Date: 21/08/2022 00:31:49
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1923474
Subject: Distant voices 2

Russian army hit with biological warfare agent 31st July

Botulinum toxin type B found in body of soldiers ( severe poisoning)

( probably old stocks of biological warfare from the soviet union or perhaps cooked up by the scientists of the era ?)

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Date: 21/08/2022 01:41:06
From: transition
ID: 1923483
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

wookiemeister said:


Russian army hit with biological warfare agent 31st July

Botulinum toxin type B found in body of soldiers ( severe poisoning)

( probably old stocks of biological warfare from the soviet union or perhaps cooked up by the scientists of the era ?)

possibly from here, I won’t be taking it too seriously, given the context, the war of accusations along with the more typical explosive kinetics

https://www.jpost.com/international/article-715143

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Date: 21/08/2022 06:04:30
From: roughbarked
ID: 1923511
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

wookiemeister said:


Russian army hit with biological warfare agent 31st July

Botulinum toxin type B found in body of soldiers ( severe poisoning)

( probably old stocks of biological warfare from the soviet union or perhaps cooked up by the scientists of the era ?)

They are taking their own poisons rather than PooTins war?

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Date: 21/08/2022 08:24:12
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1923538
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

Both sides are blaming each other for the nuclear power plant bombing.

What’s that about?

Anyone got the inside story?

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Date: 21/08/2022 08:30:13
From: roughbarked
ID: 1923542
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

mollwollfumble said:


Both sides are blaming each other for the nuclear power plant bombing.

What’s that about?

Anyone got the inside story?

Well, the Ukranians claim that Russians are shooting at them from the nuclear plant and are not afraid to say that they will shoot back.

The Russians claim that the Ukranians are shelling the plant.

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Date: 21/08/2022 08:36:59
From: transition
ID: 1923545
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

mollwollfumble said:


Both sides are blaming each other for the nuclear power plant bombing.

What’s that about?

Anyone got the inside story?

deepens the mutual involvement, keeps it more interesting

seems to be working

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Date: 21/08/2022 21:14:03
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1923744
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

Dugin’s daughter gets killed in assassination attempt of during.

Expect reprisals

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Date: 21/08/2022 21:16:10
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1923745
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

wookiemeister said:


Dugin’s daughter gets killed in assassination attempt of dugin

Expect reprisals

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Date: 21/08/2022 21:21:53
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1923746
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

ah so they fucked up the false flag operation what genius

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Date: 21/08/2022 21:25:34
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1923747
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

SCIENCE said:


ah so they fucked up the false flag operation what genius

This is the bit where it gets vicious and nasty.

Now uko intelligence is going after personalities od expect something in kind – no more going on holiday ( like Boris at the moment)

It will be interesting to see if the Germans get their gas turned back on.

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Date: 22/08/2022 00:15:04
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1923770
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

Kherson falls

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Date: 22/08/2022 21:49:28
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1924118
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

30 nazis

100 soldiers

8 control points on 142 districts

8 HIMARS missiles ( in flight)

2 GRAD platoons ( counter battery strike)

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Date: 22/08/2022 21:55:15
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1924119
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

Serbia shaping up to be new conflict zone in Europe ( maybe they will assassinate the Serbian prime minister – that would do it)

HIMARS ammo dumps

Fuel dump

Nazi deployment area

2 x M777 Howitzer

100 soldiers

9 x UAVs

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Date: 22/08/2022 22:41:37
From: Kingy
ID: 1924127
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

wookiemeister said:


Serbia shaping up to be new conflict zone in Europe ( maybe they will assassinate the Serbian prime minister – that would do it)

HIMARS ammo dumps

Fuel dump

Nazi deployment area

2 x M777 Howitzer

100 soldiers

9 x UAVs

You keep posting damage as if it is the other (UKR)side, but it is fairly obvious that the damage is on the rushin side.

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Date: 23/08/2022 20:30:46
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1924406
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

FRANKFURT/BERLIN, Aug 19 (Reuters) – Russia will halt natural gas supplies to Europe for three days at the end of the month via its main pipeline into the region, state energy giant Gazprom (GAZP.MM) said on Friday, piling pressure on the region as it seeks to refuel ahead of winter.

The UNSCHEDULED maintenance on the Nord Stream 1 pipeline, which runs under the Baltic Sea to Germany, deepens an energy standoff between Moscow and Brussels which has already helped send inflation surging in the region and raised the risk of rationing and recession.

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Date: 23/08/2022 20:40:46
From: party_pants
ID: 1924407
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

wookiemeister said:


FRANKFURT/BERLIN, Aug 19 (Reuters) – Russia will halt natural gas supplies to Europe for three days at the end of the month via its main pipeline into the region, state energy giant Gazprom (GAZP.MM) said on Friday, piling pressure on the region as it seeks to refuel ahead of winter.

The UNSCHEDULED maintenance on the Nord Stream 1 pipeline, which runs under the Baltic Sea to Germany, deepens an energy standoff between Moscow and Brussels which has already helped send inflation surging in the region and raised the risk of rationing and recession.

Europe is switching to LNG faster than expected. Once the switch is complete they are free of Russian gas. Russia will have to close down the production for lack of markets. It is much more difficult to build gasification plants to convert gas to LNG than it is the other way to receive LNG and regasify it. Europe hoilds all the cards after this winter.

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Date: 23/08/2022 22:26:46
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1924419
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

party_pants said:


wookiemeister said:

FRANKFURT/BERLIN, Aug 19 (Reuters) – Russia will halt natural gas supplies to Europe for three days at the end of the month via its main pipeline into the region, state energy giant Gazprom (GAZP.MM) said on Friday, piling pressure on the region as it seeks to refuel ahead of winter.

The UNSCHEDULED maintenance on the Nord Stream 1 pipeline, which runs under the Baltic Sea to Germany, deepens an energy standoff between Moscow and Brussels which has already helped send inflation surging in the region and raised the risk of rationing and recession.

Europe is switching to LNG faster than expected. Once the switch is complete they are free of Russian gas. Russia will have to close down the production for lack of markets. It is much more difficult to build gasification plants to convert gas to LNG than it is the other way to receive LNG and regasify it. Europe hoilds all the cards after this winter.


An index of current conditions also dropped. “Germany is on the brink of a recession,” Ifo President Clemens Fuest said. “High energy prices and the threat of gas shortages are weighing on the economy. Companies are expecting significantly worse business activity in the coming months.”25 July 2022

German central bank chief Joachim Nagel warns inflation to hit 70-year high
Bundesbank president says surge in energy prices caused by Russia’s gas squeeze likely to drive inflation above 10%

German gas shortage risks ‘unforeseeable consequences’, says Commerzbank
Lender warns of ‘severe recession’ if Russia cuts off supplies

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Date: 27/08/2022 16:06:38
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1925610
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

9 weeks to winter.

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Date: 27/08/2022 16:07:52
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1925611
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

wookiemeister said:


9 weeks to winter.

Temp
24 /13

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Date: 27/08/2022 16:17:08
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1925617
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

wookiemeister said:


wookiemeister said:

9 weeks to winter.

Temp
24 /13

In the week ending 12 August 2022 (Week 32), 10,355 deaths were registered in England and Wales; 592 of these deaths mentioned “novel coronavirus (COVID-19)”, accounting for 5.7% of all deaths.
This is a decrease compared with the week ending 5 August 2022 (Week 31), when the number of all-cause deaths registered was 10,698; COVID-19 accounted for 723 of these deaths (6.8%), a higher proportion than the latest week.

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Date: 27/08/2022 16:17:34
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1925618
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

wookiemeister said:


wookiemeister said:

9 weeks to winter.

Temp
24 /13

And goodnight to Mr Wookiemeister where ever you are.

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Date: 27/08/2022 16:21:38
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1925620
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

I figure I’ll start tracking how many people start dying in britain. Britain is part of the axis to fight Russia in ukraine.

Suppose you could track France, Germany, Britain, Italy as these are the powers in britain.i suppose you might see 10 percent of the population dying of the cold. As they die you’d just hand the house over to new immigrants. ? Solves two problems 1: with the old dying you reduce the pension bill 2 : you can put new immigrants into the houses of the deceased and just use gov to heat the house. Win , win.

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Date: 27/08/2022 16:23:17
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1925622
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

wookiemeister said:


I figure I’ll start tracking how many people start dying in britain. Britain is part of the axis to fight Russia in ukraine.

