⚡️ Russian Defence Ministry report on the progress of the special military operation in Ukraine (September 15, 2022)

◽️ Russian Aerospace Forces, missile troops and artillery launch massive fire attacks at the units and reserve forces of Ukrainian troops.

💥 High-precision air attacks launched at the provisional bases of 116th Territorial Defence Brigade and Omega special detachment near Odnorobovka and Kharkov (Kharkov region) have resulted in the elimination of up to 30 servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) and 10 units of military equipment.

💥 Massive fire attacks have resulted in causing casualties of up to 500 servicemen and over 40 units of military equipment of 24th and 28th AFU mechanised brigades near Krasnoye Znamya and Novogrigorovka (Nikolayev region), as well as of 46th Airmobile Brigade of the AFU near Sukhoy Stavok and Belogorka (Kherson region).

💥 Within unsuccessful operation of 10th Mountain Assault Brigade of the AFU near Spornoye (Donetsk People’s Republic), the formation has lost over 80 Ukrainian servicemen dead, 8 armoured vehicles and 5 pickups.

💥 Operational-tactical and army aviation, missile troops and artillery have neutralised 7 AFU command posts near Dobropolye, Artyomovsk (Donetsk People’s Republic), Kamyshevakha (Zaporozhye region), Olgino (Kherson region), Kalinovka, Murakhovka, Novorossiyskoye (Nikolayev region), as well as 42 artillery units, 116 AFU manpower and military equipment concentration areas.

💥 5 missile, artillery and munitions depots have been destroyed near Prikolotnoye, Izyum (Kharkov region), Krasnoye, Seversk and Novogrigorovka (Donetsk People’s Republic).

💥 Air defence facilities have shot down 12 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles near Snigiryovka and Ternoviye Pody (Nikolayev region), Zemlyanki, Kamenka, Novopetrikovka, Kirillovka, Nikolayevka, Staromlinovka (Donetsk People’s Republic), Maksima Gorkogo, Pyatikhatki and Chkalovo (Kherson region), as well as near Smeloye (Zaporozhye region).

◽️ Moreover, 2 Tochka-U ballistic missiles have been destroyed in air near Perevalsk (Lugansk People’s Republic) and Donetsk, as well as 30 HIMARS and Olkha MRLS projectiles near Kakhovka hydroelectric plant, Kherson city and Trudovoye (Zaporozhye region).

📊 In total, 293 airplanes and 155 helicopters, 1,960 unmanned aerial vehicles, 374 air defence missile systems, 4,934 tanks and other armoured combat vehicles, 835 combat vehicles equipped with MRLS, 3,387 field artillery cannons and mortars, as well as 5,602 units of special military equipment have been destroyed during the special military operation.

Every 3rd soldier in the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine near Kharkov is a citizen of a NATO country

📰Western publications, including South Front, report that one in three soldiers operating under the Ukrainian chevron in the Kharkiv offensive was a citizen of a NATO member state.

The offensive operation itself was planned by the US military command. It involved about 200 units of heavy military equipment and up to 9 thousand soldiers.

The armed conflict in eastern Ukraine has definitively escalated into a state of war between Russia and NATO, with unpredictable results for all parties to the conflict.

Slavyansk-Barvenkovo Direction: Situation at 14:00 on 15 Sep 2022⚡️

▪️ The Ukrainian command continues its offensive in certain parts of the front. Some of the units deployed there are being transferred from the #Kharkov region to reinforce the troop grouping.

▪️ The pioneer troops of the Ukrainian Armed Forces were able to establish several crossings over the #Oskol River, which are being used by Ukrainian DRGs to penetrate the territory controlled by the Russian Federation.

▪️ According to unconfirmed reports, Russian forces have left #Studenok to avoid being encircled from the #Oskol.

▪️ In addition, soldiers of the 54th AFU Brigade were able to push Russian units out of #Sosnovoye. Currently, the engineer and sapper forces of the 54th Brigade are building strongholds in the settlement before pushing deeper into the defences of the Russian forces.

▪️ Fighting continues in the vicinity of #Lyman and #Yampol. The situation in the settlements is relatively calm. The advancing enemy units are being actively shelled with artillery.

Keep wanking, wookie, I’m sure Putler will send you a medal eventually.

Vladimir Rogov (@VRogov) reports about Ukraine’s failed attack in Zaporozhye.

“Zaporozhye Front: Details of a breakthrough attempt near Nesterianka

In the morning of September 14, units from the 65th Motorized Infantry Brigade of the insurgent AFU attempted to break through the defenses of the units of the 503rd Motorized Rifle Regiment of the 19th Motorized Rifle Division near the settlement of Nesterianka, Zaporozhye region.

Three unsuccessful attempts to break through our defence, thanks to skilful action of artillery calculations and fire of motorized rifle units, and the advancing enemy was stopped, suffered heavy losses and retreated to their positions. As a result of the battle, an enemy tank was destroyed by RPG fire, and while crew of it survived, they were abandoned by fellow soldiers who fled the battlefield.

As a result of the engagement, Zelensky’s fighters lost more than 50 men as killed. Three tanks and three American-made M113 APCs were destroyed, and seven men were taken prisoner, one of whom was an officer.

The interrogation of the captives established that the units were poorly staffed—most of them were reservists who had not received even minimal training and were thrown into combat as cannon fodder.”

Dan Murphy’s today had signs up in the vodka section that said they sympathise with the situation in Ukraine and therefore fuck the Russians we aren’t selling any off their shit…

so I bought Swedish vodka instead

Arts said:

Dan Murphy’s today had signs up in the vodka section that said they sympathise with the situation in Ukraine and therefore fuck the Russians we aren’t selling any off their shit…

so I bought Swedish vodka instead

:)

Arts said:

Dan Murphy’s today had signs up in the vodka section that said they sympathise with the situation in Ukraine and therefore fuck the Russians we aren’t selling any off their shit…

so I bought Swedish vodka instead

another blow against putin – right ?

it will be interesting to see what happens if taiwan ever kicks off (australia wont have electrical power or running water for decades if that happens)

Arts said:

Dan Murphy’s today had signs up in the vodka section that said they sympathise with the situation in Ukraine and therefore fuck the Russians we aren’t selling any off their shit…

so I bought Swedish vodka instead

Haha, good on them.

I bought junior sprog a bottle of Grey Goose the other day for her birthday.

wookiemeister said:

Arts said:

Dan Murphy’s today had signs up in the vodka section that said they sympathise with the situation in Ukraine and therefore fuck the Russians we aren’t selling any off their shit…

so I bought Swedish vodka instead

another blow against putin – right ?

it will be interesting to see what happens if taiwan ever kicks off (australia wont have electrical power or running water for decades if that happens)

I’ll just cuddle you to keep warm..

Arts said:

wookiemeister said:

Arts said:

Dan Murphy’s today had signs up in the vodka section that said they sympathise with the situation in Ukraine and therefore fuck the Russians we aren’t selling any off their shit…

so I bought Swedish vodka instead

another blow against putin – right ?

it will be interesting to see what happens if taiwan ever kicks off (australia wont have electrical power or running water for decades if that happens)

I’ll just cuddle you to keep warm..

thanks

Arts said:

wookiemeister said:

Arts said:

Dan Murphy’s today had signs up in the vodka section that said they sympathise with the situation in Ukraine and therefore fuck the Russians we aren’t selling any off their shit…

so I bought Swedish vodka instead

another blow against putin – right ?

it will be interesting to see what happens if taiwan ever kicks off (australia wont have electrical power or running water for decades if that happens)

I’ll just cuddle you to keep warm..

as long as you are willing to comb my fur things will be fine

its why i decided against voting liberal in the election – they were leading australia towards a conflict with china no sane person wants

we make so little in australia that any conflict with a major power will leave australia in the stone age

Russia claims that Ukraine only does as well as it does because there’s lots of ‘Westerners’ in the Ukrainian forces.

Perhaps there’s a little bit of truth in that, perhaps not.

On the other hand, it shows that one country, when assisted by NATO resources and people, can give the much-vaunted Russian military a sound arse-kicking, despite lacking much in the way of air support, or a full range of NATO/Western weaponry, transport, and logistics.

If the Russians were to run up against a fully-armed, fully-resourced, fully-mobilised NATO/West, well…i don’t think the bookies would be giving them good odds.

captain_spalding said:

Russia claims that Ukraine only does as well as it does because there’s lots of ‘Westerners’ in the Ukrainian forces.

Perhaps there’s a little bit of truth in that, perhaps not.

On the other hand, it shows that one country, when assisted by NATO resources and people, can give the much-vaunted Russian military a sound arse-kicking, despite lacking much in the way of air support, or a full range of NATO/Western weaponry, transport, and logistics.

If the Russians were to run up against a fully-armed, fully-resourced, fully-mobilised NATO/West, well…i don’t think the bookies would be giving them good odds.

If NATO went to war with Russia you’d probably lose about 250 million Europeans in 24 hours.

No one will live in Western Europe for thousands of years perhaps 50,000 years – people that enter the zone mysteriously fall sick. Stones are erected to warn and dissuade travellers from venturing into the death zone.

The russians will probably finish off Australia by taking down its power network.

When and if they ever come for a look see in 6 months the population will probably be no more than 5 million if that.

Can I ask now that you have been activated by Russian high command what was your trigger phrase ?

wookiemeister said:

captain_spalding said:

Russia claims that Ukraine only does as well as it does because there’s lots of ‘Westerners’ in the Ukrainian forces.

Perhaps there’s a little bit of truth in that, perhaps not.

On the other hand, it shows that one country, when assisted by NATO resources and people, can give the much-vaunted Russian military a sound arse-kicking, despite lacking much in the way of air support, or a full range of NATO/Western weaponry, transport, and logistics.

If the Russians were to run up against a fully-armed, fully-resourced, fully-mobilised NATO/West, well…i don’t think the bookies would be giving them good odds.

If NATO went to war with Russia you’d probably lose about 250 million Europeans in 24 hours.

No one will live in Western Europe for thousands of years perhaps 50,000 years – people that enter the zone mysteriously fall sick. Stones are erected to warn and dissuade travellers from venturing into the death zone.

Based on the history of military interventions and actions in Eastern Europe since the end of WW2, i suggest that Russia going to war with NATO is more likely scenario.

I mean, which city had a foreign army’s tanks rolling through its streets in response to civil unrest in 1968? Paris or Prague?

Cymek said:

Can I ask now that you have been activated by Russian high command what was your trigger phrase ?

The standard one is “good morning” isn’t it?

captain_spalding said:

Russia claims that Ukraine only does as well as it does because there’s lots of ‘Westerners’ in the Ukrainian forces.

Perhaps there’s a little bit of truth in that, perhaps not.

On the other hand, it shows that one country, when assisted by NATO resources and people, can give the much-vaunted Russian military a sound arse-kicking, despite lacking much in the way of air support, or a full range of NATO/Western weaponry, transport, and logistics.

If the Russians were to run up against a fully-armed, fully-resourced, fully-mobilised NATO/West, well…i don’t think the bookies would be giving them good odds.

Interesting to note that the Ukrainian’s assets are:

1. Motivation
2. International sanctions limiting Russia’s hardware.
3. NATO intelligence and training
4. Minimal NATO hardware (no tanks or aircraft)

Note that they were doing a pretty good job at defending themselves long before any NATO donated hardware arrived.

IMO, if NATO were to take the gloves off, the only thing stopping them rolling all the way to the Kremlin is the threat of nukes. And in hindsight, they could have easily done it before the Ukraine invasion.

Dark Orange said:

captain_spalding said:

Russia claims that Ukraine only does as well as it does because there’s lots of ‘Westerners’ in the Ukrainian forces.

Perhaps there’s a little bit of truth in that, perhaps not.

On the other hand, it shows that one country, when assisted by NATO resources and people, can give the much-vaunted Russian military a sound arse-kicking, despite lacking much in the way of air support, or a full range of NATO/Western weaponry, transport, and logistics.

If the Russians were to run up against a fully-armed, fully-resourced, fully-mobilised NATO/West, well…i don’t think the bookies would be giving them good odds.

Interesting to note that the Ukrainian’s assets are:

1. Motivation
2. International sanctions limiting Russia’s hardware.
3. NATO intelligence and training
4. Minimal NATO hardware (no tanks or aircraft)

Note that they were doing a pretty good job at defending themselves long before any NATO donated hardware arrived.

IMO, if NATO were to take the gloves off, the only thing stopping them rolling all the way to the Kremlin is the threat of nukes. And in hindsight, they could have easily done it before the Ukraine invasion.

Living under a shitty regime doesn’t give you lots of motivation to defend it

Cymek said:

Dark Orange said:

captain_spalding said:

Russia claims that Ukraine only does as well as it does because there’s lots of ‘Westerners’ in the Ukrainian forces.

Perhaps there’s a little bit of truth in that, perhaps not.

On the other hand, it shows that one country, when assisted by NATO resources and people, can give the much-vaunted Russian military a sound arse-kicking, despite lacking much in the way of air support, or a full range of NATO/Western weaponry, transport, and logistics.

If the Russians were to run up against a fully-armed, fully-resourced, fully-mobilised NATO/West, well…i don’t think the bookies would be giving them good odds.

Interesting to note that the Ukrainian’s assets are:

1. Motivation
2. International sanctions limiting Russia’s hardware.
3. NATO intelligence and training
4. Minimal NATO hardware (no tanks or aircraft)

Note that they were doing a pretty good job at defending themselves long before any NATO donated hardware arrived.

IMO, if NATO were to take the gloves off, the only thing stopping them rolling all the way to the Kremlin is the threat of nukes. And in hindsight, they could have easily done it before the Ukraine invasion.

Living under a shitty regime doesn’t give you lots of motivation to defend it

Modern warfare revolves around air superiority. The fact that the Russians were unable to achieve it against a country with no real airforce shows their main strengths were bluff and bluster.

Dark Orange said:

Cymek said:

Dark Orange said:

Interesting to note that the Ukrainian’s assets are:

1. Motivation
2. International sanctions limiting Russia’s hardware.
3. NATO intelligence and training
4. Minimal NATO hardware (no tanks or aircraft)

Note that they were doing a pretty good job at defending themselves long before any NATO donated hardware arrived.

IMO, if NATO were to take the gloves off, the only thing stopping them rolling all the way to the Kremlin is the threat of nukes. And in hindsight, they could have easily done it before the Ukraine invasion.

Living under a shitty regime doesn’t give you lots of motivation to defend it

Modern warfare revolves around air superiority. The fact that the Russians were unable to achieve it against a country with no real airforce shows their main strengths were bluff and bluster.

I remember seeing a documentary on the Cold War, and one of the people they interviewed was Nikita Khrushchev’s son. He told the tale of talking with his father about the Soviet missiles, and him saying, “we have nothing to hide. We have nothing, and we must hide it.”

Dark Orange said:

Modern warfare revolves around air superiority. The fact that the Russians were unable to achieve it against a country with no real airforce shows their main strengths were bluff and bluster.

The Russians’ greatest advantage is that, historically, their opponents tend to become overconfident, and convince themselves that the Russians are done with and will collapse just like that.

This is no time for Ukraine and its allies to allow themselves to fall into that trap.

If the Russians didn’t have nuclear weapons, then we’d have seen a lot more support from NATO/the West, and the Russians would be having an even worse time of it than they are now. Although NATO/the West would have to engage on the basis of clearly limited and clearly defined objectives. Russia has always been able to make a war go on for as long as it wants, and that would not be a good scenario.

captain_spalding said:

Dark Orange said:

Modern warfare revolves around air superiority. The fact that the Russians were unable to achieve it against a country with no real airforce shows their main strengths were bluff and bluster.

The Russians’ greatest advantage is that, historically, their opponents tend to become overconfident, and convince themselves that the Russians are done with and will collapse just like that.

This is no time for Ukraine and its allies to allow themselves to fall into that trap.

If the Russians didn’t have nuclear weapons, then we’d have seen a lot more support from NATO/the West, and the Russians would be having an even worse time of it than they are now. Although NATO/the West would have to engage on the basis of clearly limited and clearly defined objectives. Russia has always been able to make a war go on for as long as it wants, and that would not be a good scenario.

That only works when they pick on countries nobody cares about,

Dark Orange said:

That only works when they pick on countries nobody cares about,

The point is, they have vast resources that they haven’t bothered to tap into yet. They’re nowhere near fully mobilised.

If you get bogged down into a smaller-scale conventional war with them, they can play the attrition game for a very long time indeed. Don’t underestimate their capacity to keep the war going out of sheer spite/machismo. If you don’t leave them with some sort of ‘honourable’ way out, that’s quite possibly what they’d do, and that’s going to literally waste a lot of people.

Cymek said:

Can I ask now that you have been activated by Russian high command what was your trigger phrase ?

It was late and was preparing to finish off my last bottle and cigarette, my lungs rattling as I coughed up the excesses of the day. The phone rang and a heavy russian brusque voice scolded me for my lax attitude to security

Execute order 5 holiday forum

Certainly major ! Jumping to my feet and clicking my boot heels together.

Somewhere a dog howled and my long haunched shadow fell upon the laptop as wave after wave of disinformation fell like rain on the internet.

captain_spalding said:

Dark Orange said:

That only works when they pick on countries nobody cares about,

The point is, they have vast resources that they haven’t bothered to tap into yet. They’re nowhere near fully mobilised.

If you get bogged down into a smaller-scale conventional war with them, they can play the attrition game for a very long time indeed. Don’t underestimate their capacity to keep the war going out of sheer spite/machismo. If you don’t leave them with some sort of ‘honourable’ way out, that’s quite possibly what they’d do, and that’s going to literally waste a lot of people.

Fair call.
Although Putin did not leave many “honorable” avenues of de-escalation available, and he rejected all the ones that presented themselves. (Including the 11th hour deal with Ukraine to avert hostilities)

Dark Orange said:

Fair call.
Although Putin did not leave many “honorable” avenues of de-escalation available, and he rejected all the ones that presented themselves. (Including the 11th hour deal with Ukraine to avert hostilities)

At that time, Putin still held the idea that he’d been sold that the invasion would be a push-over, three days to the Polish border, a week at the most, don’t sweat it, boss.

For a walk-over operation like that, minimal losses, minimal damage to Ukrainian infrastructure/assets, maximum gains in territory and bragging rights, Putin couldn’t say ‘no’.

Only after it became clear that the Russian army had half-arsed the effort, and they were bogged down in the east and north, did it get awkward for him. He couldn’t just call it off (loss of face too great), and he couldn’t escalate it it hugely (no real justification for what was only a ‘special military operation’, not a war or anything like that).

He was painted into a corner. Even the Russian public would start to ask questions if a general mobilisation was called (a lot of unhappy called-up reservists), about why it took the whole Russian military to beat one poor-relation neighbour, and he couldn’t just pretend it never happened. And there was no acceptable back-out, because it had never been thought one might be needed.

He’s still in that corner, and the paint isn’t dry yet.

Not at all

A long prolonged conflict was in the works as plan B.

The ukos and NATO built massive trench / fortifications since 2014. NATO has funnelled billions to train hundreds of thousands of soldiers BEFORE the war.

I was listening to some statistic that since the early 2000s the russians making around 1.5 MILLION artillery shells per year. Not to mention tanks and god knows what.

Imagine how many shells do you think the chinese make, how many do you think they have

Stop stirring up conflict and things will be fine

The deal after 1991 was no NATO expansion, since then I think ALL of the cold war treaties have been torn up by America.

wookiemeister said:

Not at all

A long prolonged conflict was in the works as plan B.

The ukos and NATO built massive trench / fortifications since 2014. NATO has funnelled billions to train hundreds of thousands of soldiers BEFORE the war.

