https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-08/former-japanese-prime-minister-shinzo-abe-shot-live-updates-blog/101221152

Probably should put it in its own thread.

I mean I suppose it is good news that an hour after the shooting they’ve not announced his death?

But when someone is shot in the back using a shotgun but has obv chest wounds it’s hardly going to be great.

dv said:

I mean I suppose it is good news that an hour after the shooting they’ve not announced his death?

But when someone is shot in the back using a shotgun but has obv chest wounds it’s hardly going to be great.

The term heart failure means the heart cannot sufficiently pump blood and supply necessary oxygen to the rest of the body.

In Japan, officials sometimes use the term to describe situations where victims are no longer alive but before a formal declaration of death has been made.

- Associated Press

I don’t know much about Japanese politics, did he he do anything that really pissed off someone enough that they’d want revenge? Maybe it was thr north Koreans…

furious said:

I don’t know much about Japanese politics, did he he do anything that really pissed off someone enough that they’d want revenge? Maybe it was thr north Koreans…

He was quite a moderate middle of the road kind of politician, nothing wacky

furious said:

I don’t know much about Japanese politics, did he he do anything that really pissed off someone enough that they’d want revenge? Maybe it was thr north Koreans…

It did occur to me that his quest to change Japan’s pacifist constitution could have pissed off some peacenik but to then employ a weapon seemed a little too ironic.

so continues the decline of civilization, a massive demand for news to feed a massive market, news to go between the advertisements, latter more inseparable every day

a constant demand for misfortune, even catastrophe, inviting it

transition said:

so continues the decline of civilization, a massive demand for news to feed a massive market, news to go between the advertisements, latter more inseparable every day

a constant demand for misfortune, even catastrophe, inviting it

So, you’re saying the news network did it? Or the advertising executives?

transition said:

so continues the decline of civilization, a massive demand for news to feed a massive market, news to go between the advertisements, latter more inseparable every day

a constant demand for misfortune, even catastrophe, inviting it

What

dv said:

transition said:

so continues the decline of civilization, a massive demand for news to feed a massive market, news to go between the advertisements, latter more inseparable every day

a constant demand for misfortune, even catastrophe, inviting it

What

blather.

Bogsnorkler said:

dv said:

transition said:

so continues the decline of civilization, a massive demand for news to feed a massive market, news to go between the advertisements, latter more inseparable every day

a constant demand for misfortune, even catastrophe, inviting it

What

blather.

Quite.

Assassination is not a modern advent…

dv said:

Bogsnorkler said:

dv said:

What

blather.

Quite.

Assassination is not a modern advent…

but it is to go between the advertisements, the news, and no shortage of news presently, and doesn’t seem likely to stabilize to a happy equilibrium soon

transition said:

dv said:

Bogsnorkler said:

blather.

Quite.

Assassination is not a modern advent…

but it is to go between the advertisements, the news, and no shortage of news presently, and doesn’t seem likely to stabilize to a happy equilibrium soon

Japan has a particularly long history of political assassination, often by ‘lone’ extremists.

It was so frequent in the 1930s that the phrase ‘government by assassination’ was frequently used when describing Japanese politics of the time. More than involved in the government of Japan in the 1940s and 1950s had bullets lodged in their bodies or knife scars from assassination attempts.

In 1960, an assassination was captured on camera, when Inejirō Asanuma (浅沼 稲次郎, Asanuma Inejirō), chairman of the Japan Socialist Party, was assassinated at Hibiya Public Hall in Tokyo. During a televised debate, a 17-year-old right-wing ultranationalist named Otoya Yamaguchi charged onto the stage and fatally stabbed Asanuma with a wakizashi (a type of traditional short sword).

To suggest that this violent incident has somehow been provoked by media pressure is to draw a long bow.

In fact, what’s more remarkable is the Japanese politics has, until now, enjoyed a comparatively long period without serious violence.

‘More than involved ‘ should read ‘More than one person involved’

Interesting weapon.

captain_spalding said:

transition said:

dv said:

Quite.

Assassination is not a modern advent…

but it is to go between the advertisements, the news, and no shortage of news presently, and doesn’t seem likely to stabilize to a happy equilibrium soon

Japan has a particularly long history of political assassination, often by ‘lone’ extremists.

It was so frequent in the 1930s that the phrase ‘government by assassination’ was frequently used when describing Japanese politics of the time. More than involved in the government of Japan in the 1940s and 1950s had bullets lodged in their bodies or knife scars from assassination attempts.

