59th mechanised brigade of UA 500 men , machinery, equipment, weapons ship building plant Okean – destroyed.

wookiemeister said:

59th mechanised brigade of UA 500 men , machinery, equipment, weapons ship building plant Okean – destroyed.

So why does this please you?

wookiemeister said:

59th mechanised brigade of UA 500 men , machinery, equipment, weapons ship building plant Okean – destroyed.

Ministry of Defense: Aerospace Forces destroyed
about 500 Ukrainian soldiers at the Okean plant in Nikolaev
– ExpertRU

SUX BigTime :(

Ogmog said:

wookiemeister said:

59th mechanised brigade of UA 500 men , machinery, equipment, weapons ship building plant Okean – destroyed.

Ministry of Defense: Aerospace Forces destroyed
about 500 Ukrainian soldiers at the Okean plant in Nikolaev
– ExpertRU

SUX BigTime :(

Valid military target.

mollwollfumble said:

Ogmog said:

wookiemeister said:

59th mechanised brigade of UA 500 men , machinery, equipment, weapons ship building plant Okean – destroyed.

Ministry of Defense: Aerospace Forces destroyed
about 500 Ukrainian soldiers at the Okean plant in Nikolaev
– ExpertRU

SUX BigTime :(

Valid military target.

Some underground bases might be needed.

Ogmog said:

wookiemeister said:

59th mechanised brigade of UA 500 men , machinery, equipment, weapons ship building plant Okean – destroyed.

Ministry of Defense: Aerospace Forces destroyed
about 500 Ukrainian soldiers at the Okean plant in Nikolaev
– ExpertRU

SUX BigTime :(

Valid military target.
PS. I hope the really don’t mean “space Forces”

There’s an outer space military treaty you know.

mollwollfumble said:

Ogmog said:

wookiemeister said:

59th mechanised brigade of UA 500 men , machinery, equipment, weapons ship building plant Okean – destroyed.

Ministry of Defense: Aerospace Forces destroyed
about 500 Ukrainian soldiers at the Okean plant in Nikolaev
– ExpertRU

SUX BigTime :(

Valid military target.
PS. I hope the really don’t mean “space Forces”

There’s an outer space military treaty you know.

The russians have realised treaties with the west are worthless.

wookiemeister said:

mollwollfumble said:

Ogmog said:

Ministry of Defense: Aerospace Forces destroyed
about 500 Ukrainian soldiers at the Okean plant in Nikolaev
– ExpertRU

SUX BigTime :(

Valid military target.
PS. I hope the really don’t mean “space Forces”

There’s an outer space military treaty you know.

The russians have realised treaties with the west are worthless.

I’m surprised no one has violated the no weapons in orbit/space treaty (that we know of anyway)

How come you’re not responding to my queries Wookie?

Witty Rejoinder said:

How come you’re not responding to my queries Wookie?

trolls don’t respond they just go onto their next bait.

ChrispenEvan said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

How come you’re not responding to my queries Wookie?

trolls don’t respond they just go onto their next bait.

Cymek said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

How come you’re not responding to my queries Wookie?

trolls don’t respond they just go onto their next bait.

you have to get rid of this unholy fixation on southpark, cymek.

;-)

Its called reality

One day there will be Russian missiles crashing into our roofs and people will say “ how did this happen”?

They’ll most likely hit the power plants and water system and then all these inclusive and diverse millions will tear us apart then tear each other apart. It’s just the way it is.

I’m all for Australia doing stupid things now, keep sending the weapons. You want to ay in the big boys wars? Get ready for a nuclear missile shoved down your neck.

wookiemeister said:

Its called reality

One day there will be Russian missiles crashing into our roofs and people will say “ how did this happen”?

They’ll most likely hit the power plants and water system and then all these inclusive and diverse millions will tear us apart then tear each other apart. It’s just the way it is.

I’m all for Australia doing stupid things now, keep sending the weapons. You want to ay in the big boys wars? Get ready for a nuclear missile shoved down your neck.

Will this be before or after Turkey sinks a US aircraft carrier?

Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

Its called reality

One day there will be Russian missiles crashing into our roofs and people will say “ how did this happen”?

They’ll most likely hit the power plants and water system and then all these inclusive and diverse millions will tear us apart then tear each other apart. It’s just the way it is.

I’m all for Australia doing stupid things now, keep sending the weapons. You want to ay in the big boys wars? Get ready for a nuclear missile shoved down your neck.

Will this be before or after Turkey sinks a US aircraft carrier?

Does Turkey have that capability?

Tau.Neutrino said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

Its called reality

One day there will be Russian missiles crashing into our roofs and people will say “ how did this happen”?

They’ll most likely hit the power plants and water system and then all these inclusive and diverse millions will tear us apart then tear each other apart. It’s just the way it is.

I’m all for Australia doing stupid things now, keep sending the weapons. You want to ay in the big boys wars? Get ready for a nuclear missile shoved down your neck.

Will this be before or after Turkey sinks a US aircraft carrier?

Does Turkey have that capability?

A Russian one maybe. A US one prolly not.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

Its called reality

One day there will be Russian missiles crashing into our roofs and people will say “ how did this happen”?

They’ll most likely hit the power plants and water system and then all these inclusive and diverse millions will tear us apart then tear each other apart. It’s just the way it is.

I’m all for Australia doing stupid things now, keep sending the weapons. You want to ay in the big boys wars? Get ready for a nuclear missile shoved down your neck.

Will this be before or after Turkey sinks a US aircraft carrier?

Does Turkey have that capability?

Wookie seemed to think way back when that they had capability and intent.

ChrispenEvan said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

How come you’re not responding to my queries Wookie?

trolls don’t respond they just go onto their next bait.

WR won’t like this… how are they supposed to keep accurate up to date files on us all?

In the past Australia has been a long way away apart from a few Japanese bombs made from Australian iron ore Australia has been able to send its soldiers around the world attacking anyone that the yank gov has told it to attack. Things have changed – not so easy to go to war with Russia or China – BOOM ! no more power and water.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Will this be before or after Turkey sinks a US aircraft carrier?

Does Turkey have that capability?

Wookie seemed to think way back when that they had capability and intent.

Enough missiles could possibly overwhelm defences, say many hundreds from all directions at once

Tamb said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Will this be before or after Turkey sinks a US aircraft carrier?

Does Turkey have that capability?

A Russian one maybe. A US one prolly not.

Maybe turkey woke up and smelt the coffee ?

The russians haven’t forgotten they shot down one of their aircraft – they’ve got long memories.

The chinese have made missiles to hit the carriers, no probs.

Things have changed.

Anyway

Maybe Australia needs to send Russia a very strong message and commit a battalion to ukraine

They will last all of 5 minutes

I’ll keep up with the updates of the latest attack

wookiemeister said:

Anyway

Maybe Australia needs to send Russia a very strong message and commit a battalion to ukraine

They will last all of 5 minutes

Arts will be glad to hear me pronounce that upon intensive study I think Wookie has a paraphilia about warfare

Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

Anyway

Maybe Australia needs to send Russia a very strong message and commit a battalion to ukraine

They will last all of 5 minutes

Arts will be glad to hear me pronounce that upon intensive study I think Wookie has a paraphilia about warfare

he’s our forum war expert, just is never right.

Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

Anyway

Maybe Australia needs to send Russia a very strong message and commit a battalion to ukraine

They will last all of 5 minutes

Arts will be glad to hear me pronounce that upon intensive study I think Wookie has a paraphilia about warfare

Imagine having a sexual preference for war?

Aggressive sex on a different level.

Imagine having a sexual preference for war?

Is there such a thing?

ChrispenEvan said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

Anyway

Maybe Australia needs to send Russia a very strong message and commit a battalion to ukraine

They will last all of 5 minutes

Arts will be glad to hear me pronounce that upon intensive study I think Wookie has a paraphilia about warfare

he’s our forum war expert, just is never right.

I put my money on the red army

Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

Anyway

Maybe Australia needs to send Russia a very strong message and commit a battalion to ukraine

They will last all of 5 minutes

Arts will be glad to hear me pronounce that upon intensive study I think Wookie has a paraphilia about warfare

takes notes furiously

wookiemeister said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Arts will be glad to hear me pronounce that upon intensive study I think Wookie has a paraphilia about warfare

he’s our forum war expert, just is never right.

I put my money on the red army

From the very beginning Ukraine has been the underdog.

French caesar artillery system (2) captured and being examined by Russians

wookiemeister said:

Anyway

Maybe Australia needs to send Russia a very strong message and commit a battalion to ukraine

They will last all of 5 minutes

I’m exceedingly glad that Australia hasn’t.
As a result, my estimate of the intelligence of the current Labour Party has increased.

It would increase even more if they could resist poking China with a blunt stick.

mollwollfumble said:

wookiemeister said:

Anyway

Maybe Australia needs to send Russia a very strong message and commit a battalion to ukraine

They will last all of 5 minutes

I’m exceedingly glad that Australia hasn’t.
As a result, my estimate of the intelligence of the current Labour Party has increased.

It would increase even more if they could resist poking China with a blunt stick.

Should stick up for ourselves though, always the weak underdog that sucks up to whomever is the boss at the time.
Compromise ourselves doing this

While the Russian fascists will win battles, they will lose the war.

Ukraine is a big country with millions of people now armed with good reason to hate Russians, as well as plenty of lethal weapons.

Putin thought this would be an easy way to deal with those who suggested he retire (which he can’t do without quickly facing arrest).

Now he and his gang have ensured that Russia is surrounded by nations fully committed to Russian denazification and demilitarisation.

Sooner or later enough slow-witted Ruskis will wake up to how they’ve been played by the gangsters in charge.

Wookie and moll are never likely to wake up.

Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

ChrispenEvan said:

he’s our forum war expert, just is never right.

I put my money on the red army

From the very beginning Ukraine has been the underdog.

plus the red army hasn’t existed for a while.

Bubblecar said:

While the Russian fascists will win battles, they will lose the war.

Ukraine is a big country with millions of people now armed with good reason to hate Russians, as well as plenty of lethal weapons.

Putin thought this would be an easy way to deal with those who suggested he retire (which he can’t do without quickly facing arrest).

Now he and his gang have ensured that Russia is surrounded by nations fully committed to Russian denazification and demilitarisation.

Sooner or later enough slow-witted Ruskis will wake up to how they’ve been played by the gangsters in charge.

Wookie and moll are never likely to wake up.

I wonder when Russian communists will realize they are being run by Russian fascists?

mollwollfumble said:

wookiemeister said:

Anyway

Maybe Australia needs to send Russia a very strong message and commit a battalion to ukraine

They will last all of 5 minutes

I’m exceedingly glad that Australia hasn’t.
As a result, my estimate of the intelligence of the current Labour Party has increased.

It would increase even more if they could resist poking China with a blunt stick.

Its all gone very quiet

We dodged a bullet when the “liberals” got kicked out.

https://youtu.be/Yn6nzkUZBX4

Here’s some nice footage of the Russian tor72 system

( we can’t build anything like this)

Tor m2

wookiemeister said:

https://youtu.be/Yn6nzkUZBX4

Here’s some nice footage of the Russian tor72 system

( we can’t build anything like this)

Who’s ‘we’?

Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

https://youtu.be/Yn6nzkUZBX4

Here’s some nice footage of the Russian tor72 system

( we can’t build anything like this)

Who’s ‘we’?

Wookie and his mate Steve from the pub.

Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

https://youtu.be/Yn6nzkUZBX4

Here’s some nice footage of the Russian tor72 system

( we can’t build anything like this)

Who’s ‘we’?

two were abandoned when they got bogged.

https://twitter.com/kivijussi/status/1501950953469071362?lang=en

Tau.Neutrino said:

Imagine having a sexual preference for war?

Is there such a thing?

Its called necrophilia.

wookiemeister said:

Tor m2

Even modern #Russian air defence systems are not safe from the #BayraktarTB2 UAV of the #Ukrainian Air Force. This Tor-M2 surface-to-air missile system was neutralized by a Bayraktar TB2 UAV on February 24 near #Crimea. 7:30 AM · Feb 27, 2022
TOR-M2 airdefense destroyed by TB2 – WAFF – Tapatalk

34th battalion of 57th mechanised infantry – more or less gone

30th mechanised brigade 50 % casualties ( dead/ wounded)

26 command posts

>650 dead ( multiple missile attacks across the country)

21 UAVs

17 tanks

Platoon of M777 howitzers gone.

Nordstream gas pipeline to be shut off for 10 days ( for now, gas prices will soar).

wookiemeister said:

Nordstream gas pipeline to be shut off for 10 days ( for now, gas prices will soar).

As we’re a gas-exporting nation, we should all be billionaires by the end of the month.

wookiemeister said:

Nordstream gas pipeline to be shut off for 10 days ( for now, gas prices will soar).

Europe will switch to coal and LNG in the medium term, then to nuclear on the longer term. Nobody will ever trust Russian gas supplies in the future. They have slain the goose that laid the golden egg.

captain_spalding said:

wookiemeister said:

Nordstream gas pipeline to be shut off for 10 days ( for now, gas prices will soar).

As we’re a gas-exporting nation, we should all be billionaires by the end of the month.

The more the merrier

party_pants said:

wookiemeister said:

Nordstream gas pipeline to be shut off for 10 days ( for now, gas prices will soar).

Europe will switch to coal and LNG in the medium term, then to nuclear on the longer term. Nobody will ever trust Russian gas supplies in the future. They have slain the goose that laid the golden egg.

Absolutely

I suspect it’s the same from the other side too. All that exotic stuff, other stuff like titanium no more.

800 UA soldiers surrender

1000 killed ( presumably in 24 hours)

wookiemeister said:

party_pants said:

wookiemeister said:

Nordstream gas pipeline to be shut off for 10 days ( for now, gas prices will soar).

Europe will switch to coal and LNG in the medium term, then to nuclear on the longer term. Nobody will ever trust Russian gas supplies in the future. They have slain the goose that laid the golden egg.

Absolutely

I suspect it’s the same from the other side too. All that exotic stuff, other stuff like titanium no more.

