It turns out that farting/belching cows are the least of our problems:

NASA instrument detects dozens of methane super-emitters from space

Ogmog said:

It turns out that farting/belching cows are the least of our problems:

NASA instrument detects dozens of methane super-emitters from space

Too many people in the world simply don’t care and with net zero emissions by 2050, only 28 years away and we have not even seriously factored in things like the methane and co2 emissions from thawing perma-frost areas. There are a lot of people that are going to have to wake up pretty fast.

PermeateFree said:

Ogmog said:

It turns out that farting/belching cows are the least of our problems:

NASA instrument detects dozens of methane super-emitters from space

Too many people in the world simply don’t care and with net zero emissions by 2050, only 28 years away and we have not even seriously factored in things like the methane and co2 emissions from thawing perma-frost areas. There are a lot of people that are going to have to wake up pretty fast.

Larissa Waters
9 h ·
If the Senator representing the Minister for Climate Change doesn’t want to talk about the $42 billion in fossil fuel subsidies in the budget, maybe Labor shouldn’t have included $42 billion of subsidies in their very first budget!

sarahs mum said:

PermeateFree said:

Ogmog said:

It turns out that farting/belching cows are the least of our problems:

NASA instrument detects dozens of methane super-emitters from space

Too many people in the world simply don’t care and with net zero emissions by 2050, only 28 years away and we have not even seriously factored in things like the methane and co2 emissions from thawing perma-frost areas. There are a lot of people that are going to have to wake up pretty fast.

Larissa Waters
9 h ·
If the Senator representing the Minister for Climate Change doesn’t want to talk about the $42 billion in fossil fuel subsidies in the budget, maybe Labor shouldn’t have included $42 billion of subsidies in their very first budget!

years ago
I learned that another source of sequestered methane other than permafrost
is off-shore methane hydrate formed by continental organic run-off frozen for millennia
which, like permafrost, wasn’t a problem… until it started to melt…
Recently to my absolute horror
I learned that the greedy bastids saw it as an opportunity to cash in on this “NATURAL GAS”

So at what point did the melting methane hydrates go from “OH NO!” :-( to “OH BOY!” :-D

Widespread methane leakage from the sea floor on the northern US Atlantic margin

Ogmog said:

Widespread methane leakage from the sea floor on the northern US Atlantic margin

Yes, and popular opinion is the burning of fossil fuels is the only cause of world emissions, yet these other and potentially much larger greenhouse gas emissions are almost totally ignored. Worse still it is commonly thought, that when we stop using fossil fuels everything will return to normal.

Ogmog said:

It turns out that farting/belching cows are the least of our problems:

NASA instrument detects dozens of methane super-emitters from space

To permeate-free.
You do know that methane is only the fourth most important greenhouse gas, right?
Number one is water, the balance between water as a gas and water in clouds, a minuscule change in the cloud formation rate has consequences bigger than all CO2 emission. Number three is CFCs and HCFCs, and there’s nothing more we can do about that.
Methane only lasts in the atmosphere for a decade.

“The Earth Surface Mineral Dust Source Investigation (EMIT) is a mission to map the mineral composition of arid dust source regions via imaging spectroscopy in the visible and short-wave infrared range. EMIT was developed at NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory and launched on July 14, 2022. The instrument observes Earth from outside the International Space Station.”

They kept that quiet!

“The device, called an imaging spectrometer, has identified more than 50 methane super-emitters in Central Asia, the Middle East and the Southwestern United States since it was installed in July aboard the International Space Station. Methane absorbs infrared light in a unique pattern that EMIT’s spectrometer can easily detect. EMIT is able to scan vast tracts of the planet dozens of miles across while also focusing in on areas as small as a soccer field.”

Brilliant. I wish I’d thought of this. We needed it 20 years ago.

“Examples of newly imaged methane super-emitters include a cluster of 12 plumes from oil and gas infrastructure in Turkmenistan, some plumes stretching more than 20 miles (32 km). Scientists estimate the Turkmenistan plumes collectively spew methane at a rate of 111,000 pounds (50,400 kilograms) per hour. Two other large emitters were an oilfield in New Mexico, and a waste-processing complex in Iran, emitting nearly 60,000 pounds (29,000 kg) of methane per hour combined. JPL officials said neither were previously known to scientists.”

Excellent. Now we have something worth fixing. We know what to fix, where. Pronto. Funding please.

sarahs mum said:

PermeateFree said:

Ogmog said:

It turns out that farting/belching cows are the least of our problems:

NASA instrument detects dozens of methane super-emitters from space

Too many people in the world simply don’t care and with net zero emissions by 2050, only 28 years away and we have not even seriously factored in things like the methane and co2 emissions from thawing perma-frost areas. There are a lot of people that are going to have to wake up pretty fast.

Larissa Waters
9 h ·
If the Senator representing the Minister for Climate Change doesn’t want to talk about the $42 billion in fossil fuel subsidies in the budget, maybe Labor shouldn’t have included $42 billion of subsidies in their very first budget!

Can someone explain to me what these $42B in subsidies are? Is this just a regurgitation of the diesel rebate argument?

diddly-squat said:

sarahs mum said:

PermeateFree said:

Too many people in the world simply don’t care and with net zero emissions by 2050, only 28 years away and we have not even seriously factored in things like the methane and co2 emissions from thawing perma-frost areas. There are a lot of people that are going to have to wake up pretty fast.