In 1960, an assassination was captured on camera, when Inejirō Asanuma (浅沼 稲次郎, Asanuma Inejirō), chairman of the Japan Socialist Party, was assassinated at Hibiya Public Hall in Tokyo. During a televised debate, a 17-year-old right-wing ultranationalist named Otoya Yamaguchi charged onto the stage and fatally stabbed Asanuma with a wakizashi (a type of traditional short sword).

To suggest that this violent incident has somehow been provoked by media pressure is to draw a long bow.

In fact, what’s more remarkable is the Japanese politics has, until now, enjoyed a comparatively long period without serious violence.

>To suggest that this violent incident has somehow been provoked by media pressure is to draw a long bow.

I didn’t say that, suggest or infer

transition said:

captain_spalding said:

transition said:

but it is to go between the advertisements, the news, and no shortage of news presently, and doesn’t seem likely to stabilize to a happy equilibrium soon

Japan has a particularly long history of political assassination, often by ‘lone’ extremists.

It was so frequent in the 1930s that the phrase ‘government by assassination’ was frequently used when describing Japanese politics of the time. More than involved in the government of Japan in the 1940s and 1950s had bullets lodged in their bodies or knife scars from assassination attempts.

In 1960, an assassination was captured on camera, when Inejirō Asanuma (浅沼 稲次郎, Asanuma Inejirō), chairman of the Japan Socialist Party, was assassinated at Hibiya Public Hall in Tokyo. During a televised debate, a 17-year-old right-wing ultranationalist named Otoya Yamaguchi charged onto the stage and fatally stabbed Asanuma with a wakizashi (a type of traditional short sword).

To suggest that this violent incident has somehow been provoked by media pressure is to draw a long bow.

In fact, what’s more remarkable is the Japanese politics has, until now, enjoyed a comparatively long period without serious violence.

>To suggest that this violent incident has somehow been provoked by media pressure is to draw a long bow.

I didn’t say that, suggest or infer

Transition:

“a constant demand for misfortune, even catastrophe, inviting it”

captain_spalding said:

transition said:

captain_spalding said:

Japan has a particularly long history of political assassination, often by ‘lone’ extremists.

It was so frequent in the 1930s that the phrase ‘government by assassination’ was frequently used when describing Japanese politics of the time. More than involved in the government of Japan in the 1940s and 1950s had bullets lodged in their bodies or knife scars from assassination attempts.

In 1960, an assassination was captured on camera, when Inejirō Asanuma (浅沼 稲次郎, Asanuma Inejirō), chairman of the Japan Socialist Party, was assassinated at Hibiya Public Hall in Tokyo. During a televised debate, a 17-year-old right-wing ultranationalist named Otoya Yamaguchi charged onto the stage and fatally stabbed Asanuma with a wakizashi (a type of traditional short sword).

To suggest that this violent incident has somehow been provoked by media pressure is to draw a long bow.

In fact, what’s more remarkable is the Japanese politics has, until now, enjoyed a comparatively long period without serious violence.

>To suggest that this violent incident has somehow been provoked by media pressure is to draw a long bow.

I didn’t say that, suggest or infer

Transition:

“a constant demand for misfortune, even catastrophe, inviting it”

that’s something of systems theory view of demand for news, demand from an audience, influence of

transition said:

captain_spalding said:

transition said:

>To suggest that this violent incident has somehow been provoked by media pressure is to draw a long bow.

I didn’t say that, suggest or infer

Transition:

“a constant demand for misfortune, even catastrophe, inviting it”

that’s something of systems theory view of demand for news, demand from an audience, influence of

If we’re not clearly understanding what it is that you mean to say, then that may be partly due to it not being quite clear that you understand what you mean to say.

don’t know about yous but

Public broadcaster NHK said Mr Abe appeared to have been shot from behind by a man with a shotgun. An NHK reporter on the scene said they heard two consecutive bangs.

Mr Abe was reportedly hit on the left side of his chest and apparently also in the neck. He was taken to hospital and reportedly was in cardio and pulmonary arrest.

that sounds very much like “dead” to us

Dark Orange said:

Interesting weapon.

Home made weapon?

Dark Orange said:

Interesting weapon.

Might well be a home-made shotgun.

If you think guns are hard to get here in Australia, then you’d not believe how hard it is to obtain one of any kind in Japan.

captain_spalding said:

transition said:

captain_spalding said:

Transition:

“a constant demand for misfortune, even catastrophe, inviting it”

that’s something of systems theory view of demand for news, demand from an audience, influence of

If we’re not clearly understanding what it is that you mean to say, then that may be partly due to it not being quite clear that you understand what you mean to say.

