“How Russia Will Die“https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwPMtmuuVNw

Well, the American Empire is still rapidly expanding.

mollwollfumble said:

Well, the American Empire is still rapidly expanding.

Nah. They have their own problems too.

mollwollfumble said:

Well, the American Empire is still rapidly expanding.

Care to provide a list of the countries that were absorbed into the American Empire over the last 10 years or so?

The Rev Dodgson said:

mollwollfumble said:

Well, the American Empire is still rapidly expanding.

Care to provide a list of the countries that were absorbed into the American Empire over the last 10 years or so?

They built a wall or started to.

roughbarked said:

mollwollfumble said:

Well, the American Empire is still rapidly expanding.

Nah. They have their own problems too.

maybe it’s like expansion of gas

roughbarked said:

“How Russia Will Die“https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwPMtmuuVNw

“Don’t have any natural ways to generate capital on their own”… what’s he talking about? Russia is one the best placed countries on Earth on terms of resources. Vast cropland, huge mineral and energy resources, ports on 3 oceans, territory on two continents spanning from the warm temperate to the high Arctic. Their problems are to do with politics, external and internal. If they were governed moderately well and weren’t a pariah state they could be one of the world’s most prosperous ations.

dv said:

roughbarked said:

“How Russia Will Die“https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwPMtmuuVNw

“Don’t have any natural ways to generate capital on their own”… what’s he talking about? Russia is one the best placed countries on Earth on terms of resources. Vast cropland, huge mineral and energy resources, ports on 3 oceans, territory on two continents spanning from the warm temperate to the high Arctic. Their problems are to do with politics, external and internal. If they were governed moderately well and weren’t a pariah state they could be one of the world’s most prosperous ations.

Most of what he was talking about is that the age group 20<40 is severely lacking.

dv said:

roughbarked said:

“How Russia Will Die“https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwPMtmuuVNw

“Don’t have any natural ways to generate capital on their own”… what’s he talking about? Russia is one the best placed countries on Earth on terms of resources. Vast cropland, huge mineral and energy resources, ports on 3 oceans, territory on two continents spanning from the warm temperate to the high Arctic. Their problems are to do with politics, external and internal. If they were governed moderately well and weren’t a pariah state they could be one of the world’s most prosperous ations.

>“Don’t have any natural ways to generate capital on their own”

I expect it’s the sort of thing an inverted-fascist globalist might say, though haven’t watched or read anything of the source, so whatever, i’m talking nonsense probably

transition said:

dv said:

roughbarked said:

“How Russia Will Die“https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwPMtmuuVNw

“Don’t have any natural ways to generate capital on their own”… what’s he talking about? Russia is one the best placed countries on Earth on terms of resources. Vast cropland, huge mineral and energy resources, ports on 3 oceans, territory on two continents spanning from the warm temperate to the high Arctic. Their problems are to do with politics, external and internal. If they were governed moderately well and weren’t a pariah state they could be one of the world’s most prosperous ations.

>“Don’t have any natural ways to generate capital on their own”

I expect it’s the sort of thing an inverted-fascist globalist might say, though haven’t watched or read anything of the source, so whatever, i’m talking nonsense probably

There we are then.

There’s always something we can agree on :)

I just read that it’s someones job to carry around a brief case to called Putins literal shit so ‘enemies’ cannot use it to gather health information…

I’m inclined to believe that they are just crazy enough to do this.

Arts said:

I just read that it’s someones job to carry around a brief case to called Putins literal shit so ‘enemies’ cannot use it to gather health information…

I’m inclined to believe that they are just crazy enough to do this.

collect*

The Rev Dodgson said:

transition said:

dv said:

“Don’t have any natural ways to generate capital on their own”… what’s he talking about? Russia is one the best placed countries on Earth on terms of resources. Vast cropland, huge mineral and energy resources, ports on 3 oceans, territory on two continents spanning from the warm temperate to the high Arctic. Their problems are to do with politics, external and internal. If they were governed moderately well and weren’t a pariah state they could be one of the world’s most prosperous ations.

>“Don’t have any natural ways to generate capital on their own”

I expect it’s the sort of thing an inverted-fascist globalist might say, though haven’t watched or read anything of the source, so whatever, i’m talking nonsense probably

There we are then.

