Date: 31/08/2022 06:11:35
From: monkey skipper
ID: 1926660
Subject: Electric Car Push proposal

Petrol and diesel car sales to be banned in Greater Sydney within five years under new proposal

New petrol and diesel cars could be banned from sale in Sydney within the next five years if a radical plan from a think tank is given the go ahead.

The Committee for Sydney, an urban policy think tank made up of a highly influential body of business leaders and infrastructure experts, has set out a series of proposals to halve carbon dioxide emissions by 2030.

The committee released its Decarbonising Sydney report on Monday unveiling plans to ban the sale of petrol and diesel cars by 2027, and gas appliances by 2030.

NSW’s climate policies are leading the nation, but this research is a wakeup call that Sydney’s not on track for net zero – we’ve got plenty of work to do,’ committee spokesman Sam Kernaghan said.

Diesel and petrol cars are the biggest driver of emissions in the area and should be replaced completely by electric vehicles, according to the report.

A blanket ban on the petrol guzzlers would follow in the steps of the ACT, which plans to phase out all emission-producing vehicles by 2035.

Increasing the number of electric vehicles on the road is one recommendation along with no new gas connections and the electrification of taxpayer-owned schools, hospitals, housing and office blocks

Petrol and diesel cars could no longer be sold within the next fives years under radical plans to ban them from the roads and replace them with electric vehicles (stock image)

‘The NSW EV Strategy aims for electric vehicles to make up half of all new car sales by 2030, leading to approx. 15 per cent of the passenger fleet being electric,’ the report states.

‘Our Accelerated Net Zero Transition model shows we need a much faster ramping up: all new cars need to be electric by 2027, so EVs make up approx. 30 per cent of the passenger fleet by 2030 – twice as much as in the Steady Transition approach.’

The plan to ban petrol car sales in NSW by 2027 is more ambitious than other countries with Germany and the UK waiting until 2030 and California 2035.

The committee wants to increase the number of electric vehicles expected on the roads by 2030 from 470,000 to 850,000.

It also wants to replace all commercial and government fleets with electric vehicles by the same year.

‘A key reason EV supply is limited in Australia is the lack of fuel standards, along with no future ban on new petrol/diesel vehicles,’ the report states.

‘A petrol and diesel car sales ban, announced well in advance, would also send a clear signal to industry that EV charging, servicing and supply chain networks need to be in place.’

The committee released its Decarbonising Sydney report on Monday revealing diesel and petrol cars are the biggest driver of emissions in the area (stock image)

The Zero Emissions Vehicle Strategy will see no fuel-powered cars available for purchase beyond 2035 in the ACT

The report advised the number of charging stations should be increased drastically to cut down on consumer ‘range anxiety’.

Australia pushes for EVs; no loans from Bank Australia for new diesel, petrol cars

The push adds to a proposal put forward by a Grattan Institute think tank to ban diesel trucks manufactured before 2003 in parts of Sydney and Melbourne by 2025.

The report claimed trucks made before 1996 emitted 60 times more pollution than vehicles sold after 2011.

‘Since old trucks are so harmful, the largest capital cities should introduce low-emission zones to keep the most-polluting ones away from people,’ the report stated.

On top of introducing more electric vehicles, the Committee for Sydney wants more coal plants to be closed in order to reach the 2030 emissions target.

No new gas connections from 2035 and no new gas appliances by 2030 are part of the proposed plan.

‘Both come with big social, logistical and political challenges, but the reduced energy bills that come with electrifying transport and buildings will be worth it,’ Mr Kernaghan said.

The report shows how making the switch to cleaner energy could reduce the cost of living pressures.

The modelling suggests that by 2050, solar-powered households could be saving $1,000 a year on energy bills on average, and running an EV could save another $1,250 per year.

On top of introducing more electric vehicles, additional coal plants must be closed in order to reach the 2030 emissions target (stock image)

A home battery could reduce those bills by a further $850 per year, and converting gas appliances to electric could save another $150 per year on average.

Endeavour Energy CEO Guy Chalkley is forecasting more than 65,000 electric vehicles will be on its network by 2027, and 1.3 million by 2040.

He said the current number of 12,000 home batteries Endeavour supports is expected to increase more than tenfold to over 140,000 by 2030, and businesses are looking at industrial solar to cut costs and meet sustainability targets.

Dexus executive Rob Sims says electrifying buildings, upgrading to more efficient air-conditioning, introducing EV charging stations and installing solar panels will reduce emissions.

But households and businesses will need help to make millions of decisions, and renters need to join the list of winners for it to work, the Decarbonising Sydney report says.

The report recommends expanding rental and apartment access to rooftop solar and battery storage, including community-scale batteries.

Speeding up the switch to solar hot water with subsidies for new equipment along with new tariffs and smart meters that reward households for their individual decisions is also backed.

The modelling suggests that by 2050, solar-powered households could be saving $1,000 a year on energy bills on average, and running an EV could save another $1,250 per year (stock image)

The solar electrification of government-owned buildings – schools, hospitals and offices – is also part of the plan.

Greater Sydney is urged to start planning for a faster conversion of trucks to battery cells and liquid hydrogen.

The push to stop selling diesel and petrol cars in NSW falls in line with plans by the ACT Government to phase out the sale of the vehicles by 2035 under its Zero Emissions Vehicle Strategy.

