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The Queen has died aged 96, Buckingham Palace announce
The Queen has died at the age of 96, Buckingham Palace has announced.
The Queen dies, aged 96, at Balmoral Castle
By Latika Bourke
Britain’s longest-serving monarch, Queen Elizabeth II, has died, Buckingham Palace has announced.
Her death was announced at 6.30pm local-time, prompting a wave of public mourning and triggering the immediate ascension of Prince Charles as King.
The Queen, born in Mayfair, London on April 21, 1926, died at Balmoral Castle in Scotland just 17 months after the death of her beloved husband Prince Philip, the Duke of Edinburgh.
She became Queen while on tour in Kenya in 1952 following the death of her father, King George VI and was crowned at Westminster Abbey the following year on June 2.
Queen Elizabeth II in her coronation robes with her sister Margaret (left of her), husband and mother (right), children Charles and Anne, and other family members in 1953.
Queen Elizabeth II in her coronation robes with her sister Margaret (left of her), husband and mother (right), children Charles and Anne, and other family members in 1953.CREDIT:GETTY IMAGES
Photographs and footage released on Tuesday of the Queen receiving new Prime Minister Liz Truss at Balmoral appeared to show her smiling and looking well.
The Queen has been forced to rest following a full day of duties overseeing the handover of power in Downing Street. She is seen here with new British Prime Minister Liz Truss.
The Queen has been forced to rest following a full day of duties overseeing the handover of power in Downing Street. She is seen here with new British Prime Minister Liz Truss.
But on Thursday it became clear during a debate in the House of Commons that a serious situation had developed when notes were spotted being handed around MPs.
Buckingham Palace then released a statement revealing that the Queen was under medical supervision. It quickly emerged that all the Queen’s children, and her grandson, Prince William, had rushed to Balmoral to be by her side.
In June this year, the United Kingdom celebrated her 70-year-reign with a four-day Platinum Jubilee festival of events, street parties, parades, concerts and parties.
During her reign 15 prime ministers have occupied Downing Street – the first being war-time leader Winston Churchill and the most recent Truss, who the Queen invited to become prime minister on Tuesday at Balmoral following the resignation of Boris Johnson.
sarahs mum said:
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The Queen has died aged 96, Buckingham Palace announceThe Queen has died at the age of 96, Buckingham Palace has announced.
I was thinking it probably happened some hours ago.
Witty Rejoinder said:
The Queen dies, aged 96, at Balmoral Castle
By Latika BourkeBritain’s longest-serving monarch, Queen Elizabeth II, has died, Buckingham Palace has announced.
Her death was announced at 6.30pm local-time, prompting a wave of public mourning and triggering the immediate ascension of Prince Charles as King.
The Queen, born in Mayfair, London on April 21, 1926, died at Balmoral Castle in Scotland just 17 months after the death of her beloved husband Prince Philip, the Duke of Edinburgh.
She became Queen while on tour in Kenya in 1952 following the death of her father, King George VI and was crowned at Westminster Abbey the following year on June 2.
Queen Elizabeth II in her coronation robes with her sister Margaret (left of her), husband and mother (right), children Charles and Anne, and other family members in 1953.
Queen Elizabeth II in her coronation robes with her sister Margaret (left of her), husband and mother (right), children Charles and Anne, and other family members in 1953.CREDIT:GETTY IMAGESPhotographs and footage released on Tuesday of the Queen receiving new Prime Minister Liz Truss at Balmoral appeared to show her smiling and looking well.
The Queen has been forced to rest following a full day of duties overseeing the handover of power in Downing Street. She is seen here with new British Prime Minister Liz Truss.
The Queen has been forced to rest following a full day of duties overseeing the handover of power in Downing Street. She is seen here with new British Prime Minister Liz Truss.But on Thursday it became clear during a debate in the House of Commons that a serious situation had developed when notes were spotted being handed around MPs.
Buckingham Palace then released a statement revealing that the Queen was under medical supervision. It quickly emerged that all the Queen’s children, and her grandson, Prince William, had rushed to Balmoral to be by her side.
In June this year, the United Kingdom celebrated her 70-year-reign with a four-day Platinum Jubilee festival of events, street parties, parades, concerts and parties.
During her reign 15 prime ministers have occupied Downing Street – the first being war-time leader Winston Churchill and the most recent Truss, who the Queen invited to become prime minister on Tuesday at Balmoral following the resignation of Boris Johnson.
I bet she died before William, Andrew, and Edward got there.
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
3m ago
18.31
The Queen has died aged 96, Buckingham Palace announceThe Queen has died at the age of 96, Buckingham Palace has announced.
I was thinking it probably happened some hours ago.
i think you’re right.
Her Maj has popped her clogs.
Roll on the Republic
Strange that ABC News 24 has not broken to live coverage,
Long live the king. Long live the king.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Strange that ABC News 24 has not broken to live coverage,
Spoke a minute too soon.
There’s a lot of them range rovers going in them gates. I’ve counted about 50 so far.
In respect, I have lowered the forum flag to half mast, and donned my mourning black veil.
So it’s now King Charles the wodth?
Woodie said:
So it’s now King Charles the wodth?
No he’s going to call himself George, apparently.
Woodie said:
In respect, I have lowered the forum flag to half mast, and donned my mourning black veil.
Convenient that you were already dressed in a black dress and garters.
Woodie said:
In respect, I have lowered the forum flag to half mast, and donned my mourning black veil.
Convenient that you were already dressed in a black dress and garters.
Woodie said:
In respect, I have lowered the forum flag to half mast, and donned my mourning black veil.
Well done.
I’m about to have a commemorative bowl of vermicelli.
Bubblecar said:
Woodie said:
So it’s now King Charles the wodth?
No he’s going to call himself George, apparently.
King George the wodth then?
Woodie said:
Bubblecar said:
Woodie said:
So it’s now King Charles the wodth?
No he’s going to call himself George, apparently.
King George the wodth then?
VII
Bubblecar said:
Woodie said:
In respect, I have lowered the forum flag to half mast, and donned my mourning black veil.
Well done.
I’m about to have a commemorative bowl of vermicelli.
I’ve poured myself a cup of English breakfast.
Time to mow the Netherlands again.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Woodie said:
Bubblecar said:No he’s going to call himself George, apparently.
King George the wodth then?
VII
Liz Truss has just said King Charles the third.
There seems to be a problem with the King’s regnal name with the media having to use Charles III until he is officially proclaimed George VII
roughbarked said:
Bubblecar said:
Woodie said:
In respect, I have lowered the forum flag to half mast, and donned my mourning black veil.
Well done.
I’m about to have a commemorative bowl of vermicelli.
I’ve poured myself a cup of English breakfast.
Good idea, I’ll do the same.
Woodie said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Woodie said:King George the wodth then?
VII
Liz Truss has just said King Charles the third.
Yeah watching that. I suppose Charles could have changed his mind. They’ve had hours to organise a press release to notify the media.
Woodie said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Woodie said:King George the wodth then?
VII
Liz Truss has just said King Charles the third.
That’s probably provisional, until the actual coronation.
Bye Lizzie.
It wasn’t a bad innings.
Bubblecar said:
Woodie said:
Witty Rejoinder said:VII
Liz Truss has just said King Charles the third.
That’s probably provisional, until the actual coronation.
Who knows, he might decide to name himself after a more interesting predecessor, like Cnut.
Or following in the footsteps of Ethelred the Unready, he could be Ethelred the Chucklehead.
roughbarked said:
Bye Lizzie.
It wasn’t a bad innings.
Not a bad way to go. Chipper and fully cognisant to the end. I wonder if she has a stroke or something. She was on her feet and working a few days back.
Ian said:
Roll on the Republic
Certainly time for us to retire from that pantomime, before it gets any more embarrassing.
Bubblecar said:
Ian said:
Roll on the Republic
Certainly time for us to retire from that pantomime, before it gets any more embarrassing.
Will Charles III win Car over? Only time will tell!
Witty Rejoinder said:
roughbarked said:
Bye Lizzie.
It wasn’t a bad innings.
Not a bad way to go. Chipper and fully cognisant to the end. I wonder if she has a stroke or something. She was on her feet and working a few days back.
She may well have been in terminal decline for some time, but apparently she was determined to live long enough to appoint the new PM, so Charles/Boy George or whatever he calls himself wouldn’t be thrown in at the deep end.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Bubblecar said:
Ian said:
Roll on the Republic
Certainly time for us to retire from that pantomime, before it gets any more embarrassing.
Will Charles III win Car over? Only time will tell!
I’m already cringing at the primitive nonsense they’re coming out with, and there’ll be lashing of this in the weeks ahead:
>Truss said the nation offers King Charles III our “loyalty and devotion”.
She ends her statement with the words: “God save the King.”
Truss also calls for people to support King Charles III “to help him bear the awesome responsibility that he now carries for us all”.
I see the abc has got the news breakfast team in early.
Bob Menzies will be cock-a-hoop. In heaven or hell I wonder.
roughbarked said:
I see the abc has got the news breakfast team in early.
They’ll cross to the weepin’ and wailin’ at the gates of Buck P pretty soon.
Looks like they got Albo outa bed early as well. No live cross to him in his jarmies though hey what but. Just a statement.
Woodie said:
Looks like they got Albo outa bed early as well. No live cross to him in his jarmies though hey what but. Just a statement.
I imagine those in the know knew she was dead for the past few hours but the media were careful in not publishing rumours until the official statement from the palace.
Gonna get Charles on the money…
Witty Rejoinder said:
Gonna get Charles on the money…
I never thought we’d see that day.
The Queen’s funeral is expected to be held 10 days from now at Westminster Abbey.
Cheerio everyone. Just popped in from the other side to say it’s been fun. It’s very dark here.
I am very much looking forward to the upcoming spectacles of her funeral and Charlie’s coronation.
Mini Me’s first question, “Does that mean we lives in Kingsland now?”
Divine Angel said:
Mini Me’s first question, “Does that mean we lives in Kingsland now?”
Very astute of young Mini Me.
When do we start getting currency with King Charles on them?
Covert plans, fake news: How the news of Queen Elizabeth’s death broke
By Adam Taylor
September 8, 2022 at 2:10 p.m. EDT
How news outlets globally covered Queen Elizabeth II’s death
The first murmurs that the queen might have died came just after midday in Parliament.
It was Liz Truss’s second day as Britain’s prime minister. Early Thursday afternoon, she was facing a grilling from the leader of the opposition, Keir Starmer, about her plans for the country’s winter energy crisis. Starmer’s deputy passed him a note written on yellow paper. Within minutes, both Truss and Starmer had left the room. There was hushed talk. Something was up.
“A lot of very glum faces,” one reporter noted on Twitter.
It was 12.21 p.m. in London.
Queen Elizabeth II had been the British monarch since 1952 (her coronation was delayed until 1953). She had seen Britain through turbulent years, with a type of symbolic leadership that provided stability and comfort for many. But she was also 96 years old. In recent years, her public appearances had become fewer and fewer. Her husband of 73 years, Prince Philip, died in 2021. He was 99.
For years, there have been accounts of secret plans prepared by the royal family, the British government and the publicly funded broadcaster, the BBC, for how to announce the queen’s death to the people. Leaks had described strict formal procedures under the name “Operation London Bridge,” with the BBC holding dress rehearsals every six months.
The queen ruled for more than 70 years, in 2015 surpassing the record set by her great-great-grandmother Victoria. She was famous for her sense of duty and took part in hundreds of public engagements a year.
Hours before the queen’s death was officially announced, there were fake accounts sharing fabricated news of the death. A BBC anchor shared news of the queen’s death, before deleting the tweet and issuing a strangely worded correction.
According to documents published last year by Politico, the day of the queen’s death would be described as “D-Day.” The scenes in Parliament on Thursday suggested that D-Day might be here, though there were certainly other possibilities.
At 12:34 p.m. London time, the Twitter account of Britain’s royal family shared a statement from Buckingham Palace. It was 29 words long: “Following further evaluation this morning, The Queen’s doctors are concerned for Her Majesty’s health and have recommended she remain under medical supervision.”
“The Queen remains comfortable and at Balmoral,” the statement continued, referring to the monarch’s summer home in Scotland.
Speculation abounded. The BBC website started a live blog; other outlets soon followed. A 2017 story published by the Guardian that described Operation London Bridge was widely shared on Twitter. The lengthy article discussed many of the arcane measures the BBC would take, but also the psychological weight the queen’s death would carry.
“The Queen is Britain’s last living link with our former greatness — the nation’s id, its problematic self-regard — which is still defined by our victory in the second world war,” wrote the British author, Sam Knight.
By 1:48 p.m. London time, the BBC had suspended its regular programming. Huw Edwards, a veteran broadcaster, was on the screen wearing a somber black suit and black tie. The chyron read simply: “HM Queen Elizabeth’s health.”
The royal family rushed to be at her side. Flight tracker websites showed unusual trips to Aberdeen — the nearest airport to Balmoral — from Royal Air Force bases in other parts of Britain.
On Twitter, fake accounts saying the queen was dead were retweeted by many others. This has happened before. In 2016 a fake BBC account spread the soon-viral news that the queen had died, before it was suspended by Twitter. The year before that, a real BBC journalist sent out a tweet that read “Queen Elizabrth has died.” The tweet was quickly deleted; the BBC issued a statement that suggested the tweet had been sent during a “technical rehearsal for an obituary.”
This time, it didn’t seem like a rehearsal.
At 3:07 p.m. London time, BBC anchor Yalda Hakim tweeted “BREAKING: Queen Elizabeth has died aged 96, Buckingham Palace has announced.”
The tweet was swiftly deleted and then replaced with a correction. “I tweeted that there had been an announcement about the death of the Queen. This was incorrect, there has been no announcement, and so I have deleted the tweet,” Hakim wrote at 3:19 p.m.
In the hours that passed, more and more members of the royal family arrived at Balmoral. Prince William, the queen’s grandson, was photographed driving a Range Rover containing her sons Andrew and Edward and Edward’s wife, Sophie.
In the past, some accounts of Operation London Bridge had suggested that the news would not be announced in the evening, leading some reporters to suggest that no announcement would come before the morning. But times change.
At 6:41 p.m. London time, more than six hours after the murmurs started, the Twitter account of the royal family made the announcement: “The Queen died peacefully at Balmoral this afternoon.” The website of the royal family went black, with a simple stark picture of the queen and the message: “Queen Elizabeth II 1926 — 2022.”
The queen was dead.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/09/08/queen-death-fake-news-twitter/
Divine Angel said:
When do we start getting currency with King Charles on them?
They’ll start minting them today so depends on the turn-around time.
Prime Minister Anthony Albanese offers his condolences to the royal family after the death of Queen Elizabeth II, as parliament is suspended.
Albo has taken the day off.
roughbarked said:
Prime Minister Anthony Albanese offers his condolences to the royal family after the death of Queen Elizabeth II, as parliament is suspended.Albo has taken the day off.
I wonder how many ex-PMs will jet off to London in 9 days time?
The Coronation Anthem and QEII:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1W1XJ96y9k
Tom Scott has one of his informative videos on what happens when the Queen dies.
Spiny Norman said:
Tom Scott has one of his informative videos on what happens when the Queen dies.
And it’s not Tom Scott sorry!
time to see how bloody Albanese spins this one eh
Gee, that’s sudden we only saw her two days ago with the New British PM.
She had a good life.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Gee, that’s sudden we only saw her two days ago with the New British PM.
She had a good life.
yeah exactly at least Georgi Ivanov Markov had four days
Long live King Chuck.
Long may he rain.
Peak Warming Man said:
Long live King Chuck.
Long may he rain.
Bubblecar said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Bubblecar said:Certainly time for us to retire from that pantomime, before it gets any more embarrassing.
Will Charles III win Car over? Only time will tell!
I’m already cringing at the primitive nonsense they’re coming out with, and there’ll be lashing of this in the weeks ahead:
>Truss said the nation offers King Charles III our “loyalty and devotion”.
She ends her statement with the words: “God save the King.”
Truss also calls for people to support King Charles III “to help him bear the awesome responsibility that he now carries for us all”.
The way the royal family has been carrying on over the years this should spell the end of them but it won’t
I’m a close friend of Charles so I’ve sent my condolences to the Family,
However it ended up at an Italian blokes address in New Yorke.
Cymek said:
Bubblecar said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Will Charles III win Car over? Only time will tell!
I’m already cringing at the primitive nonsense they’re coming out with, and there’ll be lashing of this in the weeks ahead:
>Truss said the nation offers King Charles III our “loyalty and devotion”.
She ends her statement with the words: “God save the King.”
Truss also calls for people to support King Charles III “to help him bear the awesome responsibility that he now carries for us all”.
The way the royal family has been carrying on over the years this should spell the end of them but it won’t
we mean after the whole Boris Liz WTF wouldn’t anyone else be wanting to tap out too
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-09-09/what-happens-to-money-notes-coins-queen-elizabeth-ii-dead/100619020
What happens to Australian money now the Queen has died?
By Alle McMahon
While cash and coins are becoming rarely used today, the Queen’s image was a small reminder of Australia’s connection to the royal family. What happens now?
TLDon’tR
I’ll sum it up for you all, its now worthless, send it to me and I’ll dispose of it for you
Cymek said:
Bubblecar said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Will Charles III win Car over? Only time will tell!
I’m already cringing at the primitive nonsense they’re coming out with, and there’ll be lashing of this in the weeks ahead:
>Truss said the nation offers King Charles III our “loyalty and devotion”.
She ends her statement with the words: “God save the King.”
Truss also calls for people to support King Charles III “to help him bear the awesome responsibility that he now carries for us all”.
The way the royal family has been carrying on over the years this should spell the end of them but it won’t
All families have problems and most people get to choose whether they want to be rich and famous which isn’t the case for royals.
I just read that the coronation ceremony will include delicacies such as whale and black swan…
Witty Rejoinder said:
Cymek said:
Bubblecar said:I’m already cringing at the primitive nonsense they’re coming out with, and there’ll be lashing of this in the weeks ahead:
>Truss said the nation offers King Charles III our “loyalty and devotion”.
She ends her statement with the words: “God save the King.”
Truss also calls for people to support King Charles III “to help him bear the awesome responsibility that he now carries for us all”.
The way the royal family has been carrying on over the years this should spell the end of them but it won’t
All families have problems and most people get to choose whether they want to be rich and famous which isn’t the case for royals.
And in the public eye I should add.
The King is like 75 or something… so we all may see another change in our lifetime…
Cymek said:
What happens to Australian money now the Queen has died?
By Alle McMahon
While cash and coins are becoming rarely used today, the Queen’s image was a small reminder of Australia’s connection to the royal family. What happens now?
TLDon’tR
I’ll sum it up for you all, its now worthless, send it to me and I’ll dispose of it for you
so
“It is our expectation that this would continue should there be a change in the monarch,” an RBA spokesperson said.
these jokers who haven’t been able to control inflation for decades are still trying to stay relevant
Arts said:
The King is like 75 or something… so we all may see another change in our lifetime…
74, born in 1948, a fine year.
dv said:
Dear oh dear.
Peak Warming Man said:
Arts said:
The King is like 75 or something… so we all may see another change in our lifetime…74, born in 1948, a fine year.
it was ok, I guess…
Rumours are the Sex Pistols will reunite to perform a song at her funeral
Cymek said:
Rumours are the Sex Pistols will reunite to perform a song at her funeral
Queen reunites with Freddie Mercury.
Peak Warming Man said:
Arts said:
The King is like 75 or something… so we all may see another change in our lifetime…74, born in 1948, a fine year.
*73; his birthday isn’t until November.
dv said:
and three days later the queen is dead… coincidence?
Arts said:
dv said:
and three days later the queen is dead… coincidence?
aaaand I see that was the point of the post.. carry on…
Cymek said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-09-09/what-happens-to-money-notes-coins-queen-elizabeth-ii-dead/100619020What happens to Australian money now the Queen has died?
By Alle McMahon
While cash and coins are becoming rarely used today, the Queen’s image was a small reminder of Australia’s connection to the royal family. What happens now?
TLDon’tR
I’ll sum it up for you all, its now worthless, send it to me and I’ll dispose of it for you
not the ABC there helping everyone transition to a digital currency, the worldist paradise, sowing the seeds
Arts said:
Arts said:
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Gee, that’s sudden we only saw her two days ago with the New British PM.
She had a good life.
yeah exactly at least Georgi Ivanov Markov had four days
and three days later the queen is dead… coincidence?
aaaand I see that was the point of the post.. carry on…
What Would Sergei Viktorovich Do ¿
We should become a commonwealth republic. Screw the monarchy yet take all the medals at the Comm games.
In all seriousness although I’m not a monarchist I have to admit I’m somewhat moved. She’s been such a constant background presence throughout our lives that we’re bound to feel the lack.
I’m sure 90% of her life was lived in preservation of The Firm, but there are a few nice things that I can honestly say. She was quietly one of the drivers of the move to pardon people convicted of crimes related to homosexuality, and did what she could to apply diplomatic pressure opposed to Thatcher’s policy of engagement with Apartheid South Africa.
transition said:
Cymek said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-09-09/what-happens-to-money-notes-coins-queen-elizabeth-ii-dead/100619020What happens to Australian money now the Queen has died?
By Alle McMahon
While cash and coins are becoming rarely used today, the Queen’s image was a small reminder of Australia’s connection to the royal family. What happens now?
TLDon’tR
I’ll sum it up for you all, its now worthless, send it to me and I’ll dispose of it for you
not the ABC there helping everyone transition to a digital currency, the worldist paradise, sowing the seeds
I would imagine she would stay on the $5 note, but King Chuck will start appearing on coins some time late next year.
dv said:
In all seriousness although I’m not a monarchist I have to admit I’m somewhat moved. She’s been such a constant background presence throughout our lives that we’re bound to feel the lack.I’m sure 90% of her life was lived in preservation of The Firm, but there are a few nice things that I can honestly say. She was quietly one of the drivers of the move to pardon people convicted of crimes related to homosexuality, and did what she could to apply diplomatic pressure opposed to Thatcher’s policy of engagement with Apartheid South Africa.
She loathed Margaret Thatcher. So, she had that going for her.
Re: currency.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-09-09/what-happens-to-money-notes-coins-queen-elizabeth-ii-dead/100619020
TIL The Mint doesn’t use a template of Charles’ head for this occasion.
I’ve applied for a new passport. It’ll be one of the last to be issued in the Queen’s name.
Screens will glow. There will be tweets. At the BBC, the “radio alert transmission system” (Rats), will be activated – a cold war-era alarm designed to withstand an attack on the nation’s infrastructure. Rats, which is also sometimes referred to as “royal about to snuff it”, is a near mythical part of the intricate architecture of ritual and rehearsals for the death of major royal personalities that the BBC has maintained since the 1930s. Most staff have only ever seen it work in tests; many have never seen it work at all. “Whenever there is a strange noise in the newsroom, someone always asks, ‘Is that the Rats?’ Because we don’t know what it sounds like,” one regional reporter told me.
Hopefully she got time to be a person and great/grandmother and not bound up in duty, which matters sod all compared to them
Amongst all the appalling memes I’ve seen this morning was this pearl:
Dark Orange said:
I would imagine she would stay on the $5 note, but King Chuck will start appearing on coins some time late next year.
Crowns have to change.
Badges and emblems which incorporate the crown will have to change from the Queens’ crown:
!
!
to the King’s crown:
Not used since George VI died.
captain_spalding said:
Dark Orange said:I would imagine she would stay on the $5 note, but King Chuck will start appearing on coins some time late next year.
Crowns have to change.
Badges and emblems which incorporate the crown will have to change from the Queens’ crown:
!
to the King’s crown:
Not used since George VI died.
I heard that on the coins when there’s a new monarch they reverse their gays.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Amongst all the appalling memes I’ve seen this morning was this pearl:
“multiple”?
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Amongst all the appalling memes I’ve seen this morning was this pearl:
“multiple”?
Poetic licence.
dv said:
captain_spalding said:
Dark Orange said:I would imagine she would stay on the $5 note, but King Chuck will start appearing on coins some time late next year.
Crowns have to change.
Badges and emblems which incorporate the crown will have to change from the Queens’ crown:
!
to the King’s crown:
Not used since George VI died.
I heard that on the coins when there’s a new monarch they reverse their gays.
They reverse their gays?
Woodie, bubbles, what do you know about this?
sibeen said:
They reverse their gays?
Woodie, bubbles, what do you know about this?
Yeah, i thought that kind of ‘therapy’ was outlawed now.
dv said:
captain_spalding said:
Dark Orange said:I would imagine she would stay on the $5 note, but King Chuck will start appearing on coins some time late next year.
Crowns have to change.
Badges and emblems which incorporate the crown will have to change from the Queens’ crown:
!
to the King’s crown:
Not used since George VI died.
I heard that on the coins when there’s a new monarch they reverse their gays.
Edward VIII the drama-Queen insisted they not do it on his coins because he preferred the profile of one side.
In Her Majesties own words.
“Grief is the price we pay for love.”
How true.
Forget the new monarch’s head on our currency etc., I want to know does Chuck plan on issuing a line of sanitary products with the royal warrant?
kii said:
Forget the new monarch’s head on our currency etc., I want to know does Chuck plan on issuing a line of sanitary products with the royal warrant?
kii?
reels in shock
Is it really you?
captain_spalding said:
kii said:
Forget the new monarch’s head on our currency etc., I want to know does Chuck plan on issuing a line of sanitary products with the royal warrant?
kii?
reels in shock
Is it really you?
No, it’s my evil clone.
Of course it’s me. Who else would it fucking be?
kii said:
captain_spalding said:
kii said:
Forget the new monarch’s head on our currency etc., I want to know does Chuck plan on issuing a line of sanitary products with the royal warrant?
kii?
reels in shock
Is it really you?
No, it’s my evil clone.
Of course it’s me. Who else would it fucking be?
Trump ?
Cymek said:
kii said:
captain_spalding said:kii?
reels in shock
Is it really you?
No, it’s my evil clone.
Of course it’s me. Who else would it fucking be?
Trump ?
Fuck off. He and his cult have destroyed my sanity.
kii said:
captain_spalding said:
kii said:
Forget the new monarch’s head on our currency etc., I want to know does Chuck plan on issuing a line of sanitary products with the royal warrant?
kii?
reels in shock
Is it really you?
No, it’s my evil clone.
Of course it’s me. Who else would it fucking be?
Yeah, its you. :)
Good to hear from you.
Cymek said:
kii said:
captain_spalding said:kii?
reels in shock
Is it really you?
No, it’s my evil clone.
Of course it’s me. Who else would it fucking be?
Trump ?
You never know, Scott Morrison may have yet another job…being kii.
Hello kii. Long time no read.
Everyone all done with ya weepin’ and wailin’ yet?
I call dibs on the corgis
Woodie said:
Everyone all done with ya weepin’ and wailin’ yet?
Never started. And I’m pissed off that the ABC can’t even break the broadcasting to do the 7 o’clock news tonight. For goodness sake…
Woodie said:
Everyone all done with ya weepin’ and wailin’ yet?
We’re yet to get to the gnashing of teeth. Meagan will surface in good time.
“Federal parliament will not sit as scheduled next week, and will not return for at least a fortnight.”
wookiemeister said:
I call dibs on the corgis
I imagine they’d be at the funeral
Woodie said:
Everyone all done with ya weepin’ and wailin’ yet?
I rent my garments
buffy said:
Cymek said:
kii said:No, it’s my evil clone.
Of course it’s me. Who else would it fucking be?
Trump ?
You never know, Scott Morrison may have yet another job…being kii.
Hello kii. Long time no read.
Hi buffy.
Just feeling particularly isolated from my country with the dead queen and all. Though my dentist and one of his receptionists know a lot about the monarchy. Nothing like having a molar removed while the dentist talks about QEII and family.
buffy said:
Woodie said:
Everyone all done with ya weepin’ and wailin’ yet?
Never started. And I’m pissed off that the ABC can’t even break the broadcasting to do the 7 o’clock news tonight. For goodness sake…
Dead celebrity prompts unprecedented swearing in the forum.
Witty Rejoinder said:
buffy said:
Woodie said:
Everyone all done with ya weepin’ and wailin’ yet?
Never started. And I’m pissed off that the ABC can’t even break the broadcasting to do the 7 o’clock news tonight. For goodness sake…
Dead celebrity prompts unprecedented swearing in the forum.
Well at least I knew who this one was.
dv said:
Woodie said:
Everyone all done with ya weepin’ and wailin’ yet?
I rent my garments
That explains the poor fit.
dv said:
“Federal parliament will not sit as scheduled next week, and will not return for at least a fortnight.”
sibeen said:
dv said:
captain_spalding said:Crowns have to change.
Badges and emblems which incorporate the crown will have to change from the Queens’ crown:
!
to the King’s crown:
Not used since George VI died.
I heard that on the coins when there’s a new monarch they reverse their gays.
They reverse their gays?
Woodie, bubbles, what do you know about this?
Edward was a bit of a worry.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
Woodie said:
Everyone all done with ya weepin’ and wailin’ yet?
I rent my garments
That explains the poor fit.
I’ve lost weight
TIL that Queen Camilla is Colonel-in-Chief of The Royal Australian Corps of Military Police. I hope she uses this power for good.
dv said:
Woodie said:
Everyone all done with ya weepin’ and wailin’ yet?
I rent my garments
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
“Federal parliament will not sit as scheduled next week, and will not return for at least a fortnight.”
Tamb said:
dv said:
Woodie said:
Everyone all done with ya weepin’ and wailin’ yet?
I rent my garments
Who, in their right mind, would want to rent your garments?
Particularly the under garments.
Let us not forget, King Chuckles, as The Stupid Prince, was encouraging Kerr prior to his sacking of Whitlam and sent congratulatory letter afterwards.
Woodie said:
Tamb said:
dv said:I rent my garments
Who, in their right mind, would want to rent your garments?Particularly the under garments.
In case it’s not clear, I’m using the past tense of “rend”, meaning rip.
“Then the high priest rent his garments, saying, He hath spoken blasphemy: what further need have we of witnesses? behold, now ye have heard the blasphemy:”
kii said:
captain_spalding said:
kii said:
Forget the new monarch’s head on our currency etc., I want to know does Chuck plan on issuing a line of sanitary products with the royal warrant?
kii?
reels in shock
Is it really you?
No, it’s my evil clone.
Of course it’s me. Who else would it fucking be?
G’day kii.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/barack-obama-michelle-queen-tribute-b2163187.html
!
Above all, she’ll be remembered as one of the bustiest monarchs in history.
dv said:
Above all, she’ll be remembered as one of the bustiest monarchs in history.
She had quite a trim waist in those days as well.
Kenya is having none of that pronoun-changing nonsense
dv said:
Above all, she’ll be remembered as one of the bustiest monarchs in history.
Hence..
dv said:
“Federal parliament will not sit as scheduled next week, and will not return for at least a fortnight.”
I’m not sure quite why this is necessary. An appropriate minute of silence at some point. And the PM and GG can go over for funerals and crownings.
buffy said:
dv said:
“Federal parliament will not sit as scheduled next week, and will not return for at least a fortnight.”I’m not sure quite why this is necessary. An appropriate minute of silence at some point. And the PM and GG can go over for funerals and crownings.
there’s always online video conferencing
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:
dv said:
“Federal parliament will not sit as scheduled next week, and will not return for at least a fortnight.”I’m not sure quite why this is necessary. An appropriate minute of silence at some point. And the PM and GG can go over for funerals and crownings.
there’s always online video conferencing
What will we get Chas. for a present?
buffy said:
dv said:
“Federal parliament will not sit as scheduled next week, and will not return for at least a fortnight.”I’m not sure quite why this is necessary. An appropriate minute of silence at some point. And the PM and GG can go over for funerals and crownings.
Maybe they all want to go to the funeral?
roughbarked said:
buffy said:
dv said:
“Federal parliament will not sit as scheduled next week, and will not return for at least a fortnight.”I’m not sure quite why this is necessary. An appropriate minute of silence at some point. And the PM and GG can go over for funerals and crownings.
Maybe they all want to go to the funeral?
or Manila.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
buffy said:I’m not sure quite why this is necessary. An appropriate minute of silence at some point. And the PM and GG can go over for funerals and crownings.
Maybe they all want to go to the funeral?
or Manila.
Quite possibly.
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:I’m not sure quite why this is necessary. An appropriate minute of silence at some point. And the PM and GG can go over for funerals and crownings.
there’s always online video conferencing
What will we get Chas. for a present?
how about a crown with integrated vr headset capabilities, body cam, all the bells and whistles
dv said:
Kenya is having none of that pronoun-changing nonsense
LOL
buffy said:
dv said:
“Federal parliament will not sit as scheduled next week, and will not return for at least a fortnight.”I’m not sure quite why this is necessary. An appropriate minute of silence at some point. And the PM and GG can go over for funerals and crownings.
I think there’s a lot of administrative work that has to be done at the succession of head of state.
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:I’m not sure quite why this is necessary. An appropriate minute of silence at some point. And the PM and GG can go over for funerals and crownings.
there’s always online video conferencing
What will we get Chas. for a present?
We have no say in it. It will be revealed, I guess.
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:Maybe they all want to go to the funeral?
or Manila.
Quite possibly.
Its spelt Camilla
Michael V said:
buffy said:
dv said:
“Federal parliament will not sit as scheduled next week, and will not return for at least a fortnight.”I’m not sure quite why this is necessary. An appropriate minute of silence at some point. And the PM and GG can go over for funerals and crownings.
I think there’s a lot of administrative work that has to be done at the succession of head of state.
All the QCs have to change their lettehead
Michael V said:
buffy said:
dv said:
“Federal parliament will not sit as scheduled next week, and will not return for at least a fortnight.”I’m not sure quite why this is necessary. An appropriate minute of silence at some point. And the PM and GG can go over for funerals and crownings.
I think there’s a lot of administrative work that has to be done at the succession of head of state.
For our parliament? It should just continue on as usual. Changing letterhead crowns doesn’t require parliament to stop.
dv said:
Michael V said:
buffy said:I’m not sure quite why this is necessary. An appropriate minute of silence at some point. And the PM and GG can go over for funerals and crownings.
I think there’s a lot of administrative work that has to be done at the succession of head of state.
All the QCs have to change their lettehead
KCs??
buffy said:
Michael V said:
buffy said:I’m not sure quite why this is necessary. An appropriate minute of silence at some point. And the PM and GG can go over for funerals and crownings.
I think there’s a lot of administrative work that has to be done at the succession of head of state.
For our parliament? It should just continue on as usual. Changing letterhead crowns doesn’t require parliament to stop.
this is something they could have planned for…
dv said:
Michael V said:
buffy said:I’m not sure quite why this is necessary. An appropriate minute of silence at some point. And the PM and GG can go over for funerals and crownings.
I think there’s a lot of administrative work that has to be done at the succession of head of state.
All the QCs have to change their lettehead
At the very least.
buffy said:
Michael V said:
buffy said:I’m not sure quite why this is necessary. An appropriate minute of silence at some point. And the PM and GG can go over for funerals and crownings.
I think there’s a lot of administrative work that has to be done at the succession of head of state.
For our parliament? It should just continue on as usual. Changing letterhead crowns doesn’t require parliament to stop.
There is much more than changing letterheads.
Put it this way, if laws are passed before the administrative work is complete, they may not be legal.
Arts said:
dv said:
Michael V said:I think there’s a lot of administrative work that has to be done at the succession of head of state.
All the QCs have to change their lettehead
KCs??
Well, yes. I’m guessing, but they may have to be re-appointed.
Michael V said:
I think there’s a lot of administrative work that has to be done at the succession of head of state.
Yeah. Just think of all those Gordons Gin bottle labels that are gunna have to be peeled of and reprinted.
The title of Princess of Wales now passes from Camilla to Catherine, as do the titles Duchess of Rothesay and Duchess of Cornwall, though she remains Duchess of Cambridge.
The Bell Tower in Perth is going to sound for an hour.
dv said:
The title of Princess of Wales now passes from Camilla to Catherine, as do the titles Duchess of Rothesay and Duchess of Cornwall, though she remains Duchess of Cambridge.The Bell Tower in Perth is going to sound for an hour.
96 gun salute in Canberra at dusk.
Woodie said:
Michael V said:I think there’s a lot of administrative work that has to be done at the succession of head of state.
Yeah. Just think of all those Gordons Gin bottle labels that are gunna have to be peeled of and reprinted.
Quite.
captain_spalding said:
Dark Orange said:I would imagine she would stay on the $5 note, but King Chuck will start appearing on coins some time late next year.
Crowns have to change.
Badges and emblems which incorporate the crown will have to change from the Queens’ crown:
!
to the King’s crown:
Not used since George VI died.
to which Heidi memes…
Roll on the republic.
sibeen said:
Roll on the republic.
Vive la republique!! Gough will probably raise himself from the dead.
sibeen said:
Roll on the republic.
Stop it: you’ll make Alex Hawke cry…
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rollo
Rollo ‘n’ the Republic
Witty Rejoinder said:
sibeen said:
Roll on the republic.
Stop it: you’ll make Alex Hawke cry…
Who the fuck is Alex Hawke and why should I care.
dv said:
Michael V said:
buffy said:I’m not sure quite why this is necessary. An appropriate minute of silence at some point. And the PM and GG can go over for funerals and crownings.
I think there’s a lot of administrative work that has to be done at the succession of head of state.
All the QCs have to change their lettehead
LOL
sibeen said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
sibeen said:
Roll on the republic.
Stop it: you’ll make Alex Hawke cry…
Who the fuck is Alex Hawke and why should I care.
I don’t know on both counts.
Michael V said:
sibeen said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Stop it: you’ll make Alex Hawke cry…
Who the fuck is Alex Hawke and why should I care.
I don’t know on both counts.
I neither know or care on both counts.
sibeen said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
sibeen said:
Roll on the republic.
Stop it: you’ll make Alex Hawke cry…
Who the fuck is Alex Hawke and why should I care.
Probably be a contender for Lib leadership at the next spill
dv said:
sibeen said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Stop it: you’ll make Alex Hawke cry…
Who the fuck is Alex Hawke and why should I care.
Probably be a contender for Lib leadership at the next spill
Oh, just looked him up – another Hillsong happy clapper.
sibeen said:
dv said:
sibeen said:Who the fuck is Alex Hawke and why should I care.
Probably be a contender for Lib leadership at the next spill
Oh, just looked him up – another Hillsong happy clapper.
Just the right chap for the top 5 ministries?
Justice System Reform for Tasmania
Geraldine Allan · 7 mins ·
Queen’s counsel to become King’s counsel
…
In a statement issued first to Lawyers Weekly, the Australian Bar Association (ABA) has confirmed that persons appointed as QCs will automatically become KCs, following the accession to the throne of King Charles III.
sarahs mum said:
Justice System Reform for Tasmania
Geraldine Allan · 7 mins ·
Queen’s counsel to become King’s counsel
…
In a statement issued first to Lawyers Weekly, the Australian Bar Association (ABA) has confirmed that persons appointed as QCs will automatically become KCs, following the accession to the throne of King Charles III.
Other states opted for Senior Council some time ago.
captain_spalding said:
Dark Orange said:I would imagine she would stay on the $5 note, but King Chuck will start appearing on coins some time late next year.
Crowns have to change.
Badges and emblems which incorporate the crown will have to change from the Queens’ crown:
!
to the King’s crown:
Not used since George VI died.
…and all at a time when the UK is bursting with surplus funds for this sort of pointless crap.
Bubblecar said:
captain_spalding said:
Dark Orange said:I would imagine she would stay on the $5 note, but King Chuck will start appearing on coins some time late next year.
Crowns have to change.
Badges and emblems which incorporate the crown will have to change from the Queens’ crown:
!
to the King’s crown:
Not used since George VI died.
…and all at a time when the UK is bursting with surplus funds for this sort of pointless crap.
heh
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Michael V said:I think there’s a lot of administrative work that has to be done at the succession of head of state.
All the QCs have to change their lettehead
LOL
why not just fkn change the title to MC and be done with it
SCIENCE said:
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:All the QCs have to change their lettehead
LOL
why not just fkn change the title to MC and be done with it
MC?
Tau.Neutrino said:
SCIENCE said:
Peak Warming Man said:LOL
why not just fkn change the title to MC and be done with it
MC?
they counsel the monarch.
Tau.Neutrino said:
SCIENCE said:
Peak Warming Man said:LOL
why not just fkn change the title to MC and be done with it
MC?
the term for either a king or a queen for example
Arts said:
dv said:
Michael V said:I think there’s a lot of administrative work that has to be done at the succession of head of state.
All the QCs have to change their lettehead
KCs??
and the sunshine band?
ChrispenEvan said:
Arts said:
dv said:All the QCs have to change their lettehead
KCs??
and the sunshine band?
JoJo BoJo
Arts said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
SCIENCE said:why not just fkn change the title to MC and be done with it
MC?
they counsel the monarch.
sibeen said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
sibeen said:
Roll on the republic.
Stop it: you’ll make Alex Hawke cry…
Who the fuck is Alex Hawke and why should I care.
‐-‐———->
Aus Politics Thread.