Suppose you could track France, Germany, Britain, Italy as these are the powers in ukraine. i suppose you might see 10 percent of the population dying of the cold. As they die you’d just hand the house over to new immigrants. ? Solves two problems 1: with the old dying you reduce the pension bill 2 : you can put new immigrants into the houses of the deceased and just use gov to heat the house. Win , win.


Edit

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Date: 27/08/2022 17:27:30
From: Kingy
ID: 1925646
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

Russian forces have lost an area larger than Denmark since the high-water mark of their invasion of Ukraine in mid-March and gained an area the size of Andorra (one percent of what they have lost) in the last 39 days.

https://twitter.com/thestudyofwar/status/1562577716721106944

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Date: 27/08/2022 17:29:00
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 1925649
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

Kingy said:


Russian forces have lost an area larger than Denmark since the high-water mark of their invasion of Ukraine in mid-March and gained an area the size of Andorra (one percent of what they have lost) in the last 39 days.

https://twitter.com/thestudyofwar/status/1562577716721106944

rubs hans

Excellent!

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Date: 27/08/2022 17:29:36
From: roughbarked
ID: 1925650
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

Kingy said:


Russian forces have lost an area larger than Denmark since the high-water mark of their invasion of Ukraine in mid-March and gained an area the size of Andorra (one percent of what they have lost) in the last 39 days.

https://twitter.com/thestudyofwar/status/1562577716721106944

That’s why they are bumping up the numbers they are sending to their deaths.

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Date: 27/08/2022 17:31:35
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1925651
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

Kingy said:


Russian forces have lost an area larger than Denmark since the high-water mark of their invasion of Ukraine in mid-March and gained an area the size of Andorra (one percent of what they have lost) in the last 39 days.

https://twitter.com/thestudyofwar/status/1562577716721106944

What area is that in washing machines?

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Date: 27/08/2022 17:37:09
From: roughbarked
ID: 1925652
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

captain_spalding said:


Kingy said:

Russian forces have lost an area larger than Denmark since the high-water mark of their invasion of Ukraine in mid-March and gained an area the size of Andorra (one percent of what they have lost) in the last 39 days.

https://twitter.com/thestudyofwar/status/1562577716721106944

What area is that in washing machines?

I was thinking in bags of wheat per acre.

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Date: 27/08/2022 17:37:10
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1925653
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

roughbarked said:


Kingy said:

Russian forces have lost an area larger than Denmark since the high-water mark of their invasion of Ukraine in mid-March and gained an area the size of Andorra (one percent of what they have lost) in the last 39 days.

https://twitter.com/thestudyofwar/status/1562577716721106944

That’s why they are bumping up the numbers they are sending to their deaths.

Spring and autumn are the most difficult times for fighting in climates like that of the Ukraine.

There’s only three seasons there; summer, winter, and mud. And mud comes twice a year.

In spring, the snow and ice thaws, and it’s mud.

In autumn, it rains before winter, and its mud. And it’s getting autumnal there.

No-one makes much in the way of plans for manoeuvre or attack when it’s ‘mud season’. You either wait for summer to dry out the ground, or for winter to freeze it hard.

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Date: 27/08/2022 17:37:26
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 1925654
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

captain_spalding said:


Kingy said:

Russian forces have lost an area larger than Denmark since the high-water mark of their invasion of Ukraine in mid-March and gained an area the size of Andorra (one percent of what they have lost) in the last 39 days.

https://twitter.com/thestudyofwar/status/1562577716721106944

What area is that in washing machines?

top or front loader?

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Date: 27/08/2022 17:37:50
From: sibeen
ID: 1925655
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

Bogsnorkler said:


Kingy said:

Russian forces have lost an area larger than Denmark since the high-water mark of their invasion of Ukraine in mid-March and gained an area the size of Andorra (one percent of what they have lost) in the last 39 days.

https://twitter.com/thestudyofwar/status/1562577716721106944

rubs hans

Excellent!

Hans is getting mighty pissed off with all this inappropriate and uncalled for touching.

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Date: 27/08/2022 17:39:10
From: roughbarked
ID: 1925657
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

captain_spalding said:


roughbarked said:

Kingy said:

Russian forces have lost an area larger than Denmark since the high-water mark of their invasion of Ukraine in mid-March and gained an area the size of Andorra (one percent of what they have lost) in the last 39 days.

https://twitter.com/thestudyofwar/status/1562577716721106944

That’s why they are bumping up the numbers they are sending to their deaths.

Spring and autumn are the most difficult times for fighting in climates like that of the Ukraine.

There’s only three seasons there; summer, winter, and mud. And mud comes twice a year.

In spring, the snow and ice thaws, and it’s mud.

In autumn, it rains before winter, and its mud. And it’s getting autumnal there.

No-one makes much in the way of plans for manoeuvre or attack when it’s ‘mud season’. You either wait for summer to dry out the ground, or for winter to freeze it hard.

and both Napoleon and Hitler found out all about that.

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Date: 27/08/2022 17:39:40
From: roughbarked
ID: 1925658
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

sibeen said:


Bogsnorkler said:

Kingy said:

Russian forces have lost an area larger than Denmark since the high-water mark of their invasion of Ukraine in mid-March and gained an area the size of Andorra (one percent of what they have lost) in the last 39 days.

https://twitter.com/thestudyofwar/status/1562577716721106944

rubs hans

Excellent!

Hans is getting mighty pissed off with all this inappropriate and uncalled for touching.

mightily.

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Date: 27/08/2022 17:39:59
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1925659
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

Bogsnorkler said:


captain_spalding said:

Kingy said:

Russian forces have lost an area larger than Denmark since the high-water mark of their invasion of Ukraine in mid-March and gained an area the size of Andorra (one percent of what they have lost) in the last 39 days.

https://twitter.com/thestudyofwar/status/1562577716721106944

What area is that in washing machines?

top or front loader?

Twin-tubs?

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Date: 27/08/2022 18:01:51
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1925669
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

captain_spalding said:


Kingy said:

Russian forces have lost an area larger than Denmark since the high-water mark of their invasion of Ukraine in mid-March and gained an area the size of Andorra (one percent of what they have lost) in the last 39 days.

https://twitter.com/thestudyofwar/status/1562577716721106944

What area is that in washing machines?

What’s the area in Russian tanks captured by Ukrainian tractors?.

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Date: 27/08/2022 21:00:58
From: Kingy
ID: 1925718
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

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Date: 27/08/2022 21:06:18
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1925722
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

Kingy said:



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Date: 27/08/2022 22:18:28
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1925730
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

107th battalion of 63rd mechanised 40 percent casualties

100 soldiers , 3 GRAD , 10 vehicles

7 command posts

37 artillery units, 142 concentration of troops

6 ammo dumps

1 large dump with himars rockets and m777 shells

Mig 29

Buk M1 SAM system

7 UAV

1 tochka U missile

18 himars rockets

180 soldiers

10 combat units

200 soldiers

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Date: 28/08/2022 00:13:57
From: Bunny_Fugger
ID: 1925752
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

wookiemeister said:


107th battalion of 63rd mechanised 40 percent casualties

100 soldiers , 3 GRAD , 10 vehicles

7 command posts

37 artillery units, 142 concentration of troops

6 ammo dumps

1 large dump with himars rockets and m777 shells

Mig 29

Buk M1 SAM system

7 UAV

1 tochka U missile

18 himars rockets

180 soldiers

10 combat units

200 soldiers

Do you just make this shit up, or just post someone else’s crap?

At no point in your thread here have you provided any evidence at all.

Is this just a random number generator?

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Date: 28/08/2022 00:23:19
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1925755
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

Bunny_Fugger said:


wookiemeister said:

107th battalion of 63rd mechanised 40 percent casualties

100 soldiers , 3 GRAD , 10 vehicles

7 command posts

37 artillery units, 142 concentration of troops

6 ammo dumps

1 large dump with himars rockets and m777 shells

Mig 29

Buk M1 SAM system

7 UAV

1 tochka U missile

18 himars rockets

180 soldiers

10 combat units

200 soldiers

Do you just make this shit up, or just post someone else’s crap?

At no point in your thread here have you provided any evidence at all.

Is this just a random number generator?

He’s embarrassed to admit he takes Russian propaganda as gospel.

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Date: 28/08/2022 11:03:55
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1925866
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

3 su27

2 su24

3 aircraft

Military train 200 soldiers

Repair shops

2 grad platoons

3 d30 platoons

5 UAV

19 HIMARS in flight

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Date: 28/08/2022 11:05:00
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1925867
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

Ukrainian forces continue shelling nuclear plant ( m777 destroyed counter artillery barrage being used to shell nuclear plant)

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Date: 28/08/2022 11:13:33
From: party_pants
ID: 1925869
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

Russia are still losing, tacticaly and strategically.