There’s always something we can agree on :)

chuckle

Arts said:

I just read that it’s someones job to carry around a brief case to called Putins literal shit so ‘enemies’ cannot use it to gather health information…

I’m inclined to believe that they are just crazy enough to do this.

and I thought owning a dog would be bad enough.

The Rev Dodgson said:

transition said:

dv said:

“Don’t have any natural ways to generate capital on their own”… what’s he talking about? Russia is one the best placed countries on Earth on terms of resources. Vast cropland, huge mineral and energy resources, ports on 3 oceans, territory on two continents spanning from the warm temperate to the high Arctic. Their problems are to do with politics, external and internal. If they were governed moderately well and weren’t a pariah state they could be one of the world’s most prosperous ations.

>“Don’t have any natural ways to generate capital on their own”

I expect it’s the sort of thing an inverted-fascist globalist might say, though haven’t watched or read anything of the source, so whatever, i’m talking nonsense probably

There we are then.

There’s always something we can agree on :)

so basically the solution is for glorious coalitions of willing western guntoting democracies to march right in and achieve regime change and all will be good in the broad sunlit uplands of vast cropping mining and energetic potential

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

transition said:

>“Don’t have any natural ways to generate capital on their own”

I expect it’s the sort of thing an inverted-fascist globalist might say, though haven’t watched or read anything of the source, so whatever, i’m talking nonsense probably

There we are then.

There’s always something we can agree on :)

so basically the solution is for glorious coalitions of willing western guntoting democracies to march right in and achieve regime change and all will be good in the broad sunlit uplands of vast cropping mining and energetic potential

Russia has the 2nd largest nuclear arsenal and the worst case scenario for them still leaves them as a pretty important nation.

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

There we are then.

There’s always something we can agree on :)

so basically the solution is for glorious coalitions of willing western guntoting democracies to march right in and achieve regime change and all will be good in the broad sunlit uplands of vast cropping mining and energetic potential

Russia has the 2nd largest nuclear arsenal and the worst case scenario for them still leaves them as a pretty important nation.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-13/nuclear-arsenal-to-grow-for-first-time-since-cold-war-sipri/101147652

I find this guy to be very compelling and very easy to listen to as he tries to explain complex topics.

Not sure if I agree with everything he says, or to the same extent that he does. But he is very refreshing to listen to. By the way, in other videos he has done he predicts that Ukraine will eventually fall if the war grinds on too long.

Russia is self sufficient, they had a problem with one thing a while back – buttons but that’s been solved. They MAKE everything they need – yes even microchips ( they mentioned that the nuclear missile they made is 100 percent domestically produced.

With 27,000 T72s in storage alone they could probably win this war with them alone.

The word is Europe is going to be permanently cut off from Russian products in September – they don’t need Europe anymore.

They MAKE everything they need – 

even FRIENDS.. mined in secret locations in the far east

Ian said:

They MAKE everything they need – 

even FRIENDS.. mined in secret locations in the far east

Vast legions of Russian bots marching out from the frozen tundra

The end game in ukraine is either a large western live fire zone where Russia and the american gov dukes it out forever or Russia goes all the way to the border. A fence is put up, the roads ripped up and nothing more sent west.

wookiemeister said:

The end game in ukraine is either a large western live fire zone where Russia and the american gov dukes it out forever or Russia goes all the way to the border. A fence is put up, the roads ripped up and nothing more sent west.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-13/wikipedia-appeals-court-decision-remove-ukraine-war-information/101149268

Owners of Wikipedia have filed an appeal after a Moscow court ordered it to remove information related to the Russian invasion of Ukraine, arguing that people have a right to know the facts of the war.

A Moscow court fined the Wikimedia Foundation 5 million roubles ($126,000) for refusing to remove what it termed disinformation from Russian-language Wikipedia articles on the war including “The Russian Invasion of Ukraine”, “War Crimes during the Russian Invasion of Ukraine” and “Massacre in Bucha”.

“This decision implies that well-sourced, verified knowledge on Wikipedia that is inconsistent with Russian government accounts constitutes disinformation,” Stephen LaPorte of the Wikimedia Foundation said in a statement.

Wikipedia, which says it offers “the second draft of history”, is one of the few remaining major fact-checked Russian-language sources of information for Russians after a crackdown on media in Moscow.

“The government is targeting information that is vital to people’s lives in a time of crisis,” Mr LaPorte said.