Tamb said:
Arts said:
Tau.Neutrino said:MC?
they counsel the monarch.
SC is already being used.
what if they’re young
SCIENCE said:
Tamb said:
Arts said:they counsel the monarch.
SC is already being used.what if they’re young
arristers at the self-employed and employed Bar can apply to be appointed as Queen’s Counsel (QC). They are considered as experts in their field, generally with a minimum of 15 years’ practice. When a barrister is appointed as a QC this is known informally as “taking silk” because of their entitlement to wear black silk gowns in court instead of standard court dress.
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
Tamb said:SC is already being used.
what if they’re young
arristers at the self-employed and employed Bar can apply to be appointed as Queen’s Counsel (QC). They are considered as experts in their field, generally with a minimum of 15 years’ practice. When a barrister is appointed as a QC this is known informally as “taking silk” because of their entitlement to wear black silk gowns in court instead of standard court dress.
B for Barrister
Witty Rejoinder said:
sibeen said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Stop it: you’ll make Alex Hawke cry…
Who the fuck is Alex Hawke and why should I care.
‐-‐———->
Aus Politics Thread.
Greens leader Adam Bandt slammed over ‘highly insensitive’ tweet calling for a republic following the Queen’s death
https://www.google.com/amp/s/7news.com.au/politics/greens/greens-leader-adam-bandt-slammed-over-highly-insensitive-tweet-calling-for-a-republic-following-the-queens-death-c-8179280.amp
Sad but predictable to see all the Labour bigwigs and lefty columnists falling into line in the Royal pantomime, welcoming chucklehead and weeping over Her Majesty etc.
Many of these same people often criticise the “born-to-rule” mentality that routinely sees Eton graduates in all the top jobs etc.
Yet here they are still endorsing the most primitive “born-to-rule” fantasy of the lot, the model for so much unwarranted institutionalised privilege.
Witty Rejoinder said:
sibeen said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Stop it: you’ll make Alex Hawke cry…
Who the fuck is Alex Hawke and why should I care.
‐-‐———->
Aus Politics Thread.
If the move to being a ‘republic’ has any purpose or benefit other than to allow a section of the community that holds particular views to say ‘see, so there, told you so’, then i’m all for it.
But, if that purpose or benefit can’t be demonstrated, then it’s just an expensive rebranding exercise and an opportunity to create more sinecures for a favoured few.
Bubblecar said:
Sad but predictable to see all the Labour bigwigs and lefty columnists falling into line in the Royal pantomime, welcoming chucklehead and weeping over Her Majesty etc.Many of these same people often criticise the “born-to-rule” mentality that routinely sees Eton graduates in all the top jobs etc.
Yet here they are still endorsing the most primitive “born-to-rule” fantasy of the lot, the model for so much unwarranted institutionalised privilege.
The same system currently lacks a white male in the four highest positions of state so there is that.
captain_spalding said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
sibeen said:Who the fuck is Alex Hawke and why should I care.
‐-‐———->
Aus Politics Thread.
If the move to being a ‘republic’ has any purpose or benefit other than to allow a section of the community that holds particular views to say ‘see, so there, told you so’, then i’m all for it.
But, if that purpose or benefit can’t be demonstrated, then it’s just an expensive rebranding exercise and an opportunity to create more sinecures for a favoured few.
I just see it changing my life in any way. I am neither for it nor agin it.
Bubblecar said:
Sad but predictable to see all the Labour bigwigs and lefty columnists falling into line in the Royal pantomime, welcoming chucklehead and weeping over Her Majesty etc.Many of these same people often criticise the “born-to-rule” mentality that routinely sees Eton graduates in all the top jobs etc.
Yet here they are still endorsing the most primitive “born-to-rule” fantasy of the lot, the model for so much unwarranted institutionalised privilege.
self service
ChrispenEvan said:
captain_spalding said:
Witty Rejoinder said:‐-‐———->
Aus Politics Thread.
If the move to being a ‘republic’ has any purpose or benefit other than to allow a section of the community that holds particular views to say ‘see, so there, told you so’, then i’m all for it.
But, if that purpose or benefit can’t be demonstrated, then it’s just an expensive rebranding exercise and an opportunity to create more sinecures for a favoured few.
I just see it changing my life in any way. I am neither for it nor agin it.
not, insert it where you like.
ChrispenEvan said:
ChrispenEvan said:
captain_spalding said:If the move to being a ‘republic’ has any purpose or benefit other than to allow a section of the community that holds particular views to say ‘see, so there, told you so’, then i’m all for it.
But, if that purpose or benefit can’t be demonstrated, then it’s just an expensive rebranding exercise and an opportunity to create more sinecures for a favoured few.
I just see it changing my life in any way. I am neither for it nor agin it.
not, insert it where you like.
Roger.
I’m neither for or against it, either. But, to do it just to soothe the self-generated indignation of a vocal lobby group does not seem to be sufficient justification.
Bubblecar said:
Sad but predictable to see all the Labour bigwigs and lefty columnists falling into line in the Royal pantomime, welcoming chucklehead and weeping over Her Majesty etc.Many of these same people often criticise the “born-to-rule” mentality that routinely sees Eton graduates in all the top jobs etc.
Yet here they are still endorsing the most primitive “born-to-rule” fantasy of the lot, the model for so much unwarranted institutionalised privilege.
It’s supposedly inappropriate to not mourn a famous person dying even though they really have no connection to you at all.
captain_spalding said:
ChrispenEvan said:
ChrispenEvan said:I just see it changing my life in any way. I am neither for it nor agin it.
not, insert it where you like.
Roger.
I’m neither for or against it, either. But, to do it just to soothe the self-generated indignation of a vocal lobby group does not seem to be sufficient justification.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Bubblecar said:
Sad but predictable to see all the Labour bigwigs and lefty columnists falling into line in the Royal pantomime, welcoming chucklehead and weeping over Her Majesty etc.Many of these same people often criticise the “born-to-rule” mentality that routinely sees Eton graduates in all the top jobs etc.
Yet here they are still endorsing the most primitive “born-to-rule” fantasy of the lot, the model for so much unwarranted institutionalised privilege.
The same system currently lacks a white male in the four highest positions of state so there is that.
They’ll allow place-holders like that as long as they’ve shown they’re determined to support the system, and in fact you often find that women like Truss (Maggie is her role model) are more aggressively right-wing than most Tory men.
Cymek said:
Bubblecar said:
Sad but predictable to see all the Labour bigwigs and lefty columnists falling into line in the Royal pantomime, welcoming chucklehead and weeping over Her Majesty etc.Many of these same people often criticise the “born-to-rule” mentality that routinely sees Eton graduates in all the top jobs etc.
Yet here they are still endorsing the most primitive “born-to-rule” fantasy of the lot, the model for so much unwarranted institutionalised privilege.
It’s supposedly inappropriate to not mourn a famous person dying even though they really have no connection to you at all.
meanwhile yet another truckload of SARACAIDS-CoV factories shut down for good and barely a peep
Tamb said:
captain_spalding said:
ChrispenEvan said:not, insert it where you like.
Roger.
I’m neither for or against it, either. But, to do it just to soothe the self-generated indignation of a vocal lobby group does not seem to be sufficient justification.
I’m not fussed either way but I’d like to see Parliamentary reform. Have them acting like adults not unruly kids.
Get rid of the State Governors et al.
Unfortunately, sinecures rarely disappear. They tend to remain, even when they become obsolete, or some of their duties are taken over by new cushy posts. At beast, the same number of comfy reward position might remain constant, but probably with new titles, and with boosted emoluments.
Bubblecar said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Bubblecar said:
Sad but predictable to see all the Labour bigwigs and lefty columnists falling into line in the Royal pantomime, welcoming chucklehead and weeping over Her Majesty etc.Many of these same people often criticise the “born-to-rule” mentality that routinely sees Eton graduates in all the top jobs etc.
Yet here they are still endorsing the most primitive “born-to-rule” fantasy of the lot, the model for so much unwarranted institutionalised privilege.
The same system currently lacks a white male in the four highest positions of state so there is that.
They’ll allow place-holders like that as long as they’ve shown they’re determined to support the system, and in fact you often find that women like Truss (Maggie is her role model) are more aggressively right-wing than most Tory men.
proving oneself as one of the club by being more extreme than the extremists is standard fare
Bubblecar said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Bubblecar said:
Sad but predictable to see all the Labour bigwigs and lefty columnists falling into line in the Royal pantomime, welcoming chucklehead and weeping over Her Majesty etc.Many of these same people often criticise the “born-to-rule” mentality that routinely sees Eton graduates in all the top jobs etc.
Yet here they are still endorsing the most primitive “born-to-rule” fantasy of the lot, the model for so much unwarranted institutionalised privilege.
The same system currently lacks a white male in the four highest positions of state so there is that.
They’ll allow place-holders like that as long as they’ve shown they’re determined to support the system, and in fact you often find that women like Truss (Maggie is her role model) are more aggressively right-wing than most Tory men.
Just out of interest, what are these 4 highest P’s of S?
Tamb said:
captain_spalding said:
ChrispenEvan said:not, insert it where you like.
Roger.
I’m neither for or against it, either. But, to do it just to soothe the self-generated indignation of a vocal lobby group does not seem to be sufficient justification.
I’m not fussed either way but I’d like to see Parliamentary reform. Have them acting like adults not unruly kids.
Get rid of the State Governors et al.
STEMOCRACY
Tamb said:
captain_spalding said:
ChrispenEvan said:not, insert it where you like.
Roger.
I’m neither for or against it, either. But, to do it just to soothe the self-generated indignation of a vocal lobby group does not seem to be sufficient justification.
I’m not fussed either way but I’d like to see Parliamentary reform. Have them acting like adults not unruly kids.
Get rid of the State Governors et al.
Although the Governor is appointed by the Queen, as her representative, the Governor is no longer subject to the control, supervision or veto of the Sovereign or the United Kingdom Government, since the Australia Acts were passed in 1986 by the Commonwealth Parliament and the Parliament of the United Kingdom, at the request of all State Parliaments.The Governor may however be dismissed only by the Sovereign on the advice of the Premier.
The Governor’s role is broad and includes:
Constitutional responsibilities
Ceremonial duties
Community engagement
Advocacy on behalf of the State
https://govhouse.wa.gov.au/role-of-the-governor/
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bubblecar said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
The same system currently lacks a white male in the four highest positions of state so there is that.
They’ll allow place-holders like that as long as they’ve shown they’re determined to support the system, and in fact you often find that women like Truss (Maggie is her role model) are more aggressively right-wing than most Tory men.
Just out of interest, what are these 4 highest P’s of S?
let’s see, Murdoch, Zuckerberg, Musk, Bezos, oh wait, wait a moment
captain_spalding said:
ChrispenEvan said:
ChrispenEvan said:I just see it changing my life in any way. I am neither for it nor agin it.
not, insert it where you like.
Roger.
I’m neither for or against it, either. But, to do it just to soothe the self-generated indignation of a vocal lobby group does not seem to be sufficient justification.
for me the justification for a republic is one of principle, not reason…
we should have a head of state that is one of our own citizens
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bubblecar said:
They’ll allow place-holders like that as long as they’ve shown they’re determined to support the system, and in fact you often find that women like Truss (Maggie is her role model) are more aggressively right-wing than most Tory men.
Just out of interest, what are these 4 highest P’s of S?
let’s see, Murdoch, Zuckerberg, Musk, Bezos, oh wait, wait a moment
I presume the comment was in regard to UK P’s of S.
diddly-squat said:
captain_spalding said:
ChrispenEvan said:not, insert it where you like.
Roger.
I’m neither for or against it, either. But, to do it just to soothe the self-generated indignation of a vocal lobby group does not seem to be sufficient justification.
for me the justification for a republic is one of principle, not reason…
we should have a head of state that is one of our own citizens
Cymek said:
Bubblecar said:
Sad but predictable to see all the Labour bigwigs and lefty columnists falling into line in the Royal pantomime, welcoming chucklehead and weeping over Her Majesty etc.Many of these same people often criticise the “born-to-rule” mentality that routinely sees Eton graduates in all the top jobs etc.
Yet here they are still endorsing the most primitive “born-to-rule” fantasy of the lot, the model for so much unwarranted institutionalised privilege.
It’s supposedly inappropriate to not mourn a famous person dying even though they really have no connection to you at all.
then I am inappropriate.. even though I apply the most amount of appropriate emotion to someone I don’t even know passing..
diddly-squat said:
captain_spalding said:
ChrispenEvan said:not, insert it where you like.
Roger.
I’m neither for or against it, either. But, to do it just to soothe the self-generated indignation of a vocal lobby group does not seem to be sufficient justification.
for me the justification for a republic is one of principle, not reason…
we should have a head of state that is one of our own citizens
I agree.
But I don’t have a problem with politicians of any flavour treating the death of our past head of state as something of importance.
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:The Rev Dodgson said:
Just out of interest, what are these 4 highest P’s of S?
let’s see, Murdoch, Zuckerberg, Musk, Bezos, oh wait, wait a moment
I presume the comment was in regard to UK P’s of S.
them ieces of hit have UK eating out of their hands plenty don’t they but yeah fair enough back to regular viewing
The Rev Dodgson said:
diddly-squat said:
captain_spalding said:Roger.
I’m neither for or against it, either. But, to do it just to soothe the self-generated indignation of a vocal lobby group does not seem to be sufficient justification.
for me the justification for a republic is one of principle, not reason…
we should have a head of state that is one of our own citizens
I agree.
But I don’t have a problem with politicians of any flavour treating the death of our past head of state as something of importance.
I agree
In fact, I think it appropriate.
diddly-squat said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
diddly-squat said:for me the justification for a republic is one of principle, not reason…
we should have a head of state that is one of our own citizens
I agree.
But I don’t have a problem with politicians of any flavour treating the death of our past head of state as something of importance.
I agree
In fact, I think it appropriate.
For mine, it doesn’t bother me how anyone else reacts. People have to hoe their respective rows.
dv said:
diddly-squat said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I agree.
But I don’t have a problem with politicians of any flavour treating the death of our past head of state as something of importance.
I agree
In fact, I think it appropriate.
For mine, it doesn’t bother me how anyone else reacts. People have to hoe their respective rows.
what’s it with you males and hoes?
Arts said:
dv said:
diddly-squat said:I agree
In fact, I think it appropriate.
For mine, it doesn’t bother me how anyone else reacts. People have to hoe their respective rows.
what’s it with you males and hoes?
heh
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bubblecar said:
Witty Rejoinder said:The same system currently lacks a white male in the four highest positions of state so there is that.
They’ll allow place-holders like that as long as they’ve shown they’re determined to support the system, and in fact you often find that women like Truss (Maggie is her role model) are more aggressively right-wing than most Tory men.
Just out of interest, what are these 4 highest P’s of S?
PM, Chancellor of Exchequer, Home Secretary and Foreign Secretary.
diddly-squat said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
diddly-squat said:for me the justification for a republic is one of principle, not reason…
we should have a head of state that is one of our own citizens
I agree.
But I don’t have a problem with politicians of any flavour treating the death of our past head of state as something of importance.
I agree
In fact, I think it appropriate.
Or even having some empathy for the various inclinations and foibles of your fellow humans.
Witty Rejoinder said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bubblecar said:They’ll allow place-holders like that as long as they’ve shown they’re determined to support the system, and in fact you often find that women like Truss (Maggie is her role model) are more aggressively right-wing than most Tory men.
Just out of interest, what are these 4 highest P’s of S?
PM, Chancellor of Exchequer, Home Secretary and Foreign Secretary.
Well other than the first one, I couldn’t name them, but I suppose the other contender for PM is still C of E.
And doesn’t “King” count as a pretty senior position of state?
The Rev Dodgson said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Just out of interest, what are these 4 highest P’s of S?
PM, Chancellor of Exchequer, Home Secretary and Foreign Secretary.
Well other than the first one, I couldn’t name them, but I suppose the other contender for PM is still C of E.
And doesn’t “King” count as a pretty senior position of state?
Purely a ceremonial role.
Witty Rejoinder said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Witty Rejoinder said:PM, Chancellor of Exchequer, Home Secretary and Foreign Secretary.
Well other than the first one, I couldn’t name them, but I suppose the other contender for PM is still C of E.
And doesn’t “King” count as a pretty senior position of state?
Purely a ceremonial role.
he can start a new religion
I just checked and this thread wasn’t started by Boris so she probably really is dead.
Witty Rejoinder said:
diddly-squat said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I agree.
But I don’t have a problem with politicians of any flavour treating the death of our past head of state as something of importance.
I agree
In fact, I think it appropriate.
Or even having some empathy for the various inclinations and foibles of your fellow humans.
She did more than seventy years in service.
Witty Rejoinder said:
diddly-squat said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I agree.
But I don’t have a problem with politicians of any flavour treating the death of our past head of state as something of importance.
I agree
In fact, I think it appropriate.
Or even having some empathy for the various inclinations and foibles of your fellow humans.
In the scheme of things though her death is no more important or less so than anyone else’s
Peak Warming Man said:
I just checked and this thread wasn’t started by Boris so she probably really is dead.
She just changed her name to Charles.
Cymek said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
diddly-squat said:I agree
In fact, I think it appropriate.
Or even having some empathy for the various inclinations and foibles of your fellow humans.
In the scheme of things though her death is no more important or less so than anyone else’s
Death is usually fairly significant.
roughbarked said:
Cymek said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Or even having some empathy for the various inclinations and foibles of your fellow humans.
In the scheme of things though her death is no more important or less so than anyone else’s
Death is usually fairly significant.
life changing.
Witty Rejoinder said:
diddly-squat said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I agree.
But I don’t have a problem with politicians of any flavour treating the death of our past head of state as something of importance.
I agree
In fact, I think it appropriate.
Or even having some empathy
I’m out…
roughbarked said:
Cymek said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Or even having some empathy for the various inclinations and foibles of your fellow humans.
In the scheme of things though her death is no more important or less so than anyone else’s
Death is usually fairly significant.
For those that know the person
Cymek said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
diddly-squat said:I agree
In fact, I think it appropriate.
Or even having some empathy for the various inclinations and foibles of your fellow humans.
In the scheme of things though her death is no more important or less so than anyone else’s
Is the death of a respected person more significant than that of someone less worthy?
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:
Cymek said:In the scheme of things though her death is no more important or less so than anyone else’s
Death is usually fairly significant.
For those that know the person
I’m talking along the line we are going to get every human and his dog saying how sad it is when you have no emotional connection to her at all.
It’s sad for her family but she’s just another human out of tens of thousands that died on that day.
People tend to jump on the famous dead person bandwagon when before they paid no attention at all.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Cymek said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Or even having some empathy for the various inclinations and foibles of your fellow humans.
In the scheme of things though her death is no more important or less so than anyone else’s
Is the death of a respected person more significant than that of someone less worthy?
No its not, I don’t think so.
It’s part of a me to club though like you are personally grieving
Michael V said:
buffy said:
Michael V said:I think there’s a lot of administrative work that has to be done at the succession of head of state.
For our parliament? It should just continue on as usual. Changing letterhead crowns doesn’t require parliament to stop.
There is much more than changing letterheads.
Put it this way, if laws are passed before the administrative work is complete, they may not be legal.
I wouldn’t have thought so. I think I read this morning that Liz wasn’t crowned for some months. I doubt the world stopped in the meantime.
Arts said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
diddly-squat said:I agree
In fact, I think it appropriate.
Or even having some empathy
I’m out…
Yeah, talk about crossing the fucking Rubicon.
buffy said:
Michael V said:
buffy said:For our parliament? It should just continue on as usual. Changing letterhead crowns doesn’t require parliament to stop.
There is much more than changing letterheads.
Put it this way, if laws are passed before the administrative work is complete, they may not be legal.
I wouldn’t have thought so. I think I read this morning that Liz wasn’t crowned for some months. I doubt the world stopped in the meantime.
Wasn’t she in seth efrica at the time?
sibeen said:
Arts said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Or even having some empathy
I’m out…
Yeah, talk about crossing the fucking Rubicon.
be a piss of piss if you hadn’t burnt your bridges.
roughbarked said:
buffy said:
Michael V said:There is much more than changing letterheads.
Put it this way, if laws are passed before the administrative work is complete, they may not be legal.
I wouldn’t have thought so. I think I read this morning that Liz wasn’t crowned for some months. I doubt the world stopped in the meantime.
Wasn’t she in seth efrica at the time?
Kenya.
ChrispenEvan said:
roughbarked said:
buffy said:I wouldn’t have thought so. I think I read this morning that Liz wasn’t crowned for some months. I doubt the world stopped in the meantime.
Wasn’t she in seth efrica at the time?
Kenya.
Yes I ken.
ChrispenEvan said:
roughbarked said:
buffy said:I wouldn’t have thought so. I think I read this morning that Liz wasn’t crowned for some months. I doubt the world stopped in the meantime.
Wasn’t she in seth efrica at the time?
Kenya.
close but no cigar.
Cymek said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Cymek said:In the scheme of things though her death is no more important or less so than anyone else’s
Is the death of a respected person more significant than that of someone less worthy?
No its not, I don’t think so.
It’s part of a me to club though like you are personally grieving
Maybe people are personally grieving? What’s wrong with that?
Witty Rejoinder said:
Cymek said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Is the death of a respected person more significant than that of someone less worthy?
No its not, I don’t think so.
It’s part of a me to club though like you are personally grieving
Maybe people are personally grieving? What’s wrong with that?
English people are. The Queen was pretty big over there.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Cymek said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Is the death of a respected person more significant than that of someone less worthy?
No its not, I don’t think so.
It’s part of a me to club though like you are personally grieving
Maybe people are personally grieving? What’s wrong with that?
Nothing I do think its an attention thing though
Neophyte said:
ChrispenEvan said:
roughbarked said:Wasn’t she in seth efrica at the time?
Kenya.
Yes I ken.
Elizabeth II was coronated 16 months after she became Queen.
George VI: 5 months
Edward VIII: never coronated. Abdicated 11 months after accession.
George V: 13 months
Cymek said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Cymek said:No its not, I don’t think so.
It’s part of a me to club though like you are personally grieving
Maybe people are personally grieving? What’s wrong with that?
Nothing I do think its an attention thing though
Just because you don’t understand a person’s emotional life doesn’t mean it’s fake or put on…
Arts’ owns it, repeat after me: I do not understand my fellow humans and their feelings etc…
Cymek said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Cymek said:In the scheme of things though her death is no more important or less so than anyone else’s
Is the death of a respected person more significant than that of someone less worthy?
No its not, I don’t think so.
It’s part of a me to club though like you are personally grieving
She was respected, but for what? Smiling, waving and shaking hands when expected, signing bits of paper, reading speeches written for her by other people, while living in unspeakable wealth and privilege in a whole series of palaces with her pampered family and entourage.
We’re expected to believe that because she could do those few simple things without fucking it up, she was a majestic and inspiring presence in our lives and vital to the wellbeing of several nations.
It’s laughable nonsense, but apparently only to a few “embittered souls” like me :)
Peak Warming Man said:
I just checked and this thread wasn’t started by Boris so she probably really is dead.
LOLOL
dv said:
Neophyte said:
ChrispenEvan said:Kenya.
Yes I ken.
Elizabeth II was coronated 16 months after she became Queen.
George VI: 5 months
Edward VIII: never coronated. Abdicated 11 months after accession.
George V: 13 months
A Pedant writes: technically, coronated is not a word. At a coronation, one is crowned. Source: Prof Roly Sussex, Emeritus Professor of Linguistic etc etc and guest on various ABC radio programmes.
Neophyte said:
dv said:
Neophyte said:Yes I ken.
Elizabeth II was coronated 16 months after she became Queen.
George VI: 5 months
Edward VIII: never coronated. Abdicated 11 months after accession.
George V: 13 months
A Pedant writes: technically, coronated is not a word. At a coronation, one is crowned. Source: Prof Roly Sussex, Emeritus Professor of Linguistic etc etc and guest on various ABC radio programmes.
BURN!
Bubblecar said:
Cymek said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Is the death of a respected person more significant than that of someone less worthy?
No its not, I don’t think so.
It’s part of a me to club though like you are personally grieving
She was respected, but for what? Smiling, waving and shaking hands when expected, signing bits of paper, reading speeches written for her by other people, while living in unspeakable wealth and privilege in a whole series of palaces with her pampered family and entourage.
We’re expected to believe that because she could do those few simple things without fucking it up, she was a majestic and inspiring presence in our lives and vital to the wellbeing of several nations.
It’s laughable nonsense, but apparently only to a few “embittered souls” like me :)
Something like that yes
H of C is sitting on a Saturday and our lot get two weeks off…
Witty Rejoinder said:
H of C is sitting on a Saturday and our lot get two weeks off…
they only have to go across the road, our lot have to travel half way around the world.
Spotted on Twitter a moment ago, from The Chaser mob.
“God fails to save the Queen”.
ChrispenEvan said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
H of C is sitting on a Saturday and our lot get two weeks off…
they only have to go across the road, our lot have to travel half way around the world.
Are they all going?!?
Spiny Norman said:
Spotted on Twitter a moment ago, from The Chaser mob.“God fails to save the Queen”.
Prayers remain unanswered.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Cymek said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Maybe people are personally grieving? What’s wrong with that?
Nothing I do think its an attention thing though
Just because you don’t understand a person’s emotional life doesn’t mean it’s fake or put on…
Arts’ owns it, repeat after me: I do not understand my fellow humans and their feelings etc…
emotions are for the weak..
Spiny Norman said:
Spotted on Twitter a moment ago, from The Chaser mob.“God fails to save the Queen”.
should have gone to the Library.
Witty Rejoinder said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
H of C is sitting on a Saturday and our lot get two weeks off…
they only have to go across the road, our lot have to travel half way around the world.
Are they all going?!?
Dunno.
ChrispenEvan said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
ChrispenEvan said:they only have to go across the road, our lot have to travel half way around the world.
Are they all going?!?
Dunno.
Think the Captain said some were going to Manilla.
Arts said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Cymek said:Nothing I do think its an attention thing though
Just because you don’t understand a person’s emotional life doesn’t mean it’s fake or put on…
Arts’ owns it, repeat after me: I do not understand my fellow humans and their feelings etc…
emotions are for the weak..
yes, unless they are sad cat videos.
Mrs Ethel Shroake is now just that little bit nearer to the crown.
Neophyte said:
Mrs Ethel Shroake is now just that little bit nearer to the crown.
what about that NZ guy?
they should get one of the staff to wrap the crown in layers of The Sub and all sit in a circle with rousing music and then just keep going until someone unwraps the last layers.. that person, there’s your reinging monarch…
Arts said:
they should get one of the staff to wrap the crown in layers of The Sub and all sit in a circle with rousing music and then just keep going until someone unwraps the last layers.. that person, there’s your reinging monarch…
ChrispenEvan said:
Neophyte said:
Mrs Ethel Shroake is now just that little bit nearer to the crown.
what about that NZ guy?
Helen Clark?
Arts said:
Arts said:
they should get one of the staff to wrap the crown in layers of The Sub and all sit in a circle with rousing music and then just keep going until someone unwraps the last layers.. that person, there’s your reinging monarch…
- Sun
What about the Big Issue ?
Spiny Norman said:
Spotted on Twitter a moment ago, from The Chaser mob.“God fails to save the Queen”.
True.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Spiny Norman said:
Spotted on Twitter a moment ago, from The Chaser mob.“God fails to save the Queen”.
True.
It was said millions of times.
Around an hour before news of the Queen’s death broke, Bezos quoted a tweet from Carnegie Mellon professor Uju Anya, who’d written several hours before: “I heard the chief monarch of a thieving raping genocidal empire is finally dying. May her pain be excruciating.”
Bezos got into a lot of trouble on twitter for criticising that tweet.
On line platforms are pretty sad places.
And it’s started already.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Spiny Norman said:
Spotted on Twitter a moment ago, from The Chaser mob.“God fails to save the Queen”.
True.
It was said millions of times.
I was hoping she would make 100.
Arts said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Cymek said:Nothing I do think its an attention thing though
Just because you don’t understand a person’s emotional life doesn’t mean it’s fake or put on…
Arts’ owns it, repeat after me: I do not understand my fellow humans and their feelings etc…
emotions are for the weak..
and for those who can afford them.
Spiny Norman said:
And it’s started already.
And another. :)
Spiny Norman said:
Spiny Norman said:
And it’s started already.
And another. :)
Tut, tut, Betoota for body shaming someone.
Arts said:
dv said:
diddly-squat said:I agree
In fact, I think it appropriate.
For mine, it doesn’t bother me how anyone else reacts. People have to hoe their respective rows.
what’s it with you males and hoes?
I can’t enjoy a platonic relationship with a gardening implement without being judged?
captain_spalding said:
Arts said:
dv said:For mine, it doesn’t bother me how anyone else reacts. People have to hoe their respective rows.
what’s it with you males and hoes?
I can’t enjoy a platonic relationship with a gardening implement without being judged?
I love my larry.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:True.
It was said millions of times.
I was hoping she would make 100.
We could’ve passed the hat around amongst the crowd for her.
ABC News:
‘Celebrities, world leaders post their photos with Queen Elizabeth II as they mourn her death at 96’
The one i liked best of her was when she photobombed two Australian hockey players at the Glasgow Commonwealth Games in 2014:
It’s like when Bill Murray pinched a chip out of a random person’s bucket of ‘french fries’ and said to them ‘no-one will ever believe you’.
A befitting 96 gun salute.
Let’s all finish with a rousing chorus of Rule Britannia, hey what but.
I haven’t spoken to Auntie Annie today. She’s a Pom. She is really into the last night at the Proms stuff and all that. I’ll stay away from her for a bit while she is maudlin. (She will be maudlin)
Uh Oh. There goes our June Public Holiday.
“The third and deciding Test match between England and South Africa has been suspended following the death of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II at the age of 96.”
Maybe if she had died at a different age?
Peak Warming Man said:
“The third and deciding Test match between England and South Africa has been suspended following the death of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II at the age of 96.”Maybe if she had died at a different age?
Cricketers, best of all people, understand the ‘nervous nineties’.
I did but see her passing.
because I’m sure she wouldn’t mind…
Managed to get a knighthood before she died for my contribution to the environment
Sir Cuthbert Braithwaite the third
Arts said:
because I’m sure she wouldn’t mind…
is that your new wallpaper?
The-Spectator said:
Managed to get a knighthood before she died for my contribution to the environmentSir Cuthbert Braithwaite the third
Sounds like the kind of title an American would but off e-Bay.
ChrispenEvan said:
Arts said:
because I’m sure she wouldn’t mind…
is that your new wallpaper?
it was for 15 seconds..
Odd picture, doesn’t really look much like either of them.
More like actors chosen for a vague resemblance.
It appears that some people in Ireland don’t find the news so glum.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/football/football-fans-celebrate-queens-death/news-story/eca36a8858b81612bc1f710913ff2cfa
sibeen said:
It appears that some people in Ireland don’t find the news so glum.https://www.foxsports.com.au/football/football-fans-celebrate-queens-death/news-story/eca36a8858b81612bc1f710913ff2cfa
Actually, it crossed my mind today that perhaps the reason we don’t really do royalty in my family was because of some Irish race memory from the original Gill couple who came here in the 1857. But then I thought – that’s a bit silly. Mary Ann was from Tralee, but George was from Somerset.
buffy said:
sibeen said:
It appears that some people in Ireland don’t find the news so glum.https://www.foxsports.com.au/football/football-fans-celebrate-queens-death/news-story/eca36a8858b81612bc1f710913ff2cfa
Actually, it crossed my mind today that perhaps the reason we don’t really do royalty in my family was because of some Irish race memory from the original Gill couple who came here in the 1857. But then I thought – that’s a bit silly. Mary Ann was from Tralee, but George was from Somerset.
My family came from Ireland, but really, who cares?
Americans can be annoying like that. They’ll talk about something, and qualify it by saying ‘…but i’m Irish’.
No. you’re f***ing not, you’re American. Just because your great-great-grandfather was born in Ireland, it does not make you Irish.
If ancestry determines nationality/culture, then we can all trace ourselves back to the Olduvai gorge and claim to be African.
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:
sibeen said:
It appears that some people in Ireland don’t find the news so glum.https://www.foxsports.com.au/football/football-fans-celebrate-queens-death/news-story/eca36a8858b81612bc1f710913ff2cfa
Actually, it crossed my mind today that perhaps the reason we don’t really do royalty in my family was because of some Irish race memory from the original Gill couple who came here in the 1857. But then I thought – that’s a bit silly. Mary Ann was from Tralee, but George was from Somerset.
My family came from Ireland, but really, who cares?
Americans can be annoying like that. They’ll talk about something, and qualify it by saying ‘…but i’m Irish’.
No. you’re f***ing not, you’re American. Just because your great-great-grandfather was born in Ireland, it does not make you Irish.
If ancestry determines nationality/culture, then we can all trace ourselves back to the Olduvai gorge and claim to be African.
As we all should.
I suppose transition might object though.
Queen Elizabeth II and the end of Britain’s imperial age
Queen Elizabeth II died Thursday afternoon at the age of 96. Her seven-decade reign, longer than that of any other monarch of her realm stretching back to before the days of the Norman conquest, can be seen as its own Elizabethan age. Through political upheaval and economic crises, family dramas and a revolving door of 15 prime ministers, the queen was serene and enduring. She rarely gave interviews or offered a public opinion, and put forward a regal presence defined by her reticence. Her stoic continuity was, in itself, a form of grace.
In a statement, President Biden described Elizabeth as “a stateswoman of unmatched dignity and constancy” who “defined an era,” adding that “her legacy will loom large in the pages of British history, and in the story of our world.”
The days to come will see a surfeit of commentary and analysis of the depth of that legacy. But one narrative is inescapable: Elizabeth ascended the throne 70 years ago as the head of a globe-spanning empire. But she died at a moment of contraction and uncertainty, with most of Britain’s colonies gone, its place in Europe a source of tension, and its global status diminished.
“If the reigns of the other great female monarchs of English and British history, Elizabeth I and Victoria, coincided with periods of national expansion, it fell to the second Elizabeth to be a mainstay of a nation coming to terms with a changed place in the world,” observed an editorial in the Financial Times.
Little of this was directly due to the queen herself: She was throughout a ceremonial figure, more often cresting the tides of history than moving them. But in her role, she seemed to embody a story of her nation. Elizabeth understood this herself. She famously said in 1947, on her 21st birthday during a visit to South Africa, “that my whole life, whether it be long or short, shall be devoted to your service, and the service of our great imperial family to which we all belong.”
No matter her decades of faithful service, the imperial family would rapidly shrink. A few months after that speech, Britain’s most important imperial possessions — India and the newly created Pakistan — finally shook off the colonial yoke and declared their independence. Nothing conveyed the grandeur of Britain’s world-striding empire better than Queen Victoria’s earlier assumption of the title of “Empress of India.” For more than a century, the pillaged wealth of the Asian subcontinent had turbocharged the British economy and undergirded Britain’s rise to global preeminence. Gems looted from India made their way into the crowns of British royals, including that of Elizabeth’s mother, a visceral reminder of a link that India finally sundered in 1950 when it officially became a republic.
Still, in 1952, when Elizabeth learned of her father’s death in a Kenyan hunting lodge, Britain possessed more than 70 overseas territories. Now it counts only 14 — mostly scattered, wind-swept islands, the geographically largest of which is the Falkland Islands, a South Atlantic archipelago inhabited by fewer than 3,000 people. Under her watch, not only did the empire contract, but the United Kingdom devolved power to constituent home nations Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. The febrile politics of Brexit have raised the prospect — albeit, still remote — of the latter two also breaking away.
As the heir apparent and then queen, Elizabeth was perhaps not privy to all the sordid details of the operations carried out to preserve her empire after the end of World War II and through the 1960s. Those included brutal counterinsurgencies in what’s now Malaysia, Yemen, Cyprus and Kenya — where tens of thousands of people were detained and tortured by colonial authorities as they tried to crack down on the anti-colonial Mau Mau movement. Those misdeeds have only belatedly led to a reckoning in Britain, with the government paying compensation to some victims of its colonial policies, while activists push for the removal of statues and the revision of school curriculums glorifying Britain’s empire.
Elizabeth cast herself as the happy steward of the Commonwealth, now a bloc of 56 independent countries that all, at some point, were ruled by the British crown. But its history was hardly benign. “The Commonwealth had its origins in a racist and paternalistic conception of British rule as a form of tutelage, educating colonies into the mature responsibilities of self-government,” noted Harvard University historian Maya Jasanoff. “Reconfigured in 1949 to accommodate newly independent Asian republics, the Commonwealth was the empire’s sequel and a vehicle for preserving Britain’s international influence.”
The Commonwealth’s present is more mundane. For all the global relevance it gave the queen and her scions, who embarked on periodic, media-soaked tours of their former holdings, it’s a grouping of limited stature and influence. In many instances, the Commonwealth’s member states don’t share political values or economic interests. Nor do the vast majority of them look to Britain for any particular guidance or leadership.
The most notable phenomenon of the last years of Elizabeth’s reign was a movement among Caribbean nations to remove her as the titular head of their states and press demands for reparations for the abuses and exploitation of the colonial era. Barbados led the way, officially becoming a republic last November. To its credit, the British monarchy acknowledged the occasion with poise and humility.
“From the darkest days of our past and the appalling atrocity of slavery, which forever stains our history, the people of this island forged their path with extraordinary fortitude,” said then-Prince Charles at a ceremony where he celebrated Barbadian independence. “Freedom, justice and self-determination have been your guides.”
It’s too early to tell what sort of role the new king may want to play. Jasanoff called for the British monarchy to do away with the “myths of imperial benevolence” that still suffuse its ceremonies and activities. “While we celebrate the mightiness of Elizabeth II’s allegiance to a life of service,” wrote journalist Tina Brown in her 2022 book, “The Palace Papers,” “we should also acknowledge that an antiquated version of monarchy must now pass into history.”
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The Rev Dodgson said:
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:Actually, it crossed my mind today that perhaps the reason we don’t really do royalty in my family was because of some Irish race memory from the original Gill couple who came here in the 1857. But then I thought – that’s a bit silly. Mary Ann was from Tralee, but George was from Somerset.
My family came from Ireland, but really, who cares?
Americans can be annoying like that. They’ll talk about something, and qualify it by saying ‘…but i’m Irish’.
No. you’re f***ing not, you’re American. Just because your great-great-grandfather was born in Ireland, it does not make you Irish.
If ancestry determines nationality/culture, then we can all trace ourselves back to the Olduvai gorge and claim to be African.
As we all should.
I suppose transition might object though.
why, using “we”?
ChrispenEvan said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
captain_spalding said:My family came from Ireland, but really, who cares?
Americans can be annoying like that. They’ll talk about something, and qualify it by saying ‘…but i’m Irish’.
No. you’re f***ing not, you’re American. Just because your great-great-grandfather was born in Ireland, it does not make you Irish.
If ancestry determines nationality/culture, then we can all trace ourselves back to the Olduvai gorge and claim to be African.
As we all should.
I suppose transition might object though.
why, using “we”?
He’s a bit of an anti-globalist.
my masters thesis contained a lot of stuff about the Scottish post diaspora and the persistence of Scottish identity. Although I do have some Irish connection i have never felt it. When I did something stupid as a kid dad would say that that was the Riley coming out in me…so I suppose there was a bit of Irish seen as negative stuff going on.
i don’t feel african at all. don’t send me back to the rift valley.
So what’s the latest from Buck P. I’ve been watching the footy.
Woodie said:
So what’s the latest from Buck P. I’ve been watching the footy.
She’s still dead
dv said:
Woodie said:
So what’s the latest from Buck P. I’ve been watching the footy.
She’s still dead
and starting to smell.
sarahs mum said:
my masters thesis contained a lot of stuff about the Scottish post diaspora and the persistence of Scottish identity. Although I do have some Irish connection i have never felt it. When I did something stupid as a kid dad would say that that was the Riley coming out in me…so I suppose there was a bit of Irish seen as negative stuff going on.i don’t feel african at all. don’t send me back to the rift valley.
I’ve got the lot…English/Irish/Scottish. To varying degrees over 5 generations or something. There is a straight line through from that first couple of Australian born, but they brought in some immigrant blood along the way. I can’t say I’ve ever felt any pull in any way to visit Britain. I belong here.
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:
Woodie said:
So what’s the latest from Buck P. I’ve been watching the footy.
She’s still dead
and starting to smell.
Probably not yet.
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:
Woodie said:
So what’s the latest from Buck P. I’ve been watching the footy.
She’s still dead
and starting to smell.
so the smelling salts should be resuscitatingly effective soon
The Rev Dodgson said:
ChrispenEvan said:
The Rev Dodgson said:As we all should.
I suppose transition might object though.
why, using “we”?
He’s a bit of an anti-globalist.
lame, but whatever
buffy said:
sarahs mum said:
my masters thesis contained a lot of stuff about the Scottish post diaspora and the persistence of Scottish identity. Although I do have some Irish connection i have never felt it. When I did something stupid as a kid dad would say that that was the Riley coming out in me…so I suppose there was a bit of Irish seen as negative stuff going on.i don’t feel african at all. don’t send me back to the rift valley.
