Who is included when people talk about “the courts”?
Judges of course.
Also clerks and assistants?
Also barristers?
Also solicitors?
Also coroner?
Also expert witnesses?
Also police?
Also court jester?

mollwollfumble said:

Who is included when people talk about “the courts”?
Judges of course.
Also clerks and assistants?
Also barristers?
Also solicitors?
Also coroner?
Also expert witnesses?
Also police?
Also court jester?

Prisoners or accused held in court jails or police cells next to the courts?

mollwollfumble said:

Who is included when people talk about “the courts”?
Judges of course.
Also clerks and assistants?
Also barristers?
Also solicitors?
Also coroner?
Also expert witnesses?
Also police?
Also court jester?

I would say the courts would be implying those that make their money DIRECTLY from the legal system

Tau.Neutrino said:

mollwollfumble said:

Who is included when people talk about “the courts”?
Judges of course.
Also clerks and assistants?
Also barristers?
Also solicitors?
Also coroner?
Also expert witnesses?
Also police?
Also court jester?

Prisoners or accused held in court jails or police cells next to the courts?

Registrar
Associate
a court reporter
Tipstaff
Corrective services officer
Court officer
bailiff.
the plaintiff,
the defendant,
witnesses,
court interpreters
jurors.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

mollwollfumble said:

Who is included when people talk about “the courts”?
Judges of course.
Also clerks and assistants?
Also barristers?
Also solicitors?
Also coroner?
Also expert witnesses?
Also police?
Also court jester?

Prisoners or accused held in court jails or police cells next to the courts?

Registrar
Associate
a court reporter
Tipstaff
Corrective services officer
Court officer
bailiff.
the plaintiff,
the defendant,
witnesses,
court interpreters
jurors.

Media reporters, different to the court reporter who types things.

wookiemeister said:

mollwollfumble said:

Who is included when people talk about “the courts”?
Judges of course.
Also clerks and assistants?
Also barristers?
Also solicitors?
Also coroner?
Also expert witnesses?
Also police?
Also court jester?

I would say the courts would be implying those that make their money DIRECTLY from the legal system

Those directly paid by the system for legal services

Judges
Magistrates
Lawyers prosecution ( or defence)

wookiemeister said:

wookiemeister said:

mollwollfumble said:

Who is included when people talk about “the courts”?
Judges of course.
Also clerks and assistants?
Also barristers?
Also solicitors?
Also coroner?
Also expert witnesses?
Also police?
Also court jester?

I would say the courts would be implying those that make their money DIRECTLY from the legal system

Those directly paid by the system for legal services

Judges
Magistrates
Lawyers prosecution ( or defence)

Isn’t a coroner someone who investigates ? They make no rulings and aren’t involved in direct prosecution/ defence

I read that sophistry / philosophy / rhetoric actually developed as a way to deal with courts

An Athenian/ Greek court may well have jurors but you defended yourself – no defence counsel. By having the skills of rhetoric you could defend yourself in court

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Prisoners or accused held in court jails or police cells next to the courts?

Registrar
Associate
a court reporter
Tipstaff
Corrective services officer
Court officer
bailiff.
the plaintiff,
the defendant,
witnesses,
court interpreters
jurors.

Media reporters, different to the court reporter who types things.

Informant
Prosecutor
Respondent
Bench Clerk

Magistrates magic 8 ball

Judges cat sitter

Associate
also Judges Associate

Another to consider apart from the actual movers and shakers and physical books of law is the intangible – you have people and books of law but it’s the alliances, connections and understanding between individuals as to practice/ interpretation of law. The courts can be used to “get” someone – Assange is bottled up in a British prison waiting to be shipped to yankland because he exposed war crimes – madame justice will sell her wares on the street corner for the right client.

The courts are not about justice, its a legal system – not a justice system. The courts are used by the body politic to deliver the right blow where and when necessary.

