Date: 24/06/2022 06:34:56
From: monkey skipper
ID: 1900172
Subject: Large-Scale Experiment Used Human Pee to Fertilize Crops

A Large-Scale Experiment Used Human Pee to Fertilize Crops. Here’s What Happened
Tessa Koumoundouros – Yesterday 4:33 pm

These days, peeing on your food plants may be considered a gross and wacky gardening hack, despite the practice having been proven beneficial for thousands of years.

But our modern squeamishness has meant gardeners and farmers alike must resort to expensive fertilizers to provide their crops with the much-needed nutrients found free in our pee.

Yet some of the farmers most in need of these additional nutrients often don’t have access to fertilizers. Many farmers, like those in remote regions of the Republic of Niger, are facing depleting soil nutrients on top of harsher weather conditions and are struggling to produce crops.

So a team led by National Institute of Agricultural Research of Niger researcher Hannatou Moussa looked into resurrecting this ancient practice, which is being used in parts of Asia, of using pee as fertilizer, with some modern twists of course, like sanitizing it to keep everyone safe.

A group of Niger women volunteered to help Moussa and colleagues test the urine fertilizer on their farms. In these harsh lands of sub-Saharan Africa, women contribute a higher share of labor for food production than men, but they do not have control of the land or resources, nor easy access to information.

These women often end up with the most nutrient-poor fields on which to grow a regional staple grain – pearl millet (Cenchrus americanus).

First, the women named the fertilizing product Oga, which translates to ‘the boss’ in the Igbo language. This was to help smooth over the social, religious and cultural barriers to open discussions on the use of human urine.

The volunteers were then divided into two groups – the first continued using their traditional farming methods, while the second applied Oga, with and without animal manure, to their experimental plots after receiving training on how to safely use it.

Making industrial fertilizer usually involves intensive mining of ores containing phosphorus and potassium. Burning natural gas at high temperatures sequesters the much-needed nitrogen from the air we breathe – in one of the most CO2-intensive chemical making reactions. Among many other things, plants use all three of these elements for photosynthesis.

Yet our urine is packed full of phosphorus, potassium and nitrogen already in an easy-to-access form.

What’s more, compared to our poop, pee is relatively sterile when it leaves our bodies thanks to the ammonia in it. Just passively storing canisters in temperatures between 22 to 24 °C (71 to 75 °F) for 2 to 3 months is enough to destroy remaining pathogens that can withstand long periods within the acidic liquid.

So the women were trained in this sanitization process and how to dilute the resulting Oga for use. For the first few years they applied the Oga in combination with organic manure, and when that was successful they were game enough to try Oga alone.

Across three years (2014 to 2016) and 681 trials, those who used Oga experienced an average 30 percent increase in pearl millet yield. The difference was so clear that many other women in the area started using Oga.

“Oga is a low risk, low financial input fertilizer option ready for dissemination on sandy Sahelian sites with low pearl millet yield level,” the researchers wrote in their paper.

If we used this product in industrialized countries too it could not only increase crop yields and reduce the fossil fuel intensive resources needed to grow them but make our sanitation systems more sustainable as well. Groups in Sweden, the US and Australia are also looking into using widespread urine fertilizer.

“Millions and millions of dollars a year are spent trying to treat our waste before it goes into receiving waters for acceptable nitrogen and phosphorus criteria,” Griffith University environmental health researcher Cara Beal told the Australian Broadcasting Corporation earlier this year, when discussing possible Australian trials.

“But if we can close that nutrient loop it’d be very sensible in terms of sustainability, the circular economy and looking after our planet a little bit better.”

Two years after the experiment in Niger, more than a thousand women farmers had begun using Oga to fertilize their crops.

This research was published in Agronomy for Sustainable Development.

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Date: 24/06/2022 07:23:39
From: Michael V
ID: 1900177
Subject: re: Large-Scale Experiment Used Human Pee to Fertilize Crops

Good.

I urinate on the back lawn day and night. It seems to improve growth, provided I don’t continually use the same spot.

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Date: 24/06/2022 07:40:34
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1900181
Subject: re: Large-Scale Experiment Used Human Pee to Fertilize Crops

And herein lies one of the greatest problems in recycling. And one of the greatest potentials.