I was listening to some statistic that since the early 2000s the russians making around 1.5 MILLION artillery shells per year. Not to mention tanks and god knows what.

Imagine how many shells do you think the chinese make, how many do you think they have

Stop stirring up conflict and things will be fine

The deal after 1991 was no NATO expansion, since then I think ALL of the cold war treaties have been torn up by America.

So if someone wants to join NATO we just no ?

Cymek said:

wookiemeister said:

Not at all

A long prolonged conflict was in the works as plan B.

The ukos and NATO built massive trench / fortifications since 2014. NATO has funnelled billions to train hundreds of thousands of soldiers BEFORE the war.

I was listening to some statistic that since the early 2000s the russians making around 1.5 MILLION artillery shells per year. Not to mention tanks and god knows what.

Imagine how many shells do you think the chinese make, how many do you think they have

Stop stirring up conflict and things will be fine

The deal after 1991 was no NATO expansion, since then I think ALL of the cold war treaties have been torn up by America.

So if someone wants to join NATO we just no ?

And Putin ignored last minute overtures by Ukraine before the invasion that they would not seek NATO membership.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Cymek said:

wookiemeister said:

Not at all

A long prolonged conflict was in the works as plan B.

The ukos and NATO built massive trench / fortifications since 2014. NATO has funnelled billions to train hundreds of thousands of soldiers BEFORE the war.

I was listening to some statistic that since the early 2000s the russians making around 1.5 MILLION artillery shells per year. Not to mention tanks and god knows what.

Imagine how many shells do you think the chinese make, how many do you think they have

Stop stirring up conflict and things will be fine

The deal after 1991 was no NATO expansion, since then I think ALL of the cold war treaties have been torn up by America.

So if someone wants to join NATO we just no ?

And Putin ignored last minute overtures by Ukraine before the invasion that they would not seek NATO membership.

Russia doesn’t exactly offer any incentive (not even direct but what they have to offer) to side with them compared to the EU and/or NATO

Cymek said:

Russia doesn’t exactly offer any incentive (not even direct but what they have to offer) to side with them compared to the EU and/or NATO

NATO’s offer: side with us, and we’ll help you if the Russians attack you.

Russia’s offer: side with us, and we won’t attack you (probably).

Building lots of american bio warfare labs in ukraine didn’t help

wookiemeister said:

Building lots of american bio warfare labs in ukraine didn’t help

Nods

T-Virus was made there by Umbrella

wookiemeister said:

Building lots of american bio warfare labs in ukraine didn’t help

Neither did all those WMDs in Iraq.

captain_spalding said:

wookiemeister said:

Building lots of american bio warfare labs in ukraine didn’t help

Neither did all those WMDs in Iraq.

Fair analogy.

https://zensiert.net/media/1/affe-mit-granate.mp4

captain_spalding said:

wookiemeister said:

Building lots of american bio warfare labs in ukraine didn’t help

Neither did all those WMDs in Iraq.

The labs were originally soviet bio weapon labs

The labs were meant to be kept open to help destroy stocks

That plan was quietly shelved and the labs returned to getting up to all kinds of nefarious shit – hunter Biden was involved , he was bank rolling them. They found it on the laptop, but of course the laptop is Russian disinformation.

Too brainwashed

wookiemeister said:

Too brainwashed

Yep.

wookiemeister said:

captain_spalding said:

wookiemeister said:

Building lots of american bio warfare labs in ukraine didn’t help

Neither did all those WMDs in Iraq.

The labs were originally soviet bio weapon labs

The labs were meant to be kept open to help destroy stocks

That plan was quietly shelved and the labs returned to getting up to all kinds of nefarious shit – hunter Biden was involved , he was bank rolling them. They found it on the laptop, but of course the laptop is Russian disinformation.

Too brainwashed

“We fight with idiots. It’s a problem. It’s good for us, but they have nuclear weapons – it’s a problem for the whole world.”
“It’s like a monkey with a grenade, you don’t know what they are going to do.”

https://zensiert.net/media/1/affe-mit-granate.mp4

Dark Orange said:

“We fight with idiots. It’s a problem. It’s good for us, but they have nuclear weapons – it’s a problem for the whole world.”
“It’s like a monkey with a grenade, you don’t know what they are going to do.”

https://zensiert.net/media/1/affe-mit-granate.mp4

Saw that the other day. I like how the UK reporter is quick to jot down the best quotes :)

Bubblecar said:

Dark Orange said:

“We fight with idiots. It’s a problem. It’s good for us, but they have nuclear weapons – it’s a problem for the whole world.”
“It’s like a monkey with a grenade, you don’t know what they are going to do.”

https://zensiert.net/media/1/affe-mit-granate.mp4

Saw that the other day. I like how the UK reporter is quick to jot down the best quotes :)

Um, I’m referring to the full video, which that isn’t.

I’ll see if I can find it.

Bubblecar said:

Bubblecar said:

Dark Orange said:

“We fight with idiots. It’s a problem. It’s good for us, but they have nuclear weapons – it’s a problem for the whole world.”
“It’s like a monkey with a grenade, you don’t know what they are going to do.”

https://zensiert.net/media/1/affe-mit-granate.mp4

Saw that the other day. I like how the UK reporter is quick to jot down the best quotes :)

Um, I’m referring to the full video, which that isn’t.

I’ll see if I can find it.

Impossibru! Too much Ukraine videos.

Unconfirmed reports by Russians of several important occupational “officials” wounded or killed as a result of strikes in Kherson and Luhansk, including the “General Prosecutor of Luhansk” being “wounded”.

…

“As a result of an explosion in the prosecutor’s office building in Luhansk, the “Prosecutor General of the LPR” Sergey Gorenko was killed this morning”

Dark Orange said:

Unconfirmed reports by Russians of several important occupational “officials” wounded or killed as a result of strikes in Kherson and Luhansk, including the “General Prosecutor of Luhansk” being “wounded”.

…

“As a result of an explosion in the prosecutor’s office building in Luhansk, the “Prosecutor General of the LPR” Sergey Gorenko was killed this morning”

I suppose the russians might just make ukraine go dark again.

wookiemeister said:

Dark Orange said:

Unconfirmed reports by Russians of several important occupational “officials” wounded or killed as a result of strikes in Kherson and Luhansk, including the “General Prosecutor of Luhansk” being “wounded”.

…

“As a result of an explosion in the prosecutor’s office building in Luhansk, the “Prosecutor General of the LPR” Sergey Gorenko was killed this morning”

I suppose the russians might just make ukraine go dark again.

The Ukes have been very careful through all this to only take out militarily strategic targets, so there is a good chance this is the result of a pissed off population.

One thing I’ve noticed is that it seems to be raining men in russia ( no not not the song)

Notable people, CEOs , men connected to putin in important positions keep falling out of windows – OHS must be terrible. I’m not sure if putin is bumping them off or someone else. If it were someone else the russians would complain. Google “the Marconi scientists” MI5 /MI6 must have bumped them off because they knew something, Margaret Thatcher brought it up because someone complained to her british scientists kept dying – then she fell quiet. My take on it is that working for the british is dangerous, when you become “problematic” you get killed – Turing found out that one.

This is interesting, the Ukes are claiming this happened on the 10th :

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The elimination of more than 180 occupiers in Kherson has been confirmed. On September 10, an attack was made on the building of Alcoresurs LLC, where the personnel and military equipment of the enemy were located. Roshvardia and FSB units spent five days clearing the rubble and removing the bodies of the dead, trying to hide the losses.

During the day, the aviation of the Defence Forces struck ten areas of concentration of enemy manpower and equipment and three positions of anti-aircraft missile systems. Enemy losses are being clarified.

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Yes, it is sourced from the Ukrainian military, but assuming it is true, it would mean that they were able to use their airforce effectively over enemy territory and take out a large and well manned storage facility.

And even working on the assumption of exaggeration, it still implies a level of capability you would not expect from a small enemy locked in a war of attrition with a “Superpower”.

Some very distant voices…

Pictured here is Elena, 6-year-old Olesya, and 8-year-old Sasha.
Elena, along with her parents, Olesya, Sasha and her husband Dmitri have just been exhumed from a mass burial site in Izyum.

Dark Orange said:

wookiemeister said:

Dark Orange said:

Unconfirmed reports by Russians of several important occupational “officials” wounded or killed as a result of strikes in Kherson and Luhansk, including the “General Prosecutor of Luhansk” being “wounded”.

…

“As a result of an explosion in the prosecutor’s office building in Luhansk, the “Prosecutor General of the LPR” Sergey Gorenko was killed this morning”

I suppose the russians might just make ukraine go dark again.

The Ukes have been very careful through all this to only take out militarily strategic targets, so there is a good chance this is the result of a pissed off population.

You mean like the petal mines they dropped everywhere recently ?

The ukos have filmed themselves torturing POWs to death

wookiemeister said:

Dark Orange said:

wookiemeister said:

I suppose the russians might just make ukraine go dark again.

The Ukes have been very careful through all this to only take out militarily strategic targets, so there is a good chance this is the result of a pissed off population.

You mean like the petal mines they dropped everywhere recently ?

The ukos have filmed themselves torturing POWs to death

Do you do any fact checking at all, or just repost Putin’s lies verbatim?

6 weeks to winter

wookiemeister said:

6 weeks to winter

Yep, and the Russians won’t be able to advance the front even 1 km over that time.They have lost all their good equipment, all their best troops, are running low on ammunition and logistics. Their troops even now are poorly equipped and are having to spend their own money to buy personal equipment. There have been reports of captured Russian troops wearing sneakers because they were not provided with boots. They have been ill-equipped over the summer months, there is not much chance of them getting proper winter equipment. Winter will be harsher on the Russian troops.

Looks like the Ukes are falling right into the Ruskie’s trap…

Lysychansk is fully under Ukrainian control. “River is crossed, city is ours – Severodonetsk soon.”

A magnitude-6.8 earthquake hit south-east Taiwan, killing at least one person and derailing train carriages and sparking tsunami warnings.

The island’s weather bureau said the epicentre was in Taitung county, and followed a 6.4 magnitude earthquake that hit on Saturday evening in the same area without casualties.

The US Geological Survey measured the quake at a magnitude 7.2 and at a depth of 10 kilometres.
China has finally perfected its earthquake machine with this being a test, prelude to a full scale invasion
Create an earthquake to distract them and then invade

Cymek said:

A magnitude-6.8 earthquake hit south-east Taiwan, killing at least one person and derailing train carriages and sparking tsunami warnings.

The island’s weather bureau said the epicentre was in Taitung county, and followed a 6.4 magnitude earthquake that hit on Saturday evening in the same area without casualties.

The US Geological Survey measured the quake at a magnitude 7.2 and at a depth of 10 kilometres.
China has finally perfected its earthquake machine with this being a test, prelude to a full scale invasion
Create an earthquake to distract them and then invade

One Kill Success

Itapirkanmaa2
14 hours ago
⚡️ Russian Defence Ministry report on the progress of the special military operation in Ukraine (September 18, 2022)

◽️ Russian Federation Armed Forces continue the special military operation.

💥 The enemy with the forces of 3 company tactical groups of the 60th Infantry and 57th Mechanised Infantry brigades supported by 6 tanks made unsuccessful offensive attempts near Mirolyubovka, Malaya Seydeminukha and Belogorki (Kherson region) on the Nikolaevk-Krivoy Rog direction. All the attacks were successfully repelled by units of the Russian Armed Forces.

💥 Personnel and military equipment of the units of the 28th Mechanised and 79th Airborne Assault brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were hit by high-precision weapons of the Russian Aerospace Forces near Nikolaev.

◽️ The losses of the Ukrainian troops were over 180 servicemen, 2 tanks, 7 armoured fighting vehicles, 3 guns and 10 motor vehicles.

💥 Russian Aerospace Forces, missile troops and artillery have launched massive fire attacks at the units and reserve forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU).

💥 The units of the 65th Mechanised Brigade of the AFU were hit by concentrated fire near Kirovo (Zaporozhye region). The enemy losses were up to 100 Ukrainian servicemen, as well as more than 10 units of military equipment. The positions of the 54th and 93rd Mechanised brigades and the 10th Mountain Assault Brigade of the AFU near Verkhnekamenskoye, Spornoye, Berestovoe, Artyomovsk and Zaitsevo (Donetsk People’s Republic) have been eliminated, the enemy losses were over 110 servicemen and 20 units of military equipment.

💥 The 14th Mechanised Brigade’s manpower and military equipment near Kochetok, Rogan, Doroshenkovo, Velikaya Babka and Chuguyev (Kharkov region) along with The 63rd Mechanised Brigade near Veremiyevka have been eliminated by high-precision strikes by the Russian Air Force, as well as the 3rd Independent Battalion of Territorial Defence near Mirolyubovka (Kherson region), more than 150 Ukrainian servicemen and 17 units of armoured and special military equipment were destroyed.

◽️ The 24th battalion of the Aydar national formation of the 53rd Mechanised Brigade lost more than half of its personnel during combat operations near Zaitsevo (Donetsk People’s Republic). The command of the AFU withdrew the remnants of the unit to Chasov Yar (Donetsk People’s Republic).

💥The command post of the Primorye group near Shurino (Nikolayev region), 3 command posts of the AFU near Chervoniy Oskol (Kharkov region), Pershotravnyevnoye (Zaporozhye region) and Sevyersk (Donetsk People’s Republic) have been eliminated by strikes of tactical and army aviation, missile troops and artillery. 47 artillery units, manpower and military equipment of the AFU in 127 areas were hit, including the points of basing of foreign mercenaries of the American private military campaign Academi and Kraken national formations near Kramatorsk and Nikolayevka (Donetsk People’s Republic).

◽️Moreover, the munitions depot of the 14th Mechanised Brigade of the AFU, which had more than 7,500 shells for Western artillery systems, and the munitions depot of the 128th Mountain Assault Brigade near Dolinka (Zaporozhye region) were also destroyed near Kharkov.

💥 A 155-mm M777 howitzer manufactured by the United States and a S-300 surface-to-air missile radar near Dvurechye have been eliminated by high-precision strikes of the Russian Air Force near Kramatorsk, as well as an air defenсe radar near Vаsyukovka (Donetsk People’s Republic).

💥 During a 24-hour period 8 unmanned aerial vehicles near Maliyevka, Yagodnoye (Kharkov Region), Lebedyovka (Lugansk People’s Republic), Tokmak, Chervonoarmeyskoye (Zaporozhye region), Vladimirovka and Antonovka (Donetsk People’s Republic) were shot down by Russian Air Defence Troops.
In addition, 8 shells of the HIMARS multiple launch rocket system were destroyed near Novaya Kakhovka (Kherson region), and the city of Kherson.

📊In total, 293 airplanes and 155 helicopters, 1,981 unmanned aerial vehicles, 375 air defence missile systems, 5,022 tanks and other armoured combat vehicles, 837 combat vehicles equipped with MRLS, 3,397 field artillery cannons and mortars, as well as 5,680 units of special military equipment have been destroyed during the special military operation.

Scorched Earth.

https://twitter.com/markito0171/status/1571599458030215171

in other news

the “wagner” group is making gains elsewhere – russia is advancing believe it or not

the russians are fighting in their own backyard and using the handbook of the eastern front

they weakened the front and simply allowed the ukainian offensive to occur (after watching them for weeks form their groups to attack). the ukrainian battle groups charged into essentially empty fields whilst being picked off by the airforce and army – THOUSANDS of ukos have died.

the russians simply packed up and retreated under cover of barrages of artillery fire killing and wounding thousands (watching some drone footage you can see what the effective kill radius is for an artillery shell, even soldiers that seem quite some distance away are brought down, they move and you think they’ve survived then they stop moving)

the russians have been using the smaller drones to drop grenades into vehicles , soldiers, bunkers etc – this was favourite footage being produced by the ukos , the russians decided they’d do tis too.

as the tempo of the war has picked up with the new offensive the russians have been busy striking the power network – i saw a crater in the side of a thermal powerstation this morning.

the uko army moves around using the train system- the trains are powered with electricity – the russians were hitting the small transformers that supply power to the train network – things have shifted – they are now hitting bigger pieces of equipment. as a point of interest im amazed tey havent hit the switchyards of the powerstations.

1 : theres less switchyards of powerstations than any other piece of equipment used to transfer power, if you it the powerstation switchyards power cannot leave the powerstation. you’d hit literally an handful of targets and cripple the entire country. makes you wonder why they are blowing through 60,000 shells a day when they could have knocked out the powersystem in the first place, it shortens wars and saves lives. its true that millions of ukos would have headed west bt at least they would have been alive instead of being killed in another war that no one will remember in a few years time.

for whatever reason the russians are prolonging this war

to wipe out nazis, to de militarise ukraine ?

i’d say that once the yanks give the ukos the long range missiles that can it mother russia you’ll see the gloves come off and ukraine turned into matchsticks

when the yanks went into iraq they bombed everything with any value – 500,000 children died due to the lack of resources. bridges power, water etc. they were using depleted uranium which is said has caused terrible birth defects. in vietnam they sprayed agent orange which causes generational birth defects.

america has stepped up and supplied something like a trillion dollars to ukraine in weapons/ support in the last few weeks

i ukraine might well turn into a vast military live training zone. the west with no more resources being supplied from russia just gets poorer – maybe you’ll see a consolidation of power into the hands of a governing class without the pretence of demoracy. rome turned from a republic to an empire thanks to the punic wars. roman citizens became poor and lost their land to the people that sent them to war. gladitorial contests become much more widespread and lavish during this period – they used the POWs from the punic wars to fight each other.

Dark Orange said:

Looks like the Ukes are falling right into the Ruskie’s trap…

Lysychansk is fully under Ukrainian control. “River is crossed, city is ours – Severodonetsk soon.”

i heard from somewhere this morning that its not true, the ukos don’t have it – yet

meanwhile they are being blasted as they secure empty fields with no real value

russia is still advancing on other fronts

party_pants said:

wookiemeister said:

6 weeks to winter

Yep, and the Russians won’t be able to advance the front even 1 km over that time.They have lost all their good equipment, all their best troops, are running low on ammunition and logistics. Their troops even now are poorly equipped and are having to spend their own money to buy personal equipment. There have been reports of captured Russian troops wearing sneakers because they were not provided with boots. They have been ill-equipped over the summer months, there is not much chance of them getting proper winter equipment. Winter will be harsher on the Russian troops.

the russians are well suited to fighting in the cold. under putin the military was built up

the russians haven’t committed perhaps 5 percent of their total capacity – so far tey are used to bolster and compliment the militias

wookiemeister said:

the russians haven’t committed perhaps 5 percent of their total capacity – so far tey are used to bolster and compliment the militias

Nah, they have at least 20% military capacity left.

the russians are now using iranian kamikazee drones

the US and israel are busy opening up a second front in Azerbaijan and georgia

i’m thinking that china could probably sell russia a few million shells and associated artillery pieces every few months

imagine if russia could bring in the north koreans to get some battle experience – they land perhaps 100,000 north korean troops on the north eastern border of ukraine and just start firing shells? you could probably pu the NK troops into perhaps a cuple of thousand T72s

what i’m sayin is, why wouldn’t russia try outsourcing their war to auxillaies (they use chechens) ?