“We urge the court to reconsider in favour of everyone’s rights to knowledge access and free expression.”

The Moscow court argued that what it described as disinformation on Wikipedia posed a risk to public order in Russia.

roughbarked said:

wookiemeister said:

The end game in ukraine is either a large western live fire zone where Russia and the american gov dukes it out forever or Russia goes all the way to the border. A fence is put up, the roads ripped up and nothing more sent west.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-13/wikipedia-appeals-court-decision-remove-ukraine-war-information/101149268

Owners of Wikipedia have filed an appeal after a Moscow court ordered it to remove information related to the Russian invasion of Ukraine, arguing that people have a right to know the facts of the war.

A Moscow court fined the Wikimedia Foundation 5 million roubles ($126,000) for refusing to remove what it termed disinformation from Russian-language Wikipedia articles on the war including “The Russian Invasion of Ukraine”, “War Crimes during the Russian Invasion of Ukraine” and “Massacre in Bucha”.

“This decision implies that well-sourced, verified knowledge on Wikipedia that is inconsistent with Russian government accounts constitutes disinformation,” Stephen LaPorte of the Wikimedia Foundation said in a statement.

Wikipedia, which says it offers “the second draft of history”, is one of the few remaining major fact-checked Russian-language sources of information for Russians after a crackdown on media in Moscow.

“The government is targeting information that is vital to people’s lives in a time of crisis,” Mr LaPorte said.

“We urge the court to reconsider in favour of everyone’s rights to knowledge access and free expression.”

The Moscow court argued that what it described as disinformation on Wikipedia posed a risk to public order in Russia.

I’ll see you with a ghost of kiev and raise you a “bucha”

No information coming from official western channels is real I’m afraid, it’s the fog of war

Know this, for as much as people might complain the tanks, missiles and soldiers come marching from the east – and winter is coming. This is one diddle you can’t undo bo diddly.

wookiemeister said:

roughbarked said:

wookiemeister said:

The end game in ukraine is either a large western live fire zone where Russia and the american gov dukes it out forever or Russia goes all the way to the border. A fence is put up, the roads ripped up and nothing more sent west.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-13/wikipedia-appeals-court-decision-remove-ukraine-war-information/101149268

Owners of Wikipedia have filed an appeal after a Moscow court ordered it to remove information related to the Russian invasion of Ukraine, arguing that people have a right to know the facts of the war.

A Moscow court fined the Wikimedia Foundation 5 million roubles ($126,000) for refusing to remove what it termed disinformation from Russian-language Wikipedia articles on the war including “The Russian Invasion of Ukraine”, “War Crimes during the Russian Invasion of Ukraine” and “Massacre in Bucha”.

“This decision implies that well-sourced, verified knowledge on Wikipedia that is inconsistent with Russian government accounts constitutes disinformation,” Stephen LaPorte of the Wikimedia Foundation said in a statement.

Wikipedia, which says it offers “the second draft of history”, is one of the few remaining major fact-checked Russian-language sources of information for Russians after a crackdown on media in Moscow.

“The government is targeting information that is vital to people’s lives in a time of crisis,” Mr LaPorte said.

“We urge the court to reconsider in favour of everyone’s rights to knowledge access and free expression.”

The Moscow court argued that what it described as disinformation on Wikipedia posed a risk to public order in Russia.

I’ll see you with a ghost of kiev and raise you a “bucha”

No information coming from official western channels is real I’m afraid, it’s the fog of war

Know this, for as much as people might complain the tanks, missiles and soldiers come marching from the east – and winter is coming. This is one diddle you can’t undo bo diddly.

Russia can block Wikipedia but what hope can they have for “legal” means to stop the spread of information (mis or otherwise)
C’mon the irony is strong in this one with Russia upset about controlling information, they spread lies far and wide

Cymek said:

wookiemeister said:

roughbarked said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-13/wikipedia-appeals-court-decision-remove-ukraine-war-information/101149268

Owners of Wikipedia have filed an appeal after a Moscow court ordered it to remove information related to the Russian invasion of Ukraine, arguing that people have a right to know the facts of the war.

A Moscow court fined the Wikimedia Foundation 5 million roubles ($126,000) for refusing to remove what it termed disinformation from Russian-language Wikipedia articles on the war including “The Russian Invasion of Ukraine”, “War Crimes during the Russian Invasion of Ukraine” and “Massacre in Bucha”.

