3 weeks to winter
Ukraine
Lowest this week
Kiev 3 deg
Kherson 5 deg
The south is still marginally warmer
wookiemeister said:
Ukraine
Lowest this week
Kiev 3 deg
Kherson 5 degThe south is still marginally warmer
The weather will be the major decider on how this thing rolls now I reckon
Ukraine : boggy terrain slows the march eastwards ( taking massive casualties.
Russia: just waiting for the mud to freeze.
Ukrainian attacks of Russian infrastructure should be small and steady ( the surge east has stalled)
Russian attacks : who knows ? The fact they haven’t made any real decisive strikes on Ukrainian infrastructure means this war is going to drag on. There was chatter suggesting they were trying to wrap.this whole thing by Dec 31
Oil prices surge
1 you’d expect winter to create the surge in normal circumstances
2 maybe Russia will turn off the oil to Europe
3 OPEC slashes production ahead of winter
Crude oil prices are set to finish the week on a high note, with WTI rising more than $10 per barrel this week as OPEC+ agreed to slash its production targets for November by 2 million barrels per day.
The November contract WTI prices rose to $92.35 (+4.43%) on Friday afternoon, despite the better-than-expected Friday jobs report that will most certainly translate into even higher inflation, and as such, further Fed rate hiking.
I’m starting to think the attack on the bridge is setting a trend
I’d say it was more than likely further attacks in ukraine AND Russia itself are likely, especially as the offensive east has stalled.
Ukraine blows up almost all bridges connected to Belarus and mined the roads
wookiemeister said:
Ukraine blows up almost all bridges connected to Belarus and mined the roads
Source(s), please?
https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1579142847202488320
Nope, no desperation at all on the Russian side, nope.
Multiple major strikes on Ukrainian infrastructure
I’d say this will continue all the way till the ground freezes
wookiemeister said:
Multiple major strikes on Ukrainian infrastructureI’d say this will continue all the way till the ground freezes
Sources, please?
We’d like to read the reports in full.
wookiemeister said:
Multiple major strikes on Ukrainian infrastructureI’d say this will continue all the way till the ground freezes
If by “Infrastructure”, you mean “Kids playground in the centre of Kyiv, then yes.
Putin has gone full retard.
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:
Multiple major strikes on Ukrainian infrastructureI’d say this will continue all the way till the ground freezes
Sources, please?
We’d like to read the reports in full.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/10/10/explosions-rock-ukraine-capital-kyiv-in-apparent-missile-strikes
wookiemeister said:
Multiple major strikes on Ukrainian infrastructureI’d say this will continue all the way till the ground freezes
…and a pedestrian footbridge.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1579368581862940672
Dark Orange said:
wookiemeister said:
Multiple major strikes on Ukrainian infrastructureI’d say this will continue all the way till the ground freezes
If by “Infrastructure”, you mean “Kids playground in the centre of Kyiv, then yes.
Putin has gone full retard.
Russian general Surovikin: ‘’”‘Kids playground in centre of Kyiv’. Ho,ho. You think we born yesterday? We know military training facility when we see one. Painting in bright colours and dressing recruits in kids clothes will not fool wily Russian military intelligence!’‘
Dark Orange said:
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:
Multiple major strikes on Ukrainian infrastructureI’d say this will continue all the way till the ground freezes
Sources, please?
We’d like to read the reports in full.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/10/10/explosions-rock-ukraine-capital-kyiv-in-apparent-missile-strikes
Thank ‘ee, zur.
Dark Orange said:
wookiemeister said:
Multiple major strikes on Ukrainian infrastructureI’d say this will continue all the way till the ground freezes
…and a
pedestrian footbridgesupply line.https://twitter.com/i/status/1579368581862940672
ChrispenEvan said:
Dark Orange said:
wookiemeister said:
Multiple major strikes on Ukrainian infrastructureI’d say this will continue all the way till the ground freezes
…and a
pedestrian footbridgesupply line.https://twitter.com/i/status/1579368581862940672
The thing is, they apparently used a $13M KH-101 cruise missile to do it.
Lviv powerstation knocked out
wookiemeister said:
Lviv powerstation knocked out
Was it next door to a primary school?
So that’s the play now (?)
Knock out power and water other infrastructure continually till the ground freezes mid to late nov
The tank columns are supported by attack helicopters, other armoured vehicles, mobile infantry
They strike west to cut off Odessa and go all the way to the border.
The barren frozen wasteland of ukraine becomes a vast live fire zone populated with western special forces that last a few weeks.
Europe: no gas, no oil. Ever
Dark Orange said:
wookiemeister said:
Lviv powerstation knocked out
Was it next door to a primary school?
We’ve been lied to so many times I tend to dismiss the claims
What we lack is clarity, what’s real what’s not. It makes people angry.
wookiemeister said:
Dark Orange said:
wookiemeister said:
Lviv powerstation knocked out
Was it next door to a primary school?
I’m sorryWe’ve been lied to so many times I tend to dismiss the claims
What we lack is clarity, what’s real what’s not. It makes people angry.
It’s a good idea to have an open mind, but just make sure it’s not so open that your brains fall out.
More key infrastructure destroyed in Kyiv:
Belarusian leader, Alexander Lukashenko, said Belarus and Russia would deploy a joint military task force on the country’s western borders in response to what he called an aggravation of tension, the state-run Belta news agency reported.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2022/oct/10/russia-ukraine-war-live-news-putin-russian-security-council-zaporizhzhia-nuclear-power-plant-hit-again-latest-updates
the Russians are just attacking anything and hoping they hit something critical in the process.
Dark Orange said:
wookiemeister said:
Dark Orange said:Was it next door to a primary school?
I’m sorryWe’ve been lied to so many times I tend to dismiss the claims
What we lack is clarity, what’s real what’s not. It makes people angry.
It’s a good idea to have an open mind, but just make sure it’s not so open that your brains fall out.
More key infrastructure destroyed in Kyiv:
Definitely not targetting civilians.
Another two thetmal powerstations hit
Guess scomos 30 million dollars of coal won’t have anywhere to be used.
Pjotr Sauer The Guardian
The wave of strikes targeting cities across Ukraine comes two days after Russia appointed a notorious general as its first overall commander for the war in Ukraine.
Gen Sergei Surovikin is a veteran commander and air force general who led the Russian military campaign in Syria in 2017, where he was accused of overseeing a brutal bombardment that destroyed much of the city of Aleppo in Syria.
In the army, his colleagues reportedly gave Surovikin the nickname “General Armageddon” for his hardline and unorthodox approach to waging war.
“I am not surprised to see what is happening this morning in Kyiv. Surovikin is absolutely ruthless with little disregard for human life,” a former defence ministry official who has worked with him told the Guardian.
“I am afraid his hands will be completely covered in Ukrainian blood.”
wookiemeister said:
Pjotr Sauer The Guardian
The wave of strikes targeting cities across Ukraine comes two days after Russia appointed a notorious general as its first overall commander for the war in Ukraine.Gen Sergei Surovikin is a veteran commander and air force general who led the Russian military campaign in Syria in 2017, where he was accused of overseeing a brutal bombardment that destroyed much of the city of Aleppo in Syria.
In the army, his colleagues reportedly gave Surovikin the nickname “General Armageddon” for his hardline and unorthodox approach to waging war.
“I am not surprised to see what is happening this morning in Kyiv. Surovikin is absolutely ruthless with little disregard for human life,” a former defence ministry official who has worked with him told the Guardian.
“I am afraid his hands will be completely covered in Ukrainian blood.”
And not a little Russian blood, too.
It is reported that the Burshtynska thermal power plant in the Ivano-Frankivsk region was hit. The station provides not only the western cities of Ukraine with electricity, but also supplies electricity to Hungary, Slovakia and Romania.
General impressions
Russia has been gradually clearing out ammunition stocks ( nowhere left to keep stockpiling).
Israel does this too. A few weeks before major ammunition purchase from the US Israel will fight some limited duration war to clear out all the old stock of shells
The attack on the bridge brought forward a plan they had up their sleeve. Given the ground is starting to get wet, will we some limited offensive to put pressure on uko forces along the front ?
Russia don’t have the ability to re-arm and re-equip while sanctions are in place. Any further slip in standards towards targeting civilians is going to result in more and harsher sanctions. Russia are in a vicious circle of their won making. Public opinion is with Ukraine, people want Russia to lose. There will be no easy or quick lifting of sanctions. Public opinion will demand harsher and harsher action against Russia. They are doomed.
party_pants said:
Russia don’t have the ability to re-arm and re-equip while sanctions are in place. Any further slip in standards towards targeting civilians is going to result in more and harsher sanctions. Russia are in a vicious circle of their won making. Public opinion is with Ukraine, people want Russia to lose. There will be no easy or quick lifting of sanctions. Public opinion will demand harsher and harsher action against Russia. They are doomed.
They’ll be fine
It is interesting that Russia thinks sending cruise missiles into playgrounds and city intersections makes them look tough and strong when the opposite is in fact true.
As (I think) the Cap’n pointed out earlier – that is many tens of millions of dollars in hardware wasted on terrorism when they would be far better used taking out actual military targets.
And only 2 days after Sergei Surovikin gets put in charge, so I guess this is the new face of the second most powerful military in Ukraine.
https://mobile.twitter.com/DarthPutinKGB/status/1579365914692452359
@DarthPutinKGB
But cos US invaded Iraq, which was wrong, it means we can’t be wrong about anything. All my trolls are morons.
Ongoing strikes on power networks
750kv and 330kv transformers hit
Hitting the much larger transformers makes sense
There’s less of them and they are essential to supply, hitting smaller transformers is pointless.
This means the end of the train network, from now on all tanks, self propelled artillery, artillery pieces get to drive all the way to the battlefront in thick mud as the season turns.
Presumably ukraine will push forward its plans for strikes on Russian infrastructure eg the Crimean Bridge.
Kyiv, very, very recently:
https://i.imgur.com/vTCKOEZ.mp4
Approximate translation: “My hands are trembling right now cuz I just saw flying rocket. I heard it BOOOOOOOM, Mama!”
Now, THIS is terrorism.
On an utterly unrelated and trivial tangent:
those Ukraine girls really knock me out.
captain_spalding said:
On an utterly unrelated and trivial tangent:those Ukraine girls really knock me out.
And Putin is trying to get them back in the USSR.
captain_spalding said:
Kyiv, very, very recently:https://i.imgur.com/vTCKOEZ.mp4
Approximate translation: “My hands are trembling right now cuz I just saw flying rocket. I heard it BOOOOOOOM, Mama!”
Now, THIS is terrorism.
Awful shit.
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
Kyiv, very, very recently:https://i.imgur.com/vTCKOEZ.mp4
Approximate translation: “My hands are trembling right now cuz I just saw flying rocket. I heard it BOOOOOOOM, Mama!”
Now, THIS is terrorism.
Awful shit.
I love the fact that Zelensky’s response was to walk into the square in front of his office and film an address to the nation.
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
Kyiv, very, very recently:https://i.imgur.com/vTCKOEZ.mp4
Approximate translation: “My hands are trembling right now cuz I just saw flying rocket. I heard it BOOOOOOOM, Mama!”
Now, THIS is terrorism.
Awful shit.
I agree, Russia unable to win on the battlefield is terrorising Ukraine citizens.
It is terrorism.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
Kyiv, very, very recently:https://i.imgur.com/vTCKOEZ.mp4
Approximate translation: “My hands are trembling right now cuz I just saw flying rocket. I heard it BOOOOOOOM, Mama!”
Now, THIS is terrorism.
Awful shit.
I agree, Russia unable to win on the battlefield is terrorising Ukraine citizens.
It is terrorism.
Which is not going to help them when the war is over, whichever way it goes.
Dark Orange said:
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
Kyiv, very, very recently:
https://i.imgur.com/vTCKOEZ.mp4
Approximate translation: “My hands are trembling right now cuz I just saw flying rocket. I heard it BOOOOOOOM, Mama!”
Now, THIS is terrorism.
Awful shit.
I love the fact that Zelensky’s response was to walk into the square in front of his office and film an address to the nation.
all right but if they’re going to cover their lower face like that then why don’t they just fkn wear a mask
Maybe in the future we will just have twitter wars where various mean comments are complained about in the UN and some resolution is put forward by the UN that officially complains about those tweets.
Each country would be allowed various arsenals of rude and humiliating comments. Stockpiles of mean tweets could built up to conduct future offensives on social media.
wookiemeister said:
Maybe in the future we will just have twitter wars where various mean comments are complained about in the UN and some resolution is put forward by the UN that officially complains about those tweets.
Greta can be moderator after Musk buys Twitter.
Russia, China and America would be allowed anything up to perhaps 6000 memes each.
wookiemeister said:
Each country would be allowed various arsenals of rude and humiliating comments. Stockpiles of mean tweets could built up to conduct future offensives on social media.
The USA owns the web.
So already has a monopoly on rude and humiliating comments.
Oksana Leontieva, a doctor in children’s bone marrow transplant department, took her 5 year old son to kindergarten yesterday and was driving to work when Russian rockets hit.
Her son is now an orphan – his dad died six months ago, his mom yesterday.
Dark Orange said:
Oksana Leontieva, a doctor in children’s bone marrow transplant department, took her 5 year old son to kindergarten yesterday and was driving to work when Russian rockets hit.Her son is now an orphan – his dad died six months ago, his mom yesterday.
War is horrible. Absolutely horrible.
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waves to Mr V. :)
Let me know when you’ve had dinner and I’ll give you a call.
Woodie said:
waves to Mr V. :)Let me know when you’ve had dinner and I’ll give you a call.
ahhh a distant voice calls.
Michael V said:
Dark Orange said:
Oksana Leontieva, a doctor in children’s bone marrow transplant department, took her 5 year old son to kindergarten yesterday and was driving to work when Russian rockets hit.Her son is now an orphan – his dad died six months ago, his mom yesterday.
War is horrible. Absolutely horrible.
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Yeah, there’s always “collateral damage” to war, and most modern warfare involves at least one side trying to minimise civilian casualties. But deliberately bombing civilians in areas of no strategic value with the sole aim of spreading terror into the population isn’t warfare, it is terrorism. There is no way it can be argued otherwise.
I won’t let that stop Wookie from trying though. In fact, I encourage him to explain how a $13M cruise missile landed right in the middle of a busy Kyiv intersection and another in a park containing a children’s playground.
Then after you have explained that it missed its intended target, explain why Putin claimed the missiles all hit their intended targets. Was Oksana the intended target?
Dark Orange said:
Michael V said:
Dark Orange said:
Oksana Leontieva, a doctor in children’s bone marrow transplant department, took her 5 year old son to kindergarten yesterday and was driving to work when Russian rockets hit.Her son is now an orphan – his dad died six months ago, his mom yesterday.
War is horrible. Absolutely horrible.
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Yeah, there’s always “collateral damage” to war, and most modern warfare involves at least one side trying to minimise civilian casualties. But deliberately bombing civilians in areas of no strategic value with the sole aim of spreading terror into the population isn’t warfare, it is terrorism. There is no way it can be argued otherwise.
I won’t let that stop Wookie from trying though. In fact, I encourage him to explain how a $13M cruise missile landed right in the middle of a busy Kyiv intersection and another in a park containing a children’s playground.
Then after you have explained that it missed its intended target, explain why Putin claimed the missiles all hit their intended targets. Was Oksana the intended target?
Woodie said:
waves to Mr V. :)Let me know when you’ve had dinner and I’ll give you a call.
Do you want us to call you now? Dinner won’t be for an hour or more…
…and today brings several hours of Russian missiles and drones targeting civilians and electricity infrastructure in major Ukrainian cities far from the front lines.
Just because they are jealous of Ukrainians having a normal life.
Dark Orange said:
…and today brings several hours of Russian missiles and drones targeting civilians and electricity infrastructure in major Ukrainian cities far from the front lines.
Just because they are jealous of Ukrainians having a normal life.
Actually, I think it is probably more for domestic propaganda – “See, we are finally doing things, we are so strong and powerful!”
Communication problems with starlink , active disruption by Russian forces
Ground in ukraine getting wetter by the day
Russian forces back on the march westwards
Ongoing missile strikes on infrastructure
Weapons discovered in ships using Odessa to transfer grain ( against the original agreement
I doubt if the russians see any value in making any more agreements with the west / ukraine, they continue to break any brokered deal.
AZOV regiment uploads footage of naked, bound and dead civillians rolling down an embankment into a pit. AZOV has killed these people ( and they like it)
Australia in the process of sending troops to ukraine to help train AZOV battalion and uko army.
wookiemeister said:
AZOV regiment uploads footage of naked, bound and dead civillians rolling down an embankment into a pit. AZOV has killed these people ( and they like it)Australia in the process of sending troops to ukraine to help train AZOV battalion and uko army.
Not much change in the weather
Temp overnight across ukraine 4 – 7 deg
Rain sporadic across the country.
wookiemeister said:
wookiemeister said:
AZOV regiment uploads footage of naked, bound and dead civillians rolling down an embankment into a pit. AZOV has killed these people ( and they like it)Australia in the process of sending troops to ukraine to help train AZOV battalion and uko army.
The other recent upload by uko forces was the boiled head of a Russian soldier ( though most likely it was the head of civillian killed by uko forces).
Where’s the URL?
Witty Rejoinder said:
wookiemeister said:
wookiemeister said:
AZOV regiment uploads footage of naked, bound and dead civillians rolling down an embankment into a pit. AZOV has killed these people ( and they like it)Australia in the process of sending troops to ukraine to help train AZOV battalion and uko army.
The other recent upload by uko forces was the boiled head of a Russian soldier ( though most likely it was the head of civillian killed by uko forces).
Where’s the URL?
He doesn’t need one, he’s a troll.
www.straightoutofwookiesarse.com.ru
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
wookiemeister said:The other recent upload by uko forces was the boiled head of a Russian soldier ( though most likely it was the head of civillian killed by uko forces).
Where’s the URL?
He doesn’t need one, he’s a troll.
That much is true.
https://mobile.twitter.com/ennolenze/status/1579808492646727681
We wanted to put a shot down Russian tank in front of the Russian embassy in berlin. City said: no. Our lawyer @P_O_Heinemann sued them. Today we won. Great news, but still a lot of work todo.
Dark Orange said:
https://mobile.twitter.com/ennolenze/status/1579808492646727681We wanted to put a shot down Russian tank in front of the Russian embassy in berlin. City said: no. Our lawyer @P_O_Heinemann sued them. Today we won. Great news, but still a lot of work todo.
Heh.
Dark Orange said:
https://mobile.twitter.com/ennolenze/status/1579808492646727681We wanted to put a shot down Russian tank in front of the Russian embassy in berlin. City said: no. Our lawyer @P_O_Heinemann sued them. Today we won. Great news, but still a lot of work todo.
Are tanks obsolete or just the ones used in Ukraine, they seem to be destroyed relatively easily.
The Russians aren’t using their latest model though are they ?, I wonder how they’d fair.
Bubblecar said:
Dark Orange said:
https://mobile.twitter.com/ennolenze/status/1579808492646727681We wanted to put a shot down Russian tank in front of the Russian embassy in berlin. City said: no. Our lawyer @P_O_Heinemann sued them. Today we won. Great news, but still a lot of work todo.
Heh.
A pile of Russian corpses would probably be more effective, but somewhat over the top.
Cymek said:
Dark Orange said:
https://mobile.twitter.com/ennolenze/status/1579808492646727681We wanted to put a shot down Russian tank in front of the Russian embassy in berlin. City said: no. Our lawyer @P_O_Heinemann sued them. Today we won. Great news, but still a lot of work todo.
Are tanks obsolete or just the ones used in Ukraine, they seem to be destroyed relatively easily.
The Russians aren’t using their latest model though are they ?, I wonder how they’d fair.
Russian tanks are made on the cheap.
Their ammunition stowage means it tends to blow up when they’re hit.
Bubblecar said:
Dark Orange said:
https://mobile.twitter.com/ennolenze/status/1579808492646727681We wanted to put a shot down Russian tank in front of the Russian embassy in berlin. City said: no. Our lawyer @P_O_Heinemann sued them. Today we won. Great news, but still a lot of work todo.
Heh.
Etsy and I assume other websites are selling various items made from Russian tank armour
They say made in Russia recycled in Ukraine
captain_spalding said:
Bubblecar said:
Dark Orange said:
https://mobile.twitter.com/ennolenze/status/1579808492646727681We wanted to put a shot down Russian tank in front of the Russian embassy in berlin. City said: no. Our lawyer @P_O_Heinemann sued them. Today we won. Great news, but still a lot of work todo.
Heh.
A pile of Russian corpses would probably be more effective, but somewhat over the top.
Perhaps a few hundred Cessna 172’s and Mathius Rust clones.
captain_spalding said:
Cymek said:
Dark Orange said:
https://mobile.twitter.com/ennolenze/status/1579808492646727681We wanted to put a shot down Russian tank in front of the Russian embassy in berlin. City said: no. Our lawyer @P_O_Heinemann sued them. Today we won. Great news, but still a lot of work todo.
Are tanks obsolete or just the ones used in Ukraine, they seem to be destroyed relatively easily.
The Russians aren’t using their latest model though are they ?, I wonder how they’d fair.Russian tanks are made on the cheap.
Their ammunition stowage means it tends to blow up when they’re hit.
Not fun if you are inside one.
Cymek said:
captain_spalding said:
Cymek said:Are tanks obsolete or just the ones used in Ukraine, they seem to be destroyed relatively easily.
The Russians aren’t using their latest model though are they ?, I wonder how they’d fair.Russian tanks are made on the cheap.
Their ammunition stowage means it tends to blow up when they’re hit.
Not fun if you are inside one.
You’d probably not get time to even feel the fear.
Cymek said:
Dark Orange said:
https://mobile.twitter.com/ennolenze/status/1579808492646727681We wanted to put a shot down Russian tank in front of the Russian embassy in berlin. City said: no. Our lawyer @P_O_Heinemann sued them. Today we won. Great news, but still a lot of work todo.
Are tanks obsolete or just the ones used in Ukraine, they seem to be destroyed relatively easily.
The Russians aren’t using their latest model though are they ?, I wonder how they’d fair.
They were using their latest and best, but there are not many of them around any more.
It would appear that tanks are quite suitable against a technologically inferior opponent, but not in fair fight with modern anti-tank hardware.
Dark Orange said:
Cymek said:
Dark Orange said:
https://mobile.twitter.com/ennolenze/status/1579808492646727681We wanted to put a shot down Russian tank in front of the Russian embassy in berlin. City said: no. Our lawyer @P_O_Heinemann sued them. Today we won. Great news, but still a lot of work todo.
Are tanks obsolete or just the ones used in Ukraine, they seem to be destroyed relatively easily.
The Russians aren’t using their latest model though are they ?, I wonder how they’d fair.They were using their latest and best, but there are not many of them around any more.
It would appear that tanks are quite suitable against a technologically inferior opponent, but not in fair fight with modern anti-tank hardware.
there is a common belief that man-driven tank warfare is most likely out-moded in a world of highly-effective anti-tank weaponry because one of the biggest problems with tanks is the size they need to be because people sit in side them. Next gen tanks are most likely going to be smaller and autonomously operated.
there is a similar belief that highly effective, hand-held, surface-to-air missile systems are making strike platforms like the A-10 ineffective as well..
funny what a highly manoeuvrable, light, easy to use missile system can do …
captain_spalding said:
Cymek said:
Dark Orange said:
https://mobile.twitter.com/ennolenze/status/1579808492646727681We wanted to put a shot down Russian tank in front of the Russian embassy in berlin. City said: no. Our lawyer @P_O_Heinemann sued them. Today we won. Great news, but still a lot of work todo.
Are tanks obsolete or just the ones used in Ukraine, they seem to be destroyed relatively easily.
The Russians aren’t using their latest model though are they ?, I wonder how they’d fair.Russian tanks are made on the cheap.
Their ammunition stowage means it tends to blow up when they’re hit.
diddly-squat said:
Dark Orange said:
Cymek said:Are tanks obsolete or just the ones used in Ukraine, they seem to be destroyed relatively easily.
The Russians aren’t using their latest model though are they ?, I wonder how they’d fair.They were using their latest and best, but there are not many of them around any more.
It would appear that tanks are quite suitable against a technologically inferior opponent, but not in fair fight with modern anti-tank hardware.
there is a common belief that man-driven tank warfare is most likely out-moded in a world of highly-effective anti-tank weaponry because one of the biggest problems with tanks is the size they need to be because people sit in side them. Next gen tanks are most likely going to be smaller and autonomously operated.
there is a similar belief that highly effective, hand-held, surface-to-air missile systems are making strike platforms like the A-10 ineffective as well..
funny what a highly manoeuvrable, light, easy to use missile system can do …
One also wonders if fleets of large ships will also become obsolete.
Could their defences be overwhelmed if an enemy fired hundreds if not thousands of missile at them all at once from multiple direction
Tamb said:
captain_spalding said:
Cymek said:Are tanks obsolete or just the ones used in Ukraine, they seem to be destroyed relatively easily.
The Russians aren’t using their latest model though are they ?, I wonder how they’d fair.Russian tanks are made on the cheap.
Their ammunition stowage means it tends to blow up when they’re hit.
Reminiscent of the Tommy cooker.
It appears that these tanks are now redundant. I sincerely doubt that Russia will be relying on them ever again.
Cymek said:
diddly-squat said:
Dark Orange said:They were using their latest and best, but there are not many of them around any more.
It would appear that tanks are quite suitable against a technologically inferior opponent, but not in fair fight with modern anti-tank hardware.
there is a common belief that man-driven tank warfare is most likely out-moded in a world of highly-effective anti-tank weaponry because one of the biggest problems with tanks is the size they need to be because people sit in side them. Next gen tanks are most likely going to be smaller and autonomously operated.
there is a similar belief that highly effective, hand-held, surface-to-air missile systems are making strike platforms like the A-10 ineffective as well..
funny what a highly manoeuvrable, light, easy to use missile system can do …
One also wonders if fleets of large ships will also become obsolete.
Could their defences be overwhelmed if an enemy fired hundreds if not thousands of missile at them all at once from multiple direction
Battleships and heavy cruisers are long gone to history. Smaller ships now fill those roles.
roughbarked said:
Tamb said:
captain_spalding said:Russian tanks are made on the cheap.
Their ammunition stowage means it tends to blow up when they’re hit.
Reminiscent of the Tommy cooker.It appears that these tanks are now redundant. I sincerely doubt that Russia will be relying on them ever again.
OTOH the Ukrainians have been using much the same tanks more successfully in their recent counterattacks.
A lot depends on the mixture of forces and tactics employed, amongst loads of other variables.
Cymek said:
The Russians aren’t using their latest model though are they ?, I wonder how they’d fair.
Methinks Mr Meister would be your ex spurt here Mr Mek. Something to do with squishy mud. You know, the sorta mud that sticks like shit to a blanket. But apparently the Ruskies hadn’t thought about shit sticking to blankets, nor mud sticking to tanks either. Something like that, hey what but.
I’ll let Mr Meister take over from here.
hands laser pointer, lapel microphone and Powerpoint presentation over to Mr Meister
roughbarked said:
Cymek said:
diddly-squat said:there is a common belief that man-driven tank warfare is most likely out-moded in a world of highly-effective anti-tank weaponry because one of the biggest problems with tanks is the size they need to be because people sit in side them. Next gen tanks are most likely going to be smaller and autonomously operated.
there is a similar belief that highly effective, hand-held, surface-to-air missile systems are making strike platforms like the A-10 ineffective as well..
funny what a highly manoeuvrable, light, easy to use missile system can do …
One also wonders if fleets of large ships will also become obsolete.
Could their defences be overwhelmed if an enemy fired hundreds if not thousands of missile at them all at once from multiple direction
Battleships and heavy cruisers are long gone to history. Smaller ships now fill those roles.
Yes I was thinking aircraft carriers and its support ships.
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:
Cymek said:One also wonders if fleets of large ships will also become obsolete.
Could their defences be overwhelmed if an enemy fired hundreds if not thousands of missile at them all at once from multiple direction
Battleships and heavy cruisers are long gone to history. Smaller ships now fill those roles.
Yes I was thinking aircraft carriers and its support ships.
Aircraft carriers and submarines.
roughbarked said:
Cymek said:
diddly-squat said:there is a common belief that man-driven tank warfare is most likely out-moded in a world of highly-effective anti-tank weaponry because one of the biggest problems with tanks is the size they need to be because people sit in side them. Next gen tanks are most likely going to be smaller and autonomously operated.
there is a similar belief that highly effective, hand-held, surface-to-air missile systems are making strike platforms like the A-10 ineffective as well..
funny what a highly manoeuvrable, light, easy to use missile system can do …
One also wonders if fleets of large ships will also become obsolete.
Could their defences be overwhelmed if an enemy fired hundreds if not thousands of missile at them all at once from multiple direction
Battleships and heavy cruisers are long gone to history. Smaller ships now fill those roles.
….. and subereens. Don’t forget our subereens. Our brand spanking new state of the art, highly specialised subereens. Coming to a century new you.
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:
Cymek said:One also wonders if fleets of large ships will also become obsolete.
Could their defences be overwhelmed if an enemy fired hundreds if not thousands of missile at them all at once from multiple direction
Battleships and heavy cruisers are long gone to history. Smaller ships now fill those roles.
Yes I was thinking aircraft carriers and its support ships.
That in mind is much of current military technology just upgraded versions used back in WWII, its big and flashy but out manoeuvred by drones of all types.
Woodie said:
roughbarked said:
Cymek said:One also wonders if fleets of large ships will also become obsolete.
Could their defences be overwhelmed if an enemy fired hundreds if not thousands of missile at them all at once from multiple direction
Battleships and heavy cruisers are long gone to history. Smaller ships now fill those roles.
….. and subereens. Don’t forget our subereens. Our brand spanking new state of the art, highly specialised subereens. Coming to a century new you.
near?
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:
Cymek said:One also wonders if fleets of large ships will also become obsolete.
Could their defences be overwhelmed if an enemy fired hundreds if not thousands of missile at them all at once from multiple direction
Battleships and heavy cruisers are long gone to history. Smaller ships now fill those roles.
Yes I was thinking aircraft carriers and its support ships.
There’ll still be a need for aircraft carriers for many years to come. The long-range bombers can refuel in the air but they often need support in the form of fighters/interceptors closer to the target(s). Those smaller aircraft either need a land base or a mobile ocean runway to deploy from.
And of course the carriers need extensive support themselves, right from at least one nuclear sub hovering around to multiple other navy ships.
Woodie said:
roughbarked said:
Cymek said:One also wonders if fleets of large ships will also become obsolete.
Could their defences be overwhelmed if an enemy fired hundreds if not thousands of missile at them all at once from multiple direction
Battleships and heavy cruisers are long gone to history. Smaller ships now fill those roles.
….. and subereens. Don’t forget our subereens. Our brand spanking new state of the art, highly specialised subereens. Coming to a century new you.
Submarines yes for example, taken out by smaller swarm submarines drones, cope with a few but what if they attack you in the hundreds, kamikaze style
roughbarked said:
Woodie said:
roughbarked said:Battleships and heavy cruisers are long gone to history. Smaller ships now fill those roles.
….. and subereens. Don’t forget our subereens. Our brand spanking new state of the art, highly specialised subereens. Coming to a century new you.
near?
whatever……….😁
Russian tanks are designed to fight wars in places where they expect to use them , they are designed to fit into Russian strategy ( whatever that is ).
I was watching something on the T72. It’s actually VERY low compared to many tanks.
