Gaveled In

“I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same: that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion, and I will well and faithfully discharge …

Ogmog said:

Gaveled In

“I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same: that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion, and I will well and faithfully discharge …

Them and their Constitution, might need a few more amendments as it obviously didn’t take into account the stupidity of modern humans

Cymek said:

Ogmog said:

Gaveled In

“I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same: that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion, and I will well and faithfully discharge …

Them and their Constitution, might need a few more amendments as it obviously didn’t take into account the stupidity of modern humans

Trumpettes in deep denial
are pointedly refusing to face the truth…
actual recordings & testimonies of those involved
…thanx to our old friend Rupert Murdoch (FOX & Friends}

It is true that the constitution is overdue for amendments. The 2nd amendment clearly needs to be brought into the 21st century.

I’m sure by now that science has proven that happiness cannot be pursued because it exists within us.
That an assault rifle or ten, will not protect you from maniacs with bigger guns.
That a small percentage of the people storming the citadel does not constitute a democracy.

roughbarked said:

It is true that the constitution is overdue for amendments. The 2nd amendment clearly needs to be brought into the 21st century.

I’m sure by now that science has proven that happiness cannot be pursued because it exists within us.
That an assault rifle or ten, will not protect you from maniacs with bigger guns.
That a small percentage of the people storming the citadel does not constitute a democracy.

I agree with the second two.

roughbarked said:

It is true that the constitution is overdue for amendments. The 2nd amendment clearly needs to be brought into the 21st century.

I’m sure by now that science has proven that happiness cannot be pursued because it exists within us.
That an assault rifle or ten, will not protect you from maniacs with bigger guns.
That a small percentage of the people storming the citadel does not constitute a democracy.

The founding fathers surely didn’t imagine a disgruntled person would kill others including children with a gun that was equivalent to a small squad of soldiers from their day.

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

It is true that the constitution is overdue for amendments. The 2nd amendment clearly needs to be brought into the 21st century.

I’m sure by now that science has proven that happiness cannot be pursued because it exists within us.
That an assault rifle or ten, will not protect you from maniacs with bigger guns.
That a small percentage of the people storming the citadel does not constitute a democracy.

I agree with the second two.

So you do not perceive happiness within thy good self?

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

It is true that the constitution is overdue for amendments. The 2nd amendment clearly needs to be brought into the 21st century.

I’m sure by now that science has proven that happiness cannot be pursued because it exists within us.
That an assault rifle or ten, will not protect you from maniacs with bigger guns.
That a small percentage of the people storming the citadel does not constitute a democracy.

I agree with the second two.

So you do not perceive happiness within thy good self?

I don’t agree with the presumption that because happiness is internal it cannot be pursued.

Assumptions also seem to exist that society founders were decent people when they might not have been at all

roughbarked said:

It is true that the constitution is overdue for amendments. The 2nd amendment clearly needs to be brought into the 21st century.

US Constitution is the oldest active codified constitution in the world. It’s definitely looking a bit manky… bit of a musty smell to the whole thing. Probably the whole thing should be rewritten rather than just amended.

Perversely, most Americans (from all political persuasions) I have talked to about this are proud to have such an out-of-date document at the heart of their democracy.

esselte said:

roughbarked said:

It is true that the constitution is overdue for amendments. The 2nd amendment clearly needs to be brought into the 21st century.

US Constitution is the oldest active codified constitution in the world. It’s definitely looking a bit manky… bit of a musty smell to the whole thing. Probably the whole thing should be rewritten rather than just amended.

Perversely, most Americans (from all political persuasions) I have talked to about this are proud to have such an out-of-date document at the heart of their democracy.

What if it actually was “The right to bear arms” as they were in vogue at the time and some people wanted to stop others having them as it was cruel to bears

Jeremy Barr
@jeremymbarr
On Fox News, Tucker Carlson brags about being the only network not to show the Jan. 6 hearing.

He says that Jan. 6 was a “a forgettably minor outbreak” of violence and says “it was not even close to an insurrection.”
10:09 AM · Jun 10, 2022

Cymek said:

esselte said:

roughbarked said:

It is true that the constitution is overdue for amendments. The 2nd amendment clearly needs to be brought into the 21st century.

US Constitution is the oldest active codified constitution in the world. It’s definitely looking a bit manky… bit of a musty smell to the whole thing. Probably the whole thing should be rewritten rather than just amended.

Perversely, most Americans (from all political persuasions) I have talked to about this are proud to have such an out-of-date document at the heart of their democracy.

