We seem to be still using June. Here is a belated new one.

Let’s start it with this:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-14/christian-porter-loses-appeal-against-decision-to-remove-laywer/101239866

buffy said:

We seem to be still using June. Here is a belated new one.

Let’s start it with this:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-14/christian-porter-loses-appeal-against-decision-to-remove-laywer/101239866

The judgement is likely to mean Mr Porter will have to pay Ms Dyer $430,000 in costs.

The money has been in trust pending the outcome of the appeal.

:) So he isn’t covered in milk and honey after all.

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

We seem to be still using June. Here is a belated new one.

Let’s start it with this:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-14/christian-porter-loses-appeal-against-decision-to-remove-laywer/101239866

The judgement is likely to mean Mr Porter will have to pay Ms Dyer $430,000 in costs.

The money has been in trust pending the outcome of the appeal.

:) So he isn’t covered in milk and honey after all.

now on to who it was that funded the trust

Seeing that spending is part of Aust. politics;

Ernest Healy, secretary of the Association for the Conservation of Australian Dingoes, successfully lobbied to get the dingo protected as a threatened species in Victoria in 2008.

He says the NSW government’s data on the cost to agriculture from wild dog predation doesn’t add up.

“Using the government’s own data, the problem of stock losses in both Victoria and NSW to so-called wild dog predation is marginal at best,” Dr Healy said.

Asked how that compared to the $25 million figure cited as the cost to NSW’s agriculture, he said:

“Given the very low numbers of sheep reported lost, these would have to be extraordinarily expensive sheep.”

A need for transparency

Dr Healy said it was very difficult in most states, including NSW, to get information from the government about wild dog control spending that wasn’t fragmentary.

What the official data shows

Local Land Services (LLS) records from 10 of the 11 regions across the state repeatedly showed negligible numbers of livestock — cattle and sheep — being killed by wild dogs. The 11th region did not have comparable data.

In eight out of the 10 NSW LLS jurisdictions examined, the proportion of sheep and cattle killed by wild dog predation rarely exceeded 1 per cent of the area’s flock/herd per year and was often significantly lower than 0.1 per cent.

In the remaining two, the proportion of stock losses ranged from 2 per cent to 15 per cent between 2017 and 2019, but absolute stock loss numbers were still low.

Total livestock numbers in these jurisdictions were in the low thousands, compared to herds hundreds of thousands to millions-strong in the other areas.

Is it an efficient and effective spend? Link

roughbarked said:

Seeing that spending is part of Aust. politics;

Ernest Healy, secretary of the Association for the Conservation of Australian Dingoes, successfully lobbied to get the dingo protected as a threatened species in Victoria in 2008.

He says the NSW government’s data on the cost to agriculture from wild dog predation doesn’t add up.

“Using the government’s own data, the problem of stock losses in both Victoria and NSW to so-called wild dog predation is marginal at best,” Dr Healy said.

Reminds me of when (twenty years ago) a bloke who was in a position to know (from his legitimate work) commented on the ‘street values’ of drug hauls as claimed by various Australian police forces.

He said that the cops needed to find new dealers, because it appeared that they were paying at least twice as much as the market rate for their drugs.

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

Seeing that spending is part of Aust. politics;

Ernest Healy, secretary of the Association for the Conservation of Australian Dingoes, successfully lobbied to get the dingo protected as a threatened species in Victoria in 2008.

He says the NSW government’s data on the cost to agriculture from wild dog predation doesn’t add up.

“Using the government’s own data, the problem of stock losses in both Victoria and NSW to so-called wild dog predation is marginal at best,” Dr Healy said.

Reminds me of when (twenty years ago) a bloke who was in a position to know (from his legitimate work) commented on the ‘street values’ of drug hauls as claimed by various Australian police forces.

He said that the cops needed to find new dealers, because it appeared that they were paying at least twice as much as the market rate for their drugs.

Bumping the price up. More bonus points?

roughbarked said:

Bumping the price up. More bonus points?

Yep. Write your own publicity. Makes you look good at budget allocation time. Looks good on CVs, etc. etc.

https://thenewdaily.com.au/opinion/2022/07/15/madonna-king-scott-morrison-recruiter/

Link

scomo has a job interview.

https://theconversation.com/palace-letters-reveal-the-palaces-fingerprints-on-the-dismissal-of-the-whitlam-government-142476

Queen’s private secretary’s correspondence with Kerr before the dismissal

Australia, The Regional Leader That Follows Everyone Else

Australia looks set to sign up to a joint statement from Pacific Islands Forum leaders that is expected to declare a “climate emergency” and calls for rapid and deep reductions in greenhouse gas emissions to limit global warming.

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/albanese-under-pressure-as-perrottet-leads-charge-to-reboot-pandemic-pay-20220715-p5b20o.html

Link

https://theconversation.com/albanese-just-laid-out-a-radical-new-vision-for-australia-in-the-region-clean-energy-exporter-and-green-manufacturer-186815

Link

ChrispenEvan said:

By “old fashioned Australian masculinity” I assume he means “behaving like grade two boys on too much red cordial”.

Bubblecar said:

ChrispenEvan said:

By “old fashioned Australian masculinity” I assume he means “behaving like grade two boys on too much red cordial”.

Is ‘red cordial’ a euphemism for ‘steroids, which, of course, we have nothing to do with as they’re prohibited by the AFL’?

Don’t trust in governments, the UN: Scott Morrison delivers pentecostal church sermon

Former prime minister Scott Morrison has urged churchgoers not to trust in governments, warning it would be a mistake to do so based on his experience in the upper echelons of power.

In a sermon to Perth’s Victory Life Centre, the Pentecostal church run by controversial former tennis champion Margaret Court, Morrison encouraged the congregation to put their faith in God rather than the government.

For the majority of the sermon, he talked about anxiety, which he defined as everyday worries that the “oil of God” could assuage.

“All of this anxiousness, all of this anxiety … all of this feeling about the bills that are pouring in, all of this feeling about the anxiety, and then the oil of God, the ointment of God, comes on this situation and releases you, if you will have it, and receive His gift,” he said.

Succumbing to anxiety was “Satan’s plan”, he said.

“We cannot allow these anxieties to deny us that that’s not His plan. That’s Satan’s plan. It’s not His plan.”

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/don-t-trust-in-governments-the-un-scott-morrison-delivers-pentecostal-church-sermon-20220718-p5b2i2.html?btis

dv said:

not to trust in governments, warning it would be a mistake to do so based on his actions in the upper echelons of power.

fixed

what an arsehole

dv said:

Don’t trust in governments, the UN: Scott Morrison delivers pentecostal church sermon

Former prime minister Scott Morrison has urged churchgoers not to trust in governments, warning it would be a mistake to do so based on his experience in the upper echelons of power.

In a sermon to Perth’s Victory Life Centre, the Pentecostal church run by controversial former tennis champion Margaret Court, Morrison encouraged the congregation to put their faith in God rather than the government.

For the majority of the sermon, he talked about anxiety, which he defined as everyday worries that the “oil of God” could assuage.

“All of this anxiousness, all of this anxiety … all of this feeling about the bills that are pouring in, all of this feeling about the anxiety, and then the oil of God, the ointment of God, comes on this situation and releases you, if you will have it, and receive His gift,” he said.

Succumbing to anxiety was “Satan’s plan”, he said.

“We cannot allow these anxieties to deny us that that’s not His plan. That’s Satan’s plan. It’s not His plan.”

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/don-t-trust-in-governments-the-un-scott-morrison-delivers-pentecostal-church-sermon-20220718-p5b2i2.html?btis

faarrk!

dv said:

Don’t trust in governments, the UN: Scott Morrison delivers pentecostal church sermon

Former prime minister Scott Morrison has urged churchgoers not to trust in governments, warning it would be a mistake to do so based on his experience in the upper echelons of power.

In a sermon to Perth’s Victory Life Centre, the Pentecostal church run by controversial former tennis champion Margaret Court, Morrison encouraged the congregation to put their faith in God rather than the government.

For the majority of the sermon, he talked about anxiety, which he defined as everyday worries that the “oil of God” could assuage.

“All of this anxiousness, all of this anxiety … all of this feeling about the bills that are pouring in, all of this feeling about the anxiety, and then the oil of God, the ointment of God, comes on this situation and releases you, if you will have it, and receive His gift,” he said.

Succumbing to anxiety was “Satan’s plan”, he said.

“We cannot allow these anxieties to deny us that that’s not His plan. That’s Satan’s plan. It’s not His plan.”

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/don-t-trust-in-governments-the-un-scott-morrison-delivers-pentecostal-church-sermon-20220718-p5b2i2.html?btis

Maybe he has some anxiety about oil?

roughbarked said:

dv said:

Don’t trust in governments, the UN: Scott Morrison delivers pentecostal church sermon

Former prime minister Scott Morrison has urged churchgoers not to trust in governments, warning it would be a mistake to do so based on his experience in the upper echelons of power.

In a sermon to Perth’s Victory Life Centre, the Pentecostal church run by controversial former tennis champion Margaret Court, Morrison encouraged the congregation to put their faith in God rather than the government.

For the majority of the sermon, he talked about anxiety, which he defined as everyday worries that the “oil of God” could assuage.

“All of this anxiousness, all of this anxiety … all of this feeling about the bills that are pouring in, all of this feeling about the anxiety, and then the oil of God, the ointment of God, comes on this situation and releases you, if you will have it, and receive His gift,” he said.

Succumbing to anxiety was “Satan’s plan”, he said.

“We cannot allow these anxieties to deny us that that’s not His plan. That’s Satan’s plan. It’s not His plan.”

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/don-t-trust-in-governments-the-un-scott-morrison-delivers-pentecostal-church-sermon-20220718-p5b2i2.html?btis

faarrk!

Not his plan, someone else’s plan.
He never came up with a plan.
Not his plan.

:)

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

not to trust in governments, warning it would be a mistake to do so based on his actions in the upper echelons of power.

fixed

what an arsehole

I was about to respond to this, but SCIENCE just did it for me.

Tau.Neutrino said:

roughbarked said:

dv said:

Don’t trust in governments, the UN: Scott Morrison delivers pentecostal church sermon

Former prime minister Scott Morrison has urged churchgoers not to trust in governments, warning it would be a mistake to do so based on his experience in the upper echelons of power.

In a sermon to Perth’s Victory Life Centre, the Pentecostal church run by controversial former tennis champion Margaret Court, Morrison encouraged the congregation to put their faith in God rather than the government.

For the majority of the sermon, he talked about anxiety, which he defined as everyday worries that the “oil of God” could assuage.

“All of this anxiousness, all of this anxiety … all of this feeling about the bills that are pouring in, all of this feeling about the anxiety, and then the oil of God, the ointment of God, comes on this situation and releases you, if you will have it, and receive His gift,” he said.

Succumbing to anxiety was “Satan’s plan”, he said.

“We cannot allow these anxieties to deny us that that’s not His plan. That’s Satan’s plan. It’s not His plan.”

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/don-t-trust-in-governments-the-un-scott-morrison-delivers-pentecostal-church-sermon-20220718-p5b2i2.html?btis

faarrk!

Not his plan, someone else’s plan.
He never came up with a plan.
Not his plan.

:)

10/10 :)

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

not to trust in governments, warning it would be a mistake to do so based on his actions in the upper echelons of power.

fixed

what an arsehole

I was about to respond to this, but SCIENCE just did it for me.

We have SCIENCE to thank. ;)

No wonder nothing got done.

Tau.Neutrino said:

No wonder nothing got done.

He was waiting for God to fix it.

Tau.Neutrino said:

No wonder nothing got done.

Always waiting for God to put into action the next stage of His plan.

roughbarked said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

No wonder nothing got done.

He was waiting for God to fix it.

I say, snap!

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

No wonder nothing got done.

He was waiting for God to fix it.

I say, snap!

At least God has a plan.

:)

Tau.Neutrino said:

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

He was waiting for God to fix it.

I say, snap!

At least God has a plan.

:)

The plan may be good. The plan may be sound.

In which case, it looks like it’s the implementation that’s a shitfight.

dv said:

Don’t trust in governments, the UN: Scott Morrison delivers pentecostal church sermon

Former prime minister Scott Morrison has urged churchgoers not to trust in governments, warning it would be a mistake to do so based on his experience in the upper echelons of power.

In a sermon to Perth’s Victory Life Centre, the Pentecostal church run by controversial former tennis champion Margaret Court, Morrison encouraged the congregation to put their faith in God rather than the government.

For the majority of the sermon, he talked about anxiety, which he defined as everyday worries that the “oil of God” could assuage.

“All of this anxiousness, all of this anxiety … all of this feeling about the bills that are pouring in, all of this feeling about the anxiety, and then the oil of God, the ointment of God, comes on this situation and releases you, if you will have it, and receive His gift,” he said.

Succumbing to anxiety was “Satan’s plan”, he said.

“We cannot allow these anxieties to deny us that that’s not His plan. That’s Satan’s plan. It’s not His plan.”

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/don-t-trust-in-governments-the-un-scott-morrison-delivers-pentecostal-church-sermon-20220718-p5b2i2.html?btis

We kept telling people he was a lunatic, but they said “Nah it’s just an act.”

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

Don’t trust in governments, the UN: Scott Morrison delivers pentecostal church sermon

Former prime minister Scott Morrison has urged churchgoers not to trust in governments, warning it would be a mistake to do so based on his experience in the upper echelons of power.

In a sermon to Perth’s Victory Life Centre, the Pentecostal church run by controversial former tennis champion Margaret Court, Morrison encouraged the congregation to put their faith in God rather than the government.

For the majority of the sermon, he talked about anxiety, which he defined as everyday worries that the “oil of God” could assuage.

“All of this anxiousness, all of this anxiety … all of this feeling about the bills that are pouring in, all of this feeling about the anxiety, and then the oil of God, the ointment of God, comes on this situation and releases you, if you will have it, and receive His gift,” he said.

Succumbing to anxiety was “Satan’s plan”, he said.

“We cannot allow these anxieties to deny us that that’s not His plan. That’s Satan’s plan. It’s not His plan.”

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/don-t-trust-in-governments-the-un-scott-morrison-delivers-pentecostal-church-sermon-20220718-p5b2i2.html?btis

We kept telling people he was a lunatic, but they said “Nah it’s just an act.”

Jtdc that’s moronic

dv said:

Don’t trust in governments, the UN: Scott Morrison delivers pentecostal church sermon

Former prime minister Scott Morrison has urged churchgoers not to trust in governments, warning it would be a mistake to do so based on his experience in the upper echelons of power.

In a sermon to Perth’s Victory Life Centre, the Pentecostal church run by controversial former tennis champion Margaret Court, Morrison encouraged the congregation to put their faith in God rather than the government.

For the majority of the sermon, he talked about anxiety, which he defined as everyday worries that the “oil of God” could assuage.

“All of this anxiousness, all of this anxiety … all of this feeling about the bills that are pouring in, all of this feeling about the anxiety, and then the oil of God, the ointment of God, comes on this situation and releases you, if you will have it, and receive His gift,” he said.

Succumbing to anxiety was “Satan’s plan”, he said.

“We cannot allow these anxieties to deny us that that’s not His plan. That’s Satan’s plan. It’s not His plan.”

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/don-t-trust-in-governments-the-un-scott-morrison-delivers-pentecostal-church-sermon-20220718-p5b2i2.html?btis

nasty manipulative little freeloader.

The Greens leader, Adam Bandt, has signalled his party is open to backing the government’s 43% emissions reduction target, but says there are “problems” with the bill as he digs in on his demand that new coal and gas projects be banned.

The Liberal party appeared set to vote against Labor’s emissions target, with the opposition leader, Peter Dutton, raising concerns about enshrining the reduction in legislation. This would mean the Greens are now crucial to the success of the bill.

“We’re up for talking. We’re up for moving. We’re up for shifting,” Bandt told the ABC’s Insiders program on Sunday.

“It’s going to take two to tango to get legislation through the parliament and so we want to have some good-faith discussions with the government.”

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jul/17/greens-open-to-backing-labors-43-emissions-target-but-demand-ban-on-new-coal-projects

dv said:

The Greens leader, Adam Bandt, has signalled his party is open to backing the government’s 43% emissions reduction target, but says there are “problems” with the bill as he digs in on his demand that new coal and gas projects be banned.

The Liberal party appeared set to vote against Labor’s emissions target, with the opposition leader, Peter Dutton, raising concerns about enshrining the reduction in legislation. This would mean the Greens are now crucial to the success of the bill.

“We’re up for talking. We’re up for moving. We’re up for shifting,” Bandt told the ABC’s Insiders program on Sunday.

“It’s going to take two to tango to get legislation through the parliament and so we want to have some good-faith discussions with the government.”

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jul/17/greens-open-to-backing-labors-43-emissions-target-but-demand-ban-on-new-coal-projects

I as a environmentalist and get a little bit edgy with that type of demand and I would think many others are feeling that way too. Bandt IMO should keep his ego under control and concentrate more on why people voted for him.

PermeateFree said:

dv said:

The Greens leader, Adam Bandt, has signalled his party is open to backing the government’s 43% emissions reduction target, but says there are “problems” with the bill as he digs in on his demand that new coal and gas projects be banned.

The Liberal party appeared set to vote against Labor’s emissions target, with the opposition leader, Peter Dutton, raising concerns about enshrining the reduction in legislation. This would mean the Greens are now crucial to the success of the bill.

“We’re up for talking. We’re up for moving. We’re up for shifting,” Bandt told the ABC’s Insiders program on Sunday.

“It’s going to take two to tango to get legislation through the parliament and so we want to have some good-faith discussions with the government.”

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jul/17/greens-open-to-backing-labors-43-emissions-target-but-demand-ban-on-new-coal-projects

I as a environmentalist and get a little bit edgy with that type of demand and I would think many others are feeling that way too. Bandt IMO should keep his ego under control and concentrate more on why people voted for him.

Should read: I as an environmentalist get a little edgy with…………….

dv said:

The Greens leader, Adam Bandt, has signalled his party is open to backing the government’s 43% emissions reduction target, but says there are “problems” with the bill as he digs in on his demand that new coal and gas projects be banned.

The Liberal party appeared set to vote against Labor’s emissions target, with the opposition leader, Peter Dutton, raising concerns about enshrining the reduction in legislation. This would mean the Greens are now crucial to the success of the bill.

“We’re up for talking. We’re up for moving. We’re up for shifting,” Bandt told the ABC’s Insiders program on Sunday.

“It’s going to take two to tango to get legislation through the parliament and so we want to have some good-faith discussions with the government.”

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jul/17/greens-open-to-backing-labors-43-emissions-target-but-demand-ban-on-new-coal-projects

If he is really digging in on his demand that new coal and gas projects be banned, that’s a shame.

Reducing supply from one country does nothing directly to reduce emissions, and even indirectly it is pretty ineffective.

They should be focussing on investment and legislation that would make new coal and gas projects a poor investment.

The Rev Dodgson said:

They should be focussing on investment and legislation that would make new coal and gas projects a poor investment.