Interesting how there’s a splash guard infront of the drivers hatch/ viewer.
Russian tanks seem to favour auto loaders, yank tanks favour manual loading
NATO forces have picked up T72s to inspect from the collapse of the soviet union.
Cymek said:
Woodie said:
roughbarked said:Battleships and heavy cruisers are long gone to history. Smaller ships now fill those roles.
….. and subereens. Don’t forget our subereens. Our brand spanking new state of the art, highly specialised subereens. Coming to a century new you.
Submarines yes for example, taken out by smaller swarm submarines drones, cope with a few but what if they attack you in the hundreds, kamikaze style
Sharks with friggin laser beams?
Spiny Norman said:
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:Battleships and heavy cruisers are long gone to history. Smaller ships now fill those roles.
Yes I was thinking aircraft carriers and its support ships.
There’ll still be a need for aircraft carriers for many years to come. The long-range bombers can refuel in the air but they often need support in the form of fighters/interceptors closer to the target(s). Those smaller aircraft either need a land base or a mobile ocean runway to deploy from.
And of course the carriers need extensive support themselves, right from at least one nuclear sub hovering around to multiple other navy ships.
wookiemeister said:
Russian tanks are designed to fight wars in places where they expect to use them , they are designed to fit into Russian strategy ( whatever that is ).I was watching something on the T72. It’s actually VERY low compared to many tanks.
Interesting how there’s a splash guard infront of the drivers hatch/ viewer.
Russian tanks seem to favour auto loaders, yank tanks favour manual loading
NATO forces have picked up T72s to inspect from the collapse of the soviet union.
The auto loader is their weak point. So simple to pilot a drone over and drop a grenade down the open hatch. Which is the weakest defence and the most explosive.
Spiny Norman said:
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:Battleships and heavy cruisers are long gone to history. Smaller ships now fill those roles.
Yes I was thinking aircraft carriers and its support ships.
There’ll still be a need for aircraft carriers for many years to come. The long-range bombers can refuel in the air but they often need support in the form of fighters/interceptors closer to the target(s). Those smaller aircraft either need a land base or a mobile ocean runway to deploy from.
And of course the carriers need extensive support themselves, right from at least one nuclear sub hovering around to multiple other navy ships.
My thought was from a novel I read were in the future China had invaded mainland USA.
The USA created missile ships that fired hundreds of missile at once against Chinese fleets and they couldn’t take them all out and were obliterated.
Could that actually work especially if the missiles were extremely fast, manoverable and had counter measures
wookiemeister said:
Spiny Norman said:
Cymek said:Yes I was thinking aircraft carriers and its support ships.
There’ll still be a need for aircraft carriers for many years to come. The long-range bombers can refuel in the air but they often need support in the form of fighters/interceptors closer to the target(s). Those smaller aircraft either need a land base or a mobile ocean runway to deploy from.
And of course the carriers need extensive support themselves, right from at least one nuclear sub hovering around to multiple other navy ships.
The chinese and Russians have worked to build carrier killing missiles.
I note the Ukranians can still shoot down at least half of every dozen missiles. Shouldn’t be too long before they get something like Israel’s dome.
wookiemeister said:
Spiny Norman said:
Cymek said:Yes I was thinking aircraft carriers and its support ships.
There’ll still be a need for aircraft carriers for many years to come. The long-range bombers can refuel in the air but they often need support in the form of fighters/interceptors closer to the target(s). Those smaller aircraft either need a land base or a mobile ocean runway to deploy from.
And of course the carriers need extensive support themselves, right from at least one nuclear sub hovering around to multiple other navy ships.
The chinese and Russians have worked to build carrier killing missiles.
A lot of countries have been doing that for many decades. For example in the Falkland’s war the poms raced around the world quickly buying as many Exocet anti-ship missiles as they could so the Argentinians couldn’t get more of them. In their day they were a pretty good weapon.
roughbarked said:
So simple to pilot a drone over and drop a grenade down the open hatch.
Tank go boom boom bye byes.
wookiemeister said:
Spiny Norman said:
Cymek said:Yes I was thinking aircraft carriers and its support ships.
There’ll still be a need for aircraft carriers for many years to come. The long-range bombers can refuel in the air but they often need support in the form of fighters/interceptors closer to the target(s). Those smaller aircraft either need a land base or a mobile ocean runway to deploy from.
And of course the carriers need extensive support themselves, right from at least one nuclear sub hovering around to multiple other navy ships.
The chinese and Russians have worked to build carrier killing missiles.
Yes I read that, hypersonic missiles
Cymek said:
Spiny Norman said:
Cymek said:Yes I was thinking aircraft carriers and its support ships.
There’ll still be a need for aircraft carriers for many years to come. The long-range bombers can refuel in the air but they often need support in the form of fighters/interceptors closer to the target(s). Those smaller aircraft either need a land base or a mobile ocean runway to deploy from.
And of course the carriers need extensive support themselves, right from at least one nuclear sub hovering around to multiple other navy ships.
My thought was from a novel I read were in the future China had invaded mainland USA.
The USA created missile ships that fired hundreds of missile at once against Chinese fleets and they couldn’t take them all out and were obliterated.
Could that actually work especially if the missiles were extremely fast, manoverable and had counter measures
Quite likely. The Phalanx CIWS is very good at pinging inbound missiles but I imagine with a dozen heading inbound at high speed it’d be overwhelmed.
Australia mulls sending troops to ukraine.
There will be NO plebiscite or any other democratic measure to see if it’s OK to get involved in this war – just like last time and the time after that.
Maybe they will allow the odd letter to the editor ?
You’d have to assume these troops will be targets ? Most likely Australia has had troops in Ukraine since the start of the conflict.
Cost of ukraine to Australia officially is around 500 million
Unofficially it’s most likely billion
Expect more taxes
Spiny Norman said:
A lot of countries have been doing that for many decades. For example in the Falkland’s war the poms raced around the world quickly buying as many Exocet anti-ship missiles as they could so the Argentinians couldn’t get more of them. In their day they were a pretty good weapon.
Yes. There were two great things came out of the Falklands war. Maggie Thatcher and the Exocet Missile. And in case you can’t tell the difference, Maggie Thatcher is the one with the handbag.
Spiny Norman said:
Cymek said:
Spiny Norman said:There’ll still be a need for aircraft carriers for many years to come. The long-range bombers can refuel in the air but they often need support in the form of fighters/interceptors closer to the target(s). Those smaller aircraft either need a land base or a mobile ocean runway to deploy from.
And of course the carriers need extensive support themselves, right from at least one nuclear sub hovering around to multiple other navy ships.
My thought was from a novel I read were in the future China had invaded mainland USA.
The USA created missile ships that fired hundreds of missile at once against Chinese fleets and they couldn’t take them all out and were obliterated.
Could that actually work especially if the missiles were extremely fast, manoverable and had counter measures
Quite likely. The Phalanx CIWS is very good at pinging inbound missiles but I imagine with a dozen heading inbound at high speed it’d be overwhelmed.
By the time its got a fix on the missile( let’s say it does it all in 1 second) it’s already 3 – 6 km down the road in a different position
wookiemeister said:
Australia mulls sending troops to ukraine.There will be NO plebiscite or any other democratic measure to see if it’s OK to get involved in this war – just like last time and the time after that.
Maybe they will allow the odd letter to the editor ?
You’d have to assume these troops will be targets ? Most likely Australia has had troops in Ukraine since the start of the conflict.
Cost of ukraine to Australia officially is around 500 million
Unofficially it’s most likely billion
Expect more taxes
We are NOT sending troops to Ukraine. We are considering sending troops to train Ukranians but I doubt that this will actually occur in Ukraine.
wookiemeister said:
Spiny Norman said:
Cymek said:My thought was from a novel I read were in the future China had invaded mainland USA.
The USA created missile ships that fired hundreds of missile at once against Chinese fleets and they couldn’t take them all out and were obliterated.
Could that actually work especially if the missiles were extremely fast, manoverable and had counter measures
Quite likely. The Phalanx CIWS is very good at pinging inbound missiles but I imagine with a dozen heading inbound at high speed it’d be overwhelmed.
The hypersonic missiles are moving too quick for the detection systems to react effectivelyBy the time its got a fix on the missile( let’s say it does it all in 1 second) it’s already 3 – 6 km down the road in a different position
Quite possibly.
Also the Russian Shkval high-speed torpedo, though they have to get uncomfortably close to use it.
Cymek said:
Spiny Norman said:
Cymek said:Yes I was thinking aircraft carriers and its support ships.
There’ll still be a need for aircraft carriers for many years to come. The long-range bombers can refuel in the air but they often need support in the form of fighters/interceptors closer to the target(s). Those smaller aircraft either need a land base or a mobile ocean runway to deploy from.
And of course the carriers need extensive support themselves, right from at least one nuclear sub hovering around to multiple other navy ships.
My thought was from a novel I read were in the future China had invaded mainland USA.
The USA created missile ships that fired hundreds of missile at once against Chinese fleets and they couldn’t take them all out and were obliterated.
Could that actually work especially if the missiles were extremely fast, manoverable and had counter measures
In australia some kid was holding a sign ridiculing what’s his face in charge of China ( winnie the pooh). He was attacked by a Chinese mob and moved in.
Sun tzu
Chapter 5
The fifth column
Translation Samuel Griffith ( I think)
Don’t fight wars place people and populations friendly to your cause behind enemy lines, its cheaper and more effective. The purpose of war is to capture all under heaven.
wookiemeister said:
Cymek said:
Spiny Norman said:There’ll still be a need for aircraft carriers for many years to come. The long-range bombers can refuel in the air but they often need support in the form of fighters/interceptors closer to the target(s). Those smaller aircraft either need a land base or a mobile ocean runway to deploy from.
And of course the carriers need extensive support themselves, right from at least one nuclear sub hovering around to multiple other navy ships.
My thought was from a novel I read were in the future China had invaded mainland USA.
The USA created missile ships that fired hundreds of missile at once against Chinese fleets and they couldn’t take them all out and were obliterated.
Could that actually work especially if the missiles were extremely fast, manoverable and had counter measures
No need to invade militarily – they just move there legallyIn australia some kid was holding a sign ridiculing what’s his face in charge of China ( winnie the pooh). He was attacked by a Chinese mob and moved in.
Sun tzu
Chapter 5
The fifth column
Translation Samuel Griffith ( I think)Don’t fight wars place people and populations friendly to your cause behind enemy lines, its cheaper and more effective. The purpose of war is to capture all under heaven.
Ive got a funny feeling the speed of the missile creates plasma (?) at the front of the missile that confuses radar
wookiemeister said:
Land is the essence of the state
Exactly, Mr Meister. After all, they ain’t making any more it, are they, hey what but. So the only way you are gunna get more land is to take it off someone else.
wookiemeister said:
Ive got a funny feeling the speed of the missile creates plasma (?) at the front of the missile that confuses radar
The hypersonics would definitely have a coat of plasma around the nose. But equally they’ll be lit-up on infra-red like a small star.
Spiny Norman said:
wookiemeister said:
Ive got a funny feeling the speed of the missile creates plasma (?) at the front of the missile that confuses radar
The hypersonics would definitely have a coat of plasma around the nose. But equally they’ll be lit-up on infra-red like a small star.
Darth Putin
@DarthPutinKGB
If you ever think your job is completely pointless, just remember that someone works as “Russian Human Rights Commissioner”.
Tamb said:
Spiny Norman said:
wookiemeister said:
Ive got a funny feeling the speed of the missile creates plasma (?) at the front of the missile that confuses radar
The hypersonics would definitely have a coat of plasma around the nose. But equally they’ll be lit-up on infra-red like a small star.
I like the idea of a concrete bomb. No explosive or electronics.
You spoilt sport.
Tamb said:
Spiny Norman said:
wookiemeister said:
Ive got a funny feeling the speed of the missile creates plasma (?) at the front of the missile that confuses radar
The hypersonics would definitely have a coat of plasma around the nose. But equally they’ll be lit-up on infra-red like a small star.
I like the idea of a concrete bomb. No explosive or electronics.
the rod from god?
The Ukrainian military struck an electrical substation in Russia’s southern region of Belgorod on Tuesday, local authorities have said. The attack on the facility, located in the village of Shebekino, sparked a fire at a transformer and disrupted power supply for some 2,000 people in the area.
Its what happens when you strike someone’s power network. Unless you land the first punch first and hard you’ll find the enemy attacking your power networks.
With the ground getting wet I’m guessing the weather is turning and we are going into missile season. Any newer and tactical advance might not happen till the ground gardens. This might provoke more Russian strikes on the power grid.
https://youtu.be/scZt9SIJU_Q
Fulton sheen
Yuri bezmenov gives a master-class on soviet psychology and plan on how the soviet union would take over.
wookiemeister said:
Yuri bezmenov gives a master-class on soviet psychology and plan on how the soviet union would take over.
Bezmenov “Beets, cabbage and wodka, that is the plan”
The world “And then?”
Bezmenov “That is it”
Woodie said:
Tamb said:
Spiny Norman said:The hypersonics would definitely have a coat of plasma around the nose. But equally they’ll be lit-up on infra-red like a small star.
I like the idea of a concrete bomb. No explosive or electronics.
Wah???? No bangy bangy boom booms?You spoilt sport.
For Russia the active measures has become a sword with two edges
On one hand knocking out the brains of the upper echelon of western society: people that can define a woman, allowing child molesters into female changing rooms, having no judgement on destructive behaviours, has undermined the west where it’s unable to think or act in amy logically way – good for eventually invading.
On the other a society comprised of idiots can’t be negotiated with , dangerous if it has become the caretaker for legacy nukes.
Cymek said:
wookiemeister said:
Yuri bezmenov gives a master-class on soviet psychology and plan on how the soviet union would take over.
Bezmenov “Beets, cabbage and wodka, that is the plan”
The world “And then?”
Bezmenov “That is it”
……. and roubles. throw lots of roubles at the peasants, hey what but. Peferrably the paper ones. So the peasants have something to burn to warm the beets cabbage and wodka during the long cold winter.
Woodie said:
Cymek said:
wookiemeister said:
Yuri bezmenov gives a master-class on soviet psychology and plan on how the soviet union would take over.
Bezmenov “Beets, cabbage and wodka, that is the plan”
The world “And then?”
Bezmenov “That is it”
……. and roubles. throw lots of roubles at the peasants, hey what but. Peferrably the paper ones. So the peasants have something to burn to warm the beets cabbage and wodka during the long cold winter.
RUSSIA SENDS OUT MASS “CIVIL DEFENSE” PROCEDURES & INSTRUCTIONS ON HOW TO REACT TO THE ALERT OF AIRBORNE, CHEMICAL, OR RADIATION ATTACKS
“Civil Defense
The procedure for the actions of the population on the go signal when at work.
The signal “ATTENTION TO ALL!”
Accompanied by the activation of sirens with intermittent beeps followed by verbal information about the signal GO
looks as if russians have got wind of a US first strike OR ukraine is preparing a dirty bomb
never know , the US might be preparing a false flag chemical attack in ukraine which then gives the casus belli to launch
2 weeks 4 days to winter
This is just sad.
https://i.imgur.com/5wWy26t.mp4
A Russian armoured personnel carrier (an MT-LB) rolls up to a double line of anti-armour mines LAID IN FULL VIEW across a roadway, and tries to squeeze through a gap between two of them.
Even if that had worked, what would they have done at the second line?
Were these poor sods given no training at all in recognising that these things could kill them? Were they taken straight from the tiddlywinks factory, put into a uniform, turned around three trimes and put in an APC and just told ‘drive that way’?
These people were just thrown away/threw themselves away. ‘Cannon fodder’ doesn’t begin to describe it.
wookiemeister said:
2 weeks 4 days to winter
Thoughts and prayers are with your undersupplied Russian soldiers, eating grass and wearing their own faeces for warmth.
captain_spalding said:
This is just sad.https://i.imgur.com/5wWy26t.mp4
A Russian armoured personnel carrier (an MT-LB) rolls up to a double line of anti-armour mines LAID IN FULL VIEW across a roadway, and tries to squeeze through a gap between two of them.
Even if that had worked, what would they have done at the second line?
Were these poor sods given no training at all in recognising that these things could kill them? Were they taken straight from the tiddlywinks factory, put into a uniform, turned around three trimes and put in an APC and just told ‘drive that way’?
These people were just thrown away/threw themselves away. ‘Cannon fodder’ doesn’t begin to describe it.
APC’s aren’t even tanks so don’t even offer that level of armour protection
dv said:
wookiemeister said:
2 weeks 4 days to winter
Thoughts and prayers are with your undersupplied Russian soldiers, eating grass and wearing their own faeces for warmth.
Committing suicide by driving over mines…
captain_spalding said:
This is just sad.https://i.imgur.com/5wWy26t.mp4
A Russian armoured personnel carrier (an MT-LB) rolls up to a double line of anti-armour mines LAID IN FULL VIEW across a roadway, and tries to squeeze through a gap between two of them.
Even if that had worked, what would they have done at the second line?
Were these poor sods given no training at all in recognising that these things could kill them? Were they taken straight from the tiddlywinks factory, put into a uniform, turned around three trimes and put in an APC and just told ‘drive that way’?
These people were just thrown away/threw themselves away. ‘Cannon fodder’ doesn’t begin to describe it.
Putins superior forces.
Hey look fake mines, lets drive over them, and see what happens.
captain_spalding said:
This is just sad.https://i.imgur.com/5wWy26t.mp4
A Russian armoured personnel carrier (an MT-LB) rolls up to a double line of anti-armour mines LAID IN FULL VIEW across a roadway, and tries to squeeze through a gap between two of them.
Even if that had worked, what would they have done at the second line?
Were these poor sods given no training at all in recognising that these things could kill them? Were they taken straight from the tiddlywinks factory, put into a uniform, turned around three trimes and put in an APC and just told ‘drive that way’?
These people were just thrown away/threw themselves away. ‘Cannon fodder’ doesn’t begin to describe it.
I’m lookin up Russian Tiddlywinks Factory in Google but no luck so far.
captain_spalding said:
This is just sad.https://i.imgur.com/5wWy26t.mp4
A Russian armoured personnel carrier (an MT-LB) rolls up to a double line of anti-armour mines LAID IN FULL VIEW across a roadway, and tries to squeeze through a gap between two of them.
Even if that had worked, what would they have done at the second line?
Were these poor sods given no training at all in recognising that these things could kill them? Were they taken straight from the tiddlywinks factory, put into a uniform, turned around three trimes and put in an APC and just told ‘drive that way’?
These people were just thrown away/threw themselves away. ‘Cannon fodder’ doesn’t begin to describe it.
:(
Peak Warming Man said:
captain_spalding said:
This is just sad.https://i.imgur.com/5wWy26t.mp4
A Russian armoured personnel carrier (an MT-LB) rolls up to a double line of anti-armour mines LAID IN FULL VIEW across a roadway, and tries to squeeze through a gap between two of them.
Even if that had worked, what would they have done at the second line?
Were these poor sods given no training at all in recognising that these things could kill them? Were they taken straight from the tiddlywinks factory, put into a uniform, turned around three trimes and put in an APC and just told ‘drive that way’?
These people were just thrown away/threw themselves away. ‘Cannon fodder’ doesn’t begin to describe it.
I’m lookin up Russian Tiddlywinks Factory in Google but no luck so far.
Try this ?
Российская фабрика Tiddlywinks
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
This is just sad.https://i.imgur.com/5wWy26t.mp4
A Russian armoured personnel carrier (an MT-LB) rolls up to a double line of anti-armour mines LAID IN FULL VIEW across a roadway, and tries to squeeze through a gap between two of them.
Even if that had worked, what would they have done at the second line?
Were these poor sods given no training at all in recognising that these things could kill them? Were they taken straight from the tiddlywinks factory, put into a uniform, turned around three trimes and put in an APC and just told ‘drive that way’?
These people were just thrown away/threw themselves away. ‘Cannon fodder’ doesn’t begin to describe it.
:(
There’s some suggestion that the driver’s view from an MT-LB is not all that good, but damn, it can’t be THAT bad.
captain_spalding said:
This is just sad.https://i.imgur.com/5wWy26t.mp4
A Russian armoured personnel carrier (an MT-LB) rolls up to a double line of anti-armour mines LAID IN FULL VIEW across a roadway, and tries to squeeze through a gap between two of them.
Even if that had worked, what would they have done at the second line?
Were these poor sods given no training at all in recognising that these things could kill them? Were they taken straight from the tiddlywinks factory, put into a uniform, turned around three trimes and put in an APC and just told ‘drive that way’?
These people were just thrown away/threw themselves away. ‘Cannon fodder’ doesn’t begin to describe it.
Problem solvered.
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
This is just sad.https://i.imgur.com/5wWy26t.mp4
A Russian armoured personnel carrier (an MT-LB) rolls up to a double line of anti-armour mines LAID IN FULL VIEW across a roadway, and tries to squeeze through a gap between two of them.
Even if that had worked, what would they have done at the second line?
Were these poor sods given no training at all in recognising that these things could kill them? Were they taken straight from the tiddlywinks factory, put into a uniform, turned around three trimes and put in an APC and just told ‘drive that way’?
These people were just thrown away/threw themselves away. ‘Cannon fodder’ doesn’t begin to describe it.
:(
There’s some suggestion that the driver’s view from an MT-LB is not all that good, but damn, it can’t be THAT bad.
Yep, that boggles the mind.
Peak Warming Man said:
captain_spalding said:
This is just sad.https://i.imgur.com/5wWy26t.mp4
A Russian armoured personnel carrier (an MT-LB) rolls up to a double line of anti-armour mines LAID IN FULL VIEW across a roadway, and tries to squeeze through a gap between two of them.
Even if that had worked, what would they have done at the second line?
Were these poor sods given no training at all in recognising that these things could kill them? Were they taken straight from the tiddlywinks factory, put into a uniform, turned around three trimes and put in an APC and just told ‘drive that way’?
These people were just thrown away/threw themselves away. ‘Cannon fodder’ doesn’t begin to describe it.
Problem solvered.
Hobart’s ‘funnies’.
Peak Warming Man said:
captain_spalding said:
This is just sad.https://i.imgur.com/5wWy26t.mp4
A Russian armoured personnel carrier (an MT-LB) rolls up to a double line of anti-armour mines LAID IN FULL VIEW across a roadway, and tries to squeeze through a gap between two of them.
Even if that had worked, what would they have done at the second line?
Were these poor sods given no training at all in recognising that these things could kill them? Were they taken straight from the tiddlywinks factory, put into a uniform, turned around three trimes and put in an APC and just told ‘drive that way’?
These people were just thrown away/threw themselves away. ‘Cannon fodder’ doesn’t begin to describe it.
Problem solvered.
One of ‘Hobart’s Funnies’.
Didn’t know there was any still around.
Tau.Neutrino said:
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said::(
There’s some suggestion that the driver’s view from an MT-LB is not all that good, but damn, it can’t be THAT bad.
Yep, that boggles the mind.
Maybe they thought they were speed bumps.
captain_spalding said:
Peak Warming Man said:
captain_spalding said:
This is just sad.https://i.imgur.com/5wWy26t.mp4
A Russian armoured personnel carrier (an MT-LB) rolls up to a double line of anti-armour mines LAID IN FULL VIEW across a roadway, and tries to squeeze through a gap between two of them.
Even if that had worked, what would they have done at the second line?
Were these poor sods given no training at all in recognising that these things could kill them? Were they taken straight from the tiddlywinks factory, put into a uniform, turned around three trimes and put in an APC and just told ‘drive that way’?
These people were just thrown away/threw themselves away. ‘Cannon fodder’ doesn’t begin to describe it.
Problem solvered.
One of ‘Hobart’s Funnies’.
Didn’t know there was any still around.
Are anti armour mines set off by specific weight ?
captain_spalding said:
This is just sad.https://i.imgur.com/5wWy26t.mp4
A Russian armoured personnel carrier (an MT-LB) rolls up to a double line of anti-armour mines LAID IN FULL VIEW across a roadway, and tries to squeeze through a gap between two of them.
Even if that had worked, what would they have done at the second line?
Were these poor sods given no training at all in recognising that these things could kill them? Were they taken straight from the tiddlywinks factory, put into a uniform, turned around three trimes and put in an APC and just told ‘drive that way’?
These people were just thrown away/threw themselves away. ‘Cannon fodder’ doesn’t begin to describe it.
Was there actually one survivor?
roughbarked said:
Was there actually one survivor?
The video seems to suggest that.
The driver, and the commander/gunner sit in a compartment at the front, with the engine behind them. Up to 11 troops are in another compartment behind the engine.
So, the troop compartment could have been shielded enough from the blast to allow one bloke to survive.
No clues as to how many others might have been in there.
dv said:
wookiemeister said:
2 weeks 4 days to winter
Thoughts and prayers are with your undersupplied Russian soldiers, eating grass and wearing their own faeces for warmth.
Ukrainian power system no longer feeding Europe
Somethings got to give.
wookiemeister said:
dv said:
wookiemeister said:
2 weeks 4 days to winter
Thoughts and prayers are with your undersupplied Russian soldiers, eating grass and wearing their own faeces for warmth.
Either way winter is comingUkrainian power system no longer feeding Europe
Somethings got to give.
Nah, seems like they are all set up with plenty of energy reserves stored. Looks like they know how to plan properly? Maybe Vlad could take notes.
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
This is just sad.https://i.imgur.com/5wWy26t.mp4
A Russian armoured personnel carrier (an MT-LB) rolls up to a double line of anti-armour mines LAID IN FULL VIEW across a roadway, and tries to squeeze through a gap between two of them.
Even if that had worked, what would they have done at the second line?
Were these poor sods given no training at all in recognising that these things could kill them? Were they taken straight from the tiddlywinks factory, put into a uniform, turned around three trimes and put in an APC and just told ‘drive that way’?
These people were just thrown away/threw themselves away. ‘Cannon fodder’ doesn’t begin to describe it.
:(
There’s some suggestion that the driver’s view from an MT-LB is not all that good, but damn, it can’t be THAT bad.
Russian style sappers. Just clearing the minefield.
dv said:
wookiemeister said:
dv said:Thoughts and prayers are with your undersupplied Russian soldiers, eating grass and wearing their own faeces for warmth.
Either way winter is comingUkrainian power system no longer feeding Europe
Somethings got to give.
Nah, seems like they are all set up with plenty of energy reserves stored. Looks like they know how to plan properly? Maybe Vlad could take notes.
dv said:
wookiemeister said:
dv said:Thoughts and prayers are with your undersupplied Russian soldiers, eating grass and wearing their own faeces for warmth.
Either way winter is comingUkrainian power system no longer feeding Europe
Somethings got to give.
Nah, seems like they are all set up with plenty of energy reserves stored. Looks like they know how to plan properly? Maybe Vlad could take notes.
Yeah, it’s a bit like when China put trade bans on Australian products.
It stung for a bit, but then Australian firms said ‘ok, f*** you, too’, and started looking to alternative markets and methods.
Now with those alternatives in place, and not all of the eggs in the one China basket, what China does in the future isn’t likely to sting so much.
Vlad and Russia could be creating the same thing for themselves.
Yes, the winter of 2022/2023 could be very nasty for Europe. But, it’d be a sharp lesson in placing your dependence on someone who you know that you really can’t trust. Time to put some good back-up plans in place.
A good hand, Vlad, but you can only play it once.
wookiemeister said:
dv said:
wookiemeister said:Either way winter is coming
Ukrainian power system no longer feeding Europe
Somethings got to give.
Nah, seems like they are all set up with plenty of energy reserves stored. Looks like they know how to plan properly? Maybe Vlad could take notes.
Australia hasn’t won a war since 1950s, we’d make poor teachers on the subject. Australia acts as auxiliaries for the US. Ukraine for the Australian army will be a war unlike any in its history.
Read what you wrote, read my response, realise you’ve strayed o/t. Australia isn’t even in Europe.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
wookiemeister said:Either way winter is coming
Ukrainian power system no longer feeding Europe
Somethings got to give.
Nah, seems like they are all set up with plenty of energy reserves stored. Looks like they know how to plan properly? Maybe Vlad could take notes.
Yeah, it’s a bit like when China put trade bans on Australian products.
It stung for a bit, but then Australian firms said ‘ok, f*** you, too’, and started looking to alternative markets and methods.
Now with those alternatives in place, and not all of the eggs in the one China basket, what China does in the future isn’t likely to sting so much.
Vlad and Russia could be creating the same thing for themselves.
Yes, the winter of 2022/2023 could be very nasty for Europe. But, it’d be a sharp lesson in placing your dependence on someone who you know that you really can’t trust. Time to put some good back-up plans in place.
A good hand, Vlad, but you can only play it once.
wookiemeister said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:Nah, seems like they are all set up with plenty of energy reserves stored. Looks like they know how to plan properly? Maybe Vlad could take notes.
Yeah, it’s a bit like when China put trade bans on Australian products.
It stung for a bit, but then Australian firms said ‘ok, f*** you, too’, and started looking to alternative markets and methods.
Now with those alternatives in place, and not all of the eggs in the one China basket, what China does in the future isn’t likely to sting so much.
Vlad and Russia could be creating the same thing for themselves.
Yes, the winter of 2022/2023 could be very nasty for Europe. But, it’d be a sharp lesson in placing your dependence on someone who you know that you really can’t trust. Time to put some good back-up plans in place.
A good hand, Vlad, but you can only play it once.
A lot can happen in a year, let alone a week with no food ,water and power in winter.
Russia may well find this a difficult winter to come back from.
wookiemeister said:
Australia hasn’t won a war since 1950s, we’d make poor teachers on the subject. Australia acts as auxiliaries for the US. Ukraine for the Australian army will be a war unlike any in its history.
Australia won in Vietnam.
By the time they left, Phuoc Tuy province was thoroughly ‘pacified’.
The local Viet Cong force, D448 battalion, had been so decimated over the years by the Australians’ careful, thorough and professional methods that it was no longer a viable military force.
The effectiveness of the Australians was a source of wonder to the Americans, who openly admired them.
One senior American officer had observed Australians searching a one-square-mile area of dense growth. While an equivalent American force would have done it in a day, maybe two, the Australians took five days.
According to someone who was there, at the end, he said that one thing was for damn sure, there was no VC in that area any more. He also said ‘the British have their Gurkhas. We have our Australians’.
dv said:
wookiemeister said:
dv said:Nah, seems like they are all set up with plenty of energy reserves stored. Looks like they know how to plan properly? Maybe Vlad could take notes.
Australia hasn’t won a war since 1950s, we’d make poor teachers on the subject. Australia acts as auxiliaries for the US. Ukraine for the Australian army will be a war unlike any in its history.Read what you wrote, read my response, realise you’ve strayed o/t. Australia isn’t even in Europe.
The Russians DO plan, they take losses but they are prepared to take those losses. Vlad doesn’t need to take notes – he’s a figurehead of sorts.
With the russians
The chessboard is quiet, then we make a move first – countered by Russia. We start moving the pieces round more, they start moving the pieces more then go on the offensive.
We pack up our pieces, the russians pack up their pieces
roughbarked said:
wookiemeister said:
captain_spalding said:Yeah, it’s a bit like when China put trade bans on Australian products.
It stung for a bit, but then Australian firms said ‘ok, f*** you, too’, and started looking to alternative markets and methods.
Now with those alternatives in place, and not all of the eggs in the one China basket, what China does in the future isn’t likely to sting so much.
Vlad and Russia could be creating the same thing for themselves.
Yes, the winter of 2022/2023 could be very nasty for Europe. But, it’d be a sharp lesson in placing your dependence on someone who you know that you really can’t trust. Time to put some good back-up plans in place.