I’ve got the lot…English/Irish/Scottish. To varying degrees over 5 generations or something. There is a straight line through from that first couple of Australian born, but they brought in some immigrant blood along the way. I can’t say I’ve ever felt any pull in any way to visit Britain. I belong here.
From my Gr grandparents I’m 3/4 Irish. 3/16 Scottish and 1/6 English. At family functions we ignore that last bit.
I don’t feel the remotest part British, or a member of a wider Imperial family.
My parents migrated here from The Netherlands shortly before I was born, but I don’t consider myself Dutch. We were one of those migrant families that assimilated into Australian culture, when that was still an expected and fashionable thing back in the 70s and early 80s. But we never picked up the Britishness side of things. Even at school in that era there was no flag and country type stuff. The only nationalistic thing we had to do at school was learn the new national anthem, because hardly anyone at the time knew the words. History lessons had a lot of Gallipoli type stuff which seemed to emphasis the incompetence of the British officer class, also picked up in popular culture by films like ANZAC and Gallipoli. It was a sort of pre-nationalistic/anti-British time to be alive.
sibeen said:
buffy said:
sarahs mum said:
my masters thesis contained a lot of stuff about the Scottish post diaspora and the persistence of Scottish identity. Although I do have some Irish connection i have never felt it. When I did something stupid as a kid dad would say that that was the Riley coming out in me…so I suppose there was a bit of Irish seen as negative stuff going on.i don’t feel african at all. don’t send me back to the rift valley.
I’ve got the lot…English/Irish/Scottish. To varying degrees over 5 generations or something. There is a straight line through from that first couple of Australian born, but they brought in some immigrant blood along the way. I can’t say I’ve ever felt any pull in any way to visit Britain. I belong here.
From my Gr grandparents I’m 3/4 Irish. 3/16 Scottish and 1/16 English. At family functions we ignore that last bit.
fixed up the English bit
sarahs mum said:
my masters thesis contained a lot of stuff about the Scottish post diaspora and the persistence of Scottish identity. Although I do have some Irish connection i have never felt it. When I did something stupid as a kid dad would say that that was the Riley coming out in me…so I suppose there was a bit of Irish seen as negative stuff going on.i don’t feel african at all. don’t send me back to the rift valley.
Much the same on the Irish/Scottish thing here, although growing up in SE England I saw myself as English anyway.
I’ve only really valued the Scottish connection in more recent years.
transition said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
ChrispenEvan said:why, using “we”?
He’s a bit of an anti-globalist.
lame, but whatever
What’s lame?
my surname goes back to anglo saxon times. Lincolnshire, so a lot of english from dad’s side. Plus some irish from dad’s side. norse, probably, on my mum’s side.
ChrispenEvan said:
my surname goes back to anglo saxon times. Lincolnshire, so a lot of english from dad’s side. Plus some irish from dad’s side. norse, probably, on my mum’s side.
and the norse would be from the normans.
sibeen said:
buffy said:
sarahs mum said:
my masters thesis contained a lot of stuff about the Scottish post diaspora and the persistence of Scottish identity. Although I do have some Irish connection i have never felt it. When I did something stupid as a kid dad would say that that was the Riley coming out in me…so I suppose there was a bit of Irish seen as negative stuff going on.i don’t feel african at all. don’t send me back to the rift valley.
I’ve got the lot…English/Irish/Scottish. To varying degrees over 5 generations or something. There is a straight line through from that first couple of Australian born, but they brought in some immigrant blood along the way. I can’t say I’ve ever felt any pull in any way to visit Britain. I belong here.
From my Gr grandparents I’m 3/4 Irish. 3/16 Scottish and 1/6 English. At family functions we ignore that last bit.
I have one English rellie. Birmingham. She came out to the Vic. goldfields as a governess. Her father and brother were both British Academy oil painters.
The Rev Dodgson said:
transition said:
The Rev Dodgson said:He’s a bit of an anti-globalist.
lame, but whatever
What’s lame?
LAME Ain’t an MP3 Encoder
Mostly English with some Scots and Irish on my mother’s side (which is why her second name was Duncan, originally part of a double barrelled-surname that was dropped and then given to her as a second Christian name, despite being a boy’s name). Also, Auntie Nell married an Irishman :)
All Ukrainian on Dad’s side.
I’m getting a bit peeved at the ‘she’s with her husband now’ posts. Like that defines her. Maybe it’s the gin talking but fuck that.
Arts said:
I’m getting a bit peeved at the ‘she’s with her husband now’ posts. Like that defines her. Maybe it’s the gin talking but fuck that.
And there’s talk of moving the Brownlow medal – WTF is that all about.
Arts said:
I’m getting a bit peeved at the ‘she’s with her husband now’ posts. Like that defines her. Maybe it’s the gin talking but fuck that.
I have not seen any of these sort of posts.
party_pants said:
Arts said:
I’m getting a bit peeved at the ‘she’s with her husband now’ posts. Like that defines her. Maybe it’s the gin talking but fuck that.
I have not seen any of these sort of posts.
Arts been reading the Daily Mail comments?
party_pants said:
Arts said:
I’m getting a bit peeved at the ‘she’s with her husband now’ posts. Like that defines her. Maybe it’s the gin talking but fuck that.
I have not seen any of these sort of posts.
Have you been drinking gin?
sibeen said:
Arts said:
I’m getting a bit peeved at the ‘she’s with her husband now’ posts. Like that defines her. Maybe it’s the gin talking but fuck that.
And there’s talk of moving the Brownlow medal – WTF is that all about.
Seems a bit of an overreaction to me. Life still goes on for the rest of us.
sibeen said:
party_pants said:
Arts said:
I’m getting a bit peeved at the ‘she’s with her husband now’ posts. Like that defines her. Maybe it’s the gin talking but fuck that.
I have not seen any of these sort of posts.
Have you been drinking gin?
No. Beer.
I traded in about 3 months worth of cans today, and got $35.60.
party_pants said:
sibeen said:
party_pants said:I have not seen any of these sort of posts.
Have you been drinking gin?
No. Beer.
I traded in about 3 months worth of cans today, and got $35.60.
Well, there’s a very good reason to drink even more.
party_pants said:
sibeen said:
party_pants said:I have not seen any of these sort of posts.
Have you been drinking gin?
No. Beer.
I traded in about 3 months worth of cans today, and got $35.60.
Yeah. You can’t get a decent gin for that.
As my sister noted, she seemed dwarfed by the furniture towards the end.
Bubblecar said:
As my sister noted, she seemed dwarfed by the furniture towards the end.
And even more dwarfed by Truss.
Bubblecar said:
And even more dwarfed by Truss.
Is anyone blaming Truss yet?
Arts said:
I’m getting a bit peeved at the ‘she’s with her husband now’ posts. Like that defines her. Maybe it’s the gin talking but fuck that.
I hate this idea.
sarahs mum said:
Arts said:
I’m getting a bit peeved at the ‘she’s with her husband now’ posts. Like that defines her. Maybe it’s the gin talking but fuck that.
I hate this idea.
Especially since they’re now “together” only in the sense that they’re both now decomposing corpses.
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
Arts said:
I’m getting a bit peeved at the ‘she’s with her husband now’ posts. Like that defines her. Maybe it’s the gin talking but fuck that.
I hate this idea.
Especially since they’re now “together” only in the sense that they’re both now decomposing corpses.
Didn’t either of them donate their organs?
Selfless my arse.
party_pants said:
Bubblecar said:
And even more dwarfed by Truss.
Is anyone blaming Truss yet?
Only gossip I’ve heard is that she was glad Bojo was out and wanted to live long enough to usher in the next one, so Charles wouldn’t have to do it.
sibeen said:
Didn’t either of them donate their organs?Selfless my arse.
Don’t know if Phil had one, but the Queen’s organ was a gift in celebration of her Diamond Jubilee, so I suppose she felt she couldn’t really give it away.
>The Queen’s organ was designed to replace the Johann Snetzler organ in the Henry VII Chapel (the Lady Chapel) at Westminster Abbey. The instrument is a gift from the Lord Mayor and the Corporation of London to Her Majesty, Queen Elizabeth II in celebration of her Diamond Jubilee.
sibeen said:
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:I hate this idea.
Especially since they’re now “together” only in the sense that they’re both now decomposing corpses.
Didn’t either of them donate their organs?
Selfless my arse.
I doubt they would be much cop. although I wouldn’t have minded phils sense of humour.
sarahs mum said:
She’s never met Woodie.
party_pants said:
Bubblecar said:
And even more dwarfed by Truss.
Is anyone blaming Truss yet?
https://tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/?main=https%3A//tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/posts/1930007/
dv said:
party_pants said:
Bubblecar said:
And even more dwarfed by Truss.
Is anyone blaming Truss yet?
https://tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/?main=https%3A//tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/posts/1930007/
Sometimes the worms turns full circle.
BTW the ABC has put together a pleasant package of mourning music, with some fine English music and a bit of Sculthorpe in there too:
Music for remembrance and reflection
https://www.abc.net.au/classic/programs/special-features/music-for-remembrance-and-reflection/13636850
Well I’m still taking the 26th off work.
Bubblecar said:
BTW the ABC has put together a pleasant package of mourning music, with some fine English music and a bit of Sculthorpe in there too:Music for remembrance and reflection
https://www.abc.net.au/classic/programs/special-features/music-for-remembrance-and-reflection/13636850
And also Elgar’s Cello Concerto but not the only version I like…
Neophyte said:
sarahs mum said:
She’s never met Woodie.
Once a queen, always a queen.
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
Arts said:
I’m getting a bit peeved at the ‘she’s with her husband now’ posts. Like that defines her. Maybe it’s the gin talking but fuck that.
I hate this idea.
Especially since they’re now “together” only in the sense that they’re both now decomposing corpses.
And they’ll be in separate coffins, anyway.
Woodie said:
Neophyte said:
sarahs mum said:
She’s never met Woodie.
Once a queen, always a queen.
But twice a knight, and you’re doing alright.
Bunny_Fugger said:
Woodie said:
Neophyte said:She’s never met Woodie.
Once a queen, always a queen.
But twice a knight, and you’re doing alright.
LOL
william is now Prince of Wales.
I see that Chuck has stated that he’s going to keep the new job for awhile.
sibeen said:
I see that Chuck has stated that he’s going to keep the new job for awhile.
No wonder why I wasn’t OK the day before yesterday. I was empathising with the QEII.
I wish they wouldn’t run the story on five TV channels in parallel, for hours and hours and hours.
You’d think there wasn’t any other news.
mollwollfumble said:
No wonder why I wasn’t OK the day before yesterday. I was empathising with the QEII.I wish they wouldn’t run the story on five TV channels in parallel, for hours and hours and hours.
You’d think there wasn’t any other news.
Royalty is always front page news.
You can always do something else than look at news.
mollwollfumble said:
No wonder why I wasn’t OK the day before yesterday. I was empathising with the QEII.I wish they wouldn’t run the story on five TV channels in parallel, for hours and hours and hours.
You’d think there wasn’t any other news.
I’ve told my family and friends not to accept an offer of a state funeral.
I want to go out like the common people do, like you people here.
Tamb said:
mollwollfumble said:
No wonder why I wasn’t OK the day before yesterday. I was empathising with the QEII.I wish they wouldn’t run the story on five TV channels in parallel, for hours and hours and hours.
You’d think there wasn’t any other news.
I wonder if there will be a “bells & whistles” coronation.
Oh, yeah, Brits love that stuff.
Americans love it even more, although they’re not allowed to say so. The do so long for a proper aristocracy, evidenced in little things like calling their kids things like ‘Joseph P. Fraznitz III’ and so forth.
The Brits will happily double the national debt and starve pensioners (who will all say ‘god’ bless you, squire’ as they expire) for the sake of a pukka spectacle.
captain_spalding said:
Tamb said:
mollwollfumble said:
No wonder why I wasn’t OK the day before yesterday. I was empathising with the QEII.I wish they wouldn’t run the story on five TV channels in parallel, for hours and hours and hours.
You’d think there wasn’t any other news.
I wonder if there will be a “bells & whistles” coronation.Oh, yeah, Brits love that stuff.
Americans love it even more, although they’re not allowed to say so. The do so long for a proper aristocracy, evidenced in little things like calling their kids things like ‘Joseph P. Fraznitz III’ and so forth.
The Brits will happily double the national debt and starve pensioners (who will all say ‘god’ bless you, squire’ as they expire) for the sake of a pukka spectacle.
Peak Warming Man said:
I’ve told my family and friends not to accept an offer of a state funeral.
I want to go out like the common people do, like you people here.
Who you callin’ common?
Maybe moll and me need to start a new TV network.
The DGAS (Don’t Give A Shit) network. Whatever the other networks are currently obsessed with (football matches/finals, car races, Royal funerals/weddings/coronations, Olympics, stuff like that), our network just ignores it, no mention at all, providing people with an escape route.
roughbarked said:
Peak Warming Man said:
I’ve told my family and friends not to accept an offer of a state funeral.
I want to go out like the common people do, like you people here.
Who you callin’ common?
Would you rather be called ‘garden’?
roughbarked said:
Peak Warming Man said:
I’ve told my family and friends not to accept an offer of a state funeral.
I want to go out like the common people do, like you people here.
Who you callin’ common?
Daddy’s gonna buy you
A dream to cling to
Mama’s gonna love you
Just as much as she can
And she can
captain_spalding said:
Maybe moll and me need to start a new TV network.The DGAS (Don’t Give A Shit) network. Whatever the other networks are currently obsessed with (football matches/finals, car races, Royal funerals/weddings/coronations, Olympics, stuff like that), our network just ignores it, no mention at all, providing people with an escape route.
captain_spalding said:
Maybe moll and me need to start a new TV network.The DGAS (Don’t Give A Shit) network. Whatever the other networks are currently obsessed with (football matches/finals, car races, Royal funerals/weddings/coronations, Olympics, stuff like that), our network just ignores it, no mention at all, providing people with an escape route.
or you can watch the same SBS world movie over and over.
Tamb said:
captain_spalding said:
Maybe moll and me need to start a new TV network.The DGAS (Don’t Give A Shit) network. Whatever the other networks are currently obsessed with (football matches/finals, car races, Royal funerals/weddings/coronations, Olympics, stuff like that), our network just ignores it, no mention at all, providing people with an escape route.
To where?
Not so much ‘to’ as ‘from’.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
Peak Warming Man said:
I’ve told my family and friends not to accept an offer of a state funeral.
I want to go out like the common people do, like you people here.
Who you callin’ common?
Would you rather be called ‘garden’?
:) Everyone who knows me does.. um no. There’s one (an eye to eye person), he calls me brows. Peobably because they can give me away.
Arts said:
roughbarked said:
Peak Warming Man said:
I’ve told my family and friends not to accept an offer of a state funeral.
I want to go out like the common people do, like you people here.
Who you callin’ common?
Daddy’s gonna buy you
A dream to cling to
Mama’s gonna love you
Just as much as she can
And she can
:)
Tamb said:
captain_spalding said:
Maybe moll and me need to start a new TV network.The DGAS (Don’t Give A Shit) network. Whatever the other networks are currently obsessed with (football matches/finals, car races, Royal funerals/weddings/coronations, Olympics, stuff like that), our network just ignores it, no mention at all, providing people with an escape route.
To where?
Blissful ignorance.
Woodie said:
Tamb said:
captain_spalding said:
Maybe moll and me need to start a new TV network.The DGAS (Don’t Give A Shit) network. Whatever the other networks are currently obsessed with (football matches/finals, car races, Royal funerals/weddings/coronations, Olympics, stuff like that), our network just ignores it, no mention at all, providing people with an escape route.
To where?Blissful ignorance.
I dunno. We could run some programmes by people like Phillip Adams or Norman Swan or something.
captain_spalding said:
Woodie said:
Tamb said:To where?
Blissful ignorance.
I dunno. We could run some programmes by people like Phillip Adams or Norman Swan or something.
captain_spalding said:
Woodie said:
Tamb said:To where?
Blissful ignorance.
I dunno. We could run some programmes by people like Phillip Adams or Norman Swan or something.
Wah……. over and over and over and over again?
Look, i’m the creative genius here, the ideas man, concepts, innovations, big picture, all that.
I leave it to the tech people to get the nuts and bolts stuff sorted out.
Just do your best, darling.
https://theconversation.com/why-do-we-mourn-people-we-dont-know-190331
King Chuck didn’t stutter once during his speech.
ChrispenEvan said:
https://theconversation.com/why-do-we-mourn-people-we-dont-know-190331
I am not in mourning. I am not emotionally attached to the monarchy, it does not form any part of my identity.
captain_spalding said:
ROFL
party_pants said:
ChrispenEvan said:
https://theconversation.com/why-do-we-mourn-people-we-dont-know-190331I am not in mourning. I am not emotionally attached to the monarchy, it does not form any part of my identity.
They’re just journalists mate, they’re not important.
party_pants said:
ChrispenEvan said:
https://theconversation.com/why-do-we-mourn-people-we-dont-know-190331I am not in mourning. I am not emotionally attached to the monarchy, it does not form any part of my identity.
so the article doesn’t apply to you.
“The Australian engineer who believes he is the lovechild of King Charles III and Queen consort Camilla has broken his silence over the death of his ‘grandmother’.”
Shakes fist at engineers.
party_pants said:
ChrispenEvan said:
https://theconversation.com/why-do-we-mourn-people-we-dont-know-190331I am not in mourning. I am not emotionally attached to the monarchy, it does not form any part of my identity.
sounds unfriendly toward hereditarianism and its lesser perhaps subordinate forms, but consider all the mums and dads through history that had any concerns about who their offspring might breed with, no respect from you regard that, master party pants
my sympathies go out to all the enlightened ladies today that believe large part the worlds troubles are caused by patriarchal oppression, that a queen has departed must be cause for psychological conflict
humor alert
sarahs mum said:
Heh
sarahs mum said:
‘What are you rebelling against?’
‘What does one have?’
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:
‘What does one have?’
A BSA?
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:
‘What does one have?’
A BSA?
doesn’t have a helmet.
sarahs mum said:
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:‘What does one have?’
A BSA?
doesn’t have a helmet.
That’s what she doesn’t have.
sarahs mum said:
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:‘What does one have?’
A BSA?
doesn’t have a helmet.
‘Screw helmets. The goddamn Luftwaffe dropped a bomb on one’s house, you think one needs a helmet?’
The Queen acknowledged that “city dwellers” considered the land “a harsh country with no redeeming features”.
“To the romantic, it is the last frontier, the outpost of civilisation, the land of pioneers to be pitied as well as admired,” she said.
But she saw Australia’s interior as “a land of promise”.
> More for the crown jewels set.
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:
roughbarked said:A BSA?
doesn’t have a helmet.
‘Screw helmets. The goddamn Luftwaffe dropped a bomb on one’s house, you think one needs a helmet?’
;)
Helmets only bounced the grazing shots which would have missed had the helmet not been there.
sarahs mum said:
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:‘What does one have?’
A BSA?
doesn’t have a helmet.
Isn’t it mcqueen?
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
roughbarked said:A BSA?
doesn’t have a helmet.
Isn’t it mcqueen?
She’s just lining up for that barbed wire fence…
helmets were more for overhead shrapnel than to stop bullets as in the ww1 trench warfare there was a lot of this.
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:doesn’t have a helmet.
‘Screw helmets. The goddamn Luftwaffe dropped a bomb on one’s house, you think one needs a helmet?’
;)
Helmets only bounced the grazing shots which would have missed had the helmet not been there.
Helmets were brought in during WW1, because explosions of artillery shells threw large amounts of soil and rocks into the air, and a lot of soldiers were injured by falling rocks and clods of earth.
Before that, soldiers fought in cloth caps, often those ones with peaks on the front. Some senior officers opposed the issue of helmets a ‘potentially damaging to morale’, but medical officers noted a distinct and large decline in the number of head injuries afterwards.
The broad-brimmed British helmet reflected earlier helmets used by English soldiers, because it served the same purpose: to provide the wearer with some degree of protection from objects (rocks, arrows, whatever) falling from above.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:‘Screw helmets. The goddamn Luftwaffe dropped a bomb on one’s house, you think one needs a helmet?’
;)
Helmets only bounced the grazing shots which would have missed had the helmet not been there.
Helmets were brought in during WW1, because explosions of artillery shells threw large amounts of soil and rocks into the air, and a lot of soldiers were injured by falling rocks and clods of earth.
Before that, soldiers fought in cloth caps, often those ones with peaks on the front. Some senior officers opposed the issue of helmets a ‘potentially damaging to morale’, but medical officers noted a distinct and large decline in the number of head injuries afterwards.
The broad-brimmed British helmet reflected earlier helmets used by English soldiers, because it served the same purpose: to provide the wearer with some degree of protection from objects (rocks, arrows, whatever) falling from above.
I see.
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:The broad-brimmed British helmet reflected earlier helmets used by English soldiers, because it served the same purpose: to provide the wearer with some degree of protection from objects (rocks, arrows, whatever) falling from above.
I see.
One of the tests for NATO rifle ammunition was that it had to be able to penetrate a standard steel helmet from X number of yards/metres away.
When i was very much younger, we were issued with steel helmets, and one young bloke asked ‘will this thing stop bullets, Chief?’
‘Son’, the Chief answered, ‘ it won’t even slow ‘em down.’
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:The broad-brimmed British helmet reflected earlier helmets used by English soldiers, because it served the same purpose: to provide the wearer with some degree of protection from objects (rocks, arrows, whatever) falling from above.
I see.
One of the tests for NATO rifle ammunition was that it had to be able to penetrate a standard steel helmet from X number of yards/metres away.
When i was very much younger, we were issued with steel helmets, and one young bloke asked ‘will this thing stop bullets, Chief?’
‘Son’, the Chief answered, ‘ it won’t even slow ‘em down.’
This conversation has made me think about a series of work by Ray Arnold. It was about homemade body armour/ bullet proof vest things in WW1…some of which made injuries worse…
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:‘Screw helmets. The goddamn Luftwaffe dropped a bomb on one’s house, you think one needs a helmet?’
;)
Helmets only bounced the grazing shots which would have missed had the helmet not been there.
Helmets were brought in during WW1, because explosions of artillery shells threw large amounts of soil and rocks into the air, and a lot of soldiers were injured by falling rocks and clods of earth.
Before that, soldiers fought in cloth caps, often those ones with peaks on the front. Some senior officers opposed the issue of helmets a ‘potentially damaging to morale’, but medical officers noted a distinct and large decline in the number of head injuries afterwards.
The broad-brimmed British helmet reflected earlier helmets used by English soldiers, because it served the same purpose: to provide the wearer with some degree of protection from objects (rocks, arrows, whatever) falling from above.
Weren’t they made out of the inside of an orange peel?
Ex-military mate was due to attend a party last night with his army buddies, and the planned evening of excess ended up being just two drinks – a toast to the Queen, and another for the king.
Dark Orange said:
Ex-military mate was due to attend a party last night with his army buddies, and the planned evening of excess ended up being just two drinks – a toast to the Queen, and another for the king.
That Sibeen fellow should pay close attention.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:The broad-brimmed British helmet reflected earlier helmets used by English soldiers, because it served the same purpose: to provide the wearer with some degree of protection from objects (rocks, arrows, whatever) falling from above.
I see.
One of the tests for NATO rifle ammunition was that it had to be able to penetrate a standard steel helmet from X number of yards/metres away.
When i was very much younger, we were issued with steel helmets, and one young bloke asked ‘will this thing stop bullets, Chief?’
‘Son’, the Chief answered, ‘ it won’t even slow ‘em down.’
This.
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ChrispenEvan said:
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oh did they resuscitate
SCIENCE said:
ChrispenEvan said:
bump
oh did they resuscitate
Zombie Queen.
With all this mass Queen coverage, have they told us her actual cause of death yet? Apart from being very old.
Bubblecar said:
With all this mass Queen coverage, have they told us her actual cause of death yet? Apart from being very old.
erotic asphyxia
dv said:
Bubblecar said:
With all this mass Queen coverage, have they told us her actual cause of death yet? Apart from being very old.
erotic asphyxia
That’s a red card.
dv said:
Bubblecar said:
With all this mass Queen coverage, have they told us her actual cause of death yet? Apart from being very old.
erotic asphyxia
Living her best life.
The boss lady says that yesterday she experienced 3 minutes of shock, 1 minute of sadness, and the rest of the day cringing thinking about King Charles and Queen Camilla.
dv said:
The boss lady says that yesterday she experienced 3 minutes of shock, 1 minute of sadness, and the rest of the day cringing thinking about King Charles and Queen Camilla.
aghast!
dv said:
The boss lady says that yesterday she experienced 3 minutes of shock, 1 minute of sadness, and the rest of the day cringing thinking about King Charles and Queen Camilla.
I wonder what they will do now with Prince Andrew ?
Tau.Neutrino said:
dv said:
The boss lady says that yesterday she experienced 3 minutes of shock, 1 minute of sadness, and the rest of the day cringing thinking about King Charles and Queen Camilla.
I wonder what they will do now with Prince Andrew ?
Charles will lock him in a dungeon…
Arts said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
dv said:
The boss lady says that yesterday she experienced 3 minutes of shock, 1 minute of sadness, and the rest of the day cringing thinking about King Charles and Queen Camilla.
I wonder what they will do now with Prince Andrew ?
Charles will lock him in a dungeon…
Now that is one good suggestion.
Tau.Neutrino said:
dv said:
The boss lady says that yesterday she experienced 3 minutes of shock, 1 minute of sadness, and the rest of the day cringing thinking about King Charles and Queen Camilla.
I wonder what they will do now with Prince Andrew ?
he’s staying in california.
Arts said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
dv said:
The boss lady says that yesterday she experienced 3 minutes of shock, 1 minute of sadness, and the rest of the day cringing thinking about King Charles and Queen Camilla.
I wonder what they will do now with Prince Andrew ?
Charles will lock him in a dungeon…
Are we certain that he wouldn’t enjoy that?
sarahs mum said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
dv said:
The boss lady says that yesterday she experienced 3 minutes of shock, 1 minute of sadness, and the rest of the day cringing thinking about King Charles and Queen Camilla.
I wonder what they will do now with Prince Andrew ?
he’s staying in california.
but Archie and Lilibet become Prince archie and princess Lilibet.
dv said:
The boss lady says that yesterday she experienced 3 minutes of shock, 1 minute of sadness, and the rest of the day cringing thinking about King Charles and Queen Camilla.
I feel for Charlie, but a new head of state bidding adieu to the last as “my darling Mama” is maybe not a good look for a 21st century Western nation.
Tau.Neutrino said:
dv said:
The boss lady says that yesterday she experienced 3 minutes of shock, 1 minute of sadness, and the rest of the day cringing thinking about King Charles and Queen Camilla.
I wonder what they will do now with Prince Andrew ?
Extradite him
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
The boss lady says that yesterday she experienced 3 minutes of shock, 1 minute of sadness, and the rest of the day cringing thinking about King Charles and Queen Camilla.
I feel for Charlie, but a new head of state bidding adieu to the last as “my darling Mama” is maybe not a good look for a 21st century Western nation.
There was a reason Lizzie never gave him the crown earlier.
dv said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
dv said:
The boss lady says that yesterday she experienced 3 minutes of shock, 1 minute of sadness, and the rest of the day cringing thinking about King Charles and Queen Camilla.
I wonder what they will do now with Prince Andrew ?
Extradite him
Off with his head.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
The boss lady says that yesterday she experienced 3 minutes of shock, 1 minute of sadness, and the rest of the day cringing thinking about King Charles and Queen Camilla.
I feel for Charlie, but a new head of state bidding adieu to the last as “my darling Mama” is maybe not a good look for a 21st century Western nation.
Shrug
Why not?
sarahs mum said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
dv said:
The boss lady says that yesterday she experienced 3 minutes of shock, 1 minute of sadness, and the rest of the day cringing thinking about King Charles and Queen Camilla.
I wonder what they will do now with Prince Andrew ?
he’s staying in california.
I don’t think so… I think he’s living at the Royal Lodge and Windsor, and is likely to be arrested when he next sets foot in the USA.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
The boss lady says that yesterday she experienced 3 minutes of shock, 1 minute of sadness, and the rest of the day cringing thinking about King Charles and Queen Camilla.
I feel for Charlie, but a new head of state bidding adieu to the last as “my darling Mama” is maybe not a good look for a 21st century Western nation.
Shrug
Why not?
Because quite some time ago, the more advanced Western nations decided that these matters should be determined democratically.
dv said:
Most of the ladies at work expressed disgust at Camilla in some form.
The boss lady says that yesterday she experienced 3 minutes of shock, 1 minute of sadness, and the rest of the day cringing thinking about King Charles and Queen Camilla.
I can’t understand why she is soooo hated.
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
Tau.Neutrino said:I wonder what they will do now with Prince Andrew ?
he’s staying in california.
I don’t think so… I think he’s living at the Royal Lodge and Windsor, and is likely to be arrested when he next sets foot in the USA.
oh sorry. I was thinking about HarrY.
party_pants said:
dv said:Most of the ladies at work expressed disgust at Camilla in some form.
The boss lady says that yesterday she experienced 3 minutes of shock, 1 minute of sadness, and the rest of the day cringing thinking about King Charles and Queen Camilla.
I can’t understand why she is soooo hated.
she usurped lady di, the common peoples idol.
Bubblecar said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bubblecar said:I feel for Charlie, but a new head of state bidding adieu to the last as “my darling Mama” is maybe not a good look for a 21st century Western nation.
Shrug
Why not?
Because quite some time ago, the more advanced Western nations decided that these matters should be determined democratically.
Plenty of “Western” nations with a token hereditary head of state.
Not that I think it’s a good idea myself.
ChrispenEvan said:
party_pants said:
dv said:Most of the ladies at work expressed disgust at Camilla in some form.
The boss lady says that yesterday she experienced 3 minutes of shock, 1 minute of sadness, and the rest of the day cringing thinking about King Charles and Queen Camilla.
I can’t understand why she is soooo hated.
she usurped lady di, the common peoples idol.
She was his lover before he ever met Diana. It is the “public expectation” that wouldn’t allow him to marry her that forced the marriage to someone like Diana in the first place. She would have been divorced and all that stuff. I guess back in the 1980s that was still a big deal.
party_pants said:
dv said:Most of the ladies at work expressed disgust at Camilla in some form.
The boss lady says that yesterday she experienced 3 minutes of shock, 1 minute of sadness, and the rest of the day cringing thinking about King Charles and Queen Camilla.
I can’t understand why she is soooo hated.
why was Diana so loved
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bubblecar said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Shrug
Why not?
Because quite some time ago, the more advanced Western nations decided that these matters should be determined democratically.
Plenty of “Western” nations with a token hereditary head of state.
Not that I think it’s a good idea myself.
True, they’re not alone in regard to such primitive anachronisms. But it’s the British who make the most embarrassing spectacle of it all.
ChrispenEvan said:
party_pants said:
dv said:Most of the ladies at work expressed disgust at Camilla in some form.
The boss lady says that yesterday she experienced 3 minutes of shock, 1 minute of sadness, and the rest of the day cringing thinking about King Charles and Queen Camilla.
I can’t understand why she is soooo hated.
she usurped lady di, the common peoples idol.
whydol though
SCIENCE said:
ChrispenEvan said:
party_pants said:Most of the ladies at work expressed disgust at Camilla in some form.I can’t understand why she is soooo hated.
she usurped lady di, the common peoples idol.
whydol though
“Di was pretty, Camilla is plain” probably sums it up.
SCIENCE said:
party_pants said:
dv said:Most of the ladies at work expressed disgust at Camilla in some form.
The boss lady says that yesterday she experienced 3 minutes of shock, 1 minute of sadness, and the rest of the day cringing thinking about King Charles and Queen Camilla.
I can’t understand why she is soooo hated.
why was Diana so loved
the fairy princess.
SCIENCE said:
party_pants said:
dv said:Most of the ladies at work expressed disgust at Camilla in some form.
The boss lady says that yesterday she experienced 3 minutes of shock, 1 minute of sadness, and the rest of the day cringing thinking about King Charles and Queen Camilla.
I can’t understand why she is soooo hated.
why was Diana so loved
Because despite the media and the royal family, she was a commoner who faced them all.
She was very proactive about real issues too.
Diana did not princess like a princess was expected to.. she was rogue, she parented her own children, she visited places without her husband and she sat near and chatted to someone with AIDS… in a family full of tradition, she was trailblazer… but the real big issue was… she was going to be queen… and not following the rules was not queen like behaviour… and that pissed the royal traditionalists off but it played well to everyone else..
Arts said:
Diana did not princess like a princess was expected to.. she was rogue, she parented her own children, she visited places without her husband and she sat near and chatted to someone with AIDS… in a family full of tradition, she was trailblazer… but the real big issue was… she was going to be queen… and not following the rules was not queen like behaviour… and that pissed the royal traditionalists off but it played well to everyone else..
In a nutshell.
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
party_pants said:Most of the ladies at work expressed disgust at Camilla in some form.I can’t understand why she is soooo hated.
why was Diana so loved
Because despite the media and the royal family, she was a commoner who faced them all.
She was very proactive about real issues too.
camilla was probably more common than di.
also every prince of wales has had a mistress or two. like it came with the job. but in our society that was not viewed well.
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
party_pants said:Most of the ladies at work expressed disgust at Camilla in some form.I can’t understand why she is soooo hated.
why was Diana so loved
Because despite the media and the royal family, she was a commoner who faced them all.
She was very proactive about real issues too.
She was not a commoner. She was “Lady Di” before she married Charles. Her father was an Earl.
ChrispenEvan said:
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:why was Diana so loved
Because despite the media and the royal family, she was a commoner who faced them all.
She was very proactive about real issues too.
camilla was probably more common than di.
Didn’t have much to offer and has even less now.
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:why was Diana so loved
Because despite the media and the royal family, she was a commoner who faced them all.
She was very proactive about real issues too.
She was not a commoner. She was “Lady Di” before she married Charles. Her father was an Earl.
and she was virginal.
sarahs mum said:
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:Because despite the media and the royal family, she was a commoner who faced them all.
She was very proactive about real issues too.
She was not a commoner. She was “Lady Di” before she married Charles. Her father was an Earl.
and she was virginal.
She had that rapport with the commoners though.
Bubblecar said:
SCIENCE said:
ChrispenEvan said:she usurped lady di, the common peoples idol.
whydol though
“Di was pretty, Camilla is plain” probably sums it up.
That was probably part of it, but she also appeared to be more relatable than some of the aristocracy, and perhaps more compassionate.
https://www.tatler.com/article/princess-diana-hiv-aids-awareness
We can only wait and see whether Camilla can live up to the standards Di set. Charles is at least a little environmentally conscious.
ChrispenEvan said:
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:why was Diana so loved
Because despite the media and the royal family, she was a commoner who faced them all.
She was very proactive about real issues too.
camilla was probably more common than di.
Her most immediate royal ancestry was probably Alice Keppel, who for decades was King Edward VII’s mistress.
roughbarked said:
We can only wait and see whether Camilla can live up to the standards Di set. Charles is at least a little environmentally conscious.
do you even know what camilla does? and why does she have to live up to anyone’s standards?
ChrispenEvan said:
roughbarked said:
We can only wait and see whether Camilla can live up to the standards Di set. Charles is at least a little environmentally conscious.
do you even know what camilla does? and why does she have to live up to anyone’s standards?
I do want to see what she does.
I haven’t seen anything that has caught my eye as of yet.
ChrispenEvan said:
roughbarked said:
We can only wait and see whether Camilla can live up to the standards Di set. Charles is at least a little environmentally conscious.
do you even know what camilla does? and why does she have to live up to anyone’s standards?
I’d assume at her age that she’s on the pension and being kept alive by the NHS.
Wattle Queen or the Wattle Painting is the official Australian portrait of Elizabeth II, Queen of Australia. Painted in 1954 by Sir William Dargie, it became one of the most recognisable and best-known examples of 20th century Australian portraiture.
Background
In December 1954, William Dargie was commissioned by Melbourne industrialist James P. Beveridge to paint Australia’s official portrait of Queen Elizabeth II, who posed for him at Buckingham Palace. There were five sittings at Buckingham Palace in 1954, with Dargie staying with Sir Neil and Lady Hamilton Fairley near Grosvenor Square for two months.
Dargie painted the Queen in oil on canvas using a glowing green-gold colour scheme, enlivened by white flashes of her jewellery.
In an interview, Dargie remembered painting at Buckingham Palace: “Four sittings which turned out to be seven – of two hours each. I was absolutely terrified at first. But she is a marvellous woman and we got quite chatty… but of course, I can’t tell you what we talked about”.
Description
The Queen is depicted wearing her wattle gown by Norman Hartnell, which she had worn on her first evening engagement during the 1954 Royal tour in Sydney. Dargie said, “I was never more impressed than when I saw wearing her wattle gown. It was regal and it was Australian. And that was the gown I wanted to paint her in … I knew I had to have that wattle gown”. She is also wearing a sprig of wattle on her shoulder.
In the portrait, the Queen is wearing the Girls of Great Britain and Ireland Tiara, which was given to her by Queen Mary and a diamond necklace gifted by the Nizam of Hyderabad.
The Queen is shown seated against a greenish background with her hands folded simply in her lap.
Reception
The portrait on an Australian Naturalisation Certificate
The portrait was officially presented to the Australian Commonwealth in 1955 by Mrs Beveridge at Parliament House on 21 April, the Queen’s birthday, and was received by Prime Minister Robert Menzies through the Governor-General William Slim. The portrait was received well by Australians and the Australian Government, and became the Queen’s official Australian portrait. Owned by the Historical Memorials Committee, it remains on long-term loan for permanent display at Parliament House in Canberra. It became known as the “Wattle Painting”, and has been described as “one of the most recognisable and treasured examples of 20th century Australian portraiture”. Within a short time of its completion, the painting took on the status of an official portrait.
Colour prints of the painting were made available and began to appear in Federal, State and Local Government Departments, and many schools, hospitals, libraries and church halls throughout Australia. Under the terms of the 1954 Australian Citizenship Convention, a print of the work was generally present in local town halls where many naturalisation ceremonies took place.
The portrait became affectionately known as “Wattle Queen”, and the Queen herself referred it as a “nice friendly portrait”.
On 8 April 1994, a 45 cent stamp of the Queen was issued by Australia Post to commemorate the Queen’s birthday, which featured Dargie’s wattle painting.
Replicas
By December 1954, Dargie became increasingly concerned that the portrait may be damaged or lost in transit back to Australia. So, he painted a replica of the painting. This replica was painted upside down in his room in the Fairley residence in London. This painting is now in the collection of the National Museum of Australia.
The Queen, who was said to be “delighted” with the result of the Wattle Painting, asked Dargie to paint a third replica for her personal collection. The painting remains one of only a few paintings of herself which the Queen has kept.
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this was the portrait that seemed to be in many of the classrooms In my childhood.
the reason for wattle being a weed species in France. Josephine was also wattley.
<<napoleon &="" josephine<br=""> Malmaison: Josephine’s Garden</napoleon>
In 1799, while Napoleon was away on campaign in Egypt, Josephine purchased the estate of Malmaison with borrowed funds. Though she later became mistress of Versailles, Tuileries, Fountainebleau and Saint-Cloud, Malmaison was her primary home. She modelled the gardens in English style with winding paths, bridges, temples and cottages, and hired as head gardener Scotsman Alexander Howatson (replaced in 1805 by Felix Delahaye). Napoleon did not share her taste, preferring to walk in his own private garden at Malmaison.
Josephine collected plants competitively, vying with the Museum of Natural History for specimens. She gathered plants for her garden from the botanists who accompanied Napoleon on his campaigns as well as from other voyagers: Nicolas Baudin (who explored the Pacific and Australia), and Alexander von Humboldt and Aimé Bonpland (both of whom explored South America). She even shared expenses with the English firm Lee & Kennedy of Hammersmith for the collection and transport of South African plants.
During the Napoleonic Wars, ships carrying specimens for Josephine were allowed free passage. Between 1803 and 1814 hundreds of species of plants were introduced to Europe. Josephine pioneered the planting of acacia, melaleuca and eucalyptus throughout France and propagated many species of Australian plants.
Josephine’s garden at Malmaison included many species of animals collected from Baudin’s voyages, including kangaroos, emus and black swans. The first kangaroo arrived in 1804, only one of three on board Le Géographe to survive. Others were donated to Josephine over time, but they did not respond well to the European climate and at the time of Josephine’s death at Malmaison in 1814, only one remained alive. The black swans, however, not only survived but thrived, roaming the gardens freely.
