After a lengthy denunciation of countries that he claims want to weaken the Russian state with “reckless and insane” sanctions, President Putin used the stage at the St Petersburg International Economic Forum to lambaste the United States.

“ declared victory in the Cold War and later came to think of themselves as God’s own messengers on planet Earth,” he said.

In his 73-minute speech, he also said Russia was taking its place in a New World Order in which rules would be set by “strong and sovereign states”.

Mr Putin also vehemently defended his country’s actions in Ukraine, as Russia has contended that its neighbour posed a threat due its desire to join the NATO military alliance.

“In the current situation, against a backdrop of soaring risks and threats, Russia’s decision to conduct a special military operation was a forced one,” the Russian leader said, using his administration’s preferred term for its ongoing invasion of Ukraine.

“It was very hard to make it, but it was forced and necessary. It was a decision by a sovereign country that has an unconditional right, based on the UN Charter, to defend its security.”

Despite a protracted military operation and mounting with casualties after more than 16 weeks of fighting, Mr Putin predicted Russia would ultimately be successful in Ukraine.

“All of the special military operation’s objectives will definitely be attained,” he said.

“This is predetermined by the courage and heroism of our warriors, the consolidation of Russian society, whose support gives strength and confidence to Russia’s army and navy, the profound understanding of the rightness and historic justice of our cause.”

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A man examines the roof of a hospital damaged during shelling in Donetsk.(AP)

It is more of the same old lies from an increasingly senile old git.

The new world order was supposed to be globalisation and a rules based international system where every country has the same rights. Th conduct trade with whomever they please, and have unimpeded access to the oceans with freedom of navigation and all that. It was a supposed to be a world where the strong did not (overly) exploit the weak.

What is happening is that Russia (and to a lesser extent China) are seeking a path back to the bad old days, but finding themselves excluded from the world order. The world order is now splitting up into free and democratic nations having one trade and economic system, and non-participant authoritarian regimes having to make do as best they can.

He is damn right about the free world wanting to weaken and destroy Russia. But they deserve it.

party_pants said:

It is more of the same old lies from an increasingly senile old git.

The new world order was supposed to be globalisation and a rules based international system where every country has the same rights. Th conduct trade with whomever they please, and have unimpeded access to the oceans with freedom of navigation and all that. It was a supposed to be a world where the strong did not (overly) exploit the weak.

What is happening is that Russia (and to a lesser extent China) are seeking a path back to the bad old days, but finding themselves excluded from the world order. The world order is now splitting up into free and democratic nations having one trade and economic system, and non-participant authoritarian regimes having to make do as best they can.

He is damn right about the free world wanting to weaken and destroy Russia. But they deserve it.

For sure.

party_pants said:

He is damn right about the free world wanting to weaken and destroy Russia. But they deserve it.

Yep.

Next on the list: China.

There’s nothing wrong with Putin that couldn’t be solved by an RPG to the head.

party_pants said:

It is more of the same old lies from an increasingly senile old git.

The new world order was supposed to be globalisation and a rules based international system where every country has the same rights. Th conduct trade with whomever they please, and have unimpeded access to the oceans with freedom of navigation and all that. It was a supposed to be a world where the strong did not (overly) exploit the weak.

What is happening is that Russia (and to a lesser extent China) are seeking a path back to the bad old days, but finding themselves excluded from the world order. The world order is now splitting up into free and democratic nations having one trade and economic system, and non-participant authoritarian regimes having to make do as best they can.

He is damn right about the free world wanting to weaken and destroy Russia. But they deserve it.

>…..nations having one trade and economic system, and non-participant authoritarian regimes having to make do as best they can….

would they be properly nations (plural), independent nations, if they all had one trade and economic system

transition said:

party_pants said:

It is more of the same old lies from an increasingly senile old git.

The new world order was supposed to be globalisation and a rules based international system where every country has the same rights. Th conduct trade with whomever they please, and have unimpeded access to the oceans with freedom of navigation and all that. It was a supposed to be a world where the strong did not (overly) exploit the weak.

What is happening is that Russia (and to a lesser extent China) are seeking a path back to the bad old days, but finding themselves excluded from the world order. The world order is now splitting up into free and democratic nations having one trade and economic system, and non-participant authoritarian regimes having to make do as best they can.

He is damn right about the free world wanting to weaken and destroy Russia. But they deserve it.

>…..nations having one trade and economic system, and non-participant authoritarian regimes having to make do as best they can….

would they be properly nations (plural), independent nations, if they all had one trade and economic system

No. It is valid to talk about multiple nations sharing a common system.

party_pants said:

transition said:

party_pants said:

It is more of the same old lies from an increasingly senile old git.

The new world order was supposed to be globalisation and a rules based international system where every country has the same rights. Th conduct trade with whomever they please, and have unimpeded access to the oceans with freedom of navigation and all that. It was a supposed to be a world where the strong did not (overly) exploit the weak.

What is happening is that Russia (and to a lesser extent China) are seeking a path back to the bad old days, but finding themselves excluded from the world order. The world order is now splitting up into free and democratic nations having one trade and economic system, and non-participant authoritarian regimes having to make do as best they can.

He is damn right about the free world wanting to weaken and destroy Russia. But they deserve it.

>…..nations having one trade and economic system, and non-participant authoritarian regimes having to make do as best they can….

would they be properly nations (plural), independent nations, if they all had one trade and economic system

No. It is valid to talk about multiple nations sharing a common system.

We already do share the air the water the microplastics, the oil pollution the climate change… and etc.

party_pants said:

transition said:

party_pants said:

It is more of the same old lies from an increasingly senile old git.

The new world order was supposed to be globalisation and a rules based international system where every country has the same rights. Th conduct trade with whomever they please, and have unimpeded access to the oceans with freedom of navigation and all that. It was a supposed to be a world where the strong did not (overly) exploit the weak.

What is happening is that Russia (and to a lesser extent China) are seeking a path back to the bad old days, but finding themselves excluded from the world order. The world order is now splitting up into free and democratic nations having one trade and economic system, and non-participant authoritarian regimes having to make do as best they can.

He is damn right about the free world wanting to weaken and destroy Russia. But they deserve it.

>…..nations having one trade and economic system, and non-participant authoritarian regimes having to make do as best they can….

would they be properly nations (plural), independent nations, if they all had one trade and economic system

No. It is valid to talk about multiple nations sharing a common system.

sounds about right, more your writly brevity

there is though this thing, the force of capitalism in the west, ideological influence of, with a powerful facade of democracy and liberty, its what I see the us through, it’s my view of the world, it has incorporated me and I it, there’s an assumption of benignness, innocuousness, operates at the level of mental state, orientation, perspective, world view, I have it, and I know it’s substantially a Lie

where are the loyalties got in the context of global capitalism, or does the wealth just wander, threaten to go wherever, does it really have any loyalty to a geographic area, an area a government needs administer

transition said:

party_pants said:

It is more of the same old lies from an increasingly senile old git.

The new world order was supposed to be globalisation and a rules based international system where every country has the same rights. Th conduct trade with whomever they please, and have unimpeded access to the oceans with freedom of navigation and all that. It was a supposed to be a world where the strong did not (overly) exploit the weak.

What is happening is that Russia (and to a lesser extent China) are seeking a path back to the bad old days, but finding themselves excluded from the world order. The world order is now splitting up into free and democratic nations having one trade and economic system, and non-participant authoritarian regimes having to make do as best they can.

He is damn right about the free world wanting to weaken and destroy Russia. But they deserve it.

>…..nations having one trade and economic system, and non-participant authoritarian regimes having to make do as best they can….

would they be properly nations (plural), independent nations, if they all had one trade and economic system

Is Russia completely fucked yet? You know, stock market crashed, The “R” word in every 2nd sentence, paying a fortune for electricity, gas and petrol, How much is an iceberg lettuce in Moscow?

