Date: 11/10/2022 12:04:50
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1942618
Subject: Blowhole Wave Energy

Blowhole wave energy could soon be world’s cheapest clean power

The UniWave sea platform is an artificial blowhole that harvests energy from ocean waves. Independent analysts now predict it’ll create some of the cheapest renewable energy on the market – and some of the most reliable and predictable, as well.

We first encountered Wave Swell Energy (WSE) and the UniWave back in early 2021. This curious, half-sunken-looking concrete structure is designed to efficiently replicate the shape of a natural blowhole – a rock formation that channels waves in at the bottom and features a hole further up the top. As the waves move into the channel, they push out the ambient air through the hole – sometimes causing water to come spouting out as well.

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Date: 11/10/2022 12:08:00
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1942619
Subject: re: Blowhole Wave Energy

Tau.Neutrino said:


Blowhole wave energy could soon be world’s cheapest clean power

The UniWave sea platform is an artificial blowhole that harvests energy from ocean waves. Independent analysts now predict it’ll create some of the cheapest renewable energy on the market – and some of the most reliable and predictable, as well.

We first encountered Wave Swell Energy (WSE) and the UniWave back in early 2021. This curious, half-sunken-looking concrete structure is designed to efficiently replicate the shape of a natural blowhole – a rock formation that channels waves in at the bottom and features a hole further up the top. As the waves move into the channel, they push out the ambient air through the hole – sometimes causing water to come spouting out as well.

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People have been looking at things like this for ever, so I’m a bit sceptical it will actually work out as cheap as they claim, but we’ll see.

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Date: 11/10/2022 12:18:09
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1942623
Subject: re: Blowhole Wave Energy

from the article

The news is frankly pretty amazing. Part 1 of the CSIRO report finds that in its current early form, a 1-MW UniWave unit already has an LCoE roughly competitive with running a diesel generator at a remote location. But applying an industry-wide “learning rate,” the report predicts that “the WSE technology can achieve an LCoE of AU$0.05 (US$0.032)/kWh, which is equal to the current lowest cost generation of onshore wind and solar, if it can reach a deployment of 2,500 MW of installed capacity.”

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Date: 11/10/2022 12:19:53
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1942626
Subject: re: Blowhole Wave Energy

Tau.Neutrino said:


from the article

The news is frankly pretty amazing. Part 1 of the CSIRO report finds that in its current early form, a 1-MW UniWave unit already has an LCoE roughly competitive with running a diesel generator at a remote location. But applying an industry-wide “learning rate,” the report predicts that “the WSE technology can achieve an LCoE of AU$0.05 (US$0.032)/kWh, which is equal to the current lowest cost generation of onshore wind and solar, if it can reach a deployment of 2,500 MW of installed capacity.”

does the turbine only spin/generate power one way, or does it reverse and generate on the ‘inhale’ as well?

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Date: 11/10/2022 12:21:04
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1942628
Subject: re: Blowhole Wave Energy

Tau.Neutrino said:


from the article

The news is frankly pretty amazing. Part 1 of the CSIRO report finds that in its current early form, a 1-MW UniWave unit already has an LCoE roughly competitive with running a diesel generator at a remote location. But applying an industry-wide “learning rate,” the report predicts that “the WSE technology can achieve an LCoE of AU$0.05 (US$0.032)/kWh, which is equal to the current lowest cost generation of onshore wind and solar, if it can reach a deployment of 2,500 MW of installed capacity.”

Yeah, but when they actually start building them they’ll find out they cost way more than they thought, and the average output is less.

The concept has been around for decades.

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Date: 11/10/2022 12:22:42
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1942630
Subject: re: Blowhole Wave Energy

captain_spalding said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

from the article

The news is frankly pretty amazing. Part 1 of the CSIRO report finds that in its current early form, a 1-MW UniWave unit already has an LCoE roughly competitive with running a diesel generator at a remote location. But applying an industry-wide “learning rate,” the report predicts that “the WSE technology can achieve an LCoE of AU$0.05 (US$0.032)/kWh, which is equal to the current lowest cost generation of onshore wind and solar, if it can reach a deployment of 2,500 MW of installed capacity.”

does the turbine only spin/generate power one way, or does it reverse and generate on the ‘inhale’ as well?

It uses both.

I read the article.

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Date: 11/10/2022 12:27:46
From: dv
ID: 1942633
Subject: re: Blowhole Wave Energy

Tau.Neutrino said:


captain_spalding said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

from the article

The news is frankly pretty amazing. Part 1 of the CSIRO report finds that in its current early form, a 1-MW UniWave unit already has an LCoE roughly competitive with running a diesel generator at a remote location. But applying an industry-wide “learning rate,” the report predicts that “the WSE technology can achieve an LCoE of AU$0.05 (US$0.032)/kWh, which is equal to the current lowest cost generation of onshore wind and solar, if it can reach a deployment of 2,500 MW of installed capacity.”

does the turbine only spin/generate power one way, or does it reverse and generate on the ‘inhale’ as well?

It uses both.

I read the article.

What’s the impact on marine ecosystems?

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Date: 11/10/2022 12:33:32
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1942637
Subject: re: Blowhole Wave Energy

Video

Wave Swell Energy

WSE – King Island project

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Date: 11/10/2022 12:45:09
From: dv
ID: 1942641
Subject: re: Blowhole Wave Energy

I just deleted a spurious comparison from the wave energy WP article. They were comparing the linear power density of wavepower to the areal densities of other renewables. I tried to find a ref for an estimate of areal power density of wavepower, could not, so just blanked it. Better nothing than misinformation.

