Record breaking typhoon heading for Japan.

Did the Japs turn off their nuclear powerstations in the end ? The tsunami caught them with their pants down last time.

There’s been startlingly little information about this typhoon on English-speaking news media so far.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2022/09/17/national/typhoon-nanmadol-rapid-intensification/

Typhoon Nanmadol — on par with a Category 5 hurricane in strength — is forecast to reach the island of Kyushu this weekend and then curve northeast over Japan’s main islands, delivering unprecedented winds, waves and storm surges to some areas.

Level four evacuation instructions – the second highest – were in place for people in Kagoshima, Kumamoto and Miyazaki in the southern Kyushu region.

mollwollfumble said:

There’s been startlingly little information about this typhoon on English-speaking news media so far.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2022/09/17/national/typhoon-nanmadol-rapid-intensification/

Typhoon Nanmadol — on par with a Category 5 hurricane in strength — is forecast to reach the island of Kyushu this weekend and then curve northeast over Japan’s main islands, delivering unprecedented winds, waves and storm surges to some areas.

Level four evacuation instructions – the second highest – were in place for people in Kagoshima, Kumamoto and Miyazaki in the southern Kyushu region.

That’ll stir up all of Fukashima’s wastes.

mollwollfumble said:

There’s been startlingly little information about this typhoon on English-speaking news media so far.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2022/09/17/national/typhoon-nanmadol-rapid-intensification/

Typhoon Nanmadol — on par with a Category 5 hurricane in strength — is forecast to reach the island of Kyushu this weekend and then curve northeast over Japan’s main islands, delivering unprecedented winds, waves and storm surges to some areas.

Level four evacuation instructions – the second highest – were in place for people in Kagoshima, Kumamoto and Miyazaki in the southern Kyushu region.

I did hear a snippet on the BBC last night and I said to myself, I said ‘that’s what Moll’s thread will be about’ I said.

Peak Warming Man said:

mollwollfumble said:

There’s been startlingly little information about this typhoon on English-speaking news media so far.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2022/09/17/national/typhoon-nanmadol-rapid-intensification/

Typhoon Nanmadol — on par with a Category 5 hurricane in strength — is forecast to reach the island of Kyushu this weekend and then curve northeast over Japan’s main islands, delivering unprecedented winds, waves and storm surges to some areas.

Level four evacuation instructions – the second highest – were in place for people in Kagoshima, Kumamoto and Miyazaki in the southern Kyushu region.

I did hear a snippet on the BBC last night and I said to myself, I said ‘that’s what Moll’s thread will be about’ I said.

It’s a super typhoon or otherwise a cat 5 cyclone for us.

I vote that instead of having half a dozen different names for the same thing, we just use the term “cyclone” no matter where it is.

dv said:

I vote that instead of having half a dozen different names for the same thing, we just use the term “cyclone” no matter where it is.

The names are somewhat regional so seeing the name helps identify where it is.

Tamb said:

dv said:

I vote that instead of having half a dozen different names for the same thing, we just use the term “cyclone” no matter where it is.

The names are somewhat regional so seeing the name helps identify where it is.

Given that the report will say where it is anyway, this is redundant.

dv said:

Tamb said:

dv said:

I vote that instead of having half a dozen different names for the same thing, we just use the term “cyclone” no matter where it is.

The names are somewhat regional so seeing the name helps identify where it is.

Given that the report will say where it is anyway, this is redundant.

I refer to them all as cyclones but in truth they don’t call them that on the other side of the equator.

dv said:

I vote that instead of having half a dozen different names for the same thing, we just use the term “cyclone” no matter where it is.

Tropical cyclone.

Some people call any low pressure system a cyclone. A tropical cyclone is one where the pressure and wind speeds hit a particular number.

roughbarked said:

dv said:

Tamb said:

The names are somewhat regional so seeing the name helps identify where it is.

Given that the report will say where it is anyway, this is redundant.

