Date: 16/09/2022 14:48:22
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1933736
Subject: Pacific Islands remain divided on deep-sea mining as trial begins to extract precious metals from ocean floor

Science say’s there is so much to learn from the deep-sea. Whereas the Deep-sea mining companies, say “NO! We know what we want and it’s down there and we’re going get it before someone else can.”


The company hopes the trial will pave the way for deep-sea mining at a commercial scale.

Electric robots will soon be crawling along the sea floor and sucking up precious metals through a giant straw in a controversial trial to mine some of the ocean’s deepest, most pristine environments. Deep-sea mining operator The Metals Company has been granted approval by the International Seabed Authority to begin testing its collection system in Pacific waters. It will be the first time since the 1970s that this has been allowed to occur.

Deep seabed mining companies want to collect deposits of minerals and precious metals that can be used in the production of products like smartphones and computers. The Metals Company chief executive Gerard Barron told the ABC it was a very significant step towards deep-sea mining at a commercial scale. “We’ll be mobilising in the coming days,” Mr Barron said.

One of the company’s vessels is now preparing to leave Mexico, while another is already surveying the lucrative mining zone located between Mexico and Hawaii.


The mining company’s subsea collector will crawl along the seafloor, collecting nuggets of rock that contain rare-earth metals.

The trial involves a robot that will crawl along the sea floor, collecting nuggets of rock that contain cobalt, nickel and other rare-earth metals used to make electric batteries. These rocks will be sucked up to the water’s surface through a device called a riser. “Think of that as a big, long straw,” Mr Barron said. The company expects to collect around 3,600 tonnes of material between now and December.

About 100 people, including scientists, will be on board another vessel, observing the environmental impact of the work. Mr Barron urged people to not jump to conclusions about what those impacts may be. “Our view is ‘can we just do the science’,” he said. “The evidence that we’re seeing … is indicating that we can collect these rocks … at a fraction of the environmental and societal impacts compared to land-based alternatives.”

Mr Barron said rare metals collected from the seabed were essential in the transition to a carbon-neutral planet.


The Metals Company says its approach is more environmentally sustainable than land-based mining alternatives. (Supplied: The Metals Company )

But some scientists argue the true risks of deep-sea mining are not fully understood.

Gavin Mudd, an associate professor of environmental engineering at RMIT University, said the ecosystems where mining would occur had taken centuries, or even millennia, to form. “We’re dealing with a part of the ocean that has incredibly unique biodiversity. And we’re only just starting to understand that,” Dr Mudd said. “I think there are real concerns around any disturbance of deep-sea ecosystem like this.”

Dr Mudd said the environmental impacts should be monitored over decades. “That’s often not the way that regulators and companies approach things,” he said. “They do a trial for a short time, and then they extrapolate.”


Nodules collected from the seabed can contain essential battery metals. (Supplied: The Metals Company)

Mr Barron said environmental monitoring would take place over decades, but expressed urgency to push forward with extraction. “We don’t have the luxury of sitting back now and saying, ‘well, we should be monitoring this for another 10 years’,” he said. “We’ve been studying this part of the ocean … since the late 1960s. “So the notion that we don’t know much about this is just plain wrong.” Mr Barron said 80 per cent of fauna living on the seabed was bacteria “That doesn’t mean it’s not important, and that we shouldn’t do everything we can to understand it, and to protect it,” he said. “But it helps that we’re not dealing with equatorial rainforests.”

However, Pacific countries are divided in their opinions about deep-sea mining. Tuvalu Minister of Foreign Affairs Simon Kofe said there should be consultation within the region before any exploration or extraction takes place. “I note the numerous procedures that were followed toward the approval of the pilot trial, but I feel that the Pacific is quite divided on the issue,” Mr Kofe said. “Nations have declared or proposed moratoriums, citing the unknown risks of mining to our ocean and its biodiversity.”


Mr Kofe, who became widely known for giving a COP26 statement in water to highlight climate change threats, is concerned about the mining.

The government of Nauru is sponsoring The Metals Company’s activities in the Clarion Clipperton Zone – a part of the international seabed reserved for Pacific states.

