Once thought to have the second best military in the world, it is now possible that that they may well only have the second best military in Ukraine. (Not said in jest)

The best parts of that military is rusting or rotting in wheat fields in a foreign country, or providing food and shelter for fish in the black sea.

No Western country wants to sell them anything, nor buy their oil and the only countries that will trade with them are not their friends.

So where to now for Russia? If they do manage to take over Ukraine, they will at the very least have food to feed the masses. If they only manage to hold on to what they have now, they have ports they can’t really use. If they retreat, they are pretty much fucked.

Time to stick a fork into them I think.

Dark Orange said:

Once thought to have the second best military in the world, it is now possible that that they may well only have the second best military in Ukraine. (Not said in jest)

The best parts of that military is rusting or rotting in wheat fields in a foreign country, or providing food and shelter for fish in the black sea.

No Western country wants to sell them anything, nor buy their oil and the only countries that will trade with them are not their friends.

So where to now for Russia? If they do manage to take over Ukraine, they will at the very least have food to feed the masses. If they only manage to hold on to what they have now, they have ports they can’t really use. If they retreat, they are pretty much fucked.

Time to stick a fork into them I think.

Poke them with a skewer to test to see if they are cooked properly?

Time for empire building by the neighbours, this will end well¡

SCIENCE said:

Time for empire building by the neighbours, this will end well¡

To merge with the one China?

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

Time for empire building by the neighbours, this will end well¡

To merge with the one China?

maybe Poland can do it

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

Time for empire building by the neighbours, this will end well¡

To merge with the one China?

maybe Poland can do it

The EU could perhaps.

I’m not sure this is “the end of Russia” in any meaningful way.

The question will be is if this is the catalyst for regime change, but as I was saying yesterday the Russian public is largely a-political… the social contract in Russia is essentially “if Putin can ensure that most Russians can increase their standard of living, then the people will stay out of politics”…

diddly-squat said:

I’m not sure this is “the end of Russia” in any meaningful way.

The question will be is if this is the catalyst for regime change, but as I was saying yesterday the Russian public is largely a-political… the social contract in Russia is essentially “if Putin can ensure that most Russians can increase their standard of living, then the people will stay out of politics”…

Centuries of oppression under the Tsars & then the Communists has taught the people to be apolitical & agree with whoever is in power.

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

Time for empire building by the neighbours, this will end well¡

To merge with the one China?

maybe Poland can do it

Xi Jinping will travel to Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan in his first trip abroad since the early days of the pandemic.

Dark Orange said:

Once thought to have the second best military in the world, it is now possible that that they may well only have the second best military in Ukraine. (Not said in jest)

The best parts of that military is rusting or rotting in wheat fields in a foreign country, or providing food and shelter for fish in the black sea.

No Western country wants to sell them anything, nor buy their oil and the only countries that will trade with them are not their friends.

So where to now for Russia? If they do manage to take over Ukraine, they will at the very least have food to feed the masses. If they only manage to hold on to what they have now, they have ports they can’t really use. If they retreat, they are pretty much fucked.

Time to stick a fork into them I think.

Russia may have some low times but they have enormous mineral resources and agricultural resources, and the 2nd biggest nuclear arsenal. There’s no scenario that means they are completely irrelevant.

dv said:

Dark Orange said:

Once thought to have the second best military in the world, it is now possible that that they may well only have the second best military in Ukraine. (Not said in jest)

The best parts of that military is rusting or rotting in wheat fields in a foreign country, or providing food and shelter for fish in the black sea.

No Western country wants to sell them anything, nor buy their oil and the only countries that will trade with them are not their friends.

So where to now for Russia? If they do manage to take over Ukraine, they will at the very least have food to feed the masses. If they only manage to hold on to what they have now, they have ports they can’t really use. If they retreat, they are pretty much fucked.

Time to stick a fork into them I think.

Russia may have some low times but they have enormous mineral resources and agricultural resources, and the 2nd biggest nuclear arsenal. There’s no scenario that means they are completely irrelevant.

True. However, they may well also end up in recession.

diddly-squat said:

I’m not sure this is “the end of Russia” in any meaningful way.