Transport accounts for about 60 per cent of the ACT’s emissions, with the new program to accelerate its commitment to significantly reducing its carbon footprint.

Shane Rattenbury, a member of the Greens and the Minister of Emissions Reduction, revealed the full plan in July, which set targets of between 80 and 90 per cent of new cars being zero-emission within the decade.

Financial incentives will be introduced to help convince residents to trade in their petrol vehicles for clean models.

Australian bank announces it will BAN loans for petrol or diesel cars in order to fight climate change and encourage electric vehicles

An Australian bank will stop approving personal loans for new petrol and diesel-powered cars from 2025 as the federal government flags tough new fuel efficiency standards.

Electric vehicles this year have a minuscule 1.6 per cent market share even when Tesla sales were included, with starting prices of $47,000 and a lack of charging stations turning off many potential motorists.

But the customer-owned Bank Australia wants to change that, in a bid to reduce carbon emissions linked to climate change.

Its chief impact officer Sasha Courville this month told the National Electric Vehicle Summit in Canberra the bank’s new policy was ‘an important step in decarbonising the Australian economy’.

‘By ceasing car loans for new fossil fuel vehicles, we are sending a signal to the Australian market about the rapid acceleration in the transition from internal combustion to electric vehicles we expect to see in the next few years,’ she said.

An Australian bank will stop approving personal loans for new petrol and diesel-powered cars from 2025 as the federal government flags tough new fuel efficiency standards. Bank Australia’s chief impact officer Sasha Courville told the National Electric Vehicle Summit in Canberra on Friday the bank’s new policy was ‘an important step in decarbonising the Australian economy’

Electric vehicles this year have a minuscule 1.6 per cent market share even when Tesla (recharging stations in California, pictured) sales were included, with more expensive prices and a lack of charging stations turning off many potential motorists

‘We’ve chosen 2025 because the change to electric vehicles needs to happen quickly, and we believe it can with the right supporting policies in place to bring a greater range of more affordable electric vehicles to Australia.’

Bank Australia made the announcement as Climate Change and Energy Minister Chris Bowen and Transport Minister Catherine King jointly announced that new fuel efficiency standards would be introduced as part of a National Electric Vehicle Strategy.

‘Apart from Russia, Australia is the only OECD country to not have, or be in the process of developing, fuel efficiency standards,’ their joint media release said.

Under Labor’s plan, a low emissions target would apply to 75 per cent of the Commonwealth government’s car fleet by 2025, with that figure including purchases and leases.

‘Up until now, Australian households and businesses have had very little choice regarding low-emissions and fuel-efficient vehicles, and they have been paying for it,’ Mr Bowen said.

The ministers have also promised to have electric vehicle charging stations at average intervals of every 150km on major roads along with a national hydrogen highways refuelling network.

The Chinese-made MG ZS EV is Australia’s cheapest electric car with prices starting at $46,990 for the Excite model

Ms Courville said Bank Australia would continue allowing loans for secondhand petrol and diesel cars from 2025, as it banned financing for new fossil fuel-powered vehicles.

‘Importantly Bank Australia will continue to support customers who can’t yet access an electric vehicle,’ she said.

‘While we will cease car loans for new fossil fuel cars from 2025, we are deeply aware that we need to support people not yet able to afford an electric vehicle while the market grows.

‘We’ll continue to offer loans for second hand fossil fuel vehicles until there is a viable and thriving market for electric vehicles.’

In Australia last year, just 5,149 fully-electric vehicles were sold among the 1,049,831 that left showrooms. That Federal Chamber of Automotive Industries data didn’t include Tesla cars.

However, from January to July, 10,289 EVs were sold out of 622,319 vehicles, with this market share of 1.6 per cent in 2022 so far now including Tesla.

Federal Chamber of Automotive Industries chief executive Tony Weber described the government’s polices as ‘a major step on our journey to delivering low emission vehicles to Australian customers’.

‘This is a good day,’ he said.

‘It also is critical to ensure all Australians are included, rather than excluded because of where they live and what they can afford, and ensure ambition is matched with reality.’

The Chinese-made MG ZS EV is Australia’s cheapest electric car with prices starting at $46,990 for the Excite model – one of just eight EVs available in Australia for less than $60,000 compared with 26 in the UK.

The Nissan Leaf costs start at $55,240 driveaway while the Tesla Model 3 starts at $65,500 before on-road costs.

Australia’s top selling cars are all petrol or diesel-powered with the Toyota HiLux and Ford Ranger utes taking first and second positions in July.

The third-placed Toyota RAV4 is available as a petrol-electric hybrid, as is the Toyota Corolla, which is also in the top 10.

Ford from the middle of next year will be selling the American F-150 pick-up trucks in its dealerships but the fully-electric Lightning version sold in the U.S. won’t be available in Australia.

Australia has a net zero by 2050 target with Prime Minister Anthony Albanese’s Labor government this month securing from the Greens support to legislate a 43 per cent reduction in carbon emissions by 2030.

Bank Australia has a net zero by 2035 target.

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Date: 31/08/2022 09:16:53
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1926698
Subject: re: Electric Car Push proposal

So should I buy electric car now while I can still get a decent price for my petrol car?

Or should I wait until people can’t buy new petrol cars, when used prices will go through the roof?

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Date: 31/08/2022 09:18:08
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 1926700
Subject: re: Electric Car Push proposal

The Rev Dodgson said:


So should I buy electric car now while I can still get a decent price for my petrol car?