Wah….. Like tax the shit out of ‘em? Simples.😁

PermeateFree said:

dv said:

The Greens leader, Adam Bandt, has signalled his party is open to backing the government’s 43% emissions reduction target, but says there are “problems” with the bill as he digs in on his demand that new coal and gas projects be banned.

The Liberal party appeared set to vote against Labor’s emissions target, with the opposition leader, Peter Dutton, raising concerns about enshrining the reduction in legislation. This would mean the Greens are now crucial to the success of the bill.

“We’re up for talking. We’re up for moving. We’re up for shifting,” Bandt told the ABC’s Insiders program on Sunday.

“It’s going to take two to tango to get legislation through the parliament and so we want to have some good-faith discussions with the government.”

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jul/17/greens-open-to-backing-labors-43-emissions-target-but-demand-ban-on-new-coal-projects

I as a environmentalist and get a little bit edgy with that type of demand and I would think many others are feeling that way too. Bandt IMO should keep his ego under control and concentrate more on why people voted for him.

Nods.

Woodie said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

They should be focussing on investment and legislation that would make new coal and gas projects a poor investment.

Wah….. Like tax the shit out of ‘em? Simples.😁

Well taxing the people who burn the stuff makes more sense.

The Queensland government is spruking it’s increase in coal royalty for windfall coal profits.
They say coal is going to make us all rich and there is still good profits to be made by the coal mining companies like Adani.

Treasurer and Minister for Trade and Investment
The Honourable Cameron Dick

From today, the Palaszczuk Government’s new progressive coal royalty arrangements are ensuring that coal producers in Queensland are funding more regional hospitals while still generating record profits and maintaining historically high share prices.

Treasurer and Minister for Trade and Investment Cameron Dick said 1 July 2022 ushered in a new regime with bipartisan support that backs jobs, investment, wealth generation, and better healthcare.

“With spot prices for metallurgical coal trading at around double the long-term average, coal producers today will be making record profits,” the Treasurer said.

“But from today, the people of Queensland also start getting their fair share of those profits.

“Today alone, an estimated $2.1 million in extra royalties have been generated as a downpayment on new and expanded regional hospitals.”

The Treasurer said that the sharemarket performance of Australian-listed coal companies shows that international investors also recognise that progressive coal royalties with bipartisan political support are good for business.

“While the rest of the share market is down some 15% from six months ago, coal companies are well and truly up,” he said.

Peak Warming Man said:

The Queensland government is spruking it’s increase in coal royalty for windfall coal profits.
They say coal is going to make us all rich and there is still good profits to be made by the coal mining companies like Adani.

Money is usually the winner. The problem currently being created is the disruption of the environment that will affect all our futures, it is on the edge, or it might have already slipped over, but it is so fine before environmental changes become irreversible. By just stopping our co2 and methane emissions will not solve our climate problems, it is not like turning off a tap, it just does not work that way.

Peak Warming Man said:

Treasurer and Minister for Trade and Investment
The Honourable Cameron Dick

From today, the Palaszczuk Government’s new progressive coal royalty arrangements are ensuring that coal producers in Queensland are funding more regional hospitals while still generating record profits and maintaining historically high share prices.

Treasurer and Minister for Trade and Investment Cameron Dick said 1 July 2022 ushered in a new regime with bipartisan support that backs jobs, investment, wealth generation, and better healthcare.

“With spot prices for metallurgical coal trading at around double the long-term average, coal producers today will be making record profits,” the Treasurer said.

“But from today, the people of Queensland also start getting their fair share of those profits.

“Today alone, an estimated $2.1 million in extra royalties have been generated as a downpayment on new and expanded regional hospitals.”

The Treasurer said that the sharemarket performance of Australian-listed coal companies shows that international investors also recognise that progressive coal royalties with bipartisan political support are good for business.

“While the rest of the share market is down some 15% from six months ago, coal companies are well and truly up,” he said.

We have traded off the environment for the good life which we have enjoyed and still do so, but it cannot go on, it is unsustainable and will threaten our very existence. As much as we might want it to continue, it just won’t and science is telling us that point is not far away.

dv said:

Don’t trust in governments, the UN: Scott Morrison delivers pentecostal church sermon

Former prime minister Scott Morrison has urged churchgoers not to trust in governments, warning it would be a mistake to do so based on his experience in the upper echelons of power.

In a sermon to Perth’s Victory Life Centre, the Pentecostal church run by controversial former tennis champion Margaret Court, Morrison encouraged the congregation to put their faith in God rather than the government.

For the majority of the sermon, he talked about anxiety, which he defined as everyday worries that the “oil of God” could assuage.

“All of this anxiousness, all of this anxiety … all of this feeling about the bills that are pouring in, all of this feeling about the anxiety, and then the oil of God, the ointment of God, comes on this situation and releases you, if you will have it, and receive His gift,” he said.

Succumbing to anxiety was “Satan’s plan”, he said.

“We cannot allow these anxieties to deny us that that’s not His plan. That’s Satan’s plan. It’s not His plan.”

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/don-t-trust-in-governments-the-un-scott-morrison-delivers-pentecostal-church-sermon-20220718-p5b2i2.html?btis

Is that his confession?

buffy said:

dv said:

Don’t trust in governments, the UN: Scott Morrison delivers pentecostal church sermon

Former prime minister Scott Morrison has urged churchgoers not to trust in governments, warning it would be a mistake to do so based on his experience in the upper echelons of power.

In a sermon to Perth’s Victory Life Centre, the Pentecostal church run by controversial former tennis champion Margaret Court, Morrison encouraged the congregation to put their faith in God rather than the government.

For the majority of the sermon, he talked about anxiety, which he defined as everyday worries that the “oil of God” could assuage.

“All of this anxiousness, all of this anxiety … all of this feeling about the bills that are pouring in, all of this feeling about the anxiety, and then the oil of God, the ointment of God, comes on this situation and releases you, if you will have it, and receive His gift,” he said.

Succumbing to anxiety was “Satan’s plan”, he said.

“We cannot allow these anxieties to deny us that that’s not His plan. That’s Satan’s plan. It’s not His plan.”

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/don-t-trust-in-governments-the-un-scott-morrison-delivers-pentecostal-church-sermon-20220718-p5b2i2.html?btis

Is that his confession?

It’s certainly not his plan.

f*ck Christian nationalism.

sarahs mum said:

f*ck Christian nationalism.

Embarrassing.

buffy said:

dv said:

Don’t trust in governments, the UN: Scott Morrison delivers pentecostal church sermon

Former prime minister Scott Morrison has urged churchgoers not to trust in governments, warning it would be a mistake to do so based on his experience in the upper echelons of power.

In a sermon to Perth’s Victory Life Centre, the Pentecostal church run by controversial former tennis champion Margaret Court, Morrison encouraged the congregation to put their faith in God rather than the government.

For the majority of the sermon, he talked about anxiety, which he defined as everyday worries that the “oil of God” could assuage.

“All of this anxiousness, all of this anxiety … all of this feeling about the bills that are pouring in, all of this feeling about the anxiety, and then the oil of God, the ointment of God, comes on this situation and releases you, if you will have it, and receive His gift,” he said.

Succumbing to anxiety was “Satan’s plan”, he said.

“We cannot allow these anxieties to deny us that that’s not His plan. That’s Satan’s plan. It’s not His plan.”

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/don-t-trust-in-governments-the-un-scott-morrison-delivers-pentecostal-church-sermon-20220718-p5b2i2.html?btis

Is that his confession?

Yes. He is saying that by causing increased anxiety he was Satan’s tool.

Or some sort of tool.. definitely a tool

In August last year, Victory Life Centre said it received more than $500,000 from the jobkeeper program, as well as a $50,000 cashflow boost from a federal government grant, even though its revenue ultimately barely decreased.

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Someone should blow Christians up.

Ian said:

buffy said:

dv said:

Don’t trust in governments, the UN: Scott Morrison delivers pentecostal church sermon

Former prime minister Scott Morrison has urged churchgoers not to trust in governments, warning it would be a mistake to do so based on his experience in the upper echelons of power.

In a sermon to Perth’s Victory Life Centre, the Pentecostal church run by controversial former tennis champion Margaret Court, Morrison encouraged the congregation to put their faith in God rather than the government.

For the majority of the sermon, he talked about anxiety, which he defined as everyday worries that the “oil of God” could assuage.

“All of this anxiousness, all of this anxiety … all of this feeling about the bills that are pouring in, all of this feeling about the anxiety, and then the oil of God, the ointment of God, comes on this situation and releases you, if you will have it, and receive His gift,” he said.

Succumbing to anxiety was “Satan’s plan”, he said.

“We cannot allow these anxieties to deny us that that’s not His plan. That’s Satan’s plan. It’s not His plan.”

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/don-t-trust-in-governments-the-un-scott-morrison-delivers-pentecostal-church-sermon-20220718-p5b2i2.html?btis

Is that his confession?

Yes. He is saying that by causing increased anxiety he was Satan’s tool.

Or some sort of tool.. definitely a tool

I don’t suffer from anxiety.

I’m more a “let it rot” type.

Confused, rambling man rushes stage, claiming to be former Prime Minister of Australia

A 54 year-old Sydney man appeared to be confused and disorientated as he leapt on stage at an event in Perth, saying he was filled with the Holy Spirit and was once the leader of a nation in the Oceania region. Authorities became concerned when the man then claimed he didn’t believe in governments.

“I led the government. No-one trusts governments!” he shouted, clearly confused. Crowd members watched on as the man then pretended to be a priest for two hours.

Authorities say there is no evidence, or record of achievement, to suggest the man ever was Prime Minister. They believe the man maybe a member of a cult, although some say the correct terminology is ‘The Liberal Party’.

Shovel

Ian said:

Confused, rambling man rushes stage, claiming to be former Prime Minister of Australia

A 54 year-old Sydney man appeared to be confused and disorientated as he leapt on stage at an event in Perth, saying he was filled with the Holy Spirit and was once the leader of a nation in the Oceania region. Authorities became concerned when the man then claimed he didn’t believe in governments.

“I led the government. No-one trusts governments!” he shouted, clearly confused. Crowd members watched on as the man then pretended to be a priest for two hours.

Authorities say there is no evidence, or record of achievement, to suggest the man ever was Prime Minister. They believe the man maybe a member of a cult, although some say the correct terminology is ‘The Liberal Party’.

Shovel

Man with no plan.

Not his plan.

Someone else’s plan.

The man with no plan.

I wonder what job they will give him?

Ian said:

Confused, rambling man rushes stage, claiming to be former Prime Minister of Australia

A 54 year-old Sydney man appeared to be confused and disorientated as he leapt on stage at an event in Perth, saying he was filled with the Holy Spirit and was once the leader of a nation in the Oceania region. Authorities became concerned when the man then claimed he didn’t believe in governments.

“I led the government. No-one trusts governments!” he shouted, clearly confused. Crowd members watched on as the man then pretended to be a priest for two hours.

Authorities say there is no evidence, or record of achievement, to suggest the man ever was Prime Minister. They believe the man maybe a member of a cult, although some say the correct terminology is ‘The Liberal Party’.

Shovel

Link to the Shovel.

https://www.theshovel.com.au/

https://abjago.net/3pp/#

nice

This is a warning to every Australian.

Labor and @JEChalmers want to replace responsible economic management with a yoga mat, beads and a “wellbeing budget”.

Just another Labor excuse for higher taxes and bigger deficits👇

ABC News:

Former staffer tells inquiry John Barilaro lined up New York role before his retirement.

The former chief of staff claims Mr Barilaro then added: “This is it; this is the job for when I get the f*** out of this place.”

In the statement Mr Connell said the conversation continued.

“I responded to Mr Barilaro and stated, ‘but John, the Agent General role (in London) will be filled well before you retire from this place’,” Mr Connell said.

“Mr Barilaro then said, ‘I don’t want to go to London, f*** that, I’m off to New York’.”

Mark Connell claims Mr Barilaro told him the New York role was the job he wanted when left politics.

Mr Connell said he pointed out that the current office was in California.

“Mr Barilaro responded and stated, ‘I’ll get them to put one in New York, that’s where I’m off too’,” Mr Connell said.

I think that John Barilaro should, indeed, get a trade commissioner’s job.

Maybe Port-Au-Prince in Haiti:

Or Dhaka in Bangladesh:

I’ve been to Dhaka. Just a couple of days. I’d never been so glad to leave a place, and that’s counting places where i’ve been shot at.

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

Former staffer tells inquiry John Barilaro lined up New York role before his retirement.

The former chief of staff claims Mr Barilaro then added: “This is it; this is the job for when I get the f*** out of this place.”

In the statement Mr Connell said the conversation continued.

“I responded to Mr Barilaro and stated, ‘but John, the Agent General role (in London) will be filled well before you retire from this place’,” Mr Connell said.

“Mr Barilaro then said, ‘I don’t want to go to London, f*** that, I’m off to New York’.”

Mark Connell claims Mr Barilaro told him the New York role was the job he wanted when left politics.

Mr Connell said he pointed out that the current office was in California.

“Mr Barilaro responded and stated, ‘I’ll get them to put one in New York, that’s where I’m off too’,” Mr Connell said.

I think that John Barilaro should, indeed, get a trade commissioner’s job.

Maybe Port-Au-Prince in Haiti:

Or Dhaka in Bangladesh:

I’ve been to Dhaka. Just a couple of days. I’d never been so glad to leave a place, and that’s counting places where i’ve been shot at.

And he’s totally illiterate, imagine saying too instead of saying to.

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

Former staffer tells inquiry John Barilaro lined up New York role before his retirement.

The former chief of staff claims Mr Barilaro then added: “This is it; this is the job for when I get the f*** out of this place.”

In the statement Mr Connell said the conversation continued.

“I responded to Mr Barilaro and stated, ‘but John, the Agent General role (in London) will be filled well before you retire from this place’,” Mr Connell said.

“Mr Barilaro then said, ‘I don’t want to go to London, f*** that, I’m off to New York’.”

Mark Connell claims Mr Barilaro told him the New York role was the job he wanted when left politics.

Mr Connell said he pointed out that the current office was in California.

“Mr Barilaro responded and stated, ‘I’ll get them to put one in New York, that’s where I’m off too’,” Mr Connell said.

I think that John Barilaro should, indeed, get a trade commissioner’s job.

Maybe Port-Au-Prince in Haiti:

Or Dhaka in Bangladesh:

I’ve been to Dhaka. Just a couple of days. I’d never been so glad to leave a place, and that’s counting places where i’ve been shot at.

Perfect. Send trash to the tip.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-20/victorian-labor-ibac-releases-operation-watts-report/101252886

Victoria’s anti-corruption watchdog has uncovered “egregious” and “extensive misconduct” by Victorian Labor MPs, but has recommended no criminal charges be laid.

Victoria’s Independent Broad-based Anti-corruption Commission (IBAC) held public hearings in October and November 2021 into the misuse of taxpayer funds and community grants in the Victorian branch of the ALP.

Premier Daniel Andrews was among dozens of witnesses also ordered to privately give evidence over cultural failings in the Labor Party.

Known as Operation Watts, the joint investigation between IBAC and the Victorian Ombudsman was prompted by an expose by The Age and 60 Minutes in 2020, which aired allegations of industrial-scale branch stacking levelled at former state minister Adem Somyurek.

dv said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-20/victorian-labor-ibac-releases-operation-watts-report/101252886

Victoria’s anti-corruption watchdog has uncovered “egregious” and “extensive misconduct” by Victorian Labor MPs, but has recommended no criminal charges be laid.

Victoria’s Independent Broad-based Anti-corruption Commission (IBAC) held public hearings in October and November 2021 into the misuse of taxpayer funds and community grants in the Victorian branch of the ALP.

Premier Daniel Andrews was among dozens of witnesses also ordered to privately give evidence over cultural failings in the Labor Party.

Known as Operation Watts, the joint investigation between IBAC and the Victorian Ombudsman was prompted by an expose by The Age and 60 Minutes in 2020, which aired allegations of industrial-scale branch stacking levelled at former state minister Adem Somyurek.

Victoria’s anti-corruption agency needs to grow some balls.

Witty Rejoinder said:

dv said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-20/victorian-labor-ibac-releases-operation-watts-report/101252886

Victoria’s anti-corruption watchdog has uncovered “egregious” and “extensive misconduct” by Victorian Labor MPs, but has recommended no criminal charges be laid.

Victoria’s Independent Broad-based Anti-corruption Commission (IBAC) held public hearings in October and November 2021 into the misuse of taxpayer funds and community grants in the Victorian branch of the ALP.

Premier Daniel Andrews was among dozens of witnesses also ordered to privately give evidence over cultural failings in the Labor Party.

Known as Operation Watts, the joint investigation between IBAC and the Victorian Ombudsman was prompted by an expose by The Age and 60 Minutes in 2020, which aired allegations of industrial-scale branch stacking levelled at former state minister Adem Somyurek.

Victoria’s anti-corruption agency needs to grow some balls.

Not sure it’s really the mandate of a corruption commission to recommend which charges be brought forward, but more to identify and substantiate allegations of corruption and misconduct and then hand those over to prosecutors. stick to your knitting, so to speak.

Turnout in the 2022 Australian election was low. From the 1960s to the 1990s it was pretty solidly around the 94-95% mark. This year it was 89.8%.
Informality was also on the high side, with 5.2% of ballots being blank/invalid. All up then only 85.1% of registered voters cast a valid ballot. This trend potentially changes the dynamic of politics in Australia, as it means there is a possibility of winning elections without winning the centre, by energising some of these 14.9% of effective non-voters.
Some of the lowest voting divisions:
Solomon 79.5% turnout, 3.5% informal (not unusual for Solomon to have low turnout)
Durack 80.8% turnout, 6.5% informal
Leichhardt 83.9% turnout, 6.8% informal
Kennedy 84.5% turnout, 3.3% informal
Rankin 84.5% turnout, 3.9% informal

Former New South Wales Liberal minister John Sidoti has been found to have engaged in “serious corrupt conduct” to benefit his family’s property interests by the state’s Independent Commission Against Corruption.

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When will these witchhunts end???

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jul/20/icac-finds-nsw-mp-john-sidoti-engaged-in-serious-corrupt-conduct-over-family-owned-properties

dv said:

Former New South Wales Liberal minister John Sidoti has been found to have engaged in “serious corrupt conduct” to benefit his family’s property interests by the state’s Independent Commission Against Corruption.

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When will these witchhunts end???

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jul/20/icac-finds-nsw-mp-john-sidoti-engaged-in-serious-corrupt-conduct-over-family-owned-properties

After pollies and public servants stop being corrupt. So probably never…

STEMocracy

Analysis of the dynamics of the increasingly important 3 Candidate Preferred counts

https://www.tallyroom.com.au/47966

dv said:

Analysis of the dynamics of the increasingly important 3 Candidate Preferred counts

https://www.tallyroom.com.au/47966

Drilling into this, it’s surprising, some of the seats that were close that, at first glance, didn’t appear to be.