Human pee contains urea which is used as fertiliser, has been used as fertiliser for millions of years.

But human pee also contains salt, which kills off plants. So you can ONLY grow salt-tolerant crops this way, and it makes the ground infertile if used for a long time without flushing with fresh water.

I’m familiar with the problem because the sewage treatment plant at Werribee south west of Melbourne sells waste product to farmers for crop fertilisation. Despite many attempts over many years, all attempts to remove salt from human pee also removes fertilising compounds. Nanofiltration and electrophoresis don’t work.

So, if you’re using human pee to fertilise crops, you must insist that the humans are on a low salt diet.

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Date: 24/06/2022 07:55:05
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 1900183
Subject: re: Large-Scale Experiment Used Human Pee to Fertilize Crops

Michael V said:


Good.

I urinate on the back lawn day and night. It seems to improve growth, provided I don’t continually use the same spot.

I’ll often have a leak outside, to reduce our water consumption by not having the flush the toilet, but I noticed years ago that if I peed in the same place it’d kill the grass.

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Date: 24/06/2022 08:17:40
From: Tamb
ID: 1900189
Subject: re: Large-Scale Experiment Used Human Pee to Fertilize Crops

Spiny Norman said:


Michael V said:

Good.

I urinate on the back lawn day and night. It seems to improve growth, provided I don’t continually use the same spot.

I’ll often have a leak outside, to reduce our water consumption by not having the flush the toilet, but I noticed years ago that if I peed in the same place it’d kill the grass.


It’s possible to have too much of a good thing.

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Date: 24/06/2022 08:34:48
From: roughbarked
ID: 1900191
Subject: re: Large-Scale Experiment Used Human Pee to Fertilize Crops

Tamb said:


Spiny Norman said:

Michael V said:

Good.

I urinate on the back lawn day and night. It seems to improve growth, provided I don’t continually use the same spot.

I’ll often have a leak outside, to reduce our water consumption by not having the flush the toilet, but I noticed years ago that if I peed in the same place it’d kill the grass.


It’s possible to have too much of a good thing.

I’ve been pissing in the same spot for decades. Anyone who kills the grass must have acidic pee.

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Date: 24/06/2022 14:58:56
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1900358
Subject: re: Large-Scale Experiment Used Human Pee to Fertilize Crops

Michael V said:


Good.

I urinate on the back lawn day and night. It seems to improve growth, provided I don’t continually use the same spot.

You are probably an interesting topic of conversation in your neighborhood.

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Date: 24/06/2022 15:01:43
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1900360
Subject: re: Large-Scale Experiment Used Human Pee to Fertilize Crops

PermeateFree said:


Michael V said:

Good.

I urinate on the back lawn day and night. It seems to improve growth, provided I don’t continually use the same spot.

You are probably an interesting topic of conversation in your neighborhood.

Urine does promote growth with the right soil conditions.

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Date: 24/06/2022 15:14:33
From: Michael V
ID: 1900371
Subject: re: Large-Scale Experiment Used Human Pee to Fertilize Crops

PermeateFree said:


Michael V said:

Good.

I urinate on the back lawn day and night. It seems to improve growth, provided I don’t continually use the same spot.

You are probably an interesting topic of conversation in your neighborhood.

Possibly, but I don’t listen to the hamlet’s gossips, so I cannot confirm.

However, because of the layout of the buildings etc, almost the only way to see into the back yard is from the air.

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Date: 24/06/2022 15:31:29
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1900374
Subject: re: Large-Scale Experiment Used Human Pee to Fertilize Crops

Michael V said:


PermeateFree said:

Michael V said:

Good.

I urinate on the back lawn day and night. It seems to improve growth, provided I don’t continually use the same spot.

You are probably an interesting topic of conversation in your neighborhood.

Possibly, but I don’t listen to the hamlet’s gossips, so I cannot confirm.

However, because of the layout of the buildings etc, almost the only way to see into the back yard is from the air.

I do the same. I live a bit more rural than you so I’m safe.

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Date: 24/06/2022 15:48:29
From: roughbarked
ID: 1900385
Subject: re: Large-Scale Experiment Used Human Pee to Fertilize Crops

ChrispenEvan said:


Michael V said:

PermeateFree said:

You are probably an interesting topic of conversation in your neighborhood.