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Date: 11/10/2022 13:14:59
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1942647
Subject: re: Blowhole Wave Energy

Waves move a fair distance.

Would it be possible to have three of four in front of each other ?

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Date: 11/10/2022 13:19:35
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1942649
Subject: re: Blowhole Wave Energy

Which beaches have the longest waves ?

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Date: 11/10/2022 13:21:49
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1942650
Subject: re: Blowhole Wave Energy

Tau.Neutrino said:


Which beaches have the longest waves ?

Bear in mind these are waves for surfers:

https://www.mywavefinder.com/2020/04/19/the-worlds-9-longest-waves/

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Date: 11/10/2022 13:23:00
From: Bunny_Fugger
ID: 1942651
Subject: re: Blowhole Wave Energy

dv said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

captain_spalding said:

does the turbine only spin/generate power one way, or does it reverse and generate on the ‘inhale’ as well?

It uses both.

I read the article.

What’s the impact on marine ecosystems?

The blowfish aren’t thrilled.

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Date: 11/10/2022 14:04:23
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1942666
Subject: re: Blowhole Wave Energy

Shifting ocean currents are pushing more and more heat into the Southern Hemisphere’s cooler waters

So warming oceans will create larger waves, yes ?

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Date: 11/10/2022 15:13:30
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1942689
Subject: re: Blowhole Wave Energy

> We first encountered Wave Swell Energy (WSE) and the UniWave back in early 2021.

It’s been around for a lot longer than that, even longer than those giant three-bladed wind turbines if I remember correctly. Since the early 1980s?

And also, if I remember correctly, there was one of these installed in South Coast NSW, and one in Scotland.

The problem, it has to be small size. It can’t be scaled up to big size like other renewable energy systems. So it has less potential usefulness than floating wave energy systems. People can complain about it mucking up the appearance of the coastline, and it isn’t silent.

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Date: 14/10/2022 08:28:37
From: Ogmog
ID: 1943920
Subject: re: Blowhole Wave Energy

mollwollfumble said:


> We first encountered Wave Swell Energy (WSE) and the UniWave back in early 2021.

It’s been around for a lot longer than that, even longer than those giant three-bladed wind turbines if I remember correctly. Since the early 1980s?

And also, if I remember correctly, there was one of these installed in South Coast NSW, and one in Scotland.

The problem, it has to be small size. It can’t be scaled up to big size like other renewable energy systems. So it has less potential usefulness than floating wave energy systems. People can complain about it mucking up the appearance of the coastline, and it isn’t silent.

my primary concern was
how much moisture would be injected into the atmosphere
given that that too affects overall global temperature

Not much can be done about wave spray
but intentionally injecting spray into the atmosphere
of the amount required to produce wholesale energy is another matter

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Date: 14/10/2022 08:40:50
From: roughbarked
ID: 1943926
Subject: re: Blowhole Wave Energy

Ogmog said:


mollwollfumble said:

> We first encountered Wave Swell Energy (WSE) and the UniWave back in early 2021.

It’s been around for a lot longer than that, even longer than those giant three-bladed wind turbines if I remember correctly. Since the early 1980s?

And also, if I remember correctly, there was one of these installed in South Coast NSW, and one in Scotland.

The problem, it has to be small size. It can’t be scaled up to big size like other renewable energy systems. So it has less potential usefulness than floating wave energy systems. People can complain about it mucking up the appearance of the coastline, and it isn’t silent.

my primary concern was
how much moisture would be injected into the atmosphere
given that that too affects overall global temperature

Not much can be done about wave spray
but intentionally injecting spray into the atmosphere
of the amount required to produce wholesale energy is another matter

The hydro idea has been around a long time. Squirting it through smaller holes and keeping the water in a closed system while under the forces that may vapourise it, may be usable as small scale generators?

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Date: 14/10/2022 16:32:58
From: Ogmog
ID: 1944191
Subject: re: Blowhole Wave Energy

roughbarked said:


Ogmog said:

mollwollfumble said:

> We first encountered Wave Swell Energy (WSE) and the UniWave back in early 2021.

It’s been around for a lot longer than that, even longer than those giant three-bladed wind turbines if I remember correctly. Since the early 1980s?

And also, if I remember correctly, there was one of these installed in South Coast NSW, and one in Scotland.

The problem, it has to be small size. It can’t be scaled up to big size like other renewable energy systems. So it has less potential usefulness than floating wave energy systems. People can complain about it mucking up the appearance of the coastline, and it isn’t silent.

my primary concern was
how much moisture would be injected into the atmosphere
given that that too affects overall global temperature

Not much can be done about wave spray
but intentionally injecting spray into the atmosphere
of the amount required to produce wholesale energy is another matter

The hydro idea has been around a long time. Squirting it through smaller holes and keeping the water in a closed system while under the forces that may vapourise it, may be usable as small scale generators?

but “small scale” ain’t gonna put a dent in the problem we created

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Date: 14/10/2022 16:37:20
From: roughbarked
ID: 1944193
Subject: re: Blowhole Wave Energy

Ogmog said:


roughbarked said:

Ogmog said:

my primary concern was
how much moisture would be injected into the atmosphere
given that that too affects overall global temperature

Not much can be done about wave spray
but intentionally injecting spray into the atmosphere
of the amount required to produce wholesale energy is another matter

The hydro idea has been around a long time. Squirting it through smaller holes and keeping the water in a closed system while under the forces that may vapourise it, may be usable as small scale generators?

but “small scale” ain’t gonna put a dent in the problem we created


It would if it was inexpesive enough for each household to save on the big stuff.

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