The question will be is if this is the catalyst for regime change, but as I was saying yesterday the Russian public is largely a-political… the social contract in Russia is essentially “if Putin can ensure that most Russians can increase their standard of living, then the people will stay out of politics”…

Note that he hasn’t done this in over a decade. The Russian economy has stagnated since 2008.
Put it another way: in 2008, Russia’s GDP was 70% higher than Australia’s. Now they are basically level.

roughbarked said:

dv said:

Dark Orange said:

Once thought to have the second best military in the world, it is now possible that that they may well only have the second best military in Ukraine. (Not said in jest)

The best parts of that military is rusting or rotting in wheat fields in a foreign country, or providing food and shelter for fish in the black sea.

No Western country wants to sell them anything, nor buy their oil and the only countries that will trade with them are not their friends.

So where to now for Russia? If they do manage to take over Ukraine, they will at the very least have food to feed the masses. If they only manage to hold on to what they have now, they have ports they can’t really use. If they retreat, they are pretty much fucked.

Time to stick a fork into them I think.

Russia may have some low times but they have enormous mineral resources and agricultural resources, and the 2nd biggest nuclear arsenal. There’s no scenario that means they are completely irrelevant.

True. However, they may well also end up in recession.

In real terms they have been in a recession for ages.

dv said:

roughbarked said:

dv said:

Russia may have some low times but they have enormous mineral resources and agricultural resources, and the 2nd biggest nuclear arsenal. There’s no scenario that means they are completely irrelevant.

True. However, they may well also end up in recession.

In real terms they have been in a recession for ages.

Wonder how many years of military spending they’ve lost in the war with Ukraine

Cymek said:

dv said:

roughbarked said:

True. However, they may well also end up in recession.

In real terms they have been in a recession for ages.

Wonder how many years of military spending they’ve lost in the war with Ukraine

They lost most of that through corruption.

Dark Orange said:

Cymek said:

dv said:

In real terms they have been in a recession for ages.

Wonder how many years of military spending they’ve lost in the war with Ukraine

They lost most of that through corruption.

> Wonder how many years of military spending they’ve lost in the war with Ukraine

Do you want to add Syria and Afghanistan to that?

PS. Did the Russians win in those countries, or did America?
Russia won in Syria, didn’t it? America backed out of the war without a rebel victory over the government.

As for the end of Russia. That occurred when America took all 200 tons of their weapons grade highly enriched uranium away.
And Russia is not and never has been even a bit-player in computer technology.

mollwollfumble said:

And Russia is not and never has been even a bit-player in computer technology.

True, but they (like China) have quite a lot of hackers in government employ. It’s believed that they influenced the US 2016 election.

Spiny Norman said:

mollwollfumble said:

And Russia is not and never has been even a bit-player in computer technology.

True, but they (like China) have quite a lot of hackers in government employ. It’s believed that they influenced the US 2016 election.

It’s a cheap form of warfare

mollwollfumble said:

Dark Orange said:

Cymek said:

Wonder how many years of military spending they’ve lost in the war with Ukraine

They lost most of that through corruption.

> Wonder how many years of military spending they’ve lost in the war with Ukraine

Do you want to add Syria and Afghanistan to that?

PS. Did the Russians win in those countries, or did America?
Russia won in Syria, didn’t it? America backed out of the war without a rebel victory over the government.

As for the end of Russia. That occurred when America took all 200 tons of their weapons grade highly enriched uranium away.
And Russia is not and never has been even a bit-player in computer technology.

Are you sure about that my first computer was from the Soviet Union

Mezhdunarodnyye Biznes Mashiny is a good brand

diddly-squat said:

I’m not sure this is “the end of Russia” in any meaningful way.

The question will be is if this is the catalyst for regime change, but as I was saying yesterday the Russian public is largely a-political… the social contract in Russia is essentially “if Putin can ensure that most Russians can increase their standard of living, then the people will stay out of politics”…

It is the end of Russian participation in the globalised world trade economic system. The system that was created by the West. After the Cold War it was expanded to include other countries which were previously considered as strategic rivals and potential adversaries.

The calculation was that participation in globalised world trade would eventually draw these nations into greater and greater democratic freedoms as the people got more and more prosperity. This calculation turns out to have been seriously wrong. Autocratic and corrupt regimes just use the new economic prosperity to build their armed forces and the secret state apparatus to keep the population oppressed and obedient.

I think the world order will shrink back into “trusted players only” and “others”. Russia will be an “other” and only a trade partner of last resort. The desire to include everyone first and hope they change later has proven to be a mistake.

party_pants said:

diddly-squat said:

I’m not sure this is “the end of Russia” in any meaningful way.

