I wonder if spooky action at a distance works in other universes?

Tau.Neutrino said:

I wonder if spooky action at a distance works in other universes?

What makes you think there are other universes?

Tau.Neutrino said:

I wonder if spooky action at a distance works in other universes?

Or between them

dv said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

I wonder if spooky action at a distance works in other universes?

What makes you think there are other universes?

This one appeared into existence.

dv said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

I wonder if spooky action at a distance works in other universes?

What makes you think there are other universes?

What makes you think there aren’t?

It seems a reasonable default assumption to me.

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

I wonder if spooky action at a distance works in other universes?

What makes you think there are other universes?

What makes you think there aren’t?

It seems a reasonable default assumption to me.

But anyway, I don’t think “action at a distance” is “spooky”.

We just don’t know how it works.

The Rev Dodgson said:

What makes you think there aren’t?

I’ve expressed no opinion on it. TN has invited us to give an answer regarding something he’s speculating on and I’m highlighting the futility.

The Rev Dodgson said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

What makes you think there are other universes?

What makes you think there aren’t?

It seems a reasonable default assumption to me.

But anyway, I don’t think “action at a distance” is “spooky”.

We just don’t know how it works.

It’s a reference to an Einstein quote.

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

What makes you think there aren’t?

It seems a reasonable default assumption to me.

But anyway, I don’t think “action at a distance” is “spooky”.

We just don’t know how it works.

It’s a reference to an Einstein quote.

I know that, but it is frequently used in the context that action at a distance really is spooky.

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

But anyway, I don’t think “action at a distance” is “spooky”.

We just don’t know how it works.

It’s a reference to an Einstein quote.

I know that, but it is frequently used in the context that action at a distance really is spooky.

Ah well who’s to say what’s spooky? I think mitochondria are a bit spooky.

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

It’s a reference to an Einstein quote.

I know that, but it is frequently used in the context that action at a distance really is spooky.

Ah well who’s to say what’s spooky? I think mitochondria are a bit spooky.

I think Barbara Streisand is spooky

Cymek said:

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I know that, but it is frequently used in the context that action at a distance really is spooky.

Ah well who’s to say what’s spooky? I think mitochondria are a bit spooky.

I think Barbara Streisand is spooky

Nice ref

dv said:

Cymek said:

dv said:

Ah well who’s to say what’s spooky? I think mitochondria are a bit spooky.

I think Barbara Streisand is spooky

Nice ref

Thanks

Less snarkily:

TN, can you suggest any kind of experiment that could answer your question? Even with unforeseen levels of technology?

If not then we’re kind of dealing with fantastic matters and you can make up your own answer.

dv said:

Less snarkily:

TN, can you suggest any kind of experiment that could answer your question? Even with unforeseen levels of technology?

If not then we’re kind of dealing with fantastic matters and you can make up your own answer.

Could it be tested at extreme distance (for humanity anyway) one part on Earth and the other on a space probe a decent distance away

Cymek said:

dv said:

Less snarkily:

TN, can you suggest any kind of experiment that could answer your question? Even with unforeseen levels of technology?

If not then we’re kind of dealing with fantastic matters and you can make up your own answer.

Could it be tested at extreme distance (for humanity anyway) one part on Earth and the other on a space probe a decent distance away

How would that resolve whether it applies in “another universe”?

dv said:

Less snarkily:

TN, can you suggest any kind of experiment that could answer your question? Even with unforeseen levels of technology?

If not then we’re kind of dealing with fantastic matters and you can make up your own answer.

The answer lies in space.

dv said:

Cymek said:

dv said:

Less snarkily:

TN, can you suggest any kind of experiment that could answer your question? Even with unforeseen levels of technology?

If not then we’re kind of dealing with fantastic matters and you can make up your own answer.

Could it be tested at extreme distance (for humanity anyway) one part on Earth and the other on a space probe a decent distance away

How would that resolve whether it applies in “another universe”?

It wouldn’t but is it distance limited

dv said:

Cymek said:

dv said:

Less snarkily:

TN, can you suggest any kind of experiment that could answer your question? Even with unforeseen levels of technology?

If not then we’re kind of dealing with fantastic matters and you can make up your own answer.