Exiled to the island of Saint Helena, Napoleon introduced two new specimens to remind him of Josephine and Malmaison: the Sydney Golden Wattle (Acacia longifolia) and the Australian Golden Everlasting (Bracteantha bracteata). Both species survive on the island today.
https://www.ngv.vic.gov.au/napoleon/napoleon-and-josephine/malmaison-josephines-garden.html
sarahs mum said:
the reason for wattle being a weed species in France. Josephine was also wattley.<<napoleon &="" josephine<br=""> Malmaison: Josephine’s Garden</napoleon>
In 1799, while Napoleon was away on campaign in Egypt, Josephine purchased the estate of Malmaison with borrowed funds. Though she later became mistress of Versailles, Tuileries, Fountainebleau and Saint-Cloud, Malmaison was her primary home. She modelled the gardens in English style with winding paths, bridges, temples and cottages, and hired as head gardener Scotsman Alexander Howatson (replaced in 1805 by Felix Delahaye). Napoleon did not share her taste, preferring to walk in his own private garden at Malmaison.
Josephine collected plants competitively, vying with the Museum of Natural History for specimens. She gathered plants for her garden from the botanists who accompanied Napoleon on his campaigns as well as from other voyagers: Nicolas Baudin (who explored the Pacific and Australia), and Alexander von Humboldt and Aimé Bonpland (both of whom explored South America). She even shared expenses with the English firm Lee & Kennedy of Hammersmith for the collection and transport of South African plants.
During the Napoleonic Wars, ships carrying specimens for Josephine were allowed free passage. Between 1803 and 1814 hundreds of species of plants were introduced to Europe. Josephine pioneered the planting of acacia, melaleuca and eucalyptus throughout France and propagated many species of Australian plants.
Josephine’s garden at Malmaison included many species of animals collected from Baudin’s voyages, including kangaroos, emus and black swans. The first kangaroo arrived in 1804, only one of three on board Le Géographe to survive. Others were donated to Josephine over time, but they did not respond well to the European climate and at the time of Josephine’s death at Malmaison in 1814, only one remained alive. The black swans, however, not only survived but thrived, roaming the gardens freely.
Exiled to the island of Saint Helena, Napoleon introduced two new specimens to remind him of Josephine and Malmaison: the Sydney Golden Wattle (Acacia longifolia) and the Australian Golden Everlasting (Bracteantha bracteata). Both species survive on the island today.
https://www.ngv.vic.gov.au/napoleon/napoleon-and-josephine/malmaison-josephines-garden.html
Interesting.
It never occurred to me that Napoleon and early European settlement in Australia were happening at about the same time.
The Rev Dodgson said:
sarahs mum said:
the reason for wattle being a weed species in France. Josephine was also wattley.<<napoleon &="" josephine<br=""> Malmaison: Josephine’s Garden</napoleon>
In 1799, while Napoleon was away on campaign in Egypt, Josephine purchased the estate of Malmaison with borrowed funds. Though she later became mistress of Versailles, Tuileries, Fountainebleau and Saint-Cloud, Malmaison was her primary home. She modelled the gardens in English style with winding paths, bridges, temples and cottages, and hired as head gardener Scotsman Alexander Howatson (replaced in 1805 by Felix Delahaye). Napoleon did not share her taste, preferring to walk in his own private garden at Malmaison.
Josephine collected plants competitively, vying with the Museum of Natural History for specimens. She gathered plants for her garden from the botanists who accompanied Napoleon on his campaigns as well as from other voyagers: Nicolas Baudin (who explored the Pacific and Australia), and Alexander von Humboldt and Aimé Bonpland (both of whom explored South America). She even shared expenses with the English firm Lee & Kennedy of Hammersmith for the collection and transport of South African plants.
During the Napoleonic Wars, ships carrying specimens for Josephine were allowed free passage. Between 1803 and 1814 hundreds of species of plants were introduced to Europe. Josephine pioneered the planting of acacia, melaleuca and eucalyptus throughout France and propagated many species of Australian plants.
Josephine’s garden at Malmaison included many species of animals collected from Baudin’s voyages, including kangaroos, emus and black swans. The first kangaroo arrived in 1804, only one of three on board Le Géographe to survive. Others were donated to Josephine over time, but they did not respond well to the European climate and at the time of Josephine’s death at Malmaison in 1814, only one remained alive. The black swans, however, not only survived but thrived, roaming the gardens freely.
Exiled to the island of Saint Helena, Napoleon introduced two new specimens to remind him of Josephine and Malmaison: the Sydney Golden Wattle (Acacia longifolia) and the Australian Golden Everlasting (Bracteantha bracteata). Both species survive on the island today.
https://www.ngv.vic.gov.au/napoleon/napoleon-and-josephine/malmaison-josephines-garden.html
Interesting.
It never occurred to me that Napoleon and early European settlement in Australia were happening at about the same time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antoine_Bruni_d%27Entrecasteaux
It seems one of the failings of the Tasmanian aborigines was that they expected the English would treat them as the French had.
sarahs mum said:
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:Because despite the media and the royal family, she was a commoner who faced them all.
She was very proactive about real issues too.
She was not a commoner. She was “Lady Di” before she married Charles. Her father was an Earl.
and she was virginal.
Yeah.
I think virginity is well overrated.
Her death has triggered mourning across Australia but will have immediate practical implications for Victoria’s parliament.
The state legislature is scheduled to return next week for its final three sitting days before the November state election but it cannot resume until MPs swear allegiance to King Charles III.
“Whenever the demise of the Crown is notified by the Governor to the Council and the Assembly, the members of the Council and of the Assembly shall before they are permitted to sit or vote therein respectively take and subscribe the like oath or affirmation to the successor,” Victoria’s constitution reads.
Victoria is the only state or territory in which MPs are required to swear allegiance to the new monarch following their predecessor’s death.
It’s anticipated it would take between two and four hours for MPs of both houses to be re-sworn.
https://7news.com.au/news/vic/victorian-mps-must-swear-allegiance-to-king-charles-before-parliament-can-resume-after-death-of-queen-elizabeth-ii-c-8180955
CIIIR prefaced his oaths to uphold the Church of Scotland by saying “I understand I am required to say this by law”. As Prince of Wales, Charles often advocated for removing all remaining discriminatory religious requirements from the Monarchy.
dv said:
CIIIR prefaced his oaths to uphold the Church of Scotland by saying “I understand I am required to say this by law”. As Prince of Wales, Charles often advocated for removing all remaining discriminatory religious requirements from the Monarchy.
How do you pronounce CIIIR…asking for a friend.
sibeen said:
dv said:
CIIIR prefaced his oaths to uphold the Church of Scotland by saying “I understand I am required to say this by law”. As Prince of Wales, Charles often advocated for removing all remaining discriminatory religious requirements from the Monarchy.
How do you pronounce CIIIR…asking for a friend.
Chucklehead.
sibeen said:
dv said:
CIIIR prefaced his oaths to uphold the Church of Scotland by saying “I understand I am required to say this by law”. As Prince of Wales, Charles often advocated for removing all remaining discriminatory religious requirements from the Monarchy.
How do you pronounce CIIIR…asking for a friend.
sea, aye aye aye, arrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
dv said:
CIIIR prefaced his oaths to uphold the Church of Scotland by saying “I understand I am required to say this by law”. As Prince of Wales, Charles often advocated for removing all remaining discriminatory religious requirements from the Monarchy.
I’m not impressed. If he wants to move the monarchy into the 21st century, the only important task is to abolish it.
Sfunny, although one hears quite a bit about movements to abolish the monarchy, or for instance to abolish or reform the House of Lords, but I don’t encounter a lot of discussion about disestablishing the Church of England.
Prince Andrew has made his first public appearance this year during a walkabout to greet the public
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
CIIIR prefaced his oaths to uphold the Church of Scotland by saying “I understand I am required to say this by law”. As Prince of Wales, Charles often advocated for removing all remaining discriminatory religious requirements from the Monarchy.
I’m not impressed. If he wants to move the monarchy into the 21st century, the only important task is to abolish it.
Fair
dv said:
Sfunny, although one hears quite a bit about movements to abolish the monarchy, or for instance to abolish or reform the House of Lords, but I don’t encounter a lot of discussion about disestablishing the Church of England.
Yes. All of this head of the church and defender of the faith stuff is explicitly against the Australian Constitution.
I wonder if the coronation ceremony as conducted by the ABofC would be unconstitutional in Australia.
dv said:
Prince Andrew has made his first public appearance this year during a walkabout to greet the public
near the local high school was it?
dv said:
Sfunny, although one hears quite a bit about movements to abolish the monarchy, or for instance to abolish or reform the House of Lords, but I don’t encounter a lot of discussion about disestablishing the Church of England.
I remember being introduced to the word Antidisestablishmentarianism (meaning opposition to disestablishing the church) in primary school, as one of the longest known English words.
According to wp, disestablishment of the CoE remains Lib-Dem policy.
Lady Louise looks a bit like Rosamund Pike.
Arts said:
Diana did not princess like a princess was expected to.. she was rogue, she parented her own children, she visited places without her husband and she sat near and chatted to someone with AIDS… in a family full of tradition, she was trailblazer… but the real big issue was… she was going to be queen… and not following the rules was not queen like behaviour… and that pissed the royal traditionalists off but it played well to everyone else..
A fellow on another online forum I frequent had this to offer…
I used to work with a guy who had been on royal security detail for four years, covering Charles during the period leading up to his split from Diana. His summary was that Phillip was an arsehole, Charles an amiable oaf, the Queen was lovely and the rest of them were halfwits. He said that Diana was a vacuous bimbo who didn’t get on with any of them.
When he handed in his notice (he had recently become a father) the Queen pulled him aside and said “Is it something Phillip said, dear? I can fix it for you, if you like. I do carry a fair bit of clout around here!”
Neophyte said:
Arts said:
Diana did not princess like a princess was expected to.. she was rogue, she parented her own children, she visited places without her husband and she sat near and chatted to someone with AIDS… in a family full of tradition, she was trailblazer… but the real big issue was… she was going to be queen… and not following the rules was not queen like behaviour… and that pissed the royal traditionalists off but it played well to everyone else..
A fellow on another online forum I frequent had this to offer…
I used to work with a guy who had been on royal security detail for four years, covering Charles during the period leading up to his split from Diana. His summary was that Phillip was an arsehole, Charles an amiable oaf, the Queen was lovely and the rest of them were halfwits. He said that Diana was a vacuous bimbo who didn’t get on with any of them.
When he handed in his notice (he had recently become a father) the Queen pulled him aside and said “Is it something Phillip said, dear? I can fix it for you, if you like. I do carry a fair bit of clout around here!”
HOLD ON…HOLD ON…other forum?
You’ve been going behind our back all these years?
runs off and sobs
Neophyte said:
Arts said:
Diana did not princess like a princess was expected to.. she was rogue, she parented her own children, she visited places without her husband and she sat near and chatted to someone with AIDS… in a family full of tradition, she was trailblazer… but the real big issue was… she was going to be queen… and not following the rules was not queen like behaviour… and that pissed the royal traditionalists off but it played well to everyone else..
A fellow on another online forum I frequent had this to offer…
I used to work with a guy who had been on royal security detail for four years, covering Charles during the period leading up to his split from Diana. His summary was that Phillip was an arsehole, Charles an amiable oaf, the Queen was lovely and the rest of them were halfwits. He said that Diana was a vacuous bimbo who didn’t get on with any of them.
When he handed in his notice (he had recently become a father) the Queen pulled him aside and said “Is it something Phillip said, dear? I can fix it for you, if you like. I do carry a fair bit of clout around here!”
interesting
sibeen said:
Neophyte said:
Arts said:
Diana did not princess like a princess was expected to.. she was rogue, she parented her own children, she visited places without her husband and she sat near and chatted to someone with AIDS… in a family full of tradition, she was trailblazer… but the real big issue was… she was going to be queen… and not following the rules was not queen like behaviour… and that pissed the royal traditionalists off but it played well to everyone else..
A fellow on another online forum I frequent had this to offer…
I used to work with a guy who had been on royal security detail for four years, covering Charles during the period leading up to his split from Diana. His summary was that Phillip was an arsehole, Charles an amiable oaf, the Queen was lovely and the rest of them were halfwits. He said that Diana was a vacuous bimbo who didn’t get on with any of them.
When he handed in his notice (he had recently become a father) the Queen pulled him aside and said “Is it something Phillip said, dear? I can fix it for you, if you like. I do carry a fair bit of clout around here!”
HOLD ON…HOLD ON…other forum?
You’ve been going behind our back all these years?
runs off and sobs
A music forum – how do you think I manage to stay on top of mindless pop culture trivia to annoy you lot with…?
Wonder what will become of all her hats.
Bubblecar said:
Wonder what will become of all her hats.
will charles need to redecorate?
Bubblecar said:
Wonder what will become of all her hats.
they will be composted and added back to the soil
Neophyte said:
sibeen said:
Neophyte said:A fellow on another online forum I frequent had this to offer…
I used to work with a guy who had been on royal security detail for four years, covering Charles during the period leading up to his split from Diana. His summary was that Phillip was an arsehole, Charles an amiable oaf, the Queen was lovely and the rest of them were halfwits. He said that Diana was a vacuous bimbo who didn’t get on with any of them.
When he handed in his notice (he had recently become a father) the Queen pulled him aside and said “Is it something Phillip said, dear? I can fix it for you, if you like. I do carry a fair bit of clout around here!”
HOLD ON…HOLD ON…other forum?
You’ve been going behind our back all these years?
runs off and sobs
A music forum – how do you think I manage to stay on top of mindless pop culture trivia to annoy you lot with…?
That’s your excuse? You needed to titillate yourself with other fripperies, and you think you can just waltz in with that lame excuse and get away with it?
runs off and sobs
sarahs mum said:
Bubblecar said:
Wonder what will become of all her hats.
will charles need to redecorate?
I wonder whether an email bombing of the ABC saying “yeah, we get it, she’s dead” would make them ease up.
sibeen said:
I wonder whether an email bombing of the ABC saying “yeah, we get it, she’s dead” would make them ease up.
i watched the first hour or so and then tuirned the tv off.
sarahs mum said:
Bubblecar said:
Wonder what will become of all her hats.
will charles need to redecorate?
More than just the hats …
There’s all the uniforms, flags, bunting and other regalia to be changed over from EIIR to CIIIR
In 1971 an 18 year old cricketer has the pleasure of meeting Her Majesty the Queen in Lords cricket ground, St Johns Wood. His name is Imran Khan and in 2018 he became the Prime Minister of Pakistan.
sibeen said:
I wonder whether an email bombing of the ABC saying “yeah, we get it, she’s dead” would make them ease up.
Worth a try.
party_pants said:
dv said:Most of the ladies at work expressed disgust at Camilla in some form.
The boss lady says that yesterday she experienced 3 minutes of shock, 1 minute of sadness, and the rest of the day cringing thinking about King Charles and Queen Camilla.
I can’t understand why she is soooo hated.
I’ve never understood the dislike either. Not that I care much.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Sfunny, although one hears quite a bit about movements to abolish the monarchy, or for instance to abolish or reform the House of Lords, but I don’t encounter a lot of discussion about disestablishing the Church of England.
I remember being introduced to the word Antidisestablishmentarianism (meaning opposition to disestablishing the church) in primary school, as one of the longest known English words.
It is a very long word.
Can you spell it?
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:
party_pants said:She was not a commoner. She was “Lady Di” before she married Charles. Her father was an Earl.
and she was virginal.
Yeah.
I think virginity is well overrated.
I’m afraid I always thought she was chosen for Charles as good breeding stock, likely to produce good looking children. My views of the monarchy may be jaded.
AussieDJ said:
sarahs mum said:
Bubblecar said:
Wonder what will become of all her hats.
will charles need to redecorate?
More than just the hats …
There’s all the uniforms, flags, bunting and other regalia to be changed over from EIIR to CIIIR
the milliners and embroiders will likely still be in a job.
dv said:
CIIIR prefaced his oaths to uphold the Church of Scotland by saying “I understand I am required to say this by law”. As Prince of Wales, Charles often advocated for removing all remaining discriminatory religious requirements from the Monarchy.
I assumed that was part of the standard speech, but I guess he might have sneaked it in there to keep Camilla happy.
I wonder when we are going to get the first openly atheist UK monarch.
National Day of Mourning for Queen Elizabeth II to be made a public holiday in Australia
roughbarked said:
National Day of Mourning for Queen Elizabeth II to be made a public holiday in Australia
Public holiday? I’m liking QEII even more!
Witty Rejoinder said:
roughbarked said:
National Day of Mourning for Queen Elizabeth II to be made a public holiday in AustraliaPublic holiday? I’m liking QEII even more!
Well, we got a day off for her birthday, so…
captain_spalding said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
roughbarked said:
National Day of Mourning for Queen Elizabeth II to be made a public holiday in AustraliaPublic holiday? I’m liking QEII even more!
Well, we got a day off for her birthday, so…
captain_spalding said:
Uh-oh.
The Prime Minister recommends the Governor-General proclaim Charles III the King of Australia at a meeting of the federal executive council at Government House.
roughbarked said:
The Prime Minister recommends the Governor-General proclaim Charles III the King of Australia at a meeting of the federal executive council at Government House.
Seems mundane enough. The Constitution requires a crown. It specifies that we follow the line of succession from Queen Victoria. Pretty much as soon as he was born Charles was next name on the list. We have known this for a long time.
woohoo, public holiday. Thank god I’m a monarchist and get to have a day off. suffer in ya jocks all you republicans!
ChrispenEvan said:
woohoo, public holiday. Thank god I’m a monarchist and get to have a day off. suffer in ya jocks all you republicans!
We never complained when she had a birthday.
roughbarked said:
ChrispenEvan said:
woohoo, public holiday. Thank god I’m a monarchist and get to have a day off. suffer in ya jocks all you republicans!
We never complained when she had a birthday.
We’d go broke if Boris was king.
Peak Warming Man said:
roughbarked said:
ChrispenEvan said:
woohoo, public holiday. Thank god I’m a monarchist and get to have a day off. suffer in ya jocks all you republicans!
We never complained when she had a birthday.
We’d go broke if Boris was king.
Charles III proclaimed King of Australia
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-09-11/king-charles-proclaimed-australia-monarch/101427102
O, FFS. I told everyone that I was available, and they’ve gone and given the job to a bloody foreigner.
sibeen said:
Charles III proclaimed King of Australiahttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-09-11/king-charles-proclaimed-australia-monarch/101427102
O, FFS. I told everyone that I was available, and they’ve gone and given the job to a bloody foreigner.
sibeen said:
Charles III proclaimed King of Australiahttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-09-11/king-charles-proclaimed-australia-monarch/101427102
O, FFS. I told everyone that I was available, and they’ve gone and given the job to a bloody foreigner.
At least he went to school here.
sibeen said:
Charles III proclaimed King of Australiahttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-09-11/king-charles-proclaimed-australia-monarch/101427102
O, FFS. I told everyone that I was available, and they’ve gone and given the job to a bloody foreigner.
This dude is snaffling all the jobs like Morrison
roughbarked said:
sibeen said:
Charles III proclaimed King of Australiahttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-09-11/king-charles-proclaimed-australia-monarch/101427102
O, FFS. I told everyone that I was available, and they’ve gone and given the job to a bloody foreigner.
At least he went to school here.
Timbertop.
sibeen said:
Charles III proclaimed King of Australiahttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-09-11/king-charles-proclaimed-australia-monarch/101427102
O, FFS. I told everyone that I was available, and they’ve gone and given the job to a bloody foreigner.
Charles 457 ?
ChrispenEvan said:
‘They gave their soles’.
A deal with the devil for the bottoms off a few shoes?
Sounds great! Where do i sign?
ChrispenEvan said:
Sounds like a promo for Four Corners.
captain_spalding said:
ChrispenEvan said:
‘They gave their soles’.
A deal with the devil for the bottoms off a few shoes?
Sounds great! Where do i sign?
not shoes, fish.
Peak Warming Man said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Sounds like a promo for Four Corners.
Seems erroneous.
Peak Warming Man said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Sounds like a promo for Four Corners.
Seems erroneous.
ChrispenEvan said:
captain_spalding said:
ChrispenEvan said:
‘They gave their soles’.
A deal with the devil for the bottoms off a few shoes?
Sounds great! Where do i sign?
not shoes, fish.
Either, both, i’m in!
Arts said:
It is true.
the Cullinan diamond was named after Thomas Cullinan the owne of the mine. In 1907, the Transvaal Colony government bought the Cullinan and Prime Minister Louis Botha presented it to Edward VII, King of the United Kingdom. The Cullinan produced stones of various cuts and sizes, the largest of which is named Cullinan I or the Great Star of Africa, and at 530.4 carats (106.08 g) (3.74 ounces) it is the largest clear cut diamond in the world. The stone is mounted in the head of the Sovereign’s Sceptre with Cross. The second-largest is Cullinan II or the Second Star of Africa, weighing 317.4 carats (63.48 g), mounted in the Imperial State Crown. Both are part of the Crown Jewels. Seven other major diamonds, weighing a total of 208.29 carats (41.66 g), were privately owned by Elizabeth II, who inherited them from her grandmother, Queen Mary, in 1953. The Queen also owned minor brilliants and a set of unpolished fragments.
Arts said:
even the long arm of the law can’t get her now.
One thing about the Simon Dorante-Day case…
He’s pressing for DNA tests from Camilla and Charles.
I assume that he has done general DNA tests of his own but I have never seen reference to that.
Charles’s male line is one of the most well documented in history, dating back to Elimar I, Count of Oldenburg back in the 11th century. His male line descendants include all manner of European royalty and nobility. Charles’s Y-DNA haplogroup is thus well known, R1b. If Dorante-Day has a matching Y-DNA hap, I would consider it very strong circumstantial evidence
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11196319/Simon-Dorante-Day-breaks-silence-grandmother-Queen-Elizabeth-IIs-death.html
dv said:
One thing about the Simon Dorante-Day case…He’s pressing for DNA tests from Camilla and Charles.
I assume that he has done general DNA tests of his own but I have never seen reference to that.
Charles’s male line is one of the most well documented in history, dating back to Elimar I, Count of Oldenburg back in the 11th century. His male line descendants include all manner of European royalty and nobility. Charles’s Y-DNA haplogroup is thus well known, R1b. If Dorante-Day has a matching Y-DNA hap, I would consider it very strong circumstantial evidence
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11196319/Simon-Dorante-Day-breaks-silence-grandmother-Queen-Elizabeth-IIs-death.html
On behalf of the forum I’ll send our condolences to Simon.
It’s just damn bad luck.
dv said:
One thing about the Simon Dorante-Day case…He’s pressing for DNA tests from Camilla and Charles.
I assume that he has done general DNA tests of his own but I have never seen reference to that.
Charles’s male line is one of the most well documented in history, dating back to Elimar I, Count of Oldenburg back in the 11th century. His male line descendants include all manner of European royalty and nobility. Charles’s Y-DNA haplogroup is thus well known, R1b. If Dorante-Day has a matching Y-DNA hap, I would consider it very strong circumstantial evidence
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11196319/Simon-Dorante-Day-breaks-silence-grandmother-Queen-Elizabeth-IIs-death.html
Love child, never meant to be
Love child, take a look at me
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:
One thing about the Simon Dorante-Day case…He’s pressing for DNA tests from Camilla and Charles.
I assume that he has done general DNA tests of his own but I have never seen reference to that.
Charles’s male line is one of the most well documented in history, dating back to Elimar I, Count of Oldenburg back in the 11th century. His male line descendants include all manner of European royalty and nobility. Charles’s Y-DNA haplogroup is thus well known, R1b. If Dorante-Day has a matching Y-DNA hap, I would consider it very strong circumstantial evidence
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11196319/Simon-Dorante-Day-breaks-silence-grandmother-Queen-Elizabeth-IIs-death.html
Love child, never meant to be
Love child, take a look at me
Also, he was born in 1966, five years before Camilla and Charles are known to have met. The conception would have to have taken place when Charles was 17 years old, which he was at boarding school in Scotland.
ChrispenEvan said:
Arts said:
even the long arm of the law can’t get her now.
Her ghost may be heard as you pass by that billabong
roughbarked said:
Arts said:
It is true.
the Cullinan diamond was named after Thomas Cullinan the owne of the mine. In 1907, the Transvaal Colony government bought the Cullinan and Prime Minister Louis Botha presented it to Edward VII, King of the United Kingdom. The Cullinan produced stones of various cuts and sizes, the largest of which is named Cullinan I or the Great Star of Africa, and at 530.4 carats (106.08 g) (3.74 ounces) it is the largest clear cut diamond in the world. The stone is mounted in the head of the Sovereign’s Sceptre with Cross. The second-largest is Cullinan II or the Second Star of Africa, weighing 317.4 carats (63.48 g), mounted in the Imperial State Crown. Both are part of the Crown Jewels. Seven other major diamonds, weighing a total of 208.29 carats (41.66 g), were privately owned by Elizabeth II, who inherited them from her grandmother, Queen Mary, in 1953. The Queen also owned minor brilliants and a set of unpolished fragments.
Presentation to Edward VII
Transvaal Prime Minister, Louis Botha, suggested buying the diamond for Edward VII as “a token of the loyalty and attachment of the people of the Transvaal to His Majesty’s throne and person”. In August 1907, a vote was held in the Legislative Council on the Cullinan’s fate, and a motion authorising the purchase was carried by 42 votes in favour to 19 against. Initially, Henry Campbell-Bannerman, then British Prime Minister, advised the king to decline the offer, but he later decided to let Edward VII choose whether or not to accept the gift. Eventually, he was persuaded by Winston Churchill, then Colonial Under-Secretary. For his trouble, Churchill was sent a replica, which he enjoyed showing off to guests on a silver plate. The Transvaal Colony government bought the diamond on 17 October 1907 for £150,000, which adjusted for pound-sterling inflation is equivalent to £16 million in 2019. Due to a 60% tax on mining profits, the Treasury received some of its money back from the Premier Diamond Mining Company.
The diamond was presented to the king at Sandringham House by Agent-General of the colony, Sir Richard Solomon, on 9 November 1907 – his sixty-sixth birthday – in the presence of a large party of guests, including the Queen of Sweden, the Queen of Spain, the Duke of Westminster and Lord Revelstoke. The king asked his colonial secretary, Lord Elgin, to announce that he accepted the gift “for myself and my successors” and that he would ensure “this great and unique diamond be kept and preserved among the historic jewels which form the heirlooms of the Crown”.
on wiki
Isn’t anyone else watching the gripping road journey arial shot by aerial shot on the road from Balmoral.
Better than the cycling for action packed scenery.
roughbarked said:
Isn’t anyone else watching the gripping road journey arial shot by aerial shot on the road from Balmoral.
Better than the cycling for action packed scenery.
no. under normal circumstances I would get into a slow tour of the highlands. But I don’t think I need to do more death.
This makes sense, Andrew probably knows some groomers
Stockpiled kitsch that’s lain in wait for years is now beginning to saturate the market.
A sample from my recent emails:
Trump isn’t going to be invited to the Queen’s funeral.
He’ll probably just turn up anyway.
Peak Warming Man said:
Trump isn’t going to be invited to the Queen’s funeral.
He’ll probably just turn up anyway.
He might be arrested for loitering.
There’s never been a King Consort of the United Kingdom.
Anne married George before she became Queen (and indeed when they married they might not have suspected she would become Queen) but he received no royal British title, and was only called Prince George because of his place in the Danish royal family.
Victoria married Albert after she became Queen. He was given the courtesy title of Prince. Elizabeth married Phillip before she was Queen, and he too was given the title Prince.
Interesting that they all married foreigners, but I suppose that’s the way of things.
On the other hand there were King Consorts of Scotland. Mary Queen of Scots made two of her three husbands King Consort.
dv said:
There’s never been a King Consort of the United Kingdom.Anne married George before she became Queen (and indeed when they married they might not have suspected she would become Queen) but he received no royal British title, and was only called Prince George because of his place in the Danish royal family.
Victoria married Albert after she became Queen. He was given the courtesy title of Prince. Elizabeth married Phillip before she was Queen, and he too was given the title Prince.
Interesting that they all married foreigners, but I suppose that’s the way of things.
On the other hand there were King Consorts of Scotland. Mary Queen of Scots made two of her three husbands King Consort.
However, I’ve always preferred Arnott’s consorted biscuits.
Woodie said:
dv said:
There’s never been a King Consort of the United Kingdom.Anne married George before she became Queen (and indeed when they married they might not have suspected she would become Queen) but he received no royal British title, and was only called Prince George because of his place in the Danish royal family.
Victoria married Albert after she became Queen. He was given the courtesy title of Prince. Elizabeth married Phillip before she was Queen, and he too was given the title Prince.
Interesting that they all married foreigners, but I suppose that’s the way of things.
On the other hand there were King Consorts of Scotland. Mary Queen of Scots made two of her three husbands King Consort.
However, I’ve always preferred Arnott’s consorted biscuits.
nice Scotch segue
A good video by Prince Harry.
https://twitter.com/leahmcelrath/status/1569391438915575808?t=PFIETQVvv1DldDyxLz2AuA&s=03
Spiny Norman said:
A good video by Prince Harry.
https://twitter.com/leahmcelrath/status/1569391438915575808?t=PFIETQVvv1DldDyxLz2AuA&s=03
Agree 100% with everything he says.
I like Harry a lot. Apart from the fact that he’s only a couple of years older than Spalding Jr, and he and Spalding Jr. look somewhat alike (red hair/beard and all), Harry clearly decided at some point that he would be his own person.
Two tours of Afghanistan, walking patrols and then flying attack helicopters, obviously gave his assertiveness a boost.
When told the The Firm could not accommodate his wishes, he simply said ‘to hell with The Firm then’.
I wish him and his family every happiness. One regret: he won’t get to be King.
captain_spalding said:
Spiny Norman said:
A good video by Prince Harry.
https://twitter.com/leahmcelrath/status/1569391438915575808?t=PFIETQVvv1DldDyxLz2AuA&s=03
Agree 100% with everything he says.
I like Harry a lot. Apart from the fact that he’s only a couple of years older than Spalding Jr, and he and Spalding Jr. look somewhat alike (red hair/beard and all), Harry clearly decided at some point that he would be his own person.
Two tours of Afghanistan, walking patrols and then flying attack helicopters, obviously gave his assertiveness a boost.
When told the The Firm could not accommodate his wishes, he simply said ‘to hell with The Firm then’.
I wish him and his family every happiness. One regret: he won’t get to be King.
I can imagine being born into royalty could suck big time if you have any sort of a personality
Cymek said:
captain_spalding said:
Spiny Norman said:
A good video by Prince Harry.
https://twitter.com/leahmcelrath/status/1569391438915575808?t=PFIETQVvv1DldDyxLz2AuA&s=03
Agree 100% with everything he says.
I like Harry a lot. Apart from the fact that he’s only a couple of years older than Spalding Jr, and he and Spalding Jr. look somewhat alike (red hair/beard and all), Harry clearly decided at some point that he would be his own person.
Two tours of Afghanistan, walking patrols and then flying attack helicopters, obviously gave his assertiveness a boost.
When told the The Firm could not accommodate his wishes, he simply said ‘to hell with The Firm then’.
I wish him and his family every happiness. One regret: he won’t get to be King.
I can imagine being born into royalty could suck big time if you have any sort of a personality
The queen is dead. Long live queen Camilla.
Queen Elizabeth II was the longest-reigning monarch in British history …
… and she only had to kill one princess and husband to do it.
The Boss Lady and I were discussing how long we thought the King would live.
The actuarial tables would suggest that his life expectancy from here is 86, but given that he has a healthy diet, gets plenty of exercise, doesn’t smoke, doesn’t drink much, and his parents both gave 100 a scare, I reckoned he’d probably at least see his 90s. She thinks he’ll be gone in a few years. She’s not a fan, though.
In the event that Charles does predecease Camilla, she’ll be known as the Queen Dowager.
mollwollfumble said:
Cymek said:
captain_spalding said:Agree 100% with everything he says.
I like Harry a lot. Apart from the fact that he’s only a couple of years older than Spalding Jr, and he and Spalding Jr. look somewhat alike (red hair/beard and all), Harry clearly decided at some point that he would be his own person.
Two tours of Afghanistan, walking patrols and then flying attack helicopters, obviously gave his assertiveness a boost.
When told the The Firm could not accommodate his wishes, he simply said ‘to hell with The Firm then’.
I wish him and his family every happiness. One regret: he won’t get to be King.
I can imagine being born into royalty could suck big time if you have any sort of a personality
The queen is dead. Long live queen Camilla.
Depends on your wingspan. We have long wingspan in my family, evidenced by how long you have to knit to do a jumper sleeve.
Spiny Norman said:
A good video by Prince Harry.
https://twitter.com/leahmcelrath/status/1569391438915575808?t=PFIETQVvv1DldDyxLz2AuA&s=03
twas worthy.
dv said:
The Boss Lady and I were discussing how long we thought the King would live.The actuarial tables would suggest that his life expectancy from here is 86, but given that he has a healthy diet, gets plenty of exercise, doesn’t smoke, doesn’t drink much, and his parents both gave 100 a scare, I reckoned he’d probably at least see his 90s. She thinks he’ll be gone in a few years. She’s not a fan, though.
In the event that Charles does predecease Camilla, she’ll be known as the Queen Dowager.
He’d have the best of health care and the blood of the young to revitalise him
dv said:
The Boss Lady and I were discussing how long we thought the King would live.The actuarial tables would suggest that his life expectancy from here is 86, but given that he has a healthy diet, gets plenty of exercise, doesn’t smoke, doesn’t drink much, and his parents both gave 100 a scare, I reckoned he’d probably at least see his 90s. She thinks he’ll be gone in a few years. She’s not a fan, though.
In the event that Charles does predecease Camilla, she’ll be known as the Queen Dowager.
I have never had anything against charles. until I learned about his role in the dismissal.
Spiny Norman said:
A good video by Prince Harry.
https://twitter.com/leahmcelrath/status/1569391438915575808?t=PFIETQVvv1DldDyxLz2AuA&s=03
Watched that.
The royal family could have done more to combat the surrounding racism, but didn’t, he left them for doing nothing about it, good on him for making that choice to leave that toxic environment, I think many people would do the same thing.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Spiny Norman said:
A good video by Prince Harry.
https://twitter.com/leahmcelrath/status/1569391438915575808?t=PFIETQVvv1DldDyxLz2AuA&s=03
Watched that.
The royal family could have done more to combat the surrounding racism, but didn’t, he left them for doing nothing about it, good on him for making that choice to leave that toxic environment, I think many people would do the same thing.
I had not understood the considered the idea of dodi being darker skinned problematic until now.
sarahs mum said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Spiny Norman said:
A good video by Prince Harry.
https://twitter.com/leahmcelrath/status/1569391438915575808?t=PFIETQVvv1DldDyxLz2AuA&s=03
Watched that.
The royal family could have done more to combat the surrounding racism, but didn’t, he left them for doing nothing about it, good on him for making that choice to leave that toxic environment, I think many people would do the same thing.
I had not understood the considered the idea of dodi being darker skinned problematic until now.
Some remnant of the days Britain was an empire and superior to all these people
Cymek said:
sarahs mum said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Watched that.
The royal family could have done more to combat the surrounding racism, but didn’t, he left them for doing nothing about it, good on him for making that choice to leave that toxic environment, I think many people would do the same thing.
I had not understood the considered the idea of dodi being darker skinned problematic until now.
Some remnant of the days Britain was an empire and superior to all these people
The queen should have pressed for media harassment laws, that’s what should have happened, but didn’t. Princess Diana was clearly being harassed by the media.
The queen should have locked up Prince Andrew too but didn’t.
Being racist is not being superior, its showing hatred for humanity.
The Firm are pedalling poor ethics. That needs to change.
Cymek said:
sarahs mum said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Watched that.
The royal family could have done more to combat the surrounding racism, but didn’t, he left them for doing nothing about it, good on him for making that choice to leave that toxic environment, I think many people would do the same thing.
I had not understood the considered the idea of dodi being darker skinned problematic until now.
Some remnant of the days Britain was an empire and superior to all these people
oh i did understand that he was arab and a businessman. that’s not much better tho’.
sarahs mum said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Spiny Norman said:
A good video by Prince Harry.
https://twitter.com/leahmcelrath/status/1569391438915575808?t=PFIETQVvv1DldDyxLz2AuA&s=03
Watched that.
The royal family could have done more to combat the surrounding racism, but didn’t, he left them for doing nothing about it, good on him for making that choice to leave that toxic environment, I think many people would do the same thing.
I had not understood the considered the idea of dodi being darker skinned problematic until now.
The news were talking about him.
Well said Harry.
sarahs mum said:
Cymek said:
sarahs mum said:I had not understood the considered the idea of dodi being darker skinned problematic until now.
Some remnant of the days Britain was an empire and superior to all these people
oh i did understand that he was arab and a businessman. that’s not much better tho’.
Diana’s boyfriend wasn’t a white man, had dark skin. Megan has dark skin. That kind of racism is abhorrent.
One can see how constant bullying and racism can drive people to despair, there’s too much of it, the queen did nothing, that’s not good enough.
Its fair to say now that some parts of the Royal family are toxic.
Tau.Neutrino said:
sarahs mum said:
Cymek said:Some remnant of the days Britain was an empire and superior to all these people
oh i did understand that he was arab and a businessman. that’s not much better tho’.
Diana’s boyfriend wasn’t a white man, had dark skin. Megan has dark skin. That kind of racism is abhorrent.
One can see how constant bullying and racism can drive people to despair, there’s too much of it, the queen did nothing, that’s not good enough.
Its fair to say now that some parts of the Royal family are toxic.
The duke was a racist.
Tau.Neutrino said:
sarahs mum said:
Cymek said:Some remnant of the days Britain was an empire and superior to all these people
oh i did understand that he was arab and a businessman. that’s not much better tho’.
Diana’s boyfriend wasn’t a white man, had dark skin. Megan has dark skin. That kind of racism is abhorrent.
One can see how constant bullying and racism can drive people to despair, there’s too much of it, the queen did nothing, that’s not good enough.
Its fair to say now that some parts of the Royal family are toxic.
How far does one go to protect family, sexual predatory behaviour against underage girls, then covering it up would come pretty close to disowning a member of your family
i wonder what will happen to the racing stable.
sarahs mum said:
i wonder what will happen to the racing stable.
There will be people to uphold tradition.
roughbarked said:
sarahs mum said:i wonder what will happen to the racing stable.There will be people to uphold tradition.
the duke gave one of the granddaughters lessons in four in hand and then gave her his horses and all the gear.
sarahs mum said:
roughbarked said:
sarahs mum said:i wonder what will happen to the racing stable.There will be people to uphold tradition.
the duke gave one of the granddaughters lessons in four in hand and then gave her his horses and all the gear.
and those rich arabs give you horses and then you have to keep them and stable them and feed them for like 30 years.
Why would someone who likes horses be into horse racing?
Tau.Neutrino said:
sarahs mum said:
Cymek said:Some remnant of the days Britain was an empire and superior to all these people
oh i did understand that he was arab and a businessman. that’s not much better tho’.
Diana’s boyfriend wasn’t a white man, had dark skin. Megan has dark skin. That kind of racism is abhorrent.
One can see how constant bullying and racism can drive people to despair, there’s too much of it, the queen did nothing, that’s not good enough.
Its fair to say now that some parts of
the Royalanyone’s family are toxic.
/fixed
dv said:
Why would someone who likes horses be into horse racing?
i don’t know. maybe they are really only into stud books.
dv said:
Why would someone who likes horses be into horse racing?
same reasons that people who own pets wish to bend them to their rule. people hold funny ideas about animals.
dv said:
Why would someone who likes horses be into horse racing?
Doesn’t make sense to me. Horses do like to run but that’s a different story.
dv said:
LOLOL
roughbarked said:
dv said:
Why would someone who likes horses be into horse racing?
Doesn’t make sense to me. Horses do like to run but that’s a different story.
some like to compete. none like to be whipped.
dv said:
Why would someone who likes horses be into horse racing?
I suspect that there would be far fewer horses if not for horse racing – so it is probably good for the species.
sarahs mum said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:
Why would someone who likes horses be into horse racing?
Doesn’t make sense to me. Horses do like to run but that’s a different story.
some like to compete. none like to be whipped.
I had a horse called charlie once. he was a pacer and was raced by brett’s mum for years. most races he came in third. he paid for his stabling and his feed and his trainer but seldom brought in much money. he spent sometime at the riding school beforew coming to me.
He was a gentleman. but he was nervy. he absolutely refused to go across the wooden bridge. i would have to dismount and lead him across and then remount.
One day i took him out with a few other riders. and as soon as he settled into third place he would just relax and do everything that was expected of him.
sibeen said:
dv said:
Why would someone who likes horses be into horse racing?
I suspect that there would be far fewer horses if not for horse racing – so it is probably good for the species.
Perhaps we need to discuss the concept of “wrongful life”.
dv said:
sibeen said:
dv said:
Why would someone who likes horses be into horse racing?
I suspect that there would be far fewer horses if not for horse racing – so it is probably good for the species.
Perhaps we need to discuss the concept of “wrongful life”.
They are disposable which is wrong that’s for sure
Maybe Joshua John Ward considered himself a great slave-lover.
dv said:
all this disroyalty, ABC bombing everyone until they’re rocking in a corner banging their heads on the walls mumbling incoherently about republic this or that
funny things happen when people die, become public property, doubly worse if you’re a public figure
Folks still queening?