In Hume, Penny Ackery didn’t take that Climate 200 money but her policies are basically tealish. She came within 1% of getting ahead of Labor in the 3CP count: if she had, she might have done better than Labor in the final 2CP. The final break was 58-42 in Angus Taylor’s favour versus Labor’s Greg Baines.

Snouts in a very rich trough…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-19/qld-paul-tully-ipswich-city-council-call-to-resign/101248076

Michael V said:

Snouts in a very rich trough…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-19/qld-paul-tully-ipswich-city-council-call-to-resign/101248076

$10,652 for two nights’ accommodation in Abu Dhabi at the 5-star Emirates Palace hotel
$8,044 for a chartered helicopter flight from the Emirates Palace to a 7-star resort off the coast of Dubai
$17,982 for two nights’ accommodation in Paris at the 5-star Hotel Barriere Fouquet’s
$27,630 for a private charter jet booked for a six-day/five-night period and “used to fly from Paris to Rome to Sicily and then to Geneva”

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ROFLMFAO for a City of Ipswich councillor…

Surely it is possible to have a system in place whereby such expenses have to be approved in advance.

Michael V said:

Snouts in a very rich trough…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-19/qld-paul-tully-ipswich-city-council-call-to-resign/101248076

They should also perhaps take a look at what e.g. the Council’s CEO and general manager were up to.

From my time working for local govt., i can say that people in such roles can enjoy quite considerable latitude in approving their own rewards and allowances, with surprisingly little oversight or need for justification.

If councillors were getting away with this sort of thing, it’s unlikely that it was limited to just them.

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

Snouts in a very rich trough…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-19/qld-paul-tully-ipswich-city-council-call-to-resign/101248076

They should also perhaps take a look at what e.g. the Council’s CEO and general manager were up to.

From my time working for local govt., i can say that people in such roles can enjoy quite considerable latitude in approving their own rewards and allowances, with surprisingly little oversight or need for justification.

If councillors were getting away with this sort of thing, it’s unlikely that it was limited to just them.

Fair point.

dv said:

Michael V said:

Snouts in a very rich trough…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-19/qld-paul-tully-ipswich-city-council-call-to-resign/101248076

$10,652 for two nights’ accommodation in Abu Dhabi at the 5-star Emirates Palace hotel
$8,044 for a chartered helicopter flight from the Emirates Palace to a 7-star resort off the coast of Dubai
$17,982 for two nights’ accommodation in Paris at the 5-star Hotel Barriere Fouquet’s
$27,630 for a private charter jet booked for a six-day/five-night period and “used to fly from Paris to Rome to Sicily and then to Geneva”

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ROFLMFAO for a City of Ipswich councillor…

Surely it is possible to have a system in place whereby such expenses have to be approved in advance.

Surely you realise just how difficult it is to get a plane from Paris to Rome?

sibeen said:

dv said:

Michael V said:

Snouts in a very rich trough…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-19/qld-paul-tully-ipswich-city-council-call-to-resign/101248076

$10,652 for two nights’ accommodation in Abu Dhabi at the 5-star Emirates Palace hotel
$8,044 for a chartered helicopter flight from the Emirates Palace to a 7-star resort off the coast of Dubai
$17,982 for two nights’ accommodation in Paris at the 5-star Hotel Barriere Fouquet’s
$27,630 for a private charter jet booked for a six-day/five-night period and “used to fly from Paris to Rome to Sicily and then to Geneva”

——

ROFLMFAO for a City of Ipswich councillor…

Surely it is possible to have a system in place whereby such expenses have to be approved in advance.

Surely you realise just how difficult it is to get a plane from Paris to Rome?

What the fuck are they even doing there?

sibeen said:

dv said:

Michael V said:

Snouts in a very rich trough…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-19/qld-paul-tully-ipswich-city-council-call-to-resign/101248076

$10,652 for two nights’ accommodation in Abu Dhabi at the 5-star Emirates Palace hotel
$8,044 for a chartered helicopter flight from the Emirates Palace to a 7-star resort off the coast of Dubai
$17,982 for two nights’ accommodation in Paris at the 5-star Hotel Barriere Fouquet’s
$27,630 for a private charter jet booked for a six-day/five-night period and “used to fly from Paris to Rome to Sicily and then to Geneva”

——

ROFLMFAO for a City of Ipswich councillor…

Surely it is possible to have a system in place whereby such expenses have to be approved in advance.

Surely you realise just how difficult it is to get a plane chartered private jet from Paris to Rome?

Thought i’d fix it for you.

dv said:

sibeen said:

dv said:

$10,652 for two nights’ accommodation in Abu Dhabi at the 5-star Emirates Palace hotel
$8,044 for a chartered helicopter flight from the Emirates Palace to a 7-star resort off the coast of Dubai
$17,982 for two nights’ accommodation in Paris at the 5-star Hotel Barriere Fouquet’s
$27,630 for a private charter jet booked for a six-day/five-night period and “used to fly from Paris to Rome to Sicily and then to Geneva”

——

ROFLMFAO for a City of Ipswich councillor…

Surely it is possible to have a system in place whereby such expenses have to be approved in advance.

Surely you realise just how difficult it is to get a plane from Paris to Rome?

What the fuck are they even doing there?

Better restaurants than Brisbane.

captain_spalding said:

sibeen said:

dv said:

$10,652 for two nights’ accommodation in Abu Dhabi at the 5-star Emirates Palace hotel
$8,044 for a chartered helicopter flight from the Emirates Palace to a 7-star resort off the coast of Dubai
$17,982 for two nights’ accommodation in Paris at the 5-star Hotel Barriere Fouquet’s
$27,630 for a private charter jet booked for a six-day/five-night period and “used to fly from Paris to Rome to Sicily and then to Geneva”

——

ROFLMFAO for a City of Ipswich councillor…

Surely it is possible to have a system in place whereby such expenses have to be approved in advance.

Surely you realise just how difficult it is to get a plane chartered private jet from Paris to Rome?

Thought i’d fix it for you.

The jet trip thing actually sounds relatively cheap for a jet.

dv said:

sibeen said:

dv said:

$10,652 for two nights’ accommodation in Abu Dhabi at the 5-star Emirates Palace hotel
$8,044 for a chartered helicopter flight from the Emirates Palace to a 7-star resort off the coast of Dubai
$17,982 for two nights’ accommodation in Paris at the 5-star Hotel Barriere Fouquet’s
$27,630 for a private charter jet booked for a six-day/five-night period and “used to fly from Paris to Rome to Sicily and then to Geneva”

——

ROFLMFAO for a City of Ipswich councillor…

Surely it is possible to have a system in place whereby such expenses have to be approved in advance.

Surely you realise just how difficult it is to get a plane from Paris to Rome?

What the fuck are they even doing there?

Finding facts.

E.g.: helicopters are expensive to rent, 5-star hotels aren’t cheap (but, gosh, they’re nice).

Stuff like that.

Spiny Norman said:

captain_spalding said:

sibeen said:

Surely you realise just how difficult it is to get a plane chartered private jet from Paris to Rome?

Thought i’d fix it for you.

The jet trip thing actually sounds relatively cheap for a jet.

Yeah, i was thinking that, for exclusive use for days on end.

Good to see that they shopped around for a good deal, avoided unnecessary expense.

My wife used to regularly go on trade missions – in fact she has a few coming up this year.

usually the participants all stay, and travel together, and meetings are usually held in 5 or 6 star hotels… so while you have some control over expenses it’s not always possible to stay in the 4 star hotel down the road..

I think with these sorts of things it’s best that public officials are open and transparent with costs before they go.

And the hole that Johnny Barilaro is in gets just a little bit deeper:

ABC News:

‘Mr Barilaro’s former staffer said he was instructed to inquire about the commissioner role hiring arrangements He described his former boss as “an interesting character … keen and ambitious”

Another former staffer of John Barilaro has given evidence to the parliamentary inquiry into the former deputy premier’s appointment to a plum New York job.

A transcript of Joseph Brayford’s evidence to the inquiry has been released, a day after Mr Barilaro’s former chief of staff Mark Connell told the investigation his former boss had always wanted the US trade commissioner role.’

diddly-squat said:

My wife used to regularly go on trade missions – in fact she has a few coming up this year.

usually the participants all stay, and travel together, and meetings are usually held in 5 or 6 star hotels… so while you have some control over expenses it’s not always possible to stay in the 4 star hotel down the road..

I think with these sorts of things it’s best that public officials are open and transparent with costs before they go.

Was she a councillor in a small city local government authority?

diddly-squat said:

My wife used to regularly go on trade missions – in fact she has a few coming up this year.

usually the participants all stay, and travel together, and meetings are usually held in 5 or 6 star hotels… so while you have some control over expenses it’s not always possible to stay in the 4 star hotel down the road..

I think with these sorts of things it’s best that public officials are open and transparent with costs before they go.

How much do they usually allocate for private jets and helicopters?

dv said:

diddly-squat said:

My wife used to regularly go on trade missions – in fact she has a few coming up this year.

usually the participants all stay, and travel together, and meetings are usually held in 5 or 6 star hotels… so while you have some control over expenses it’s not always possible to stay in the 4 star hotel down the road..

I think with these sorts of things it’s best that public officials are open and transparent with costs before they go.

Was she a councillor in a small city local government authority?

no, she is part of senior management at a Go8 university

I’m not trying to justify the expenses, only saying that it’s easy to sit back and shoot arrows without having all the context. also need to know how many people traveled etc…

captain_spalding said:

diddly-squat said:

My wife used to regularly go on trade missions – in fact she has a few coming up this year.

usually the participants all stay, and travel together, and meetings are usually held in 5 or 6 star hotels… so while you have some control over expenses it’s not always possible to stay in the 4 star hotel down the road..

I think with these sorts of things it’s best that public officials are open and transparent with costs before they go.

How much do they usually allocate for private jets and helicopters?

in fairness she’s never travelled by private jet or helicopter… but I have, albeit not between Rome and Paris though… one thing for certain is that private air travel is outrageously expensive.

diddly-squat said:

I’m not trying to justify the expenses, only saying that it’s easy to sit back and shoot arrows without having all the context. also need to know how many people traveled etc…

They story particularly annoys me because i’ve had my own expenses fights with local govt.

When you’re asked to itemise and justify (‘surely there was something cheaper?’) what you selected from the breakfast menu at a Brisbane hotel, and then senior management rents a helicopter for a day to go to a Barrier Reef island to ‘have a look’ at whether or not a tourism commercial might be filmed there, it is indeed easy to sit back and shoot arrows.

captain_spalding said:

diddly-squat said:

I’m not trying to justify the expenses, only saying that it’s easy to sit back and shoot arrows without having all the context. also need to know how many people traveled etc…

They story particularly annoys me because i’ve had my own expenses fights with local govt.

When you’re asked to itemise and justify (‘surely there was something cheaper?’) what you selected from the breakfast menu at a Brisbane hotel, and then senior management rents a helicopter for a day to go to a Barrier Reef island to ‘have a look’ at whether or not a tourism commercial might be filmed there, it is indeed easy to sit back and shoot arrows.

I get it.. I work as a consultant and constantly have to justify all disbursements, and again I’m not saying that this wasn’t unjustified largesse, only saying that context is important.

diddly-squat said:

I get it.. I work as a consultant and constantly have to justify all disbursements, and again I’m not saying that this wasn’t unjustified largesse, only saying that context is important.

Agreed.

I hope those Ipswich boys can come up with some shit-hot context.

I’m not sure which is more infuriating: politicians who pocket public funds or take bribes for personal gain … or politicians who just burn through public money on luxuries that don’t really benefit themselves at all.
It’s like when Bishop was catching all that flack. There were a lot of things but one of the minor things was that she would spend $1000 going a few km from her house to the Opera House. It didn’t really benefit her to do that at all (unless she was somehow in cahoots with the limo company). Just callous disregard for the requirement to consider her employer’s needs.

dv said:

I’m not sure which is more infuriating: politicians who pocket public funds or take bribes for personal gain … or politicians who just burn through public money on luxuries that don’t really benefit themselves at all.
It’s like when Bishop was catching all that flack. There were a lot of things but one of the minor things was that she would spend $1000 going a few km from her house to the Opera House. It didn’t really benefit her to do that at all (unless she was somehow in cahoots with the limo company). Just callous disregard for the requirement to consider her employer’s needs.

there is a pretty entrenched sense of entitlement in the public service – Bishop caught limos because she felt she was entitled to do so

diddly-squat said:

dv said:

I’m not sure which is more infuriating: politicians who pocket public funds or take bribes for personal gain … or politicians who just burn through public money on luxuries that don’t really benefit themselves at all.
It’s like when Bishop was catching all that flack. There were a lot of things but one of the minor things was that she would spend $1000 going a few km from her house to the Opera House. It didn’t really benefit her to do that at all (unless she was somehow in cahoots with the limo company). Just callous disregard for the requirement to consider her employer’s needs.

there is a pretty entrenched sense of entitlement in the public service – Bishop caught limos because she felt she was entitled to do so

Did that knife trick as well

Cymek said:

diddly-squat said:

dv said:

I’m not sure which is more infuriating: politicians who pocket public funds or take bribes for personal gain … or politicians who just burn through public money on luxuries that don’t really benefit themselves at all.
It’s like when Bishop was catching all that flack. There were a lot of things but one of the minor things was that she would spend $1000 going a few km from her house to the Opera House. It didn’t really benefit her to do that at all (unless she was somehow in cahoots with the limo company). Just callous disregard for the requirement to consider her employer’s needs.

there is a pretty entrenched sense of entitlement in the public service – Bishop caught limos because she felt she was entitled to do so

Did that knife trick as well

It seems being a politician and misusing to outright stealing public monies isn’t considered a criminal offence.
Make it so and see what happens, the general public do something like that its considered a serious crime

Cymek said:

It seems being a politician and misusing to outright stealing public monies isn’t considered a criminal offence.
Make it so and see what happens, the general public do something like that its considered a serious crime

misappropriating public funds is a criminal offence

what about pork barreling then or is the median level of corruption so high these days that it doesn’t even rate

diddly-squat said:

Cymek said:

It seems being a politician and misusing to outright stealing public monies isn’t considered a criminal offence.
Make it so and see what happens, the general public do something like that its considered a serious crime

misappropriating public funds is a criminal offence

They rarely get charged

Cymek said:

diddly-squat said:

Cymek said:

It seems being a politician and misusing to outright stealing public monies isn’t considered a criminal offence.
Make it so and see what happens, the general public do something like that its considered a serious crime

misappropriating public funds is a criminal offence

They rarely get charged

They should be charged and appear in front of a magistrates or judge and if need be get jail time.

Cymek said:

diddly-squat said:

Cymek said:

It seems being a politician and misusing to outright stealing public monies isn’t considered a criminal offence.
Make it so and see what happens, the general public do something like that its considered a serious crime

misappropriating public funds is a criminal offence

They rarely get charged

in fairness, out and out misappropriation of public funds doesn’t happen all that often in Australia…

dv said:

dv said:

Analysis of the dynamics of the increasingly important 3 Candidate Preferred counts

https://www.tallyroom.com.au/47966

Drilling into this, it’s surprising, some of the seats that were close that, at first glance, didn’t appear to be.

In Hume, Penny Ackery didn’t take that Climate 200 money but her policies are basically tealish. She came within 1% of getting ahead of Labor in the 3CP count: if she had, she might have done better than Labor in the final 2CP. The final break was 58-42 in Angus Taylor’s favour versus Labor’s Greg Baines.

When I look at all the seats whose final three are Coalition, ALP and some teal Independent, where ALP is eliminated, I’m surprised at the number of those votes going to the Coalition. I would have assumed that someone who prefers the ALP over the Coalition would be almost certain to prefer a Teal over the Coalition: like 90-10. Instead the Teal-Coalition break is mostly only 70-30 to 80-20 in most seats.

Hopefully this will spell some invigoration of the public service with outside consultants only called upon when necessity requires:

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/albanese-goes-back-to-the-future-for-governing-20220720-p5b38b.html

Witty Rejoinder said:

Hopefully this will spell some invigoration of the public service with outside consultants only called upon when necessity requires:

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/albanese-goes-back-to-the-future-for-governing-20220720-p5b38b.html

re invigoration I should have said.

Secret documents detail a government regulator scrambling after then-energy minister Angus Taylor decided to effectively rip up decades-long contracts for carbon credits, gifting windfall profits of potentially billions of dollars to some private companies.
Revealed for the first time in documents obtained through the Freedom of Information (FOI) process, the government was warned the decision could:

Kill any new carbon-farming projects for five years, with investment to “effectively cease” Strand $500 million in recently announced projects from Telstra, BHP and Woodside Flood the market with carbon credits until 2026, leading to low prices and removing incentives to start projects Introduce the spectre of “sovereign risk which would result in reduced demand” due to the scale of the intervention.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-25/pre-election-carbon-credit-shake-up-foi-documents/101259776

>That on top of this, means that we really are lucky they didn’t win the election:

The Coalition government has created the rule allowing the minister to prevent new native vegetation projects if they are considered to be detrimental to farming and regional communities.

In a statement, Agriculture Minister David Littleproud and Energy and Emissions Reduction Minister Angus Taylor said new projects, beginning at a certain size, must get the Agriculture Minister’s approval from April 8.

“The agriculture minister will have a power of veto to prevent native forest vegetation projects from going ahead if they have an adverse impact on agricultural production or regional communities,” it said.

The minister’s right to veto will apply to projects covering more than 15 hectares, or more than one third of a farm.

“We don’t want to see entire farms locked up becoming havens for weeds and feral animals as families leave the land,” Mr Littleproud said.

“I will not hesitate to act to protect community and agricultural interest over corporates and passive investors.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2022-04-01/carbon-farming-projects-agriculture-minister-veto-power/100956816

roughbarked said:

Secret documents detail a government regulator scrambling after then-energy minister Angus Taylor decided to effectively rip up decades-long contracts for carbon credits, gifting windfall profits of potentially billions of dollars to some private companies.
Revealed for the first time in documents obtained through the Freedom of Information (FOI) process, the government was warned the decision could:

Kill any new carbon-farming projects for five years, with investment to “effectively cease” Strand $500 million in recently announced projects from Telstra, BHP and Woodside Flood the market with carbon credits until 2026, leading to low prices and removing incentives to start projects Introduce the spectre of “sovereign risk which would result in reduced demand” due to the scale of the intervention.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-25/pre-election-carbon-credit-shake-up-foi-documents/101259776

>That on top of this, means that we really are lucky they didn’t win the election:

The Coalition government has created the rule allowing the minister to prevent new native vegetation projects if they are considered to be detrimental to farming and regional communities.

In a statement, Agriculture Minister David Littleproud and Energy and Emissions Reduction Minister Angus Taylor said new projects, beginning at a certain size, must get the Agriculture Minister’s approval from April 8.

“The agriculture minister will have a power of veto to prevent native forest vegetation projects from going ahead if they have an adverse impact on agricultural production or regional communities,” it said.

The minister’s right to veto will apply to projects covering more than 15 hectares, or more than one third of a farm.