Could it be tested at extreme distance (for humanity anyway) one part on Earth and the other on a space probe a decent distance away

How would that resolve whether it applies in “another universe”?

You’d assume if the other universe is very similar to ours (physics wise) it would/should

Cymek said:

dv said:

Less snarkily:

TN, can you suggest any kind of experiment that could answer your question? Even with unforeseen levels of technology?

If not then we’re kind of dealing with fantastic matters and you can make up your own answer.

Could it be tested at extreme distance (for humanity anyway) one part on Earth and the other on a space probe a decent distance away

FWIW the record for successfully testing entangled particles was reset recently, at a distance of 20 km. Or maybe 20 miles, can’t remember sorry.
There’s also rumours that the Chinese are testing entangled articles with the far end being in a satellite.

And it would imply that our universe must somehow be connected to another universe . That’s a pretty significant event, not one that I can recall reading about.

Spiny Norman said:

And it would imply that our universe must somehow be connected to another universe . That’s a pretty significant event, not one that I can recall reading about.

I would consider anything that we’re connected to to be part of this universe.

dv said:

Spiny Norman said:

And it would imply that our universe must somehow be connected to another universe . That’s a pretty significant event, not one that I can recall reading about.

I would consider anything that we’re connected to to be part of this universe.

That is indeed a tricky one to argue otherwise.

Spiny Norman said:

dv said:

Spiny Norman said:

And it would imply that our universe must somehow be connected to another universe . That’s a pretty significant event, not one that I can recall reading about.

I would consider anything that we’re connected to to be part of this universe.

That is indeed a tricky one to argue otherwise.

It would be interesting to see the mathematics.

Considering the basic premise of the multiple universes is that they have different physics and constants to the one we are living in, it would be a pretty safe bet that if other universes did in fact exist, there is no guarantee it would contain any of what we consider familiar.

Dark Orange said:

Considering the basic premise of the multiple universes is that they have different physics and constants to the one we are living in, it would be a pretty safe bet that if other universes did in fact exist, there is no guarantee it would contain any of what we consider familiar.

I’d call that a possibility, rather than a basic premise.

Also there are may ways in which physics might be different, at least some of which would have different constants, but the same underlying physical mechanisms.

dv said:

Less snarkily:

TN, can you suggest any kind of experiment that could answer your question? Even with unforeseen levels of technology?

If not then we’re kind of dealing with fantastic matters and you can make up your own answer.

like kombi headlights at the SoL.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Dark Orange said:

Considering the basic premise of the multiple universes is that they have different physics and constants to the one we are living in, it would be a pretty safe bet that if other universes did in fact exist, there is no guarantee it would contain any of what we consider familiar.

I’d call that a possibility, rather than a basic premise.

Also there are may ways in which physics might be different, at least some of which would have different constants, but the same underlying physical mechanisms.

In this universe physics changes with time.

dv said:

Less snarkily:

TN, can you suggest any kind of experiment that could answer your question? Even with unforeseen levels of technology?

If not then we’re kind of dealing with fantastic matters and you can make up your own answer.

The answer lies in space…

I would be looking for signs of bumps from other universes onto ours.

That would require telescopes more sensitive than anything we have at present.

We need to observe the wall of our own universe as it is expanding.

Maybe the CMB has that answer, maybe it doesn’t.

Tau.Neutrino said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Dark Orange said:

Considering the basic premise of the multiple universes is that they have different physics and constants to the one we are living in, it would be a pretty safe bet that if other universes did in fact exist, there is no guarantee it would contain any of what we consider familiar.

I’d call that a possibility, rather than a basic premise.

Also there are may ways in which physics might be different, at least some of which would have different constants, but the same underlying physical mechanisms.

In this universe physics changes with time.

The present in time as in now is different to the first millionths of a second during the big bang.

Tau.Neutrino said:

dv said:

Less snarkily:

TN, can you suggest any kind of experiment that could answer your question? Even with unforeseen levels of technology?

If not then we’re kind of dealing with fantastic matters and you can make up your own answer.

The answer lies in space…

I would be looking for signs of bumps from other universes onto ours.

That would require telescopes more sensitive than anything we have at present.

We need to observe the wall of our own universe as it is expanding.

Maybe the CMB has that answer, maybe it doesn’t.