Or should I wait until people can’t buy new petrol cars, when used prices will go through the roof?

buy another one then you can do both.

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Date: 31/08/2022 09:24:21
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1926703
Subject: re: Electric Car Push proposal

The Rev Dodgson said:


So should I buy electric car now while I can still get a decent price for my petrol car?

Or should I wait until people can’t buy new petrol cars, when used prices will go through the roof?

Or through the floor, as the case may be.

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Date: 31/08/2022 09:25:16
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1926704
Subject: re: Electric Car Push proposal

Bogsnorkler said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

So should I buy electric car now while I can still get a decent price for my petrol car?

Or should I wait until people can’t buy new petrol cars, when used prices will go through the roof?

buy another one then you can do both.

maybe he means they’re like solar panels and the sheer weight of them will bring prices crashing down

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Date: 31/08/2022 09:31:19
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1926707
Subject: re: Electric Car Push proposal

Bogsnorkler said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

So should I buy electric car now while I can still get a decent price for my petrol car?

Or should I wait until people can’t buy new petrol cars, when used prices will go through the roof?

buy another one then you can do both.

Good thinking.

But a bit academic anyway, since presumably the regulations would need to be passed by the NSW gov, and I can’t see that happening for some time yet.

(I am considering buying electric, nonetheless).

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Date: 31/08/2022 09:41:21
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1926712
Subject: re: Electric Car Push proposal

The Rev Dodgson said:

…the regulations would need to be passed by the NSW gov, and I can’t see that happening for some time yet.

As soon as someone comes up with a need for the regs, and musters the kick-back cash…

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Date: 31/08/2022 09:58:47
From: Tamb
ID: 1926713
Subject: re: Electric Car Push proposal

The Rev Dodgson said:


Bogsnorkler said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

So should I buy electric car now while I can still get a decent price for my petrol car?

Or should I wait until people can’t buy new petrol cars, when used prices will go through the roof?

buy another one then you can do both.

Good thinking.

But a bit academic anyway, since presumably the regulations would need to be passed by the NSW gov, and I can’t see that happening for some time yet.

(I am considering buying electric, nonetheless).


While the purchase price is approx x2 & the range is so limited I won’t be buying one.
Why buy a car that is inferior to my present one?

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Date: 31/08/2022 10:15:55
From: Dark Orange
ID: 1926725
Subject: re: Electric Car Push proposal

The Rev Dodgson said:


Bogsnorkler said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

So should I buy electric car now while I can still get a decent price for my petrol car?

Or should I wait until people can’t buy new petrol cars, when used prices will go through the roof?

buy another one then you can do both.

Good thinking.

But a bit academic anyway, since presumably the regulations would need to be passed by the NSW gov, and I can’t see that happening for some time yet.

(I am considering buying electric, nonetheless).

I think your next new car will probably be hybrid.

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Date: 31/08/2022 10:20:41
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1926727
Subject: re: Electric Car Push proposal

Dark Orange said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Bogsnorkler said:

buy another one then you can do both.

Good thinking.

But a bit academic anyway, since presumably the regulations would need to be passed by the NSW gov, and I can’t see that happening for some time yet.

(I am considering buying electric, nonetheless).

I think your next new car will probably be hybrid.

Don’t think so. I think if I’m going electric, I may as well go electric.

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Date: 31/08/2022 10:28:47
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1926732
Subject: re: Electric Car Push proposal

lucky sydney has tens of thousands charging points AND has upgraded its ENTIRE electrical grid to cope with the extra demand

then again maybe the demand for electricity will be low because the cost of electricity will be high

it will be a win win, you can spend twice as much on a car you can’t afford to use – thats net zero in action

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Date: 31/08/2022 10:32:45
From: Dark Orange
ID: 1926736
Subject: re: Electric Car Push proposal

The Rev Dodgson said:


Dark Orange said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Good thinking.

But a bit academic anyway, since presumably the regulations would need to be passed by the NSW gov, and I can’t see that happening for some time yet.

(I am considering buying electric, nonetheless).

I think your next new car will probably be hybrid.

Don’t think so. I think if I’m going electric, I may as well go electric.

Hybrid will give you the best of both worlds. And will be cheaper.

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Date: 31/08/2022 10:36:32
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1926740
Subject: re: Electric Car Push proposal

Dark Orange said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Dark Orange said:

I think your next new car will probably be hybrid.

Don’t think so. I think if I’m going electric, I may as well go electric.

Hybrid will give you the best of both worlds. And will be cheaper.

How is saving a bit of petrol the best of both worlds?

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Date: 31/08/2022 10:45:39
From: Dark Orange
ID: 1926750
Subject: re: Electric Car Push proposal

The Rev Dodgson said:


Dark Orange said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Don’t think so. I think if I’m going electric, I may as well go electric.

Hybrid will give you the best of both worlds. And will be cheaper.

How is saving a bit of petrol the best of both worlds?

Not the current selection of hybrids that is an ICE with added batteries, I mean the next generation of hybrids that are more an EV with added ICE.

This will allow you to do quick runs to work and the shops purely on battery and longer runs with the ICE if needed. It will also give you time to upgrade your household electrics to accommodate for an EV.