A good hand, Vlad, but you can only play it once.
A lot can happen in a year, let alone a week with no food ,water and power in winter.Russia may well find this a difficult winter to come back from.
wookiemeister said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:Nah, seems like they are all set up with plenty of energy reserves stored. Looks like they know how to plan properly? Maybe Vlad could take notes.
Yeah, it’s a bit like when China put trade bans on Australian products.
It stung for a bit, but then Australian firms said ‘ok, f*** you, too’, and started looking to alternative markets and methods.
Now with those alternatives in place, and not all of the eggs in the one China basket, what China does in the future isn’t likely to sting so much.
Vlad and Russia could be creating the same thing for themselves.
Yes, the winter of 2022/2023 could be very nasty for Europe. But, it’d be a sharp lesson in placing your dependence on someone who you know that you really can’t trust. Time to put some good back-up plans in place.
A good hand, Vlad, but you can only play it once.
A lot can happen in a year, let alone a week with no food ,water and power in winter.
Yeah I know, the Russian soldiers are about to find that out.
dv said:
wookiemeister said:
captain_spalding said:Yeah, it’s a bit like when China put trade bans on Australian products.
It stung for a bit, but then Australian firms said ‘ok, f*** you, too’, and started looking to alternative markets and methods.
Now with those alternatives in place, and not all of the eggs in the one China basket, what China does in the future isn’t likely to sting so much.
Vlad and Russia could be creating the same thing for themselves.
Yes, the winter of 2022/2023 could be very nasty for Europe. But, it’d be a sharp lesson in placing your dependence on someone who you know that you really can’t trust. Time to put some good back-up plans in place.
A good hand, Vlad, but you can only play it once.
A lot can happen in a year, let alone a week with no food ,water and power in winter.Yeah I know, the Russian soldiers are about to find that out.
No winter uniforms, either.
wookiemeister said:
You’re just angry DV , like bubbles et al.
I’m certainly not too happy that Putin went on this adventure but obviously I’m glad that it has been such a spectacular, embarrassing failure for him.
wookiemeister said:
dv said:
wookiemeister said:Australia hasn’t won a war since 1950s, we’d make poor teachers on the subject. Australia acts as auxiliaries for the US. Ukraine for the Australian army will be a war unlike any in its history.
Read what you wrote, read my response, realise you’ve strayed o/t. Australia isn’t even in Europe.
You’re just angry DV , like bubbles et al.The Russians DO plan, they take losses but they are prepared to take those losses. Vlad doesn’t need to take notes – he’s a figurehead of sorts.
With the russians
The chessboard is quiet, then we make a move first – countered by Russia. We start moving the pieces round more, they start moving the pieces more then go on the offensive.
We pack up our pieces, the russians pack up their pieces
I suppose were many people are considered sub human and under the thumb they don’t care about losses as the losses aren’t them or their family
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
wookiemeister said:A lot can happen in a year, let alone a week with no food ,water and power in winter.
Yeah I know, the Russian soldiers are about to find that out.
No winter uniforms, either.
The state of the sites that the Russian soldiers have fled from show how badly they are being supplied.
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:Australia hasn’t won a war since 1950s, we’d make poor teachers on the subject. Australia acts as auxiliaries for the US. Ukraine for the Australian army will be a war unlike any in its history.
Australia won in Vietnam.
By the time they left, Phuoc Tuy province was thoroughly ‘pacified’.
The local Viet Cong force, D448 battalion, had been so decimated over the years by the Australians’ careful, thorough and professional methods that it was no longer a viable military force.
The effectiveness of the Australians was a source of wonder to the Americans, who openly admired them.
One senior American officer had observed Australians searching a one-square-mile area of dense growth. While an equivalent American force would have done it in a day, maybe two, the Australians took five days.
According to someone who was there, at the end, he said that one thing was for damn sure, there was no VC in that area any more. He also said ‘the British have their Gurkhas. We have our Australians’.
If Australia had been under missile attack every day , major buildings being collapsed every day – hundreds of dead and injury I’m not sure the army would have been there that long. Australia hasn’t met a near peer adversary since WW2 , they’ve punched down. We spent 20 years fighting guys in sandals with ak47s – if you figure the Australian army should have a pop at it again then be my guest.
wookiemeister said:
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:Australia hasn’t won a war since 1950s, we’d make poor teachers on the subject. Australia acts as auxiliaries for the US. Ukraine for the Australian army will be a war unlike any in its history.
Australia won in Vietnam.
By the time they left, Phuoc Tuy province was thoroughly ‘pacified’.
The local Viet Cong force, D448 battalion, had been so decimated over the years by the Australians’ careful, thorough and professional methods that it was no longer a viable military force.
The effectiveness of the Australians was a source of wonder to the Americans, who openly admired them.
One senior American officer had observed Australians searching a one-square-mile area of dense growth. While an equivalent American force would have done it in a day, maybe two, the Australians took five days.
According to someone who was there, at the end, he said that one thing was for damn sure, there was no VC in that area any more. He also said ‘the British have their Gurkhas. We have our Australians’.
Great, one small sector, try fighting a real war.If Australia had been under missile attack every day , major buildings being collapsed every day – hundreds of dead and injury I’m not sure the army would have been there that long. Australia hasn’t met a near peer adversary since WW2 , they’ve punched down. We spent 20 years fighting guys in sandals with ak47s – if you figure the Australian army should have a pop at it again then be my guest.
Now you’re getting angry, wookie.
dv said:
wookiemeister said:You’re just angry DV , like bubbles et al.
I’m certainly not too happy that Putin went on this adventure but obviously I’m glad that it has been such a spectacular, embarrassing failure for him.
wookiemeister said:
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:Australia hasn’t won a war since 1950s, we’d make poor teachers on the subject. Australia acts as auxiliaries for the US. Ukraine for the Australian army will be a war unlike any in its history.
Australia won in Vietnam.
By the time they left, Phuoc Tuy province was thoroughly ‘pacified’.
The local Viet Cong force, D448 battalion, had been so decimated over the years by the Australians’ careful, thorough and professional methods that it was no longer a viable military force.
The effectiveness of the Australians was a source of wonder to the Americans, who openly admired them.
One senior American officer had observed Australians searching a one-square-mile area of dense growth. While an equivalent American force would have done it in a day, maybe two, the Australians took five days.
According to someone who was there, at the end, he said that one thing was for damn sure, there was no VC in that area any more. He also said ‘the British have their Gurkhas. We have our Australians’.
Great, one small sector, try fighting a real war.If Australia had been under missile attack every day , major buildings being collapsed every day – hundreds of dead and injury I’m not sure the army would have been there that long. Australia hasn’t met a near peer adversary since WW2 , they’ve punched down. We spent 20 years fighting guys in sandals with ak47s – if you figure the Australian army should have a pop at it again then be my guest.
I suppose if anything a major modern high tech war shows what weapons work or not and what equipment is obsolete .
Cymek said:
wookiemeister said:
dv said:Read what you wrote, read my response, realise you’ve strayed o/t. Australia isn’t even in Europe.
You’re just angry DV , like bubbles et al.The Russians DO plan, they take losses but they are prepared to take those losses. Vlad doesn’t need to take notes – he’s a figurehead of sorts.
With the russians
The chessboard is quiet, then we make a move first – countered by Russia. We start moving the pieces round more, they start moving the pieces more then go on the offensive.
We pack up our pieces, the russians pack up their pieces
I suppose were many people are considered sub human and under the thumb they don’t care about losses as the losses aren’t them or their family
captain_spalding said:
Now you’re getting angry, wookie.
You’ve hitched your wagon to the wrong star, and it’s natural to be frustrated, but there are still plenty of despots and loonies you can worship. This time next year you might have to take down the posters of Putin from your bedroom wall but KJU and Xi will still be there.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
wookiemeister said:A lot can happen in a year, let alone a week with no food ,water and power in winter.
Yeah I know, the Russian soldiers are about to find that out.
No winter uniforms, either.
or socks.
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:
captain_spalding said:Australia won in Vietnam.
By the time they left, Phuoc Tuy province was thoroughly ‘pacified’.
The local Viet Cong force, D448 battalion, had been so decimated over the years by the Australians’ careful, thorough and professional methods that it was no longer a viable military force.
The effectiveness of the Australians was a source of wonder to the Americans, who openly admired them.
One senior American officer had observed Australians searching a one-square-mile area of dense growth. While an equivalent American force would have done it in a day, maybe two, the Australians took five days.
According to someone who was there, at the end, he said that one thing was for damn sure, there was no VC in that area any more. He also said ‘the British have their Gurkhas. We have our Australians’.
Great, one small sector, try fighting a real war.If Australia had been under missile attack every day , major buildings being collapsed every day – hundreds of dead and injury I’m not sure the army would have been there that long. Australia hasn’t met a near peer adversary since WW2 , they’ve punched down. We spent 20 years fighting guys in sandals with ak47s – if you figure the Australian army should have a pop at it again then be my guest.
Now you’re getting angry, wookie.
Quiet resignation
wookiemeister said:
Cymek said:
wookiemeister said:You’re just angry DV , like bubbles et al.
The Russians DO plan, they take losses but they are prepared to take those losses. Vlad doesn’t need to take notes – he’s a figurehead of sorts.
With the russians
The chessboard is quiet, then we make a move first – countered by Russia. We start moving the pieces round more, they start moving the pieces more then go on the offensive.
We pack up our pieces, the russians pack up their pieces
I suppose were many people are considered sub human and under the thumb they don’t care about losses as the losses aren’t them or their family
The western mind is taught to see Russians as sub humans, no point trying to tell them otherwise. I would say the Germans learnt their lesson buy considering they are back on the eastern front they’ve got short memories
wookiemeister said:
dv said:
wookiemeister said:You’re just angry DV , like bubbles et al.
I’m certainly not too happy that Putin went on this adventure but obviously I’m glad that it has been such a spectacular, embarrassing failure for him.
You know Russia still holds a big chunk of ukraine right ?
You know it’s all gone tits up and they can’t even resupply their troops, right? They’re losing thousands of sqkm per week.
wookiemeister said:
Cymek said:
wookiemeister said:You’re just angry DV , like bubbles et al.
The Russians DO plan, they take losses but they are prepared to take those losses. Vlad doesn’t need to take notes – he’s a figurehead of sorts.
With the russians
The chessboard is quiet, then we make a move first – countered by Russia. We start moving the pieces round more, they start moving the pieces more then go on the offensive.
We pack up our pieces, the russians pack up their pieces
I suppose were many people are considered sub human and under the thumb they don’t care about losses as the losses aren’t them or their family
The western mind is taught to see Russians as sub humans, no point trying to tell them otherwise. I would say the Germans learnt their lesson buy considering they are back on the eastern front they’ve got short memories
Not us, Russian leaders not caring for its people, communism is a bust, the population are disposable for those in power.
But yes the “enemy” don’t grieve as we do, which is not true they are humans like all of us
dv said:
captain_spalding said:
Now you’re getting angry, wookie.
You’ve hitched your wagon to the wrong star, and it’s natural to be frustrated, but there are still plenty of despots and loonies you can worship. This time next year you might have to take down the posters of Putin from your bedroom wall but KJU and Xi will still be there.
wookiemeister said:
dv said:
captain_spalding said:
Now you’re getting angry, wookie.
You’ve hitched your wagon to the wrong star, and it’s natural to be frustrated, but there are still plenty of despots and loonies you can worship. This time next year you might have to take down the posters of Putin from your bedroom wall but KJU and Xi will still be there.
I still put my money on the red army
Squander like a wastrel if you wish. Mot my problem.
wookiemeister said:
Cymek said:
wookiemeister said:You’re just angry DV , like bubbles et al.
The Russians DO plan, they take losses but they are prepared to take those losses. Vlad doesn’t need to take notes – he’s a figurehead of sorts.
With the russians
The chessboard is quiet, then we make a move first – countered by Russia. We start moving the pieces round more, they start moving the pieces more then go on the offensive.
We pack up our pieces, the russians pack up their pieces
I suppose were many people are considered sub human and under the thumb they don’t care about losses as the losses aren’t them or their family
The western mind is taught to see Russians as sub humans, no point trying to tell them otherwise. I would say the Germans learnt their lesson buy considering they are back on the eastern front they’ve got short memories
Ah the Untermensch
roughbarked said:
wookiemeister said:
dv said:You’ve hitched your wagon to the wrong star, and it’s natural to be frustrated, but there are still plenty of despots and loonies you can worship. This time next year you might have to take down the posters of Putin from your bedroom wall but KJU and Xi will still be there.
I still put my money on the red army
Squander like a wastrel if you wish. Mot my problem.
Again, I know you don’t follow history much, but the Red Army has not existed for 30 years and its final years were typified by defeats.
This will be missile season till November
Expect to see Ukrainian missiles flying into civillian areas, likewise with the russians.
Once the russians are done with the power network they’ll move on to the next target.
wookiemeister said:
This will be missile season till NovemberExpect to see Ukrainian missiles flying into civillian areas, likewise with the russians.
Once the russians are done with the power network they’ll move on to the next target.
I think they’ll continue their rapid retreat.
dv said:
roughbarked said:
wookiemeister said:I still put my money on the red army
Squander like a wastrel if you wish. Mot my problem.
Again, I know you don’t follow history much, but the Red Army has not existed for 30 years and its final years were typified by defeats.
dv said:
wookiemeister said:
This will be missile season till NovemberExpect to see Ukrainian missiles flying into civillian areas, likewise with the russians.
Once the russians are done with the power network they’ll move on to the next target.
I think they’ll continue their rapid retreat.
As it is the Russians absorbed the punch by side stepping it and driving a punch to the ribs. In ww2 there was a continually advance / retreat across the entire front
Kherson down to 4 deg for most of the coming week
don’t worry nobody cares about this shit it’s
CHINA CHINA CHINA
causing all the trouble
Okay I think I’ve seen enough of your crywanking for today, I’ll be back when I need a top-up.
wookiemeister said:
dv said:
wookiemeister said:
This will be missile season till NovemberExpect to see Ukrainian missiles flying into civillian areas, likewise with the russians.
Once the russians are done with the power network they’ll move on to the next target.
I think they’ll continue their rapid retreat.
They retreated leaving vacuums that uko forces rushed into and suffered huge losses.As it is the Russians absorbed the punch by side stepping it and driving a punch to the ribs. In ww2 there was a continually advance / retreat across the entire front
The Ukranians don’t want much. Only their country back. Russia has been attempting to take it from them since 2008. I’m reasonably certain they won’t be pursuing the Russians as far as the Kremlin.
Lviv cold overnight with sporadic showers
dv said:
wookiemeister said:
This will be missile season till NovemberExpect to see Ukrainian missiles flying into civillian areas, likewise with the russians.
Once the russians are done with the power network they’ll move on to the next target.
I think they’ll continue their rapid retreat.
dv said:
Okay I think I’ve seen enough of your crywanking for today, I’ll be back when I need a top-up.
wookiemeister said:
dv said:
Okay I think I’ve seen enough of your crywanking for today, I’ll be back when I need a top-up.
I’ll see you then
Not if we see you first.
Tamb said:
dv said:
wookiemeister said:
This will be missile season till NovemberExpect to see Ukrainian missiles flying into civillian areas, likewise with the russians.
Once the russians are done with the power network they’ll move on to the next target.
I think they’ll continue their rapid retreat.
The ruskies are masters of self deception.
When I was there in the 80s I was told that it only took Russia 3 weeks to defeat Japan. They got peeved when I said that the two atom bombs might have had something to do with the Japanese surrender.
wookiemeister said:
Great, one small sector, try fighting a real war.
If Australia had been under missile attack every day , major buildings being collapsed every day – hundreds of dead and injury I’m not sure the army would have been there that long. Australia hasn’t met a near peer adversary since WW2 , they’ve punched down. We spent 20 years fighting guys in sandals with ak47s – if you figure the Australian army should have a pop at it again then be my guest.
Now you’re getting angry, wookie.
I wish I could
Quiet resignation
You’re mixing your arguments/topics here, and negating yourself fairly effectively.
You say that it’s not good having Australian soldiers try to teach Ukrainians to be good soldiers because Australia hasn’t ‘won a war’ in the wider scale.
But, Australia has never ‘won a war’ on its own. Blimey, even the emus beat us.
But, that doesn’t mean that Australians don’t make good soldiers. I’m not going all jingoistic and proclaiming them the be ‘the finest fighting forces in the world’ or twaddle like that. However, they can be, are, and have been very effective and professional soldiers.
They wouldn’t be trying to teach Ukrainians to win the entire war. Just to win the fight that’s in front of them. And i suggest that they could be very good at that.
Your attitude is that because a man can’t build a cathedral on his own, he’s incapable of building a decent house. Which is nonsense.
wookiemeister said:
Kherson down to 4 deg for most of the coming week
Lucky the Ukes have winter gear.
Tamb said:
dv said:
wookiemeister said:
This will be missile season till NovemberExpect to see Ukrainian missiles flying into civillian areas, likewise with the russians.
Once the russians are done with the power network they’ll move on to the next target.
I think they’ll continue their rapid retreat.
The ruskies are masters of self deception.
When I was there in the 80s I was told that it only took Russia 3 weeks to defeat Japan. They got peeved when I said that the two atom bombs might have had something to do with the Japanese surrender.
Russia suffered huge troops losses in WWII, more than everyone is combined wasn’t it
Having a quick look it seems so
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:Great, one small sector, try fighting a real war.
If Australia had been under missile attack every day , major buildings being collapsed every day – hundreds of dead and injury I’m not sure the army would have been there that long. Australia hasn’t met a near peer adversary since WW2 , they’ve punched down. We spent 20 years fighting guys in sandals with ak47s – if you figure the Australian army should have a pop at it again then be my guest.
Now you’re getting angry, wookie.
Quiet resignation
You’re mixing your arguments/topics here, and negating yourself fairly effectively.
You say that it’s not good having Australian soldiers try to teach Ukrainians to be good soldiers because Australia hasn’t ‘won a war’ in the wider scale.
But, Australia has never ‘won a war’ on its own. Blimey, even the emus beat us.
But, that doesn’t mean that Australians don’t make good soldiers. I’m not going all jingoistic and proclaiming them the be ‘the finest fighting forces in the world’ or twaddle like that. However, they can be, are, and have been very effective and professional soldiers.
They wouldn’t be trying to teach Ukrainians to win the entire war. Just to win the fight that’s in front of them. And i suggest that they could be very good at that.
Your attitude is that because a man can’t build a cathedral on his own, he’s incapable of building a decent house. Which is nonsense.
Just send them to ukraine
It will be fine.
Cymek said:
Tamb said:
dv said:I think they’ll continue their rapid retreat.
The ruskies are masters of self deception.
When I was there in the 80s I was told that it only took Russia 3 weeks to defeat Japan. They got peeved when I said that the two atom bombs might have had something to do with the Japanese surrender.Russia suffered huge troops losses in WWII, more than everyone is combined wasn’t it
Having a quick look it seems so
Edit
It will be fine captain, just send then to ukraine , it will all work out – like every war since ww2
wookiemeister said:
Kherson down to 4 deg for most of the coming week
ROFL the Russians lost five more towns in the Kherson region just in the last two days. Maybe they are keen to go home.
“The five villages that were taken on October 11 are Novovasylivka, Novohryhorivka, Nova Kamianka, Tryfonivka and Chervone in the Beryslav district.”
dv said:
wookiemeister said:
Kherson down to 4 deg for most of the coming week
ROFL the Russians lost five more towns in the Kherson region just in the last two days. Maybe they are keen to go home.
“The five villages that were taken on October 11 are Novovasylivka, Novohryhorivka, Nova Kamianka, Tryfonivka and Chervone in the Beryslav district.”
wookiemeister said:
EditIt will be fine captain, just send then to ukraine , it will all work out – like every war since ww2
OK, i won’t mention it again.
dv said:
wookiemeister said:
Kherson down to 4 deg for most of the coming week
ROFL the Russians lost five more towns in the Kherson region just in the last two days. Maybe they are keen to go home.
“The five villages that were taken on October 11 are Novovasylivka, Novohryhorivka, Nova Kamianka, Tryfonivka and Chervone in the Beryslav district.”
Russians soldiers aren’t fighting for anything than means anything to any of them
Even if they win what do the win, nothing and likely decades of attacks as the occupiers of Ukraine until they get fed up and leave.
wookiemeister said:
EditIt will be fine captain, just send then to ukraine , it will all work out – like every war since ww2
Nobody is being sent to Ukraine. Particulaly not Australian troops.
Sure you can fabricate bullshit with the best of them. You should get along well with people such as Donald Trump and Alex Jones.
In good news…
The New Voice of Ukraine
@NewVoiceUkraine
37 Ukrainian children were returned from forced deportation to the Russian Federation, the Ministry of Reintegration reported.
Russian invaders took the children from Kharkiv Oblast to a Russian village near Gelendzhik – despite the fact that all of them have parents.
I just hope the other thousands of relocated children are returned.
2 weeks 3 days to winter
wookiemeister said:
2 weeks 3 days to winter
And it seems that the Russian conscripts are voting with their feet and their rifles.
Oh the irony.
>‘Leave with their children’: Russia urges residents to flee Kherson as Ukraine advances
A flight of civilians from Kherson would be a major blow to Russia’s claim to have annexed around 15 per cent of Ukraine’s territory.
wookiemeister said:
2 weeks 3 days to winter
No rain, cloudy in parts. Things cooling.
The offensive has stalled.
Russians in the process of mobilising 300,000 men. Some of those troops have started filtering into the battle
Strikes on going using missiles
Artillery duels on going
German anti aircraft systems filtering into ukraine
Unknown what the state of play with the power network is.
Average low temps ukraine November 1.4
wookiemeister said:
Russians in the process of mobilising 300,000 men. Some of those troops have started filtering into the neighbouring countries to seek asylum.
fixed.
Weather in December. The first month of the winter, December, is also a wintry month in Kiev, Ukraine, with an average temperature fluctuating between 0.6°C (33.1°F) and -3.5°C (25.7°F).
Can expect a major offensive (?) Late November/ early December, based on the weather.
wookiemeister said:
Weather in December. The first month of the winter, December, is also a wintry month in Kiev, Ukraine, with an average temperature fluctuating between 0.6°C (33.1°F) and -3.5°C (25.7°F).
Unlike Hitler’s eastern front, Ukraine doesn’t have the rest of the world cutting off their supply lines and attacking from the other fronts.
Like Hitler’s assualt, the Ruskies are cut off from supply and are running out of socks.
Conscripted men arrive at a Russian military base and immediately tell their commander to ‘go f*** yourself’ when ordered to fall into two ranks
https://videos.dailymail.co.uk/video/mol/2022/09/26/8917666051209970738/1024×576_MP4_8917666051209970738.mp4
Uko strike on Russian ammo dumps ( within artillery range)
roughbarked said:
wookiemeister said:
Weather in December. The first month of the winter, December, is also a wintry month in Kiev, Ukraine, with an average temperature fluctuating between 0.6°C (33.1°F) and -3.5°C (25.7°F).
Unlike Hitler’s eastern front, Ukraine doesn’t have the rest of the world cutting off their supply lines and attacking from the other fronts.
Like Hitler’s assualt, the Ruskies are cut off from supply and are running out of socks.
I think it was Major Bloodknock who went on economy drive by just wearing one sock.
Peak Warming Man said:
roughbarked said:
wookiemeister said:
Weather in December. The first month of the winter, December, is also a wintry month in Kiev, Ukraine, with an average temperature fluctuating between 0.6°C (33.1°F) and -3.5°C (25.7°F).
Unlike Hitler’s eastern front, Ukraine doesn’t have the rest of the world cutting off their supply lines and attacking from the other fronts.
Like Hitler’s assualt, the Ruskies are cut off from supply and are running out of socks.
I think it was Major Bloodknock who went on economy drive by just wearing one sock.
Major Denis Bloodnok?
wookiemeister said:
Can expect a major offensive (?) Late November/ early December, based on the weather.
You realise the Russians have no winter gear, right?
roughbarked said:
Peak Warming Man said:
roughbarked said:Unlike Hitler’s eastern front, Ukraine doesn’t have the rest of the world cutting off their supply lines and attacking from the other fronts.
Like Hitler’s assualt, the Ruskies are cut off from supply and are running out of socks.
I think it was Major Bloodknock who went on economy drive by just wearing one sock.
Major Denis Bloodnok?
That’s him, legend.
Peak Warming Man said:
roughbarked said:
Peak Warming Man said:I think it was Major Bloodknock who went on economy drive by just wearing one sock.
Major Denis Bloodnok?
That’s him, legend.
Still have the Goon tapes somewhere.
roughbarked said:
Peak Warming Man said:
roughbarked said:Major Denis Bloodnok?
That’s him, legend.
Still have the Goon tapes somewhere.
206 episodes of The Goon Show for listening or downloading here:
https://www.radioechoes.com/?page=series&genre=OTR-Comedy&series=The%20Goon%20Show
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
Peak Warming Man said:That’s him, legend.
Still have the Goon tapes somewhere.
206 episodes of The Goon Show for listening or downloading here:
https://www.radioechoes.com/?page=series&genre=OTR-Comedy&series=The%20Goon%20Show
:) that’s the rest of the day sewn up.
Russian soldiers in Svatove (front line city, important rail hub, vital to Russian supply) complaining about lack of training.
Allowed three rounds each on the firing range, on the front lie eleven days after call-up.
https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2022/10/13/russian-recruits-video-ukraine-training-ebof-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/erin-burnett-outfront/
captain_spalding said:
Russian soldiers in Svatove (front line city, important rail hub, vital to Russian supply) complaining about lack of training.Allowed three rounds each on the firing range, on the front lie eleven days after call-up.
https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2022/10/13/russian-recruits-video-ukraine-training-ebof-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/erin-burnett-outfront/
It is going to be messy.
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:Still have the Goon tapes somewhere.
206 episodes of The Goon Show for listening or downloading here:
https://www.radioechoes.com/?page=series&genre=OTR-Comedy&series=The%20Goon%20Show
:) that’s the rest of the day sewn up.
Recording quality is a bit variable, particularly with early episodes, but generally pretty good.
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
Russian soldiers in Svatove (front line city, important rail hub, vital to Russian supply) complaining about lack of training.Allowed three rounds each on the firing range, on the front lie eleven days after call-up.
https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2022/10/13/russian-recruits-video-ukraine-training-ebof-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/erin-burnett-outfront/
It is going to be messy.
And with Ukraine just now getting a full division’s worth of soldiers back from proper training in Britain…
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
Russian soldiers in Svatove (front line city, important rail hub, vital to Russian supply) complaining about lack of training.Allowed three rounds each on the firing range, on the front lie eleven days after call-up.
https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2022/10/13/russian-recruits-video-ukraine-training-ebof-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/erin-burnett-outfront/
It is going to be messy.
And with Ukraine just now getting a full division’s worth of soldiers back from proper training in Britain…
I looked into that, this is the “second lot” of trained soldiers coming back to Ukraine, it is 10,000 soldiers all up.
The bodybags of untrained mobilized Russian men are starting to come home from Ukraine — including to big cities like Moscow. Even the Z propagandists are getting upset. Here is the 28yo former head of dept in Moscow city gov’t, drafted Sept 23, killed Oct 10.
Dark Orange said:
The bodybags of untrained mobilized Russian men are starting to come home from Ukraine — including to big cities like Moscow. Even the Z propagandists are getting upset. Here is the 28yo former head of dept in Moscow city gov’t, drafted Sept 23, killed Oct 10.
Not sure even with decent training how much chance a infantry soldier would have against modern weapons, better than untrained but the odds wouldn’t be good.
Cymek said:
Dark Orange said:
The bodybags of untrained mobilized Russian men are starting to come home from Ukraine — including to big cities like Moscow. Even the Z propagandists are getting upset. Here is the 28yo former head of dept in Moscow city gov’t, drafted Sept 23, killed Oct 10.
Not sure even with decent training how much chance a infantry soldier would have against modern weapons, better than untrained but the odds wouldn’t be good.
That’s why the use of drones and robots.
roughbarked said:
Cymek said:
Dark Orange said:
The bodybags of untrained mobilized Russian men are starting to come home from Ukraine — including to big cities like Moscow. Even the Z propagandists are getting upset. Here is the 28yo former head of dept in Moscow city gov’t, drafted Sept 23, killed Oct 10.
Not sure even with decent training how much chance a infantry soldier would have against modern weapons, better than untrained but the odds wouldn’t be good.
That’s why the use of drones and robots.
Yes can see them replacing humans, they can react quicker than us for a start.
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:
Cymek said:Not sure even with decent training how much chance a infantry soldier would have against modern weapons, better than untrained but the odds wouldn’t be good.
That’s why the use of drones and robots.
Yes can see them replacing humans, they can react quicker than us for a start.
See Robot Wars presented by Dara Ó Briain.
roughbarked said:
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:That’s why the use of drones and robots.
Yes can see them replacing humans, they can react quicker than us for a start.
See Robot Wars presented by Dara Ó Briain.
The battle arena one ?
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:
Cymek said:Yes can see them replacing humans, they can react quicker than us for a start.
See Robot Wars presented by Dara Ó Briain.
The battle arena one ?
Yeah.
roughbarked said:
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:See Robot Wars presented by Dara Ó Briain.
The battle arena one ?
Yeah.
They are impressive especially with the resources and restrictions in place
roughbarked said:
Cymek said:
Dark Orange said:
The bodybags of untrained mobilized Russian men are starting to come home from Ukraine — including to big cities like Moscow. Even the Z propagandists are getting upset. Here is the 28yo former head of dept in Moscow city gov’t, drafted Sept 23, killed Oct 10.
Not sure even with decent training how much chance a infantry soldier would have against modern weapons, better than untrained but the odds wouldn’t be good.
That’s why the use of drones and robots.
But young men are a cheaper resource than drones and robots, especially if you don’t invest a lot in training them but just ship them straight to the front.
And Russia has always found them easier to replace than hardware. You just send ‘the authorities’ around to round them up.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
Cymek said:Not sure even with decent training how much chance a infantry soldier would have against modern weapons, better than untrained but the odds wouldn’t be good.
That’s why the use of drones and robots.
But young men are a cheaper resource than drones and robots, especially if you don’t invest a lot in training them but just ship them straight to the front.
And Russia has always found them easier to replace than hardware. You just send ‘the authorities’ around to round them up.
How much does the average ordinance that Russia is tossing willy nilly over the fence cost?
I know a javelin costs more than 100 grand.
captain_spalding said:
young men are a cheaper resource than drones and robots, especially if you don’t invest a lot
well, at first at least
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:That’s why the use of drones and robots.
But young men are a cheaper resource than drones and robots, especially if you don’t invest a lot in training them but just ship them straight to the front.
And Russia has always found them easier to replace than hardware. You just send ‘the authorities’ around to round them up.
How much does the average ordinance that Russia is tossing willy nilly over the fence cost?
I know a javelin costs more than 100 grand.
Yeah humanity can’t afford warfare anymore
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:That’s why the use of drones and robots.
But young men are a cheaper resource than drones and robots, especially if you don’t invest a lot in training them but just ship them straight to the front.
And Russia has always found them easier to replace than hardware. You just send ‘the authorities’ around to round them up.
How much does the average ordinance that Russia is tossing willy nilly over the fence cost?
I know a javelin costs more than 100 grand.
Hard to get a per-missile price, but there’s suggestions that it’s about $US 3 million per missile.
