victoria, the UAP scored the seat that should have been retained by the capable Greg Mirabella, a reflection of deep-seated frustration about state government encroachments upon individual freedom during the pandemic.
In Queensland’s senate contest, I received the highest individual below-the-line support of any candidate, despite not running a below-the-line campaign. However, the proliferation of minor parties courting frustrated Coalition voters meant I was not re-elected.
Tackling the tough issues
The Liberal Party has been in government at the federal level for two-thirds of the post-World War II era, and history shows that it wins when – rather than avoiding or ceding difficult policy or political issues – it confidently asserts its values to show why the progressive agenda does not in fact represent “progress” at all.
Liberals have tackled tough issues such as the GST, border control and choice of super fund in this way and prevailed despite Labor and Green opposition. Each is now broadly accepted as the right policy setting.
Bold but intellectually sound policy articulation ensures that the community is not taken in by the falsehoods peddled by political opponents, demonstrates leadership, and engenders support even from those who will occasionally think differently.
Yet, in the last term of government, whether it was on climate, gender, identity politics or culture, the approach was too often to say or do what was needed to get it off the agenda in an attempt to move on to our perceived unifying strength: the economy.
Caving to leftist positions might have changed the subject, but it didn’t win votes.
If you believe in imminent catastrophic climate change, the abandonment of the rule of law to prevent corruption, and the primacy of woke social policy over the fundamental freedoms and liberties that made our society rise to prosperity, why would you accept a Liberal grudgingly giving you what you want, when there was a crowded market of Labor, Greens and pseudo-independents offering it with enthusiasm?
The politics of bland managerialism that preferences tactical inoffensiveness over substance must be rejected.
The cumulative effect left the Liberal Party’s base wondering if there was anything for which the parliamentary party was prepared to fight.
There’s nothing wrong with emphasising the economy. But when the wealthy have the luxury of supporting expensive policy positions such as extreme “climate action”, and the middle and working class feel the pinch of rising living costs that threaten their comparatively high standard of living, it is a riskier strategy than it seems.
There will be severe damage to our national interest if Liberals do not respond correctly to defeat. The right response is neither a lurch to the left nor to the right, for it is important to be capable of winning support in our regions, our suburban belt and in urban climes. The politics of bland managerialism that preferences tactical inoffensiveness over substance must be rejected.
The answer is to reconnect with the fundamental and timeless values that have made the country prosperous and our social fabric strong, and to articulate them with confidence and compassion.
Policy must show respect for individual liberty, promoting equality of opportunity, supporting the family unit and genuinely rewarding effort. That will deliver a healthy, tolerant society and a vision for the future that all Australians can get behind. Free enterprise and strong defences makes Australia capable of withstanding rapid change. Practical environmentalism – rather than ineffective posturing that inflicts economic harm on our poorest – is good stewardship.
This was a grudging change of government, with only one in three Australians giving a primary vote to Labor, and the Coalition faring only a little better. Too many people were so underwhelmed as to park their vote with minor parties and pseudo-independents who never deliver more than commentary from the sidelines of a Labor government.
In this context, the Teal-slide should be understood as frustrated urban voters parking their support as they wait for the Liberal Party to rediscover its strengths.
The good news for Liberals is that the recipe for turning the ship around is already written, and it has been tested successfully time and time again.
Amanda Stoker is a former LNP Senator for Queensland. This is her first fortnightly column for The Australian Financial Review.
dv said:
Bogsnorkler said:
dv said:
Here’s the real reason the Liberals lost the electionThe lesson of the Morrison government’s election defeat is that caving to leftist positions might have changed the subject, but it didn’t win votes.
https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/here-s-the-real-reason-the-liberals-lost-the-election-20220711-p5b0sa
Amanda Stoker
paywall.
10ft, 11ft, 12ft bunch !
It’s pretty crappy stuff.
He has a bloodthirsty streak, has Kev
>In this context, the Teal-slide should be understood as frustrated urban voters parking their support as they wait for the Liberal Party to rediscover its strengths.
It’s pretty laughable. She fails to address why Liberal voters switched to independents whose entire spiel was that they were greener and more socially progressive than the Libs, if what they really wanted was for the Libs to turn harder Right.
Bubblecar said:
>In this context, the Teal-slide should be understood as frustrated urban voters parking their support as they wait for the Liberal Party to rediscover its strengths.It’s pretty laughable. She fails to address why Liberal voters switched to independents whose entire spiel was that they were greener and more socially progressive than the Libs, if what they really wanted was for the Libs to turn harder Right.
Quite.
It was a lack of differentiation that cost the Liberal’s seats – both in urban areas and in the Senate, on the notional left and right.For a conservative voter, on the surface there appeared to be little difference between Labor and the Liberals on climate and energy policy, on spending volumes, on attitudes to family or meaningfully protecting religious freedom.
This seriously harmed the Coalition senate vote, where the ability to “turn out the base” is vital to success.
I don’t know whether she is ignorant or dishonest, but “turning out the base”, important though it is in the US, doesn’t mean shit in Australia because we have compulsory voting and preferences.
The Libs did not lose a single seat in the House of Reps to their right. The people who voted 1 for UAP or ONP loyally rendered unto Ceasar and the preferences flowed to the Coalition. Even if all of those parties vanished, they’d still have lost the election.
There seems to be a big divide in the party on this issue and it might be the one that splits the party.
Bubblecar said:
>In this context, the Teal-slide should be understood as frustrated urban voters parking their support as they wait for the Liberal Party to rediscover its strengths.It’s pretty laughable. She fails to address why Liberal voters switched to independents whose entire spiel was that they were greener and more socially progressive than the Libs, if what they really wanted was for the Libs to turn harder Right.
also the Liberals today are a long way from grass roots representation. The Liberal voters were sick of not being represented.
Bubblecar said:
>In this context, the Teal-slide should be understood as frustrated urban voters parking their support as they wait for the Liberal Party to rediscover its strengths.It’s pretty laughable. She fails to address why Liberal voters switched to independents whose entire spiel was that they were greener and more socially progressive than the Libs, if what they really wanted was for the Libs to turn harder Right.
I think it is more a case of the local branches in those electorates choosing moderate candidates because hard right candidates would stand no chance of winning the seat. The fact that even the moderate candidates were not progressive enough to win the seat is the real problem they have to face up to. The core values of the hard right are not the core values of the electorate. You can argue about which one has shifted (or both), but there is now a chasm in between them. Going harder right means oblivion and irrelevance.
party_pants said:
Bubblecar said:
>In this context, the Teal-slide should be understood as frustrated urban voters parking their support as they wait for the Liberal Party to rediscover its strengths.It’s pretty laughable. She fails to address why Liberal voters switched to independents whose entire spiel was that they were greener and more socially progressive than the Libs, if what they really wanted was for the Libs to turn harder Right.
I think it is more a case of the local branches in those electorates choosing moderate candidates because hard right candidates would stand no chance of winning the seat. The fact that even the moderate candidates were not progressive enough to win the seat is the real problem they have to face up to. The core values of the hard right are not the core values of the electorate. You can argue about which one has shifted (or both), but there is now a chasm in between them. Going harder right means oblivion and irrelevance.
I think it more that the liberal party kept selecting people who had no grass root support who then failed to represent them.
And climate change.
sarahs mum said:
party_pants said:
Bubblecar said:
>In this context, the Teal-slide should be understood as frustrated urban voters parking their support as they wait for the Liberal Party to rediscover its strengths.It’s pretty laughable. She fails to address why Liberal voters switched to independents whose entire spiel was that they were greener and more socially progressive than the Libs, if what they really wanted was for the Libs to turn harder Right.
I think it is more a case of the local branches in those electorates choosing moderate candidates because hard right candidates would stand no chance of winning the seat. The fact that even the moderate candidates were not progressive enough to win the seat is the real problem they have to face up to. The core values of the hard right are not the core values of the electorate. You can argue about which one has shifted (or both), but there is now a chasm in between them. Going harder right means oblivion and irrelevance.
I think it more that the liberal party kept selecting people who had no grass root support who then failed to represent them.
And climate change.
Yeah, there is that.
The one point I agree with that these commentators keep banging on about is that the liberals who lost their seat to the Teal Indies were mostly from the moderate wing of the party. The libs that held their seats seem to be more of the hard right types. That’s the basic facts, sadly. I disagree with them on the reasons why the moderates lost seats. The above is my best guess.
My second guess is that the moderates are (in the minds of the electorate) tainted with the hard right just through being within the same party. This means that whatever progressive agenda they try to put forward they will have to compromise or water down to get full party support. So better to vote for an independent that is not held captive to party factions.
Morgan poll not much changed from 2 weeks ago
dv said:
Morgan poll not much changed from 2 weeks ago
Labor will simply have to work harder. Because the coalition aren’t going to make any change.
sarahs mum said:
maybe but do social media have fascist billionaire owners
dv said:
Morgan poll not much changed from 2 weeks ago
wouldn’t mind a bit more of this not much change then
I have to hand it to AFR. They give columns to a wide range of viewpoints…
After publishing Stoker’s ridiculous column they feature another editorial column that absolutely strafes it.
Amanda Stoker’s wild imagination
Michael Roddan
National correspondent
Jul 13, 2022 – 5.21pm
Post-parliamentary careers are often a thing of wonder given Australia’s best and brightest, by virtue of their calling to higher office, generally lack any discernible skills or qualities befitting human beings operating in civil society.
Here at The Australian Financial Review, we have gladly assisted former Liberal National Party senator Amanda Stoker with a fortnightly column. Her first piece of work graced our pages on Wednesday, imploring readers to ignore the reality of the Liberals being eaten away from the left in seats the party had held since time immemorial.
Edwina Pickles
Stoker blamed the Coalition’s defeat on “caving to leftist positions” on topics such as “climate, gender, identity politics or culture”. Here, scant detail or example was given, but sure, whatever.
Stoker’s delusion ran deeper, however. “In Queensland’s senate contest, I received the highest individual below-the-line support of any candidate, despite not running a below-the-line campaign,” she said.
An inglorious fallacy! She didn’t even receive the highest below-the-line support in her own party. Her 11,981 personal votes were half the 21,411 received by first-place ticket holder James McGrath. Stoker barely managed to get a nose in front of the trucker-hat-donning Matt Canavan, who drew 11,822 votes.
That’s putting aside the 21,847 votes won by Labor’s Murray Watt, the 21,671 received by the Greens’ Penny Allman-Payne (presumably awarded in services to double-barrelled surnames), and the 26,550 accrued by Pauline Hanson. In the Hindu-Arabic numeral system, fifth comes well after first. It’s not even a podium place.
When Stoker was placed third on the Queensland LNP senate ticket, she complained that preselectors preferred McGrath because he “drank beer with them more often”, serving only to confirm the Sydney-born lawyer’s drastic lack of understanding of what motivates the denizens of Australia’s dumbest state. Is there a better reason to vote for someone?
Rank-and-file vote avoided
Stoker, by the by, never had to convince the hoi polloi to install her in office. When she replaced George Brandis in 2018, she was endorsed by the LNP state executive, avoiding a vote by rank-and-file members. Before Stoker’s appointment, all federal LNP senators were men, and she had no objection at that juncture to the party softening itself up on the gender front.
When she was demoted down the ticket, Stoker generously offered that preselectors needed to be educated “about what you actually need to be a good parliamentarian”.
Perhaps they could take instruction from Stoker’s time on the Senate Economics Legislation Committee, where she valiantly devoted her energies to fending off regulatory assault on the timeshare industry (the one where unsuspecting consumers are sold an expensive right to use holiday accommodation, often on the Gold Coast).
In 2019, she implored the Australian Securities and Investments Commission to rethink its plan to subject the industry to a seven-day cooling-off period and a 14-day opt-in deferred sales mode (the likes of which have been implemented to protect consumers from dodgy add-on insurance products in car yards).
Stoker, it seemed, had intimate knowledge of the timeshare industry. She knew that “one timeshare company had to lay off 20 staff in Sydney” because of the ASIC consultation, and drew on facts such as “of the over 210,000
presentations that have been attended, only 6.1 per cent of consumers decided to buy” into the schemes. “That’s suggesting there isn’t too much pressure,” she added.
A year later, Stoker showed she was again, indeed, familiar with the way numbers work, touting to ASIC the industry’s “direct employment of 2778 people, a further nearly 1600 people employed indirectly and a direct economic contribution of $692.5 million”.
In all, ASIC commissioner Karen Chester told parliament last year she had taken 82 questions from Stoker on the timeshare industry, including 31 on notice, after the senator had handed the timeshare baton to LNP Gold Coast MP Angie Bell.
In a completely unrelated decision in May this year, the Federal Court found Gold Coast timeshare company Ultiqa Lifestyle Promotions Ltd broke the law by failing to ensure advice to consumers was in their best interests. Justice Kylie Downes said Ultiqa “gave such priority tactics to pressure the consumers to sign up” including preventing customers seeking external advice and misleading that the scheme was “not a timeshare scheme”.
But that’s the law, something perhaps outside the wheelhouse of the former assistant minister to the attorney-general.
Note: A previous version of this article incorrectly stated Amanda Stoker received the fourth highest below-the-line votes. It was the fifth.
https://www.afr.com/rear-window/amanda-stoker-s-wild-imagination-20220713-p5b18q?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=nc&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1657698205
dv said:
I have to hand it to AFR. They give columns to a wide range of viewpoints…After publishing Stoker’s ridiculous column they feature another editorial column that absolutely strafes it.
Amanda Stoker’s wild imagination
Michael Roddan
National correspondentJul 13, 2022 – 5.21pm
Post-parliamentary careers are often a thing of wonder given Australia’s best and brightest, by virtue of their calling to higher office, generally lack any discernible skills or qualities befitting human beings operating in civil society.
Here at The Australian Financial Review, we have gladly assisted former Liberal National Party senator Amanda Stoker with a fortnightly column. Her first piece of work graced our pages on Wednesday, imploring readers to ignore the reality of the Liberals being eaten away from the left in seats the party had held since time immemorial.