The question will be is if this is the catalyst for regime change, but as I was saying yesterday the Russian public is largely a-political… the social contract in Russia is essentially “if Putin can ensure that most Russians can increase their standard of living, then the people will stay out of politics”…

It is the end of Russian participation in the globalised world trade economic system. The system that was created by the West. After the Cold War it was expanded to include other countries which were previously considered as strategic rivals and potential adversaries.

The calculation was that participation in globalised world trade would eventually draw these nations into greater and greater democratic freedoms as the people got more and more prosperity. This calculation turns out to have been seriously wrong. Autocratic and corrupt regimes just use the new economic prosperity to build their armed forces and the secret state apparatus to keep the population oppressed and obedient.

I think the world order will shrink back into “trusted players only” and “others”. Russia will be an “other” and only a trade partner of last resort. The desire to include everyone first and hope they change later has proven to be a mistake.

I would hope so, but this is certainly not happening to our dealings with China, so…

Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

diddly-squat said:

I’m not sure this is “the end of Russia” in any meaningful way.

The question will be is if this is the catalyst for regime change, but as I was saying yesterday the Russian public is largely a-political… the social contract in Russia is essentially “if Putin can ensure that most Russians can increase their standard of living, then the people will stay out of politics”…

It is the end of Russian participation in the globalised world trade economic system. The system that was created by the West. After the Cold War it was expanded to include other countries which were previously considered as strategic rivals and potential adversaries.

The calculation was that participation in globalised world trade would eventually draw these nations into greater and greater democratic freedoms as the people got more and more prosperity. This calculation turns out to have been seriously wrong. Autocratic and corrupt regimes just use the new economic prosperity to build their armed forces and the secret state apparatus to keep the population oppressed and obedient.

I think the world order will shrink back into “trusted players only” and “others”. Russia will be an “other” and only a trade partner of last resort. The desire to include everyone first and hope they change later has proven to be a mistake.

I would hope so, but this is certainly not happening to our dealings with China, so…

I think disengagement with China is already happening.

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

It is the end of Russian participation in the globalised world trade economic system. The system that was created by the West. After the Cold War it was expanded to include other countries which were previously considered as strategic rivals and potential adversaries.

The calculation was that participation in globalised world trade would eventually draw these nations into greater and greater democratic freedoms as the people got more and more prosperity. This calculation turns out to have been seriously wrong. Autocratic and corrupt regimes just use the new economic prosperity to build their armed forces and the secret state apparatus to keep the population oppressed and obedient.

I think the world order will shrink back into “trusted players only” and “others”. Russia will be an “other” and only a trade partner of last resort. The desire to include everyone first and hope they change later has proven to be a mistake.

I would hope so, but this is certainly not happening to our dealings with China, so…

I think disengagement with China is already happening.

China is still by far our largest trading partner.

Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

I would hope so, but this is certainly not happening to our dealings with China, so…

I think disengagement with China is already happening.

China is still by far our largest trading partner.

Yes, for now. They are heading for a deep recession because of Covid bursting their housing bubble. If they are not already in recession. This will last a long time and be like the Japanese “lost decade” after their real estate bubble burst. The future is not bright. Their demographics will start to bite soon too and choke off any attempts at reviving the economy.

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

I think disengagement with China is already happening.

China is still by far our largest trading partner.

Yes, for now. They are heading for a deep recession because of Covid bursting their housing bubble. If they are not already in recession. This will last a long time and be like the Japanese “lost decade” after their real estate bubble burst. The future is not bright. Their demographics will start to bite soon too and choke off any attempts at reviving the economy.

so they should just let COVID-19 rip and get rid of them top heavy demographics and it’ll all be good

SCIENCE said:

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

China is still by far our largest trading partner.

Yes, for now. They are heading for a deep recession because of Covid bursting their housing bubble. If they are not already in recession. This will last a long time and be like the Japanese “lost decade” after their real estate bubble burst. The future is not bright. Their demographics will start to bite soon too and choke off any attempts at reviving the economy.

so they should just let COVID-19 rip and get rid of them top heavy demographics and it’ll all be good

no

https://www.ft.com/content/d9cdc51f-5fe3-4f4a-b0e8-054ef21a2a6e

Russia’s budget surplus for 2022 has almost evaporated after a sharp drop in energy exports during August led to a monthly deficit of as much as Rbs360bn ($5.9bn).