A ‘missile battery’ of the 9K720 Iskander ((NATO: SS-26 “Stone”) a road-mobile short-range ballistic missile (SRBM)) is $120 million per battery.
For that you get 6 launch vehicles, 24 missiles, plus command and support vehicles.
At $ US 3 million per missile, that’s $ US 72 million for the missiles, leaving $US 48 million for the vehicles.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:But young men are a cheaper resource than drones and robots, especially if you don’t invest a lot in training them but just ship them straight to the front.
And Russia has always found them easier to replace than hardware. You just send ‘the authorities’ around to round them up.
How much does the average ordinance that Russia is tossing willy nilly over the fence cost?
I know a javelin costs more than 100 grand.
Hard to get a per-missile price, but there’s suggestions that it’s about $US 3 million per missile.
A ‘missile battery’ of the 9K720 Iskander ((NATO: SS-26 “Stone”) a road-mobile short-range ballistic missile (SRBM)) is $120 million per battery.
For that you get 6 launch vehicles, 24 missiles, plus command and support vehicles.
At $ US 3 million per missile, that’s $ US 72 million for the missiles, leaving $US 48 million for the vehicles.
The Zumwalt class destroyers had expensive shells
In November 2016, the Navy moved to cancel procurement of the LRLAP, citing per-shell cost increases to $800,000–$1 million
Cymek said:
The Zumwalt class destroyers had expensive shells
In November 2016, the Navy moved to cancel procurement of the LRLAP, citing per-shell cost increases to $800,000–$1 million
Chalk up another one against the Zumwalt class.
It looks like they’re another of those ‘concept’ designs which look ok on paper, and even better when you’ve had a long and enjoyable lunch with the designers/primary bidders, and one or two or three get built, and sure, they have some good points, but then you realise they’re design in search of a purpose, and no-one can really work out just what that is.
Cymek said:
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
How much does the average ordinance that Russia is tossing willy nilly over the fence cost?
I know a javelin costs more than 100 grand.
Hard to get a per-missile price, but there’s suggestions that it’s about $US 3 million per missile.
A ‘missile battery’ of the 9K720 Iskander ((NATO: SS-26 “Stone”) a road-mobile short-range ballistic missile (SRBM)) is $120 million per battery.
For that you get 6 launch vehicles, 24 missiles, plus command and support vehicles.
At $ US 3 million per missile, that’s $ US 72 million for the missiles, leaving $US 48 million for the vehicles.
The Zumwalt class destroyers had expensive shells
In November 2016, the Navy moved to cancel procurement of the LRLAP, citing per-shell cost increases to $800,000–$1 million
The Economy Must Grow ¡
captain_spalding said:
Russian soldiers in Svatove (front line city, important rail hub, vital to Russian supply) complaining about lack of training.Allowed three rounds each on the firing range, on the front lie eleven days after call-up.
https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2022/10/13/russian-recruits-video-ukraine-training-ebof-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/erin-burnett-outfront/
!!!
They’d be so scared.
Dark Orange said:
The bodybags of untrained mobilized Russian men are starting to come home from Ukraine — including to big cities like Moscow. Even the Z propagandists are getting upset. Here is the 28yo former head of dept in Moscow city gov’t, drafted Sept 23, killed Oct 10.
!!!
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:That’s why the use of drones and robots.
But young men are a cheaper resource than drones and robots, especially if you don’t invest a lot in training them but just ship them straight to the front.
And Russia has always found them easier to replace than hardware. You just send ‘the authorities’ around to round them up.
How much does the average ordinance that Russia is tossing willy nilly over the fence cost?
I know a javelin costs more than 100 grand.
Those cruise missiles they used the other day were estimated in the hundreds of millions of dollars worth. (The most expensive kh-101 were over $10M each)
This chip from Kh-101 ALCM, which tried to hit Klitschko bridge on October 10, was made in March 2019, i.e. the missile was even newer.
As a rule, the oldest things are used up first. The production is 3 missiles a month. Means Russia has only a few dozen Kh-101s left.
Dark Orange said:
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:How much does the average ordinance that Russia is tossing willy nilly over the fence cost?
I know a javelin costs more than 100 grand.
Those cruise missiles they used the other day were estimated in the hundreds of millions of dollars worth. (The most expensive kh-101 were over $10M each)
This chip from Kh-101 ALCM, which tried to hit Klitschko bridge on October 10, was made in March 2019, i.e. the missile was even newer.
As a rule, the oldest things are used up first. The production is 3 missiles a month. Means Russia has only a few dozen Kh-101s left.
Nice to know.
https://jamestown.org/program/russias-demographic-collapse-is-accelerating/
Russia’s population declined by 433000 in five months.
If it continues like that it would mean over 1 million in a year.
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
Russian soldiers in Svatove (front line city, important rail hub, vital to Russian supply) complaining about lack of training.Allowed three rounds each on the firing range, on the front lie eleven days after call-up.
https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2022/10/13/russian-recruits-video-ukraine-training-ebof-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/erin-burnett-outfront/
!!!
They’d be so scared.
Three rounds each… jfc
dv said:
https://jamestown.org/program/russias-demographic-collapse-is-accelerating/Russia’s population declined by 433000 in five months.
If it continues like that it would mean over 1 million in a year.
Russia come for the vodka, leave because of the war lying Western pig dogs
“An hour ago, the orcs decided to shell Kharkiv.
But all 3 rockets self-destructed during launch, and one hit a residential building in Belgorod.
A big thank you from the Armed Forces to the S-300 operator in Russia. We will be grateful if you all let the rockets fall on your heads.”
Dark Orange said:
“An hour ago, the orcs decided to shell Kharkiv.But all 3 rockets self-destructed during launch, and one hit a residential building in Belgorod.
A big thank you from the Armed Forces to the S-300 operator in Russia. We will be grateful if you all let the rockets fall on your heads.”
Might impress the locals?
roughbarked said:
Dark Orange said:
“An hour ago, the orcs decided to shell Kharkiv.But all 3 rockets self-destructed during launch, and one hit a residential building in Belgorod.
A big thank you from the Armed Forces to the S-300 operator in Russia. We will be grateful if you all let the rockets fall on your heads.”
Might impress the locals?
Will be spun as a Uke attack.
Dark Orange said:
roughbarked said:
Dark Orange said:
“An hour ago, the orcs decided to shell Kharkiv.But all 3 rockets self-destructed during launch, and one hit a residential building in Belgorod.
A big thank you from the Armed Forces to the S-300 operator in Russia. We will be grateful if you all let the rockets fall on your heads.”
Might impress the locals?
Will be spun as a Uke attack.
Is it within range of the Uke batteries?
I didn’t see a death toll from this.
What’s up with Kim? Is he missing the limelight or is it all part of the commo plan to destabilise the west?
Kherson 15/3 sunny , clear skies
Lviv 16/ 6 partly cloudy
Kiev 13/ 3 cloudy
Kharkov 11/2 partly cloudy
Things have cooled off
wookiemeister said:
Kherson 15/3 sunny , clear skiesLviv 16/ 6 partly cloudy
Kiev 13/ 3 cloudy
Kharkov 11/2 partly cloudy
Things have cooled off
Probably going to be some very cold Russian troops.
The 14 day forecast for kherson doesn’t see any rain till 28/10
If it stays dry presumably uko forces can continue eastwards ( but word is the whole thing has stalled after taking heavy casualties.)
The lige has stabilised with russian forces slowly moving forward again and starting to encircle bakhmut.
Dark Orange said:
wookiemeister said:
Kherson 15/3 sunny , clear skiesLviv 16/ 6 partly cloudy
Kiev 13/ 3 cloudy
Kharkov 11/2 partly cloudy
Things have cooled off
Probably going to be some very cold Russian troops.
If anything uko forces are wearing trainers whilst they russians are wearing boots.
Ive not seen any more news about power network strikes – the uko gov is not saying much
wookiemeister said:
Dark Orange said:
wookiemeister said:
Kherson 15/3 sunny , clear skiesLviv 16/ 6 partly cloudy
Kiev 13/ 3 cloudy
Kharkov 11/2 partly cloudy
Things have cooled off
Probably going to be some very cold Russian troops.
I doubt itIf anything uko forces are wearing trainers whilst they russians are wearing boots.
Ive not seen any more news about power network strikes – the uko gov is not saying much
The Russians have stopped hitting the power network and have gone back to taking out residential buildings. (Including buildings within Russia)
Although it is the conscripts I feel sorry for. Read a story of 100 conscripts mobilised on 23rd September, only 10 survive.
Vladimir Putin says no need for massive new strikes on Ukraine. He’s decided he’ll use the rest up on his own civilians.
ABC News:
‘Norway detains Russian man found with drones after recent sightings near offshore oil and gas platforms’
‘On Friday, the suspect — who had confessed to flying a drone in Norway — was ordered to be held in custody for two weeks.
Customs officers found two drones and several electronic storage devices in his luggage during a routine check at the Storskog border crossing’
‘on Friday, local time, Norwegian police investigated reports of a drone that was seen flying over the Kaarstoe gas-processing plant in the country’s south-west, in potential violation of security protocols…’
‘Even before the Nord Stream incidents, Norway’s Petroleum Safety Authority (PSA) had warned energy companies to be vigilant for unidentified drones.’
‘Norway is now Europe’s largest gas supplier after a sharp reduction in flows from Russia.’
Sort of puts Russia back up as lead suspect for gas supply sabotage, doesn’t it?
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:Sort of puts Russia back up as lead suspect for gas supply sabotage, doesn’t it?
It does most certainly look very suspiciously like exactly that.
“Several Russian mini bloggers who were particularly critical of Russian forces tactics on the battlefield have suddenly gone missing.”
Looks like several Russian bloggers will have their chance to witness military tactics first hand.
Dark Orange said:
“Several Russian mini bloggers who were particularly critical of Russian forces tactics on the battlefield have suddenly gone missing.”
Looks like several Russian bloggers will have their chance to witness military tactics first hand.
Dark Orange said:
“Several Russian mini bloggers who were particularly critical of Russian forces tactics on the battlefield have suddenly gone missing.”
Looks like several Russian bloggers will have their chance to witness military tactics first hand.
I disagree with Biden when he said that Poo-tin had simply made a mistake.
I reckon he’s a total megalomaniac. As bad or could be worse than Hitler.
roughbarked said:
Dark Orange said:“Several Russian mini bloggers who were particularly critical of Russian forces tactics on the battlefield have suddenly gone missing.”
Looks like several Russian bloggers will have their chance to witness military tactics first hand.
I disagree with Biden when he said that Poo-tin had simply made a mistake.
I reckon he’s a total megalomaniac. As bad or could be worse than Hitler.
Dark Orange said:
“Several Russian mini bloggers who were particularly critical of Russian forces tactics on the battlefield have suddenly gone missing.”
Looks like several Russian bloggers will have their chance to witness military tactics first hand.
Dark Orange said:
wookiemeister said:
Dark Orange said:Probably going to be some very cold Russian troops.
I doubt itIf anything uko forces are wearing trainers whilst they russians are wearing boots.
Ive not seen any more news about power network strikes – the uko gov is not saying much
The Russians have stopped hitting the power network and have gone back to taking out residential buildings. (Including buildings within Russia)
Although it is the conscripts I feel sorry for. Read a story of 100 conscripts mobilised on 23rd September, only 10 survive.
They really are “Putin’s cannon fodder”.
This really, really, really upsets me. Putin kills and maims close to 200,000 people for what? Neo-imperialism?
And it it likely to get far worse before it gets better.
:(
Dark Orange said:
Dark Orange said:“Several Russian mini bloggers who were particularly critical of Russian forces tactics on the battlefield have suddenly gone missing.”
Looks like several Russian bloggers will have their chance to witness military tactics first hand.
Kristina Potupchick?
Michael V said:
Dark Orange said:
wookiemeister said:I doubt it
If anything uko forces are wearing trainers whilst they russians are wearing boots.
Ive not seen any more news about power network strikes – the uko gov is not saying much
The Russians have stopped hitting the power network and have gone back to taking out residential buildings. (Including buildings within Russia)
Although it is the conscripts I feel sorry for. Read a story of 100 conscripts mobilised on 23rd September, only 10 survive.
They really are “Putin’s cannon fodder”.
This really, really, really upsets me. Putin kills and maims close to 200,000 people for what? Neo-imperialism?
And it it likely to get far worse before it gets better.
:(
Supposedly, of his own people.
roughbarked said:
Dark Orange said:
Dark Orange said:“Several Russian mini bloggers who were particularly critical of Russian forces tactics on the battlefield have suddenly gone missing.”
Looks like several Russian bloggers will have their chance to witness military tactics first hand.
Kristina Potupchick?
‘Hey, Potupchick, what’s up, chick?’
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:
‘Norway detains Russian man found with drones after recent sightings near offshore oil and gas platforms’‘On Friday, the suspect — who had confessed to flying a drone in Norway — was ordered to be held in custody for two weeks.
Customs officers found two drones and several electronic storage devices in his luggage during a routine check at the Storskog border crossing’
‘on Friday, local time, Norwegian police investigated reports of a drone that was seen flying over the Kaarstoe gas-processing plant in the country’s south-west, in potential violation of security protocols…’
‘Even before the Nord Stream incidents, Norway’s Petroleum Safety Authority (PSA) had warned energy companies to be vigilant for unidentified drones.’
‘Norway is now Europe’s largest gas supplier after a sharp reduction in flows from Russia.’
Sort of puts Russia back up as lead suspect for gas supply sabotage, doesn’t it?
Sure seems so.
Dark Orange said:
“Several Russian mini bloggers who were particularly critical of Russian forces tactics on the battlefield have suddenly gone missing.”
Looks like several Russian bloggers will have their chance to witness military tactics first hand.
Probably.
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:
Dark Orange said:The Russians have stopped hitting the power network and have gone back to taking out residential buildings. (Including buildings within Russia)
Although it is the conscripts I feel sorry for. Read a story of 100 conscripts mobilised on 23rd September, only 10 survive.
They really are “Putin’s cannon fodder”.
This really, really, really upsets me. Putin kills and maims close to 200,000 people for what? Neo-imperialism?
And it it likely to get far worse before it gets better.
:(
Supposedly, of his own people.
Russians manage to bomb their own power station
(Nexta (pronounced niekh-ta, Belarusian pronunciation: ) is a Belarusian media outlet that is primarily distributed through Telegram and YouTube channels. The YouTube channel was founded by then 17-year-old student Stsiapan Putsila. The channel’s headquarters are located in Warsaw, Poland, after its founder went into exile.)
captain_spalding said:
Russians manage to bomb their own power station
(Nexta (pronounced niekh-ta, Belarusian pronunciation: ) is a Belarusian media outlet that is primarily distributed through Telegram and YouTube channels. The YouTube channel was founded by then 17-year-old student Stsiapan Putsila. The channel’s headquarters are located in Warsaw, Poland, after its founder went into exile.)
Mybe they just programmed ‘Power stations’ into the aiming system. Someone left out the word ‘Ukranian’. Maybe it was because the programmer was told that they are all Russian ppower stations now?
Interesting, if true…
“A member of Russia’s Security Service (FSB) and a member of the Russian mercenary organization Wagner have requested asylum in France. Testimonies provided will shed light on Russia’s war crimes in Ukraine.”
Dark Orange said:
Interesting, if true…
“A member of Russia’s Security Service (FSB) and a member of the Russian mercenary organization Wagner have requested asylum in France. Testimonies provided will shed light on Russia’s war crimes in Ukraine.”
Let’s hope it is true.
Gifts from the Kremlin: the invaders left an arsenal of weapons in the Kherson region
According to the SBU, the warehouse was found in the house of culture in the village of Bolshaya Aleksandrovka.
Under Lend-Lease, the Armed Forces of Ukraine passed:
-over 500 artillery shells and ammunition for Grad and Uragan multiple launch rocket systems;
-more than a hundred anti-tank guided missiles and anti-tank mines.
Thank you, “partners”, we will burn you even harder with your own weapons!
captain_spalding said:
Gifts from the Kremlin: the invaders left an arsenal of weapons in the Kherson regionAccording to the SBU, the warehouse was found in the house of culture in the village of Bolshaya Aleksandrovka.
Under Lend-Lease, the Armed Forces of Ukraine passed:
-over 500 artillery shells and ammunition for Grad and Uragan multiple launch rocket systems;
-more than a hundred anti-tank guided missiles and anti-tank mines.
Thank you, “partners”, we will burn you even harder with your own weapons!
even a couple of free bash hats.
I have been doing a bit of catching up this morning, and there seems to be a feeling among the pundits that the Crimean bridge thing has ended the Russian’s chances of keeping the south east.
There are no trains going over the bridge, trucks are backed up hundreds of kilometres, and there are no alternate supply routes that are not within Ukrainian artillery range.
The only real logistical routes are via road, (Novoazovsk-Mariupol-Berdyansk-Melitopol) which there is apparently no sign that the Russians are currently doing.
Conclusion: The Russian’s southern front has had no means of resupplying of personnel or ammunition for a week, and that is not going to change soon.
Dark Orange said:
I have been doing a bit of catching up this morning, and there seems to be a feeling among the pundits that the Crimean bridge thing has ended the Russian’s chances of keeping the south east.
There are no trains going over the bridge, trucks are backed up hundreds of kilometres, and there are no alternate supply routes that are not within Ukrainian artillery range.
The only real logistical routes are via road, (Novoazovsk-Mariupol-Berdyansk-Melitopol) which there is apparently no sign that the Russians are currently doing.
Conclusion: The Russian’s southern front has had no means of resupplying of personnel or ammunition for a week, and that is not going to change soon.
Pretty much what I am hearing and reading too. There is the option of using ships, but they would be vulnerable to attack too, assuming that the Russians even have enough of them in the first place.
Dark Orange said:
I have been doing a bit of catching up this morning, and there seems to be a feeling among the pundits that the Crimean bridge thing has ended the Russian’s chances of keeping the south east.
There are no trains going over the bridge, trucks are backed up hundreds of kilometres, and there are no alternate supply routes that are not within Ukrainian artillery range.
The only real logistical routes are via road, (Novoazovsk-Mariupol-Berdyansk-Melitopol) which there is apparently no sign that the Russians are currently doing.
Conclusion: The Russian’s southern front has had no means of resupplying of personnel or ammunition for a week, and that is not going to change soon.
If the Ukrainians can also push through to Svatove in Donetsk (and they’re working on it), or even interdict the movement of rail traffic through there, that’s really going to strangle Russian supply.
Dark Orange said:
I have been doing a bit of catching up this morning, and there seems to be a feeling among the pundits that the Crimean bridge thing has ended the Russian’s chances of keeping the south east.
There are no trains going over the bridge, trucks are backed up hundreds of kilometres, and there are no alternate supply routes that are not within Ukrainian artillery range.
The only real logistical routes are via road, (Novoazovsk-Mariupol-Berdyansk-Melitopol) which there is apparently no sign that the Russians are currently doing.
Conclusion: The Russian’s southern front has had no means of resupplying of personnel or ammunition for a week, and that is not going to change soon.
Good!
Dark Orange said:
I have been doing a bit of catching up this morning, and there seems to be a feeling among the pundits that the Crimean bridge thing has ended the Russian’s chances of keeping the south east.
There are no trains going over the bridge, trucks are backed up hundreds of kilometres, and there are no alternate supply routes that are not within Ukrainian artillery range.
The only real logistical routes are via road, (Novoazovsk-Mariupol-Berdyansk-Melitopol) which there is apparently no sign that the Russians are currently doing.
Conclusion: The Russian’s southern front has had no means of resupplying of personnel or ammunition for a week, and that is not going to change soon.
None of them want to risk the drive through Mariupol.
Kiev 13 / 1 mostly cloudy
Kherson 14/3 mostly sunny
Lviv 17/7 partly cloudy
Kharkiv 11/0 mostly sunny
Ground is starting to harden to the east, weather is still nice in the west.
A Ukrainian woman buries the body of her son in a bomb crater in her back yard in Kupiansk.
Another sad story of needless and unnecessary violence against defenceless civilians.
Russian soldiers murdered her son, then threw her in a river after deciding not to shoot her.
More distant voices that will hopefully be heard once the war crime trials start.
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1581048966476537856
Dark Orange said:
A Ukrainian woman buries the body of her son in a bomb crater in her back yard in Kupiansk.
Ah least the Russians coughed up for the hole.
roughbarked said:
Dark Orange said:A Ukrainian woman buries the body of her son in a bomb crater in her back yard in Kupiansk.
Ah least the Russians coughed up for the hole.
We don’t need to look to Ukraine for tragedy.
We have enough of our own.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2mf8DtWWd8&feature=share&utm_source=EJGixIgBCJiu2KjB4oSJEQ
Weird picture
A lady has buried her son and yet has not ONE bit of mud on her, her feet are immaculate and she’s wearing flip flops
Another picture floating around Russia’s war crimes: there’s 4 cars flipped over onto their roofs from an enormous explosion , none of the buildings perhaps 20m away are damaged, no broken windows blasted in – its almost if the pictures staged.
I don’t see ANY damage caused by an artillery shell landing, no broken branches / damaged foliage
wookiemeister said:
Weird pictureA lady has buried her son and yet has not ONE bit of mud on her, her feet are immaculate and she’s wearing flip flops
Another picture floating around Russia’s war crimes: there’s 4 cars flipped over onto their roofs from an enormous explosion , none of the buildings perhaps 20m away are damaged, no broken windows blasted in – its almost if the pictures staged.
Staged pictures, during a war?
I’m fairly a bomb going off will cause more damage around it than a neat hole
wookiemeister said:
I don’t see ANY damage caused by an artillery shell landing, no broken branches / damaged foliage
Pump your fucking brakes Alex Jones
Peak Warming Man said:
wookiemeister said:
Weird pictureA lady has buried her son and yet has not ONE bit of mud on her, her feet are immaculate and she’s wearing flip flops
Another picture floating around Russia’s war crimes: there’s 4 cars flipped over onto their roofs from an enormous explosion , none of the buildings perhaps 20m away are damaged, no broken windows blasted in – its almost if the pictures staged.
Staged pictures, during a war?
Some have said the black and white pictures from the Crimean war may have been staged ( cannon balls in the wrong place). Just like old times I guess.
dv said:
wookiemeister said:
I don’t see ANY damage caused by an artillery shell landing, no broken branches / damaged foliage
Pump your fucking brakes Alex Jones
wookiemeister said:
Weird pictureA lady has buried her son and yet has not ONE bit of mud on her, her feet are immaculate and she’s wearing flip flops
Another picture floating around Russia’s war crimes: there’s 4 cars flipped over onto their roofs from an enormous explosion , none of the buildings perhaps 20m away are damaged, no broken windows blasted in – its almost if the pictures staged.
The lady burying her son: yeah, it might be a little suspect. But no-one said she did it single-handed. Perhaps she dug the first few shovels-full, ceremonial-like, and then others took over. Even those awful Ukrainians might stop short of letting an old lady dig a grave single-handed.
And perhaps the cars were staged. Although i doubt that they’d have to go to that much effort under the circumstances. Odd that a lot of windows weren’t broken, yes, but blast effects are a funny thing. I’ve seen corpses entirely denuded of clothing by blast (killed by concussion), but without another mark on them.
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:
Weird pictureA lady has buried her son and yet has not ONE bit of mud on her, her feet are immaculate and she’s wearing flip flops
Another picture floating around Russia’s war crimes: there’s 4 cars flipped over onto their roofs from an enormous explosion , none of the buildings perhaps 20m away are damaged, no broken windows blasted in – its almost if the pictures staged.
The lady burying her son: yeah, it might be a little suspect. But no-one said she did it single-handed. Perhaps she dug the first few shovels-full, ceremonial-like, and then others took over. Even those awful Ukrainians might stop short of letting an old lady dig a grave single-handed.
And perhaps the cars were staged. Although i doubt that they’d have to go to that much effort under the circumstances. Odd that a lot of windows weren’t broken, yes, but blast effects are a funny thing. I’ve seen corpses entirely denuded of clothing by blast (killed by concussion), but without another mark on them.
there is nothing in the caption to say she dug the grave. Plus it looks like she is just putting the crtoss on it.
Go on the internet – you’ll find footage of them filming the fake footage, then see the magazine cover pictures
Its all lies I’m afraid
Just like Afghanistan
Just like Iraq
Just like Vietnam
Just like every other war I’m afraid.
Google : remember the Maine
A slogan of the Spanish-American War. The United States battleship Maine mysteriously exploded and sank in the harbor of Havana, Cuba, in 1898. Stirred up by the yellow press (see yellow journalism), the American public blamed the sinking on Spain, which then owned Cuba.
Blast effects also depends a lot on the explosive, and the place where the ka-boom happens.
Some explosives tend to blow ‘up’. Some tend to blow ‘down’, and some to blow ‘out’.
And the effects are different if it happens on e.g. a soft, turned-soil surface, or a hard paved surface. Or flat on the ground, or against a wall. Or this, or that, or the other thing.
It might do this here, but do something quite different there.
captain_spalding said:
Blast effects also depends a lot on the explosive, and the place where the ka-boom happens.Some explosives tend to blow ‘up’. Some tend to blow ‘down’, and some to blow ‘out’.
And the effects are different if it happens on e.g. a soft, turned-soil surface, or a hard paved surface. Or flat on the ground, or against a wall. Or this, or that, or the other thing.
It might do this here, but do something quite different there.
Any picture coming out of ukraine should be treated with caution
wookiemeister said:
I’d assume all that soft soil would go flying like shrapnel , it shreds bushes, blinds you, penetrative, concussion waves.
Any picture coming out of ukraine should be treated with caution
Like i say, sometimes stuff goes ‘up’, sometimes it goes ‘down’ (not a lot of bits flying about), and sometimes it goes ‘round about’.
‘Tin hats’ were introduced to the British Army well after the start of fighting in WW1. This was because artillery explosions threw the French soil high into the air, and many casualties occurred from rocks and large clods of earth descending on the heads of men wearing peaked cloth caps, which were the headgear of the time.
So steel helmets were proposed, but (you won’t be surprised to hear) initially resisted by senior officers as being ‘detrimental to the morale of the men’. However, medical officers quickly produced statistics which showed the dramatic reduction in numbers of head injuries among men in helmets, and the decisions was swayed.
The thing about explosions is that you never know what hand one will deal you. I had a personal friend who was buried by an arty blast right at the start of the Yom Kippur war. Three of his companions were never seen again. He dug himself out, unharmed (at least not physically).
On 6 June 1944, Corporal Joe Toye of the famous E Company 506 Regt 101 Airborne had a German grenade explode right behind him in a trench. He received not a scratch from it.
There’s lots of situations you can look at, and say ‘it can’t be so’.
Demolition Dave Drilling and Blasting
I watch a few blasts by this melbourne guy.
ChrispenEvan said:
Demolition Dave Drilling and BlastingI watch a few blasts by this melbourne guy.
Demolitionists are a breed of artist really, with the ways they can control their ‘medium’.
captain_spalding said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Demolition Dave Drilling and BlastingI watch a few blasts by this melbourne guy.
Demolitionists are a breed of artist really, with the ways they can control their ‘medium’.
And they are all different in their way, those from the west will size up a building, get the plans and column loadings and then look up a set of tables to determine explosive quantities.
Whereas say someone from the Taliban will just see an abandoned car by the roadside and say ‘that’s the one” it’s a gift.
Peak Warming Man said:
captain_spalding said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Demolition Dave Drilling and BlastingI watch a few blasts by this melbourne guy.
Demolitionists are a breed of artist really, with the ways they can control their ‘medium’.
And they are all different in their way, those from the west will size up a building, get the plans and column loadings and then look up a set of tables to determine explosive quantities.
Whereas say someone from the Taliban will just see an abandoned car by the roadside and say ‘that’s the one” it’s a gift.
As someone who was very close to killed in the Canberra Hospital Implosion (cough), let’s just say I’m not a fan of the incompetent ones.
sibeen said:
Peak Warming Man said:
captain_spalding said:Demolitionists are a breed of artist really, with the ways they can control their ‘medium’.
And they are all different in their way, those from the west will size up a building, get the plans and column loadings and then look up a set of tables to determine explosive quantities.
Whereas say someone from the Taliban will just see an abandoned car by the roadside and say ‘that’s the one” it’s a gift.
As someone who was very close to killed in the Canberra Hospital Implosion (cough), let’s just say I’m not a fan of the incompetent ones.
Dave is pretty good but he doesn’t do buildings. He clears rock for sewerage , drains, swimming pools etc. most suburban and covered. He also does a few forestry ones out bush and those are usually uncovered and a lot more fun to watch.
wookiemeister said:
I don’t see ANY damage caused by an artillery shell landing, no broken branches / damaged foliage
There’s a lot you don’t seem to see.
wookiemeister said:
I’m fairly a bomb going off will cause more damage around it than a neat hole
There’s a word you left out there which I am sure you left out for the very reason that you weren’t.
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:I’d assume all that soft soil would go flying like shrapnel , it shreds bushes, blinds you, penetrative, concussion waves.
Any picture coming out of ukraine should be treated with caution
Like i say, sometimes stuff goes ‘up’, sometimes it goes ‘down’ (not a lot of bits flying about), and sometimes it goes ‘round about’.
‘Tin hats’ were introduced to the British Army well after the start of fighting in WW1. This was because artillery explosions threw the French soil high into the air, and many casualties occurred from rocks and large clods of earth descending on the heads of men wearing peaked cloth caps, which were the headgear of the time.
So steel helmets were proposed, but (you won’t be surprised to hear) initially resisted by senior officers as being ‘detrimental to the morale of the men’. However, medical officers quickly produced statistics which showed the dramatic reduction in numbers of head injuries among men in helmets, and the decisions was swayed.
The thing about explosions is that you never know what hand one will deal you. I had a personal friend who was buried by an arty blast right at the start of the Yom Kippur war. Three of his companions were never seen again. He dug himself out, unharmed (at least not physically).
On 6 June 1944, Corporal Joe Toye of the famous E Company 506 Regt 101 Airborne had a German grenade explode right behind him in a trench. He received not a scratch from it.
There’s lots of situations you can look at, and say ‘it can’t be so’.
Say it ain’t so.
Elon Musk briefly on the Ukrainian kill list “Myrotvorets” ( based in langley) in the last 24 hours
People on this list are known to disappear, get hit with car bombs etc
I’d heard they had pulled his name of the list after someone realised it wasn’t a good idea to threaten the owner of the satellite system you are using
wookiemeister said:
Elon Musk briefly on the Ukrainian kill list “Myrotvorets” ( based in langley) in the last 24 hoursPeople on this list are known to disappear, get hit with car bombs etc
I’d heard they had pulled his name of the list after someone realised it wasn’t a good idea to threaten the owner of the satellite system you are using
wookiemeister said:
wookiemeister said:
Elon Musk briefly on the Ukrainian kill list “Myrotvorets” ( based in langley) in the last 24 hoursPeople on this list are known to disappear, get hit with car bombs etc
I’d heard they had pulled his name of the list after someone realised it wasn’t a good idea to threaten the owner of the satellite system you are using
But this is Kremlin disinformation of course
So now you start.
wookiemeister said:
wookiemeister said:
Elon Musk briefly on the Ukrainian kill list “Myrotvorets” ( based in langley) in the last 24 hoursPeople on this list are known to disappear, get hit with car bombs etc
I’d heard they had pulled his name of the list after someone realised it wasn’t a good idea to threaten the owner of the satellite system you are using
But this is Kremlin disinformation of course
Now you’re catching on.
wookiemeister said:
wookiemeister said:
Elon Musk briefly on the Ukrainian kill list “Myrotvorets” ( based in langley) in the last 24 hoursPeople on this list are known to disappear, get hit with car bombs etc
I’d heard they had pulled his name of the list after someone realised it wasn’t a good idea to threaten the owner of the satellite system you are using
But this is Kremlin disinformation of course
wookiemeister said:
wookiemeister said:
wookiemeister said:
Elon Musk briefly on the Ukrainian kill list “Myrotvorets” ( based in langley) in the last 24 hoursPeople on this list are known to disappear, get hit with car bombs etc
I’d heard they had pulled his name of the list after someone realised it wasn’t a good idea to threaten the owner of the satellite system you are using
But this is Kremlin disinformation of course
Tulsi gabbard goes up on the hit list
https://myrotvorets.center/criminal/gabbard-tulsi/
wookiemeister said:
wookiemeister said:
wookiemeister said:But this is Kremlin disinformation of course
Tulsi gabbard goes up on the hit list
https://myrotvorets.center/criminal/gabbard-tulsi/
I wonder if musk or tulsi will be killed in a car bomb ?