What if it actually was “The right to bear arms” as they were in vogue at the time and some people wanted to stop others having them as it was cruel to bears

we mean what about morality based on works of fiction that are allegedly at least 2000 years old

SCIENCE said:

Cymek said:

esselte said:

US Constitution is the oldest active codified constitution in the world. It’s definitely looking a bit manky… bit of a musty smell to the whole thing. Probably the whole thing should be rewritten rather than just amended.

Perversely, most Americans (from all political persuasions) I have talked to about this are proud to have such an out-of-date document at the heart of their democracy.

What if it actually was “The right to bear arms” as they were in vogue at the time and some people wanted to stop others having them as it was cruel to bears

we mean what about morality based on works of fiction that are allegedly at least 2000 years old

Yeah well that’s the thing isn’t it, ancient “wisdom” governing how we act and treat others today.

sarahs mum said:

Jeremy Barr
@jeremymbarr
On Fox News, Tucker Carlson brags about being the only network not to show the Jan. 6 hearing.

He says that Jan. 6 was a “a forgettably minor outbreak” of violence and says “it was not even close to an insurrection.”
10:09 AM · Jun 10, 2022

exactly my original point: their insistence to remain willfully ignorant

roughbarked said:

It is true that the constitution is overdue for amendments. The 2nd amendment clearly needs to be brought into the 21st century.

>snip<
That an assault rifle or ten, will not protect you from maniacs with bigger guns.
>snip<

The BS NRA talking point about
the best defense against a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun
just got blown yo hell during the recent Uvaldi lambs to the slaughter
when 19 heavily armed police officers stood frozen in place while
that monstrous 18 year old continued killing young children

Ogmog said:

roughbarked said:

It is true that the constitution is overdue for amendments. The 2nd amendment clearly needs to be brought into the 21st century.

>snip<
That an assault rifle or ten, will not protect you from maniacs with bigger guns.
>snip<

The BS NRA talking point about
the best defense against a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun
just got blown yo hell during the recent Uvaldi lambs to the slaughter
when 19 heavily armed police officers stood frozen in place while
that monstrous 18 year old continued killing young children

Cowards, with kids involved you’d storm in no matter what, can’t make it worse

Did you read they are talking about (not sure if it was serious) having tazer armed drones in schools as a countermeasure for shooters, simple solution

Fuckin’ hell, quite a day

Former Trump Education Secretary DeVos says she had 25th Amendment discussions with Pence and Cabinet members

Betsy DeVos, who served as former President Donald Trump’s secretary of education, is acknowledging publicly for the first time that she discussed the possibility of invoking the 25th Amendment with other Cabinet members and then-Vice President Mike Pence following the January 6 US Capitol attack.

DeVos resigned from her post on January 7, the day after pro-Trump rioters stormed the Capitol. Before she left, she told USA Today in a new interview on Thursday, she explored whether using the 25th Amendment to remove Trump from office was a viable option before departing the administration.
She said Pence told her he would not support using the 25th Amendment and that his backing would be necessary for such an effort to be successful.
“I spoke with the vice president and just let him know I was there to do whatever he wanted and needed me to do or help with, and he made it very clear that he was not going to go in that direction or that path,” DeVos told USA Today. “I spoke with colleagues. I wanted to get a better understanding of the law itself and see if it was applicable in this case. There were more than a few people who had those conversations internally.”

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January 6 Vice Chair Cheney said Trump had a ‘seven-part plan’ to overturn the election. Here’s what she meant

Former President Donald Trump had a “sophisticated seven-point plan” to overturn the 2020 presidential election over the course of several months, January 6 committee Vice Chair Liz Cheney said, detailing how the panel plans to use its future hearings to tackle each part of the scheme.

“On the morning of January 6, President Donald Trump’s intention was to remain president of the United States, despite the lawful outcome of the 2020 election and in violation of his Constitutional obligation to relinquish power,” Cheney, a Wyoming Republican, said in her opening statement at Thursday’s prime-time hearing.
Cheney did not detail the specific points of the plan in her opening statement. She said that the rioters who breached the Capitol and fought with police were motivated by Trump’s actions falsely claiming that the election was stolen from him.
“President Trump summoned the mob, assembled the mob and lit the flame of this attack,” Cheney said, echoing the statement she made in 2021 when she voted to impeach Trump.
A committee source later provided CNN the following description of the “sophisticated seven-part plan”:

“President Trump oversaw a sophisticated seven-part plan to overturn the 2020 election and prevent the transition of presidential power.
President Trump engaged in a massive effort to spread false and fraudulent information to the American public claiming the 2020 election was stolen from him.
President Trump corruptly planned to replace the Acting Attorney General, so that the Department of Justice would support his fake election claims.
President Trump corruptly pressured Vice President Pence to refuse to count certified electoral votes in violation of the US Constitution and the law.
President Trump corruptly pressured state election officials, and state legislators, to change election results.
President Trump’s legal team and other Trump associates instructed Republicans in multiple states to create false electoral slates and transmit those slates to Congress and the National Archives.
President Trump summoned and assembled a violent mob in Washington and directed them to march on the US Capitol.