Russia recorded a surplus of almost Rbs500bn in the first seven months of the year. But the cumulative total fell to only Rbs137bn last month, suggesting a big deficit in August which economists attributed to sharp declines in oil and gas revenues. Russia’s surplus over the first six months of the year reached Rbs1.37tn as it built a war chest on the back of soaring energy prices.

party_pants said:

diddly-squat said:

I’m not sure this is “the end of Russia” in any meaningful way.

The question will be is if this is the catalyst for regime change, but as I was saying yesterday the Russian public is largely a-political… the social contract in Russia is essentially “if Putin can ensure that most Russians can increase their standard of living, then the people will stay out of politics”…

It is the end of Russian participation in the globalised world trade economic system. The system that was created by the West. After the Cold War it was expanded to include other countries which were previously considered as strategic rivals and potential adversaries.

The calculation was that participation in globalised world trade would eventually draw these nations into greater and greater democratic freedoms as the people got more and more prosperity. This calculation turns out to have been seriously wrong. Autocratic and corrupt regimes just use the new economic prosperity to build their armed forces and the secret state apparatus to keep the population oppressed and obedient.

I think the world order will shrink back into “trusted players only” and “others”. Russia will be an “other” and only a trade partner of last resort. The desire to include everyone first and hope they change later has proven to be a mistake.

sounds straightforward enough, if you sort of ignore the criminal activity made large by internationalization, operated and operates with considerable freedom courtesy worldism, and then there is all the soft criminal activity, those that maybe their activities aren’t technically criminal but don’t qualify as moral

you know it’s moral for governments to collect adequate taxes to do the backbone stuff for civilian life to operate in, or within, that’s not exactly getting easier, for example, given capital migrates to where it is ‘least impeded’

This is only 6 months into sanctions, and I cannot see them being lifted any time soon.

https://euromaidanpress.com/2022/09/14/russia-tells-pilots-to-repair-planes-on-their-own-to-save-on-technicians/

In Russia, pilots of regional flights are being told to carry out aircraft maintenance on their own, says Oleg Bocharov, deputy head of the Russian Ministry of Industry and Trade, Insider reports.
This practice is being introduced to save money, said an anonymous aviation expert in an interview with The Insider.

Earlier it was reported that the Ministry of Industry and Trade planned to replace airline co-pilots with virtual ones in order to reduce operational costs. As well, Russian airlines also recommended their pilots to use less brakes when landing and taxiing in order to prolong the operational life of Western airliners, parts for which are not supplied because of the sanctions.

Dark Orange said:

This is only 6 months into sanctions, and I cannot see them being lifted any time soon.

https://euromaidanpress.com/2022/09/14/russia-tells-pilots-to-repair-planes-on-their-own-to-save-on-technicians/

In Russia, pilots of regional flights are being told to carry out aircraft maintenance on their own, says Oleg Bocharov, deputy head of the Russian Ministry of Industry and Trade, Insider reports.
This practice is being introduced to save money, said an anonymous aviation expert in an interview with The Insider.

Earlier it was reported that the Ministry of Industry and Trade planned to replace airline co-pilots with virtual ones in order to reduce operational costs. As well, Russian airlines also recommended their pilots to use less brakes when landing and taxiing in order to prolong the operational life of Western airliners, parts for which are not supplied because of the sanctions.

That’ll go well, for oh, about eight f’king minutes.

Spiny Norman said:

Dark Orange said:

This is only 6 months into sanctions, and I cannot see them being lifted any time soon.

https://euromaidanpress.com/2022/09/14/russia-tells-pilots-to-repair-planes-on-their-own-to-save-on-technicians/

In Russia, pilots of regional flights are being told to carry out aircraft maintenance on their own, says Oleg Bocharov, deputy head of the Russian Ministry of Industry and Trade, Insider reports.
This practice is being introduced to save money, said an anonymous aviation expert in an interview with The Insider.

Earlier it was reported that the Ministry of Industry and Trade planned to replace airline co-pilots with virtual ones in order to reduce operational costs. As well, Russian airlines also recommended their pilots to use less brakes when landing and taxiing in order to prolong the operational life of Western airliners, parts for which are not supplied because of the sanctions.

That’ll go well, for oh, about eight f’king minutes.

