So the first stage had the initial invasion and the plucky Ukrainians taking the punishment dished out by the Russians.

The Second stage saw the Ukrainians get their shit together and force the second largest military in the world back, regaining a lot of ground.

And now we have stage 3, where the Russians have formed a defensive line and will dig in for the winter. Will that line line hold over the winter? Will the Ukes take advantage of winter to further use the Himars to their advantage, or will Iranian cruise missiles turn the rest of Ukraine into 3’rd world?

Here is an interesting view of what’s happening:

https://mobile.twitter.com/Tendar/status/1587726245160271873

I believe that Russians have selected this orange area as their long-term defense line, evicting civilians from their homes and use them for Russian occupational troops. That accomplish several aims.

The defense line is more tenable then the current one. All positions West of the Dnipro River are under constant pressure and Russia cannot sustain the supply lines over the rivers in that sector. Having the defense line on the Eastern bank simplifies the situation.

Besides the obvious that the river poses a natural barrier, when blowing up the dam at Nova Kakhovka the already big obstacle becomes an even more daunting obstacle. Russian troops could focus the defense along a smaller front line, making use of their weak but many troops.

Using house of evicted/deported people could partially solve their bad situation in terms of outdoor gear. Instead of faulty tents, barns or even pigsties, Russian troops have a solid roof, while distributing them makes it harder for Ukrainian artillery.

As governor Vitaly Kim pointed out, putting troops from all over Russia in this area are supposed to be an incentive in terms of “fighting for your home”. The plan is move those invaders there, permanently, which delivers them better living conditions.

Overall the strategy follows the same pattern of all colonial forces: Removing the inhabitants by force or kill them. Replace the void with invaders and make them hold the frontline. All of that aspects are criteria of genocide. In Luhansk and Donetsk already happening.

Last but not least, the whole Russian strategy is to exhaust Ukraine and Western backers. Putin hopes that if he can hold the line long enough that appeasers in the West might take hold of the situation, looking for “peace”.

Phase 1 was the promise of a massive influx of NATO weapons into Ukraine.
Phase 2 was the massive influx of NATO weapons into Ukraine.
Phase 3 is the use of the massive influx of NATO weapons by Ukraine.

I think you’ll find that that matches your three phases.

mollwollfumble said:

Phase 1 was the promise of a massive influx of NATO weapons into Ukraine.
Phase 2 was the massive influx of NATO weapons into Ukraine.
Phase 3 is the use of the massive influx of NATO weapons by Ukraine.

I think you’ll find that that matches your three phases.

Ukraine is still fighting with only one hand.

It’s severely hampered by lack of air power. And there’s only so much the West can do to help.

Even if the West overcomes its reluctance to provide aircraft, there’s still the question of who will fly them. Turning out capable jet fighter or attack plane pilots who are familiar their aircraft and who can use it effectively is not an ‘overnight’ thing.

But without more air power than they have, the Ukrainians are doing it the hard way.

captain_spalding said:

mollwollfumble said:

Phase 1 was the promise of a massive influx of NATO weapons into Ukraine.
Phase 2 was the massive influx of NATO weapons into Ukraine.
Phase 3 is the use of the massive influx of NATO weapons by Ukraine.

I think you’ll find that that matches your three phases.

Ukraine is still fighting with only one hand.

It’s severely hampered by lack of air power. And there’s only so much the West can do to help.

Even if the West overcomes its reluctance to provide aircraft, there’s still the question of who will fly them. Turning out capable jet fighter or attack plane pilots who are familiar their aircraft and who can use it effectively is not an ‘overnight’ thing.

But without more air power than they have, the Ukrainians are doing it the hard way.

Thankfully, every month this goes on, Russia’s air offence loses more available parts.

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

mollwollfumble said:

Phase 1 was the promise of a massive influx of NATO weapons into Ukraine.
Phase 2 was the massive influx of NATO weapons into Ukraine.
Phase 3 is the use of the massive influx of NATO weapons by Ukraine.

I think you’ll find that that matches your three phases.

Ukraine is still fighting with only one hand.

It’s severely hampered by lack of air power. And there’s only so much the West can do to help.

Even if the West overcomes its reluctance to provide aircraft, there’s still the question of who will fly them. Turning out capable jet fighter or attack plane pilots who are familiar their aircraft and who can use it effectively is not an ‘overnight’ thing.