Surely she’s starting to smell by now.
Bubblecar said:
Folks still queening?Surely she’s starting to smell by now.
alabanese said now is not the right time to talk about having a republic. but we will have that discussion.
sarahs mum said:
Bubblecar said:
Folks still queening?Surely she’s starting to smell by now.
alabanese said now is not the right time to talk about having a republic. but we will have that discussion.
I’m sure it won’t make that much difference if we wait a couple of weeks.
sarahs mum said:
Bubblecar said:
Folks still queening?Surely she’s starting to smell by now.
alabanese said now is not the right time to talk about having a republic. but we will have that discussion.
It’s a bit sad that even the left-of-centre parties have to pretend that the monarchy is “above politics”, rather than the inherently conservative institution that it actually is (and that its defenders tout as its “great strength”).
transition said:
dv said:
all this disroyalty, ABC bombing everyone until they’re rocking in a corner banging their heads on the walls mumbling incoherently about republic this or that
funny things happen when people die, become public property, doubly worse if you’re a public figure
They do but its a bit overdone the amount of carry on over her funeral, she’s dead she doesn’t care
sarahs mum said:
Bubblecar said:
Folks still queening?Surely she’s starting to smell by now.
alabanese said now is not the right time to talk about having a republic. but we will have that discussion.
Sturgeon read scripture during the service in Edinburgh yesterday, the popular Ecclesiastes 3. “There is a time for everything” and everything, including I suppose a time to talk about having a republic.
I would note though that the position of the SNP is that the monarch would remain HOS in the event of Scottish independence.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/nicola-sturgeon-snp-splits-future-monarchy-scotland-latest-republic-6pjsznt2n
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
Bubblecar said:
Folks still queening?Surely she’s starting to smell by now.
alabanese said now is not the right time to talk about having a republic. but we will have that discussion.
It’s a bit sad that even the left-of-centre parties have to pretend that the monarchy is “above politics”, rather than the inherently conservative institution that it actually is (and that its defenders tout as its “great strength”).
Less worse than what’s done in the name of religion but for king/queen and country resulted in a lot of death and destruction
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
Bubblecar said:
Folks still queening?Surely she’s starting to smell by now.
alabanese said now is not the right time to talk about having a republic. but we will have that discussion.
Sturgeon read scripture during the service in Edinburgh yesterday, the popular Ecclesiastes 3. “There is a time for everything” and everything, including I suppose a time to talk about having a republic.
I would note though that the position of the SNP is that the monarch would remain HOS in the event of Scottish independence.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/nicola-sturgeon-snp-splits-future-monarchy-scotland-latest-republic-6pjsznt2n
One of the reasons I’m not enthused about Scottish independence these days.
ChrispenEvan said:
sarahs mum said:alabanese said now is not the right time to talk about having a republic. but we will have that discussion.
I’m sure it won’t make that much difference if we wait a couple of weeks.
Let’s have the republic thing again, by all means.
It’s been around for long enough become something of a religion for some people, and they pursue it with something akin to religious fanaticism.
Like a religion, there’s a risk that it may be corrupted away from its original ideals into becoming means to an end, and driven by people who foresee personal benefit from it.
And, akin to a religion, some adherents believe that they know the truth and the way, and will never accept any outcome other than what they wish for.
Scotland had the same thing in 2014. No thanks, we’ll stay in the UK. Now the independence lobby says that the vote was ‘not representational’ and want another. And if they have 49 votes and they all come out ‘no’ they’ll push for vote 50. Only the one that says ‘yes’ will be acceptable to them.
It’d be the same here.
captain_spalding said:
Scotland had the same thing in 2014. No thanks, we’ll stay in the UK. Now the independence lobby says that the vote was ‘not representational’ and want another.
One of the main arguments of the Scremainers was that by becoming independent, Scotland’s relationship with the EU would be at risk.
It was something of a bait and switch. Following the shitfuck that has been Brexit, it’s reasonable to check again.
captain_spalding said:
ChrispenEvan said:
sarahs mum said:alabanese said now is not the right time to talk about having a republic. but we will have that discussion.
I’m sure it won’t make that much difference if we wait a couple of weeks.
Let’s have the republic thing again, by all means.
It’s been around for long enough become something of a religion for some people, and they pursue it with something akin to religious fanaticism.
Like a religion, there’s a risk that it may be corrupted away from its original ideals into becoming means to an end, and driven by people who foresee personal benefit from it.
And, akin to a religion, some adherents believe that they know the truth and the way, and will never accept any outcome other than what they wish for.
Scotland had the same thing in 2014. No thanks, we’ll stay in the UK. Now the independence lobby says that the vote was ‘not representational’ and want another. And if they have 49 votes and they all come out ‘no’ they’ll push for vote 50. Only the one that says ‘yes’ will be acceptable to them.
It’d be the same here.
Can’t agree with that. Abolishing the monarchy is a progressive move away from a nonsensical, non-democratic political tradition. A republican movement can’t sensibly be expected to “give up” just because they lose this or that referendum.
dv said:
captain_spalding said:Scotland had the same thing in 2014. No thanks, we’ll stay in the UK. Now the independence lobby says that the vote was ‘not representational’ and want another.
One of the main arguments of the Scremainers was that by becoming independent, Scotland’s relationship with the EU would be at risk.
It was something of a bait and switch. Following the shitfuck that has been Brexit, it’s reasonable to check again.
There can be only one
The head-of-state thing? -We can have an Australian President, why not, no harm done there.
The politicians aren’t going to create an office which might exert any influence or scrutiny over them.
Will the President have any executive power? No.
With the Prez have any power of veto? No.
Will the Prez have any political/governmental role at all? No.
The Prez will be a figurehead, solely for greeting visiting dignitaries at the bottom of airliner steps, cutting ribbons, eating lunches, signing with a flourish items that are either inconsequential or faits accompli, giving a speech when Parliament opens (rather like the ref’s words to the boxers before the bell rings).
Not that high a price for giving a sector of the community a warm fuzzy feeling, i suppose.
Mind you I think there’s not much point unless the polling strongly supports change. Like 60 to 40, so the result is more or less beyond doubt.
captain_spalding said:
The head-of-state thing? -We can have an Australian President, why not, no harm done there.The politicians aren’t going to create an office which might exert any influence or scrutiny over them.
Will the President have any executive power? No.
With the Prez have any power of veto? No.
Will the Prez have any political/governmental role at all? No.
The Prez will be a figurehead, solely for greeting visiting dignitaries at the bottom of airliner steps, cutting ribbons, eating lunches, signing with a flourish items that are either inconsequential or faits accompli, giving a speech when Parliament opens (rather like the ref’s words to the boxers before the bell rings).
Not that high a price for giving a sector of the community a warm fuzzy feeling, i suppose.
Could the head of state be chosen from Australia’s Might Have Talent
captain_spalding said:
The head-of-state thing? -We can have an Australian President, why not, no harm done there.The politicians aren’t going to create an office which might exert any influence or scrutiny over them.
Will the President have any executive power? No.
With the Prez have any power of veto? No.
Will the Prez have any political/governmental role at all? No.
The Prez will be a figurehead, solely for greeting visiting dignitaries at the bottom of airliner steps, cutting ribbons, eating lunches, signing with a flourish items that are either inconsequential or faits accompli, giving a speech when Parliament opens (rather like the ref’s words to the boxers before the bell rings).
Not that high a price for giving a sector of the community a warm fuzzy feeling, i suppose.
As long as the President is appointed (possibly 2/3 majority of both houses jointly sitting), not popularly elected.
Oh, and the President should be able to sack the government and call an immediate election. But the President loses his job, too.
Cymek said:
captain_spalding said:
The head-of-state thing? -We can have an Australian President, why not, no harm done there.The politicians aren’t going to create an office which might exert any influence or scrutiny over them.
Will the President have any executive power? No.
With the Prez have any power of veto? No.
Will the Prez have any political/governmental role at all? No.
The Prez will be a figurehead, solely for greeting visiting dignitaries at the bottom of airliner steps, cutting ribbons, eating lunches, signing with a flourish items that are either inconsequential or faits accompli, giving a speech when Parliament opens (rather like the ref’s words to the boxers before the bell rings).
Not that high a price for giving a sector of the community a warm fuzzy feeling, i suppose.
Could the head of state be chosen from Australia’s Might Have Talent
I’d like to see a lottery. Everyone over 18 is in it, you, too could be Prez for a year (two years? three years?). If you’re just going to be the crash-test-dummy described above (and you will be), you’re as qualified for the role as anyone is.
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
The head-of-state thing? -We can have an Australian President, why not, no harm done there.The politicians aren’t going to create an office which might exert any influence or scrutiny over them.
Will the President have any executive power? No.
With the Prez have any power of veto? No.
Will the Prez have any political/governmental role at all? No.
The Prez will be a figurehead, solely for greeting visiting dignitaries at the bottom of airliner steps, cutting ribbons, eating lunches, signing with a flourish items that are either inconsequential or faits accompli, giving a speech when Parliament opens (rather like the ref’s words to the boxers before the bell rings).
Not that high a price for giving a sector of the community a warm fuzzy feeling, i suppose.
As long as the President is appointed (possibly 2/3 majority of both houses jointly sitting), not popularly elected.
Oh, and the President should be able to sack the government and call an immediate election. But the President loses his job, too.
No Parliament is going to appoint anyone over them. That is rock-solid fact.
captain_spalding said:
Cymek said:
captain_spalding said:
The head-of-state thing? -We can have an Australian President, why not, no harm done there.The politicians aren’t going to create an office which might exert any influence or scrutiny over them.
Will the President have any executive power? No.
With the Prez have any power of veto? No.
Will the Prez have any political/governmental role at all? No.
The Prez will be a figurehead, solely for greeting visiting dignitaries at the bottom of airliner steps, cutting ribbons, eating lunches, signing with a flourish items that are either inconsequential or faits accompli, giving a speech when Parliament opens (rather like the ref’s words to the boxers before the bell rings).
Not that high a price for giving a sector of the community a warm fuzzy feeling, i suppose.
Could the head of state be chosen from Australia’s Might Have Talent
I’d like to see a lottery. Everyone over 18 is in it, you, too could be Prez for a year (two years? three years?). If you’re just going to be the crash-test-dummy described above (and you will be), you’re as qualified for the role as anyone is.
Seems like a pretty basic job so perhaps these days it could be done by a bot
captain_spalding said:
Cymek said:
captain_spalding said:
The head-of-state thing? -We can have an Australian President, why not, no harm done there.The politicians aren’t going to create an office which might exert any influence or scrutiny over them.
Will the President have any executive power? No.
With the Prez have any power of veto? No.
Will the Prez have any political/governmental role at all? No.
The Prez will be a figurehead, solely for greeting visiting dignitaries at the bottom of airliner steps, cutting ribbons, eating lunches, signing with a flourish items that are either inconsequential or faits accompli, giving a speech when Parliament opens (rather like the ref’s words to the boxers before the bell rings).
Not that high a price for giving a sector of the community a warm fuzzy feeling, i suppose.
Could the head of state be chosen from Australia’s Might Have Talent
I’d like to see a lottery. Everyone over 18 is in it, you, too could be Prez for a year (two years? three years?). If you’re just going to be the crash-test-dummy described above (and you will be), you’re as qualified for the role as anyone is.
:)
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
The head-of-state thing? -We can have an Australian President, why not, no harm done there.The politicians aren’t going to create an office which might exert any influence or scrutiny over them.
Will the President have any executive power? No.
With the Prez have any power of veto? No.
Will the Prez have any political/governmental role at all? No.
The Prez will be a figurehead, solely for greeting visiting dignitaries at the bottom of airliner steps, cutting ribbons, eating lunches, signing with a flourish items that are either inconsequential or faits accompli, giving a speech when Parliament opens (rather like the ref’s words to the boxers before the bell rings).
Not that high a price for giving a sector of the community a warm fuzzy feeling, i suppose.
As long as the President is appointed (possibly 2/3 majority of both houses jointly sitting), not popularly elected.
Oh, and the President should be able to sack the government and call an immediate election. But the President loses his job, too.
No Parliament is going to appoint anyone over them. That is rock-solid fact.
I don’t want a pollie or a populist. Just a decent person.
dv said:
captain_spalding said:
Cymek said:Could the head of state be chosen from Australia’s Might Have Talent
I’d like to see a lottery. Everyone over 18 is in it, you, too could be Prez for a year (two years? three years?). If you’re just going to be the crash-test-dummy described above (and you will be), you’re as qualified for the role as anyone is.
Seems like a pretty basic job so perhaps these days it could be done by a bot
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:As long as the President is appointed (possibly 2/3 majority of both houses jointly sitting), not popularly elected.
Oh, and the President should be able to sack the government and call an immediate election. But the President loses his job, too.
No Parliament is going to appoint anyone over them. That is rock-solid fact.
I don’t want a pollie or a populist. Just a decent person.
‘Paging Diogenes. Diogenes to the reception desk, please.’
Michael V said:
Oh, and the President should be able to sack the government and call an immediate election. But the President loses his job, too.
those are pretty impressive powers. what checks would be in place?
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
Bubblecar said:
Folks still queening?Surely she’s starting to smell by now.
alabanese said now is not the right time to talk about having a republic. but we will have that discussion.
Sturgeon read scripture during the service in Edinburgh yesterday, the popular Ecclesiastes 3. “There is a time for everything” and everything, including I suppose a time to talk about having a republic.
I would note though that the position of the SNP is that the monarch would remain HOS in the event of Scottish independence.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/nicola-sturgeon-snp-splits-future-monarchy-scotland-latest-republic-6pjsznt2n
Shouldn’t the Scots be telling the English to go and get their own monarch, after they get independence?
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:No Parliament is going to appoint anyone over them. That is rock-solid fact.
I don’t want a pollie or a populist. Just a decent person.
‘Paging Diogenes. Diogenes to the reception desk, please.’
Ha.
ChrispenEvan said:
Michael V said:Oh, and the President should be able to sack the government and call an immediate election. But the President loses his job, too.
those are pretty impressive powers. what checks would be in place?
The Governor general already has these powers. Kerr used them.
The checks are above: immediate election and personal sacking.
Michael V said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Michael V said:Oh, and the President should be able to sack the government and call an immediate election. But the President loses his job, too.
those are pretty impressive powers. what checks would be in place?
The Governor general already has these powers. Kerr used them.
The checks are above: immediate election and personal sacking.
I thought we wanted to get away from this kind of scenario? There were no checks on Kerr and losing your job isn’t really a check, especially for the Australian people who have to put up with a possibly corrupt idea.
Michael V said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Michael V said:Oh, and the President should be able to sack the government and call an immediate election. But the President loses his job, too.
those are pretty impressive powers. what checks would be in place?
The Governor general already has these powers. Kerr used them.
The checks are above: immediate election and personal sacking.
Funny that he was supposed to be the queen’s rep. The queen had no powers.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:alabanese said now is not the right time to talk about having a republic. but we will have that discussion.
Sturgeon read scripture during the service in Edinburgh yesterday, the popular Ecclesiastes 3. “There is a time for everything” and everything, including I suppose a time to talk about having a republic.
I would note though that the position of the SNP is that the monarch would remain HOS in the event of Scottish independence.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/nicola-sturgeon-snp-splits-future-monarchy-scotland-latest-republic-6pjsznt2nShouldn’t the Scots be telling the English to go and get their own monarch, after they get independence?
Nice
ChrispenEvan said:
Michael V said:
ChrispenEvan said:those are pretty impressive powers. what checks would be in place?
The Governor general already has these powers. Kerr used them.
The checks are above: immediate election and personal sacking.
I thought we wanted to get away from this kind of scenario? There were no checks on Kerr and losing your job isn’t really a check, especially for the Australian people who have to put up with a possibly corrupt idea.
There’s always the chance of a constitutional crisis regardless of the system of checks. It’s why if all else fails an election is called.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:alabanese said now is not the right time to talk about having a republic. but we will have that discussion.
Sturgeon read scripture during the service in Edinburgh yesterday, the popular Ecclesiastes 3. “There is a time for everything” and everything, including I suppose a time to talk about having a republic.
I would note though that the position of the SNP is that the monarch would remain HOS in the event of Scottish independence.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/nicola-sturgeon-snp-splits-future-monarchy-scotland-latest-republic-6pjsznt2nShouldn’t the Scots be telling the English to go and get their own monarch, after they get independence?
I was reading some Scottish independents going off at the idea of william being Lord of the Isles.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bubblecar said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Shrug
Why not?
Because quite some time ago, the more advanced Western nations decided that these matters should be determined democratically.
Plenty of “Western” nations with a token hereditary head of state.
Not that I think it’s a good idea myself.
Of the 38 OECD nations, 13 have a monarch as head of state.
Australia, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Estonia, Japan, Luxembourg, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Spain, Sweden, United Kingdom.
Witty Rejoinder said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Michael V said:The Governor general already has these powers. Kerr used them.
The checks are above: immediate election and personal sacking.
I thought we wanted to get away from this kind of scenario? There were no checks on Kerr and losing your job isn’t really a check, especially for the Australian people who have to put up with a possibly corrupt idea.
There’s always the chance of a constitutional crisis regardless of the system of checks. It’s why if all else fails an election is called.
so we lessen the chance.
Note that I don’t believe there was any constitutional crisis before the Dismissal. There was a potential for a political problem, and that problem had not arrived yet. The problem would have resolved itself without royal intervention.
I am happy enough to stay with a constitutional monarchy on the following conditions:
The monarch is exclusive to Australia and not shared with any other nation
The monarch lives permanently in Australia
The monarch is not chosen by heredity succession
The monarch is not appointed for life but serves a fixed term
The monarch must be a minimum of 55 years of age upon taking office
it is still a constitutional monarchy.
party_pants said:
I am happy enough to stay with a constitutional monarchy on the following conditions:The monarch is exclusive to Australia and not shared with any other nation
The monarch lives permanently in Australia
The monarch is not chosen by heredity succession
The monarch is not appointed for life but serves a fixed term
The monarch must be a minimum of 55 years of age upon taking officeit is still a constitutional monarchy.
In what way is that a monarch?
party_pants said:
I am happy enough to stay with a constitutional monarchy on the following conditions:The monarch is exclusive to Australia and not shared with any other nation
The monarch lives permanently in Australia
The monarch is not chosen by heredity succession
The monarch is not appointed for life but serves a fixed term
The monarch must be a minimum of 55 years of age upon taking officeit is still a constitutional monarchy.
>The monarch is not chosen by heredity succession
Not really a monarch then, is it.
party_pants said:
I am happy enough to stay with a constitutional monarchy on the following conditions:The monarch is exclusive to Australia and not shared with any other nation
The monarch lives permanently in Australia
The monarch is not chosen by heredity succession
The monarch is not appointed for life but serves a fixed term
The monarch must be a minimum of 55 years of age upon taking officeit is still a constitutional monarchy.
… oh – and The monarch can not have been a member of any state or federal parliament for the previous 5 years.
dv said:
party_pants said:
I am happy enough to stay with a constitutional monarchy on the following conditions:The monarch is exclusive to Australia and not shared with any other nation
The monarch lives permanently in Australia
The monarch is not chosen by heredity succession
The monarch is not appointed for life but serves a fixed term
The monarch must be a minimum of 55 years of age upon taking officeit is still a constitutional monarchy.
In what way is that a monarch?
in name.
@POA would be their twitter account.
party_pants said:
party_pants said:
I am happy enough to stay with a constitutional monarchy on the following conditions:The monarch is exclusive to Australia and not shared with any other nation
The monarch lives permanently in Australia
The monarch is not chosen by heredity succession
The monarch is not appointed for life but serves a fixed term
The monarch must be a minimum of 55 years of age upon taking officeit is still a constitutional monarchy.
ok. I accept
… oh – and The monarch can not have been a member of any state or federal parliament for the previous 5 years.
Arts said:
@POA would be their twitter account.
or if we can call the the president of Oz…
@POO
Arts said:
party_pants said:
party_pants said:
I am happy enough to stay with a constitutional monarchy on the following conditions:The monarch is exclusive to Australia and not shared with any other nation
The monarch lives permanently in Australia
The monarch is not chosen by heredity succession
The monarch is not appointed for life but serves a fixed term
The monarch must be a minimum of 55 years of age upon taking officeit is still a constitutional monarchy.
ok. I accept
… oh – and The monarch can not have been a member of any state or federal parliament for the previous 5 years.
dv said:
Note that I don’t believe there was any constitutional crisis before the Dismissal. There was a potential for a political problem, and that problem had not arrived yet. The problem would have resolved itself without royal intervention.
Could have, yes.
why do we even need a president? maybe the AotY can do all the ceremonies.
dv said:
It’s a bit pathetic.
party_pants said:
party_pants said:
I am happy enough to stay with a constitutional monarchy on the following conditions:The monarch is exclusive to Australia and not shared with any other nation
The monarch lives permanently in Australia
The monarch is not chosen by heredity succession
The monarch is not appointed for life but serves a fixed term
The monarch must be a minimum of 55 years of age upon taking officeit is still a constitutional monarchy.
… oh – and The monarch can not have been a member of any state or federal parliament for the previous 5 years.
I’m ticking all the boxes I tells ya.
ChrispenEvan said:
why do we even need a president? maybe the AotY can do all the ceremonies.
And the constitutional courts can do the constitutional stuff.
party_pants said:
dv said:
party_pants said:
I am happy enough to stay with a constitutional monarchy on the following conditions:The monarch is exclusive to Australia and not shared with any other nation
The monarch lives permanently in Australia
The monarch is not chosen by heredity succession
The monarch is not appointed for life but serves a fixed term
The monarch must be a minimum of 55 years of age upon taking officeit is still a constitutional monarchy.
In what way is that a monarch?
in name.
I think the ideal monarch would live in a range covering most of the Pacific nations, would be sexually dimorphic, live mainly on nectar, and have a lifespan of 3 to 4 weeks.
dv said:
He’s wrong about the 1000 years, too.
Willaim the First was the first of our kings —
Not counting Ethelreds, Egberts, and things —
And he had himself crowned and annointed and blessed
In ten sixty I needn’t tell you the rest.
dv said:
party_pants said:
dv said:In what way is that a monarch?
in name.
I think the ideal monarch would live in a range covering most of the Pacific nations, would be sexually dimorphic, live mainly on nectar, and have a lifespan of 3 to 4 weeks.
and be social.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
It’s a bit pathetic.
Also seems to think that William the Conqueror’s line is continuous with the Anglo-Saxon kingdoms, rather than replacing them?
btm said:
dv said:
He’s wrong about the 1000 years, too.
Willaim the First was the first of our kings —
Not counting Ethelreds, Egberts, and things —
And he had himself crowned and annointed and blessed
In ten sixty I needn’t tell you the rest.
He’s not a real king.
dv said:
party_pants said:
dv said:In what way is that a monarch?
in name.
I think the ideal monarch would live in a range covering most of the Pacific nations, would be sexually dimorphic, live mainly on nectar, and have a lifespan of 3 to 4 weeks.
When you think about it, all anuses are transient.
dv said:
party_pants said:
dv said:In what way is that a monarch?
in name.
I think the ideal monarch would live in a range covering most of the Pacific nations, would be sexually dimorphic, live mainly on nectar, and have a lifespan of 3 to 4 weeks.
dv said:
party_pants said:
dv said:In what way is that a monarch?
in name.
I think the ideal monarch would live in a range covering most of the Pacific nations, would be sexually dimorphic, live mainly on nectar, and have a lifespan of 3 to 4 weeks.
touche.
ChrispenEvan said:
why do we even need a president? maybe the AotY can do all the ceremonies.
STEMocracy
Bubblecar said:
Arts said:
party_pants said:ok. I accept
… oh – and The monarch can not have been a member of any state or federal parliament for the previous 5 years.
Trying to remember who that fellow on the right is/was.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
party_pants said:in name.
I think the ideal monarch would live in a range covering most of the Pacific nations, would be sexually dimorphic, live mainly on nectar, and have a lifespan of 3 to 4 weeks.
When you think about it, all anuses are transient.
That’s deep.
dv said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:I think the ideal monarch would live in a range covering most of the Pacific nations, would be sexually dimorphic, live mainly on nectar, and have a lifespan of 3 to 4 weeks.
When you think about it, all anuses are transient.
That’s deep.
Would be pretty damn spooky otherwise.
In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return, with only thy anus remaining.
Obv there will be good faith disagreements between people who’ve done the homework. Also there will also be people who just don’t care about topics so they happily remain ignorant, and good luck to them.
World seems to be have full of people furiously energised on topics they are unwilling to learn about.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Bubblecar said:When you think about it, all anuses are transient.
That’s deep.
Would be pretty damn spooky otherwise.
In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return, with only thy anus remaining.
Anus mirabilis
dv said:
she stay on her horse well/
ChrispenEvan said:
btm said:
dv said:
He’s wrong about the 1000 years, too.
Willaim the First was the first of our kings —
Not counting Ethelreds, Egberts, and things —
And he had himself crowned and annointed and blessed
In ten sixty I needn’t tell you the rest.
He’s not a real king.
Ya don’t vote for kings.
dv said:
Obv there will be good faith disagreements between people who’ve done the homework. Also there will also be people who just don’t care about topics so they happily remain ignorant, and good luck to them.World seems to be have full of people furiously energised on topics they are unwilling to learn about.
so do yous all think the people in these countries have had enough of experts from organisations with acronyms saying that they know what is best and getting it consistently wrong
SCIENCE said:
dv said:Obv there will be good faith disagreements between people who’ve done the homework. Also there will also be people who just don’t care about topics so they happily remain ignorant, and good luck to them.World seems to be have full of people furiously energised on topics they are unwilling to learn about.
so do yous all think the people in these countries have had enough of experts from organisations with acronyms saying that they know what is best and getting it consistently wrong
no
ChrispenEvan said:
why do we even need a president? maybe the AotY can do all the ceremonies.
But, that would some party lackey out of a lovely money-for-nothing-and-your-piss-for-free sinecure.
It should be like jury duty.
‘Hey, Baz, wanna go fishing next weekend?’
‘Nah, can’t. Got a letter yesterday. Gotta be bloody President for a little while.’
captain_spalding said:
It should be like jury duty.‘Hey, Baz, wanna go fishing next weekend?’
‘Nah, can’t. Got a letter yesterday. Gotta be bloody President for a little while.’
Surely someone accomplished in their field is better than some random Johnny crackhead?
Witty Rejoinder said:
captain_spalding said:
It should be like jury duty.‘Hey, Baz, wanna go fishing next weekend?’
‘Nah, can’t. Got a letter yesterday. Gotta be bloody President for a little while.’
Surely someone accomplished in their field is better than some random Johnny crackhead?
the elites always end up with the good jobs!
Witty Rejoinder said:
captain_spalding said:
It should be like jury duty.‘Hey, Baz, wanna go fishing next weekend?’
‘Nah, can’t. Got a letter yesterday. Gotta be bloody President for a little while.’
Surely someone accomplished in their field is better than some random Johnny crackhead?
But, we let random Johnny crackheads help decide who’s going to be the government.
If they’re fit for that responsibility, then they’re fit to be Head of State.
captain_spalding said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
captain_spalding said:
It should be like jury duty.‘Hey, Baz, wanna go fishing next weekend?’
‘Nah, can’t. Got a letter yesterday. Gotta be bloody President for a little while.’
Surely someone accomplished in their field is better than some random Johnny crackhead?
But, we let random Johnny crackheads help decide who’s going to be the government.
If they’re fit for that responsibility, then they’re fit to be Head of State.
I disagree. We let jurors decide guilt but we don’t make them judges.
Witty Rejoinder said:
captain_spalding said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Surely someone accomplished in their field is better than some random Johnny crackhead?
But, we let random Johnny crackheads help decide who’s going to be the government.
If they’re fit for that responsibility, then they’re fit to be Head of State.
I disagree. We let jurors decide guilt but we don’t make them judges.
So what would you consider to be good experience for being a governor general? A lot of them have been drawn from the military.
Witty Rejoinder said:
I disagree. We let jurors decide guilt but we don’t make them judges.
Yeah, that’s true.
The juror’s have a part in it though. Without a guilty verdict, the judge’s has no further role, the prisoner/accused is discharged, no punishment awarded.
Only after the jurors have determined guilt do they then pass the baton to the judge, to determine an appropriate punishment with regard to all of the factors in the case.
It’s the jurors who decide whether the prisoner/accused is to be punished at all.
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
captain_spalding said:But, we let random Johnny crackheads help decide who’s going to be the government.
If they’re fit for that responsibility, then they’re fit to be Head of State.
I disagree. We let jurors decide guilt but we don’t make them judges.
So what would you consider to be good experience for being a governor general? A lot of them have been drawn from the military.
Expertise and renown in any field would be my litmus test.
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
captain_spalding said:But, we let random Johnny crackheads help decide who’s going to be the government.
If they’re fit for that responsibility, then they’re fit to be Head of State.
I disagree. We let jurors decide guilt but we don’t make them judges.
So what would you consider to be good experience for being a governor general? A lot of them have been drawn from the military.
I dunno. that’s why i suggest a random ballot. Let’s see how well a tyre fitter does in the role, or a plastics fabricator, or a childcare worker, or a stay-at-home mum.
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:I disagree. We let jurors decide guilt but we don’t make them judges.
So what would you consider to be good experience for being a governor general? A lot of them have been drawn from the military.
Expertise and renown in any field would be my litmus test.
So would someone who won a footrace qualify?
btm said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:So what would you consider to be good experience for being a governor general? A lot of them have been drawn from the military.
Expertise and renown in any field would be my litmus test.
So would someone who won a footrace qualify?
I won a footrace once!
captain_spalding said:
btm said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Expertise and renown in any field would be my litmus test.
So would someone who won a footrace qualify?
I won a footrace once!
11112
“Leaving the cathedral at 5pm BMT (2am AEST), a hearse will carry the Queen’s coffin to the airport. Thousands of people are expected to line the route.”
https://www.9news.com.au/world/operation-unicorn-what-happens-over-next-days-week-queen-funeral-plans/52ce6e32-30b1-4964-af3e-c1d93541f96b
BMT???
btm said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:So what would you consider to be good experience for being a governor general? A lot of them have been drawn from the military.
Expertise and renown in any field would be my litmus test.
So would someone who won a footrace qualify?
Every second AotY is an athlete so probably.
dv said:
“Leaving the cathedral at 5pm BMT (2am AEST), a hearse will carry the Queen’s coffin to the airport. Thousands of people are expected to line the route.”https://www.9news.com.au/world/operation-unicorn-what-happens-over-next-days-week-queen-funeral-plans/52ce6e32-30b1-4964-af3e-c1d93541f96b
BMT???
British Monarch Time.
dv said:
“Leaving the cathedral at 5pm BMT (2am AEST), a hearse will carry the Queen’s coffin to the airport. Thousands of people are expected to line the route.”https://www.9news.com.au/world/operation-unicorn-what-happens-over-next-days-week-queen-funeral-plans/52ce6e32-30b1-4964-af3e-c1d93541f96b
BMT???
Biel Mean Time (BMT) is another invention of Swatch.
Bacon Mushroom and Tomato
dv said:
So what would you consider to be good experience for being a governor general? A lot of them have been drawn from the military.
Question was not addressed to me but I’ll give it a go…
Military
Legal Profession
Civil Service
Diplomatic Service
Social or charitable services.
Srsly though there are quite a few countries in the world that have the Head of Government = Head of State. It can be done.
Or alternatively just have a council like Switzerland…
Witty Rejoinder said:
btm said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Expertise and renown in any field would be my litmus test.
So would someone who won a footrace qualify?
Every second AotY is an athlete so probably.
I was thinking specifically of John Landy, who was Governor of Victoria for a few years. He was famous for winning a footrace.
btm said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
btm said:So would someone who won a footrace qualify?
Every second AotY is an athlete so probably.
I was thinking specifically of John Landy, who was Governor of Victoria for a few years. He was famous for winning a footrace.
I guess they overlooked his science degree.
btm said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
btm said:So would someone who won a footrace qualify?
Every second AotY is an athlete so probably.
I was thinking specifically of John Landy, who was Governor of Victoria for a few years. He was famous for winning a footrace.
Presumably he hasn’t been in retirement since then.
Witty Rejoinder said:
btm said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Every second AotY is an athlete so probably.
I was thinking specifically of John Landy, who was Governor of Victoria for a few years. He was famous for winning a footrace.
Presumably he hasn’t been in retirement since then.
He died earlier this year. And I was being a bit cynical; as dv noted, he had a science degree, and had done quite a bit more than win a race (he was the second person to run a four-minute mile (after Roger Bannistar), for instance.)
Witty Rejoinder said:
btm said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Expertise and renown in any field would be my litmus test.
So would someone who won a footrace qualify?
Every second AotY is an athlete so probably.
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Milan Milojevic
11 September at 16:40 ·
The day the Queen met my mother…
live:Those viewing Queen Elizabeth II’s casket will get numbered wristbands, with 7km queue expected around Westminster — live updates
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-09-14/live-updates-queen-elizabeth-ii-dies-coffin-procession-london/101436684
sarahs mum said:
LOLOLOLOL
Didn’t see that one coming.
:)
dv said:
live:Those viewing Queen Elizabeth II’s casket will get numbered wristbands, with 7km queue expected around Westminster — live updateshttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-09-14/live-updates-queen-elizabeth-ii-dies-coffin-procession-london/101436684
Apparently they are live streaming inside the coffin to see if anything is going on
Cymek said:
Apparently they are live streaming inside the coffin to see if anything is going on
They could leave the camera live streaming for years for die hard fans.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Cymek said:
Apparently they are live streaming inside the coffin to see if anything is going on
They could leave the camera live streaming for years for die hard fans.
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SCIENCE said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Cymek said:
Apparently they are live streaming inside the coffin to see if anything is going on
They could leave the camera live streaming for years for die hard fans.
subscribe
Tamb said:
SCIENCE said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
They could leave the camera live streaming for years for die hard fans.
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Better not. Phil might want to celebrate her arrival.
Pixelate¡ PIXELATE¡
dv said:
live:Those viewing Queen Elizabeth II’s casket will get numbered wristbands, with 7km queue expected around Westminster — live updateshttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-09-14/live-updates-queen-elizabeth-ii-dies-coffin-procession-london/101436684
You are not going to do the four minute kilometre in a queue.
More likely they’ll do the kilometre in around the 45 minute mark at best.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-09-14/queen-elizabeth-death-indigenous-australia-analysis/101434952
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
live:Those viewing Queen Elizabeth II’s casket will get numbered wristbands, with 7km queue expected around Westminster — live updateshttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-09-14/live-updates-queen-elizabeth-ii-dies-coffin-procession-london/101436684
You are not going to do the four minute kilometre in a queue.
More likely they’ll do the kilometre in around the 45 minute mark at best.
I hope they keep that thing moving.
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
live:Those viewing Queen Elizabeth II’s casket will get numbered wristbands, with 7km queue expected around Westminster — live updateshttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-09-14/live-updates-queen-elizabeth-ii-dies-coffin-procession-london/101436684
You are not going to do the four minute kilometre in a queue.
More likely they’ll do the kilometre in around the 45 minute mark at best.
I hope they keep that thing moving.
…with “Move along… Move along…. Nothing to see here….. Move along”
Woodie said:
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:You are not going to do the four minute kilometre in a queue.
More likely they’ll do the kilometre in around the 45 minute mark at best.
I hope they keep that thing moving.
…with “Move along… Move along…. Nothing to see here….. Move along”
LOL
Michael V said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-09-14/queen-elizabeth-death-indigenous-australia-analysis/101434952
this is absolutely being echoed in other parts of the world.. Bezos got his arse kicked after he commented on a post expressing similar sentiments.. of course a rich white guy upset when someone calls out the ruling class is vanilla.
King Charles III fed up with leaking pens at Northern Ireland’s Hillsborough Castle ceremony
https://amp.abc.net.au/article/101437008
…
He’s a pensioner so allowed to be grumpy…
Witty Rejoinder said:
King Charles III fed up with leaking pens at Northern Ireland’s Hillsborough Castle ceremonyhttps://amp.abc.net.au/article/101437008
…
He’s a pensioner so allowed to be grumpy…
there is a meme in that one.
sarahs mum said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
King Charles III fed up with leaking pens at Northern Ireland’s Hillsborough Castle ceremonyhttps://amp.abc.net.au/article/101437008
…
He’s a pensioner so allowed to be grumpy…
there is a meme in that one.
Hah. It even looks like Doge dog.
dv said:
live:Those viewing Queen Elizabeth II’s casket will get numbered wristbands, with 7km queue expected around Westminster — live updateshttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-09-14/live-updates-queen-elizabeth-ii-dies-coffin-procession-london/101436684
They could get more people to view if they moved the casket past the people, rather than the people past the casket. If that is what they want. I presume this is not an open casket viewing?
buffy said:
dv said:
live:Those viewing Queen Elizabeth II’s casket will get numbered wristbands, with 7km queue expected around Westminster — live updateshttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-09-14/live-updates-queen-elizabeth-ii-dies-coffin-procession-london/101436684
They could get more people to view if they moved the casket past the people, rather than the people past the casket. If that is what they want. I presume this is not an open casket viewing?
Queuing for kilometres to see a blinking box, mad people.
Bubblecar said:
buffy said:
dv said:
live:Those viewing Queen Elizabeth II’s casket will get numbered wristbands, with 7km queue expected around Westminster — live updateshttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-09-14/live-updates-queen-elizabeth-ii-dies-coffin-procession-london/101436684
They could get more people to view if they moved the casket past the people, rather than the people past the casket. If that is what they want. I presume this is not an open casket viewing?
Queuing for kilometres to see a blinking box, mad people.
^
Michael V said:
Bubblecar said:
buffy said:They could get more people to view if they moved the casket past the people, rather than the people past the casket. If that is what they want. I presume this is not an open casket viewing?
Queuing for kilometres to see a blinking box, mad people.
^
I don’t think the box is even blinking
Arts said:
Michael V said:
Bubblecar said:Queuing for kilometres to see a blinking box, mad people.
^
I don’t think the box is even blinking
It’s got a lush tapestry draped over it, and its own special lighting though.
And something I skimmed indicated the crown would be sitting on top of the casket. (Is it a casket or a coffin?)
Which is the stranger? Waiting to walk past a coffin or watching people waiting to walk past a coffin?
buffy said:
Arts said:
Michael V said:^
I don’t think the box is even blinking
It’s got a lush tapestry draped over it, and its own special lighting though.
And something I skimmed indicated the crown would be sitting on top of the casket. (Is it a casket or a coffin?)
I read that the sticker for the funeral home service was on the window when the coffin left where ever it left from and by the time it reached somewhere else the sticker had been removed.. because we cannot at any point obscure the view of the box… it’s a box…
dv said:
live:Those viewing Queen Elizabeth II’s casket will get numbered wristbands, with 7km queue expected around Westminster — live updateshttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-09-14/live-updates-queen-elizabeth-ii-dies-coffin-procession-london/101436684
The poms love queues.
Witty Rejoinder said:
King Charles III fed up with leaking pens at Northern Ireland’s Hillsborough Castle ceremonyhttps://amp.abc.net.au/article/101437008
…
He’s a pensioner so allowed to be grumpy…
He must have shit pens
here he can have one of my Artline smoove pens, smooooooth
Bubblecar said:
buffy said:
dv said:
live:Those viewing Queen Elizabeth II’s casket will get numbered wristbands, with 7km queue expected around Westminster — live updateshttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-09-14/live-updates-queen-elizabeth-ii-dies-coffin-procession-london/101436684
They could get more people to view if they moved the casket past the people, rather than the people past the casket. If that is what they want. I presume this is not an open casket viewing?
Queuing for kilometres to see a blinking box, mad people.
Maybe they can have a free donut for waiting.
Arts said:
Michael V said:
Bubblecar said:Queuing for kilometres to see a blinking box, mad people.
^
I don’t think the box is even blinking
No bling, saving power.
buffy said:
Arts said:
Michael V said:^
I don’t think the box is even blinking
It’s got a lush tapestry draped over it, and its own special lighting though.
And something I skimmed indicated the crown would be sitting on top of the casket. (Is it a casket or a coffin?)
In 2570 BC they would have built a pyramid a big one.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
King Charles III fed up with leaking pens at Northern Ireland’s Hillsborough Castle ceremonyhttps://amp.abc.net.au/article/101437008
…
He’s a pensioner so allowed to be grumpy…
He must have shit pens
here he can have one of my Artline smoove pens, smooooooth
I notice at work how many pens are just horrible to write with, not smooth flowing at all
Tau.Neutrino said:
buffy said:
Arts said:I don’t think the box is even blinking
It’s got a lush tapestry draped over it, and its own special lighting though.
And something I skimmed indicated the crown would be sitting on top of the casket. (Is it a casket or a coffin?)
In 2570 BC they would have built a pyramid a big one.