I refer to them all as cyclones but in truth they don’t call them that on the other side of the equator.

Because they rotate in the opposite direction.

party_pants said:

dv said:

I vote that instead of having half a dozen different names for the same thing, we just use the term “cyclone” no matter where it is.

Tropical cyclone.

Some people call any low pressure system a cyclone. A tropical cyclone is one where the pressure and wind speeds hit a particular number.

And it must have a rotating core.

Tamb said:

roughbarked said:

dv said:

Given that the report will say where it is anyway, this is redundant.

I refer to them all as cyclones but in truth they don’t call them that on the other side of the equator.

Because they rotate in the opposite direction.

Depends on whether you are standing on your head or not?

Tamb said:

party_pants said:

dv said:

I vote that instead of having half a dozen different names for the same thing, we just use the term “cyclone” no matter where it is.

Tropical cyclone.

Some people call any low pressure system a cyclone. A tropical cyclone is one where the pressure and wind speeds hit a particular number.

And it must have a rotating core.

A cyclone has to develop over open ocean. Sure a coastal low can be as severe as a cyclone but it is a different thing.

Tamb said:

party_pants said:

dv said:

I vote that instead of having half a dozen different names for the same thing, we just use the term “cyclone” no matter where it is.

Tropical cyclone.

Some people call any low pressure system a cyclone. A tropical cyclone is one where the pressure and wind speeds hit a particular number.

And it must have a rotating core.

Yes. To be more precise a cyclone is a rotating (i.e. non frontal) low pressure system. Hence the name.

roughbarked said:

Tamb said:

roughbarked said:

I refer to them all as cyclones but in truth they don’t call them that on the other side of the equator.

Because they rotate in the opposite direction.

Depends on whether you are standing on your head or not?

I find it impossible to stand on my own head.

Tamb said:

roughbarked said:

Tamb said:

Because they rotate in the opposite direction.

Depends on whether you are standing on your head or not?

I find it impossible to stand on my own head.

Must admit a great deal of difficulty trying it with no hands.

Tamb said:

roughbarked said:

dv said:

Given that the report will say where it is anyway, this is redundant.

I refer to them all as cyclones but in truth they don’t call them that on the other side of the equator.

Because they rotate in the opposite direction.

I think they don’t, in an absolute sense.

dv said:

Tamb said:

roughbarked said:

I refer to them all as cyclones but in truth they don’t call them that on the other side of the equator.

Because they rotate in the opposite direction.

I think they don’t, in an absolute sense.

They are cyclones from whichever way you look.

dv said:

Tamb said:

roughbarked said:

I refer to them all as cyclones but in truth they don’t call them that on the other side of the equator.

Because they rotate in the opposite direction.

I think they don’t, in an absolute sense.

Steve (primus) the meteorologist calls them “tropical revolving storms”.

Michael V said:

dv said:

Tamb said:

Because they rotate in the opposite direction.

I think they don’t, in an absolute sense.

Steve (primus) the meteorologist calls them “tropical revolving storms”.

That’ll do.

dv said:

Tamb said:

roughbarked said:

I refer to them all as cyclones but in truth they don’t call them that on the other side of the equator.

Because they rotate in the opposite direction.

I think they don’t, in an absolute sense.

are they pseudovectorised

Also there are too many names for the puma.

dv said:

Also there are too many names for the puma.

You mean painter.

dv said:

Also there are too many names for the puma.

Couldn’t agree more.

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

Also there are too many names for the puma.

You mean painter.

stinker.

roughbarked said:

dv said:

Also there are too many names for the puma.

Couldn’t agree more.

next they’ll be telling us there are too many linguistic and cultural groups and humanity is too diverse who knows

roughbarked said:

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

Also there are too many names for the puma.

You mean painter.

stinker.

hooker

dv said:

I vote that instead of having half a dozen different names for the same thing, we just use the term “cyclone” no matter where it is.

