Date: 30/09/2022 11:18:50
From: purple
ID: 1938922
Subject: card been cloned?

My son (SW Sydney) has had his account cleaned out. Commbank.
He’s been into branch and they said it happened in Victoria.
Long story short, they say investigation can take 40 days.
I’m waiting for his physical presence to get more info.
1. How does this happen?
2. Is it normal for a bank to take so long to return your money when it’s obvious you were not in another state yesterday?

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Date: 30/09/2022 11:20:19
From: purple
ID: 1938925
Subject: re: card been cloned?

(he’s not with optus)

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Date: 30/09/2022 11:25:27
From: Cymek
ID: 1938932
Subject: re: card been cloned?

It does seem excessive
I wonder how long is would take them to check were and when it was done, minutes I’d assume
Can’t imagine it would be hard for your son to prove were he was at time the transactions took place

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Date: 30/09/2022 11:28:12
From: roughbarked
ID: 1938938
Subject: re: card been cloned?

Cymek said:


It does seem excessive
I wonder how long is would take them to check were and when it was done, minutes I’d assume
Can’t imagine it would be hard for your son to prove were he was at time the transactions took place

If his mobile had location turned on there would be a record of it.

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Date: 30/09/2022 11:29:15
From: Cymek
ID: 1938939
Subject: re: card been cloned?

roughbarked said:


Cymek said:

It does seem excessive
I wonder how long is would take them to check were and when it was done, minutes I’d assume
Can’t imagine it would be hard for your son to prove were he was at time the transactions took place

If his mobile had location turned on there would be a record of it.

Yes or if at work get a signed affidavit and/or letter from work saying you were at work when they occurred.

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Date: 30/09/2022 11:34:20
From: Arts
ID: 1938947
Subject: re: card been cloned?

it happens through either existing knowledge of numbers or scanning of cards

it often can take a month or two since the whole system is slow, but you can also request emergency funds.. (afaik). I know my bank allowed a transaction of funds when mine got stolen (it was only 500$ used but they still offered me the funds in advance (pending) if I needed it)

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Date: 30/09/2022 11:41:50
From: dv
ID: 1938954
Subject: re: card been cloned?

It doesn’t surprise me that it is going to take that long.

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Date: 30/09/2022 15:45:55
From: purple
ID: 1939076
Subject: re: card been cloned?

Been to the bank. we’re the 4th lot she’s seen today.
there’s a skimming thing operating out of Victoria
Be aware everyone

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Date: 30/09/2022 15:57:49
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1939078
Subject: re: card been cloned?

Hey, Mr. Car,

Here’s a pic of a 50 ft steam pinnace:

It’s from one of those ‘boy’s books’ of bygone eras, probably 1920s, this one about the Navy, which i have in my bookselves.

It’s a 50 ft steam pinnace, which has the flag of a full Admiral on the bow.

As you can see, it has a 3 lb ‘quick-firing’ gun on the bow for picket duties.

The boat’s crew are wearing a uniform of black serge jumpers and white duck trousers, no doubt to give that touch of distinction to the crew of the Admiral’s barge. You can get away with stuff like that when you’re an Admiral.

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Date: 30/09/2022 15:58:40
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1939079
Subject: re: card been cloned?

Wrong thread, sorry.

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Date: 30/09/2022 16:06:37
From: Tamb
ID: 1939085
Subject: re: card been cloned?

captain_spalding said:


Hey, Mr. Car,

Here’s a pic of a 50 ft steam pinnace:

It’s from one of those ‘boy’s books’ of bygone eras, probably 1920s, this one about the Navy, which i have in my bookselves.

It’s a 50 ft steam pinnace, which has the flag of a full Admiral on the bow.

As you can see, it has a 3 lb ‘quick-firing’ gun on the bow for picket duties.

The boat’s crew are wearing a uniform of black serge jumpers and white duck trousers, no doubt to give that touch of distinction to the crew of the Admiral’s barge. You can get away with stuff like that when you’re an Admiral.


This is Turbinia.
The Ship responsible for the Royal Navy adopting steam turbines.

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Date: 30/09/2022 17:49:22
From: Dark Orange
ID: 1939111
Subject: re: card been cloned?

purple said:


My son (SW Sydney) has had his account cleaned out. Commbank.
He’s been into branch and they said it happened in Victoria.
Long story short, they say investigation can take 40 days.
I’m waiting for his physical presence to get more info.
1. How does this happen?
2. Is it normal for a bank to take so long to return your money when it’s obvious you were not in another state yesterday?

Q1: Skimmer on an ATM or EFTPOS machine, or physical theft of card.

Q2: Yes. This is why I disable the paywave function on my ATM card, and use a credit card rather than a debit card.

If you find an obviously dodgy random transaction on your debit card statement, the bank will fix it up and give you a false sense of security. If you get cleaned out, it takes about 6 weeks for them to refund the money, and that is only after you jump through all the hoops for them.

I know several people who this has happened to, which is what I base the following advice around:

1. Steer clear of debit cards. If your credit card gets compromised, the bank has to get the money from you and you have protections in place for purchasing. If your debit card gets compromised, you have to try to get the money back from your bank, while also trying to pay rent and buy food.

2. If a debit card is the only option, get one linked to a sub-account that you control how much money it contains.

3. Disable paywave on your ATM card either by settings in the app or with deft scalpel work. This will mean any thief needs to use a PIN if it gets stolen. (Use your debit/credit card for paywave functions)

Sorry he had to learn the hard way that banks are arseholes.

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Date: 30/09/2022 20:08:42
From: purple
ID: 1939148
Subject: re: card been cloned?

Sorry he had to learn the hard way that banks are arseholes.

yeah. its been a frustrating day.
his card was not stolen.

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Date: 30/09/2022 21:33:33
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1939208
Subject: re: card been cloned?

purple said:


My son (SW Sydney) has had his account cleaned out. Commbank.
He’s been into branch and they said it happened in Victoria.
Long story short, they say investigation can take 40 days.
I’m waiting for his physical presence to get more info.
1. How does this happen?
2. Is it normal for a bank to take so long to return your money when it’s obvious you were not in another state yesterday?

This should be the number one news item. Not that silly little Optus thing.

> How does this happen?

Beats me. A number of techniques are familiar, but they only work one card at a time. This looks like wholesale slaughter.

> Disable paywave on your ATM card

Can’t do, and if I had then I wouldn’t have been able to buy groceries today.

I had to use paywave today because the insert card chip scanner failed a full eight times in a row, and the swipe wasn’t working.

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Date: 1/10/2022 14:59:06
From: Dark Orange
ID: 1939510
Subject: re: card been cloned?

mollwollfumble said:

> Disable paywave on your ATM card

Can’t do, and if I had then I wouldn’t have been able to buy groceries today.

I had to use paywave today because the insert card chip scanner failed a full eight times in a row, and the swipe wasn’t working.

That’s when you use a credit card for such things, and an ATM card for getting cash from an ATM, or emergencies by using the swipe or chip insert. If those methods don’t work on your card, then get a new one.

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