Maybe but if they fall out a window… well you know…
Witty Rejoinder said:
wookiemeister said:
wookiemeister said:Tulsi gabbard goes up on the hit list
https://myrotvorets.center/criminal/gabbard-tulsi/
I wonder if musk or tulsi will be killed in a car bomb ?Maybe but if they fall out a window… well you know…
There was some Russian chick doctor who fell out of window I believe during covid
Large protests in Germany against the war – not reported in msm, blackout
Here’s an interesting description of the process of how the Wagner group recruits prisoners.
It also describes the extremely high mortality rates experienced by those ex-prisoners. (Not surprising, considering their footwear)
https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1581186026524975104
More senseless murder.
In Kherson, Russian occupiers killed famous conductor Yuriy Kerpatenko in his own house after he refused to cooperate with them & to perform in their “holiday concert” planned to show “restoration of peaceful life in Kherson”.
https://euromaidanpress.com/2022/10/15/russians-killed-famous-kherson-conductor-who-refused-performing-for-the-occupiers/?swcfpc=1
This would surely be a war crime?
“Moscow is relocating 500 Ukrainian children living in the occupied territory of Kherson Oblast to Russia every day, Russian Deputy Prime Minister Marat Khusnullin said on Oct. 15.”
and more fake news:
Russia reports 11 dead after ‘terrorist attack’ on military volunteers.
Dark Orange said:
Here’s an interesting description of the process of how the Wagner group recruits prisoners.It also describes the extremely high mortality rates experienced by those ex-prisoners. (Not surprising, considering their footwear)
https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1581186026524975104
It’s the WW2 ‘penal battalion’ methodology.
These people have been judged to be not fit to be part of Russian society, so they have no value.
Give them the barest of equipment, and send them to the sound of the guns on the most difficult assignments
If they succeed, well, okay. If they die, no great loss.
Any survivors can be ‘re-organised’ and sent off on the next ‘mission’. Which will be very soon. And the process is repeated over and over.
I think war cries and repatriations of abducted Ukrainians is going to have to be addressed before any sanctions can be lifted. The sanctions might drag on and on for a while even after the fighting on the ground ends.
‘‘Elon Musk U-turns – will continue funding Starlink in Ukraine
Founder of SapceX says although Starlink is losing money, he will ‘just keep funding Ukraine gov’t for free’ a day after suggesting he cannot.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/10/15/in-reversal-musk-says-will-continue-funding-starlink-in-ukraine
Elon should be known by the nickname ‘U-ie’.
Kharkiv -1
Kiev 0
Lviv 6
Kherson 3
No rain, yet
New uko offensive brewing.
Suspected assault on power network happening again (2 weeks from now ?)
captain_spalding said:
‘‘Elon Musk U-turns – will continue funding Starlink in UkraineFounder of SapceX says although Starlink is losing money, he will ‘just keep funding Ukraine gov’t for free’ a day after suggesting he cannot.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/10/15/in-reversal-musk-says-will-continue-funding-starlink-in-ukraine
Elon should be known by the nickname ‘U-ie’.
He should sell up and get out whilst he can – though that will be a hard sell to private investors.
Dark Orange said:
Here’s an interesting description of the process of how the Wagner group recruits prisoners.It also describes the extremely high mortality rates experienced by those ex-prisoners. (Not surprising, considering their footwear)
https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1581186026524975104
party_pants said:
I think war cries and repatriations of abducted Ukrainians is going to have to be addressed before any sanctions can be lifted. The sanctions might drag on and on for a while even after the fighting on the ground ends.
Don’t forget all the war crimes that will need to be addressed. Russia won’t hand over any of those responsible without encouragement. (ref. Igor Girkin)
captain_spalding said:
‘‘Elon Musk U-turns – will continue funding Starlink in UkraineFounder of SapceX says although Starlink is losing money, he will ‘just keep funding Ukraine gov’t for free’ a day after suggesting he cannot.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/10/15/in-reversal-musk-says-will-continue-funding-starlink-in-ukraine
Elon should be known by the nickname ‘U-ie’.
“That Pedo Guy”.
wookiemeister said:
Dark Orange said:
Here’s an interesting description of the process of how the Wagner group recruits prisoners.It also describes the extremely high mortality rates experienced by those ex-prisoners. (Not surprising, considering their footwear)
https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1581186026524975104
For a prisoner in Russia fighting at the front for a pardon if you survive 6 months is a good deal.
They won’t be giving you missions with good chances of survival.
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:
Dark Orange said:
Here’s an interesting description of the process of how the Wagner group recruits prisoners.It also describes the extremely high mortality rates experienced by those ex-prisoners. (Not surprising, considering their footwear)
https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1581186026524975104
For a prisoner in Russia fighting at the front for a pardon if you survive 6 months is a good deal.
They won’t be giving you missions with good chances of survival.
Here is an old saying that I just made up.
A posthumous medal is worth more than no medal at all.
Peak Warming Man said:
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:For a prisoner in Russia fighting at the front for a pardon if you survive 6 months is a good deal.
They won’t be giving you missions with good chances of survival.
Here is an old saying that I just made up.
A posthumous medal is worth more than no medal at all.
A posthumous medal is worth more less than no medal at all. Fixed
wookiemeister said:
Dark Orange said:
Here’s an interesting description of the process of how the Wagner group recruits prisoners.It also describes the extremely high mortality rates experienced by those ex-prisoners. (Not surprising, considering their footwear)
https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1581186026524975104
For a prisoner in Russia fighting at the front for a pardon if you survive 6 months is a good deal.
“Thirty-eight dead, two survived” of the best of them is probably not the best deal going.
Dark Orange said:
wookiemeister said:
Dark Orange said:
Here’s an interesting description of the process of how the Wagner group recruits prisoners.It also describes the extremely high mortality rates experienced by those ex-prisoners. (Not surprising, considering their footwear)
https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1581186026524975104
For a prisoner in Russia fighting at the front for a pardon if you survive 6 months is a good deal.
“Thirty-eight dead, two survived” of the best of them is probably not the best deal going.
wookiemeister said:
Dark Orange said:
Here’s an interesting description of the process of how the Wagner group recruits prisoners.It also describes the extremely high mortality rates experienced by those ex-prisoners. (Not surprising, considering their footwear)
https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1581186026524975104
For a prisoner in Russia fighting at the front for a pardon if you survive 6 months is a good deal.
Their best course of action is to surrender immediately.
Dark Orange said:
party_pants said:
I think war cries and repatriations of abducted Ukrainians is going to have to be addressed before any sanctions can be lifted. The sanctions might drag on and on for a while even after the fighting on the ground ends.
Don’t forget all the war crimes that will need to be addressed. Russia won’t hand over any of those responsible without encouragement. (ref. Igor Girkin)
typo.
I meant war crimes, not war cries.
party_pants said:
Dark Orange said:
party_pants said:
I think war cries and repatriations of abducted Ukrainians is going to have to be addressed before any sanctions can be lifted. The sanctions might drag on and on for a while even after the fighting on the ground ends.
Don’t forget all the war crimes that will need to be addressed. Russia won’t hand over any of those responsible without encouragement. (ref. Igor Girkin)
typo.
I meant war crimes, not war cries.
Ah. I had been struggling to see where the Salvation Army newspaper fitted in.
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:
Dark Orange said:Don’t forget all the war crimes that will need to be addressed. Russia won’t hand over any of those responsible without encouragement. (ref. Igor Girkin)
typo.
I meant war crimes, not war cries.
Ah. I had been struggling to see where the Salvation Army newspaper fitted in.
I rely on spell check to underline errors in red. Sometimes the typing/spelling error ends up with a valid word and so does not get underlined in red. Hence I don’t pick it up before hitting submit. I tend not to pick up the error in proof-reading either, since I read what I think I wrote.
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:typo.
I meant war crimes, not war cries.
Ah. I had been struggling to see where the Salvation Army newspaper fitted in.
I rely on spell check to underline errors in red. Sometimes the typing/spelling error ends up with a valid word and so does not get underlined in red. Hence I don’t pick it up before hitting submit. I tend not to pick up the error in proof-reading either, since I read what I think I wrote.
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:typo.
I meant war crimes, not war cries.
Ah. I had been struggling to see where the Salvation Army newspaper fitted in.
I rely on spell check to underline errors in red. Sometimes the typing/spelling error ends up with a valid word and so does not get underlined in red. Hence I don’t pick it up before hitting submit. I tend not to pick up the error in proof-reading either, since I read what I think I wrote.
Like i can throw stones at someone else’s typing skills…
party_pants said:
wookiemeister said:
Dark Orange said:
Here’s an interesting description of the process of how the Wagner group recruits prisoners.It also describes the extremely high mortality rates experienced by those ex-prisoners. (Not surprising, considering their footwear)
https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1581186026524975104
For a prisoner in Russia fighting at the front for a pardon if you survive 6 months is a good deal.
Their best course of action is to surrender immediately.
wookiemeister said:
party_pants said:
wookiemeister said:For a prisoner in Russia fighting at the front for a pardon if you survive 6 months is a good deal.
Their best course of action is to surrender immediately.
Ukraine / nazis will torture them, kill them in some gruesome way and if they are lucky will be thrown naked into a hole – if not they will end up mutilated and on the internet. You don’t surrender to the ukos – they are war criminals – just find their OWN footage they have filmed on their own phones and uploaded to their OWN sites.
For what it’s worth Australia could just double down and send 500 billion to ukraine. The Australian public service lost its mind decades ago so blowing this kind of money on a lost cause is just another drop in the ocean.
wookiemeister said:
party_pants said:
wookiemeister said:For a prisoner in Russia fighting at the front for a pardon if you survive 6 months is a good deal.
Their best course of action is to surrender immediately.
Ukraine / nazis will torture them, kill them in some gruesome way and if they are lucky will be thrown naked into a hole – if not they will end up mutilated and on the internet. You don’t surrender to the ukos – they are war criminals – just find their OWN footage they have filmed on their own phones and uploaded to their OWN sites.
URLs?
Witty Rejoinder said:
wookiemeister said:
party_pants said:Their best course of action is to surrender immediately.
Ukraine / nazis will torture them, kill them in some gruesome way and if they are lucky will be thrown naked into a hole – if not they will end up mutilated and on the internet. You don’t surrender to the ukos – they are war criminals – just find their OWN footage they have filmed on their own phones and uploaded to their OWN sites.URLs?
do your own research, witty!!!
ChrispenEvan said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
wookiemeister said:Ukraine / nazis will torture them, kill them in some gruesome way and if they are lucky will be thrown naked into a hole – if not they will end up mutilated and on the internet. You don’t surrender to the ukos – they are war criminals – just find their OWN footage they have filmed on their own phones and uploaded to their OWN sites.
URLs?
do your own research, witty!!!
wookiemeister said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Witty Rejoinder said:URLs?
do your own research, witty!!!
Just write something into a search engine , you’ll get millions of hits
wookiemeister said:
Just write something into a search engine , you’ll get millions of hits
I did.
Russian forces have also repeatedly used the S-300 surface-to-air defence missile systems for striking ground targets, which was seen by some observers as a sign of a Russian weapons shortages.
Its repurposing of air defence systems and anti-ship missiles suggests it is running low on more-advanced missiles that are intended to hit ground targets, said a fellow at the Washington-based Center for Strategic and International Studies, Ian Williams.
Mr Williams said strikes from a Russian S-300 air defence system didn’t have the “oomph to really hit hardened military targets” nor the “accuracy in a land attack role to even strike the building you want to hit”.
“This really is just firing them into the ether and seeing where they land,” he said.
Their use, however, could be explained by an abundant stock of older, subtypes of such missiles, which were superseded by more-advanced air defence weapons, as well as the military’s desire to keep more expensive, advanced long-range missiles for priority targets.
While numbers are hard to obtain, how Russia is using its weapons is telling.
It seems the prison recruits are cannon fodder, the civilian recruits are the second line to prevent the cons from running away, and the third line are the regular soldiers to prevent them both from retreating.
https://mobile.twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1581601563432603648
Dark Orange said:
It seems the prison recruits are cannon fodder, the civilian recruits are the second line to prevent the cons from running away, and the third line are the regular soldiers to prevent them both from retreating.
https://mobile.twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1581601563432603648
Still leaves the option of surrendering
dv said:
Dark Orange said:It seems the prison recruits are cannon fodder, the civilian recruits are the second line to prevent the cons from running away, and the third line are the regular soldiers to prevent them both from retreating.
https://mobile.twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1581601563432603648
Still leaves the option of surrendering
dv said:
Dark Orange said:It seems the prison recruits are cannon fodder, the civilian recruits are the second line to prevent the cons from running away, and the third line are the regular soldiers to prevent them both from retreating.
https://mobile.twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1581601563432603648
Still leaves the option of surrendering
Depends on who you are, and what you’ve done.
If you’re one of ‘the Wagner group’, you’d want to pick your time, location, and circumstances.
In WW2, there was more than one Allied unit who would not countenance surrender by SS troops. There was only one fate for them with those units.
When 3 Bn, 504 PIR had to attack across the Waal River to capture the bridge at Nijmegen during Operation Market Garden, the first waves were cut to pieces by German fire. Those that made it across, and surmounted the bank to the German trenches, were in a murderous rage by then. Some Germans who tried to surrender were shoved back into the trench and immediately shot.
dv said:
Dark Orange said:It seems the prison recruits are cannon fodder, the civilian recruits are the second line to prevent the cons from running away, and the third line are the regular soldiers to prevent them both from retreating.
https://mobile.twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1581601563432603648
Still leaves the option of surrendering
2 weeks to winter
Russian mobilisation still seeping into the ranks
I don’t see any real rain over ukraine from weather radar.
Missile strikes still going on, the west don’t report on them, the russians say very little
Talk of making turkey Europe’s energy hub ( harder to sabotage the turkstream pipeline).
Musk backtracks on his position on paying for starlink after being put on a Ukrainian hit list ( the peacemaker)
wookiemeister said:
Musk backtracks on his position on paying for starlink after being put on a Ukrainian hit list ( the peacemaker)
I am sure the US DOD did not have words with Musk about the many options they have to make That Pedo Guy’s association with Starlink a difficult and/or temporary one.
Dark Orange said:
wookiemeister said:Musk backtracks on his position on paying for starlink after being put on a Ukrainian hit list ( the peacemaker)
I am sure the US DOD did not have words with Musk about the many options they have to make That Pedo Guy’s association with Starlink a difficult and/or temporary one.
Word from the front is that everyone that has a starlink dish has paid for it and is paying normal rates for data.
Either Elon is milking it for sympathy or someone is reselling his stuff to the soldiers.
Bunny_Fugger said:
Dark Orange said:
wookiemeister said:Musk backtracks on his position on paying for starlink after being put on a Ukrainian hit list ( the peacemaker)
I am sure the US DOD did not have words with Musk about the many options they have to make That Pedo Guy’s association with Starlink a difficult and/or temporary one.
Word from the front is that everyone that has a starlink dish has paid for it and is paying normal rates for data.
Either Elon is milking it for sympathy or someone is reselling his stuff to the soldiers.
Paying for the bill is probably far less than the numerous donated weapons cost
All them new drones are being used to attack non-military targets in Kyiv I see.
I hope the Iranians didn’t supply them on credit.
Dark Orange said:
All them new drones are being used to attack non-military targets in Kyiv I see.
I hope the Iranians didn’t supply them on credit.
When the Luftwaffe switched its attacks from targetting Fighter Command airfields and the British radar network, and began bombing centres of population instead, it was, firstly, a sign of their frustration at and desperation over the fact that attacks on the airfields and radar hadn’t broken British defence, and, secondly, a godsend for Britain and the RAF, whose Fighter Command was a lot closer to breaking than almost anyone (and certainly not the Germans) realised.
History has a funny way of turning up similarities.
captain_spalding said:
Dark Orange said:All them new drones are being used to attack non-military targets in Kyiv I see.
I hope the Iranians didn’t supply them on credit.
When the Luftwaffe switched its attacks from targetting Fighter Command airfields and the British radar network, and began bombing centres of population instead, it was, firstly, a sign of their frustration at and desperation over the fact that attacks on the airfields and radar hadn’t broken British defence, and, secondly, a godsend for Britain and the RAF, whose Fighter Command was a lot closer to breaking than almost anyone (and certainly not the Germans) realised.
History has a funny way of turning up similarities.
If the russians aren’t hammering the power network they are wasting valuable weapons.
Concentrating fire upon the powerstation switchyards is the most effective way of knocking out the power network. Those kinds of transformers aren’t easily bought or installed, presumably all the buses, isolators and CBs would get all fucked up from shrapnel.
Its what makes Australia so vulnerable, few powerstations, fewer switchyards.
To be fair the russians are hammering uko forces, you are looking around 1000 men a day getting killed or wounded ( or more in an “offensive”).
In some places Russian forces retreat leaving uko forces “punching air” whilst suffering serious losses and gaining no strategic land. In other places the russians move forward or bolster defences.
Dark Orange said:
All them new drones are being used to attack non-military targets in Kyiv I see.
I hope the Iranians didn’t supply them on credit.
wookiemeister said:
To be fair the russians are hammering uko forces, you are looking around 1000 men a day getting killed or wounded ( or more in an “offensive”).In some places Russian forces retreat leaving uko forces “punching air” whilst suffering serious losses and gaining no strategic land. In other places the russians move forward or bolster defences.
The Ukes claim 6.5 Russian casualties for every one Uke. Even allowing for exaggeration, 3:1 kill ratio is pretty damned impressive. Although I assume that number does not include uke civilian casualties.
captain_spalding said:
Dark Orange said:All them new drones are being used to attack non-military targets in Kyiv I see.
I hope the Iranians didn’t supply them on credit.
When the Luftwaffe switched its attacks from targetting Fighter Command airfields and the British radar network, and began bombing centres of population instead, it was, firstly, a sign of their frustration at and desperation over the fact that attacks on the airfields and radar hadn’t broken British defence, and, secondly, a godsend for Britain and the RAF, whose Fighter Command was a lot closer to breaking than almost anyone (and certainly not the Germans) realised.
History has a funny way of turning up similarities.
Yeah, I read where Churchill had claimed they’d only one single working airfield and a handful of planes able to be scrambled and he himself had resigned to the fact that that night’s bombing would end the war for the Brits. But that was the night the Germans decided to bomb the cities instead.
So according to Churchill, the Germans would have won the war if they’d bombed the airfields for one more night.
Dark Orange said:
wookiemeister said:
To be fair the russians are hammering uko forces, you are looking around 1000 men a day getting killed or wounded ( or more in an “offensive”).In some places Russian forces retreat leaving uko forces “punching air” whilst suffering serious losses and gaining no strategic land. In other places the russians move forward or bolster defences.
The Ukes claim 6.5 Russian casualties for every one Uke. Even allowing for exaggeration, 3:1 kill ratio is pretty damned impressive. Although I assume that number does not include uke civilian casualties.
The ukos are being slaughtered by Russian artillery – they complain of rarely seeing the enemy.
The third reich haphazardly bombed the radar stations , thinking they were radio masts.
The original objective was to make a beam weapon to kill the pilots , the microwave was to heat up the pilot and make him collapse at the controls. Instead the microwave was used for range finding
wookiemeister said:
Dark Orange said:
wookiemeister said:
To be fair the russians are hammering uko forces, you are looking around 1000 men a day getting killed or wounded ( or more in an “offensive”).In some places Russian forces retreat leaving uko forces “punching air” whilst suffering serious losses and gaining no strategic land. In other places the russians move forward or bolster defences.
The Ukes claim 6.5 Russian casualties for every one Uke. Even allowing for exaggeration, 3:1 kill ratio is pretty damned impressive. Although I assume that number does not include uke civilian casualties.
I’m sorry but you’ve been misled.The ukos are being slaughtered by Russian artillery – they complain of rarely seeing the enemy.
I’m talking Uke armed forces, not civilians.
Dark Orange said:
wookiemeister said:
Dark Orange said:The Ukes claim 6.5 Russian casualties for every one Uke. Even allowing for exaggeration, 3:1 kill ratio is pretty damned impressive. Although I assume that number does not include uke civilian casualties.
I’m sorry but you’ve been misled.The ukos are being slaughtered by Russian artillery – they complain of rarely seeing the enemy.
I’m talking Uke armed forces, not civilians.
The Russians are also being slaughtered by Russian artillery. They are not very good at recon, nor are they particularly accurate. The Russian artillery just kills indiscriminately.
party_pants said:
Dark Orange said:
wookiemeister said:I’m sorry but you’ve been misled.
The ukos are being slaughtered by Russian artillery – they complain of rarely seeing the enemy.
I’m talking Uke armed forces, not civilians.
The Russians are also being slaughtered by Russian artillery. They are not very good at recon, nor are they particularly accurate. The Russian artillery just kills indiscriminately.
They are also being slaughtered by Russian soldiers. Pro tip: Don’t tell armed Muslim servicemen that Allah is weak.
wookiemeister said:
Dark Orange said:
wookiemeister said:
To be fair the russians are hammering uko forces, you are looking around 1000 men a day getting killed or wounded ( or more in an “offensive”).In some places Russian forces retreat leaving uko forces “punching air” whilst suffering serious losses and gaining no strategic land. In other places the russians move forward or bolster defences.
The Ukes claim 6.5 Russian casualties for every one Uke. Even allowing for exaggeration, 3:1 kill ratio is pretty damned impressive. Although I assume that number does not include uke civilian casualties.
I’m sorry but you’ve been misled.The ukos are being slaughtered by Russian artillery – they complain of rarely seeing the enemy.
I admit you are an expert at being misled.
Dark Orange said:
party_pants said:
Dark Orange said:I’m talking Uke armed forces, not civilians.
The Russians are also being slaughtered by Russian artillery. They are not very good at recon, nor are they particularly accurate. The Russian artillery just kills indiscriminately.
They are also being slaughtered by Russian soldiers. Pro tip: Don’t tell armed Muslim servicemen that Allah is weak.
Yeah, coz when they realise that allah hasn’t instantly asploded you for blasphemy because he doesn’t exist, they’ll have to shoot you to save face.
Two days ago:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63255617
Russian President Vladimir Putin has said there is no need for more massive strikes on Ukraine, days after the heaviest bombardment of the country since the war began.
Today:
Kyiv under massive Shahed drone attack; explosions are heard. Air defense reportedly shot down. Reportedly, a building is on fire after drone impact.
Dark Orange said:
Two days ago:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63255617
Russian President Vladimir Putin has said there is no need for more massive strikes on Ukraine, days after the heaviest bombardment of the country since the war began.Today:
Kyiv under massive Shahed drone attack; explosions are heard. Air defense reportedly shot down. Reportedly, a building is on fire after drone impact.
“Analysts believe that RU’s precision strike munitions are down to 1/3 of prewar levels”
Hence the cheap drones.
wookiemeister said:
Dark Orange said:
wookiemeister said:
To be fair the russians are hammering uko forces, you are looking around 1000 men a day getting killed or wounded ( or more in an “offensive”).In some places Russian forces retreat leaving uko forces “punching air” whilst suffering serious losses and gaining no strategic land. In other places the russians move forward or bolster defences.
The Ukes claim 6.5 Russian casualties for every one Uke. Even allowing for exaggeration, 3:1 kill ratio is pretty damned impressive. Although I assume that number does not include uke civilian casualties.
I’m sorry but you’ve been misled.The ukos are being slaughtered by Russian artillery – they complain of rarely seeing the enemy.
That’s because they are aiming at civilians.
Missiles season will probably continue for another 3 weeks.
They are still hitting the power system I believe
If we take a leaf out of American gulf war 1 , the rusdians might well keep massing troops for another 3 weeks whilst the missiles keep hitting whilst applying pressure on the uko front lines.
When everything is dark enemy power systems become apparent – light, sound, movement in a landscape that has none. I’m hearing the initial strikes on power were probing attacks ie how do they cope when the power goes out. How do they bring power back on line?
The biggest mistakescRussia made in my limited opinion is
1 come up with a strategy to keep the campaign short and sweet – too many people get killed and the longer the war goes on the greater the unforeseen consequences.
2 they should have knocked out the western/ central regions power within hours. ( they did destroy ukraines air force in this period though)
3 massed troops in Belarus and driven all the way south to the sea to cut off transportation of weapons / supplies to troops.
4 knocked out all communications be it data or voice
With no power, no supplies and no way out the surrender would have been sooner without getting 100,000 ukos killed.
The accuracy of Russian artillery looks sketchy, looking at drone footage you see whole landscapes pocked with craters. Maybe they are using up old supplies of propellant
The way it normally works is that you take account of number of shells fired, air density/ temperature, wind direction. Nowadays shells can be guided by gps. When you watch the footage you’ll see the target but few if any actually hit the target.
wookiemeister said:
The biggest mistakescRussia made in my limited opinion is1 come up with a strategy to keep the campaign short and sweet – too many people get killed and the longer the war goes on the greater the unforeseen consequences.
2 they should have knocked out the western/ central regions power within hours. ( they did destroy ukraines air force in this period though)
3 massed troops in Belarus and driven all the way south to the sea to cut off transportation of weapons / supplies to troops.
4 knocked out all communications be it data or voice
With no power, no supplies and no way out the surrender would have been sooner without getting 100,000 ukos killed.
Mistakes Russia made:
1. Bring a land war to Ukraine.
2. Not realising their Navy were shit.
3. Not realising their air force was shit.
4. Not realising they had no equipment.
5. Listening to China to push the invasion back a month so as not to spoil the winter Olympics.
THE PURGE: LTCOL Roman Malyk, placed in charge of Putin’s botched mobilization effort, has been found dead at his residence at Primorsky, in RU’s far east. A police investigation has been launched, and a verdict of “suicide” has not been ruled out.
Kingy said:
THE PURGE: LTCOL Roman Malyk, placed in charge of Putin’s botched mobilization effort, has been found dead at his residence at Primorsky, in RU’s far east. A police investigation has been launched, and a verdict of “suicide” has not been ruled out.
There’s a lot of that going around in Rusia at the moment.
Kingy said:
THE PURGE: LTCOL Roman Malyk, placed in charge of Putin’s botched mobilization effort, has been found dead at his residence at Primorsky, in RU’s far east. A police investigation has been launched, and a verdict of “suicide” has not been ruled out.
Strange to have someone with a quite low rank holding such a senior role.
sibeen said:
Kingy said:
THE PURGE: LTCOL Roman Malyk, placed in charge of Putin’s botched mobilization effort, has been found dead at his residence at Primorsky, in RU’s far east. A police investigation has been launched, and a verdict of “suicide” has not been ruled out.
Strange to have someone with a quite low rank holding such a senior role.
Hmmm, I wonder why…
sibeen said:
Kingy said:
THE PURGE: LTCOL Roman Malyk, placed in charge of Putin’s botched mobilization effort, has been found dead at his residence at Primorsky, in RU’s far east. A police investigation has been launched, and a verdict of “suicide” has not been ruled out.
Strange to have someone with a quite low rank holding such a senior role.
Might have been the only one stupid enough to apply for the job.
sibeen said:
Kingy said:
THE PURGE: LTCOL Roman Malyk, placed in charge of Putin’s botched mobilization effort, has been found dead at his residence at Primorsky, in RU’s far east. A police investigation has been launched, and a verdict of “suicide” has not been ruled out.
Strange to have someone with a quite low rank holding such a senior role.
Whenever things go really badly, they “promote” a useful victim leader.
CoughLizTrussCough
Kazakh president added to Kiev’s ‘kill list’
Kassym-Jomart Tokayev has been branded a threat to Ukraine for his refusal to condemn Russia over its military operation
wookiemeister said:
Kazakh president added to Kiev’s ‘kill list’
Kassym-Jomart Tokayev has been branded a threat to Ukraine for his refusal to condemn Russia over its military operation
Servex him right too, he should know better.
1 week 5 days to winter
Lviv 13 / 2 rain
Kiev 14 / 2 rain
Kherson 18 / 7 rain
Kharkiv 15 / 6 rain
Looks as if missile season has set in now. If the rain keeps up any offensive grinds to a halt.
I’d say the ukos/ mi6/ cia will attempt a strike on turkstream at some point. There’s talk a major russian dam will be popped by the ukos. The reply might be the gas pipes from Norway/ Baltic will get blown up (?).
Missile strikes on energy infrastructure continue. Maybe the plan is to clear out the west by having no power and water. Populations will leave of their own accord , heading west. There will be no uko partisans because there will be no one to support them. The cities will be dark and abandoned in the west – uninhabitable.
party_pants said:
wookiemeister said:
Kazakh president added to Kiev’s ‘kill list’
Kassym-Jomart Tokayev has been branded a threat to Ukraine for his refusal to condemn Russia over its military operation
Servex him right too, he should know better.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myrotvorets
ChrispenEvan said:
party_pants said:
wookiemeister said:
Kazakh president added to Kiev’s ‘kill list’
Kassym-Jomart Tokayev has been branded a threat to Ukraine for his refusal to condemn Russia over its military operation
Servex him right too, he should know better.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myrotvorets
https://www.rt.com/news/564962-kazakhstan-president-kiev-kill-list/
https://www.gisreportsonline.com/r/kazakhstan-war-ukraine/
Kazakhstan gives Russia the cold shoulder
wookiemeister said:
Kazakh president added to Kiev’s ‘kill list’
Kassym-Jomart Tokayev has been branded a threat to Ukraine for his refusal to condemn Russia over its military operation
I know I’m wasting my time asking but can you provide a reference supporting this claim?
Ukraine-Kazakh relations are on the up due to Kazakhstan’s defiance of Russia.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/09/16/kazakhstan-russia-ukraine-war/
Meanwhile at kindergarten No31 in the town of Korolyov, just outside Moscow…
1 week 4 days to winter
Kherson 9 / 5 cloudy
Kiev 7 / -1 rain , snow
Lviv 9 / -3 partly cloudy
Kharkiv 9 / 4 rain
Scattered missile strikes – presumably on infrastructure
Russia keeps hammering the energy infrastructure
Kiev
Lviv
And every city central to West Falls dark and cold, no water from the tap.
No comms, starlink is jammed, no Netflix, no water, no power. Tower blocks become uninhabitable.
Net migration of millions west out of ukraine
The central areas and the west become vast live fire zones, covered in tank tracks and craters. Various nationalist groups retreat into the abandoned cities but have to be totally self sufficient. Various drones hunt them day and night.
The US and Western powers commit another trillion dollars in weapons to ukraine. The far west becomes the staging areas for new weaponry. The Sounds of strikes and flashes are heard across the border and march closer every day
wookiemeister said:
Scattered missile strikes – presumably on infrastructure
You would presume that, yes.