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Date: 31/08/2022 10:50:42
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1926753
Subject: re: Electric Car Push proposal

Not enough plugs: Australia is driving headlong into an EV fast charging crisishttps://thedriven.io/2022/05/30/not-enough-plugs-australia-is-driving-headlong-into-an-ev-fast-charging-crisis/

But as this trip illustrated, there are simply not enough charging stations, even if they are all working.

The trip down wasn’t a big deal. I stopped at the Goulburn fast charging station where there are actually three charging points. One is broken, another has a broken screen but apparently works, while the third is fine.

It was late at night and no-one else was there. I connected and charged with no problems (albeit at a slowish 70kW average), and within 15 minutes I had easily enough to get to my destination and was on my way again.

now multiply this problem by a million – see the problem ?

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Date: 31/08/2022 10:50:49
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1926754
Subject: re: Electric Car Push proposal

Dark Orange said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Dark Orange said:

Hybrid will give you the best of both worlds. And will be cheaper.

How is saving a bit of petrol the best of both worlds?

Not the current selection of hybrids that is an ICE with added batteries, I mean the next generation of hybrids that are more an EV with added ICE.

This will allow you to do quick runs to work and the shops purely on battery and longer runs with the ICE if needed. It will also give you time to upgrade your household electrics to accommodate for an EV.

I was about to say – unless you can get hybrids with a decent range just on battery these days :)

I thought you can recharge electrics on the standard domestic supply, if you have plenty of time?

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Date: 31/08/2022 10:54:19
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1926756
Subject: re: Electric Car Push proposal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8SyoRwV_To

Greta’s filthy car

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Date: 31/08/2022 11:02:20
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1926762
Subject: re: Electric Car Push proposal

imagine the fuckeduppedness of these jokers who complain that excess solar power would destabilise the electrical supersystem while at the same time whinging that there isn’t enough infrastructure to provide charge to electric vehicles

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Date: 31/08/2022 11:08:39
From: sibeen
ID: 1926766
Subject: re: Electric Car Push proposal

SCIENCE said:


imagine the fuckeduppedness of these jokers who complain that excess solar power would destabilise the electrical supersystem while at the same time whinging that there isn’t enough infrastructure to provide charge to electric vehicles

Actually, I can be on that band wagon as they are not mutually exclusive.

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Date: 31/08/2022 11:10:25
From: Tamb
ID: 1926767
Subject: re: Electric Car Push proposal

sibeen said:


SCIENCE said:

imagine the fuckeduppedness of these jokers who complain that excess solar power would destabilise the electrical supersystem while at the same time whinging that there isn’t enough infrastructure to provide charge to electric vehicles

Actually, I can be on that band wagon as they are not mutually exclusive.


True.

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Date: 31/08/2022 11:11:10
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1926768
Subject: re: Electric Car Push proposal

SCIENCE said:


imagine the fuckeduppedness of these jokers who complain that excess solar power would destabilise the electrical supersystem while at the same time whinging that there isn’t enough infrastructure to provide charge to electric vehicles

its when the power is being provided versus when it will be used

how many charging points are you going to need to build ?

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Date: 31/08/2022 11:18:42
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1926770
Subject: re: Electric Car Push proposal

Tamb said:


sibeen said:

SCIENCE said:

imagine the fuckeduppedness of these jokers who complain that excess solar power would destabilise the electrical supersystem while at the same time whinging that there isn’t enough infrastructure to provide charge to electric vehicles

Actually, I can be on that band wagon as they are not mutually exclusive.


True.

Yes we remember when baseload was necessary and yet excessive, that wasn’t a solution either.

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Date: 31/08/2022 11:18:55
From: Bunny_Fugger
ID: 1926771
Subject: re: Electric Car Push proposal

If I had a retail business of any sort, I would be applying for permission to build some charge points in the parking area of my shop, and put a decent markup on the power used, with a discount if you bought stuff in the shop.

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Date: 31/08/2022 11:22:22
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1926772
Subject: re: Electric Car Push proposal

Bunny_Fugger said:


If I had a retail business of any sort, I would be applying for permission to build some charge points in the parking area of my shop, and put a decent markup on the power used, with a discount if you bought stuff in the shop.

I thought the whole idea of climate change was to do away with this capitalist way of thinking.

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Date: 31/08/2022 11:23:24
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1926773
Subject: re: Electric Car Push proposal

Bunny_Fugger said:


If I had a retail business of any sort, I would be applying for permission to build some charge points in the parking area of my shop, and put a decent markup on the power used, with a discount if you bought stuff in the shop.

The problem is, what comes first, the electric vehicles or the charging stations.

It would be good if state and federal governments all had a plan for dealing with this stuff, but I don’t see much sign of it.

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Date: 31/08/2022 11:24:55
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1926774
Subject: re: Electric Car Push proposal

Peak Warming Man said:


Bunny_Fugger said:

If I had a retail business of any sort, I would be applying for permission to build some charge points in the parking area of my shop, and put a decent markup on the power used, with a discount if you bought stuff in the shop.

I thought the whole idea of climate change was to do away with this capitalist way of thinking.

You in training to join the Andrew Bolt team or something?

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Date: 31/08/2022 11:28:01
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1926777
Subject: re: Electric Car Push proposal

Bunny_Fugger said:


If I had a retail business of any sort, I would be applying for permission to build some charge points in the parking area of my shop, and put a decent markup on the power used, with a discount if you bought stuff in the shop.