Europe gas supply reserves are now running at 75% capacity, nearly reaching the target of 80% that most experts think they need to hold for the upcoming winter. A sharp increase from the less than 50% reserves at the start of May. Europe are bringing on floating LNG regasification plants much faster than anticipated. In a couple of months they will be free of reliance upon Russian gas. If Russia turns off the gas to Europe now, it will never get switched back on. There’s goes Russia’s main economic backbone industry, and what they thought was their key bargaining chip over Europe. Gone.

Sure, it is costing the EU money and driving inflation through higher prices, but once the switch is complete it is done. The world will settle back into a new normal without Russia.

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Date: 28/08/2022 11:15:25
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1925871
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

party_pants said:

Sure, it is costing the EU money and driving inflation through higher prices, but once the switch is complete it is done. The world will settle back into a new normal without Russia.

Well, until the latter decades of the 20th century, that was pretty much the ‘old normal’.

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Date: 28/08/2022 11:17:20
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1925872
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

party_pants said:


Russia are still losing, tacticaly and strategically.

Europe gas supply reserves are now running at 75% capacity, nearly reaching the target of 80% that most experts think they need to hold for the upcoming winter. A sharp increase from the less than 50% reserves at the start of May. Europe are bringing on floating LNG regasification plants much faster than anticipated. In a couple of months they will be free of reliance upon Russian gas. If Russia turns off the gas to Europe now, it will never get switched back on. There’s goes Russia’s main economic backbone industry, and what they thought was their key bargaining chip over Europe. Gone.

Sure, it is costing the EU money and driving inflation through higher prices, but once the switch is complete it is done. The world will settle back into a new normal without Russia.

>>>Russia are still losing, tacticaly and strategically.

Take that Putin.

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Date: 28/08/2022 12:27:28
From: Kingy
ID: 1925882
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

wookiemeister said:


3 su27

2 su24

3 aircraft

Military train 200 soldiers

Repair shops

2 grad platoons

3 d30 platoons

5 UAV

19 HIMARS in flight

Do you just make this up with a random number generator, or what?

At no point have you provided any evidence or sources, you are just making yourself look like putins court jester.

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Date: 28/08/2022 12:40:31
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1925884
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

Kingy said:


wookiemeister said:

3 su27

2 su24

3 aircraft

Military train 200 soldiers

Repair shops

2 grad platoons

3 d30 platoons

5 UAV

19 HIMARS in flight

Do you just make this up with a random number generator, or what?

At no point have you provided any evidence or sources, you are just making yourself look like putins court jester.

What would war be without useful idiots?

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Date: 28/08/2022 13:05:57
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1925887
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

Kingy said:


wookiemeister said:

3 su27

2 su24

3 aircraft

Military train 200 soldiers

Repair shops

2 grad platoons

3 d30 platoons

5 UAV

19 HIMARS in flight

Do you just make this up with a random number generator, or what?

At no point have you provided any evidence or sources, you are just making yourself look like putins court jester.

“look like”

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Date: 28/08/2022 13:38:16
From: Michael V
ID: 1925892
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

Russian media: Car of Russian official set on fire in Moscow.

According to Russian state media, a woman opposing Russia’s invasion of Ukraine used gasoline to set alight the car of Yevgeny Secretaryov, an official responsible for the censorship of Russian media pertaining to information about the military and its operations. Reportedly, the woman was detained by Russian security forces.

https://kyivindependent.com/news-archive

Sunday, August 28, 3:30 am. Report from Pravda, which I can’t read.

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Date: 28/08/2022 13:42:32
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 1925893
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

Michael V said:

Report from Pravda, which I can’t read.

Install this app on your phone, it’ll translate it for you. And very occasionally do a good job of it.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.apps.translate&gl=US

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Date: 28/08/2022 13:45:56
From: Michael V
ID: 1925894
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

Spiny Norman said:


Michael V said:
Report from Pravda, which I can’t read.

Install this app on your phone, it’ll translate it for you. And very occasionally do a good job of it.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.apps.translate&gl=US

My phone doesn’t use the internet. I won’t let it.

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Date: 28/08/2022 13:48:15
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 1925895
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

Michael V said:


Spiny Norman said:

Michael V said:
Report from Pravda, which I can’t read.

Install this app on your phone, it’ll translate it for you. And very occasionally do a good job of it.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.apps.translate&gl=US

My phone doesn’t use the internet. I won’t let it.

You are far smarter than many.

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Date: 28/08/2022 14:01:06
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1925896
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

Just read this about the death of Alan Turing:

“The idea that he committed suicide is almost certainly false. The coroner just assumed he killed himself because he was sure all gay men were feeble hysterics, but in fact Turing seems to have found the whole affair of the court-case rather funny. He was much too autistic to be upset by perceived public humiliation, and didn’t give a damn what people thought of him. The medical evidence suggests that he died because he accidentally inhaled fumes during an experiment a few hours before his death – he was known to have a very cavalier attitude to lab safety.”

Anyone heard that before? As far as I remember everything I have read just says he committed suicide.

Suppose I could see what TATE has to say.

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Date: 28/08/2022 14:03:51
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1925897
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

Sorry about that.

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Date: 28/08/2022 19:22:56
From: Kingy
ID: 1925943
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

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Date: 28/08/2022 19:34:13
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1925946
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

Kingy said:



well, yes, but the ‘Kyiv Independent’…

when they publish Ukrainian losses alongside their figures for the Russians, their credibility will be much enhanced.

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Date: 28/08/2022 19:55:00
From: Kingy
ID: 1925956
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

captain_spalding said:


Kingy said:


well, yes, but the ‘Kyiv Independent’…

when they publish Ukrainian losses alongside their figures for the Russians, their credibility will be much enhanced.

I’ve been trying to find good sources, but I couldn’t find an independent source from Ukraines losses. In the past they have been reasonably accurate(within margin for moral war minimisation).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine#Casualties_and_humanitarian_impact

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Date: 29/08/2022 21:58:44
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1926283
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

Aug 29, 2022

💥High-precision weapons strikes of the Russian Aerospace Forces have destroyed the temporary deployment point of 95th Airborne Assault Brigade of AFU in Slavyansk, Donetsk People’s Republic. The attacks have resulted in the elimination of up to 150 nationalists, as well as 10 units of weapons and military equipment.

▫️Allied Forces offensive in Donetsk direction have resulted in losses of 204th Battalion of 241st Territorial Defence Brigade near Artemovsk exceeding 60 per cent of its personnel. The command of Liman task force has withdrawn brigade units from the combat area to Kiev to be re-staffed.

💥High-precision strike near Slavyansk in Donetsk People’s Republic has eliminated more than 100 nationalists trained at AFU reserve training centre.

💥Operational-tactical and army aviation, missile troops and artillery strikes continue against Ukrainian defence industry facilities where weapons are manufactured and repaired.

💥High-precision weapons of the Russian Aerospace Forces have hit production halls where Ukrainian air force helicopters were being repaired at Motor Sich plant in Zaporozhye city.

▫️In addition, 3 AFU command posts, including those of 54th AFU Mechanized Brigade near Kurakhovo, Donetsk People’s Republic, as well as 42 artillery units at firing positions, and 139 areas of AFU manpower and military equipment concentration have been hit.

▫️1 oil storage depot near Nikopol’, Dniepropetrovsk Region, which was used to supply fuel to AFU units in Donbass, has been destroyed.

▫️8 missile and artillery weapons and ammunition depots near Seversk, Kramatorsk, Ulakly in Donetsk People’s Republic, Travnevoye in Kharkov Region, Kavkaz in Nikolaev Region and Marganets in Dniepropetrovsk Region have also been destroyed.

💥Russian air defence means have shot down 6 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles near Staromaiorskoye, Dokuchayevsk, Komsomolskyi, Maksimovka in Donetsk People’s Republic, Semenovka in Kharkov Region and Belaya Krynytsa in Kherson Region.

▫️28 projectiles of multiple-launch rocket systems Olha and HIMARS have been intercepted near Ol’ginka, Novotroitskoye in Donetsk People’s Republic, Chernobaevka in Kherson Region, Antonovskyi and Dariyevskyi bridges, and over Kakhovskaya HPP.

▫️In addition, 1 Tochka-U ballistic missile has been shot down in the air near Novaya Kakhovka, Kherson Region.