Australia is well endowed with natural resources to cash in on this and become the supplier of choice for things like Ti.

_{If only we had an abundance of cheap energy to allow onshore processing of these ores into metals, or God-forbid: manufacturing.}

party_pants said:

wookiemeister said:

party_pants said:

Europe will switch to coal and LNG in the medium term, then to nuclear on the longer term. Nobody will ever trust Russian gas supplies in the future. They have slain the goose that laid the golden egg.

Absolutely

I suspect it’s the same from the other side too. All that exotic stuff, other stuff like titanium no more.

Australia is well endowed with natural resources to cash in on this and become the supplier of choice for things like Ti.

_{If only we had an abundance of cheap energy to allow onshore processing of these ores into metals, or God-forbid: manufacturing.}

so nuclear will be a good move too

SCIENCE said:

party_pants said:

wookiemeister said:

Absolutely

I suspect it’s the same from the other side too. All that exotic stuff, other stuff like titanium no more.

Australia is well endowed with natural resources to cash in on this and become the supplier of choice for things like Ti.

_{If only we had an abundance of cheap energy to allow onshore processing of these ores into metals, or God-forbid: manufacturing.}

so nuclear will be a good move too

I am not opposed to it in principle.

wookiemeister said:

800 UA soldiers surrender

1000 killed ( presumably in 24 hours)

Yeah it’s terrible isn’t it.

Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

800 UA soldiers surrender

1000 killed ( presumably in 24 hours)

Yeah it’s terrible isn’t it.

A lot of innocent people dying over fighting for resources: oil.

JK Rowling is pranked by ‘state-sponsored’ Russian hoaxers pretending to be Ukrainian President Zelensky who tell her they are writing Harry Potter death curse ‘avada kedavra’ on missiles

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

party_pants said:

Australia is well endowed with natural resources to cash in on this and become the supplier of choice for things like Ti.

_{If only we had an abundance of cheap energy to allow onshore processing of these ores into metals, or God-forbid: manufacturing.}

so nuclear will be a good move too

I am not opposed to it in principle.

We are too stupid to have nuclear power here

My experience about how they run industrial plant here tells me that Australia should NOT endeavour with nuclear power unless it is literally FOOLproof

Failing that just burn money to make electricity

wookiemeister said:

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

so nuclear will be a good move too

I am not opposed to it in principle.

We are too stupid to have nuclear power here

My experience about how they run industrial plant here tells me that Australia should NOT endeavour with nuclear power unless it is literally FOOLproof

Failing that just burn money to make electricity

No problems over 40 years at Lucas Heights.

Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

party_pants said:

I am not opposed to it in principle.

We are too stupid to have nuclear power here

My experience about how they run industrial plant here tells me that Australia should NOT endeavour with nuclear power unless it is literally FOOLproof

Failing that just burn money to make electricity

No problems over 40 years at Lucas Heights.

Its tiny and makes no power

2 x Su 25 ( frogfoot)

200 mercenaries/ volunteers

100 Nazis

5 ammo / weapon dumps

Side note: it’s estimated the rissians are going through 60,000 artillery shells a day

You and the Russians are the Nazis, wookie, but I think you realise that. Heil whatever.

5 UAVs

5 tochka U missiles ( the Ukrainians used some of these to hit one of their railway stations in a false flag op recently I think) . Unlucky for them bystanders took pictures, showing serial numbers – uko stock. The direction of fire was from uko lines.

You’re a Nazi, fuck off.

Bubblecar said:

You’re a Nazi, fuck off.

Reality is confronting I don’t take peoples responses personally

wookiemeister said:

Bubblecar said:

You’re a Nazi, fuck off.

Reality is confronting I don’t take peoples responses personally

You really should do so, and fuck off with your Nazi disinformation.

I am of Ukrainian descent and have relatives there who have to endure the reality.

Everyone here loathes you, kindly fuck off and don’t come back.

Bubblecar said:

wookiemeister said:

Bubblecar said:

You’re a Nazi, fuck off.

Reality is confronting I don’t take peoples responses personally

You really should do so, and fuck off with your Nazi disinformation.

I am of Ukrainian descent and have relatives there who have to endure the reality.

Everyone here loathes you, kindly fuck off and don’t come back.

The Holocaust in Ukraine
Date 22 June 1941 to 1944
Incident type Imprisonment, mass shootings, concentration camps, ghettos, forced labor, starvation, torture, mass kidnapping

Between 1941 and 1944, more than a million Jews living in the Soviet Union were murdered by Nazi Germany’s “Final Solution” extermination policies and with the help of local Ukrainian collaborators. Most of them were killed in Ukraine because most pre-WWII Soviet Jews lived in the Pale of Settlement, of which Ukraine was the biggest part. The major massacres against Jews occurred mainly in the first phase of the occupation, although they continued until the return of the Red Army of the Soviet Union.

wookiemeister said:

Bubblecar said:

wookiemeister said:

Reality is confronting I don’t take peoples responses personally

You really should do so, and fuck off with your Nazi disinformation.

I am of Ukrainian descent and have relatives there who have to endure the reality.

Everyone here loathes you, kindly fuck off and don’t come back.

The Holocaust in Ukraine
Date 22 June 1941 to 1944
Incident type Imprisonment, mass shootings, concentration camps, ghettos, forced labor, starvation, torture, mass kidnapping

Two simple words: fuck off.

You’re a piece of Nazi shit and everyone hates you.

Take your garbage back to your right-wing extremist hidey-hole.

Some of the most confronting images of crimes against humanity come from ukraine

The nazis got back in 2014 – some things never change

I remember listening to some Croatian gentleman proudly telling me about the croation secret police of ww2 – without realising that I knew exactly who they were and what crimes they had committed.

The nazis come in different flavours

There’s the ones that dress up in ww2 costumes , others seem to march around in the Australia bush giving nazi salutes, you’ve got skin heads but they’ve more or less disappeared now. The ones in ukraine seem to be festooned with nazi tattoos – these are the ones that are off the leash torturing POWs, shooting civillians, shelling residential areas, holding civillians hostage

The Ukrainian nazi movement entrenched in its gov and army is founded by the SS regiment that wiped out that village in France I believe ( it’s now an open air museum).

Nazism comes from the combination of stupidity and hate. Bonhoeffers theory of stupidity was written whilst he was in a nazi concentration camp – they killed him just before the liberation.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepan_Bandera

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust_in_Ukraine

According to The Simon Wiesenthal Center (in January 2011) “Ukraine has, to the best of our knowledge, never conducted a single investigation of a local Nazi war criminal, let alone prosecuted a Holocaust perpetrator.”

wookiemeister said:

According to The Simon Wiesenthal Center (in January 2011) “Ukraine has, to the best of our knowledge, never conducted a single investigation of a local Nazi war criminal, let alone prosecuted a Holocaust perpetrator.”

And we’ve just sent them millions of dollars of weapons

Ukraine does indeed have a Nazi problem..

wookiemeister said:

wookiemeister said:

According to The Simon Wiesenthal Center (in January 2011) “Ukraine has, to the best of our knowledge, never conducted a single investigation of a local Nazi war criminal, let alone prosecuted a Holocaust perpetrator.”

And we’ve just sent them millions of dollars of weapons

80 polish mercenaries and associated 20 APCs, 8 grad systems

300 UA soldiers / mercenaries

Widespread refusals to deploy to front line

Ammunition dumps, men materiel

Severodonetsk falls

wookiemeister said:

Severodonetsk falls

The Ukrainians could have fought longer for it, but it would have cost lives and materiel solely to slightly delay the inevitable.

Let the Russians have what’s now ruins, a wasteland. Withdraw, conserve your forces, re-group, observe, plan.

780 soldiers ( nationalists)

8 tanks

3 APCs

10 artillery pieces

13 special vehicles (?)

21 UAVs

1 missile

8 artillery platoons

captain_spalding said:

wookiemeister said:

Severodonetsk falls

The Ukrainians could have fought longer for it, but it would have cost lives and materiel solely to slightly delay the inevitable.

Let the Russians have what’s now ruins, a wasteland. Withdraw, conserve your forces, re-group, observe, plan.

They normally order a “stand and fight” policy first

Casualties on the UA side would be around 1000 a day – presumably dead with what , maybe thousands wounded ?

The Russian steam roller is going all the way to Lviv – why would Russia negotiate after loosing thousands of men ?

Rumour now is the two French caesar artillery systems captured by the russuans were actually SOLD to them.

https://interestingengineering.com/alleged-russian-missile-u-turn-strikes-troops

wookiemeister said:

They normally order a “stand and fight” policy first

Umm…what do you think that the Ukrainians have been doing up to this point?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-16/city-of-sievierodonetsk-refuses-surrender-to-russian-troops/101156316

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-23/russian-target-kharkiv-as-sievierodonetsk-gets-reinforcements/10117

Flame throwers being used against UA fortified positions

19 tanks

Abandonment of troops by officer corps

620 soldiers

The russians fire 60,000 shells a day

UA fires possibly 6000

Russian counter artillery knocks out UA fire.

Mig 29

720 neo nazis

12 tanks

8 UAVs

Su25 and 12 missiles

10 MLRS platoons

Training centres

Attacks on training centres continue

wookiemeister said:

Attacks on training centres continue

Terrible isn’t it.

Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

Attacks on training centres continue

Terrible isn’t it.

Either way the war continues

Stop feeding money, men, machines into it

1 x mig 29

2 x su25

1 x BukM1 SAM system

1 x mi8 helicopter

39 command posts

6 x ammo dumps

1 x unit of caesar artillery howitzers

216 strikes on lesser targets

9 UAVs

7 tochka ballistic missiles

8 other “projectiles”

10th Mountain assault brigade wiped out
( ukraine loses something like a brigade every three days)

Starvation taking hold across the front.

100 nazis of the “kraken” unit killed

Prisoner swap 144 each side. Mainly injured soldiers

China is not our adversary but we must be clear-eyed about the serious challenges it represents.”

SCIENCE said:

China is not our adversary but we must be clear-eyed about the serious challenges it represents.”

We need to slash any further military spending – it winter help us. The war is already lost

wookiemeister said:

SCIENCE said:

China is not our adversary but we must be clear-eyed about the serious challenges it represents.”

We need to slash any further military spending – it WON’T help us. The war is already lost

We need to make sure each house is self sufficient – that’s the best defence

Another burnt out australian bushmaster picture emerges

wookiemeister said:

Another burnt out australian bushmaster picture emerges

Must have got incredibly hot, no paint or tyres are left just stripped paint and rust

wookiemeister said:

Another burnt out australian bushmaster picture emerges

Probably good for small arms fires but not missiles or artillery

wookiemeister said:

wookiemeister said:

Another burnt out australian bushmaster picture emerges

Must have got incredibly hot, no paint or tyres are left just stripped paint and rust

They will have to improve the paint.

Cymek said:

wookiemeister said:

Another burnt out australian bushmaster picture emerges

Probably good for small arms fires but not missiles or artillery

Good for fighting hills men with RPGs but beyind that …

We could blow a few billion and send more over there I suppose

They can just put up the interest rates to pay for it all ( I’ll be fine)

Cymek said:

Probably good for small arms fires but not missiles or artillery

Nothing is good against missiles and artillery.

5 missiles

Su27

9 UAVs

2 x su25

Buk-1 ( SAM system)

S300 radar system

39 command posts

218 strikes across ukraine

2 platoons of rocket launchers

5 ammo dumps

5 strikes on manpower/ equipment

2 brigades retire due to massive losses

2 provisional bases 140 men

80 mercenaries

6 armoured vehicles

1000 plus various munitions including manpads

Dead / casualties unknown but at the very least 1 brigade of men lost every 3 days ( though probably 1 brigade every day)

Witty Rejoinder said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Will this be before or after Turkey sinks a US aircraft carrier?

Does Turkey have that capability?

Wookie seemed to think way back when that they had capability and intent.

Russia will probably wait and see for Turkey invading more of northern syria – the Turkish gov is expansionary. Syria is a client state. Turkey had already killed Russian a few Russian pilots and backs religious militias that commit war crimes. The russians took out Turkish tanker convoys a few years back when they started playing up. They bought s400 systems a few years ago but we’ll see. Most likely Russian weapons manufacturing is in overdrive, the strong rouble and deflation will keep things cooking.

Informative speech from Zelenskyy gives a more realistic appraisal of the situation than anything you’ll get from Putin bumboy pervert wookie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3PWydEphlc

The situation is tough but Ukrainians are pretty damn tough too. Squashing the Russian cockroaches and wookiemeister terrorists and rapists is everyday work for them, in which they take pride.

Bubblecar said:

Informative speech from Zelenskyy gives a more realistic appraisal of the situation than anything you’ll get from Putin bumboy pervert wookie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3PWydEphlc

The situation is tough but Ukrainians are pretty damn tough too. Squashing the Russian cockroaches and wookiemeister terrorists and rapists is everyday work for them, in which they take pride.

I only know ukraine from its heinous crimes against the Jews in ww2. When I saw the footage of uko nazis killing , torturing Russian POWs it didn’t surprise me.

In other news, Russia lost a destroyer or frigate in the Black Sea, along with a landing ship. Plus they have also abandoned Snake Island because of the ongoing air and missile attacks and have deemed the place undefensible.

But I am off to bed now. I have a full belly and a warm place to sleep.

A few of these eastern states have bad ww2 histories I’m afraid

party_pants said:

In other news, Russia lost a destroyer or frigate in the Black Sea, along with a landing ship. Plus they have also abandoned Snake Island because of the ongoing air and missile attacks and have deemed the place undefensible.

But I am off to bed now. I have a full belly and a warm place to sleep.

Yep

When the situation changes the russians change plans – they reinforce success.

Things will get tougher for Europe this winter.

Gas will never be higher

No fertiliser

No more food from ukraine.

What Putin bumboy pervert wookie doesn’t tell you about is Holodomor, the attempted genocide of the Ukrainian people by his Russians in the 1930s, in which millions of Ukrainians were starved to death.

