Everything is either wrong or biased or implemented poorly or irrelevant or obsolete.

Prove me wrong.

mollwollfumble said:

Everything is either wrong or biased or implemented poorly or irrelevant or obsolete.

Prove me wrong.

If it is true that everything is wrong then you have proved yourself wrong.

The Rev Dodgson said:

mollwollfumble said:

Everything is either wrong or biased or implemented poorly or irrelevant or obsolete.

Prove me wrong.

If it is true that everything is wrong then you have proved yourself wrong.

Which is why I hadn’t tried his suggestion.

The Rev Dodgson said:

mollwollfumble said:

Everything is either wrong or biased or implemented poorly or irrelevant or obsolete.

Prove me wrong.

If it is true that everything is wrong then you have proved yourself wrong.

Which proves them both right & wrong at the same time.

Tamb said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

mollwollfumble said:

Everything is either wrong or biased or implemented poorly or irrelevant or obsolete.

Prove me wrong.

If it is true that everything is wrong then you have proved yourself wrong.

Which proves them both right & wrong at the same time.

Harmony is restored. The universe is in balance. Be at peace, my children.

Tamb said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

mollwollfumble said:

Everything is either wrong or biased or implemented poorly or irrelevant or obsolete.

Prove me wrong.

If it is true that everything is wrong then you have proved yourself wrong.

Which proves them both right & wrong at the same time.

No, just as it is possible that Cretans in general are the most honest of people, but Epimenides is a liar, it is also possible that many things are not wrong, but the statement “everything is wrong” is wrong.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Tamb said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

If it is true that everything is wrong then you have proved yourself wrong.

Which proves them both right & wrong at the same time.

No, just as it is possible that Cretans in general are the most honest of people, but Epimenides is a liar, it is also possible that many things are not wrong, but the statement “everything is wrong” is wrong.

And therefore true.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Tamb said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

If it is true that everything is wrong then you have proved yourself wrong.

Which proves them both right & wrong at the same time.

No, just as it is possible that Cretans in general are the most honest of people, but Epimenides is a liar, it is also possible that many things are not wrong, but the statement “everything is wrong” is wrong.

what about science? all of that is wrong. isn’t it?

ChrispenEvan said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Tamb said:

Which proves them both right & wrong at the same time.

No, just as it is possible that Cretans in general are the most honest of people, but Epimenides is a liar, it is also possible that many things are not wrong, but the statement “everything is wrong” is wrong.

what about science? all of that is wrong. isn’t it?

You forgot to use capitals.

Everything is Broken

Tamb said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Tamb said:

Which proves them both right & wrong at the same time.

No, just as it is possible that Cretans in general are the most honest of people, but Epimenides is a liar, it is also possible that many things are not wrong, but the statement “everything is wrong” is wrong.

And therefore true.

One thing being wrong doesn’t make “everything wrong”.

ChrispenEvan said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Tamb said:

Which proves them both right & wrong at the same time.

No, just as it is possible that Cretans in general are the most honest of people, but Epimenides is a liar, it is also possible that many things are not wrong, but the statement “everything is wrong” is wrong.

what about science? all of that is wrong. isn’t it?

So I’ve heard.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Tamb said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

No, just as it is possible that Cretans in general are the most honest of people, but Epimenides is a liar, it is also possible that many things are not wrong, but the statement “everything is wrong” is wrong.

And therefore true.

One thing being wrong doesn’t make “everything wrong”.

again, everything wrong does not make everything right.

The Rev Dodgson said:

ChrispenEvan said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

No, just as it is possible that Cretans in general are the most honest of people, but Epimenides is a liar, it is also possible that many things are not wrong, but the statement “everything is wrong” is wrong.

what about science? all of that is wrong. isn’t it?

So I’ve heard.

Thought the usual answer was, “we don’t know for sure”.

Ian said:

Everything is Broken

ta for the link.

mollwollfumble said:

Everything is either wrong or biased or implemented poorly or irrelevant or obsolete.

Prove me wrong.

ChrispenEvan said:

what about science? all of that is wrong. isn’t it?