📊In total, 274 Ukrainian airplanes and 148 helicopters, 1,826 unmanned aerial vehicles, 370 anti-aircraft missile systems, 4,400 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 822 multiple launch rocket systems, 3,349 field artillery and mortars, as well as 5,095 units of special military vehicles were destroyed during the operation.

❗️Kiev regime continues provocations to threaten a man-made nuclear disaster at Zaporozhye NPP.

▫️Over the past 24 hours, 2 AFU artillery attacks on the territory of the nuclear power plant have been recorded.

▫️A total of 9 shells have been fired, 3 of which landed near Special Building No 2, where TVEL’s fresh nuclear fuel and solid radioactive waste are stored. As a result of the shells hitting the nuclear power plant area, pipeline line was hit by shrapnel.

▫️As a result of the second shelling, one shell landed near Unit 6 and five other shells fell in front of Unit 6 pumping station, which provides cooling for this reactor.

▫️Ukrainian artillery shelling of the nuclear power plant was carried out from Marganets area in Dniepropetrovsk Region.

▫️In counter-battery warfare, AFU units shelling NPP have been suppressed by return fire.

▫️Currently, a full-time technical staff monitors the technical condition of the nuclear plant and ensures its operation.

▫️The radiation situation in the nuclear power plant area remains normal.M

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Date: 29/08/2022 22:01:39
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1926284
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

9 weeks to winter

weather london 23/14

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Date: 29/08/2022 22:06:00
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1926289
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

https://youtu.be/4sDWtUDxrLI

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Date: 29/08/2022 22:55:41
From: Kingy
ID: 1926314
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

wookiemeister said:


https://youtu.be/4sDWtUDxrLI

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echo_chamber_(media)

So your source is a few youtube videos, what a surprise.

Evidence please?

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Date: 29/08/2022 23:08:54
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1926318
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

Kingy said:


wookiemeister said:

https://youtu.be/4sDWtUDxrLI

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echo_chamber_(media)

So your source is a few youtube videos, what a surprise.

Evidence please?

Ah, The Duran, Alexander Mercouris, of course!

From https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-duran/

‘Overall, we rate The Duran as a Questionable source based on far-right-wing bias, promotion of Russian propaganda, right-wing conspiracies, a lack of transparency, use of poor sources, plagiarism, and failed fact checks.’

‘Factual reporting rating: Low` (i.e. second worst rating)’

Alexander Mercouris is a former London barrister who was struck off in 2012 for forging a letter from Baroness Hale, Justice of the Supreme Court.

He also claimed that bogus police officers kidnapped him and took him to a meeting with Lord Phillips.

Mercouris claimed the former Lord Chief Justice of England and Wales pleaded with him to drop a case in exchange for a £50,000 bribe, plus his debts and mortgage paid off.

He also alleged that Lord Phillips threatened to have his 102-year-old grandmother put into a care home.

Knowledgeable? Possibly, but doubtfully.

Reliable? Hardly.

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Date: 29/08/2022 23:31:19
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1926320
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

captain_spalding said:


Kingy said:

wookiemeister said:

https://youtu.be/4sDWtUDxrLI

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echo_chamber_(media)

So your source is a few youtube videos, what a surprise.

Evidence please?

Ah, The Duran, Alexander Mercouris, of course!

From https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-duran/

‘Overall, we rate The Duran as a Questionable source based on far-right-wing bias, promotion of Russian propaganda, right-wing conspiracies, a lack of transparency, use of poor sources, plagiarism, and failed fact checks.’

‘Factual reporting rating: Low` (i.e. second worst rating)’

Alexander Mercouris is a former London barrister who was struck off in 2012 for forging a letter from Baroness Hale, Justice of the Supreme Court.

He also claimed that bogus police officers kidnapped him and took him to a meeting with Lord Phillips.

Mercouris claimed the former Lord Chief Justice of England and Wales pleaded with him to drop a case in exchange for a £50,000 bribe, plus his debts and mortgage paid off.

He also alleged that Lord Phillips threatened to have his 102-year-old grandmother put into a care home.

Knowledgeable? Possibly, but doubtfully.

Reliable? Hardly.


Yes I was surprised about his background but I listen to his reasoning

Everyone has a past

Churchill : dysfunctional childhood, father dies of a sexual disease, creator of the Gallipoli disaster.

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Date: 29/08/2022 23:33:34
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1926321
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

I seriously doubt if anyone on this forum / media / government could talk fir an HOUR or more on the current state of the war.

Russians are losing yet strangely keep losing by taking MORE and MORE land, city after city.

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Date: 29/08/2022 23:41:51
From: Kingy
ID: 1926322
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

Kingy said:


Russian forces have lost an area larger than Denmark since the high-water mark of their invasion of Ukraine in mid-March and gained an area the size of Andorra (one percent of what they have lost) in the last 39 days.

https://twitter.com/thestudyofwar/status/1562577716721106944

I’m fairly sure that’s a 99% loss since the initial invasion of an independent country, but yeah, keep on making yourself look foolish. I’m sure that putins check is in the mail.

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Date: 29/08/2022 23:48:02
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1926323
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

Kingy said:


Kingy said:

Russian forces have lost an area larger than Denmark since the high-water mark of their invasion of Ukraine in mid-March and gained an area the size of Andorra (one percent of what they have lost) in the last 39 days.

https://twitter.com/thestudyofwar/status/1562577716721106944

I’m fairly sure that’s a 99% loss since the initial invasion of an independent country, but yeah, keep on making yourself look foolish. I’m sure that putins check is in the mail.


Nothing is going to convince you

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Date: 29/08/2022 23:51:22
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1926324
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

Anyway it won’t matter soon – the russians are slowly dialling down gas and oil supply, noble gases and all kinds of resources directly to the west. No matter what the destruction going on in Europe you can just make up your own reality.

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Date: 29/08/2022 23:52:17
From: Kingy
ID: 1926325
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

wookiemeister said:


Kingy said:

Kingy said:

Russian forces have lost an area larger than Denmark since the high-water mark of their invasion of Ukraine in mid-March and gained an area the size of Andorra (one percent of what they have lost) in the last 39 days.

https://twitter.com/thestudyofwar/status/1562577716721106944

I’m fairly sure that’s a 99% loss since the initial invasion of an independent country, but yeah, keep on making yourself look foolish. I’m sure that putins check is in the mail.


Nothing is going to convince you

Of what? What is it that you are trying to tell us?

You haven’t provided any evidence of anything that you are claiming, despite many requests.

Do you actually understand what science is?

It is finding facts and trying to disprove ourselves so that no-one else does and make us look silly.

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Date: 29/08/2022 23:57:15
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1926326
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

Kingy said:


wookiemeister said:

Kingy said:

I’m fairly sure that’s a 99% loss since the initial invasion of an independent country, but yeah, keep on making yourself look foolish. I’m sure that putins check is in the mail.


Nothing is going to convince you

Of what? What is it that you are trying to tell us?

You haven’t provided any evidence of anything that you are claiming, despite many requests.

Do you actually understand what science is?

It is finding facts and trying to disprove ourselves so that no-one else does and make us look silly.


Its ok as I said – no one is going to convince you. As you get older you realise that we live in a post facts world ( well in the west anyway).

If you wanted to know what was going on you’d have started at looking at various sources and EVALUATED them.

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Date: 29/08/2022 23:59:46
From: Kingy
ID: 1926327
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

wookiemeister said:


Anyway it won’t matter soon – the russians are slowly dialling down gas and oil supply, noble gases and all kinds of resources directly to the west. No matter what the destruction going on in Europe you can just make up your own reality.

Correct, it won’t matter soon. Most countries have found other sources of gas, fuel and information. It won’t be long before putins tinfoil castle crashes and burns. The rest of the planet will be very grateful.

“You can make up your own reality”, but it seems that you and putin already have.

I’m going to make a claim. Are you relying on “Fox News” to provide you with information?

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Date: 30/08/2022 00:06:01
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1926331
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

The thing that most people don’t know is that the west has been pumping weapons and money into ukraines since 2014. The russians have been clearing entrenched and fortified positions that have been constructed over years. The average Australian doesn’t know or care what’s happening there – us supporting ukraine is going to bite us in the arse. The liberals being kicked out last election will probably stop us getting embroiled with Taiwan. I laughed when I saw AUKUS – it’s virtually impossible to get ANYTHING done here unless it’s paperwork and ladies sat infront of computers doing admin – good luck getting those subs being done anytime soon.

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Date: 30/08/2022 00:07:29
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1926334
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

Kingy said:


wookiemeister said:

Anyway it won’t matter soon – the russians are slowly dialling down gas and oil supply, noble gases and all kinds of resources directly to the west. No matter what the destruction going on in Europe you can just make up your own reality.