The Ukrainian Genocide

“In the case of the Holodomor, this was the first genocide that was methodically planned out and perpetrated by depriving the very people who were producers of food of their nourishment (for survival). What is especially horrific is that the withholding of food was used as a weapon of genocide and that it was done in a region of the world known as the ‘breadbasket of Europe’.” – Prof. Andrea Graziosi, University of Naples.

https://cla.umn.edu/chgs/holocaust-genocide-education/resource-guides/holodomor

This completely unjustified war merely continues the contempt for Ukrainian lives that is traditional amongst the wookiemeisters.

As for the Putin bumboy pervert wookiemeister, if he was here in the room, I would happily kill the fucker with my bare hands :)

https://youtu.be/0r2fSEl5QXo

Here check this out , cross of iron Russian infantry attack. The russians don’t do this sort of thing now – too much loss.

Oh yes, they don’t sit back as 150,000 troops mass on their borders amymore. The uko army amassed their army to attack the breakaway regions.

Most likely the russians have ICBM defence systems

When the balloon goes up they’ll probably glass selected European capitals. They won’t bother sending troops in – Western Europe will tear itself apart and will probably be all but abandoned

I put the list of knock outs here people are ignorant, people only see what they want to see I guess. Oh well.

Will be interesting to see how this has moved on on a few months time.

Winter will probably be when the knock out blow gets delivered – as things stand I’m amazed the russkies have left the power system in tact.

Bubblecar said:

As for the Putin bumboy pervert wookiemeister, if he was here in the room, I would happily kill the fucker with my bare hands :)

Don’t say that bubbles – you don’t mean it

wookiemeister said:

Bubblecar said:

As for the Putin bumboy pervert wookiemeister, if he was here in the room, I would happily kill the fucker with my bare hands :)

Don’t say that bubbles – you don’t mean it

I most certainly do, you piece of worthless shit.

Its putting things into perspective bubbles, nothing more, nothing less

Here look at this

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10972055/Australia-officially-meth-capital-world.html

We keep blowing money on subs whilst everything falls apart

At my work there’s at least two former ( ?) Ice users

No more money for war

Ive been watching the gov blow untold billions on wars for the last 30 years

This time we’ve provoked the wrong people

Unfortunately I can’t squash the nazimeister (my email to cb88 remains unacknowledged, presumably because he no longer monitors this forum, or has other pressing concerns).

In the meantime I’ll be more sensible about it and completely ignore the Russian propaganda updates from that despicable troll.

As it turns out social justice was invented by the KGB to undermine the west as part of an ideological subversion programme ( the KGB won). Putin would know very well what’s eating the brain of the west. It’s been a double edged – sure it’s destabilised the west and things are unravelling but it’s made the west more dangerous – you’ve got very stupid people in charge of nuclear systems

Bubblecar said:

Unfortunately I can’t squash the nazimeister (my email to cb88 remains unacknowledged, presumably because he no longer monitors this forum, or has other pressing concerns).

In the meantime I’ll be more sensible about it and completely ignore the Russian propaganda updates from that despicable troll.

Its not propaganda

Time for true negotiations to happen instead of the killings then everyone goes home.

The russians are going to ask the unbearable I’m afraid.

Bubblecar said:

Unfortunately I can’t squash the nazimeister (my email to cb88 remains unacknowledged, presumably because he no longer monitors this forum, or has other pressing concerns).

In the meantime I’ll be more sensible about it and completely ignore the Russian propaganda updates from that despicable troll.

And anyway, threatening to kill me probably doesn’t help.

Cheer up, they arrested and gaoled “ the Aussie cossack” a youtuber ( pro Russian)

He’ll probably pack up and leave once he’s done his time in gaol.

wookiemeister said:

Bubblecar said:

Unfortunately I can’t squash the nazimeister (my email to cb88 remains unacknowledged, presumably because he no longer monitors this forum, or has other pressing concerns).

In the meantime I’ll be more sensible about it and completely ignore the Russian propaganda updates from that despicable troll.

Its not propaganda

Time for true negotiations to happen instead of the killings then everyone goes home.

The russians are going to ask the unbearable I’m afraid.

2 artillery platoons

SBU ( the Ukrainian secret ) police arrest 171 soldiers of 42 battalion and 57th mech division.

The losses of tanks continues

Lysychansk falls

wookiemeister said:

Lysychansk falls

Russian troops left Ivanivka village in Kherson region – General Staff of Ukraine

Spirne falls

wookiemeister said:

Spirne falls

The Russians appear to be putting a good deal of effort into eliminating intrusions into their front line.

The Ukrainians will be looking at avoiding the salient near Sievierodonetsk being pinched off, with the risk of big losses same-same Falaise Pocket in WW2.

Father south, the Russians are probably looking at the bulge around Berestove, and the salient around Novoluhanske and the Vuglegirska power station.

If they straighten the front in those areas, they may be content to dig in and wait for winter before attacking again, or they may make some moves to a negotiated settlement.

For their part, the Ukrainians would probably be keen to eliminate the Russian salient farther south near Velyka Novosilka, and push them back away from the airport there.

Zolotarevka falls

wookiemeister said:

Zolotarevka falls

I find this to be startling news, as i hadn’t previously encountered the name ‘Zolotarevka’ in my studies of the maps of Ukraine, and as the only ‘Zolotarevka’ i can find is in Russia, between the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea, about 60km NE of Stavropol.

This would indeed be a significant advance for the Ukrainian forces.

Belgorod , kursk ( russia) it with missiles ( soviet ), fragments of missiles causing death.

120 foreign mercenaries , mercenary base hit

Lugansk Peoples Republic – now taken

120 soldiers of 30th mechanised brigade

15 “units” ( whatever that means) of military equipment

30 soldiers of 10th Mountain assault brigade kharkov and 10 units of armoured vehicles

wookiemeister said:

Lugansk Peoples Republic – now taken

120 soldiers of 30th mechanised brigade

15 “units” ( whatever that means) of military equipment

30 soldiers of 10th Mountain assault brigade kharkov and 10 units of armoured vehicles

The Ukrainians will have to give up their salient there. The Russians seem keen to lop it off, and the Ukrainians seem to have a corridor only 3km-4km wide through which to bail out.

Time to forget national pride for a minute, focus on not letting forces get cut off, get them out, and consolidate a more easily-managed continuous front.

captain_spalding said:

wookiemeister said:

Lugansk Peoples Republic – now taken

120 soldiers of 30th mechanised brigade

15 “units” ( whatever that means) of military equipment

30 soldiers of 10th Mountain assault brigade kharkov and 10 units of armoured vehicles

The Ukrainians will have to give up their salient there. The Russians seem keen to lop it off, and the Ukrainians seem to have a corridor only 3km-4km wide through which to bail out.

Time to forget national pride for a minute, focus on not letting forces get cut off, get them out, and consolidate a more easily-managed continuous front.

They have been caught in the cauldron multiple times

wookiemeister said:

captain_spalding said:

wookiemeister said:

Lugansk Peoples Republic – now taken

120 soldiers of 30th mechanised brigade

15 “units” ( whatever that means) of military equipment

30 soldiers of 10th Mountain assault brigade kharkov and 10 units of armoured vehicles

The Ukrainians will have to give up their salient there. The Russians seem keen to lop it off, and the Ukrainians seem to have a corridor only 3km-4km wide through which to bail out.

Time to forget national pride for a minute, focus on not letting forces get cut off, get them out, and consolidate a more easily-managed continuous front.

They have been caught in the cauldron multiple times

There’s been big dents in both directions along the front. Both sides have run the risk of having forces isolated, especially once the advances into those salients have been halted.

There comes a point in such situations when the risks and cost of maintaining those territorial intrusions has to be questioned.

German PzH 2000 self propelled gun

According to Shoigu, Ukrainian troops sustained 5,469 casualties over the last two weeks, including 2,218 fatalities. The fighting also cost Kiev a significant amount of hardware, including 12 warplanes, six long-range air defense missile systems, 97 rocket artillery launchers and almost 200 tanks and other armor, the defense minister reported. Ukrainian troops abandoned some of the weapons in Lisichansk, including almost 40 vehicles, he said.

wookiemeister said:

According to Shoigu, Ukrainian troops sustained 5,469 casualties over the last two weeks, including 2,218 fatalities. The fighting also cost Kiev a significant amount of hardware, including 12 warplanes, six long-range air defense missile systems, 97 rocket artillery launchers and almost 200 tanks and other armor, the defense minister reported. Ukrainian troops abandoned some of the weapons in Lisichansk, including almost 40 vehicles, he said.

Russians probably quite a bit more.
Does make you wonder how the Russians would go against a similarly equipped foe

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-06/russia-ukraine-war-propaganda-solntsepyok-film-first-clue/101210700

More needless destruction

100 nazis

2 HIMARS ( rocket launchers)

2 ammo dumps

1 s300 radar system and mercenary staging post

Rocket and munitions ammo dumps

6 command posts

6 ammo dumps

27 staging areas

1 platoon of rocket launchers

77 staging areas

9 tochka missile intercepts

8 intercept from rocket launchers

wookiemeister said:

More needless destruction

100 nazis

2 HIMARS ( rocket launchers)

2 ammo dumps

1 s300 radar system and mercenary staging post

Rocket and munitions ammo dumps

6 command posts

6 ammo dumps

27 staging areas

1 platoon of rocket launchers

77 staging areas

9 tochka missile intercepts

8 intercept from rocket launchers

Source, please?

https://www.zenger.news/2022/06/03/chest-incredible-moscow-plastic-surgeon-creates-russian-flag-breast-implants/

I wonder how long the bushmasters will last over there

Depends where they use them I suppose, anywhere near the front-line and the helicopters / anti tank systems get them or APCs I suppose.

wookiemeister said:

More needless destruction

So you think Putin should stop this war?

Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

More needless destruction

So you think Putin should stop this war?

The war continues

wookiemeister said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

More needless destruction

So you think Putin should stop this war?

The war continues

Sorry for a second there I thought you were suggesting that the aggressor should end their invasion.

Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

So you think Putin should stop this war?

The war continues

Sorry for a second there I thought you were suggesting that the aggressor should end their invasion.

Actually, that sounds a pretty good solution. I wonder why nobody has ever thought of that.

Dark Orange said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

The war continues

Sorry for a second there I thought you were suggesting that the aggressor should end their invasion.

Actually, that sounds a pretty good solution. I wonder why nobody has ever thought of that.

Let’s be fair, and take a look at the Kremlin’s view of the business.

The didn’t have to be a war. The choice was entirely up to the Ukrainians. If they’d understood the script a bit better, they’d have been lining the roads, waving, cheering, and holding little Russian flags as the Russian army undertook a long-weekend excursion to the Polish border.

But, no, they had to go and get all sniffy about things, and start blowing the turrets off tanks left, right, and centre. And just look where that attitude has got all of us.

Whatever unpleasantness currently prevails is the fault of the Ukrainians and their weirdo beliefs about running their own country. So don’t go expecting Russia to cut them any slack, OK?

captain_spalding said:

Dark Orange said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Sorry for a second there I thought you were suggesting that the aggressor should end their invasion.

Actually, that sounds a pretty good solution. I wonder why nobody has ever thought of that.

Let’s be fair, and take a look at the Kremlin’s view of the business.

The didn’t have to be a war. The choice was entirely up to the Ukrainians. If they’d understood the script a bit better, they’d have been lining the roads, waving, cheering, and holding little Russian flags as the Russian army undertook a long-weekend excursion to the Polish border.

But, no, they had to go and get all sniffy about things, and start blowing the turrets off tanks left, right, and centre. And just look where that attitude has got all of us.

Whatever unpleasantness currently prevails is the fault of the Ukrainians and their weirdo beliefs about running their own country. So don’t go expecting Russia to cut them any slack, OK?

Unfortunately, that’s pretty much exactly how Putin views it.

Michael V said:

captain_spalding said:

Dark Orange said:

Actually, that sounds a pretty good solution. I wonder why nobody has ever thought of that.

Let’s be fair, and take a look at the Kremlin’s view of the business.

The didn’t have to be a war. The choice was entirely up to the Ukrainians. If they’d understood the script a bit better, they’d have been lining the roads, waving, cheering, and holding little Russian flags as the Russian army undertook a long-weekend excursion to the Polish border.

But, no, they had to go and get all sniffy about things, and start blowing the turrets off tanks left, right, and centre. And just look where that attitude has got all of us.

Whatever unpleasantness currently prevails is the fault of the Ukrainians and their weirdo beliefs about running their own country. So don’t go expecting Russia to cut them any slack, OK?

Unfortunately, that’s pretty much exactly how Putin views it.

Can’t really save face if you thought it would be a cakewalk and it turns out to be the exact opposite and now you wish you hadn’t
Seem like Russia is determined to just wreck Ukraine now as even if they win what have they won

Cymek said:

Michael V said:

captain_spalding said:

Let’s be fair, and take a look at the Kremlin’s view of the business.

The didn’t have to be a war. The choice was entirely up to the Ukrainians. If they’d understood the script a bit better, they’d have been lining the roads, waving, cheering, and holding little Russian flags as the Russian army undertook a long-weekend excursion to the Polish border.

But, no, they had to go and get all sniffy about things, and start blowing the turrets off tanks left, right, and centre. And just look where that attitude has got all of us.

Whatever unpleasantness currently prevails is the fault of the Ukrainians and their weirdo beliefs about running their own country. So don’t go expecting Russia to cut them any slack, OK?

Unfortunately, that’s pretty much exactly how Putin views it.

Can’t really save face if you thought it would be a cakewalk and it turns out to be the exact opposite and now you wish you hadn’t
Seem like Russia is determined to just wreck Ukraine now as even if they win what have they won

That was Hitler’s idea at the end of WWII.

Tamb said:

Cymek said:

Michael V said:

Unfortunately, that’s pretty much exactly how Putin views it.