Or “super happy crazy wind”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-09-18/japan-issues-special-typhoon-warning-for-unprecedented-storm/101451582

The difference between a cyclone, hurricane, and typhoon.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-45519964

Spiny Norman said:

The difference between a cyclone, hurricane, and typhoon.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-45519964

> They are all the same thing: tropical storms. But they are known by different names in different locations.
> In the North Atlantic Ocean and Northeast Pacific, they are called hurricanes. But if the same type of disturbance takes place in the Northwest Pacific Ocean, it is known as a typhoon.
> And in the South Pacific and Indian Ocean, cyclone is the correct term.

And in the South Atlantic – it’s anyone’s guess. They do occur there, but only rarely.

There are some other subtleties.
One subtlety is that “hurricane” can refer to a peak wind speed in excess of 118 km/hr, irrespective of where it occurs in the world or its meteorological origin.
A second subtlety is that “cyclone” can refer to any extreme wind around a low pressure system. We in Australia used to distinguish between “tropical cyclones” and “extra-tropical cyclones”. The latter hitting places like Perth and Tasmania. It’s only recently that we’re dropped the “tropical” to rename “tropical cyclones” to “cyclones”.
A third subtlety is tropical cyclones aren’t just found in the tropics. From memory, three have hit Ireland, which is a long way from the equator.

There are more typhoons than there are cyclones and hurricanes combined. I put this down to the shallow seas there generated by a vast mass of offshore coral. The shallower the sea, the hotter the water. The hotter the water, the more evaporation and the more cyclones/hurricanes/typhoons. The deeper the sea (eg. off South America) the fewer. So cyclones/hurricanes/typhoons are generated by corals. (This is the number one example of biology influencing meteorology).

TOKYO, Sept 19 (Reuters) – Typhoon Nanmadol pounded western Japan with heavy rain and strong winds on Monday, forcing airlines to cancel flights, snarling train operations and leaving about 340,000 households without power as of early Monday morning.

On some level, the Japanese will be quietly enjoying this.

Without dismissing the genuine severity of the storm that approaches Japan, it will be at least a little bit satisfying to a lot of the Japanese.

There’s three things at work:

1. The Japanese fear of nature. While they may profess a great love of nature, they do actually see natural forces as a source of terror, and something to be fought and mastered. This can be seen in their never-ending efforts to re-inforce the coastline and to contain their rivers, to the point where it’s becoming quite difficult to find a stretch of coastline that isn’t banked up with concrete tetrahedrons, or a river that hasn’t been made to run through a concrete channel.

2. The idea that the Japanese are picked on by everyone and everything. This is attributed to the world being dissatisfied with not being Japanese, and descended from a sun-goddess and being just the most special people in the whole world. The Japanese understand this, and while they don’t hate everyone else, they do pity them.

3. That, allied with item 2., everything that happens to Japan is worse than what happens to everywhere else. Sure, everyone has disasters now and then, but Japan’s are always the biggest and the worst.

captain_spalding said:

On some level, the Japanese will be quietly enjoying this.

Without dismissing the genuine severity of the storm that approaches Japan, it will be at least a little bit satisfying to a lot of the Japanese.

There’s three things at work:

1. The Japanese fear of nature. While they may profess a great love of nature, they do actually see natural forces as a source of terror, and something to be fought and mastered. This can be seen in their never-ending efforts to re-inforce the coastline and to contain their rivers, to the point where it’s becoming quite difficult to find a stretch of coastline that isn’t banked up with concrete tetrahedrons, or a river that hasn’t been made to run through a concrete channel.

2. The idea that the Japanese are picked on by everyone and everything. This is attributed to the world being dissatisfied with not being Japanese, and descended from a sun-goddess and being just the most special people in the whole world. The Japanese understand this, and while they don’t hate everyone else, they do pity them.

3. That, allied with item 2., everything that happens to Japan is worse than what happens to everywhere else. Sure, everyone has disasters now and then, but Japan’s are always the biggest and the worst.