I put my two cents worth in, i’m not feeling territorially inclined about it

if I had a point it was that demand for news has great capacity to create news

anyway what’s the big deal

Shinzo Abe, then 52, took office in 2006 as Japan’s youngest prime minister since World War Two.

so he’s over 65, was going to die anyway

SCIENCE said:

anyway what’s the big deal

Shinzo Abe, then 52, took office in 2006 as Japan’s youngest prime minister since World War Two.

so he’s over 65, was going to die anyway

better to go out with a bang, or two in this case.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinzo_Abe

Shinzo Abe is a Japanese politician who served as Prime Minister of Japan and President of the Liberal Democratic Party from 2006 to 2007 and again from 2012 to 2020. He was the longest-serving prime minister in Japanese history

transition said:

captain_spalding said:

transition said:

that’s something of systems theory view of demand for news, demand from an audience, influence of

If we’re not clearly understanding what it is that you mean to say, then that may be partly due to it not being quite clear that you understand what you mean to say.

I put my two cents worth in, i’m not feeling territorially inclined about it

if I had a point it was that demand for news has great capacity to create news

And you then declared that you had not stated or suggested that actions that produce ‘news’, in particular this incident, result from media pressure.

captain_spalding said:

transition said:

captain_spalding said:

If we’re not clearly understanding what it is that you mean to say, then that may be partly due to it not being quite clear that you understand what you mean to say.

I put my two cents worth in, i’m not feeling territorially inclined about it

if I had a point it was that demand for news has great capacity to create news

And you then declared that you had not stated or suggested that actions that produce ‘news’, in particular this incident, result from media pressure.

so you’re newsiastic, me not so much

Well that’s not the best news is it.

I don’t get why you would bother murdering someone not in power anymore…

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

Well that’s not the best news is it.

I don’t get why you would bother murdering someone not in power anymore…

Maybe they hadn’t been following the news for some time.

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

Well that’s not the best news is it.

I don’t get why you would bother murdering someone not in power anymore…

He was on the campaign trail performing a speech.

Whether it was for himself or for some-one else I’m not sure.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

Well that’s not the best news is it.

I don’t get why you would bother murdering someone not in power anymore…

He was on the campaign trail performing a speech.

Whether it was for himself or for some-one else I’m not sure.

Someone else

Japanese PM Fumio Kishida press conference:

Shinzo Abe is still alive but in a critical condition.

“At this moment, doctors are working very hard to save Mr Abe,” Mr Kishida said.

Michael V said:

Japanese PM Fumio Kishida press conference:

Shinzo Abe is still alive but in a critical condition.

“At this moment, doctors are working very hard to save Mr Abe,” Mr Kishida said.

Well that’s something. Wow.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-08/former-japanese-prime-minister-shinzo-abe-shot-what-we-know/101221292

Looks like the weapon was concealed in a camera..

Arts said:

Looks like the weapon was concealed in a camera..

they are saying sawn off shot gun… but looks like a long lens to me..

that’s pretty clever (terrifying, but clever)

Arts said:

Arts said:

Looks like the weapon was concealed in a camera..

they are saying sawn off shot gun… but looks like a long lens to me..

that’s pretty clever (terrifying, but clever)

Dark Orange said:

Arts said:

Arts said:

Looks like the weapon was concealed in a camera..

they are saying sawn off shot gun… but looks like a long lens to me..

that’s pretty clever (terrifying, but clever)

better shot… ta… but still. how fucking terrifying is a gun in a hollowed out camera lens?

Arts said:

Dark Orange said:

Arts said:

they are saying sawn off shot gun… but looks like a long lens to me..

that’s pretty clever (terrifying, but clever)

better shot… ta… but still. how fucking terrifying is a gun in a hollowed out camera lens?

It has a high terrifying value for sure.

Now everyone will be looking out for long lenses that look a bit off.

Arts said:

Dark Orange said:

Arts said:

they are saying sawn off shot gun… but looks like a long lens to me..

that’s pretty clever (terrifying, but clever)

better shot… ta… but still. how fucking terrifying is a gun in a hollowed out camera lens?

Japanese cops/security would have been taken by surprise because nobody in Japan other than cops, armed forces, and yakuza has guns.