Edwina Pickles
Stoker blamed the Coalition’s defeat on “caving to leftist positions” on topics such as “climate, gender, identity politics or culture”. Here, scant detail or example was given, but sure, whatever.
Stoker’s delusion ran deeper, however. “In Queensland’s senate contest, I received the highest individual below-the-line support of any candidate, despite not running a below-the-line campaign,” she said.
An inglorious fallacy! She didn’t even receive the highest below-the-line support in her own party. Her 11,981 personal votes were half the 21,411 received by first-place ticket holder James McGrath. Stoker barely managed to get a nose in front of the trucker-hat-donning Matt Canavan, who drew 11,822 votes.
That’s putting aside the 21,847 votes won by Labor’s Murray Watt, the 21,671 received by the Greens’ Penny Allman-Payne (presumably awarded in services to double-barrelled surnames), and the 26,550 accrued by Pauline Hanson. In the Hindu-Arabic numeral system, fifth comes well after first. It’s not even a podium place.
When Stoker was placed third on the Queensland LNP senate ticket, she complained that preselectors preferred McGrath because he “drank beer with them more often”, serving only to confirm the Sydney-born lawyer’s drastic lack of understanding of what motivates the denizens of Australia’s dumbest state. Is there a better reason to vote for someone?
Rank-and-file vote avoided
Stoker, by the by, never had to convince the hoi polloi to install her in office. When she replaced George Brandis in 2018, she was endorsed by the LNP state executive, avoiding a vote by rank-and-file members. Before Stoker’s appointment, all federal LNP senators were men, and she had no objection at that juncture to the party softening itself up on the gender front.
When she was demoted down the ticket, Stoker generously offered that preselectors needed to be educated “about what you actually need to be a good parliamentarian”.
Perhaps they could take instruction from Stoker’s time on the Senate Economics Legislation Committee, where she valiantly devoted her energies to fending off regulatory assault on the timeshare industry (the one where unsuspecting consumers are sold an expensive right to use holiday accommodation, often on the Gold Coast).
In 2019, she implored the Australian Securities and Investments Commission to rethink its plan to subject the industry to a seven-day cooling-off period and a 14-day opt-in deferred sales mode (the likes of which have been implemented to protect consumers from dodgy add-on insurance products in car yards).
Stoker, it seemed, had intimate knowledge of the timeshare industry. She knew that “one timeshare company had to lay off 20 staff in Sydney” because of the ASIC consultation, and drew on facts such as “of the over 210,000
presentations that have been attended, only 6.1 per cent of consumers decided to buy” into the schemes. “That’s suggesting there isn’t too much pressure,” she added.A year later, Stoker showed she was again, indeed, familiar with the way numbers work, touting to ASIC the industry’s “direct employment of 2778 people, a further nearly 1600 people employed indirectly and a direct economic contribution of $692.5 million”.
In all, ASIC commissioner Karen Chester told parliament last year she had taken 82 questions from Stoker on the timeshare industry, including 31 on notice, after the senator had handed the timeshare baton to LNP Gold Coast MP Angie Bell.
In a completely unrelated decision in May this year, the Federal Court found Gold Coast timeshare company Ultiqa Lifestyle Promotions Ltd broke the law by failing to ensure advice to consumers was in their best interests. Justice Kylie Downes said Ultiqa “gave such priority tactics to pressure the consumers to sign up” including preventing customers seeking external advice and misleading that the scheme was “not a timeshare scheme”.
But that’s the law, something perhaps outside the wheelhouse of the former assistant minister to the attorney-general.
Note: A previous version of this article incorrectly stated Amanda Stoker received the fourth highest below-the-line votes. It was the fifth.
https://www.afr.com/rear-window/amanda-stoker-s-wild-imagination-20220713-p5b18q?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=nc&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1657698205
They’ve also had enough of Gerry Harvey’s whining
dv said:
I have to hand it to AFR. They give columns to a wide range of viewpoints…After publishing Stoker’s ridiculous column they feature another editorial column that absolutely strafes it.
Amanda Stoker’s wild imagination
Michael Roddan
National correspondentJul 13, 2022 – 5.21pm
Post-parliamentary careers are often a thing of wonder given Australia’s best and brightest, by virtue of their calling to higher office, generally lack any discernible skills or qualities befitting human beings operating in civil society.
Here at The Australian Financial Review, we have gladly assisted former Liberal National Party senator Amanda Stoker with a fortnightly column. Her first piece of work graced our pages on Wednesday, imploring readers to ignore the reality of the Liberals being eaten away from the left in seats the party had held since time immemorial.
Edwina Pickles
Stoker blamed the Coalition’s defeat on “caving to leftist positions” on topics such as “climate, gender, identity politics or culture”. Here, scant detail or example was given, but sure, whatever.
Stoker’s delusion ran deeper, however. “In Queensland’s senate contest, I received the highest individual below-the-line support of any candidate, despite not running a below-the-line campaign,” she said.
An inglorious fallacy! She didn’t even receive the highest below-the-line support in her own party. Her 11,981 personal votes were half the 21,411 received by first-place ticket holder James McGrath. Stoker barely managed to get a nose in front of the trucker-hat-donning Matt Canavan, who drew 11,822 votes.
That’s putting aside the 21,847 votes won by Labor’s Murray Watt, the 21,671 received by the Greens’ Penny Allman-Payne (presumably awarded in services to double-barrelled surnames), and the 26,550 accrued by Pauline Hanson. In the Hindu-Arabic numeral system, fifth comes well after first. It’s not even a podium place.
When Stoker was placed third on the Queensland LNP senate ticket, she complained that preselectors preferred McGrath because he “drank beer with them more often”, serving only to confirm the Sydney-born lawyer’s drastic lack of understanding of what motivates the denizens of Australia’s dumbest state. Is there a better reason to vote for someone?
Rank-and-file vote avoided
Stoker, by the by, never had to convince the hoi polloi to install her in office. When she replaced George Brandis in 2018, she was endorsed by the LNP state executive, avoiding a vote by rank-and-file members. Before Stoker’s appointment, all federal LNP senators were men, and she had no objection at that juncture to the party softening itself up on the gender front.
When she was demoted down the ticket, Stoker generously offered that preselectors needed to be educated “about what you actually need to be a good parliamentarian”.
Perhaps they could take instruction from Stoker’s time on the Senate Economics Legislation Committee, where she valiantly devoted her energies to fending off regulatory assault on the timeshare industry (the one where unsuspecting consumers are sold an expensive right to use holiday accommodation, often on the Gold Coast).
In 2019, she implored the Australian Securities and Investments Commission to rethink its plan to subject the industry to a seven-day cooling-off period and a 14-day opt-in deferred sales mode (the likes of which have been implemented to protect consumers from dodgy add-on insurance products in car yards).
Stoker, it seemed, had intimate knowledge of the timeshare industry. She knew that “one timeshare company had to lay off 20 staff in Sydney” because of the ASIC consultation, and drew on facts such as “of the over 210,000
presentations that have been attended, only 6.1 per cent of consumers decided to buy” into the schemes. “That’s suggesting there isn’t too much pressure,” she added.A year later, Stoker showed she was again, indeed, familiar with the way numbers work, touting to ASIC the industry’s “direct employment of 2778 people, a further nearly 1600 people employed indirectly and a direct economic contribution of $692.5 million”.
In all, ASIC commissioner Karen Chester told parliament last year she had taken 82 questions from Stoker on the timeshare industry, including 31 on notice, after the senator had handed the timeshare baton to LNP Gold Coast MP Angie Bell.
In a completely unrelated decision in May this year, the Federal Court found Gold Coast timeshare company Ultiqa Lifestyle Promotions Ltd broke the law by failing to ensure advice to consumers was in their best interests. Justice Kylie Downes said Ultiqa “gave such priority tactics to pressure the consumers to sign up” including preventing customers seeking external advice and misleading that the scheme was “not a timeshare scheme”.
But that’s the law, something perhaps outside the wheelhouse of the former assistant minister to the attorney-general.
Note: A previous version of this article incorrectly stated Amanda Stoker received the fourth highest below-the-line votes. It was the fifth.
https://www.afr.com/rear-window/amanda-stoker-s-wild-imagination-20220713-p5b18q?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=nc&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1657698205
Is she still going on about vampires ?
dv said:
dv said:
I have to hand it to AFR. They give columns to a wide range of viewpoints…After publishing Stoker’s ridiculous column they feature another editorial column that absolutely strafes it.
Amanda Stoker’s wild imagination
Michael Roddan
National correspondentJul 13, 2022 – 5.21pm
Post-parliamentary careers are often a thing of wonder given Australia’s best and brightest, by virtue of their calling to higher office, generally lack any discernible skills or qualities befitting human beings operating in civil society.
Here at The Australian Financial Review, we have gladly assisted former Liberal National Party senator Amanda Stoker with a fortnightly column. Her first piece of work graced our pages on Wednesday, imploring readers to ignore the reality of the Liberals being eaten away from the left in seats the party had held since time immemorial.
Edwina Pickles
Stoker blamed the Coalition’s defeat on “caving to leftist positions” on topics such as “climate, gender, identity politics or culture”. Here, scant detail or example was given, but sure, whatever.
Stoker’s delusion ran deeper, however. “In Queensland’s senate contest, I received the highest individual below-the-line support of any candidate, despite not running a below-the-line campaign,” she said.
An inglorious fallacy! She didn’t even receive the highest below-the-line support in her own party. Her 11,981 personal votes were half the 21,411 received by first-place ticket holder James McGrath. Stoker barely managed to get a nose in front of the trucker-hat-donning Matt Canavan, who drew 11,822 votes.
That’s putting aside the 21,847 votes won by Labor’s Murray Watt, the 21,671 received by the Greens’ Penny Allman-Payne (presumably awarded in services to double-barrelled surnames), and the 26,550 accrued by Pauline Hanson. In the Hindu-Arabic numeral system, fifth comes well after first. It’s not even a podium place.
When Stoker was placed third on the Queensland LNP senate ticket, she complained that preselectors preferred McGrath because he “drank beer with them more often”, serving only to confirm the Sydney-born lawyer’s drastic lack of understanding of what motivates the denizens of Australia’s dumbest state. Is there a better reason to vote for someone?
Rank-and-file vote avoided
Stoker, by the by, never had to convince the hoi polloi to install her in office. When she replaced George Brandis in 2018, she was endorsed by the LNP state executive, avoiding a vote by rank-and-file members. Before Stoker’s appointment, all federal LNP senators were men, and she had no objection at that juncture to the party softening itself up on the gender front.
When she was demoted down the ticket, Stoker generously offered that preselectors needed to be educated “about what you actually need to be a good parliamentarian”.
Perhaps they could take instruction from Stoker’s time on the Senate Economics Legislation Committee, where she valiantly devoted her energies to fending off regulatory assault on the timeshare industry (the one where unsuspecting consumers are sold an expensive right to use holiday accommodation, often on the Gold Coast).
In 2019, she implored the Australian Securities and Investments Commission to rethink its plan to subject the industry to a seven-day cooling-off period and a 14-day opt-in deferred sales mode (the likes of which have been implemented to protect consumers from dodgy add-on insurance products in car yards).
Stoker, it seemed, had intimate knowledge of the timeshare industry. She knew that “one timeshare company had to lay off 20 staff in Sydney” because of the ASIC consultation, and drew on facts such as “of the over 210,000
presentations that have been attended, only 6.1 per cent of consumers decided to buy” into the schemes. “That’s suggesting there isn’t too much pressure,” she added.A year later, Stoker showed she was again, indeed, familiar with the way numbers work, touting to ASIC the industry’s “direct employment of 2778 people, a further nearly 1600 people employed indirectly and a direct economic contribution of $692.5 million”.
In all, ASIC commissioner Karen Chester told parliament last year she had taken 82 questions from Stoker on the timeshare industry, including 31 on notice, after the senator had handed the timeshare baton to LNP Gold Coast MP Angie Bell.
In a completely unrelated decision in May this year, the Federal Court found Gold Coast timeshare company Ultiqa Lifestyle Promotions Ltd broke the law by failing to ensure advice to consumers was in their best interests. Justice Kylie Downes said Ultiqa “gave such priority tactics to pressure the consumers to sign up” including preventing customers seeking external advice and misleading that the scheme was “not a timeshare scheme”.
But that’s the law, something perhaps outside the wheelhouse of the former assistant minister to the attorney-general.
Note: A previous version of this article incorrectly stated Amanda Stoker received the fourth highest below-the-line votes. It was the fifth.
https://www.afr.com/rear-window/amanda-stoker-s-wild-imagination-20220713-p5b18q?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=nc&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1657698205
They’ve also had enough of Gerry Harvey’s whining
He’s a stupid old prick Mr Harvey, whinging as customers dared to find other means to get cheaper prices
How is George Christensen going these days?
dv said:
How is George Christensen going these days?
Does George say anywhere what the purpose if this ‘course’ was?
AFAIK, the Catholic Church sees ‘exorcism’ as an oddity from centuries past which largely still exists only in the minds of the more extremist/simple-minded of the Church community. The practice of ‘exorcism’ being undertaken only as a last resort and as a sop and assurance to the mental well-being of credulous parishoners.
dv said:
How is George Christensen going these days?
Didn’t know about you?
Actually I did know you’re a laughable superstitious boofhead, George.
Seem to be a lot of the Catholics sporting the middle-eastern beardy look, these days.
Prime Minister Anthony Albanese has so far resisted calls to reinstate the payment and has blamed the former government.
“It’s just a fact that we’ve made no decision to cut payments,” he told Channel Nine.
“There were measures that were in place that have been by the former government with end dates to them.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-14/pressure-to-reinstate-covid-pandemic-leave-payments/101238066
Fuck me, that’s weak as piss. He’s made exactly the same argument for cutting out supplying RATS.
sibeen said:
Prime Minister Anthony Albanese has so far resisted calls to reinstate the payment and has blamed the former government.“It’s just a fact that we’ve made no decision to cut payments,” he told Channel Nine.