As the violence was underway, President Trump ignored multiple pleas for assistance and failed to take immediate action to stop the violence and instruct his supporters to leave the Capitol.

___

Top US general testified that Pence — not Trump — ordered National Guard troops to respond to Jan. 6 riot

“Vice President Pence – there were two or three calls with Vice President Pence. He was very animated, and he issued very explicit, very direct, unambiguous orders. There was no question about that,” Milley says in the video.
“He was very animated, very direct, very firm to Secretary Miller. Get the military down here, get the guard down here. Put down this situation, et cetera,” he added, referring to Pence.

Milley also described his interactions with Trump’s chief of staff Mark Meadows that day, drawing a stark contrast between those conversations with Pence.

“He said: We have to kill the narrative that the Vice President is making all the decisions. We need to establish the narrative, you know, that the President is still in charge and that things are steady or stable, or words to that effect,” Milley says in the video, referring to what Meadows told him.

“I immediately interpreted that as politics. Politics. Politics. Red flag for me, personally. No action. But I remember it distinctly,” he added.

CNN previously reported that Pence, not Trump, facilitated the mobilization of National Guard troops to respond to the riot.

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>>President Trump oversaw a sophisticated seven-part plan

Not too often do you see the words Trump and sophisticated in one sentence.

Peak Warming Man said:

>>President Trump oversaw a sophisticated seven-part plan

Not too often do you see the words Trump and sophisticated in one sentence.

I’m sure he’ll be chuffed.

Peak Warming Man said:

>>President Trump oversaw a sophisticated seven-part plan

Not too often do you see the words Trump and sophisticated in one sentence.

Yes, I did notice that too. I don’t really think they mean sophisticated, more schoolyard level bullying.

The committee’s first hearing was bolstered with never-before-seen video clips showing members of Trump’s White House and campaign — as well as his daughter Ivanka Trump and son-in-law Jared Kushner — speaking about how they didn’t believe Trump’s claims that the election was stolen.
Former Attorney General William Barr said that Trump’s claims of voter fraud were “bullshit.”
Ivanka Trump said that she respected Barr and “accepted what he was saying” about the election.
Trump spokesman Jason Miller said the campaign data person told Trump in “pretty blunt terms that he was going to lose.”

dv said:

The committee’s first hearing was bolstered with never-before-seen video clips showing members of Trump’s White House and campaign — as well as his daughter Ivanka Trump and son-in-law Jared Kushner — speaking about how they didn’t believe Trump’s claims that the election was stolen.
Former Attorney General William Barr said that Trump’s claims of voter fraud were “bullshit.”
Ivanka Trump said that she respected Barr and “accepted what he was saying” about the election.
Trump spokesman Jason Miller said the campaign data person told Trump in “pretty blunt terms that he was going to lose.”

Not sure how the USA electoral commission or the like works but if its as half as robust as ours you’d need so many people to conspire together it would be impossible.
They’d have no stake in it so why bother even trying

Are Ivanka and Jared trying to throw DJT under a bus before he throws them…?

Neophyte said:

Are Ivanka and Jared trying to throw DJT under a bus before he throws them…?

Because of their scams in Saudi Arabia and the Gulf nations, they no longer need to hope for an inheritance. Trump will be dead soon but at some point the Kushners are going to have to reenter polite society.

Planet America isn’t due back until August. I rather think a couple of episodes now might be fun.

buffy said:

Planet America isn’t due back until August. I rather think a couple of episodes now might be fun.

The Circus too.

Neophyte said:

buffy said:

Planet America isn’t due back until August. I rather think a couple of episodes now might be fun.

The Circus too.

I don’t know that one.

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I agree with the second two.

So you do not perceive happiness within thy good self?

I don’t agree with the presumption that because happiness is internal it cannot be pursued.

I didn’t say that.

I said that it doesn’t need to be pursued. There is a difference.

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

So you do not perceive happiness within thy good self?

I don’t agree with the presumption that because happiness is internal it cannot be pursued.

I didn’t say that.

I said that it doesn’t need to be pursued. There is a difference.

It doesn’t need to be, but why wouldn’t you?

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I don’t agree with the presumption that because happiness is internal it cannot be pursued.

I didn’t say that.