But without more air power than they have, the Ukrainians are doing it the hard way.

Thankfully, every month this goes on, Russia’s air offence loses more available parts.

And every month this goes on, Russia is bombing the crap out of cities well away from the contested areas.

And now, Russia is hoping to use Iranian supplied missiles so the missile attacks on cities will continue.

And that brings another question to mind – the Russians have no economy, and the Iranians won’t be supplying on credit. So what does Russia have to trade, apart from nuclear secrets?

Dark Orange said:

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

Ukraine is still fighting with only one hand.

It’s severely hampered by lack of air power. And there’s only so much the West can do to help.

Even if the West overcomes its reluctance to provide aircraft, there’s still the question of who will fly them. Turning out capable jet fighter or attack plane pilots who are familiar their aircraft and who can use it effectively is not an ‘overnight’ thing.

But without more air power than they have, the Ukrainians are doing it the hard way.

Thankfully, every month this goes on, Russia’s air offence loses more available parts.

And every month this goes on, Russia is bombing the crap out of cities well away from the contested areas.

And now, Russia is hoping to use Iranian supplied missiles so the missile attacks on cities will continue.

And that brings another question to mind – the Russians have no economy, and the Iranians won’t be supplying on credit. So what does Russia have to trade, apart from nuclear secrets?

The answer there is clear.

roughbarked said:

Dark Orange said:

roughbarked said:

Thankfully, every month this goes on, Russia’s air offence loses more available parts.

And every month this goes on, Russia is bombing the crap out of cities well away from the contested areas.

And now, Russia is hoping to use Iranian supplied missiles so the missile attacks on cities will continue.

And that brings another question to mind – the Russians have no economy, and the Iranians won’t be supplying on credit. So what does Russia have to trade, apart from nuclear secrets?

The answer there is clear.

¿ they trade glass ?

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

Dark Orange said:

And every month this goes on, Russia is bombing the crap out of cities well away from the contested areas.

And now, Russia is hoping to use Iranian supplied missiles so the missile attacks on cities will continue.

And that brings another question to mind – the Russians have no economy, and the Iranians won’t be supplying on credit. So what does Russia have to trade, apart from nuclear secrets?

The answer there is clear.

¿ they trade glass ?

Now that’s just being silly.

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

The answer there is clear.

¿ they trade glass ?

Now that’s just being silly.

speculative

Dark Orange said:

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

Ukraine is still fighting with only one hand.

It’s severely hampered by lack of air power. And there’s only so much the West can do to help.

Even if the West overcomes its reluctance to provide aircraft, there’s still the question of who will fly them. Turning out capable jet fighter or attack plane pilots who are familiar their aircraft and who can use it effectively is not an ‘overnight’ thing.

But without more air power than they have, the Ukrainians are doing it the hard way.

Thankfully, every month this goes on, Russia’s air offence loses more available parts.

And every month this goes on, Russia is bombing the crap out of cities well away from the contested areas.

And now, Russia is hoping to use Iranian supplied missiles so the missile attacks on cities will continue.

And that brings another question to mind – the Russians have no economy, and the Iranians won’t be supplying on credit. So what does Russia have to trade, apart from nuclear secrets?

The Russian economy is proving quite resilient so they’ll have no problems buying weapons. It’s the running out of locally manufactured cruise missiles and the like that will bite.

Dark Orange said:

Ahhh. The very model of a modern Major General.

Dark Orange said:

No corporal captains though

Cymek said:

Dark Orange said:

No corporal captains though

Told you that twittre is off my agenda.

Woodie said:

Dark Orange said:

Ahhh. The very model of a modern Major General.

Like a pulp you beat me to it.

“People driving around Kherson city, are reporting all roadblocks, and soldiers are gone. Flags are taken down from governement buildings. Defensive positions north of the city are abandoned.”

Dark Orange said:

“People driving around Kherson city, are reporting all roadblocks, and soldiers are gone. Flags are taken down from governement buildings. Defensive positions north of the city are abandoned.”

Suppose Gallipoli is not too far away.

Dark Orange said:

“People driving around Kherson city, are reporting all roadblocks, and soldiers are gone. Flags are taken down from governement buildings. Defensive positions north of the city are abandoned.”

The goings-on in Kherson – the removal of Russian flags, the forced relocation of civilians, then the purported halted relocation of civilians – has been raising eyebrows among Ukrainian forces.