Can’t really save face if you thought it would be a cakewalk and it turns out to be the exact opposite and now you wish you hadn’t
Seem like Russia is determined to just wreck Ukraine now as even if they win what have they won

That was Hitler’s idea at the end of WWII.

Same sort of mindset, supposedly the damage bill is already close to a trillion dollars

Tamb said:

Cymek said:

Michael V said:

Unfortunately, that’s pretty much exactly how Putin views it.

Can’t really save face if you thought it would be a cakewalk and it turns out to be the exact opposite and now you wish you hadn’t
Seem like Russia is determined to just wreck Ukraine now as even if they win what have they won

That was Hitler’s idea at the end of WWII.

Things are escalating.

If/when Sweden and Finland join NATO, Russia will have to escalate it’s war like posturing in response. Sweden and Finland in NATO means no more secretive submarine launches from St Petersburg to the North Sea. Also, the Kola Peninsula houses a lot of Russia’s nuclear weapons sites, some air force bases, and of course Murmansk / Severomorsk (the main administrative base of the Russian Northern Fleet.) All this is accessible by land from greater Russia via one, and only one, road / rail line. The road / rail line comes pretty close to the Finnish border and NATO sitting on that border would be something pretty difficult for Russia to tolerate.

It looks like the Ukraine invasion is being used as pretext by Western powers to really pound Russia in to the dirt, send it back to the stone-age kinda thing. Don’t get me wrong, I am pro-Ukraine. But I think our dear leaders are angling to push a much wider conflict here. Difficult to see why they would welcome Sweden and Finland to NATO if not.

esselte said:

Difficult to see why they would welcome Sweden and Finland to NATO if not.

Also difficult to see why Finland and Sweden would not want to join NATO, in light of such behaviour from Russia.

It all comes back to Vlad having bought into the sales pitch from the Russian general staff: don’t worry, boss, three days and our tankies will be washing their vehicles in the Bug River. A week, at the outside. It’ll all be over and dust settled before the West knows what’s happened. Finland and the Baltics will be so shocked and awed that they’ll do whatever we say.

‘Losing’ was a contingency that was not considered at all.

esselte said:

Tamb said:

Cymek said:

Can’t really save face if you thought it would be a cakewalk and it turns out to be the exact opposite and now you wish you hadn’t
Seem like Russia is determined to just wreck Ukraine now as even if they win what have they won

That was Hitler’s idea at the end of WWII.

Things are escalating.

If/when Sweden and Finland join NATO, Russia will have to escalate it’s war like posturing in response. Sweden and Finland in NATO means no more secretive submarine launches from St Petersburg to the North Sea. Also, the Kola Peninsula houses a lot of Russia’s nuclear weapons sites, some air force bases, and of course Murmansk / Severomorsk (the main administrative base of the Russian Northern Fleet.) All this is accessible by land from greater Russia via one, and only one, road / rail line. The road / rail line comes pretty close to the Finnish border and NATO sitting on that border would be something pretty difficult for Russia to tolerate.

It looks like the Ukraine invasion is being used as pretext by Western powers to really pound Russia in to the dirt, send it back to the stone-age kinda thing. Don’t get me wrong, I am pro-Ukraine. But I think our dear leaders are angling to push a much wider conflict here. Difficult to see why they would welcome Sweden and Finland to NATO if not.

It is taking on Russia by proxy, lose weapons and money but no soldiers

captain_spalding said:

esselte said:

Difficult to see why they would welcome Sweden and Finland to NATO if not.

Also difficult to see why Finland and Sweden would not want to join NATO, in light of such behaviour from Russia.

It all comes back to Vlad having bought into the sales pitch from the Russian general staff: don’t worry, boss, three days and our tankies will be washing their vehicles in the Bug River. A week, at the outside. It’ll all be over and dust settled before the West knows what’s happened. Finland and the Baltics will be so shocked and awed that they’ll do whatever we say.

‘Losing’ was a contingency that was not considered at all.

The difficulty is in parsing out what of this is accurate and what is inaccurate and based solely on propaganda.

Cymek said:

esselte said:

It looks like the Ukraine invasion is being used as pretext by Western powers to really pound Russia in to the dirt, send it back to the stone-age kinda thing. Don’t get me wrong, I am pro-Ukraine. But I think our dear leaders are angling to push a much wider conflict here. Difficult to see why they would welcome Sweden and Finland to NATO if not.

It is taking on Russia by proxy, lose weapons and money but no soldiers

It wouldn’t be happening at all if Mr. P had found another project on which to focus.

If he doesn’t like it, well. he should have thought about it a little longer.

captain_spalding said:

Cymek said:

esselte said:

It looks like the Ukraine invasion is being used as pretext by Western powers to really pound Russia in to the dirt, send it back to the stone-age kinda thing. Don’t get me wrong, I am pro-Ukraine. But I think our dear leaders are angling to push a much wider conflict here. Difficult to see why they would welcome Sweden and Finland to NATO if not.

It is taking on Russia by proxy, lose weapons and money but no soldiers

It wouldn’t be happening at all if Mr. P had found another project on which to focus.

If he doesn’t like it, well. he should have thought about it a little longer.

He could have gone to the gym, toned up and done a series of shirtless poses

Cymek said:

esselte said:

Tamb said:

That was Hitler’s idea at the end of WWII.

Things are escalating.

If/when Sweden and Finland join NATO, Russia will have to escalate it’s war like posturing in response. Sweden and Finland in NATO means no more secretive submarine launches from St Petersburg to the North Sea. Also, the Kola Peninsula houses a lot of Russia’s nuclear weapons sites, some air force bases, and of course Murmansk / Severomorsk (the main administrative base of the Russian Northern Fleet.) All this is accessible by land from greater Russia via one, and only one, road / rail line. The road / rail line comes pretty close to the Finnish border and NATO sitting on that border would be something pretty difficult for Russia to tolerate.

It looks like the Ukraine invasion is being used as pretext by Western powers to really pound Russia in to the dirt, send it back to the stone-age kinda thing. Don’t get me wrong, I am pro-Ukraine. But I think our dear leaders are angling to push a much wider conflict here. Difficult to see why they would welcome Sweden and Finland to NATO if not.

It is taking on Russia by proxy, lose weapons and money but no soldiers

My concern is that (especially) Finland in NATO will push it beyond a proxy war. Combined with a possible re-taking of Crimea, Finland in NATO gives Western powers the ability to quickly and easily turn Russia in to (essentially) a land-locked country if NATO decides to go on the offensive. This would not be a good thing for Russia.

esselte said:

The difficulty is in parsing out what of this is accurate and what is inaccurate and based solely on propaganda.

Another problem is Putin not wanting to ‘lose face’.

It’s obvious that no Russian soldier would have so much as got out of bed for this operation unless Vlad had given the whole thing his okey-doke. Which was fine, if it was to be a low-cost blitzkrieg across Ukraine.

Now he’s got to prosecute the thing to some reasonably presentable conclusion so that he doesn’t look like he was A. sold a dud that cost a lot of lives and materiel for very little and B. didn’t know what to do when it all went belly-up.

captain_spalding said:

esselte said:

The difficulty is in parsing out what of this is accurate and what is inaccurate and based solely on propaganda.

Another problem is Putin not wanting to ‘lose face’.

It’s obvious that no Russian soldier would have so much as got out of bed for this operation unless Vlad had given the whole thing his okey-doke. Which was fine, if it was to be a low-cost blitzkrieg across Ukraine.

Now he’s got to prosecute the thing to some reasonably presentable conclusion so that he doesn’t look like he was A. sold a dud that cost a lot of lives and materiel for very little and B. didn’t know what to do when it all went belly-up.

Yeah, see I don’t trust any of this “Putin saving face”, “Putin is a senile old man who has lost the plot”, “Putin is surrounded by ‘Yes” men and so lives in an alternate reality” stuff. Maybe it’s true, but I think these are assertions which should be treated with a great deal of skepticism.

There are plenty of geopolitically legitimate reasons for Russia to be doing what it’s doing right now.

imagine if propaganda proliferated on every side of a conflict

Cymek said:

captain_spalding said:

It wouldn’t be happening at all if Mr. P had found another project on which to focus.

If he doesn’t like it, well. he should have thought about it a little longer.

He could have gone to the gym, toned up and done a series of shirtless poses

like

esselte said:

There are plenty of geopolitically legitimate reasons for Russia to be doing what it’s doing right now.

Yeah, well, Vlad does really have to present a man-in-control persona. because, hey, it’s Russia, and if you don’t look like the boss, you don’t get to stay as the boss.

The Russians might see ‘geopolitically legitimate reasons for Russia to be doing what it’s doing right now’ because they’ve always felt picked on by the rest of the world, and their fear of being encircled goes w-a-a-a-y back.

How in blazes they think that they’re going to be ‘encircled by NATO’ when they’ve got e.g. a border with their BFF China that’s over 4,000 km long, and another border with good pals Kazakhstan that’s close on 5,000 km long, and one with good neighbour Mongolia of 3,500 km (none of whom are likely to join NATO) is hard to perceive.

Just shows how much they trust they place in even those nations who say they’re Russia’s friends.

SCIENCE said:

imagine if propaganda proliferated on every side of a conflict

It does, and always has. I would suggest that you and I are not as immersed in Russian propaganda as we are in Western / Pro-Ukraine propaganda at the moment.

Ukraine has actually done a brilliant job with their propaganda. From “I need ammo, not a ride” to “Russian ship, go fuck yourself” to “The Ghost of Ukraine” to…. it’s been a never ending feed of expertly crafted propaganda and has made all of us “care” about war in ways we haven’t ever cared about the war in Yemen, or various wars in Africa, or any of the other wars that are going on at he moment. Ukraine has weaponized memes to Western audiences far more successfully than Russia (which has had reasonable success in this arena) has ever managed.

esselte said:

SCIENCE said:

imagine if propaganda proliferated on every side of a conflict

It does, and always has. I would suggest that you and I are not as immersed in Russian propaganda as we are in Western / Pro-Ukraine propaganda at the moment.

Ukraine has actually done a brilliant job with their propaganda. From “I need ammo, not a ride” to “Russian ship, go fuck yourself” to “The Ghost of Ukraine” to…. it’s been a never ending feed of expertly crafted propaganda and has made all of us “care” about war in ways we haven’t ever cared about the war in Yemen, or various wars in Africa, or any of the other wars that are going on at he moment. Ukraine has weaponized memes to Western audiences far more successfully than Russia (which has had reasonable success in this arena) has ever managed.

So key to an alien invasion is some really cool memes

I want do believe

esselte said:

SCIENCE said:

imagine if propaganda proliferated on every side of a conflict

It does, and always has. I would suggest that you and I are not as immersed in Russian propaganda as we are in Western / Pro-Ukraine propaganda at the moment.

Ukraine has actually done a brilliant job with their propaganda. From “I need ammo, not a ride” to “Russian ship, go fuck yourself” to “The Ghost of Ukraine” to…. it’s been a never ending feed of expertly crafted propaganda and has made all of us “care” about war in ways we haven’t ever cared about the war in Yemen, or various wars in Africa, or any of the other wars that are going on at he moment. Ukraine has weaponized memes to Western audiences far more successfully than Russia (which has had reasonable success in this arena) has ever managed.

Propaganda was another factor that was not considered at all by Russia, because when the war is supposed to be over in a week or so, how much propaganda do you need? And really, they don’t feel a need to win foreign opinion. As long as their propaganda (‘de-nazification’, ethnic persecution etc.) persuades the Russian people to accept the slaughter of their sons, well, that’ll do.

esselte said:

you and I are not as immersed in Russian propaganda as we are in Western / Pro-Ukraine propaganda

well yes

esselte said:

SCIENCE said:

imagine if propaganda proliferated on every side of a conflict

It does, and always has. I would suggest that you and I are not as immersed in Russian propaganda as we are in Western / Pro-Ukraine propaganda at the moment.

Ukraine has actually done a brilliant job with their propaganda. From “I need ammo, not a ride” to “Russian ship, go fuck yourself” to “The Ghost of Ukraine” to…. it’s been a never ending feed of expertly crafted propaganda and has made all of us “care” about war in ways we haven’t ever cared about the war in Yemen, or various wars in Africa, or any of the other wars that are going on at he moment. Ukraine has weaponized memes to Western audiences far more successfully than Russia (which has had reasonable success in this arena) has ever managed.

John Le Carre et al have given the West a picture of Russia which is not altogether inaccurate.

Tamb said:

esselte said:

SCIENCE said:

imagine if propaganda proliferated on every side of a conflict

It does, and always has. I would suggest that you and I are not as immersed in Russian propaganda as we are in Western / Pro-Ukraine propaganda at the moment.

Ukraine has actually done a brilliant job with their propaganda. From “I need ammo, not a ride” to “Russian ship, go fuck yourself” to “The Ghost of Ukraine” to…. it’s been a never ending feed of expertly crafted propaganda and has made all of us “care” about war in ways we haven’t ever cared about the war in Yemen, or various wars in Africa, or any of the other wars that are going on at he moment. Ukraine has weaponized memes to Western audiences far more successfully than Russia (which has had reasonable success in this arena) has ever managed.

John Le Carre et al have given the West a picture of Russia which is not altogether inaccurate.

Read a lot of le carre.

Bogsnorkler said:

Tamb said:

esselte said:

It does, and always has. I would suggest that you and I are not as immersed in Russian propaganda as we are in Western / Pro-Ukraine propaganda at the moment.

Ukraine has actually done a brilliant job with their propaganda. From “I need ammo, not a ride” to “Russian ship, go fuck yourself” to “The Ghost of Ukraine” to…. it’s been a never ending feed of expertly crafted propaganda and has made all of us “care” about war in ways we haven’t ever cared about the war in Yemen, or various wars in Africa, or any of the other wars that are going on at he moment. Ukraine has weaponized memes to Western audiences far more successfully than Russia (which has had reasonable success in this arena) has ever managed.

John Le Carre et al have given the West a picture of Russia which is not altogether inaccurate.

Read a lot of le carre.