Larissa Waters
9 h ·
If the Senator representing the Minister for Climate Change doesn’t want to talk about the $42 billion in fossil fuel subsidies in the budget, maybe Labor shouldn’t have included $42 billion of subsidies in their very first budget!

Can someone explain to me what these $42B in subsidies are? Is this just a regurgitation of the diesel rebate argument?

I assumed so.

sibeen said:

diddly-squat said:

sarahs mum said:

Larissa Waters
9 h ·
If the Senator representing the Minister for Climate Change doesn’t want to talk about the $42 billion in fossil fuel subsidies in the budget, maybe Labor shouldn’t have included $42 billion of subsidies in their very first budget!

Can someone explain to me what these $42B in subsidies are? Is this just a regurgitation of the diesel rebate argument?

I assumed so.

lazy politics

diddly-squat said:

sibeen said:

diddly-squat said:

Can someone explain to me what these $42B in subsidies are? Is this just a regurgitation of the diesel rebate argument?

I assumed so.

lazy politics

Makes a grouse screen bite. Gets the punters all excited.

sibeen said:

diddly-squat said:

sibeen said:

I assumed so.

lazy politics

Makes a grouse screen bite. Gets the punters all excited.

maybe we need to demonise Big Ag a bit more… in fairness they have ruined far more land here in Aust than mining ever will.

diddly-squat said:

sibeen said:

diddly-squat said:

lazy politics

Makes a grouse screen bite. Gets the punters all excited.

maybe we need to demonise Big Ag a bit more… in fairness they have ruined far more land here in Aust than mining ever will.

Without a doubt.

roughbarked said:

diddly-squat said:

sibeen said:

Makes a grouse screen bite. Gets the punters all excited.

maybe we need to demonise Big Ag a bit more… in fairness they have ruined far more land here in Aust than mining ever will.

Without a doubt.

Not just Big Ag, the rotting and run off has been happening since forever
it was just lucky that in her infinite wisdom, Gaia sequestered organic
matter until we plowed in and thoughtlessly thought we knew better.

…so as soon as things went out of balance and things started heating up
more water vapor entered the atmosphere the permafrost started melting
wildfires added smoke as the heat got worse, land dried out and more dust
entered the atmosphere, ocean became warmer which melted the off shore
methane hydrates and acidified the ocean killing the coral and fish nurseries
…oh, did I ferget chopping down trees as fast as we could…?

ummm
can you say “Tipping Point”?
sure… I knew you could

anyway, the order in which it proceeded may be questionable however
the hopeful thing is that once the collective “WE” are out of the picture
the planet will survive, and in time proceed as if we were never here.

The Planet Isn’t Going Nowhere

mollwollfumble said:

Ogmog said:

It turns out that farting/belching cows are the least of our problems:

NASA instrument detects dozens of methane super-emitters from space

To permeate-free.
You do know that methane is only the fourth most important greenhouse gas, right?
Number one is water, the balance between water as a gas and water in clouds, a minuscule change in the cloud formation rate has consequences bigger than all CO2 emission. Number three is CFCs and HCFCs, and there’s nothing more we can do about that.
Methane only lasts in the atmosphere for a decade.

“The Earth Surface Mineral Dust Source Investigation (EMIT) is a mission to map the mineral composition of arid dust source regions via imaging spectroscopy in the visible and short-wave infrared range. EMIT was developed at NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory and launched on July 14, 2022. The instrument observes Earth from outside the International Space Station.”

They kept that quiet!

“The device, called an imaging spectrometer, has identified more than 50 methane super-emitters in Central Asia, the Middle East and the Southwestern United States since it was installed in July aboard the International Space Station. Methane absorbs infrared light in a unique pattern that EMIT’s spectrometer can easily detect. EMIT is able to scan vast tracts of the planet dozens of miles across while also focusing in on areas as small as a soccer field.”

Brilliant. I wish I’d thought of this. We needed it 20 years ago.

“Examples of newly imaged methane super-emitters include a cluster of 12 plumes from oil and gas infrastructure in Turkmenistan, some plumes stretching more than 20 miles (32 km). Scientists estimate the Turkmenistan plumes collectively spew methane at a rate of 111,000 pounds (50,400 kilograms) per hour. Two other large emitters were an oilfield in New Mexico, and a waste-processing complex in Iran, emitting nearly 60,000 pounds (29,000 kg) of methane per hour combined. JPL officials said neither were previously known to scientists.”

Excellent. Now we have something worth fixing. We know what to fix, where. Pronto. Funding please.

To moll, I think you need to investigate the science AND the consequences of methane. Because as usual you totally miss the point and misrepresent the facts. There is just so much information readily available that you must be blind or purposely avoid the facts to realise the huge problem this gas represents to global warming………….But wait! That’s right you don’t think global warming is that serious, do you?