While some may be eager to celebrate what appears to be signs of a Russian retreat, others are urging caution.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2022/nov/03/russia-ukraine-war-live-news-blinken-hails-turkish-help-as-grain-export-deal-resumes

An intercepted phone call where a Russian artilleryman ponders the fragility of life when matched against superior fire-power.

“We had 8 companies, 120 soldiers in each. Out of those 8 companies, only 45 soldiers remain”.

He also suspects his commander was “fragged”. (Not his words)

https://mobile.twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1588262345683632128

“This is it folks, over the top”.

Dark Orange said:

“This is it folks, over the top”.

Will they take a long line?
Will they reel him in?

Woodie said:

Dark Orange said:

“This is it folks, over the top”.

Will they take a long line?
Will they reel him in?

Nah, the original meaning.

I follow a few twitter accounts of people on the ground over there, and they are hinting that it’s “on”.

Dark Orange said:

Woodie said:

Dark Orange said:

“This is it folks, over the top”.

Will they take a long line?
Will they reel him in?

Nah, the original meaning.

I follow a few twitter accounts of people on the ground over there, and they are hinting that it’s “on”.

So you don’t know what “it” is?

Bubblecar said:

Dark Orange said:

Woodie said:

Will they take a long line?
Will they reel him in?

Nah, the original meaning.

I follow a few twitter accounts of people on the ground over there, and they are hinting that it’s “on”.

So you don’t know what “it” is?

It is implied that “it” is Kherson. But there are no confirmations, it may very well be one of these great Uke disinformation campaigns.

Dark Orange said:

“This is it folks, over the top”.

What’s over the top?

Tau.Neutrino said:

Dark Orange said:

“This is it folks, over the top”.

What’s over the top?

It comes from old style war games. Over the top means everyone is about to become machine gun fodder. If you refused to go, your officer was within his rights to blow your skull open with his service revolver.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Dark Orange said:

“This is it folks, over the top”.

What’s over the top?

“Going over the top” is a WWI term for grabbing your kit and climbing out of your trench for an assault.

Overview of Russian equipment losses added on 09/11/2022

Overview of Ukrainian equipment losses added on 09/11/2022

Dark Orange said:

Overview of Russian equipment losses added on 09/11/2022

Overview of Ukrainian equipment losses added on 09/11/2022

But the Ukranians have lost a lot of non-military stuff.

roughbarked said:

Dark Orange said:

Overview of Russian equipment losses added on 09/11/2022

Overview of Ukrainian equipment losses added on 09/11/2022

But the Ukranians have lost a lot of non-military stuff.

Schools: a few.
Kindergartens: several.
Hospitals: some.
Roads: a lot.
Civilians: many.

Dark Orange said:

Overview of Russian equipment losses added on 09/11/2022

Overview of Ukrainian equipment losses added on 09/11/2022

And there will be more in the coming days.

Russian soldiers have just found out they are leaving Kherson, from the TV. None of them wish to be the last ones out, creating a chaotic rush, choking the few routes out of the region and I would suspect the Ukrainian artillery would dissuade the idea of hanging around in an armoured traffic jam.

Dark Orange said:

Dark Orange said:

Overview of Russian equipment losses added on 09/11/2022

Overview of Ukrainian equipment losses added on 09/11/2022

And there will be more in the coming days.

Russian soldiers have just found out they are leaving Kherson, from the TV. None of them wish to be the last ones out, creating a chaotic rush, choking the few routes out of the region and I would suspect the Ukrainian artillery would dissuade the idea of hanging around in an armoured traffic jam.

I really doubt Ukraine would waste ordinance on retreating soldiers backs. Some of them could be cousins who were conscripted.

roughbarked said:

Dark Orange said:

Dark Orange said:

Overview of Russian equipment losses added on 09/11/2022

Overview of Ukrainian equipment losses added on 09/11/2022

And there will be more in the coming days.

Russian soldiers have just found out they are leaving Kherson, from the TV. None of them wish to be the last ones out, creating a chaotic rush, choking the few routes out of the region and I would suspect the Ukrainian artillery would dissuade the idea of hanging around in an armoured traffic jam.

I really doubt Ukraine would waste ordinance on retreating soldiers backs. Some of them could be cousins who were conscripted.