“There were measures that were in place that have been by the former government with end dates to them.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-14/pressure-to-reinstate-covid-pandemic-leave-payments/101238066
Fuck me, that’s weak as piss. He’s made exactly the same argument for cutting out supplying RATS.
Probably preparing us for bigger disappointments ahead.
Bubblecar said:
sibeen said:
Prime Minister Anthony Albanese has so far resisted calls to reinstate the payment and has blamed the former government.“It’s just a fact that we’ve made no decision to cut payments,” he told Channel Nine.
“There were measures that were in place that have been by the former government with end dates to them.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-14/pressure-to-reinstate-covid-pandemic-leave-payments/101238066
Fuck me, that’s weak as piss. He’s made exactly the same argument for cutting out supplying RATS.
Probably preparing us for bigger disappointments ahead.
Are you struggling to get free RATS ?, they seemed to be not able to give them away in Perth
Cymek said:
Bubblecar said:
sibeen said:
Prime Minister Anthony Albanese has so far resisted calls to reinstate the payment and has blamed the former government.“It’s just a fact that we’ve made no decision to cut payments,” he told Channel Nine.
“There were measures that were in place that have been by the former government with end dates to them.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-14/pressure-to-reinstate-covid-pandemic-leave-payments/101238066
Fuck me, that’s weak as piss. He’s made exactly the same argument for cutting out supplying RATS.
Probably preparing us for bigger disappointments ahead.
Are you struggling to get free RATS ?, they seemed to be not able to give them away in Perth
I haven’t sought any RATS. Maybe I should get a few in store.
But I keep well away from other humans for the most part.
Cymek said:
Bubblecar said:
sibeen said:
Prime Minister Anthony Albanese has so far resisted calls to reinstate the payment and has blamed the former government.“It’s just a fact that we’ve made no decision to cut payments,” he told Channel Nine.
“There were measures that were in place that have been by the former government with end dates to them.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-14/pressure-to-reinstate-covid-pandemic-leave-payments/101238066
Fuck me, that’s weak as piss. He’s made exactly the same argument for cutting out supplying RATS.
Probably preparing us for bigger disappointments ahead.
Are you struggling to get free RATS ?, they seemed to be not able to give them away in Perth
I’m still waiting for the ones I ordered in early March. I’ve still yet to lay eyes on one, ever.
Kingy said:
Cymek said:
Bubblecar said:Probably preparing us for bigger disappointments ahead.
Are you struggling to get free RATS ?, they seemed to be not able to give them away in Perth
I’m still waiting for the ones I ordered in early March. I’ve still yet to lay eyes on one, ever.
They give them out at the train stations in the metro area
Have thousands of boxes
Kingy said:
Cymek said:
Bubblecar said:Probably preparing us for bigger disappointments ahead.
Are you struggling to get free RATS ?, they seemed to be not able to give them away in Perth
I’m still waiting for the ones I ordered in early March. I’ve still yet to lay eyes on one, ever.
I’ve had several RATS tests administered by nurses as part of my hospital treatments this year.
Cymek said:
Bubblecar said:
sibeen said:
Prime Minister Anthony Albanese has so far resisted calls to reinstate the payment and has blamed the former government.“It’s just a fact that we’ve made no decision to cut payments,” he told Channel Nine.
“There were measures that were in place that have been by the former government with end dates to them.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-14/pressure-to-reinstate-covid-pandemic-leave-payments/101238066
Fuck me, that’s weak as piss. He’s made exactly the same argument for cutting out supplying RATS.
Probably preparing us for bigger disappointments ahead.
Are you struggling to get free RATS ?, they seemed to be not able to give them away in Perth
That is a (good) WA state government thing. The rest of Australians have to pay for them.
RATs seem freely available here if you’ve got children.
dv said:
How is George Christensen going these days?
Why, I wonder, does an Australian politician feel the need to seek the approval of an Anglican minister to attend some weird course organised by a Roman Catholic group in Italy?
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
How is George Christensen going these days?
Why, I wonder, does an Australian politician feel the need to seek the approval of an Anglican minister to attend some weird course organised by a Roman Catholic group in Italy?
You just don’t understand modern politics.
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
How is George Christensen going these days?
Why, I wonder, does an Australian politician feel the need to seek the approval of an Anglican minister to attend some weird course organised by a Roman Catholic group in Italy?
You just don’t understand modern politics.
That may well be true.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Why, I wonder, does an Australian politician feel the need to seek the approval of an Anglican minister to attend some weird course organised by a Roman Catholic group in Italy?
You just don’t understand modern politics.
That may well be true.
Don’t feel bad; George doesn’t, either.
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:You just don’t understand modern politics.
That may well be true.
Don’t feel bad; George doesn’t, either.
Well now he will have plenty of free time to read up on all that.
Bubblecar said:
Probably preparing us for bigger disappointments ahead.
maybe they’re preparing us for a gush of love when they then reinstate what everyone always wanted despite Corruption planning and they’ll look like the winning team
fuck Labor and their shit economic management
Australia’s official unemployment rate has dropped to 3.5 per cent, with an estimated 88,400 jobs added to the economy last month. This is the lowest official jobless rate recorded since August 1974
Job vacancies remain high, with almost one available position for every officially unemployed person
wait shouldn’t they be blaming this on the previous Corruption government as well
remember when fucking economic geniuses told us that it was low unemployment that drives inflation, then it was low unemployment driving the acceleration of inflation, and now
In further positive news for the economy, the fall in unemployment occurred despite another increase in the number of people looking for work, with the participation rate rising to a record high of 66.8 per cent.
Even with more jobseekers, there were almost as many vacant positions (480,000 in May) as people still looking for work (494,000 in June).
The super-tight labour market and prospects of higher wages, combined with the surging cost of living, mean more people like 66-year-old Rosemarie Paglinawa are coming back to work.
it’s as if inflation is fucking driving low employment wow
roughbarked said:
Labor to remake carbon credit committee after three controversial Coalition appointments resign
Should we be surprised that putting the foxes in charge of the hen house wasn’t a great idea?
sarahs mum said:
roughbarked said:
Labor to remake carbon credit committee after three controversial Coalition appointments resign
Should we be surprised that putting the foxes in charge of the hen house wasn’t a great idea?
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1908648
Subject: re: Roe v Wade
sarahs mum said:
roughbarked said: Labor to remake carbon credit committee after three controversial Coalition appointments resign Should we be surprised that putting the foxes in charge of the hen house wasn’t a great idea?imagine if bullshit appointments resigned in other free and democratic societies
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they were pushed.
SCIENCE said:
remember when fucking economic geniuses told us that it was low unemployment that drives inflation, then it was low unemployment driving the acceleration of inflation, and now
In further positive news for the economy, the fall in unemployment occurred despite another increase in the number of people looking for work, with the participation rate rising to a record high of 66.8 per cent.
Even with more jobseekers, there were almost as many vacant positions (480,000 in May) as people still looking for work (494,000 in June).
The super-tight labour market and prospects of higher wages, combined with the surging cost of living, mean more people like 66-year-old Rosemarie Paglinawa are coming back to work.
it’s as if inflation is fucking driving low employment wow
The impact of Long COVID on the UK workforce
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/13504851.2022.2098239
Labor to remake carbon credit committee after three controversial Coalition appointments resign
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-14/emissions-reduction-assurance-committee-members-resign/101238956
dv said:
Labor to remake carbon credit committee after three controversial Coalition appointments resignhttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-14/emissions-reduction-assurance-committee-members-resign/101238956
Yesterdays news.
I read his tag as Matthew Gump
Jo Siejka, representing Pembroke on Hobart’s eastern shore, is qleaving parliament and indeed Tasmania, necessitating a by election.
Up for shifting’: Greens seek guarantee 43 per cent emissions reduction target is a floor
The Greens have opened the door to backing the Albanese government’s 43 per cent 2030 emissions reduction target if the legislation guarantees the target is a floor and not a ceiling, but did not rule out siding with the Coalition to vote against it if Labor refused to negotiate.
Leader Adam Bandt said the Greens were “up for shifting” on the issue, signalling a preparedness to relax its demand for a much more ambitious 75 per cent emissions cut by 2030, as the party prepares to hold meetings this week to discuss its approach to Labor’s legislation.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/up-for-shifting-greens-seek-guarantee-43-per-cent-emission-target-is-a-floor-20220717-p5b26e.html
dv said:
Up for shifting’: Greens seek guarantee 43 per cent emissions reduction target is a floorThe Greens have opened the door to backing the Albanese government’s 43 per cent 2030 emissions reduction target if the legislation guarantees the target is a floor and not a ceiling, but did not rule out siding with the Coalition to vote against it if Labor refused to negotiate.
Leader Adam Bandt said the Greens were “up for shifting” on the issue, signalling a preparedness to relax its demand for a much more ambitious 75 per cent emissions cut by 2030, as the party prepares to hold meetings this week to discuss its approach to Labor’s legislation.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/up-for-shifting-greens-seek-guarantee-43-per-cent-emission-target-is-a-floor-20220717-p5b26e.html
must have heard the message from people that we didn’t want a repeat of them going for perfect legislation.
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:
Up for shifting’: Greens seek guarantee 43 per cent emissions reduction target is a floorThe Greens have opened the door to backing the Albanese government’s 43 per cent 2030 emissions reduction target if the legislation guarantees the target is a floor and not a ceiling, but did not rule out siding with the Coalition to vote against it if Labor refused to negotiate.
Leader Adam Bandt said the Greens were “up for shifting” on the issue, signalling a preparedness to relax its demand for a much more ambitious 75 per cent emissions cut by 2030, as the party prepares to hold meetings this week to discuss its approach to Labor’s legislation.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/up-for-shifting-greens-seek-guarantee-43-per-cent-emission-target-is-a-floor-20220717-p5b26e.html
must have heard the message from people that we didn’t want a repeat of them going for perfect legislation.
No, no, no, that can’t be right. There was an article/letter within the last week from someone in the Greens explaining why it was the perfect move.
sibeen said:
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:
Up for shifting’: Greens seek guarantee 43 per cent emissions reduction target is a floorThe Greens have opened the door to backing the Albanese government’s 43 per cent 2030 emissions reduction target if the legislation guarantees the target is a floor and not a ceiling, but did not rule out siding with the Coalition to vote against it if Labor refused to negotiate.
Leader Adam Bandt said the Greens were “up for shifting” on the issue, signalling a preparedness to relax its demand for a much more ambitious 75 per cent emissions cut by 2030, as the party prepares to hold meetings this week to discuss its approach to Labor’s legislation.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/up-for-shifting-greens-seek-guarantee-43-per-cent-emission-target-is-a-floor-20220717-p5b26e.html
must have heard the message from people that we didn’t want a repeat of them going for perfect legislation.
No, no, no, that can’t be right. There was an article/letter within the last week from someone in the Greens explaining why it was the perfect move.
yes, I believe I posted it. But here it is again
Ben Pennings
https://twitter.com/SeriousDan…/status/1546985723076935680
On behalf of the Greens, we would like to officially apologise for voting against Labor’s CPRS in 2009 – a decision which undeniably led to more than a decade of climate inaction in Australia. We apologise for expecting to engage in any kind of serious negotiation in return for our support for the CPRS legislation in the Senate. This is NOT what Parliament is about.
We apologise for thinking that the original ETS designed by Labor’s climate adviser Ross Garnaut in his Climate Change Review was quite good, and shouldn’t be watered down to placate the demands of industry.
We apologise for reading the government’s own Treasury modelling which found the CPRS wouldn’t lead to a reduction in our reliance on fossil fuels or on Australia’s emissions for 20+ years. We apologise for getting legal advice that suggested that raising climate ambition under the CPRS could open up the government to legal action and might result in billion-dollar payouts to polluters.
We apologise for agreeing with Greenpeace, the Australian Youth Climate Coalition, Friends of the Earth, The Wilderness Society, GetUp! and Garnaut himself that the CPRS was bad legislation and should be improved. We apologise for thinking we had an obligation to the people who voted for us to fight for better and stronger action on the climate crisis.
We apologise for voting against the version of the CPRS which Labor had negotiated with the LNP’s Ian Macfarlane (who is currently the chief executive of the Qld Minerals Council but that is NOT relevant here), which was a worse version of a bill we’d already opposed.
We apologise for offering to negotiate on the bill again, and then (somehow) getting the Rudd government to refuse that offer and decide to put off the whole thing for three years, and we apologise for getting a Labor staffer to leak that information to the media.
We apologise for having Kevin Rudd removed as Prime Minister in an ALP leadership spill, apparently because he was terrible to work with and couldn’t negotiate with anyone. We apologise for not being able to work with or negotiate with that same dude.
We apologise for telling Julia Gillard to come up with the “Citizenship Assembly” on climate change policy. We apologise for getting our best electoral result to date in the 2010 election and gaining a seat in the balance of power.
We apologise for then working by consensus to create the Clean Energy Package – a compromised but improved version of the CPRS. We’re sorry that this was introduced only a year after the original CPRS was going to come into effect, and we’re sorry that it lowered emissions.
We’re also sorry that it invested billions of dollars in renewable energy through the CEFC and ARENA. We’re sorry to point this period of success out whenever it’s completely ignored by those who talk about the “decade of climate inaction” that came after 2009.
We’re sorry that we got Julia Gillard to say there would be “no carbon tax” under her government during the election, for making our climate-denying political enemies campaign against our policies and for not doing Labor’s job in exposing Abbott’s lie that the CEP was a “carbon tax”.
We apologise for then orchestrating Julia Gillard’s removal as Prime Minister and the return of Kevin Rudd, which happened for some reason.
We apologise for single handedly losing Labor the 2013 election, even though, as Labor’s Mark Butler has pointed out, “axing the carbon tax” wasn’t a major electoral factor for Coalition voters. We apologise for then single handedly making Labor lose the 2016 and 2019 elections.
We apologise for forcing Labor to accept hundreds of thousands of dollars in political donations from the fossil fuel industry, year after year. We apologise for writing all of Labor’s climate policies since 2009. We apologise for getting Labor to simultaneously campaign on being serious about climate action while still supporting the opening up of new coal and gas mines.