I suppose the law as we know it has been handed down from religion, the funny clothing, the funny rituals, an elite that moves in a rarified atmosphere without peer – years past you might enter the church or enter the court to make a career.

wookiemeister said:

Another to consider apart from the actual movers and shakers and physical books of law is the intangible – you have people and books of law but it’s the alliances, connections and understanding between individuals as to practice/ interpretation of law. The courts can be used to “get” someone – Assange is bottled up in a British prison waiting to be shipped to yankland because he exposed war crimes – madame justice will sell her wares on the street corner for the right client.

The courts are not about justice, its a legal system – not a justice system. The courts are used by the body politic to deliver the right blow where and when necessary.

I suppose the law as we know it has been handed down from religion, the funny clothing, the funny rituals, an elite that moves in a rarified atmosphere without peer – years past you might enter the church or enter the court to make a career.

The Assange thing is disgraceful, he comes across as perhaps a bit of prat, he pretty much did something illegal to expose war crimes, embarrassed the wrong people

Cymek said:

wookiemeister said:

Another to consider apart from the actual movers and shakers and physical books of law is the intangible – you have people and books of law but it’s the alliances, connections and understanding between individuals as to practice/ interpretation of law. The courts can be used to “get” someone – Assange is bottled up in a British prison waiting to be shipped to yankland because he exposed war crimes – madame justice will sell her wares on the street corner for the right client.

The courts are not about justice, its a legal system – not a justice system. The courts are used by the body politic to deliver the right blow where and when necessary.

I suppose the law as we know it has been handed down from religion, the funny clothing, the funny rituals, an elite that moves in a rarified atmosphere without peer – years past you might enter the church or enter the court to make a career.

The Assange thing is disgraceful, he comes across as perhaps a bit of prat, he pretty much did something illegal to expose war crimes, embarrassed the wrong people

Strictly speaking he just received the information – he didnt ask for it

His mistake is that he underestimated the enemy. He should have done a snowden and disappeared deep into Russia to become a thorn in the “liberal” west.

I knew something was very wrong when I saw the crazy horse 1 footage of killing civillians.

They are only good at fighting civillians and “insurgents”

There’s other footage of them killing farmers working in the fields of a night.

wookiemeister said:

Cymek said:

wookiemeister said:

Another to consider apart from the actual movers and shakers and physical books of law is the intangible – you have people and books of law but it’s the alliances, connections and understanding between individuals as to practice/ interpretation of law. The courts can be used to “get” someone – Assange is bottled up in a British prison waiting to be shipped to yankland because he exposed war crimes – madame justice will sell her wares on the street corner for the right client.

The courts are not about justice, its a legal system – not a justice system. The courts are used by the body politic to deliver the right blow where and when necessary.

I suppose the law as we know it has been handed down from religion, the funny clothing, the funny rituals, an elite that moves in a rarified atmosphere without peer – years past you might enter the church or enter the court to make a career.

The Assange thing is disgraceful, he comes across as perhaps a bit of prat, he pretty much did something illegal to expose war crimes, embarrassed the wrong people

Strictly speaking he just received the information – he didnt ask for it

His mistake is that he underestimated the enemy. He should have done a snowden and disappeared deep into Russia to become a thorn in the “liberal” west.

I mean I support what he did, war crimes are wrong no matter who you are but we seemingly excuse ourselves.
OK perhaps we aren’t as bad as the Russians are in the Ukraine but we could just be better at covering it up
Who knows the civilians deaths in wars we have been involved in

Cymek said:

wookiemeister said:

Cymek said:

The Assange thing is disgraceful, he comes across as perhaps a bit of prat, he pretty much did something illegal to expose war crimes, embarrassed the wrong people

Strictly speaking he just received the information – he didnt ask for it

His mistake is that he underestimated the enemy. He should have done a snowden and disappeared deep into Russia to become a thorn in the “liberal” west.

I mean I support what he did, war crimes are wrong no matter who you are but we seemingly excuse ourselves.
OK perhaps we aren’t as bad as the Russians are in the Ukraine but we could just be better at covering it up
Who knows the civilians deaths in wars we have been involved in

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