I said that it doesn’t need to be pursued. There is a difference.

It doesn’t need to be, but why wouldn’t you?

There’s no need to run around with a butterfly net attempting to catch some happiness.
It comes from within, you only have to look.

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

I didn’t say that.

I said that it doesn’t need to be pursued. There is a difference.

It doesn’t need to be, but why wouldn’t you?

There’s no need to run around with a butterfly net attempting to catch some happiness.
It comes from within, you only have to look.

I’m pretty sure nothing I said implied anything about activities with butterfly nets.

Sure some things that result in happiness require no effort, but some do.

mollwollfumble said:

Just love the King. Such a practical ruler.

Tamb said:

mollwollfumble said:

Just love the King. Such a practical ruler.

Courtier 1 “Sire, the moat monsters are starving”.
Courtier 2 “Sire, the peasants are demanding the right to swim in the moat”.
The King “Hmmmm”

Tamb said:

Tamb said:

mollwollfumble said:

Just love the King. Such a practical ruler.

Courtier 1 “Sire, the moat monsters are starving”.
Courtier 2 “Sire, the peasants are demanding the right to swim in the moat”.
The King “Hmmmm”

It’s good to be the king…

On January 6, Right-Wing Media Is Living In Another Universe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJ6rrqVI2w4

Blimey, just when you think that options for making yourself look stupid must nearly be exhausted:

https://www.sadanduseless.com/circle-beard/#more-120464

captain_spalding said:

Blimey, just when you think that options for making yourself look stupid must nearly be exhausted:

https://www.sadanduseless.com/circle-beard/#more-120464

Sorry, wrong thread.

Early, still dozy.

sarahs mum said:

On January 6, Right-Wing Media Is Living In Another Universe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJ6rrqVI2w4

This is worth the watch. How FOX is selling the Jan 6 committee stuff outrages me. oh for the old days when you could lose your license for being this sort of broadcaster in Aus.

As beau suggests FOX viewers won’t know unless they change the channel for some reason.

Let’s talk about Fox not airing the committee….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-MlH_yoRG8

Heather Cox Richardson
11 mins ·
June 13, 2022 (Monday)

Today was the second hearing of the House Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the U.S. Capitol. The day began with chair Bennie Thompson (D-MS) laying out clearly and simply that what Trump and his minions did was to try to steal from Americans our right to vote for the leaders we want. That’s the heart of our system of government and central to the rule of law. The investigation of what happened in the last months of the Trump administration isn’t some abstract debate about a short riot, deadly though it was; it is an examination of an attack on the American people and an attempt to destroy our democracy.

Once again, as it did last Thursday, the committee relied entirely on senior Republican officials and on members of Trump’s own inner circle to tell the story of how Trump tried to overthrow our government. This undercuts accusations that the committee is engaging in a “partisan witch hunt.” Notably, the committee itself is measured, polite, and serious, demonstrating to viewers what hearings used to be before they became ways to produce sound bites for right-wing media.

Observers have commented that House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) made a bad mistake in pulling his Republican nominees off the committee. He likely expected that such a move would discredit the committee, but House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s (D-CA) inclusion of Republicans Liz Cheney (R-WY) and Adam Kinzinger (R-IL) made the committee bipartisan anyway, and subsequent judicial decisions have concluded that the committee was constituted legally. What McCarthy really lost in pulling Republicans was not the ability to sway the story—the evidence is so clear that no one is challenging it—but the ability to create chaos and make it impossible for people to figure out what was happening, as Representative Jim Jordan (R-OH) did at the first impeachment hearings for Trump by yelling over witnesses, badgering, and bullying.

Representative Zoe Lofgren (D-CA) directed today’s hearing as the committee laid out proof that Trump had seeded the argument that the election was fraudulent for months before November 2020. As expected, election night showed the so-called red mirage, which Chris Stirewalt, the Fox News Channel’s elections expert during the 2020 election, explained meant that they expected in-person voting to favor Republicans, while mail-in voting would favor Democrats. That meant that early returns would make it look like Trump was winning, but the later returns would swing to Biden. That’s exactly what happened.

Trump’s advisors, including his campaign manager Bill Stepien, told Trump not to claim victory the night of the election, saying the numbers were still far too preliminary to call a victor. Trump ignored them and instead listened to “an apparently inebriated Rudy Giuliani,” who told him to declare victory. That’s what he did, claiming that he had won and election officials needed to stop counting the remaining ballots, which he insisted were fraudulent. Stepien testified that Trump had no evidence at all to make that claim. “We want all voting to stop,” Trump told the American people. “We don’t want them to find any ballots at 4:00 in the morning and add them to the list.”