All of science is irrelevant. Science is just a game that people play.
Science that claims to be relevant is either history or crystal ball gazing.

mollwollfumble said:

mollwollfumble said:

Everything is either wrong or biased or implemented poorly or irrelevant or obsolete.

Prove me wrong.

ChrispenEvan said:

what about science? all of that is wrong. isn’t it?

All of science is irrelevant. Science is just a game that people play.
Science that claims to be relevant is either history or crystal ball gazing.

What a strange thing to say in a meeting place that would not exist if it were not for science.

The Rev Dodgson said:

mollwollfumble said:

mollwollfumble said:

Everything is either wrong or biased or implemented poorly or irrelevant or obsolete.

Prove me wrong.

ChrispenEvan said:

what about science? all of that is wrong. isn’t it?

All of science is irrelevant. Science is just a game that people play.
Science that claims to be relevant is either history or crystal ball gazing.

What a strange thing to say in a meeting place that would not exist if it were not for science.

A lot of strange things get said here.

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

ChrispenEvan said:

what about science? all of that is wrong. isn’t it?

So I’ve heard.

Thought the usual answer was, “we don’t know for sure”.

Followed by, ‘but new data are coming in all the time. And so much of it from the amateurs. They really are doing such splendid work.’

This isn’t perfect, but it’s what I use as an example of something that’s nearly so.

Apart from small tweaks with the metallurgy there’s pretty much nothing you can do to improve it. It’s about as good as it’s possible to get.

roughbarked said:

A lot of strange things get said here.

And the stranger I can be, the better. It’s my deliberate policy of thinking outside the box.

I deliberately avoided the “all Cretans are liars” paradox. ie. Douglas Adams “they discovered only a small asteroid inhabited by a solitary old man who claimed repeatedly that nothing was true, though he was later found to be lying”; By including biased, poorly implemented and obsolete as crap.

The closest I can come to something that isn’t crap is food and water distribution, electric power distribution and sewage treatment. Medical care. Shelter. Peace.

And yet these are obsolete and poorly implemented.

The undersea cables linking every country in the world possibly comes closest to “not crap”. It’s a bloomin’ marvel.

From the animal realm I’d give a nod to sharks, crocodiles, and crabs.
They haven’t really changed in many millions of years so they must be doing something right.

Spiny Norman said:

From the animal realm I’d give a nod to sharks, crocodiles, and crabs.
They haven’t really changed in many millions of years so they must be doing something right.

yeah they stay away from humans (mostly)

Arts said:

Spiny Norman said:

From the animal realm I’d give a nod to sharks, crocodiles, and crabs.
They haven’t really changed in many millions of years so they must be doing something right.

yeah they stay away from humans (mostly)

Unless they decide to make a point.

Two wrongs don’t make a right, hey what but.

mollwollfumble said:

roughbarked said:

A lot of strange things get said here.

And the stranger I can be, the better. It’s my deliberate policy of thinking outside the box.

I deliberately avoided the “all Cretans are liars” paradox. ie. Douglas Adams “they discovered only a small asteroid inhabited by a solitary old man who claimed repeatedly that nothing was true, though he was later found to be lying”; By including biased, poorly implemented and obsolete as crap.

The closest I can come to something that isn’t crap is food and water distribution, electric power distribution and sewage treatment. Medical care. Shelter. Peace.

And yet these are obsolete and poorly implemented.

The undersea cables linking every country in the world possibly comes closest to “not crap”. It’s a bloomin’ marvel.

All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what have the scientists* ever done for us?

• That should be engineers of course, but engineers do use the work of scientists.

Woodie said:

Two wrongs don’t make a right, hey what but.

Three lefts make a right, when you’re driving a car.

Woodie said:

Two wrongs don’t make a right, hey what but.

In the old South Africa it was: Two Wongs don’t make a white.

captain_spalding said:

Woodie said:

Two wrongs don’t make a right, hey what but.

Three lefts make a right, when you’re driving a car.

3 × 90 = 270

mollwollfumble said:

Everything is either wrong or biased or implemented poorly or irrelevant or obsolete.

Prove me wrong.

we exist

mollwollfumble said:

roughbarked said:

A lot of strange things get said here.

