Date: 14/08/2022 15:27:15
From: dv
ID: 1920854
Subject: Ts and Og

I mustn’t have seen an updated periodic table for a while because I was surprised and a bit pleased to see that, on my boy’s new table, all elements have permanent names.

In 2016, 117 and 118 were given the names tennessine (Ts) and oganesson (Og).

Tennessine was named after Tennessee, as much of the relevant synthesis work was done in Vanderbilt University in Nashville, Tennessee. First description dates from 2009, so tennessine is the last discovered element. The -ine ending reflects the fact that it is a halogen (like chlorine, fluorine etc).

Oganesson was named after Yuri Oganessian, who played a role in its discovery. He’s still with us, and having an element named after you while you’re still alive is a rare honour indeed. Probably first synthesised in 2002. The -on ending signifies its membership of the nobel gases group (like neon, argon etc), though note that it would probably be a solid at room temperature, if you could somehow get enough of it together.

This makes for a nice neat periodic table, all 7 periods filled with known and named elements and it won’t be messed up until someone synthesises something from period 8. There’s been a spell of 13 years now with no new elements so perhaps that’s not so easy.

Both of these are quite short lived, but neither is as shortlived as might be predicted were it not for a phenomenon called closed nuclear shells. This fact has lent greater weight to the hypothesis that there exists an island of stability with around 184 neutrons.

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Date: 15/08/2022 08:11:31
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1921093
Subject: re: Ts and Og

dv said:


I mustn’t have seen an updated periodic table for a while because I was surprised and a bit pleased to see that, on my boy’s new table, all elements have permanent names.

In 2016, 117 and 118 were given the names tennessine (Ts) and oganesson (Og).

Tennessine was named after Tennessee, as much of the relevant synthesis work was done in Vanderbilt University in Nashville, Tennessee. First description dates from 2009, so tennessine is the last discovered element. The -ine ending reflects the fact that it is a halogen (like chlorine, fluorine etc).

Oganesson was named after Yuri Oganessian, who played a role in its discovery. He’s still with us, and having an element named after you while you’re still alive is a rare honour indeed. Probably first synthesised in 2002. The -on ending signifies its membership of the nobel gases group (like neon, argon etc), though note that it would probably be a solid at room temperature, if you could somehow get enough of it together.

This makes for a nice neat periodic table, all 7 periods filled with known and named elements and it won’t be messed up until someone synthesises something from period 8. There’s been a spell of 13 years now with no new elements so perhaps that’s not so easy.

Both of these are quite short lived, but neither is as shortlived as might be predicted were it not for a phenomenon called closed nuclear shells. This fact has lent greater weight to the hypothesis that there exists an island of stability with around 184 neutrons.

I’m surprised and a bit pleased to see that your boy actually gets an up to date table (or did he go looking for it himself, rather than being given it at school?)

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Date: 15/08/2022 08:22:50
From: roughbarked
ID: 1921095
Subject: re: Ts and Og

The Rev Dodgson said:


dv said:

I mustn’t have seen an updated periodic table for a while because I was surprised and a bit pleased to see that, on my boy’s new table, all elements have permanent names.

In 2016, 117 and 118 were given the names tennessine (Ts) and oganesson (Og).

Tennessine was named after Tennessee, as much of the relevant synthesis work was done in Vanderbilt University in Nashville, Tennessee. First description dates from 2009, so tennessine is the last discovered element. The -ine ending reflects the fact that it is a halogen (like chlorine, fluorine etc).

Oganesson was named after Yuri Oganessian, who played a role in its discovery. He’s still with us, and having an element named after you while you’re still alive is a rare honour indeed. Probably first synthesised in 2002. The -on ending signifies its membership of the nobel gases group (like neon, argon etc), though note that it would probably be a solid at room temperature, if you could somehow get enough of it together.

This makes for a nice neat periodic table, all 7 periods filled with known and named elements and it won’t be messed up until someone synthesises something from period 8. There’s been a spell of 13 years now with no new elements so perhaps that’s not so easy.

Both of these are quite short lived, but neither is as shortlived as might be predicted were it not for a phenomenon called closed nuclear shells. This fact has lent greater weight to the hypothesis that there exists an island of stability with around 184 neutrons.