Dark Orange said:

wookiemeister said:

the russians haven’t committed perhaps 5 percent of their total capacity – so far tey are used to bolster and compliment the militias

Nah, they have at least 20% military capacity left.

thats not true – russia has a BIG army despite what we are told

they sell their oil for more every day

the power of siberia pipelines are heading east – i don’t think europe will be powered by russia for a long time

russia could bring in chinese SAM systems to the border

i was reading the chinese have making special drones to look for stealth aircraft like the f35 – aerial platforms

to finish this war i’d bring in perhaps 500,000 NK and chinese troops to man the artillery, SAM systems, tanks. russian generals would move the pieces around. whilst the skies were full of cruise missiles you’d use the airforce to strike as well.

the fact the russians didn;t flatten the power system from the get go says they are working to a plan

wookiemeister said:

the russians are now using iranian kamikazee drones

the US and israel are busy opening up a second front in Azerbaijan and georgia

i’m thinking that china could probably sell russia a few million shells and associated artillery pieces every few months

imagine if russia could bring in the north koreans to get some battle experience – they land perhaps 100,000 north korean troops on the north eastern border of ukraine and just start firing shells? you could probably pu the NK troops into perhaps a cuple of thousand T72s

what i’m sayin is, why wouldn’t russia try outsourcing their war to auxillaies (they use chechens) ?

Maybe the North Koreans would drop weapons and hightail it into the EU

So all news on the military action in Ukraine we see in the West about Russia on the retreat and not doing well is all a lie

Cymek said:

So all news on the military action in Ukraine we see in the West about Russia on the retreat and not doing well is all a lie

yes.

ChrispenEvan said:

Cymek said:

So all news on the military action in Ukraine we see in the West about Russia on the retreat and not doing well is all a lie

yes.

That’s what they want you to think!

The truth lies somewhere between what the Ukrainians claim and what the Russians claim.

Peak Warming Man said:

The truth lies somewhere between what the Ukrainians claim and what the Russians claim.

Likely

Peak Warming Man said:

The truth lies somewhere between what the Ukrainians claim and what the Russians claim.

probably but to be more fair it should be said how close the truth is to the Ukrainian end of that spectrum to how close it is to the Russian end.

Peak Warming Man said:

The truth lies somewhere between what the Ukrainians claim and what the Russians claim.

Unlike Syria where Assad is a saint and freedom fighters are terrorists.

LOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B93tLs39pQo&ab_channel=Perun

It is getting harder and harder to maintain the official line that the “Special Military Operation” as they call it is “all going to plan”.
Because if it is going to plan, some Russians are going to inevitably ask the question “Who on earth came up with a plan that involved getting our arses kicked out of Kharkiv Oblast more than six months into the war and becoming Ukraine’s primary armoured vehicle supplier in the process”.

The New York Times
20 m ·
In Ukraine, so many windows have been shattered by explosions that there is a nationwide run on glass — a big problem as the country scrambles to get damaged homes ready for winter.

Both the Brits and the US have released figures claiming that Russia have lost 55 fighter jets during the Ukrainian conflict. The Brits stated their numbers include 10 Russian fighters that are missing, assumed destroyed in the last week or so.

Dark Orange said:

Both the Brits and the US have released figures claiming that Russia have lost 55 fighter jets during the Ukrainian conflict. The Brits stated their numbers include 10 Russian fighters that are missing, assumed destroyed in the last week or so.

The fact that the ukes still have an active and effective airforce this far into a fight with a superpower does not bode well for Russia coming out of this with any territory, let alone face.

5 weeks 6 days to winter

1 day agoEurope’s biggest truckmakers are stockpiling gas and preparing to shift to alternative fuels amid the threat of a winter shortage as Russia continues to cut off pipelines to the continent.

FRANKFURT, Sept 19 (Reuters) – The German economy is contracting already and will likely get worse over the winter months as gas consumption is cut or rationed, the country’s central bank said on Monday.

With Russia, which had supplied about 40% of the European Union’s gas before the Ukraine conflict, shutting the pipeline taking that fuels to Germany, Europe’s largest economy is looking for alternative sources and ways to cut usage.

‘Firewood is the new gold’ – prices and theft jump in Europe as Russia’s gas cutoff boosts wood demand ahead of winter

UK Ministry of Defence:

The command of Russia’s Black Sea Fleet has almost certainly relocated its KILO-class submarines from their home port of Sevastopol in Crimea to Novorossiysk in Krasnodar Krai, southern Russia.

This is highly likely due to the recent change in the local security threat level in the face of increased Ukrainian long-range strike capability. In the last two months, the fleet headquarters and its main naval aviation airfield have been attacked.

Guaranteeing the Black Sea Fleet’s Crimea basing was likely one of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s motivations for annexing the peninsula in 2014. Base security has now been directly undermined by Russia’s continued aggression against Ukraine.

Dark Orange said:

UK Ministry of Defence:

The command of Russia’s Black Sea Fleet has almost certainly relocated its KILO-class submarines from their home port of Sevastopol in Crimea to Novorossiysk in Krasnodar Krai, southern Russia.

This is highly likely due to the recent change in the local security threat level in the face of increased Ukrainian long-range strike capability. In the last two months, the fleet headquarters and its main naval aviation airfield have been attacked.

Guaranteeing the Black Sea Fleet’s Crimea basing was likely one of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s motivations for annexing the peninsula in 2014. Base security has now been directly undermined by Russia’s continued aggression against Ukraine.

Would submarines ship out with nuclear weapons as part of normal operations even war operations

Cymek said:

Dark Orange said:

UK Ministry of Defence:

The command of Russia’s Black Sea Fleet has almost certainly relocated its KILO-class submarines from their home port of Sevastopol in Crimea to Novorossiysk in Krasnodar Krai, southern Russia.

This is highly likely due to the recent change in the local security threat level in the face of increased Ukrainian long-range strike capability. In the last two months, the fleet headquarters and its main naval aviation airfield have been attacked.

Guaranteeing the Black Sea Fleet’s Crimea basing was likely one of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s motivations for annexing the peninsula in 2014. Base security has now been directly undermined by Russia’s continued aggression against Ukraine.

Would submarines ship out with nuclear weapons as part of normal operations even war operations

I think their SOP is to have nukes in play at all times.

ooh… pretty…

https://twitter.com/grishchukroma/status/1572084236324327424

Cymek said:

Would submarines ship out with nuclear weapons as part of normal operations even war operations

For some submarines, having nuclear weapons aboard is normal operations.

Ballistic-missile submarines (SSBNs) exist only to have nuclear missiles aboard as a ‘deterrent’ force. Their regular duty is to leave port, and get lost – to disappear into the ocean vastness so that ‘the other side’ doesn’t know where they are and can’t target them.

Considerable efforts are devoted to both finding and tracking those submarines, and to avoiding that tracking.

Other submarines may have e.g. nuclear-armed torpedoes aboard, but this is usually covered by the legendary ‘noncondenpol’ – a policy of neither confirming or denying that such weapons are or are not aboard any given submarine.

captain_spalding said:

Cymek said:

Would submarines ship out with nuclear weapons as part of normal operations even war operations

For some submarines, having nuclear weapons aboard is normal operations.

Ballistic-missile submarines (SSBNs) exist only to have nuclear missiles aboard as a ‘deterrent’ force. Their regular duty is to leave port, and get lost – to disappear into the ocean vastness so that ‘the other side’ doesn’t know where they are and can’t target them.

Considerable efforts are devoted to both finding and tracking those submarines, and to avoiding that tracking.

Other submarines may have e.g. nuclear-armed torpedoes aboard, but this is usually covered by the legendary ‘noncondenpol’ – a policy of neither confirming or denying that such weapons are or are not aboard any given submarine.

OK I thought as much

Dark Orange said:

ooh… pretty…

https://twitter.com/grishchukroma/status/1572084236324327424

Russians can be expected to increase war crime tactics in response to the Ukrainian counter attack.

Their leadership is too stupidly sociopathic to realise that such an approach is self-defeating.

Dark Orange said:

ooh… pretty…

https://twitter.com/grishchukroma/status/1572084236324327424

Yeah. Pretty awful.

:(

You have to wonder what the exit strategy is from here.

A few months ago there was plenty of talk about providing Putin with “face saving offramps” but he appears to have missed those. One would think that everyone other than Putin has now realised that Russia can’t win this, but what future is there for Putin in a Russia that has been defeated?

dv said:

You have to wonder what the exit strategy is from here.

A few months ago there was plenty of talk about providing Putin with “face saving offramps” but he appears to have missed those. One would think that everyone other than Putin has now realised that Russia can’t win this, but what future is there for Putin in a Russia that has been defeated?

Nukes…

dv said:

You have to wonder what the exit strategy is from here.

A few months ago there was plenty of talk about providing Putin with “face saving offramps” but he appears to have missed those. One would think that everyone other than Putin has now realised that Russia can’t win this, but what future is there for Putin in a Russia that has been defeated?

As i said a little while back, no-one should under-estimate the Russian capacity to continue a futile and wasteful struggle out of sheer bloody-minded spite and/or a perceived need to defend their machismo.

Putin needs to stay on top, because he has a history of criminal dealings back to the 1990s which would make Trump’s list of sins look very small-time indeed. Once someone feels strong enough to use that against him, he is SO gone.

dv said:

You have to wonder what the exit strategy is from here.

A few months ago there was plenty of talk about providing Putin with “face saving offramps” but he appears to have missed those. One would think that everyone other than Putin has now realised that Russia can’t win this, but what future is there for Putin in a Russia that has been defeated?

He’s very popular.

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

You have to wonder what the exit strategy is from here.

A few months ago there was plenty of talk about providing Putin with “face saving offramps” but he appears to have missed those. One would think that everyone other than Putin has now realised that Russia can’t win this, but what future is there for Putin in a Russia that has been defeated?

He’s very popular.

Oh well that’s good. Maybe they’ll keep him on out pity then.

dv said:

You have to wonder what the exit strategy is from here.

A few months ago there was plenty of talk about providing Putin with “face saving offramps” but he appears to have missed those. One would think that everyone other than Putin has now realised that Russia can’t win this, but what future is there for Putin in a Russia that has been defeated?

There is none. The complete cut-off from world trade until such time as Russia withdraws, returns territory seized in 2014, and returns all prisoner.. etc. No lifting of sanctions. Whether Russia changes course under Putin or changes leadership is up to therm.

party_pants said:

dv said:

You have to wonder what the exit strategy is from here.

A few months ago there was plenty of talk about providing Putin with “face saving offramps” but he appears to have missed those. One would think that everyone other than Putin has now realised that Russia can’t win this, but what future is there for Putin in a Russia that has been defeated?

There is none. The complete cut-off from world trade until such time as Russia withdraws, returns territory seized in 2014, and returns all prisoner.. etc. No lifting of sanctions. Whether Russia changes course under Putin or changes leadership is up to therm.

Russia has everything it needs, it doesn’t need the west.

The original plan was to break up Russia so the west could pillage the place.

Its building ties with China, India and iran and lots of other countries to make a massive trading block.

wookiemeister said:

party_pants said:

dv said:

You have to wonder what the exit strategy is from here.

A few months ago there was plenty of talk about providing Putin with “face saving offramps” but he appears to have missed those. One would think that everyone other than Putin has now realised that Russia can’t win this, but what future is there for Putin in a Russia that has been defeated?

There is none. The complete cut-off from world trade until such time as Russia withdraws, returns territory seized in 2014, and returns all prisoner.. etc. No lifting of sanctions. Whether Russia changes course under Putin or changes leadership is up to therm.

Russia has everything it needs, it doesn’t need the west.

The original plan was to break up Russia so the west could pillage the place.

Its building ties with China, India and iran and lots of other countries to make a massive trading block.

LOL

wookiemeister said:

party_pants said:

dv said:

You have to wonder what the exit strategy is from here.

A few months ago there was plenty of talk about providing Putin with “face saving offramps” but he appears to have missed those. One would think that everyone other than Putin has now realised that Russia can’t win this, but what future is there for Putin in a Russia that has been defeated?

There is none. The complete cut-off from world trade until such time as Russia withdraws, returns territory seized in 2014, and returns all prisoner.. etc. No lifting of sanctions. Whether Russia changes course under Putin or changes leadership is up to therm.

Russia has everything it needs, it doesn’t need the west.

The original plan was to break up Russia so the west could pillage the place.

Its building ties with China, India and iran and lots of other countries to make a massive trading block.

The original plan was to turn Russia and China into modern liberal democracies through integration into the globalised trade system which all other modern liberal democracies are a part of. That has not worked, so fuck ‘em, they can both be dis-integrated,

Russia and China don’t get along but the relationship between India and China makes the Russia-China relationship look like best buddies. India does not do trade blocs, they have had chances to join several and refused. There is no direct connection between Russia and India, by ship they have to go through NATO-controlled checkpoint, by land they have to go via Pakistan. Iran are pretty much useless fuckwits.

dv said:

You have to wonder what the exit strategy is from here.

A few months ago there was plenty of talk about providing Putin with “face saving offramps” but he appears to have missed those. One would think that everyone other than Putin has now realised that Russia can’t win this, but what future is there for Putin in a Russia that has been defeated?

There was even an 11th hour deal made with Ukraine where they would promise not to join NATO that Putin rejected.

wookiemeister said:

party_pants said:

dv said:

You have to wonder what the exit strategy is from here.

A few months ago there was plenty of talk about providing Putin with “face saving offramps” but he appears to have missed those. One would think that everyone other than Putin has now realised that Russia can’t win this, but what future is there for Putin in a Russia that has been defeated?

There is none. The complete cut-off from world trade until such time as Russia withdraws, returns territory seized in 2014, and returns all prisoner.. etc. No lifting of sanctions. Whether Russia changes course under Putin or changes leadership is up to therm.

Russia has everything it needs, it doesn’t need the west.

The original plan was to break up Russia so the west could pillage the place.

Its building ties with China, India and iran and lots of other countries to make a massive trading block.

China screwed them over by making them delay the invasion. China is not their friend.

party_pants said:

wookiemeister said:

party_pants said:

There is none. The complete cut-off from world trade until such time as Russia withdraws, returns territory seized in 2014, and returns all prisoner.. etc. No lifting of sanctions. Whether Russia changes course under Putin or changes leadership is up to therm.

Russia has everything it needs, it doesn’t need the west.

The original plan was to break up Russia so the west could pillage the place.

Its building ties with China, India and iran and lots of other countries to make a massive trading block.

The original plan was to turn Russia and China into modern liberal democracies through integration into the globalised trade system which all other modern liberal democracies are a part of. That has not worked, so fuck ‘em, they can both be dis-integrated,

Russia and China don’t get along but the relationship between India and China makes the Russia-China relationship look like best buddies. India does not do trade blocs, they have had chances to join several and refused. There is no direct connection between Russia and India, by ship they have to go through NATO-controlled checkpoint, by land they have to go via Pakistan. Iran are pretty much useless fuckwits.

It is quite possible that Russia and China could have a major conflict concerning >>Outer Manchuria, or Outer Northeast China, refers to a territory in Northeast Asia that is now part of Russia but used to belong to a series of Chinese dynasties, including the Tang, Liao, Jin, Eastern Xia, Yuan, Northern Yuan, Ming, Later Jin, and Qing dynasties. The Russian Empire annexed this territory through a series of unequal treaties forced upon Qing China, most notably the Treaty of Aigun in 1858 and the Treaty of Peking in 1860. It is a part of the larger region of Manchuria, with the term “Outer Manchuria” only arising because of the Russian annexation.<<

As China have been taking back her old territories, they will likely want that back too.

Oh well

Russia has started knocking out the dams, power plants, industrial workshops. If they had done this straight up less people would have died.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSPc7nyeIag

Link

Vladimir Putin in ‘deep, deep trouble’: Global affairs editor on meeting with China | ABC News

4:23

there seems to be quite a few damaging earthquakes happening atm. I wonder if there will be anymore of these big happenings this week.

wookiemeister said:

Oh well

Russia has started knocking out the dams, power plants, industrial workshops. If they had done this straight up less people would have died.

They could have achieved the same result if they’d simply not killed the civilian inhabitants of the towns they took over.

Dark Orange said:

wookiemeister said:

Oh well

Russia has started knocking out the dams, power plants, industrial workshops. If they had done this straight up less people would have died.

They could have achieved the same result if they’d simply not killed the civilian inhabitants of the towns they took over.

Yeah, if, as your stated aims proclaim, you’re trying to ‘rescue’ the inhabitants from the depredations of ‘the Nazis’ and ‘protect’ them, you wouldn’t think that rounding them up and shooting them en masse in just about every place that you ‘liberate’ would be up near the front of the winning-hearts-and-minds playbook.

They don’t seem to be able to recall what sort of attitudes of resistance and vengefulness those tactics generated when it was the actual Nazis doing it to Russians all those years ago.

meme said:

so

uh

how does this falseness gel with all the rising right wing successes transforming those countries

Kingy said:

Propaganda

wookiemeister said:

Kingy said:

Propaganda

joke

Im sure Australia will be fine going to war

We don’t make tanks
We don’t make heavy machine guns ( we make service rifles under licence)
We don’t make artillery guns
We don’t make artillery shells
We DO make the bushmaster – they are good against hillsmen
We don’t make aircraft, fighter jets, bombers
I guess we must at least make ammo for the service rifle
We don’t make missile launchers and the missiles they use
Do we actually make the uniform ? I heard some of it was made in China
Do we make the boots ?
Do we make helmets
We don’t make night vision gear, the yanks don’t allow us to get the latest night vision gear – I think they left that in Afghanistan.
We have made submarines, we are trying to make more, available in 2050
We don’t launch satellites here, I think we DO make satellites or parts for them.

We don’t make self propelled guns
We don’t make military drones that can launch missiles
We don’t make drones, the brains for them , we do have people that write the programs for them
We don’t make lasers
We don’t silicon chips
We don’t make radars
We don’t make ICBMs
We don’t make SAMs
We don’t make military helicopters

We don’t make fighter jets
We don’t make anything in those fighter jets
Do they make the ration packs for the military here ?

Can you see where I’m going with this ?

The war is already lost

wookiemeister said:

Can you see where I’m going with this ?

The war is already lost

No.

What war?

wookiemeister said:

Can you see where I’m going with this ?

The war is already lost

That must have been tough to admit to yourself but we respect your candour.

wookiemeister said:

We don’t make fighter jets
We don’t make anything in those fighter jets
Do they make the ration packs for the military here ?

We do make components for fighter jets, or at least for the F-35.

“In total, more than 50 Australian companies have been awarded contracts for the development, production and sustainment of the F-35, valued at AU$2.7 billion. These contracts will provide more than 2,400 high-tech manufacturing jobs for Australian industry.”

esselte said:

wookiemeister said:

We don’t make fighter jets
We don’t make anything in those fighter jets
Do they make the ration packs for the military here ?

We do make components for fighter jets, or at least for the F-35.

“In total, more than 50 Australian companies have been awarded contracts for the development, production and sustainment of the F-35, valued at AU$2.7 billion. These contracts will provide more than 2,400 high-tech manufacturing jobs for Australian industry.”

Forgot source of quote:
https://www.f35.com/f35/global-enterprise/australia.html

esselte said:

wookiemeister said:

We don’t make fighter jets
We don’t make anything in those fighter jets
Do they make the ration packs for the military here ?

We do make components for fighter jets, or at least for the F-35.

“In total, more than 50 Australian companies have been awarded contracts for the development, production and sustainment of the F-35, valued at AU$2.7 billion. These contracts will provide more than 2,400 high-tech manufacturing jobs for Australian industry.”

To be fair, the bulk of those jobs would be concerned with generating paperwork.

esselte said:

wookiemeister said:

We don’t make fighter jets
We don’t make anything in those fighter jets
Do they make the ration packs for the military here ?

We do make components for fighter jets, or at least for the F-35.

“In total, more than 50 Australian companies have been awarded contracts for the development, production and sustainment of the F-35, valued at AU$2.7 billion. These contracts will provide more than 2,400 high-tech manufacturing jobs for Australian industry.”