Correct, it won’t matter soon. Most countries have found other sources of gas, fuel and information. It won’t be long before putins tinfoil castle crashes and burns. The rest of the planet will be very grateful.

“You can make up your own reality”, but it seems that you and putin already have.

I’m going to make a claim. Are you relying on “Fox News” to provide you with information?


To be honest I rarely watch it maybe once a month if I see it at all (?) Maybe less (?)

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Date: 30/08/2022 00:11:16
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1926338
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

Germany is now telling its citizens to consider using damp rags to clean themselves rather than proper showers. Inflation is through the roof, the Euro is falling

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Date: 30/08/2022 00:15:26
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1926342
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

I’m more likely to watch this: https://youtu.be/cWGvPjNPo1U

Holbein : the artist that “invented” the Tudors.

Turns out those pictures of Henry 8th were actually propaganda rather than H8th just wanting a nice picture of himself

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Date: 30/08/2022 21:21:01
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1926607
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

Gas shortages across Europe are likely to last for several winters to come, the chief executive of Shell has said, raising the prospect of continued energy rationing as governments across the continent push to develop alternative supplies.

Cuts to the supply of Russian gas since the invasion of Ukraine have plunged European countries into a devastating energy crisis, driving up wholesale prices to leave consumers facing huge bills and the highest rates of inflation since the 1980s.

Speaking at a press conference in Norway on Monday, Ben van Beurden said the situation could persist for several years. “It may well be that we will have a number of winters where we have to somehow find solutions,” he said.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/aug/29/european-gas-shortages-likely-to-last-several-winters-shell-chief-rationing-europe-russia

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Date: 30/08/2022 21:25:20
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1926609
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

Germany upbeat on energy security; Russia cuts gas to France

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/germany-upbeat-on-energy-security-russia-cuts-gas-to-france/2022/08/30/be637892-2852-11ed-a90a-fce4015dfc8f_story.html

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Date: 31/08/2022 00:42:35
From: sibeen
ID: 1926646
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

Russia has condemned the destruction of Soviet war memorials in the three Baltic states and accused them of persecuting their Russian-speaking minorities.

In a statement, the Russian foreign ministry accused Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia of being guilty of xenophobia and said they were treating their ethnic Russian minorities as “second-class people”.

It claimed Russian-language media, kindergartens and schools were being shut down.

Such “Russophobic approaches” will “certainly affect the state of bilateral relations with these countries, which are already in complete decline”, the ministry said.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2022/aug/30/russia-ukraine-war-ukraines-forces-launch-attacks-in-occupied-kherson-un-nuclear-team-arrives-in-kyiv-live-live

I’m thinking this may not have been one of Putin’s greatest ideas.

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Date: 31/08/2022 01:34:19
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1926647
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

so what do the confederate statue defenders think of this new round of cancel culture

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Date: 31/08/2022 06:18:21
From: roughbarked
ID: 1926661
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

SCIENCE said:

so what do the confederate statue defenders think of this new round of cancel culture

Why don’t you ask them?

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Date: 31/08/2022 07:02:01
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1926663
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

sibeen said:


Russia has condemned the destruction of Soviet war memorials in the three Baltic states and accused them of persecuting their Russian-speaking minorities.

In a statement, the Russian foreign ministry accused Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia of being guilty of xenophobia and said they were treating their ethnic Russian minorities as “second-class people”.

It claimed Russian-language media, kindergartens and schools were being shut down.

Such “Russophobic approaches” will “certainly affect the state of bilateral relations with these countries, which are already in complete decline”, the ministry said.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2022/aug/30/russia-ukraine-war-ukraines-forces-launch-attacks-in-occupied-kherson-un-nuclear-team-arrives-in-kyiv-live-live

I’m thinking this may not have been one of Putin’s greatest ideas.

In real life of course, those countries are merely engaging in a bit of overdue derussification, having been forced to adopt Russian ways for generations under the communists, during which time their own culture and aspirations were viciously suppressed.

Since “Russian culture” has long defined itself by Russian jealousy and resentment of the more advanced cultures of the West, former Soviet bloc countries are really not depriving themselves of anything valuable by kicking Russia and its language out of their curriculum.

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Date: 31/08/2022 10:05:19
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1926718
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

Russia cuts off gas supply to French energy giant
Gazprom has announced it will halt supplies to Engie following the French company’s failure to pay for gas deliveries in July

Russian energy giant Gazprom announced on Tuesday that gas flows via the Nord Stream 1 pipeline will be stopped from August 31 until September 3 due to maintenance.Data from the gas pipeline operator, Nord Stream AG, indicates that no gas supplies have been contracted for transportation as of 03:00 Moscow time on August 31.

Russian forces have taken out hundreds of Ukrainian troops and dozens of tanks and armored military vehicles after repelling an ill-fated offensive in the south of the country, the Defense Ministry claimed on Tuesday.

A statement added that officials believe the failerd operation was mounted at the personal order of President Vladimir Zelensky.

“The effective actions by the Russian forces destroyed 48 tanks, 46 infantry fighting vehicles, 37 other armored combat vehicles, eight pickups with heavy machine guns and more than 1,200 Ukrainian servicemen in one day,”

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Date: 31/08/2022 10:10:15
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1926723
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

⚡️Russian Defence Ministry report on the progress of the special military operation in Ukraine

▫️As a result of the defeat of the Ukrainian offensive on Zelensky’s personal orders in Nikolaev-Krivoi Rog and other directions, the enemy suffered significant losses.

💥 Effective actions of the Russian groupping of troops have destroyed 48 tanks, 46 infantry fighting vehicles, 37 other armoured fighting vehicles, 8 pick-up trucks with large-calibre machine guns and over 1,200 Ukrainian servicemen.

▫️During repel of the enemy offensive the Russian troops have defeated units of 128th Separate Mountain Assault Brigade of AFU redeployed from western Ukraine.

▫️5 soldiers of this brigade laid down their arms and surrendered.

▫️The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation in Ukraine.

💥 High-precision ground-based weapons near Aleksandrovka, Dnepropetrovsk Region, have hit a temporary deployment point and an ammunition depot of 1st Tank Brigade of AFU.

▫️More than 200 fighters, including about 40 foreign mercenaries, more than 20 armoured vehicles and a large quantity of artillery shells have been destroyed.

💥Concentrated strikes have been carried out near Konstantinovka in Donetsk People’s Republic against a temporary mercenary position of Foreign Legion formation as well as a command post of Kraken nationalist formation. The strikes have resulted in the destruction of over 100 militants and 7 units of military equipment.

💥In Krivoi Rog city in Dnepropetrovsk Region, Russian Aerospace Forces precision weapons have destroyed the production shops of the Intervzryvprom plant where explosives and other products for the Ukrainian Armed Forces were being manufactured.

💥Operational-tactical and army aviation, missile troops and artillery strikes continue against military facilities in Ukraine.

▫️5 command posts have been hit, including those of 108th and 65th Mechanized Brigades near Vodyanoye in Donetsk People’s Republic and Veselyanka in Zaporozhye Region, 35th and 36th brigades of AFU Marines near Nikolaev, a nationalist formation in Kharkov city, and 52 artillery units, 142 areas of manpower and and military equipment concentration.

▫️3 missile and artillery ammunition depots near Sarny in Rovnenskyi Region, Krivoi Rog in Dnepropetrovsk Region and Vernopol’e in Kharkov Region have been destroyed.

💥Russian air defence means have shot down 2 Su-25 airplane of Ukrainian air force near Krasnoye Znamya, Nikolaev Region.
5 UAVs have been also shot down near Valeriyanovka in Donetsk People’s Republic, Chubarevka in Zaporozhye Region, Kapitolovka, Izyum and Krasnoye in Kharkov Region.

▫️3 Ukrainian Tochka-U ballistic missiles, as well as 53 shells of multiple rocket launchers have been intercepted near Kherson, Novaya Kakhovka in Kherson Region, Antonivskyi Bridge and Kakhovskaya HPP. Including: 44 of HIMARS, 5 of Olkha and 4 of Uragan.

📊In total, 278 Ukrainian airplanes and 148 helicopters, 1,837 unmanned aerial vehicles, 370 anti-aircraft missile systems, 4,539 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 822 multiple launch rocket systems, 3,357 field artillery and mortars, as well as 5,136 units of special military vehicles were destroyed during the operation.

▫️Kiev regime continues provocations to threaten a man-made nuclear disaster at Zaporozhye NPP.