“We don’t want to see entire farms locked up becoming havens for weeds and feral animals as families leave the land,” Mr Littleproud said.

“I will not hesitate to act to protect community and agricultural interest over corporates and passive investors.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2022-04-01/carbon-farming-projects-agriculture-minister-veto-power/100956816

One of the reasons I place these greedy self-centered creeps last on my ballet paper. Why people give them a single vote is beyond me, they are so dishonest.

PermeateFree said:

roughbarked said:

Secret documents detail a government regulator scrambling after then-energy minister Angus Taylor decided to effectively rip up decades-long contracts for carbon credits, gifting windfall profits of potentially billions of dollars to some private companies.
Revealed for the first time in documents obtained through the Freedom of Information (FOI) process, the government was warned the decision could:

Kill any new carbon-farming projects for five years, with investment to “effectively cease” Strand $500 million in recently announced projects from Telstra, BHP and Woodside Flood the market with carbon credits until 2026, leading to low prices and removing incentives to start projects Introduce the spectre of “sovereign risk which would result in reduced demand” due to the scale of the intervention.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-25/pre-election-carbon-credit-shake-up-foi-documents/101259776

>That on top of this, means that we really are lucky they didn’t win the election:

The Coalition government has created the rule allowing the minister to prevent new native vegetation projects if they are considered to be detrimental to farming and regional communities.

In a statement, Agriculture Minister David Littleproud and Energy and Emissions Reduction Minister Angus Taylor said new projects, beginning at a certain size, must get the Agriculture Minister’s approval from April 8.

“The agriculture minister will have a power of veto to prevent native forest vegetation projects from going ahead if they have an adverse impact on agricultural production or regional communities,” it said.

The minister’s right to veto will apply to projects covering more than 15 hectares, or more than one third of a farm.

“We don’t want to see entire farms locked up becoming havens for weeds and feral animals as families leave the land,” Mr Littleproud said.

“I will not hesitate to act to protect community and agricultural interest over corporates and passive investors.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2022-04-01/carbon-farming-projects-agriculture-minister-veto-power/100956816

One of the reasons I place these greedy self-centered creeps last on my ballet paper. Why people give them a single vote is beyond me, they are so dishonest.

Carbon Credit is a cop out, not much better than doing nothing

Cymek said:

PermeateFree said:

roughbarked said:

Secret documents detail a government regulator scrambling after then-energy minister Angus Taylor decided to effectively rip up decades-long contracts for carbon credits, gifting windfall profits of potentially billions of dollars to some private companies.
Revealed for the first time in documents obtained through the Freedom of Information (FOI) process, the government was warned the decision could:

Kill any new carbon-farming projects for five years, with investment to “effectively cease” Strand $500 million in recently announced projects from Telstra, BHP and Woodside Flood the market with carbon credits until 2026, leading to low prices and removing incentives to start projects Introduce the spectre of “sovereign risk which would result in reduced demand” due to the scale of the intervention.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-25/pre-election-carbon-credit-shake-up-foi-documents/101259776

>That on top of this, means that we really are lucky they didn’t win the election:

The Coalition government has created the rule allowing the minister to prevent new native vegetation projects if they are considered to be detrimental to farming and regional communities.

In a statement, Agriculture Minister David Littleproud and Energy and Emissions Reduction Minister Angus Taylor said new projects, beginning at a certain size, must get the Agriculture Minister’s approval from April 8.

“The agriculture minister will have a power of veto to prevent native forest vegetation projects from going ahead if they have an adverse impact on agricultural production or regional communities,” it said.

The minister’s right to veto will apply to projects covering more than 15 hectares, or more than one third of a farm.

“We don’t want to see entire farms locked up becoming havens for weeds and feral animals as families leave the land,” Mr Littleproud said.

“I will not hesitate to act to protect community and agricultural interest over corporates and passive investors.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2022-04-01/carbon-farming-projects-agriculture-minister-veto-power/100956816

One of the reasons I place these greedy self-centered creeps last on my ballet paper. Why people give them a single vote is beyond me, they are so dishonest.

Carbon Credit is a cop out, not much better than doing nothing

Why do you say that?

Cymek said:

PermeateFree said:

roughbarked said:

Secret documents detail a government regulator scrambling after then-energy minister Angus Taylor decided to effectively rip up decades-long contracts for carbon credits, gifting windfall profits of potentially billions of dollars to some private companies.
Revealed for the first time in documents obtained through the Freedom of Information (FOI) process, the government was warned the decision could:

Kill any new carbon-farming projects for five years, with investment to “effectively cease” Strand $500 million in recently announced projects from Telstra, BHP and Woodside Flood the market with carbon credits until 2026, leading to low prices and removing incentives to start projects Introduce the spectre of “sovereign risk which would result in reduced demand” due to the scale of the intervention.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-25/pre-election-carbon-credit-shake-up-foi-documents/101259776

>That on top of this, means that we really are lucky they didn’t win the election:

The Coalition government has created the rule allowing the minister to prevent new native vegetation projects if they are considered to be detrimental to farming and regional communities.

In a statement, Agriculture Minister David Littleproud and Energy and Emissions Reduction Minister Angus Taylor said new projects, beginning at a certain size, must get the Agriculture Minister’s approval from April 8.

“The agriculture minister will have a power of veto to prevent native forest vegetation projects from going ahead if they have an adverse impact on agricultural production or regional communities,” it said.

The minister’s right to veto will apply to projects covering more than 15 hectares, or more than one third of a farm.

“We don’t want to see entire farms locked up becoming havens for weeds and feral animals as families leave the land,” Mr Littleproud said.

“I will not hesitate to act to protect community and agricultural interest over corporates and passive investors.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2022-04-01/carbon-farming-projects-agriculture-minister-veto-power/100956816

One of the reasons I place these greedy self-centered creeps last on my ballet paper. Why people give them a single vote is beyond me, they are so dishonest.

Carbon Credit is a cop out, not much better than doing nothing

It gives co2 emitters a strong reason to reduce them in order to save money. They are NOT a cop out.

Cymek said:

PermeateFree said:

roughbarked said:

Secret documents detail a government regulator scrambling after then-energy minister Angus Taylor decided to effectively rip up decades-long contracts for carbon credits, gifting windfall profits of potentially billions of dollars to some private companies.
Revealed for the first time in documents obtained through the Freedom of Information (FOI) process, the government was warned the decision could:

Kill any new carbon-farming projects for five years, with investment to “effectively cease” Strand $500 million in recently announced projects from Telstra, BHP and Woodside Flood the market with carbon credits until 2026, leading to low prices and removing incentives to start projects Introduce the spectre of “sovereign risk which would result in reduced demand” due to the scale of the intervention.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-25/pre-election-carbon-credit-shake-up-foi-documents/101259776

>That on top of this, means that we really are lucky they didn’t win the election:

The Coalition government has created the rule allowing the minister to prevent new native vegetation projects if they are considered to be detrimental to farming and regional communities.

In a statement, Agriculture Minister David Littleproud and Energy and Emissions Reduction Minister Angus Taylor said new projects, beginning at a certain size, must get the Agriculture Minister’s approval from April 8.

“The agriculture minister will have a power of veto to prevent native forest vegetation projects from going ahead if they have an adverse impact on agricultural production or regional communities,” it said.

The minister’s right to veto will apply to projects covering more than 15 hectares, or more than one third of a farm.

“We don’t want to see entire farms locked up becoming havens for weeds and feral animals as families leave the land,” Mr Littleproud said.

“I will not hesitate to act to protect community and agricultural interest over corporates and passive investors.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2022-04-01/carbon-farming-projects-agriculture-minister-veto-power/100956816

One of the reasons I place these greedy self-centered creeps last on my ballet paper. Why people give them a single vote is beyond me, they are so dishonest.

Carbon Credit is a cop out, not much better than doing nothing

it largely depends on the mechanism that is creating the credit… essentially there needs to be stringent guidelines on what actually constitutes as a credit in the first place and there also needs to be an independent body that is responsible for maintaining these guidelines and governance of the carbon credit market.

diddly-squat said:

Cymek said:

PermeateFree said:

One of the reasons I place these greedy self-centered creeps last on my ballet paper. Why people give them a single vote is beyond me, they are so dishonest.

Carbon Credit is a cop out, not much better than doing nothing

it largely depends on the mechanism that is creating the credit… essentially there needs to be stringent guidelines on what actually constitutes as a credit in the first place and there also needs to be an independent body that is responsible for maintaining these guidelines and governance of the carbon credit market.

I wouldn’t mind a credit on the rates on our covenanted bush that is growing trees.

aha now we know what USUKA submarines were really about

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-26/narco-drones-drug-trafficking-maritime-security-law-not-ready/101267898

These remote-controlled “narco-drones”, “narco-subs” or “underwater drones” herald a new era in international drug trafficking. Drugs and other illicit goods can now be transported across the oceans, controlled by a remote operator located anywhere in the world.

ps

There isn’t one universal definition of a “ship” or “vessel”. This makes it difficult to know when rights and duties attach to that ship. China, for example, has a shark-shaped drone used to gather intelligence. While a naval surveillance ship may be entitled to the freedom of navigation, it shouldn’t be presumed that such a small, uncrewed “vehicle” also enjoys this right.

of course not, law arises from Magna Carta and must only be interpreted as favourable to our allies, ASIANS don’t get it right

(yes yes wegedit, concept is actually relevant, just an unfortunate example no wait those submarines again wait)

The simplest response to this new criminal enterprise might be destroying any narco-drones captured at sea. International law doesn’t prohibit such a response, although environmental considerations would likely arise.

SCIENCE said:

‘aha now we know what USUKA submarines were really about’

‘of course not, law arises from Magna Carta and must only be interpreted as favourable to our allies, ASIANS don’t get it right

(yes yes wegedit, concept is actually relevant, just an unfortunate example no wait those submarines again wait)’

There are times when it’s not unreasonable to harbour a suspicion that SCIENCE and transition are one and the same person.

Tasmanian Liberal Bridget Archer says she is willing to again vote against her party in support of the government’s climate change bill.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-26/liberal-bridget-archer-willing-to-support-climate-bill/101269056

captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

‘aha now we know what USUKA submarines were really about’

‘of course not, law arises from Magna Carta and must only be interpreted as favourable to our allies, ASIANS don’t get it right

(yes yes wegedit, concept is actually relevant, just an unfortunate example no wait those submarines again wait)’

There are times when it’s not unreasonable to harbour a suspicion that SCIENCE and transition are one and the same person.

Quite often, actually.

buffy said:

captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

‘aha now we know what USUKA submarines were really about’

‘of course not, law arises from Magna Carta and must only be interpreted as favourable to our allies, ASIANS don’t get it right

(yes yes wegedit, concept is actually relevant, just an unfortunate example no wait those submarines again wait)’

There are times when it’s not unreasonable to harbour a suspicion that SCIENCE and transition are one and the same person.

Quite often, actually.

SCIENCE is far more intelligent.

buffy said:

captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

‘aha now we know what USUKA submarines were really about’

‘of course not, law arises from Magna Carta and must only be interpreted as favourable to our allies, ASIANS don’t get it right

(yes yes wegedit, concept is actually relevant, just an unfortunate example no wait those submarines again wait)’

There are times when it’s not unreasonable to harbour a suspicion that SCIENCE and transition are one and the same person.

Quite often, actually.

SCIENCE is far more intelligent.

ChrispenEvan said:

buffy said:

captain_spalding said:

Quite often, actually.

SCIENCE is far more intelligent.

A Jekyll and Hyde thing, perhaps?

I thought trans was franz and SCIENCE was MZL

O-oh…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-26/nsw-government-documents-about-us-trade-job-released/101269776

buffy said:

O-oh…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-26/nsw-government-documents-about-us-trade-job-released/101269776

Foot-in-mouth disease detected in NSW Parliament.

dv said:

I thought trans was franz and SCIENCE was MZL

you thought correctly.

ChrispenEvan said:

dv said:

I thought trans was franz and SCIENCE was MZL

you thought correctly.

Then again I used to think Boris was Chrispen

dv said:

ChrispenEvan said:

dv said:

I thought trans was franz and SCIENCE was MZL

you thought correctly.

Then again I used to think Boris was Chrispen

Trans also used to be Ontology.

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

ChrispenEvan said:

you thought correctly.

Then again I used to think Boris was Chrispen

Trans also used to be Ontology.

I was Clarabelles Granddaughter too, but I don’t think that was on this forum. I can’t remember the configuration of the name, nor the password (which I think related to my grandfather). So I can’t be that any more.

dv said:

ChrispenEvan said:

dv said:

I thought trans was franz and SCIENCE was MZL

you thought correctly.

Then again I used to think Boris was Chrispen

It’s a good guy/bad guy thing.

ChrispenEvan said:

dv said:

ChrispenEvan said:

you thought correctly.

Then again I used to think Boris was Chrispen

It’s a good guy/bad guy thing.

No, it is not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_toknJIOhEg

Link

Exploring a Tesla model X headlight

Big Clive.

Moses
As with many other biblical figures, outside the periphery of its own religion, it’s hard to provide concrete evidence that specific figures actually lived in the world today. As a result of the vague time frame presented by the bible, scientists have questioned whether someone like Moses actually existed. The parting of the red sea can be seen as an act of God, or as a naturally occurring force, depending on the person you are talking to.
————————————————————

Blimey!! now they are getting stuck into Moses.

When they say “scientists have questioned whether someone like Moses actually existed” what they really mean is “secular scientists have questioned whether someone like Moses actually existed”

Peak Warming Man said:

Moses
As with many other biblical figures, outside the periphery of its own religion, it’s hard to provide concrete evidence that specific figures actually lived in the world today. As a result of the vague time frame presented by the bible, scientists have questioned whether someone like Moses actually existed. The parting of the red sea can be seen as an act of God, or as a naturally occurring force, depending on the person you are talking to.
————————————————————

Blimey!! now they are getting stuck into Moses.

When they say “scientists have questioned whether someone like Moses actually existed” what they really mean is “secular scientists have questioned whether someone like Moses actually existed”

——————> Chat

ChrispenEvan said:

dv said:

ChrispenEvan said:

you thought correctly.

Then again I used to think Boris was Chrispen

It’s a good guy/bad guy thing.

Oh cool, like me and sibeen

Peak Warming Man said:

Moses
As with many other biblical figures, outside the periphery of its own religion, it’s hard to provide concrete evidence that specific figures actually lived in the world today. As a result of the vague time frame presented by the bible, scientists have questioned whether someone like Moses actually existed. The parting of the red sea can be seen as an act of God, or as a naturally occurring force, depending on the person you are talking to.
————————————————————

Blimey!! now they are getting stuck into Moses.

When they say “scientists have questioned whether someone like Moses actually existed” what they really mean is “secular scientists have questioned whether someone like Moses actually existed”

Where scientists are well credentialed historians.

Parliament

Parliament set for recall over failure to lodge Barilaro documents

The NSW upper house is likely to be recalled for an urgent sitting on Friday after the state government failed to release key documents relating to the controversial appointment of John Barilaro to a plum trade role.

NSW Labor’s acting leader in the upper house John Graham on Sunday wrote to the Legislative Council president Matthew Mason-Cox asking that the house be recalled.

Parliament was not due to sit again until late next month. In his letter, Graham asked Mason-Cox to use his powers to recall parliament, so the house could consider “the government’s failure to comply with an order of the house to produce certain documents regarding the appointment of Mr John Barilaro to the Senior Trade and Investment Commissioner position in New York”.

Graham’s letter said the opposition reserved its right to cancel its request if the government produced the documents before Friday.

Mason-Cox is required to recall Parliament if he is asked by the majority of upper house MPs. The Coalition does not control the numbers in that chamber which means the request is expected to succeed.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw/parliament-set-for-recall-over-failure-to-lodge-barilaro-documents-20220724-p5b44o.html

I hadn’t caught up with who was the new Speaker of the House of Reps.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Dick

I was listening to the Senate as I drove home from Hamilton just now. I learnt from Sen Anne Ruston that the reason the last government didn’t get Aged Care sorted out properly was because those dastardly Labor opposition folks kept blocking everything the LibNats tried to do. The next Senator to speak was a Labor lady (I missed her name) who said (without the sarcasm I am about to apply) that that was interesting, because over 10 years ago the then Labor government had started things rolling and they all got stopped with the Abbott etc governments, to the point that eventually the LibNats had to have a Royal Commission to find out what was happening.

buffy said:

I was listening to the Senate as I drove home from Hamilton just now. I learnt from Sen Anne Ruston that the reason the last government didn’t get Aged Care sorted out properly was because those dastardly Labor opposition folks kept blocking everything the LibNats tried to do. The next Senator to speak was a Labor lady (I missed her name) who said (without the sarcasm I am about to apply) that that was interesting, because over 10 years ago the then Labor government had started things rolling and they all got stopped with the Abbott etc governments, to the point that eventually the LibNats had to have a Royal Commission to find out what was happening.

Well the good news is that the Coalition is basically irrelevant in parliament now…

dv said:

buffy said:

I was listening to the Senate as I drove home from Hamilton just now. I learnt from Sen Anne Ruston that the reason the last government didn’t get Aged Care sorted out properly was because those dastardly Labor opposition folks kept blocking everything the LibNats tried to do. The next Senator to speak was a Labor lady (I missed her name) who said (without the sarcasm I am about to apply) that that was interesting, because over 10 years ago the then Labor government had started things rolling and they all got stopped with the Abbott etc governments, to the point that eventually the LibNats had to have a Royal Commission to find out what was happening.

Well the good news is that the Coalition is basically irrelevant in parliament now…

That was circling in my mind while AR was talking. Irrelevent, irrelevent, you are basically irrelevent…

https://fb.watch/exExbFPR2-/

Media Watch: Julia Bishop’s celebrity status

Do other find it ironic and not amusing that policy and decision makers tell us Australians are in for a hard time in regards to the cost of living they themselves won’t suffer.

buffy said:

I was listening to the Senate as I drove home from Hamilton just now. I learnt from Sen Anne Ruston that the reason the last government didn’t get Aged Care sorted out properly was because those dastardly Labor opposition folks kept blocking everything the LibNats tried to do. The next Senator to speak was a Labor lady (I missed her name) who said (without the sarcasm I am about to apply) that that was interesting, because over 10 years ago the then Labor government had started things rolling and they all got stopped with the Abbott etc governments, to the point that eventually the LibNats had to have a Royal Commission to find out what was happening.

nnnnn. Ruston.

Cymek said:

Do other find it ironic and not amusing that policy and decision makers tell us Australians are in for a hard time in regards to the cost of living they themselves won’t suffer.

Has it not always been thus?

roughbarked said:

Cymek said:

Do other find it ironic and not amusing that policy and decision makers tell us Australians are in for a hard time in regards to the cost of living they themselves won’t suffer.

Has it not always been thus?

True but it gets harder to trust them when the world is falling apart and they sit pretty.
Nothing changes does it

With heavy heart, the AEC has deregistered the Liberal Democrats.