We apologise for Joel Fitzgibbon
We apologise for demanding that after some of the worst bushfires and floods the country has ever seen, Labor take an emissions reduction policy to the 2022 election that was less ambitious than that of the Business Council of Australia.
We apologise for basing our emissions reductions and net zero targets on the science produced by the Climate Council: a respected, independent body which was created by the same people who made up the Climate Commission, which was created by a Labor government.
We apologise for getting our best result ever in 2022, in an election in which the Australian people made it very clear they want real, serious action on climate change. We apologise for gaining the balance of power in the Senate.
We apologise for continuing to stand by our principles and fight for the massive, science-based action required to address the existential crisis we face as a species.
We apologise for not learning the lesson of the CPRS debate: that Labor is always right, the climate should always come second to the interests of fossil fuel capital, and that negotiating anything is for chumps.
We’re sorry for starting the Climate Wars. We pledge to do better.
sibeen said:
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:
Up for shifting’: Greens seek guarantee 43 per cent emissions reduction target is a floorThe Greens have opened the door to backing the Albanese government’s 43 per cent 2030 emissions reduction target if the legislation guarantees the target is a floor and not a ceiling, but did not rule out siding with the Coalition to vote against it if Labor refused to negotiate.
Leader Adam Bandt said the Greens were “up for shifting” on the issue, signalling a preparedness to relax its demand for a much more ambitious 75 per cent emissions cut by 2030, as the party prepares to hold meetings this week to discuss its approach to Labor’s legislation.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/up-for-shifting-greens-seek-guarantee-43-per-cent-emission-target-is-a-floor-20220717-p5b26e.html
must have heard the message from people that we didn’t want a repeat of them going for perfect legislation.
No, no, no, that can’t be right. There was an article/letter within the last week from someone in the Greens explaining why it was the perfect move.
Also… 75% by 2030 and net zero by 2035 is the Greens’ target.
You’d want your skates on.
dv said:
sibeen said:
ChrispenEvan said:must have heard the message from people that we didn’t want a repeat of them going for perfect legislation.
No, no, no, that can’t be right. There was an article/letter within the last week from someone in the Greens explaining why it was the perfect move.
Also… 75% by 2030 and net zero by 2035 is the Greens’ target.
You’d want your skates on.
I’d hope their plan for achieving that is as comprehensive as the one produced by the ALP.
SCIENCE said:
I just wish that Murdoch would hurry up and die so that his heirs can mismanage his empire to pieces.
SCIENCE said:
Schools need masks and air-filters
Glassed off areas for COVIDs.
The men have been charged with “misconduct in public office, arising from Operation Credo”, the Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions has confirmed.
Tony Kelly’s former chief of staff, Laurie Brown, has also been charged with the same offence.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-18/nsw-former-mps-charged-eddie-obeid-joe-tripodi-tony-kelly/101248938
Majority of Australia’s environment in ‘poor’ state as Labor blames the Coalition for decade of ‘inaction and wilful ignorance’
Australia’s environment is in a “poor and deteriorating state”, according to the latest State of the Environment Report.
2016Environment Minster Tanya Plibersek has described the report as a “shocking document”
The most recent report was handed to the previous government in December last year, but it did not release it before the election
Climate change, mining, pollution, invasive species and habitat loss are outlined in the five-yearly report that has been released on Tuesday, with Environment Minister Tanya Plibersek laying the blame squarely at the feet of the previous Coalition government.
The report was handed to the Morrison government in December last year, but former environment minister Sussan Ley did not release it before the election.
The lead author of the report, Emma Johnston from the University of Sydney, said the biggest difference between this report and the previous one from 2016 was how climate change was now damaging the environment.
In previous reports, we’ve been largely talking about the impacts of climate in the future tense,” she said.
“In this report there’s a stark contrast, because we are now documenting widespread impacts of climate change.”
However, the report also outlined ways in which the grim assessment could be improved through stronger protections, innovative thinking and courageous leadership.
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Australia’s environment is in a “poor and deteriorating state”, according to the latest State of the Environment Report.
Key points:Every category except urban environments has deteriorated since the last report was published in 2016Environment Minster Tanya Plibersek has described the report as a “shocking document“The most recent report was handed to the previous government in December last year, but it did not release it before the election
Climate change, mining, pollution, invasive species and habitat loss are outlined in the five-yearly report that has been released on Tuesday, with Environment Minister Tanya Plibersek laying the blame squarely at the feet of the previous Coalition government.
“It tells a story of crisis and decline in Australia’s environment of a decade of government inaction and wilful ignorance,” Ms Plibersek said.
The report was handed to the Morrison government in December last year, but former environment minister Sussan Ley did not release it before the election.
The lead author of the report, Emma Johnston from the University of Sydney, said the biggest difference between this report and the previous one from 2016 was how climate change was now damaging the environment.
Professor Emma Johnston was the lead author of the report. (ABC News: Billy Cooper)
“In previous reports, we’ve been largely talking about the impacts of climate in the future tense,” she said.
“In this report there’s a stark contrast, because we are now documenting widespread impacts of climate change.”
However, the report also outlined ways in which the grim assessment could be improved through stronger protections, innovative thinking and courageous leadership.
A litany of problems
Every category except urban environments was classified as having deteriorated since the last report was written in 2016, including inland water, coasts, air quality and extreme events.
Our environment:
The area
The rating
Climate
Poor and deteriorating
Extreme events
Poor and deteriorating
Land and soil
Poor and deteriorating
Inland water
Poor and deteriorating
Coasts
Poor and deteriorating
Marine
Good and deteriorating
Air
Very good and deteriorating
Urban
Good and neutral
Antarctica
Good and deteriorating
The majority were classified as in a “poor” state.
“Environmental degradation is now considered a threat to humanity, which could bring about societal collapses with long-lasting and severe consequences,” the report said.
Among the litany of problems documented in the report were observations that:
There were now more non-native plant species in Australia than there were native onesOf the 450 gigalitres of water for the environment promised under the Murray-Darling Basin plan, only 2 gigalitres have been deliveredThe number of species listed as threatened has increased by 8 per cent since 2016Up to 78 per cent of Australia’s coastal saltmarshes have been lost since European colonisation and they continue to deteriorateAustralia has lost more mammal species than any other continent
The report also documented tragedies bestowed on specific places and species. A heatwave in 2018 killed 23,000 spectacled flying foxes, which were upgraded to the endangered species list the next year.
And, since just 1990, more than 6.1 million hectares of mature forest have been cleared.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-19/state-of-australian-environment-report/101247794
Do the Chaser people still get paid when they just post the news?
dv said:
Do the Chaser people still get paid when they just post the news?
Still, now he’s seen the light, presumably he will be arguing in favour of a federal anti-corruption commission.
dv said:
Do the Chaser people still get paid when they just post the news?
And we as a country, made him our leader for several years. What does that say about us?
PermeateFree said:
dv said:
Do the Chaser people still get paid when they just post the news?
And we as a country, made him our leader for several years. What does that say about us?
What you mean ‘we’, paleface?
PermeateFree said:
And we as a country, made him our leader for several years. What does that say about us?
I do understand what you mean.
But, in the face of his monumental ineptitude, the Liberal Party kept him as their leader for all that time.
Whether this was because they were busy rorting the various systems and found him to be a useful distraction, or because the on-hand talent book was entirely blank, or both, we can’t know for sure.
Either way, what does that say about the Liberal Party?
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:And we as a country, made him our leader for several years. What does that say about us?
I do understand what you mean.
But, in the face of his monumental ineptitude, the Liberal Party kept him as their leader for all that time.
Whether this was because they were busy rorting the various systems and found him to be a useful distraction, or because the on-hand talent book was entirely blank, or both, we can’t know for sure.
Either way, what does that say about the Liberal Party?
And as importantly if not more so, the National Party. Morrison is representative of the entire LNP and most people have found enough merit in them to keep this organisation in government for prolonged periods. It reminds me of the intellect of the people in America who are so keen on Trump and his cronies.
ABC News:
‘The Reserve Bank of Australia, like many central banks, targets inflation. For the first time since it started doing that, the government is asking whether it actually works, writes Gareth Hutchens.’
See, you just can’t trust Labor to run a government.
They’ve only been in for five minutes, and they’re running around, repairing relations with neighbouring countries, looking seriously at climate issues, releasing previously-hidden reports, asking sensible questions about economic management…
Is this what we’ve been taught to expect from a Federal government? I think not.
dv said:
The lesson seems to be that if you become PM at an election, you’re almost certainly not going to be PM at some subsequent election, whether by your own choice or by the choice of others.
You’re almost bound to be ‘retired’ from that office by your own resignation, or by being deposed by your own party.
These days, federal elections in Australia are run by the AEC in the same way in each state, but Australia’s first federal election was run by the states under their own particular conditions. In South Australia and Western Australia, women could vote, but not elsewhere. In NSW, South Australia, Victoria and Tasmania, aboriginal people could vote, but not elsewhere. Chinese people could vote in Tasmania and South Australia. People from the India could not vote in Northern Territory but they could vote elsewhere.
NSW, Victoria and Western Australia used first past the post in electoral divisions, much as the UK does now.
South Australia operated as a single electoral division, with each voter casting seven votes. Tasmania also operated as a single division, using its popular Hare-Clark system for proportional representation.
Queensland used electoral divisions but instead of first past the post, used contingency voting. This is similar to our current system of preferences, except that if no one gets over 50% primaries, all candidates except the top two are eliminated, and then the remainder are distributed by preferences.
The first election under unified national rules was in 1919, following the Commonwealth Electoral Act 1918. This also established full preference voting.
https://youtu.be/slsIaif4tSE
Part of the Secret Service’s responsibilities is to track crimes involving electronic communications. It strains credulity to suggest that they accidentally deleted the single most important text messages in their history, despite repeated instructions to preserve all communications that took place on Jan 6 or pertained to events thereon.
dv said:
https://youtu.be/slsIaif4tSEPart of the Secret Service’s responsibilities is to track crimes involving electronic communications. It strains credulity to suggest that they accidentally deleted the single most important text messages in their history, despite repeated instructions to preserve all communications that took place on Jan 6 or pertained to events thereon.
I don’t know why this is in this thread but you’re right I’m sure ‘The Australian’ will blame Albo for this.
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
https://youtu.be/slsIaif4tSEPart of the Secret Service’s responsibilities is to track crimes involving electronic communications. It strains credulity to suggest that they accidentally deleted the single most important text messages in their history, despite repeated instructions to preserve all communications that took place on Jan 6 or pertained to events thereon.
I don’t know why this is in this thread but you’re right I’m sure ‘The Australian’ will blame Albo for this.
It was a mistake but I can tie it in to the previous post about the Georgist because another female early Australian politician believed she was pursued by the Secret Service.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Moore-Bentley
According to Andrew Bolt a lot of the authors of the environmental paper released by Tania Unspellable was written by aboriginal activists rather than scientists, I’ll have to check out the authors.
Morrison’s Revelation: Australia has been living in a theocracy and we’re just waking up to it
The former prime minister believes himself to be special in God’s eyes, one of the chosen people spreading the dominion of the Lord.
DAVID HARDAKERJUL 22, 2022
As the Liberal Party surveys the disaster of the 2022 election, it needs to read the sermon Scott Morrison delivered to Margaret Court’s church, Victory Life Centre, last Sunday and ensure that another Morrison can never again rise through the ranks to become parliamentary leader and prime minister.
The reason? Morrison’s 50-minute sermon examined in detail reveals a man who lives in a starkly different reality from most Australians.
Press gallery journalists too should take the time to closely examine the words of Australia’s 30th prime minister and ask themselves how they missed one of the biggest stories of the decade: the coming to power of a politician so thoroughly in the thrall of a niche religious belief.
Crikey has been pointing it out for at least a year, but it took Morrison’s departure to reveal the extent to which God had inhabited the Lodge over the past four years. Morrison’s lengthy sermon to Pentecostal believers gives us a better understanding of the defining features of his prime ministership: his disdain for secular accountability (whether an ICAC or the findings of the Australian National Audit Office) and his ability to mislead, be caught and yet carry on without apparent shame.
Ultimately Morrison reveals himself as a man who can justify much in the cause of spreading the dominion of the Lord. Here is what we have learnt, courtesy of Morrison himself:
God prolonged Jenny’s labour by several hours …
It’s time to call it out: Scott Morrison doesn’t care about secular accountability
More than once Morrison has proclaimed the role of God in the birth of the Morrisons’ first-born daughter, Abigail, on July 7 2007 — the seventh day of the seventh month of the seventh year — after more than a decade of IVF.
In his Victory Life Centre sermon, he added a new and highly significant detail. He said Jenny’s waters broke about 8am on July 6. Jenny would have been happy to give birth “any time after about 10 o’clock that morning, I can tell you”.
“And as we got later that night, it started to twig to me what was going on,” he said. “And Abby was born soon after at 1am on the seventh of the seventh of the seventh. And you know, what that said to me was that God is faithful.”
It’s worth pausing to consider how realistic it is that God would have intervened in Jenny’s labour, but it carries a powerful meaning.
… a signal from God that the Morrisons are special
In Christianity, seven is the number of perfection — referring to the seventh day after God’s work was done. (The sixth, by contrast, is the number of man, a fallen being.)
So God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it God rested from all His work that He had done in creation. (Genesis 2:1-4)
Pentecostal Christians invest the number seven with extra, almost magical, meaning. The implication is that the Morrisons have a special destiny because God has singled them out with a 07/07/07 birth date, a meaning well known to Morrison’s audience.
He also spoke of the day he walked through the green belt in Wellington, New Zealand, and shouted at God in disappointment over the problems he and Jenny were having with conceiving a child: “I let Him have it. I’d say if people had heard this they would have locked me up.”
You bet.
Morrison believes paintings send him messages from God
Morrison told of walking into an art gallery run by a Christian couple in Bourke during a drought when he was treasurer. He saw a painting of an old gum tree on the side of a flowing river and it reminded him of a biblical verse: “Blessed is the one who trusts in the Lord, and whose trust is in the Lord, for thy will be like a tree planted by the water that extends its roots by a stream, and does not fear when the heat comes. But its leaves will be green. And it will not be anxious in a year of drought, nor cease to yield fruit.”