And the stranger I can be, the better. It’s my deliberate policy of thinking outside the box.

I deliberately avoided the “all Cretans are liars” paradox. ie. Douglas Adams “they discovered only a small asteroid inhabited by a solitary old man who claimed repeatedly that nothing was true, though he was later found to be lying”; By including biased, poorly implemented and obsolete as crap.

The closest I can come to something that isn’t crap is food and water distribution, electric power distribution and sewage treatment. Medical care. Shelter. Peace.

And yet these are obsolete and poorly implemented.

The undersea cables linking every country in the world possibly comes closest to “not crap”. It’s a bloomin’ marvel.

So if the question wasn’t wrong, was it biased or implemented poorly or irrelevant or obsolete?

fortunate thing large part my reality is anchored courtesy gravity, or the actual physics of the world, that there are things independent of my conceptualizations, independent of representations that minds do

it’s not very democratic really, the physics of the world, funny thing that, it’s broadly even resistant to consensus, certainly mob consensus, doesn’t even need study its own stupid, can’t avoid its own stupid

mollwollfumble said:

Everything is either wrong or biased or implemented poorly or irrelevant or obsolete.

Prove me wrong.

Before I ever joined the forum, I was a fully paid-up cynic.
And although I seldom write for the movement nowadays, I still retain membership.

mollwollfumble said:

mollwollfumble said:

Everything is either wrong or biased or implemented poorly or irrelevant or obsolete.

Prove me wrong.

Before I ever joined the forum, I was a fully paid-up cynic.
And although I seldom write for the movement nowadays, I still retain membership.

How can someone who voluntarily joins a society that requires them to think in a restrictive and specifically defined way possibly be a genuine cynic?

mollwollfumble said:

mollwollfumble said:

Everything is either wrong or biased or implemented poorly or irrelevant or obsolete.

Prove me wrong.

Before I ever joined the forum, I was a fully paid-up cynic.
And although I seldom write for the movement nowadays, I still retain membership.

Spiny Norman said:

This isn’t perfect, but it’s what I use as an example of something that’s nearly so.

Apart from small tweaks with the metallurgy there’s pretty much nothing you can do to improve it. It’s about as good as it’s possible to get.

Good choice!

Not quite good enough, though. I am continually finding that the tip isn’t sharp enough, or too blunt to be useful. So I need to carry at least four Phillips head screwdrivers around wherever I go. And as for length, short shaft or long shaft, nothing is good enough on its own, because the bulk of the cordless screwdriver keeps interfering with whatever.

mollwollfumble said:

Not quite good enough, though. I am continually finding that the tip isn’t sharp enough, or too blunt to be useful. So I need to carry at least four Phillips head screwdrivers around wherever I go. And as for length, short shaft or long shaft, nothing is good enough on its own, because the bulk of the cordless screwdriver keeps interfering with whatever.

If it doesn’t fit properly that means you aren’t using the correct bit. There’s many variations of the Phillips head types. I prefer the JIS ones, they see to work better than most others and are a bit more flexible with the limiting sizes.

mollwollfumble said:

mollwollfumble said:

Everything is either wrong or biased or implemented poorly or irrelevant or obsolete.

Prove me wrong.

Before I ever joined the forum, I was a fully paid-up cynic.
And although I seldom write for the movement nowadays, I still retain membership.

why is it a trade off

Spiny Norman said:

mollwollfumble said:

Not quite good enough, though. I am continually finding that the tip isn’t sharp enough, or too blunt to be useful. So I need to carry at least four Phillips head screwdrivers around wherever I go. And as for length, short shaft or long shaft, nothing is good enough on its own, because the bulk of the cordless screwdriver keeps interfering with whatever.

If it doesn’t fit properly that means you aren’t using the correct bit. There’s many variations of the Phillips head types. I prefer the JIS ones, they see to work better than most others and are a bit more flexible with the limiting sizes.

^this.

ChrispenEvan said:

Spiny Norman said:

mollwollfumble said:

Not quite good enough, though. I am continually finding that the tip isn’t sharp enough, or too blunt to be useful. So I need to carry at least four Phillips head screwdrivers around wherever I go. And as for length, short shaft or long shaft, nothing is good enough on its own, because the bulk of the cordless screwdriver keeps interfering with whatever.