Cymek said:

Do other find it ironic and not amusing that policy and decision makers tell us Australians are in for a hard time in regards to the cost of living they themselves won’t suffer.

It’s not as though the there is a plutocrats’ discount. Prices rise for everyone.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Cymek said:

Do other find it ironic and not amusing that policy and decision makers tell us Australians are in for a hard time in regards to the cost of living they themselves won’t suffer.

It’s not as though the there is a plutocrats’ discount. Prices rise for everyone.

ah but do the prices of discretionary goods and services rise by as much as the needs

Witty Rejoinder said:

Cymek said:

Do other find it ironic and not amusing that policy and decision makers tell us Australians are in for a hard time in regards to the cost of living they themselves won’t suffer.

It’s not as though the there is a plutocrats’ discount. Prices rise for everyone.

Though they have the buffer of actual income.

roughbarked said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Cymek said:

Do other find it ironic and not amusing that policy and decision makers tell us Australians are in for a hard time in regards to the cost of living they themselves won’t suffer.

It’s not as though the there is a plutocrats’ discount. Prices rise for everyone.

Though they have the buffer of actual income.

Well Cymek has a cushy public service job. Would he like it if those on the minimum wage suggested that Cymek has an easier time of it.

imagine if people with higher incomes had it easier than people on lower incomes

sarahs mum said:

buffy said:

I was listening to the Senate as I drove home from Hamilton just now. I learnt from Sen Anne Ruston that the reason the last government didn’t get Aged Care sorted out properly was because those dastardly Labor opposition folks kept blocking everything the LibNats tried to do. The next Senator to speak was a Labor lady (I missed her name) who said (without the sarcasm I am about to apply) that that was interesting, because over 10 years ago the then Labor government had started things rolling and they all got stopped with the Abbott etc governments, to the point that eventually the LibNats had to have a Royal Commission to find out what was happening.

nnnnn. Ruston.

Yes, I almost switched to RN, but then I thought…let’s see how she is managing….in denial, I would say.

roughbarked said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Cymek said:

Do other find it ironic and not amusing that policy and decision makers tell us Australians are in for a hard time in regards to the cost of living they themselves won’t suffer.

It’s not as though the there is a plutocrats’ discount. Prices rise for everyone.

Though they have the buffer of actual income.

That

Witty Rejoinder said:

roughbarked said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

It’s not as though the there is a plutocrats’ discount. Prices rise for everyone.

Though they have the buffer of actual income.

Well Cymek has a cushy public service job. Would he like it if those on the minimum wage suggested that Cymek has an easier time of it.

Easier time ?

buffy said:

sarahs mum said:

buffy said:

I was listening to the Senate as I drove home from Hamilton just now. I learnt from Sen Anne Ruston that the reason the last government didn’t get Aged Care sorted out properly was because those dastardly Labor opposition folks kept blocking everything the LibNats tried to do. The next Senator to speak was a Labor lady (I missed her name) who said (without the sarcasm I am about to apply) that that was interesting, because over 10 years ago the then Labor government had started things rolling and they all got stopped with the Abbott etc governments, to the point that eventually the LibNats had to have a Royal Commission to find out what was happening.

nnnnn. Ruston.

Yes, I almost switched to RN, but then I thought…let’s see how she is managing….in denial, I would say.

I think she has potential for great evil.

sarahs mum said:

buffy said:

sarahs mum said:

nnnnn. Ruston.

Yes, I almost switched to RN, but then I thought…let’s see how she is managing….in denial, I would say.

I think she has potential for great evil.

She may have completely missed her opportunity.

Cymek said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

roughbarked said:

Though they have the buffer of actual income.

Well Cymek has a cushy public service job. Would he like it if those on the minimum wage suggested that Cymek has an easier time of it.

Easier time ?

Sure. If those earning twice your income have it easier it follows that those earning half yours ie. the minimum wage, have it harder than you. Or are you claiming permanent victim hood?

Witty Rejoinder said:

Cymek said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Well Cymek has a cushy public service job. Would he like it if those on the minimum wage suggested that Cymek has an easier time of it.

Easier time ?

Sure. If those earning twice your income have it easier it follows that those earning half yours ie. the minimum wage, have it harder than you. Or are you claiming permanent victim hood?

No, that’s fair and I agree
I wasn’t singling myself out.
Millions of Australian will be stressed out but those saying its necessary won’t.

sarahs mum said:

buffy said:

sarahs mum said:

nnnnn. Ruston.

Yes, I almost switched to RN, but then I thought…let’s see how she is managing….in denial, I would say.

I think she has potential for great evil.

I mean she did have nine years in government, she made the most of her potential for great evil and can now rest on her laurels.

Cymek said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Cymek said:

Easier time ?

Sure. If those earning twice your income have it easier it follows that those earning half yours ie. the minimum wage, have it harder than you. Or are you claiming permanent victim hood?

No, that’s fair and I agree
I wasn’t singling myself out.
Millions of Australian will be stressed out but those saying its necessary won’t.

I don’t think that is true. Depending on what prices are rising it is perfectly possible that the wealthier face an greater burden.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Cymek said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Sure. If those earning twice your income have it easier it follows that those earning half yours ie. the minimum wage, have it harder than you. Or are you claiming permanent victim hood?

No, that’s fair and I agree
I wasn’t singling myself out.
Millions of Australian will be stressed out but those saying its necessary won’t.

I don’t think that is true. Depending on what prices are rising it is perfectly possible that the wealthier face an greater burden.

If whisky goes to 50% price rise, I’d probably still not be able to afford it.

Cymek said:

No, that’s fair and I agree
I wasn’t singling myself out.
Millions of Australian will be stressed out but those saying its necessary won’t.

What do you mean? You mean a good lot of us are gunna have to go without Netflix?

Education bureaucrat pockets $630,000 while suspended during misconduct investigation
By state political reporter Rachel Riga

Woodie said:

Cymek said:

No, that’s fair and I agree
I wasn’t singling myself out.
Millions of Australian will be stressed out but those saying its necessary won’t.

What do you mean? You mean a good lot of us are gunna have to go without Netflix?

Possibly
Netflix isn’t that expensive though.
Perhaps just maybe the way the world economy works is no longer viable, increasing profits (profit isn’t good enough it has to be more than the previous year) and forever increasing economic expansion.

ABC News:

‘John Barilaro asked to front inquiry over lucrative New York trade role
By state political reporter Ashleigh Raper
Former deputy premier John Barilaro is asked to appear before parliamentary inquiry investigating his controversial appointment to a plum trade role.’

Dj’u got some ‘splainin’ to do, Johnny!

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘John Barilaro asked to front inquiry over lucrative New York trade role
By state political reporter Ashleigh Raper
Former deputy premier John Barilaro is asked to appear before parliamentary inquiry investigating his controversial appointment to a plum trade role.’

Dj’u got some ‘splainin’ to do, Johnny!

Question 1: “Blah blah blah blah blah”
Answer: “I do not recall”

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘John Barilaro asked to front inquiry over lucrative New York trade role
By state political reporter Ashleigh Raper
Former deputy premier John Barilaro is asked to appear before parliamentary inquiry investigating his controversial appointment to a plum trade role.’

Dj’u got some ‘splainin’ to do, Johnny!

Micallef.. There’s a stench coming from the New South Wales government. That’d be the bottom of the barilaro.

Ian said:

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘John Barilaro asked to front inquiry over lucrative New York trade role
By state political reporter Ashleigh Raper
Former deputy premier John Barilaro is asked to appear before parliamentary inquiry investigating his controversial appointment to a plum trade role.’

Dj’u got some ‘splainin’ to do, Johnny!

Micallef.. There’s a stench coming from the New South Wales government. That’d be the bottom of the barilaro.

is that racist?

sarahs mum said:

Ian said:

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘John Barilaro asked to front inquiry over lucrative New York trade role
By state political reporter Ashleigh Raper
Former deputy premier John Barilaro is asked to appear before parliamentary inquiry investigating his controversial appointment to a plum trade role.’

Dj’u got some ‘splainin’ to do, Johnny!

Micallef.. There’s a stench coming from the New South Wales government. That’d be the bottom of the barilaro.

is that racist?

No. It is olfactory.

roughbarked said:

sarahs mum said:

Ian said:

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘John Barilaro asked to front inquiry over lucrative New York trade role
By state political reporter Ashleigh Raper
Former deputy premier John Barilaro is asked to appear before parliamentary inquiry investigating his controversial appointment to a plum trade role.’

Dj’u got some ‘splainin’ to do, Johnny!

Micallef.. There’s a stench coming from the New South Wales government. That’d be the bottom of the barilaro.

is that racist?

No. It is olfactory.

they said something about a plum trade role too

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

sarahs mum said:

is that racist?

No. It is olfactory.

they said something about a plum trade role too

Plum could be slang for balls

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

sarahs mum said:

is that racist?

No. It is olfactory.

they said something about a plum trade role too

I thought the common phrase was about apples

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

No. It is olfactory.

they said something about a plum trade role too

I thought the common phrase was about apples

She’ll be apples?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-28/foot-mouth-border-closure-call-politics/101276628

I found this an interesting read.

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-28/foot-mouth-border-closure-call-politics/101276628

I found this an interesting read.

The last election would have been so much better if dutton had not survived it.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-28/anao-finds-coalition-ignored-department-advice-regional-grants/101280274

And more things showing up.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-28/witness-j-decision-under-scrutiny/101280378

And more tidying up.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-28/government-drops-attempt-to-deport-aboriginal-australian/101279636

buffy said:

And more tidying up.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-28/government-drops-attempt-to-deport-aboriginal-australian/101279636

Nice

Michelle Grattan. She is quite complimentary about the treasurer.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-29/inflation-gdp-economic-outlook-chalmers/101279588

didn’t know that the French military were in the pay of Beijing but

One of France’s most senior defence figures is warning Australia that acquiring nuclear submarines will be “much more difficult” than the now scrapped plan to build a new fleet of conventionally powered boats.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-29/french-navy-warns-aukus-nuclear-submarine-plan-will-be-much-more/101280638

SCIENCE said:

didn’t know that the French military were in the pay of Beijing but

One of France’s most senior defence figures is warning Australia that acquiring nuclear submarines will be “much more difficult” than the now scrapped plan to build a new fleet of conventionally powered boats.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-29/french-navy-warns-aukus-nuclear-submarine-plan-will-be-much-more/101280638

Well, they would say that wouldn’t they.

Signs of strain in WA’s hospitals are continuing to grow, with the state admitting it is hundreds of doctors, midwives and nurses short, as it records its worst month on record for ambulance ramping.

So far this month, ambulances have spent more than 6,531 hours parked outside hospitals waiting to transfer patients.

That breaks the previous record of 6,525 set in August last year, and there are still three days left for the new record to rise even higher.

Fuckin labor

ALP national executive launches ‘intervention’ into Tasmanian Labor to repair branch

Years of damaging infighting and bitter spats have culminated in Labor’s Tasmanian branch being effectively taken over by the party’s national executive, in order for it to “improve the culture” and reinstate “trust”.

The move — described by the national executive as an “intervention” — follows consecutive Tasmanian state election losses, repeated changes of leadership, and damaging public rows at the local party’s highest level.

After presiding over two consecutive election losses in 2018 and 2021, Rebecca White made way for successor David O’Byrne, only for that to come apart after a few weeks due to allegations he sexually harassed a junior union employee more than a decade ago.

The party’s woes worsened when Labor’s health spokesman Bastian Seidel quit the party after only a year in the job, stating he “can’t work in a toxic environment”.

“I can’t work with people who constantly leak information to the media out of pure selfishness,” Dr Seidel said in December.

In a statement today, the Australian Labor Party’s (ALP) national secretary Paul Erickson said Tasmanian Labor needed a “circuit-breaker to rebuild”.

“This intervention is about improving the culture of the branch, reinstating trust, respect, transparency and a party-first approach to internal decision-making,” he said.

Former senators Doug Cameron and Nick Sherry have been appointed as administrators of the Tasmanian branch and will be “responsible for the governance and administration of the branch”, Mr Erickson said.

“Doug and Nick are respected universally across the labour movement, and bring significant campaign, governance and organisational experience to the task of rebuilding,” he said.

Mr Erickson said for the “period of the intervention” the operations of the Tasmanian State Conference and the current Administrative Committee “are suspended”.

——

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-29/labor-national-executive-takes-over-labor-tasmanian-branch/101282366

Extreme move

But yeah the underperformance of Labor in Tas State elections is something of an anomaly. They got 28% of the vote last time in an environment where approval levels of the state government were on a down.

It was also the only state where Labor did not enjoy a positive swing in the recent Federal eleciton.

dv said:

ALP national executive launches ‘intervention’ into Tasmanian Labor to repair branch

Years of damaging infighting and bitter spats have culminated in Labor’s Tasmanian branch being effectively taken over by the party’s national executive, in order for it to “improve the culture” and reinstate “trust”.

The move — described by the national executive as an “intervention” — follows consecutive Tasmanian state election losses, repeated changes of leadership, and damaging public rows at the local party’s highest level.

After presiding over two consecutive election losses in 2018 and 2021, Rebecca White made way for successor David O’Byrne, only for that to come apart after a few weeks due to allegations he sexually harassed a junior union employee more than a decade ago.

The party’s woes worsened when Labor’s health spokesman Bastian Seidel quit the party after only a year in the job, stating he “can’t work in a toxic environment”.

“I can’t work with people who constantly leak information to the media out of pure selfishness,” Dr Seidel said in December.

In a statement today, the Australian Labor Party’s (ALP) national secretary Paul Erickson said Tasmanian Labor needed a “circuit-breaker to rebuild”.

“This intervention is about improving the culture of the branch, reinstating trust, respect, transparency and a party-first approach to internal decision-making,” he said.

Former senators Doug Cameron and Nick Sherry have been appointed as administrators of the Tasmanian branch and will be “responsible for the governance and administration of the branch”, Mr Erickson said.

“Doug and Nick are respected universally across the labour movement, and bring significant campaign, governance and organisational experience to the task of rebuilding,” he said.

Mr Erickson said for the “period of the intervention” the operations of the Tasmanian State Conference and the current Administrative Committee “are suspended”.

——

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-29/labor-national-executive-takes-over-labor-tasmanian-branch/101282366

Extreme move

But yeah the underperformance of Labor in Tas State elections is something of an anomaly. They got 28% of the vote last time in an environment where approval levels of the state government were on a down.

It was also the only state where Labor did not enjoy a positive swing in the recent Federal eleciton.

true.

on the other hand gutwein isn’t as terrible as previous Liberal premiers. and it was the bible belt that swung away from Labor. here in Franklin we still voted left.

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

ALP national executive launches ‘intervention’ into Tasmanian Labor to repair branch

Years of damaging infighting and bitter spats have culminated in Labor’s Tasmanian branch being effectively taken over by the party’s national executive, in order for it to “improve the culture” and reinstate “trust”.

The move — described by the national executive as an “intervention” — follows consecutive Tasmanian state election losses, repeated changes of leadership, and damaging public rows at the local party’s highest level.

After presiding over two consecutive election losses in 2018 and 2021, Rebecca White made way for successor David O’Byrne, only for that to come apart after a few weeks due to allegations he sexually harassed a junior union employee more than a decade ago.

The party’s woes worsened when Labor’s health spokesman Bastian Seidel quit the party after only a year in the job, stating he “can’t work in a toxic environment”.

“I can’t work with people who constantly leak information to the media out of pure selfishness,” Dr Seidel said in December.

In a statement today, the Australian Labor Party’s (ALP) national secretary Paul Erickson said Tasmanian Labor needed a “circuit-breaker to rebuild”.

“This intervention is about improving the culture of the branch, reinstating trust, respect, transparency and a party-first approach to internal decision-making,” he said.

Former senators Doug Cameron and Nick Sherry have been appointed as administrators of the Tasmanian branch and will be “responsible for the governance and administration of the branch”, Mr Erickson said.

“Doug and Nick are respected universally across the labour movement, and bring significant campaign, governance and organisational experience to the task of rebuilding,” he said.

Mr Erickson said for the “period of the intervention” the operations of the Tasmanian State Conference and the current Administrative Committee “are suspended”.

——

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-29/labor-national-executive-takes-over-labor-tasmanian-branch/101282366

Extreme move

But yeah the underperformance of Labor in Tas State elections is something of an anomaly. They got 28% of the vote last time in an environment where approval levels of the state government were on a down.

It was also the only state where Labor did not enjoy a positive swing in the recent Federal eleciton.

true.

on the other hand gutwein isn’t as terrible as previous Liberal premiers. and it was the bible belt that swung away from Labor. here in Franklin we still voted left.

Given Jacquie Lambie Network’s good showing in Tasmania the Federal election, I wonder whether they can come close to Tasmania Legislative Assembly seats.

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

ALP national executive launches ‘intervention’ into Tasmanian Labor to repair branch

Years of damaging infighting and bitter spats have culminated in Labor’s Tasmanian branch being effectively taken over by the party’s national executive, in order for it to “improve the culture” and reinstate “trust”.

The move — described by the national executive as an “intervention” — follows consecutive Tasmanian state election losses, repeated changes of leadership, and damaging public rows at the local party’s highest level.

After presiding over two consecutive election losses in 2018 and 2021, Rebecca White made way for successor David O’Byrne, only for that to come apart after a few weeks due to allegations he sexually harassed a junior union employee more than a decade ago.

The party’s woes worsened when Labor’s health spokesman Bastian Seidel quit the party after only a year in the job, stating he “can’t work in a toxic environment”.

“I can’t work with people who constantly leak information to the media out of pure selfishness,” Dr Seidel said in December.

In a statement today, the Australian Labor Party’s (ALP) national secretary Paul Erickson said Tasmanian Labor needed a “circuit-breaker to rebuild”.

“This intervention is about improving the culture of the branch, reinstating trust, respect, transparency and a party-first approach to internal decision-making,” he said.

Former senators Doug Cameron and Nick Sherry have been appointed as administrators of the Tasmanian branch and will be “responsible for the governance and administration of the branch”, Mr Erickson said.

“Doug and Nick are respected universally across the labour movement, and bring significant campaign, governance and organisational experience to the task of rebuilding,” he said.

Mr Erickson said for the “period of the intervention” the operations of the Tasmanian State Conference and the current Administrative Committee “are suspended”.

——

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-29/labor-national-executive-takes-over-labor-tasmanian-branch/101282366

Extreme move

But yeah the underperformance of Labor in Tas State elections is something of an anomaly. They got 28% of the vote last time in an environment where approval levels of the state government were on a down.

It was also the only state where Labor did not enjoy a positive swing in the recent Federal eleciton.

true.

on the other hand gutwein isn’t as terrible as previous Liberal premiers. and it was the bible belt that swung away from Labor. here in Franklin we still voted left.

Given Jacquie Lambie Network’s good showing in Tasmania the Federal election, I wonder whether they can come close to Tasmania Legislative Assembly seats.

i think jacquie is stealing votes from both sides. Even i like how she asks people to respond to her on how she should vote.

sarahs mum said:

she asks people to respond to her on how she should vote.

wait are we talking about a representative democracy where there is democratic representation shock horror

SCIENCE said:

sarahs mum said:

she asks people to respond to her on how she should vote.

wait are we talking about a representative democracy where there is democratic representation shock horror

yeah. i know right….

