Date: 30/07/2022 20:56:54
From: KJW
ID: 1914881
Subject: The Riddle That Seems Impossible Even If You Know The Answer

The YouTube video The Riddle That Seems Impossible Even If You Know The Answer describes an interesting mathematical problem as well as its solution. Briefly, the problem is as follows:

In a prison, there are 100 prisoners labelled from 1 to 100. In a room within the prison, there are 100 boxes labelled from 1 to 100 on the outside. Inside each box is also labelled from 1 to 100, with the number inside the box being generally unrelated to the number outside the box. All the prisoners go into the room one at a time to try to identify the box containing their own number on the inside. Each prisoner is allowed to look in no more than 50 boxes. If every prisoner finds his own number, then all the prisoners will be freed. But if any prisoner fails to find his own number, then all the prisoners will be executed. Each prisoner must leave the room in the same state as it was before he entered the room. None of the prisoners can observe another prisoner’s search. Nor is any prisoner allowed to communicate with any of the other prisoners after he has completed his search. However, before any of the prisoners search, all of the prisoners are allowed to gather to formulate a search strategy. What should this search strategy be?

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Date: 30/07/2022 21:16:24
From: Kingy
ID: 1914883
Subject: re: The Riddle That Seems Impossible Even If You Know The Answer

KJW said:


The YouTube video The Riddle That Seems Impossible Even If You Know The Answer describes an interesting mathematical problem as well as its solution. Briefly, the problem is as follows:

In a prison, there are 100 prisoners labelled from 1 to 100. In a room within the prison, there are 100 boxes labelled from 1 to 100 on the outside. Inside each box is also labelled from 1 to 100, with the number inside the box being generally unrelated to the number outside the box. All the prisoners go into the room one at a time to try to identify the box containing their own number on the inside. Each prisoner is allowed to look in no more than 50 boxes. If every prisoner finds his own number, then all the prisoners will be freed. But if any prisoner fails to find his own number, then all the prisoners will be executed. Each prisoner must leave the room in the same state as it was before he entered the room. None of the prisoners can observe another prisoner’s search. Nor is any prisoner allowed to communicate with any of the other prisoners after he has completed his search. However, before any of the prisoners search, all of the prisoners are allowed to gather to formulate a search strategy. What should this search strategy be?

Kill the guards and escape.

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Date: 30/07/2022 23:07:55
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1914914
Subject: re: The Riddle That Seems Impossible Even If You Know The Answer

> What should this search strategy be?

I’ll give it some thought.

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Date: 30/07/2022 23:11:58
From: dv
ID: 1914915
Subject: re: The Riddle That Seems Impossible Even If You Know The Answer

Kind of a … weird one because they are like it is supposed to be amazing that you can improve your odds to about 30% whereas that seems unremarkable, basically what I’d expect, just by winnowing down the possibilities

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Date: 31/07/2022 20:31:50
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1915192
Subject: re: The Riddle That Seems Impossible Even If You Know The Answer

Maybe it’s understood that as each prisoner enters and finds a particular number they re arrange the boxes into above 50 or below 50

You work out a strategy where each successive prisoner sorts the boxes, if you are prisoner 17 you head toward the boxes below 50 ( say on the left hand side) as each prisoner enters they further sort into high side of below 50 and low side of 50 ??

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Date: 31/07/2022 20:35:56
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1915193
Subject: re: The Riddle That Seems Impossible Even If You Know The Answer

Or cheat

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Date: 31/07/2022 20:56:56
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1915200
Subject: re: The Riddle That Seems Impossible Even If You Know The Answer

or read the transcript

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Date: 31/07/2022 20:56:56
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1915201
Subject: re: The Riddle That Seems Impossible Even If You Know The Answer

or read the transcript

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Date: 31/07/2022 20:58:04
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1915202
Subject: re: The Riddle That Seems Impossible Even If You Know The Answer

twice

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Date: 31/07/2022 22:08:06
From: party_pants
ID: 1915219
Subject: re: The Riddle That Seems Impossible Even If You Know The Answer

I did watch the video. Sounded convincing, but I am still not convinced you will always end up in the correct loop on your opening move.

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Date: 1/08/2022 07:40:49
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1915271
Subject: re: The Riddle That Seems Impossible Even If You Know The Answer

party_pants said:

I am still not convinced you will always end up in the correct loop on your opening move.

um

every sequence has to end up looping back to its start at some stage

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Date: 1/08/2022 09:47:19
From: Arts
ID: 1915306
Subject: re: The Riddle That Seems Impossible Even If You Know The Answer

KJW said:


The YouTube video The Riddle That Seems Impossible Even If You Know The Answer describes an interesting mathematical problem as well as its solution. Briefly, the problem is as follows:

In a prison, there are 100 prisoners labelled from 1 to 100. In a room within the prison, there are 100 boxes labelled from 1 to 100 on the outside. Inside each box is also labelled from 1 to 100, with the number inside the box being generally unrelated to the number outside the box. All the prisoners go into the room one at a time to try to identify the box containing their own number on the inside. Each prisoner is allowed to look in no more than 50 boxes. If every prisoner finds his own number, then all the prisoners will be freed. But if any prisoner fails to find his own number, then all the prisoners will be executed. Each prisoner must leave the room in the same state as it was before he entered the room. None of the prisoners can observe another prisoner’s search. Nor is any prisoner allowed to communicate with any of the other prisoners after he has completed his search. However, before any of the prisoners search, all of the prisoners are allowed to gather to formulate a search strategy. What should this search strategy be?

the first one has to get theirs correct or they will all be executed… so they have a 50/50 chance…

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Date: 2/08/2022 09:49:41
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1915678
Subject: re: The Riddle That Seems Impossible Even If You Know The Answer

dv said:


Kind of a … weird one because they are like it is supposed to be amazing that you can improve your odds to about 30% whereas that seems unremarkable, basically what I’d expect, just by winnowing down the possibilities

Now watched it (first 7 minutes anyway).

It seems pretty unintuitive to me.

I still don’t see why picking a sequence defined by the numbers in the box is way, way better than just picking boxes at random.

I’m off to see if it works.

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