Commercial EV Chargers FAQs
On the lower end of the price spectrum, a single-port EV charge point can cost about $2,000. On the higher end, DC fast chargers can cost over $15,000 to install.

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Date: 31/08/2022 11:38:17
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1926779
Subject: re: Electric Car Push proposal

The Rev Dodgson said:


Bunny_Fugger said:

If I had a retail business of any sort, I would be applying for permission to build some charge points in the parking area of my shop, and put a decent markup on the power used, with a discount if you bought stuff in the shop.

The problem is, what comes first, the electric vehicles or the charging stations.

It would be good if state and federal governments all had a plan for dealing with this stuff, but I don’t see much sign of it.

better stick to hydrocarbon

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Date: 31/08/2022 11:38:45
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1926780
Subject: re: Electric Car Push proposal

Peak Warming Man said:


Bunny_Fugger said:

If I had a retail business of any sort, I would be applying for permission to build some charge points in the parking area of my shop, and put a decent markup on the power used, with a discount if you bought stuff in the shop.

I thought the whole idea of climate change was to do away with this capitalist way of thinking.

Ummm no. Climate change is about science not your crazy conspiracy theories. You’d make Trump proud the opinions you spout.

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Date: 31/08/2022 11:41:10
From: Cymek
ID: 1926782
Subject: re: Electric Car Push proposal

Bunny_Fugger said:


If I had a retail business of any sort, I would be applying for permission to build some charge points in the parking area of my shop, and put a decent markup on the power used, with a discount if you bought stuff in the shop.

Could retool existing car parks to do that, modify bays so cars charge while you shop.
Run by a third party were you pay when you leave via card/phone.
People being people though they are likely to get stolen or broken

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Date: 31/08/2022 11:41:32
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1926783
Subject: re: Electric Car Push proposal

Witty Rejoinder said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Bunny_Fugger said:

If I had a retail business of any sort, I would be applying for permission to build some charge points in the parking area of my shop, and put a decent markup on the power used, with a discount if you bought stuff in the shop.

I thought the whole idea of climate change was to do away with this capitalist way of thinking.

Ummm no. Climate change is about science not your crazy conspiracy theories. You’d make Trump proud the opinions you spout.

Yes Please

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Date: 31/08/2022 11:47:57
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1926785
Subject: re: Electric Car Push proposal

Sydney to bring back horses in bid to introduce transport diversity

The Sydney metropolitan area will soon be introducing water troughs and free nose bags to boost options for the future. “it just makes sense” say local councillors “no need for expensive charging station, the existing plumbing system can quickly be adapted to provide water for horses rather than EVs or ICE that consume fossil fuels or expensive electricity”

In an ambitious plan tens of thousands of water troughs will be rolled out to meet the expected demand as hundreds of thousands of commuters saddle up for the daily commute. Buggys and carriages will need to be explored before being allowed into the metropolitan zone, these will take up valuable space, for the moment only single riders are permitted, babies may safely be carried in saddle bags, young children may sit infront or behind the rider.

More affluent buyers are looking at stallions, they combine speed and agility, just the thing you need in heavy traffic said one rider, though the police are already on the hunt for more powerful horses to pull wagons for prisoner transport , though admittedly bullocks could be used for the same end.

health authorities are warning about the rising casualties as e-scooter riders collisions with riders or being kicked by spooked horses, the head of the e-scooter federation said yesterday tha…….

(rest is behind a paywall)

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Date: 31/08/2022 11:50:33
From: Cymek
ID: 1926786
Subject: re: Electric Car Push proposal

wookiemeister said:


Sydney to bring back horses in bid to introduce transport diversity

The Sydney metropolitan area will soon be introducing water troughs and free nose bags to boost options for the future. “it just makes sense” say local councillors “no need for expensive charging station, the existing plumbing system can quickly be adapted to provide water for horses rather than EVs or ICE that consume fossil fuels or expensive electricity”

In an ambitious plan tens of thousands of water troughs will be rolled out to meet the expected demand as hundreds of thousands of commuters saddle up for the daily commute. Buggys and carriages will need to be explored before being allowed into the metropolitan zone, these will take up valuable space, for the moment only single riders are permitted, babies may safely be carried in saddle bags, young children may sit infront or behind the rider.

More affluent buyers are looking at stallions, they combine speed and agility, just the thing you need in heavy traffic said one rider, though the police are already on the hunt for more powerful horses to pull wagons for prisoner transport , though admittedly bullocks could be used for the same end.

health authorities are warning about the rising casualties as e-scooter riders collisions with riders or being kicked by spooked horses, the head of the e-scooter federation said yesterday tha…….

(rest is behind a paywall)

Is that real

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Date: 31/08/2022 11:51:34
From: Tamb
ID: 1926787
Subject: re: Electric Car Push proposal

wookiemeister said:


Sydney to bring back horses in bid to introduce transport diversity

The Sydney metropolitan area will soon be introducing water troughs and free nose bags to boost options for the future. “it just makes sense” say local councillors “no need for expensive charging station, the existing plumbing system can quickly be adapted to provide water for horses rather than EVs or ICE that consume fossil fuels or expensive electricity”

In an ambitious plan tens of thousands of water troughs will be rolled out to meet the expected demand as hundreds of thousands of commuters saddle up for the daily commute. Buggys and carriages will need to be explored before being allowed into the metropolitan zone, these will take up valuable space, for the moment only single riders are permitted, babies may safely be carried in saddle bags, young children may sit infront or behind the rider.