Or are they just still having to do without Maccas and a cuppla oligarchs yachts?

transition said:

party_pants said:

transition said:

>…..nations having one trade and economic system, and non-participant authoritarian regimes having to make do as best they can….

would they be properly nations (plural), independent nations, if they all had one trade and economic system

No. It is valid to talk about multiple nations sharing a common system.

sounds about right, more your writly brevity

there is though this thing, the force of capitalism in the west, ideological influence of, with a powerful facade of democracy and liberty, its what I see the us through, it’s my view of the world, it has incorporated me and I it, there’s an assumption of benignness, innocuousness, operates at the level of mental state, orientation, perspective, world view, I have it, and I know it’s substantially a Lie

where are the loyalties got in the context of global capitalism, or does the wealth just wander, threaten to go wherever, does it really have any loyalty to a geographic area, an area a government needs administer

i’m sensing a gradualism about the west, a convergent gradualism, it has it’s roots in faith about the organic nature of self-regulating systems, but be sure that doesn’t for certain render it transparent about how it works, there’s probably more bullshit required to make it work and keep it working

and the gradualism and presumption of benignness are related, they operate together, which if it wasn’t so blinding a person might have the idea it’s strategic, a device, an ideological device

roughbarked said:

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A man examines the roof of a hospital damaged during shelling in Donetsk.(AP)

The nazis are taking punitive action against the russians that live in the east by shelling the cities

So far Russia has taken action against the UA – they figure that pumping shells into cities is a waste of time, the real purpose is to destroy the UA not infrastructure.

wookiemeister said:

roughbarked said:

^ link

A man examines the roof of a hospital damaged during shelling in Donetsk.(AP)

The nazis are taking punitive action against the russians that live in the east by shelling the cities

So far Russia has taken action against the UA – they figure that pumping shells into cities is a waste of time, the real purpose is to destroy the UA not infrastructure.

You’re confused as usual – it’s the Russians who are the Nazis.

And the Russians have poured vast numbers of shells, bombs and missiles into civilian areas.

But wookie can be relied on to back the bad guys in any conflict.

wookie: Those poor peaceful Daleks never stood a chance against the vile humans and their quest for galactic domination

Bubblecar said:

wookiemeister said:

roughbarked said:

^ link

A man examines the roof of a hospital damaged during shelling in Donetsk.(AP)

The nazis are taking punitive action against the russians that live in the east by shelling the cities

So far Russia has taken action against the UA – they figure that pumping shells into cities is a waste of time, the real purpose is to destroy the UA not infrastructure.

You’re confused as usual – it’s the Russians who are the Nazis.

And the Russians have poured vast numbers of shells, bombs and missiles into civilian areas.

But wookie can be relied on to back the bad guys in any conflict.

The mainstream used to complain the nazis in ukraine

I always used to wonder how people could have been so blind. America’s problem is that the waves of immigration from Russia included people that hated imperial Russia, once the descendants of those waves of people got into power they turned the might of America against Russia. Centuries old hate for a country that no longer exists.

Like it or not I’m afraid we will going to grin and bear it – stop provoking large super powers , we dodged a bullet by getting rid of scomo, I don’t see Labor committing to a war on China.

wookiemeister said:

Bubblecar said:

wookiemeister said:

The nazis are taking punitive action against the russians that live in the east by shelling the cities

So far Russia has taken action against the UA – they figure that pumping shells into cities is a waste of time, the real purpose is to destroy the UA not infrastructure.

You’re confused as usual – it’s the Russians who are the Nazis.

And the Russians have poured vast numbers of shells, bombs and missiles into civilian areas.

But wookie can be relied on to back the bad guys in any conflict.

The mainstream used to complain the nazis in ukraine

I always used to wonder how people could have been so blind. America’s problem is that the waves of immigration from Russia included people that hated imperial Russia, once the descendants of those waves of people got into power they turned the might of America against Russia. Centuries old hate for a country that no longer exists.

Like it or not I’m afraid we will going to grin and bear it – stop provoking large super powers , we dodged a bullet by getting rid of scomo, I don’t see Labor committing to a war on China.

Russia isn’t a large superpower. It’s a mouldy stagnant state with a stinking old fascist in charge, intent on going out with a bang.

Bubblecar said:

wookiemeister said:

Bubblecar said:

You’re confused as usual – it’s the Russians who are the Nazis.

And the Russians have poured vast numbers of shells, bombs and missiles into civilian areas.

But wookie can be relied on to back the bad guys in any conflict.

The mainstream used to complain the nazis in ukraine

I always used to wonder how people could have been so blind. America’s problem is that the waves of immigration from Russia included people that hated imperial Russia, once the descendants of those waves of people got into power they turned the might of America against Russia. Centuries old hate for a country that no longer exists.

Like it or not I’m afraid we will going to grin and bear it – stop provoking large super powers , we dodged a bullet by getting rid of scomo, I don’t see Labor committing to a war on China.

Russia isn’t a large superpower. It’s a mouldy stagnant state with a stinking old fascist in charge, intent on going out with a bang.

Never underestimate your opponent.

Woodie said:

transition said:

party_pants said:

It is more of the same old lies from an increasingly senile old git.

The new world order was supposed to be globalisation and a rules based international system where every country has the same rights. Th conduct trade with whomever they please, and have unimpeded access to the oceans with freedom of navigation and all that. It was a supposed to be a world where the strong did not (overly) exploit the weak.

What is happening is that Russia (and to a lesser extent China) are seeking a path back to the bad old days, but finding themselves excluded from the world order. The world order is now splitting up into free and democratic nations having one trade and economic system, and non-participant authoritarian regimes having to make do as best they can.

He is damn right about the free world wanting to weaken and destroy Russia. But they deserve it.

>…..nations having one trade and economic system, and non-participant authoritarian regimes having to make do as best they can….

would they be properly nations (plural), independent nations, if they all had one trade and economic system

Is Russia completely fucked yet? You know, stock market crashed, The “R” word in every 2nd sentence, paying a fortune for electricity, gas and petrol, How much is an iceberg lettuce in Moscow?

Or are they just still having to do without Maccas and a cuppla oligarchs yachts?

It is being reported that Russia’s military-industrial sector is entirely reliant upon imports from the west for microchips and advanced machine tools and so on. The sanctions in this area is having a significant impact upon their ability to make up on their losses with newly produced weapon and vehicles of war. They are having to resort to taking obsolete weapons out of storage and sending poorly trained new recruits into the conflict zone. Meanwhile Ukraine is getting more and more of the west’s high tech, high precision weapons, on an almost endless line of credit. Sanction are bever going to be a short term thing, but take time to bite.

PermeateFree said:

Bubblecar said:

wookiemeister said:

The mainstream used to complain the nazis in ukraine

I always used to wonder how people could have been so blind. America’s problem is that the waves of immigration from Russia included people that hated imperial Russia, once the descendants of those waves of people got into power they turned the might of America against Russia. Centuries old hate for a country that no longer exists.

Like it or not I’m afraid we will going to grin and bear it – stop provoking large super powers , we dodged a bullet by getting rid of scomo, I don’t see Labor committing to a war on China.

Russia isn’t a large superpower. It’s a mouldy stagnant state with a stinking old fascist in charge, intent on going out with a bang.

Never underestimate your opponent.

I don’t underestimate Putin’s willingness to kill vast numbers of people (including his own), to get his name up there in history with his heroes, Hitler and Stalin.