Last year, Nauru also pushed the International Seabed Authority to fast-track the creation of deep-sea mining regulations. “We understand why countries are moving in this direction, but the risks are immense, and it is a matter that can affect our entire Pacific family,” Mr Kofe said. “I believe further consultation should be undertaken among our Pacific nations before these trials begin.”

Kiribati and Cook Islands have also been exploring the possibility of seabed mining in their own domestic waters. The seabed minerals commissioner for the Cook Islands Seabed Authority, Alex Herman, said her organisation would be watching the trial closely. “The Cook Islands is only allowing exploration at this stage,” she said. “We currently don’t have enough information to support moving to the next phase, which would be harvesting nodules.” Ms Herman believes individual countries should be able to make autonomous decisions surrounding seabed mining. “Some of these moratorium calls are confusing, ambiguous, arbitrary and cut across the sovereign rights of our country,” she said.

Others have expressed concern around transparency within the industry.

Greenpeace Aotearoa seabed mining campaigner James Hita said they were concerned about discussions between mining companies and the regulator, the International Seabed Authority. “They meet behind closed doors,” he said. “There is a huge issue with us not being able to scrutinise and not being able to hold to account these companies and the licenses they hold to mine.”

A New York Times report alleged the International Seabed Authority provided The Metals Company with information, which helped it secure licences to lucrative mining zones.

Mr Barron denied the claim. “We are absolutely certain that no information exchanged hands between the regulator and between The Metals Company around the permits,” he told the ABC. Mr Barron also raised eyebrows when he represented Nauru at an International Seabed Authority assembly in 2019. He said it was “naive” to suggest his company was influencing the government. “If you’ve ever met anyone from Nauru, you will know that no one pulls their strings as a nation,” Mr Barron said. “They are very proud. They’re very forthright, and they’re nobody’s puppet.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-09-15/deepsea-mining-pacific-ocean-nauru-metals/101438478

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Date: 16/09/2022 15:00:03
From: Michael V
ID: 1933739
Subject: re: Pacific Islands remain divided on deep-sea mining as trial begins to extract precious metals from ocean floor

There was an international moratorium on deep-sea mining. I wonder when and how that got removed.

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Date: 16/09/2022 15:08:00
From: Michael V
ID: 1933742
Subject: re: Pacific Islands remain divided on deep-sea mining as trial begins to extract precious metals from ocean floor

Michael V said:


There was an international moratorium on deep-sea mining. I wonder when and how that got removed.

Wrong. It has only been talked about.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Seabed_Authority

UN body, based in Kingston, Jamaica.

TIC: Corruption never happens there, now does it? /TIC

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Date: 16/09/2022 15:09:33
From: Cymek
ID: 1933743
Subject: re: Pacific Islands remain divided on deep-sea mining as trial begins to extract precious metals from ocean floor

Michael V said:


Michael V said:

There was an international moratorium on deep-sea mining. I wonder when and how that got removed.

Wrong. It has only been talked about.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Seabed_Authority

UN body, based in Kingston, Jamaica.

TIC: Corruption never happens there, now does it? /TIC

“Hey mun, don’t you be dissin Ja Ma Ca”

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Date: 16/09/2022 15:13:34
From: Cymek
ID: 1933744
Subject: re: Pacific Islands remain divided on deep-sea mining as trial begins to extract precious metals from ocean floor

With humanity’s seemingly unquenchable thirst for resources to continually advanced technologically were do we stop.
Deep ocean mining seems like it may be one such area, the method they are using seems relatively benign but who knows, the damage is likely to be noticed too late.

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Date: 16/09/2022 15:15:10
From: Michael V
ID: 1933745
Subject: re: Pacific Islands remain divided on deep-sea mining as trial begins to extract precious metals from ocean floor

Cymek said:


Michael V said:

Michael V said:

There was an international moratorium on deep-sea mining. I wonder when and how that got removed.

Wrong. It has only been talked about.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Seabed_Authority

UN body, based in Kingston, Jamaica.

TIC: Corruption never happens there, now does it? /TIC

“Hey mun, don’t you be dissin Ja Ma Ca”

Me na diss, me carl im art.