More affluent buyers are looking at stallions, they combine speed and agility, just the thing you need in heavy traffic said one rider, though the police are already on the hunt for more powerful horses to pull wagons for prisoner transport , though admittedly bullocks could be used for the same end.

health authorities are warning about the rising casualties as e-scooter riders collisions with riders or being kicked by spooked horses, the head of the e-scooter federation said yesterday tha…….

(rest is behind a paywall)


There will be a new job opportunity for horse dropping collectors,

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Date: 31/08/2022 11:53:10
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1926788
Subject: re: Electric Car Push proposal

Cymek said:


wookiemeister said:

Sydney to bring back horses in bid to introduce transport diversity

The Sydney metropolitan area will soon be introducing water troughs and free nose bags to boost options for the future. “it just makes sense” say local councillors “no need for expensive charging station, the existing plumbing system can quickly be adapted to provide water for horses rather than EVs or ICE that consume fossil fuels or expensive electricity”

In an ambitious plan tens of thousands of water troughs will be rolled out to meet the expected demand as hundreds of thousands of commuters saddle up for the daily commute. Buggys and carriages will need to be explored before being allowed into the metropolitan zone, these will take up valuable space, for the moment only single riders are permitted, babies may safely be carried in saddle bags, young children may sit infront or behind the rider.

More affluent buyers are looking at stallions, they combine speed and agility, just the thing you need in heavy traffic said one rider, though the police are already on the hunt for more powerful horses to pull wagons for prisoner transport , though admittedly bullocks could be used for the same end.

health authorities are warning about the rising casualties as e-scooter riders collisions with riders or being kicked by spooked horses, the head of the e-scooter federation said yesterday tha…….

(rest is behind a paywall)

Is that real


i found it on russia today

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Date: 31/08/2022 11:53:24
From: Tamb
ID: 1926789
Subject: re: Electric Car Push proposal

Cymek said:


wookiemeister said:

Sydney to bring back horses in bid to introduce transport diversity

The Sydney metropolitan area will soon be introducing water troughs and free nose bags to boost options for the future. “it just makes sense” say local councillors “no need for expensive charging station, the existing plumbing system can quickly be adapted to provide water for horses rather than EVs or ICE that consume fossil fuels or expensive electricity”

In an ambitious plan tens of thousands of water troughs will be rolled out to meet the expected demand as hundreds of thousands of commuters saddle up for the daily commute. Buggys and carriages will need to be explored before being allowed into the metropolitan zone, these will take up valuable space, for the moment only single riders are permitted, babies may safely be carried in saddle bags, young children may sit infront or behind the rider.

More affluent buyers are looking at stallions, they combine speed and agility, just the thing you need in heavy traffic said one rider, though the police are already on the hunt for more powerful horses to pull wagons for prisoner transport , though admittedly bullocks could be used for the same end.

health authorities are warning about the rising casualties as e-scooter riders collisions with riders or being kicked by spooked horses, the head of the e-scooter federation said yesterday tha…….

(rest is behind a paywall)

Is that real


Oh, yes. Paywalls are real.

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Date: 31/08/2022 11:54:31
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1926790
Subject: re: Electric Car Push proposal

Tamb said:


Cymek said:

wookiemeister said:

Sydney to bring back horses in bid to introduce transport diversity

The Sydney metropolitan area will soon be introducing water troughs and free nose bags to boost options for the future. “it just makes sense” say local councillors “no need for expensive charging station, the existing plumbing system can quickly be adapted to provide water for horses rather than EVs or ICE that consume fossil fuels or expensive electricity”

In an ambitious plan tens of thousands of water troughs will be rolled out to meet the expected demand as hundreds of thousands of commuters saddle up for the daily commute. Buggys and carriages will need to be explored before being allowed into the metropolitan zone, these will take up valuable space, for the moment only single riders are permitted, babies may safely be carried in saddle bags, young children may sit infront or behind the rider.

More affluent buyers are looking at stallions, they combine speed and agility, just the thing you need in heavy traffic said one rider, though the police are already on the hunt for more powerful horses to pull wagons for prisoner transport , though admittedly bullocks could be used for the same end.

health authorities are warning about the rising casualties as e-scooter riders collisions with riders or being kicked by spooked horses, the head of the e-scooter federation said yesterday tha…….

(rest is behind a paywall)

Is that real


Oh, yes. Paywalls are real.


i found it somewhere

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Date: 31/08/2022 11:55:24
From: transition
ID: 1926791
Subject: re: Electric Car Push proposal

wookiemeister said:


Sydney to bring back horses in bid to introduce transport diversity

The Sydney metropolitan area will soon be introducing water troughs and free nose bags to boost options for the future. “it just makes sense” say local councillors “no need for expensive charging station, the existing plumbing system can quickly be adapted to provide water for horses rather than EVs or ICE that consume fossil fuels or expensive electricity”

In an ambitious plan tens of thousands of water troughs will be rolled out to meet the expected demand as hundreds of thousands of commuters saddle up for the daily commute. Buggys and carriages will need to be explored before being allowed into the metropolitan zone, these will take up valuable space, for the moment only single riders are permitted, babies may safely be carried in saddle bags, young children may sit infront or behind the rider.