PermeateFree said:

Bubblecar said:

wookiemeister said:

The mainstream used to complain the nazis in ukraine

I always used to wonder how people could have been so blind. America’s problem is that the waves of immigration from Russia included people that hated imperial Russia, once the descendants of those waves of people got into power they turned the might of America against Russia. Centuries old hate for a country that no longer exists.

Like it or not I’m afraid we will going to grin and bear it – stop provoking large super powers , we dodged a bullet by getting rid of scomo, I don’t see Labor committing to a war on China.

Russia isn’t a large superpower. It’s a mouldy stagnant state with a stinking old fascist in charge, intent on going out with a bang.

Never underestimate your opponent.

we are not

party_pants said:

PermeateFree said:

Bubblecar said:

Russia isn’t a large superpower. It’s a mouldy stagnant state with a stinking old fascist in charge, intent on going out with a bang.

Never underestimate your opponent.

we are not

I surrender to the armchair experts then.

Heretical as this might sound , we aren’t going to be around much longer, the waves of immigration will bring new electoral boundaries and ministers. The concerns of the backwater third world, china, India will take priority. We’ll be eradicated , the smart ones will leave before people can’t. My guesses is Australia will become a province, the flag will be changed for the glorious new Republic.

The aboriginals will be kicked out west – no more handouts for cultural reasons ( no one will care). Many will die, no more modern medicine. A new civilisation will arise , stripping the land for all its worth, then one day a great calamity will befall this Republic and the bulldozers, scrapers, diggers and giant excavators will fall silent like the great housing estates that cover the landscape. The concrete ploughed by tree roots, water seeping into the fissures eating it away like a bug on a leaf.

A man looking to the ocean 20,000 years later sees ships on the horizon from the rising sun. These sea people will ask of our past and we will tell them of a time of wonders and show them the stones of our ancestors.

party_pants said:

Woodie said:

transition said:

>…..nations having one trade and economic system, and non-participant authoritarian regimes having to make do as best they can….

would they be properly nations (plural), independent nations, if they all had one trade and economic system

Is Russia completely fucked yet? You know, stock market crashed, The “R” word in every 2nd sentence, paying a fortune for electricity, gas and petrol, How much is an iceberg lettuce in Moscow?

Or are they just still having to do without Maccas and a cuppla oligarchs yachts?

It is being reported that Russia’s military-industrial sector is entirely reliant upon imports from the west for microchips and advanced machine tools and so on. The sanctions in this area is having a significant impact upon their ability to make up on their losses with newly produced weapon and vehicles of war. They are having to resort to taking obsolete weapons out of storage and sending poorly trained new recruits into the conflict zone. Meanwhile Ukraine is getting more and more of the west’s high tech, high precision weapons, on an almost endless line of credit. Sanction are bever going to be a short term thing, but take time to bite.

Figures, Mr Panty Parts. Figures. I want the numbers. Economic indicators. Quarterly GDP, inflation, unemployment, official interest rates, balance of trade, both seasonally adjusted and underlying. Before and after…….. Not just “It is being reported”.

So….. are they fucked like we are or not?

Woodie said:

party_pants said:

Woodie said:

Is Russia completely fucked yet? You know, stock market crashed, The “R” word in every 2nd sentence, paying a fortune for electricity, gas and petrol, How much is an iceberg lettuce in Moscow?

Or are they just still having to do without Maccas and a cuppla oligarchs yachts?

It is being reported that Russia’s military-industrial sector is entirely reliant upon imports from the west for microchips and advanced machine tools and so on. The sanctions in this area is having a significant impact upon their ability to make up on their losses with newly produced weapon and vehicles of war. They are having to resort to taking obsolete weapons out of storage and sending poorly trained new recruits into the conflict zone. Meanwhile Ukraine is getting more and more of the west’s high tech, high precision weapons, on an almost endless line of credit. Sanction are bever going to be a short term thing, but take time to bite.

Figures, Mr Panty Parts. Figures. I want the numbers. Economic indicators. Quarterly GDP, inflation, unemployment, official interest rates, balance of trade, both seasonally adjusted and underlying. Before and after…….. Not just “It is being reported”.

So….. are they fucked like we are or not?

Russia will win the war, they hold all the cards

New Russia : the restoration
2007 to present
Founder : putin

wookiemeister said:

Heretical as this might sound , we aren’t going to be around much longer, the waves of immigration will bring new electoral boundaries and ministers. The concerns of the backwater third world, china, India will take priority. We’ll be eradicated , the smart ones will leave before people can’t. My guesses is Australia will become a province, the flag will be changed for the glorious new Republic.

The aboriginals will be kicked out west – no more handouts for cultural reasons ( no one will care). Many will die, no more modern medicine. A new civilisation will arise , stripping the land for all its worth, then one day a great calamity will befall this Republic and the bulldozers, scrapers, diggers and giant excavators will fall silent like the great housing estates that cover the landscape. The concrete ploughed by tree roots, water seeping into the fissures eating it away like a bug on a leaf.

A man looking to the ocean 20,000 years later sees ships on the horizon from the rising sun. These sea people will ask of our past and we will tell them of a time of wonders and show them the stones of our ancestors.

I would be interested to know if global warming will play any part in this future scenario?

Woodie said:

party_pants said:

Woodie said:

Is Russia completely fucked yet? You know, stock market crashed, The “R” word in every 2nd sentence, paying a fortune for electricity, gas and petrol, How much is an iceberg lettuce in Moscow?

Or are they just still having to do without Maccas and a cuppla oligarchs yachts?

It is being reported that Russia’s military-industrial sector is entirely reliant upon imports from the west for microchips and advanced machine tools and so on. The sanctions in this area is having a significant impact upon their ability to make up on their losses with newly produced weapon and vehicles of war. They are having to resort to taking obsolete weapons out of storage and sending poorly trained new recruits into the conflict zone. Meanwhile Ukraine is getting more and more of the west’s high tech, high precision weapons, on an almost endless line of credit. Sanction are bever going to be a short term thing, but take time to bite.

Figures, Mr Panty Parts. Figures. I want the numbers. Economic indicators. Quarterly GDP, inflation, unemployment, official interest rates, balance of trade, both seasonally adjusted and underlying. Before and after…….. Not just “It is being reported”.

So….. are they fucked like we are or not?

They are more fucked than we are.

PermeateFree said:

wookiemeister said:

Heretical as this might sound , we aren’t going to be around much longer, the waves of immigration will bring new electoral boundaries and ministers. The concerns of the backwater third world, china, India will take priority. We’ll be eradicated , the smart ones will leave before people can’t. My guesses is Australia will become a province, the flag will be changed for the glorious new Republic.

The aboriginals will be kicked out west – no more handouts for cultural reasons ( no one will care). Many will die, no more modern medicine. A new civilisation will arise , stripping the land for all its worth, then one day a great calamity will befall this Republic and the bulldozers, scrapers, diggers and giant excavators will fall silent like the great housing estates that cover the landscape. The concrete ploughed by tree roots, water seeping into the fissures eating it away like a bug on a leaf.

A man looking to the ocean 20,000 years later sees ships on the horizon from the rising sun. These sea people will ask of our past and we will tell them of a time of wonders and show them the stones of our ancestors.

I would be interested to know if global warming will play any part in this future scenario?

War, death, pestilence, famine

The yanks are right now working on a project to try and spread a disease amongst the russian wheat fields to weaken the Russian economy ( you can’t eat oil). I’m unsure of the delivery of this disease I’m feeling it’s a fungus (?) but the mode of delivery hasn’t been decided. They want to spread it amongst the fields this year but they might wait till next year ( it hasn’t been decided yet – there’s the possibility of retaliation if the russians find out).