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Date: 18/09/2022 09:53:22
From: party_pants
ID: 1934308
Subject: re: Pacific Islands remain divided on deep-sea mining as trial begins to extract precious metals from ocean floor

Off all the potential mining operations that could be done, I am the least concerned about deep sea mining. These nodules have been known about for decades, but the economics of collecting them has not been been worth it since the metals were not valuable enough. I guess that is changing now.

If we want the world to shift from fossil fuels to renewables, it is going to take a lot of mining of the necessary materials to make the batteries and so on. All this “stuff” has to come from somewhere. It is unavoidable.

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Date: 18/09/2022 09:58:24
From: roughbarked
ID: 1934312
Subject: re: Pacific Islands remain divided on deep-sea mining as trial begins to extract precious metals from ocean floor

party_pants said:


Off all the potential mining operations that could be done, I am the least concerned about deep sea mining. These nodules have been known about for decades, but the economics of collecting them has not been been worth it since the metals were not valuable enough. I guess that is changing now.

If we want the world to shift from fossil fuels to renewables, it is going to take a lot of mining of the necessary materials to make the batteries and so on. All this “stuff” has to come from somewhere. It is unavoidable.

true.
In general though, much of it will be from areas not mined before.
We should be trying to source as much of the minerals we need from the wastes of previous mining and from garbage tips that we can.

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Date: 18/09/2022 14:28:23
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1934484
Subject: re: Pacific Islands remain divided on deep-sea mining as trial begins to extract precious metals from ocean floor

party_pants said:


Off all the potential mining operations that could be done, I am the least concerned about deep sea mining. These nodules have been known about for decades, but the economics of collecting them has not been been worth it since the metals were not valuable enough. I guess that is changing now.

If we want the world to shift from fossil fuels to renewables, it is going to take a lot of mining of the necessary materials to make the batteries and so on. All this “stuff” has to come from somewhere. It is unavoidable.

Quite right, it is all about us.

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Date: 18/09/2022 14:32:26
From: roughbarked
ID: 1934486
Subject: re: Pacific Islands remain divided on deep-sea mining as trial begins to extract precious metals from ocean floor

PermeateFree said:


party_pants said:

Off all the potential mining operations that could be done, I am the least concerned about deep sea mining. These nodules have been known about for decades, but the economics of collecting them has not been been worth it since the metals were not valuable enough. I guess that is changing now.

If we want the world to shift from fossil fuels to renewables, it is going to take a lot of mining of the necessary materials to make the batteries and so on. All this “stuff” has to come from somewhere. It is unavoidable.

Quite right, it is all about us.

Diminished ecosystems impacting bee populations

Mr Ringin said environmental changes, loss of habitat, the nutritional limitations of mono-culture species in broad acre crops, and the cumulative effects of chemicals and insecticides used in intensive agriculture, have all contributed to dwindling bee populations.

“We don’t really measure how those things interact,” he said.

“All we’re interested in is if a particular crop looks more attractive or keeps on the shelf a little bit longer or maybe its flavour is enhanced.”

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Date: 18/09/2022 15:02:58
From: party_pants
ID: 1934489
Subject: re: Pacific Islands remain divided on deep-sea mining as trial begins to extract precious metals from ocean floor

PermeateFree said:


party_pants said:

Off all the potential mining operations that could be done, I am the least concerned about deep sea mining. These nodules have been known about for decades, but the economics of collecting them has not been been worth it since the metals were not valuable enough. I guess that is changing now.

If we want the world to shift from fossil fuels to renewables, it is going to take a lot of mining of the necessary materials to make the batteries and so on. All this “stuff” has to come from somewhere. It is unavoidable.

Quite right, it is all about us.

Of course it is.

The deep oceans are not exactly teaming with life and biodiversity. Below a couple of hundred metres depth there is no sunlight. so no photosynthesis, no plants. The creatures of the deep rely on detritus and dead things that fall from the upper layers. It is scavenger based ecosystem. It is not going to be destroyed by a deep sea robot picking up rocks.