>>While carbon dioxide is typically painted as the bad boy of greenhouse gases, methane is roughly 30 times more potent as a heat-trapping gas. New research in the journal Nature indicates that for each degree that Earth’s temperature rises, the amount of methane entering the atmosphere from microorganisms dwelling in lake sediment and freshwater wetlands — the primary sources of the gas — will increase several times. As temperatures rise, the relative increase of methane emissions will outpace that of carbon dioxide from these sources, the researchers report.<<

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/03/140327111724.htm

PermeateFree said:

mollwollfumble said:

Ogmog said:

It turns out that farting/belching cows are the least of our problems:

NASA instrument detects dozens of methane super-emitters from space

To permeate-free.
You do know that methane is only the fourth most important greenhouse gas, right?
Number one is water, the balance between water as a gas and water in clouds, a minuscule change in the cloud formation rate has consequences bigger than all CO2 emission. Number three is CFCs and HCFCs, and there’s nothing more we can do about that.
Methane only lasts in the atmosphere for a decade.

“The Earth Surface Mineral Dust Source Investigation (EMIT) is a mission to map the mineral composition of arid dust source regions via imaging spectroscopy in the visible and short-wave infrared range. EMIT was developed at NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory and launched on July 14, 2022. The instrument observes Earth from outside the International Space Station.”

They kept that quiet!

“The device, called an imaging spectrometer, has identified more than 50 methane super-emitters in Central Asia, the Middle East and the Southwestern United States since it was installed in July aboard the International Space Station. Methane absorbs infrared light in a unique pattern that EMIT’s spectrometer can easily detect. EMIT is able to scan vast tracts of the planet dozens of miles across while also focusing in on areas as small as a soccer field.”

Brilliant. I wish I’d thought of this. We needed it 20 years ago.

“Examples of newly imaged methane super-emitters include a cluster of 12 plumes from oil and gas infrastructure in Turkmenistan, some plumes stretching more than 20 miles (32 km). Scientists estimate the Turkmenistan plumes collectively spew methane at a rate of 111,000 pounds (50,400 kilograms) per hour. Two other large emitters were an oilfield in New Mexico, and a waste-processing complex in Iran, emitting nearly 60,000 pounds (29,000 kg) of methane per hour combined. JPL officials said neither were previously known to scientists.”

Excellent. Now we have something worth fixing. We know what to fix, where. Pronto. Funding please.

To moll, I think you need to investigate the science AND the consequences of methane. Because as usual you totally miss the point and misrepresent the facts. There is just so much information readily available that you must be blind or purposely avoid the facts to realise the huge problem this gas represents to global warming………….But wait! That’s right you don’t think global warming is that serious, do you?

>>While carbon dioxide is typically painted as the bad boy of greenhouse gases, methane is roughly 30 times more potent as a heat-trapping gas. New research in the journal Nature indicates that for each degree that Earth’s temperature rises, the amount of methane entering the atmosphere from microorganisms dwelling in lake sediment and freshwater wetlands — the primary sources of the gas — will increase several times. As temperatures rise, the relative increase of methane emissions will outpace that of carbon dioxide from these sources, the researchers report.<<

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/03/140327111724.htm

+1

PLUS Fracking prompts global spike in atmospheric methane, study suggests

“This recent increase in methane is massive,” Howarth said. “It’s globally significant. It’s contributed to some of the increase in global warming we’ve seen and shale gas is a major player.”

“If we can stop pouring methane into the atmosphere, it will dissipate,” he said. “It goes away pretty quickly, compared to carbon dioxide. It’s the low-hanging fruit to slow global warming.”

*
Darth Cheney

Not only The Father of Fracking
but also Father of The New RISING Star in American Politics

who (under the guise of being Anti TRUMP) is surreptitiously setting herself up run for Presidency

Ogmog said:

*
Darth Cheney

Not only The Father of Fracking
but also Father of The New RISING Star in American Politics

who (under the guise of being Anti TRUMP) is surreptitiously setting herself up run for Presidency

To quote a former president.
It hasn’t been my best week, my poll numbers are down and my vice president just shot someone.

> Can someone explain to me what these $42B in subsidies are? Is this just a regurgitation of the diesel rebate argument?

Oh, I get it. This isn’t a subsidy at all, it’s a reduction in the crippling tax that governments are imposing on petrol.

For as long as i can remember, governments have been taxing everything that they can get their hands on, and that includes petrol, taxing it to the absolute max that they can get their grubby little hands on.

Now with the production of shale oil in the USA, which has allowed them to kill off Venezuela to the benefit of Canada, they wanted to corner the world market by pushing prices up as high as possible. And the only way to do that was to cut off oil and gas supply from Russia, who wouldn’t play ball with the higher prices (OPEC is already in the USA’s pocket).

Hence the price hike in petrol. A hike in base price means a massive hike in petrol tax. More than the transport industry can bear. And everything relies on transport. The government has suddenly found that its income from tax on petrol has doubled overnight. So they pretend to be nice by reducing it back slightly towards the tax they were charging before, as a temporary measure, hah!

This is interpreted by environmentalists as a subsidy of fossil fuels, and they scream blue murder.

I think that covers it.

mollwollfumble said:

> Can someone explain to me what these $42B in subsidies are? Is this just a regurgitation of the diesel rebate argument?

Oh, I get it. This isn’t a subsidy at all, it’s a reduction in the crippling tax that governments are imposing on petrol.

For as long as i can remember, governments have been taxing everything that they can get their hands on, and that includes petrol, taxing it to the absolute max that they can get their grubby little hands on.

Now with the production of shale oil in the USA, which has allowed them to kill off Venezuela to the benefit of Canada, they wanted to corner the world market by pushing prices up as high as possible. And the only way to do that was to cut off oil and gas supply from Russia, who wouldn’t play ball with the higher prices (OPEC is already in the USA’s pocket).