But most wouldn’t.
Dark Orange said:
wookiemeister said:Scattered missile strikes – presumably on infrastructure
You would presume that, yes.
But most wouldn’t.
The Russian bombardment offensive is definitely having an impact on Ukraine, particularly on the electrical system, with up to 30% of the system either out of commission or damaged.
But, it’s hardly the end of days for the power grid yet, and there’s no need to overstate the current situation.
As i pointed out before, we could draw parallels with the WW2 Luftwaffe’s re-direction of its attacks away from RAF airfields, radar sites, and military targets on to centres of population, to try to pressure the British government into a surrender or at least a negotiated settlement. Born out of desperation and frustration, that re-direction did enormous damage to cities, but left Britain’s actual fighting forces free to operate against the Germans without serious impedance or impairment.
The current Russian effort may not meet with any more success than did that strategy.
Now Putin has declared ‘martial law’ in some areas, which could be a sign that the regimes that Russia installed there are not up to the job and that the authority of those puppets is failing, and it may be another indicator of Russian frustration and of the frailty of their grip on those areas..
captain_spalding said:
The Russian bombardment offensive is definitely having an impact on Ukraine, particularly on the electrical system, with up to 30% of the system either out of commission or damaged.But, it’s hardly the end of days for the power grid yet, and there’s no need to overstate the current situation.
As i pointed out before, we could draw parallels with the WW2 Luftwaffe’s re-direction of its attacks away from RAF airfields, radar sites, and military targets on to centres of population, to try to pressure the British government into a surrender or at least a negotiated settlement. Born out of desperation and frustration, that re-direction did enormous damage to cities, but left Britain’s actual fighting forces free to operate against the Germans without serious impedance or impairment.
The current Russian effort may not meet with any more success than did that strategy.
Now Putin has declared ‘martial law’ in some areas, which could be a sign that the regimes that Russia installed there are not up to the job and that the authority of those puppets is failing, and it may be another indicator of Russian frustration and of the frailty of their grip on those areas..
Depends on the mindset of the general population as well, I’d rather die than live under a police state
Cymek said:
Depends on the mindset of the general population as well, I’d rather die than live under a police state
There may be other lessons from WW2 for both the Ukrainians and the Russians.
In a few places in Britain, civil order did come close to cracking under the bombing, but those were rare exceptions, and were swiftly controlled by a government which was expecting such things. Certainly, the collapse of social order and the lowering of civilian morale didn’t happen on anything like the scale that the Nazis had both expected and hoped for.
As for the problems of partisan warfare, the difficulties involved in stamping it out, and the disruptive effects it can have on an occupying force, well…you’d imagine that the Russians of all people would be quite familiar with all that.
But, like in the finance markets when people try to employ the disastrous strategies of years gone by, they seem to be telling themselves ‘it’ll be different this time, we’re smarter now’.
captain_spalding said:
Cymek said:Depends on the mindset of the general population as well, I’d rather die than live under a police state
There may be other lessons from WW2 for both the Ukrainians and the Russians.
In a few places in Britain, civil order did come close to cracking under the bombing, but those were rare exceptions, and were swiftly controlled by a government which was expecting such things. Certainly, the collapse of social order and the lowering of civilian morale didn’t happen on anything like the scale that the Nazis had both expected and hoped for.
As for the problems of partisan warfare, the difficulties involved in stamping it out, and the disruptive effects it can have on an occupying force, well…you’d imagine that the Russians of all people would be quite familiar with all that.
But, like in the finance markets when people try to employ the disastrous strategies of years gone by, they seem to be telling themselves ‘it’ll be different this time, we’re smarter now’.
Yes how would it go if the Russians won and captured all or even part of Ukraine.
Would or could they maintain the state of readiness, troops and equipment numbers as occupiers, I doubt it
Partisan soldiers resupplied via numerous other nations fighting a guerrilla war
Cymek said:
Yes how would it go if the Russians won and captured all or even part of Ukraine.
Would or could they maintain the state of readiness, troops and equipment numbers as occupiers, I doubt it
Partisan soldiers resupplied via numerous other nations fighting a guerrilla war
Afghanistan II?
captain_spalding said:
Cymek said:Yes how would it go if the Russians won and captured all or even part of Ukraine.
Would or could they maintain the state of readiness, troops and equipment numbers as occupiers, I doubt it
Partisan soldiers resupplied via numerous other nations fighting a guerrilla war
Afghanistan II?
Electric Boogaloo
Cymek said:
captain_spalding said:
Cymek said:Yes how would it go if the Russians won and captured all or even part of Ukraine.
Would or could they maintain the state of readiness, troops and equipment numbers as occupiers, I doubt it
Partisan soldiers resupplied via numerous other nations fighting a guerrilla war
Afghanistan II?
Electric Boogaloo
Hitting the power grid sends the population west.
Once turkstream becomes an energy hub the turks get all their money from gas. The illegal migration floodgates will open wide.
Imagine 2 million illegals marching into Europe from the third world every year , all needing money , shelter etc. On top of that will be migrants from ukraine and paying for the war.
This is like being killed by a boa constrictor.
wookiemeister said:
Hitting the power grid sends the population west.Once turkstream becomes an energy hub the turks get all their money from gas. The illegal migration floodgates will open wide.
Imagine 2 million illegals marching into Europe from the third world every year , all needing money , shelter etc. On top of that will be migrants from ukraine and paying for the war.
This is like being killed by a boa constrictor.
Unfortunately, that is what desperate Russians will do to escape the despot Putin and his grossly overrated military and who is wrecking their country. Still, I am sure Europe and other countries will sympathise with them and give the poor wrenches all the help they will need.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tN2Gc5XjjOg
RUSSIAN TANK IS PULVERIZED AND RUSSIAN SOLDIERS ARE SAYING THEIR ARMY IS IN ‘STONE AGE’
Stories from the 108 Ukrainian women recently released from Russian captivity.
“Every morning, every evening we were beaten.”
“They bullied us as much as they could.”
“They told us Ukraine forgot about us, and no one needs us.”
wookiemeister said:
Once turkstream becomes an energy hub the turks get all their money from gas. The illegal migration floodgates will open wide.
Explain how increasing gas revenues for Turkey would lead to an increase in illegal migration?
Imagine 2 million illegals marching into Europe from the third world every year , all needing money , shelter etc.
Because migrants to Europe are disproportionately of working age, they are a boost to European economies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsYK13PuLWE
RUSSIAN MOTHER DON’T BELIEVE HER SON IS CAPTURED AND HANGS UP THE PHONE
plus russia using white phosphorous.
Complain as much as you want
Ukraine is going dark
wookiemeister said:
Complain as much as you wantUkraine is going dark
This no longer a war between Ukraine and Russia. The rest of world will not let Russia win and take control of Ukraine. This is desperate petty revenge from Putin now. Every act of savagery will prolong the misery for Russia. They will not be forgiven and accepted back into the fold as a civilised country. It is over. Russia is fucked. It is useless for them to keep resisting it.
wookiemeister said:
Complain as much as you wantUkraine is going dark
Cry all you like.
Russians are going dead. Casualties pushing into the six digits now.
dv said:
wookiemeister said:
Complain as much as you wantUkraine is going dark
Cry all you like.
Russians are going dead. Casualties pushing into the six digits now.
they principally use ARTILLERY and MORTARs and DRONES and GUNSHIPS and GROUND ATTACK AIRCRAFT to kill the enemy
a common complaint of the ukos is that after being trained to kill the enemy in skirmishing battles – they never see the russians (but the russians see them). the ukos sit in trenches for weeks on end being taken down – trenches and holes offer NO protection. after artillery has created casualties the russians will have mopping up operations where grenades are thrown into holes to make sure no one is left in there – its not a game.
the war so far has been directed to destroy the uko army and its logistics, the attack on the bridge heralds a more serious attack on uko infrastructure – case in point the ukos themselves say 30 percent power knocked out (its more like 50 percent). the strikes continue.
wookiemeister said:
dv said:
wookiemeister said:
Complain as much as you wantUkraine is going dark
Cry all you like.
Russians are going dead. Casualties pushing into the six digits now.
i’m afraid
Reasonably so
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/10/20/7372813/
22 torture chambers found in liberated Kharkiv Oblast; people were brought to Russia for torture
Dark Orange said:
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/10/20/7372813/
22 torture chambers found in liberated Kharkiv Oblast; people were brought to Russia for torture
“They treated us like animals…They beat the girls, tortured them w electric current, beat with hammers. They hung girls”, says Hanna, 26yo servicewoman released from russian captivity this week. Her husband remains in captivity
Source: Ukrinform
“Survivors’ accounts from torture chambers in liberated parts of Ukraine reveal that the torture of civilians was far from a spontaneous act of certain Russian units: It appears to have been a standard, organized effort to terrorize local populations.”
https://kyivindependent.com/national/how-russia-organized-its-torture-chamber-network-in-kharkiv-oblast
“According to intelligence, the Russians began to mine the Kakhovka Dam/Hydro power plant back in April. Now they are undermining the locks and supports. The occupiers put two military Kamaz cars fully loaded with boxes of explosives on the dam. In case of detonation, dozens of Ukrainian settlements, in particular Kherson, will be under the impact. And the scale of the ecological disaster will go far beyond the borders of Ukraine and affect the entire Black Sea region.”
This is probably pootins last fuck you as they retreat from there. There is a lot of homes and towns below that dam.
Netherlands Becomes First NATO Country To Deploy Killer Robots
The Netherlands has become the first NATO country to deploy armed uncrewed ground vehicles (UGVs) into an operational environment in which the tracked robots will join a military unit and become part of the defense force. Some are unarmed, while others are carrying large automatic machine guns for use in firefights.
“We have deployed four weaponised machines within an operational experiment,” Lt Col Mevissen, commander of the Royal Netherlands Army’s Robotics and Autonomous Systems (RAS) unit, told Dutch media outlet Janes. “To my knowledge, we have not seen this before in the West”.
“The machines have been handed over for experimental use in an operational unit in a military-relevant environment. These are not simply tests on a training ground. We are under the direct eyes and ears of the Russians, and as such in a semi-operational environment,” he continued.
www.iflscience.com/netherlands-becomes-first-nato-country-to-deploy-killer-robots-65859
Them’s pretty good odds.
“Over the last two week, Ukraine’s air defense downed 85% of Russian kamikaze drones.
Adapting to a new threat is a matter of time and practice.”
kherson 15/12 cloudy with rain
kharkiv 9/7 cloudy with rain
kiev 11/7 cloudy with rain
lviv cloudy with rain
This morning, attacks were carried out on the ukrainian energy infrastructure facilities in:
▪️Kiev.
▪️ Odessa region.
▪️Khmelnitsky.
▪️Dnepropetrovsk.
▪️Lutsk.
▪️Rivne.
▪️Volyn region.
▪️Kovele.
▪️Lviv.
▪️Nikolaev.
▪️Kirovograd region.
▪️Chernihiv region.
air raid sirens a over ukraine
wookiemeister said:
kherson 15/12 cloudy with rain
kharkiv 9/7 cloudy with rain
kiev 11/7 cloudy with rain
lviv cloudy with rainThis morning, attacks were carried out on the ukrainian energy infrastructure facilities in:
▪️Kiev.
▪️ Odessa region.
▪️Khmelnitsky.
▪️Dnepropetrovsk.
▪️Lutsk.
▪️Rivne.
▪️Volyn region.
▪️Kovele.
▪️Lviv.
▪️Nikolaev.
▪️Kirovograd region.
▪️Chernihiv region.air raid sirens a over ukraine
I’m over Ukraine as well.
Peak Warming Man said:
wookiemeister said:
kherson 15/12 cloudy with rain
kharkiv 9/7 cloudy with rain
kiev 11/7 cloudy with rain
lviv cloudy with rainThis morning, attacks were carried out on the ukrainian energy infrastructure facilities in:
▪️Kiev.
▪️ Odessa region.
▪️Khmelnitsky.
▪️Dnepropetrovsk.
▪️Lutsk.
▪️Rivne.
▪️Volyn region.
▪️Kovele.
▪️Lviv.
▪️Nikolaev.
▪️Kirovograd region.
▪️Chernihiv region.air raid sirens a over ukraine
I’m over Ukraine as well.
Russian Spetsnaz group in Kherson direction attempted reconnaissance mission in civilian clothes.It did not end well for them.
Missile strikes continue
More cruise missile strikes
Energy infrastructure still being hit.
Hitting the repairs and how repairs occur.
wookiemeister said:
Missile strikes continueMore cruise missile strikes
Energy infrastructure still being hit.
Hitting the repairs and how repairs occur.
Ukrainian getting ready for a new offensive.
Russian getting ready to run for their lives.
wookiemeister said:
Missile strikes continueMore cruise missile strikes
Energy infrastructure still being hit.
Hitting the repairs and how repairs occur.
So how is that going to assist their war effort? Russia’s issues are with the weapons in the hands of the soldiers on the front line.
1 week
1 day
wookiemeister said:
Missile strikes continueMore cruise missile strikes
Energy infrastructure still being hit.
Hitting the repairs and how repairs occur.
The Ukes have been expecting this for months and Zelensky has already addressed the issue:
Without gas or without you?
Without you.
Without light or without you?
Without you.
Without water or without you?
Without you.
Without food or without you?
Without you.
Cold, hunger, darkness and thirst aren’t as scary and deadly 4 us as your “friendship & brotherhood”
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:
Missile strikes continueMore cruise missile strikes
Energy infrastructure still being hit.
Hitting the repairs and how repairs occur.
Ukrainian getting ready for a new offensive.
Russian getting ready to run for their lives.
Russian Convoys being hit
More Russian equipment being captured
Russians soldiers surrendering
More equipment being sent to Ukraine
Tau.Neutrino said:
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:
Missile strikes continueMore cruise missile strikes
Energy infrastructure still being hit.
Hitting the repairs and how repairs occur.
Ukrainian getting ready for a new offensive.
Russian getting ready to run for their lives.
Russian Convoys being hit
More Russian equipment being captured
Russians soldiers surrendering
More equipment being sent to Ukraine
Russians running out of ammunition
Russians running out of food
Russians running out of Generals
Russians running our of fuel
Tau.Neutrino said:
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:
Missile strikes continueMore cruise missile strikes
Energy infrastructure still being hit.
Hitting the repairs and how repairs occur.
Ukrainian getting ready for a new offensive.
Russian getting ready to run for their lives.
Russian Convoys being hit
More Russian equipment being captured
Russians soldiers surrendering
More equipment being sent to Ukraine
There’s lots of large Russian warehouses full of ammo just inside the Russian border that the Ukes can’t hit with their existing weapons. It will be a gamechanger if/when they get their new drones in the air.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
captain_spalding said:Ukrainian getting ready for a new offensive.
Russian getting ready to run for their lives.
Russian Convoys being hit
More Russian equipment being captured
Russians soldiers surrendering
More equipment being sent to UkraineRussians running out of ammunition
Russians running out of food
Russians running out of Generals
Russians running our of fuel
Russians running out of cruise missiles.
(Ukes are getting a 90-100% intercept rate against them, so they aren’t very effective any more.)
Russians have nearly run out munitions, and are struggling to manufacture more due to tech sanctions.
Upgraded and overhauledT-72 tank, on its way from the Czech Republic to Ukrainian forces. one of many.
The Czech is in the mail.
The Twelve Days of Ukraine
https://i.imgur.com/CUkn1h7.mp4
The 101st Airborne (“The Screaming Eagles”) is in Romania.
#Popcorn
https://twitter.com/y_gudymenko/status/1583778661131751425
My name is Yuriy Gudymenko. I am a Junior Sergeant (Corporal) in the Armed Forces of Ukraine. I want to appeal to each and every serviceman of the Belarusian Armed Forces. My address can be accessed in Russian and Belarusian in the Ukrainian media and on my FB page.
I am not going to lecture you. I don’t want to talk about brotherly nations, nor do I want to remind you of the fact that haven’t ever fought against each other.
I will be straightforward and simple.
If you step on our land — you will die.
I don’t know how exactly each of your deaths are going to occur. Maybe you’ll die like that Russian paratrooper on whom I’ve tripped in Irpin, early spring of this year, while placing mines.
I remember him, because I haven’t seen dead Russian soldiers as close before, not looking into binoculars or a scope. He was fully burnt, his uniform baked together with his blackened skin, and one of his legs was eaten to the bone by dogs.
Maybe, you’ll die exactly like him, betrayed by your command and comrades.
You also may get obliterated by our mines. We have a lot of them, enough for all of you. It’s a quick death — if it’s gonna be an AT mine, that is.
An anti-personnel mine will most likely leave you bleeding out, unable to survive without modern medical kits and evac systems.
Maybe, your truck will get destroyed by a HIMARS rocket, and you’ll be lucky to die with scattered legs and in horrible pain.
Maybe, your tank will get destroyed by a Stugna or a Javelin, and you’ll burn alive, just like hundreds of Russian tank crews before you. Though you’ll be counted as missing for a long time, because ammo detonation will certainly turn you into tiny flesh-bone dust.
A trophy Solntsepyok HFS might as well work out a fire mission on you. Or, maybe, a Grad MLRS. We will watch the video of your death, filmed from a drone, and share it with our friends.
However it will occur – you are going to die.
Over 60 thousand Russian soldiers could have confirmed my words. But they can’t. There’s bad reception in hell.
You haven’t seen fighting for decades. We’re fighting since 2014. Your weapons are old and obsolete. Our weapons are brand new, made by NATO.
You’re being pushed into a senseless war on foreign soil, while we’re defending what’s ours. We own the initiative, and your Russian allies are retreating month after month.
You don’t have a single chance. You will die here, near a village you’ve never heard of before.
I have some Belarusian blood in me. Maybe, this causes me to warn you, instead of gloatingly observing your deaths.
If you’ll arrive to Ukraine, you will die. Surrendering is your only way to survive and return home.
If you don’t do that, you will most certainly die.
Junior Sergeant Gudymenko ends his report.
An interesting video showing the effectiveness of a tank/infantry combination, against a lesser armed enemy. (If it were Russians attacking Ukes, the tank would have met with a javelin or two)
https://t.me/killpukin/11537
Note – there are some non-graphic scenes of Wagner mercenaries meeting their demise.
I’m sure the sure the red army will take these letters seriously
wookiemeister said:
I’m sure the sure the red army will take these letters seriously
They are not written to the army, a lot of them are already in the cemetery. They are written to those who may be called up.
wookiemeister said:
I’m sure the sure the red army will take these letters seriously
Technically the Red Army ceased to exist in 1991.
roughbarked said:
wookiemeister said:
I’m sure the sure the red army will take these letters seriously
They are not written to the army, a lot of them are already in the cemetery. They are written to those who may be called up.
The failure of the west is to understand what they are up against.
wookiemeister said:
The failure of the west is to understand what they are up against.
Yeah. They thought Russia’s army was at least competent. Boy were they wrong.
wookiemeister said:
The failure of the Russians is to understand what they are up against.
That reads more accurately.
Stop provoking
Stop prodding
Stop making bio weapons on Russia’s doorstep
Stop breaking treaties
Remember when they agreed no to expand NATO ?
Remember when the US ripped up the nuclear treaty a few years ago ?
People have short memories, until a few months ago Australia was engaged in a 20 war that they LOST.
Stop prodding the chinese, stop shipping weapons to conflict zones.
Witty Rejoinder said:
wookiemeister said:
The failure of the west is to understand what they are up against.
Yeah. They thought Russia’s army was at least competent. Boy were they wrong.
Looks like that’s what Poo-tin thought too and boy was he wrong.
Witty Rejoinder said:
wookiemeister said:
The failure of the west is to understand what they are up against.
Yeah. They thought Russia’s army was at least competent. Boy were they wrong.
wookiemeister said:
Stop provokingStop prodding
Stop making bio weapons on Russia’s doorstep
Stop breaking treaties
Remember when they agreed no to expand NATO ?
Remember when the US ripped up the nuclear treaty a few years ago ?
People have short memories, until a few months ago Australia was engaged in a 20 war that they LOST.
Stop prodding the chinese, stop shipping weapons to conflict zones.
You should read more Hermann Hesse.
Arms race was something he spoke about a lot in a little book called ‘If the war goes on’.
If China wasn’t escalating or Kim wasn’t playing with skyrockets and old shit can stuck to wrestling bears.
wookiemeister said:
Stop provokingStop prodding
Stop making bio weapons on Russia’s doorstep
Stop breaking treaties
Remember when they agreed no to expand NATO ?
Remember when the US ripped up the nuclear treaty a few years ago ?
People have short memories, until a few months ago Australia was engaged in a 20 war that they LOST.
Stop prodding the chinese, stop shipping weapons to conflict zones.
The west is the global economy. It is the only game in town. If you want to trade with the west you play by their rules. If China and Russia don’t want to play, then they get kicked out. No sniffs or butts. Too bad, fuck off.
wookiemeister said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
wookiemeister said:
The failure of the west is to understand what they are up against.
Yeah. They thought Russia’s army was at least competent. Boy were they wrong.
well I guess NATO / Europe are going to get squeezed all over again.
Nah… more likely Putin will be garroted.
lol
SCIENCE said:
lol
It isn’t really all that funny.
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
lol
It isn’t really all that funny.
no, reality seems pretty fucked up, but the propaganda on all 7 sides of this thread is pretty hilarious
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
lol
It isn’t really all that funny.
no, reality seems pretty fucked up, but the propaganda on all 7 sides of this thread is pretty hilarious
We can only hope wookie is just funning us.
wookiemeister said:
The failure of the west is to understand what they are up against.
Whereas your failure is that you’re a complete moron.
I tell ya they are getting weather everywhere, even in the Canadian rockies and it’s spreading south to the bad lands below the border.
Peak Warming Man said:
I tell ya they are getting weather everywhere, even in the Canadian rockies and it’s spreading south to the bad lands below the border.
Pretend that is chat.
Peak Warming Man said:
Peak Warming Man said:
I tell ya they are getting weather everywhere, even in the Canadian rockies and it’s spreading south to the bad lands below the border.
Pretend that is chat.
Wookie’s threads deserve all the shit-fuckery they get…
Witty Rejoinder said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Peak Warming Man said:
I tell ya they are getting weather everywhere, even in the Canadian rockies and it’s spreading south to the bad lands below the border.
Pretend that is chat.
Wookie’s threads deserve all the shit-fuckery they get…
woohoo, i’m in!
This is a copy of the webcams that Bill posted earlier, his link is offline now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDSh0QEf2z8
The webcam at the top left(Makiivka) is the one with the artillery/explosions in the background. It is located where the cross is on this image.
A Russian military jet crashes into a residential building in the Siberian city of Irkutsk, killing two pilots.
roughbarked said:
A Russian military jet crashes into a residential building in the Siberian city of Irkutsk, killing two pilots.
are we going to divine the cause again
7 days
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
A Russian military jet crashes into a residential building in the Siberian city of Irkutsk, killing two pilots.
are we going to divine the cause again
The Russians might possibly paraphrase Admiral Beatty at the Battle of Jutland: ‘There seems to be something wrong with our bloody jets these days!’
roughbarked said:
A Russian military jet crashes into a residential building in the Siberian city of Irkutsk, killing two pilots.
Piloted SU suicide drones.
The footage is interesting.
Dark Orange said:
roughbarked said:
A Russian military jet crashes into a residential building in the Siberian city of Irkutsk, killing two pilots.
Piloted SU suicide drones.
The footage is interesting.
With the bombers at one RAF base they would BULLDOZE the wreckage with the bodies into a pile off the side of the runways then cover it with dirt.
In a war with Russia Australia should expect at least 1000 dead every day – not including wounded.
This war should be expected to last anything up to ten years ( including limited nuclear strikes eg I strike one, then you strike one).
Don’t expect the power network to work. Hypersonic missiles will systematically knock out initially the powerstation switchyards. When Australia goes to war I’d expect to lose at least 10 major generation centres within the first 48 hours. The few refineries we have would be gone too.
Australia has had a privileged position of not receiving many bombings because its just so far away – not anymore.
Be careful what you wish for.
wookiemeister said:
.Be careful what you wish for.
There is only two countries that could possibly be afressive enough to bring war to our shores, and one of them is currently getting g their arses handed to them.
The international backlash against the aggressor also reduces the incentive for the other to do similar.
wookiemeister said:
In a war with Russia Australia should expect at least 1000 dead every day – not including wounded.This war should be expected to last anything up to ten years ( including limited nuclear strikes eg I strike one, then you strike one).
Don’t expect the power network to work. Hypersonic missiles will systematically knock out initially the powerstation switchyards. When Australia goes to war I’d expect to lose at least 10 major generation centres within the first 48 hours. The few refineries we have would be gone too.
Australia has had a privileged position of not receiving many bombings because its just so far away – not anymore.
Be careful what you wish for.
Nah, the bell’s been rung. Russia would last about a month. They’re pathetic.
dv said:
wookiemeister said:
In a war with Russia Australia should expect at least 1000 dead every day – not including wounded.This war should be expected to last anything up to ten years ( including limited nuclear strikes eg I strike one, then you strike one).
Don’t expect the power network to work. Hypersonic missiles will systematically knock out initially the powerstation switchyards. When Australia goes to war I’d expect to lose at least 10 major generation centres within the first 48 hours. The few refineries we have would be gone too.
Australia has had a privileged position of not receiving many bombings because its just so far away – not anymore.
Be careful what you wish for.
Nah, the bell’s been rung. Russia would last about a month. They’re pathetic.
An alarming bit of news is that Russia is claiming that Ukraine is planning a dirty nuclear bomb. All of which from our knowledge of Russian fake news, means that Russia is planning to do it and blame Ukraine for it.
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:roughbarked said:
A Russian military jet crashes into a residential building in the Siberian city of Irkutsk, killing two pilots.
are we going to divine the cause again
The Russians might possibly paraphrase Admiral Beatty at the Battle of Jutland: ‘There seems to be something wrong with our bloody jets these days!’
They have cut back on maintenance and are having difficulty sourcing components.
roughbarked said:
dv said:
wookiemeister said:
In a war with Russia Australia should expect at least 1000 dead every day – not including wounded.This war should be expected to last anything up to ten years ( including limited nuclear strikes eg I strike one, then you strike one).
Don’t expect the power network to work. Hypersonic missiles will systematically knock out initially the powerstation switchyards. When Australia goes to war I’d expect to lose at least 10 major generation centres within the first 48 hours. The few refineries we have would be gone too.
Australia has had a privileged position of not receiving many bombings because its just so far away – not anymore.
Be careful what you wish for.
Nah, the bell’s been rung. Russia would last about a month. They’re pathetic.
An alarming bit of news is that Russia is claiming that Ukraine is planning a dirty nuclear bomb. All of which from our knowledge of Russian fake news, means that Russia is planning to do it and blame Ukraine for it.
Russia does a strike on kiev and lviv for hood measure
48 hours later 250 million dead , Europe no longer exists, neither does America ( Australia gets popped for good measure – all the major capitals , no one hears from Australia for 500 years)
Just think
You and everyone you know dead because a handful of people thought something was a good idea.
dv said:
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:are we going to divine the cause again
The Russians might possibly paraphrase Admiral Beatty at the Battle of Jutland: ‘There seems to be something wrong with our bloody jets these days!’
They have cut back on maintenance and are having difficulty sourcing components.
Interestingly, some of the cruise missiles being lobbed onto Ukraine havr been built in the second quarter which suggests they are running extremely low on stocks.
wookiemeister said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:Nah, the bell’s been rung. Russia would last about a month. They’re pathetic.
An alarming bit of news is that Russia is claiming that Ukraine is planning a dirty nuclear bomb. All of which from our knowledge of Russian fake news, means that Russia is planning to do it and blame Ukraine for it.
Good luck to them if ukrainr blows up a dirty bombRussia does a strike on kiev and lviv for hood measure
48 hours later 250 million dead , Europe no longer exists, neither does America ( Australia gets popped for good measure – all the major capitals , no one hears from Australia for 500 years)
It is fake news you dumbass.
Dark Orange said:
dv said:
captain_spalding said:The Russians might possibly paraphrase Admiral Beatty at the Battle of Jutland: ‘There seems to be something wrong with our bloody jets these days!’
They have cut back on maintenance and are having difficulty sourcing components.
Interestingly, some of the cruise missiles being lobbed onto Ukraine havr been built in the second quarter which suggests they are running extremely low on stocks.
That’s what people don’t get
They’ve most likely got thousands of these things in storage
Remember when they said they would run out of shells
Despite them making 1.5 million every year for the last 20 years?
That’s copium for me
I’ll just update significant events and the weather
wookiemeister said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:Nah, the bell’s been rung. Russia would last about a month. They’re pathetic.
An alarming bit of news is that Russia is claiming that Ukraine is planning a dirty nuclear bomb. All of which from our knowledge of Russian fake news, means that Russia is planning to do it and blame Ukraine for it.
Good luck to them if ukrainr blows up a dirty bombRussia does a strike on kiev and lviv for hood measure
48 hours later 250 million dead , Europe no longer exists, neither does America ( Australia gets popped for good measure – all the major capitals , no one hears from Australia for 500 years)
Nah, the west won’t retaliate with nukes.
They will do something like taking out the black Sea fleet, and possibly make use of the 101st Airborne.
wookiemeister said:
Just thinkYou and everyone you know dead because a handful of people thought something was a good idea.
Yeah Fucking Putin. All those people dead because of a single case of Short Man Syndrome.
Dark Orange said:
dv said:
captain_spalding said:The Russians might possibly paraphrase Admiral Beatty at the Battle of Jutland: ‘There seems to be something wrong with our bloody jets these days!’
They have cut back on maintenance and are having difficulty sourcing components.
Interestingly, some of the cruise missiles being lobbed onto Ukraine havr been built in the second quarter which suggests they are running extremely low on stocks.
What would be a reasonable missile stockpile for a major power, a few thousands
wookiemeister said:
Dark Orange said:
dv said:They have cut back on maintenance and are having difficulty sourcing components.
Interestingly, some of the cruise missiles being lobbed onto Ukraine havr been built in the second quarter which suggests they are running extremely low on stocks.
BullshitThat’s what people don’t get
They’ve most likely got thousands of these things in storage
Remember when they said they would run out of shells
Despite them making 1.5 million every year for the last 20 years?
The did indeed have thousands in stock. They probably have another 10,000 srored with 1.5M winter uniforms.
Dark Orange said:
wookiemeister said:
roughbarked said:An alarming bit of news is that Russia is claiming that Ukraine is planning a dirty nuclear bomb. All of which from our knowledge of Russian fake news, means that Russia is planning to do it and blame Ukraine for it.
Good luck to them if ukrainr blows up a dirty bombRussia does a strike on kiev and lviv for hood measure
48 hours later 250 million dead , Europe no longer exists, neither does America ( Australia gets popped for good measure – all the major capitals , no one hears from Australia for 500 years)
Nah, the west won’t retaliate with nukes.
They will do something like taking out the black Sea fleet, and possibly make use of the 101st Airborne.
Nudge an asteroid into a Moscow intercept
wookiemeister said:
That’s copium for me
We know.
Dark Orange said:
wookiemeister said:
Just thinkYou and everyone you know dead because a handful of people thought something was a good idea.
Yeah Fucking Putin. All those people dead because of a single case of Short Man Syndrome.
I’m assuming its jest but that is a worry someone doesn’t care if the world burns if they lose face.
Cymek said:
Dark Orange said:
wookiemeister said:
Just thinkYou and everyone you know dead because a handful of people thought something was a good idea.