“This decision implies that well-sourced, verified knowledge on Wikipedia that is inconsistent with Russian government accounts constitutes disinformation,” Stephen LaPorte of the Wikimedia Foundation said in a statement.

Wikipedia, which says it offers “the second draft of history”, is one of the few remaining major fact-checked Russian-language sources of information for Russians after a crackdown on media in Moscow.

“The government is targeting information that is vital to people’s lives in a time of crisis,” Mr LaPorte said.

“We urge the court to reconsider in favour of everyone’s rights to knowledge access and free expression.”

The Moscow court argued that what it described as disinformation on Wikipedia posed a risk to public order in Russia.

I’ll see you with a ghost of kiev and raise you a “bucha”

No information coming from official western channels is real I’m afraid, it’s the fog of war

Know this, for as much as people might complain the tanks, missiles and soldiers come marching from the east – and winter is coming. This is one diddle you can’t undo bo diddly.

Russia can block Wikipedia but what hope can they have for “legal” means to stop the spread of information (mis or otherwise)
C’mon the irony is strong in this one with Russia upset about controlling information, they spread lies far and wide

I’m amazed the russians care. I think it’s a trolling action – they understand we have an elite whose heads are full of wood shavings, they all about twitter spats and controlling the narrative in the empire of lies. I don’t think they take it seriously, it’s to keep us busy as the tanks bulldoze their way across the fields of ukraine ( end – region).

Meanwhile alerts go out to QLD telling people hey, we’ve shut down baseload power and might go dark.

In a year’s time we’ll have at least another 100,000 new people all needing power and water, the blackouts are are certainty.

Is Russia at its end? I doubt it.

wookiemeister said:

roughbarked said:

wookiemeister said:

The end game in ukraine is either a large western live fire zone where Russia and the american gov dukes it out forever or Russia goes all the way to the border. A fence is put up, the roads ripped up and nothing more sent west.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-13/wikipedia-appeals-court-decision-remove-ukraine-war-information/101149268

Owners of Wikipedia have filed an appeal after a Moscow court ordered it to remove information related to the Russian invasion of Ukraine, arguing that people have a right to know the facts of the war.

A Moscow court fined the Wikimedia Foundation 5 million roubles ($126,000) for refusing to remove what it termed disinformation from Russian-language Wikipedia articles on the war including “The Russian Invasion of Ukraine”, “War Crimes during the Russian Invasion of Ukraine” and “Massacre in Bucha”.

“This decision implies that well-sourced, verified knowledge on Wikipedia that is inconsistent with Russian government accounts constitutes disinformation,” Stephen LaPorte of the Wikimedia Foundation said in a statement.

Wikipedia, which says it offers “the second draft of history”, is one of the few remaining major fact-checked Russian-language sources of information for Russians after a crackdown on media in Moscow.

“The government is targeting information that is vital to people’s lives in a time of crisis,” Mr LaPorte said.

“We urge the court to reconsider in favour of everyone’s rights to knowledge access and free expression.”

The Moscow court argued that what it described as disinformation on Wikipedia posed a risk to public order in Russia.

I’ll see you with a ghost of kiev and raise you a “bucha”

No information coming from official western channels is real I’m afraid, it’s the fog of war

Know this, for as much as people might complain the tanks, missiles and soldiers come marching from the east – and winter is coming. This is one diddle you can’t undo bo diddly.

What constitutes ‘western channels’?

Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

roughbarked said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-13/wikipedia-appeals-court-decision-remove-ukraine-war-information/101149268

Owners of Wikipedia have filed an appeal after a Moscow court ordered it to remove information related to the Russian invasion of Ukraine, arguing that people have a right to know the facts of the war.

A Moscow court fined the Wikimedia Foundation 5 million roubles ($126,000) for refusing to remove what it termed disinformation from Russian-language Wikipedia articles on the war including “The Russian Invasion of Ukraine”, “War Crimes during the Russian Invasion of Ukraine” and “Massacre in Bucha”.

“This decision implies that well-sourced, verified knowledge on Wikipedia that is inconsistent with Russian government accounts constitutes disinformation,” Stephen LaPorte of the Wikimedia Foundation said in a statement.