I had a dream years ago that there was a plan to whack putin – a very, very fine sharp needle that he wouldn’t feel would be jabbed into him. This in turn would set something off in his body.

wookiemeister said:

PermeateFree said:

wookiemeister said:

Heretical as this might sound , we aren’t going to be around much longer, the waves of immigration will bring new electoral boundaries and ministers. The concerns of the backwater third world, china, India will take priority. We’ll be eradicated , the smart ones will leave before people can’t. My guesses is Australia will become a province, the flag will be changed for the glorious new Republic.

The aboriginals will be kicked out west – no more handouts for cultural reasons ( no one will care). Many will die, no more modern medicine. A new civilisation will arise , stripping the land for all its worth, then one day a great calamity will befall this Republic and the bulldozers, scrapers, diggers and giant excavators will fall silent like the great housing estates that cover the landscape. The concrete ploughed by tree roots, water seeping into the fissures eating it away like a bug on a leaf.

A man looking to the ocean 20,000 years later sees ships on the horizon from the rising sun. These sea people will ask of our past and we will tell them of a time of wonders and show them the stones of our ancestors.

I would be interested to know if global warming will play any part in this future scenario?

War, death, pestilence, famine

The yanks are right now working on a project to try and spread a disease amongst the russian wheat fields to weaken the Russian economy ( you can’t eat oil). I’m unsure of the delivery of this disease I’m feeling it’s a fungus (?) but the mode of delivery hasn’t been decided. They want to spread it amongst the fields this year but they might wait till next year ( it hasn’t been decided yet – there’s the possibility of retaliation if the russians find out).

Ref?

Kingy said:

wookiemeister said:

PermeateFree said:

I would be interested to know if global warming will play any part in this future scenario?

War, death, pestilence, famine

The yanks are right now working on a project to try and spread a disease amongst the russian wheat fields to weaken the Russian economy ( you can’t eat oil). I’m unsure of the delivery of this disease I’m feeling it’s a fungus (?) but the mode of delivery hasn’t been decided. They want to spread it amongst the fields this year but they might wait till next year ( it hasn’t been decided yet – there’s the possibility of retaliation if the russians find out).

Ref?

I just know these things

Kingy said:

wookiemeister said:

PermeateFree said:

I would be interested to know if global warming will play any part in this future scenario?

War, death, pestilence, famine

The yanks are right now working on a project to try and spread a disease amongst the russian wheat fields to weaken the Russian economy ( you can’t eat oil). I’m unsure of the delivery of this disease I’m feeling it’s a fungus (?) but the mode of delivery hasn’t been decided. They want to spread it amongst the fields this year but they might wait till next year ( it hasn’t been decided yet – there’s the possibility of retaliation if the russians find out).

Ref?

I hope the ruskies don’t read this forum.

wookiemeister said:

War, death, pestilence, famine

The yanks are right now working on a project to try and spread a disease amongst the russian wheat fields to weaken the Russian economy ( you can’t eat oil). I’m unsure of the delivery of this disease I’m feeling it’s a fungus (?) but the mode of delivery hasn’t been decided. They want to spread it amongst the fields this year but they might wait till next year ( it hasn’t been decided yet – there’s the possibility of retaliation if the russians find out).

They’ll be knockin’ on your door now, Mr Meister. Just like they did with Julian Assange. Publishing state secrets on the internet like that..

Nice knowin’ ya!! Do you know anyone at the Ecuadorian embassy in London? I’d be giving them a call to see if they’ve got a spare room if I was you, hey what but.

ChrispenEvan said:

Kingy said:

wookiemeister said:

War, death, pestilence, famine

The yanks are right now working on a project to try and spread a disease amongst the russian wheat fields to weaken the Russian economy ( you can’t eat oil). I’m unsure of the delivery of this disease I’m feeling it’s a fungus (?) but the mode of delivery hasn’t been decided. They want to spread it amongst the fields this year but they might wait till next year ( it hasn’t been decided yet – there’s the possibility of retaliation if the russians find out).

Ref?

I hope the ruskies don’t read this forum.

I can warn them I suppose

They probably already know

Woodie said:

wookiemeister said:

War, death, pestilence, famine

The yanks are right now working on a project to try and spread a disease amongst the russian wheat fields to weaken the Russian economy ( you can’t eat oil). I’m unsure of the delivery of this disease I’m feeling it’s a fungus (?) but the mode of delivery hasn’t been decided. They want to spread it amongst the fields this year but they might wait till next year ( it hasn’t been decided yet – there’s the possibility of retaliation if the russians find out).

They’ll be knockin’ on your door now, Mr Meister. Just like they did with Julian Assange. Publishing state secrets on the internet like that..

Nice knowin’ ya!! Do you know anyone at the Ecuadorian embassy in London? I’d be giving them a call to see if they’ve got a spare room if I was you, hey what but.

I’ll look out for the black helicopters

Woodie said:

party_pants said:

Woodie said:

Is Russia completely fucked yet? You know, stock market crashed, The “R” word in every 2nd sentence, paying a fortune for electricity, gas and petrol, How much is an iceberg lettuce in Moscow?

Or are they just still having to do without Maccas and a cuppla oligarchs yachts?

It is being reported that Russia’s military-industrial sector is entirely reliant upon imports from the west for microchips and advanced machine tools and so on. The sanctions in this area is having a significant impact upon their ability to make up on their losses with newly produced weapon and vehicles of war. They are having to resort to taking obsolete weapons out of storage and sending poorly trained new recruits into the conflict zone. Meanwhile Ukraine is getting more and more of the west’s high tech, high precision weapons, on an almost endless line of credit. Sanction are bever going to be a short term thing, but take time to bite.

Figures, Mr Panty Parts. Figures. I want the numbers. Economic indicators. Quarterly GDP, inflation, unemployment, official interest rates, balance of trade, both seasonally adjusted and underlying. Before and after…….. Not just “It is being reported”.

So….. are they fucked like we are or not?

Fucked like we are? Australian economy is projected to grow 3% during this year. Russian economy is on track to contract by 10%.

dv said:

Woodie said:

party_pants said:

It is being reported that Russia’s military-industrial sector is entirely reliant upon imports from the west for microchips and advanced machine tools and so on. The sanctions in this area is having a significant impact upon their ability to make up on their losses with newly produced weapon and vehicles of war. They are having to resort to taking obsolete weapons out of storage and sending poorly trained new recruits into the conflict zone. Meanwhile Ukraine is getting more and more of the west’s high tech, high precision weapons, on an almost endless line of credit. Sanction are bever going to be a short term thing, but take time to bite.

Figures, Mr Panty Parts. Figures. I want the numbers. Economic indicators. Quarterly GDP, inflation, unemployment, official interest rates, balance of trade, both seasonally adjusted and underlying. Before and after…….. Not just “It is being reported”.

So….. are they fucked like we are or not?

Fucked like we are? Australian economy is projected to grow 3% during this year. Russian economy is on track to contract by 10%.

wookiemeister said:

Kingy said:

wookiemeister said:

War, death, pestilence, famine

The yanks are right now working on a project to try and spread a disease amongst the russian wheat fields to weaken the Russian economy ( you can’t eat oil). I’m unsure of the delivery of this disease I’m feeling it’s a fungus (?) but the mode of delivery hasn’t been decided. They want to spread it amongst the fields this year but they might wait till next year ( it hasn’t been decided yet – there’s the possibility of retaliation if the russians find out).

Ref?

I just know these things

There is a fungus that lives inside wheat seed and cannot be detected visually. It is however not new, but dates back to ancient Egypt and was associated with the death of the first-born, probably because the first born child would get the best food and if that was in short supply like in a drought, they would probably get most of the grain feed. However, it could kill or make very sick anyone who ate grain as their main sustenance.

