Date: 16/07/2022 11:33:35
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1909379
Subject: In Figures

ChrispenEvan said:


Change my mind.

I agree with that. Particularly as regards to morality.

Morality can be expressed in figures. Bentham’s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felicific_calculus
Any morality not expressed in figures is merely opinion.

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Date: 16/07/2022 11:51:24
From: transition
ID: 1909386
Subject: re: In Figures

mollwollfumble said:


ChrispenEvan said:

Change my mind.

I agree with that. Particularly as regards to morality.

Morality can be expressed in figures. Bentham’s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felicific_calculus
Any morality not expressed in figures is merely opinion.

>Any morality not expressed in figures is merely opinion.

that’s wrong, and you’ve used the word merely in that way that wants me to give you a good spanking

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Date: 16/07/2022 11:54:03
From: Tamb
ID: 1909387
Subject: re: In Figures

transition said:


mollwollfumble said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Change my mind.

I agree with that. Particularly as regards to morality.

Morality can be expressed in figures. Bentham’s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felicific_calculus
Any morality not expressed in figures is merely opinion.

>Any morality not expressed in figures is merely opinion.

that’s wrong, and you’ve used the word merely in that way that wants me to give you a good spanking


If it can only be expressed in figures IMO it is not worth expressing.

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Date: 16/07/2022 12:15:22
From: party_pants
ID: 1909390
Subject: re: In Figures

My opinion on this thread can be expressed in numbers (e.g. care factor = zero).

Therefore my opinion is science.

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Date: 16/07/2022 12:30:59
From: buffy
ID: 1909400
Subject: re: In Figures

mollwollfumble said:


ChrispenEvan said:

Change my mind.

I agree with that. Particularly as regards to morality.

Morality can be expressed in figures. Bentham’s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felicific_calculus
Any morality not expressed in figures is merely opinion.

But does it mean figures as in numbers or figures as in graphs and diagrams? Because diagrams don’t necessarily need to have numbers.

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Date: 16/07/2022 12:32:22
From: dv
ID: 1909401
Subject: re: In Figures

buffy said:


mollwollfumble said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Change my mind.

I agree with that. Particularly as regards to morality.

Morality can be expressed in figures. Bentham’s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felicific_calculus
Any morality not expressed in figures is merely opinion.

But does it mean figures as in numbers or figures as in graphs and diagrams? Because diagrams don’t necessarily need to have numbers.

Figures as in spectres

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Date: 16/07/2022 12:37:58
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1909407
Subject: re: In Figures

dv said:

buffy said:

mollwollfumble said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Change my mind.

I agree with that. Particularly as regards to morality.

Morality can be expressed in figures. Bentham’s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felicific_calculus
Any morality not expressed in figures is merely opinion.

But does it mean figures as in numbers or figures as in graphs and diagrams? Because diagrams don’t necessarily need to have numbers.

Figures as in spectres

figures as in hieroglyphics sorry we mean glyphs sorry we mean characters sorry we mean letters sorry we mean language oh wait

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Date: 16/07/2022 12:43:25
From: transition
ID: 1909411
Subject: re: In Figures

Tamb said:


transition said:

mollwollfumble said:

I agree with that. Particularly as regards to morality.

Morality can be expressed in figures. Bentham’s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felicific_calculus
Any morality not expressed in figures is merely opinion.

>Any morality not expressed in figures is merely opinion.

that’s wrong, and you’ve used the word merely in that way that wants me to give you a good spanking


If it can only be expressed in figures IMO it is not worth expressing.

you need start with a proximal? working concept of (even a native ‘feel’ would do), and work with various other concepts

i’d agree with moll if his proposition more asserted assumptions are required and necessary for the work, and large part of the work is in interrogating the assumptions, not to eliminate assumptions but to highlight the importance of them, if his proposition more went to the level of abstraction regard that

so morality starts with philosophy, or metaphysics really

an obvious example of moll’s proposition being wrong is that the required operating space for a person to do their thing often remains unmeasured and unmeasurable, it’s a space of potentials, substantially unshared, it’s a space

technically you could have a morality that was entirely measured, yet involved none of the above much at all

a good measure of the existence of morality might more be that individuals exhibited some esoteric knowledge, metaphysics about their experience of world and self

an absence of such esoteria (i’ll call it, though properly probably esoterica is the correct term), anyway an absence might indicate reduced morality, reduced capacity for thinking about it, or even moral decline

moll’s used the word merely, applied of opinion, to mean nothing more than, it’s hard not to consider it might lend to dismissiveness and worse, but consider it applied of the real world to a developing child, it would be potentially brutal I would think

i’d suggest morality very much involves negotiated opinions, and that the negotiated opinions can be that they remain largely separated

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Date: 16/07/2022 14:36:08
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1909463
Subject: re: In Figures

mollwollfumble said:


ChrispenEvan said:

Change my mind.

I agree with that. Particularly as regards to morality.

Morality can be expressed in figures. Bentham’s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felicific_calculus
Any morality not expressed in figures is merely opinion.

Observation is science. Not everything can be measured.

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Date: 16/07/2022 14:46:24
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1909468
Subject: re: In Figures

PermeateFree said:


mollwollfumble said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Change my mind.

I agree with that. Particularly as regards to morality.

Morality can be expressed in figures. Bentham’s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felicific_calculus
Any morality not expressed in figures is merely opinion.

Observation is science. Not everything can be measured.

True. By the character length metric, not everything has a measure of 14.

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