(We might also ask what this means in terms of Morrison’s thinking on the link between climate change and drought, but that’s a whole other story.)
The gum tree by the river is a companion experience to one which Morrison related last year at a Pentecostal Christian conference where he saw a painting of a soaring eagle during the 2019 election campaign that he interpreted as a message from God to keep on going.
Done something wrong? Don’t worry about it
A central point of Morrison’s address was that God understands the anxieties of humans, indeed understands your anxieties better than you do, and that to overcome these anxieties just “declare the name of Jesus and declare His forgiveness, and declare His blood on the cross”.
The biblical verse Morrison quoted is:
Be anxious for nothing. But in everything, by prayer and supplication, and with thanksgiving, make your requests known to God. And the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding will keep your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus. (Philippians 4, 6-7.)
“Be anxious for nothing.” He repeated the phrase again and again, emphasising the word “nothing” and pointing out there were “no exceptions”.
What was there to be anxious about? Morrison referred to “anxiety about our past, the scars, the hurt, the failings, the damage, that you feel”, which can “shut you down … cripple you”. “You cannot be held anxious over these things because God has broken .”
Linked to the idea that “God loves you” for who you are, it’s little wonder Morrison feels released from any guilt or anxiety over his actions.
And surely God’s acceptance must matter more than any audit office investigation or a parliamentary committee finding. The thought becomes scary when you recall that as prime minister Morrison had responsibility for enforcing ministerial standards.
Accusations? They come from Satan
Morrison explicitly brought Satan into the mix as the being that makes accusations: “Satan is known as the accuser, the great accuser, and he’ll keep throwing this stuff at you.”
According to Crikey’s theological expert, “stuff” can be anything the enemy wants to attack you with, justified or not. And Satan is attacking you because you are a Christian and you are a chosen people set apart by God.
It is surely then a short step for Morrison to equate any accusation against him as being the work of Satan and therefore to be brushed aside lest it gets in the way of God’s plan.
Trust in God, not government: theocracy rules
Much has already been made of this section of Morrison’s sermon (with a couple of lines added before and after):
Listen to God as to how he would have you and how he would guide you and be faithful. God’s kingdom will come. It is in his hands, we trust in Him. We don’t trust in governments, we don’t trust in United Nations, thank goodness. We don’t trust in all of these things, fine as they might be. And as important as the role that they play. Believe me, I’ve worked in it and they are important. But as someone who’s been in it, if you are putting your faith in those things, like I put my faith in the Lord, you are making a mistake. They’re earthly, they are fallible. I’m so glad we have a bigger hope.
It is hard to beat as a statement that puts secular government second to theocratic will. It underlines precisely the problem with Morrison as the most senior member of government in Australia: he believes God does it better — a demoralising message, if nothing else, for Canberra’s machinery of government.
We Christians v the rest
Morrison clearly differentiates between Christians and the rest of society, those who don’t know “the truth of God”.
Speaking of treatments for anxiety, he said that when he looked carefully at the many provided, he saw “a lot of parallels what I was learning, and had always known about God, and how God seeks to engage with us”.
“It’s funny how that happens, isn’t it, that people in a secular sphere discover what we already know in a spiritual sphere. It’s the truth of God. It’s the truth of God.
“No matter what society , no matter how they might seek to deny it, or even dismiss it, the truth of God stands up and shines through.”
It is worth recalling that three years ago, and not all that far from Court’s church, Morrison promised $4 million in funding to the Esther Foundation rehab facility run by a Pentecostal pastor using religion-based therapies. Speaking to the women of Esther, Morrison used the same Pentecostal language as he deployed at the Victory Life Centre.
The foundation has now collapsed amid revelations of serious abuse of girls and young women stretching back more than a decade. Health Minister Mark Butler is still unravelling how the funding came to be approved from the Health Department budget.
From Morrison there is no word — but then none is required when you are the Lord’s anointed.
https://www.crikey.com.au/2022/07/22/morrisons-revelation-australia-lived-under-theocracy/
Peak Warming Man said:
According to Andrew Bolt a lot of the authors of the environmental paper released by Tania Unspellable was written by aboriginal activists rather than scientists, I’ll have to check out the authors.
The report that was commissioned by the previous government?
Peak Warming Man said:
According to Andrew Bolt a lot of the authors of the environmental paper released by Tania Unspellable was written by aboriginal activists rather than scientists, I’ll have to check out the authors.
https://soe.dcceew.gov.au/air-quality/about-chapter/authors-and-acknowledgements
https://soe.dcceew.gov.au/antarctica/about-chapter/authors-and-acknowledgements
and so on. They look like scientists. there is more
https://soe.dcceew.gov.au
ChrispenEvan said:
Peak Warming Man said:
According to Andrew Bolt a lot of the authors of the environmental paper released by Tania Unspellable was written by aboriginal activists rather than scientists, I’ll have to check out the authors.
https://soe.dcceew.gov.au/air-quality/about-chapter/authors-and-acknowledgements
https://soe.dcceew.gov.au/antarctica/about-chapter/authors-and-acknowledgements
and so on. They look like scientists. there is more
https://soe.dcceew.gov.au
Bolt is probably doubly wrong: not only are they scientists but because they aren’t as black as the ace of spades they can’t be Aboriginal.
dv said:
https://youtu.be/slsIaif4tSEPart of the Secret Service’s responsibilities is to track crimes involving electronic communications. It strains credulity to suggest that they accidentally deleted the single most important text messages in their history, despite repeated instructions to preserve all communications that took place on Jan 6 or pertained to events thereon.
Plus it probably went into the recycle bin but not deleted for 30 days unless you manually do it
Witty Rejoinder said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Peak Warming Man said:
According to Andrew Bolt a lot of the authors of the environmental paper released by Tania Unspellable was written by aboriginal activists rather than scientists, I’ll have to check out the authors.
https://soe.dcceew.gov.au/air-quality/about-chapter/authors-and-acknowledgements
https://soe.dcceew.gov.au/antarctica/about-chapter/authors-and-acknowledgements
and so on. They look like scientists. there is more
https://soe.dcceew.gov.au
Bolt is probably doubly wrong: not only are they scientists but because they aren’t as black as the ace of spades they can’t be Aboriginal.
ChrispenEvan said:
Morrison’s Revelation: Australia has been living in a theocracy and we’re just waking up to it
The former prime minister believes himself to be special in God’s eyes, one of the chosen people spreading the dominion of the Lord.DAVID HARDAKERJUL 22, 2022
As the Liberal Party surveys the disaster of the 2022 election, it needs to read the sermon Scott Morrison delivered to Margaret Court’s church, Victory Life Centre, last Sunday and ensure that another Morrison can never again rise through the ranks to become parliamentary leader and prime minister.
The reason? Morrison’s 50-minute sermon examined in detail reveals a man who lives in a starkly different reality from most Australians.
Press gallery journalists too should take the time to closely examine the words of Australia’s 30th prime minister and ask themselves how they missed one of the biggest stories of the decade: the coming to power of a politician so thoroughly in the thrall of a niche religious belief.
Crikey has been pointing it out for at least a year, but it took Morrison’s departure to reveal the extent to which God had inhabited the Lodge over the past four years. Morrison’s lengthy sermon to Pentecostal believers gives us a better understanding of the defining features of his prime ministership: his disdain for secular accountability (whether an ICAC or the findings of the Australian National Audit Office) and his ability to mislead, be caught and yet carry on without apparent shame.
Ultimately Morrison reveals himself as a man who can justify much in the cause of spreading the dominion of the Lord. Here is what we have learnt, courtesy of Morrison himself:
God prolonged Jenny’s labour by several hours …
It’s time to call it out: Scott Morrison doesn’t care about secular accountability
More than once Morrison has proclaimed the role of God in the birth of the Morrisons’ first-born daughter, Abigail, on July 7 2007 — the seventh day of the seventh month of the seventh year — after more than a decade of IVF.
In his Victory Life Centre sermon, he added a new and highly significant detail. He said Jenny’s waters broke about 8am on July 6. Jenny would have been happy to give birth “any time after about 10 o’clock that morning, I can tell you”.
“And as we got later that night, it started to twig to me what was going on,” he said. “And Abby was born soon after at 1am on the seventh of the seventh of the seventh. And you know, what that said to me was that God is faithful.”
It’s worth pausing to consider how realistic it is that God would have intervened in Jenny’s labour, but it carries a powerful meaning.
… a signal from God that the Morrisons are special
In Christianity, seven is the number of perfection — referring to the seventh day after God’s work was done. (The sixth, by contrast, is the number of man, a fallen being.)So God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it God rested from all His work that He had done in creation. (Genesis 2:1-4)
Pentecostal Christians invest the number seven with extra, almost magical, meaning. The implication is that the Morrisons have a special destiny because God has singled them out with a 07/07/07 birth date, a meaning well known to Morrison’s audience.
He also spoke of the day he walked through the green belt in Wellington, New Zealand, and shouted at God in disappointment over the problems he and Jenny were having with conceiving a child: “I let Him have it. I’d say if people had heard this they would have locked me up.”
You bet.
Morrison believes paintings send him messages from God
Morrison told of walking into an art gallery run by a Christian couple in Bourke during a drought when he was treasurer. He saw a painting of an old gum tree on the side of a flowing river and it reminded him of a biblical verse: “Blessed is the one who trusts in the Lord, and whose trust is in the Lord, for thy will be like a tree planted by the water that extends its roots by a stream, and does not fear when the heat comes. But its leaves will be green. And it will not be anxious in a year of drought, nor cease to yield fruit.”(We might also ask what this means in terms of Morrison’s thinking on the link between climate change and drought, but that’s a whole other story.)
The gum tree by the river is a companion experience to one which Morrison related last year at a Pentecostal Christian conference where he saw a painting of a soaring eagle during the 2019 election campaign that he interpreted as a message from God to keep on going.
Done something wrong? Don’t worry about it
A central point of Morrison’s address was that God understands the anxieties of humans, indeed understands your anxieties better than you do, and that to overcome these anxieties just “declare the name of Jesus and declare His forgiveness, and declare His blood on the cross”.The biblical verse Morrison quoted is:
Be anxious for nothing. But in everything, by prayer and supplication, and with thanksgiving, make your requests known to God. And the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding will keep your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus. (Philippians 4, 6-7.)
“Be anxious for nothing.” He repeated the phrase again and again, emphasising the word “nothing” and pointing out there were “no exceptions”.
What was there to be anxious about? Morrison referred to “anxiety about our past, the scars, the hurt, the failings, the damage, that you feel”, which can “shut you down … cripple you”. “You cannot be held anxious over these things because God has broken .”
Linked to the idea that “God loves you” for who you are, it’s little wonder Morrison feels released from any guilt or anxiety over his actions.
And surely God’s acceptance must matter more than any audit office investigation or a parliamentary committee finding. The thought becomes scary when you recall that as prime minister Morrison had responsibility for enforcing ministerial standards.
Accusations? They come from Satan
Morrison explicitly brought Satan into the mix as the being that makes accusations: “Satan is known as the accuser, the great accuser, and he’ll keep throwing this stuff at you.”According to Crikey’s theological expert, “stuff” can be anything the enemy wants to attack you with, justified or not. And Satan is attacking you because you are a Christian and you are a chosen people set apart by God.
It is surely then a short step for Morrison to equate any accusation against him as being the work of Satan and therefore to be brushed aside lest it gets in the way of God’s plan.
Trust in God, not government: theocracy rules
Much has already been made of this section of Morrison’s sermon (with a couple of lines added before and after):
Listen to God as to how he would have you and how he would guide you and be faithful. God’s kingdom will come. It is in his hands, we trust in Him. We don’t trust in governments, we don’t trust in United Nations, thank goodness. We don’t trust in all of these things, fine as they might be. And as important as the role that they play. Believe me, I’ve worked in it and they are important. But as someone who’s been in it, if you are putting your faith in those things, like I put my faith in the Lord, you are making a mistake. They’re earthly, they are fallible. I’m so glad we have a bigger hope.
It is hard to beat as a statement that puts secular government second to theocratic will. It underlines precisely the problem with Morrison as the most senior member of government in Australia: he believes God does it better — a demoralising message, if nothing else, for Canberra’s machinery of government.
We Christians v the rest
Morrison clearly differentiates between Christians and the rest of society, those who don’t know “the truth of God”.Speaking of treatments for anxiety, he said that when he looked carefully at the many provided, he saw “a lot of parallels what I was learning, and had always known about God, and how God seeks to engage with us”.
“It’s funny how that happens, isn’t it, that people in a secular sphere discover what we already know in a spiritual sphere. It’s the truth of God. It’s the truth of God.
“No matter what society , no matter how they might seek to deny it, or even dismiss it, the truth of God stands up and shines through.”
It is worth recalling that three years ago, and not all that far from Court’s church, Morrison promised $4 million in funding to the Esther Foundation rehab facility run by a Pentecostal pastor using religion-based therapies. Speaking to the women of Esther, Morrison used the same Pentecostal language as he deployed at the Victory Life Centre.
The foundation has now collapsed amid revelations of serious abuse of girls and young women stretching back more than a decade. Health Minister Mark Butler is still unravelling how the funding came to be approved from the Health Department budget.
From Morrison there is no word — but then none is required when you are the Lord’s anointed.
https://www.crikey.com.au/2022/07/22/morrisons-revelation-australia-lived-under-theocracy/
Far out.
sarahs mum said:
ChrispenEvan said:Morrison’s Revelation: Australia has been living in a theocracy and we’re just waking up to it
The former prime minister believes himself to be special in God’s eyes, one of the chosen people spreading the dominion of the Lord.DAVID HARDAKERJUL 22, 2022
As the Liberal Party surveys the disaster of the 2022 election, it needs to read the sermon Scott Morrison delivered to Margaret Court’s church, Victory Life Centre, last Sunday and ensure that another Morrison can never again rise through the ranks to become parliamentary leader and prime minister.