Australian rations are made in Tasmania.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-08-06/major-upgrade-for-northern-tas-ration-pack-factory/5652548

Stinger found in criminal hands in Germany

( expect airliners to be targeted )

ussian Defence Ministry report on the progress of the special military operation in Ukraine (September 20, 2022)

The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation.

💥 High-precision attacks launched at the provisional bases of 81st Airmobile and 66th Mechanised brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) near Chervony Oskol and Studenok (Kharkov region), 93rd Mechanised Brigade near Bogorodichnoye (Donetsk People’s Republic) have resulted in the elimination of over 120 Ukrainian servicemen, 3 tanks and 12 motor vehicles.

💥 High-precision attacks launched by Russian Aerospace Forces at the provisional bases of 35th Marines Brigade of the AFU and 114th Territorial Defence Brigade near Novogrigorovka and Novaya Odessa (Nikolayev region) have resulted in the elimination of over 70 nationalists, more than 15 units of special military equipment and motor vehicles.

💥 Concentrated fire attacks launched at the combat positions of 59th Mechanised Infantry Brigade near Ternovka and Andreyevka (Kherson region) have resulted in the elimination of up to 100 servicemen and 7 combat armoured vehicles. Moreover, the workshops of an armoured vehicle plant in Nikolayev tasked to repair the military equipment of the abovementioned formation has been destroyed.

💥 Operational-tactical and army aviation, missile troops and artillery have neutralised 6 AFU command posts near Dolina, Tatyanovka, Artyomovsk (Donetsk People’s Rrepublic), Lezhino, Kirovo (Zaporozhye region), as well as 49 artillery units, 142 AFU manpower and military equipment concentration areas.

◽️ 5 missile, artillery armament and munitions depots have been destroyed near Seversk, Katerinovka, Dobrovolye (Donetsk People’s Republic), Braginovka (Dnepropetrovsk region) and Stepnoye (Zaporozhye region).

💥 Fighter aviation of Russian Aerospace Forces has shot down 1 Su-24 airplane of Ukrainian Air Force near Novozhelannoye (Donetsk People’s Republic).

💥 Air defence facilities have shot down 12 unmanned aerial vehicles near Petrovskoye, Khanzhenkovo, Blagoveshchenka (Donetsk People’s Republic), Molodyozhnoye, Priozyornoye, Muzykovka, Zelenovka, Posad-Pokrovskoye and Lyubimovka (Kherson region).

◽️ 2 U.S.-manufactured HARM anti-radar missiles have been shot down near Kherson.

◽️ Moreover, 27 projectiles launched by U.S.-manufactured HIMARS and Olkha MRLS have been shot down near Donetsk, Chervonopopovka (Lugansk People’s Republic), Novaya Kakhovka, Berislav, Verovka, Tomarino and Vesyoloye (Kherson region).

📊 In total, 295 airplanes and 155 helicopters, 2,007 unmanned aerial vehicles, 375 air defence missile systems, 5,038 tanks and other armoured combat vehicles, 839 combat vehicles equipped with MRLS, 3,403 field artillery cannons and mortars, as well as 5,719 units of special military equipment have been destroyed during the special military operation.

⚠️ Kiev regime continues its provocations aimed at creating a possible technological disaster at Zaporozhye nuclear power plant.

◽️ Over the past 24 hours, 5 artillery attacks launched at an electrical substation located near the power plant have been recorded.

◽️ A total of 24 artillery projectiles have been launched from Kiev-controlled Nikopol (Dnepropetrovsk region). One of the engineering buildings has been damaged.

◽️ AFU artillery units that had been shelling the territory of the nuclear plant are neutralised by counterfire.

◽️ The radiation environment at the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant remains normal.

slovenia to supply tanks to ukraine

BERLIN — Germany and Slovenia have sealed a deal that will see Slovenia send 28 tanks of Soviet-era design to Ukraine and get 40 modern military trucks from Germany, the German Defense Ministry said Tuesday.

Defense Minister Christine Lambrecht agreed to sign a letter of intent on the deal with her Slovenian counterpart Marjan Sarec, her ministry said. It didn’t specify when the vehicles will be delivered.

The agreement foresees Slovenian handing over 28 M-55S tanks to Ukraine and getting 40 military trucks, including five tankers.

Ukrainian Prime Minister Denys Shmyhal, who is visiting Berlin this weekend to meet with officials, said his country is prepared to supply Germany with electricity to help Europe’s largest economy reduce reliance on Russian energy imports.

“Currently, Ukraine exports its electricity to Moldova, Romania, Slovakia, and Poland. But we are quite ready to expand our exports to Germany,” Shmyhal told the German news agency dpa.

“We have a sufficient amount of electricity in Ukraine thanks to our nuclear power plants,” Shmyhal said.

uh oh

wookiemeister said:

Ukrainian Prime Minister Denys Shmyhal, who is visiting Berlin this weekend to meet with officials, said his country is prepared to supply Germany with electricity to help Europe’s largest economy reduce reliance on Russian energy imports.

“Currently, Ukraine exports its electricity to Moldova, Romania, Slovakia, and Poland. But we are quite ready to expand our exports to Germany,” Shmyhal told the German news agency dpa.

“We have a sufficient amount of electricity in Ukraine thanks to our nuclear power plants,” Shmyhal said.

uh oh

Uh-oh indeed.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/russian-aviation-scientist-anatoly-gerashchenko-falls-to-his-death-in-latest-plunge-mystery

Anatoly Gerashchenko, the former head of Moscow’s Aviation Institute (MAI), died in a mysterious fall inside the institute’s headquarters in the Russian capital on Tuesday.

Russian news outlet Izvestia, citing an unnamed source, reported that Gerashchenko “fell from a great height” and careened down several flights of stairs. He was reportedly pronounced dead at the scene.

Dark Orange said:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/russian-aviation-scientist-anatoly-gerashchenko-falls-to-his-death-in-latest-plunge-mystery

Anatoly Gerashchenko, the former head of Moscow’s Aviation Institute (MAI), died in a mysterious fall inside the institute’s headquarters in the Russian capital on Tuesday.

Russian news outlet Izvestia, citing an unnamed source, reported that Gerashchenko “fell from a great height” and careened down several flights of stairs. He was reportedly pronounced dead at the scene.

Humpty Dumpty was pushed , taps nose.

Lots of gravity anomalies occurring in Russia these days.

Its raining men

wookiemeister said:

Its raining men

In Russia, certainly.

Got one word for you, Vlad:

‘Vietnam”.

captain_spalding said:

Got one word for you, Vlad:

‘Vietnam”.

Possibly but only where there’s extensive foliage

Once winter comes all the leaves disappear and troops have nowhere to hide/ infiltrate. Vlad becomes the lord of all of the frozen dirt all the way to the border

Tamb said:

wookiemeister said:

Its raining men

In Russia, certainly.

wait we thought they were fighting in Ukraine, did they get pushed back that far

SCIENCE said:

Tamb said:

wookiemeister said:

Its raining men

In Russia, certainly.

wait we thought they were fighting in Ukraine, did they get pushed back that far

The ones that keep falling from great heights.

SCIENCE said:

Tamb said:

wookiemeister said:

Its raining men

In Russia, certainly.

wait we thought they were fighting in Ukraine, did they get pushed back that far

The fact that the Russian gov is silent suggests strongly that they are political / intelligence hits. The west does it too.

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

Tamb said:

In Russia, certainly.

wait we thought they were fighting in Ukraine, did they get pushed back that far

The ones that keep falling from great heights.

ah we thought you meant the ones getting blown up

SCIENCE said:

Tamb said:

wookiemeister said:

Its raining men

In Russia, certainly.

wait we thought they were fighting in Ukraine, did they get pushed back that far

It’s Russia where there has been an outbreak of defenestration.

SCIENCE said:

Tamb said:

wookiemeister said:

Its raining men

In Russia, certainly.

wait we thought they were fighting in Ukraine, did they get pushed back that far

It’s Russia where there has been an outbreak of defenestration.

SCIENCE said:

Tamb said:

wookiemeister said:

Its raining men

In Russia, certainly.

wait we thought they were fighting in Ukraine, did they get pushed back that far

It’s Russia where there has been an outbreak of defenestration.

Tamb said:

SCIENCE said:

Tamb said:

In Russia, certainly.

wait we thought they were fighting in Ukraine, did they get pushed back that far

It’s Russia where there has been an outbreak of defenestration.

That was what Trump attempted. The ultimate was to have his supporters toss out those who defied him.

Tamb said:

SCIENCE said:

Tamb said:

In Russia, certainly.

wait we thought they were fighting in Ukraine, did they get pushed back that far

It’s Russia where there has been an outbreak of defenestration.

Oops. Post x 3. Sorry.

Tamb said:

Tamb said:

SCIENCE said:

wait we thought they were fighting in Ukraine, did they get pushed back that far

It’s Russia where there has been an outbreak of defenestration.

Oops. Post x 3. Sorry.

Posted in triplicate.

roughbarked said:

Tamb said:

Tamb said:

It’s Russia where there has been an outbreak of defenestration.

Oops. Post x 3. Sorry.

Posted in triplicate.

Anyone would think I was a Bureaucrat.

Tamb said:

roughbarked said:

Tamb said:

Oops. Post x 3. Sorry.

Posted in triplicate.

Anyone would think I was a Bureaucrat.

I would have said that but I always have trouble spelling Bureaucrat.

roughbarked said:

Tamb said:

roughbarked said:

Posted in triplicate.

Anyone would think I was a Bureaucrat.

I would have said that but I always have trouble spelling Bureaucrat.

I also.

Ukrainian artillery continues to target the nuclear power station

The front line remains fluid

wookiemeister said:

Ukrainian artillery continues to target the nuclear power station

The front line remains fluid

As do “facts”.

Dark Orange said:

wookiemeister said:

Ukrainian artillery continues to target the nuclear power station

The front line remains fluid

As do “facts”.

The ukos are losing untold numbers, ww1 tactics, overwhelm the defences with bodies

The russians move backwards whilst pummelling the ukos with shells and missiles – they take horrendous losses.

Dark Orange said:

wookiemeister said:

Ukrainian artillery continues to target the nuclear power station

The front line remains fluid

As do “facts”.

3:33 pm Thursday, September 22

Novaya Gazeta: Russian government plans to mobilize 1 million people against Ukraine.

The seventh paragraph of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s decree on mobilization, intended for internal use, states that up to one million people can be drafted into the army, Russian media Novaya Gazeta reported on Sept. 22, citing unnamed sources in the Kremlin. “They changed the figure several times and eventually settled on a million,” the source said.

https://kyivindependent.com/news-archive

Kingy said:

There’s heaps more in the shed.
Stuff they haven’t used for years.

roughbarked said:

Kingy said:

There’s heaps more in the shed.
Stuff they haven’t used for years.

Yes.

Even allowing for deterioration, theft/black marketing of parts, and other factors, the Russians could cannabalise, make-and-mend, and resurrect a lot of hardware.

It wouldn’t necessarily be the latest and greatest models, but 1,000 T-55 tanks is still 1,000 tanks.

As i’ve said before, the problem is people to use that hardware. You can’t just take Sergei and Yusif out of an infantry company and expect them to be effective tankies.

This is where Putin’s call-up of old blokes comes in. They trained on and worked with all that old equipment when it was ‘modern’. Give them a refresher, and then they’re back in the T-55s, the ASU-85s, and back with the Frog-2 launchers.

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

Kingy said:

There’s heaps more in the shed.
Stuff they haven’t used for years.

Yes.

Even allowing for deterioration, theft/black marketing of parts, and other factors, the Russians could cannabalise, make-and-mend, and resurrect a lot of hardware.

It wouldn’t necessarily be the latest and greatest models, but 1,000 T-55 tanks is still 1,000 tanks.

As i’ve said before, the problem is people to use that hardware. You can’t just take Sergei and Yusif out of an infantry company and expect them to be effective tankies.

This is where Putin’s call-up of old blokes comes in. They trained on and worked with all that old equipment when it was ‘modern’. Give them a refresher, and then they’re back in the T-55s, the ASU-85s, and back with the Frog-2 launchers.

T-55 is still a T-55. Easy pickings for a javelin or NLAW, or even an and nearly obsolete LAW.

party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

There’s heaps more in the shed.
Stuff they haven’t used for years.

Yes.

Even allowing for deterioration, theft/black marketing of parts, and other factors, the Russians could cannabalise, make-and-mend, and resurrect a lot of hardware.

It wouldn’t necessarily be the latest and greatest models, but 1,000 T-55 tanks is still 1,000 tanks.

As i’ve said before, the problem is people to use that hardware. You can’t just take Sergei and Yusif out of an infantry company and expect them to be effective tankies.

This is where Putin’s call-up of old blokes comes in. They trained on and worked with all that old equipment when it was ‘modern’. Give them a refresher, and then they’re back in the T-55s, the ASU-85s, and back with the Frog-2 launchers.

T-55 is still a T-55. Easy pickings for a javelin or NLAW, or even an and nearly obsolete LAW.

+old

party_pants said:

T-55 is still a T-55. Easy pickings for a javelin or NLAW, or even an and nearly obsolete LAW.

The first rule in the book of Russian strategy and tactics is that, whatever you have is not so important as how much of it you have.

It doesn’t have to be the world’s best, there just has to be sufficient numbers of it.

In Italy in WW2, on a narrow mountain-ledge road, a German gun held up the Allied advance. Tank after tank was destroyed trying to get at that gun.

Suddenly, the Germans waved a white flag, and surrendered.

When questioned as to why they gave up such an ideal blockading position, the German officer answered ‘we ran out of shells before you ran out of tanks’.

captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

T-55 is still a T-55. Easy pickings for a javelin or NLAW, or even an and nearly obsolete LAW.

The first rule in the book of Russian strategy and tactics is that, whatever you have is not so important as how much of it you have.

It doesn’t have to be the world’s best, there just has to be sufficient numbers of it.

In Italy in WW2, on a narrow mountain-ledge road, a German gun held up the Allied advance. Tank after tank was destroyed trying to get at that gun.

Suddenly, the Germans waved a white flag, and surrendered.

When questioned as to why they gave up such an ideal blockading position, the German officer answered ‘we ran out of shells before you ran out of tanks’.

The West just need to keep Ukraine supplied with anti-tank weapons.

party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

T-55 is still a T-55. Easy pickings for a javelin or NLAW, or even an and nearly obsolete LAW.

The first rule in the book of Russian strategy and tactics is that, whatever you have is not so important as how much of it you have.

It doesn’t have to be the world’s best, there just has to be sufficient numbers of it.

In Italy in WW2, on a narrow mountain-ledge road, a German gun held up the Allied advance. Tank after tank was destroyed trying to get at that gun.

Suddenly, the Germans waved a white flag, and surrendered.

When questioned as to why they gave up such an ideal blockading position, the German officer answered ‘we ran out of shells before you ran out of tanks’.

The West just need to keep Ukraine supplied with anti-tank weapons.

Which raises the same question: whose supply of what will fail first?

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

Kingy said:

There’s heaps more in the shed.
Stuff they haven’t used for years.

Yes.

Even allowing for deterioration, theft/black marketing of parts, and other factors, the Russians could cannabalise, make-and-mend, and resurrect a lot of hardware.

It wouldn’t necessarily be the latest and greatest models, but 1,000 T-55 tanks is still 1,000 tanks.

As i’ve said before, the problem is people to use that hardware. You can’t just take Sergei and Yusif out of an infantry company and expect them to be effective tankies.

This is where Putin’s call-up of old blokes comes in. They trained on and worked with all that old equipment when it was ‘modern’. Give them a refresher, and then they’re back in the T-55s, the ASU-85s, and back with the Frog-2 launchers.

They are certainly raiding the museums for weapons. I wonder if it’s a muzzle loader.

Kingy said:

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

There’s heaps more in the shed.
Stuff they haven’t used for years.

Yes.

Even allowing for deterioration, theft/black marketing of parts, and other factors, the Russians could cannabalise, make-and-mend, and resurrect a lot of hardware.

It wouldn’t necessarily be the latest and greatest models, but 1,000 T-55 tanks is still 1,000 tanks.

As i’ve said before, the problem is people to use that hardware. You can’t just take Sergei and Yusif out of an infantry company and expect them to be effective tankies.

This is where Putin’s call-up of old blokes comes in. They trained on and worked with all that old equipment when it was ‘modern’. Give them a refresher, and then they’re back in the T-55s, the ASU-85s, and back with the Frog-2 launchers.

They are certainly raiding the museums for weapons. I wonder if it’s a muzzle loader.

And if they finished hosing the brains of his great grandad out of that ancient helmet.

captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

The first rule in the book of Russian strategy and tactics is that, whatever you have is not so important as how much of it you have.

It doesn’t have to be the world’s best, there just has to be sufficient numbers of it.

In Italy in WW2, on a narrow mountain-ledge road, a German gun held up the Allied advance. Tank after tank was destroyed trying to get at that gun.

Suddenly, the Germans waved a white flag, and surrendered.

When questioned as to why they gave up such an ideal blockading position, the German officer answered ‘we ran out of shells before you ran out of tanks’.

The West just need to keep Ukraine supplied with anti-tank weapons.

Which raises the same question: whose supply of what will fail first?

The supply of old T-55s and T-64s is fixed. The supply of new build Javelins and NLAWS is open ended.

Kingy said:

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

There’s heaps more in the shed.
Stuff they haven’t used for years.

Yes.

Even allowing for deterioration, theft/black marketing of parts, and other factors, the Russians could cannabalise, make-and-mend, and resurrect a lot of hardware.

It wouldn’t necessarily be the latest and greatest models, but 1,000 T-55 tanks is still 1,000 tanks.

As i’ve said before, the problem is people to use that hardware. You can’t just take Sergei and Yusif out of an infantry company and expect them to be effective tankies.

This is where Putin’s call-up of old blokes comes in. They trained on and worked with all that old equipment when it was ‘modern’. Give them a refresher, and then they’re back in the T-55s, the ASU-85s, and back with the Frog-2 launchers.

They are certainly raiding the museums for weapons. I wonder if it’s a muzzle loader.

It’s a Moisin-Nagant M1891. With a PU 3.5×21 telescopic sight, it was a VERY effective sniper rifle in Russian hands in WW2. There is no reason to decry its lethality today.

Just because it’s bolt-action doesn’t mean it isn’t good . The US Marines’ current Mk13 Mod 7 Long Range Sniper Rifle is bolt action, and for many years before that they used the Remington Model 700 bolt-action.

party_pants said:

The supply of old T-55s and T-64s is fixed. The supply of new build Javelins and NLAWS is open ended.

Is the will to continue the supply of those weapons also open-ended?

captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

The supply of old T-55s and T-64s is fixed. The supply of new build Javelins and NLAWS is open ended.

Is the will to continue the supply of those weapons also open-ended?

So far, an overwhelming yes.

party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

The supply of old T-55s and T-64s is fixed. The supply of new build Javelins and NLAWS is open ended.

Is the will to continue the supply of those weapons also open-ended?

So far, an overwhelming yes.

Yes, so far. And i hope it stays that way. But, politics is a fickle profession.

captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

The supply of old T-55s and T-64s is fixed. The supply of new build Javelins and NLAWS is open ended.

Is the will to continue the supply of those weapons also open-ended?

If it results in dead Russians then I suspect the largess may not be infinite but the number would be very, very impressive.

captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

The supply of old T-55s and T-64s is fixed. The supply of new build Javelins and NLAWS is open ended.

Is the will to continue the supply of those weapons also open-ended?