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Date: 18/09/2022 15:04:40
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1934490
Subject: re: Pacific Islands remain divided on deep-sea mining as trial begins to extract precious metals from ocean floor

party_pants said:


PermeateFree said:

party_pants said:

Off all the potential mining operations that could be done, I am the least concerned about deep sea mining. These nodules have been known about for decades, but the economics of collecting them has not been been worth it since the metals were not valuable enough. I guess that is changing now.

If we want the world to shift from fossil fuels to renewables, it is going to take a lot of mining of the necessary materials to make the batteries and so on. All this “stuff” has to come from somewhere. It is unavoidable.

Quite right, it is all about us.

Of course it is.

The deep oceans are not exactly teaming with life and biodiversity. Below a couple of hundred metres depth there is no sunlight. so no photosynthesis, no plants. The creatures of the deep rely on detritus and dead things that fall from the upper layers. It is scavenger based ecosystem. It is not going to be destroyed by a deep sea robot picking up rocks.

It’s Gollum country.

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Date: 18/09/2022 16:06:59
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1934492
Subject: re: Pacific Islands remain divided on deep-sea mining as trial begins to extract precious metals from ocean floor

party_pants said:


PermeateFree said:

party_pants said:

Off all the potential mining operations that could be done, I am the least concerned about deep sea mining. These nodules have been known about for decades, but the economics of collecting them has not been been worth it since the metals were not valuable enough. I guess that is changing now.

If we want the world to shift from fossil fuels to renewables, it is going to take a lot of mining of the necessary materials to make the batteries and so on. All this “stuff” has to come from somewhere. It is unavoidable.

Quite right, it is all about us.

Of course it is.

The deep oceans are not exactly teaming with life and biodiversity. Below a couple of hundred metres depth there is no sunlight. so no photosynthesis, no plants. The creatures of the deep rely on detritus and dead things that fall from the upper layers. It is scavenger based ecosystem. It is not going to be destroyed by a deep sea robot picking up rocks.

Well for a start, we simply do not know as so little has been investigated, let alone studied. Areas containing smokers where metals collect are teaming with life and as these areas are often a considerable distance from other colonies, they act like islands occupied with different species. These hotspots of biodiversity are extremely vulnerable, and life can be easily sent extinct.

What you have with these nodules is a goldrush for these miners with valuable items just lying there for the taking. Such situations do not encourage good practice especially when in conflict with wildlife. This attitude of take it if you want it, is what has caused the environmental problems we currently face. It is about time we learnt from past mistakes and do some real scientific investigation before we stuff up other life forms and their unique ecosystems.

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Date: 18/09/2022 16:24:42
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1934498
Subject: re: Pacific Islands remain divided on deep-sea mining as trial begins to extract precious metals from ocean floor

PermeateFree said:


party_pants said:

PermeateFree said:

Quite right, it is all about us.

Of course it is.

The deep oceans are not exactly teaming with life and biodiversity. Below a couple of hundred metres depth there is no sunlight. so no photosynthesis, no plants. The creatures of the deep rely on detritus and dead things that fall from the upper layers. It is scavenger based ecosystem. It is not going to be destroyed by a deep sea robot picking up rocks.

Well for a start, we simply do not know as so little has been investigated, let alone studied. Areas containing smokers where metals collect are teaming with life and as these areas are often a considerable distance from other colonies, they act like islands occupied with different species. These hotspots of biodiversity are extremely vulnerable, and life can be easily sent extinct.

What you have with these nodules is a goldrush for these miners with valuable items just lying there for the taking. Such situations do not encourage good practice especially when in conflict with wildlife. This attitude of take it if you want it, is what has caused the environmental problems we currently face. It is about time we learnt from past mistakes and do some real scientific investigation before we stuff up other life forms and their unique ecosystems.

Very little is known about deep sea ecosystems or the potential impacts of deep-sea mining. Polymetallic nodule fields are hotspots of abundance and diversity for a highly vulnerable abyssal fauna, much of which lives attached to nodules or in the sediment immediately beneath it.

Nodule mining could affect tens of thousands of square kilometers of these deep sea ecosystems, and ecosystems take millions of years to recover. It causes habitat alteration, direct mortality of benthic creatures, or smothering of filter feeders by sediment.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manganese_nodule

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