You’re going to run out.

captain_spalding said:

esselte said:

There are plenty of geopolitically legitimate reasons for Russia to be doing what it’s doing right now.

Yeah, well, Vlad does really have to present a man-in-control persona. because, hey, it’s Russia, and if you don’t look like the boss, you don’t get to stay as the boss.

The Russians might see ‘geopolitically legitimate reasons for Russia to be doing what it’s doing right now’ because they’ve always felt picked on by the rest of the world, and their fear of being encircled goes w-a-a-a-y back.

How in blazes they think that they’re going to be ‘encircled by NATO’ when they’ve got e.g. a border with their BFF China that’s over 4,000 km long, and another border with good pals Kazakhstan that’s close on 5,000 km long, and one with good neighbour Mongolia of 3,500 km (none of whom are likely to join NATO) is hard to perceive.

Just shows how much they trust they place in even those nations who say they’re Russia’s friends.

Russia feels vulnerable if Moscow is vulnerable. My understanding is that the Kremlin thinks of “Russia” as being Moscow, and the rest of “Russia” is just there for resources and to put some geographical distance between Moscow and any possible invading forces. Kazakhstan and Mongolia and the Russian-China border are mountainous areas, difficult to move an invading army across and with a long way to go to Moscow even if they do make it in to Russia. This border has no coastal access to international waters. I don’t think I said NATO would “encircle” Russia, but rather could (essentially) “land-lock” the country.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Len_Deighton

Link

Another like.

Bogsnorkler said:

Tamb said:

esselte said:

It does, and always has. I would suggest that you and I are not as immersed in Russian propaganda as we are in Western / Pro-Ukraine propaganda at the moment.

Ukraine has actually done a brilliant job with their propaganda. From “I need ammo, not a ride” to “Russian ship, go fuck yourself” to “The Ghost of Ukraine” to…. it’s been a never ending feed of expertly crafted propaganda and has made all of us “care” about war in ways we haven’t ever cared about the war in Yemen, or various wars in Africa, or any of the other wars that are going on at he moment. Ukraine has weaponized memes to Western audiences far more successfully than Russia (which has had reasonable success in this arena) has ever managed.

John Le Carre et al have given the West a picture of Russia which is not altogether inaccurate.

Read a lot of le carre.

Was not happy at the prom

esselte said:

captain_spalding said:

esselte said:

There are plenty of geopolitically legitimate reasons for Russia to be doing what it’s doing right now.

Yeah, well, Vlad does really have to present a man-in-control persona. because, hey, it’s Russia, and if you don’t look like the boss, you don’t get to stay as the boss.

The Russians might see ‘geopolitically legitimate reasons for Russia to be doing what it’s doing right now’ because they’ve always felt picked on by the rest of the world, and their fear of being encircled goes w-a-a-a-y back.

How in blazes they think that they’re going to be ‘encircled by NATO’ when they’ve got e.g. a border with their BFF China that’s over 4,000 km long, and another border with good pals Kazakhstan that’s close on 5,000 km long, and one with good neighbour Mongolia of 3,500 km (none of whom are likely to join NATO) is hard to perceive.

Just shows how much they trust they place in even those nations who say they’re Russia’s friends.

Russia feels vulnerable if Moscow is vulnerable. My understanding is that the Kremlin thinks of “Russia” as being Moscow, and the rest of “Russia” is just there for resources and to put some geographical distance between Moscow and any possible invading forces. Kazakhstan and Mongolia and the Russian-China border are mountainous areas, difficult to move an invading army across and with a long way to go to Moscow even if they do make it in to Russia. This border has no coastal access to international waters. I don’t think I said NATO would “encircle” Russia, but rather could (essentially) “land-lock” the country.

not entirely sure what you mean by land-lock.. Russia has port cities in the North, in the East as well as all along the Black Sea

captain_spalding said:

How in blazes they think that they’re going to be ‘encircled by NATO’ when they’ve got e.g. a border with their BFF China that’s over 4,000 km long, and another border with good pals Kazakhstan that’s close on 5,000 km long, and one with good neighbour Mongolia of 3,500 km (none of whom are likely to join NATO) is hard to perceive.

to be fair if we just think of it as West Taiwan for a moment

diddly-squat said:

esselte said:

captain_spalding said:

Yeah, well, Vlad does really have to present a man-in-control persona. because, hey, it’s Russia, and if you don’t look like the boss, you don’t get to stay as the boss.

The Russians might see ‘geopolitically legitimate reasons for Russia to be doing what it’s doing right now’ because they’ve always felt picked on by the rest of the world, and their fear of being encircled goes w-a-a-a-y back.

How in blazes they think that they’re going to be ‘encircled by NATO’ when they’ve got e.g. a border with their BFF China that’s over 4,000 km long, and another border with good pals Kazakhstan that’s close on 5,000 km long, and one with good neighbour Mongolia of 3,500 km (none of whom are likely to join NATO) is hard to perceive.

Just shows how much they trust they place in even those nations who say they’re Russia’s friends.

Russia feels vulnerable if Moscow is vulnerable. My understanding is that the Kremlin thinks of “Russia” as being Moscow, and the rest of “Russia” is just there for resources and to put some geographical distance between Moscow and any possible invading forces. Kazakhstan and Mongolia and the Russian-China border are mountainous areas, difficult to move an invading army across and with a long way to go to Moscow even if they do make it in to Russia. This border has no coastal access to international waters. I don’t think I said NATO would “encircle” Russia, but rather could (essentially) “land-lock” the country.

not entirely sure what you mean by land-lock.. Russia has port cities in the North, in the East as well as all along the Black Sea

Vladivostok to the sea of Japan and many others on the eastern coast.

diddly-squat said:

esselte said:

captain_spalding said:

Yeah, well, Vlad does really have to present a man-in-control persona. because, hey, it’s Russia, and if you don’t look like the boss, you don’t get to stay as the boss.

The Russians might see ‘geopolitically legitimate reasons for Russia to be doing what it’s doing right now’ because they’ve always felt picked on by the rest of the world, and their fear of being encircled goes w-a-a-a-y back.

How in blazes they think that they’re going to be ‘encircled by NATO’ when they’ve got e.g. a border with their BFF China that’s over 4,000 km long, and another border with good pals Kazakhstan that’s close on 5,000 km long, and one with good neighbour Mongolia of 3,500 km (none of whom are likely to join NATO) is hard to perceive.

Just shows how much they trust they place in even those nations who say they’re Russia’s friends.

Russia feels vulnerable if Moscow is vulnerable. My understanding is that the Kremlin thinks of “Russia” as being Moscow, and the rest of “Russia” is just there for resources and to put some geographical distance between Moscow and any possible invading forces. Kazakhstan and Mongolia and the Russian-China border are mountainous areas, difficult to move an invading army across and with a long way to go to Moscow even if they do make it in to Russia. This border has no coastal access to international waters. I don’t think I said NATO would “encircle” Russia, but rather could (essentially) “land-lock” the country.

not entirely sure what you mean by land-lock.. Russia has port cities in the North, in the East as well as all along the Black Sea

If NATO becomes aggressive, Turkey blocks access to internatinal oceans from the Black Sea via the Bosporus Strait. NATO invades the Kola Peninsula cutting off Russian access to Murmansk. Naval blcokades in the Baltic Sea from a base established on the Finnish Island Gotland cuts off St Petersburg departing ships. It’s true that ports on the Arctic ocean to the North and north of Japan in the East would still be open, but Russian manufacturing, infrastructure, military platforms etc are very concentrated in the West of the country. Essentially there is nothing located along the north coast (outside of Kola) or the East coast which is strategically or economically all that valuable. This is why I have been bracketing the word (essentially) in these statements – not actually land-locked, but in most of the ways that matter it would be land-locked is what I’m getting at.

esselte said:

diddly-squat said:

esselte said:

Russia feels vulnerable if Moscow is vulnerable. My understanding is that the Kremlin thinks of “Russia” as being Moscow, and the rest of “Russia” is just there for resources and to put some geographical distance between Moscow and any possible invading forces. Kazakhstan and Mongolia and the Russian-China border are mountainous areas, difficult to move an invading army across and with a long way to go to Moscow even if they do make it in to Russia. This border has no coastal access to international waters. I don’t think I said NATO would “encircle” Russia, but rather could (essentially) “land-lock” the country.

not entirely sure what you mean by land-lock.. Russia has port cities in the North, in the East as well as all along the Black Sea

If NATO becomes aggressive, Turkey blocks access to internatinal oceans from the Black Sea via the Bosporus Strait. NATO invades the Kola Peninsula cutting off Russian access to Murmansk. Naval blcokades in the Baltic Sea from a base established on the Finnish Island Gotland cuts off St Petersburg departing ships. It’s true that ports on the Arctic ocean to the North and north of Japan in the East would still be open, but Russian manufacturing, infrastructure, military platforms etc are very concentrated in the West of the country. Essentially there is nothing located along the north coast (outside of Kola) or the East coast which is strategically or economically all that valuable. This is why I have been bracketing the word (essentially) in these statements – not actually land-locked, but in most of the ways that matter it would be land-locked is what I’m getting at.

Sorry, just correcting myself: Gotland is part of Sweden, not Finland.

esselte said:

esselte said:

diddly-squat said:

not entirely sure what you mean by land-lock.. Russia has port cities in the North, in the East as well as all along the Black Sea

If NATO becomes aggressive, Turkey blocks access to internatinal oceans from the Black Sea via the Bosporus Strait. NATO invades the Kola Peninsula cutting off Russian access to Murmansk. Naval blcokades in the Baltic Sea from a base established on the Finnish Island Gotland cuts off St Petersburg departing ships. It’s true that ports on the Arctic ocean to the North and north of Japan in the East would still be open, but Russian manufacturing, infrastructure, military platforms etc are very concentrated in the West of the country. Essentially there is nothing located along the north coast (outside of Kola) or the East coast which is strategically or economically all that valuable. This is why I have been bracketing the word (essentially) in these statements – not actually land-locked, but in most of the ways that matter it would be land-locked is what I’m getting at.

Sorry, just correcting myself: Gotland is part of Sweden, not Finland.

NATO is unlikely to become aggressive. MAD still is all too likely from Mr P

Tamb said:

NATO is unlikely to become aggressive

shrug, apparently well regulated militia are necessary to the security of a free state, they are surely and solely for defensive purposes, as is the possession and carriage of firearms

Tamb said:

esselte said:

esselte said:

If NATO becomes aggressive, Turkey blocks access to internatinal oceans from the Black Sea via the Bosporus Strait. NATO invades the Kola Peninsula cutting off Russian access to Murmansk. Naval blcokades in the Baltic Sea from a base established on the Finnish Island Gotland cuts off St Petersburg departing ships. It’s true that ports on the Arctic ocean to the North and north of Japan in the East would still be open, but Russian manufacturing, infrastructure, military platforms etc are very concentrated in the West of the country. Essentially there is nothing located along the north coast (outside of Kola) or the East coast which is strategically or economically all that valuable. This is why I have been bracketing the word (essentially) in these statements – not actually land-locked, but in most of the ways that matter it would be land-locked is what I’m getting at.

Sorry, just correcting myself: Gotland is part of Sweden, not Finland.

NATO is unlikely to become aggressive. MAD still is all too likely from Mr P

Before all this talk about Sweden and Finland joining I would have agreed that NATO is unlikely to become aggressive. Now I am not so sure. Allowing those countries to join is an aggressive move on the part of NATO.

MAD is not the only nuclear protocol that exists. It is actually possible for NATO and Russia to go to war without bringing about nuclear annihilation. “But Putin is a mad-man who will launch nukes…” is exactly the kind of propaganda that I said earlier I am highly skeptical of.

SCIENCE said:

Tamb said:

NATO is unlikely to become aggressive

shrug, apparently well regulated militia are necessary to the security of a free state, they are surely and solely for defensive purposes, as is the possession and carriage of firearms

Our US allies seem to have forgotten the meaning of the phrase “well regulated”.

esselte said:

Tamb said:

esselte said:

Sorry, just correcting myself: Gotland is part of Sweden, not Finland.

NATO is unlikely to become aggressive. MAD still is all too likely from Mr P

Before all this talk about Sweden and Finland joining I would have agreed that NATO is unlikely to become aggressive. Now I am not so sure. Allowing those countries to join is an aggressive move on the part of NATO.

MAD is not the only nuclear protocol that exists. It is actually possible for NATO and Russia to go to war without bringing about nuclear annihilation. “But Putin is a mad-man who will launch nukes…” is exactly the kind of propaganda that I said earlier I am highly skeptical of.

Then we must agree to disagree.

Tamb said:

esselte said:

Tamb said:

NATO is unlikely to become aggressive. MAD still is all too likely from Mr P

Before all this talk about Sweden and Finland joining I would have agreed that NATO is unlikely to become aggressive. Now I am not so sure. Allowing those countries to join is an aggressive move on the part of NATO.

MAD is not the only nuclear protocol that exists. It is actually possible for NATO and Russia to go to war without bringing about nuclear annihilation. “But Putin is a mad-man who will launch nukes…” is exactly the kind of propaganda that I said earlier I am highly skeptical of.

Then we must agree to disagree.

That’s fair enough. I mean, I’m not an expert in this area or anything. I’m basically just parroting some youtube videos I’ve watched recently, so I don’t expect anyone to be deciding policy based on anything I’ve said. :)

HIMARS sold to Russian forces

Now under evaluation

wookiemeister said:

HIMARS sold to Russian forces

Now under evaluation

Do you have a reliable reference?

Ore indeed any reference?

B0-j0 2022 system neutralised

Artist Andrei Kuzkin, used his own feces and blood to paint the three words “Blood S*** War” for a work he titled “Mixture.” (Courtesy of Andrei Kuz’kin/Courtesy of Andrei Kuz’kin)

Witty Rejoinder said:

Artist Andrei Kuzkin, used his own feces and blood to paint the three words “Blood S*** War” for a work he titled “Mixture.” (Courtesy of Andrei Kuz’kin/Courtesy of Andrei Kuz’kin)

Don’t worry, he’ll disappear soon enough if he still lives in Russia.