Hence the price hike in petrol. A hike in base price means a massive hike in petrol tax. More than the transport industry can bear. And everything relies on transport. The government has suddenly found that its income from tax on petrol has doubled overnight. So they pretend to be nice by reducing it back slightly towards the tax they were charging before, as a temporary measure, hah!

This is interpreted by environmentalists as a subsidy of fossil fuels, and they scream blue murder.

I think that covers it.

FMD you’re a moron.

mollwollfumble said:

> Can someone explain to me what these $42B in subsidies are? Is this just a regurgitation of the diesel rebate argument?

Oh, I get it. This isn’t a subsidy at all, it’s a reduction in the crippling tax that governments are imposing on petrol.

For as long as i can remember, governments have been taxing everything that they can get their hands on, and that includes petrol, taxing it to the absolute max that they can get their grubby little hands on.

Now with the production of shale oil in the USA, which has allowed them to kill off Venezuela to the benefit of Canada, they wanted to corner the world market by pushing prices up as high as possible. And the only way to do that was to cut off oil and gas supply from Russia, who wouldn’t play ball with the higher prices (OPEC is already in the USA’s pocket).

Hence the price hike in petrol. A hike in base price means a massive hike in petrol tax. More than the transport industry can bear. And everything relies on transport. The government has suddenly found that its income from tax on petrol has doubled overnight. So they pretend to be nice by reducing it back slightly towards the tax they were charging before, as a temporary measure, hah!

This is interpreted by environmentalists as a subsidy of fossil fuels, and they scream blue murder.

I think that covers it.

What a load of absolute brown solid stuff associated with cow farts.

There are many areas where increased government expenditure would result in increased general well-being of the people, so government spending is too low.

At the same time, government income doesn’t even cover current expenditure, and this is a major reason for increasing inflation, so government income is too low.

One area where government income may be increased whilst also increasing nett (future) benefit is by making hidden (future) costs visible, so increased taxation on petrol is a good thing on all three counts.

The Rev Dodgson said:

mollwollfumble said:

> Can someone explain to me what these $42B in subsidies are? Is this just a regurgitation of the diesel rebate argument?

Oh, I get it. This isn’t a subsidy at all, it’s a reduction in the crippling tax that governments are imposing on petrol.

For as long as i can remember, governments have been taxing everything that they can get their hands on, and that includes petrol, taxing it to the absolute max that they can get their grubby little hands on.

Now with the production of shale oil in the USA, which has allowed them to kill off Venezuela to the benefit of Canada, they wanted to corner the world market by pushing prices up as high as possible. And the only way to do that was to cut off oil and gas supply from Russia, who wouldn’t play ball with the higher prices (OPEC is already in the USA’s pocket).

Hence the price hike in petrol. A hike in base price means a massive hike in petrol tax. More than the transport industry can bear. And everything relies on transport. The government has suddenly found that its income from tax on petrol has doubled overnight. So they pretend to be nice by reducing it back slightly towards the tax they were charging before, as a temporary measure, hah!

This is interpreted by environmentalists as a subsidy of fossil fuels, and they scream blue murder.

I think that covers it.

What a load of absolute brown solid stuff associated with cow farts.

There are many areas where increased government expenditure would result in increased general well-being of the people, so government spending is too low.

At the same time, government income doesn’t even cover current expenditure, and this is a major reason for increasing inflation, so government income is too low.

One area where government income may be increased whilst also increasing nett (future) benefit is by making hidden (future) costs visible, so increased taxation on petrol is a good thing on all three counts.

Nods.

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

mollwollfumble said:

> Can someone explain to me what these $42B in subsidies are? Is this just a regurgitation of the diesel rebate argument?

Oh, I get it. This isn’t a subsidy at all, it’s a reduction in the crippling tax that governments are imposing on petrol.

For as long as i can remember, governments have been taxing everything that they can get their hands on, and that includes petrol, taxing it to the absolute max that they can get their grubby little hands on.

Now with the production of shale oil in the USA, which has allowed them to kill off Venezuela to the benefit of Canada, they wanted to corner the world market by pushing prices up as high as possible. And the only way to do that was to cut off oil and gas supply from Russia, who wouldn’t play ball with the higher prices (OPEC is already in the USA’s pocket).

Hence the price hike in petrol. A hike in base price means a massive hike in petrol tax. More than the transport industry can bear. And everything relies on transport. The government has suddenly found that its income from tax on petrol has doubled overnight. So they pretend to be nice by reducing it back slightly towards the tax they were charging before, as a temporary measure, hah!

This is interpreted by environmentalists as a subsidy of fossil fuels, and they scream blue murder.

I think that covers it.

What a load of absolute brown solid stuff associated with cow farts.

There are many areas where increased government expenditure would result in increased general well-being of the people, so government spending is too low.

At the same time, government income doesn’t even cover current expenditure, and this is a major reason for increasing inflation, so government income is too low.

One area where government income may be increased whilst also increasing nett (future) benefit is by making hidden (future) costs visible, so increased taxation on petrol is a good thing on all three counts.

Nods.

…and here I was thinking that we were discussing methane and fracking and global warming…

Ogmog said:

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

What a load of absolute brown solid stuff associated with cow farts.

There are many areas where increased government expenditure would result in increased general well-being of the people, so government spending is too low.