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/the-feed/article/angus-taylor-was-asked-to-stop-calling-the-female-deputy-speaker-mr-speaker-he-couldnt/r8cq24wfr

Link

ChrispenEvan said:

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/the-feed/article/angus-taylor-was-asked-to-stop-calling-the-female-deputy-speaker-mr-speaker-he-couldnt/r8cq24wfr

Link

maybe we need a new non-gender pronoun for the Speaker of Parliament.

party_pants said:

ChrispenEvan said:

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/the-feed/article/angus-taylor-was-asked-to-stop-calling-the-female-deputy-speaker-mr-speaker-he-couldnt/r8cq24wfr

Link

maybe we need a new non-gender pronoun for the Speaker of Parliament.

Here’s a Dorothy (Dixer) for Angus:

captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

ChrispenEvan said:

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/the-feed/article/angus-taylor-was-asked-to-stop-calling-the-female-deputy-speaker-mr-speaker-he-couldnt/r8cq24wfr

Link

maybe we need a new non-gender pronoun for the Speaker of Parliament.

Here’s a Dorothy (Dixer) for Angus:

we thought the point of Dixer was that the target got to show off a good and beautiful answer

SCIENCE said:

captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

maybe we need a new non-gender pronoun for the Speaker of Parliament.

Here’s a Dorothy (Dixer) for Angus:

we thought the point of Dixer was that the target got to show off a good and beautiful answer

Go to it, Angus. Shows us what ya got.

Angus is a real dorothy dick

SCIENCE said:

captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

maybe we need a new non-gender pronoun for the Speaker of Parliament.

Here’s a Dorothy (Dixer) for Angus:

we thought the point of Dixer was that the target got to show off a good and beautiful answer

Yes, you are correct. Dorothy Dixer is rhyming slang for Sixer. It is from cricket of course, to hit a six. A Dorothy Dixer question is supposed to be friendly to the questionee, so they can “hit it for six” in a metaphorical/rhetorical sense. A slow half-volley on middle-and-leg type of thing.

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

captain_spalding said:

Here’s a Dorothy (Dixer) for Angus:

we thought the point of Dixer was that the target got to show off a good and beautiful answer

Yes, you are correct. Dorothy Dixer is rhyming slang for Sixer. It is from cricket of course, to hit a six. A Dorothy Dixer question is supposed to be friendly to the questionee, so they can “hit it for six” in a metaphorical/rhetorical sense. A slow half-volley on middle-and-leg type of thing.

We commend the member for their answer. Is there anything your government can’t do?

Witty Rejoinder said:

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

we thought the point of Dixer was that the target got to show off a good and beautiful answer

Yes, you are correct. Dorothy Dixer is rhyming slang for Sixer. It is from cricket of course, to hit a six. A Dorothy Dixer question is supposed to be friendly to the questionee, so they can “hit it for six” in a metaphorical/rhetorical sense. A slow half-volley on middle-and-leg type of thing.

We commend the member for their answer. Is there anything your government can’t do?

make people vote rationally

party_pants said:

Yes, you are correct. Dorothy Dixer is rhyming slang for Sixer. It is from cricket of course, to hit a six. A Dorothy Dixer question is supposed to be friendly to the questionee, so they can “hit it for six” in a metaphorical/rhetorical sense. A slow half-volley on middle-and-leg type of thing.

Dorothy Dix was a famous advice columnist who responded to letters from readers asking for advice on various matters.

She always gave what was mostly eminently sensible and well-thought-out advice.

Of course, having received the letters quite some time before her responses were published, she had the luxury of ample time to consider and formulate her answers.

A ‘Dorothy Dixer’ in Parliament gave similar advantages to the person of whom it was asked, as it had been pre-arranged well in advance that someone (usually one of ‘your own’ backbenchers) would ask this question, and you knew it was going to be asked, so you had had plenty of time to carefully craft your response.

captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

Yes, you are correct. Dorothy Dixer is rhyming slang for Sixer. It is from cricket of course, to hit a six. A Dorothy Dixer question is supposed to be friendly to the questionee, so they can “hit it for six” in a metaphorical/rhetorical sense. A slow half-volley on middle-and-leg type of thing.

Dorothy Dix was a famous advice columnist who responded to letters from readers asking for advice on various matters.

She always gave what was mostly eminently sensible and well-thought-out advice.

Of course, having received the letters quite some time before her responses were published, she had the luxury of ample time to consider and formulate her answers.

A ‘Dorothy Dixer’ in Parliament gave similar advantages to the person of whom it was asked, as it had been pre-arranged well in advance that someone (usually one of ‘your own’ backbenchers) would ask this question, and you knew it was going to be asked, so you had had plenty of time to carefully craft your response.

Do we have conflicting etymologies here?

in cricketing terms (and I wasn’t going to get into too much into detail), it is bringing on a shit bowler so the opposition can score runs quickly in order to set up a declaration.

party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

Yes, you are correct. Dorothy Dixer is rhyming slang for Sixer. It is from cricket of course, to hit a six. A Dorothy Dixer question is supposed to be friendly to the questionee, so they can “hit it for six” in a metaphorical/rhetorical sense. A slow half-volley on middle-and-leg type of thing.

Dorothy Dix was a famous advice columnist who responded to letters from readers asking for advice on various matters.

She always gave what was mostly eminently sensible and well-thought-out advice.

Of course, having received the letters quite some time before her responses were published, she had the luxury of ample time to consider and formulate her answers.

A ‘Dorothy Dixer’ in Parliament gave similar advantages to the person of whom it was asked, as it had been pre-arranged well in advance that someone (usually one of ‘your own’ backbenchers) would ask this question, and you knew it was going to be asked, so you had had plenty of time to carefully craft your response.

Do we have conflicting etymologies here?

in cricketing terms (and I wasn’t going to get into too much into detail), it is bringing on a shit bowler so the opposition can score runs quickly in order to set up a declaration.

It’s a term that can be applied to any ‘sitting duck’ situation set-up to benefit the initiating side.

For forty years it has been the habit of the Senate to have a member of the opposition be the Deputy President of the Senate. That role is now held by Andrew McLachlan

An exception was Mal Colston, who was a former Labour member but was an independent while he was Dep President of the Senate in the Howard govt. There was a long of anger at the time.

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

captain_spalding said:

Here’s a Dorothy (Dixer) for Angus:

we thought the point of Dixer was that the target got to show off a good and beautiful answer

Yes, you are correct. Dorothy Dixer is rhyming slang for Sixer. It is from cricket of course, to hit a six. A Dorothy Dixer question is supposed to be friendly to the questionee, so they can “hit it for six” in a metaphorical/rhetorical sense. A slow half-volley on middle-and-leg type of thing.

I don’t think that is true…

Spotted at a Texas restaurant

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-31/an-unemployment-rate-of-2-9-per-cent-could-happen/101282820

An unemployment rate of 2.9 per cent? Some economists think it’s possible. But then what happens?

then what happens, well that’s fucking easy, then your opinion trend setters will tell you that low unemployment is actually shit economic management, and look at the inflation and interest rates, see how shit Labor are at running the economy duh

It’s not a game anymore

by Charles Firth

The Shot

Well, that concludes the first week of parliament. It was the first time in nine years that bad faith arguments, infuriating distractions, corrupt foul-play and sexual gratification at the hands of office furniture haven’t been the main the guiding principle in the running of the country.

Let’s all take a moment to smile at that achievement.

There’s so much work to do. And plenty of great stuff straight out of the gate. Legislation to abolish the cruel, corrupt and racist Indue card, the defunding of the ABCC – a government funded union-bashing cop shop – and a solid (if hopelessly inadequate) goal to cut carbon emissions. There was even an acknowledgement that people lived on the country on which Parliament House is built for a long, long time before any of the Johnny-come-lately whities rocked up. (An acknowledgement shocking only in that the Senate hadn’t already been doing that. It’s 2022. Where are its manners?)

But a decade of sawdust is hard to sweep away in a moment.

It feels like Labor and the Greens need a gentle reminder that governing need not be the game that it’s been. Politics needn’t be done in bad faith.

If you’ve been pulling your hair out this week over the standoff between the Greens and Labor over the climate bill, you’re not alone.

From Labor’s perspective, climate is important, but so is trust, and they believe the best way to maintain trust with the electorate is to stick to their completely inadequate promise that they took to the election. A promise carefully calibrated, not to the exigencies of the climate emergency facing planet earth, but to offend the fewest number of people in the optimum number of key marginal seats.

Inadequate but definitely clever.

Surely if the Labor government took its plan for a climate apocalypse to the election, and the population endorsed their plan for a climate apocalypse, then they have a mandate to enshrine that apocalypse in legislation? To do otherwise risks giving something for the Murdoch media to start hitting Labor with. Better to get some runs on the board before you start kicking a bunch of own-goals. That’s Labor’s thinking, anyway.

The Greens, of course, see it differently. They point to the slim majority Labor enjoys in the lower house as proof that Labor’s mandate to destroy the planet in a fiery ball of climate collapse is weak. That a more ambitious, less apocalyptic goal that takes into account the Greens’ and Teals’ position, is a reasonable compromise. And in particular, a new idea, not mentioned in the bill: a ban on new coal and gas projects in Australia.

And it is this demand where the game begins. During the week, Anthony Albanese said that halting all new fossil fuel projects in Australia would have a “devastating impact on the Australian economy”.

The unspoken bit was that banning new coal and gas projects would have a devastating impact on the trust that Albanese feels he holds with those voters who, having spent the past decade being told by the Murdoch press that Labor are just economy-ruining wreckers who will jump in bed with the Greens the moment they get into power, think that Labor will just jump into bed with the Greens and ruin the economy the moment they get into power.

That’s why many Labor MPs are keen to go to the wall on the Greens’ demand. In some ways, the game of being able to define themselves as “not the Greens” is too tempting to pass up.

This is appalling. Of all the reasons to not ban new fossil fuel projects, it is a truly terrible reason. A lack-of-virtue signal to make Sky News viewers feel a little safer at night. But it’s this type of game that got Albanese elected and has allowed him to whip the new Labor caucus tightly around treading carefully, cautiously and catastrophically slowly on climate.

I grew up in the church of Labor, and so I understand the thinking. If your goal is to decarbonise the economy, treating such a massive reform as an iterative process in which stakeholders are brought along on a journey, is important. Leaping to the end bit where everyone has to stop doing the thing that’s killing them is not as powerful as going on a process where workers and industry willingly agree to stop doing the thing that’s killing them.

But at the end of the day, the legislative tactics Labor is engaging in treats the whole thing as a game. But here’s the massive rub: the Greens have also been playing their own games.

Adam Bandt has indicated that he may well support the amended bill, even without an outright ban on new fossil fuel projects in Australia. But in the process, he’s created a problem for the Greens. By pushing for something that Labor was never going to accept in order to create a point of difference between the Greens and Labor, he’s wedged himself. Having wished upon the bill stuff that was never on the table, he’ll look like a sell out supporting the bill, even though the bill is actually better than nothing.

Labor used to do that a lot. Whenever climate change threatened to split the Coalition, Labor turned up and allowed the Coalition’s bad faith games to define it as a battle between jobs and climate, or electricity bills and climate, or higher taxes and climate. Or whatever bad faith sawdust fuckwits like Abbott, Hockey, Morrison could dredge up.

A decade of sawdust.

As the sawdust clears, it’s clear that both Labor and the Greens are still spitting it out of their mouths. But they still retain a taste of the bad faith game playing they’ve been force fed. The dance between Labor and Greens this week reeks of the hollow, gamified moronic posturing that defined much of the past nine years.

Labor sees it as an opportunity to define their climate approach as being more moderate and sensible than the Greens. The Greens feel the need to be seen to be “better on climate” than Labor, and therefore are seemingly willing to go to the wall.

Come on, both of you. It’s not a game anymore.

—

There is a good reason the Coalition were able to treat politics like a game for so long and get away with it. They had the full backing of the vast majority of the commercial news media. Not just News Corp, but Seven (a mining supplies company that happens to own a television station), and Nine (whose political editor is essentially a coal lobbyist dressed up as a reporter).

It is worth taking a moment to smile about the fact that under Lachlan’s new, cretinous leadership at News Corp, he was able to lose the very first election he ran here. This is the first time in fifty years in Australia that a Murdoch has lost an election.

The newly cowered Murdoch press won’t stay that way for long. But in the meantime there is a real opportunity to strike. We need to move beyond (admittedly very fun) sticker campaigns, and start working out ways to peel back Murdoch’s power and reach. I’m not talking about Royal Commissions, but about the hard work of undermining his core businesses by directly taking him on. Let’s make Murdoch a synonym for “failed heir”.

If we want a parliament that isn’t scared to grow its climate ambitions, we need to start doing work that delivers such a thumping pro-planet mandate at the next election that all bets are off, and there’s no game for Labor to hide behind.

In Queensland, the Greens spent three years organising in their communities, running soup kitchens, providing tangible support, and being available in the community. Talking. Politicising. Building power by making enduring, trusting connections with their fellow neighbours. Their reward was three seats.

We need that kind of commitment across all areas of civil society, not just in a single political party. It is a broad coalition that encompasses anyone who doesn’t want their kids to die prematurely in a fiery ball of hell.

Rather than be bogged down by the games in Canberra, we need to roll up our sleeves and squeeze the last drops of hope out of our souls. In every walk of life, every profession, every community, there are discussions and decisions and organising we must start doing now that will pay enormous dividends in three years time. We need to put in the hard work so that in the next parliament the political calculations around climate targets are radically different.

It’s a big task. A lot of work. But it’s got to happen. Saving the planet is not a game anymore.

FFS, are they ever going to learn how to be decent human beings?

Spiny Norman said:

FFS, are they ever going to learn how to be decent human beings?

I don’t think so.
I’m glad my roof is approved by council.

Spiny Norman said:

FFS, are they ever going to learn how to be decent human beings?

SEP theory – Someone Else’s Problem.

party_pants said:

Spiny Norman said:

FFS, are they ever going to learn how to be decent human beings?

SEP theory – Someone Else’s Problem.

Yep.
One thing I’ve noticed about the LNP is that their master plan for reducing crime is to make what’s illegal more illegal.
Goddamn geniuses.

I don’t really understand the Greens’ tactics here.

Emissions reduction legislation is more central to the Greens’ ideology than it is to Labor.

There will be other bills that are more important to Labor than to the Greens: bills that the Greens don’t care about at all, or even bills that they mildly oppose but that aren’t as important to them than environmental issues. Surely the tactic should be to threaten to block them to get more stringent emissions reduction legislation, rather than threatening to block the emissions reduction legislation.

You don’t kidnap your own kids for ransom.

dv said:

I don’t really understand the Greens’ tactics here.

Emissions reduction legislation is more central to the Greens’ ideology than it is to Labor.

There will be other bills that are more important to Labor than to the Greens: bills that the Greens don’t care about at all, or even bills that they mildly oppose but that aren’t as important to them than environmental issues. Surely the tactic should be to threaten to block them to get more stringent emissions reduction legislation, rather than threatening to block the emissions reduction legislation.

You don’t kidnap your own kids for ransom.

Bandt really doesn’t have a leg to stand on in terms of negotiation – it’s clear that he is wary of the Green being seen to sit on the same side of the fence as the Coalition (again).

dv said:

You don’t kidnap your own kids for ransom.

but people do and it’s in the news every couple of years

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

You don’t kidnap your own kids for ransom.

but people do and it’s in the news every couple of years

Okay but it usually doesn’t end well…

ah well it’s always good to know that the people who become our leaders are the most qualified and highly recommended

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-08-01/nsw-more-barilaro-documents-released-by-inquiry/101287740

First Newspoll since election is 56-44 for ALP.
Dutton is at 25% in preferred prime minister poll.

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/7841513/pm-on-61pct-satisfaction-rating-newspoll/

dv said:

First Newspoll since election is 56-44 for ALP.
Dutton is at 25% in preferred prime minister poll.

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/7841513/pm-on-61pct-satisfaction-rating-newspoll/

there are people who like dutton?

dv said:

LOL

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

First Newspoll since election is 56-44 for ALP.
Dutton is at 25% in preferred prime minister poll.

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/7841513/pm-on-61pct-satisfaction-rating-newspoll/

there are people who like dutton?

It’s a weird world.

Albo has 61% approval, 26% disapproval, ie net approval of 35%.

These are the highest net approval numbers for a PM since the very early Turnbull days in 2015. Before that you have to go back to some of the initial Rudd numbers.

So on one hand it is probably representative of a “honeymoon” but on the other hand it’s much higher than Gillard, Abbott or Morrison ever had.

diddly-squat said:

dv said:

I don’t really understand the Greens’ tactics here.

Emissions reduction legislation is more central to the Greens’ ideology than it is to Labor.

There will be other bills that are more important to Labor than to the Greens: bills that the Greens don’t care about at all, or even bills that they mildly oppose but that aren’t as important to them than environmental issues. Surely the tactic should be to threaten to block them to get more stringent emissions reduction legislation, rather than threatening to block the emissions reduction legislation.

You don’t kidnap your own kids for ransom.

Bandt really doesn’t have a leg to stand on in terms of negotiation – it’s clear that he is wary of the Green being seen to sit on the same side of the fence as the Coalition (again).

dv said:

diddly-squat said:

dv said:

I don’t really understand the Greens’ tactics here.

Emissions reduction legislation is more central to the Greens’ ideology than it is to Labor.

There will be other bills that are more important to Labor than to the Greens: bills that the Greens don’t care about at all, or even bills that they mildly oppose but that aren’t as important to them than environmental issues. Surely the tactic should be to threaten to block them to get more stringent emissions reduction legislation, rather than threatening to block the emissions reduction legislation.

You don’t kidnap your own kids for ransom.

Bandt really doesn’t have a leg to stand on in terms of negotiation – it’s clear that he is wary of the Green being seen to sit on the same side of the fence as the Coalition (again).

Also if he could negotiate to say 45% they could both win. every little bit helps while no change is bad.

Michael V said:

dv said:

LOL

fixed

Andrew Wilkie MP – Independent Member for Clark
34 mins ·
A huge honour to occupy the Speaker’s Chair in the Federation Chamber today. As a member of the House of Representatives Speaker’s Panel, I will take the Chair in either parliamentary Chamber from time to time, but remain free to participate in all other aspects of the Parliament the rest of the time. This is the first time since Federation a non-Government/non-Opposition MP has controlled the Parliament. The role, which I share with fellow independent Rebekha Sharkie MP, reflects the evolution of the Parliament as the crossbench grows.

sarahs mum said:

Andrew Wilkie MP – Independent Member for Clark
34 mins ·
A huge honour to occupy the Speaker’s Chair in the Federation Chamber today. As a member of the House of Representatives Speaker’s Panel, I will take the Chair in either parliamentary Chamber from time to time, but remain free to participate in all other aspects of the Parliament the rest of the time. This is the first time since Federation a non-Government/non-Opposition MP has controlled the Parliament. The role, which I share with fellow independent Rebekha Sharkie MP, reflects the evolution of the Parliament as the crossbench grows.