With the help of aliens
Bubblecar said:
buffy said:
dv said:
live:Those viewing Queen Elizabeth II’s casket will get numbered wristbands, with 7km queue expected around Westminster — live updateshttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-09-14/live-updates-queen-elizabeth-ii-dies-coffin-procession-london/101436684
They could get more people to view if they moved the casket past the people, rather than the people past the casket. If that is what they want. I presume this is not an open casket viewing?
Queuing for kilometres to see a blinking box, mad people.
In the future the monarch’s corpse will be on a Musk Hyperloop, able to be seen by millions of people in a quarter of an hour.
dv said:
Bubblecar said:
buffy said:They could get more people to view if they moved the casket past the people, rather than the people past the casket. If that is what they want. I presume this is not an open casket viewing?
Queuing for kilometres to see a blinking box, mad people.
In the future the monarch’s corpse will be on a Musk Hyperloop, able to be seen by millions of people in a quarter of an hour.
DV (Futurist with bar)
sarahs mum said:
Which is the stranger? Waiting to walk past a coffin or watching people waiting to walk past a coffin?
Who watches the watchmen?
Cymek said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
King Charles III fed up with leaking pens at Northern Ireland’s Hillsborough Castle ceremonyhttps://amp.abc.net.au/article/101437008
…
He’s a pensioner so allowed to be grumpy…
He must have shit pens
here he can have one of my Artline smoove pens, smooooooth
I notice at work how many pens are just horrible to write with, not smooth flowing at all
You’d think someone like CIIIR would have a pen carried by one of his batmen or something
Taxpayers are likely to foot the bill for Ben Roberts-Smith to travel to the funeral of Queen Elizabeth II after the former Australian soldier confirmed he had accepted an invitation to attend.
Buckingham Palace has invited Roberts-Smith to attend the funeral and to take part in events commemorating the life of the sovereign in recognition of his status as a winner of the Victoria Cross, along with the three other winners of Australia’s pre-eminent military honour, Keith Payne, Mark Donaldson and Daniel Keighran.
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It’s something only other vets will understand.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
King Charles III fed up with leaking pens at Northern Ireland’s Hillsborough Castle ceremonyhttps://amp.abc.net.au/article/101437008
…
He’s a pensioner so allowed to be grumpy…
He must have shit pens
here he can have one of my Artline smoove pens, smooooooth
i like an art line 70. I call it my thumbnail dipped in tar.
Because Elizabeth I was not queen of Scotland, Elizabeth II’s cypher (EIIR) was not used in Scotland generally. This is kind of similar to how James II was James VII in Scotland.
Charles is the third in both countries so the CIIIR will appear broadly in Scotland.
“I had a phone call from a man in Longreach and he said, ‘I’ve got $2,000 to spend and I want to spend it on Queen coins’.
“We’ve sold out of everything in a week.”
Mr Platts said in times of unrest and uncertainty people often looked to coins and stamps as safe havens for investment.
Seems that Prince Edward will be made Duke of Edinburgh
dv said:
Seems that Prince Edward will be made Duke of Edinburgh
Eddy of the burgh of Edin.
dv said:
Seems that Prince Edward will be made Duke of Edinburgh
It’s not like he has anything else to do.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
Seems that Prince Edward will be made Duke of Edinburgh
It’s not like he has anything else to do.
Gets a royal pardon ?
the monarchy eh? where you can be a hebephile but not marry a Black woman…
Cymek said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
Seems that Prince Edward will be made Duke of Edinburgh
It’s not like he has anything else to do.
Gets a royal pardon ?
You’re thinking of Andrew.
Bubblecar said:
Cymek said:
captain_spalding said:It’s not like he has anything else to do.
Gets a royal pardon ?
You’re thinking of Andrew.
For that, Trump would have to become King.
Arts said:
the monarchy eh? where you can be a hebephile but not marry a Black woman…
Arts said:
the monarchy eh? where you can be a hebephile but not marry a Black woman…
Only 45 years ago where they required a virgin. Hence no Camilla circa 1975.
Bubblecar said:
Cymek said:
captain_spalding said:It’s not like he has anything else to do.
Gets a royal pardon ?
You’re thinking of Andrew.
YEs, sorry
roughbarked said:
Bubblecar said:
Cymek said:Gets a royal pardon ?
You’re thinking of Andrew.
For that, Trump would have to become King.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
Bubblecar said:You’re thinking of Andrew.
For that, Trump would have to become King.
I mean, that picture is Trump looking at himself in a mirror and seeing the reflection of himself as a king.. I’m ok with people dreaming about amazing things for themselves…
Arts said:
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:For that, Trump would have to become King.
I mean, that picture is Trump looking at himself in a mirror and seeing the reflection of himself as a king.. I’m ok with people dreaming about amazing things for themselves…
The problem with Trump is that he tries to make his fantasies everyone else’s reality.
Arts said:
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:For that, Trump would have to become King.
I mean, that picture is Trump looking at himself in a mirror and seeing the reflection of himself as a king.. I’m ok with people dreaming about amazing things for themselves…
He was practicing the power of manifestation.
captain_spalding said:
Arts said:
captain_spalding said:
I mean, that picture is Trump looking at himself in a mirror and seeing the reflection of himself as a king.. I’m ok with people dreaming about amazing things for themselves…
The problem with Trump is that he tries to make his fantasies everyone else’s reality.
and very problematic it is.
In the Channel Islands, the British monarch holds the title Duke of Normandy.
The Islands are the last parts of the former Duchy of Normandy held by England so I suppose it makes sense.
Queen Elizabeth II’s personal wealth was estimated to be more than $734 million before her death.
But getting an exact figure on the late monarch’s wealth is difficult, because it comes from a combination of public and private assets.
Unlike other families in the United Kingdom, senior royals don’t have to make their wills public — so it’s likely we will never know exactly how much she was worth.
roughbarked said:
Queen Elizabeth II’s personal wealth was estimated to be more than $734 million before her death.But getting an exact figure on the late monarch’s wealth is difficult, because it comes from a combination of public and private assets.
Unlike other families in the United Kingdom, senior royals don’t have to make their wills public — so it’s likely we will never know exactly how much she was worth.
Primitive societies love pretty baubles
Elizabeth Tailboys, 4th Baroness Tailboys of Kyme (c. 1520 – c. April 1563) was the daughter of Elizabeth Blount and Gilbert Tailboys, 1st Baron Tailboys of Kyme, and the second wife of Ambrose Dudley, 3rd Earl of Warwick. Through her mother she was a half-sister of Henry FitzRoy, 1st Duke of Richmond and Somerset, the only illegitimate child acknowledged by Henry VIII, King of England.
Some of these people have funny names
dv said:
Elizabeth Tailboys, 4th Baroness Tailboys of Kyme (c. 1520 – c. April 1563) was the daughter of Elizabeth Blount and Gilbert Tailboys, 1st Baron Tailboys of Kyme, and the second wife of Ambrose Dudley, 3rd Earl of Warwick. Through her mother she was a half-sister of Henry FitzRoy, 1st Duke of Richmond and Somerset, the only illegitimate child acknowledged by Henry VIII, King of England.Some of these people have funny names
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tailboys
Speaking of letters patent I was wondering about the specifics of the rules that meant Harry’s kids are now Prince(ss).
In the same year that he adopted the name Windsor (1917), George V issued letters patent modifying who could be called a P and HRH.:
Children of the sovereign
Children of a son of the sovereign
Eldest living son of the eldest son of the Prince of Wales.
Queen Elizabeth expanded this somewhat in 2012 such that all children of the eldest son of the Prince of Wales shall be princes/princesses and HRH.
dv said:
Speaking of letters patent I was wondering about the specifics of the rules that meant Harry’s kids are now Prince(ss).In the same year that he adopted the name Windsor (1917), George V issued letters patent modifying who could be called a P and HRH.:
Children of the sovereign
Children of a son of the sovereign
Eldest living son of the eldest son of the Prince of Wales.Queen Elizabeth expanded this somewhat in 2012 such that all children of the eldest son of the Prince of Wales shall be princes/princesses and HRH.
Yet when you tell the fans that “royalty” is all made-up bullshit, they don’t believe you.
dv said:
Don’t be so harsh, he just “misspoke”.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Don’t be so harsh, he just “misspoke”.
Ssssssssssire
An Ode to King Charles the Third | Sammy J S.J. Paterson returns with a tribute to our new ruler
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AExPYUB8×90
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-62906580
Camping on concrete: My 30-hour wait to see Queen’s coffin
___
wow
dv said:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-62906580Camping on concrete: My 30-hour wait to see Queen’s coffin
___
wow
Wanted to see it before the Cairo Natural Museum acquired it.
The UK title Duke of Albany was discontinued in 1919 due to the then Duke, the British-born Charles Edward, siding very much with Germany in World War One. Prior to that he had been a British Prince, due to being Victoria’s male line grandson, as well as holding various titles such as Earl of Clarence, which were all stripped from him. His German duchy was also abolished in 1918, along with all other noble and royal German titles. He joined the Nazi party good and early in 1933, and rose to the rank of Obergruppenführer in the Brownshirts, and was a member of the Reichstag for 12 years representing the Nazis up until 1945. He was imprisoned after the war and much of his property was seized by the Soviet Union. He was released and he moved to Bavaria, where he died in 1954. His grandson Carl XVI Gustaf later became King of Sweden.
The other dukedom abolition by the Titles Deprivation Act 1917 was that of Cumberland and Teviotdale, held at the time by the German born Ernest Augustus. Ernest was the male line great grandson of George III. He also lost the title Prince and HRH. Sadly he died in 1923, too soon to become a Nazi.
Dark Orange said:
dv said:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-62906580Camping on concrete: My 30-hour wait to see Queen’s coffin
___
wow
Wanted to see it before the Cairo Natural Museum acquired it.
heh
dv said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Don’t be so harsh, he just “misspoke”.
Ssssssssssire
so actually they support the republic
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
Bubblecar said:Don’t be so harsh, he just “misspoke”.
Ssssssssssire
so actually they support the republic
Fear will keep the local systems in line
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
dv said:Ssssssssssire
so actually they support the republic
Fear will keep the local systems in line
Heh.
sarahs mum said:
ROFL
No going home to sleep?
Coming back straight after sleep?
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:
live:Those viewing Queen Elizabeth II’s casket will get numbered wristbands, with 7km queue expected around Westminster — live updateshttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-09-14/live-updates-queen-elizabeth-ii-dies-coffin-procession-london/101436684
The poms love queues.
like i said
sarahs mum said:
Just another example of how the British can make events of this magnitude look so effortless, whereas the Americans could never do anything similar with such sang-froid.
Can you imagine such a Queue in e.g. Washington DC? It’d take four battalions of National Guard just to stop them from killing each other. There’d be sirens and helicopters and people squawking non-stop about their ‘Constitutional rights’, and people waving enormous flags, and possibly wearing horns on their heads, and litter half-a-metre deep.
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
ROFL
There’s always something to smile about I suppose
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
ROFL
That nude photographer who does mass nudes.
A nude queue maybe.?
150 km circle nude queue?
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:
Just another example of how the British can make events of this magnitude look so effortless, whereas the Americans could never do anything similar with such sang-froid.
Can you imagine such a Queue in e.g. Washington DC? It’d take four battalions of National Guard just to stop them from killing each other. There’d be sirens and helicopters and people squawking non-stop about their ‘Constitutional rights’, and people waving enormous flags, and possibly wearing horns on their heads, and litter half-a-metre deep.
I mean in Georgia people sometimes queue for 5 hours just to vote
dv said:
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:
Just another example of how the British can make events of this magnitude look so effortless, whereas the Americans could never do anything similar with such sang-froid.
Can you imagine such a Queue in e.g. Washington DC? It’d take four battalions of National Guard just to stop them from killing each other. There’d be sirens and helicopters and people squawking non-stop about their ‘Constitutional rights’, and people waving enormous flags, and possibly wearing horns on their heads, and litter half-a-metre deep.
I mean in Georgia people sometimes queue for 5 hours just to vote
Georgia the State or the Country?
Meanwhile the Express…
Queue Tracker LIVE: Heartbreak as 3.5 mile line could close on Saturday- where to find end
Queues to see Queen Elizabeth II Lying-in-State could be up to 30 hours long as mourners descend on central London.
Thousands of people could be left disappointed as the line to see the Queen Lying-in-State could be cut off as early as Saturday night. Hundreds of thousands of people have flocked to the capital to see the Queen’s coffin in Westminster Hall, with the seven-mile line to be extended by a further three miles due to popular demand and the doors open 24 hours a day.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1669439/Queen-tracker-live-lying-in-state-queue-time-find-end-westminster-hall
dv said:
I mean in Georgia people sometimes queue for 5 hours just to vote
Well, that’s even more futile. According to some sources, it doesn’t matter how you vote, the Democrats just fudge the results anyway.
or… nude queues at night?
sibeen said:
dv said:
captain_spalding said:Just another example of how the British can make events of this magnitude look so effortless, whereas the Americans could never do anything similar with such sang-froid.
Can you imagine such a Queue in e.g. Washington DC? It’d take four battalions of National Guard just to stop them from killing each other. There’d be sirens and helicopters and people squawking non-stop about their ‘Constitutional rights’, and people waving enormous flags, and possibly wearing horns on their heads, and litter half-a-metre deep.
I mean in Georgia people sometimes queue for 5 hours just to vote
Georgia the State or the Country?
I did mean the State
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:
Just another example of how the British can make events of this magnitude look so effortless, whereas the Americans could never do anything similar with such sang-froid.
Can you imagine such a Queue in e.g. Washington DC? It’d take four battalions of National Guard just to stop them from killing each other. There’d be sirens and helicopters and people squawking non-stop about their ‘Constitutional rights’, and people waving enormous flags, and possibly wearing horns on their heads, and litter half-a-metre deep.
I suppose there is no event in equivilance for Australia. I’d like to see some democracy sausages deployed were there ever was one though.
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:
Just another example of how the British can make events of this magnitude look so effortless, whereas the Americans could never do anything similar with such sang-froid.
Can you imagine such a Queue in e.g. Washington DC? It’d take four battalions of National Guard just to stop them from killing each other. There’d be sirens and helicopters and people squawking non-stop about their ‘Constitutional rights’, and people waving enormous flags, and possibly wearing horns on their heads, and litter half-a-metre deep.
In most sensible countries people would just be able to book a time, get some sort of ticket, and show up at their scheduled time.
dv said:
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
ROFL
There’s always something to smile about I suppose
cue joke referencing Desmond Wilkinson
dv said:
sibeen said:
dv said:I mean in Georgia people sometimes queue for 5 hours just to vote
Georgia the State or the Country?
I did mean the State
as in sovereign state then
They’ve got metal detectors in the anteroom to the coffin…
Do they think someone is going to rekill her?
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:
Just another example of how the British can make events of this magnitude look so effortless, whereas the Americans could never do anything similar with such sang-froid.
Can you imagine such a Queue in e.g. Washington DC? It’d take four battalions of National Guard just to stop them from killing each other. There’d be sirens and helicopters and people squawking non-stop about their ‘Constitutional rights’, and people waving enormous flags, and possibly wearing horns on their heads, and litter half-a-metre deep.
In most sensible countries people would just be able to book a time, get some sort of ticket, and show up at their scheduled time.
with a queue there is a sense of being part of something. you share anecdotes and comment on the weather and such like.
dv said:
They’ve got metal detectors in the anteroom to the coffin…Do they think someone is going to rekill her?
They had snipers on rooftops along the procession route.
No Royal zombies tolerated. One shot to the head.
ChrispenEvan said:
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:
Just another example of how the British can make events of this magnitude look so effortless, whereas the Americans could never do anything similar with such sang-froid.
Can you imagine such a Queue in e.g. Washington DC? It’d take four battalions of National Guard just to stop them from killing each other. There’d be sirens and helicopters and people squawking non-stop about their ‘Constitutional rights’, and people waving enormous flags, and possibly wearing horns on their heads, and litter half-a-metre deep.
In most sensible countries people would just be able to book a time, get some sort of ticket, and show up at their scheduled time.
with a queue there is a sense of being part of something. you share anecdotes and comment on the weather and such like.
we mean sure having serial numbers tattooed on your arm builds a sense of belonging as well
HM the Q’s coffin is lead-lined, apparently.
Never knew she was radioactive.
ChrispenEvan said:
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:Just another example of how the British can make events of this magnitude look so effortless, whereas the Americans could never do anything similar with such sang-froid.
Can you imagine such a Queue in e.g. Washington DC? It’d take four battalions of National Guard just to stop them from killing each other. There’d be sirens and helicopters and people squawking non-stop about their ‘Constitutional rights’, and people waving enormous flags, and possibly wearing horns on their heads, and litter half-a-metre deep.
In most sensible countries people would just be able to book a time, get some sort of ticket, and show up at their scheduled time.
with a queue there is a sense of being part of something. you share anecdotes and comment on the weather and such like.
yeah, sure.
Boss lady suggests that the advent of Chuck on the coins and note will finally lead to a cashless society.
party_pants said:
ChrispenEvan said:
party_pants said:In most sensible countries people would just be able to book a time, get some sort of ticket, and show up at their scheduled time.
with a queue there is a sense of being part of something. you share anecdotes and comment on the weather and such like.
yeah, sure.
you have to be in the queue to understand the queue.
dv said:
Boss lady suggests that the advent of Chuck on the coins and note will finally lead to a cashless society.
I think it will make no difference.
party_pants said:
dv said:
Boss lady suggests that the advent of Chuck on the coins and note will finally lead to a cashless society.
I think it will make no difference.
As long as politicians, police officers, and the like take bribes, there will be cash.
ChrispenEvan said:
party_pants said:
ChrispenEvan said:with a queue there is a sense of being part of something. you share anecdotes and comment on the weather and such like.
yeah, sure.
you have to be in the queue to understand the queue.
I much prefer the “take a ticket and take a seat” approach myself, rather than standing in a queue. I don’t like queues generally.
ChrispenEvan said:
party_pants said:
ChrispenEvan said:with a queue there is a sense of being part of something. you share anecdotes and comment on the weather and such like.
yeah, sure.
you have to be in the queue to understand the queue.
The near queue?
party_pants said:
ChrispenEvan said:
party_pants said:yeah, sure.
you have to be in the queue to understand the queue.
I much prefer the “take a ticket and take a seat” approach myself, rather than standing in a queue. I don’t like queues generally.
the poms don’t like them either if you listen to the comments of the queuees. they only say the like them when they aren’t actually in one.
Woodie said:
ChrispenEvan said:
party_pants said:yeah, sure.
you have to be in the queue to understand the queue.
The near queue?
far queue.
Woodie said:
ChrispenEvan said:
party_pants said:yeah, sure.
you have to be in the queue to understand the queue.
The near queue?
Heh
ChrispenEvan said:
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:Just another example of how the British can make events of this magnitude look so effortless, whereas the Americans could never do anything similar with such sang-froid.
Can you imagine such a Queue in e.g. Washington DC? It’d take four battalions of National Guard just to stop them from killing each other. There’d be sirens and helicopters and people squawking non-stop about their ‘Constitutional rights’, and people waving enormous flags, and possibly wearing horns on their heads, and litter half-a-metre deep.
In most sensible countries people would just be able to book a time, get some sort of ticket, and show up at their scheduled time.
with a queue there is a sense of being part of something. you share anecdotes and comment on the weather and such like.
sounds like hell to me
party_pants said:
ChrispenEvan said:
party_pants said:yeah, sure.
you have to be in the queue to understand the queue.
I much prefer the “take a ticket and take a seat” approach myself, rather than standing in a queue. I don’t like queues generally.
Logistical nightmare managing a ticketing system though. Who makes sure you’re in the correct order, where do people wait when they arrive early etc…
Arts said:
ChrispenEvan said:
party_pants said:In most sensible countries people would just be able to book a time, get some sort of ticket, and show up at their scheduled time.
with a queue there is a sense of being part of something. you share anecdotes and comment on the weather and such like.
sounds like hell to me
this is why the poms had an empire and the aussies never did.
ChrispenEvan said:
the poms don’t like them either if you listen to the comments of the queuees. they only say the like them when they aren’t actually in one.
Someone told me a story of a bus queue in London, in the late 70s. Everyone waiting patiently, including a tall punk, with spiked orange hair, multiple piercings, boots, studded accessories, chains, everything.
A very small old lady in the queue ahead of him, the very picture of the rosy-cheeked granny, turned and asked ‘can you please tell me the time?’
The punk consulted his watch and said ‘it’s ten to three’.
‘Thank you very much’ she said.
‘You’re quite welcome’, he said.
‘It was the most English thing i’ve ever seen’ said my friend.
sarahs mum said:
Nah, not “deeply mad”, just stupid and backward.
Witty Rejoinder said:
party_pants said:
ChrispenEvan said:you have to be in the queue to understand the queue.
I much prefer the “take a ticket and take a seat” approach myself, rather than standing in a queue. I don’t like queues generally.
Logistical nightmare managing a ticketing system though. Who makes sure you’re in the correct order, where do people wait when they arrive early etc…
well, you form an orderly queue…
ChrispenEvan said:
Arts said:
ChrispenEvan said:with a queue there is a sense of being part of something. you share anecdotes and comment on the weather and such like.
sounds like hell to me
this is why the poms had an empire and the aussies never did.
I’m also ok with that…
Arts said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Arts said:sounds like hell to me
this is why the poms had an empire and the aussies never did.
I’m also ok with that…
I don’t know, no ambition.
ChrispenEvan said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
party_pants said:I much prefer the “take a ticket and take a seat” approach myself, rather than standing in a queue. I don’t like queues generally.
Logistical nightmare managing a ticketing system though. Who makes sure you’re in the correct order, where do people wait when they arrive early etc…
well, you form an orderly queue…
it’s like the big waiting room at the specialist medical appointment.. then your name is called and you wait n the smaller waiting room without only a gown and curtain rings between you and humiliation…
sarahs mum said:
LOLOLOLOL
Arts said:
…and you wait n the smaller waiting room without only a gown and curtain rings between you and humiliation…
That sort of thing never bothers me.
Humiliation and me are old acquaintances.
ChrispenEvan said:
Arts said:
ChrispenEvan said:this is why the poms had an empire and the aussies never did.
I’m also ok with that…
I don’t know, no ambition.
as a first generation Australian I can say meh, I have no ties no loyalty no fucks to give.. if the chinese take over I’ll learn how to make sizzling beef and blackbean sauce…
ChrispenEvan said:
Arts said:
ChrispenEvan said:with a queue there is a sense of being part of something. you share anecdotes and comment on the weather and such like.
sounds like hell to me
this is why the poms had an empire and the aussies never did.
Future Kings get sent to Geelong for life experience with western district boys. I think you’ve got it arse about.
Tau.Neutrino said:
The World’s Most Famous and Longest Queues
Witty Rejoinder said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Arts said:sounds like hell to me
this is why the poms had an empire and the aussies never did.
Future Kings get sent to Geelong for life experience with western district boys. I think you’ve got it arse about.
Gee, long queue
How do they know the queen is actually in the box?
Arts said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Arts said:I’m also ok with that…
I don’t know, no ambition.
as a first generation Australian I can say meh, I have no ties no loyalty no fucks to give.. if the chinese take over I’ll learn how to make sizzling beef and blackbean sauce…
I didn’t even know you’re a FGA
ChrispenEvan said:
How do they know the queen is actually in the box?
as someone pointed out to me today. we mourn her departure on the Thursday, then her birthday is on the Monday… so she’s almost as good as Jesus…
ChrispenEvan said:
How do they know the queen is actually in the box?
We’ll have to ask Schrodinger
dv said:
Arts said:
ChrispenEvan said:I don’t know, no ambition.
as a first generation Australian I can say meh, I have no ties no loyalty no fucks to give.. if the chinese take over I’ll learn how to make sizzling beef and blackbean sauce…
I didn’t even know you’re a FGA
I’m full of surprises.
Arts said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Arts said:sounds like hell to me
this is why the poms had an empire and the aussies never did.
I’m also ok with that…
+1
we haven’t run out of resources yet
party_pants said:
Arts said:
ChrispenEvan said:this is why the poms had an empire and the aussies never did.
I’m also ok with that…
+1
we haven’t run out of resources yet
i wonder how the gas situation over east is going…
ChrispenEvan said:
party_pants said:
Arts said:I’m also ok with that…
+1
we haven’t run out of resources yet
i wonder how the gas situation over east is going…
off with their heads..
Various things about the English make me cringe, but none more so than this “We’re so loveably bonkers!” posture.
Intelligent Indians, for example, don’t extol the endless queues to see the shiva lingam as evidence of how delightfully eccentric they are, they see it as evidence of being stupid and backward.
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
ChrispenEvan said:
this is why the poms had an empire and the aussies never did.
Future Kings get sent to Geelong for life experience with western district boys. I think you’ve got it arse about.
Gee, long queue
was it shaped
like this
it will be interesting to see how the covid numbers go over the next few weeks
Arts said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Logistical nightmare managing a ticketing system though. Who makes sure you’re in the correct order, where do people wait when they arrive early etc…
well, you form an orderly queue…
it’s like the big waiting room at the specialist medical appointment.. then your name is called and you wait n the smaller waiting room without only a gown and curtain rings between you and humiliation…
fk we still remember when people would be told to organise themselves say in alphabetical order of surname or something and somehow they’d actually be able to do it damn
ChrispenEvan said:
Woodie said:
ChrispenEvan said:you have to be in the queue to understand the queue.
The near queue?
far queue.
cough
Arts said:
it will be interesting to see how the covid numbers go over the next few weeks
we thought one they stopped reliable reporting anyway and two isn’t the queue outside where the risks are correspondingly like 20 times less
SCIENCE said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Woodie said:The near queue?
far queue.
cough
*sings
fach
Arts said:
dv said:
Arts said:as a first generation Australian I can say meh, I have no ties no loyalty no fucks to give.. if the chinese take over I’ll learn how to make sizzling beef and blackbean sauce…
I didn’t even know you’re a FGA
I’m full of surprises.
So where were your parents from, if I might ask?
Bubblecar said:
Various things about the English make me cringe, but none more so than this “We’re so loveably bonkers!” posture.Intelligent Indians, for example, don’t extol the endless queues to see the shiva lingam as evidence of how delightfully eccentric they are, they see it as evidence of being stupid and backward.
A financial drain on the taxpayer.
They walk around greet people, go home to servants.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Bubblecar said:
Various things about the English make me cringe, but none more so than this “We’re so loveably bonkers!” posture.Intelligent Indians, for example, don’t extol the endless queues to see the shiva lingam as evidence of how delightfully eccentric they are, they see it as evidence of being stupid and backward.
A financial drain on the taxpayer.
They walk around greet people, go home to servants.
They collect resources which would be better off elsewhere in technology.
dv said:
Arts said:
dv said:I didn’t even know you’re a FGA
I’m full of surprises.
So where were your parents from, if I might ask?
my mum is Yugoslav (Croatian) my dad was German, they were both born in the last couple of years of the war and were sent to Australia (separately) to make a better life for themselves at 18 years old… then they met and married and both families were appalled .. and that’s the story of how I came to be a first generation Australian of two European backgrounds with no extended family and little cultural exposure to either…
dv said:
Arts said:
dv said:I didn’t even know you’re a FGA
I’m full of surprises.
So where were your parents from, if I might ask?
my mum is Yugoslav (Croatian) my dad was German, they were both born in the last couple of years of the war and were sent to Australia (separately) to make a better life for themselves at 18 years old… then they met and married and both families were appalled .. and that’s the story of how I came to be a first generation Australian of two European backgrounds with no extended family and little cultural exposure to either…
Arts said:
dv said:
Arts said:I’m full of surprises.
So where were your parents from, if I might ask?
my mum is Yugoslav (Croatian) my dad was German, they were both born in the last couple of years of the war and were sent to Australia (separately) to make a better life for themselves at 18 years old… then they met and married and both families were appalled .. and that’s the story of how I came to be a first generation Australian of two European backgrounds with no extended family and little cultural exposure to either…
Very interesting
Arts said:
dv said:
Arts said:I’m full of surprises.
So where were your parents from, if I might ask?
my mum is Yugoslav (Croatian) my dad was German, they were both born in the last couple of years of the war and were sent to Australia (separately) to make a better life for themselves at 18 years old… then they met and married and both families were appalled .. and that’s the story of how I came to be a first generation Australian of two European backgrounds with no extended family and little cultural exposure to either…
you’re OK though.
SCIENCE said:
genetics. mum was 95 and dad 94.
SCIENCE said:
Well that’s a bit weak … just show up and roll them
ChrispenEvan said:
Arts said:
dv said:So where were your parents from, if I might ask?
my mum is Yugoslav (Croatian) my dad was German, they were both born in the last couple of years of the war and were sent to Australia (separately) to make a better life for themselves at 18 years old… then they met and married and both families were appalled .. and that’s the story of how I came to be a first generation Australian of two European backgrounds with no extended family and little cultural exposure to either…
you’re OK though.
Yes, I think Australia is the net beneficiary in this.
party_pants said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Arts said:my mum is Yugoslav (Croatian) my dad was German, they were both born in the last couple of years of the war and were sent to Australia (separately) to make a better life for themselves at 18 years old… then they met and married and both families were appalled .. and that’s the story of how I came to be a first generation Australian of two European backgrounds with no extended family and little cultural exposure to either…
you’re OK though.
Yes, I think Australia is the net beneficiary in this.
thank you both. I have the attitude of a German who ate the heart of a Croatian .. it’s done me ok in this life… I’m not complaining.
ChrispenEvan said:
Arts said:
dv said:So where were your parents from, if I might ask?
my mum is Yugoslav (Croatian) my dad was German, they were both born in the last couple of years of the war and were sent to Australia (separately) to make a better life for themselves at 18 years old… then they met and married and both families were appalled .. and that’s the story of how I came to be a first generation Australian of two European backgrounds with no extended family and little cultural exposure to either…
you’re OK though.
Let’s not jump to any hasty conclusions. I’m still mulling it over.
Arts said:
dv said:
Arts said:I’m full of surprises.
So where were your parents from, if I might ask?
my mum is Yugoslav (Croatian) my dad was German, they were both born in the last couple of years of the war and were sent to Australia (separately) to make a better life for themselves at 18 years old… then they met and married and both families were appalled .. and that’s the story of how I came to be a first generation Australian of two European backgrounds with no extended family and little cultural exposure to either…
I would have had more exposure to Ukrainian culture if we’d stayed in England, where Dad had a lot of Ukrainian friends, some of whom he’d known since before arriving in England.
He didn’t get involved much in the Oz Ukrainian community, probably because he didn’t know anyone and wasn’t much of a social butterfly.
Arts said:
party_pants said:
ChrispenEvan said:you’re OK though.
Yes, I think Australia is the net beneficiary in this.
thank you both. I have the attitude of a German who ate the heart of a Croatian .. it’s done me ok in this life… I’m not complaining.
good job you got the croation sense of humour…
Bubblecar said:
Arts said:
dv said:So where were your parents from, if I might ask?
my mum is Yugoslav (Croatian) my dad was German, they were both born in the last couple of years of the war and were sent to Australia (separately) to make a better life for themselves at 18 years old… then they met and married and both families were appalled .. and that’s the story of how I came to be a first generation Australian of two European backgrounds with no extended family and little cultural exposure to either…
I would have had more exposure to Ukrainian culture if we’d stayed in England, where Dad had a lot of Ukrainian friends, some of whom he’d known since before arriving in England.
He didn’t get involved much in the Oz Ukrainian community, probably because he didn’t know anyone and wasn’t much of a social butterfly.
There is a Ukranian House large centre right across the road from Essendon Railway station.
sibeen said:
Bubblecar said:
Arts said:my mum is Yugoslav (Croatian) my dad was German, they were both born in the last couple of years of the war and were sent to Australia (separately) to make a better life for themselves at 18 years old… then they met and married and both families were appalled .. and that’s the story of how I came to be a first generation Australian of two European backgrounds with no extended family and little cultural exposure to either…
I would have had more exposure to Ukrainian culture if we’d stayed in England, where Dad had a lot of Ukrainian friends, some of whom he’d known since before arriving in England.
He didn’t get involved much in the Oz Ukrainian community, probably because he didn’t know anyone and wasn’t much of a social butterfly.
There is a Ukranian House large centre right across the road from Essendon Railway station.
Nice wonkey building next to it.
sibeen said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Arts said:my mum is Yugoslav (Croatian) my dad was German, they were both born in the last couple of years of the war and were sent to Australia (separately) to make a better life for themselves at 18 years old… then they met and married and both families were appalled .. and that’s the story of how I came to be a first generation Australian of two European backgrounds with no extended family and little cultural exposure to either…
you’re OK though.
Let’s not jump to any hasty conclusions. I’m still mulling it over.
well, look what the cat dragged in
Arts said:
sibeen said:
ChrispenEvan said:you’re OK though.
Let’s not jump to any hasty conclusions. I’m still mulling it over.
well, look what the cat dragged in
I don’t have a cat.
ChrispenEvan said:
SCIENCE said:
genetics. mum was 95 and dad 94.
And they were both born in the slums of… Where?
Kingy said:
ChrispenEvan said:
SCIENCE said:
genetics. mum was 95 and dad 94.
And they were both born in the slums of… Where?
England. A box on the road was the preferred housing, if I remember correctly
Life Guards, a unit of the Household Cavalry, during the ceremonial procession.
…
Must be tough swimming in that get-up..
Witty Rejoinder said:
Life Guards, a unit of the Household Cavalry, during the ceremonial procession.
…
Must be tough swimming in that get-up..
ROFL
Witty Rejoinder said:
Life Guards, a unit of the Household Cavalry, during the ceremonial procession.
…
Must be tough swimming in that get-up..
LOL
Ian said:
|NOTE: Do Not Run Until Fucking Queen Is Dead Or People Will Lose Their Shit| Queen Elizabeth Dead At 96
LOLOL
A half-third cousin twice-removed of Princess Eugenie through Thomas Coke, 2nd Earl of Leicester, Brooksbank’s great-grandfather was Sir John (Jack) Spencer Coke, a Gentleman Usher to King George VI and Extra Gentleman Usher to Queen Elizabeth II and his great-uncle was the 3rd Baron Hamilton of Dalzell.
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There’s something funny about the phrase “half-third cousin twice-removed”.
dv said:
A half-third cousin twice-removed of Princess Eugenie through Thomas Coke, 2nd Earl of Leicester, Brooksbank’s great-grandfather was Sir John (Jack) Spencer Coke, a Gentleman Usher to King George VI and Extra Gentleman Usher to Queen Elizabeth II and his great-uncle was the 3rd Baron Hamilton of Dalzell.—-
There’s something funny about the phrase “half-third cousin twice-removed”.
Coke and Whitbread, yeah that’s royalty for you.
dv said:
There’s something funny about the phrase “half-third cousin twice-removed”.
Sounds like the lotta them to me.
dv said:
It really is a fine system; we should keep it.
sibeen said:
dv said:
It really is a fine system; we should keep it.
You’re just jealous they didn’t make you Prince yet. Don’t get bitter, get better.
dv said:
sibeen said:
dv said:
It really is a fine system; we should keep it.
You’re just jealous they didn’t make you Prince yet. Don’t get bitter, get better.
I have put my name down; they’ll probably get to me eventually.
sibeen said:
dv said:
sibeen said:It really is a fine system; we should keep it.
You’re just jealous they didn’t make you Prince yet. Don’t get bitter, get better.
I have put my name down; they’ll probably get to me eventually.
You don’t need an honorific to go hang around Princes Park…
sibeen said:
dv said:
sibeen said:It really is a fine system; we should keep it.
You’re just jealous they didn’t make you Prince yet. Don’t get bitter, get better.
I have put my name down; they’ll probably get to me eventually.
Princess Sibeen VIII Jnr.
Any day now. I’m gonna order the first set of coins with your mug on them.
furious said:
sibeen said:
dv said:You’re just jealous they didn’t make you Prince yet. Don’t get bitter, get better.
I have put my name down; they’ll probably get to me eventually.
You don’t need an honorific to go hang around Princes Park…
Senior sprog used to be in the AFL female umpires squad and their training was at Princes Park. I used to drop her off and not hang around, the Great Northern Hotel was just up the road and they always had interesting beers on tap.
Æthelred the Unready married Ælfgifu of York around 980 AD.
Ælfgifu of York died around 1002, and Æthelred the Unready then married Emma of Normandy.
Cnut the Great then married a different Ælfgifu, Ælfgifu of Northampton, in around 1015.
Æthelred the Unready died in 1016. Emma of Normandy married Cnut the Great in 1017, despite Cnut already being married.
Emma of Normandy was the mother of Denmark’s King and Cnut’s son, Harthacnut, who also ruled England from 1040 to 1042, and was the last Danish King of England.
She was also the mother of Edward the Confessor, Anglo-Saxon king of England and Æthelred the Unready’s son, who ruled after Harthacnut until 1066.
As the name suggests, she was born in Normandy, daughter of Richard I of Normandy, and inasmuch was great-aunt of William the Conqueror, the first Norman king of England who ruled from 1066 to 1087.
SCIENCE said:
There is the concept that the protester is arrested for their protection.
Voicing an opinion or idea that’s probably contrary to what a lot of other people around are thinking you could, in some circumstances, provoke a violent reaction from some of them.
The ‘freedom of speech’ thing aside, the prevention of assaults and scuffles at public events is a police duty.
Perhaps best to arrest the ‘offender’ and remove him/her from the scene.
Trust the experts
King Charles will abdicate next year according to psychic who reads asparagus
https://www.devonlive.com/news/uk-world-news/king-charles-abdicate-next-year-7592703?fbclid=IwAR0Q1ltw8pPnR97cdFf7hddonOPgXOmVl7qruMERxfMDnpY_cYmGZL0UNPw
dv said:
Trust the expertsKing Charles will abdicate next year according to psychic who reads asparagus
https://www.devonlive.com/news/uk-world-news/king-charles-abdicate-next-year-7592703?fbclid=IwAR0Q1ltw8pPnR97cdFf7hddonOPgXOmVl7qruMERxfMDnpY_cYmGZL0UNPw
asparagus say anything to get attention, beware
dv said:
Trust the expertsKing Charles will abdicate next year according to psychic who reads asparagus
https://www.devonlive.com/news/uk-world-news/king-charles-abdicate-next-year-7592703?fbclid=IwAR0Q1ltw8pPnR97cdFf7hddonOPgXOmVl7qruMERxfMDnpY_cYmGZL0UNPw
They could at least have picked asparagus that weren’t broken or snail eaten for the photo.
dv said:
Trust the expertsKing Charles will abdicate next year according to psychic who reads asparagus
https://www.devonlive.com/news/uk-world-news/king-charles-abdicate-next-year-7592703?fbclid=IwAR0Q1ltw8pPnR97cdFf7hddonOPgXOmVl7qruMERxfMDnpY_cYmGZL0UNPw
If strange bints lying about in bodies of water distributing armaments is no basis for a system of government, then, equally, odd old gals sitting around staring at bits of herbaceous perennial flowering plants is no way to organise a monarchy.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
Trust the expertsKing Charles will abdicate next year according to psychic who reads asparagus
https://www.devonlive.com/news/uk-world-news/king-charles-abdicate-next-year-7592703?fbclid=IwAR0Q1ltw8pPnR97cdFf7hddonOPgXOmVl7qruMERxfMDnpY_cYmGZL0UNPw
If strange bints lying about in bodies of water distributing armaments is no basis for a system of government, then, equally, odd old gals sitting around staring at bits of herbaceous perennial flowering plants is no way to organise a monarchy.
“Madam, you have been warned about throwing up gang signs.”
When a banger comes on
https://www.facebook.com/reel/590678045755913?s=yWDuG2&fs=e
dv said:
When a banger comes on
https://www.facebook.com/reel/590678045755913?s=yWDuG2&fs=e
That’s Harry.
‘Whoops, pardon me, got a war to fight.’
I like the boy.
https://9gag.com/gag/a8qLE56?ref=android
Efficient
Queen Camilla will wear the Crown of the Queen Mother at Charles’s coronation. This contains the Koh-I-Noor.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-09-17/indians-want-kohinoor-diamond-back-from-king-charles-iii/101430400
The Queen’s grandchildren held vigil about the coffin, which made for a pleasing shape because there are 8 of them. Each of her children had two children, which is nicely organised.
dv said:
The Queen’s grandchildren held vigil about the coffin, which made for a pleasing shape because there are 8 of them. Each of her children had two children, which is nicely organised.
my mother is one of four girls and her mother is one of eight girls… each of those eight girls had four girls and each of those four girls had two girls and then my sister (the oldest of our generation) broke it by having a girl and a boy. and then I did the same…
and now it’s anarchy for everyone
Ninety minutes after Queen Elizabeth II died, orders for thousands of British flags started to flood into a factory south of Shanghai.
More than 100 employees at Shaoxing Chuangdong Tour Articles Company set aside other work and put in 14-hour days starting at 7:30am, making nothing but British-themed flags.
They turned out at least 500,000 the first week, according to general manager Fan Aiping.
Some are British flags to be carried by mourners or hung outside homes. Others show Elizabeth’s portrait and the years of her birth and death.