Wikipedia, which says it offers “the second draft of history”, is one of the few remaining major fact-checked Russian-language sources of information for Russians after a crackdown on media in Moscow.

“The government is targeting information that is vital to people’s lives in a time of crisis,” Mr LaPorte said.

“We urge the court to reconsider in favour of everyone’s rights to knowledge access and free expression.”

The Moscow court argued that what it described as disinformation on Wikipedia posed a risk to public order in Russia.

I’ll see you with a ghost of kiev and raise you a “bucha”

No information coming from official western channels is real I’m afraid, it’s the fog of war

Know this, for as much as people might complain the tanks, missiles and soldiers come marching from the east – and winter is coming. This is one diddle you can’t undo bo diddly.

What constitutes ‘western channels’?

Add ‘official’.

Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

roughbarked said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-13/wikipedia-appeals-court-decision-remove-ukraine-war-information/101149268

Owners of Wikipedia have filed an appeal after a Moscow court ordered it to remove information related to the Russian invasion of Ukraine, arguing that people have a right to know the facts of the war.

A Moscow court fined the Wikimedia Foundation 5 million roubles ($126,000) for refusing to remove what it termed disinformation from Russian-language Wikipedia articles on the war including “The Russian Invasion of Ukraine”, “War Crimes during the Russian Invasion of Ukraine” and “Massacre in Bucha”.

“This decision implies that well-sourced, verified knowledge on Wikipedia that is inconsistent with Russian government accounts constitutes disinformation,” Stephen LaPorte of the Wikimedia Foundation said in a statement.

Wikipedia, which says it offers “the second draft of history”, is one of the few remaining major fact-checked Russian-language sources of information for Russians after a crackdown on media in Moscow.

“The government is targeting information that is vital to people’s lives in a time of crisis,” Mr LaPorte said.

“We urge the court to reconsider in favour of everyone’s rights to knowledge access and free expression.”

The Moscow court argued that what it described as disinformation on Wikipedia posed a risk to public order in Russia.

I’ll see you with a ghost of kiev and raise you a “bucha”

No information coming from official western channels is real I’m afraid, it’s the fog of war

Know this, for as much as people might complain the tanks, missiles and soldiers come marching from the east – and winter is coming. This is one diddle you can’t undo bo diddly.

What constitutes ‘western channels’?

Too long and complicated, make a guess

wookiemeister said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

I’ll see you with a ghost of kiev and raise you a “bucha”

No information coming from official western channels is real I’m afraid, it’s the fog of war

Know this, for as much as people might complain the tanks, missiles and soldiers come marching from the east – and winter is coming. This is one diddle you can’t undo bo diddly.

What constitutes ‘western channels’?

Too long and complicated, make a guess

So is the Kremlin controlled Russia media as bad as the western media you scorn?

Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

What constitutes ‘western channels’?

Too long and complicated, make a guess

So is the Kremlin controlled Russia media as bad as the western media you scorn?

I take their list on Ukrainian losses at face value.

Kremlin controlled narrative is no different than the BBC, you need to work things out

Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

What constitutes ‘western channels’?

Too long and complicated, make a guess

So is the Kremlin controlled Russia media as bad as the western media you scorn?

Good morning Moscow, with Svetta and Victor is OK

wookiemeister said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

Too long and complicated, make a guess

So is the Kremlin controlled Russia media as bad as the western media you scorn?

I take their list on Ukrainian losses at face value.

Kremlin controlled narrative is no different than the BBC, you need to work things out

The irony is, your how shall we say, independent mindset would have you first against the wall in Putin’s Russia.

Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

So is the Kremlin controlled Russia media as bad as the western media you scorn?

I take their list on Ukrainian losses at face value.

Kremlin controlled narrative is no different than the BBC, you need to work things out

The irony is, your how shall we say, independent mindset would have you first against the wall in Putin’s Russia.

He’d be protected by drones

Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

So is the Kremlin controlled Russia media as bad as the western media you scorn?

I take their list on Ukrainian losses at face value.

Kremlin controlled narrative is no different than the BBC, you need to work things out

The irony is, your how shall we say, independent mindset would have you first against the wall in Putin’s Russia.

I doubt it

The Kremlin only acts against those that start gathering a following, apart from that they don’t care what you think.

The problem with the yanks is they let a foreign entity take over its gov and blow up its economy

There was some mad shaman that wandered Russia delivering dark proclamations about putin – when more people started following him they put him in a lunatic asylum and everyone forgot him. You don’t hear too much about Assange, even less about snowden.