At the same time, government income doesn’t even cover current expenditure, and this is a major reason for increasing inflation, so government income is too low.

One area where government income may be increased whilst also increasing nett (future) benefit is by making hidden (future) costs visible, so increased taxation on petrol is a good thing on all three counts.

Nods.

…and here I was thinking that we were discussing methane and fracking and global warming…

We’ll get back to that shortly. This just been a short break in transmission.

Ogmog said:

*
Darth Cheney

Not only The Father of Fracking
but also Father of The New RISING Star in American Politics

who (under the guise of being Anti TRUMP) is surreptitiously setting herself up run for Presidency

I was trying to trace it back to exactly WHEN the methane spiked and spun everything else out of control.

VICE President DICK Cheney not only served under President DUHbya Bush on 9/11/2001
but also ex-CEO from ENERGY Co / War Profiteers Halliburton based in TexASS when the World TRADE Center
was attacked by an Arab based in Afghanistan naturally Sec. of Defense DARTH Cheney went after Oil Rich IRAQ .

As a pretext to arrest Saddam Hussein , dubbed So-Damn-Insane because he claimed that the small country of
Kuwait on the Persian Gulf was DRILLING SIDE WAYS into Iraq and sucking out their oil into tankers in the Gulf,
…which is ridiculous since, of course, THERE’S NO SUCH THING AS SIDEWAYS DRILLING!!!

Fast forward to the end of the 20 year Gulf War when CEO DICK Cheney is again with Halliburtan
“FRACKING” Sideways releasing Methane across the entire world…. back to the sky rocketing the temperature,
melting permafrost and so forth…

…so, yeah… I’d trust his Republican daughter to sneak up and hamstring Trump to run for President in 2024.

Ogmog said:

Ogmog said:

*
Darth Cheney

Not only The Father of Fracking
but also Father of The New RISING Star in American Politics

who (under the guise of being Anti TRUMP) is surreptitiously setting herself up run for Presidency

I was trying to trace it back to exactly WHEN the methane spiked and spun everything else out of control.

VICE President DICK Cheney not only served under President DUHbya Bush on 9/11/2001
but also ex-CEO from ENERGY Co / War Profiteers Halliburton based in TexASS when the World TRADE Center
was attacked by an Arab based in Afghanistan naturally Sec. of Defense DARTH Cheney went after Oil Rich IRAQ .

As a pretext to arrest Saddam Hussein , dubbed So-Damn-Insane because he claimed that the small country of
Kuwait on the Persian Gulf was DRILLING SIDE WAYS into Iraq and sucking out their oil into tankers in the Gulf,
…which is ridiculous since, of course, THERE’S NO SUCH THING AS SIDEWAYS DRILLING!!!

Fast forward to the end of the 20 year Gulf War when CEO DICK Cheney is again with Halliburtan
“FRACKING” Sideways releasing Methane across the entire world…. back to the sky rocketing the temperature,
melting permafrost and so forth…

…so, yeah… I’d trust his Republican daughter to sneak up and hamstring Trump to run for President in 2024.

In fairness … nearly anyone would be better than DJT.

Not sure how even proposing fracking is considered something allowed, let alone actually doing it.

There are good graphs of methane and CO2 levels at:
methanelevels

It seems methane briefly flattened out around 2008, then took off again.

The Rev Dodgson said:

There are good graphs of methane and CO2 levels at:
methanelevels

It seems methane briefly flattened out around 2008, then took off again.

Don’t sweat it, methane is temporary.

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

There are good graphs of methane and CO2 levels at:
methanelevels

It seems methane briefly flattened out around 2008, then took off again.

Don’t sweat it, methane is temporary.

So is co2 if you take that view. However, lasting around 10 years, it is approximately 30 times worse and emissions will continue to increase to likely overtake co2 in the foreseeable future. Methane produced by melting permafrost is already beyond our control.

PermeateFree said:

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

There are good graphs of methane and CO2 levels at:
methanelevels

It seems methane briefly flattened out around 2008, then took off again.

Don’t sweat it, methane is temporary.

So is co2 if you take that view. However, lasting around 10 years, it is approximately 30 times worse and emissions will continue to increase to likely overtake co2 in the foreseeable future. Methane produced by melting permafrost is already beyond our control.

The permafrost methane is a worry plus we could get the added bonus of some thawing unknown no immunity pathogen coming back to life
Kurt Russell is too old to help this time

dv said:

Ogmog said:

Ogmog said:

*
Darth Cheney

Not only The Father of Fracking
but also Father of The New RISING Star in American Politics

who (under the guise of being Anti TRUMP) is surreptitiously setting herself up run for Presidency

I was trying to trace it back to exactly WHEN the methane spiked and spun everything else out of control.

VICE President DICK Cheney not only served under President DUHbya Bush on 9/11/2001
but also ex-CEO from ENERGY Co / War Profiteers Halliburton based in TexASS when the World TRADE Center
was attacked by an Arab based in Afghanistan naturally Sec. of Defense DARTH Cheney went after Oil Rich IRAQ .

As a pretext to arrest Saddam Hussein , dubbed So-Damn-Insane because he claimed that the small country of
Kuwait on the Persian Gulf was DRILLING SIDE WAYS into Iraq and sucking out their oil into tankers in the Gulf,
…which is ridiculous since, of course, THERE’S NO SUCH THING AS SIDEWAYS DRILLING!!!