Possibly, but I don’t listen to the hamlet’s gossips, so I cannot confirm.

However, because of the layout of the buildings etc, almost the only way to see into the back yard is from the air.

I do the same. I live a bit more rural than you so I’m safe.

I’ve got plenty tree cover.

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Date: 24/06/2022 18:34:15
From: party_pants
ID: 1900433
Subject: re: Large-Scale Experiment Used Human Pee to Fertilize Crops

mollwollfumble said:


And herein lies one of the greatest problems in recycling. And one of the greatest potentials.

Human pee contains urea which is used as fertiliser, has been used as fertiliser for millions of years.

But human pee also contains salt, which kills off plants. So you can ONLY grow salt-tolerant crops this way, and it makes the ground infertile if used for a long time without flushing with fresh water.

I’m familiar with the problem because the sewage treatment plant at Werribee south west of Melbourne sells waste product to farmers for crop fertilisation. Despite many attempts over many years, all attempts to remove salt from human pee also removes fertilising compounds. Nanofiltration and electrophoresis don’t work.

So, if you’re using human pee to fertilise crops, you must insist that the humans are on a low salt diet.

You need to manage drainage so the salt leeches away with heavy rains and does not accumulate in the soil.

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Date: 24/06/2022 19:27:27
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1900464
Subject: re: Large-Scale Experiment Used Human Pee to Fertilize Crops

party_pants said:


mollwollfumble said:

And herein lies one of the greatest problems in recycling. And one of the greatest potentials.

Human pee contains urea which is used as fertiliser, has been used as fertiliser for millions of years.

But human pee also contains salt, which kills off plants. So you can ONLY grow salt-tolerant crops this way, and it makes the ground infertile if used for a long time without flushing with fresh water.

I’m familiar with the problem because the sewage treatment plant at Werribee south west of Melbourne sells waste product to farmers for crop fertilisation. Despite many attempts over many years, all attempts to remove salt from human pee also removes fertilising compounds. Nanofiltration and electrophoresis don’t work.

So, if you’re using human pee to fertilise crops, you must insist that the humans are on a low salt diet.

You need to manage drainage so the salt leeches away with heavy rains and does not accumulate in the soil.

And more! In Australian climates you need to dilute the pee with water as well, before application.
Uses a lot of water.

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Date: 24/06/2022 19:34:59
From: party_pants
ID: 1900470
Subject: re: Large-Scale Experiment Used Human Pee to Fertilize Crops

mollwollfumble said:


party_pants said:

mollwollfumble said:

And herein lies one of the greatest problems in recycling. And one of the greatest potentials.

Human pee contains urea which is used as fertiliser, has been used as fertiliser for millions of years.

But human pee also contains salt, which kills off plants. So you can ONLY grow salt-tolerant crops this way, and it makes the ground infertile if used for a long time without flushing with fresh water.

I’m familiar with the problem because the sewage treatment plant at Werribee south west of Melbourne sells waste product to farmers for crop fertilisation. Despite many attempts over many years, all attempts to remove salt from human pee also removes fertilising compounds. Nanofiltration and electrophoresis don’t work.

So, if you’re using human pee to fertilise crops, you must insist that the humans are on a low salt diet.

You need to manage drainage so the salt leeches away with heavy rains and does not accumulate in the soil.

And more! In Australian climates you need to dilute the pee with water as well, before application.
Uses a lot of water.

what about some biological process that can absorb the phosphates and be scooped up or filtered out of the water?

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Date: 24/06/2022 20:15:23
From: monkey skipper
ID: 1900495
Subject: re: Large-Scale Experiment Used Human Pee to Fertilize Crops

party_pants said:


mollwollfumble said:

party_pants said:

You need to manage drainage so the salt leeches away with heavy rains and does not accumulate in the soil.

And more! In Australian climates you need to dilute the pee with water as well, before application.
Uses a lot of water.

what about some biological process that can absorb the phosphates and be scooped up or filtered out of the water?

I did note that none of the forum ladies had been doing the same experiment on their lawns.

I guess not draining the fluid if helping in arid regions where water is already a scarce resource like the interior of Australia and certainly desert regions in the middle east, for example.

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