The reason? Morrison’s 50-minute sermon examined in detail reveals a man who lives in a starkly different reality from most Australians.
Press gallery journalists too should take the time to closely examine the words of Australia’s 30th prime minister and ask themselves how they missed one of the biggest stories of the decade: the coming to power of a politician so thoroughly in the thrall of a niche religious belief.
Crikey has been pointing it out for at least a year, but it took Morrison’s departure to reveal the extent to which God had inhabited the Lodge over the past four years. Morrison’s lengthy sermon to Pentecostal believers gives us a better understanding of the defining features of his prime ministership: his disdain for secular accountability (whether an ICAC or the findings of the Australian National Audit Office) and his ability to mislead, be caught and yet carry on without apparent shame.
Ultimately Morrison reveals himself as a man who can justify much in the cause of spreading the dominion of the Lord. Here is what we have learnt, courtesy of Morrison himself:
God prolonged Jenny’s labour by several hours …
It’s time to call it out: Scott Morrison doesn’t care about secular accountability
More than once Morrison has proclaimed the role of God in the birth of the Morrisons’ first-born daughter, Abigail, on July 7 2007 — the seventh day of the seventh month of the seventh year — after more than a decade of IVF.
In his Victory Life Centre sermon, he added a new and highly significant detail. He said Jenny’s waters broke about 8am on July 6. Jenny would have been happy to give birth “any time after about 10 o’clock that morning, I can tell you”.
“And as we got later that night, it started to twig to me what was going on,” he said. “And Abby was born soon after at 1am on the seventh of the seventh of the seventh. And you know, what that said to me was that God is faithful.”
It’s worth pausing to consider how realistic it is that God would have intervened in Jenny’s labour, but it carries a powerful meaning.
… a signal from God that the Morrisons are special
In Christianity, seven is the number of perfection — referring to the seventh day after God’s work was done. (The sixth, by contrast, is the number of man, a fallen being.)So God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it God rested from all His work that He had done in creation. (Genesis 2:1-4)
Pentecostal Christians invest the number seven with extra, almost magical, meaning. The implication is that the Morrisons have a special destiny because God has singled them out with a 07/07/07 birth date, a meaning well known to Morrison’s audience.
He also spoke of the day he walked through the green belt in Wellington, New Zealand, and shouted at God in disappointment over the problems he and Jenny were having with conceiving a child: “I let Him have it. I’d say if people had heard this they would have locked me up.”
You bet.
Morrison believes paintings send him messages from God
Morrison told of walking into an art gallery run by a Christian couple in Bourke during a drought when he was treasurer. He saw a painting of an old gum tree on the side of a flowing river and it reminded him of a biblical verse: “Blessed is the one who trusts in the Lord, and whose trust is in the Lord, for thy will be like a tree planted by the water that extends its roots by a stream, and does not fear when the heat comes. But its leaves will be green. And it will not be anxious in a year of drought, nor cease to yield fruit.”(We might also ask what this means in terms of Morrison’s thinking on the link between climate change and drought, but that’s a whole other story.)
The gum tree by the river is a companion experience to one which Morrison related last year at a Pentecostal Christian conference where he saw a painting of a soaring eagle during the 2019 election campaign that he interpreted as a message from God to keep on going.
Done something wrong? Don’t worry about it
A central point of Morrison’s address was that God understands the anxieties of humans, indeed understands your anxieties better than you do, and that to overcome these anxieties just “declare the name of Jesus and declare His forgiveness, and declare His blood on the cross”.The biblical verse Morrison quoted is:
Be anxious for nothing. But in everything, by prayer and supplication, and with thanksgiving, make your requests known to God. And the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding will keep your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus. (Philippians 4, 6-7.)
“Be anxious for nothing.” He repeated the phrase again and again, emphasising the word “nothing” and pointing out there were “no exceptions”.
What was there to be anxious about? Morrison referred to “anxiety about our past, the scars, the hurt, the failings, the damage, that you feel”, which can “shut you down … cripple you”. “You cannot be held anxious over these things because God has broken .”
Linked to the idea that “God loves you” for who you are, it’s little wonder Morrison feels released from any guilt or anxiety over his actions.
And surely God’s acceptance must matter more than any audit office investigation or a parliamentary committee finding. The thought becomes scary when you recall that as prime minister Morrison had responsibility for enforcing ministerial standards.
Accusations? They come from Satan
Morrison explicitly brought Satan into the mix as the being that makes accusations: “Satan is known as the accuser, the great accuser, and he’ll keep throwing this stuff at you.”According to Crikey’s theological expert, “stuff” can be anything the enemy wants to attack you with, justified or not. And Satan is attacking you because you are a Christian and you are a chosen people set apart by God.
It is surely then a short step for Morrison to equate any accusation against him as being the work of Satan and therefore to be brushed aside lest it gets in the way of God’s plan.
Trust in God, not government: theocracy rules
Much has already been made of this section of Morrison’s sermon (with a couple of lines added before and after):
Listen to God as to how he would have you and how he would guide you and be faithful. God’s kingdom will come. It is in his hands, we trust in Him. We don’t trust in governments, we don’t trust in United Nations, thank goodness. We don’t trust in all of these things, fine as they might be. And as important as the role that they play. Believe me, I’ve worked in it and they are important. But as someone who’s been in it, if you are putting your faith in those things, like I put my faith in the Lord, you are making a mistake. They’re earthly, they are fallible. I’m so glad we have a bigger hope.
It is hard to beat as a statement that puts secular government second to theocratic will. It underlines precisely the problem with Morrison as the most senior member of government in Australia: he believes God does it better — a demoralising message, if nothing else, for Canberra’s machinery of government.
We Christians v the rest
Morrison clearly differentiates between Christians and the rest of society, those who don’t know “the truth of God”.Speaking of treatments for anxiety, he said that when he looked carefully at the many provided, he saw “a lot of parallels what I was learning, and had always known about God, and how God seeks to engage with us”.
“It’s funny how that happens, isn’t it, that people in a secular sphere discover what we already know in a spiritual sphere. It’s the truth of God. It’s the truth of God.
“No matter what society , no matter how they might seek to deny it, or even dismiss it, the truth of God stands up and shines through.”
It is worth recalling that three years ago, and not all that far from Court’s church, Morrison promised $4 million in funding to the Esther Foundation rehab facility run by a Pentecostal pastor using religion-based therapies. Speaking to the women of Esther, Morrison used the same Pentecostal language as he deployed at the Victory Life Centre.
The foundation has now collapsed amid revelations of serious abuse of girls and young women stretching back more than a decade. Health Minister Mark Butler is still unravelling how the funding came to be approved from the Health Department budget.
From Morrison there is no word — but then none is required when you are the Lord’s anointed.
https://www.crikey.com.au/2022/07/22/morrisons-revelation-australia-lived-under-theocracy/
Far out.
Was does god work on human created time frames
sarahs mum said:
ChrispenEvan said:Morrison’s Revelation: Australia has been living in a theocracy and we’re just waking up to it
The former prime minister believes himself to be special in God’s eyes, one of the chosen people spreading the dominion of the Lord.DAVID HARDAKERJUL 22, 2022
As the Liberal Party surveys the disaster of the 2022 election, it needs to read the sermon Scott Morrison delivered to Margaret Court’s church, Victory Life Centre, last Sunday and ensure that another Morrison can never again rise through the ranks to become parliamentary leader and prime minister.
The reason? Morrison’s 50-minute sermon examined in detail reveals a man who lives in a starkly different reality from most Australians.
Press gallery journalists too should take the time to closely examine the words of Australia’s 30th prime minister and ask themselves how they missed one of the biggest stories of the decade: the coming to power of a politician so thoroughly in the thrall of a niche religious belief.
Crikey has been pointing it out for at least a year, but it took Morrison’s departure to reveal the extent to which God had inhabited the Lodge over the past four years. Morrison’s lengthy sermon to Pentecostal believers gives us a better understanding of the defining features of his prime ministership: his disdain for secular accountability (whether an ICAC or the findings of the Australian National Audit Office) and his ability to mislead, be caught and yet carry on without apparent shame.
Ultimately Morrison reveals himself as a man who can justify much in the cause of spreading the dominion of the Lord. Here is what we have learnt, courtesy of Morrison himself:
God prolonged Jenny’s labour by several hours …
It’s time to call it out: Scott Morrison doesn’t care about secular accountability
More than once Morrison has proclaimed the role of God in the birth of the Morrisons’ first-born daughter, Abigail, on July 7 2007 — the seventh day of the seventh month of the seventh year — after more than a decade of IVF.
In his Victory Life Centre sermon, he added a new and highly significant detail. He said Jenny’s waters broke about 8am on July 6. Jenny would have been happy to give birth “any time after about 10 o’clock that morning, I can tell you”.
“And as we got later that night, it started to twig to me what was going on,” he said. “And Abby was born soon after at 1am on the seventh of the seventh of the seventh. And you know, what that said to me was that God is faithful.”
It’s worth pausing to consider how realistic it is that God would have intervened in Jenny’s labour, but it carries a powerful meaning.
… a signal from God that the Morrisons are special
In Christianity, seven is the number of perfection — referring to the seventh day after God’s work was done. (The sixth, by contrast, is the number of man, a fallen being.)So God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it God rested from all His work that He had done in creation. (Genesis 2:1-4)
Pentecostal Christians invest the number seven with extra, almost magical, meaning. The implication is that the Morrisons have a special destiny because God has singled them out with a 07/07/07 birth date, a meaning well known to Morrison’s audience.
He also spoke of the day he walked through the green belt in Wellington, New Zealand, and shouted at God in disappointment over the problems he and Jenny were having with conceiving a child: “I let Him have it. I’d say if people had heard this they would have locked me up.”
You bet.
Morrison believes paintings send him messages from God
Morrison told of walking into an art gallery run by a Christian couple in Bourke during a drought when he was treasurer. He saw a painting of an old gum tree on the side of a flowing river and it reminded him of a biblical verse: “Blessed is the one who trusts in the Lord, and whose trust is in the Lord, for thy will be like a tree planted by the water that extends its roots by a stream, and does not fear when the heat comes. But its leaves will be green. And it will not be anxious in a year of drought, nor cease to yield fruit.”(We might also ask what this means in terms of Morrison’s thinking on the link between climate change and drought, but that’s a whole other story.)
The gum tree by the river is a companion experience to one which Morrison related last year at a Pentecostal Christian conference where he saw a painting of a soaring eagle during the 2019 election campaign that he interpreted as a message from God to keep on going.
Done something wrong? Don’t worry about it
A central point of Morrison’s address was that God understands the anxieties of humans, indeed understands your anxieties better than you do, and that to overcome these anxieties just “declare the name of Jesus and declare His forgiveness, and declare His blood on the cross”.The biblical verse Morrison quoted is:
Be anxious for nothing. But in everything, by prayer and supplication, and with thanksgiving, make your requests known to God. And the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding will keep your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus. (Philippians 4, 6-7.)
“Be anxious for nothing.” He repeated the phrase again and again, emphasising the word “nothing” and pointing out there were “no exceptions”.
What was there to be anxious about? Morrison referred to “anxiety about our past, the scars, the hurt, the failings, the damage, that you feel”, which can “shut you down … cripple you”. “You cannot be held anxious over these things because God has broken .”
Linked to the idea that “God loves you” for who you are, it’s little wonder Morrison feels released from any guilt or anxiety over his actions.
And surely God’s acceptance must matter more than any audit office investigation or a parliamentary committee finding. The thought becomes scary when you recall that as prime minister Morrison had responsibility for enforcing ministerial standards.
Accusations? They come from Satan
Morrison explicitly brought Satan into the mix as the being that makes accusations: “Satan is known as the accuser, the great accuser, and he’ll keep throwing this stuff at you.”According to Crikey’s theological expert, “stuff” can be anything the enemy wants to attack you with, justified or not. And Satan is attacking you because you are a Christian and you are a chosen people set apart by God.
It is surely then a short step for Morrison to equate any accusation against him as being the work of Satan and therefore to be brushed aside lest it gets in the way of God’s plan.
Trust in God, not government: theocracy rules
Much has already been made of this section of Morrison’s sermon (with a couple of lines added before and after):
Listen to God as to how he would have you and how he would guide you and be faithful. God’s kingdom will come. It is in his hands, we trust in Him. We don’t trust in governments, we don’t trust in United Nations, thank goodness. We don’t trust in all of these things, fine as they might be. And as important as the role that they play. Believe me, I’ve worked in it and they are important. But as someone who’s been in it, if you are putting your faith in those things, like I put my faith in the Lord, you are making a mistake. They’re earthly, they are fallible. I’m so glad we have a bigger hope.
It is hard to beat as a statement that puts secular government second to theocratic will. It underlines precisely the problem with Morrison as the most senior member of government in Australia: he believes God does it better — a demoralising message, if nothing else, for Canberra’s machinery of government.
We Christians v the rest
Morrison clearly differentiates between Christians and the rest of society, those who don’t know “the truth of God”.Speaking of treatments for anxiety, he said that when he looked carefully at the many provided, he saw “a lot of parallels what I was learning, and had always known about God, and how God seeks to engage with us”.
“It’s funny how that happens, isn’t it, that people in a secular sphere discover what we already know in a spiritual sphere. It’s the truth of God. It’s the truth of God.
“No matter what society , no matter how they might seek to deny it, or even dismiss it, the truth of God stands up and shines through.”
It is worth recalling that three years ago, and not all that far from Court’s church, Morrison promised $4 million in funding to the Esther Foundation rehab facility run by a Pentecostal pastor using religion-based therapies. Speaking to the women of Esther, Morrison used the same Pentecostal language as he deployed at the Victory Life Centre.
The foundation has now collapsed amid revelations of serious abuse of girls and young women stretching back more than a decade. Health Minister Mark Butler is still unravelling how the funding came to be approved from the Health Department budget.
From Morrison there is no word — but then none is required when you are the Lord’s anointed.
https://www.crikey.com.au/2022/07/22/morrisons-revelation-australia-lived-under-theocracy/
Far out.
Sings:
Thankyou God,
for holding the waters back,
of Ab’gails mum.