▫️On August 29, Ukrainian troops used 4 strike drones at the nuclear power plant. All the drones were intercepted by Russian means. One of the drones fell on the roof of Special Building No 1, which stores US-made nuclear fuel and solid radioactive waste. Damage and casualties were avoided.

▫️In addition, over the past 24 hours, Ukrainian artillery fired 2 shells into the territory of the nuclear power plant, which exploded near Special Building No 1. The shelling came from artillery positions of AFU near Marganets, Dnepropetrovsk Region. Russian Armed Forces artillery return fire have suppressed enemy firepower.

▫️Radiation situation at Zaporozhye NPP remains normal.

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Date: 31/08/2022 10:12:38
From: Cymek
ID: 1926724
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

wookiemeister said:


⚡️Russian Defence Ministry report on the progress of the special military operation in Ukraine

▫️As a result of the defeat of the Ukrainian offensive on Zelensky’s personal orders in Nikolaev-Krivoi Rog and other directions, the enemy suffered significant losses.

💥 Effective actions of the Russian groupping of troops have destroyed 48 tanks, 46 infantry fighting vehicles, 37 other armoured fighting vehicles, 8 pick-up trucks with large-calibre machine guns and over 1,200 Ukrainian servicemen.

▫️During repel of the enemy offensive the Russian troops have defeated units of 128th Separate Mountain Assault Brigade of AFU redeployed from western Ukraine.

▫️5 soldiers of this brigade laid down their arms and surrendered.

▫️The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation in Ukraine.

💥 High-precision ground-based weapons near Aleksandrovka, Dnepropetrovsk Region, have hit a temporary deployment point and an ammunition depot of 1st Tank Brigade of AFU.

▫️More than 200 fighters, including about 40 foreign mercenaries, more than 20 armoured vehicles and a large quantity of artillery shells have been destroyed.

💥Concentrated strikes have been carried out near Konstantinovka in Donetsk People’s Republic against a temporary mercenary position of Foreign Legion formation as well as a command post of Kraken nationalist formation. The strikes have resulted in the destruction of over 100 militants and 7 units of military equipment.

💥In Krivoi Rog city in Dnepropetrovsk Region, Russian Aerospace Forces precision weapons have destroyed the production shops of the Intervzryvprom plant where explosives and other products for the Ukrainian Armed Forces were being manufactured.

💥Operational-tactical and army aviation, missile troops and artillery strikes continue against military facilities in Ukraine.

▫️5 command posts have been hit, including those of 108th and 65th Mechanized Brigades near Vodyanoye in Donetsk People’s Republic and Veselyanka in Zaporozhye Region, 35th and 36th brigades of AFU Marines near Nikolaev, a nationalist formation in Kharkov city, and 52 artillery units, 142 areas of manpower and and military equipment concentration.

▫️3 missile and artillery ammunition depots near Sarny in Rovnenskyi Region, Krivoi Rog in Dnepropetrovsk Region and Vernopol’e in Kharkov Region have been destroyed.

💥Russian air defence means have shot down 2 Su-25 airplane of Ukrainian air force near Krasnoye Znamya, Nikolaev Region.
5 UAVs have been also shot down near Valeriyanovka in Donetsk People’s Republic, Chubarevka in Zaporozhye Region, Kapitolovka, Izyum and Krasnoye in Kharkov Region.

▫️3 Ukrainian Tochka-U ballistic missiles, as well as 53 shells of multiple rocket launchers have been intercepted near Kherson, Novaya Kakhovka in Kherson Region, Antonivskyi Bridge and Kakhovskaya HPP. Including: 44 of HIMARS, 5 of Olkha and 4 of Uragan.

📊In total, 278 Ukrainian airplanes and 148 helicopters, 1,837 unmanned aerial vehicles, 370 anti-aircraft missile systems, 4,539 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 822 multiple launch rocket systems, 3,357 field artillery and mortars, as well as 5,136 units of special military vehicles were destroyed during the operation.

▫️Kiev regime continues provocations to threaten a man-made nuclear disaster at Zaporozhye NPP.

▫️On August 29, Ukrainian troops used 4 strike drones at the nuclear power plant. All the drones were intercepted by Russian means. One of the drones fell on the roof of Special Building No 1, which stores US-made nuclear fuel and solid radioactive waste. Damage and casualties were avoided.

▫️In addition, over the past 24 hours, Ukrainian artillery fired 2 shells into the territory of the nuclear power plant, which exploded near Special Building No 1. The shelling came from artillery positions of AFU near Marganets, Dnepropetrovsk Region. Russian Armed Forces artillery return fire have suppressed enemy firepower.

▫️Radiation situation at Zaporozhye NPP remains normal.

Truth, lies or bit of both most likely

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Date: 31/08/2022 10:19:13
From: Dark Orange
ID: 1926726
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

wookiemeister said:


▫️Kiev regime continues provocations to threaten a man-made nuclear disaster at Zaporozhye NPP.

The Ukes should probably stop shelling the plant.
/sarcasm

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Date: 31/08/2022 10:22:55
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1926729
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

Cymek said:


wookiemeister said:

⚡️Russian Defence Ministry report on the progress of the special military operation in Ukraine

▫️As a result of the defeat of the Ukrainian offensive on Zelensky’s personal orders in Nikolaev-Krivoi Rog and other directions, the enemy suffered significant losses.

💥 Effective actions of the Russian groupping of troops have destroyed 48 tanks, 46 infantry fighting vehicles, 37 other armoured fighting vehicles, 8 pick-up trucks with large-calibre machine guns and over 1,200 Ukrainian servicemen.

▫️During repel of the enemy offensive the Russian troops have defeated units of 128th Separate Mountain Assault Brigade of AFU redeployed from western Ukraine.

▫️5 soldiers of this brigade laid down their arms and surrendered.

▫️The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation in Ukraine.

💥 High-precision ground-based weapons near Aleksandrovka, Dnepropetrovsk Region, have hit a temporary deployment point and an ammunition depot of 1st Tank Brigade of AFU.

▫️More than 200 fighters, including about 40 foreign mercenaries, more than 20 armoured vehicles and a large quantity of artillery shells have been destroyed.

💥Concentrated strikes have been carried out near Konstantinovka in Donetsk People’s Republic against a temporary mercenary position of Foreign Legion formation as well as a command post of Kraken nationalist formation. The strikes have resulted in the destruction of over 100 militants and 7 units of military equipment.

💥In Krivoi Rog city in Dnepropetrovsk Region, Russian Aerospace Forces precision weapons have destroyed the production shops of the Intervzryvprom plant where explosives and other products for the Ukrainian Armed Forces were being manufactured.

💥Operational-tactical and army aviation, missile troops and artillery strikes continue against military facilities in Ukraine.

▫️5 command posts have been hit, including those of 108th and 65th Mechanized Brigades near Vodyanoye in Donetsk People’s Republic and Veselyanka in Zaporozhye Region, 35th and 36th brigades of AFU Marines near Nikolaev, a nationalist formation in Kharkov city, and 52 artillery units, 142 areas of manpower and and military equipment concentration.

▫️3 missile and artillery ammunition depots near Sarny in Rovnenskyi Region, Krivoi Rog in Dnepropetrovsk Region and Vernopol’e in Kharkov Region have been destroyed.

💥Russian air defence means have shot down 2 Su-25 airplane of Ukrainian air force near Krasnoye Znamya, Nikolaev Region.
5 UAVs have been also shot down near Valeriyanovka in Donetsk People’s Republic, Chubarevka in Zaporozhye Region, Kapitolovka, Izyum and Krasnoye in Kharkov Region.

▫️3 Ukrainian Tochka-U ballistic missiles, as well as 53 shells of multiple rocket launchers have been intercepted near Kherson, Novaya Kakhovka in Kherson Region, Antonivskyi Bridge and Kakhovskaya HPP. Including: 44 of HIMARS, 5 of Olkha and 4 of Uragan.

📊In total, 278 Ukrainian airplanes and 148 helicopters, 1,837 unmanned aerial vehicles, 370 anti-aircraft missile systems, 4,539 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 822 multiple launch rocket systems, 3,357 field artillery and mortars, as well as 5,136 units of special military vehicles were destroyed during the operation.

▫️Kiev regime continues provocations to threaten a man-made nuclear disaster at Zaporozhye NPP.

▫️On August 29, Ukrainian troops used 4 strike drones at the nuclear power plant. All the drones were intercepted by Russian means. One of the drones fell on the roof of Special Building No 1, which stores US-made nuclear fuel and solid radioactive waste. Damage and casualties were avoided.