The Ukes have made it clear that they arent stopping until Crimea has been reclaimed. Every Russian soldier they allow to leave is a Russian soldier they will have to face again.

And every Ukrainian soldier has a relative who was tortured/murdered/raped by the Russian armed forces.

There will be no mercy shown.
The Ukes have made

Dark Orange said:

roughbarked said:

Dark Orange said:

And there will be more in the coming days.

Russian soldiers have just found out they are leaving Kherson, from the TV. None of them wish to be the last ones out, creating a chaotic rush, choking the few routes out of the region and I would suspect the Ukrainian artillery would dissuade the idea of hanging around in an armoured traffic jam.

I really doubt Ukraine would waste ordinance on retreating soldiers backs. Some of them could be cousins who were conscripted.

The Ukes have made it clear that they arent stopping until Crimea has been reclaimed. Every Russian soldier they allow to leave is a Russian soldier they will have to face again.

And every Ukrainian soldier has a relative who was tortured/murdered/raped by the Russian armed forces.

There will be no mercy shown.
The Ukes have made

I get that.

Interesting theory I heard today…

Putin waited until an unfavourable (for him) result in the US midterms before giving up on Kherson.

Dark Orange said:

Interesting theory I heard today…

Putin waited until an unfavourable (for him) result in the US midterms before giving up on Kherson.

(shrugs) He gave up plenty of territory in the two months running into the election.

Hey DO, did you watch that video on the A-10?

diddly-squat said:

Hey DO, did you watch that video on the A-10?

12 hour days makes time for youchoobs a premium, but have it bookmarked for the weekend.

Looks like the Russians can’t even retreat properly.

This will be, no doubt, be the turning point in the war. There will be dates with gravity by party officials and a retaliatory volley of the last few precious missiles into Kyiv in 24 hours I should expect.

Dark Orange said:

Looks like the Russians can’t even retreat properly.

This will be, no doubt, be the turning point in the war. There will be dates with gravity by party officials and a retaliatory volley of the last few precious missiles into Kyiv in 24 hours I should expect.

“The dildo of consequence rarely arrives lubed”

https://mobile.twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1590794079813926912

The video above shows a salvo of BM-21 grad rocket systems. War is not a pleasant experience, especially to those at the other end of those rockets.

So… much happenings.

Russia’s forced retreat from Kherson was a chaotic rout and there is a strong likelihood that many did not make it.

Where to from here? The Ukes now have free forces around Kherson that can head north, maybe leading to more contested areas being freed up in the next week or so.

I can’t see the Ukes wanting to cross the river at Kherson to take in the well dug-in Russian forces there, but they don’t really need to – they have all winter to soften them up.

And the Black Sea Fleet will be kept on their toes as well…

The Ukes lobbed some artillery on the little peninsula and made a bit of noise and the twitterverse has been awash with enigmatic rumours that “something is happening” down that way.

Have the ukes made an amphibious landing in an attempt to hit the Russians from the rear? Or is it a feint designed to draw troops away from the area of the true attack?

The Russians don’t have much of a choice, the Ukrainians are dictating the play now.

It’s curious that the forward military budget of Russia has only increased 35% since the pre-war period, but the domestic security budget has increased 45%. It seems they are expected trouble at home.

dv said:

It’s curious that the forward military budget of Russia has only increased 35% since the pre-war period, but the domestic security budget has increased 45%. It seems they are expected trouble at home.

well, when the war is over and all those conscripts are demobbed and return home…oh hang on.

dv said:

It’s curious that the forward military budget of Russia has only increased 35% since the pre-war period, but the domestic security budget has increased 45%. It seems they are expected trouble at home.

the russians are making money hand over fist, inflation is decreasing, war output is ramping up (like the mobilisation of anything up to 500,000 troops – or more)

the thing with the russians – they aint stupid. they pulled out of the west bank of kherson of leaving 30,000 troops bottled up and killed. the germans lost 98,000 soldiers in stalingrad because they refused to retreat – only 3000 ever came back. tactical retreats – sure. the russians have fought (and won) twice. they don’t mind retreating. napoleon got to moscow, looted the place and then held out until the snow started falling, the russian army harrassed him all the way back

the lancet has been very effective, its a matter of grinding it out and turning uko tanks into scrap metal – i’m sure bushmasters will be fine if they get hit with 3kg of shaped warhead

Video nothum aliquem ignobilem didicisse quomodo interpres utatur

party_pants said:

Video nothum aliquem ignobilem didicisse quomodo interpres utatur

i’m fluent in wingdings

Indonesian officials say Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov taken to hospital

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-11-14/sergey-lavrov-taken-to-hospital-in-bali-g20-summit/101653392

I wonder if he had a fall.

sibeen said:

Indonesian officials say Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov taken to hospital

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-11-14/sergey-lavrov-taken-to-hospital-in-bali-g20-summit/101653392

I wonder if he had a fall.

severe bali belly.