More than once Morrison has proclaimed the role of God in the birth of the Morrisons’ first-born daughter, Abigail, on July 7 2007 — the seventh day of the seventh month of the seventh year — after more than a decade of IVF.
—
god works in mysterious ways.
sarahs mum said:
More than once Morrison has proclaimed the role of God in the birth of the Morrisons’ first-born daughter, Abigail, on July 7 2007 — the seventh day of the seventh month of the seventh year — after more than a decade of IVF.—
god works in mysterious ways.
ChrispenEvan said:
Morrison’s Revelation: Australia has been living in a theocracy
https://www.crikey.com.au/2022/07/22/morrisons-revelation-australia-lived-under-theocracy/
so you all laughed but finally Great Leader agreed with us see we told you
sarahs mum said:
ChrispenEvan said:Morrison’s Revelation: Australia has been living in a theocracy and we’re just waking up to it
The former prime minister believes himself to be special in God’s eyes, one of the chosen people spreading the dominion of the Lord.DAVID HARDAKERJUL 22, 2022
As the Liberal Party surveys the disaster of the 2022 election, it needs to read the sermon Scott Morrison delivered to Margaret Court’s church, Victory Life Centre, last Sunday and ensure that another Morrison can never again rise through the ranks to become parliamentary leader and prime minister.
The reason? Morrison’s 50-minute sermon examined in detail reveals a man who lives in a starkly different reality from most Australians.
Press gallery journalists too should take the time to closely examine the words of Australia’s 30th prime minister and ask themselves how they missed one of the biggest stories of the decade: the coming to power of a politician so thoroughly in the thrall of a niche religious belief.
Crikey has been pointing it out for at least a year, but it took Morrison’s departure to reveal the extent to which God had inhabited the Lodge over the past four years. Morrison’s lengthy sermon to Pentecostal believers gives us a better understanding of the defining features of his prime ministership: his disdain for secular accountability (whether an ICAC or the findings of the Australian National Audit Office) and his ability to mislead, be caught and yet carry on without apparent shame.
Ultimately Morrison reveals himself as a man who can justify much in the cause of spreading the dominion of the Lord. Here is what we have learnt, courtesy of Morrison himself:
God prolonged Jenny’s labour by several hours …
It’s time to call it out: Scott Morrison doesn’t care about secular accountability
More than once Morrison has proclaimed the role of God in the birth of the Morrisons’ first-born daughter, Abigail, on July 7 2007 — the seventh day of the seventh month of the seventh year — after more than a decade of IVF.
In his Victory Life Centre sermon, he added a new and highly significant detail. He said Jenny’s waters broke about 8am on July 6. Jenny would have been happy to give birth “any time after about 10 o’clock that morning, I can tell you”.
“And as we got later that night, it started to twig to me what was going on,” he said. “And Abby was born soon after at 1am on the seventh of the seventh of the seventh. And you know, what that said to me was that God is faithful.”
It’s worth pausing to consider how realistic it is that God would have intervened in Jenny’s labour, but it carries a powerful meaning.
… a signal from God that the Morrisons are special
In Christianity, seven is the number of perfection — referring to the seventh day after God’s work was done. (The sixth, by contrast, is the number of man, a fallen being.)So God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it God rested from all His work that He had done in creation. (Genesis 2:1-4)
Pentecostal Christians invest the number seven with extra, almost magical, meaning. The implication is that the Morrisons have a special destiny because God has singled them out with a 07/07/07 birth date, a meaning well known to Morrison’s audience.
He also spoke of the day he walked through the green belt in Wellington, New Zealand, and shouted at God in disappointment over the problems he and Jenny were having with conceiving a child: “I let Him have it. I’d say if people had heard this they would have locked me up.”
You bet.
Morrison believes paintings send him messages from God
Morrison told of walking into an art gallery run by a Christian couple in Bourke during a drought when he was treasurer. He saw a painting of an old gum tree on the side of a flowing river and it reminded him of a biblical verse: “Blessed is the one who trusts in the Lord, and whose trust is in the Lord, for thy will be like a tree planted by the water that extends its roots by a stream, and does not fear when the heat comes. But its leaves will be green. And it will not be anxious in a year of drought, nor cease to yield fruit.”(We might also ask what this means in terms of Morrison’s thinking on the link between climate change and drought, but that’s a whole other story.)
The gum tree by the river is a companion experience to one which Morrison related last year at a Pentecostal Christian conference where he saw a painting of a soaring eagle during the 2019 election campaign that he interpreted as a message from God to keep on going.
Done something wrong? Don’t worry about it
A central point of Morrison’s address was that God understands the anxieties of humans, indeed understands your anxieties better than you do, and that to overcome these anxieties just “declare the name of Jesus and declare His forgiveness, and declare His blood on the cross”.The biblical verse Morrison quoted is:
Be anxious for nothing. But in everything, by prayer and supplication, and with thanksgiving, make your requests known to God. And the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding will keep your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus. (Philippians 4, 6-7.)
“Be anxious for nothing.” He repeated the phrase again and again, emphasising the word “nothing” and pointing out there were “no exceptions”.
What was there to be anxious about? Morrison referred to “anxiety about our past, the scars, the hurt, the failings, the damage, that you feel”, which can “shut you down … cripple you”. “You cannot be held anxious over these things because God has broken .”
Linked to the idea that “God loves you” for who you are, it’s little wonder Morrison feels released from any guilt or anxiety over his actions.
And surely God’s acceptance must matter more than any audit office investigation or a parliamentary committee finding. The thought becomes scary when you recall that as prime minister Morrison had responsibility for enforcing ministerial standards.
Accusations? They come from Satan
Morrison explicitly brought Satan into the mix as the being that makes accusations: “Satan is known as the accuser, the great accuser, and he’ll keep throwing this stuff at you.”According to Crikey’s theological expert, “stuff” can be anything the enemy wants to attack you with, justified or not. And Satan is attacking you because you are a Christian and you are a chosen people set apart by God.
It is surely then a short step for Morrison to equate any accusation against him as being the work of Satan and therefore to be brushed aside lest it gets in the way of God’s plan.
Trust in God, not government: theocracy rules
Much has already been made of this section of Morrison’s sermon (with a couple of lines added before and after):
Listen to God as to how he would have you and how he would guide you and be faithful. God’s kingdom will come. It is in his hands, we trust in Him. We don’t trust in governments, we don’t trust in United Nations, thank goodness. We don’t trust in all of these things, fine as they might be. And as important as the role that they play. Believe me, I’ve worked in it and they are important. But as someone who’s been in it, if you are putting your faith in those things, like I put my faith in the Lord, you are making a mistake. They’re earthly, they are fallible. I’m so glad we have a bigger hope.
It is hard to beat as a statement that puts secular government second to theocratic will. It underlines precisely the problem with Morrison as the most senior member of government in Australia: he believes God does it better — a demoralising message, if nothing else, for Canberra’s machinery of government.
We Christians v the rest
Morrison clearly differentiates between Christians and the rest of society, those who don’t know “the truth of God”.Speaking of treatments for anxiety, he said that when he looked carefully at the many provided, he saw “a lot of parallels what I was learning, and had always known about God, and how God seeks to engage with us”.
“It’s funny how that happens, isn’t it, that people in a secular sphere discover what we already know in a spiritual sphere. It’s the truth of God. It’s the truth of God.
“No matter what society , no matter how they might seek to deny it, or even dismiss it, the truth of God stands up and shines through.”
It is worth recalling that three years ago, and not all that far from Court’s church, Morrison promised $4 million in funding to the Esther Foundation rehab facility run by a Pentecostal pastor using religion-based therapies. Speaking to the women of Esther, Morrison used the same Pentecostal language as he deployed at the Victory Life Centre.
The foundation has now collapsed amid revelations of serious abuse of girls and young women stretching back more than a decade. Health Minister Mark Butler is still unravelling how the funding came to be approved from the Health Department budget.
From Morrison there is no word — but then none is required when you are the Lord’s anointed.
https://www.crikey.com.au/2022/07/22/morrisons-revelation-australia-lived-under-theocracy/
Far out.
Long ago, i went to school with David Hardaker. It’s been interesting to follow his career, especially his time in the Middle East.
ChrispenEvan said:
Peak Warming Man said:
According to Andrew Bolt a lot of the authors of the environmental paper released by Tania Unspellable was written by aboriginal activists rather than scientists, I’ll have to check out the authors.
https://soe.dcceew.gov.au/air-quality/about-chapter/authors-and-acknowledgements
https://soe.dcceew.gov.au/antarctica/about-chapter/authors-and-acknowledgements
and so on. They look like scientists. there is more
https://soe.dcceew.gov.au
Wow so Bolt is full of shit? I may never recover from this revelation.
dv said:
Wow so Bolt is full of shit? I may never recover from this revelation.
I don’t wish death on anyone, but if someone must go next…Rupert Murdoch?
Could his heirs do a better job of retaining his empire and influence than did Packer’s, or the Fairfax heirs?
Would we not all benefit from disintegration of such things under new management?
captain_spalding said:
dv said:Wow so Bolt is full of shit? I may never recover from this revelation.
I don’t wish death on anyone, but if someone must go next…Rupert Murdoch?
Could his heirs do a better job of retaining his empire and influence than did Packer’s, or the Fairfax heirs?
Would we not all benefit from disintegration of such things under new management?
why will it be any better when dies?
sarahs mum said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:Wow so Bolt is full of shit? I may never recover from this revelation.
I don’t wish death on anyone, but if someone must go next…Rupert Murdoch?
Could his heirs do a better job of retaining his empire and influence than did Packer’s, or the Fairfax heirs?
Would we not all benefit from disintegration of such things under new management?
why will it be any better when dies?
As i say, we hope for ineptitude on the part of his heirs.
If his empire fragments, is sold off bit by bit to new and varied owners, then his monolithic and far-reaching power of influence diminishes, politicians become less fearful of Murdoch disfavour, we get more independence in reporting.
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:
captain_spalding said:I don’t wish death on anyone, but if someone must go next…Rupert Murdoch?
Could his heirs do a better job of retaining his empire and influence than did Packer’s, or the Fairfax heirs?
Would we not all benefit from disintegration of such things under new management?
why will it be any better when dies?
As i say, we hope for ineptitude on the part of his heirs.
If his empire fragments, is sold off bit by bit to new and varied owners, then his monolithic and far-reaching power of influence diminishes, politicians become less fearful of Murdoch disfavour, we get more independence in reporting.
maybe the population could grow some neurons and learn to not eat shit from the hands of psychopathic rich fucks but yeah we’re not sure that’s any more likely either
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:why will it be any better when dies?
As i say, we hope for ineptitude on the part of his heirs.
If his empire fragments, is sold off bit by bit to new and varied owners, then his monolithic and far-reaching power of influence diminishes, politicians become less fearful of Murdoch disfavour, we get more independence in reporting.
maybe the population could grow some neurons and learn to not eat shit from the hands of psychopathic rich fucks but yeah we’re not sure that’s any more likely either
The rest of the media is also a bit right wing. They spend a good amount of time yelling at the ABC for not being right wing enough. Co media should be only right wing.
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:why will it be any better when dies?
As i say, we hope for ineptitude on the part of his heirs.
If his empire fragments, is sold off bit by bit to new and varied owners, then his monolithic and far-reaching power of influence diminishes, politicians become less fearful of Murdoch disfavour, we get more independence in reporting.
maybe the population could grow some neurons and learn to not eat shit from the hands of psychopathic rich fucks but yeah we’re not sure that’s any more likely either
There is recent evidence that Murdoch’s magic wand isn’t working any more.
And it seems there may be more of the same in Victoria. After years of the papers demonising Dan, ALP is still polling close to 60% in Victoria.
sarahs mum said:
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:As i say, we hope for ineptitude on the part of his heirs.
If his empire fragments, is sold off bit by bit to new and varied owners, then his monolithic and far-reaching power of influence diminishes, politicians become less fearful of Murdoch disfavour, we get more independence in reporting.
maybe the population could grow some neurons and learn to not eat shit from the hands of psychopathic rich fucks but yeah we’re not sure that’s any more likely either
The rest of the media is also a bit right wing. They spend a good amount of time yelling at the ABC for not being right wing enough. Co media should be only right wing.
Their need for advertising money. Left wing views might upset some of their advertisers.
PermeateFree said:
sarahs mum said:
SCIENCE said:maybe the population could grow some neurons and learn to not eat shit from the hands of psychopathic rich fucks but yeah we’re not sure that’s any more likely either
The rest of the media is also a bit right wing. They spend a good amount of time yelling at the ABC for not being right wing enough. Co media should be only right wing.
Their need for advertising money. Left wing views might upset some of their advertisers.
The ownership of media is more purposeful than that. Ask Costello and Gina.
sarahs mum said:
PermeateFree said:
sarahs mum said:The rest of the media is also a bit right wing. They spend a good amount of time yelling at the ABC for not being right wing enough. Co media should be only right wing.
Their need for advertising money. Left wing views might upset some of their advertisers.
The ownership of media is more purposeful than that. Ask Costello and Gina.
Costello doesn’t own Nine.
sarahs mum said:
PermeateFree said:
sarahs mum said:The rest of the media is also a bit right wing. They spend a good amount of time yelling at the ABC for not being right wing enough. Co media should be only right wing.
Their need for advertising money. Left wing views might upset some of their advertisers.
The ownership of media is more purposeful than that. Ask Costello and Gina.
Media are businesses too and keenly watch the bottom line. If they are big enough then power is the name of the game, but either way they are very rarely left wing supporters.
PermeateFree said:
sarahs mum said:
PermeateFree said:Their need for advertising money. Left wing views might upset some of their advertisers.
The ownership of media is more purposeful than that. Ask Costello and Gina.
Media are businesses too and keenly watch the bottom line. If they are big enough then power is the name of the game, but either way they are very rarely left wing supporters.
It’s not as though leftwingers don’t have money to spend and that is what appeals to adverisers in left-wing media outlets. In the the US and Australia at least, the median left-wingers are better educated and wealthier than the median right-winger.