290 soldiers

29 Armoured vehicles

85 nazis with associated 15 units (?) weapons/ equipment

2 harpoon missile systems

2 tochka U Missile launchers

150 nazis

6 rocket launchers

1 ammo dumps

4 rocket launchers

4 artillery batteries

156 strikes on troop deployment areas

1 fuel depot

2 x Mig 29

Su 25

9 UAVs

wookiemeister said:

290 soldiers

29 Armoured vehicles

85 nazis with associated 15 units (?) weapons/ equipment

2 harpoon missile systems

2 tochka U Missile launchers

150 nazis

6 rocket launchers

1 ammo dumps

4 rocket launchers

4 artillery batteries

156 strikes on troop deployment areas

1 fuel depot

2 x Mig 29

Su 25

9 UAVs

This obviously doesn’t take into account wounded that survived the attacks.

wookiemeister said:

wookiemeister said:

290 soldiers

29 Armoured vehicles

85 nazis with associated 15 units (?) weapons/ equipment

2 harpoon missile systems

2 tochka U Missile launchers

150 nazis

6 rocket launchers

1 ammo dumps

4 rocket launchers

4 artillery batteries

156 strikes on troop deployment areas

1 fuel depot

2 x Mig 29

Su 25

9 UAVs

This obviously doesn’t take into account wounded that survived the attacks.

How come you don’t post the Russian losses?

The 2 CAESAR self propelled guns were sold to the russians or 120K each

Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

wookiemeister said:

290 soldiers

29 Armoured vehicles

85 nazis with associated 15 units (?) weapons/ equipment

2 harpoon missile systems

2 tochka U Missile launchers

150 nazis

6 rocket launchers

1 ammo dumps

4 rocket launchers

4 artillery batteries

156 strikes on troop deployment areas

1 fuel depot

2 x Mig 29

Su 25

9 UAVs

This obviously doesn’t take into account wounded that survived the attacks.

How come you don’t post the Russian losses?

The war continues

wookiemeister said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

This obviously doesn’t take into account wounded that survived the attacks.

How come you don’t post the Russian losses?

The war continues

Yeah. The Ukrainians have shown how useless the Russian army has been.

The Russians sank one of their own transport ships by sea mines as a gesture of goodwill.

Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

How come you don’t post the Russian losses?

The war continues

Yeah. The Ukrainians have shown how useless the Russian army has been.

Sure

wookiemeister said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

The war continues

Yeah. The Ukrainians have shown how useless the Russian army has been.

Sure

You moron. Russia should have won in a week. Instead Putin lied to conscripts, sent them to their death and has had to dramatically curtail his objectives. If you think the war has gone to plan you are even dumber than you seem to be. And you seem pretty fuckin’ dumb.

Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Yeah. The Ukrainians have shown how useless the Russian army has been.

Sure

You moron. Russia should have won in a week. Instead Putin lied to conscripts, sent them to their death and has had to dramatically curtail his objectives. If you think the war has gone to plan you are even dumber than you seem to be. And you seem pretty fuckin’ dumb.

The great realisation is that take nukes out of the frame and the NATO countries would wipe Russia off the map. Until just recently there was actual arguments over this. Now, you’d really have to be a great Putin fanboy to suggest otherwise.

Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Yeah. The Ukrainians have shown how useless the Russian army has been.

Sure

You moron. Russia should have won in a week. Instead Putin lied to conscripts, sent them to their death and has had to dramatically curtail his objectives. If you think the war has gone to plan you are even dumber than you seem to be. And you seem pretty fuckin’ dumb.

bag of hammers dumb?

sibeen said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

Sure

You moron. Russia should have won in a week. Instead Putin lied to conscripts, sent them to their death and has had to dramatically curtail his objectives. If you think the war has gone to plan you are even dumber than you seem to be. And you seem pretty fuckin’ dumb.

The great realisation is that take nukes out of the frame and the NATO countries would wipe Russia off the map. Until just recently there was actual arguments over this. Now, you’d really have to be a great Putin fanboy to suggest otherwise.

Russia have fallen out of the on the world GDP list. Soon they will drop below Brazil, Spain and even Australia. So yeah, apart from the legacy nukes they would be nothing much.

party_pants said:

sibeen said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

You moron. Russia should have won in a week. Instead Putin lied to conscripts, sent them to their death and has had to dramatically curtail his objectives. If you think the war has gone to plan you are even dumber than you seem to be. And you seem pretty fuckin’ dumb.

The great realisation is that take nukes out of the frame and the NATO countries would wipe Russia off the map. Until just recently there was actual arguments over this. Now, you’d really have to be a great Putin fanboy to suggest otherwise.

Russia have fallen out of the on the world GDP list. Soon they will drop below Brazil, Spain and even Australia. So yeah, apart from the legacy nukes they would be nothing much.

Russia have fallen out of the top 10 …

(bad edit, booze, etc)

sibeen said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

Sure

You moron. Russia should have won in a week. Instead Putin lied to conscripts, sent them to their death and has had to dramatically curtail his objectives. If you think the war has gone to plan you are even dumber than you seem to be. And you seem pretty fuckin’ dumb.

The great realisation is that take nukes out of the frame and the NATO countries would wipe Russia off the map. Until just recently there was actual arguments over this. Now, you’d really have to be a great Putin fanboy to suggest otherwise.

sounds sort of logical, but the entire world would be different if nukes were taken out of the equation

you probably mean of the present context I guess, in isolation maybe, seen so

how do you do that, more see the west as a contemporary force, employ a instrumental historical detachment to that end

and maybe that is in some way large part the ideological difference, Russia (or Putin if you prefer) don’t buy the historical detachment of the contemporary

16 weeks to winter

Nordstream pipeline shutting down for maintenance 2 days time

Russia’s ruble hit its strongest level in 7 years despite massive sanctions.

With a reported net worth of $1 million, Great Thunberg is the world’s youngest and wealthiest climate activist.25 Mar 2022

Data from Thomas Elders Markets showed the cost of sending fertiliser to Australia in April 2022 was $1251 per tonne compared with $533 per tonne in May 2021.

The conflict in Ukraine has driven the price even higher.

Ukraine has deposits of vital fertiliser ingredients urea and potash, and exports have been limited since Russia invaded the country on February 24.

wookiemeister said:

16 weeks to winter

Nordstream pipeline shutting down for maintenance 2 days time

Russia’s ruble hit its strongest level in 7 years despite massive sanctions.

You could do us the kindness of identifying your sources when you post these little bulletins.

captain_spalding said:

wookiemeister said:

16 weeks to winter

Nordstream pipeline shutting down for maintenance 2 days time

Russia’s ruble hit its strongest level in 7 years despite massive sanctions.

You could do us the kindness of identifying your sources when you post these little bulletins.

Just copy and paste the points into the machine

wookiemeister said:

captain_spalding said:

wookiemeister said:

16 weeks to winter

Nordstream pipeline shutting down for maintenance 2 days time

Russia’s ruble hit its strongest level in 7 years despite massive sanctions.

You could do us the kindness of identifying your sources when you post these little bulletins.

Just copy and paste the points into the machine

captain_spalding said:

wookiemeister said:

captain_spalding said:

You could do us the kindness of identifying your sources when you post these little bulletins.

Just copy and paste the points into the machine

Human psychology

The journey is sometimes important than the destination

75 nazis 30 armoured vehicles

40 “militants” 10 weapon caches

Major losses due to desertion

M777 howitzer base destroyed with gun crews ( they tracked down where the guns shelling the breakaway regions were firing from / regrouping. 30 guncrew.

22 command posts

2 mercenaries bases

117 strikes at artillery positions

5 ammo dumps

2 x su25

15 UAV

6 missiles intercepts

The Ukrainian army raises the flag at snake Island

Russian forces fire a missile killing the expedition.

Ukraine needs air power.

That’s all there is to it.

captain_spalding said:

Ukraine needs air power.

That’s all there is to it.

Have needed it all along and did request planes and training.

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

Ukraine needs air power.

That’s all there is to it.

Have needed it all along and did request planes and training.

I don’t understand it.

Europe, America, Australia will give them tanks, guns, missiles, ammunition, just about anything. But not planes.

They want Ukraine to win, but there seems to be some taboo about aircraft, as if it’s a line that should not be crossed, would take it to a whole new level, next thing boom! mushroom clouds.

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

Ukraine needs air power.

That’s all there is to it.

Have needed it all along and did request planes and training.

I don’t understand it.

Europe, America, Australia will give them tanks, guns, missiles, ammunition, just about anything. But not planes.

They want Ukraine to win, but there seems to be some taboo about aircraft, as if it’s a line that should not be crossed, would take it to a whole new level, next thing boom! mushroom clouds.

That’s one fungi we must avoid.

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

Ukraine needs air power.

That’s all there is to it.

Have needed it all along and did request planes and training.

I don’t understand it.

Europe, America, Australia will give them tanks, guns, missiles, ammunition, just about anything. But not planes.

They want Ukraine to win, but there seems to be some taboo about aircraft, as if it’s a line that should not be crossed, would take it to a whole new level, next thing boom! mushroom clouds.

Yeah. It is the threat of nukes. Probably because if Ukraine jad planes they might push the Russians back onto their land and cross the unforgivable border.

Tamb said:

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

Have needed it all along and did request planes and training.

I don’t understand it.

Europe, America, Australia will give them tanks, guns, missiles, ammunition, just about anything. But not planes.

They want Ukraine to win, but there seems to be some taboo about aircraft, as if it’s a line that should not be crossed, would take it to a whole new level, next thing boom! mushroom clouds.

That’s one fungi we must avoid.

Yeah they drop nasty spores.

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

Ukraine needs air power.

That’s all there is to it.

Have needed it all along and did request planes and training.

I don’t understand it.

Europe, America, Australia will give them tanks, guns, missiles, ammunition, just about anything. But not planes.

They want Ukraine to win, but there seems to be some taboo about aircraft, as if it’s a line that should not be crossed, would take it to a whole new level, next thing boom! mushroom clouds.

quite a number of reasons

but foremost probably worth remembering what’s happening is an invitation to the US to come a little closer now and do more of what you’ve been doing, both invitation and not

and that I participated in the thread momentarily shouldn’t be mistaken for agreeing with its existence, that I think it appropriate at all, the enthusiasms that inclined it

transition said:

quite a number of reasons

but foremost probably worth remembering what’s happening is an invitation to the US to come a little closer now and do more of what you’ve been doing, both invitation and not

and that I participated in the thread momentarily shouldn’t be mistaken for agreeing with its existence, that I think it appropriate at all, the enthusiasms that inclined it

Well, it doesn’t have to be the US.

Poland and a few other countries still have aircraft like MiG-29s in their inventories (hell, even Germany has a few – just about the only aircraft type they retained from the old East German air force). Sure, they’re a bit long in the tooth, but there’s been more than enough time for major overhauls on them to render them fit for emergency service.

What’s the big deal with donating Russian-built aircraft to a country which already has/had them in its inventory, and with which its pilots are familiar? It’s not like McDonnell are cranking up the old assembly line and churning out F-15s for them.

‘Let them try’: Putin dares the West to defeat Russia.

roughbarked said:

‘Let them try’: Putin dares the West to defeat Russia.

it’s not so much a dare, not in the western sense, or as western spin gives it, it’s more a statement of resolve, so the west knows upfront the critical details of the agreement

It’s interesting, though, that the Russians are now mentioning ‘terms’.

Whereas initially they were expect a stroll to the Polish border, take over the place lock,stock, and barrel, minimal damage = maximum stuff for appropriation and dishing out to Putin’s pals, they now seem to accept that that’s not going to happen, and like the latter stages of WW1, the fighting now is all about getting the best possible hand to play at the negotiating table.

It’s looking like, despite what Putin says, Russia is getting rather tired, too, and they’ll settle for the eastern parts that they’ve grabbed, which are still a worthwhile prize with oil and gas assets that will keep the Eurodollars rolling in for Putin once all the unpleasantness is over and Europe goes back to relying on Russia for heat and energy. Which they will do, without much effort, thought, or conscience.

transition said:

roughbarked said:

‘Let them try’: Putin dares the West to defeat Russia.

it’s not so much a dare, not in the western sense, or as western spin gives it, it’s more a statement of resolve, so the west knows upfront the critical details of the agreement

I get that.

captain_spalding said:

It’s interesting, though, that the Russians are now mentioning ‘terms’.

Whereas initially they were expect a stroll to the Polish border, take over the place lock,stock, and barrel, minimal damage = maximum stuff for appropriation and dishing out to Putin’s pals, they now seem to accept that that’s not going to happen, and like the latter stages of WW1, the fighting now is all about getting the best possible hand to play at the negotiating table.

It’s looking like, despite what Putin says, Russia is getting rather tired, too, and they’ll settle for the eastern parts that they’ve grabbed, which are still a worthwhile prize with oil and gas assets that will keep the Eurodollars rolling in for Putin once all the unpleasantness is over and Europe goes back to relying on Russia for heat and energy. Which they will do, without much effort, thought, or conscience.

In due course.

captain_spalding said:

… and Europe goes back to relying on Russia for heat and energy. Which they will do, without much effort, thought, or conscience.

Nup. Can’t see that happening.

party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

… and Europe goes back to relying on Russia for heat and energy. Which they will do, without much effort, thought, or conscience.

Nup. Can’t see that happening.

What, you think that the governments and people of Europe will ‘learn something’ from this, and that their collective conscience won’t allow them to ever again deal with that awful man no matter how nice a deal he offers on the oil and the gas?

captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

… and Europe goes back to relying on Russia for heat and energy. Which they will do, without much effort, thought, or conscience.

Nup. Can’t see that happening.

What, you think that the governments and people of Europe will ‘learn something’ from this, and that their collective conscience won’t allow them to ever again deal with that awful man no matter how nice a deal he offers on the oil and the gas?

Yes.

He remains a threat. What he wants is to control all of the Baltic states, plus most of Poland and Romania. Take control of the strategic gaps and push NATO outside that zone.