As i’ve said here before, one of the great truths about Russia is that it’s never as strong as it seems to be.

Another great truth about it is that it’s never as weak as it might seem to be.

The war in Ukraine is still ‘winnable’ for Russia.

The ‘news’ that’s fed to Russian citizens is that Russia is doing the right thing, for the right reasons, and they seem to be more than happy with that. They seem to think that Ukrainians are getting just what they deserve.

There hasn’t been any major incursions into Russian territory. No major damage to Russian property or citizenry. There’s no Russian refugees fleeing to relatives outside the combat zones, bringing with them tales of reversals and destruction. No great costs incurred on Russian territory. There’s little to counter what the ‘news’ tells Russians.

In a war of attrition, Russia will win. They have thousands of tanks parked in reserve. The tanks may not be state-of-the-art, and may not get well-trained crews, but that’s secondary (in Russian doctrine) to them being numerous on the field.

Feeding men into the front lines to simply outnumber the enemy, no matter the losses? Well, that’s just standard Russian practice.

Russia can feed the meat-grinder for a lot longer than Ukraine could ever do, even with ‘Western’ help. Russia can achieve whatever goals it chooses to define; the only question is the time it takes. The number of dead (on either/both sides) doesn’t even enter into their calculations.

captain_spalding said:

As i’ve said here before, one of the great truths about Russia is that it’s never as strong as it seems to be.

Another great truth about it is that it’s never as weak as it might seem to be.

The war in Ukraine is still ‘winnable’ for Russia.

The ‘news’ that’s fed to Russian citizens is that Russia is doing the right thing, for the right reasons, and they seem to be more than happy with that. They seem to think that Ukrainians are getting just what they deserve.

There hasn’t been any major incursions into Russian territory. No major damage to Russian property or citizenry. There’s no Russian refugees fleeing to relatives outside the combat zones, bringing with them tales of reversals and destruction. No great costs incurred on Russian territory. There’s little to counter what the ‘news’ tells Russians.

In a war of attrition, Russia will win. They have thousands of tanks parked in reserve. The tanks may not be state-of-the-art, and may not get well-trained crews, but that’s secondary (in Russian doctrine) to them being numerous on the field.

Feeding men into the front lines to simply outnumber the enemy, no matter the losses? Well, that’s just standard Russian practice.

Russia can feed the meat-grinder for a lot longer than Ukraine could ever do, even with ‘Western’ help. Russia can achieve whatever goals it chooses to define; the only question is the time it takes. The number of dead (on either/both sides) doesn’t even enter into their calculations.

>The war in Ukraine is still ‘winnable’ for Russia.

they don’t have any choice now, it’s a win or something like russian extinction

>and may not get well-trained crews

I can’t speak from experience, but i’d imagine experience in the field inclines fast learning, battlefield training, the real thing

captain_spalding said:

As i’ve said here before, one of the great truths about Russia is that it’s never as strong as it seems to be.

Another great truth about it is that it’s never as weak as it might seem to be.

The war in Ukraine is still ‘winnable’ for Russia.

The ‘news’ that’s fed to Russian citizens is that Russia is doing the right thing, for the right reasons, and they seem to be more than happy with that. They seem to think that Ukrainians are getting just what they deserve.

There hasn’t been any major incursions into Russian territory. No major damage to Russian property or citizenry. There’s no Russian refugees fleeing to relatives outside the combat zones, bringing with them tales of reversals and destruction. No great costs incurred on Russian territory. There’s little to counter what the ‘news’ tells Russians.

In a war of attrition, Russia will win. They have thousands of tanks parked in reserve. The tanks may not be state-of-the-art, and may not get well-trained crews, but that’s secondary (in Russian doctrine) to them being numerous on the field.

Feeding men into the front lines to simply outnumber the enemy, no matter the losses? Well, that’s just standard Russian practice.

Russia can feed the meat-grinder for a lot longer than Ukraine could ever do, even with ‘Western’ help. Russia can achieve whatever goals it chooses to define; the only question is the time it takes. The number of dead (on either/both sides) doesn’t even enter into their calculations.

Agree with that, plus Putin according to many who know him, would not flinch to use nuclear weapons if he felt it was needed. It is a very dangerous situation of which to treat Putin and Russia with contempt could blow up in your face.

PermeateFree said:

captain_spalding said:

As i’ve said here before, one of the great truths about Russia is that it’s never as strong as it seems to be.

Another great truth about it is that it’s never as weak as it might seem to be.

The war in Ukraine is still ‘winnable’ for Russia.

The ‘news’ that’s fed to Russian citizens is that Russia is doing the right thing, for the right reasons, and they seem to be more than happy with that. They seem to think that Ukrainians are getting just what they deserve.

There hasn’t been any major incursions into Russian territory. No major damage to Russian property or citizenry. There’s no Russian refugees fleeing to relatives outside the combat zones, bringing with them tales of reversals and destruction. No great costs incurred on Russian territory. There’s little to counter what the ‘news’ tells Russians.

In a war of attrition, Russia will win. They have thousands of tanks parked in reserve. The tanks may not be state-of-the-art, and may not get well-trained crews, but that’s secondary (in Russian doctrine) to them being numerous on the field.

Feeding men into the front lines to simply outnumber the enemy, no matter the losses? Well, that’s just standard Russian practice.

Russia can feed the meat-grinder for a lot longer than Ukraine could ever do, even with ‘Western’ help. Russia can achieve whatever goals it chooses to define; the only question is the time it takes. The number of dead (on either/both sides) doesn’t even enter into their calculations.

Agree with that, plus Putin according to many who know him, would not flinch to use nuclear weapons if he felt it was needed. It is a very dangerous situation of which to treat Putin and Russia with contempt could blow up in your face.

But we must treat him with contempt because he will not stop at Ukraine if we aim for appeasement. The next target is reclaiming the Baltic states of Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia. He speech yesterday (which prompted the thread) is laying the groundwork for Russia’s dubious claims for control over this territory, going back to wars fought in the 1720s. We absolutely cannot concede Ukraine to Russia,it will only encourage him to further aggression.

The Baltic states are members of NATO, if he attacks them then it is WW3 whether we want it or not. It will be entirely because of Russian aggression, not single Estonian, Lithuanian or Latvian jeep will ever cross the border into Russian territory. Nor a single NATO soldier.

party_pants said:

PermeateFree said:

captain_spalding said:

As i’ve said here before, one of the great truths about Russia is that it’s never as strong as it seems to be.

Another great truth about it is that it’s never as weak as it might seem to be.

The war in Ukraine is still ‘winnable’ for Russia.

The ‘news’ that’s fed to Russian citizens is that Russia is doing the right thing, for the right reasons, and they seem to be more than happy with that. They seem to think that Ukrainians are getting just what they deserve.

There hasn’t been any major incursions into Russian territory. No major damage to Russian property or citizenry. There’s no Russian refugees fleeing to relatives outside the combat zones, bringing with them tales of reversals and destruction. No great costs incurred on Russian territory. There’s little to counter what the ‘news’ tells Russians.

In a war of attrition, Russia will win. They have thousands of tanks parked in reserve. The tanks may not be state-of-the-art, and may not get well-trained crews, but that’s secondary (in Russian doctrine) to them being numerous on the field.

Feeding men into the front lines to simply outnumber the enemy, no matter the losses? Well, that’s just standard Russian practice.

Russia can feed the meat-grinder for a lot longer than Ukraine could ever do, even with ‘Western’ help. Russia can achieve whatever goals it chooses to define; the only question is the time it takes. The number of dead (on either/both sides) doesn’t even enter into their calculations.

Agree with that, plus Putin according to many who know him, would not flinch to use nuclear weapons if he felt it was needed. It is a very dangerous situation of which to treat Putin and Russia with contempt could blow up in your face.