LOL

Spiny Norman said:

Dark Orange said:

This is only 6 months into sanctions, and I cannot see them being lifted any time soon.

https://euromaidanpress.com/2022/09/14/russia-tells-pilots-to-repair-planes-on-their-own-to-save-on-technicians/

In Russia, pilots of regional flights are being told to carry out aircraft maintenance on their own, says Oleg Bocharov, deputy head of the Russian Ministry of Industry and Trade, Insider reports.
This practice is being introduced to save money, said an anonymous aviation expert in an interview with The Insider.

Earlier it was reported that the Ministry of Industry and Trade planned to replace airline co-pilots with virtual ones in order to reduce operational costs. As well, Russian airlines also recommended their pilots to use less brakes when landing and taxiing in order to prolong the operational life of Western airliners, parts for which are not supplied because of the sanctions.

That’ll go well, for oh, about eight f’king minutes.

Having whole planeloads of troublesome CEOs falling out of the sky is less bother than pushing them out of hospital windows, one by one.

Spiny Norman said:

Dark Orange said:

This is only 6 months into sanctions, and I cannot see them being lifted any time soon.

https://euromaidanpress.com/2022/09/14/russia-tells-pilots-to-repair-planes-on-their-own-to-save-on-technicians/

In Russia, pilots of regional flights are being told to carry out aircraft maintenance on their own, says Oleg Bocharov, deputy head of the Russian Ministry of Industry and Trade, Insider reports.
This practice is being introduced to save money, said an anonymous aviation expert in an interview with The Insider.

Earlier it was reported that the Ministry of Industry and Trade planned to replace airline co-pilots with virtual ones in order to reduce operational costs. As well, Russian airlines also recommended their pilots to use less brakes when landing and taxiing in order to prolong the operational life of Western airliners, parts for which are not supplied because of the sanctions.

That’ll go well, for oh, about eight f’king minutes.

Michael V said:

Spiny Norman said:

Dark Orange said:

This is only 6 months into sanctions, and I cannot see them being lifted any time soon.

https://euromaidanpress.com/2022/09/14/russia-tells-pilots-to-repair-planes-on-their-own-to-save-on-technicians/

In Russia, pilots of regional flights are being told to carry out aircraft maintenance on their own, says Oleg Bocharov, deputy head of the Russian Ministry of Industry and Trade, Insider reports.
This practice is being introduced to save money, said an anonymous aviation expert in an interview with The Insider.

Earlier it was reported that the Ministry of Industry and Trade planned to replace airline co-pilots with virtual ones in order to reduce operational costs. As well, Russian airlines also recommended their pilots to use less brakes when landing and taxiing in order to prolong the operational life of Western airliners, parts for which are not supplied because of the sanctions.

That’ll go well, for oh, about eight f’king minutes.

LOL

пассажиры угождают вам выйти из самолета и толкнуть

Cymek said:

Michael V said:

Spiny Norman said:

That’ll go well, for oh, about eight f’king minutes.

LOL

пассажиры угождают вам выйти из самолета и толкнуть

Not get on plane in first place be good idea.

Dark Orange said:

Spiny Norman said:

Dark Orange said:

This is only 6 months into sanctions, and I cannot see them being lifted any time soon.

https://euromaidanpress.com/2022/09/14/russia-tells-pilots-to-repair-planes-on-their-own-to-save-on-technicians/

In Russia, pilots of regional flights are being told to carry out aircraft maintenance on their own, says Oleg Bocharov, deputy head of the Russian Ministry of Industry and Trade, Insider reports.
This practice is being introduced to save money, said an anonymous aviation expert in an interview with The Insider.

Earlier it was reported that the Ministry of Industry and Trade planned to replace airline co-pilots with virtual ones in order to reduce operational costs. As well, Russian airlines also recommended their pilots to use less brakes when landing and taxiing in order to prolong the operational life of Western airliners, parts for which are not supplied because of the sanctions.

That’ll go well, for oh, about eight f’king minutes.

LOL
Leslie Nielsen reminds me of Peter Graves.

“Russia’s financial sector suffered hundreds of billions of dollars in “direct losses” from sweeping sanctions imposed by the United States and its allies over Russian dictator Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine, the Bloomberg news agency reported on Sept. 14.”

“When the president of Kyrgyzstan makes you wait, things are not well in paradise”