And, under the unstated gentlemens’/power-sharing agreement between those groups, no-one actually uses them

What’s the bet for a right wing nutter?

Tau.Neutrino said:

What’s the bet for a right wing nutter?

Bloody short odds, indeed.

Tau.Neutrino said:

What’s the bet for a right wing nutter?

More likely a left wing nutter. Shinzo Abe was a nationalist very much concerned with restoring Japan’s full defensive military capacities.

Bubblecar said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

What’s the bet for a right wing nutter?

More likely a left wing nutter. Shinzo Abe was a nationalist very much concerned with restoring Japan’s full defensive military capacities.

From Wiki:

Abe is a conservative whom political commentators have widely described as a right-wing Japanese nationalist. He is a member of Nippon Kaigi and holds negationist views on Japanese history, including denying the role of government coercion in the recruitment of comfort women during World War II, a position which has created tension with neighboring South Korea. He is considered a hard-liner with respect to North Korea, and advocates revising Article 9 of the pacifist Japanese constitution to permit Japan to maintain military forces. Abe’s premiership was known internationally for his government’s economic policies, nicknamed Abenomics, which pursued monetary easing, fiscal stimulus, and structural reforms.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinzo_Abe

Bubblecar said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

What’s the bet for a right wing nutter?

More likely a left wing nutter. Shinzo Abe was a nationalist very much concerned with restoring Japan’s full defensive military capacities.

The perp is a military man.

dv said:

Bubblecar said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

What’s the bet for a right wing nutter?

More likely a left wing nutter. Shinzo Abe was a nationalist very much concerned with restoring Japan’s full defensive military capacities.

The perp is a military man.

There you are then, who can fathom these things.

Possibly just a nut-wing nutter.

Bubblecar said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

What’s the bet for a right wing nutter?

More likely a left wing nutter. Shinzo Abe was a nationalist very much concerned with restoring Japan’s full defensive military capacities.

The history of Japanese politics is replete with examples of assassinations and attempted assassinations of politicians of e.g. right-wing politicians/leader by right-wing fanatics who didn’t think that those politicians/leaders were sufficiently right-wing i.e. ‘failing/betraying the cause’.

captain_spalding said:

Bubblecar said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

What’s the bet for a right wing nutter?

More likely a left wing nutter. Shinzo Abe was a nationalist very much concerned with restoring Japan’s full defensive military capacities.

The history of Japanese politics is replete with examples of assassinations and attempted assassinations of politicians of e.g. right-wing politicians/leader by right-wing fanatics who didn’t think that those politicians/leaders were sufficiently right-wing i.e. ‘failing/betraying the cause’.

Fair enough, or as is much more likely, unfair enough.

he dead.

Arts said:

he dead.

:(

Arts said:

he dead.

Oh dear.

Arts said:

he dead.

Damn

“The 41-year-old suspect lives in Nara city where the shooting took place. Defense sources say the suspect worked for the Maritime Self Defense Force for three years until around 2005.

Police say the suspect told investigators that he was dissatisfied with the former prime minister and intended to kill him.”

Dissatisfied.
May be a translation issue.

Arts said:

he dead.

bummer.

dv said:

“The 41-year-old suspect lives in Nara city where the shooting took place. Defense sources say the suspect worked for the Maritime Self Defense Force for three years until around 2005.

Police say the suspect told investigators that he was dissatisfied with the former prime minister and intended to kill him.”

Dissatisfied.
May be a translation issue.

If it is about the relative Japanese economic decline there isn’t a thing any Japanese government could do about it. Their economic plan worked very well in the 1950-1980s, right up until the point that it didn’t. The foreign currency manipulation lead to a huge real estate boom that sucked up all their capital and resources. Then it went bust. They tried to lift the country out of stagnation but then their aging population kicked in and started offsetting any attempts at economic stimulus through the normal means that worked in a growing society. The only escape valve for an economy on a downward demographic spiral is immigration, but Japanese society is too closed for that.

Society is to blame for Japan’s economic ills.

party_pants said:

dv said:

“The 41-year-old suspect lives in Nara city where the shooting took place. Defense sources say the suspect worked for the Maritime Self Defense Force for three years until around 2005.

Police say the suspect told investigators that he was dissatisfied with the former prime minister and intended to kill him.”

Dissatisfied.
May be a translation issue.