If it doesn’t fit properly that means you aren’t using the correct bit. There’s many variations of the Phillips head types. I prefer the JIS ones, they see to work better than most others and are a bit more flexible with the limiting sizes.

^this.

Unmistakably this ^

Spiny Norman said:

This isn’t perfect, but it’s what I use as an example of something that’s nearly so.

Apart from small tweaks with the metallurgy there’s pretty much nothing you can do to improve it. It’s about as good as it’s possible to get.

I see your phillips drive and it’s almost-but-not-quite compatible Pozi-drive brother, and raise you a:

I have never come across a stripped head in any torx fastener.

Dark Orange said:

Spiny Norman said:

This isn’t perfect, but it’s what I use as an example of something that’s nearly so.

Apart from small tweaks with the metallurgy there’s pretty much nothing you can do to improve it. It’s about as good as it’s possible to get.

I see your phillips drive and it’s almost-but-not-quite compatible Pozi-drive brother, and raise you a:

I have never come across a stripped head in any torx fastener.

Agreed.
I guess you could also easily add a large number of spanners to the list. I’ve got my favourites sitting in the toolbox downstairs.

mollwollfumble said:

mollwollfumble said:

Everything is either wrong or biased or implemented poorly or irrelevant or obsolete.

Prove me wrong.

ChrispenEvan said:

what about science? all of that is wrong. isn’t it?

All of science is irrelevant. Science is just a game that people play.
Science that claims to be relevant is either history or crystal ball gazing.

That does help explain most of your posts.

PermeateFree said:

mollwollfumble said:

mollwollfumble said:

Everything is either wrong or biased or implemented poorly or irrelevant or obsolete.

Prove me wrong.

ChrispenEvan said:

what about science? all of that is wrong. isn’t it?

All of science is irrelevant. Science is just a game that people play.
Science that claims to be relevant is either history or crystal ball gazing.

That does help explain most of your posts.

Yes. It does :-)

mollwollfumble said:

PermeateFree said:

mollwollfumble said:

All of science is irrelevant. Science is just a game that people play.
Science that claims to be relevant is either history or crystal ball gazing.

That does help explain most of your posts.

Yes. It does :-)

you’re all so mean

Humans as a race have crapped things up, this planet being a good example.
We should give ourselves credit for everything we have created, just not the way it’s been implemented, laziness and greed

Cymek said:

Humans as a race have crapped things up, this planet being a good example.
We should give ourselves credit for everything we have created, just not the way it’s been implemented, laziness and greed

luckily we divide ourselves into different races so only the other races are the ones at fault

credit to the master race

How can everything be crap when yellow bellied toads have loveheart shaped eyes?

dv said:

How can everything be crap when yellow bellied toads have loveheart shaped eyes?

Cardioid Resembling Amphibian Pupils

SCIENCE said:

Cymek said:

Humans as a race have crapped things up, this planet being a good example.
We should give ourselves credit for everything we have created, just not the way it’s been implemented, laziness and greed

luckily we divide ourselves into different races so only the other races are the ones at fault

credit to the master race

There is that yes

“Everything is crap”

I hope you realise that I’m channelling Kim Gyngell from the TV comedy “Full Frontal” here.

You didn’t realise that?

His most notable characters include “Leon” the art critic who used to show up on talk shows and say the word “Crap”.

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

How can everything be crap when yellow bellied toads have loveheart shaped eyes?

Cardioid Resembling Amphibian Pupils

heh

Cymek said:

Humans as a race have crapped things up, this planet being a good example.
We should give ourselves credit for everything we have created, just not the way it’s been implemented, laziness and greed

We have done good along with the bad. I’m not sure why we keep contnuiing to do bad while the good things we have done show us the errors of our ways and all we need to do is take heed and act accordingly.

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

How can everything be crap when yellow bellied toads have loveheart shaped eyes?

Cardioid Resembling Amphibian Pupils

heh

This is part of why I hang around.. ;)