But we must treat him with contempt because he will not stop at Ukraine if we aim for appeasement. The next target is reclaiming the Baltic states of Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia. He speech yesterday (which prompted the thread) is laying the groundwork for Russia’s dubious claims for control over this territory, going back to wars fought in the 1720s. We absolutely cannot concede Ukraine to Russia,it will only encourage him to further aggression.

The Baltic states are members of NATO, if he attacks them then it is WW3 whether we want it or not. It will be entirely because of Russian aggression, not single Estonian, Lithuanian or Latvian jeep will ever cross the border into Russian territory. Nor a single NATO soldier.

I think the bigger plan is the more, how should I say, two countries want to divide the world in half fairly much, keen to challenge the US hegemony if you will, counter it anyway, a countervailing force call it (sounds toffleresque), and possibly countervailing is a overly positive term, they don’t dissolve their power very willingly, distribute it, dilute it enthusiastically

not greatly inclined to leave the bigger picture to self-organizing tendencies

but it could turn out the west adjusts some of its wanton attributes, where freedom (extremes of liberty) might be more folly, tidy it up some, in response

I mean clearly some cultural aspects (I could be torturing that word, perhaps more anti-culture) of the west are really decadent, it’s evident on the TV all day, every day

party_pants said:

PermeateFree said:

captain_spalding said:

As i’ve said here before, one of the great truths about Russia is that it’s never as strong as it seems to be.

Another great truth about it is that it’s never as weak as it might seem to be.

The war in Ukraine is still ‘winnable’ for Russia.

The ‘news’ that’s fed to Russian citizens is that Russia is doing the right thing, for the right reasons, and they seem to be more than happy with that. They seem to think that Ukrainians are getting just what they deserve.

There hasn’t been any major incursions into Russian territory. No major damage to Russian property or citizenry. There’s no Russian refugees fleeing to relatives outside the combat zones, bringing with them tales of reversals and destruction. No great costs incurred on Russian territory. There’s little to counter what the ‘news’ tells Russians.

In a war of attrition, Russia will win. They have thousands of tanks parked in reserve. The tanks may not be state-of-the-art, and may not get well-trained crews, but that’s secondary (in Russian doctrine) to them being numerous on the field.

Feeding men into the front lines to simply outnumber the enemy, no matter the losses? Well, that’s just standard Russian practice.

Russia can feed the meat-grinder for a lot longer than Ukraine could ever do, even with ‘Western’ help. Russia can achieve whatever goals it chooses to define; the only question is the time it takes. The number of dead (on either/both sides) doesn’t even enter into their calculations.

Agree with that, plus Putin according to many who know him, would not flinch to use nuclear weapons if he felt it was needed. It is a very dangerous situation of which to treat Putin and Russia with contempt could blow up in your face.

But we must treat him with contempt because he will not stop at Ukraine if we aim for appeasement. The next target is reclaiming the Baltic states of Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia. He speech yesterday (which prompted the thread) is laying the groundwork for Russia’s dubious claims for control over this territory, going back to wars fought in the 1720s. We absolutely cannot concede Ukraine to Russia,it will only encourage him to further aggression.

The Baltic states are members of NATO, if he attacks them then it is WW3 whether we want it or not. It will be entirely because of Russian aggression, not single Estonian, Lithuanian or Latvian jeep will ever cross the border into Russian territory. Nor a single NATO soldier.

Well that makes Putin very dangerous. Don’t know about you, but if I encounter a dangerous animal or situation, I treat it with the greatest of respect.

PermeateFree said:

party_pants said:

PermeateFree said:

Agree with that, plus Putin according to many who know him, would not flinch to use nuclear weapons if he felt it was needed. It is a very dangerous situation of which to treat Putin and Russia with contempt could blow up in your face.

But we must treat him with contempt because he will not stop at Ukraine if we aim for appeasement. The next target is reclaiming the Baltic states of Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia. He speech yesterday (which prompted the thread) is laying the groundwork for Russia’s dubious claims for control over this territory, going back to wars fought in the 1720s. We absolutely cannot concede Ukraine to Russia,it will only encourage him to further aggression.

The Baltic states are members of NATO, if he attacks them then it is WW3 whether we want it or not. It will be entirely because of Russian aggression, not single Estonian, Lithuanian or Latvian jeep will ever cross the border into Russian territory. Nor a single NATO soldier.

Well that makes Putin very dangerous. Don’t know about you, but if I encounter a dangerous animal or situation, I treat it with the greatest of respect.

And that gets you killed…

PermeateFree said:

party_pants said:

PermeateFree said:

Agree with that, plus Putin according to many who know him, would not flinch to use nuclear weapons if he felt it was needed. It is a very dangerous situation of which to treat Putin and Russia with contempt could blow up in your face.

But we must treat him with contempt because he will not stop at Ukraine if we aim for appeasement. The next target is reclaiming the Baltic states of Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia. He speech yesterday (which prompted the thread) is laying the groundwork for Russia’s dubious claims for control over this territory, going back to wars fought in the 1720s. We absolutely cannot concede Ukraine to Russia,it will only encourage him to further aggression.

The Baltic states are members of NATO, if he attacks them then it is WW3 whether we want it or not. It will be entirely because of Russian aggression, not single Estonian, Lithuanian or Latvian jeep will ever cross the border into Russian territory. Nor a single NATO soldier.

Well that makes Putin very dangerous. Don’t know about you, but if I encounter a dangerous animal or situation, I treat it with the greatest of respect.

Of course he is dangerous. My point is that he becomes more dangerous the more try to appease him in order to avoid confrontation. He is another Hitler, in that he has a grand plan that he will attempt to bring to fruition unless he is actively stopped. Avoiding confrontation will be seen as weakness and will only encourage him.

party_pants said:

PermeateFree said:

party_pants said:

But we must treat him with contempt because he will not stop at Ukraine if we aim for appeasement. The next target is reclaiming the Baltic states of Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia. He speech yesterday (which prompted the thread) is laying the groundwork for Russia’s dubious claims for control over this territory, going back to wars fought in the 1720s. We absolutely cannot concede Ukraine to Russia,it will only encourage him to further aggression.

The Baltic states are members of NATO, if he attacks them then it is WW3 whether we want it or not. It will be entirely because of Russian aggression, not single Estonian, Lithuanian or Latvian jeep will ever cross the border into Russian territory. Nor a single NATO soldier.

Well that makes Putin very dangerous. Don’t know about you, but if I encounter a dangerous animal or situation, I treat it with the greatest of respect.

Of course he is dangerous. My point is that he becomes more dangerous the more try to appease him in order to avoid confrontation. He is another Hitler, in that he has a grand plan that he will attempt to bring to fruition unless he is actively stopped. Avoiding confrontation will be seen as weakness and will only encourage him.

party_pants said:

PermeateFree said:

party_pants said:

But we must treat him with contempt because he will not stop at Ukraine if we aim for appeasement. The next target is reclaiming the Baltic states of Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia. He speech yesterday (which prompted the thread) is laying the groundwork for Russia’s dubious claims for control over this territory, going back to wars fought in the 1720s. We absolutely cannot concede Ukraine to Russia,it will only encourage him to further aggression.

The Baltic states are members of NATO, if he attacks them then it is WW3 whether we want it or not. It will be entirely because of Russian aggression, not single Estonian, Lithuanian or Latvian jeep will ever cross the border into Russian territory. Nor a single NATO soldier.

Well that makes Putin very dangerous. Don’t know about you, but if I encounter a dangerous animal or situation, I treat it with the greatest of respect.