Trump’s most senior advisors repeatedly told the former president that he had lost the election and that the many examples of fraud he kept citing were “wild,” “bullsh*t,” “bogus and silly and usually based on complete misinformation,” “debunked,” “incorrect,” and “bad information,” and yet Trump continued to emphasize those same theories and insist publicly that he had won.

On November 29, after Trump suggested that the FBI and others were involved in the fraud and that the Department of Justice wasn’t investigating, Attorney General Bill Barr told an AP reporter that there was “no evidence” of voter fraud that would have changed the outcome of the election. Called to the White House, Barr said he had never seen Trump so angry, but “the stuff his people were shoveling out to the public was bullsh*t.” Barr said he continually told Trump his claims about voting machines and so on were bogus. Barr actually laughed when mentioning and then debunking right-wing operative Dinesh D’Souza’s recent film “2000 Mules,” which purports to show how the election was stolen.

There was a suggestion on the part of the witnesses that Trump was being played by his disreputable associates—Barr said “if really believes this stuff, he has become detached from reality”—but sports writer Jeff Pearlman pointed out that Trump was following an old pattern. Seeding and insisting on a particular story contrary to all evidence, just to be able to set up a personal win, was the same playbook Trump used when he bankrupted the United States Football League in order to get himself an NFL franchise.

The committee did, though, suggest that the aim of the Big Lie was not just keeping Trump in power. It established that the Trump campaign sent millions of fundraising emails based on the promise to fight to challenge the election results, ultimately raising $250 million from small donors.

But get this: the so-called Election Defense Fund was never real.

According to witnesses, the claim to have such a fund was a “marketing tactic.” The money went to Trump’s own political action committee, the Save America PAC, which used the funds to pay off people in Trump’s orbit (more than $200,000 went to Trump’s hotels, and Don Jr.’s girlfriend, Kimberly Guilfoyle, was paid $60,000 for her two-and-a-half-minute introduction at the January 6 rally). Legal observers quickly pointed out that this sounds like wire fraud, which is illegal. The Guardian reporter Hugo Lowell reported that Attorney General Merrick Garland said he is watching the hearings and added, “I can assure you the January 6 prosecutors are watching the hearings as well.”

The committee established that Trump invented out of whole cloth the argument that he had won the election and had done so against the advice and evidence of his advisors. It concluded today’s hearing with video of the January 6th attackers using exactly Trump’s argument and even his words to justify their storming of the U.S. Capitol.

One of the key points the hearings raise is that all these senior officials who, now under oath, are saying that Trump lied and attacked our democracy against their advice and evidence, kept their mouths shut until forced to speak. They could—and should—have spoken up before January 6. And yet, Barr, for example, spent much of the summer reinforcing Trump’s lies about election integrity, and when he resigned on December 14, he wrote a congratulatory letter to Trump, defending most of his presidential policies. Even his reference to their recent argument could be read as supporting Trump’s lies: “it is incumbent on all levels of government…to do all we can to assure the integrity of elections and promote public confidence in their outcome,” he wrote.

Even more revealing is the case of Bill Stepien, Trump’s campaign manager, who now admits that there was never any evidence that Trump won the election or that the vote was fraudulent. Stepien is currently working with the campaign of hard-right, Trump-endorsed Republican Harriet Hageman, who is trying to unseat Cheney in Wyoming. Part of Hageman’s platform is her insistence that “ver the past two years we’ve seen Democrats chip away at…ree and fair elections…the foundation of our Republic.”

Across the country, Republicans have rewritten election laws to prevent another “stolen” election, even though they know there was no such thing. As leading Republican election lawyer Benjamin Ginsberg said today, “The 2020 election was not close.” Nonetheless, leading Republicans are willing to embrace the Big Lie in order to skew our election system to keep those like Trump in power.

It all comes down to who is welcome to participate in self-government in the United States, and we have been here before. In our nation’s first famous political coup in Wilmington, North Carolina, in 1898, about 2000 armed white Democrats overthrew a government of Black Republicans and white Populists. The Democrats agreed that the election had been fair, but they rejected its outcome nonetheless, saying they refused to live under the government voters had elected. They accused white men who had worked with the Republicans of tricking Black voters “so they can dominate the intelligent and thrifty element in the community.” They killed as many as 300 Black Americans in this “reform” of the city government.

The committee’s next public hearing will be on Wednesday at 10:00 a.m., Eastern time.

sarahs mum said:

Is that a threat?

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

Is that a threat?

Republican voters in Wyoming have turned their back on incumbent congresswoman Liz Cheney.

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

Is that a threat?