It needs to be, it’s not just Ukraine who’s future depends on it.

Dark Orange said:

It needs to be, it’s not just Ukraine who’s future depends on it.

I know that. You know that.

But, if the last few decades have shown us anything, it’s that even if the future of society and civilisation depends on it, politicians can choose to see a different outlook if it conflicts with their shorter-term ‘goals’.

captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

Is the will to continue the supply of those weapons also open-ended?

So far, an overwhelming yes.

Yes, so far. And i hope it stays that way. But, politics is a fickle profession.

At theporesent time I can only see the supply of western equipment to Ukraine increasing, and getting into more and more complex weaponry. There are rumours that Ukraine are being supplied with Excalibur artillery rounds, for example.

captain_spalding said:

Kingy said:

captain_spalding said:

Yes.

Even allowing for deterioration, theft/black marketing of parts, and other factors, the Russians could cannabalise, make-and-mend, and resurrect a lot of hardware.

It wouldn’t necessarily be the latest and greatest models, but 1,000 T-55 tanks is still 1,000 tanks.

As i’ve said before, the problem is people to use that hardware. You can’t just take Sergei and Yusif out of an infantry company and expect them to be effective tankies.

This is where Putin’s call-up of old blokes comes in. They trained on and worked with all that old equipment when it was ‘modern’. Give them a refresher, and then they’re back in the T-55s, the ASU-85s, and back with the Frog-2 launchers.

They are certainly raiding the museums for weapons. I wonder if it’s a muzzle loader.

It’s a Moisin-Nagant M1891. With a PU 3.5×21 telescopic sight, it was a VERY effective sniper rifle in Russian hands in WW2. There is no reason to decry its lethality today.

Just because it’s bolt-action doesn’t mean it isn’t good . The US Marines’ current Mk13 Mod 7 Long Range Sniper Rifle is bolt action, and for many years before that they used the Remington Model 700 bolt-action.

I wouldn’t want to take him on unarmed, because I would be fatally killed to death, but there a number of commercial drones that could drop a lethal payload on his head from the comfort of my lounge room. Weaponry has moved on since WW2.

I get your point though. It’s like the T55. If you don’t have a newer tank to return serve, you lose the match. An old T55 will fuck you up just as much as a muzzle loader if you can’t defend yourself.

party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

So far, an overwhelming yes.

Yes, so far. And i hope it stays that way. But, politics is a fickle profession.

At theporesent time I can only see the supply of western equipment to Ukraine increasing, and getting into more and more complex weaponry. There are rumours that Ukraine are being supplied with Excalibur artillery rounds, for example.

It’s a good testing ground for NATO weapons.

Kingy said:

…there are a number of commercial drones that could drop a lethal payload on his head from the comfort of my lounge room. Weaponry has moved on since WW2.

The thing about being a sniper is that you should not be seen.

Take up your position. Wait (‘waiting’ is a rather Zen art form all on its own). When you’re sure of your shot, take your shot. Leave.

Ideally, ‘they’ should never have any clue as to where the shot came from. Even if they do work it out, any reactive action will fall on a vacated position.

You’re not there to kill them all. Just enough of them to keep the rest in terror and disorganisation.

captain_spalding said:

Dark Orange said:

It needs to be, it’s not just Ukraine who’s future depends on it.

I know that. You know that.

But, if the last few decades have shown us anything, it’s that even if the future of society and civilisation depends on it, politicians can choose to see a different outlook if it conflicts with their shorter-term ‘goals’.

That is, unfortunately, true.

Peak Warming Man said:

party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

Yes, so far. And i hope it stays that way. But, politics is a fickle profession.

At theporesent time I can only see the supply of western equipment to Ukraine increasing, and getting into more and more complex weaponry. There are rumours that Ukraine are being supplied with Excalibur artillery rounds, for example.

It’s a good testing ground for NATO weapons.

Ukraine is the perfect way to weaken Russia big time, with little political comeback for NATO members, plus the costs are far less than having to conduct the war themselves. The weapons supplied to Ukraine are operated by a sizable, competent and intelligent military, with strong motivation. What more could you want?

PermeateFree said:

Peak Warming Man said:

party_pants said:

At theporesent time I can only see the supply of western equipment to Ukraine increasing, and getting into more and more complex weaponry. There are rumours that Ukraine are being supplied with Excalibur artillery rounds, for example.

It’s a good testing ground for NATO weapons.

Ukraine is the perfect way to weaken Russia big time, with little political comeback for NATO members, plus the costs are far less than having to conduct the war themselves. The weapons supplied to Ukraine are operated by a sizable, competent and intelligent military, with strong motivation. What more could you want?

Pretty much it, but you dont want to provoke the Bear to cause him to start slamming his fist down on the table right next to the red button.

PermeateFree said:

Peak Warming Man said:

party_pants said:

At theporesent time I can only see the supply of western equipment to Ukraine increasing, and getting into more and more complex weaponry. There are rumours that Ukraine are being supplied with Excalibur artillery rounds, for example.

It’s a good testing ground for NATO weapons.

Ukraine is the perfect way to weaken Russia big time, with little political comeback for NATO members, plus the costs are far less than having to conduct the war themselves. The weapons supplied to Ukraine are operated by a sizable, competent and intelligent military, with strong motivation. What more could you want?

Yeah this. And as Ukraine demonstrate more competence and intelligent use of this equipment they get more higher tech and more capable stuff. NATO are still wary of of their best gear falling into unfriendly hands and getting analysed and reverse-engineered. The better Ukraine handles the war the more confidence NATO has in giving them better equipment.

Peak Warming Man said:

Pretty much it, but you dont want to provoke the Bear to cause him to start slamming his fist down on the table right next to the red button.

Yes.

Despite the way that the Russian ‘political system’ currently ‘functions’, Putin does have some things to worry about. He’s been in the big corner office for quite a while now, and there’s undoubtedly a cadre of people who’d like to have a turn at the steering wheel themselves (which might explain the recent rash of gravity-related accidents amongst that cadre’s potential supporters).

Putin does need to show some progress in the Ukrainian campaign so as to bolster his authority, and he’s beginning to show a few hints of anxiety about it. The Ukrainian offensive has not helped his peace of mind one bit.

Support from the West, expressed in an overly generous and overt way, might push his anxiety into a regrettable panic.

captain_spalding said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Pretty much it, but you dont want to provoke the Bear to cause him to start slamming his fist down on the table right next to the red button.

Yes.

Despite the way that the Russian ‘political system’ currently ‘functions’, Putin does have some things to worry about. He’s been in the big corner office for quite a while now, and there’s undoubtedly a cadre of people who’d like to have a turn at the steering wheel themselves (which might explain the recent rash of gravity-related accidents amongst that cadre’s potential supporters).

Putin does need to show some progress in the Ukrainian campaign so as to bolster his authority, and he’s beginning to show a few hints of anxiety about it. The Ukrainian offensive has not helped his peace of mind one bit.

Support from the West, expressed in an overly generous and overt way, might push his anxiety into a regrettable panic.

With Putin’s domestic problems, the more he appears to be rash and unstable, especially with the likely use of nukes, I would think commonsense would prevail in Russia and Putin would be deposed in very quick order. This is Putin’s war with many (including Russians) that know it and do not want to die for his stupidity.

captain_spalding said:

Kingy said:

…there are a number of commercial drones that could drop a lethal payload on his head from the comfort of my lounge room. Weaponry has moved on since WW2.

The thing about being a sniper is that you should not be seen.

Take up your position. Wait (‘waiting’ is a rather Zen art form all on its own). When you’re sure of your shot, take your shot. Leave.

Ideally, ‘they’ should never have any clue as to where the shot came from. Even if they do work it out, any reactive action will fall on a vacated position.

You’re not there to kill them all. Just enough of them to keep the rest in terror and disorganisation.

Remember “ wali” the world’s best sniper ? He spent a few days on the front line, couldn’t take the shot because the russians had zeroed in on his position then fucked off back to ukraine because he couldn’t take the heat after making these grand gestures about how he was going to do his bit. A lot of these foreign fighters are laying in fields.

I still put my money on the red army

PermeateFree said:

captain_spalding said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Pretty much it, but you dont want to provoke the Bear to cause him to start slamming his fist down on the table right next to the red button.

Yes.

Despite the way that the Russian ‘political system’ currently ‘functions’, Putin does have some things to worry about. He’s been in the big corner office for quite a while now, and there’s undoubtedly a cadre of people who’d like to have a turn at the steering wheel themselves (which might explain the recent rash of gravity-related accidents amongst that cadre’s potential supporters).

Putin does need to show some progress in the Ukrainian campaign so as to bolster his authority, and he’s beginning to show a few hints of anxiety about it. The Ukrainian offensive has not helped his peace of mind one bit.

Support from the West, expressed in an overly generous and overt way, might push his anxiety into a regrettable panic.

With Putin’s domestic problems, the more he appears to be rash and unstable, especially with the likely use of nukes, I would think commonsense would prevail in Russia and Putin would be deposed in very quick order. This is Putin’s war with many (including Russians) that know it and do not want to die for his stupidity.

It’s a question of (a) how Putin and his capacity for rational action are perceived in Russian and (b) how ready are those who would replace him.

How we see Putin is not necessarily, by any means, how he’s presented to the majority of the Russian public. And, no matter how much a matter of urgency it might appear to us that he be removed/replaced, the stakes for other contenders are extremely high unless they can be sure of success. If you’re going to shoot the king, make sure you don’t miss.

Russians may not want to die for him, but they may not want to die to replace him, either.

wookiemeister said:

captain_spalding said:

Kingy said:

…there are a number of commercial drones that could drop a lethal payload on his head from the comfort of my lounge room. Weaponry has moved on since WW2.

The thing about being a sniper is that you should not be seen.

Take up your position. Wait (‘waiting’ is a rather Zen art form all on its own). When you’re sure of your shot, take your shot. Leave.

Ideally, ‘they’ should never have any clue as to where the shot came from. Even if they do work it out, any reactive action will fall on a vacated position.

You’re not there to kill them all. Just enough of them to keep the rest in terror and disorganisation.

Remember “ wali” the world’s best sniper ? He spent a few days on the front line, couldn’t take the shot because the russians had zeroed in on his position then fucked off back to canada because he couldn’t take the heat after making these grand gestures about how he was going to do his bit. A lot of these foreign fighters are laying in fields.

I still put my money on the red army

ive not heard anything more about wali

wookiemeister said:

captain_spalding said:

Kingy said:

…there are a number of commercial drones that could drop a lethal payload on his head from the comfort of my lounge room. Weaponry has moved on since WW2.

The thing about being a sniper is that you should not be seen.

Take up your position. Wait (‘waiting’ is a rather Zen art form all on its own). When you’re sure of your shot, take your shot. Leave.

Ideally, ‘they’ should never have any clue as to where the shot came from. Even if they do work it out, any reactive action will fall on a vacated position.

You’re not there to kill them all. Just enough of them to keep the rest in terror and disorganisation.

Remember “ wali” the world’s best sniper ? He spent a few days on the front line, couldn’t take the shot because the russians had zeroed in on his position then fucked off back to ukraine because he couldn’t take the heat after making these grand gestures about how he was going to do his bit. A lot of these foreign fighters are laying in fields.

I still put my money on the red army

IMHO, the world’s best sniper who did everything in the ‘right’ way was my grand-dad.

If he hadn’t been, i wouldn’t be here today.

By the way

Russian nukes are truly terrifying – its a salted earth type of bomb, nothing will ever live in the target zone in human history

The tsar bomb was dialled DOWN to a fraction of what it could do. I read about how hitting asteroids with nuclear bombs wouldn’t work – the writers had never read about the tsar bomb , it would vapourise something coming at us.

Actually, i reckon that Sgt Adelbert F. Waldron US Army was a shit-hot sniper.

Some Viet Cong sniper was making a nuisance of himself from a treetop one day.

Sgt Waldron removed him from his treetop with one shot at 900 yards.

Sgt Waldron was also standing on the deck of a moving boat at the time.

I know it meant someone’s death but…wow.

I think when it kicks off Europe and America will get glassed. After a few centuries they’ll be something a school child will reluctantly have to learn about in school.

My guesses the russians have built a reliable anti icbm system

The yank subs might shoot off a few missiles but whether they’ll get to the target is another matter, there will be no country left to go back to. The major cities will be gone. When the sub eventually docks it will either rust or have a hole put in it. No one will ever live in Europe, the major cities will all be smashed. Casualties in first strike maybe 150 million.

wookiemeister said:

I think when it kicks off Europe and America will get glassed. After a few centuries they’ll be something a school child will reluctantly have to learn about in school.

My guesses the russians have built a reliable anti icbm system

The yank subs might shoot off a few missiles but whether they’ll get to the target is another matter, there will be no country left to go back to. The major cities will be gone. When the sub eventually docks it will either rust or have a hole put in it. No one will ever live in Europe, the major cities will all be smashed. Casualties in first strike maybe 150 million.

Why do you constantly overlook that there are numerous countries with nuclear weapons that would retaliate. Nobody wins a Nuclear War!

wookiemeister said:

I think when it kicks off Europe and America will get glassed. After a few centuries they’ll be something a school child will reluctantly have to learn about in school.

My guesses the russians have built a reliable anti icbm system

The yank subs might shoot off a few missiles but whether they’ll get to the target is another matter, there will be no country left to go back to. The major cities will be gone. When the sub eventually docks it will either rust or have a hole put in it. No one will ever live in Europe, the major cities will all be smashed. Casualties in first strike maybe 150 million.

All European cities smashed because someone thought it was a good idea to fight Russia to the death

Its what happens when you have stupid people running things

Liz truss decides to push the red button but before she gives the order she becomes aware of a very bright light coming through the window……..

PermeateFree said:

wookiemeister said:

I think when it kicks off Europe and America will get glassed. After a few centuries they’ll be something a school child will reluctantly have to learn about in school.

My guesses the russians have built a reliable anti icbm system

The yank subs might shoot off a few missiles but whether they’ll get to the target is another matter, there will be no country left to go back to. The major cities will be gone. When the sub eventually docks it will either rust or have a hole put in it. No one will ever live in Europe, the major cities will all be smashed. Casualties in first strike maybe 150 million.

Why do you constantly overlook that there are numerous countries with nuclear weapons that would retaliate. Nobody wins a Nuclear War!

Wrong

The secret to winning a nuclear war is a first strike and a very good anti missile system

A cobalt bomb is a type of “salted bomb”: a nuclear weapon designed to produce enhanced amounts of radioactive fallout, intended to contaminate a large area with radioactive material, potentially for the purpose of radiological warfare, mutual assured destruction or as doomsday devices.

wookiemeister said:

My guesses the russians have built a reliable anti icbm system

Systems like that have their greatest value when ‘the other side’ knows that they exist.

Or believes that they will exist.

A significant factor in the ‘fall’ of the Soviet Union was the American SDI/‘Star Wars’ programme.

Even though it never became fully operational, and even thought it had enormous developmental hurdles, and even though it was going to cost a vast, incredible amount of treasure, it was a concept to which the Russians had no answer.

It rendered impotent the Russian capacity for first-strike. It rendered impotent their capacity for retaliatory strike.

Faced with that, faced with even the near-future possibility of that even if it wasn’t immediately available, and the need for a massive re-equipment programme for their military forces for ‘conventional’ war, the Russians realised that they simply could not afford to be in the race any more. And it was that realisation that prompted Gorbachev and his people to look inwards and ask, what can we do for Russia instead?

That Gorbachev’s hopes were hijacked and corrupted is a matter of record. But, unless Putin wants his Russia to try to survive alone in a world that’s largely uninhabitable (as others here predict) when they couldn’t do it in a ‘normal’ world, then there’s no point in him keeping a viable anti-ICBM system under his hat.

captain_spalding said:

wookiemeister said:

My guesses the russians have built a reliable anti icbm system

Systems like that have their greatest value when ‘the other side’ knows that they exist.

Or believes that they will exist.

A significant factor in the ‘fall’ of the Soviet Union was the American SDI/‘Star Wars’ programme.

Even though it never became fully operational, and even thought it had enormous developmental hurdles, and even though it was going to cost a vast, incredible amount of treasure, it was a concept to which the Russians had no answer.

It rendered impotent the Russian capacity for first-strike. It rendered impotent their capacity for retaliatory strike.

Faced with that, faced with even the near-future possibility of that even if it wasn’t immediately available, and the need for a massive re-equipment programme for their military forces for ‘conventional’ war, the Russians realised that they simply could not afford to be in the race any more. And it was that realisation that prompted Gorbachev and his people to look inwards and ask, what can we do for Russia instead?

That Gorbachev’s hopes were hijacked and corrupted is a matter of record. But, unless Putin wants his Russia to try to survive alone in a world that’s largely uninhabitable (as others here predict) when they couldn’t do it in a ‘normal’ world, then there’s no point in him keeping a viable anti-ICBM system under his hat.

The russians are not going to tell anyone

Do your opponent in a chess game of your strategy ?

Given the russians general attitude my guesses are they have something

wookiemeister said:

PermeateFree said:

wookiemeister said:

I think when it kicks off Europe and America will get glassed. After a few centuries they’ll be something a school child will reluctantly have to learn about in school.

My guesses the russians have built a reliable anti icbm system

The yank subs might shoot off a few missiles but whether they’ll get to the target is another matter, there will be no country left to go back to. The major cities will be gone. When the sub eventually docks it will either rust or have a hole put in it. No one will ever live in Europe, the major cities will all be smashed. Casualties in first strike maybe 150 million.

Why do you constantly overlook that there are numerous countries with nuclear weapons that would retaliate. Nobody wins a Nuclear War!

Wrong

The secret to winning a nuclear war is a first strike and a very good anti missile system

Do you really think the Russians know where everyone’s nuclear weapons are? I just hope the Russians around Putin are a lot smarter than that.

PermeateFree said:

wookiemeister said:

PermeateFree said:

Why do you constantly overlook that there are numerous countries with nuclear weapons that would retaliate. Nobody wins a Nuclear War!

Wrong

The secret to winning a nuclear war is a first strike and a very good anti missile system

Do you really think the Russians know where everyone’s nuclear weapons are? I just hope the Russians around Putin are a lot smarter than that.

Let me know what you think when your teeth are falling out from radiation poisoning

wookiemeister said:

PermeateFree said:

wookiemeister said:

Wrong

The secret to winning a nuclear war is a first strike and a very good anti missile system

Do you really think the Russians know where everyone’s nuclear weapons are? I just hope the Russians around Putin are a lot smarter than that.

Let me know what you think when your teeth are falling out from radiation poisoning

wookie the more I read your posts the more I think you are a troll and having fun taking the piss. Don’t think I’ll reply in future.

wookiemeister said:

Given the russians general attitude my guesses are they have something

Guesses?

Hopes?

Wishes?

Desires?

Dreams?

Fantasies?

A fundamental principle of military thought is to not underestimate your enemy, or you will never succeed.

An equal principle is to not overestimate your enemy, or you will never attempt to succeed.

And so the concept of ‘intelligence’ was born.

PermeateFree said:

wookiemeister said:

PermeateFree said:

Do you really think the Russians know where everyone’s nuclear weapons are? I just hope the Russians around Putin are a lot smarter than that.

Let me know what you think when your teeth are falling out from radiation poisoning

wookie the more I read your posts the more I think you are a troll and having fun taking the piss. Don’t think I’ll reply in future.

Don’t

I’m that horrible pill of truth no one wants to hear.

Keep watching the television, at least you will be happy.

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

Kingy said:

There’s heaps more in the shed.
Stuff they haven’t used for years.

Yes.