Fast forward to the end of the 20 year Gulf War when CEO DICK Cheney is again with Halliburtan
“FRACKING” Sideways releasing Methane across the entire world…. back to the sky rocketing the temperature,
melting permafrost and so forth…

…so, yeah… I’d trust his Republican daughter to sneak up and hamstring Trump to run for President in 2024.

In fairness … nearly anyone would be better than DJT.

while you have a point there…

I’m still not about the trust DARTH’S DAUGHTER

Ogmog said:

Ogmog said:

*
Darth Cheney

Not only The Father of Fracking
but also Father of The New RISING Star in American Politics

who (under the guise of being Anti TRUMP) is surreptitiously setting herself up run for Presidency

I was trying to trace it back to exactly WHEN the methane spiked and spun everything else out of control.

VICE President DICK Cheney not only served under President DUHbya Bush on 9/11/2001
but also ex-CEO from ENERGY Co / War Profiteers Halliburton based in TexASS when the World TRADE Center
was attacked by an Arab based in Afghanistan naturally Sec. of Defense DARTH Cheney went after Oil Rich IRAQ .

As a pretext to arrest Saddam Hussein , dubbed So-Damn-Insane because he claimed that the small country of
Kuwait on the Persian Gulf was DRILLING SIDE WAYS into Iraq and sucking out their oil into tankers in the Gulf,
…which is ridiculous since, of course, THERE’S NO SUCH THING AS SIDEWAYS DRILLING!!!

Fast forward to the end of the 20 year Gulf War when CEO DICK Cheney is again with Halliburtan
“FRACKING” Sideways releasing Methane across the entire world…. back to the sky rocketing the temperature,
melting permafrost and so forth…

…so, yeah… I’d trust his Republican daughter to sneak up and hamstring Trump to run for President in 2024.

Actually, there is something known as horizontal boring

dv said:

Ogmog said:

Ogmog said:

*
Darth Cheney

Not only The Father of Fracking
but also Father of The New RISING Star in American Politics

who (under the guise of being Anti TRUMP) is surreptitiously setting herself up run for Presidency

I was trying to trace it back to exactly WHEN the methane spiked and spun everything else out of control.

VICE President DICK Cheney not only served under President DUHbya Bush on 9/11/2001
but also ex-CEO from ENERGY Co / War Profiteers Halliburton based in TexASS when the World TRADE Center
was attacked by an Arab based in Afghanistan naturally Sec. of Defense DARTH Cheney went after Oil Rich IRAQ .

As a pretext to arrest Saddam Hussein , dubbed So-Damn-Insane because he claimed that the small country of
Kuwait on the Persian Gulf was DRILLING SIDE WAYS into Iraq and sucking out their oil into tankers in the Gulf,
…which is ridiculous since, of course, THERE’S NO SUCH THING AS SIDEWAYS DRILLING!!!

Fast forward to the end of the 20 year Gulf War when CEO DICK Cheney is again with Halliburtan
“FRACKING” Sideways releasing Methane across the entire world…. back to the sky rocketing the temperature,
melting permafrost and so forth…

…so, yeah… I’d trust his Republican daughter to sneak up and hamstring Trump to run for President in 2024.

In fairness … nearly anyone would be better than DJT.

Except maybe Kanye?

roughbarked said:

Ogmog said:

As a pretext to arrest Saddam Hussein , dubbed So-Damn-Insane because he claimed that the small country of
Kuwait on the Persian Gulf was DRILLING SIDE WAYS into Iraq and sucking out their oil into tankers in the Gulf,
…which is ridiculous since, of course, THERE’S NO SUCH THING AS SIDEWAYS DRILLING!!!

Fast forward to the end of the 20 year Gulf War when CEO DICK Cheney is again with Halliburtan
“FRACKING” Sideways releasing Methane across the entire world…. back to the sky rocketing the temperature,
melting permafrost and so forth…

…so, yeah… I’d trust his Republican daughter to sneak up and hamstring Trump to run for President in 2024.

Actually, there is something known as horizontal boring

yup… it’s now called “Fracking” *
and the technology was inovated by Darth Invader’s company
that’s why tying Saddam to a chair and gagging him for speaking out then
convening a kangeroo court to try, convict & hang him was nothing short of murder

• your video link fails to mention that the liquid they’re spraying
  is a toxic cocktail known to be leaching into and poisoning the ground water

SCIENCE said:

Stark.

Kangaroo numbers are ‘exploding’ and graziers can’t get the ammo to control them
ABC Rural

tax them

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/nov/01/polluting-elite-enormous-carbon-dioxide-emissions-gap-between-poorest-autonomy-study

SCIENCE said:

I really like that graph. By colour-coding the bars in the bar-chart, it really gets the point across.

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

I really like that graph. By colour-coding the bars in the bar-chart, it really gets the point across.

This it does.