Workers that are wearing orange t-shirts are seen sowing British flags in a factory.
roughbarked said:
Ninety minutes after Queen Elizabeth II died, orders for thousands of British flags started to flood into a factory south of Shanghai.More than 100 employees at Shaoxing Chuangdong Tour Articles Company set aside other work and put in 14-hour days starting at 7:30am, making nothing but British-themed flags.
They turned out at least 500,000 the first week, according to general manager Fan Aiping.
Some are British flags to be carried by mourners or hung outside homes. Others show Elizabeth’s portrait and the years of her birth and death.
Workers that are wearing orange t-shirts are seen sowing British flags in a factory.
I had an Australian flag for a while, it was made in china, had it up for a while but the contradiction of that nearly crippled me, so took it down
now I fly an imaginary flag, settled on a blue singlet, i’m not quite as unsettled by where blue singlets are made, but like my singlets faded some
transition said:
roughbarked said:
Ninety minutes after Queen Elizabeth II died, orders for thousands of British flags started to flood into a factory south of Shanghai.More than 100 employees at Shaoxing Chuangdong Tour Articles Company set aside other work and put in 14-hour days starting at 7:30am, making nothing but British-themed flags.
They turned out at least 500,000 the first week, according to general manager Fan Aiping.
Some are British flags to be carried by mourners or hung outside homes. Others show Elizabeth’s portrait and the years of her birth and death.
Workers that are wearing orange t-shirts are seen sowing British flags in a factory.
I had an Australian flag for a while, it was made in china, had it up for a while but the contradiction of that nearly crippled me, so took it down
now I fly an imaginary flag, settled on a blue singlet, i’m not quite as unsettled by where blue singlets are made, but like my singlets faded some
Dark Orange said:
transition said:
roughbarked said:
Ninety minutes after Queen Elizabeth II died, orders for thousands of British flags started to flood into a factory south of Shanghai.More than 100 employees at Shaoxing Chuangdong Tour Articles Company set aside other work and put in 14-hour days starting at 7:30am, making nothing but British-themed flags.
They turned out at least 500,000 the first week, according to general manager Fan Aiping.
Some are British flags to be carried by mourners or hung outside homes. Others show Elizabeth’s portrait and the years of her birth and death.
Workers that are wearing orange t-shirts are seen sowing British flags in a factory.
I had an Australian flag for a while, it was made in china, had it up for a while but the contradiction of that nearly crippled me, so took it down
now I fly an imaginary flag, settled on a blue singlet, i’m not quite as unsettled by where blue singlets are made, but like my singlets faded some
Heavy man.
Reveals some of the Queen’s last days:
https://www.theage.com.au/world/europe/new-details-emerge-of-the-queen-s-final-days-alive-20220918-p5bixo.html
Witty Rejoinder said:
Reveals some of the Queen’s last days:https://www.theage.com.au/world/europe/new-details-emerge-of-the-queen-s-final-days-alive-20220918-p5bixo.html
She seems to be doing a lot more travelling since she died.
Peak Warming Man said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Reveals some of the Queen’s last days:https://www.theage.com.au/world/europe/new-details-emerge-of-the-queen-s-final-days-alive-20220918-p5bixo.html
She seems to be doing a lot more travelling since she died.
on her astral plane?
How Did The Rumors About Prince Harry’s Paternity Start?
Ever since the affair of Princess Diana and James Hewitt was made public, people have suggested that Hewitt could be the biological father of Prince Harry.
Conspiracy theorists often point out that both Harry and Hewitt have red hair, and also that they look basically the same. But how did the rumor really start?
RELATED: Prince Charles Haunted As Rumors Of His Infidelity With Harry’s Nanny Returns
In 1986, just two years before Harry was born, Princess Diana allegedly began an affair with James Hewitt the Horse Whisperer. The couple’s relationship reportedly lasted for five years.
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It’s hard to tell, there was a lot of clandestine rogering going on back then.
The Counsellors of State are usually the monarch’s spouse, if any, followed by the four people highest on the order of succession over the age of 21. These people can stand in for the monarch in the case of absence or illness.
So this is now Camilla, William, Harry, Andrew, Beatrice.
Harry is US based, Andrew is on the outer, and so Beatrice will probably be getting some call ups.
Peak Warming Man said:
How Did The Rumors About Prince Harry’s Paternity Start?
Ever since the affair of Princess Diana and James Hewitt was made public, people have suggested that Hewitt could be the biological father of Prince Harry.Conspiracy theorists often point out that both Harry and Hewitt have red hair, and also that they look basically the same. But how did the rumor really start?
RELATED: Prince Charles Haunted As Rumors Of His Infidelity With Harry’s Nanny Returns
In 1986, just two years before Harry was born Princess Diana allegedly began an affair with James Hewitt the Horse Whisperer. The couple’s relationship reportedly lasted for five years.
—————————————————————It’s hard to tell, there was a lot of clandestine rogering going on back then.
“In 1986, just two years before Harry was born”
Harry was born in 1984.
I see factcheckers are still in short supply.
roughbarked said:
Ninety minutes after Queen Elizabeth II died, orders for thousands of British flags started to flood into a factory south of Shanghai.More than 100 employees at Shaoxing Chuangdong Tour Articles Company set aside other work and put in 14-hour days starting at 7:30am, making nothing but British-themed flags.
They turned out at least 500,000 the first week, according to general manager Fan Aiping.
Some are British flags to be carried by mourners or hung outside homes. Others show Elizabeth’s portrait and the years of her birth and death.
Workers that are wearing orange t-shirts are seen sowing British flags in a factory.
I presume the sewing aspect would just be putting the fittings along the side that goes next to the pole (it’s probably got a real name of some sort). Because those things would be screen printed or something these days, surely.
buffy said:
roughbarked said:
Ninety minutes after Queen Elizabeth II died, orders for thousands of British flags started to flood into a factory south of Shanghai.More than 100 employees at Shaoxing Chuangdong Tour Articles Company set aside other work and put in 14-hour days starting at 7:30am, making nothing but British-themed flags.
They turned out at least 500,000 the first week, according to general manager Fan Aiping.
Some are British flags to be carried by mourners or hung outside homes. Others show Elizabeth’s portrait and the years of her birth and death.
Workers that are wearing orange t-shirts are seen sowing British flags in a factory.
I presume the sewing aspect would just be putting the fittings along the side that goes next to the pole (it’s probably got a real name of some sort). Because those things would be screen printed or something these days, surely.
I suppose there might still be workers in China so cheap to employ that screen printing may be more expensive.
buffy said:
roughbarked said:
Ninety minutes after Queen Elizabeth II died, orders for thousands of British flags started to flood into a factory south of Shanghai.More than 100 employees at Shaoxing Chuangdong Tour Articles Company set aside other work and put in 14-hour days starting at 7:30am, making nothing but British-themed flags.
They turned out at least 500,000 the first week, according to general manager Fan Aiping.
Some are British flags to be carried by mourners or hung outside homes. Others show Elizabeth’s portrait and the years of her birth and death.
Workers that are wearing orange t-shirts are seen sowing British flags in a factory.
I presume the sewing aspect would just be putting the fittings along the side that goes next to the pole (it’s probably got a real name of some sort). Because those things would be screen printed or something these days, surely.
The edging to stop it fraying as well.
buffy said:
…the side that goes next to the pole (it’s probably got a real name of some sort).
That side is called ‘the hoist’.
The end that flaps is called ‘the fly’.
There’s a bit of con tro versy, King Charles visited Wales on Owain Glyndŵr day, apparently.
Just wondering, are we going to have to rename this state ‘Kingsland’ ?
Spiny Norman said:
Just wondering, are we going to have to rename this state ‘Kingsland’ ?
DA’s Mini-me asked her Mum this very same question.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Spiny Norman said:
Just wondering, are we going to have to rename this state ‘Kingsland’ ?
DA’s Mini-me asked her Mum this very same question.
It is indeed the topic of the day.
Spiny Norman said:
Just wondering, are we going to have to rename this state ‘Kingsland’ ?
Well…Vicky signed the papers to make Queensland, and there have been some Kings since then and it didn’t get changed.
buffy said:
Spiny Norman said:
Just wondering, are we going to have to rename this state ‘Kingsland’ ?
Well…Vicky signed the papers to make Queensland, and there have been some Kings since then and it didn’t get changed.
Hit’s table with gavel.
Case dismissed.
“It is not widely known, but all Australian citizens are entitled to get a free portrait of the Queen from their federal MP, and requests have been pouring in.
It is part of the ‘nationhood material’ funded by the federal government, but those wanting one had better ask for it soon – MP’s offices are fast running out. “
I’ve ordered ten.
Peak Warming Man said:
“It is not widely known, but all Australian citizens are entitled to get a free portrait of the Queen from their federal MP, and requests have been pouring in.
It is part of the ‘nationhood material’ funded by the federal government, but those wanting one had better ask for it soon – MP’s offices are fast running out. “I’ve ordered ten.
Not sure “we don’t have any left” is an excuse for refusing an entitlement
Dark Orange said:
Peak Warming Man said:
“It is not widely known, but all Australian citizens are entitled to get a free portrait of the Queen from their federal MP, and requests have been pouring in.
It is part of the ‘nationhood material’ funded by the federal government, but those wanting one had better ask for it soon – MP’s offices are fast running out. “I’ve ordered ten.
Not sure “we don’t have any left” is an excuse for refusing an entitlement
You can have mine.
Peak Warming Man said:
“It is not widely known, but all Australian citizens are entitled to get a free portrait of the Queen from their federal MP, and requests have been pouring in.
It is part of the ‘nationhood material’ funded by the federal government, but those wanting one had better ask for it soon – MP’s offices are fast running out. “I’ve ordered ten.
Can I get one of the King?
Fer gawd save the queens sake. She’s gone on for way longer than Osama Bin Ladens 9/11.
roughbarked said:
Fer gawd save the queens sake. She’s gone on for way longer than Osama Bin Ladens 9/11.
I was thinking that myself, makes Britain relevant again I think is why its such a fuss, and FOMO if you don’t sympathise you are uncaring
roughbarked said:
Fer gawd save the queens sake. She’s gone on for way longer than Osama Bin Ladens 9/11.
at least this will wash away before she sees it.
!
I think they are going to put her down tonight.
There was an old bloke, rather large with a shock of yellow hair trying to get over a fence and into the Chapple.
I’ve seen him before somewhere, they’ve hustled him away now.
Peak Warming Man said:
There was an old bloke, rather large with a shock of yellow hair trying to get over a fence and into the Chapple.
I’ve seen him before somewhere, they’ve hustled him away now.
Tell them they can keep him, up in the tower for the rooks to annoy.
There’s lots of marching up and down the square.
They’d rather be at the pictures? Playing the piano?
Woodie said:
There’s lots of marching up and down the square.They’d rather be at the pictures? Playing the piano?
I shan’t bother watching it.
The funeral is being held pretty early in the day because many of the participants have another function in NY to get to, the UN general assembly meeting.
Also, I have learnt a new word:
catafalque
noun
a decorated wooden framework supporting the coffin of a distinguished person during a funeral or while lying in state.
dv said:
Also, I have learnt a new word:catafalque
noun
a decorated wooden framework supporting the coffin of a distinguished person during a funeral or while lying in state.
I knew that one from my military days.
I’m surprised that this is the first British state funeral since Churchill’s. They seem common enough in Australia.
SCIENCE said:
Heh
GONG……..
I see Fergie got a guernsey!!
GONG………
GONG…….
GONG………
WOOLLEN….
Peak Warming Man said:
WOOLLEN….
Heh
“Lords spiritual and Lords temporal”
?
Do the Lords temporal get a Tardis?
dv said:
“Lords spiritual and Lords temporal”?
Do the Lords temporal get a Tardis?
“The Lords Temporal are secular members of the House of Lords, the upper house of the British Parliament. “
Okay
dv said:
“Lords spiritual and Lords temporal”?
Do the Lords temporal get a Tardis?
I don’t know if Time Lords own anything.
dv said:
“Lords spiritual and Lords temporal”?
Do the Lords temporal get a Tardis?
Never heard the term ‘Lords temporal’?
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
“Lords spiritual and Lords temporal”?
Do the Lords temporal get a Tardis?
Never heard the term ‘Lords temporal’?
The Lords Spiritual are made up of the Archbishops of Canterbury and of York, the Bishops of London, Durham and Winchester as well as specific bishops of the Church of England. The Lords Temporal are made up of Life Peers, the Earl Marshal, Lord Great Chamberlain, Hereditary Peers elected under the Standing Orders.
see how interesting the history and ritual of the pommy monarchy and parliament are.
dv said:
I’m surprised that this is the first British state funeral since Churchill’s. They seem common enough in Australia.
I was in England when Churchill’s funeral was held.
Peak Warming Man said:
WOOLLEN….
GONG…………
A Woollen Gong?https://www.lumenchristi.org.au/item/23-st-francis-xavier-cathedral-wollongong
Another place (or the other place) is a term used to describe the other House in Parliament. By convention, members of the Lords do not mention the Commons by name – and MPs do not refer directly to the House of Lords – when they are speaking in the Chamber.
ChrispenEvan said:
see how interesting the history and ritual of the pommy monarchy and parliament are.
Bubblecar’s not here man…
Peak Warming Man said:
WOOLLEN….
Ha!
:)
Witty Rejoinder said:
ChrispenEvan said:
see how interesting the history and ritual of the pommy monarchy and parliament are.
Bubblecar’s not here man…
:-)
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
“Lords spiritual and Lords temporal”?
Do the Lords temporal get a Tardis?
Never heard the term ‘Lords temporal’?
Yes. Lords of the Temporal Lobe.
Mrs V’s in the other room watching it, to see whether her friend is there. (We expect so.)
Witty Rejoinder said:
ChrispenEvan said:
see how interesting the history and ritual of the pommy monarchy and parliament are.
Bubblecar’s not here man…
Glued to the television and enthralled by all the British pageantry I suspect, hey what but.
dv said:
“Lords spiritual and Lords temporal”?
Do the Lords temporal get a Tardis?
No. But the lords spiritual should get the boot.
It still seems some what surreal
Michael V said:
Mrs V’s in the other room watching it, to see whether her friend is there. (We expect so.)
Harry and Meghan have been relegated to the second row.
Witty Rejoinder said:
ChrispenEvan said:
see how interesting the history and ritual of the pommy monarchy and parliament are.
Bubblecar’s not here man…
The Car Temporal.
Woodie said:
Michael V said:
Mrs V’s in the other room watching it, to see whether her friend is there. (We expect so.)
Harry and Meghan have been relegated to the second row.
Uh Oh.
Peak Warming Man said:
Woodie said:
Michael V said:
Mrs V’s in the other room watching it, to see whether her friend is there. (We expect so.)
Harry and Meghan have been relegated to the second row.
Uh Oh.
Woodie said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
ChrispenEvan said:
see how interesting the history and ritual of the pommy monarchy and parliament are.
Bubblecar’s not here man…
Glued to the television and enthralled by all the British pageantry I suspect, hey what but.
……… or gone for a nap. One or the other.
I wonder if they’ve got the CWA doing the sandwiches afterwards.
Woodie said:
Michael V said:
Mrs V’s in the other room watching it, to see whether her friend is there. (We expect so.)
Harry and Meghan have been relegated to the second row.
I doubt that Harry will cry himself to sleep over it tonight.
They need to move it along or they’ll get pinged for time wasting.
Peak Warming Man said:
They need to move it along or they’ll get pinged for time wasting.
But will they finish with a rousing chorus of Rule Britannia?
Peak Warming Man said:
They need to move it along or they’ll get pinged for time wasting.
LOLOLOLOLOLOL
Woodie said:
Peak Warming Man said:
They need to move it along or they’ll get pinged for time wasting.
But will they finish with a rousing chorus of Rule Britannia?
It’s a rousing God Save the King.
Michael V said:
Peak Warming Man said:
They need to move it along or they’ll get pinged for time wasting.
LOLOLOLOLOLOL
Did Mrs V spot her friend?
Princess Beatrice’s squeeze is a bit of all right, hey what but.
What’s his name again? Mario Paparazzi or sumfin like that.
Woodie said:
Princess Beatrice’s squeeze is a bit of all right, hey what but.What’s his name again? Mario Paparazzi or sumfin like that.
If I had said something like that about Princess Beatrice I would have been very smartly shot down.
David Beckham and Elton John were nowhere to be sighted, it seems.
Peak Warming Man said:
Michael V said:
Peak Warming Man said:
They need to move it along or they’ll get pinged for time wasting.
LOLOLOLOLOLOL
Did Mrs V spot her friend?
Not so far.
Woodie said:
Princess Beatrice’s squeeze is a bit of all right, hey what but.What’s his name again? Mario Paparazzi or sumfin like that.
Edoardo Alessandro Mapelli Mozzi
GONG……………
No flypast by those WW2 aircraft…wot a swizz.
Neophyte said:
No flypast by those WW2 aircraft…wot a swizz.
There is a dwindling number of them still flying these days. Getting more and more difficult to keep them in flying condition.
Woodie said:
GONG……………
I’ll see my GONG……. and raise me a BOOOM…….
How apt that the funeral is on International Talk Like a Pirate day.
All those peaked hats, pretty uniforms, swords and all that regalia.
Arrr, matey!
party_pants said:
Neophyte said:
No flypast by those WW2 aircraft…wot a swizz.
There is a dwindling number of them still flying these days. Getting more and more difficult to keep them in flying condition.
There’s a Spitfire, Hurricane and Lancaster bomber they haul out for WW2 anniversaries….any excuse will do, sez me.
Woodie said:
Princess Beatrice’s squeeze is a bit of all right, hey what but.What’s his name again? Mario Paparazzi or sumfin like that.
He has quite a grand home in Italy
Gosh there’s a lot of silly hats.
GONG……….
AussieDJ said:
How apt that the funeral is on International Talk Like a Pirate day.All those peaked hats, pretty uniforms, swords and all that regalia.
Arrr, matey!
E II RRRRRRRrrrrr
Woodie said:
Princess Beatrice’s squeeze is a bit of all right, hey what but.What’s his name again? Mario Paparazzi or sumfin like that.
Not Lorenzo Montesini, hopefully.
Woodie said:
GONG……….
forgot to ask earlier, what is the meaning of this?
Michael V said:
Gosh there’s a lot of silly hats.
….. and black frocks. Heaps of black frocks.
Neophyte said:
Woodie said:
Princess Beatrice’s squeeze is a bit of all right, hey what but.What’s his name again? Mario Paparazzi or sumfin like that.
Not Lorenzo Montesini, hopefully.
isn’t it Iñigo Montoya?
sibeen said:
Neophyte said:
Woodie said:
Princess Beatrice’s squeeze is a bit of all right, hey what but.What’s his name again? Mario Paparazzi or sumfin like that.
Not Lorenzo Montesini, hopefully.
isn’t it Iñigo Montoya?
unlikely as he is a fictional character.
party_pants said:
Woodie said:
GONG……….
forgot to ask earlier, what is the meaning of this?
GONG………..
What’s brown and rings like a bell?
DUNG………
For Her the bells toll, Mr Panty Parts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funeral_toll
GONG………
Woodie said:
party_pants said:
Woodie said:
GONG……….
forgot to ask earlier, what is the meaning of this?
GONG………..
What’s brown and rings like a bell?
DUNG………
For Her the bells toll, Mr Panty Parts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funeral_toll
GONG………
OK, got it.
I have not been watching.
party_pants said:
Woodie said:
party_pants said:forgot to ask earlier, what is the meaning of this?
GONG………..
What’s brown and rings like a bell?
DUNG………
For Her the bells toll, Mr Panty Parts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funeral_toll
GONG………
OK, got it.
I have not been watching.
I thought her funeral was last week some time.
I was hoping the sailors would break out into a bawdy sea shanty at the end, but no.
Bubblecar said:
party_pants said:
Woodie said:GONG………..
What’s brown and rings like a bell?
DUNG………
For Her the bells toll, Mr Panty Parts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funeral_toll
GONG………
OK, got it.
I have not been watching.
I thought her funeral was last week some time.
Perhaps it is still the same one dragging on a bit, this is just the final summary and conclusion.
party_pants said:
Bubblecar said:
party_pants said:OK, got it.
I have not been watching.
I thought her funeral was last week some time.
Perhaps it is still the same one dragging on a bit, this is just the final summary and conclusion.
hope it ends soon getting a tad tired standing to attention.
party_pants said:
Bubblecar said:
party_pants said:OK, got it.
I have not been watching.
I thought her funeral was last week some time.
Perhaps it is still the same one dragging on a bit, this is just the final summary and conclusion.
I’ll leave them to it. Not going to warm up my telly for that tripe.
Bubblecar said:
party_pants said:
Bubblecar said:I thought her funeral was last week some time.
Perhaps it is still the same one dragging on a bit, this is just the final summary and conclusion.
I’ll leave them to it. Not going to warm up my telly for that tripe.
Surely they’ll be serving something a bit better than tripe at the wake.
Don’t throw flowers, just throw money. Sumfin’s gotta pay for the extravaganza ya know.
sibeen said:
Bubblecar said:
party_pants said:Perhaps it is still the same one dragging on a bit, this is just the final summary and conclusion.
I’ll leave them to it. Not going to warm up my telly for that tripe.
Surely they’ll be serving something a bit better than tripe at the wake.
Mashed potatoes with sausages sticking out – a staple in British comic strips
She timed it just right really because in a couple of weeks the summer sun will be fading as the year grows old and darker days will be drawing near.
Woodie said:
Michael V said:
Gosh there’s a lot of silly hats.
….. and black frocks. Heaps of black frocks.
I hope you have a suitable black frock on tonight. I don’t.
Peak Warming Man said:
She timed it just right really because in a couple of weeks the summer sun will be fading as the year grows old and darker days will be drawing near.
Aye, then they’d have to watch it with their coats on.
he bits didn’t give my mum a send-off like that . Buggrem.
Peak Warming Man said:
She timed it just right really because in a couple of weeks the summer sun will be fading as the year grows old and darker days will be drawing near.
Snort.
ChrispenEvan said:
party_pants said:
Bubblecar said:I thought her funeral was last week some time.
Perhaps it is still the same one dragging on a bit, this is just the final summary and conclusion.
hope it ends soon getting a tad tired standing to attention.
You may be seated, Mr Evan.
Michael V said:
he bits didn’t give my mum a send-off like that . Buggrem.
Have a “T”.
Michael V said:
Michael V said:
he bits didn’t give my mum a send-off like that . Buggrem.
Have a “T”.
Oh, and an “r”.
I blame the rum.
Hang on a sec. I’ll just go check Ebay and see how much an “Order of Service” from the abbey is going for.
Michael V said:
Woodie said:
Michael V said:
Gosh there’s a lot of silly hats.
….. and black frocks. Heaps of black frocks.
I hope you have a suitable black frock on tonight. I don’t.
Black trackie dackies if that’ll pass.
Woodie said:
Hang on a sec. I’ll just go check Ebay and see how much an “Order of Service” from the abbey is going for.
I’ll see whether we can get a copy from Corinna.
Peak Warming Man said:
She timed it just right really because in a couple of weeks the summer sun will be fading as the year grows old and darker days will be drawing near.
It’s not funny when it’s true.
Woodie said:
Michael V said:
Woodie said:….. and black frocks. Heaps of black frocks.
I hope you have a suitable black frock on tonight. I don’t.
Black trackie dackies if that’ll pass.
Cool!
:)
Oh look. They’re driving her out through the great unwashed parts of London where the gawking peasants have all lined up.
Peter Phillips. Now there’s someone who doesn’t hog the limelight.
How about that queue eh?
Tau.Neutrino said:
How about that queue eh?
They are changing it to a kay
dv said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
How about that queue eh?
They are changing it to a kay
Elizabeth Quay?
Bunny_Fugger said:
dv said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
How about that queue eh?
They are changing it to a kay
Elizabeth Quay?
Heh
They’re at it again!!!
GONG………..
Backlash after Aussie state announces tribute to Queen: ‘Huge mistake’
A Melbourne hospital will be renamed in honour of the late Queen and the move has sparked a backlash with a petition circulating against it.
Victoria Premier Dan Andrews tweeted about the decision to rename Maroondah Hospital to Queen Elizabeth II Hospital “as a mark of respect to her unwavering commitment to healthcare and our community”.
People oppose changing Aboriginal name
While some thought it was a “beautiful tribute” to Queen Elizabeth II, most thought the renaming was a “huge mistake”.
“Maroondah Hospital is the only hospital I can think of in Victoria with an Aboriginal name,” Surgeon Dr Neela Janakiramanan said on Twitter.
“Inclusive healthcare starts from the signage on.”
“Or we could name it after Uncle Jack, or Archie Roach, or anyone else who actually created positive change for our country,” Dr Linda McIver said.
Another person even suggested naming it after “someone from a medical field that deserves it instead of someone that was born into a ‘royal family’”.
Greens member Matt Morgan shared on TikTok how ironic he thought the name change was.
“It’s 2022 and the Victorian Labor government is renaming an Aboriginal-named hospital after a dead British monarch. Isn’t that the opposite of what we’re supposed to be doing right now?” Mr Morgan said.
https://au.news.yahoo.com/backlash-victoria-announces-tribute-queen-maroondah-hospital-025422829.html
It doesn’t much bother me but aren’t there already two hospitals in Australia named after Elizabeth II?
dv said:
Backlash after Aussie state announces tribute to Queen: ‘Huge mistake’
A Melbourne hospital will be renamed in honour of the late Queen and the move has sparked a backlash with a petition circulating against it.Victoria Premier Dan Andrews tweeted about the decision to rename Maroondah Hospital to Queen Elizabeth II Hospital “as a mark of respect to her unwavering commitment to healthcare and our community”.
People oppose changing Aboriginal name
While some thought it was a “beautiful tribute” to Queen Elizabeth II, most thought the renaming was a “huge mistake”.
“Maroondah Hospital is the only hospital I can think of in Victoria with an Aboriginal name,” Surgeon Dr Neela Janakiramanan said on Twitter.
“Inclusive healthcare starts from the signage on.”
“Or we could name it after Uncle Jack, or Archie Roach, or anyone else who actually created positive change for our country,” Dr Linda McIver said.
Another person even suggested naming it after “someone from a medical field that deserves it instead of someone that was born into a ‘royal family’”.
Greens member Matt Morgan shared on TikTok how ironic he thought the name change was.
“It’s 2022 and the Victorian Labor government is renaming an Aboriginal-named hospital after a dead British monarch. Isn’t that the opposite of what we’re supposed to be doing right now?” Mr Morgan said.
https://au.news.yahoo.com/backlash-victoria-announces-tribute-queen-maroondah-hospital-025422829.html
It doesn’t much bother me but aren’t there already two hospitals in Australia named after Elizabeth II?
so the change will be less significant at +50% than if we named it after Jack or Roach at +INF%, good plan
Can’t expect everyone to keep up with the news
dv said:
Can’t expect everyone to keep up with the news
Yeah, it’s not like everyone has up-to-date info on current world news or producers working in the background.
dv said:
Can’t expect everyone to keep up with the news
Yeah, she’s only the PM, so not even up to minor royalty status really.
dv said:
Can’t expect everyone to keep up with the news
I don’t care about any of this, but that is pretty poor journalism…
dv said:
Can’t expect everyone to keep up with the news
well i don’t know, all these people in black look alike.
Front page headline on today’s SMH:
“We’ll meet again”
Really?
Thank goodness for Wilcox.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Front page headline on today’s SMH:“We’ll meet again”
Really?
Thank goodness for Wilcox.
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Front page headline on today’s SMH:“We’ll meet again”
Really?
Thank goodness for Wilcox.
heh
Poor bugger, he could be a really gifted composer or some such but the only thing that people want to talk about or ask him questions about is his height.
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Front page headline on today’s SMH:“We’ll meet again”
Really?
Thank goodness for Wilcox.
Ha!
:)
Peak Warming Man said:
Poor bugger, he could be a really gifted composer or some such but the only thing that people want to talk about or ask him questions about is his height.
Speaking of which, George V had nine grandchildren. Seven of them were princes and princesses, but two were not, as they were the children of his daughter. George Lascelles was the well-regarded director of the English National Opera for many years.
Elizabeth II
Princess Margaret, Countess of Snowdon
Prince Edward, Duke of Kent
Princess Alexandra,
Prince Michael of Kent
Prince William of Gloucester
Prince Richard, Duke of Gloucester
Gerald David Lascelles
George Lascelles, 7th Earl of Harewood
BREAKING:
Peak Warming Man said:
BREAKING:
Tamb said:
Peak Warming Man said:
BREAKING:
Prolly got another 20 years in him.
I don’t know, he’s very much into homeopathy.
He might come down with one of the common serious illnesses of age before long, and try to treat it with water.
Peak Warming Man said:
BREAKING:
Probably they just mean the preparation, not the execution
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
BREAKING:
Probably they just mean the preparation, not the execution
They haven’t executed a king since 1649.
Bubblecar said:
Tamb said:
Peak Warming Man said:
BREAKING:
Prolly got another 20 years in him.I don’t know, he’s very much into homeopathy.
He might come down with one of the common serious illnesses of age before long, and try to treat it with water.
You look at any movie or novel and when someone comes down all sickly like the first thing they do is get them a glass of water.
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
BREAKING:
Probably they just mean the preparation, not the execution
They haven’t executed a king since 1649.
Chuck I
Peak Warming Man said:
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:Probably they just mean the preparation, not the execution
They haven’t executed a king since 1649.
Chuck I
Diana was the last princess to be taken out that way
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
BREAKING:
Probably they just mean the preparation, not the execution
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
BREAKING:
Probably they just mean the preparation, not the execution
They haven’t executed a king since 1649.
SO you reckon they’re due
dv said:
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:Probably they just mean the preparation, not the execution
They haven’t executed a king since 1649.
SO you reckon they’re due
wouldn’t hurt.
dv said:
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:Probably they just mean the preparation, not the execution
They haven’t executed a king since 1649.
SO you reckon they’re due
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:
ChrispenEvan said:They haven’t executed a king since 1649.
SO you reckon they’re due
wouldn’t hurt.
Ever been drawn and quartered son?
Peak Warming Man said:
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:SO you reckon they’re due
wouldn’t hurt.
Ever been drawn and quartered son?
yep, had a friend who did a sketch of me and others who have put me up.
People don’t have much nice to say about Charles I but I would like to point out that Charles II was something of a patron of the sciences.
In Charles’s early childhood, William Cavendish, Earl of Newcastle, was governor of the royal household and Brian Duppa, the Dean of Christchurch, was his tutor. Neither man thought that the study of science subjects was appropriate for a future king, and Newcastle even advised against studying any subject too seriously. However, as Charles grew older, the renowned surgeon William Harvey was appointed his tutor. He was famous for his work on blood circulation in the human body and already held the position of physician to Charles I; his studies were to influence Charles’s own attitude to science. As the king’s chief physician, Harvey accompanied Charles I to the Battle of Edgehill and, although some details are uncertain, he had charge of Prince Charles and the Duke of York in the morning but the two boys were back with the king for the start of battle.: 79 : 12 Later in the afternoon, with their father concerned for their safety, the two princes left the battlefield accompanied by Sir W. Howard and his pensioners.: 15 : 130During his exile, in France, Charles continued his education, including physics, chemistry and mathematics. His tutors included the cleric John Earle, well known for his satirical book Microcosmographie, with whom he studied Latin and Greek, and Thomas Hobbes, the philosopher and author of Leviathan, with whom he studied mathematics. In France, Charles assisted his childhood friend, the Earl of Buckingham, with his experiments in chemistry and alchemy,: 27 with the Earl convinced he was close to producing the philosopher’s stone. Although some of Charles’s studies, while abroad, may have helped to pass the time, on his return to England he was already knowledgeable in the mathematics of navigation and was a competent chemist. Such was his knowledge of Naval Architecture that he was able to participate in technical discussions on the subject with Samuel Pepys, William Petty and John Evelyn.
The new concepts and discoveries being found at this time fascinated Charles, not only in science and medicine, but in topics such as botany and gardening.: 18 A French traveller, Sorbier, while visiting the English court, was astonished by the extent of the king’s knowledge. As king, Charles now freely indulged in his many interests, including astronomy, which had been stimulated by a visit to Gresham College, in October 1660, to see the telescopes made by the astronomer Sir Paul Neile. Charles was so impressed by what he saw that he ordered his own 36’ telescope which he had installed in the Privy Garden, at Whitehall. The king would invite his friends and acquaintances to view the heavens through his new telescope and, in May 1661, John Evelyn describes his visit to the Garden, with several other scientists, to view Saturn’s rings. Charles also had a laboratory installed, in Whitehall, with easy access to his bedroom. There, he carried out experiments of his own,: 149 or observed those carried out by his staff.
From the beginning of his reign, Charles appointed experts to assist him in his scientific pursuits. These included: Timothy Clarke a celebrated anatomist, who performed some dissections for the king; Robert Morison as his chief botanist (Charles had his own botanical garden); Edmund Dickinson, a chemist and alchemist, who was tasked with carrying out experiments in the king’s laboratory; Sir Thomas Williams, who was skillful in compounding and inventing medicines, some of which were prepared in the royal presence; and Nicasius le Febure (or Nicolas LeFevre), who was invited to England, as royal professor of chemistry and apothecary to the king’s household, (Evelyn records visiting his laboratory with the king). Sir Christopher Wren, who was to become the king’s Chief Architect, constructed a detailed model of the moon which he presented, in May 1661, to a delighted king.
In addition to his many other interests, the king was fascinated by clock mechanisms: 20 and had clocks distributed all around Whitehall, including seven of them in his bedroom. Robert Bruce (later to become the Earl of Ailesbury), a Gentleman of the Bedchamber, complained that the continual noise of the clocks chiming disturbed his sleep, whenever it was necessary for him to stay close by to the king.: 25 Also, Charles had a sundial installed in the Privy Garden, by which he could set his personal pocket watch. (For a while, the king personally recorded the performance of the latest spring-balance watch, presented to him by Robert Hooke.)
In 1662, Charles was pleased to grant a royal charter to a group of scientists and others who had established a formal society in 1660 to give a more academic and learned approach to science and to conduct experiments in physics and mathematics.: 154 : 21, 85, 189 Sir Robert Moray, a member of Charles’s court, played an important part in achieving this outcome, and he was to be the first president of this new Royal Society. Over the years, Moray was an important go-between for Charles and the Society, and his standing with the king was so high that he was given access to the royal laboratory to perform his own experiments there.
Initially, Charles showed interest in the activities of the new society,: 133 where Robert Hooke, and others, gave weekly demonstrations, and it was expected he would soon attend a meeting. On 1 July 1663, a special sub-committee was set up, to meet weekly, to prepare for the King’s visit. However, after several months and many meetings, preparing for the visit, the King had still not attended. Even so, on 7 December 1663, in renewed anticipation of a visit, Hooke was moved in to permanent residence, at Wadham House, for a fee of £20 p.a., to be on hand to perform demonstrations for the king.
In fact, Charles never did attend a Society meeting,: 106 but he remained aware of the activities there from his discussions with Society members, especially Morey. In addition, Robert Boyle gave him a private viewing of the Boyle/Hooke air-pump, which was used at many of the Wednesday meetings. However, Charles preferred experiments which had an immediate practical outcome and he laughed at the efforts of the Society members “to weigh air”. He seemed unable to grasp the significance of the basic laws of physics being established at that time, including Boyle’s Law and Hooke’s Law and the concept of atmospheric pressure and the barometer and the importance of air for the support of life.
Although Charles lost interest in the activities of the society, he continued to support scientific and commercial endeavours. He founded the Mathematical School at Christ’s Hospital in 1673 and, two years later, following concerns over French advances in astronomy, he founded the Royal Observatory at Greenwich. He maintained an interest in chemistry and regularly visited his private laboratory. There, dissections were occasionally carried out, and observed by the king. Samuel Pepys noted in his diary that on the morning of Friday, 15 January 1669, while he was walking to Whitehall, he met the king who invited him to view his chemistry laboratory. Pepys’s scientific knowledge was not great and he confessed to finding what he saw there beyond him.
Charles developed painful gout in later life which limited the daily walks that he took regularly when younger.: 14 His keenness was now channelled to his laboratory where he would devote himself to his experiments, for hours at a time, sometimes helped by Robert Moray. Charles was particularly interested in alchemy, which he had first encountered many years earlier, during his exile with the Duke of Buckingham. The practices and beliefs of alchemy, especially regarding the transmutation of metals, were widely held in Charles’s time.: 284 Particularly popular were the teachings of Geber who advocated that all metals could be derived from sulphur and mercury, according to the proportions used. Influenced by this theory, Charles resumed his experiments with mercury and would spend whole mornings attempting to distill it. Heating mercury in an open crucible releases mercury vapour, which is toxic and may have contributed to his later ill health. However, Charles was not alone in suffering from the effects of mercury poisoning as a number of his contemporaries, also alchemists, showed the symptoms of mercury poisoning in later life, including Buckingham,: 229 Isaac Newton, George Starkey: 286 and Evelyn’s manservant Richard Hoare.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_II_of_England
dv said:
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:Probably they just mean the preparation, not the execution
They haven’t executed a king since 1649.
SO you reckon they’re due
It’d make a good public spectacle.
Not that I’d condone it, of course.
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
BREAKING:
Probably they just mean the preparation, not the execution
Wah…… ya reckon they’ll lop his head off?
Nerdsniped myself into looking up William IV’s many descendants via his illegitimate kids and quite a few are “von Faber-Castell”, and I’m thinking “ … the art supply people??”
And the answer is yes. Per wikipedia, Kasper Faber founded the pencil company in the 18th century, and one of his descendants Ottilie von Faber married a Count in the very well established House of Castell, presumably because she wanted his title and he needed all that pencil money: he even changed his name to von Faber-Castell.
dv said:
Nerdsniped myself into looking up William IV’s many descendants via his illegitimate kids and quite a few are “von Faber-Castell”, and I’m thinking “ … the art supply people??”And the answer is yes. Per wikipedia, Kasper Faber founded the pencil company in the 18th century, and one of his descendants Ottilie von Faber married a Count in the very well established House of Castell, presumably because she wanted his title and he needed all that pencil money: he even changed his name to von Faber-Castell.
They also made very good slide rules.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Nerdsniped myself into looking up William IV’s many descendants via his illegitimate kids and quite a few are “von Faber-Castell”, and I’m thinking “ … the art supply people??”And the answer is yes. Per wikipedia, Kasper Faber founded the pencil company in the 18th century, and one of his descendants Ottilie von Faber married a Count in the very well established House of Castell, presumably because she wanted his title and he needed all that pencil money: he even changed his name to von Faber-Castell.
They also made very good slide rules.
Good to know.
dv said:
The curse of gendered articles.
dv said:
It was Liz Truss, she poisoned her tea while no one was watching.
Tau.Neutrino said:
dv said:
It was Liz Truss, she poisoned her tea while no one was watching.
Maybe she just lost the will to live after making Liz Truss the PM.
party_pants said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
dv said:
It was Liz Truss, she poisoned her tea while no one was watching.
Maybe she just lost the will to live after making Liz Truss the PM.
i could see that.
sarahs mum said:
party_pants said:
Tau.Neutrino said:It was Liz Truss, she poisoned her tea while no one was watching.
Maybe she just lost the will to live after making Liz Truss the PM.
i could see that.
… they gave it SARS-CoV-2 …
Someone at the funeral was called … India Flint Wood
dv said:
Someone at the funeral was called … India Flint Wood
a minor royal? or a politician?
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Someone at the funeral was called … India Flint Wood
a minor royal? or a politician?
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Someone at the funeral was called … India Flint Wood
a minor royal? or a politician?
Well I’ve looked it up, not a royal per se but family, a third cousin to the Queen, ie a descendant of Victoria.
pretty minor then.
There was a time when Sinn Fein would have boycotted something like this but I suppose things have kicked along since then.
Soz, just going through the list of attendees out of some kind of curiosity. A lot of royals from dead houses … like the head of the Habsburgs, the last Tsar of Bulgaria, the last Queen of Greece, “Prince” of Hohenlohe-Langenburg, someone from the former Romanian royal family, Alexander Crown Prince of Yugoslavia … past glories.
dv said:
Soz, just going through the list of attendees out of some kind of curiosity. A lot of royals from dead houses … like the head of the Habsburgs, the last Tsar of Bulgaria, the last Queen of Greece, “Prince” of Hohenlohe-Langenburg, someone from the former Romanian royal family, Alexander Crown Prince of Yugoslavia … past glories.
in a relative way.
Opinion by Stan Grant
After Queen Elizabeth II’s death, Indigenous Australia can’t be expected to shut up. Our sorry business is without end
When the Queen first visited Australia in 1954, my mother almost did not get to see her.
Like millions of other school kids, mum was expected to join the throng flocking to glimpse the young royal.
The problem was, my mother didn’t have any socks.
She was a dirt-poor Aboriginal kid living in a tin humpy on the outskirts of Coonabarabran, in north-west NSW. Socks were a luxury. Clothes and shoes were shared among a dozen siblings.