The wall of our universe might not be a wall in the usual context, it might be fuzzy or abstract to our own imagination of what a wall can be.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

dv said:

Less snarkily:

TN, can you suggest any kind of experiment that could answer your question? Even with unforeseen levels of technology?

If not then we’re kind of dealing with fantastic matters and you can make up your own answer.

The answer lies in space…

I would be looking for signs of bumps from other universes onto ours.

That would require telescopes more sensitive than anything we have at present.

We need to observe the wall of our own universe as it is expanding.

Maybe the CMB has that answer, maybe it doesn’t.

The wall of our universe might not be a wall in the usual context, it might be fuzzy or abstract to our own imagination of what a wall can be.

The transition from a planet into space is different,

to the transition from being in a black hole to travelling outside of the black hole.

which would be different again to being in this universe and transitioning out of it to something else.

if there is something else.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

The answer lies in space…

I would be looking for signs of bumps from other universes onto ours.

That would require telescopes more sensitive than anything we have at present.

We need to observe the wall of our own universe as it is expanding.

Maybe the CMB has that answer, maybe it doesn’t.

The wall of our universe might not be a wall in the usual context, it might be fuzzy or abstract to our own imagination of what a wall can be.

The transition from a planet into space is different,

to the transition from being in a black hole to travelling outside of the black hole.

which would be different again to being in this universe and transitioning out of it to something else.

if there is something else.

If this universe has poles, that might be a way out.

:)

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

The wall of our universe might not be a wall in the usual context, it might be fuzzy or abstract to our own imagination of what a wall can be.

The transition from a planet into space is different,

to the transition from being in a black hole to travelling outside of the black hole.

which would be different again to being in this universe and transitioning out of it to something else.

if there is something else.

If this universe has poles, that might be a way out.

:)

Do atomic particles have poles?
Planets have poles.
Stars have poles.
Black holes have poles.
Galaxies?
Universe might have poles.

All matter isolated to date, including every atom on the periodic table and every particle in the Standard Model, has zero magnetic monopole charge.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_monopole

If the universe has two poles, it could also have two jets.

Like a black hole has jets but on a much larger scale, and the jets may be very different.

Note that stars can expand and contract.

Cosmologists talk about the universe expanding and contracting

On atomic scales do particles expand and contract?

Cymek said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

I wonder if spooky action at a distance works in other universes?

Or between them

Yes. Or between them. The ER = EPR theory of everything says that wormholes are closely related to spooky action at a distance.

And it has been said many times that wormholes can connect different universes.

So if ER = EPR is correct, then the simple answer to the original question is “yes”.

mollwollfumble said:

Cymek said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

I wonder if spooky action at a distance works in other universes?

Or between them

Yes. Or between them. The ER = EPR theory of everything says that wormholes are closely related to spooky action at a distance.

And it has been said many times that wormholes can connect different universes.

So if ER = EPR is correct, then the simple answer to the original question is “yes”.

Thanks mollwollfumble.

> Do atomic particles have poles?

Yes. All atomic particles that I’m aware of have north and south poles.

> Planets have poles. Stars have poles. Black holes have poles. Galaxies?

Yes.

> Universe might have poles.

The WMAP spacecraft went looking for poles of the universe, and didn’t find any. It looked for poles of all sorts of types, not just dipoles and monopoles but also quadrupoles, and octopoles, and far more complicated structures. In order to have a dipole, the universe would have to spin, and to the limits of experiment the universe doesn’t spin.

(The full answer is a bit more complicated than that, but that’s the gist of it.)

> All matter isolated to date, including every atom on the periodic table and every particle in the Standard Model, has zero magnetic monopole charge. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_monopole

Yes.

perhaps the spooky action is evidence of other universes

don’t confuse me with someone that knows what they’re talking about, but allow me a fleeting moment of appearing interesting

transition said:

perhaps the spooky action is evidence of other universes

don’t confuse me with someone that knows what they’re talking about, but allow me a fleeting moment of appearing interesting

you might want search entanglement and other worlds, that sort of thing, on the tube or whatever

transition said:

perhaps the spooky action is evidence of other universes

don’t confuse me with someone that knows what they’re talking about, but allow me a fleeting moment of appearing interesting

Well at least that raised a smile :)