Laugh Out Loud Fuck remember when you could get paid for feeding in solar to grid, now you could get paid for avoiding feeding to grid, damn

According to Professor Blakers, Australia also had to become much smarter about how it consumed energy through measures such as demand management. This could include providing incentives for households, businesses and industry to pare back their usage or even switch off entirely during periods of stress on the grid.

maybe they can just fucking pay everyone who doesn’t have household solar to use more power each time that would be the ticket

SCIENCE said:

Laugh Out Loud Fuck remember when you could get paid for feeding in solar to grid, now you could get paid for avoiding feeding to grid, damn

According to Professor Blakers, Australia also had to become much smarter about how it consumed energy through measures such as demand management. This could include providing incentives for households, businesses and industry to pare back their usage or even switch off entirely during periods of stress on the grid.

maybe they can just fucking pay everyone who doesn’t have household solar to use more power each time that would be the ticket

The energy market nightmare. Could probably not have been an issue had energy not been privatised?

oh guess what

He said the coming electric vehicle revolution would only add to the requirement for behaviour change, arguing it would be “crazy” to load any more demand on to the system in the evening when solar was not producing. “So, when it’s sunny and windy we charge the electric vehicles and we don’t charge them at 7 o’clock on a summer’s evening when the sun has gone down and the air conditioning is going,” he said.

so that shit about bidirectional charge that the powerful people keep joking about would actually solve the problem if they just stopped joking

lol

SCIENCE said:

oh guess what

He said the coming electric vehicle revolution would only add to the requirement for behaviour change, arguing it would be “crazy” to load any more demand on to the system in the evening when solar was not producing. “So, when it’s sunny and windy we charge the electric vehicles and we don’t charge them at 7 o’clock on a summer’s evening when the sun has gone down and the air conditioning is going,” he said.

so that shit about bidirectional charge that the powerful people keep joking about would actually solve the problem if they just stopped joking

lol

You simply use the car battery to run the house while the sun isn’t shining?

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

Laugh Out Loud Fuck remember when you could get paid for feeding in solar to grid, now you could get paid for avoiding feeding to grid, damn

According to Professor Blakers, Australia also had to become much smarter about how it consumed energy through measures such as demand management. This could include providing incentives for households, businesses and industry to pare back their usage or even switch off entirely during periods of stress on the grid.

maybe they can just fucking pay everyone who doesn’t have household solar to use more power each time that would be the ticket

The energy market nightmare. Could probably not have been an issue had energy not been privatised?

just run fucking huge cryptocurrency mines with green energy then, like damn, is Australia the Mining God of the world or what

SCIENCE said:

Laugh Out Loud Fuck remember when you could get paid for feeding in solar to grid, now you could get paid for avoiding feeding to grid, damn

According to Professor Blakers, Australia also had to become much smarter about how it consumed energy through measures such as demand management. This could include providing incentives for households, businesses and industry to pare back their usage or even switch off entirely during periods of stress on the grid.

maybe they can just fucking pay everyone who doesn’t have household solar to use more power each time that would be the ticket

Why did you quote about cutting back usage when your comment was about cutting back supply?

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

oh guess what

He said the coming electric vehicle revolution would only add to the requirement for behaviour change, arguing it would be “crazy” to load any more demand on to the system in the evening when solar was not producing. “So, when it’s sunny and windy we charge the electric vehicles and we don’t charge them at 7 o’clock on a summer’s evening when the sun has gone down and the air conditioning is going,” he said.

so that shit about bidirectional charge that the powerful people keep joking about would actually solve the problem if they just stopped joking

lol

You simply use the car battery to run the house while the sun isn’t shining?

uh

This is exactly what it sounds like: the awesome ability to send energy from your EV to your home (or another type of building, there’s no need to discriminate), powering it up for potentially days at a time. As with V2G, V2H can assist in stabilising both the local and national power grid, reducing the pressure put on the grid as a whole.

If renewable power like wind or solar is used to power the EV, there’s the potential to power both the car and house for free. Charge up your car during the day when it’s sunny, then use that power for the next few nights or cloud days.

And since wind and solar power are variable depending on how much sun or wind you’re getting, an EV using bidirectional charging can be utilised to balance everything out depending on the energy demands at any given moment.

https://www.carsguide.com.au/ev/advice/bidirectional-charging-explained-a-guide-to-v2l-v2g-and-v2h-technology-86820

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

Laugh Out Loud Fuck remember when you could get paid for feeding in solar to grid, now you could get paid for avoiding feeding to grid, damn

According to Professor Blakers, Australia also had to become much smarter about how it consumed energy through measures such as demand management. This could include providing incentives for households, businesses and industry to pare back their usage or even switch off entirely during periods of stress on the grid.

maybe they can just fucking pay everyone who doesn’t have household solar to use more power each time that would be the ticket

Why did you quote about cutting back usage when your comment was about cutting back supply?

sorry wrong quote, we thought they were already doing that usage thing so it wouldn’t have been a new proposal but what do we know, we’re not in marketing

SCIENCE said:

That chart looks surprising.

Presumably the negative supply during the day is exported to Victoria, but how come demand in the early hours of the morning is so high?

People using low cost electricity for heating water etc?

Maybe the price for electricity needs to be fixed.

And more solar hot water.

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

That chart looks surprising.

Presumably the negative supply during the day is exported to Victoria, but how come demand in the early hours of the morning is so high?

People using low cost electricity for heating water etc?

Maybe the price for electricity needs to be fixed.

And more solar hot water.

someone we know has a place that uses solar hot water plus off peak boost when required, and presumably off peak begins at 0000 so lol

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

That chart looks surprising.

Presumably the negative supply during the day is exported to Victoria, but how come demand in the early hours of the morning is so high?

People using low cost electricity for heating water etc?

Maybe the price for electricity needs to be fixed.