Of course he is dangerous. My point is that he becomes more dangerous the more try to appease him in order to avoid confrontation. He is another Hitler, in that he has a grand plan that he will attempt to bring to fruition unless he is actively stopped. Avoiding confrontation will be seen as weakness and will only encourage him.

Respect is not appeasement, nor is it avoiding confrontation. It is considering carefully the advantages AND disadvantages in whatever action is being considered. It is certainly not considering your adversary is a stupid idiot that will be a pushover.

Bubblecar said:

wookiemeister said:

roughbarked said:

^ link

A man examines the roof of a hospital damaged during shelling in Donetsk.(AP)

The nazis are taking punitive action against the russians that live in the east by shelling the cities

So far Russia has taken action against the UA – they figure that pumping shells into cities is a waste of time, the real purpose is to destroy the UA not infrastructure.

You’re confused as usual – it’s the Russians who are the Nazis.

And the Russians have poured vast numbers of shells, bombs and missiles into civilian areas.

But wookie can be relied on to back the bad guys in any conflict.

The question yet to be answered is why Wookie does.

PermeateFree said:

party_pants said:

PermeateFree said:

Well that makes Putin very dangerous. Don’t know about you, but if I encounter a dangerous animal or situation, I treat it with the greatest of respect.

Of course he is dangerous. My point is that he becomes more dangerous the more try to appease him in order to avoid confrontation. He is another Hitler, in that he has a grand plan that he will attempt to bring to fruition unless he is actively stopped. Avoiding confrontation will be seen as weakness and will only encourage him.

Respect is not appeasement, nor is it avoiding confrontation. It is considering carefully the advantages AND disadvantages in whatever action is being considered. It is certainly not considering your adversary is a stupid idiot that will be a pushover.

We must not give respect to any of his lies or pseudo-historical claims to Ukraine or the Baltic nations. He must treat his lies with contempt.

party_pants said:

PermeateFree said:

party_pants said:

Of course he is dangerous. My point is that he becomes more dangerous the more try to appease him in order to avoid confrontation. He is another Hitler, in that he has a grand plan that he will attempt to bring to fruition unless he is actively stopped. Avoiding confrontation will be seen as weakness and will only encourage him.

Respect is not appeasement, nor is it avoiding confrontation. It is considering carefully the advantages AND disadvantages in whatever action is being considered. It is certainly not considering your adversary is a stupid idiot that will be a pushover.

We must not give respect to any of his lies or pseudo-historical claims to Ukraine or the Baltic nations. He must treat his lies with contempt.

We

• fixed *

party_pants said:

PermeateFree said:

party_pants said:

Of course he is dangerous. My point is that he becomes more dangerous the more try to appease him in order to avoid confrontation. He is another Hitler, in that he has a grand plan that he will attempt to bring to fruition unless he is actively stopped. Avoiding confrontation will be seen as weakness and will only encourage him.

Respect is not appeasement, nor is it avoiding confrontation. It is considering carefully the advantages AND disadvantages in whatever action is being considered. It is certainly not considering your adversary is a stupid idiot that will be a pushover.

We must not give respect to any of his lies or pseudo-historical claims to Ukraine or the Baltic nations. He must treat his lies with contempt.

Aye, he deserves not one iota of respect in any shape or form.

He deserves his head blown off with a bazooka.

Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

PermeateFree said:

Respect is not appeasement, nor is it avoiding confrontation. It is considering carefully the advantages AND disadvantages in whatever action is being considered. It is certainly not considering your adversary is a stupid idiot that will be a pushover.

We must not give respect to any of his lies or pseudo-historical claims to Ukraine or the Baltic nations. He must treat his lies with contempt.

Aye, he deserves not one iota of respect in any shape or form.

He deserves his head blown off with a bazooka.

Good job you two are not fighting for Ukraine then as there doesn’t seem to be much constructive thought being exercised. What you two are doing is what Putin did to with his contempt for Ukraine which caused him no end of trouble with lost soldiers/sailors and very expensive and not easily replaced equipment.

roughbarked said:

After a lengthy denunciation of countries that he claims want to weaken the Russian state with “reckless and insane” sanctions, President Putin used the stage at the St Petersburg International Economic Forum to lambaste the United States.

“ declared victory in the Cold War and later came to think of themselves as God’s own messengers on planet Earth,” he said.

In his 73-minute speech, he also said Russia was taking its place in a New World Order in which rules would be set by “strong and sovereign states”.

Mr Putin also vehemently defended his country’s actions in Ukraine, as Russia has contended that its neighbour posed a threat due its desire to join the NATO military alliance.

“In the current situation, against a backdrop of soaring risks and threats, Russia’s decision to conduct a special military operation was a forced one,” the Russian leader said, using his administration’s preferred term for its ongoing invasion of Ukraine.

“It was very hard to make it, but it was forced and necessary. It was a decision by a sovereign country that has an unconditional right, based on the UN Charter, to defend its security.”

Despite a protracted military operation and mounting with casualties after more than 16 weeks of fighting, Mr Putin predicted Russia would ultimately be successful in Ukraine.

“All of the special military operation’s objectives will definitely be attained,” he said.

“This is predetermined by the courage and heroism of our warriors, the consolidation of Russian society, whose support gives strength and confidence to Russia’s army and navy, the profound understanding of the rightness and historic justice of our cause.”

Yeah. American sound bites can ruthlessly alter the tone of a well thought-out speech.

> All of the special military operation’s objectives will definitely be attained

Objectives were to:

• stop nuclear missiles from being deployed in the Ukraine – attained.
• stop genocide against ethnic Russians in the Ukraine – attained.
• arrest Ukrainian war criminals – mostly attained.
• bring peace to the Donblas region – you’ve got to be kidding, uh uh, no way.

PermeateFree said:

wookiemeister said:

Kingy said:

Ref?

I just know these things

There is a fungus that lives inside wheat seed and cannot be detected visually. It is however not new, but dates back to ancient Egypt and was associated with the death of the first-born, probably because the first born child would get the best food and if that was in short supply like in a drought, they would probably get most of the grain feed. However, it could kill or make very sick anyone who ate grain as their main sustenance.

Ergot.

roughbarked said:

PermeateFree said:

wookiemeister said:

I just know these things

There is a fungus that lives inside wheat seed and cannot be detected visually. It is however not new, but dates back to ancient Egypt and was associated with the death of the first-born, probably because the first born child would get the best food and if that was in short supply like in a drought, they would probably get most of the grain feed. However, it could kill or make very sick anyone who ate grain as their main sustenance.

Ergot.

Ergot is generally in rye.

buffy said:

roughbarked said:

PermeateFree said:

There is a fungus that lives inside wheat seed and cannot be detected visually. It is however not new, but dates back to ancient Egypt and was associated with the death of the first-born, probably because the first born child would get the best food and if that was in short supply like in a drought, they would probably get most of the grain feed. However, it could kill or make very sick anyone who ate grain as their main sustenance.

Ergot.

Ergot is generally in rye.

And Rye is in Sussex.

buffy said:

roughbarked said:

PermeateFree said:

There is a fungus that lives inside wheat seed and cannot be detected visually. It is however not new, but dates back to ancient Egypt and was associated with the death of the first-born, probably because the first born child would get the best food and if that was in short supply like in a drought, they would probably get most of the grain feed. However, it could kill or make very sick anyone who ate grain as their main sustenance.

Ergot.

Ergot is generally in rye.

True but … Ergot is a fungus that grows on rye and less commonly on other grasses such as wheat.

Ergot has an interesting history. During the Middle Ages, ergotism, a severe reaction to ergot-contaminated food (such as rye bread), was common and was known as St. Anthony’s fire. Also, some historians believe that ergot played a role in the Salem witch hunt of 1692. They think that some women in Salem developed peculiar behaviors and accused other women of being witches as a result of eating ergot-contaminated food.