Whenever Russia pops up a voice goes off in my head

The Russians are a very sentimental people

( but that said you shouldn’t provoke them – it might be the last thing you do)

wookiemeister said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

I take their list on Ukrainian losses at face value.

Kremlin controlled narrative is no different than the BBC, you need to work things out

The irony is, your how shall we say, independent mindset would have you first against the wall in Putin’s Russia.

I doubt it

The Kremlin only acts against those that start gathering a following, apart from that they don’t care what you think.

They’ll jailing people for the temerity of declaring a war a war.

Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

The irony is, your how shall we say, independent mindset would have you first against the wall in Putin’s Russia.

I doubt it

The Kremlin only acts against those that start gathering a following, apart from that they don’t care what you think.

They’ll jailing people for the temerity of declaring a war a war.

Their country – their rules

Its like the yanks, whatever batshit crazy stuff that goes on there shouldn’t be transferred here.

Its like China – yes they have concentration camps, nothing we can do. Just don’t import all the problems of China to become our problem, you can’t solve the world’s proens problems – just don’t bring problems here.

Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

The irony is, your how shall we say, independent mindset would have you first against the wall in Putin’s Russia.

I doubt it

The Kremlin only acts against those that start gathering a following, apart from that they don’t care what you think.

They’ll jailing people for the temerity of declaring a war a war.

^this

some people won’t even talk about the “special operation” in public

diddly-squat said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

I doubt it

The Kremlin only acts against those that start gathering a following, apart from that they don’t care what you think.

They’ll jailing people for the temerity of declaring a war a war.

^this

some people won’t even talk about the “special operation” in public

Historically Russia has always had a military strong and

Yes that’s what happens, no one is forcing dissenters to stay.

wookiemeister said:

diddly-squat said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

They’ll jailing people for the temerity of declaring a war a war.

^this

some people won’t even talk about the “special operation” in public

Historically Russia has always had a military strong MAN

Yes that’s what happens, no one is forcing dissenters to stay.

edit

Sorry if the word MAN offends anyone

wookiemeister said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

I doubt it

The Kremlin only acts against those that start gathering a following, apart from that they don’t care what you think.

They’ll jailing people for the temerity of declaring a war a war.

Their country – their rules

First against the wall it is then.

Cymek said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

Too long and complicated, make a guess

So is the Kremlin controlled Russia media as bad as the western media you scorn?

Good morning Moscow, with Svetta and Victor is OK

Screen shot over to Victor in Ukraine

Everything is Ok here (visual to exploding tank in background)

Oh, thats Ivan, he must have dropped something, he’ll be Ok

(visual to second exploding tank in foreground)

Thats Igor, He went to Taco Bell last night. (visual to 3rd exploding tank in background)

Things are great, back to you Svetta.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Cymek said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

So is the Kremlin controlled Russia media as bad as the western media you scorn?

Good morning Moscow, with Svetta and Victor is OK

Screen shot over to Victor in Ukraine

Everything is Ok here (visual to exploding tank in background)

Oh, thats Ivan, he must have dropped something, he’ll be Ok

(visual to second exploding tank in foreground)

Thats Igor, He went to Taco Bell last night. (visual to 3rd exploding tank in background)

Things are great, back to you Svetta.

(visual to 4rd exploding tank in background)

Svetta “Victor Ive noticed that tanks explode after every time you talk”.

Victor “Yes Svetta Their excitement of me being here is too much for them “ (visual to 5rd exploding tank in background)

Svetta “Oh Victor, you are ugly man”.

Victor Nods (visual to 6rd exploding tank in background)

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/sanctions-force-russia-produce-popular-car-safety-features-even-kremli-rcna32863

Link

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘Russian missiles have hit Ukraine’s southern port of Odesa, the Ukrainian military says, threatening a deal signed just a day earlier to unblock grain exports from Black Sea ports and ease a global food shortage caused by the war.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said the strike showed Moscow could not be trusted to implement the deal.’

I noted on the news.

America has succeeded in bankrupting the Ukraine.

The Ukraine can no longer keep up with repayments for the many billions of dollars of weapons that America has sent it.