▫️In addition, over the past 24 hours, Ukrainian artillery fired 2 shells into the territory of the nuclear power plant, which exploded near Special Building No 1. The shelling came from artillery positions of AFU near Marganets, Dnepropetrovsk Region. Russian Armed Forces artillery return fire have suppressed enemy firepower.

▫️Radiation situation at Zaporozhye NPP remains normal.

Truth, lies or bit of both most likely

Are you saying RT can’t be trusted? Well I never!

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Date: 31/08/2022 10:24:13
From: Cymek
ID: 1926730
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

Dark Orange said:


wookiemeister said:

▫️Kiev regime continues provocations to threaten a man-made nuclear disaster at Zaporozhye NPP.

The Ukes should probably stop shelling the plant.
/sarcasm

Supposedly if the Ruskies attack it directly it likely violates Article 5 of the NATO treaty as radiation goes were it likes

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Date: 31/08/2022 10:29:17
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1926734
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

Dark Orange said:


wookiemeister said:

▫️Kiev regime continues provocations to threaten a man-made nuclear disaster at Zaporozhye NPP.

The Ukes should probably stop shelling the plant.
/sarcasm


they ARE shelling the plant.

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Date: 31/08/2022 10:31:45
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1926735
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

Witty Rejoinder said:


Cymek said:

wookiemeister said:

⚡️Russian Defence Ministry report on the progress of the special military operation in Ukraine

▫️As a result of the defeat of the Ukrainian offensive on Zelensky’s personal orders in Nikolaev-Krivoi Rog and other directions, the enemy suffered significant losses.

💥 Effective actions of the Russian groupping of troops have destroyed 48 tanks, 46 infantry fighting vehicles, 37 other armoured fighting vehicles, 8 pick-up trucks with large-calibre machine guns and over 1,200 Ukrainian servicemen.

▫️During repel of the enemy offensive the Russian troops have defeated units of 128th Separate Mountain Assault Brigade of AFU redeployed from western Ukraine.

▫️5 soldiers of this brigade laid down their arms and surrendered.

▫️The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation in Ukraine.

💥 High-precision ground-based weapons near Aleksandrovka, Dnepropetrovsk Region, have hit a temporary deployment point and an ammunition depot of 1st Tank Brigade of AFU.

▫️More than 200 fighters, including about 40 foreign mercenaries, more than 20 armoured vehicles and a large quantity of artillery shells have been destroyed.

💥Concentrated strikes have been carried out near Konstantinovka in Donetsk People’s Republic against a temporary mercenary position of Foreign Legion formation as well as a command post of Kraken nationalist formation. The strikes have resulted in the destruction of over 100 militants and 7 units of military equipment.

💥In Krivoi Rog city in Dnepropetrovsk Region, Russian Aerospace Forces precision weapons have destroyed the production shops of the Intervzryvprom plant where explosives and other products for the Ukrainian Armed Forces were being manufactured.

💥Operational-tactical and army aviation, missile troops and artillery strikes continue against military facilities in Ukraine.

▫️5 command posts have been hit, including those of 108th and 65th Mechanized Brigades near Vodyanoye in Donetsk People’s Republic and Veselyanka in Zaporozhye Region, 35th and 36th brigades of AFU Marines near Nikolaev, a nationalist formation in Kharkov city, and 52 artillery units, 142 areas of manpower and and military equipment concentration.

▫️3 missile and artillery ammunition depots near Sarny in Rovnenskyi Region, Krivoi Rog in Dnepropetrovsk Region and Vernopol’e in Kharkov Region have been destroyed.

💥Russian air defence means have shot down 2 Su-25 airplane of Ukrainian air force near Krasnoye Znamya, Nikolaev Region.
5 UAVs have been also shot down near Valeriyanovka in Donetsk People’s Republic, Chubarevka in Zaporozhye Region, Kapitolovka, Izyum and Krasnoye in Kharkov Region.

▫️3 Ukrainian Tochka-U ballistic missiles, as well as 53 shells of multiple rocket launchers have been intercepted near Kherson, Novaya Kakhovka in Kherson Region, Antonivskyi Bridge and Kakhovskaya HPP. Including: 44 of HIMARS, 5 of Olkha and 4 of Uragan.

📊In total, 278 Ukrainian airplanes and 148 helicopters, 1,837 unmanned aerial vehicles, 370 anti-aircraft missile systems, 4,539 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 822 multiple launch rocket systems, 3,357 field artillery and mortars, as well as 5,136 units of special military vehicles were destroyed during the operation.

▫️Kiev regime continues provocations to threaten a man-made nuclear disaster at Zaporozhye NPP.

▫️On August 29, Ukrainian troops used 4 strike drones at the nuclear power plant. All the drones were intercepted by Russian means. One of the drones fell on the roof of Special Building No 1, which stores US-made nuclear fuel and solid radioactive waste. Damage and casualties were avoided.

▫️In addition, over the past 24 hours, Ukrainian artillery fired 2 shells into the territory of the nuclear power plant, which exploded near Special Building No 1. The shelling came from artillery positions of AFU near Marganets, Dnepropetrovsk Region. Russian Armed Forces artillery return fire have suppressed enemy firepower.

▫️Radiation situation at Zaporozhye NPP remains normal.

Truth, lies or bit of both most likely

Are you saying RT can’t be trusted? Well I never!


if its just disinformation then you don’t need to worry about it. just think that ukraine is steadily pushing forward and the russians have lost 50,000 if that makes you feel better, either way it doesn’t affect me much (yet) and theres nothing i can do personally.

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Date: 31/08/2022 10:32:47
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1926737
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

Cymek said:


Dark Orange said:

wookiemeister said:

▫️Kiev regime continues provocations to threaten a man-made nuclear disaster at Zaporozhye NPP.

The Ukes should probably stop shelling the plant.
/sarcasm

Supposedly if the Ruskies attack it directly it likely violates Article 5 of the NATO treaty as radiation goes were it likes


the russians are in command of the nuclear plant, why would they be shelling it (or is that all part of their evil plan?)

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Date: 31/08/2022 10:35:19
From: Bunny_Fugger
ID: 1926739
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

wookiemeister said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Cymek said:

Truth, lies or bit of both most likely

Are you saying RT can’t be trusted? Well I never!


if its just disinformation then you don’t need to worry about it. just think that ukraine is steadily pushing forward and the russians have lost 50,000 if that makes you feel better, either way it doesn’t affect me much (yet) and theres nothing i can do personally.

But you post their obvious lies here everyday, without providing a source, reputable or not.

The above is laughable, the ruskies are currently getting a spanking in the South, and are on the back foot in the North.

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Date: 31/08/2022 10:37:45
From: Cymek
ID: 1926741
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

wookiemeister said:


Cymek said:

Dark Orange said:

The Ukes should probably stop shelling the plant.
/sarcasm

Supposedly if the Ruskies attack it directly it likely violates Article 5 of the NATO treaty as radiation goes were it likes


the russians are in command of the nuclear plant, why would they be shelling it (or is that all part of their evil plan?)

Spite

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Date: 31/08/2022 10:41:58
From: Bunny_Fugger
ID: 1926744
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

wookiemeister said:


Cymek said:

Dark Orange said:

The Ukes should probably stop shelling the plant.
/sarcasm

Supposedly if the Ruskies attack it directly it likely violates Article 5 of the NATO treaty as radiation goes were it likes


the russians are in command of the nuclear plant, why would they be shelling it (or is that all part of their evil plan?)

That are using it as a base to shell anything in range, knowing that Ukraine can’t retaliate. Occasionally Ukraine does so very carefully.

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Date: 31/08/2022 10:43:12
From: Tamb
ID: 1926746
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

Bunny_Fugger said:


wookiemeister said:

Cymek said:

Supposedly if the Ruskies attack it directly it likely violates Article 5 of the NATO treaty as radiation goes were it likes


the russians are in command of the nuclear plant, why would they be shelling it (or is that all part of their evil plan?)

That are using it as a base to shell anything in range, knowing that Ukraine can’t retaliate. Occasionally Ukraine does so very carefully.


Counter battery fire?

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Date: 31/08/2022 10:46:37
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1926752
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

Tamb said:


Bunny_Fugger said:

wookiemeister said:

the russians are in command of the nuclear plant, why would they be shelling it (or is that all part of their evil plan?)

That are using it as a base to shell anything in range, knowing that Ukraine can’t retaliate. Occasionally Ukraine does so very carefully.


Counter battery fire?


the uko army has been shelling the nuclear powerstation from across the river, the russians are obviously trying to find the howitzers/ missiles being used to hit it. they’ve taken down a few uko howitzers with counter battery. its a stalling tactic to get the russians to concentrate on the powerstation.