The west have come to realisation that economic integration with authoritarian regimes does not lead to democracy in those countries and their transition to the rules based world order. What is does is makes the authoritarian regimes rich and more inclined to build up their military strength and more prone to aggression and expansion. China is the other country that we have made rich and powerful and now fear their expansionist tendencies.

We need to disengage completely with both and leave them to rot in their own filth.

party_pants said:

We need to disengage completely with both and leave them to rot in their own filth.

Yeah…

…but…money….

captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

We need to disengage completely with both and leave them to rot in their own filth.

Yeah…

…but…money….

It was western FDI that built China, attracted by it’s low wages and large population. It can happen again with other countries. Be it SE Asia or Africa or central/southern America. It can’t happen overnight, but once the process gets going and momentum it will happen more quickly than you think. Sure, companies with investment already in China will want to make the most of their sunk costs, but expect new investment to be directed elsewhere.

party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

We need to disengage completely with both and leave them to rot in their own filth.

Yeah…

…but…money….

It was western FDI that built China, attracted by it’s low wages and large population. It can happen again with other countries. Be it SE Asia or Africa or central/southern America. It can’t happen overnight, but once the process gets going and momentum it will happen more quickly than you think. Sure, companies with investment already in China will want to make the most of their sunk costs, but expect new investment to be directed elsewhere.

China is one step ahead setting up this in Africa and the Solomons.

Cymek said:

wookiemeister said:

mollwollfumble said:

Valid military target.
PS. I hope the really don’t mean “space Forces”

There’s an outer space military treaty you know.

The russians have realised treaties with the west are worthless.

I’m surprised no one has violated the no weapons in orbit/space treaty (that we know of anyway)

The Russians still want treaties with the West.

Even though America quickly defaulted on Obama’s nuclear disarmament treaty with Russia.

Before the “no weapons in orbit/space treaty”, Russia carried machine guns on their spy satellites to discourage space piracy by Americans.

Anyway, Vlad the unconvincing has burnt almost all of his bridges and will end up with a pile of coal oil and gas that he cannot sell to anyone.

roughbarked said:

party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

Yeah…

…but…money….

It was western FDI that built China, attracted by it’s low wages and large population. It can happen again with other countries. Be it SE Asia or Africa or central/southern America. It can’t happen overnight, but once the process gets going and momentum it will happen more quickly than you think. Sure, companies with investment already in China will want to make the most of their sunk costs, but expect new investment to be directed elsewhere.

China is one step ahead setting up this in Africa and the Solomons.

They are not setting up factories to mass produce goods for sale to the two largest and wealthiest trading blocs in the world (North America and the EU). They tend to want to keep their manufacturing on home shores because it means mass employment within China. They genuinely fear mass unemployment because of the social unrest it would cause.

roughbarked said:

Anyway, Vlad the unconvincing has burnt almost all of his bridges and will end up with a pile of coal oil and gas that he cannot sell to anyone.

He’s far more likely to end up deposed… or dead.

Would Ukrainian special ops targeting Russian munitions manufacturing be to provocative? Must be easy to blow one of those facilities sky-high.

wookiemeister said:

75 nazis 30 armoured vehicles

40 “militants” 10 weapon caches

Major losses due to desertion

M777 howitzer base destroyed with gun crews ( they tracked down where the guns shelling the breakaway regions were firing from / regrouping. 30 guncrew.

22 command posts

2 mercenaries bases

117 strikes at artillery positions

5 ammo dumps

2 x su25

15 UAV

6 missiles intercepts

Searched both Bing and Google for the above with no result from Bing and “It looks like there aren’t many great matches for your search” from Google. So would you please provide your references?

party_pants said:

roughbarked said:

party_pants said:

It was western FDI that built China, attracted by it’s low wages and large population. It can happen again with other countries. Be it SE Asia or Africa or central/southern America. It can’t happen overnight, but once the process gets going and momentum it will happen more quickly than you think. Sure, companies with investment already in China will want to make the most of their sunk costs, but expect new investment to be directed elsewhere.

China is one step ahead setting up this in Africa and the Solomons.

They are not setting up factories to mass produce goods for sale to the two largest and wealthiest trading blocs in the world (North America and the EU). They tend to want to keep their manufacturing on home shores because it means mass employment within China. They genuinely fear mass unemployment because of the social unrest it would cause.

wait we thought they were about to have a crisis of not enough workers due to population shrinkage

Tamb said:

roughbarked said:

Anyway, Vlad the unconvincing has burnt almost all of his bridges and will end up with a pile of coal oil and gas that he cannot sell to anyone.

He’s far more likely to end up deposed… or dead.

so VP is actually saving the world, deterring coal and gas use and keeping it sequestered

SCIENCE said:

Tamb said:

roughbarked said:

Anyway, Vlad the unconvincing has burnt almost all of his bridges and will end up with a pile of coal oil and gas that he cannot sell to anyone.

He’s far more likely to end up deposed… or dead.

so VP is actually saving the world, deterring coal and gas use and keeping it sequestered

Meanwhile doing all he can to reduce population density pressure on the environment.

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

Tamb said:

He’s far more likely to end up deposed… or dead.

so VP is actually saving the world, deterring coal and gas use and keeping it sequestered

Meanwhile doing all he can to reduce population density pressure on the environment.

VP for VP

PermeateFree said:

wookiemeister said:

75 nazis 30 armoured vehicles

40 “militants” 10 weapon caches

Major losses due to desertion

M777 howitzer base destroyed with gun crews ( they tracked down where the guns shelling the breakaway regions were firing from / regrouping. 30 guncrew.

22 command posts

2 mercenaries bases

117 strikes at artillery positions

5 ammo dumps

2 x su25

15 UAV

6 missiles intercepts

Searched both Bing and Google for the above with no result from Bing and “It looks like there aren’t many great matches for your search” from Google. So would you please provide your references?

Do you want the red pill and go and find out reality

Or the blue pill, you stsyay asleep and still think Russia is losing the war ?

wookiemeister said:

Do you want the red pill and go and find out reality

Or the blue pill, you stsyay asleep and still think Russia is losing the war ?

oh wait is it a war now

SCIENCE said:

wookiemeister said:

Do you want the red pill and go and find out reality

Or the blue pill, you stsyay asleep and still think Russia is losing the war ?

oh wait is it a war now

In our terms yes

The russians laying down 60,000 shells a day is a war, for them it’s a special military operation

I don’t think they’d waste a nuke on us

Most likely just hit power and water

6 months later they’d march into the cities to silence, maybe they never would.

All these lovely people we’ve been bringing in for decades would literally EAT us

wookiemeister said:

Do you want the red pill and go and find out reality

Or the blue pill, you stsyay asleep and still think Russia is losing the war ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinformation_in_the_2021%E2%80%932022_Russo-Ukrainian_crisis

wookiemeister said:

Do you want the red pill and go and find out reality

Or the blue pill, you stsyay asleep and still think Russia is losing the war ?

I don’t say that they’re losing.

They’re just not winning.

Which is why ‘terms’ crops up in reports now and then.

The first rumblings would be in 24 hours as fuel supplies dry up

Management of the population would be about dealing with the dead that would start piling up as medicine gets scarce ( like food)

Disease would rage across the populated areas ( we were too stupid to make sure the population was fully vaccinated – we have no redundancy built into our system – anyone calling for vaccination measures were written as “stupid” and not knowing what they were talking about. Cold comfort for the dead.

We are very stupid

We don’t plan

We don’t prepare

We don’t organise

All we have are managers who allow plague ships to dock in Sydney CBD – no one is allowed to know who signed off the order, no one was prosecuted.

Just imagine if we were at war

wookiemeister said:

imagine if we were at war

we are

SCIENCE said:

wookiemeister said:

imagine if we were at war

we are

Funny man

wookiemeister said:

All we have are managers who allow plague ships to dock in Sydney CBD – no one is allowed to know who signed off the order, no one was prosecuted.

There, there…

Bad men gone away now. Everything ok.

There, there…

Australians have NO idea what a war is, we received minor attacks. It’s why we were able to send troops around with the US – no repercussions.

wookiemeister said:

SCIENCE said:

wookiemeister said:

imagine if we were at war

we are

Funny man

which part of dealing with an invading force of heartless killers isn’t warfare

captain_spalding said:

wookiemeister said:

All we have are managers who allow plague ships to dock in Sydney CBD – no one is allowed to know who signed off the order, no one was prosecuted.

There, there…

Bad men gone away now. Everything ok.

There, there…

Remember when your gov was still trying to send iron ore to Japan?

They allowed the british explode nukes here !

That is brainless

wookiemeister said:

All these lovely people we’ve been bringing in for decades would literally EAT us

Weren’t you born overseas?

SCIENCE said:

wookiemeister said:

SCIENCE said:

we are

Funny man

which part of dealing with an invading force of heartless killers isn’t warfare

I’m its all their pigeons coming home to roost

Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

All these lovely people we’ve been bringing in for decades would literally EAT us

Weren’t you born overseas?

Think again

wookiemeister said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

All these lovely people we’ve been bringing in for decades would literally EAT us

Weren’t you born overseas?

Think again

You are only here because the union jack was stuck in the dirt

As it is britain is collapsing , they can even work out to replace bojo because the choice are odious.

wookiemeister said:

Remember when your gov was still trying to send iron ore to Japan?

Oh, you mean the pig iron thing and the wharfies’ strike in 1938?

No, don’t remember it as such. I asked my mum about it, but as she was still looking forward to her first birthday at that time, she was a bit sketchy on details.

The fact is most people have no idea that most of the world is a basketcase

captain_spalding said:

wookiemeister said:

Remember when your gov was still trying to send iron ore to Japan?

Oh, you mean the pig iron thing and the wharfies’ strike in 1938?

No, don’t remember it as such. I asked my mum about it, but as she was still looking forward to her first birthday at that time, she was a bit sketchy on details.

Its been going on for years and accelerating

well we agree that the invaders did come to australia and fuck up the first nations peoples

wookiemeister said:

The fact is most people have no idea that most of the world is a basketcase

I do.

For a while, i had a job where i helped in the process.

SCIENCE said:

well we agree that the invaders did come to australia and fuck up the first nations peoples

There went the neighbourhood.

wookiemeister said:

captain_spalding said:

wookiemeister said:

Remember when your gov was still trying to send iron ore to Japan?

Oh, you mean the pig iron thing and the wharfies’ strike in 1938?

No, don’t remember it as such. I asked my mum about it, but as she was still looking forward to her first birthday at that time, she was a bit sketchy on details.

Its been going on for years and accelerating

Remember when America pulled out of Afghanistan leave 90 billion of hardware behind ?

I am here because my parents made the conscious decision to move here.

I am still here because I find WA to be very agreeable. Far removed and isolated from the rest of the world’s problems, even the rest of Australia’s problems.

captain_spalding said:

wookiemeister said:

The fact is most people have no idea that most of the world is a basketcase

I do.

For a while, i had a job where i helped in the process.

But never made that vital connection

party_pants said:

I am here because my parents made the conscious decision to move here.

I am still here because I find WA to be very agreeable. Far removed and isolated from the rest of the world’s problems, even the rest of Australia’s problems.

Its probably why the secret stuff ( comms/ other stuff ) is put there

wookiemeister said:

captain_spalding said:

wookiemeister said:

The fact is most people have no idea that most of the world is a basketcase

I do.

For a while, i had a job where i helped in the process.

But never made that vital connection

Oh, yeah, i knew what i was doing.

Eventually, i decided that enough was enough.

If i had to see one more eviscerated corpse, i was going to throw a tanty. So i knew it was time to quit.

100 soldiers with 1000 artillery rounds 700 rockets

3 command posts

16 nazi positions

Forcible conscription increases – untrained soldiers being sent to die on front line

17 command posts

4 grad platoons ( missiles)

2 artillery platoons

Hanger full of M777 howitzers destroyed

200 artillery positions hit loss of men/ machines

Couple of grad/ missile systems / mixed artillery

2 x su25

Mig 29

3 x UAVS

3 tochka u missiles

20 + 5 missile cache

Kingy said:

PermeateFree said:

wookiemeister said:

75 nazis 30 armoured vehicles

40 “militants” 10 weapon caches

Major losses due to desertion

M777 howitzer base destroyed with gun crews ( they tracked down where the guns shelling the breakaway regions were firing from / regrouping. 30 guncrew.

22 command posts

2 mercenaries bases

117 strikes at artillery positions

5 ammo dumps

2 x su25

15 UAV

6 missiles intercepts

Searched both Bing and Google for the above with no result from Bing and “It looks like there aren’t many great matches for your search” from Google. So would you please provide your references?

Sievierodonetsk falls

Kingy said:

wookiemeister said:

Do you want the red pill and go and find out reality

Or the blue pill, you stsyay asleep and still think Russia is losing the war ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinformation_in_the_2021%E2%80%932022_Russo-Ukrainian_crisis

Sievierodonetsk falls

Russian Army Shaken By This News: M109 Paladin Use Against Russian Army In Ukraine

Nordstream 1 – closed for maintenance

Ammo dumps of HIMARS/ M777/ 2S7

300 nazis

250 soldiers 25 armoured vehicles

Command post

10 deployment areas

200 tonnes of ATWs

27 command posts

53 artillery positions

156 troop concentration

Su 25

12 missiles in flight

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinformation_in_the_2021%E2%80%932022_Russo-Ukrainian_crisis

Kingy said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinformation_in_the_2021%E2%80%932022_Russo-Ukrainian_crisis

Sievierodonetsk falls

wookiemeister said:

Kingy said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinformation_in_the_2021%E2%80%932022_Russo-Ukrainian_crisis

Sievierodonetsk falls

Luhansk falls

roughbarked said:

Russian Army Shaken By This News: M109 Paladin Use Against Russian Army In Ukraine

Luhansk falls

wookiemeister said:

roughbarked said:

Russian Army Shaken By This News: M109 Paladin Use Against Russian Army In Ukraine

Luhansk falls

Thank you, Captain Yesterday’s News.

https://nypost.com/2022/06/26/obese-retired-russian-general-called-to-fight-in-ukraine-report/

Putin is desperate he’s using these generals now

wookiemeister said:

https://nypost.com/2022/06/26/obese-retired-russian-general-called-to-fight-in-ukraine-report/

Putin is desperate he’s using these generals now

At least this time they didn’t purge them all they have been killed whilst committing war crimes

Russia has been forced to call up a retired general, who weighs 127 kg, to be sent to the Ukraine war as its dozens of commanders are being killed on the battlefield. Major General Pavel, 67, was sent to Ukraine after a unit’s top officer was severely injured.