I’m surprised and a bit pleased to see that your boy actually gets an up to date table (or did he go looking for it himself, rather than being given it at school?)

https://iupac.org/what-we-do/periodic-table-of-elements/
Periodic Table of Elements – IUPAC | International Union of Pure …

View the latest release of the Periodic Table (dated 8 Jan 2016) includes the recently added elements 113, 115, 117, and 118 with their temporary names and …

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Date: 15/08/2022 10:04:59
From: dv
ID: 1921105
Subject: re: Ts and Og

The Rev Dodgson said:


dv said:

I mustn’t have seen an updated periodic table for a while because I was surprised and a bit pleased to see that, on my boy’s new table, all elements have permanent names.

In 2016, 117 and 118 were given the names tennessine (Ts) and oganesson (Og).

Tennessine was named after Tennessee, as much of the relevant synthesis work was done in Vanderbilt University in Nashville, Tennessee. First description dates from 2009, so tennessine is the last discovered element. The -ine ending reflects the fact that it is a halogen (like chlorine, fluorine etc).

Oganesson was named after Yuri Oganessian, who played a role in its discovery. He’s still with us, and having an element named after you while you’re still alive is a rare honour indeed. Probably first synthesised in 2002. The -on ending signifies its membership of the nobel gases group (like neon, argon etc), though note that it would probably be a solid at room temperature, if you could somehow get enough of it together.

This makes for a nice neat periodic table, all 7 periods filled with known and named elements and it won’t be messed up until someone synthesises something from period 8. There’s been a spell of 13 years now with no new elements so perhaps that’s not so easy.

Both of these are quite short lived, but neither is as shortlived as might be predicted were it not for a phenomenon called closed nuclear shells. This fact has lent greater weight to the hypothesis that there exists an island of stability with around 184 neutrons.

I’m surprised and a bit pleased to see that your boy actually gets an up to date table (or did he go looking for it himself, rather than being given it at school?)

The school gave it to him.

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Date: 15/08/2022 10:24:37
From: dv
ID: 1921113
Subject: re: Ts and Og

Also, I learned a new word. Isotone.

Two nuclides are isotones if they have the same neutron number N, but different proton number Z. For example, boron-12 and carbon-13 nuclei both contain 7 neutrons, and so are isotones. Similarly, 36S, 37Cl, 38Ar, 39K, and 40Ca nuclei are all isotones of 20 because they all contain 20 neutrons. Despite its similarity to the Greek for “same stretching”, the term was formed by the German physicist K. Guggenheimer by changing the “p” in “isotope” from “p” for “proton” to “n” for “neutron”.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isotone

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Date: 15/08/2022 10:41:22
From: roughbarked
ID: 1921114
Subject: re: Ts and Og

dv said:


Also, I learned a new word. Isotone.

Two nuclides are isotones if they have the same neutron number N, but different proton number Z. For example, boron-12 and carbon-13 nuclei both contain 7 neutrons, and so are isotones. Similarly, 36S, 37Cl, 38Ar, 39K, and 40Ca nuclei are all isotones of 20 because they all contain 20 neutrons. Despite its similarity to the Greek for “same stretching”, the term was formed by the German physicist K. Guggenheimer by changing the “p” in “isotope” from “p” for “proton” to “n” for “neutron”.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isotone

ta.

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Date: 15/08/2022 14:12:16
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1921167
Subject: re: Ts and Og

dv said:


Also, I learned a new word. Isotone.

Two nuclides are isotones if they have the same neutron number N, but different proton number Z. For example, boron-12 and carbon-13 nuclei both contain 7 neutrons, and so are isotones. Similarly, 36S, 37Cl, 38Ar, 39K, and 40Ca nuclei are all isotones of 20 because they all contain 20 neutrons. Despite its similarity to the Greek for “same stretching”, the term was formed by the German physicist K. Guggenheimer by changing the “p” in “isotope” from “p” for “proton” to “n” for “neutron”.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isotone

Now that I didn’t know.

Elements 117 and 118 are still a long way short of the number of neutrons needed for maximum stability.
So far, there’s no way to get enough neutrons to get near that line of maximum stability.

The following chart is from wikipedia. But it’s already out of date. Yes there’s already an isotope of Lv with 178 neutrons, a Rg with 175 neutrons, a Nh with 177 neutrons, a Mt with 173 neutrons, a Bh with 171 neutrons, and others. All missing from wikipedia. According to https://www-nds.iaea.org/relnsd/vcharthtml/VChartHTML.html.