Even allowing for deterioration, theft/black marketing of parts, and other factors, the Russians could cannabalise, make-and-mend, and resurrect a lot of hardware.

It wouldn’t necessarily be the latest and greatest models, but 1,000 T-55 tanks is still 1,000 tanks.

As i’ve said before, the problem is people to use that hardware. You can’t just take Sergei and Yusif out of an infantry company and expect them to be effective tankies.

This is where Putin’s call-up of old blokes comes in. They trained on and worked with all that old equipment when it was ‘modern’. Give them a refresher, and then they’re back in the T-55s, the ASU-85s, and back with the Frog-2 launchers.

Then let us hope the Ukranians can keep it up.

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

There’s heaps more in the shed.
Stuff they haven’t used for years.

Yes.

Even allowing for deterioration, theft/black marketing of parts, and other factors, the Russians could cannabalise, make-and-mend, and resurrect a lot of hardware.

It wouldn’t necessarily be the latest and greatest models, but 1,000 T-55 tanks is still 1,000 tanks.

As i’ve said before, the problem is people to use that hardware. You can’t just take Sergei and Yusif out of an infantry company and expect them to be effective tankies.

This is where Putin’s call-up of old blokes comes in. They trained on and worked with all that old equipment when it was ‘modern’. Give them a refresher, and then they’re back in the T-55s, the ASU-85s, and back with the Frog-2 launchers.

Then let us hope the Ukranians can keep it up.

boom boom

5 weeks to winter

wookiemeister said:

5 weeks to winter

…and the Russians are getting rather desperate.

wookiemeister said:

5 weeks to winter

Russians had better get their snow uniforms distributed to their guys out in the field then, before they freeze to death.

wookiemeister said:

5 weeks to winter

captain_spalding said:

wookiemeister said:

5 weeks to winter

…and the Russians are getting rather desperate.

They’ll emulate Hitler’s Germans and and die of lack of food and warmth.

The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation.

💥 High-precision attack of Russian Aerospace Forces launched at the units of 81st Airmobile Brigade near Kramatorsk (Donetsk People’s Republic) has resulted in the elimination of over 220 Ukrainian servicemen.

💥 Fire attack has been launched at the units of foreign mercenaries near Slavyansk and Ozyornoye (Donetsk People’s Republic). The attack has resulted in the elimination of over 100 militants.

💥 Russian Aerospace Forces have launched high-precision attacks at the positions of Chayka tactical group near Zaporozhye, as well as at the provisional bases of Skif, Dnepr and Gepard nationalist battalions.

◽️ The attacks have resulted in the elimination of over 190 militants and 12 units of military equipment.

💥 Operational-tactical and army aviation, missile troops and artillery have neutralised the provisional bases of 59th Mechanised Infantry and 63rd Mechanised brigades near Bezymennoye and Ternoviye Pody (Nikolayev region). The enemy has lost over 130 servicemen.

◽️ The list of the neutralised targets includes 4 command posts: one of 14th Mechanised Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) near Dvurechnaya (Kharkov region), 9th Regiment of the National Guard near Primorskoye (Zaporozhye region), as well as the command and observation posts of 2nd and 3rd battalions from 65th Mechanised Brigade near Novoandreyevka and Verkhnyaya Tersa (Zaporozhye region).

◽️ 74 artillery units, 142 AFU manpower and military equipment concentration areas have been neutralised.

◽️ 3 missile, artillery armament and munitions depots have been destroyed near Zaporozhye, Monachinovka (Kharkov region) and Donetskoye (Donetsk People’s Republic).

◽️ 1 Ukrainian Buk-M1 self-propelled system has been destroyed near Nikiforovka (Donetsk People’s Republic).

💥 Fighter aviation of Russian Aerospace Forces has shot down 1 Ukrainian MiG-29 airplane near Novosyolovka (Nikolayev region), as well as 2 Su-25 airplanes of Ukrainian Air Force near Vesyoloye (Kherson region) and Kamyshevka (Donetsk People’s Republic).

💥 Russian air defence facilities have shot down 19 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles near Novaya Kakhovka, Tomarino, Novoraysk, Shlyakhovoye, Mirolyubovka, Belyayevka, Kreshchenovka, Bruskinskoye and Chkalovo (Kherson region), Lyubimovka (Zaporozhye region), Valeryanovka, Tripolye, Vladimirovka, Gornoye, Khartsyzsk, Novoaleksandrovka, Yevgenovka, Terny and Krasnaya Polyana (Donetsk People’s Republic).

◽️ Air defence facilities have also destroyed in air 42 rocket-propelled projectiles launched by U.S.-manufactured HIMARS multiple rocket-launching system (MRLS), as well as by Olkha MRLS, near Plodovoye and Novaya Kakhovka (Kherson region).

📊 In total, 298 airplanes and 155 helicopters, 2,054 unmanned aerial vehicles, 376 air defence missile systems, 5,077 tanks and other armoured combat vehicles, 844 combat vehicles equipped with MRLS, 3,410 field artillery cannons and mortars, as well as 5,794 units of special military equipment have been destroyed during the special military operation.

wookiemeister said:

The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation.

💥 High-precision attack of Russian Aerospace Forces launched at the units of 81st Airmobile Brigade near Kramatorsk (Donetsk People’s Republic) has resulted in the elimination of over 220 Ukrainian servicemen.

💥 Fire attack has been launched at the units of foreign mercenaries near Slavyansk and Ozyornoye (Donetsk People’s Republic). The attack has resulted in the elimination of over 100 militants.

💥 Russian Aerospace Forces have launched high-precision attacks at the positions of Chayka tactical group near Zaporozhye, as well as at the provisional bases of Skif, Dnepr and Gepard nationalist battalions.

◽️ The attacks have resulted in the elimination of over 190 militants and 12 units of military equipment.

💥 Operational-tactical and army aviation, missile troops and artillery have neutralised the provisional bases of 59th Mechanised Infantry and 63rd Mechanised brigades near Bezymennoye and Ternoviye Pody (Nikolayev region). The enemy has lost over 130 servicemen.

◽️ The list of the neutralised targets includes 4 command posts: one of 14th Mechanised Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) near Dvurechnaya (Kharkov region), 9th Regiment of the National Guard near Primorskoye (Zaporozhye region), as well as the command and observation posts of 2nd and 3rd battalions from 65th Mechanised Brigade near Novoandreyevka and Verkhnyaya Tersa (Zaporozhye region).

◽️ 74 artillery units, 142 AFU manpower and military equipment concentration areas have been neutralised.

◽️ 3 missile, artillery armament and munitions depots have been destroyed near Zaporozhye, Monachinovka (Kharkov region) and Donetskoye (Donetsk People’s Republic).

◽️ 1 Ukrainian Buk-M1 self-propelled system has been destroyed near Nikiforovka (Donetsk People’s Republic).

💥 Fighter aviation of Russian Aerospace Forces has shot down 1 Ukrainian MiG-29 airplane near Novosyolovka (Nikolayev region), as well as 2 Su-25 airplanes of Ukrainian Air Force near Vesyoloye (Kherson region) and Kamyshevka (Donetsk People’s Republic).

💥 Russian air defence facilities have shot down 19 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles near Novaya Kakhovka, Tomarino, Novoraysk, Shlyakhovoye, Mirolyubovka, Belyayevka, Kreshchenovka, Bruskinskoye and Chkalovo (Kherson region), Lyubimovka (Zaporozhye region), Valeryanovka, Tripolye, Vladimirovka, Gornoye, Khartsyzsk, Novoaleksandrovka, Yevgenovka, Terny and Krasnaya Polyana (Donetsk People’s Republic).

◽️ Air defence facilities have also destroyed in air 42 rocket-propelled projectiles launched by U.S.-manufactured HIMARS multiple rocket-launching system (MRLS), as well as by Olkha MRLS, near Plodovoye and Novaya Kakhovka (Kherson region).

📊 In total, 298 airplanes and 155 helicopters, 2,054 unmanned aerial vehicles, 376 air defence missile systems, 5,077 tanks and other armoured combat vehicles, 844 combat vehicles equipped with MRLS, 3,410 field artillery cannons and mortars, as well as 5,794 units of special military equipment have been destroyed during the special military operation.

Woohoo should be all over soon, next week maybe.
Liberation is not far away for the good people of Ukraine.

Peak Warming Man said:

wookiemeister said:

The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation.

💥 High-precision attack of Russian Aerospace Forces launched at the units of 81st Airmobile Brigade near Kramatorsk (Donetsk People’s Republic) has resulted in the elimination of over 220 Ukrainian servicemen.

💥 Fire attack has been launched at the units of foreign mercenaries near Slavyansk and Ozyornoye (Donetsk People’s Republic). The attack has resulted in the elimination of over 100 militants.

💥 Russian Aerospace Forces have launched high-precision attacks at the positions of Chayka tactical group near Zaporozhye, as well as at the provisional bases of Skif, Dnepr and Gepard nationalist battalions.

◽️ The attacks have resulted in the elimination of over 190 militants and 12 units of military equipment.

💥 Operational-tactical and army aviation, missile troops and artillery have neutralised the provisional bases of 59th Mechanised Infantry and 63rd Mechanised brigades near Bezymennoye and Ternoviye Pody (Nikolayev region). The enemy has lost over 130 servicemen.

◽️ The list of the neutralised targets includes 4 command posts: one of 14th Mechanised Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) near Dvurechnaya (Kharkov region), 9th Regiment of the National Guard near Primorskoye (Zaporozhye region), as well as the command and observation posts of 2nd and 3rd battalions from 65th Mechanised Brigade near Novoandreyevka and Verkhnyaya Tersa (Zaporozhye region).

◽️ 74 artillery units, 142 AFU manpower and military equipment concentration areas have been neutralised.

◽️ 3 missile, artillery armament and munitions depots have been destroyed near Zaporozhye, Monachinovka (Kharkov region) and Donetskoye (Donetsk People’s Republic).

◽️ 1 Ukrainian Buk-M1 self-propelled system has been destroyed near Nikiforovka (Donetsk People’s Republic).

💥 Fighter aviation of Russian Aerospace Forces has shot down 1 Ukrainian MiG-29 airplane near Novosyolovka (Nikolayev region), as well as 2 Su-25 airplanes of Ukrainian Air Force near Vesyoloye (Kherson region) and Kamyshevka (Donetsk People’s Republic).

💥 Russian air defence facilities have shot down 19 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles near Novaya Kakhovka, Tomarino, Novoraysk, Shlyakhovoye, Mirolyubovka, Belyayevka, Kreshchenovka, Bruskinskoye and Chkalovo (Kherson region), Lyubimovka (Zaporozhye region), Valeryanovka, Tripolye, Vladimirovka, Gornoye, Khartsyzsk, Novoaleksandrovka, Yevgenovka, Terny and Krasnaya Polyana (Donetsk People’s Republic).

◽️ Air defence facilities have also destroyed in air 42 rocket-propelled projectiles launched by U.S.-manufactured HIMARS multiple rocket-launching system (MRLS), as well as by Olkha MRLS, near Plodovoye and Novaya Kakhovka (Kherson region).

📊 In total, 298 airplanes and 155 helicopters, 2,054 unmanned aerial vehicles, 376 air defence missile systems, 5,077 tanks and other armoured combat vehicles, 844 combat vehicles equipped with MRLS, 3,410 field artillery cannons and mortars, as well as 5,794 units of special military equipment have been destroyed during the special military operation.

Woohoo should be all over soon, next week maybe.
Liberation is not far away for the good people of Ukraine.

most likely it will become ugly , when ukraine ? NATO attacks the nuclear powerstation and start shelling civillians again you’ll have a massive wave of attacks (think 10,000 strikes an hour). an attack on the break away republics will be an attack on russia. bridges, water treatment, powerstations / switchyards, warehouses, factories etc. though to be fair an attack on the powerstation switchyards and water treatment will be enough.

powerstations have transformers outside the plant that bump up the voltage – theres not many of them – hit them and ukraine goes dark until the war is over, this kind of electrical equipment is expensive and rarely made.

with no electrical power you’ll see a surge of refugees west across the border

the water treatment stations being hit mean no water even if diesel generators can supply power.

no electrical trains means that tanks and all army supplies have to travel by road – no bridges, they will need to build pontoons but of course , they will cocentrate military forces which of course will be knocked out. the uko forces that travel beyond the pontoons discover a vast free fire zone inhabitated with russian drones, artillery etc. the major cities and towns of the west ukr are all dark. the only places with power will attract russian interest.

in the longer game you might bitain commits say 50,000 troops to the eastern front as part of an invasion

the russians beat them to the punch

all powerstations in britain get hit by hypersonic weapons, chaos ensues. no power – no water.

other european powers look on and decide whether they get involved

(you might find the russians decide on a knock out punch with hypersonics and just hit ALL power and water systems of unfriendly european powers. the russian SAM systems go on high alert and russian airborne radar goes into the skies being protected by swarms of russian fighters.

various satellites and tele cables get cut

its a matter of how far down the rabbit you want to go down to predict what will happen

generally 90 percent of the population aren’t predictive – they lack that gene, they don’t make that cause and effect link, one thing leads to another

generally people only worry about things when it actually happens

i went out and bought lots of large water bottles last night – woke up and found the neighbourhood has no water and still doesn’t

i became a creature of predictive thought because i was forced to and because my job is all about prediction of whether something will be working months from now – i fix it now because it will break in a few months time.

wookiemeister said:

its a matter of how far down the rabbit you want to go down to predict what will happen

generally 90 percent of the population aren’t predictive – they lack that gene, they don’t make that cause and effect link, one thing leads to another

generally people only worry about things when it actually happens

i went out and bought lots of large water bottles last night – woke up and found the neighbourhood has no water and still doesn’t

i became a creature of predictive thought because i was forced to and because my job is all about prediction of whether something will be working months from now – i fix it now because it will break in a few months time.

It’s known as preventative maintenance.

i’ve thought about installing water tanks a while back – what happens when the water system fails?

back in november i thought – what if the power system fails ?

i’m thinking seeing if i can get some stainless steel tanks made up – it means the water tank can have UV light dipped into it to help sterilise the water. plastic water tanks are susceptible to uv damage

wookiemeister said:

i’ve thought about installing water tanks a while back – what happens when the water system fails?

back in november i thought – what if the power system fails ?

i’m thinking seeing if i can get some stainless steel tanks made up – it means the water tank can have UV light dipped into it to help sterilise the water. plastic water tanks are susceptible to uv damage

You get at least 20 years out of a poly tank.

Tamb said:

wookiemeister said:

its a matter of how far down the rabbit you want to go down to predict what will happen

generally 90 percent of the population aren’t predictive – they lack that gene, they don’t make that cause and effect link, one thing leads to another

generally people only worry about things when it actually happens

i went out and bought lots of large water bottles last night – woke up and found the neighbourhood has no water and still doesn’t

i became a creature of predictive thought because i was forced to and because my job is all about prediction of whether something will be working months from now – i fix it now because it will break in a few months time.

It’s known as preventative maintenance.

rarely actually done (you have been lied to)

wookiemeister said:

The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation.

💥 High-precision attack of Russian Aerospace Forces launched at the units of 81st Airmobile Brigade near Kramatorsk (Donetsk People’s Republic) has resulted in the elimination of over 220 Ukrainian servicemen.

💥 Fire attack has been launched at the units of foreign mercenaries near Slavyansk and Ozyornoye (Donetsk People’s Republic). The attack has resulted in the elimination of over 100 militants.

💥 Russian Aerospace Forces have launched high-precision attacks at the positions of Chayka tactical group near Zaporozhye, as well as at the provisional bases of Skif, Dnepr and Gepard nationalist battalions.

◽️ The attacks have resulted in the elimination of over 190 militants and 12 units of military equipment.

💥 Operational-tactical and army aviation, missile troops and artillery have neutralised the provisional bases of 59th Mechanised Infantry and 63rd Mechanised brigades near Bezymennoye and Ternoviye Pody (Nikolayev region). The enemy has lost over 130 servicemen.

◽️ The list of the neutralised targets includes 4 command posts: one of 14th Mechanised Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) near Dvurechnaya (Kharkov region), 9th Regiment of the National Guard near Primorskoye (Zaporozhye region), as well as the command and observation posts of 2nd and 3rd battalions from 65th Mechanised Brigade near Novoandreyevka and Verkhnyaya Tersa (Zaporozhye region).

◽️ 74 artillery units, 142 AFU manpower and military equipment concentration areas have been neutralised.

◽️ 3 missile, artillery armament and munitions depots have been destroyed near Zaporozhye, Monachinovka (Kharkov region) and Donetskoye (Donetsk People’s Republic).

◽️ 1 Ukrainian Buk-M1 self-propelled system has been destroyed near Nikiforovka (Donetsk People’s Republic).

💥 Fighter aviation of Russian Aerospace Forces has shot down 1 Ukrainian MiG-29 airplane near Novosyolovka (Nikolayev region), as well as 2 Su-25 airplanes of Ukrainian Air Force near Vesyoloye (Kherson region) and Kamyshevka (Donetsk People’s Republic).

💥 Russian air defence facilities have shot down 19 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles near Novaya Kakhovka, Tomarino, Novoraysk, Shlyakhovoye, Mirolyubovka, Belyayevka, Kreshchenovka, Bruskinskoye and Chkalovo (Kherson region), Lyubimovka (Zaporozhye region), Valeryanovka, Tripolye, Vladimirovka, Gornoye, Khartsyzsk, Novoaleksandrovka, Yevgenovka, Terny and Krasnaya Polyana (Donetsk People’s Republic).

◽️ Air defence facilities have also destroyed in air 42 rocket-propelled projectiles launched by U.S.-manufactured HIMARS multiple rocket-launching system (MRLS), as well as by Olkha MRLS, near Plodovoye and Novaya Kakhovka (Kherson region).

📊 In total, 298 airplanes and 155 helicopters, 2,054 unmanned aerial vehicles, 376 air defence missile systems, 5,077 tanks and other armoured combat vehicles, 844 combat vehicles equipped with MRLS, 3,410 field artillery cannons and mortars, as well as 5,794 units of special military equipment have been destroyed during the special military operation.

Reporting Russian losses as Ukrainian losses seems to be standard procedure now, huh?

Tamb said:

wookiemeister said:

i’ve thought about installing water tanks a while back – what happens when the water system fails?

back in november i thought – what if the power system fails ?

i’m thinking seeing if i can get some stainless steel tanks made up – it means the water tank can have UV light dipped into it to help sterilise the water. plastic water tanks are susceptible to uv damage

You get at least 20 years out of a poly tank.

the problem is that it makes an awful lot of waste, what happens after 20 years is you have millions of water tanks being thrown away

build it once, build it right and you never need to touch it again. money can be directed into other things than continually being spent on the same thing over and over again

wookiemeister said:

Tamb said:

wookiemeister said:

its a matter of how far down the rabbit you want to go down to predict what will happen

generally 90 percent of the population aren’t predictive – they lack that gene, they don’t make that cause and effect link, one thing leads to another

generally people only worry about things when it actually happens

i went out and bought lots of large water bottles last night – woke up and found the neighbourhood has no water and still doesn’t

i became a creature of predictive thought because i was forced to and because my job is all about prediction of whether something will be working months from now – i fix it now because it will break in a few months time.

It’s known as preventative maintenance.

rarely actually done (you have been lied to)

At the power station it was rigidly adhered to.