Bogsnorkler said:

sibeen said:

Indonesian officials say Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov taken to hospital

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-11-14/sergey-lavrov-taken-to-hospital-in-bali-g20-summit/101653392

I wonder if he had a fall.

severe bali belly flop.

fixed

sibeen said:

Bogsnorkler said:

sibeen said:

Indonesian officials say Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov taken to hospital

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-11-14/sergey-lavrov-taken-to-hospital-in-bali-g20-summit/101653392

I wonder if he had a fall.

severe bali belly flop.

fixed

He posted a video of him sitting on a porch saying he wasn’t in hospital. The footage was later geolocated to being taken in hospital grounds :)

Unconfirmed reports this morning that the town on the other side of the Antononvsky bridge (Olensky) is now flying the Ukrainian flag.

Ukes have just performed the “Lomu Sidestep”?

Dark Orange said:

sibeen said:

Bogsnorkler said:

severe bali belly flop.

fixed

He posted a video of him sitting on a porch saying he wasn’t in hospital. The footage was later geolocated to being taken in hospital grounds :)

¿ so like all the COVID-19 cases in Australia that aren’t hospitalised but yet prove that our hospital system can treat enough patients, he’s a patient physically outside the hospital ?

SCIENCE said:

Dark Orange said:

sibeen said:

fixed

He posted a video of him sitting on a porch saying he wasn’t in hospital. The footage was later geolocated to being taken in hospital grounds :)

¿ so like all the COVID-19 cases in Australia that aren’t hospitalised but yet prove that our hospital system can treat enough patients, he’s a patient physically outside the hospital ?

Exactly not like that.

Dark Orange said:

Unconfirmed reports this morning that the town on the other side of the Antononvsky bridge (Olensky) is now flying the Ukrainian flag.

Ukes have just performed the “Lomu Sidestep”?

Bravo Zulu, Ukes, but one thing about a bridgehead on a far shore is that you have to be ready to exploit it, or at least to support it.

Dark Orange said:

SCIENCE said:

Dark Orange said:

He posted a video of him sitting on a porch saying he wasn’t in hospital. The footage was later geolocated to being taken in hospital grounds :)

¿ so like all the COVID-19 cases in Australia that aren’t hospitalised but yet prove that our hospital system can treat enough patients, he’s a patient physically outside the hospital ?

Exactly not like that.

Those people are known as outpatients.

Tamb said:

Dark Orange said:

SCIENCE said:

¿ so like all the COVID-19 cases in Australia that aren’t hospitalised but yet prove that our hospital system can treat enough patients, he’s a patient physically outside the hospital ?

Exactly not like that.

Those people are known as outpatients.

I dunno, i’d take his denials with a grain of salt.

Officially, there was no Russians in the Korean War, either, but there was also no North Koreans flying those MiG-15s.

captain_spalding said:

Dark Orange said:

Unconfirmed reports this morning that the town on the other side of the Antononvsky bridge (Olensky) is now flying the Ukrainian flag.

Ukes have just performed the “Lomu Sidestep”?

Bravo Zulu, Ukes, but one thing about a bridgehead on a far shore is that you have to be ready to exploit it, or at least to support it.

There are suggestions that they just walked into a ghost town, empty of Russians. If that is correct, then the next week may be a productive one indeed for them.

Dark Orange said:

captain_spalding said:

Dark Orange said:

Unconfirmed reports this morning that the town on the other side of the Antononvsky bridge (Olensky) is now flying the Ukrainian flag.

Ukes have just performed the “Lomu Sidestep”?

Bravo Zulu, Ukes, but one thing about a bridgehead on a far shore is that you have to be ready to exploit it, or at least to support it.

There are suggestions that they just walked into a ghost town, empty of Russians. If that is correct, then the next week may be a productive one indeed for them.