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Date: 15/08/2022 14:19:35
From: Cymek
ID: 1921172
Subject: re: Ts and Og

Is the Island Of Stability still believed possible

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Date: 15/08/2022 14:34:57
From: dv
ID: 1921176
Subject: re: Ts and Og

Cymek said:


Is the Island Of Stability still believed possible

Yes. As mentioned above, the unexpectedly high halflives of Ts and Og bolstered the hypothesis further.

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Date: 15/08/2022 14:59:15
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1921194
Subject: re: Ts and Og

dv said:


Cymek said:

Is the Island Of Stability still believed possible

Yes. As mentioned above, the unexpectedly high halflives of Ts and Og bolstered the hypothesis further.

How’s transparent aluminium going

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Date: 15/08/2022 15:01:16
From: dv
ID: 1921195
Subject: re: Ts and Og

Witty Rejoinder said:


dv said:

Cymek said:

Is the Island Of Stability still believed possible

Yes. As mentioned above, the unexpectedly high halflives of Ts and Og bolstered the hypothesis further.

How’s transparent aluminium going

what now?

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Date: 15/08/2022 15:02:02
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1921196
Subject: re: Ts and Og

Witty Rejoinder said:


dv said:

Cymek said:

Is the Island Of Stability still believed possible

Yes. As mentioned above, the unexpectedly high halflives of Ts and Og bolstered the hypothesis further.

How’s transparent aluminium going?

inserts question mark

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Date: 15/08/2022 15:02:24
From: Cymek
ID: 1921197
Subject: re: Ts and Og

Witty Rejoinder said:


dv said:

Cymek said:

Is the Island Of Stability still believed possible

Yes. As mentioned above, the unexpectedly high halflives of Ts and Og bolstered the hypothesis further.

How’s transparent aluminium going

Ask Scotty

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Date: 15/08/2022 15:02:35
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 1921198
Subject: re: Ts and Og

Witty Rejoinder said:


dv said:

Cymek said:

Is the Island Of Stability still believed possible

Yes. As mentioned above, the unexpectedly high halflives of Ts and Og bolstered the hypothesis further.

How’s transparent aluminium going

It already exists and it’s called ALON.

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Date: 15/08/2022 15:03:55
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 1921199
Subject: re: Ts and Og

Spiny Norman said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

dv said:

Yes. As mentioned above, the unexpectedly high halflives of Ts and Og bolstered the hypothesis further.

How’s transparent aluminium going

It already exists and it’s called ALON.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminium_oxynitride

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Date: 15/08/2022 15:06:10
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1921200
Subject: re: Ts and Og

dv said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

dv said:

Yes. As mentioned above, the unexpectedly high halflives of Ts and Og bolstered the hypothesis further.

How’s transparent aluminium going

what now?

Well looky who hasn’t seen ‘Star Trek IV’…

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Date: 15/08/2022 15:42:55
From: dv
ID: 1921216
Subject: re: Ts and Og

Witty Rejoinder said:


dv said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

How’s transparent aluminium going

what now?

Well looky who hasn’t seen ‘Star Trek IV’…

I mean I probably have … more than 30 years ago. It’s not exactly fresh.

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Date: 15/08/2022 15:55:02
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1921223
Subject: re: Ts and Og

Spiny Norman said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

How’s transparent aluminium going

It already exists and it’s called ALON.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminium_oxynitride

Nice. I like it. Better than transparent wood. Much more useful.

As for island of stability. The new neutron rich isotopes that haven’t yet made it into Wikipedia look interesting.

But I think most people have given up on the second island of stability.

Let me check a moment.
11 minutes half life for neutron-rich 286 Rg. That’s long.

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Date: 15/08/2022 15:59:07
From: Cymek
ID: 1921224
Subject: re: Ts and Og

mollwollfumble said:


Spiny Norman said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

How’s transparent aluminium going

It already exists and it’s called ALON.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminium_oxynitride

Nice. I like it. Better than transparent wood. Much more useful.

As for island of stability. The new neutron rich isotopes that haven’t yet made it into Wikipedia look interesting.

But I think most people have given up on the second island of stability.

Let me check a moment.
11 minutes half life for neutron-rich 286 Rg. That’s long.

Are they creatable or more just hypothetical, is it just our primitive technology letting us down.
You quite often see in science fiction in alien craft/technology some element not on the periodic table which in reality would have to be one of these substances

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