Bloody USA.

mollwollfumble said:

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘Russian missiles have hit Ukraine’s southern port of Odesa, the Ukrainian military says, threatening a deal signed just a day earlier to unblock grain exports from Black Sea ports and ease a global food shortage caused by the war.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said the strike showed Moscow could not be trusted to implement the deal.’

I noted on the news.

America has succeeded in bankrupting the Ukraine.

The Ukraine can no longer keep up with repayments for the many billions of dollars of weapons that America has sent it.

Bloody USA.

Umm NATO weapons suppliers are not requesting payment of any sort. Other outstanding loans/debt have also been suspended for the time being.

The Russians strike on the port of Odessa was to hit facilities and ships that were bringing in US Harpoon missiles and had nothing to do with grain exports according to the Russians.
That sounds plausible however there’s propaganda flying in all directions.
You choose what every you want to believe.

Peak Warming Man said:

The Russians strike on the port of Odessa was to hit facilities and ships that were bringing in US Harpoon missiles and had nothing to do with grain exports according to the Russians.
That sounds plausible however there’s propaganda flying in all directions.
You choose what every you want to believe.

Why would they try to ship in missiles through a port which is within bombardment range, and which is on a coastline off which the Russian navy has almost total control of the sea so as to let them have free rein to interdict shipments of anything?

Especially when there’s a nice long land border with NATO-member Poland and a sophisticated land transport system through Europe which the Russians can’t touch?

Remember when MH-17 was shot down, and pro-Russian Donetsk commander Nikolay Kozitsin came up with the oh-so-plausible ‘Well then, it was bringing spies. They shouldn’t be fucking flying. There is a war going on.’ (Note that it was a ‘war’ back then in eastern Ukraine. Now it’s a ‘special military operation’.)

Witty Rejoinder said:

mollwollfumble said:

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘Russian missiles have hit Ukraine’s southern port of Odesa, the Ukrainian military says, threatening a deal signed just a day earlier to unblock grain exports from Black Sea ports and ease a global food shortage caused by the war.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said the strike showed Moscow could not be trusted to implement the deal.’

I noted on the news.

America has succeeded in bankrupting the Ukraine.

The Ukraine can no longer keep up with repayments for the many billions of dollars of weapons that America has sent it.

Bloody USA.

Umm NATO weapons suppliers are not requesting payment of any sort. Other outstanding loans/debt have also been suspended for the time being.

Yes I thought all weapons were given or loaned not sold

captain_spalding said:

Peak Warming Man said:

The Russians strike on the port of Odessa was to hit facilities and ships that were bringing in US Harpoon missiles and had nothing to do with grain exports according to the Russians.
That sounds plausible however there’s propaganda flying in all directions.
You choose what every you want to believe.

Why would they try to ship in missiles through a port which is within bombardment range, and which is on a coastline off which the Russian navy has almost total control of the sea so as to let them have free rein to interdict shipments of anything?

Especially when there’s a nice long land border with NATO-member Poland and a sophisticated land transport system through Europe which the Russians can’t touch?

Remember when MH-17 was shot down, and pro-Russian Donetsk commander Nikolay Kozitsin came up with the oh-so-plausible ‘Well then, it was bringing spies. They shouldn’t be fucking flying. There is a war going on.’ (Note that it was a ‘war’ back then in eastern Ukraine. Now it’s a ‘special military operation’.)

You’d think so and they only be a valid target once they crossed the border into Ukraine

Cymek said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

mollwollfumble said:

I noted on the news.

America has succeeded in bankrupting the Ukraine.

The Ukraine can no longer keep up with repayments for the many billions of dollars of weapons that America has sent it.

Bloody USA.

Umm NATO weapons suppliers are not requesting payment of any sort. Other outstanding loans/debt have also been suspended for the time being.

Yes I thought all weapons were given or loaned not sold

Loaned?

OK… Here’s a hundred cruise missiles on loan. Please return them after use.

Cymek said:

You’d think so and they only be a valid target once they crossed the border into Ukraine

And what nationality/registry were these ships that were supposedly transporting the missiles?

The Russians would have to be very careful about attacking third-party ships or risk escalating the conflict.

The Americans had trouble in the Vietnam war, when they were bound to not make any attacks on Haiphong harbour while third-party ships were alongside. So, the North Vietnamese made every effort to ensure that there was always one such ship there. With British-registered ships being quite frequent visitors.