That’s very good to see.

Spiny Norman said:

sarahs mum said:

Andrew Wilkie MP – Independent Member for Clark
34 mins ·
A huge honour to occupy the Speaker’s Chair in the Federation Chamber today. As a member of the House of Representatives Speaker’s Panel, I will take the Chair in either parliamentary Chamber from time to time, but remain free to participate in all other aspects of the Parliament the rest of the time. This is the first time since Federation a non-Government/non-Opposition MP has controlled the Parliament. The role, which I share with fellow independent Rebekha Sharkie MP, reflects the evolution of the Parliament as the crossbench grows.

That’s very good to see.

Interesting

dv said:

Spiny Norman said:

sarahs mum said:

Andrew Wilkie MP – Independent Member for Clark
34 mins ·
A huge honour to occupy the Speaker’s Chair in the Federation Chamber today. As a member of the House of Representatives Speaker’s Panel, I will take the Chair in either parliamentary Chamber from time to time, but remain free to participate in all other aspects of the Parliament the rest of the time. This is the first time since Federation a non-Government/non-Opposition MP has controlled the Parliament. The role, which I share with fellow independent Rebekha Sharkie MP, reflects the evolution of the Parliament as the crossbench grows.

That’s very good to see.

Interesting

yep.

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

Spiny Norman said:

That’s very good to see.

Interesting

yep.

A difficult role, he’s probably relieved that it’s only part-time.

Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

Interesting

yep.

A difficult role, he’s probably relieved that it’s only part-time.

Tony Smith will be a hard act to follow.

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

Spiny Norman said:

That’s very good to see.

Interesting

yep.

Very smart idea.

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

First Newspoll since election is 56-44 for ALP.
Dutton is at 25% in preferred prime minister poll.

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/7841513/pm-on-61pct-satisfaction-rating-newspoll/

there are people who like dutton?

It’s a weird world.

Albo has 61% approval, 26% disapproval, ie net approval of 35%.

These are the highest net approval numbers for a PM since the very early Turnbull days in 2015. Before that you have to go back to some of the initial Rudd numbers.

So on one hand it is probably representative of a “honeymoon” but on the other hand it’s much higher than Gillard, Abbott or Morrison ever had.

Especially weird considering hi lack of popularity before the election.

https://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/the-inflation-fix-protect-profits-hit-workers-and-consumers-20220731-p5b600.html

Link

ChrispenEvan said:

https://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/the-inflation-fix-protect-profits-hit-workers-and-consumers-20220731-p5b600.html

Link

at what point do wages catch up?

sarahs mum said:

ChrispenEvan said:

https://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/the-inflation-fix-protect-profits-hit-workers-and-consumers-20220731-p5b600.html

Link

at what point do wages catch up?

Never.

poikilotherm said:

sarahs mum said:

ChrispenEvan said:

https://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/the-inflation-fix-protect-profits-hit-workers-and-consumers-20220731-p5b600.html

Link

at what point do wages catch up?

Never.

Never’s a long time.

Witty Rejoinder said:

poikilotherm said:

sarahs mum said:

at what point do wages catch up?

Never.

Never’s a long time.

Particularly the 12th of Never.

Peak Warming Man said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

poikilotherm said:

Never.

Never’s a long time.

Particularly the 12th of Never.

That’s a long, long time.

Not good.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-08-02/michael-gunner-office-breakin/101290724

Michael V said:

Not good.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-08-02/michael-gunner-office-breakin/101290724

I didn’t even know that Gunner had resigned.

https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/politics/2022/08/01/icac-mps-misuse-of-public-money/

Link

https://thenewdaily.com.au/finance/finance-news/2022/08/01/gas-crackdown-accc-report/

Link

ChrispenEvan said:

https://thenewdaily.com.au/finance/finance-news/2022/08/01/gas-crackdown-accc-report/

Link

good

ChrispenEvan said:

https://thenewdaily.com.au/finance/finance-news/2022/08/01/gas-crackdown-accc-report/

Link

But surely with the Greens demanding that we shut down all gas fired generating plants we can send it all overseas without any issues.

sibeen said:

ChrispenEvan said:

https://thenewdaily.com.au/finance/finance-news/2022/08/01/gas-crackdown-accc-report/

Link

But surely with the Greens demanding that we shut down all gas fired generating plants we can send it all overseas without any issues.

Yeah but that might take until like next year

dv said:

sibeen said:

ChrispenEvan said:

https://thenewdaily.com.au/finance/finance-news/2022/08/01/gas-crackdown-accc-report/

Link

But surely with the Greens demanding that we shut down all gas fired generating plants we can send it all overseas without any issues.

Yeah but that might take until like next year

My bad.

On one hand, it should certainly be possible to protect Australian consumers from spikes in the prices of commodities we export. Australian natural gas exports have never had higher value, probably 40 billion dollars for the year … high gas prices ought to be good news for all Australians. That’s plenty of wealth to spread around so that the private industry and Australians qua taxpayers and Australians qua consumers get to enjoy the benefit. The companies need reasonable compensation since they’ve taken a risk but when the price doubles in the space of six months there’s no need for all that benefit to go to industry.

On the other hand, it should be noted that the government intervening to keep domestic prices low is technically a fossil fuel subsidy.

dv said:

On the other hand, it should be noted that the government intervening to keep domestic prices low is technically a fossil fuel subsidy.

if there had been more investment in renewable capacity over a decade, would the generation of power now be so much of an issue

NSW Trade Minister Stuart Ayres reflects on involvement in John Barilaro’s recruitment to lucrative New York role

Mr Ayres has told Nine Radio that Mr Barilaro’s application for Trade Commissioner to the Americas came too soon after he left parliament, and that he should have advised him not to apply for the role.
“If I had my time again, I would have said to him: ‘The time frame between the end of your parliamentary career and you applying for this job will be too politically sensitive and you should not consider doing the role’,” Mr Ayres said.

He accepted his job was on the line and he would be unable to continue as trade minister if the review found he acted improperly.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-08-02/nsw-minister-stuart-ayres-actions-in-best-interest-of-public/101290440

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

On the other hand, it should be noted that the government intervening to keep domestic prices low is technically a fossil fuel subsidy.

if there had been more investment in renewable capacity over a decade, would the generation of power now be so much of an issue

Yeah we’re not doing Dorothy Dixers any more.

With ScoMo now a backbencher does that mean he spends most of parliament scratching his balls

Cymek said:

With ScoMo now a backbencher does that mean he spends most of parliament scratching his balls

He missed the first week due to his worldwide victory tour

Cymek said:

With ScoMo now a backbencher does that mean he spends most of parliament scratching his balls

backbench mountin’

dv said:

On one hand, it should certainly be possible to protect Australian consumers from spikes in the prices of commodities we export. Australian natural gas exports have never had higher value, probably 40 billion dollars for the year … high gas prices ought to be good news for all Australians. That’s plenty of wealth to spread around so that the private industry and Australians qua taxpayers and Australians qua consumers get to enjoy the benefit. The companies need reasonable compensation since they’ve taken a risk but when the price doubles in the space of six months there’s no need for all that benefit to go to industry.

On the other hand, it should be noted that the government intervening to keep domestic prices low is technically a fossil fuel subsidy.

And coal prices are the highest they’ve ever been, and iron ore is well above long term averages, and wheat is close to all time highs; we should all be richer than Norwegians.

SCIENCE said:

Cymek said:

With ScoMo now a backbencher does that mean he spends most of parliament scratching his balls

backbench mountin’

ChrispenEvan said:

SCIENCE said:

Cymek said:

With ScoMo now a backbencher does that mean he spends most of parliament scratching his balls

backbench mountin’

Dunno why he didn’t take the retirement package to Hawaii.

roughbarked said:

ChrispenEvan said:

SCIENCE said:

backbench mountin’

Dunno why he didn’t take the retirement package to Hawaii.

because that would have looked like he had a dummy spit at loosing. this way he can exit and look like it is on his terms, more time with family excuse.

dv said:

On one hand, it should certainly be possible to protect Australian consumers from spikes in the prices of commodities we export. Australian natural gas exports have never had higher value, probably 40 billion dollars for the year … high gas prices ought to be good news for all Australians. That’s plenty of wealth to spread around so that the private industry and Australians qua taxpayers and Australians qua consumers get to enjoy the benefit. The companies need reasonable compensation since they’ve taken a risk but when the price doubles in the space of six months there’s no need for all that benefit to go to industry.

On the other hand, it should be noted that the government intervening to keep domestic prices low is technically a fossil fuel subsidy.

Nothing technical about it in my opinion.

High petrol and gas prices are an opportunity to have an effective price on CO2 emissions, and they are therefore a good thing.

ChrispenEvan said:

roughbarked said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Dunno why he didn’t take the retirement package to Hawaii.

because that would have looked like he had a dummy spit at loosing. this way he can exit and look like it is on his terms, more time with family excuse.

He always was a waffler.

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

On one hand, it should certainly be possible to protect Australian consumers from spikes in the prices of commodities we export. Australian natural gas exports have never had higher value, probably 40 billion dollars for the year … high gas prices ought to be good news for all Australians. That’s plenty of wealth to spread around so that the private industry and Australians qua taxpayers and Australians qua consumers get to enjoy the benefit. The companies need reasonable compensation since they’ve taken a risk but when the price doubles in the space of six months there’s no need for all that benefit to go to industry.

On the other hand, it should be noted that the government intervening to keep domestic prices low is technically a fossil fuel subsidy.

Nothing technical about it in my opinion.

High petrol and gas prices are an opportunity to have an effective price on CO2 emissions, and they are therefore a good thing.

Which would and could only be correct.

Eddie Obeid wanted to spend more time with the family.

Peak Warming Man said:

Eddie Obeid wanted to spend more time with the family.

You mean his mates in the Gaol?

roughbarked said:

ChrispenEvan said:

roughbarked said:

Dunno why he didn’t take the retirement package to Hawaii.

because that would have looked like he had a dummy spit at loosing. this way he can exit and look like it is on his terms, more time with family excuse.

He always was a waffler.

He’s waiting for instructions from Rupert.

dv said:

Cymek said:

With ScoMo now a backbencher does that mean he spends most of parliament scratching his balls

He missed the first week due to his worldwide victory tour

I thought he was missing. How come he didn’t have to turn up to work?

buffy said:

dv said:

Cymek said:

With ScoMo now a backbencher does that mean he spends most of parliament scratching his balls

He missed the first week due to his worldwide victory tour

I thought he was missing. How come he didn’t have to turn up to work?

He was busy sobbing in the corner.

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

dv said:

He missed the first week due to his worldwide victory tour

I thought he was missing. How come he didn’t have to turn up to work?

He was busy sobbing in the corner.

No excuse. Dock his pay. He is supposed to be in parliament this week.

buffy said:

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

I thought he was missing. How come he didn’t have to turn up to work?

He was busy sobbing in the corner.

No excuse. Dock his pay. He is supposed to be in parliament this week.

You and I would do that if we were in charge. ;)

Sole parents like myself are facing homelessness. It’s time our PM realised this is not the Australia he grew up in
Anonymous

Anthony Albanese may speak proudly of being raised by a single mum in public housing, but life has become a lot harsher for those with less

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/aug/01/sole-parents-like-myself-are-facing-homelessness-its-time-our-pm-realised-this-is-not-the-australia-he-grew-up-in#comment-157932140

so much for privilege, fuck this is stupid

Clive Palmer and Mark McGowan hard border defamation case ends with both awarded damages

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-08-02/clive-palmer-and-mark-mcgowan-defame-each-other-judge-finds/100098974

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/matthew-guy-s-chief-of-staff-resigns-20220801-p5b6dq.html

Link

Cymek said:

Ian said:

Stuart Ayres has resigned as trade minister and as deputy leader of the Liberal party after a draft report raised questions about his role in John Barilaro’s recruitment to a NSW government New York trade role.

nothing quite likely something to see here move along

flock immunity

SCIENCE said:

Cymek said:

Ian said:

Stuart Ayres has resigned as trade minister and as deputy leader of the Liberal party after a draft report raised questions about his role in John Barilaro’s recruitment to a NSW government New York trade role.

nothing quite likely something to see here move along

flock immunity

Stuart Ayres: ‘You owe me, Barilaro. You owe me big-time.’

Adam Bandt:

“That is why I can tell you today that tomorrow I will be joined by our Greens MPs in the House of Representatives in voting for the climate change bill and when the bill comes before the Senate, we will vote for it there as well.”

Thank fuck for that.

sibeen said:

Adam Bandt:

“That is why I can tell you today that tomorrow I will be joined by our Greens MPs in the House of Representatives in voting for the climate change bill and when the bill comes before the Senate, we will vote for it there as well.”

Thank fuck for that.

Seconded.

Michael V said:

sibeen said:

Adam Bandt:

“That is why I can tell you today that tomorrow I will be joined by our Greens MPs in the House of Representatives in voting for the climate change bill and when the bill comes before the Senate, we will vote for it there as well.”

Thank fuck for that.

Seconded.

+1

sibeen said:

Adam Bandt:

“That is why I can tell you today that tomorrow I will be joined by our Greens MPs in the House of Representatives in voting for the climate change bill and when the bill comes before the Senate, we will vote for it there as well.”

Thank fuck for that.

OMG, He’s now said they’ve put the government on notice, Mr Beeny Boy. On notice I tells ya. They’ll be all quaking in their boots within the hour.

On notice. WOW!!!

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-08-03/act-nt-voluntary-assisted-dying-house-of-representatives-vote/101294648

COPYSHARE

A bill to restore territory rights has passed in the House of Representatives this morning, edging the ACT and Northern Territory closer to being able to set their own laws on voluntary assisted dying.

This bill does not legalise voluntary assisted dying, but rather gives the territories the right to vote on it.

It will still have to undergo a vote in the Senate, where leading opponents of assisted dying blocked previous attempts to repeal the ban. Two of those opponents – former Liberal senators Eric Abetz and Zed Seselja – no longer hold Senate seats.

dv said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-08-03/act-nt-voluntary-assisted-dying-house-of-representatives-vote/101294648

COPYSHARE

A bill to restore territory rights has passed in the House of Representatives this morning, edging the ACT and Northern Territory closer to being able to set their own laws on voluntary assisted dying.

This bill does not legalise voluntary assisted dying, but rather gives the territories the right to vote on it.

It will still have to undergo a vote in the Senate, where leading opponents of assisted dying blocked previous attempts to repeal the ban. Two of those opponents – former Liberal senators Eric Abetz and Zed Seselja – no longer hold Senate seats.

so first Kansas and now the territories, major victories in preserving the possibility of killing the vulnerable, what is the world coming to

The Australian Greens
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BREAKING: The Greens have improved the climate bill and will pass it.
From Adam Bandt 👇
“We said from the start that we wanted to improve and pass the bill, and by pushing for important changes we have got Labor to agree to do more.
We have ‘Dutton-proofed’ the bill so future governments can’t go backwards on action.
We’ve made it harder for the Government to fund coal & gas, and secured greater transparency & accountability.
The Government will also consider Greens proposals to support coal and gas workers and communities. We’ve said it before and we’ll say it again: no one should be left behind.
But we are extremely disappointed that Labor made it clear during negotiations that they won’t lift their weak target and that they will open new coal and gas projects.
Right now there are 114 new coal and gas projects in the pipeline. You cannot put the fire out while pouring more fuel on it.
In this Parliament, the only obstacle to stronger climate action is Labor.
We will comb the entire budget for any public money, any subsidies, handouts or concessions going to fossil fuel corporations, and we will amend the Budget to remove them.
We will push to ensure the safeguard mechanism safeguards our future by stopping new coal and gas projects.
We will push for a climate trigger in our environmental laws.
And we will continue to fight individual projects around the country, like Beetaloo, Scarborough and Barossa.
It’s going to take all of us, showing up, speaking up and demanding an end to coal and gas.
When we work together, we can get great things done. So have hope. I do.”

sarahs mum said:

tone policing is the best, nobody cares about substance

sm, he had a good riposte.\

Greens MP called out for a ‘state of undress’
By Nigel Gladstone

New Greens MP for Griffith Max Chandler-Mather has had his dress sense criticised in the house while rising to ask his first question during question time without a tie.

Nationals MP Pat Conaghan interrupted Chandler-Mather’s question on the availability of public housing to raise a point of order. “I draw your attention to the state of undress of the member,” Conaghan said.

In his first speech, Chandler-Mather said: “Technically, I should be kicked out of Parliament if I don’t dress like a businessman, but you’re more than welcome to vote for laws that materially benefit corporations that also happen to donate millions of dollars to your political party.”

https://www.smh.com.au/national/australia-news-live-rba-flags-hit-to-economy-jobs-after-lifting-interest-rates-again-liberals-to-oppose-climate-bill-20220802-p5b6od.html

He campaigned on a penny-farthing bicycle, he rode up to Parliament House on a BMW motorbike to take his seat, and he upset traditionalists by sprawling on the parliamentary benches, with unkempt beard and clad in a black leather jacket

https://biography.senate.gov.au/sanders-norman-karl/

sarahs mum said:

He campaigned on a penny-farthing bicycle, he rode up to Parliament House on a BMW motorbike to take his seat, and he upset traditionalists by sprawling on the parliamentary benches, with unkempt beard and clad in a black leather jacket

https://biography.senate.gov.au/sanders-norman-karl/

Once again Sanders arrived on his BMW, having ridden it up the Hume Highway, though he bought a new, brown, leather jacket, stating that this better suited his more impressive status as a senator. The change of colour from his usual black did not impress Senate President Doug McClelland, who requested him not to wear it in the chamber. Despite this, the Tasmanian senator continued to attract publicity, not least through riding his sailboard on Lake Burley Griffin

sarahs mum said:

sarahs mum said:

He campaigned on a penny-farthing bicycle, he rode up to Parliament House on a BMW motorbike to take his seat, and he upset traditionalists by sprawling on the parliamentary benches, with unkempt beard and clad in a black leather jacket

https://biography.senate.gov.au/sanders-norman-karl/

Once again Sanders arrived on his BMW, having ridden it up the Hume Highway, though he bought a new, brown, leather jacket, stating that this better suited his more impressive status as a senator. The change of colour from his usual black did not impress Senate President Doug McClelland, who requested him not to wear it in the chamber. Despite this, the Tasmanian senator continued to attract publicity, not least through riding his sailboard on Lake Burley Griffin

Perhaps the only thing decent about some of the MP’s is their clothing

sarahs mum said:

sarahs mum said:

He campaigned on a penny-farthing bicycle, he rode up to Parliament House on a BMW motorbike to take his seat, and he upset traditionalists by sprawling on the parliamentary benches, with unkempt beard and clad in a black leather jacket

https://biography.senate.gov.au/sanders-norman-karl/

Once again Sanders arrived on his BMW, having ridden it up the Hume Highway, though he bought a new, brown, leather jacket, stating that this better suited his more impressive status as a senator. The change of colour from his usual black did not impress Senate President Doug McClelland, who requested him not to wear it in the chamber. Despite this, the Tasmanian senator continued to attract publicity, not least through riding his sailboard on Lake Burley Griffin

wow. still alive. living in byron.