I’m inclined to completely disagree with the above. Every country has a fear of tropical cyclones. I experienced a Japanese take on this at a Wind Engineering conference. A Japanese researcher was giving uman reactions to this. He said that a specific percentage of Japanese enjoy being caught in this life-threatening situation, which shocked western colleagues.

And as for disasters happening there, if any event of similar magnitude to a Japanese earthquake or tsunami hit Australia, shudder. The Newcastle earthquake was trivial compared to even the minor tremors that hit Japan. But they just clean up and keep going as if nothing has happened.

As for this typhoon, it had weakened from category 5 to category 2 by landfall.

So it didn’t even make the news pages. Only 2 dead, 90 injured, record rainfall, 6 million evacuated. Minor stuff.

There was a hurricane on the news last night. But not the Japanese one. One on the island of Dominica.

mollwollfumble said:

captain_spalding said:

On some level, the Japanese will be quietly enjoying this.

Without dismissing the genuine severity of the storm that approaches Japan, it will be at least a little bit satisfying to a lot of the Japanese.

There’s three things at work:

1. The Japanese fear of nature. While they may profess a great love of nature, they do actually see natural forces as a source of terror, and something to be fought and mastered. This can be seen in their never-ending efforts to re-inforce the coastline and to contain their rivers, to the point where it’s becoming quite difficult to find a stretch of coastline that isn’t banked up with concrete tetrahedrons, or a river that hasn’t been made to run through a concrete channel.

2. The idea that the Japanese are picked on by everyone and everything. This is attributed to the world being dissatisfied with not being Japanese, and descended from a sun-goddess and being just the most special people in the whole world. The Japanese understand this, and while they don’t hate everyone else, they do pity them.

3. That, allied with item 2., everything that happens to Japan is worse than what happens to everywhere else. Sure, everyone has disasters now and then, but Japan’s are always the biggest and the worst.

I’m inclined to completely disagree with the above. Every country has a fear of tropical cyclones. I experienced a Japanese take on this at a Wind Engineering conference. A Japanese researcher was giving uman reactions to this. He said that a specific percentage of Japanese enjoy being caught in this life-threatening situation, which shocked western colleagues.

And as for disasters happening there, if any event of similar magnitude to a Japanese earthquake or tsunami hit Australia, shudder. The Newcastle earthquake was trivial compared to even the minor tremors that hit Japan. But they just clean up and keep going as if nothing has happened.

As for this typhoon, it had weakened from category 5 to category 2 by landfall.

So it didn’t even make the news pages. Only 2 dead, 90 injured, record rainfall, 6 million evacuated. Minor stuff.

There was a hurricane on the news last night. But not the Japanese one. One on the island of Dominica.

I put it to you that to enjoy means that you survived.

2 dead in Japan. Didn’t even make the news.

6 dead from Fiona in the Caribbean. Every news channel.

Hmm.

mollwollfumble said:

2 dead in Japan. Didn’t even make the news.

6 dead from Fiona in the Caribbean. Every news channel.

Hmm.

There has been news about the typhoon in Japan on the net tho.

mollwollfumble said:

2 dead in Japan. Didn’t even make the news.

6 dead from Fiona in the Caribbean. Every news channel.

Hmm.

Fiona wasn’t competing with a major war and the death of a monarch for headline space.

party_pants said:

mollwollfumble said:

2 dead in Japan. Didn’t even make the news.

6 dead from Fiona in the Caribbean. Every news channel.

Hmm.

Fiona wasn’t competing with a major war and the death of a monarch for headline space.

imagine if there was a pandemic killing more than any of the above and ongoing in that

mollwollfumble said:

2 dead in Japan. Didn’t even make the news.

6 dead from Fiona in the Caribbean. Every news channel.

Hmm.

You seem to only hear the news that you want to. The ABC told me about the dead in Japan several times yesterday.