Nobel prize-winning economist Joseph Stiglitz calls for windfall profits tax in Australia
Tax is a ‘no-brainer’ after companies’ huge profits during Covid but corporate influence makes it ‘politically difficult’, Stiglitz says
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jul/19/nobel-prize-winning-economist-joseph-stiglitz-calls-for-windfall-profits-tax-in-australia?CMP=soc_567
Witty Rejoinder said:
sarahs mum said:
PermeateFree said:Their need for advertising money. Left wing views might upset some of their advertisers.
The ownership of media is more purposeful than that. Ask Costello and Gina.
Costello doesn’t own Nine.
Still, given that he’s the Chairman, you could still ask him
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
sarahs mum said:The ownership of media is more purposeful than that. Ask Costello and Gina.
Media are businesses too and keenly watch the bottom line. If they are big enough then power is the name of the game, but either way they are very rarely left wing supporters.
It’s not as though leftwingers don’t have money to spend and that is what appeals to adverisers in left-wing media outlets. In the the US and Australia at least, the median left-wingers are better educated and wealthier than the median right-winger.
But are they the ones that own the media outlets?
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
sarahs mum said:The ownership of media is more purposeful than that. Ask Costello and Gina.
Costello doesn’t own Nine.
Still, given that he’s the Chairman, you could still ask him
Ah, so Nine owns Costello. Which means they own a direct line to whoever Costello knows.
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:Media are businesses too and keenly watch the bottom line. If they are big enough then power is the name of the game, but either way they are very rarely left wing supporters.
It’s not as though leftwingers don’t have money to spend and that is what appeals to adverisers in left-wing media outlets. In the the US and Australia at least, the median left-wingers are better educated and wealthier than the median right-winger.
But are they the ones that own the media outlets?
Most are publically listed. The Murdoch family are a bit of an outlier in having active control of their media outlets through special voting rights.
dv said:
Nobel prize-winning economist Joseph Stiglitz calls for windfall profits tax in Australia
Tax is a ‘no-brainer’ after companies’ huge profits during Covid but corporate influence makes it ‘politically difficult’, Stiglitz says
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jul/19/nobel-prize-winning-economist-joseph-stiglitz-calls-for-windfall-profits-tax-in-australia?CMP=soc_567
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Wait, didn’t kevin rudd and malcolm turnbull try that and then turfed by their own parties?
Home Affairs report confirms Scott Morrison pressured department to reveal election day boat interception
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-22/home-affairs-report-confirms-scott-morrison-pressured-department/101262984
There would be people, not here obviously, who wouldn’t consider the nuance and political considerations that needed to be taken for this decision and would blithely state that Morrison is a cunt.
tsk tsk tsk
sibeen said:
Home Affairs report confirms Scott Morrison pressured department to reveal election day boat interceptionhttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-22/home-affairs-report-confirms-scott-morrison-pressured-department/101262984
There would be people, not here obviously, who wouldn’t consider the nuance and political considerations that needed to be taken for this decision and would blithely state that Morrison is a cunt.
tsk tsk tsk
I wonder how he squares all this with his religion?
dv said:
sibeen said:
Home Affairs report confirms Scott Morrison pressured department to reveal election day boat interceptionhttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-22/home-affairs-report-confirms-scott-morrison-pressured-department/101262984
There would be people, not here obviously, who wouldn’t consider the nuance and political considerations that needed to be taken for this decision and would blithely state that Morrison is a cunt.
tsk tsk tsk
I wonder how he squares all this with his religion?
No doubt there would be some “Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s”, you philistine.
dv said:
sibeen said:
Home Affairs report confirms Scott Morrison pressured department to reveal election day boat interceptionhttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-22/home-affairs-report-confirms-scott-morrison-pressured-department/101262984
There would be people, not here obviously, who wouldn’t consider the nuance and political considerations that needed to be taken for this decision and would blithely state that Morrison is a cunt.
tsk tsk tsk
I wonder how he squares all this with his religion?
God works in mysterious ways.
sibeen said:
dv said:
sibeen said:
Home Affairs report confirms Scott Morrison pressured department to reveal election day boat interceptionhttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-22/home-affairs-report-confirms-scott-morrison-pressured-department/101262984
There would be people, not here obviously, who wouldn’t consider the nuance and political considerations that needed to be taken for this decision and would blithely state that Morrison is a cunt.
tsk tsk tsk
I wonder how he squares all this with his religion?
No doubt there would be some “Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s”, you philistine.
Also his actions have saved the entire population of SE Asia from drowning at sea.
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:
dv said:
I wonder how he squares all this with his religion?
No doubt there would be some “Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s”, you philistine.
Also his actions have saved the entire population of SE Asia from drowning at sea.
The Pacific Islands, However
Karen Andrews says she was told to publicise the operation by former prime minister Scott Morrison and that no election caretaker provisions were broken.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-23/karen-andrews-defends-election-day-reveal-of-asylum-seeker-boat/101263734
“Rat throws sacrificial lamb under a bus after horse has bolted”
dv said:
Karen Andrews says she was told to publicise the operation by former prime minister Scott Morrison and that no election caretaker provisions were broken.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-23/karen-andrews-defends-election-day-reveal-of-asylum-seeker-boat/101263734
“Rat throws sacrificial lamb under a bus after horse has bolted”
Obviously it is perfectly reasonable that voters should be informed of these operational matters as they occur, but need to be protected from the distraction of a report on the state of the environment in Australia.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:Karen Andrews says she was told to publicise the operation by former prime minister Scott Morrison and that no election caretaker provisions were broken.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-23/karen-andrews-defends-election-day-reveal-of-asylum-seeker-boat/101263734
“Rat throws sacrificial lamb under a bus after horse has bolted”
Obviously it is perfectly reasonable that voters should be informed of these operational matters as they occur, but need to be protected from the distraction of a report on the state of the environment in Australia.
“as they occur” on election day, but never in any other circumstances.
buffy said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:Karen Andrews says she was told to publicise the operation by former prime minister Scott Morrison and that no election caretaker provisions were broken.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-23/karen-andrews-defends-election-day-reveal-of-asylum-seeker-boat/101263734
“Rat throws sacrificial lamb under a bus after horse has bolted”
Obviously it is perfectly reasonable that voters should be informed of these operational matters as they occur, but need to be protected from the distraction of a report on the state of the environment in Australia.
“as they occur” on election day, but never in any other circumstances.
^
dv said:
Karen Andrews says she was told to publicise the operation by former prime minister Scott Morrison and that no election caretaker provisions were broken.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-23/karen-andrews-defends-election-day-reveal-of-asylum-seeker-boat/101263734
“Rat throws sacrificial lamb under a bus after horse has bolted”
Careful, you’ll have a nude bloody Tash Peterson come down on you like ton non-human animal shit bricks.
Australian activist Drew Pavlou arrested in London but denies sending Chinese embassy bomb threat
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jul/23/australian-activist-drew-pavlou-arrested-in-london-but-denies-sending-chinese-embassy-bomb-threat
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/business-lobby-boss-wants-wages-in-line-with-living-costs-in-jobs-summit-agenda-20220720-p5b361.html
The head of a powerful business lobby has broken ranks with other industry groups and urged that wages keep pace with rising living costs, singling out the nation’s embattled teachers as among those who should be paid their worth.
dv said:
imagine this happening under the watch of Labor what a bunch of useless jokers
dv said:
I’m sure her general point is valid, but I wonder how “working people” are defined, and how the number of working people per head of population has varied over that time.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
I’m sure her general point is valid, but I wonder how “working people” are defined, and how the number of working people per head of population has varied over that time.
I expect it’s population quintiles or some such with the bottom a proxy for working people.
dv said:
That is just a proxy for how well union officials are doing their job.
dv said:
Seems to have crashed since ScoMo …
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
I’m sure her general point is valid, but I wonder how “working people” are defined, and how the number of working people per head of population has varied over that time.
Well I suppose of hand I can’t answer the first question but in answer to the second part Australia’s workforce participation has increased tremendously over the run of that graph
Witty Rejoinder said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
I’m sure her general point is valid, but I wonder how “working people” are defined, and how the number of working people per head of population has varied over that time.
I expect it’s population quintiles or some such with the bottom a proxy for working people.
I’m trying to figure out what the 6% step up in 1974 could relate to. It was the Whitlam government but 1974 was exactly then unemployment began to take off in Oz and the world was entering a bit of a global recession.
dv said:
It’s so bad.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-24/government-winds-back-construction-watchdog-s-powers/101264794
sibeen said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I’m sure her general point is valid, but I wonder how “working people” are defined, and how the number of working people per head of population has varied over that time.
I expect it’s population quintiles or some such with the bottom a proxy for working people.
I’m trying to figure out what the 6% step up in 1974 could relate to. It was the Whitlam government but 1974 was exactly then unemployment began to take off in Oz and the world was entering a bit of a global recession.
I went from not being able to afford to eat, to eating.
ABC News:
‘Police are investigating a public scuffle involving former NSW deputy premier John Barilaro and a cameraman over the weekend.
Video shows Mr Barilaro in a fight with a cameraman outside a bar in Manly on Saturday night.
The footage shows dozens of onlookers watching on as Mr Barilaro grabs the man’s arm, while he steps back and tries to push him off while holding a large camera on his shoulder.’
Let’s see Honest John spin this one into a ‘racial vilification’ affair.
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:
‘Police are investigating a public scuffle involving former NSW deputy premier John Barilaro and a cameraman over the weekend.
Video shows Mr Barilaro in a fight with a cameraman outside a bar in Manly on Saturday night.
The footage shows dozens of onlookers watching on as Mr Barilaro grabs the man’s arm, while he steps back and tries to push him off while holding a large camera on his shoulder.’
Let’s see Honest John spin this one into a ‘racial vilification’ affair.
must be Jordan Shanks-Markovina’s fault
oh wait
She’s a nasty creature, I can’t wait until she’s gone for good.
Spiny Norman said:
She’s a nasty creature, I can’t wait until she’s gone for good.
You’d have to get rid of the ones that vote for her first.
Woodie said:
Spiny Norman said:
She’s a nasty creature, I can’t wait until she’s gone for good.
You’d have to get rid of the ones that vote for her first.
I’d be OK with that :)
Spiny Norman said:
She’s a nasty creature, I can’t wait until she’s gone for good.
Apparently they do that everyday, as well as the Lord’s prayer. That seems excessive…
Indigenous Greens senator Lidia Thorpe has criticised Senator Pauline Hanson as “disrespectful” for storming out of the Senate chamber during the opening acknowledgement of country.
“Day two of the 47th parliament and racism has reared its ugly head,” Thorpe wrote on Twitter.
“Pauline Hanson disrespectfully stormed out of the acknowledgement of country in the Senate, refusing to acknowledge ‘those people’. You want to make parliament safe? Get rid of racism.”
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Over on the ABC, Kristy McBain has been asked about the new standing orders, which will see parliament finish earlier most sittings, as part of a push to improve conditions for staff and MPs. It is part of the cultural change which is being implemented.
McBain:
I don’t think it’s helpful for just a small bunch of MPs – it’s helpful for every MP. We’ve been through the last parliament where we spoke about making this workplace a safer workplace. We’ve got the Set the Standard report, and we know in the last parliament we sat for 20 hours straight over a particular bill. If we want to make this place as inclusive and family-friendly as possible, we have to understand that no other workplace extends to those large working hours. So a change in those standing rules will assist, I think, all MPs and all staffers to actually really achieve that work-life balance.
Climate bill to write 43 per cent emissions target into law introduced to parliament
But Climate Change Minister Chris Bowen has also threatened the government will walk away from the legislation if it can’t find broader support for the proposed law.
The government has already notified the United Nations of its updated climate targets, but argues writing them into law would send a strong signal to investors and other nations.
Introducing the bill to the lower house, Mr Bowen said enough time had been wasted delaying action on climate change.
“2030 is 89 months away; we don’t have long to achieve these goals,” Mr Bowen said.
The legislation needs the backing of the Greens and at least one other senator to pass the upper house, unless the opposition decides to support it.
But the Greens are not committing to supporting the bill, saying the target is “weak” and will be unachievable unless the government also rules out approving any new coal or gas projects.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-27/emissions-target-bill-introduced-to-parliament/101272486
Almost $3 million of taxpayer money handed to a Queensland theme park for a state-of-the-art facility to protect endangered koalas has been diverted to build a flashy new rollercoaster.
https://www.batemansbaypost.com.au/story/7837213/koala-research-money-used-on-rollercoaster/?cs=7
dv said:
Almost $3 million of taxpayer money handed to a Queensland theme park for a state-of-the-art facility to protect endangered koalas has been diverted to build a flashy new rollercoaster.https://www.batemansbaypost.com.au/story/7837213/koala-research-money-used-on-rollercoaster/?cs=7
Thank goodness they didn’t waste it!
dv said:
Almost $3 million of taxpayer money handed to a Queensland theme park for a state-of-the-art facility to protect endangered koalas has been diverted to build a flashy new rollercoaster.https://www.batemansbaypost.com.au/story/7837213/koala-research-money-used-on-rollercoaster/?cs=7
And I bet there is nothing we can do about it.
PermeateFree said:
dv said:
Almost $3 million of taxpayer money handed to a Queensland theme park for a state-of-the-art facility to protect endangered koalas has been diverted to build a flashy new rollercoaster.https://www.batemansbaypost.com.au/story/7837213/koala-research-money-used-on-rollercoaster/?cs=7
And I bet there is nothing we can do about it.
We can vote to re-install the parties of unabashed corruption and graft at the next election.
That’ll teach Labor.
PermeateFree said:
And I bet there is nothing we can do about it.
All of us Qlders could get a discount on our next visit to Dreamworld.
Let’s see..$3million divided by population of about 5.25 million…
We each get $0.57 off the admission price! Yay!
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:And I bet there is nothing we can do about it.
All of us Qlders could get a discount on our next visit to Dreamworld.
Let’s see..$3million divided by population of about 5.25 million…
We each get $0.57 off the admission price! Yay!
Sounds like you got a bargain.