Despite serious safety concerns, ergot has been used as medicine. People use ergot for excessive bleeding during menstrual periods, to expel placenta after childbirth, and many other conditions, but there is no good scientific evidence to support these uses.

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

roughbarked said:

Ergot.

Ergot is generally in rye.

True but … Ergot is a fungus that grows on rye and less commonly on other grasses such as wheat.

Ergot has an interesting history. During the Middle Ages, ergotism, a severe reaction to ergot-contaminated food (such as rye bread), was common and was known as St. Anthony’s fire. Also, some historians believe that ergot played a role in the Salem witch hunt of 1692. They think that some women in Salem developed peculiar behaviors and accused other women of being witches as a result of eating ergot-contaminated food.

Despite serious safety concerns, ergot has been used as medicine. People use ergot for excessive bleeding during menstrual periods, to expel placenta after childbirth, and many other conditions, but there is no good scientific evidence to support these uses.

LSD.

ChrispenEvan said:

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

Ergot is generally in rye.

True but … Ergot is a fungus that grows on rye and less commonly on other grasses such as wheat.

Ergot has an interesting history. During the Middle Ages, ergotism, a severe reaction to ergot-contaminated food (such as rye bread), was common and was known as St. Anthony’s fire. Also, some historians believe that ergot played a role in the Salem witch hunt of 1692. They think that some women in Salem developed peculiar behaviors and accused other women of being witches as a result of eating ergot-contaminated food.

Despite serious safety concerns, ergot has been used as medicine. People use ergot for excessive bleeding during menstrual periods, to expel placenta after childbirth, and many other conditions, but there is no good scientific evidence to support these uses.

LSD.

I worked for a pharmaceutical company.
One of their products was Ergometrine for use as listed above.
Female employees refused to enter the tableting room when Ergometrine was being made as it played havoc with their periods.

ChrispenEvan said:

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

Ergot is generally in rye.

True but … Ergot is a fungus that grows on rye and less commonly on other grasses such as wheat.

Ergot has an interesting history. During the Middle Ages, ergotism, a severe reaction to ergot-contaminated food (such as rye bread), was common and was known as St. Anthony’s fire. Also, some historians believe that ergot played a role in the Salem witch hunt of 1692. They think that some women in Salem developed peculiar behaviors and accused other women of being witches as a result of eating ergot-contaminated food.

Despite serious safety concerns, ergot has been used as medicine. People use ergot for excessive bleeding during menstrual periods, to expel placenta after childbirth, and many other conditions, but there is no good scientific evidence to support these uses.

LSD.

Yeah, that too. Here is a paper covering more than you could ever want to kknow:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6640538/

pihkal

50 ukrainian generals and their staff killed in kakhovka today

wookiemeister said:

50 ukrainian generals and their staff killed in kakhovka today

400 million Russian generals were also killed today. I just googled it, and it was right there on the 49th page of google, on “truth eagle putin izded.com”.

Fair dinks.

Kingy said:

wookiemeister said:

50 ukrainian generals and their staff killed in kakhovka today

400 million Russian generals were also killed today. I just googled it, and it was right there on the 49th page of google, on “truth eagle putin izded.com”.

Fair dinks.

If it didn’t say ‘True Dinks’ I’m not sure I believe it.

Kingy said:

wookiemeister said:

50 ukrainian generals and their staff killed in kakhovka today

400 million Russian generals were also killed today. I just googled it, and it was right there on the 49th page of google, on “truth eagle putin izded.com”.

Fair dinks.

I wonder how many are left?

Tau.Neutrino said:

Kingy said:

wookiemeister said:

50 ukrainian generals and their staff killed in kakhovka today

400 million Russian generals were also killed today. I just googled it, and it was right there on the 49th page of google, on “truth eagle putin izded.com”.

Fair dinks.

I wonder how many are left?

In times of war, promotion tends to be rapid.

General estimates 300 – 1000 UA troops being killed every day ( not including wounded / surrendered/ captured)

UA security driving around shooting those that are suspected of wanting to surrender.

Zelensky bans opposition parties

Russia cuts gas export to Russia 50 percent

wookiemeister said:

Zelensky bans opposition parties

Putin murders opposition leaders. He has done for decades.

I’m waiting for your actual evidence.

wookiemeister said:

Russia cuts gas export to Russia 50 percent

Yes, of course. How could we possibly not understand something so simple?

wookiemeister said:

Russia cuts gas export to Russia 50 percent

The bastards.

wookiemeister said:

Russia cuts gas export to Russia 50 percent

They are cutting down on their own energy use.

wookiemeister said:

Russia cuts gas export to Russia 50 percent

Edit cuts gas to Germany

Germany is still supplying gas to poland who refuses to buy Russian gas. Wonder how that works now ?

I still put my money on the red army

Australia will get its new subs sometime around 2050

Australia has just paid the French billions to build NOTHING.

Australia has temporarily postponed shutting its last fertiliser plant but most likely will shut it because it gas NO control over its resources ( unlike Russia)

The new world order looks pretty stupid to me

wookiemeister said:

I still put my money on the red army

Australia will get its new subs sometime around 2050

Australia has just paid the French billions to build NOTHING.

1) No chance.
2) Also no.
3) No. Just under half a billion to pay off the French for the Liberals fuckup.

Keep going, this is entertaining, and it’s a Sunday.

Kingy said:

wookiemeister said:

I still put my money on the red army

Australia will get its new subs sometime around 2050

Australia has just paid the French billions to build NOTHING.

1) No chance.
2) Also no.
3) No. Just under half a billion to pay off the French for the Liberals fuckup.

Keep going, this is entertaining, and it’s a Sunday.

3). It wasn’t quite a fuckup. Handled badly but the switch to a nuclear sub really was the best thing the Morrison government accomplished.

wookiemeister said:

Australia has temporarily postponed shutting its last fertiliser plant but most likely will shut it because it gas NO control over its resources ( unlike Russia)

False. In Western Australia alone there are 17 currently operational fertiliser plants, with a further 73 either under construction or in the planning/approvals process.

wookiemeister said:

Australia has temporarily postponed shutting its last fertiliser plant but most likely will shut it because it gas NO control over its resources ( unlike Russia)

The new world order looks pretty stupid to me

What sort of websites/facebook pages do you follow?

Do any of them have refs? or do you just go “ok, sounds legit”.

This holiday forum is actually a place where people are skeptical of everything and a require some evidence for claims. Do you have any such evidence of your claims, or have you just given up on reality?

Kingy said:

or have you just given up on reality?

lock it in eddy!

Stooge posts headlines with no URLs, other forumers not all suspicious

party_pants said:

wookiemeister said:

Australia has temporarily postponed shutting its last fertiliser plant but most likely will shut it because it gas NO control over its resources ( unlike Russia)

False. In Western Australia alone there are 17 currently operational fertiliser plants, with a further 73 either under construction or in the planning/approvals process.

There also seems to be one in Wookies location.

sibeen said:

wookiemeister said:

Russia cuts gas export to Russia 50 percent

The bastards.

They deserved it.

wookiemeister said:

I still put my money on the red army

Australia will get its new subs sometime around 2050

Australia has just paid the French billions to build NOTHING.

At least it will be invisible.

How’s Putin Going?

Tau.Neutrino said:

How’s Putin Going?

He is another day closer to death.

How can Putin be part of the G20, an organisation for economic cooperation and development ?

He should be thrown out immediately if not sooner.

Americans caught fighting in Ukraine detained by Russia for ‘illegal activities’
It’s the first formal acknowledgement from Russia that the two men are being held and are under investigation, as the Kremlin denies holding a US basketball star hostage.

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