Tamb said:

wookiemeister said:

Tamb said:

It’s known as preventative maintenance.

rarely actually done (you have been lied to)

At the power station it was rigidly adhered to.

stanthorpe , right ?

wookiemeister said:

Tamb said:

wookiemeister said:

i’ve thought about installing water tanks a while back – what happens when the water system fails?

back in november i thought – what if the power system fails ?

i’m thinking seeing if i can get some stainless steel tanks made up – it means the water tank can have UV light dipped into it to help sterilise the water. plastic water tanks are susceptible to uv damage

You get at least 20 years out of a poly tank.

the problem is that it makes an awful lot of waste, what happens after 20 years is you have millions of water tanks being thrown away

build it once, build it right and you never need to touch it again. money can be directed into other things than continually being spent on the same thing over and over again

Poly is readily recyclable. It’s thermoplastic not thermosetting.

i walked into collinsville and looked at the planned maint versus reactive graph. most planned had gone, practically all reactive

the problem is contractors often get paid for reactive maintenance so they let the system fall over just enough to have continual break downs. i know because that how i was being directed to work.

wookiemeister said:

Tamb said:

wookiemeister said:

rarely actually done (you have been lied to)

At the power station it was rigidly adhered to.

stanthorpe , right ?

Collinsville & Kareeya.

Tamb said:

wookiemeister said:

Tamb said:

You get at least 20 years out of a poly tank.

the problem is that it makes an awful lot of waste, what happens after 20 years is you have millions of water tanks being thrown away

build it once, build it right and you never need to touch it again. money can be directed into other things than continually being spent on the same thing over and over again

Poly is readily recyclable. It’s thermoplastic not thermosetting.

i rather think these will just end up being dumped somewhere or slowly breaking apart causing plastic pollution

its not the perfect world

Tamb said:

wookiemeister said:

Tamb said:

At the power station it was rigidly adhered to.

stanthorpe , right ?

Collinsville & Kareeya.

oh shiiiiit

when were you at collinsville ?

wookiemeister said:

Tamb said:

wookiemeister said:

stanthorpe , right ?

Collinsville & Kareeya.

oh shiiiiit

when were you at collinsville ?

and i can tell you practically NO planned maint was being done there when i walked through

the union guy was getting them to do some work on the generators i believe when i was there but all the HP gas ash lines were bursting every other day (along with the water pipes)

wookiemeister said:

i walked into collinsville and looked at the planned maint versus reactive graph. most planned had gone, practically all reactive

the problem is contractors often get paid for reactive maintenance so they let the system fall over just enough to have continual break downs. i know because that how i was being directed to work.

When it was Govt owned the maintenance was done properly. In private hands it was as you describe.

wookiemeister said:

Tamb said:

wookiemeister said:

stanthorpe , right ?

Collinsville & Kareeya.

oh shiiiiit

when were you at collinsville ?

In the 80s

Tamb said:

wookiemeister said:

i walked into collinsville and looked at the planned maint versus reactive graph. most planned had gone, practically all reactive

the problem is contractors often get paid for reactive maintenance so they let the system fall over just enough to have continual break downs. i know because that how i was being directed to work.

When it was Govt owned the maintenance was done properly. In private hands it was as you describe.

ahhhhhh thats very different. what year was that? i know they closed it down for a while because the unions were out of control. they needed to purge the place

Tamb said:

wookiemeister said:

Tamb said:

Collinsville & Kareeya.

oh shiiiiit

when were you at collinsville ?

In the 80s

you would have laughed if you had walked in 2007

Tamb said:

wookiemeister said:

i walked into collinsville and looked at the planned maint versus reactive graph. most planned had gone, practically all reactive

the problem is contractors often get paid for reactive maintenance so they let the system fall over just enough to have continual break downs. i know because that how i was being directed to work.

When it was Govt owned the maintenance was done properly. In private hands it was as you describe.

communist

wookiemeister said:

Tamb said:

wookiemeister said:

i walked into collinsville and looked at the planned maint versus reactive graph. most planned had gone, practically all reactive

the problem is contractors often get paid for reactive maintenance so they let the system fall over just enough to have continual break downs. i know because that how i was being directed to work.

When it was Govt owned the maintenance was done properly. In private hands it was as you describe.

ahhhhhh thats very different. what year was that? i know they closed it down for a while because the unions were out of control. they needed to purge the place

The Govt sold it to an American company about when Gladstone was sold to Comalco (I think)

wookiemeister said:

Tamb said:

wookiemeister said:

oh shiiiiit

when were you at collinsville ?

In the 80s

you would have laughed if you had walked in 2007

Cried more like.

bbl

wookiemeister said:

bbl

k

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/un-report-reveals-russian-forces-raped-tortured-ukrainian-children/ar-AA12d3Ye?li=BBnb7Kz

captain_spalding said:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/un-report-reveals-russian-forces-raped-tortured-ukrainian-children/ar-AA12d3Ye?li=BBnb7Kz

Sadly, wookie approves of such behaviour and cb88 won’t remove him from our midst.

Bubblecar said:

captain_spalding said:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/un-report-reveals-russian-forces-raped-tortured-ukrainian-children/ar-AA12d3Ye?li=BBnb7Kz

Sadly, wookie approves of such behaviour and cb88 won’t remove him from our midst.

I doubt that wookie would approve of such things.

Unfortunately, he would possibly dismiss the report as ‘propaganda’ and resort to whataboutism.

captain_spalding said:

Bubblecar said:

captain_spalding said:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/un-report-reveals-russian-forces-raped-tortured-ukrainian-children/ar-AA12d3Ye?li=BBnb7Kz

Sadly, wookie approves of such behaviour and cb88 won’t remove him from our midst.

I doubt that wookie would approve of such things.

Unfortunately, he would possibly dismiss the report as ‘propaganda’ and resort to whataboutism.

I suspect he would thoroughly approve of such things.

At the border between Russia and Georgia:

Can’t see a lot of non-male, non-conscription-age face in that pic.

Suddenly, Russians are awfully keen to go to countries that they despised and considered third-rate before: Georgia, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Armenia…

“Edward Snowden given Russian citizenship by Vladimir Putin, two years after becoming permanent resident.”

I wonder if he is of military age…?

Dark Orange said:

“Edward Snowden given Russian citizenship by Vladimir Putin, two years after becoming permanent resident.”

I wonder if he is of military age…?

The Russians say that he can’t be conscripted because he’s not previously served in the Russian military.

Which would cause AN AWFUL LOT of blokes who’d previously been conscripted into Russia’s national service programme to wonder about just how that works.

Dark Orange said:

“Edward Snowden given Russian citizenship by Vladimir Putin, two years after becoming permanent resident.”

I wonder if he is of military age…?

That questiion was asked earlier.

◽️The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation.

💥More than a hundred militants and 15 pieces of military equipment have been eliminated by a missile strike on a temporary deployment point of foreign mercenaries near Zaporozhye.

💥 A repair and restoration point of the 72nd Mechanised Brigade of the AFU has been hit by the high-precision weapons of the Russian Aerospace Forces near Annovka (Donetsk People’s Republic). It has destroyed up to 50 fighters and 28 pieces of military equipment.

💥Attempt at an offensive by the 79th Airborne Assault Brigade of the AFU has been disrupted by concentrated fire strikes by Russian artillery in the direction of Maryinka (Donetsk People’s Republic). The enemy has lost over 50 militants.

💥 High-precision strikes by the Russian Aerospace Force against permanent deployment points and communication centers of the 46th Air Mobilization Brigade and the 60th Infantry Brigade of the AFU near Bezymennoye, Mirolyubovka and Osokorovka (Kherson Region), has resulted in the elimination of more than 30 militants and five units of military equipment. In all, the Armed Forces of Ukraine lost more than 110 people, including the wounded ones, as well as 13 pieces of military equipment in the direction of Nikolayev-Krivoy Rog.

💥Operational-tactical and army aviation, missile troopes and artillery strikes has resulted in the elimination of command post of a battalion of the 80th Airborne Assault Brigade of the AFU near Nikolayev, temporary deployment points of foreign mercenaries and the 10th Mountain Assault Brigade of the AFU near Zaporozhye and Druzhkovka (Donetsk People’s Republic), as well as 33 artillery units, manpower and military equipment in 178 areas.

◽️A HIMARS MLRS launching system has been struck in its firing position near Yavkino (Nikolaev region).

💥7 artillery platoons at the firing positions of the 57th Mechanised Infantry Brigade, 10th Mountain Assault Brigade, 24th Mechanised Brigade of the AFU and 102nd Territorial Defense Brigade near Lyubimovka (Dnepropetrovsk region), Markovo, Maiskoe (Donetsk People’s Republic), Shevchenkovo in (Nykolayev region), Zatishye and Rovnopolye (Zaporozhye region) have been struck during counter-battery operation.

💥In addition, an Osa-AKM air defence missile launcher near Novosyolovka (Zaporozhye region), two munitions depots near Antonovka and Andreevka (Donetsk People’s Republic), an air defence radar station near Krasnoarmeysk (Donetsk People’s Republic), and the Ukrainian Navy’s Gyurza armoured boat near the port of Ochakov have been destroyed as well.

◽️Two MiG-29 airplanes of the Ukrainian Air Force converted to use American HARM anti-radar missiles have been shot by fighter aircraft of the Russian Air Force near Novoukrainka and Bashtanka (Nikolayev region).

💥 Russian Air Defenсe Forces shot down 12 unmanned aerial vehicles near Yasinovataya, Staromlinovka, Novotroitskoye, Kirillovka, Yegorovka (Donetsk People’s Republic), Mayachka (Zaporozhye region), Davydov brod, Malokakhovka, Charivnoye and Mikhailovka (Kherson region).

◽️21 shells of multiple launch rocket systems, including 18 HIMARS missiled near Novaya Kakhovka (Kherson region), and Valeryanovka (Donetsk People’s Republic), and three Olha missiles near Guselskoye and Neskuchnoye (Donetsk People’s Republic) have been also intercepted in the air.

◽️Three American anti-radar HARM missiles were shot down near Novaya Kakhovka (Kherson region), and Svatovo (Lugansk People’s Republic).

i would say that this whole thing could be wrapped up by signing a treaty but sadly that point has passed. the US gov got trump to rip up the nukes treaty a few years back, the overflight of the US and russia is off the table now. the minsk agreement wasn’t entered to in good faith.

my guesses, russia is going all the way to the borders now. hungry should still get russian gas. the only way i can see anymore gas going to european states is by them having smaller militaries.

wookiemeister said:

◽️The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation.

💥More than a hundred militants and 15 pieces of military equipment have been eliminated by a missile strike on a temporary deployment point of foreign mercenaries near Zaporozhye.

💥 A repair and restoration point of the 72nd Mechanised Brigade of the AFU has been hit by the high-precision weapons of the Russian Aerospace Forces near Annovka (Donetsk People’s Republic). It has destroyed up to 50 fighters and 28 pieces of military equipment.

💥Attempt at an offensive by the 79th Airborne Assault Brigade of the AFU has been disrupted by concentrated fire strikes by Russian artillery in the direction of Maryinka (Donetsk People’s Republic). The enemy has lost over 50 militants.

💥 High-precision strikes by the Russian Aerospace Force against permanent deployment points and communication centers of the 46th Air Mobilization Brigade and the 60th Infantry Brigade of the AFU near Bezymennoye, Mirolyubovka and Osokorovka (Kherson Region), has resulted in the elimination of more than 30 militants and five units of military equipment. In all, the Armed Forces of Ukraine lost more than 110 people, including the wounded ones, as well as 13 pieces of military equipment in the direction of Nikolayev-Krivoy Rog.

💥Operational-tactical and army aviation, missile troopes and artillery strikes has resulted in the elimination of command post of a battalion of the 80th Airborne Assault Brigade of the AFU near Nikolayev, temporary deployment points of foreign mercenaries and the 10th Mountain Assault Brigade of the AFU near Zaporozhye and Druzhkovka (Donetsk People’s Republic), as well as 33 artillery units, manpower and military equipment in 178 areas.

◽️A HIMARS MLRS launching system has been struck in its firing position near Yavkino (Nikolaev region).

💥7 artillery platoons at the firing positions of the 57th Mechanised Infantry Brigade, 10th Mountain Assault Brigade, 24th Mechanised Brigade of the AFU and 102nd Territorial Defense Brigade near Lyubimovka (Dnepropetrovsk region), Markovo, Maiskoe (Donetsk People’s Republic), Shevchenkovo in (Nykolayev region), Zatishye and Rovnopolye (Zaporozhye region) have been struck during counter-battery operation.

💥In addition, an Osa-AKM air defence missile launcher near Novosyolovka (Zaporozhye region), two munitions depots near Antonovka and Andreevka (Donetsk People’s Republic), an air defence radar station near Krasnoarmeysk (Donetsk People’s Republic), and the Ukrainian Navy’s Gyurza armoured boat near the port of Ochakov have been destroyed as well.

◽️Two MiG-29 airplanes of the Ukrainian Air Force converted to use American HARM anti-radar missiles have been shot by fighter aircraft of the Russian Air Force near Novoukrainka and Bashtanka (Nikolayev region).

💥 Russian Air Defenсe Forces shot down 12 unmanned aerial vehicles near Yasinovataya, Staromlinovka, Novotroitskoye, Kirillovka, Yegorovka (Donetsk People’s Republic), Mayachka (Zaporozhye region), Davydov brod, Malokakhovka, Charivnoye and Mikhailovka (Kherson region).

◽️21 shells of multiple launch rocket systems, including 18 HIMARS missiled near Novaya Kakhovka (Kherson region), and Valeryanovka (Donetsk People’s Republic), and three Olha missiles near Guselskoye and Neskuchnoye (Donetsk People’s Republic) have been also intercepted in the air.

◽️Three American anti-radar HARM missiles were shot down near Novaya Kakhovka (Kherson region), and Svatovo (Lugansk People’s Republic).

I see the Russians haven’t taken out the Merman Radar Jamming System (MRJS) yet, very useful to the Ukrainians.

the ground is getting boggy now, the ukrainian assault is coming to a close

the russians are waiting for the ground to get hard for winter then use all those new soldiers to invade further west

Cymek said:

wookiemeister said:

◽️The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation.

💥More than a hundred militants and 15 pieces of military equipment have been eliminated by a missile strike on a temporary deployment point of foreign mercenaries near Zaporozhye.

💥 A repair and restoration point of the 72nd Mechanised Brigade of the AFU has been hit by the high-precision weapons of the Russian Aerospace Forces near Annovka (Donetsk People’s Republic). It has destroyed up to 50 fighters and 28 pieces of military equipment.

💥Attempt at an offensive by the 79th Airborne Assault Brigade of the AFU has been disrupted by concentrated fire strikes by Russian artillery in the direction of Maryinka (Donetsk People’s Republic). The enemy has lost over 50 militants.

💥 High-precision strikes by the Russian Aerospace Force against permanent deployment points and communication centers of the 46th Air Mobilization Brigade and the 60th Infantry Brigade of the AFU near Bezymennoye, Mirolyubovka and Osokorovka (Kherson Region), has resulted in the elimination of more than 30 militants and five units of military equipment. In all, the Armed Forces of Ukraine lost more than 110 people, including the wounded ones, as well as 13 pieces of military equipment in the direction of Nikolayev-Krivoy Rog.

💥Operational-tactical and army aviation, missile troopes and artillery strikes has resulted in the elimination of command post of a battalion of the 80th Airborne Assault Brigade of the AFU near Nikolayev, temporary deployment points of foreign mercenaries and the 10th Mountain Assault Brigade of the AFU near Zaporozhye and Druzhkovka (Donetsk People’s Republic), as well as 33 artillery units, manpower and military equipment in 178 areas.

◽️A HIMARS MLRS launching system has been struck in its firing position near Yavkino (Nikolaev region).

💥7 artillery platoons at the firing positions of the 57th Mechanised Infantry Brigade, 10th Mountain Assault Brigade, 24th Mechanised Brigade of the AFU and 102nd Territorial Defense Brigade near Lyubimovka (Dnepropetrovsk region), Markovo, Maiskoe (Donetsk People’s Republic), Shevchenkovo in (Nykolayev region), Zatishye and Rovnopolye (Zaporozhye region) have been struck during counter-battery operation.

💥In addition, an Osa-AKM air defence missile launcher near Novosyolovka (Zaporozhye region), two munitions depots near Antonovka and Andreevka (Donetsk People’s Republic), an air defence radar station near Krasnoarmeysk (Donetsk People’s Republic), and the Ukrainian Navy’s Gyurza armoured boat near the port of Ochakov have been destroyed as well.

◽️Two MiG-29 airplanes of the Ukrainian Air Force converted to use American HARM anti-radar missiles have been shot by fighter aircraft of the Russian Air Force near Novoukrainka and Bashtanka (Nikolayev region).

💥 Russian Air Defenсe Forces shot down 12 unmanned aerial vehicles near Yasinovataya, Staromlinovka, Novotroitskoye, Kirillovka, Yegorovka (Donetsk People’s Republic), Mayachka (Zaporozhye region), Davydov brod, Malokakhovka, Charivnoye and Mikhailovka (Kherson region).

◽️21 shells of multiple launch rocket systems, including 18 HIMARS missiled near Novaya Kakhovka (Kherson region), and Valeryanovka (Donetsk People’s Republic), and three Olha missiles near Guselskoye and Neskuchnoye (Donetsk People’s Republic) have been also intercepted in the air.

◽️Three American anti-radar HARM missiles were shot down near Novaya Kakhovka (Kherson region), and Svatovo (Lugansk People’s Republic).

I see the Russians haven’t taken out the Merman Radar Jamming System (MRJS) yet, very useful to the Ukrainians.

who really knows whats going on over there

the russians are nothing if not paitient

australia should have built a decent anti missile system decades ago

our entire infrastructure is vulnerable to attack

wookiemeister said:

i would say that this whole thing could be wrapped up by signing a treaty but sadly that point has passed. the US gov got trump to rip up the nukes treaty a few years back, the overflight of the US and russia is off the table now. the minsk agreement wasn’t entered to in good faith.

my guesses, russia is going all the way to the borders now. hungry should still get russian gas. the only way i can see anymore gas going to european states is by them having smaller militaries.

Why did the EU sign up to receive Russia energy and become so dependent on a enemy to supply its needs.
What did they think could or would happen even if this conflict hadn’t occurred.

I think if Russia surrenders now, Ukraine should offer to let them keep Belgorod Oblast.

wookiemeister said:

i would say that this whole thing could be wrapped up by signing a treaty but sadly that point has passed. the US gov got trump to rip up the nukes treaty a few years back, the overflight of the US and russia is off the table now. the minsk agreement wasn’t entered to in good faith.

my guesses, russia is going all the way to the borders now. hungry should still get russian gas. the only way i can see anymore gas going to european states is by them having smaller militaries.

The Ukes agreed to an 11th hour deal but Putin decided not to accept it. But yes, Putin just needs to sign a treaty to gtfo of Ukraine.

Cymek said:

wookiemeister said:

i would say that this whole thing could be wrapped up by signing a treaty but sadly that point has passed. the US gov got trump to rip up the nukes treaty a few years back, the overflight of the US and russia is off the table now. the minsk agreement wasn’t entered to in good faith.

my guesses, russia is going all the way to the borders now. hungry should still get russian gas. the only way i can see anymore gas going to european states is by them having smaller militaries.

Why did the EU sign up to receive Russia energy and become so dependent on a enemy to supply its needs.
What did they think could or would happen even if this conflict hadn’t occurred.

Because Germany set themselves unattainable renewable goals to appease the public.

wookiemeister said:

the minsk agreement wasn’t entered to in good faith.

I thought we had disposed of your utter twaddle about the Minsk II agreement the other day.