More affluent buyers are looking at stallions, they combine speed and agility, just the thing you need in heavy traffic said one rider, though the police are already on the hunt for more powerful horses to pull wagons for prisoner transport , though admittedly bullocks could be used for the same end.

health authorities are warning about the rising casualties as e-scooter riders collisions with riders or being kicked by spooked horses, the head of the e-scooter federation said yesterday tha…….

(rest is behind a paywall)

chuckle

I like it, but keep in mind horses poo and pee quite a lot, and make sure you’ve had your tetanus booster

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Date: 31/08/2022 11:57:28
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1926792
Subject: re: Electric Car Push proposal

i’ve invested a shed load of money into buying oats

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Date: 31/08/2022 12:25:30
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1926798
Subject: re: Electric Car Push proposal

Tamb said:


Cymek said:

wookiemeister said:

Sydney to bring back horses in bid to introduce transport diversity

The Sydney metropolitan area will soon be introducing water troughs and free nose bags to boost options for the future. “it just makes sense” say local councillors “no need for expensive charging station, the existing plumbing system can quickly be adapted to provide water for horses rather than EVs or ICE that consume fossil fuels or expensive electricity”

In an ambitious plan tens of thousands of water troughs will be rolled out to meet the expected demand as hundreds of thousands of commuters saddle up for the daily commute. Buggys and carriages will need to be explored before being allowed into the metropolitan zone, these will take up valuable space, for the moment only single riders are permitted, babies may safely be carried in saddle bags, young children may sit infront or behind the rider.

More affluent buyers are looking at stallions, they combine speed and agility, just the thing you need in heavy traffic said one rider, though the police are already on the hunt for more powerful horses to pull wagons for prisoner transport , though admittedly bullocks could be used for the same end.

health authorities are warning about the rising casualties as e-scooter riders collisions with riders or being kicked by spooked horses, the head of the e-scooter federation said yesterday tha…….

(rest is behind a paywall)

Is that real


Oh, yes. Paywalls are real.

exactly the electrons over the internet really are transmitting that information but don’t worry soon we won’t be able to push enough electrons around for that and then the cuntry really can regress to the 1800s plague feels

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Date: 31/08/2022 12:30:45
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1926800
Subject: re: Electric Car Push proposal

When you run out of fuel you cant just get a can of electricity to get you to a charging point.

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Date: 31/08/2022 12:37:27
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1926802
Subject: re: Electric Car Push proposal

Peak Warming Man said:


When you run out of fuel you cant just get a can of electricity to get you to a charging point.

Maybe that’s when the electric car push proposal comes in?

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Date: 31/08/2022 12:40:46
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 1926804
Subject: re: Electric Car Push proposal

Peak Warming Man said:


Peak Warming Man said:

When you run out of fuel you cant just get a can of electricity to get you to a charging point.

Maybe that’s when the electric car push proposal comes in?

They can be charged by towing them, and they’ll often charge very quickly. Here’s a video of the Tesla being towed, the range gained increases by about 1.5 times the distance it’s towed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaGVoB4Zn-Y

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Date: 31/08/2022 12:41:19
From: Woodie
ID: 1926805
Subject: re: Electric Car Push proposal

Peak Warming Man said:


When you run out of fuel you cant just get a can of electricity to get you to a charging point.

That’s what the pedals are for.

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Date: 31/08/2022 12:42:37
From: Cymek
ID: 1926806
Subject: re: Electric Car Push proposal

Woodie said:


Peak Warming Man said:

When you run out of fuel you cant just get a can of electricity to get you to a charging point.

That’s what the pedals are for.

Could have pedals on the floors for the passengers to charge the battery, like those under desk bikes

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Date: 31/08/2022 13:02:30
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1926812
Subject: re: Electric Car Push proposal

it’s like that time when they predicted Peak Electricity again

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Date: 31/08/2022 19:10:08
From: party_pants
ID: 1926926
Subject: re: Electric Car Push proposal

I think this is a terrible idea. It is not the internal combustion engine per se that is the problem, it the sale of petrol and diesel fuels derived from crude oil that is the problem.

Ban the fuel, not the engine.

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Date: 31/08/2022 19:13:21
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1926929
Subject: re: Electric Car Push proposal

so when is supply a problem and when is demand a problem

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Date: 31/08/2022 19:18:00
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1926931
Subject: re: Electric Car Push proposal

party_pants said:


I think this is a terrible idea. It is not the internal combustion engine per se that is the problem, it the sale of petrol and diesel fuels derived from crude oil that is the problem.

Ban the fuel, not the engine.

Are you sure that’s a better idea?

Making every IC vehicle useless by 2030 seems a bit extreme to me.

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Date: 31/08/2022 19:20:16
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1926932
Subject: re: Electric Car Push proposal

The Rev Dodgson said:


party_pants said:

I think this is a terrible idea. It is not the internal combustion engine per se that is the problem, it the sale of petrol and diesel fuels derived from crude oil that is the problem.

Ban the fuel, not the engine.

Are you sure that’s a better idea?

Making every IC vehicle useless by 2030 seems a bit extreme to me.

Hydrogen.

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Date: 31/08/2022 19:20:34
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1926934
Subject: re: Electric Car Push proposal

Peak Warming Man said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

party_pants said:

I think this is a terrible idea. It is not the internal combustion engine per se that is the problem, it the sale of petrol and diesel fuels derived from crude oil that is the problem.

Ban the fuel, not the engine.

Are you sure that’s a better idea?