Woodie said:

Cymek said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Umm NATO weapons suppliers are not requesting payment of any sort. Other outstanding loans/debt have also been suspended for the time being.

Yes I thought all weapons were given or loaned not sold

Loaned?

OK… Here’s a hundred cruise missiles on loan. Please return them after use.

Well not the missiles obviously but assuming vehicles survive they might return them when all is done

Woodie said:

Cymek said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Umm NATO weapons suppliers are not requesting payment of any sort. Other outstanding loans/debt have also been suspended for the time being.

Yes I thought all weapons were given or loaned not sold

Loaned?

OK… Here’s a hundred cruise missiles on loan. Please return them after use.

An awful lot of ammunition was supplied by America to allies in WW2 (including Australia) under Lend-Lease.

They didn’t really expect to get it all back.

Witty Rejoinder said:

mollwollfumble said:

I noted on the news.

America has succeeded in bankrupting the Ukraine.

The Ukraine can no longer keep up with repayments for the many billions of dollars of weapons that America has sent it.

Bloody USA.

Umm NATO weapons suppliers are not requesting payment of any sort. Other outstanding loans/debt have also been suspended for the time being.

> NATO weapons suppliers are not requesting payment of any sort

Perhaps NATO suppliers other than the USA. The USA doesn’t even give its charity away for free.

> outstanding loans/debt have also been suspended for the time being.

In response to the Ukraine being unable to pay them.

mollwollfumble said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

mollwollfumble said:

I noted on the news.

America has succeeded in bankrupting the Ukraine.

The Ukraine can no longer keep up with repayments for the many billions of dollars of weapons that America has sent it.

Bloody USA.

Umm NATO weapons suppliers are not requesting payment of any sort. Other outstanding loans/debt have also been suspended for the time being.

> NATO weapons suppliers are not requesting payment of any sort

Perhaps NATO suppliers other than the USA. The USA doesn’t even give its charity away for free.

> outstanding loans/debt have also been suspended for the time being.

In response to the Ukraine being unable to pay them.

I suppose the USA gets its war with Russian by proxy which may be payment enough

mollwollfumble said:

Perhaps NATO suppliers other than the USA. The USA doesn’t even give its charity away for free.

No once again you are indulging in your stupidy based on your nonsensical preconcieved notions and knee jerk anti-Americanism.

Peak Warming Man said:

The Russians strike on the port of Odessa was to hit facilities and ships that were bringing in US Harpoon missiles and had nothing to do with grain exports according to the Russians.
That sounds plausible however there’s propaganda flying in all directions.
You choose what every you want to believe.

what you can assume fairly safely is that if they intended to put the port out of action they would have, and it may have been a reminder they could have

transition said:

Peak Warming Man said:

The Russians strike on the port of Odessa was to hit facilities and ships that were bringing in US Harpoon missiles and had nothing to do with grain exports according to the Russians.
That sounds plausible however there’s propaganda flying in all directions.
You choose what every you want to believe.

what you can assume fairly safely is that if they intended to put the port out of action they would have, and it may have been a reminder they could have

The whole point of the agreement was that he would not do this. So that grain can be exported to countries in the middle east and Africa that rely upon imported grain. The UN are saying something like 50 million facing famine if they can’t access grain. It is not about Ukraine or Russia, it is about the knock-on effect of famine in parts of the world not otherwise directly connected to the war. It is quite hard-core cunterry really. There is no propaganda that can whitewash it.

party_pants said:

transition said:

Peak Warming Man said:

The Russians strike on the port of Odessa was to hit facilities and ships that were bringing in US Harpoon missiles and had nothing to do with grain exports according to the Russians.
That sounds plausible however there’s propaganda flying in all directions.
You choose what every you want to believe.

what you can assume fairly safely is that if they intended to put the port out of action they would have, and it may have been a reminder they could have

The whole point of the agreement was that he would not do this. So that grain can be exported to countries in the middle east and Africa that rely upon imported grain. The UN are saying something like 50 million facing famine if they can’t access grain. It is not about Ukraine or Russia, it is about the knock-on effect of famine in parts of the world not otherwise directly connected to the war. It is quite hard-core cunterry really. There is no propaganda that can whitewash it.

Putin’s lot going to be interested in what air defense operating over the port area, they probably tested the space to see what lit up, plenty might be got from that exercise