Rupert is running a counter narrative.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

Is that a threat?

Republican voters in Wyoming have turned their back on incumbent congresswoman Liz Cheney.

The primary election is 2 months away

dv said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Michael V said:

Is that a threat?

Republican voters in Wyoming have turned their back on incumbent congresswoman Liz Cheney.

The primary election is 2 months away

Ah, A Rupert wish.

Peak Warming Man said:

>>President Trump oversaw a sophisticated seven-part plan

Not too often do you see the words Trump and sophisticated in one sentence.

perhaps more suggests the possibility of strategy, which goes to motivation, which might be used to argue conspired to, manipulations inclining this and that, inciting, variously involving others, that sort of thing

dunno

good luck to whoever anyway trying to probe truth as it exists in cognitive hole of a narcissist, it’s not like the heuristics of their own mind is a natural study for them

transition said:

Peak Warming Man said:

>>President Trump oversaw a sophisticated seven-part plan

Not too often do you see the words Trump and sophisticated in one sentence.

perhaps more suggests the possibility of strategy, which goes to motivation, which might be used to argue conspired to, manipulations inclining this and that, inciting, variously involving others, that sort of thing

dunno

good luck to whoever anyway trying to probe truth as it exists in cognitive hole of a narcissist, it’s not like the heuristics of their own mind is a natural study for them

what about sophistry

dv said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Michael V said:

Is that a threat?

Republican voters in Wyoming have turned their back on incumbent congresswoman Liz Cheney.

The primary election is 2 months away

And anyway, she can feel happy that she’s done something good in her life.

buffy said:

dv said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Republican voters in Wyoming have turned their back on incumbent congresswoman Liz Cheney.

The primary election is 2 months away

And anyway, she can feel happy that she’s done something good in her life.

It would be good if Republicans with some regard for the constitution broke away before the midterms, maybe formed a new party or ran as independents.

dv said:

buffy said:

dv said:

The primary election is 2 months away

And anyway, she can feel happy that she’s done something good in her life.

It would be good if Republicans with some regard for the constitution broke away before the midterms, maybe formed a new party or ran as independents.

that’d be too much like how Russian athletes had to rebrand after drugs drugs and more drugs

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

buffy said:

And anyway, she can feel happy that she’s done something good in her life.

It would be good if Republicans with some regard for the constitution broke away before the midterms, maybe formed a new party or ran as independents.

that’d be too much like how Russian athletes had to rebrand after drugs drugs and more drugs

If it does happen, the Dems should probably not field candidates in those districts unless they are really confident of a win.

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

It would be good if Republicans with some regard for the constitution broke away before the midterms, maybe formed a new party or ran as independents.

that’d be too much like how Russian athletes had to rebrand after drugs drugs and more drugs

If it does happen, the Dems should probably not field candidates in those districts unless they are really confident of a win.

Open primaries for the win.

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

buffy said:

And anyway, she can feel happy that she’s done something good in her life.

It would be good if Republicans with some regard for the constitution broke away before the midterms, maybe formed a new party or ran as independents.

that’d be too much like how Russian athletes had to rebrand after drugs drugs and more drugs

It would be nothing like that all. The Russian Olympics federation was banned by a higher authority. Some individuals who were able to refute the presumption of doping were allowed to compete as individuals.

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

It would be good if Republicans with some regard for the constitution broke away before the midterms, maybe formed a new party or ran as independents.

that’d be too much like how Russian athletes had to rebrand after drugs drugs and more drugs

It would be nothing like that all. The Russian Olympics federation was banned by a higher authority. Some individuals who were able to refute the presumption of doping were allowed to compete as individuals.

uh

how is Republicans overall being repudiated by the highest USSA authority of all, the constitution, then the few with regard for the authority running as independents, unlike … wait

*puts this here because it is the easiest option.

>>The ReAwaken tour’s pro-Trump political messages mixed with Christian nationalism was on display at a two-day gathering in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, in May that drew Flynn, Stone, Eric Trump and the rightwing pastor Mark Burns, who is running for a House seat in the state.

Stone revved up the crowd with at times bizarre conspiratorial claims. “There is a satanic portal above the White House, you can see day and night. It exists. It is real. And it must be closed. And it will be closed by prayer,” he said.

The “portal”, Stone told a rapt crowd, first appeared after Joe Biden “became president and it will be closed before he leaves”. Stone, a longtime Trump confidant, was convicted on three counts including obstruction during the Russia meddling investigations, but he was pardoned in late 2020 by Trump, who had earlier commuted his sentence.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jun/14/roger-stone-michael-flynn-distorting-christianity-reawaken-america

sarahs mum said:

*puts this here because it is the easiest option.