And more solar hot water.

someone we know has a place that uses solar hot water plus off peak boost when required, and presumably off peak begins at 0000 so lol

Assuming the someone you know isn’t me, then you know at least two people who do that.

Run my dish-washer overnight to save money as well.

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

That chart looks surprising.

Presumably the negative supply during the day is exported to Victoria, but how come demand in the early hours of the morning is so high?

People using low cost electricity for heating water etc?

Maybe the price for electricity needs to be fixed.

And more solar hot water.

someone we know has a place that uses solar hot water plus off peak boost when required, and presumably off peak begins at 0000 so lol

Assuming the someone you know isn’t me, then you know at least two people who do that.

Run my dish-washer overnight to save money as well.

Do your clothes washing at night as well?

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

someone we know has a place that uses solar hot water plus off peak boost when required, and presumably off peak begins at 0000 so lol

Assuming the someone you know isn’t me, then you know at least two people who do that.

Run my dish-washer overnight to save money as well.

Do your clothes washing at night as well?

No, we need the direct solar input to power the rotational solar clothes dryer, so the washing gets done in the day as well.

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Assuming the someone you know isn’t me, then you know at least two people who do that.

Run my dish-washer overnight to save money as well.

Do your clothes washing at night as well?

No, we need the direct solar input to power the rotational solar clothes dryer, so the washing gets done in the day as well.

If you have direct solar input, you can hang the clothes on the line.

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

Do your clothes washing at night as well?

No, we need the direct solar input to power the rotational solar clothes dryer, so the washing gets done in the day as well.

If you have direct solar input, you can hang the clothes on the line.

Funnily enough, that’s exactly what we do, the line being rotational, when there’s a bit of a breeze.

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

No, we need the direct solar input to power the rotational solar clothes dryer, so the washing gets done in the day as well.

If you have direct solar input, you can hang the clothes on the line.

Funnily enough, that’s exactly what we do, the line being rotational, when there’s a bit of a breeze.

:) Mine is the old post and wires type.

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

No, we need the direct solar input to power the rotational solar clothes dryer, so the washing gets done in the day as well.

If you have direct solar input, you can hang the clothes on the line.

Funnily enough, that’s exactly what we do, the line being rotational, when there’s a bit of a breeze.

I have one of those and a clothes horse that i made myself.

JudgeMental said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

If you have direct solar input, you can hang the clothes on the line.

Funnily enough, that’s exactly what we do, the line being rotational, when there’s a bit of a breeze.

I have one of those and a clothes horse that i made myself.

I’ve still got the wall mounted horse so that the heat from the old combustion stove could dry your smalls.

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Assuming the someone you know isn’t me, then you know at least two people who do that.

Run my dish-washer overnight to save money as well.

Do your clothes washing at night as well?

No, we need the direct solar input to power the rotational solar clothes dryer, so the washing gets done in the day as well.

In the Summer you can wash at night. I used to wash when I got home from work, hang out in the dark (with a headlamp) and the clothes were dry in the morning, and didn’t fade so much.

buffy said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

Do your clothes washing at night as well?

No, we need the direct solar input to power the rotational solar clothes dryer, so the washing gets done in the day as well.

In the Summer you can wash at night. I used to wash when I got home from work, hang out in the dark (with a headlamp) and the clothes were dry in the morning, and didn’t fade so much.

Still there’s something comforting in getting between fresh sun dried sheets when you go to bed.

Peak Warming Man said:

buffy said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

No, we need the direct solar input to power the rotational solar clothes dryer, so the washing gets done in the day as well.

In the Summer you can wash at night. I used to wash when I got home from work, hang out in the dark (with a headlamp) and the clothes were dry in the morning, and didn’t fade so much.

Still there’s something comforting in getting between fresh sun dried sheets when you go to bed.

Yes, the white sheets didn’t get night drying. They get the full brunt of the sun for bleaching and drying. On a hot Summer day with a North wind, you can dry thick cotton sheets in about half an hour in the sun. And in the meantime the heat pump has reheated the hot water as well.

buffy said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

Do your clothes washing at night as well?

No, we need the direct solar input to power the rotational solar clothes dryer, so the washing gets done in the day as well.

In the Summer you can wash at night. I used to wash when I got home from work, hang out in the dark (with a headlamp) and the clothes were dry in the morning, and didn’t fade so much.

Yeah I’ve done that sort of thing.. wash and hang out clothes after midnight (mainly because of laziness). Works fine.

You don’t even need to wash. Hang just about anything over a fence for a couple of months..

Ian said:

buffy said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

No, we need the direct solar input to power the rotational solar clothes dryer, so the washing gets done in the day as well.

In the Summer you can wash at night. I used to wash when I got home from work, hang out in the dark (with a headlamp) and the clothes were dry in the morning, and didn’t fade so much.

Yeah I’ve done that sort of thing.. wash and hang out clothes after midnight (mainly because of laziness). Works fine.

You don’t even need to wash. Hang just about anything over a fence for a couple of months..

I’ll stick to rocks in the Ganges thank you very much.

buffy said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

Do your clothes washing at night as well?

No, we need the direct solar input to power the rotational solar clothes dryer, so the washing gets done in the day as well.

In the Summer you can wash at night. I used to wash when I got home from work, hang out in the dark (with a headlamp) and the clothes were dry in the morning, and didn’t fade so much.

I do that too.