The school said no socks, no go for the trip to Dubbo to see the Queen. Mum’s older brother had made the royal trek a day earlier and met mum at the back fence between the primary and high schools and threw his socks over.
It is a memory that has stayed with mum. She has told me the story many times — wearing her brother’s cast-off socks to see the Queen.
It is one of the rich memories of a long life. And she has other memories, other stories that she has told me.
Stories of her father being tied to a tree like a dog by police and left all day without food or water to swelter in the sun.
Seeing Aboriginal men arrested for drinking alcohol and roped together and marched down the main street of her hometown.
Stories of two younger brothers who died as children.
Stories of her siblings taken to welfare homes. Stories of aching hunger. Of once following a white girl eating a cake around the schoolyard and pouncing on a crumb that the girl dropped. My mother still says it was the best cake she ever tasted.
The girl with no socks got to see the Queen, while her family and other black families lived in poverty that the Crown inflicted on them. Living homeless in a land that had been stolen from them in the name of the Crown.
We aren’t supposed to talk about this
I called my mother this week and she told me the story of her childhood brush with royalty over again. I have thought about mum and dad and all of my family, of my people — First Nations people — who die young and live impoverished and imprisoned lives in this country.
We aren’t supposed to talk about these things this week. We aren’t supposed to talk about colonisation, empire, violence about Aboriginal sovereignty, not even about the republic.
Everyone from the prime minister down has told us it is not appropriate.
I’m sure I am not alone amongst Indigenous people wrestling with swirling emotions. Among them has been anger. The choking asphyxiating anger at the suffering and injustice my people endure.
This anger is not good for me. It is not good for my mental health. It is not good for my physical health. I have been short of breath and dizzy.
But that is nothing compared to what too many other Indigenous people go through day after day. Those languishing in cells. Those who take their own lives. Those who are caught in endless cycles of despair.
Writing this is not good for me. I feel my pulse racing now. I feel the tension building in my head. The veins constricting.
I know what will come. I know the abuse that will come from those who don’t like Aboriginal people who speak up.
I know that online trolls will target my family with the most foul language, even threats of physical violence.
Why do we do it? I ask myself that, too. Why do we have to explain ourselves, why do we have to relive pain?
Why? Because a voice is all we have. Because too often that voice is silenced. Like this week.
The other side of history
I have wondered where that voice is. If it has spoken it has more often been in muted tones, lest anyone be offended.
I have wondered where the voices of Indigenous political leadership have been. Where have they been as Indigenous rugby league player Caitlin Moran received a suspension to the equivalent of a quarter of her salary for an Instagram post deemed offensive to the Queen?
Australians will likely vote in a referendum for a constitutionally enshrined Indigenous Voice to Parliament, but what good would that voice be if at times like these it is reduced to a whisper?
This past week, I have been reminded what it is to come from the other side of history. History itself that is written as a hymn to whiteness.
History written by the victors and often written in blood. It is fashioned as a tale of progress, as a civilising mission.
As historian Caroline Elkins writes in Legacies of Violence, her history of the British Empire, for hundreds of millions of people “the empire’s velvet glove contained an all too familiar iron fist”.
From India to Africa to Ireland, the Pacific, the Caribbean and of course here, Australia, people from the other side of history have felt that fist.
It is not a zero-sum game. There are things in the British tradition that have enriched my life. But history is not weighted on the scales, it is felt in our bones. It is worn on our skin. It is scarred in memory.
How do we hold strong?
How do we live with the weight of this history? How do we not fall prey to soul-destroying vengeance and resentment, yet never relent in our righteous demand for justice?
At times like these I struggle with that dilemma. Because Australia has never reached a just settlement with First Nations people.
The Voice to Parliament — whatever its virtues — falls well short of justice. It is another step on the long journey to justice.
But again, we don’t talk about that this week.
I have felt a sadness at feeling adrift, estranged from friends and colleagues. Sadness at knowing that at times like these there is a chasm between us.
I have watched as others have worn black and reported on this historic event, participated in this ritual mourning. And knowing I cannot
.
They come to this with no conflict. I cannot.
My colleagues can extol the Queen’s undoubted and admirable devotion to duty. They can lament the passing of “everyone’s grandmother.”
This is their ‘sorry business’
My thoughts have been on my grandmother.
My people have a word, Yindyamarra — its meaning escapes English translation. It is a philosophy — a way of living — grounded in a deep respect.
I have sought to show Yindyamarra to those for whom this moment is profound. This is their “sorry business” and I respect that.
But it will pass. For Indigenous people, our sorry business is without end.
At times like these I wonder what it would be to not know apocalypse. To not know what it is to come from a people who face an existential threat. Who have clung on to their very place on this earth.
I wonder what it would be like for me to be like my colleagues for whom this is one of the defining stories of their lifetimes.
Sometimes, I wonder what it must be like to be white.
But then I would not be my mother’s son.
https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/current-affairs/queen-funeral-tv-viewers-worldwide-newsupdate/
Queen’s funeral watched by 37.5 million in the UK – 4 billion worldwide
——
Be interested to see the methodology for the global estimate
dv said:
https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/current-affairs/queen-funeral-tv-viewers-worldwide-newsupdate/Queen’s funeral watched by 37.5 million in the UK – 4 billion worldwide
——
Be interested to see the methodology for the global estimate
Quick guess of the method used:
1. Find proportion of UK residents who watched.
2. Multiply the world population by that number.
dv said:
https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/current-affairs/queen-funeral-tv-viewers-worldwide-newsupdate/Queen’s funeral watched by 37.5 million in the UK – 4 billion worldwide
——
Be interested to see the methodology for the global estimate
I find it extremely unlikely that more than half the population of the planet watched it.
For the record: I did not.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/current-affairs/queen-funeral-tv-viewers-worldwide-newsupdate/
Queen’s funeral watched by 37.5 million in the UK – 4 billion worldwide
——
Be interested to see the methodology for the global estimate
Quick guess of the method used:
1. Find proportion of UK residents who watched.
2. Multiply the world population by that number.
kind of matches
dv said:
https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/current-affairs/queen-funeral-tv-viewers-worldwide-newsupdate/Queen’s funeral watched by 37.5 million in the UK – 4 billion worldwide
So even better numbers than The Ice Age Adventures of Buck Wild.
Ian said:
dv said:
https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/current-affairs/queen-funeral-tv-viewers-worldwide-newsupdate/Queen’s funeral watched by 37.5 million in the UK – 4 billion worldwide
So even better numbers than The Ice Age Adventures of Buck Wild.
If The Ice Age Adventures of Buck Wild had been the only thing on all channels it probably would have had better viewing figures.
ChrispenEvan said:
Opinion by Stan GrantAfter Queen Elizabeth II’s death, Indigenous Australia can’t be expected to shut up. Our sorry business is without end
When the Queen first visited Australia in 1954, my mother almost did not get to see her.Like millions of other school kids, mum was expected to join the throng flocking to glimpse the young royal.
The problem was, my mother didn’t have any socks.She was a dirt-poor Aboriginal kid living in a tin humpy on the outskirts of Coonabarabran, in north-west NSW. Socks were a luxury. Clothes and shoes were shared among a dozen siblings.
The school said no socks, no go for the trip to Dubbo to see the Queen. Mum’s older brother had made the royal trek a day earlier and met mum at the back fence between the primary and high schools and threw his socks over.
It is a memory that has stayed with mum. She has told me the story many times — wearing her brother’s cast-off socks to see the Queen.It is one of the rich memories of a long life. And she has other memories, other stories that she has told me.
Stories of her father being tied to a tree like a dog by police and left all day without food or water to swelter in the sun.
Seeing Aboriginal men arrested for drinking alcohol and roped together and marched down the main street of her hometown.Stories of two younger brothers who died as children.
Stories of her siblings taken to welfare homes. Stories of aching hunger. Of once following a white girl eating a cake around the schoolyard and pouncing on a crumb that the girl dropped. My mother still says it was the best cake she ever tasted.
The girl with no socks got to see the Queen, while her family and other black families lived in poverty that the Crown inflicted on them. Living homeless in a land that had been stolen from them in the name of the Crown.
We aren’t supposed to talk about thisI called my mother this week and she told me the story of her childhood brush with royalty over again. I have thought about mum and dad and all of my family, of my people — First Nations people — who die young and live impoverished and imprisoned lives in this country.
We aren’t supposed to talk about these things this week. We aren’t supposed to talk about colonisation, empire, violence about Aboriginal sovereignty, not even about the republic.
Everyone from the prime minister down has told us it is not appropriate.
I’m sure I am not alone amongst Indigenous people wrestling with swirling emotions. Among them has been anger. The choking asphyxiating anger at the suffering and injustice my people endure.
This anger is not good for me. It is not good for my mental health. It is not good for my physical health. I have been short of breath and dizzy.
But that is nothing compared to what too many other Indigenous people go through day after day. Those languishing in cells. Those who take their own lives. Those who are caught in endless cycles of despair.
Writing this is not good for me. I feel my pulse racing now. I feel the tension building in my head. The veins constricting.
I know what will come. I know the abuse that will come from those who don’t like Aboriginal people who speak up.
I know that online trolls will target my family with the most foul language, even threats of physical violence.Why do we do it? I ask myself that, too. Why do we have to explain ourselves, why do we have to relive pain?
Why? Because a voice is all we have. Because too often that voice is silenced. Like this week.
The other side of historyI have wondered where that voice is. If it has spoken it has more often been in muted tones, lest anyone be offended.
I have wondered where the voices of Indigenous political leadership have been. Where have they been as Indigenous rugby league player Caitlin Moran received a suspension to the equivalent of a quarter of her salary for an Instagram post deemed offensive to the Queen?Australians will likely vote in a referendum for a constitutionally enshrined Indigenous Voice to Parliament, but what good would that voice be if at times like these it is reduced to a whisper?
This past week, I have been reminded what it is to come from the other side of history. History itself that is written as a hymn to whiteness.
History written by the victors and often written in blood. It is fashioned as a tale of progress, as a civilising mission.
As historian Caroline Elkins writes in Legacies of Violence, her history of the British Empire, for hundreds of millions of people “the empire’s velvet glove contained an all too familiar iron fist”.From India to Africa to Ireland, the Pacific, the Caribbean and of course here, Australia, people from the other side of history have felt that fist.
It is not a zero-sum game. There are things in the British tradition that have enriched my life. But history is not weighted on the scales, it is felt in our bones. It is worn on our skin. It is scarred in memory.
How do we hold strong?How do we live with the weight of this history? How do we not fall prey to soul-destroying vengeance and resentment, yet never relent in our righteous demand for justice?
At times like these I struggle with that dilemma. Because Australia has never reached a just settlement with First Nations people.
The Voice to Parliament — whatever its virtues — falls well short of justice. It is another step on the long journey to justice.
But again, we don’t talk about that this week.
I have felt a sadness at feeling adrift, estranged from friends and colleagues. Sadness at knowing that at times like these there is a chasm between us.
I have watched as others have worn black and reported on this historic event, participated in this ritual mourning. And knowing I cannot
.
They come to this with no conflict. I cannot.My colleagues can extol the Queen’s undoubted and admirable devotion to duty. They can lament the passing of “everyone’s grandmother.”
This is their ‘sorry business’
My thoughts have been on my grandmother.
My people have a word, Yindyamarra — its meaning escapes English translation. It is a philosophy — a way of living — grounded in a deep respect.
I have sought to show Yindyamarra to those for whom this moment is profound. This is their “sorry business” and I respect that.
But it will pass. For Indigenous people, our sorry business is without end.
At times like these I wonder what it would be to not know apocalypse. To not know what it is to come from a people who face an existential threat. Who have clung on to their very place on this earth.
I wonder what it would be like for me to be like my colleagues for whom this is one of the defining stories of their lifetimes.
Sometimes, I wonder what it must be like to be white.
But then I would not be my mother’s son.
Well writ
Denmark’s Queen Margrethe II tests positive for Covid after Queen Elizabeth’s funeral
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/sep/21/denmark-queen-margrethe-tests-positive-covid-queen-elizabeth-funeral
sarahs mum said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Opinion by Stan GrantAfter Queen Elizabeth II’s death, Indigenous Australia can’t be expected to shut up. Our sorry business is without end
When the Queen first visited Australia in 1954, my mother almost did not get to see her.Like millions of other school kids, mum was expected to join the throng flocking to glimpse the young royal.
The problem was, my mother didn’t have any socks.She was a dirt-poor Aboriginal kid living in a tin humpy on the outskirts of Coonabarabran, in north-west NSW. Socks were a luxury. Clothes and shoes were shared among a dozen siblings.
The school said no socks, no go for the trip to Dubbo to see the Queen. Mum’s older brother had made the royal trek a day earlier and met mum at the back fence between the primary and high schools and threw his socks over.
It is a memory that has stayed with mum. She has told me the story many times — wearing her brother’s cast-off socks to see the Queen.It is one of the rich memories of a long life. And she has other memories, other stories that she has told me.
Stories of her father being tied to a tree like a dog by police and left all day without food or water to swelter in the sun.
Seeing Aboriginal men arrested for drinking alcohol and roped together and marched down the main street of her hometown.Stories of two younger brothers who died as children.
Stories of her siblings taken to welfare homes. Stories of aching hunger. Of once following a white girl eating a cake around the schoolyard and pouncing on a crumb that the girl dropped. My mother still says it was the best cake she ever tasted.
The girl with no socks got to see the Queen, while her family and other black families lived in poverty that the Crown inflicted on them. Living homeless in a land that had been stolen from them in the name of the Crown.
We aren’t supposed to talk about thisI called my mother this week and she told me the story of her childhood brush with royalty over again. I have thought about mum and dad and all of my family, of my people — First Nations people — who die young and live impoverished and imprisoned lives in this country.
We aren’t supposed to talk about these things this week. We aren’t supposed to talk about colonisation, empire, violence about Aboriginal sovereignty, not even about the republic.
Everyone from the prime minister down has told us it is not appropriate.
I’m sure I am not alone amongst Indigenous people wrestling with swirling emotions. Among them has been anger. The choking asphyxiating anger at the suffering and injustice my people endure.
This anger is not good for me. It is not good for my mental health. It is not good for my physical health. I have been short of breath and dizzy.
But that is nothing compared to what too many other Indigenous people go through day after day. Those languishing in cells. Those who take their own lives. Those who are caught in endless cycles of despair.
Writing this is not good for me. I feel my pulse racing now. I feel the tension building in my head. The veins constricting.
I know what will come. I know the abuse that will come from those who don’t like Aboriginal people who speak up.
I know that online trolls will target my family with the most foul language, even threats of physical violence.Why do we do it? I ask myself that, too. Why do we have to explain ourselves, why do we have to relive pain?
Why? Because a voice is all we have. Because too often that voice is silenced. Like this week.
The other side of historyI have wondered where that voice is. If it has spoken it has more often been in muted tones, lest anyone be offended.
I have wondered where the voices of Indigenous political leadership have been. Where have they been as Indigenous rugby league player Caitlin Moran received a suspension to the equivalent of a quarter of her salary for an Instagram post deemed offensive to the Queen?Australians will likely vote in a referendum for a constitutionally enshrined Indigenous Voice to Parliament, but what good would that voice be if at times like these it is reduced to a whisper?
This past week, I have been reminded what it is to come from the other side of history. History itself that is written as a hymn to whiteness.
History written by the victors and often written in blood. It is fashioned as a tale of progress, as a civilising mission.
As historian Caroline Elkins writes in Legacies of Violence, her history of the British Empire, for hundreds of millions of people “the empire’s velvet glove contained an all too familiar iron fist”.From India to Africa to Ireland, the Pacific, the Caribbean and of course here, Australia, people from the other side of history have felt that fist.
It is not a zero-sum game. There are things in the British tradition that have enriched my life. But history is not weighted on the scales, it is felt in our bones. It is worn on our skin. It is scarred in memory.
How do we hold strong?How do we live with the weight of this history? How do we not fall prey to soul-destroying vengeance and resentment, yet never relent in our righteous demand for justice?
At times like these I struggle with that dilemma. Because Australia has never reached a just settlement with First Nations people.
The Voice to Parliament — whatever its virtues — falls well short of justice. It is another step on the long journey to justice.
But again, we don’t talk about that this week.
I have felt a sadness at feeling adrift, estranged from friends and colleagues. Sadness at knowing that at times like these there is a chasm between us.
I have watched as others have worn black and reported on this historic event, participated in this ritual mourning. And knowing I cannot
.
They come to this with no conflict. I cannot.My colleagues can extol the Queen’s undoubted and admirable devotion to duty. They can lament the passing of “everyone’s grandmother.”
This is their ‘sorry business’
My thoughts have been on my grandmother.
My people have a word, Yindyamarra — its meaning escapes English translation. It is a philosophy — a way of living — grounded in a deep respect.
I have sought to show Yindyamarra to those for whom this moment is profound. This is their “sorry business” and I respect that.
But it will pass. For Indigenous people, our sorry business is without end.
At times like these I wonder what it would be to not know apocalypse. To not know what it is to come from a people who face an existential threat. Who have clung on to their very place on this earth.
I wonder what it would be like for me to be like my colleagues for whom this is one of the defining stories of their lifetimes.
Sometimes, I wonder what it must be like to be white.
But then I would not be my mother’s son.
Well writ
yes it is, Stan helping all remember that before colonization the indigenous peoples had culturally evolved an absence of social hierarchy, and further that whatever substituted was overwhelmingly benign, and here we are messing up the egalitarian life that once was
and what today I ask, might be inclining the growing inequality around the world, and domestically, like homelessness
what travels the globe so fast that you couldn’t even associate the transactions with any damage done
The best piece of advice I can give Chuck is to get yourself a twitter account son.
It’s the same advice I give to up and coming politicians.
Sinn Fein’s Michelle O’Neill, who will be the incoming First Minister of Northern Ireland, has acknowledged something that was rarely mentioned during Elizabeth’s life: her role in building bridges with the Irish community and smoothing the path for the Peace Agreement.
“Today I wish to record the value and respect I place on the significant contribution Queen Elizabeth made to the advancement of peace and reconciliation between the different traditions on our island, and between Ireland and Britain during the years of the peace process,” she said.
“I recognise that she was a courageous and gracious leader.”
Ms O’Neill added: “She made real efforts, and in good faith, to build relationships with those of us who are Irish, and who share a different political allegiance to herself and her Government, and who wish to exercise our right to self-determination based on consent to achieve reunification and a shared island for all.
“There is an onus on us all in politics and public life, but also the whole community, to follow her example and strengthen the bonds of friendship that will bring people and communities together.”
Ms O’Neill also said she wanted to “extend the hand of friendship” to the new King.
Although O’Neill attended Elizabeth’s funeral, SF have made it clear they will not have representatives involved in the Coronation. SF continues to boycott Westminster.
Shinzo Abe’s funeral hasn’t even been held yet. It is scheduled for the 27th of September, some 11 weeks after his death.
There was quite some debate about whether it should be a state funeral, an honour not normally afforded to politicians. For some reason it is going to be considerably more expensive than Elizabeth’s. 1
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/09/29/uk/queen-elizabeth-cause-of-death-intl-scli-gbr/index.html
ROFL… in the UK they’ll still put “old age” as a COD on a death certificate.
fknel at least blame the lockdowns or school closures or something
maybe adenovirus or dogs
dv said:
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/09/29/uk/queen-elizabeth-cause-of-death-intl-scli-gbr/index.htmlROFL… in the UK they’ll still put “old age” as a COD on a death certificate.
I wonder if ‘shortness of breath’, or ‘failure to thrive’ are legitimate reasons, too?
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/09/29/uk/queen-elizabeth-cause-of-death-intl-scli-gbr/index.htmlROFL… in the UK they’ll still put “old age” as a COD on a death certificate.
I wonder if ‘shortness of breath’, or ‘failure to thrive’ are legitimate reasons, too?
In Australia, common causes of death among the elderly include
Coronary heart disease
Cerebrovascular disease
Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease
Dementia inc Alzheimers
dv said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/09/29/uk/queen-elizabeth-cause-of-death-intl-scli-gbr/index.htmlROFL… in the UK they’ll still put “old age” as a COD on a death certificate.
I wonder if ‘shortness of breath’, or ‘failure to thrive’ are legitimate reasons, too?
In Australia, common causes of death among the elderly include
Coronary heart disease
Cerebrovascular disease
Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease
Dementia inc Alzheimers
How does dementia make you dead?
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
captain_spalding said:I wonder if ‘shortness of breath’, or ‘failure to thrive’ are legitimate reasons, too?
In Australia, common causes of death among the elderly include
Coronary heart disease
Cerebrovascular disease
Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease
Dementia inc AlzheimersHow does dementia make you dead?
Your body forgets to breath.
Dark Orange said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:In Australia, common causes of death among the elderly include
Coronary heart disease
Cerebrovascular disease
Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease
Dementia inc AlzheimersHow does dementia make you dead?
Your body forgets to breath.
OK, that would cause death.
But does that actually happen as a result of dementia?
The Rev Dodgson said:
Dark Orange said:
The Rev Dodgson said:How does dementia make you dead?
Your body forgets to breath.
OK, that would cause death.
But does that actually happen as a result of dementia?
why not, does the brain control breathing
The Rev Dodgson said:
Who gets Lewy body disease?
Dark Orange said:
The Rev Dodgson said:How does dementia make you dead?
Your body forgets to breath.
OK, that would cause death.
But does that actually happen as a result of dementia?
Both men and women can develop this disease, although it is more common in men.
How does Lewy body disease progress?
Lewy body disease differs from Alzheimer’s disease in that the progression of the disease is usually more rapid. However, like Alzheimer’s disease it is a degenerative condition, eventually leading to complete dependence. Death is usually a result of another illness, such as pneumonia or an infection. The average lifespan after the onset of symptoms is about seven years.
Is there treatment available?
At present there is no cure for Lewy body disease. Symptoms such as depression and disturbing hallucinations can usually be reduced by medication. However, medications to relieve hallucinations may increase muscle tremors and stiffness. Conversely, anti-Parkinson drugs may make hallucinations worse.
Emerging evidence suggests that cholinesterase inhibitor drugs may be quite helpful for some people with this condition.
People with this form of dementia are very sensitive to the side effects of neuroleptic drugs such as antipsychotic medications. It is essential all medications are supervised by a specialist to avoid these severe side effects.
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Dark Orange said:Your body forgets to breath.
OK, that would cause death.
But does that actually happen as a result of dementia?
why not, does the brain control breathing
Autonomic nervous system the branch of the nervous system that works without conscious control. The voluntary nervous system governs the striated or skeletal muscles, whereas the autonomic nervous system governs the glands, cardiac muscle, and smooth muscles such as those of the digestive system, respiratory system, and skin.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
captain_spalding said:I wonder if ‘shortness of breath’, or ‘failure to thrive’ are legitimate reasons, too?
In Australia, common causes of death among the elderly include
Coronary heart disease
Cerebrovascular disease
Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease
Dementia inc AlzheimersHow does dementia make you dead?
I’m not trained in medicine but hopefully this will help
https://www.aihw.gov.au/reports/dementia/dementia-in-aus/contents/population-health-impacts-of-dementia/deaths-due-to-dementia
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
a degenerative condition, eventually leading to complete dependence.Dark Orange said:
Your body forgets to breath.
OK, that would cause death.
But does that actually happen as a result of dementia?
oh all right, forget to eat, drink, move, eliminate, Grow The Economy Must, and so forth, could all be lethal too we suppose
ah we remember back in the Good Old Forum days there were always threads about cancer and how something aggressively living and growing could actually become dying
The Rev Dodgson said:
Dark Orange said:
The Rev Dodgson said:How does dementia make you dead?
Your body forgets to breath.
OK, that would cause death.
But does that actually happen as a result of dementia?
It happens as a result of Alzheimer’s, which is included in the “Dementia” numbers.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
captain_spalding said:I wonder if ‘shortness of breath’, or ‘failure to thrive’ are legitimate reasons, too?
In Australia, common causes of death among the elderly include
Coronary heart disease
Cerebrovascular disease
Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease
Dementia inc AlzheimersHow does dementia make you dead?
I have a bit of trouble with that one too.
buffy said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:In Australia, common causes of death among the elderly include
Coronary heart disease
Cerebrovascular disease
Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease
Dementia inc AlzheimersHow does dementia make you dead?
I have a bit of trouble with that one too.
my friends father died from dementia… he was eventually DNR’d and this is what the offical cause was rather than ‘neglect’ or homicide..
how does anything make you dead
buffy said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:In Australia, common causes of death among the elderly include
Coronary heart disease
Cerebrovascular disease
Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease
Dementia inc AlzheimersHow does dementia make you dead?
I have a bit of trouble with that one too.
I’m not trained in medicine but hopefully this will help
https://www.aihw.gov.au/reports/dementia/dementia-in-aus/contents/population-health-impacts-of-dementia/deaths-due-to-dementia
SCIENCE said:
how does anything make you dead
Erotic asphyxia
dv said:
buffy said:
The Rev Dodgson said:How does dementia make you dead?
I have a bit of trouble with that one too.
I’m not trained in medicine but hopefully this will help
https://www.aihw.gov.au/reports/dementia/dementia-in-aus/contents/population-health-impacts-of-dementia/deaths-due-to-dementia
Not really. That’s just how it is dealt with on death certificates. There is debate in the literature about what causes dementia anyway. Vascular dementia I can see a mechanism – lots of little microbleeds could easily affect something relevent to breathing and cardiac. Apparently there is some question about whether the tangles in the brain tissue are actually relevent in Alzheimer’s dementia other than as a marker. Possibly not actually a causative mechanism. For the dementia to kill it has to stop the heart really. If something selectively affected the brain centres for that…but what? As someone mentioned earlier, it’s an autonomic nervous system thing for breathing, and the heart does its own electricals.
buffy said:
dv said:
buffy said:I have a bit of trouble with that one too.
I’m not trained in medicine but hopefully this will help
https://www.aihw.gov.au/reports/dementia/dementia-in-aus/contents/population-health-impacts-of-dementia/deaths-due-to-dementia
Not really. That’s just how it is dealt with on death certificates. There is debate in the literature about what causes dementia anyway. Vascular dementia I can see a mechanism – lots of little microbleeds could easily affect something relevent to breathing and cardiac. Apparently there is some question about whether the tangles in the brain tissue are actually relevent in Alzheimer’s dementia other than as a marker. Possibly not actually a causative mechanism. For the dementia to kill it has to stop the heart really. If something selectively affected the brain centres for that…but what? As someone mentioned earlier, it’s an autonomic nervous system thing for breathing, and the heart does its own electricals.
It’s all a rich tapestry.
Key point is that writing “old age” on the death certificate sounds like quiet quitting. What would he write on the d.c. of a newborn? “Young age”?
dv said:
buffy said:
dv said:I’m not trained in medicine but hopefully this will help
https://www.aihw.gov.au/reports/dementia/dementia-in-aus/contents/population-health-impacts-of-dementia/deaths-due-to-dementia
Not really. That’s just how it is dealt with on death certificates. There is debate in the literature about what causes dementia anyway. Vascular dementia I can see a mechanism – lots of little microbleeds could easily affect something relevent to breathing and cardiac. Apparently there is some question about whether the tangles in the brain tissue are actually relevent in Alzheimer’s dementia other than as a marker. Possibly not actually a causative mechanism. For the dementia to kill it has to stop the heart really. If something selectively affected the brain centres for that…but what? As someone mentioned earlier, it’s an autonomic nervous system thing for breathing, and the heart does its own electricals.
It’s all a rich tapestry.
Key point is that writing “old age” on the death certificate sounds like quiet quitting. What would he write on the d.c. of a newborn? “Young age”?
No. It’s pretty well recognized that you die in old age at some point. You just wear out. Telomeres and all that stuff.
dv said:
buffy said:
dv said:I’m not trained in medicine but hopefully this will help
https://www.aihw.gov.au/reports/dementia/dementia-in-aus/contents/population-health-impacts-of-dementia/deaths-due-to-dementia
Not really. That’s just how it is dealt with on death certificates. There is debate in the literature about what causes dementia anyway. Vascular dementia I can see a mechanism – lots of little microbleeds could easily affect something relevent to breathing and cardiac. Apparently there is some question about whether the tangles in the brain tissue are actually relevent in Alzheimer’s dementia other than as a marker. Possibly not actually a causative mechanism. For the dementia to kill it has to stop the heart really. If something selectively affected the brain centres for that…but what? As someone mentioned earlier, it’s an autonomic nervous system thing for breathing, and the heart does its own electricals.
It’s all a rich tapestry.
Key point is that writing “old age” on the death certificate sounds like quiet quitting. What would he write on the d.c. of a newborn? “Young age”?
It’s not necessary for the public to know that she shot herself.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
buffy said:Not really. That’s just how it is dealt with on death certificates. There is debate in the literature about what causes dementia anyway. Vascular dementia I can see a mechanism – lots of little microbleeds could easily affect something relevent to breathing and cardiac. Apparently there is some question about whether the tangles in the brain tissue are actually relevent in Alzheimer’s dementia other than as a marker. Possibly not actually a causative mechanism. For the dementia to kill it has to stop the heart really. If something selectively affected the brain centres for that…but what? As someone mentioned earlier, it’s an autonomic nervous system thing for breathing, and the heart does its own electricals.
It’s all a rich tapestry.
Key point is that writing “old age” on the death certificate sounds like quiet quitting. What would he write on the d.c. of a newborn? “Young age”?
It’s not necessary for the public to know that she shot herself.
She was certainly in the position to be able to ask for help if she decided she had had enough and had fulfilled her destiny. No-one but her and her helper needed to know.
dv said:
buffy said:
dv said:I’m not trained in medicine but hopefully this will help
https://www.aihw.gov.au/reports/dementia/dementia-in-aus/contents/population-health-impacts-of-dementia/deaths-due-to-dementia
Not really. That’s just how it is dealt with on death certificates. There is debate in the literature about what causes dementia anyway. Vascular dementia I can see a mechanism – lots of little microbleeds could easily affect something relevent to breathing and cardiac. Apparently there is some question about whether the tangles in the brain tissue are actually relevent in Alzheimer’s dementia other than as a marker. Possibly not actually a causative mechanism. For the dementia to kill it has to stop the heart really. If something selectively affected the brain centres for that…but what? As someone mentioned earlier, it’s an autonomic nervous system thing for breathing, and the heart does its own electricals.
It’s all a rich tapestry.
Key point is that writing “old age” on the death certificate sounds like quiet quitting. What would he write on the d.c. of a newborn? “Young age”?
they should write ‘died from boredom’
Arts said:
they should write ‘died from boredom’
Maybe she just decided she didn’t want to hang around for more of the Tory shit-show.
The Rev Dodgson said:
How does dementia make you dead?
Afaik in the late stage it results in poor control of the epiglottis and the structures associated with swallowing which leads to aspiration pneumonia.
buffy said:
dv said:
buffy said:Not really. That’s just how it is dealt with on death certificates. There is debate in the literature about what causes dementia anyway. Vascular dementia I can see a mechanism – lots of little microbleeds could easily affect something relevent to breathing and cardiac. Apparently there is some question about whether the tangles in the brain tissue are actually relevent in Alzheimer’s dementia other than as a marker. Possibly not actually a causative mechanism. For the dementia to kill it has to stop the heart really. If something selectively affected the brain centres for that…but what? As someone mentioned earlier, it’s an autonomic nervous system thing for breathing, and the heart does its own electricals.
It’s all a rich tapestry.
Key point is that writing “old age” on the death certificate sounds like quiet quitting. What would he write on the d.c. of a newborn? “Young age”?
No. It’s pretty well recognized that you die in old age at some point. You just wear out. Telomeres and all that stuff.
No. There’s a cause of death.
Ian said:
The Rev Dodgson said:How does dementia make you dead?
Afaik in the late stage it results in poor control of the epiglottis and the structures associated with swallowing which leads to aspiration pneumonia.
Ah..pneumonia. “The Old Man’s Friend” (Quote from my mother’s family)
Arts said:
dv said:
buffy said:Not really. That’s just how it is dealt with on death certificates. There is debate in the literature about what causes dementia anyway. Vascular dementia I can see a mechanism – lots of little microbleeds could easily affect something relevent to breathing and cardiac. Apparently there is some question about whether the tangles in the brain tissue are actually relevent in Alzheimer’s dementia other than as a marker. Possibly not actually a causative mechanism. For the dementia to kill it has to stop the heart really. If something selectively affected the brain centres for that…but what? As someone mentioned earlier, it’s an autonomic nervous system thing for breathing, and the heart does its own electricals.
It’s all a rich tapestry.
Key point is that writing “old age” on the death certificate sounds like quiet quitting. What would he write on the d.c. of a newborn? “Young age”?
they should write ‘died from boredom’
“Touched by Truss”
I wonder whether they use some kind of dam when doing kiss-hands these days.
buffy said:
Ian said:
The Rev Dodgson said:How does dementia make you dead?
Afaik in the late stage it results in poor control of the epiglottis and the structures associated with swallowing which leads to aspiration pneumonia.
Ah..pneumonia. “The Old Man’s Friend” (Quote from my mother’s family)
‘The Old Man’s Doctor’s Friend’.
When you really can’t tell, just put down ‘pneumonia’. Never gets questioned.
To be clear, I’m not denying that deterioration increase the yearly risk of death in the elderly, nor that humans are mortal, but we’re past the stage where a med can just say “old person not alive any more” as a c.o.d.
dv said:
To be clear, I’m not denying that deterioration increase the yearly risk of death in the elderly, nor that humans are mortal, but we’re past the stage where a med can just say “old person not alive any more” as a c.o.d.
in the contrary I think they should just write that on everyone.. reason for death: unalived. and be done with it
Arts said:
dv said:
To be clear, I’m not denying that deterioration increase the yearly risk of death in the elderly, nor that humans are mortal, but we’re past the stage where a med can just say “old person not alive any more” as a c.o.d.
in the contrary I think they should just write that on everyone.. reason for death: unalived. and be done with it
From a physics perspective all deaths are from natural causes.
Arts said:
dv said:
To be clear, I’m not denying that deterioration increase the yearly risk of death in the elderly, nor that humans are mortal, but we’re past the stage where a med can just say “old person not alive any more” as a c.o.d.
in the contrary I think they should just write that on everyone.. reason for death: unalived. and be done with it
why did they die? they were old
why did they die? they were not old but made a stupid choice
why did they die? they were not old and smart but someone else made a stupid choice
why did they die? bored
why did they die? they are alive on an island with Elvis and the Queen.
dv said:
To be clear, I’m not denying that deterioration increase the yearly risk of death in the elderly, nor that humans are mortal, but we’re past the stage where a med can just say “old person not alive any more” as a c.o.d.
I think you should be able to. Sometimes it’s true. If you have lived to or beyond life expectancy and you just quietly go to sleep and don’t wake up…you just died because you were old. Mr buffy says “everyone dies because their heart stopped. So cause of death is heart failure in all cases”.
Arts said:
dv said:
buffy said:
Not really. That’s just how it is dealt with on death certificates. There is debate in the literature about what causes dementia anyway. Vascular dementia I can see a mechanism – lots of little microbleeds could easily affect something relevent to breathing and cardiac. Apparently there is some question about whether the tangles in the brain tissue are actually relevent in Alzheimer’s dementia other than as a marker. Possibly not actually a causative mechanism. For the dementia to kill it has to stop the heart really. If something selectively affected the brain centres for that…but what? As someone mentioned earlier, it’s an autonomic nervous system thing for breathing, and the heart does its own electricals.
It’s all a rich tapestry.
Key point is that writing “old age” on the death certificate sounds like quiet quitting. What would he write on the d.c. of a newborn? “Young age”?
they should write ‘died from boredom’
let’s be fair the correct cause of death is “No Longer Alive” that’s all there is to it
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
Arts said:
dv said:
Arts said:
dv said:
It’s all a rich tapestry.
Key point is that writing “old age” on the death certificate sounds like quiet quitting. What would he write on the d.c. of a newborn? “Young age”?
they should write ‘died from boredom’
To be clear, I’m not denying that deterioration increase the yearly risk of death in the elderly, nor that humans are mortal, but we’re past the stage where a med can just say “old person not alive any more” as a c.o.d.
in the contrary I think they should just write that on everyone.. reason for death: unalived. and be done with it
From a physics perspective all deaths are from natural causes.
let’s be fair the correct cause of death is “No Longer Alive” that’s all there is to it
fk beaten by Arts again this is unacceptable and a form of abuse
buffy said:
dv said:
To be clear, I’m not denying that deterioration increase the yearly risk of death in the elderly, nor that humans are mortal, but we’re past the stage where a med can just say “old person not alive any more” as a c.o.d.
I think you should be able to. Sometimes it’s true. If you have lived to or beyond life expectancy and you just quietly go to sleep and don’t wake up…you just died because you were old. Mr buffy says “everyone dies because their heart stopped. So cause of death is heart failure in all cases”.
we mean fair enough that was probably the primary cause in cases of guillotine
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
From a physics perspective all deaths are from natural causes.
let’s be fair the correct cause of death is “No Longer Alive” that’s all there is to it
fk beaten by Arts again this is unacceptable and a form of abuse
I would like to withdraw myself from consideration
Arts said:
SCIENCE said:SCIENCE said:
let’s be fair the correct cause of death is “No Longer Alive” that’s all there is to it
fk beaten by Arts again this is unacceptable and a form of abuse
I would like to withdraw myself from consideration
‘E’s not pinin’! ‘E’s passed on! This Queen is no more! She has ceased to be! ‘E’s expired and gone to meet ‘er maker! ‘E’s a stiff! Bereft of life, ‘e rests in peace! If you hadn’t nailed ‘er to the perch ‘e’d be pushing up the daisies! ‘Er metabolic processes are now ‘istory! ‘E’s off the twig! ‘E’s kicked the bucket, ‘e’s shuffled off ‘is mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin’ choir invisible!! THIS IS AN EX-QUEEN!!
Bogsnorkler said:
Arts said:
SCIENCE said:fk beaten by Arts again this is unacceptable and a form of abuse
I would like to withdraw myself from consideration
‘E’s not pinin’! ‘E’s passed on! This Queen is no more! She has ceased to be! ‘E’s expired and gone to meet ‘er maker! ‘E’s a stiff! Bereft of life, ‘e rests in peace! If you hadn’t nailed ‘er to the perch ‘e’d be pushing up the daisies! ‘Er metabolic processes are now ‘istory! ‘E’s off the twig! ‘E’s kicked the bucket, ‘e’s shuffled off ‘is mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin’ choir invisible!! THIS IS AN EX-QUEEN!!
like Freddie Mercury.
anyway dv will be pleased to know we finally found the answer to this one
the initial contributor does acknowledge the typographical error and it should be “inhomogeneity” but the point doesn’t change
SCIENCE said:
anyway dv will be pleased to know we finally found the answer to this one
the initial contributor does acknowledge the typographical error and it should be “inhomogeneity” but the point doesn’t change
Fuck me dead having an anaesthetist say that would be terrifying. I’d ask for a replacement.
On advice from Truss, Charles has cancelled his appearance at COP27 (2022 United Nations Climate Change Conference). He had planned it long before he acceded to the throne.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-63105522
dv said:
On advice from Truss, Charles has cancelled his appearance at COP27 (2022 United Nations Climate Change Conference). He had planned it long before he acceded to the throne.https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-63105522
Wise advice, he’s Kink now and as such above politics.
The Queen set and exemplary standard.
https://youtu.be/mgPRqjJCUyE
Dr Lindsay the linguist analyses how William and Harry’s speech differs from Charles’s.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_IX,_Landgrave_of_Hesse-Darmstadt
Louis IX of Hesse-Darmstadt (15 December 1719 – 6 April 1790) is now the most recent common ancestor of all living reigning European monarchs.The Coronation will be held on 6 May 2023.
dv said:
The Coronation will be held on 6 May 2023.
Does the pomp and pageantry start now though
dv said:
The Coronation will be held on 6 May 2023.
Looking at the list of participants I furrowed my brow seeing “Lord Keeper of The Privy Seal, The Lord True”.
But that’s just the dude’s name, Nicholas True.
dv said:
The Coronation will be held on 6 May 2023.
dv said:
dv said:
The Coronation will be held on 6 May 2023.
Looking at the list of participants I furrowed my brow seeing “Lord Keeper of The Privy Seal, The Lord True”.
But that’s just the dude’s name, Nicholas True.
Dark Orange said:
dv said:
dv said:
The Coronation will be held on 6 May 2023.
Looking at the list of participants I furrowed my brow seeing “Lord Keeper of The Privy Seal, The Lord True”.
But that’s just the dude’s name, Nicholas True.
I’ve heard of ‘Toilet Duck’, but ‘Privy Seal’?
captain_spalding said:
Dark Orange said:
dv said:Looking at the list of participants I furrowed my brow seeing “Lord Keeper of The Privy Seal, The Lord True”.
But that’s just the dude’s name, Nicholas True.
I’ve heard of ‘Toilet Duck’, but ‘Privy Seal’?
Heh