Pavel, who is a veteran of Russia’s calamitous war in Afghanistan, is now in-charge of troops in eastern Ukraine as Russia is running low on senior military officers.

https://www.ibtimes.sg/who-general-pavel-obese-retired-russian-general-who-weighs-127-kg-sent-ukraine-over-lack-65445

Putin ‘calls up OBESE 280lbs retired general, 67, to lead forces in Ukraine’ after ‘most of his best and battle-hardened senior commanders are killed’ in war

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/galleries/article-10954631/Putin-calls-obese-20st-retired-general-lead-forces-Ukraine.html

My god the russians are doomed

wookiemeister said:

Russia has been forced to call up a retired general, who weighs 127 kg, to be sent to the Ukraine war as its dozens of commanders are being killed on the battlefield. Major General Pavel, 67, was sent to Ukraine after a unit’s top officer was severely injured.

Pavel, who is a veteran of Russia’s calamitous war in Afghanistan, is now in-charge of troops in eastern Ukraine as Russia is running low on senior military officers.

https://www.ibtimes.sg/who-general-pavel-obese-retired-russian-general-who-weighs-127-kg-sent-ukraine-over-lack-65445

Putin ‘calls up OBESE 280lbs retired general, 67, to lead forces in Ukraine’ after ‘most of his best and battle-hardened senior commanders are killed’ in war

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/galleries/article-10954631/Putin-calls-obese-20st-retired-general-lead-forces-Ukraine.html

HIMARS sold for 800,000

wookiemeister said:

HIMARS sold for 800,000

Less than HELLOMARS that sold for 1 000,000

love nus

wookiemeister said:

HIMARS sold for 800,000

Ukraine has only received four (4) units. Think it might be missed rather quickly.

PermeateFree said:

wookiemeister said:

HIMARS sold for 800,000

Ukraine has only received four (4) units. Think it might be missed rather quickly.

You actually believe Wookie’s bullshit claims?

Witty Rejoinder said:

PermeateFree said:

wookiemeister said:

HIMARS sold for 800,000

Ukraine has only received four (4) units. Think it might be missed rather quickly.

You actually believe Wookie’s bullshit claims?

No, just proving he is talking bullshit.

15 weeks to winter

Heavy shelling

1000 soldiers gone with 100 pieces of equipment

43 mercenaries 170 injured

30 mercenaries 37 injured

Gunfight between nazis and commanders wanting them dead

Missile launchers ( number unknown)

1 command post

1 fuel storage

Multiple strikes on deployment areas

Platoon, battery of launchers and howitzers

19 command posts

200 deployment areas

1 x su24

1 x might 29

2 tochka-u

6 missiles

wookiemeister said:

15 weeks to winter

Feels like it is here already.

There’s talk of a major counter offensive against Russia

The russians are landing the first punch ( like last time)

There’s some talk of HIMARS having effect, they are using other missiles to overwhelm Russian air defenses , the HIMARS are sent whilst the SAM systems are reloading – the russians are slowly countering this

12 UAV

Has this video been posted?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcUcp0oHTuo

AU
3:51 / 15:15
How Many Artillery Shells Does Russia Have Left?

600 soldiers and associated equipment/ vehicles ets

200 nazis / mercs with 13 associated armoured vehicles

Arms dealers/ gov officials / soldiers get killed during a a business meeting

Probably not a very nice update but there’s been more than a few reports of a stench coming from the forests where the uko army had been dug in. The russians have been concentrating more on wiping out any concentration of men and machines. The Uko gov has sacked many officials recently citing incompetence.

Russian forces concentrating on HIMAR systems. Uko forces launching waves of rockets to overwhelm Russian defence systems. By all accounts the russuans have a HIMAR system to examine. A software update should fix the problem of detecting/ recognising HINAR missiles.

250 mercs

200 nazis ( aka Right Sector)

14 weeks to winter

Russia solidifies relations between itself and Iran

Putin tell the US to stop looting Syrian oil ( the US has illegally invaded syria and controls the oil wells – remember that?)

Russia turns off gas to German

wookiemeister said:

Russia turns off gas to German

I bet he or she is pissed.

Ukrainian aircraft carrying weapons and chemical weapons / drugs crashes in greece

sibeen said:

wookiemeister said:

Russia turns off gas to German

I bet he or she is pissed.

The chap who invented predictive text died earlier today. He pissed away peacefully in his sheep and his funfair is next monkey!

You’re a week late with these “news” items, Wookie. I read about them days ago.

party_pants said:

You’re a week late with these “news” items, Wookie. I read about them days ago.

Nothing to see here

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11047959/Australias-defence-forces-spend-14million-year-buying-uniforms-equipment-China.html

Nordstream 1 gas pipeline : gas flow reduced to 20 percent

13 weeks to winter

wookiemeister said:

Nordstream 1 gas pipeline : gas flow reduced to 20 percent

13 weeks to winter

Wasn’t a smart move to be reliant on Russian gas even if the Ukraine invasion hadn’t occurred.
Surely allowing an “enemy” to supply such a vital resource pretty much guarantees they will hold you to ransom by withholding supply

Cymek said:

wookiemeister said:

Nordstream 1 gas pipeline : gas flow reduced to 20 percent

13 weeks to winter

Wasn’t a smart move to be reliant on Russian gas even if the Ukraine invasion hadn’t occurred.
Surely allowing an “enemy” to supply such a vital resource pretty much guarantees they will hold you to ransom by withholding supply

Germany is about to go eco friendly

Merkel was obviously aware of the potential of a Russian invasion and the sanctions war so she got out. She got out 8/12/22, a couple of months later Russia goes in. Interestingly enough I’m seeing that not only did the UA have over 100,000 troops concentrated in the eastern corner but they had started shelling the breakaway republics relentlessly – the russians just beat them to the punch.

Military train elite troops 140 nazis, 250 wounded, various equipment

30 soldiers with missile launchers

50 soldiers with assorted equipment

30 kraken nazis and equipment

256 positions

3 missile/ artillery depots

8 command posts

1 x mig 29

2 counter radar units

2 x m777 artillery pieces

1 x mrls battery

2 x artillery battery

6 x grad launchers

3 x artillery platoon

3 x other artillery platoon

13 X UAV

6 x missiles intercepted

2 x tochka u missiles.

Roughly 1000 men get killed/ injured every day.

2 x m777 howitzers , 150 soldiers, 2000 various shells/ assorted ammo

UA forces shoot civillians to evict them from homes to house nazis/ mercenaries

4 x command posts, 182 deployment areas

2 missiles systems

3 x platoons of artillery

5 x UAV

3 x missiles, 3 x tochka u missiles shot down ( rissians can now identify himar missiles on radar)

12 weeks till winter

German gepard anti aircraft system destroyed

Su 25

Su 27

Mig 29

100 nazis 20 units of equipment

5 command posts

7 ammo dumps

Ukraine shells nuclear plant

150 soldiers 14 vehicles

80 mercs with 11 units of equipment

Russia are still losing.

wookiemeister said:

Ukraine shells nuclear plant

150 soldiers 14 vehicles

80 mercs with 11 units of equipment

Ukraine “shells their own nuclear plant”, on their own land.

Yeah, right. Have you provided any references yet, in this entire thread of crap? Or do you just repost Putins propaganda?

Published Aug 12th, 2022

Russian Defence Ministry report on the progress of the special military operation in Ukraine

▫️The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation in Ukraine.

▫️Active Allied Forces’ offensive operations have eliminated more than 50 per cent of the personnel in 14th and 66th mechanised brigades of AFU in Artemovsk and Avdeyevka directions. Mass desertions and self-willed abandonment of positions by the nationalists are being recorded.

💥Operational-tactical and army aviation, missile troops and artillery strikes continue against military facilities in Ukraine.

▫️20 brigade and battalion command posts and 8 ammunition depots near Kostantinovka, Seversk, Zaitsevo, Novoselka, Ocheretino, Vodyanoye in Donetsk People’s Republic and Trudovoye in Zaporizhzhya Region have been hit.

▫️1 missile and artillery weapons depot near Kharkov, 1 S-300 anti-aircraft missile system locator near Kramatorsk, and 264 areas of manpower, weapons, military and special equipment concentration have been destroyed.

💥As part of counter-battery warfare, 3 platoons of Grad multiple-launch rocket systems, 2 artillery platoons of Acatsiya guns and 3 platoons of D-30 howitzers have been suppressed at firing positions in Umanskoye, Krasnogorovka and Novgorodskoye in Donetsk People’s Republic.

✈️💥Russian Aerospace Forces fighter aircraft has shot down 1 Mi-24 helicopter near Nikopol’ in Dnepropetrovsk Region.

💥Russian air defence means have destroyed 7 unmanned aerial vehicles near Brigadirovka, Grakovo, Suligovka, Andreyevka, Babenkovo, Zavody and Lipchanovka of Kharkov Region.

▫️In addition, 4 shells of multiple rocket launchers have been intercepted in the air near Lisichansk.

📊In total, 267 Ukrainian airplanes and 146 helicopters, 1,727 unmanned aerial vehicles, 365 anti-aircraft missile systems, 4,287 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 797 multiple launch rocket systems, 3,290 field artillery and mortars, as well as 4,820 units of special military vehicles were destroyed during the operation.

ukraine receives the green light to continue shelling nuclear plant

wookiemeister said:

ukraine receives the green light to continue shelling nuclear plant

Uclaim the green light to continue nuclear shitting plant.

roughbarked said:

wookiemeister said:

ukraine receives the green light to continue shelling nuclear plant

Uclaim the green light to continue nuclear shitting plant.

russians took over the plant – now being shelled by ukraine

wookiemeister said:

roughbarked said:

wookiemeister said:

ukraine receives the green light to continue shelling nuclear plant

Uclaim the green light to continue nuclear shitting plant.

russians took over the plant – now being shelled by ukraine

So you say.

roughbarked said:

wookiemeister said:

roughbarked said:

Uclaim the green light to continue nuclear shitting plant.

russians took over the plant – now being shelled by ukraine

So you say.

i say

Pestilence falls

HIMARS and its ammo depot

100 nazis

wookiemeister said:

PESKI falls

HIMARS and its ammo depot

100 nazis

2000 soldiers solidar

5 control points

6 howitzer platoons

4 MLRS platoons

HIMARS projectiles intercepted

wookiemeister said:

2000 soldiers solidar

5 control points

6 howitzer platoons

4 MLRS platoons

HIMARS projectiles intercepted

Can you please refer us to your source(s)?

While there’s numerous reports of Peski now being ‘fully under Russian control’ (the majority of them from Russian propaganda sources, but some others as well), i can find none that provide such specific tallies of Ukrainian losses.

captain_spalding said:

wookiemeister said:

2000 soldiers solidar

5 control points

6 howitzer platoons

4 MLRS platoons

HIMARS projectiles intercepted

Can you please refer us to your source(s)?

While there’s numerous reports of Peski now being ‘fully under Russian control’ (the majority of them from Russian propaganda sources, but some others as well), i can find none that provide such specific tallies of Ukrainian losses.

What would Ukraine gain by under reporting their losses?

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

wookiemeister said:

2000 soldiers solidar

5 control points

6 howitzer platoons

4 MLRS platoons

HIMARS projectiles intercepted

Can you please refer us to your source(s)?

While there’s numerous reports of Peski now being ‘fully under Russian control’ (the majority of them from Russian propaganda sources, but some others as well), i can find none that provide such specific tallies of Ukrainian losses.

What would Ukraine gain by under reporting their losses?

I’m not saying that the figures given are correct, or that they’re incorrect. I just can’t find any source for them. Although, i admit that i haven’t checked any Ukrainian government sources as i thought it less likely that they’d provide such numbers.

I was looking more for ‘independent’ or third-party sources, but even the Russian propaganda sources don’t seem to have figures like those quoted.

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

Can you please refer us to your source(s)?

While there’s numerous reports of Peski now being ‘fully under Russian control’ (the majority of them from Russian propaganda sources, but some others as well), i can find none that provide such specific tallies of Ukrainian losses.

What would Ukraine gain by under reporting their losses?

I’m not saying that the figures given are correct, or that they’re incorrect. I just can’t find any source for them. Although, i admit that i haven’t checked any Ukrainian government sources as i thought it less likely that they’d provide such numbers.

I was looking more for ‘independent’ or third-party sources, but even the Russian propaganda sources don’t seem to have figures like those quoted.

The Russians are only releasing bullshit results as far as I can see. At the very least, they can’t be quoted with any certainty.

roughbarked said:

The Russians are only releasing bullshit results as far as I can see. At the very least, they can’t be quoted with any certainty.

On the Russian pages, it seems that everyone in Ukraine is considered to be a Nazi.

While this might explain why the Russians felt entitled to line up whole families in Bucha and shoot them, small children included, it doesn’t give any clue as to how Nazism metamorphosed into a movement which will tolerate a Jew as its President, and which will arm Ukrainian Jews and allow them to serve in its military forces.

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

The Russians are only releasing bullshit results as far as I can see. At the very least, they can’t be quoted with any certainty.

On the Russian pages, it seems that everyone in Ukraine is considered to be a Nazi.

While this might explain why the Russians felt entitled to line up whole families in Bucha and shoot them, small children included, it doesn’t give any clue as to how Nazism metamorphosed into a movement which will tolerate a Jew as its President, and which will arm Ukrainian Jews and allow them to serve in its military forces.

Indeed.