Making every IC vehicle useless by 2030 seems a bit extreme to me.

Hydrogen.

plus carbon

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Date: 31/08/2022 19:20:43
From: party_pants
ID: 1926935
Subject: re: Electric Car Push proposal

The Rev Dodgson said:


party_pants said:

I think this is a terrible idea. It is not the internal combustion engine per se that is the problem, it the sale of petrol and diesel fuels derived from crude oil that is the problem.

Ban the fuel, not the engine.

Are you sure that’s a better idea?

Making every IC vehicle useless by 2030 seems a bit extreme to me.

I don’t have a firm date for it. Just in principle.

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Date: 31/08/2022 19:25:27
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1926936
Subject: re: Electric Car Push proposal

The Rev Dodgson said:


party_pants said:

I think this is a terrible idea. It is not the internal combustion engine per se that is the problem, it the sale of petrol and diesel fuels derived from crude oil that is the problem.

Ban the fuel, not the engine.

Are you sure that’s a better idea?

Making every IC vehicle useless by 2030 seems a bit extreme to me.

there are many uses for icvs

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Date: 31/08/2022 19:59:13
From: Kingy
ID: 1926947
Subject: re: Electric Car Push proposal

Peak Warming Man said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

party_pants said:

I think this is a terrible idea. It is not the internal combustion engine per se that is the problem, it the sale of petrol and diesel fuels derived from crude oil that is the problem.

Ban the fuel, not the engine.

Are you sure that’s a better idea?

Making every IC vehicle useless by 2030 seems a bit extreme to me.

Hydrogen.

No. It’s too difficult to make ICE engines run on hydrogen. Much easier to install a fuel cell and run on the electricity that it produces.

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Date: 31/08/2022 20:25:46
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 1926958
Subject: re: Electric Car Push proposal

Kingy said:


Peak Warming Man said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Are you sure that’s a better idea?

Making every IC vehicle useless by 2030 seems a bit extreme to me.

Hydrogen.

No. It’s too difficult to make ICE engines run on hydrogen. Much easier to install a fuel cell and run on the electricity that it produces.

It’s not too difficult if the engine is built to use hydrogen right from the start. For sure the challenge is greater if you try to convert a regular petrol engine though.

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Date: 31/08/2022 20:36:15
From: Kingy
ID: 1926964
Subject: re: Electric Car Push proposal

Spiny Norman said:


Kingy said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Hydrogen.

No. It’s too difficult to make ICE engines run on hydrogen. Much easier to install a fuel cell and run on the electricity that it produces.

It’s not too difficult if the engine is built to use hydrogen right from the start. For sure the challenge is greater if you try to convert a regular petrol engine though.

Toyota is one of the last holdouts trying everything they can think of in order to keep their production lines running and not introduce electric cars into the mix.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IPR50-soNA

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Date: 31/08/2022 20:43:22
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 1926966
Subject: re: Electric Car Push proposal

Kingy said:


Spiny Norman said:

Kingy said:

No. It’s too difficult to make ICE engines run on hydrogen. Much easier to install a fuel cell and run on the electricity that it produces.

It’s not too difficult if the engine is built to use hydrogen right from the start. For sure the challenge is greater if you try to convert a regular petrol engine though.

Toyota is one of the last holdouts trying everything they can think of in order to keep their production lines running and not introduce electric cars into the mix.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IPR50-soNA

Yeah.
I don’t have a problem with hydrogen vehicles, but the generation & storage of it concerns me greatly. It’ll seep out through the tiniest hole and its ignition range is far greater than regular petrol. That, and the average person with their average car scares me.
A lot.

Some examples – https://www.youtube.com/c/JustRolledIn/videos?view=0&sort=dd&shelf_id=0

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Date: 31/08/2022 20:44:31
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 1926968
Subject: re: Electric Car Push proposal

Kingy said:


Spiny Norman said:

Kingy said:

No. It’s too difficult to make ICE engines run on hydrogen. Much easier to install a fuel cell and run on the electricity that it produces.

It’s not too difficult if the engine is built to use hydrogen right from the start. For sure the challenge is greater if you try to convert a regular petrol engine though.

Toyota is one of the last holdouts trying everything they can think of in order to keep their production lines running and not introduce electric cars into the mix.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IPR50-soNA

https://www.toyota.com/electrified/

Link

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Date: 1/09/2022 11:47:07
From: dv
ID: 1927194
Subject: re: Electric Car Push proposal

I’m sure it will happen eventually but 5 years seems too short a timeline.

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Date: 1/09/2022 11:57:56
From: dv
ID: 1927202
Subject: re: Electric Car Push proposal

dv said:


I’m sure it will happen eventually but 5 years seems too short a timeline.

cf California plans to ban gasoline cars by 2035 and this is considered ambitous.
https://www.9news.com.au/world/california-to-ban-new-petrol-powered-cars-by-2035/ddb1e054-0695-489a-8017-edeef075d396

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Date: 1/09/2022 22:49:24
From: sibeen
ID: 1927367
Subject: re: Electric Car Push proposal

dv said:


I’m sure it will happen eventually but 5 years seems too short a timeline.

It’s actually ridiculous to even suggest it. New car sales in Oz were about 1M in 2021. Assuming that Sydney is ≅ 20% of the market then we need sales of 200K.

Electric vehicle sales, both battery and hybrid, will come in at about 20K this year for all of Oz.

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