Yeah Fucking Putin. All those people dead because of a single case of Short Man Syndrome.
I’m assuming its jest but that is a worry someone doesn’t care if the world burns if they lose face.
He’s been trying to make out that he is taller than he is for a long time.
roughbarked said:
Cymek said:
Dark Orange said:Yeah Fucking Putin. All those people dead because of a single case of Short Man Syndrome.
I’m assuming its jest but that is a worry someone doesn’t care if the world burns if they lose face.
He’s been trying to make out that he is taller than he is for a long time.
The three major nuclear weapons players do seem to have set it up that one person could instigate a full scale war
The USA might have safeguards in place to prevent a nutter launching them but dictatorships Russia and China less so
wookiemeister said:
Despite them making 1.5 million every year for the last 20 years?
Well, it says on the books that they made a lot of shells every year.
But, superyachts and Bugatti Veyrons don’t get paid for on the legitimate profits from fulfilling to the letter contracts for making shells. Or winter uniforms. Or spare parts for tanks.
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:
Cymek said:I’m assuming its jest but that is a worry someone doesn’t care if the world burns if they lose face.
He’s been trying to make out that he is taller than he is for a long time.
The three major nuclear weapons players do seem to have set it up that one person could instigate a full scale war
The USA might have safeguards in place to prevent a nutter launching them but dictatorships Russia and China less so
If the nutter is the head of government, then the opposite is the case. There’s literally no mechanism for preventing the President of the USA from launching a nuclear attack within minutes of deciding to do so, for any or no reason. He or she has complete discretion.
dv said:
If the nutter is the head of government, then the opposite is the case. There’s literally no mechanism for preventing the President of the USA from launching a nuclear attack within minutes of deciding to do so, for any or no reason. He or she has complete discretion.
During Trump’s term in office (also known as When The Circus Was In Town) there was, apparently, a quiet agreement reached among senior military officers and White House military aides that if Donny Derange-o got the urge to push the button, then order would first be rapidly circulated to certain people for vetting, and intervention if necessary.
dv said:
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:He’s been trying to make out that he is taller than he is for a long time.
The three major nuclear weapons players do seem to have set it up that one person could instigate a full scale war
The USA might have safeguards in place to prevent a nutter launching them but dictatorships Russia and China less so
If the nutter is the head of government, then the opposite is the case. There’s literally no mechanism for preventing the President of the USA from launching a nuclear attack within minutes of deciding to do so, for any or no reason. He or she has complete discretion.
So even worse then.
wookiemeister said:
In a war with Russia Australia should expect at least 1000 dead every day – not including wounded.This war should be expected to last anything up to ten years ( including limited nuclear strikes eg I strike one, then you strike one).
Don’t expect the power network to work. Hypersonic missiles will systematically knock out initially the powerstation switchyards. When Australia goes to war I’d expect to lose at least 10 major generation centres within the first 48 hours. The few refineries we have would be gone too.
Australia has had a privileged position of not receiving many bombings because its just so far away – not anymore.
Be careful what you wish for.
Not just a troll, but a fuckwit too.
PermeateFree said:
wookiemeister said:
In a war with Russia Australia should expect at least 1000 dead every day – not including wounded.This war should be expected to last anything up to ten years ( including limited nuclear strikes eg I strike one, then you strike one).
Don’t expect the power network to work. Hypersonic missiles will systematically knock out initially the powerstation switchyards. When Australia goes to war I’d expect to lose at least 10 major generation centres within the first 48 hours. The few refineries we have would be gone too.
Australia has had a privileged position of not receiving many bombings because its just so far away – not anymore.
Be careful what you wish for.
Not just a troll, but a fuckwit too.
It is a bit rude that you are targeted for a nuclear strike when you have none of your own.
PermeateFree said:
wookiemeister said:
In a war with Russia Australia should expect at least 1000 dead every day – not including wounded.This war should be expected to last anything up to ten years ( including limited nuclear strikes eg I strike one, then you strike one).
Don’t expect the power network to work. Hypersonic missiles will systematically knock out initially the powerstation switchyards. When Australia goes to war I’d expect to lose at least 10 major generation centres within the first 48 hours. The few refineries we have would be gone too.
Australia has had a privileged position of not receiving many bombings because its just so far away – not anymore.
Be careful what you wish for.
Not just a troll, but a fuckwit too.
Sad, really.
Russia is being beaten by a country without any formal allies. How does wook think they’ll beat a country in a powerful alliance?
dv said:
PermeateFree said:
wookiemeister said:
In a war with Russia Australia should expect at least 1000 dead every day – not including wounded.This war should be expected to last anything up to ten years ( including limited nuclear strikes eg I strike one, then you strike one).
Don’t expect the power network to work. Hypersonic missiles will systematically knock out initially the powerstation switchyards. When Australia goes to war I’d expect to lose at least 10 major generation centres within the first 48 hours. The few refineries we have would be gone too.
Australia has had a privileged position of not receiving many bombings because its just so far away – not anymore.
Be careful what you wish for.
Not just a troll, but a fuckwit too.
Sad, really.
Russia is being beaten by a country without any formal allies. How does wook think they’ll beat a country in a powerful alliance?
How effective would battlefield nuclear weapons be I wonder
Cymek said:
dv said:
PermeateFree said:Not just a troll, but a fuckwit too.
Sad, really.
Russia is being beaten by a country without any formal allies. How does wook think they’ll beat a country in a powerful alliance?
How effective would battlefield nuclear weapons be I wonder
Although I’m ignorant, I think that would probably lead to a major nuclear exchange. We basically just have to hope that people in Putin’s chain of command don’t want to die for nothing.
dv said:
Cymek said:
dv said:Sad, really.
Russia is being beaten by a country without any formal allies. How does wook think they’ll beat a country in a powerful alliance?
How effective would battlefield nuclear weapons be I wonder
Although I’m ignorant, I think that would probably lead to a major nuclear exchange. We basically just have to hope that people in Putin’s chain of command don’t want to die for nothing.
Pretty much.
The nuclear option isn’t a dial-it-up scenario, it’s a very big switch.
All or nothing. :(
Spiny Norman said:
dv said:
Cymek said:How effective would battlefield nuclear weapons be I wonder
Although I’m ignorant, I think that would probably lead to a major nuclear exchange. We basically just have to hope that people in Putin’s chain of command don’t want to die for nothing.
Pretty much.
The nuclear option isn’t a dial-it-up scenario, it’s a very big switch.
All or nothing. :(
On a battlefield were everything is moving and spread out they are like supped up missiles with a bigger destructive area than a guaranteed winner
Spiny Norman said:
dv said:
Cymek said:How effective would battlefield nuclear weapons be I wonder
Although I’m ignorant, I think that would probably lead to a major nuclear exchange. We basically just have to hope that people in Putin’s chain of command don’t want to die for nothing.
Pretty much.
The nuclear option isn’t a dial-it-up scenario, it’s a very big switch.
All or nothing. :(
I’m less convinced.. I think Putin is mental enough to do it… but in saying that, “conventional” use of strategic nukes of meant to create an offensive advantage for your own troops by giving them a hole to rush through, as opposed to simply wiping out thousands of your enemies. It’s also difficult for Russia to use strategic nukes becaus ethe battle field is literally hundreds of kilometres long.
There are two big issues facing Russia in using (non-strategic) nukes in Ukraine. The first is that they don’t have air superiority, so delivering the payload deep into western Ukraine is difficult outside of using nuclear enabled cruse missiles (and even those are becoming less reliable because of Ukraine’s increased surface-to-air capability).
The second issue is how well maintained the Russian nukes are. That is, nuclear weapons require regular boosters and initiators and these components require regular replacement of their tritium. If Russia hasn’t been doing this (remembering that making tritium is difficult and requires the sorts of materials/technology that no one is allowed to sell them) then these weapons may be inoperable.
Cymek said:
Spiny Norman said:
dv said:Although I’m ignorant, I think that would probably lead to a major nuclear exchange. We basically just have to hope that people in Putin’s chain of command don’t want to die for nothing.
Pretty much.
The nuclear option isn’t a dial-it-up scenario, it’s a very big switch.
All or nothing. :(
On a battlefield were everything is moving and spread out they are like supped up missiles with a bigger destructive area than a guaranteed winner
Supped doesn’t look right super versions of normal missiles is what I mean
diddly-squat said:
Spiny Norman said:
dv said:Although I’m ignorant, I think that would probably lead to a major nuclear exchange. We basically just have to hope that people in Putin’s chain of command don’t want to die for nothing.
Pretty much.
The nuclear option isn’t a dial-it-up scenario, it’s a very big switch.
All or nothing. :(
I’m less convinced.. I think Putin is mental enough to do it… but in saying that, “conventional” use of strategic nukes of meant to create an offensive advantage for your own troops by giving them a hole to rush through, as opposed to simply wiping out thousands of your enemies. It’s also difficult for Russia to use strategic nukes becaus ethe battle field is literally hundreds of kilometres long.
There are two big issues facing Russia in using (non-strategic) nukes in Ukraine. The first is that they don’t have air superiority, so delivering the payload deep into western Ukraine is difficult outside of using nuclear enabled cruse missiles (and even those are becoming less reliable because of Ukraine’s increased surface-to-air capability).
The second issue is how well maintained the Russian nukes are. That is, nuclear weapons require regular boosters and initiators and these components require regular replacement of their tritium. If Russia hasn’t been doing this (remembering that making tritium is difficult and requires the sorts of materials/technology that no one is allowed to sell them) then these weapons may be inoperable.
That what I think, if say you used nukes in the first days of a war were everyone is hopefully concentrated into small areas a nuclear weapon can completely destroy that’s useful
Creating holes to send troops through seems dangerous to say the least, you can’t really just use the nuke and rush through behind immediately and you’d also alert the enemy to your location.
Carpet bomb an entire front line maybe with hundreds of weapons so the overlap and wipe out everything might work but that’s overkill
Interesting military predator prey illustration.
https://youtu.be/XuSnsqiiG5Q
Cymek said:
dv said:
PermeateFree said:Not just a troll, but a fuckwit too.
Sad, really.
Russia is being beaten by a country without any formal allies. How does wook think they’ll beat a country in a powerful alliance?
How effective would battlefield nuclear weapons be I wonder
In this particular conflict, a small Russian nuke would have no real strategic value. The Ukes are decentralised and there is no real target to hit.
The Ukes, however could really benefit from a couple. There are 4 or four extremely large arms storage facilities just inside the Russian border, and the Crimean bridge would be ideal targets for such hardware.
diddly-squat said:
Spiny Norman said:
dv said:Although I’m ignorant, I think that would probably lead to a major nuclear exchange. We basically just have to hope that people in Putin’s chain of command don’t want to die for nothing.
Pretty much.
The nuclear option isn’t a dial-it-up scenario, it’s a very big switch.
All or nothing. :(
I’m less convinced.. I think Putin is mental enough to do it… but in saying that, “conventional” use of strategic nukes of meant to create an offensive advantage for your own troops by giving them a hole to rush through, as opposed to simply wiping out thousands of your enemies. It’s also difficult for Russia to use strategic nukes becaus ethe battle field is literally hundreds of kilometres long.
There are two big issues facing Russia in using (non-strategic) nukes in Ukraine. The first is that they don’t have air superiority, so delivering the payload deep into western Ukraine is difficult outside of using nuclear enabled cruse missiles (and even those are becoming less reliable because of Ukraine’s increased surface-to-air capability).
The second issue is how well maintained the Russian nukes are. That is, nuclear weapons require regular boosters and initiators and these components require regular replacement of their tritium. If Russia hasn’t been doing this (remembering that making tritium is difficult and requires the sorts of materials/technology that no one is allowed to sell them) then these weapons may be inoperable.
It’s also on territory that they are hoping to Russify.
dv said:
Cymek said:
dv said:Sad, really.
Russia is being beaten by a country without any formal allies. How does wook think they’ll beat a country in a powerful alliance?
How effective would battlefield nuclear weapons be I wonder
Although I’m ignorant, I think that would probably lead to a major nuclear exchange. We basically just have to hope that people in Putin’s chain of command don’t want to die for nothing.
I think the Yanks realise a nuclear retaliation would be the end of the world as we know it.
Fortunately, there are many effective non-nuclear responses that can be made.
dv said:
diddly-squat said:
Spiny Norman said:Pretty much.
The nuclear option isn’t a dial-it-up scenario, it’s a very big switch.
All or nothing. :(
I’m less convinced.. I think Putin is mental enough to do it… but in saying that, “conventional” use of strategic nukes of meant to create an offensive advantage for your own troops by giving them a hole to rush through, as opposed to simply wiping out thousands of your enemies. It’s also difficult for Russia to use strategic nukes becaus ethe battle field is literally hundreds of kilometres long.
There are two big issues facing Russia in using (non-strategic) nukes in Ukraine. The first is that they don’t have air superiority, so delivering the payload deep into western Ukraine is difficult outside of using nuclear enabled cruse missiles (and even those are becoming less reliable because of Ukraine’s increased surface-to-air capability).
The second issue is how well maintained the Russian nukes are. That is, nuclear weapons require regular boosters and initiators and these components require regular replacement of their tritium. If Russia hasn’t been doing this (remembering that making tritium is difficult and requires the sorts of materials/technology that no one is allowed to sell them) then these weapons may be inoperable.
It’s also on territory that they are hoping to Russify.
I doubt Russification will ever be ratified.
And if push comes to shove don’t be surprised if Charles III sends the Light Brigade to the Crimea to stick it up em and show the Russians some cold steel.
They don’t like it up em.
Not a good time to be thumbing your nose at sanctions by selling engines to other countries.
Honorary director and Head of international department at Ukrainian company, Motor Sich, are charged with treason and accused of supplying parts to Russian attack helicopters.
And Rotax are madly trying to work out why their motors have been found in Iranian drones shot down in Ukraine.
Dark Orange said:
Not a good time to be thumbing your nose at sanctions by selling engines to other countries.
Honorary director and Head of international department at Ukrainian company, Motor Sich, are charged with treason and accused of supplying parts to Russian attack helicopters.
And Rotax are madly trying to work out why their motors have been found in Iranian drones shot down in Ukraine.
https://kyivindependent.com/news-feed/sbu-publishes-phone-conversations-allegedly-proving-motor-sich-heads-cooperation-with-russia
Iran slams call for UN probe into alleged use of its drones
Iran has strongly condemned a call by France, Germany and the United Kingdom for the United Nations to investigate the accusations that Russia has used Iranian-origin drones to attack Ukraine, according to its foreign ministry.
Nasser Kanaani, spokesman for Iran’s foreign ministry, said on Saturday that the call by the so-called E-3 group of countries was “false and baseless” and that it was “strongly rejected and condemned”.
Ukraine says Russia has used Iranian-made Shahed-136 attack drones that cruise towards their target and explode on impact.
more…
Dark Orange said:
Not a good time to be thumbing your nose at sanctions by selling engines to other countries.
Honorary director and Head of international department at Ukrainian company, Motor Sich, are charged with treason and accused of supplying parts to Russian attack helicopters.
And Rotax are madly trying to work out why their motors have been found in Iranian drones shot down in Ukraine.
Was a W. Meister involved.
Kiev 14/9 cloudy rainy
Kherson 17/10 partly cloudy
Lviv 18/11 cloudy , rainy
Kharkiv 12/6 cloudy
Russia prepares military strike on Ukrainian nuclear facilities being used to build a “dirty bomb” from nuclear waste and other materials.
Presumably this will cause the same kind of fallout as Chernobyl ( except worse).
Winds drifting radioactive waste west across Europe.
Western Europe is abandoned by humans.
I suppose as western Europe becomes abandoned bears , wolves and other animals will make a come back. Presumably the forests will return.
The rumours are that most Wagner troops in Bakhmut are no longer on the payroll.
Dark Orange said:
The rumours are that most Wagner troops in Bakhmut are no longer on the payroll.
So they are getting by selling the stripped wire and toilets?
dv said:
Dark Orange said:The rumours are that most Wagner troops in Bakhmut are no longer on the payroll.
So they are getting by selling the stripped wire and toilets?
Just the time time-honoured traditional practice of brigandry.
If I were you I’d go and visit friends and family
6 days
wookiemeister said:
If I were you I’d go and visit friends and family
I consider myself lucky that you aren’t. Me that is.
wookiemeister said:
If I were you I’d go and visit friends and family
Yours or mine?
wookiemeister said:
6 days
And You’re going to make it home tonight.
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:
If I were you I’d go and visit friends and family
Yours or mine?
Peak Warming Man said:
wookiemeister said:
6 days
And You’re going to make it home tonight.
wookiemeister said:
Peak Warming Man said:
wookiemeister said:
6 days
And You’re going to make it home tonight.
As I said just go and visit friends and family
are you suggesting that the world is in imminent danger of all out war and we, here in Australia, are likely to be subject to Russian aggression?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/24/ukraine-war-heading-for-uncontrolled-escalation-says-russia
Poor old russia. getting a tad desperate.
wookiemeister said:
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:
If I were you I’d go and visit friends and family
Yours or mine?
Kiev 16/ 9 cloudy , rain
Kherson 15/ 9 rain
Lviv 16/11
Kharkiv 11/6 rain
Kiev 16/ 9 cloudy , rain, still kicking Russia’s bum
Kherson 15/ 9 rain, possibility of liberation later
Lviv 16/11 and doing fine, thanks, no Russians here
Kharkiv 11/6 rain, some chance of Russians, clearing to the east
diddly-squat said:
wookiemeister said:
Peak Warming Man said:And You’re going to make it home tonight.
As I said just go and visit friends and familyare you suggesting that the world is in imminent danger of all out war and we, here in Australia, are likely to be subject to Russian aggression?
well it won’t happen until we see carriers in flames off the turkish coast. so we’ll be right for a while at least.
JudgeMental said:
diddly-squat said:
wookiemeister said:As I said just go and visit friends and family
are you suggesting that the world is in imminent danger of all out war and we, here in Australia, are likely to be subject to Russian aggression?
well it won’t happen until we see carriers in flames off the turkish coast. so we’ll be right for a while at least.
diddly-squat said:
wookiemeister said:
Peak Warming Man said:And You’re going to make it home tonight.
As I said just go and visit friends and familyare you suggesting that the world is in imminent danger of all out war and we, here in Australia, are likely to be subject to Russian aggression?
He’s been suggesting that all along, hadn’t you noticed?
wookiemeister said:
JudgeMental said:
diddly-squat said:are you suggesting that the world is in imminent danger of all out war and we, here in Australia, are likely to be subject to Russian aggression?
well it won’t happen until we see carriers in flames off the turkish coast. so we’ll be right for a while at least.
6 days to winter
wookiemeister said:
JudgeMental said:
diddly-squat said:are you suggesting that the world is in imminent danger of all out war and we, here in Australia, are likely to be subject to Russian aggression?
well it won’t happen until we see carriers in flames off the turkish coast. so we’ll be right for a while at least.
6 days to winter
When we are invaded by the Russians do you want to help me form a group lets call ourselves the Wolverines to fight them
Cymek said:
wookiemeister said:
JudgeMental said:well it won’t happen until we see carriers in flames off the turkish coast. so we’ll be right for a while at least.
6 days to winterWhen we are invaded by the Russians do you want to help me form a group lets call ourselves the Wolverines to fight them
“The Emus”.
They won the last war.
Winter is coming.
German gas storages at 97% capacity and increasing. When Russia was in control of our storage capacities Putin deliberately decreased the flow. Due to that we were at 72% last year at the same time, the prelude of the open war in Ukraine.
Dark Orange said:
Winter is coming.
German gas storages at 97% capacity and increasing. When Russia was in control of our storage capacities Putin deliberately decreased the flow. Due to that we were at 72% last year at the same time, the prelude of the open war in Ukraine.
So where is Germany getting all this gas that they are swimming in?
Well, the public mobilisation of citizens into the Russian army has stopped.
But “covert conscription” continues. Imagine waking up at midnight to a cloth bag bag being put over your head.
Winter is coming.
https://theconversation.com/ukraine-war-general-winter-is-about-to-arrive-this-time-its-not-good-news-for-the-russian-army-193247
Personally, I think the winter will prove good for the Ukes. They are on home turf, the Russians are in hostile territory. Ukes have all the good winter gear from NATO, while the Russians have whatever they bought from home.
The Russians are sending in troops to Kherson in the hope of bolstering the lines to defend them over winter, meaning lots of nice targets for Himars.
The ukes have proven to be adaptable to conditions, and I believe the Russians on the front are going to have a bad winter.
Dark Orange said:
:)
Nice one.
Michael V said:
Dark Orange said:
:)
Nice one.
All washed up eh?
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:
Dark Orange said:
:)
Nice one.
All washed up eh?
not quite… Russian forces have been looting washing machines and microwaves because they contain microchips that they can’t source externally.
diddly-squat said:
roughbarked said:
Michael V said::)
Nice one.
All washed up eh?
not quite… Russian forces have been looting washing machines and microwaves because they contain microchips that they can’t source externally.
ic
diddly-squat said:
roughbarked said:
Michael V said::)
Nice one.
All washed up eh?
not quite… Russian forces have been looting washing machines and microwaves because they contain microchips that they can’t source externally.
Nothing to do with tech – The looted “washing machines” I saw were pretty basic old school twin tubs. And the toilets were just plain ceramic pans, which says a lot about the living conditions in Russia if toilets were worth looting.
Dark Orange said:
…which says a lot about the living conditions in Russia if toilets were worth looting.
Haven’t been there myself, but people who have been there have said that once you get away from the major cities, it’s still pretty much the 19th century in a lot of the country, early 20th century at best. Apparently even in the cities, it ain’t exactly Disneyland’s Tomorroworld, either,
Dark Orange said:
diddly-squat said:
roughbarked said:All washed up eh?
not quite… Russian forces have been looting washing machines and microwaves because they contain microchips that they can’t source externally.
Nothing to do with tech – The looted “washing machines” I saw were pretty basic old school twin tubs. And the toilets were just plain ceramic pans, which says a lot about the living conditions in Russia if toilets were worth looting.
ok.. I mean that makes sense I had thought I had read something the tech side though.. I’ll see if I can find it.
captain_spalding said:
Dark Orange said:
…which says a lot about the living conditions in Russia if toilets were worth looting.
Haven’t been there myself, but people who have been there have said that once you get away from the major cities, it’s still pretty much the 19th century in a lot of the country, early 20th century at best. Apparently even in the cities, it ain’t exactly Disneyland’s Tomorroworld, either,
Need a few more of those four year plans
diddly-squat said:
Dark Orange said:
diddly-squat said:not quite… Russian forces have been looting washing machines and microwaves because they contain microchips that they can’t source externally.
Nothing to do with tech – The looted “washing machines” I saw were pretty basic old school twin tubs. And the toilets were just plain ceramic pans, which says a lot about the living conditions in Russia if toilets were worth looting.
ok.. I mean that makes sense I had thought I had read something the tech side though.. I’ll see if I can find it.
I did see a photo showing what was allegedly a washing machine chip in a missile, but the washing machines being looted in Ukraine villages don’t look to be that advanced.
captain_spalding said:
Dark Orange said:
…which says a lot about the living conditions in Russia if toilets were worth looting.
Haven’t been there myself, but people who have been there have said that once you get away from the major cities, it’s still pretty much the 19th century in a lot of the country, early 20th century at best. Apparently even in the cities, it ain’t exactly Disneyland’s Tomorroworld, either,
Saw a video where a Uke drone operator pointed out a pile of rubbish in the trees and commented that the Russians weren’t hard to find.
Dark Orange said:
diddly-squat said:
Dark Orange said:Nothing to do with tech – The looted “washing machines” I saw were pretty basic old school twin tubs. And the toilets were just plain ceramic pans, which says a lot about the living conditions in Russia if toilets were worth looting.
ok.. I mean that makes sense I had thought I had read something the tech side though.. I’ll see if I can find it.
I did see a photo showing what was allegedly a washing machine chip in a missile, but the washing machines being looted in Ukraine villages don’t look to be that advanced.
It could also be that the Russian soldiers don’t know which are usefuul for their chips or not. Apart from the fact that that theirr wives probably put in an order for one of those bew fangled washing machines that the west has.
Dark Orange said:
captain_spalding said:
Dark Orange said:
…which says a lot about the living conditions in Russia if toilets were worth looting.
Haven’t been there myself, but people who have been there have said that once you get away from the major cities, it’s still pretty much the 19th century in a lot of the country, early 20th century at best. Apparently even in the cities, it ain’t exactly Disneyland’s Tomorroworld, either,
Saw a video where a Uke drone operator pointed out a pile of rubbish in the trees and commented that the Russians weren’t hard to find.
If a bird shits over the edge of the nest, the predators can easily locate the nest.
roughbarked said:
Dark Orange said:Saw a video where a Uke drone operator pointed out a pile of rubbish in the trees and commented that the Russians weren’t hard to find.
If a bird shits over the edge of the nest, the predators can easily locate the nest.
Rubbish is awfully revealing sometimes.
Even if it’s not enough to warrant e.g. an artillery strike, it can tell you about the people who left it behind.
How many of them there might be, what the state of their supplies is, whether any are injured/wounded, what their general state of health might be, in what direction they’re travelling, what sort of places they prefer for stop-overs, lots of stuff.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
Dark Orange said:Saw a video where a Uke drone operator pointed out a pile of rubbish in the trees and commented that the Russians weren’t hard to find.
If a bird shits over the edge of the nest, the predators can easily locate the nest.
Rubbish is awfully revealing sometimes.
Even if it’s not enough to warrant e.g. an artillery strike, it can tell you about the people who left it behind.
How many of them there might be, what the state of their supplies is, whether any are injured/wounded, what their general state of health might be, in what direction they’re travelling, what sort of places they prefer for stop-overs, lots of stuff.
Or in modern warfare:
“Sarge, there looks to be a large amount of litter under these trees”
“Drop a couple of rounds on it”
N̶A̶T̶O̶
̶J̶e̶w̶i̶s̶h̶ ̶n̶a̶z̶i̶ ̶c̶o̶u̶p̶
̶W̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶a̶b̶o̶u̶t̶ ̶A̶z̶o̶v̶
̶P̶r̶o̶t̶e̶c̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶R̶u̶s̶s̶i̶a̶n̶ ̶s̶p̶e̶a̶k̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶p̶o̶p̶
̶B̶i̶o̶l̶a̶b̶s̶
̶J̶e̶w̶i̶s̶h̶ ̶s̶p̶a̶c̶e̶ ̶l̶a̶s̶e̶r̶s̶
̶W̶e̶a̶p̶o̶n̶i̶z̶e̶d̶ ̶b̶i̶r̶d̶s̶
̶D̶i̶r̶t̶y̶ ̶b̶o̶m̶b̶s̶
Satanism
Dark Orange said:
N̶A̶T̶O̶
̶J̶e̶w̶i̶s̶h̶ ̶n̶a̶z̶i̶ ̶c̶o̶u̶p̶
̶W̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶a̶b̶o̶u̶t̶ ̶A̶z̶o̶v̶
̶P̶r̶o̶t̶e̶c̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶R̶u̶s̶s̶i̶a̶n̶ ̶s̶p̶e̶a̶k̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶p̶o̶p̶
̶B̶i̶o̶l̶a̶b̶s̶
̶J̶e̶w̶i̶s̶h̶ ̶s̶p̶a̶c̶e̶ ̶l̶a̶s̶e̶r̶s̶
̶W̶e̶a̶p̶o̶n̶i̶z̶e̶d̶ ̶b̶i̶r̶d̶s̶
̶D̶i̶r̶t̶y̶ ̶b̶o̶m̶b̶s̶
Satanism
What’s next
Clone of Hitler hiding, biding his time assembling army to conquer world
Ha!
Ukes bombed a fuel train at Shakhtarsk near some large storage tanks the other night:
Russia-24 correspondent Boris Maksudov filmed a report after the nighttime explosions in Shakhtarsk and showed the location, after which the Armed Forces of Ukraine corrected the fire and finished off the remaining fuel tanks.
“I heard men being beaten so badly that at one point I heard a Russian soldier say, ‘bring a body bag,’” Strilets said. “Another time I heard a woman being raped upstairs and crying for hours.” Strilets said she broke the cell’s toilet so “it sounded like a waterfall” and would block out the woman’s screaming.
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/ukraine-crisis-russia-base/
Nearly 60 Russian military personnel, including at least 10 officers, were killed after Ukraine attacked the barracks near the occupied village of Korzhove, according to Serhii Haidai.
The Ukraine offensive seems to have stalled somewhat
Peak Warming Man said:
The Ukraine offensive seems to have stalled somewhat
They, unlike the Russians, aren’t working to a timetable. And they don’t have an inexhaustible supply of personnel so if they can continue taking put 6x Russians for every one of theirs, then why attack. Bleed them while they have the chance.
Dark Orange said:
Peak Warming Man said:
The Ukraine offensive seems to have stalled somewhat
They, unlike the Russians, aren’t working to a timetable. And they don’t have an inexhaustible supply of personnel so if they can continue taking put 6x Russians for every one of theirs, then why attack. Bleed them while they have the chance.
Agreed.
The Ukrainians have the edge in motivation and morale, and in support from the great majority of the population, both behind them and in the front-line areas.
The comparatively small size of the Ukrainians’ available manpower pool means that they have to adopt some of the tenets of guerilla warfare, No. 1 of which is ‘choose your fights carefully’. For the most part, they need only to keep the Russians under some pressure, on the defensive, and prevent them from shifting troops about to their advantage.
When the Ukrainians amass the troops, equipment, and resources needed, and when they find the time to be right, they can launch their next attacks.
captain_spalding said:
Dark Orange said:
Peak Warming Man said:
The Ukraine offensive seems to have stalled somewhat
They, unlike the Russians, aren’t working to a timetable. And they don’t have an inexhaustible supply of personnel so if they can continue taking put 6x Russians for every one of theirs, then why attack. Bleed them while they have the chance.
Agreed.
The Ukrainians have the edge in motivation and morale, and in support from the great majority of the population, both behind them and in the front-line areas.
The comparatively small size of the Ukrainians’ available manpower pool means that they have to adopt some of the tenets of guerilla warfare, No. 1 of which is ‘choose your fights carefully’. For the most part, they need only to keep the Russians under some pressure, on the defensive, and prevent them from shifting troops about to their advantage.
When the Ukrainians amass the troops, equipment, and resources needed, and when they find the time to be right, they can launch their next attacks.
Yep, don’t outrun your supply lines. They will be stocking up and preparing for the assault on Kherson.
Kingy said:
captain_spalding said:
Dark Orange said:They, unlike the Russians, aren’t working to a timetable. And they don’t have an inexhaustible supply of personnel so if they can continue taking put 6x Russians for every one of theirs, then why attack. Bleed them while they have the chance.
Agreed.
The Ukrainians have the edge in motivation and morale, and in support from the great majority of the population, both behind them and in the front-line areas.
The comparatively small size of the Ukrainians’ available manpower pool means that they have to adopt some of the tenets of guerilla warfare, No. 1 of which is ‘choose your fights carefully’. For the most part, they need only to keep the Russians under some pressure, on the defensive, and prevent them from shifting troops about to their advantage.
When the Ukrainians amass the troops, equipment, and resources needed, and when they find the time to be right, they can launch their next attacks.
Yep, don’t outrun your supply lines. They will be stocking up and preparing for the assault on Kherson.
There are some skilled military planners on the Ukrainian side, while the Russians are at the mercy of whatever pops into Putin’s demented skull from day to day.