Cymek said:

sarahs mum said:

sarahs mum said:

He campaigned on a penny-farthing bicycle, he rode up to Parliament House on a BMW motorbike to take his seat, and he upset traditionalists by sprawling on the parliamentary benches, with unkempt beard and clad in a black leather jacket

https://biography.senate.gov.au/sanders-norman-karl/

Once again Sanders arrived on his BMW, having ridden it up the Hume Highway, though he bought a new, brown, leather jacket, stating that this better suited his more impressive status as a senator. The change of colour from his usual black did not impress Senate President Doug McClelland, who requested him not to wear it in the chamber. Despite this, the Tasmanian senator continued to attract publicity, not least through riding his sailboard on Lake Burley Griffin

Perhaps the only thing decent about some of the MP’s is their clothing

Next he’ll be jumping over a shark…

I see another minister has quit in Tasmania, four this year.

dv said:

sm, he had a good riposte.\

Greens MP called out for a ‘state of undress’
By Nigel Gladstone

New Greens MP for Griffith Max Chandler-Mather has had his dress sense criticised in the house while rising to ask his first question during question time without a tie.

Nationals MP Pat Conaghan interrupted Chandler-Mather’s question on the availability of public housing to raise a point of order. “I draw your attention to the state of undress of the member,” Conaghan said.

In his first speech, Chandler-Mather said: “Technically, I should be kicked out of Parliament if I don’t dress like a businessman, but you’re more than welcome to vote for laws that materially benefit corporations that also happen to donate millions of dollars to your political party.”

https://www.smh.com.au/national/australia-news-live-rba-flags-hit-to-economy-jobs-after-lifting-interest-rates-again-liberals-to-oppose-climate-bill-20220802-p5b6od.html

these Greens fellas really have their modern rhetorical engagement and media training sorted don’t they, we all remember the Google it mate don’t we

dv said:

I see another minister has quit in Tasmania, four this year.

which one?

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

I see another minister has quit in Tasmania, four this year.

which one?

Police minister Jacqui Petrusma

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

I see another minister has quit in Tasmania, four this year.

which one?

Police minister Jacqui Petrusma

Ah. Yes I heard this yesterday. but only as a headline going past on the teev.

Thank Turnbull For That $444M Donation

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-08-04/great-barrier-reef-report-says-coral-recovering-after-bleaching/101296186

Why Barilaro’s New York job saga is an own goal for NSW Premier
By state political reporter Ashleigh Raper

Bandt is a distorter of political truth’: Keating says Greens are Labor’s enemy

The former prime minister defended Labor’s environmental record after Adam Bandt described the government as “neoliberal” and “now the party of the centre-right”.

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/bandt-is-a-bounder-keating-fires-up-in-climate-wars-as-greens-back-albanese-bill-20220803-p5b6y1.html

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So does that make the Greens centre-left? I’d expect they’d hate the use of ‘centre’ in any way…

communists really coming out of the woodwork now

https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/politics/2022/08/03/climate-bill-lower-house/

Witty Rejoinder said:

Bandt is a distorter of political truth’: Keating says Greens are Labor’s enemy

The former prime minister defended Labor’s environmental record after Adam Bandt described the government as “neoliberal” and “now the party of the centre-right”.

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/bandt-is-a-bounder-keating-fires-up-in-climate-wars-as-greens-back-albanese-bill-20220803-p5b6y1.html

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So does that make the Greens centre-left? I’d expect they’d hate the use of ‘centre’ in any way…

But Labor is now centre right. Although I am happy for albanese to prove me wrong.

sarahs mum said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Bandt is a distorter of political truth’: Keating says Greens are Labor’s enemy

The former prime minister defended Labor’s environmental record after Adam Bandt described the government as “neoliberal” and “now the party of the centre-right”.

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/bandt-is-a-bounder-keating-fires-up-in-climate-wars-as-greens-back-albanese-bill-20220803-p5b6y1.html

…

So does that make the Greens centre-left? I’d expect they’d hate the use of ‘centre’ in any way…

But Labor is now centre right. Although I am happy for albanese to prove me wrong.

In fairness Keating was a big privatiser. More so than Labor now.

‘Better than any lottery ticket’: Bid to head off massive super bill for bureaucrats’ rent-free homes

Three bureaucrats’ bid to include the value of their free overseas accommodation in their superannuation calculation is expected to be stymied by retrospective legislation aimed at saving taxpayers up to $8 billion.

The government will rush the legislation to parliament this week and hopes to have it passed within days, ahead of a Federal Court ruling on the bureaucrats’ case.

Its advice is if the case brought by Brendan Peace, Peter Fennell and Timothy Vistarini succeeds, it could open the door to claims from some 10,000 public servants posted overseas since 1986. It is estimated this could cost the Commonwealth between $3 billion and $8 billion.

Accommodation provided to diplomats and other public servants posted overseas includes luxury homes such as the high commissioner to the United Kingdom’s residence, Stoke Lodge, and the Manhattan riverside apartment for the New York consul-general.

Court documents show the postings covered by the court case involved rent-free accommodation provided by the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade and AusAID in Solomon Islands, Papua New Guinea and Myanmar.

https://www.watoday.com.au/politics/federal/bid-to-stop-8-billion-superannuation-claim-for-bureaucrats-rent-free-homes-20220802-p5b6ji.html

https://andrewwilkie.org/andrew-moves-amendments-to-the-climate-change-bill-2022/

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Bandt is a distorter of political truth’: Keating says Greens are Labor’s enemy

The former prime minister defended Labor’s environmental record after Adam Bandt described the government as “neoliberal” and “now the party of the centre-right”.

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/bandt-is-a-bounder-keating-fires-up-in-climate-wars-as-greens-back-albanese-bill-20220803-p5b6y1.html

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So does that make the Greens centre-left? I’d expect they’d hate the use of ‘centre’ in any way…

But Labor is now centre right. Although I am happy for albanese to prove me wrong.

In fairness Keating was a big privatiser. More so than Labor now.

Yeah, I read the article and thought about Qantas + Comm bank :)

I still don’t think that Labor is centre right.

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Bandt is a distorter of political truth’: Keating says Greens are Labor’s enemy

The former prime minister defended Labor’s environmental record after Adam Bandt described the government as “neoliberal” and “now the party of the centre-right”.

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/bandt-is-a-bounder-keating-fires-up-in-climate-wars-as-greens-back-albanese-bill-20220803-p5b6y1.html

…

So does that make the Greens centre-left? I’d expect they’d hate the use of ‘centre’ in any way…

But Labor is now centre right. Although I am happy for albanese to prove me wrong.

In fairness Keating was a big privatiser. More so than Labor now.

regardless wouldn’t be the first time some jokers started a war over their inability to resolve their own confusion between “enemy” or “rival” or “competitor” so

sarahs mum said:

https://andrewwilkie.org/andrew-moves-amendments-to-the-climate-change-bill-2022/

look at this cynical move by the communists to pretend that consensus is a good thing

The federal government did not need the votes of crossbenchers in the lower house to pass its climate target bill, but it agreed to support amendments moved by a number of independents.

SCIENCE said:

sarahs mum said:

https://andrewwilkie.org/andrew-moves-amendments-to-the-climate-change-bill-2022/

look at this cynical move by the communists to pretend that consensus is a good thing

The federal government did not need the votes of crossbenchers in the lower house to pass its climate target bill, but it agreed to support amendments moved by a number of independents.

oho so we forgot those staffing cuts mighty quickly didn’t we

Independent MP Zali Steggall, who toppled former prime minister Tony Abbott in 2019, said negotiations on the first major piece of legislation to be brought to parliament had been much more collaborative than with the previous government. “I can only say the evidence so far is that there is a genuine desire from senior ministers in the government to work with us, they have heard the calls from our communities,” Ms Steggall said.

they’re just trying to make poor misunderstood Corruption look bad

dv said:

‘Better than any lottery ticket’: Bid to head off massive super bill for bureaucrats’ rent-free homes

Three bureaucrats’ bid to include the value of their free overseas accommodation in their superannuation calculation is expected to be stymied by retrospective legislation aimed at saving taxpayers up to $8 billion.

The government will rush the legislation to parliament this week and hopes to have it passed within days, ahead of a Federal Court ruling on the bureaucrats’ case.

Its advice is if the case brought by Brendan Peace, Peter Fennell and Timothy Vistarini succeeds, it could open the door to claims from some 10,000 public servants posted overseas since 1986. It is estimated this could cost the Commonwealth between $3 billion and $8 billion.

Accommodation provided to diplomats and other public servants posted overseas includes luxury homes such as the high commissioner to the United Kingdom’s residence, Stoke Lodge, and the Manhattan riverside apartment for the New York consul-general.

Court documents show the postings covered by the court case involved rent-free accommodation provided by the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade and AusAID in Solomon Islands, Papua New Guinea and Myanmar.

https://www.watoday.com.au/politics/federal/bid-to-stop-8-billion-superannuation-claim-for-bureaucrats-rent-free-homes-20220802-p5b6ji.html

So how does this work?

Are they saying their superannuation payment should include 12% (or whatever it is these days) of the rent they didn’t pay on their over-sized accommodation?

Perhaps they have a point, as long as their income is reduced by 100% of the rent.

sarahs mum said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Bandt is a distorter of political truth’: Keating says Greens are Labor’s enemy

The former prime minister defended Labor’s environmental record after Adam Bandt described the government as “neoliberal” and “now the party of the centre-right”.

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/bandt-is-a-bounder-keating-fires-up-in-climate-wars-as-greens-back-albanese-bill-20220803-p5b6y1.html

…

So does that make the Greens centre-left? I’d expect they’d hate the use of ‘centre’ in any way…

But Labor is now centre right. Although I am happy for albanese to prove me wrong.

The union movement is centre-right?

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

‘Better than any lottery ticket’: Bid to head off massive super bill for bureaucrats’ rent-free homes

Three bureaucrats’ bid to include the value of their free overseas accommodation in their superannuation calculation is expected to be stymied by retrospective legislation aimed at saving taxpayers up to $8 billion.

The government will rush the legislation to parliament this week and hopes to have it passed within days, ahead of a Federal Court ruling on the bureaucrats’ case.

Its advice is if the case brought by Brendan Peace, Peter Fennell and Timothy Vistarini succeeds, it could open the door to claims from some 10,000 public servants posted overseas since 1986. It is estimated this could cost the Commonwealth between $3 billion and $8 billion.

Accommodation provided to diplomats and other public servants posted overseas includes luxury homes such as the high commissioner to the United Kingdom’s residence, Stoke Lodge, and the Manhattan riverside apartment for the New York consul-general.

Court documents show the postings covered by the court case involved rent-free accommodation provided by the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade and AusAID in Solomon Islands, Papua New Guinea and Myanmar.

https://www.watoday.com.au/politics/federal/bid-to-stop-8-billion-superannuation-claim-for-bureaucrats-rent-free-homes-20220802-p5b6ji.html

So how does this work?

Are they saying their superannuation payment should include 12% (or whatever it is these days) of the rent they didn’t pay on their over-sized accommodation?

Perhaps they have a point, as long as their income is reduced by 100% of the rent.

I think they are saying their rent was part of their remuneration package. I wonder if they paid tax on the total amount or if we, the tax payer, paid fringe benefits tax on it.

Witty Rejoinder said:

sarahs mum said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Bandt is a distorter of political truth’: Keating says Greens are Labor’s enemy

The former prime minister defended Labor’s environmental record after Adam Bandt described the government as “neoliberal” and “now the party of the centre-right”.

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/bandt-is-a-bounder-keating-fires-up-in-climate-wars-as-greens-back-albanese-bill-20220803-p5b6y1.html

…

So does that make the Greens centre-left? I’d expect they’d hate the use of ‘centre’ in any way…

But Labor is now centre right. Although I am happy for albanese to prove me wrong.

The union movement is centre-right?

The Labor party goes beyond the union movement these days. but as I said I am willing for Albanese to prove me wrong.

sarahs mum said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

sarahs mum said:

But Labor is now centre right. Although I am happy for albanese to prove me wrong.

The union movement is centre-right?

The Labor party goes beyond the union movement these days. but as I said I am willing for Albanese to prove me wrong.

The mafia I agree

sarahs mum said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

sarahs mum said:

But Labor is now centre right. Although I am happy for albanese to prove me wrong.

The union movement is centre-right?

The Labor party goes beyond the union movement these days. but as I said I am willing for Albanese to prove me wrong.

Umm the ALP is the political wing of the union movement. All members are required to be members of a union in their respective employment. Fully half of the delegates at state and federal conference are elected by the union membership

You seem to be hung up on identifying as far left when discounting minor parties the Greens represent the far left of the electorate. To think Labor isn’t centre-left means disregarding any sensible understanding of where on the social and economic spectrum political parties in Australia are identified. To say the Greens are centre-left is tantamount to saying that 90% of the Australian electorate are right-wing.

Witty Rejoinder said:

sarahs mum said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

The union movement is centre-right?

The Labor party goes beyond the union movement these days. but as I said I am willing for Albanese to prove me wrong.

Umm the ALP is the political wing of the union movement. All members are required to be members of a union in their respective employment. Fully half of the delegates at state and federal conference are elected by the union membership

You seem to be hung up on identifying as far left when discounting minor parties the Greens represent the far left of the electorate. To think Labor isn’t centre-left means disregarding any sensible understanding of where on the social and economic spectrum political parties in Australia are identified. To say the Greens are centre-left is tantamount to saying that 90% of the Australian electorate are right-wing.

So the only alternatives are “centre-left” and “right-wing”?

What happenrd to “center”, “centre-right” and “right”?

And what is so far-lefty about the Greens anyway?

I haven’t heard them saying all companies should be nationalised, or anything like that.

Witty Rejoinder said:

sarahs mum said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

The union movement is centre-right?

The Labor party goes beyond the union movement these days. but as I said I am willing for Albanese to prove me wrong.

Umm the ALP is the political wing of the union movement. All members are required to be members of a union in their respective employment. Fully half of the delegates at state and federal conference are elected by the union membership

You seem to be hung up on identifying as far left when discounting minor parties the Greens represent the far left of the electorate. To think Labor isn’t centre-left means disregarding any sensible understanding of where on the social and economic spectrum political parties in Australia are identified. To say the Greens are centre-left is tantamount to saying that 90% of the Australian electorate are right-wing.

>>All members are required to be members of a union in their respective employment. <<

You sure about that? Not for Victorian membership. Although you do get a discount on your subs if you are a union member.

https://viclabor.com.au/membership/join/

The Rev Dodgson said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

sarahs mum said:

The Labor party goes beyond the union movement these days. but as I said I am willing for Albanese to prove me wrong.

Umm the ALP is the political wing of the union movement. All members are required to be members of a union in their respective employment. Fully half of the delegates at state and federal conference are elected by the union membership

You seem to be hung up on identifying as far left when discounting minor parties the Greens represent the far left of the electorate. To think Labor isn’t centre-left means disregarding any sensible understanding of where on the social and economic spectrum political parties in Australia are identified. To say the Greens are centre-left is tantamount to saying that 90% of the Australian electorate are right-wing.

So the only alternatives are “centre-left” and “right-wing”?

What happenrd to “center”, “centre-right” and “right”?

And what is so far-lefty about the Greens anyway?

I haven’t heard them saying all companies should be nationalised, or anything like that.

what about addressing the purist aspect as well, hey did you hear the Liberal party are called the Liberal party what shall we make of that

The Rev Dodgson said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

sarahs mum said:

The Labor party goes beyond the union movement these days. but as I said I am willing for Albanese to prove me wrong.

Umm the ALP is the political wing of the union movement. All members are required to be members of a union in their respective employment. Fully half of the delegates at state and federal conference are elected by the union membership

You seem to be hung up on identifying as far left when discounting minor parties the Greens represent the far left of the electorate. To think Labor isn’t centre-left means disregarding any sensible understanding of where on the social and economic spectrum political parties in Australia are identified. To say the Greens are centre-left is tantamount to saying that 90% of the Australian electorate are right-wing.

So the only alternatives are “centre-left” and “right-wing”?

What happenrd to “center”, “centre-right” and “right”?

And what is so far-lefty about the Greens anyway?

I haven’t heard them saying all companies should be nationalised, or anything like that.

Certainly there’s degrees of left, centre, right across the spectrum of the electorate but when it comes to how voters would describe themselves, those who consistantly vote ALP would usually describe themselves as left or centre-left and those who consistantly vote Coaltion would describe themselves as right or centre-right. And certainly in the centre there also proud unionists in the ALP who are more socially conservative than moderate socially progressive Liberals but then again you’ll seldom find proud unionists in the Liberal Party.

My metric for how we describe the political parties is to ask what party people with certainly policy positions vote for and divvy up the electorate accordingly. In this way the ALP represents the centre-left and the Greens further to the left than that.

Now I understand the reluctance of those in the Greens to call themselves _far_-left considering the absolute nutcases who occupy the far-right and any guilt by association with the use of ‘far’ but IMO it is the most sensible description for those who represent the most left-wing 10% of voters.

And as for the Green’s policy positions I am not sure of all of them and would certainly not lump in all Greens voters together when the Greens attract both environmentalists from the tradionally Labpor electorates and also more conservative traditonally Liberal electorates but the policies of the Greens are available online.

This from the Greens website:

“The Greens plan is to restore public ownership of essential services and fund our public services properly, instead of giving billions to big corporations.

So the things we all need are owned by us all and benefit everyone, not just the billionaires and big corporations”.

https://greens.org.au/platform/services

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

sarahs mum said:

The Labor party goes beyond the union movement these days. but as I said I am willing for Albanese to prove me wrong.

Umm the ALP is the political wing of the union movement. All members are required to be members of a union in their respective employment. Fully half of the delegates at state and federal conference are elected by the union membership

You seem to be hung up on identifying as far left when discounting minor parties the Greens represent the far left of the electorate. To think Labor isn’t centre-left means disregarding any sensible understanding of where on the social and economic spectrum political parties in Australia are identified. To say the Greens are centre-left is tantamount to saying that 90% of the Australian electorate are right-wing.

>>All members are required to be members of a union in their respective employment. <<

You sure about that? Not for Victorian membership. Although you do get a discount on your subs if you are a union member.

https://viclabor.com.au/membership/join/

You could be right. Perhaps more an expectation rather than a rule.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Surely a pretty good summary of the centre-left position.

Tries again
Witty Rejoinder said:

This from the Greens website:

“The Greens plan is to restore public ownership of essential services and fund our public services properly, instead of giving billions to big corporations.

So the things we all need are owned by us all and benefit everyone, not just the billionaires and big corporations”.

https://greens.org.au/platform/services

Surely a pretty good summary of the centre-left position.