>>The ReAwaken tour’s pro-Trump political messages mixed with Christian nationalism was on display at a two-day gathering in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, in May that drew Flynn, Stone, Eric Trump and the rightwing pastor Mark Burns, who is running for a House seat in the state.

Stone revved up the crowd with at times bizarre conspiratorial claims. “There is a satanic portal above the White House, you can see day and night. It exists. It is real. And it must be closed. And it will be closed by prayer,” he said.

The “portal”, Stone told a rapt crowd, first appeared after Joe Biden “became president and it will be closed before he leaves”. Stone, a longtime Trump confidant, was convicted on three counts including obstruction during the Russia meddling investigations, but he was pardoned in late 2020 by Trump, who had earlier commuted his sentence.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jun/14/roger-stone-michael-flynn-distorting-christianity-reawaken-america

Bloody hell, no-one had told me about the Satanic portal. I just bet that the main stream media is suppressing the news, the bastards.

sibeen said:

sarahs mum said:

*puts this here because it is the easiest option.

>>The ReAwaken tour’s pro-Trump political messages mixed with Christian nationalism was on display at a two-day gathering in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, in May that drew Flynn, Stone, Eric Trump and the rightwing pastor Mark Burns, who is running for a House seat in the state.

Stone revved up the crowd with at times bizarre conspiratorial claims. “There is a satanic portal above the White House, you can see day and night. It exists. It is real. And it must be closed. And it will be closed by prayer,” he said.

The “portal”, Stone told a rapt crowd, first appeared after Joe Biden “became president and it will be closed before he leaves”. Stone, a longtime Trump confidant, was convicted on three counts including obstruction during the Russia meddling investigations, but he was pardoned in late 2020 by Trump, who had earlier commuted his sentence.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jun/14/roger-stone-michael-flynn-distorting-christianity-reawaken-america

Bloody hell, no-one had told me about the Satanic portal. I just bet that the main stream media is suppressing the news, the bastards.

They are, they are.

Paul Ryan just slammed Republicans who didn’t vote to impeach Donald Trump

CNN)Former House Speaker Paul Ryan has largely disappeared from the national political scene. Which makes what he said earlier this week about the House vote to impeach Donald Trump in 2021 all the more notable.

“There were a lot of people who wanted to vote like Tom but who just didn’t have the guts to do it,” Ryan said of South Carolina Rep. Tom Rice, who he had traveled to the state to endorse, according to the Myrtle Beach Sun News. “There are a lot of people who say they’re going to vote their conscience, they’re going to vote for the Constitution, they’re going to vote for their convictions but when it gets hard to do that they don’t do it.”

Rice is one of 10 House Republicans who voted to impeach Trump following the riot at the US Capitol on January 6, 2021. As I wrote at the time, Rice’s vote caught Republicans by surprise as he had given little indication of his plan to break from his party.

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/06/03/politics/paul-ryan-republicans-impeach-trump/index.html

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

Stone revved up the crowd with at times bizarre conspiratorial claims. “There is a satanic portal above the White House, you can see day and night. It exists.”

That’s the sort of thing that can really put a dent in re-sale value, and hurt property values in the surrounding area.

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

Stone revved up the crowd with at times bizarre conspiratorial claims. “There is a satanic portal above the White House, you can see day and night. It exists.”

That’s the sort of thing that can really put a dent in re-sale value, and hurt property values in the surrounding area.

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

Stone revved up the crowd with at times bizarre conspiratorial claims. “There is a satanic portal above the White House, you can see day and night. It exists.”

That’s the sort of thing that can really put a dent in re-sale value, and hurt property values in the surrounding area.

Actually, MV didn’t say that, it was me. I’m having editing/keyboard skills troubles this morning.

captain_spalding said:

captain_spalding said:

sarahs mum said:

Stone revved up the crowd with at times bizarre conspiratorial claims. “There is a satanic portal above the White House, you can see day and night. It exists.”

That’s the sort of thing that can really put a dent in re-sale value, and hurt property values in the surrounding area.

Actually, MV didn’t say that, it was me. I’m having editing/keyboard skills troubles this morning.

Darned right I didn’t say that. But I would’ve, had I had the skills to think it.

Michael V said:

captain_spalding said:

captain_spalding said:

That’s the sort of thing that can really put a dent in re-sale value, and hurt property values in the surrounding area.

Actually, MV didn’t say that, it was me. I’m having editing/keyboard skills troubles this morning.

Darned right I didn’t say that. But I would’ve, had I had the skills to think it.