I do hope it’s over quickly but something tells me it won’t be. There’s always a bit of lag with these types between realising you can’t win and actually admitting defeat. He should probably have taken on of those offramps they gave him: just sign off on agreement that Ukraine won’t join Nato, declare it a win and move on.
Maybe he’ll get hit by a meteor or choke to death on a wishbone or something.
dv said:
I do hope it’s over quickly but something tells me it won’t be. There’s always a bit of lag with these types between realising you can’t win and actually admitting defeat. He should probably have taken on of those offramps they gave him: just sign off on agreement that Ukraine won’t join Nato, declare it a win and move on.
Maybe he’ll get hit by a meteor or choke to death on a wishbone or something.
A great victory for Russia and the Russian people and NATO have learnt their lesson, they wont try that on again.
dv said:
I do hope it’s over quickly but something tells me it won’t be. There’s always a bit of lag with these types between realising you can’t win and actually admitting defeat. He should probably have taken on of those offramps they gave him: just sign off on agreement that Ukraine won’t join Nato, declare it a win and move on.
Maybe he’ll get hit by a meteor or choke to death on a wishbone or something.
Just sad that it’s apparently too much to hope that some heroic Russian or Russians will find a way to dispatch the critter, and the various other important critters.
The other thing is that what appears to be static warfare is often anything but static.
Both sides will be doing a lot of probing and pushing, trying to get a feel for what opposition is where. Tough resistance here? OK, note that. Not so tough in that sector? Very interesting, could be useful. Keep probing both sectors look for changes.
Some of the probing will be in sectors that really are targetted for the next offensive, most of it will be in ‘unrelated’ sectors so as to not identify the target areas, but it all helps build an overall picture of what’s where.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
I do hope it’s over quickly but something tells me it won’t be. There’s always a bit of lag with these types between realising you can’t win and actually admitting defeat. He should probably have taken on of those offramps they gave him: just sign off on agreement that Ukraine won’t join Nato, declare it a win and move on.
Maybe he’ll get hit by a meteor or choke to death on a wishbone or something.
Just sad that it’s apparently too much to hope that some heroic Russian or Russians will find a way to dispatch the critter, and the various other important critters.
A patriot like Lee Harvey Oswald who took out the tyrant who invaded Vietnam.
captain_spalding said:
The other thing is that what appears to be static warfare is often anything but static.Both sides will be doing a lot of probing and pushing, trying to get a feel for what opposition is where. Tough resistance here? OK, note that. Not so tough in that sector? Very interesting, could be useful. Keep probing both sectors look for changes.
Some of the probing will be in sectors that really are targetted for the next offensive, most of it will be in ‘unrelated’ sectors so as to not identify the target areas, but it all helps build an overall picture of what’s where.
Bear in mind that the Ukrainians have the advantage of Western intelligence resources and the advice of Western strategic analysts etc.
And doubtless plenty of insider information from Russian contacts.
Bubblecar said:
captain_spalding said:
The other thing is that what appears to be static warfare is often anything but static.Both sides will be doing a lot of probing and pushing, trying to get a feel for what opposition is where. Tough resistance here? OK, note that. Not so tough in that sector? Very interesting, could be useful. Keep probing both sectors look for changes.
Some of the probing will be in sectors that really are targetted for the next offensive, most of it will be in ‘unrelated’ sectors so as to not identify the target areas, but it all helps build an overall picture of what’s where.
Bear in mind that the Ukrainians have the advantage of Western intelligence resources and the advice of Western strategic analysts etc.
And doubtless plenty of insider information from Russian contacts.
Undoubtedly. But, the old ‘bodyguard of lies’ strategy is always useful. If you can get information from a good source, but can make the enemy attribute your getting that info to another source, then your primary source can remain hidden.
If you get info from satellite or air reconnaissance or elint or local observers that there’s a particular unit in an area, well and good. If you can then send a patrol into that area to bring back a prisoner or two, then your knowledge of that unit can be attributed to them, and the true source may not be suspected.
captain_spalding said:
The other thing is that what appears to be static warfare is often anything but static.Both sides will be doing a lot of probing and pushing, trying to get a feel for what opposition is where. Tough resistance here? OK, note that. Not so tough in that sector? Very interesting, could be useful. Keep probing both sectors look for changes.
Some of the probing will be in sectors that really are targetted for the next offensive, most of it will be in ‘unrelated’ sectors so as to not identify the target areas, but it all helps build an overall picture of what’s where.
The benefit the Ukes have is an organised system of operational intelligence. While the front lines are currently in an apparent stalemate, the Ukes are doing serious damage behind the lines with their artillery. The longer this stalemate goes on, the worse the outlook for the Russians who are dug in for the winter. With no equipment and no means of getting any.
Dark Orange said:
captain_spalding said:
The other thing is that what appears to be static warfare is often anything but static.Both sides will be doing a lot of probing and pushing, trying to get a feel for what opposition is where. Tough resistance here? OK, note that. Not so tough in that sector? Very interesting, could be useful. Keep probing both sectors look for changes.
Some of the probing will be in sectors that really are targetted for the next offensive, most of it will be in ‘unrelated’ sectors so as to not identify the target areas, but it all helps build an overall picture of what’s where.
The benefit the Ukes have is an organised system of operational intelligence. While the front lines are currently in an apparent stalemate, the Ukes are doing serious damage behind the lines with their artillery. The longer this stalemate goes on, the worse the outlook for the Russians who are dug in for the winter. With no equipment and no means of getting any.
Very likely part of a cunning plan, worthy of Baldrick himself.
Not that cunning, really. A lot of what the Ukrainians have been doing has been aimed at interdicting supply to the Russian forces.
Ally that to the ineptitude and corruption that pervades the Russian army (‘1.5 million winter uniforms, you say? Nope, never seen ‘em’) and the Russians won’t be in very good condition to resist any winter offensive by the Ukes.
Dark Orange said:
captain_spalding said:
The other thing is that what appears to be static warfare is often anything but static.Both sides will be doing a lot of probing and pushing, trying to get a feel for what opposition is where. Tough resistance here? OK, note that. Not so tough in that sector? Very interesting, could be useful. Keep probing both sectors look for changes.
Some of the probing will be in sectors that really are targetted for the next offensive, most of it will be in ‘unrelated’ sectors so as to not identify the target areas, but it all helps build an overall picture of what’s where.
The benefit the Ukes have is an organised system of operational intelligence. While the front lines are currently in an apparent stalemate, the Ukes are doing serious damage behind the lines with their artillery. The longer this stalemate goes on, the worse the outlook for the Russians who are dug in for the winter. With no equipment and no means of getting any.
The Ukes have taken out that pontoon ferry and two ammo warehouses in Kherson in the last couple of days and pretty much control every river crossing. The Russians moved into Kherson to hold it over winter are not going to have a fun time of it.
Dark Orange said:
Dark Orange said:
captain_spalding said:
The other thing is that what appears to be static warfare is often anything but static.Both sides will be doing a lot of probing and pushing, trying to get a feel for what opposition is where. Tough resistance here? OK, note that. Not so tough in that sector? Very interesting, could be useful. Keep probing both sectors look for changes.
Some of the probing will be in sectors that really are targetted for the next offensive, most of it will be in ‘unrelated’ sectors so as to not identify the target areas, but it all helps build an overall picture of what’s where.
The benefit the Ukes have is an organised system of operational intelligence. While the front lines are currently in an apparent stalemate, the Ukes are doing serious damage behind the lines with their artillery. The longer this stalemate goes on, the worse the outlook for the Russians who are dug in for the winter. With no equipment and no means of getting any.
The Ukes have taken out that pontoon ferry and two ammo warehouses in Kherson in the last couple of days and pretty much control every river crossing. The Russians moved into Kherson to hold it over winter are not going to have a fun time of it.
Keep sanctions in place until Russia pays for rebuilding the infrastructure that Russia destroyed.
And use Russian oil profits to pay for it.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Keep sanctions in place until Russia pays for rebuilding the infrastructure that Russia destroyed.
And use Russian oil profits to pay for it.
Well, imposing heavy reparations didn’t do much for the future of world peace back in 1919. It did give some radical politicians a useful stick with which to bash public opinion in the following decades.
It was one thing that the Allies, particularly the Americans, were keen to avoid after WW2. They didn’t want to give any ammunition to future ‘nationalists’ in the defeated countries, and realised that you’d win more friends with something helpful, like the Marshall Plan.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-28/russian-air-travel-is-back-but-aircraft-lack-service-parts?leadSource=uverify%20wall
“Airbus SE said Russian airlines are flying more domestically than before the pandemic, raising concern that they’re doing so without the necessary maintenance requirements because import sanctions prevent the aircraft from receiving spare parts or software upgrades.”
Peak Warming Man said:
The Ukraine offensive seems to have stalled somewhat
Funny you should mention that…
According to Pro-Russian claims the Ukrainian Army has broken through the Northern defense line near Svatove & are deep into Russian-controlled territory. According to the same sources the first Ukrainian spearheads are near Nyzhnia Duvanka, much deeper than this map
Russia: “We reneg on the deal to grant safe passage for grain ships using the port of Odessa:
Turkey and UN: sails a pile of grain ships out of Odessa.
Russia: …
Dark Orange said:
Russia: “We reneg on the deal to grant safe passage for grain ships using the port of Odessa:Turkey and UN: sails a pile of grain ships out of Odessa.
Russia: …
Perhaps they are working on a cunning plan to hijack them and steal the grain
Dark Orange said:
Russia: “We reneg on the deal to grant safe passage for grain ships using the port of Odessa:Turkey and UN: sails a pile of grain ships out of Odessa.
Russia: …
Sorry we were busy wasting money on a fireworks display in Keiv.
Dark Orange said:
Russia: “We reneg on the deal to grant safe passage for grain ships using the port of Odessa:Turkey and UN: sails a pile of grain ships out of Odessa.
Russia: …
…and more grain ships loaded and on their way.
BTW, Halloween in Ukraine:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1587189730055266305
Dark Orange said:
Dark Orange said:
Russia: “We reneg on the deal to grant safe passage for grain ships using the port of Odessa:Turkey and UN: sails a pile of grain ships out of Odessa.
Russia: …
…and more grain ships loaded and on their way.
BTW, Halloween in Ukraine:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1587189730055266305
I reckon that the Russians would be very cautious about trying to blockade the grain ships.
Ukraine has those nifty drone boats, which would be very difficult to detect on radar, and hard to spot by eye at night.
Video from recent attacks with them suggest that they’re quite effective, and although Russia says that damage to its ships was ‘minor’, i think that 65 kg of high explosive going off right at the waterline is not going to seem all that minor to the people aboard the ship (a Mk 54 Lightweight Torpedo has a 44 kg warhead).
So, i feel that the Russian navy would not approach anything to do with Ukraine’s shipping without a very great deal of caution.
captain_spalding said:
Dark Orange said:
Dark Orange said:
Russia: “We reneg on the deal to grant safe passage for grain ships using the port of Odessa:Turkey and UN: sails a pile of grain ships out of Odessa.
Russia: …
…and more grain ships loaded and on their way.
BTW, Halloween in Ukraine:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1587189730055266305
I reckon that the Russians would be very cautious about trying to blockade the grain ships.
Ukraine has those nifty drone boats, which would be very difficult to detect on radar, and hard to spot by eye at night.
Video from recent attacks with them suggest that they’re quite effective, and although Russia says that damage to its ships was ‘minor’, i think that 65 kg of high explosive going off right at the waterline is not going to seem all that minor to the people aboard the ship (a Mk 54 Lightweight Torpedo has a 44 kg warhead).
So, i feel that the Russian navy would not approach anything to do with Ukraine’s shipping without a very great deal of caution.
wookiemeister said:
captain_spalding said:
Dark Orange said:…and more grain ships loaded and on their way.
BTW, Halloween in Ukraine:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1587189730055266305
I reckon that the Russians would be very cautious about trying to blockade the grain ships.
Ukraine has those nifty drone boats, which would be very difficult to detect on radar, and hard to spot by eye at night.
Video from recent attacks with them suggest that they’re quite effective, and although Russia says that damage to its ships was ‘minor’, i think that 65 kg of high explosive going off right at the waterline is not going to seem all that minor to the people aboard the ship (a Mk 54 Lightweight Torpedo has a 44 kg warhead).
So, i feel that the Russian navy would not approach anything to do with Ukraine’s shipping without a very great deal of caution.
Maybe they’ll just hit it with a missile
Blockading ships from third-party nations from arriving at or leaving from Ukrainian ports is one thing.
Blasting them with missiles is an entirely different kettle of fish. It’s an act of war on the nation to which the ship belongs, and Russia obviously has quite enough on its plate just fighting Ukraine without inviting anyone else to the fun and games, along with others who may be in alliance with the offended nation.
At the very least, it would have to be considered to be an act of piracy, and render illegitimate any further actions by that Russian warship, and, possibly, by extension, the Russian navy.
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:
captain_spalding said:I reckon that the Russians would be very cautious about trying to blockade the grain ships.
Ukraine has those nifty drone boats, which would be very difficult to detect on radar, and hard to spot by eye at night.
Video from recent attacks with them suggest that they’re quite effective, and although Russia says that damage to its ships was ‘minor’, i think that 65 kg of high explosive going off right at the waterline is not going to seem all that minor to the people aboard the ship (a Mk 54 Lightweight Torpedo has a 44 kg warhead).
So, i feel that the Russian navy would not approach anything to do with Ukraine’s shipping without a very great deal of caution.
Maybe they’ll just hit it with a missileBlockading ships from third-party nations from arriving at or leaving from Ukrainian ports is one thing.
Blasting them with missiles is an entirely different kettle of fish. It’s an act of war on the nation to which the ship belongs, and Russia obviously has quite enough on its plate just fighting Ukraine without inviting anyone else to the fun and games, along with others who may be in alliance with the offended nation.
At the very least, it would have to be considered to be an act of piracy, and render illegitimate any further actions by that Russian warship, and, possibly, by extension, the Russian navy.
Without Russian participation in the guarantee of safe passage for the grain ships, no ship will get insurance. No ship will sail without insurance. Without insurance the only other option is military convoy. Some nation will have to send naval ships to escort the grain destined for their country. They would have to negotiate passage into the Black Sea with Turkey, and they will have to be prepared to use lethal force against the Russian navy. Ukraine exports a lot of grain to developing countries, I can’t see any of them being willing to send ships into the Black Sea to protect their trade, even if they had some.
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:Maybe they’ll just hit it with a missile
Blockading ships from third-party nations from arriving at or leaving from Ukrainian ports is one thing.
Blasting them with missiles is an entirely different kettle of fish. It’s an act of war on the nation to which the ship belongs, and Russia obviously has quite enough on its plate just fighting Ukraine without inviting anyone else to the fun and games, along with others who may be in alliance with the offended nation.
At the very least, it would have to be considered to be an act of piracy, and render illegitimate any further actions by that Russian warship, and, possibly, by extension, the Russian navy.
Without Russian participation in the guarantee of safe passage for the grain ships, no ship will get insurance. No ship will sail without insurance. Without insurance the only other option is military convoy. Some nation will have to send naval ships to escort the grain destined for their country. They would have to negotiate passage into the Black Sea with Turkey, and they will have to be prepared to use lethal force against the Russian navy. Ukraine exports a lot of grain to developing countries, I can’t see any of them being willing to send ships into the Black Sea to protect their trade, even if they had some.
Maybe the RAN can teach those ruskies a damn good lesson?
Maybe the cargo ship might hit a mine?
wookiemeister said:
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:Blockading ships from third-party nations from arriving at or leaving from Ukrainian ports is one thing.
Blasting them with missiles is an entirely different kettle of fish. It’s an act of war on the nation to which the ship belongs, and Russia obviously has quite enough on its plate just fighting Ukraine without inviting anyone else to the fun and games, along with others who may be in alliance with the offended nation.
At the very least, it would have to be considered to be an act of piracy, and render illegitimate any further actions by that Russian warship, and, possibly, by extension, the Russian navy.
Without Russian participation in the guarantee of safe passage for the grain ships, no ship will get insurance. No ship will sail without insurance. Without insurance the only other option is military convoy. Some nation will have to send naval ships to escort the grain destined for their country. They would have to negotiate passage into the Black Sea with Turkey, and they will have to be prepared to use lethal force against the Russian navy. Ukraine exports a lot of grain to developing countries, I can’t see any of them being willing to send ships into the Black Sea to protect their trade, even if they had some.
Yeah taking on Russia in the black Sea seems like a good ideaMaybe the RAN can teach those ruskies a damn good lesson?
No need. We’ve plenty enough of our own grain. We don’t need to be escorting anything through the Black Sea.
party_pants said:
wookiemeister said:
party_pants said:Without Russian participation in the guarantee of safe passage for the grain ships, no ship will get insurance. No ship will sail without insurance. Without insurance the only other option is military convoy. Some nation will have to send naval ships to escort the grain destined for their country. They would have to negotiate passage into the Black Sea with Turkey, and they will have to be prepared to use lethal force against the Russian navy. Ukraine exports a lot of grain to developing countries, I can’t see any of them being willing to send ships into the Black Sea to protect their trade, even if they had some.
Yeah taking on Russia in the black Sea seems like a good ideaMaybe the RAN can teach those ruskies a damn good lesson?
No need. We’ve plenty enough of our own grain. We don’t need to be escorting anything through the Black Sea.
Australia would love to go to head to head with Russia – by God they would show them who’s boss.
wookiemeister said:
party_pants said:
wookiemeister said:Yeah taking on Russia in the black Sea seems like a good idea
Maybe the RAN can teach those ruskies a damn good lesson?
No need. We’ve plenty enough of our own grain. We don’t need to be escorting anything through the Black Sea.
Oh cmonAustralia would love to go to head to head with Russia – by God they would show them who’s boss.
Not everyone glories in military conflict as mastabatory aid like yourself.
wookiemeister said:
party_pants said:
wookiemeister said:Yeah taking on Russia in the black Sea seems like a good idea
Maybe the RAN can teach those ruskies a damn good lesson?
No need. We’ve plenty enough of our own grain. We don’t need to be escorting anything through the Black Sea.
Oh cmonAustralia would love to go to head to head with Russia – by God they would show them who’s boss.
Seems like the Russians have given up anyway so there’s almost no point.
Russian Ministry of Defense suspends mobilization
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/10/31/europe/russian-mobilization-suspended-intl/index.html
CNN —
Russia has now announced a stop to its “partial mobilization” of citizens to fight in the country’s war on Ukraine.
The Russian Ministry of Defense said in a statement Monday that all partial mobilization activities, including summons deliveries, have been suspended.
The ministry added that “all activities related to conscription for military service” have been halted.
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Military units will only be accepting volunteers and contractors from now on, the statement continued
The “partial mobilization” of citizens to fight in the country’s war on Ukraine has been beset by errors, caused angry protests and prompted a mass exodus since it was announced in September.
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:Maybe they’ll just hit it with a missile
Blockading ships from third-party nations from arriving at or leaving from Ukrainian ports is one thing.
Blasting them with missiles is an entirely different kettle of fish. It’s an act of war on the nation to which the ship belongs, and Russia obviously has quite enough on its plate just fighting Ukraine without inviting anyone else to the fun and games, along with others who may be in alliance with the offended nation.
At the very least, it would have to be considered to be an act of piracy, and render illegitimate any further actions by that Russian warship, and, possibly, by extension, the Russian navy.
Without Russian participation in the guarantee of safe passage for the grain ships, no ship will get insurance. No ship will sail without insurance. Without insurance the only other option is military convoy. Some nation will have to send naval ships to escort the grain destined for their country. They would have to negotiate passage into the Black Sea with Turkey, and they will have to be prepared to use lethal force against the Russian navy. Ukraine exports a lot of grain to developing countries, I can’t see any of them being willing to send ships into the Black Sea to protect their trade, even if they had some.
…and yet, grain ships are heading to third world nations from Ukaine ports. (At least one of the ships was heading to Ethiopia)
This snippet not from a satire site, but would be funny if true:
Russia is ready to return to “grain deal” and allow bringing grain out of Ukraine if Kyiv guarantees the safety of the Black Sea Fleet in Crimea, – Russian media
https://mobile.twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1587429372465651712
Just saw a video from Ukraine where a tank turret from an exploding tank had an air time of nine seconds.
Is there an accurate means of calculating the height it got to if we assume it’s original velocity was faster than its terminal velocity?
Dark Orange said:
Just saw a video from Ukraine where a tank turret from an exploding tank had an air time of nine seconds.
Is there an accurate means of calculating the height it got to if we assume it’s original velocity was faster than its terminal velocity?
To really accurately work it out would be an aerodynamics problem.
If we neglect air, it topped at 99 metres.
dv said:
Dark Orange said:Just saw a video from Ukraine where a tank turret from an exploding tank had an air time of nine seconds.
Is there an accurate means of calculating the height it got to if we assume it’s original velocity was faster than its terminal velocity?
To really accurately work it out would be an aerodynamics problem.
If we neglect air, it topped at 99 metres.
.292 :)
Dark Orange said:
https://mobile.twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1587429372465651712
the things that you see fall off the back of trucks!
sibeen said:
dv said:
Dark Orange said:Just saw a video from Ukraine where a tank turret from an exploding tank had an air time of nine seconds.
Is there an accurate means of calculating the height it got to if we assume it’s original velocity was faster than its terminal velocity?
To really accurately work it out would be an aerodynamics problem.
If we neglect air, it topped at 99 metres.
.292 :)
DO, t in this case = 4.5 seconds. What goes up – must come down.
Intercepted Russian phone call detailing some of the atrocities committed by the Russian military during their retreat from Lyman.
https://mobile.twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1587542713427271685
And another Komrade has a date with gravity…
A Russian lawmaker who called for an end to Putin’s war in Ukraine is comatose in hospital after suffering serious head injuries.
Anatoly Karpov, 71, who was a chess grandmaster in the 1970s before turning to politics, is thought to have been injured in Moscow some time overnight on Saturday – amid claims he ‘suffered a fall’.
Dark Orange said:
And another Komrade has a date with gravity…
A Russian lawmaker who called for an end to Putin’s war in Ukraine is comatose in hospital after suffering serious head injuries.
Anatoly Karpov, 71, who was a chess grandmaster in the 1970s before turning to politics, is thought to have been injured in Moscow some time overnight on Saturday – amid claims he ‘suffered a fall’.
Karpov wasn’t just a grandmaster, he’s a former Chess World Champion.
sibeen said:
Dark Orange said:And another Komrade has a date with gravity…
A Russian lawmaker who called for an end to Putin’s war in Ukraine is comatose in hospital after suffering serious head injuries.
Anatoly Karpov, 71, who was a chess grandmaster in the 1970s before turning to politics, is thought to have been injured in Moscow some time overnight on Saturday – amid claims he ‘suffered a fall’.
Karpov wasn’t just a grandmaster, he’s a former Chess World Champion.
KGB “Anatoly, you call yourself grandmaster but you didn’t see this coming, can’t out manoeuvre KGB com-rade”
Dark Orange said:
And another Komrade has a date with gravity…
A Russian lawmaker who called for an end to Putin’s war in Ukraine is comatose in hospital after suffering serious head injuries.
Anatoly Karpov, 71, who was a chess grandmaster in the 1970s before turning to politics, is thought to have been injured in Moscow some time overnight on Saturday – amid claims he ‘suffered a fall’.
In Russia one of the most dangerous falls you can get is a fall from grace.
Dark Orange said:
And another Komrade has a date with gravity…
A Russian lawmaker who called for an end to Putin’s war in Ukraine is comatose in hospital after suffering serious head injuries.
Anatoly Karpov, 71, who was a chess grandmaster in the 1970s before turning to politics, is thought to have been injured in Moscow some time overnight on Saturday – amid claims he ‘suffered a fall’.
He wasn’t just a grandmaster. He was the world champion.
sibeen said:
Dark Orange said:And another Komrade has a date with gravity…
A Russian lawmaker who called for an end to Putin’s war in Ukraine is comatose in hospital after suffering serious head injuries.
Anatoly Karpov, 71, who was a chess grandmaster in the 1970s before turning to politics, is thought to have been injured in Moscow some time overnight on Saturday – amid claims he ‘suffered a fall’.
Karpov wasn’t just a grandmaster, he’s a former Chess World Champion.
I see sibeen is already on it
Dark Orange said:
And another Komrade has a date with gravity…
A Russian lawmaker who called for an end to Putin’s war in Ukraine is comatose in hospital after suffering serious head injuries.
Anatoly Karpov, 71, who was a chess grandmaster in the 1970s before turning to politics, is thought to have been injured in Moscow some time overnight on Saturday – amid claims he ‘suffered a fall’.
checkmate karpov. checkmate!
Peak Warming Man said:
Dark Orange said:And another Komrade has a date with gravity…
A Russian lawmaker who called for an end to Putin’s war in Ukraine is comatose in hospital after suffering serious head injuries.
Anatoly Karpov, 71, who was a chess grandmaster in the 1970s before turning to politics, is thought to have been injured in Moscow some time overnight on Saturday – amid claims he ‘suffered a fall’.
In Russia one of the most dangerous falls you can get is a fall from grace.
In Russia, grace falls you.
JudgeMental said:
Dark Orange said:And another Komrade has a date with gravity…
A Russian lawmaker who called for an end to Putin’s war in Ukraine is comatose in hospital after suffering serious head injuries.
Anatoly Karpov, 71, who was a chess grandmaster in the 1970s before turning to politics, is thought to have been injured in Moscow some time overnight on Saturday – amid claims he ‘suffered a fall’.
checkmate karpov. checkmate!
old people are fragile, it doesn’t take much to end up in hospital
an old maths teacher at my high school slipped over on the ice, broke his hip – he never returned to the school. the school never updated any of the students on what whatever happened to him (though they never even mentioned he’d been carted off to hospital)
wookiemeister said:
JudgeMental said:
Dark Orange said:And another Komrade has a date with gravity…
A Russian lawmaker who called for an end to Putin’s war in Ukraine is comatose in hospital after suffering serious head injuries.
Anatoly Karpov, 71, who was a chess grandmaster in the 1970s before turning to politics, is thought to have been injured in Moscow some time overnight on Saturday – amid claims he ‘suffered a fall’.
checkmate karpov. checkmate!
i think in this case it was simply an old man who fell over.old people are fragile, it doesn’t take much to end up in hospital
an old maths teacher at my high school slipped over on the ice, broke his hip – he never returned to the school. the school never updated any of the students on what whatever happened to him (though they never even mentioned he’d been carted off to hospital)
Darth Putinious “Good, good think that way, take the path to the dark side”
Cymek said:
wookiemeister said:
JudgeMental said:checkmate karpov. checkmate!
i think in this case it was simply an old man who fell over.old people are fragile, it doesn’t take much to end up in hospital
an old maths teacher at my high school slipped over on the ice, broke his hip – he never returned to the school. the school never updated any of the students on what whatever happened to him (though they never even mentioned he’d been carted off to hospital)
Darth Putinious “Good, good think that way, take the path to the dark side”
wookiemeister said:
JudgeMental said:
Dark Orange said:And another Komrade has a date with gravity…
A Russian lawmaker who called for an end to Putin’s war in Ukraine is comatose in hospital after suffering serious head injuries.
Anatoly Karpov, 71, who was a chess grandmaster in the 1970s before turning to politics, is thought to have been injured in Moscow some time overnight on Saturday – amid claims he ‘suffered a fall’.
checkmate karpov. checkmate!
i think in this case it was simply an old man who fell over.old people are fragile, it doesn’t take much to end up in hospital
an old maths teacher at my high school slipped over on the ice, broke his hip – he never returned to the school. the school never updated any of the students on what whatever happened to him (though they never even mentioned he’d been carted off to hospital)
They topple easier when pushed.
Russian Army Leaves Medic Bleeding In The Battlefield, Ukrainian Soldiers Save Her
https://www.ibtimes.com/russian-army-leaves-medic-bleeding-battlefield-ukrainian-soldiers-save-her-3630938
Not. Happy. Jan.
Russian ‘mobiks’ lied to and abandoned by their commanders apply initiative, vote with their feet.
And, as our correspondent would remind us, winter is almost upon them. Not looking good in the morale stakes.
https://t.me/liveukraine_eng/1228
captain_spalding said:
Not. Happy. Jan.Russian ‘mobiks’ lied to and abandoned by their commanders apply initiative, vote with their feet.
And, as our correspondent would remind us, winter is almost upon them. Not looking good in the morale stakes.
https://t.me/liveukraine_eng/1228
Vadim Boyko, a Russian colonel with ties to Putin, and who was involved in this autumn’s mass mobilization, has “committed suicide” in his office in Vladivostosk. Col. Boyko is reported to have shot himself five times with his service pistol.
Dark Orange said:
Vadim Boyko, a Russian colonel with ties to Putin, and who was involved in this autumn’s mass mobilization, has “committed suicide” in his office in Vladivostosk. Col. Boyko is reported to have shot himself five times with his service pistol.
and from a distance as well did they say
SCIENCE said:
Dark Orange said:
Vadim Boyko, a Russian colonel with ties to Putin, and who was involved in this autumn’s mass mobilization, has “committed suicide” in his office in Vladivostosk. Col. Boyko is reported to have shot himself five times with his service pistol.
and from a distance as well did they say
We were wondering yesterday how one shoots oneself multiple times before you succeed.
I was thinking perhaps if its was an automatic weapon and you hold down the trigger and its a short burst of fire but this was a service pistol
Apparently this is a standard Russian pistol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MP-443_Grach, it mentions others that are all semi automatic as well
Could be this one as it mentions used in the Ukraine war
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makarov_pistol
Dark Orange said:
Vadim Boyko, a Russian colonel with ties to Putin, and who was involved in this autumn’s mass mobilization, has “committed suicide” in his office in Vladivostosk. Col. Boyko is reported to have shot himself five times with his service pistol.
The sheer determination of the man…
wookiemeister said:
captain_spalding said:
Not. Happy. Jan.Russian ‘mobiks’ lied to and abandoned by their commanders apply initiative, vote with their feet.
And, as our correspondent would remind us, winter is almost upon them. Not looking good in the morale stakes.
https://t.me/liveukraine_eng/1228
Извините, капитан, мы переместились на далекие голоса восьмой нити.
I couldn’t find a more recent one without investing more time than it was worth.
And i’ll refrain from Russian, if you don’t mind. While i rather enjoy the language myself, we should perhaps consider of our fellow forumites who don’t have any knowledge of Russian.
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:
captain_spalding said:
Not. Happy. Jan.Russian ‘mobiks’ lied to and abandoned by their commanders apply initiative, vote with their feet.
And, as our correspondent would remind us, winter is almost upon them. Not looking good in the morale stakes.
https://t.me/liveukraine_eng/1228
Извините, капитан, мы переместились на далекие голоса восьмой нити.
I couldn’t find a more recent one without investing more time than it was worth.
And i’ll refrain from Russian, if you don’t mind. While i rather enjoy the language myself, we should perhaps consider of our fellow forumites who don’t have any knowledge of Russian.
Sorry captain, we have moved to the distant voices of the eighth thread
JudgeMental said:
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:Извините, капитан, мы переместились на далекие голоса восьмой нити.
I couldn’t find a more recent one without investing more time than it was worth.
And i’ll refrain from Russian, if you don’t mind. While i rather enjoy the language myself, we should perhaps consider of our fellow forumites who don’t have any knowledge of Russian.
Sorry captain, we have moved to the distant voices of the eighth thread
Thanks, Judge, i read that in the original, but, as i say, ‘Distant Voices 6’ was the thread i found.