If it is about the relative Japanese economic decline there isn’t a thing any Japanese government could do about it. Their economic plan worked very well in the 1950-1980s, right up until the point that it didn’t. The foreign currency manipulation lead to a huge real estate boom that sucked up all their capital and resources. Then it went bust. They tried to lift the country out of stagnation but then their aging population kicked in and started offsetting any attempts at economic stimulus through the normal means that worked in a growing society. The only escape valve for an economy on a downward demographic spiral is immigration, but Japanese society is too closed for that.

Society is to blame for Japan’s economic ills.

I suppose we’ll find out in due course.

Might just be a nut with utterly irrational motives of course

dv said:

Might just be a nut with utterly irrational motives of course

Maybe I’ll just go with that.

party_pants said:

dv said:

Might just be a nut with utterly irrational motives of course

Maybe I’ll just go with that.

probably safely assume someone wanted an audience, certainly a success that way

yet another cynical false flag operation to entrench power and force a landslide

Japanese voters went to the polls on Sunday for a parliamentary election that may give the ruling Liberal Democratic Party (LDP) a surge of support after the assassination of former prime minister Shinzo Abe, a dominant politician and power broker.

• Polling prior to Mr Abe’s assassination suggested a strong showing for the ruling LDP
• Analysts believe their support could be boosted by sympathy votes

SCIENCE said:

yet another cynical false flag operation to entrench power and force a landslide

Japanese voters went to the polls on Sunday for a parliamentary election that may give the ruling Liberal Democratic Party (LDP) a surge of support after the assassination of former prime minister Shinzo Abe, a dominant politician and power broker.

• Polling prior to Mr Abe’s assassination suggested a strong showing for the ruling LDP
• Analysts believe their support could be boosted by sympathy votes
  

The LDP was already well in front in the polls.

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

yet another cynical false flag operation to entrench power and force a landslide

Japanese voters went to the polls on Sunday for a parliamentary election that may give the ruling Liberal Democratic Party (LDP) a surge of support after the assassination of former prime minister Shinzo Abe, a dominant politician and power broker.

• Polling prior to Mr Abe’s assassination suggested a strong showing for the ruling LDP
• Analysts believe their support could be boosted by sympathy votes
  

The LDP was already well in front in the polls.

so

yet another supposed “democracy” turns out to be a front for theocracy damn what a surprise

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-08-31/japan-pm-apologises-for-party-s-church-links-will-cut-ties/101392710

Widespread cozy ties between members of Mr Kishida’s governing Liberal Democratic Party (LDP), many of them belonging to Mr Abe’s faction, and the South Korean church have surfaced since Mr Abe was shot to death while giving a campaign speech in July. The Unification Church, which was founded in South Korea in 1954 and came to Japan a decade later, has built close ties with a host of conservative politicians on their shared interests of opposing communism.

not just an electoral one-off accident either

In a letter seen by The Associated Press and social media posts believed to be his, the suspected gunman said he believed his mother’s large donations to the church had ruined his life. Some Japanese have expressed understanding, even sympathy, as details of the man’s life emerged, creating deep implications for the political party that has governed Japan virtually uninterrupted since World War II.

fuck that

STEMocracy ASAP

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

yet another cynical false flag operation to entrench power and force a landslide

Japanese voters went to the polls on Sunday for a parliamentary election that may give the ruling Liberal Democratic Party (LDP) a surge of support after the assassination of former prime minister Shinzo Abe, a dominant politician and power broker.

• Polling prior to Mr Abe’s assassination suggested a strong showing for the ruling LDP
• Analysts believe their support could be boosted by sympathy votes
  

The LDP was already well in front in the polls.

so

yet another supposed “democracy” turns out to be a front for theocracy damn what a surprise

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-08-31/japan-pm-apologises-for-party-s-church-links-will-cut-ties/101392710

Widespread cozy ties between members of Mr Kishida’s governing Liberal Democratic Party (LDP), many of them belonging to Mr Abe’s faction, and the South Korean church have surfaced since Mr Abe was shot to death while giving a campaign speech in July. The Unification Church, which was founded in South Korea in 1954 and came to Japan a decade later, has built close ties with a host of conservative politicians on their shared interests of opposing communism.

not just an electoral one-off accident either

In a letter seen by The Associated Press and social media posts believed to be his, the suspected gunman said he believed his mother’s large donations to the church had ruined his life. Some Japanese have expressed understanding, even sympathy, as details of the man’s life emerged, creating deep implications for the political party that has governed Japan virtually uninterrupted since World War II.

fuck that

STEMocracy ASAP

fuck

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-09-01/vic-liberal-party-branch-stacking-claims-city-builders-church/101388642