The agreement was NOT entered into in good faith:

Not by the Russians, who, despite being signatories to it, maintained that they had no responsibilities or obligations under that agreement

Not by the Russians, who continued to supply weapons and to send in fighting troops after the agreement was signed

Not by the Russians and separatists who continued to attack the city of Debaltseve for days after the agreement was signed, ultimately capturingthe city.

Not be the separatists who refused to allow elections as required by the agreement which they themselves signed.

If you have any sense at all, you’ll shut up about Minsk II.

Or do i have to destroy you all over again?

captain_spalding said:

wookiemeister said:

the minsk agreement wasn’t entered to in good faith.

I thought we had disposed of your utter twaddle about the Minsk II agreement the other day.

The agreement was NOT entered into in good faith:

Not by the Russians, who, despite being signatories to it, maintained that they had no responsibilities or obligations under that agreement

Not by the Russians, who continued to supply weapons and to send in fighting troops after the agreement was signed

Not by the Russians and separatists who continued to attack the city of Debaltseve for days after the agreement was signed, ultimately capturingthe city.

Not be the separatists who refused to allow elections as required by the agreement which they themselves signed.

If you have any sense at all, you’ll shut up about Minsk II.

Or do i have to destroy you all over again?

Take a star for that effort. 💥

Are nuclear weapon treaties even worth the paper they are printed on
Lets reduce the number of nuclear weapons from quite a number of thousands, to a thousand and half roughly each.
It’s kind of helpful as many of them are old and taking up space.
We will continue to develop smarter launch platforms hopefully so we can get in a decent first strike.
Studies have shown we’d cause serious damage to the climate by using a dozen or so nukes and we have many many more than this.
By the way no one else can develop them and we will introduce crippling sanctions if you do that won’t stop you but most likely make the poorest people in your nation suffer.

Nordstream 1 and 2 sabotaged ( bombed)

Now no gas will go to Europe

Cymek said:

wookiemeister said:

◽️The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation.

💥More than a hundred militants and 15 pieces of military equipment have been eliminated by a missile strike on a temporary deployment point of foreign mercenaries near Zaporozhye.

💥 A repair and restoration point of the 72nd Mechanised Brigade of the AFU has been hit by the high-precision weapons of the Russian Aerospace Forces near Annovka (Donetsk People’s Republic). It has destroyed up to 50 fighters and 28 pieces of military equipment.

💥Attempt at an offensive by the 79th Airborne Assault Brigade of the AFU has been disrupted by concentrated fire strikes by Russian artillery in the direction of Maryinka (Donetsk People’s Republic). The enemy has lost over 50 militants.

💥 High-precision strikes by the Russian Aerospace Force against permanent deployment points and communication centers of the 46th Air Mobilization Brigade and the 60th Infantry Brigade of the AFU near Bezymennoye, Mirolyubovka and Osokorovka (Kherson Region), has resulted in the elimination of more than 30 militants and five units of military equipment. In all, the Armed Forces of Ukraine lost more than 110 people, including the wounded ones, as well as 13 pieces of military equipment in the direction of Nikolayev-Krivoy Rog.

💥Operational-tactical and army aviation, missile troopes and artillery strikes has resulted in the elimination of command post of a battalion of the 80th Airborne Assault Brigade of the AFU near Nikolayev, temporary deployment points of foreign mercenaries and the 10th Mountain Assault Brigade of the AFU near Zaporozhye and Druzhkovka (Donetsk People’s Republic), as well as 33 artillery units, manpower and military equipment in 178 areas.

◽️A HIMARS MLRS launching system has been struck in its firing position near Yavkino (Nikolaev region).

💥7 artillery platoons at the firing positions of the 57th Mechanised Infantry Brigade, 10th Mountain Assault Brigade, 24th Mechanised Brigade of the AFU and 102nd Territorial Defense Brigade near Lyubimovka (Dnepropetrovsk region), Markovo, Maiskoe (Donetsk People’s Republic), Shevchenkovo in (Nykolayev region), Zatishye and Rovnopolye (Zaporozhye region) have been struck during counter-battery operation.

💥In addition, an Osa-AKM air defence missile launcher near Novosyolovka (Zaporozhye region), two munitions depots near Antonovka and Andreevka (Donetsk People’s Republic), an air defence radar station near Krasnoarmeysk (Donetsk People’s Republic), and the Ukrainian Navy’s Gyurza armoured boat near the port of Ochakov have been destroyed as well.

◽️Two MiG-29 airplanes of the Ukrainian Air Force converted to use American HARM anti-radar missiles have been shot by fighter aircraft of the Russian Air Force near Novoukrainka and Bashtanka (Nikolayev region).

💥 Russian Air Defenсe Forces shot down 12 unmanned aerial vehicles near Yasinovataya, Staromlinovka, Novotroitskoye, Kirillovka, Yegorovka (Donetsk People’s Republic), Mayachka (Zaporozhye region), Davydov brod, Malokakhovka, Charivnoye and Mikhailovka (Kherson region).

◽️21 shells of multiple launch rocket systems, including 18 HIMARS missiled near Novaya Kakhovka (Kherson region), and Valeryanovka (Donetsk People’s Republic), and three Olha missiles near Guselskoye and Neskuchnoye (Donetsk People’s Republic) have been also intercepted in the air.

◽️Three American anti-radar HARM missiles were shot down near Novaya Kakhovka (Kherson region), and Svatovo (Lugansk People’s Republic).

I see the Russians haven’t taken out the Merman Radar Jamming System (MRJS) yet, very useful to the Ukrainians.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l58YgVI84zU

A US Coast Guard ship on a routine patrol in the Bering Sea near Alaska, came across three Chinese and four Russian naval vessels in single formation.

The vessels included a guided missile cruiser from China and a Russian destroyer.

The patrol boat, known as a cutter called Kimball, discovered the vessels about 138 kilometres north of Alaska’s Kiska Island, which lies between the US state and Russia.

The Honolulu-based Kimball, a 127-meter vessel, observed as the ships broke formation and dispersed.

A C-130 Hercules provided air support for Kimball from the Coast Guard station in Kodiak.

“While the formation has operated in accordance with international rules and norms, we will meet presence with presence to ensure there are no disruptions to US interests in the maritime environment around Alaska,” Rear Admiral Nathan Moore said.

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Word is it was a yank submarine that blew up the gas pipelines

wookiemeister said:

Word is

Roflmfao

dv said:

wookiemeister said:

Word is

Roflmfao

Just heard there’s footage floating around with a uko force soldier stewing the head of a Russian soldier

Can you see how there will be no compromise now ?

Maybe there will be a peace treaty but given the wholesale nastiness of this conflict anything can happen.

As I said before, once the ground hardens up the Russians will do something

wookiemeister said:

dv said:

wookiemeister said:

Word is

Roflmfao

Just heard there’s footage floating around with a uko force soldier stewing the head of a Russian soldier

Can you see how there will be no compromise now ?

Where do you come up with this stuff?

Pootins laying in a spa in his mansion right now. Is he leaving it up to you to make it up for him now?

Bunny_Fugger said:

wookiemeister said:

dv said:

Roflmfao

Just heard there’s footage floating around with a uko force soldier stewing the head of a Russian soldier

Can you see how there will be no compromise now ?

Where do you come up with this stuff?

Pootins laying in a spa in his mansion right now. Is he leaving it up to you to make it up for him now?

I don’t think wookie can help himself. Random thought in head leaks out typing fingers.

Michael V said:

Bunny_Fugger said:

wookiemeister said:

Just heard there’s footage floating around with a uko force soldier stewing the head of a Russian soldier

Can you see how there will be no compromise now ?

Where do you come up with this stuff?

Pootins laying in a spa in his mansion right now. Is he leaving it up to you to make it up for him now?

I don’t think wookie can help himself. Random thought in head leaks out typing fingers.

He should get help for that. Leaky fingers can drain the circulatory system.

Kremlin claims victory in controversial Ukraine referendums set to pave way for annexation
Pro-Moscow officials say residents in four occupied areas of Ukraine have voted to join Russia.

After shelling them to death and all who would have voted against have either died or fled, the remainder are forced to vote on pain of death.

Meta says it has taken down the Kremlin’s ‘largest’ propaganda operation of the Ukraine war
The social media company discovers more than 60 websites designed to mimic legitimate news sites including The Guardian in the UK and Germany’s Der Spiegel, with links shared by 1,600 fake Facebook accounts.

roughbarked said:

Meta says it has taken down the Kremlin’s ‘largest’ propaganda operation of the Ukraine war
The social media company discovers more than 60 websites designed to mimic legitimate news sites including The Guardian in the UK and Germany’s Der Spiegel, with links shared by 1,600 fake Facebook accounts.

Well done, but professional Russian liars are nearly infinite in number.

Wookie is never likely to run out of sources of misinformation.

roughbarked said:

Meta says it has taken down the Kremlin’s ‘largest’ propaganda operation of the Ukraine war
The social media company discovers more than 60 websites designed to mimic legitimate news sites including The Guardian in the UK and Germany’s Der Spiegel, with links shared by 1,600 fake Facebook accounts.

That’s a pretty big deal, as Facebook loves fake news and accounts. Keeps “engagement” up.

I’d say the new intake into the army will spend the next few months training. I’d assume the ground will get hard sometime in November (?) For the offensive west. Word is, the campaign wraps up Dec 2022.

Three pipelines being blown just means no way back now.

wookiemeister said:

Three pipelines being blown just means no way back now.

Will be interesting to see what happened there. The Ruskies had plenty of other means of halting supply, and the Ukes wouldn’t bite the hand that feeds it.

wookiemeister said:

I’d say the new intake into the army will spend the next few months training. I’d assume the ground will get hard sometime in November (?) For the offensive west. Word is, the campaign wraps up Dec 2022.

Alternatively, given that they’re all supposed to be blokes who’ve previously been in the military, and who are being recalled as part of the emergency reserve (other countries, including Australia, have similar provisions), it might be decided that time is of the essence, we need some progress/victories in Ukraine ASAP (esp. before winter hits hard), no time for refreshers, fellers, here’s your kevlar, here’s your rifle, the buses for the front leave in ten minutes.

captain_spalding said:

wookiemeister said:

I’d say the new intake into the army will spend the next few months training. I’d assume the ground will get hard sometime in November (?) For the offensive west. Word is, the campaign wraps up Dec 2022.

Alternatively, given that they’re all supposed to be blokes who’ve previously been in the military, and who are being recalled as part of the emergency reserve (other countries, including Australia, have similar provisions), it might be decided that time is of the essence, we need some progress/victories in Ukraine ASAP (esp. before winter hits hard), no time for refreshers, fellers, here’s your kevlar, here’s your rifle, the buses for the front leave in ten minutes.

Remember Operation Barbarossa, we won

Cymek said:

Remember Operation Barbarossa, we won

General Winter won that.

Weather forecast for Donetsk shows regular, if light, rains on the way in the next several days.

It usually just gets wetter between now and the onset of winter. There’ll be no shortage of mud.

The next two weeks will be to the advantage of the side that’s better prepared now for manoeuvre in the prevailing conditions.

Presumably both sides have the equipment to campaign in winter when, as wookie points out, the mud freezes, but the question is who has enough of it, and will it be ably used?

The next couple of weeks will determine who possesses what advantage when winter arrives.

Cymek said:

Remember Operation Barbarossa, we won

The big difference is that Russia is invading another country, not vice versa.

Bubblecar said:

Cymek said:

Remember Operation Barbarossa, we won

The big difference is that Russia is invading another country, not vice versa.

Yes their is that, but they won but lost huge numbers of people a kind of not great motivational speech

Bubblecar said:

Cymek said:

Remember Operation Barbarossa, we won

The big difference is that Russia is invading another country, not vice versa.

The Germans’ biggest disadvantage in WW2 was the over-extension of their supply lines.

The more they advanced, the more tenuous became their ability to keep their armies supplied.

The more the Russians fell back, the shorter their supply lines became.

In the current conflict, neither side is greatly disadvantaged in that way, but the Russians may find it a little more difficult, as they have to transport materiel and men from resources widely spread over a very big country.

Probably the greatest example of short Russian supply lines in WW2 was Leningrad.

Sub-machine guns were made in factories in the city, and in the hands of people on the front-lines in a matter of minutes. On some occasions, the people who made them had to grab one, and help defend the factory.

Tanks were made in Leningrad, driven out of the factory door, and straight to the front line only a few kms away.

What the fuck is even up with this stupid topic name?

dv said:

What the fuck is even up with this stupid topic name?

This perhaps

https://books.google.com.au/books/about/Distant_Voices.html?id=xEbmMbep8_MC&source=kp_book_description&redir_esc=y

Cymek said:

dv said:

What the fuck is even up with this stupid topic name?

This perhaps

https://books.google.com.au/books/about/Distant_Voices.html?id=xEbmMbep8_MC&source=kp_book_description&redir_esc=y

Pilger is a moron, but I doubt that wookie is one of his followers.

Wookie is more far right than far left, although it can be hard to tell the difference these days in regard to various issues.

Cymek said:

dv said:

What the fuck is even up with this stupid topic name?

This perhaps

https://books.google.com.au/books/about/Distant_Voices.html?id=xEbmMbep8_MC&source=kp_book_description&redir_esc=y

seems logical.

Bogsnorkler said:

Cymek said:

dv said:

What the fuck is even up with this stupid topic name?

This perhaps

https://books.google.com.au/books/about/Distant_Voices.html?id=xEbmMbep8_MC&source=kp_book_description&redir_esc=y

seems logical.

d’n‘o’

The centrepiece of this new, expanded edition of his bestselling Distant Voices is Pilger’s reporting from East Timor, which he entered secretly in 1993 and where a third of the population has died as a result of Indonesia’s genocidal policies. This edition also contains more new material as well as all the original essays – from the myth-making of the Gulf War to the surreal pleasures of Disneyland. Breaking through the consensual silence, Pilger pays tribute to those dissenting voices we are seldom permitted to hear.

captain_spalding said:

wookiemeister said:

I’d say the new intake into the army will spend the next few months training. I’d assume the ground will get hard sometime in November (?) For the offensive west. Word is, the campaign wraps up Dec 2022.

Alternatively, given that they’re all supposed to be blokes who’ve previously been in the military, and who are being recalled as part of the emergency reserve (other countries, including Australia, have similar provisions), it might be decided that time is of the essence, we need some progress/victories in Ukraine ASAP (esp. before winter hits hard), no time for refreshers, fellers, here’s your kevlar, here’s your rifle, the buses for the front leave in ten minutes.

Kevlar?

https://twitter.com/TadeuszGiczan/status/1574493253222678528

SCIENCE said:

Bogsnorkler said:

Cymek said:

This perhaps

https://books.google.com.au/books/about/Distant_Voices.html?id=xEbmMbep8_MC&source=kp_book_description&redir_esc=y

seems logical.

d’n‘o’

The centrepiece of this new, expanded edition of his bestselling Distant Voices is Pilger’s reporting from East Timor, which he entered secretly in 1993 and where a third of the population has died as a result of Indonesia’s genocidal policies. This edition also contains more new material as well as all the original essays – from the myth-making of the Gulf War to the surreal pleasures of Disneyland. Breaking through the consensual silence, Pilger pays tribute to those dissenting voices we are seldom permitted to hear.

Like wookie, Pilger is a big Putin fan and blames the West and Ukraine for Russia’s invasion.

Pilger is an ancient far-lefty who has never met an anti-Western dictator he didn’t like.

captain_spalding said:

Cymek said:

Remember Operation Barbarossa, we won

General Winter won that.

Weather forecast for Donetsk shows regular, if light, rains on the way in the next several days.

It usually just gets wetter between now and the onset of winter. There’ll be no shortage of mud.

The next two weeks will be to the advantage of the side that’s better prepared now for manoeuvre in the prevailing conditions.

Presumably both sides have the equipment to campaign in winter when, as wookie points out, the mud freezes, but the question is who has enough of it, and will it be ably used?

The next couple of weeks will determine who possesses what advantage when winter arrives.

Might be where the Bushmasters shine?

dv said:

What the fuck is even up with this stupid topic name?

The voices are so far from the truth. They are four times more distant in this thread than the last one?

Russian vote counting in Donbas ‘referendum’:

https://imgur.com/gallery/TypR2Xf

Look at the reverse side of the ballot paper, not the printed side, and add it to the ‘da’ pile.

Make sure you hold up the printed side so that everyone can clearly see that neither the ‘da’ or ‘nyet’ box on any of the papers has been marked.

Is democratic. Is good.

Link

First openly trans US Army officer arrested as ‘Russian spy’
A Maryland couple was charged for offering medical secrets to an undercover FBI agent

wookiemeister said:

First openly trans US Army officer arrested as ‘Russian spy’
A Maryland couple was charged for offering medical secrets to an undercover FBI agent

Medical secrets?

Would they be those ‘one simple trick that doctors don’t want you to know about’ sort of things?

wookiemeister said:

First openly trans US Army officer arrested as ‘Russian spy’
A Maryland couple was charged for offering medical secrets to an undercover FBI agent

Medical secrets?

captain_spalding said:

wookiemeister said:

First openly trans US Army officer arrested as ‘Russian spy’
A Maryland couple was charged for offering medical secrets to an undercover FBI agent

Medical secrets?

Would they be those ‘one simple trick that doctors don’t want you to know about’ sort of things?

Local grandmother “insert your surburb” simple trick to look 20 year younger, doctor put out hit on her to not reveal secret

Dark Orange said:

wookiemeister said:

First openly trans US Army officer arrested as ‘Russian spy’
A Maryland couple was charged for offering medical secrets to an undercover FBI agent

Medical secrets?

I’m thinking dan Brown da Vinci code “secrets”

Maybe who has a pacemaker/ some weakness that given the right pressure would work wonders

wookiemeister said:

Dark Orange said:

wookiemeister said:

First openly trans US Army officer arrested as ‘Russian spy’
A Maryland couple was charged for offering medical secrets to an undercover FBI agent

Medical secrets?

I’m thinking dan Brown da Vinci code “secrets”

Maybe who has a pacemaker/ some weakness that given the right pressure would work wonders

Could it be that…

…Donald Trump’s tan is fake?!

(cue dramatic music sting)

captain_spalding said:

wookiemeister said:

Dark Orange said:

Medical secrets?

I’m thinking dan Brown da Vinci code “secrets”

Maybe who has a pacemaker/ some weakness that given the right pressure would work wonders

Could it be that…

…Donald Trump’s tan is fake?!

(cue dramatic music sting)

Always made me wonder why he does that

Cymek said:

captain_spalding said:

wookiemeister said:

First openly trans US Army officer arrested as ‘Russian spy’
A Maryland couple was charged for offering medical secrets to an undercover FBI agent

Medical secrets?

Would they be those ‘one simple trick that doctors don’t want you to know about’ sort of things?

Local grandmother “insert your surburb” simple trick to look 20 year younger, doctor put out hit on her to not reveal secret

That was a trick the doctors really didn’t want you to know.

What a strange hill to die on.

A U.S. Army major doctor and their physician wife have been charged with a criminal plot to give confidential medical information related to members of the U.S. military and their spouses to the Russian government.

wookiemeister said:

captain_spalding said:

wookiemeister said:

I’m thinking dan Brown da Vinci code “secrets”

Maybe who has a pacemaker/ some weakness that given the right pressure would work wonders

Could it be that…

…Donald Trump’s tan is fake?!

(cue dramatic music sting)

Always made me wonder why he does that

Vanity.

Putin says U.S. created nuclear PRECEDENT by bombing Japan and vows to ‘smash’ the ‘satanic’ West: Rants that America is STILL occupying Germany, ‘Anglo-Saxons’ blew up Nord Stream and warns he’ll use ‘all forces’ to defend annexed Ukraine regions