Date: 1/11/2022 08:52:45
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1951033
Subject: Inside the Proton, the ‘Most Complicated Thing You Could Possibly Imagine’

Interesting article posted by Witty. Worth reading the whole piece. Some very good videos and diagrams in the linked URL.

The positively charged particle at the heart of the atom is an object of unspeakable complexity, one that changes its appearance depending on how it is probed. We’ve attempted to connect the proton’s many faces to form the most complete picture yet.

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More than a century after Ernest Rutherford discovered the positively charged particle at the heart of every atom, physicists are still struggling to fully understand the proton.

High school physics teachers describe them as featureless balls with one unit each of positive electric charge — the perfect foils for the negatively charged electrons that buzz around them. College students learn that the ball is actually a bundle of three elementary particles called quarks. But decades of research have revealed a deeper truth, one that’s too bizarre to fully capture with words or images.

“This is the most complicated thing that you could possibly imagine,” said Mike Williams, a physicist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. “In fact, you can’t even imagine how complicated it is.”

The proton is a quantum mechanical object that exists as a haze of probabilities until an experiment forces it to take a concrete form. And its forms differ drastically depending on how researchers set up their experiment. Connecting the particle’s many faces has been the work of generations. “We’re kind of just starting to understand this system in a complete way,” said Richard Milner, a nuclear physicist at MIT.

As the pursuit continues, the proton’s secrets keep tumbling out. Most recently, a monumental data analysis published in August found that the proton contains traces of particles called charm quarks that are heavier than the proton itself.

The proton “has been humbling to humans,” Williams said. “Every time you think you kind of have a handle on it, it throws you some curveballs.”

Recently, Milner, together with Rolf Ent at Jefferson Lab, MIT filmmakers Chris Boebel and Joe McMaster, and animator James LaPlante, set out to transform a set of arcane plots that compile the results of hundreds of experiments into a series of animations of the shape-shifting proton. We’ve incorporated their animations into our own attempt to unveil its secrets.

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Date: 1/11/2022 08:57:27
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1951035
Subject: re: Inside the Proton, the ‘Most Complicated Thing You Could Possibly Imagine’

Bubblecar said:

Most Complicated Thing You Could Possibly Imagine

oh, we don’t know, we can imagine combining a proton with other objects, thereby increasing complexity

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Date: 1/11/2022 09:02:41
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1951036
Subject: re: Inside the Proton, the ‘Most Complicated Thing You Could Possibly Imagine’

SCIENCE said:

Bubblecar said:

Most Complicated Thing You Could Possibly Imagine

oh, we don’t know, we can imagine combining a proton with other objects, thereby increasing complexity

Yes, the title is a bit odd. A complicated thing with lots of protons in it is more complicated than a proton.

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Date: 1/11/2022 09:07:18
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1951037
Subject: re: Inside the Proton, the ‘Most Complicated Thing You Could Possibly Imagine’

SCIENCE said:

Bubblecar said:

Most Complicated Thing You Could Possibly Imagine

oh, we don’t know, we can imagine combining a proton with other objects, thereby increasing complexity

yes, I didn’t bother reading the article because of that silly headline.

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Date: 1/11/2022 09:31:02
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1951038
Subject: re: Inside the Proton, the ‘Most Complicated Thing You Could Possibly Imagine’

Will read it later.

The title may be silly for you pedants out there, but it is a very different approach to the normal pop-science description of protons, which makes it interesting to my mind (or at least potentially so).

So thanks Witty and Bubblecar.

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Date: 1/11/2022 12:16:13
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1951114
Subject: re: Inside the Proton, the ‘Most Complicated Thing You Could Possibly Imagine’

The Rev Dodgson said:

Will read it later.

The title may be silly for you pedants out there, but it is a very different approach to the normal pop-science description of protons, which makes it interesting to my mind (or at least potentially so).

So thanks Witty and Bubblecar.

we didn’t say silly but we’ll right and out say wrong

then again “inside the proton, the physical phenomenon for which an existing particle model explains most of the behaviour but has now been shown to be incomplete in these specific ways” probably doesn’t suck as many suckers in

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Date: 1/11/2022 12:18:58
From: dv
ID: 1951120
Subject: re: Inside the Proton, the ‘Most Complicated Thing You Could Possibly Imagine’

We can precisely describe everything we know about protons in a few pages. Compare that to the complexity of a human body, or a galaxy.

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Date: 1/11/2022 12:20:23
From: roughbarked
ID: 1951124
Subject: re: Inside the Proton, the ‘Most Complicated Thing You Could Possibly Imagine’

dv said:


We can precisely describe everything we know about protons in a few pages. Compare that to the complexity of a human body, or a galaxy.

and why didn’t we know there was a river here? Under Antarctica.

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Date: 1/11/2022 12:21:11
From: dv
ID: 1951126
Subject: re: Inside the Proton, the ‘Most Complicated Thing You Could Possibly Imagine’

roughbarked said:


dv said:

We can precisely describe everything we know about protons in a few pages. Compare that to the complexity of a human body, or a galaxy.

and why didn’t we know there was a river here? Under Antarctica.

I knew, I just didn’t want to show boat

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Date: 1/11/2022 12:27:35
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1951133
Subject: re: Inside the Proton, the ‘Most Complicated Thing You Could Possibly Imagine’

It’s an interesting article, never mind the title.

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Date: 1/11/2022 12:29:04
From: dv
ID: 1951135
Subject: re: Inside the Proton, the ‘Most Complicated Thing You Could Possibly Imagine’

Bubblecar said:


It’s an interesting article, never mind the title.

fair

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Date: 1/11/2022 12:36:54
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1951143
Subject: re: Inside the Proton, the ‘Most Complicated Thing You Could Possibly Imagine’

on the other hand our concerns are that with an erroneous title, how far does one trust the article

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Date: 1/11/2022 15:52:12
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1951217
Subject: re: Inside the Proton, the ‘Most Complicated Thing You Could Possibly Imagine’

> Most recently, a monumental data analysis published in August found that the proton contains traces of charm quarks

That’s news.

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