The portal seems to be an ‘emperor’s new clothes’ thing. Those who are ‘wise enough’ can presumably see it quite well.

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

captain_spalding said:

Actually, MV didn’t say that, it was me. I’m having editing/keyboard skills troubles this morning.

Darned right I didn’t say that. But I would’ve, had I had the skills to think it.

The portal seems to be an ‘emperor’s new clothes’ thing. Those who are ‘wise enough’ can presumably see it quite well.

Ah.

MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell details the legal problems Donald Trump could face from prosecutors as the January 6th Select Committee continues to lay out its case against Trump and his allies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erbcSFSrmNY

New York attorney gen seems like she’d be happy to go for fraud charges based on the evidence coming out.

sarahs mum said:

MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell details the legal problems Donald Trump could face from prosecutors as the January 6th Select Committee continues to lay out its case against Trump and his allies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erbcSFSrmNY

New York attorney gen seems like she’d be happy to go for fraud charges based on the evidence coming out.

The House select committee investigating the January 6 Capitol attack appeared to make the case at its second hearing that Donald Trump and his campaign engaged in potential fundraising fraud, raising $250m for a Trump “election defense fund” that did not actually exist.

The hearing, led by Congresswoman Zoe Lofgren, also showed that Trump and the campaign raised millions for thefund and then funneled the money to, among other destinations, the Trump business properties as well as Trump’s own Save America political action committee.

In showing that Trump deceived donors into contributing money to the election defense fund – based on claims about a stolen election that his top advisers told him were nonsense – the panel suggested Trump engaged in potential fraud as well as other violations of federal law.The select committee said through filings and other evidence, it found the Trump campaign raised $100m in the first week after the election and overall raised about $250m as it asked donors to help fundraise legal challenges to the results.

But the “Official Election Defense Fund”, as it was billed on fundraising emails that were repeatedly sent up until 30 minutes before the Capitol attack, did not formally exist, according to Trump campaign aides Hannah Allred and Gary Coby, who testified to the panel.

“The big lie was also a big ripoff,” Lofgren said of the deception at the hearing, later telling CNN: “He intentionally misled his donors, asked them to donate to a fund that didn’t exist and used the money raised for something other than what it said.”

The Trump campaign was able to fundraise through to January 6 since Trump continued frivolous election litigation past the so-called safe harbor deadline, which is generally accepted as the date by which state-level election challenges – like recounts – must be completed.

The select committee doubled down on establishing Trump’s criminal or corrupt intent in seeking to overturn the 2020 election results by showing he could not have reasonably believed he had defeated Biden when some of his most senior advisers told him otherwise.

Trump was told by every credible adviser, from former attorney general Bill Barr to former Trump campaign chair Bill Stepien to former Trump White House lawyer Eric Herschmann to former Fox News political editor Chris Stirewalt, that the election was not stolen.
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The admissions by Trump’s top officials are significant as they could put federal prosecutors one step closer to being able to charge Trump with obstructing an official proceeding or defrauding the United States on the basis of election fraud claims he knew were false.

The select committee in short made the case that if Trump is ever charged, he could not use the defense that he acted in potential criminal ways because he earnestly believed there was election fraud because he was told otherwise – the doctrine of “wilful blindness”.

At the second hearing, the select committee also revealed a new piece of information: that Trump falsely declared victory on election night at the White House at the insistence of his attorney Rudy Giuliani, and against the advice of every other presidential adviser.

The former president had infamously claimed on election night that “frankly, we did win this election” even though no winner had yet been announced, as a number of the most closely contested states were still counting millions of mail-in ballots.

How Trump came to falsely declare victory on election night was not exactly clear, until the select committee on Tuesday played a video of the top Trump White House aide Jason Miller testifying that Giuliani recommended to Trump they just pretend that they had won.

“They’re stealing it from us,” Giuliani told the then president when he found him at the White House, according to Miller, who also testified that the former New York mayor seemed drunk. “Where do all the votes come from? We need to go say that we won.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jun/15/capitol-attack-panel-trump-election-defense-fund

January 6 Panel Releases Video Of Capitol Tour On January 5

The Guardian’s Hugo Lowell joins Way Too Early to discuss the Jan. 6 committee’s third hearing and a tour given by GOP Rep. Barry Loudermilk on January 5.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ee9B28aDvU

sarahs mum said:

January 6 Panel Releases Video Of Capitol Tour On January 5

The Guardian’s Hugo Lowell joins Way Too Early to discuss the Jan. 6 committee’s third hearing and a tour given by GOP Rep. Barry Loudermilk on January 5.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ee9B28aDvU

and the building was supposed to be closed to the public on the 5th.