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Date: 31/08/2022 10:54:27
From: Bunny_Fugger
ID: 1926757
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

wookiemeister said:


Tamb said:

Bunny_Fugger said:

That are using it as a base to shell anything in range, knowing that Ukraine can’t retaliate. Occasionally Ukraine does so very carefully.


Counter battery fire?


the uko army has been shelling the nuclear powerstation from across the river, the russians are obviously trying to find the howitzers/ missiles being used to hit it. they’ve taken down a few uko howitzers with counter battery. its a stalling tactic to get the russians to concentrate on the powerstation.

Of course! The Ukes are trying to blow up their own nuclear power plant and contaminate half of their own country with radiation but the heroic ruskies are valiantly defending it by parking their artillery right alongside the reactors. Why didn’t I see that?

Rolls eyes

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Date: 31/08/2022 11:00:55
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1926761
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

No one is shelling Nuke plants.

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Date: 1/09/2022 22:37:33
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1927362
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

8 weeks to winter

London 24/16

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Date: 3/09/2022 10:00:46
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1927843
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

Russia’s state-controlled natural gas supplier, Gazprom, heralded a major escalation in Moscow’s energy war with Western Europe on Friday when it announced that the Nord Stream 1 pipeline would remain closed indefinitely, a move that increases the prospect of blackouts and economic turmoil across the continent.

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Date: 3/09/2022 10:09:49
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1927847
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

wookiemeister said:


Russia’s state-controlled natural gas supplier, Gazprom, heralded a major escalation in Moscow’s energy war with Western Europe on Friday when it announced that the Nord Stream 1 pipeline would remain closed indefinitely, a move that increases the prospect of blackouts and economic turmoil across the continent.

saving the world from fossil fuels

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Date: 3/09/2022 10:33:27
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1927863
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

wookiemeister said:


Russia’s state-controlled natural gas supplier, Gazprom, heralded a major escalation in Moscow’s energy war with Western Europe on Friday when it announced that the Nord Stream 1 pipeline would remain closed indefinitely, a move that increases the prospect of blackouts and economic turmoil across the continent.

Russia needs to be careful.

It’d be a tough and expensive learning process, no doubt about it, but there’s a chance that Western Europe might learn how to live without Russian gas, or to at least reduce its need for it, and to develop alternative supplies.

If Russia makes it too difficult, it could easily reduce its own importance to and relevance to Western Europe.

And if that happens, it’d just feed their ‘oh, woe, no-one likes us, they’re out to get us’ paranoia.

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Date: 3/09/2022 11:27:03
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1927867
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

captain_spalding said:

wookiemeister said:

Russia’s state-controlled natural gas supplier, Gazprom, heralded a major escalation in Moscow’s energy war with Western Europe on Friday when it announced that the Nord Stream 1 pipeline would remain closed indefinitely, a move that increases the prospect of blackouts and economic turmoil across the continent.

Russia needs to be careful.

It’d be a tough and expensive learning process, no doubt about it, but there’s a chance that Western Europe might learn how to live without Russian gas, or to at least reduce its need for it, and to develop alternative supplies.

If Russia makes it too difficult, it could easily reduce its own importance to and relevance to Western Europe.

And if that happens, it’d just feed their ‘oh, woe, no-one likes us, they’re out to get us’ paranoia.

why is there even any bother to be conciliatory at this point though, well actually apart from rich bastards wanting a finger in every pie so opposed to renewables and other woke shit, we mean

if cutting back on fossil fuel dependence is good for environment and good for geopolitical security all at the same time

then what the fuck

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Date: 3/09/2022 11:42:07
From: party_pants
ID: 1927871
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

captain_spalding said:


wookiemeister said:

Russia’s state-controlled natural gas supplier, Gazprom, heralded a major escalation in Moscow’s energy war with Western Europe on Friday when it announced that the Nord Stream 1 pipeline would remain closed indefinitely, a move that increases the prospect of blackouts and economic turmoil across the continent.

Russia needs to be careful.

It’d be a tough and expensive learning process, no doubt about it, but there’s a chance that Western Europe might learn how to live without Russian gas, or to at least reduce its need for it, and to develop alternative supplies.

If Russia makes it too difficult, it could easily reduce its own importance to and relevance to Western Europe.

And if that happens, it’d just feed their ‘oh, woe, no-one likes us, they’re out to get us’ paranoia.

Aye. Once the EU complete the switch to LNG they can afford to be even harder on Russia with the sanctions.

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Date: 3/09/2022 11:57:33
From: sibeen
ID: 1927872
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

party_pants said:


captain_spalding said:

wookiemeister said:

Russia’s state-controlled natural gas supplier, Gazprom, heralded a major escalation in Moscow’s energy war with Western Europe on Friday when it announced that the Nord Stream 1 pipeline would remain closed indefinitely, a move that increases the prospect of blackouts and economic turmoil across the continent.

Russia needs to be careful.

It’d be a tough and expensive learning process, no doubt about it, but there’s a chance that Western Europe might learn how to live without Russian gas, or to at least reduce its need for it, and to develop alternative supplies.

If Russia makes it too difficult, it could easily reduce its own importance to and relevance to Western Europe.

And if that happens, it’d just feed their ‘oh, woe, no-one likes us, they’re out to get us’ paranoia.

Aye. Once the EU complete the switch to LNG they can afford to be even harder on Russia with the sanctions.

What could be even worse for the Russians is secondary sanctions. The west telling China and India “sure, you can buy that cheap Russian oil and gas, but if you do we’ll put sanctions in place against you”.

Can’t be done at the moment but once the switch is made then it becomes a possibility,

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Date: 3/09/2022 12:05:08
From: party_pants
ID: 1927874
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

sibeen said:


party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

Russia needs to be careful.

It’d be a tough and expensive learning process, no doubt about it, but there’s a chance that Western Europe might learn how to live without Russian gas, or to at least reduce its need for it, and to develop alternative supplies.

If Russia makes it too difficult, it could easily reduce its own importance to and relevance to Western Europe.

And if that happens, it’d just feed their ‘oh, woe, no-one likes us, they’re out to get us’ paranoia.

Aye. Once the EU complete the switch to LNG they can afford to be even harder on Russia with the sanctions.

What could be even worse for the Russians is secondary sanctions. The west telling China and India “sure, you can buy that cheap Russian oil and gas, but if you do we’ll put sanctions in place against you”.

Can’t be done at the moment but once the switch is made then it becomes a possibility,

On top of all that, Russia can’t export much oil and gas to China and India because of geography. Pretty much all of their oil and gas pipeline network runs west towards Europe. They don’t have big export ports to send it by ship, and those that do are in the Black Sea or the Baltic behind choke-points controlled by NATO-aligned countries. To export to India and China they need to build new pipeline. I am not even sure if a pipeline to India is possible given that Pakistan is in the way.

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Date: 3/09/2022 13:29:25
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1927893
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

party_pants said:

I am not even sure if a pipeline to India is possible given that Pakistan is in the way.

if China tells Pakistan to let it happen, it’ll happen.

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Date: 3/09/2022 13:31:31
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1927895
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

I am not even sure if a pipeline to India is possible given that Pakistan is in the way.

if China tells Pakistan to let it happen, it’ll happen.

don’t worry someone has already used climate terrorism to wash away all resistance

oh wait

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Date: 3/09/2022 14:03:53
From: party_pants
ID: 1927914
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

captain_spalding said:


party_pants said:

I am not even sure if a pipeline to India is possible given that Pakistan is in the way.

if China tells Pakistan to let it happen, it’ll happen.

I was thinking the other way around. India would not let that happen. They have seen the EU example and want to avoid going down that road.

The only reason why India are buying Russian oil right now (oil only, not gas) is because Russia are selling it at a huge discount, rumoured to be around $35 per barrel, so they don’t have to shut down the wells.

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Date: 3/09/2022 14:08:05
From: sibeen
ID: 1927917
Subject: re: Distant voices 2

party_pants said:


captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

I am not even sure if a pipeline to India is possible given that Pakistan is in the way.

if China tells Pakistan to let it happen, it’ll happen.

I was thinking the other way around. India would not let that happen. They have seen the EU example and want to avoid going down that road.

The only reason why India are buying Russian oil right now (oil only, not gas) is because Russia are selling it at a huge discount, rumoured to be around $35 per barrel, so they don’t have to shut down the wells.

And that’s what I mean by secondary sanctions. The west eventually tells them to stop buying the oil.

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