A large russkie depot near nova kharkovka got flattened a couple of days ago with 100+ casualties.

I reckon they may have made a strategic retreat from the Ukes artillery range.

Dark Orange said:

Unconfirmed reports this morning that the town on the other side of the Antononvsky bridge (Olensky) is now flying the Ukrainian flag.

Ukes have just performed the “Lomu Sidestep”?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvztxcimU7g

Link

Ukrainian Army crossed the river in Kherson

Bogsnorkler said:

Dark Orange said:

Unconfirmed reports this morning that the town on the other side of the Antononvsky bridge (Olensky) is now flying the Ukrainian flag.

Ukes have just performed the “Lomu Sidestep”?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvztxcimU7g

Link

Ukrainian Army crossed the river in Kherson

The next 24 hours will be revealing, I think.

Russia has had no real ability to strengthen its defences in Crimea since the bridge was damaged, and the troops and equipment remaining would be the ones that ran from Kherson.

They know they can’t take on the Ukes, and there is no way off the peninsula or for resupply until the bridge is repaired next month.

If the Ukes get a decent foothold on the Left Bank, there is probably very little that will stop them from taking it.

The head of football’s world governing body, Fifa, issued a plea on Tuesday for a ceasefire in the war in Ukraine for the duration of the World Cup, calling for all sides to use the tournament as a “positive trigger” to work towards a resolution.

Gianni Infantino, speaking during a lunch with leaders of the G20 major economies on the Indonesian island of Bali, said the month-long World Cup, which starts in Qatar on Sunday, offered a unique platform for peace. Fifa’s president said:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2022/nov/15/russia-ukraine-war-live-news-updates-kherson-victory-marks-beginning-of-end-of-russian-war-zelenskiy-says

Gianni sound like he’ running around with a few roos loose in the top paddock.

sibeen said:

The head of football’s world governing body, Fifa, issued a plea on Tuesday for a ceasefire in the war in Ukraine for the duration of the World Cup, calling for all sides to use the tournament as a “positive trigger” to work towards a resolution.

Gianni Infantino, speaking during a lunch with leaders of the G20 major economies on the Indonesian island of Bali, said the month-long World Cup, which starts in Qatar on Sunday, offered a unique platform for peace. Fifa’s president said:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2022/nov/15/russia-ukraine-war-live-news-updates-kherson-victory-marks-beginning-of-end-of-russian-war-zelenskiy-says

Gianni sound like he’ running around with a few roos loose in the top paddock.

Or just a plain misunderstanding of the nature of war. Right now a cease-fire helps Russia re-group, re-arm, re-supply etc. For Ukraine to have any chance of driving them out of Crimea they need to keep the Russians on the hop constantly. So I don’t like the chances of cease-fire to appease the world’s (second) most corrupt sporting organisation.

party_pants said:

sibeen said:

The head of football’s world governing body, Fifa, issued a plea on Tuesday for a ceasefire in the war in Ukraine for the duration of the World Cup, calling for all sides to use the tournament as a “positive trigger” to work towards a resolution.

Gianni Infantino, speaking during a lunch with leaders of the G20 major economies on the Indonesian island of Bali, said the month-long World Cup, which starts in Qatar on Sunday, offered a unique platform for peace. Fifa’s president said:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2022/nov/15/russia-ukraine-war-live-news-updates-kherson-victory-marks-beginning-of-end-of-russian-war-zelenskiy-says

Gianni sound like he’ running around with a few roos loose in the top paddock.

Or just a plain misunderstanding of the nature of war. Right now a cease-fire helps Russia re-group, re-arm, re-supply etc. For Ukraine to have any chance of driving them out of Crimea they need to keep the Russians on the hop constantly. So I don’t like the chances of cease-fire to appease the world’s (second) most corrupt sporting organisation.

dude… FIFA is waaaaaaaaaaaay more corrupt than the IOC

“One of the shot down Russian missiles was a X-55 with a blank warhead. X-55 are usually delivery systems for nuclear warheads. Unit price of the missile is 13 Million USD.”

This youtube video explains why the Russians would have used a $13M missile to deliver a lump of concrete to Ukraine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fz59GWeTIik&ab_channel=Perun

The Russians keep losing officers. Col. Vadim Boyko and Roman Malyk.

Tau.Neutrino said:

The Russians keep losing officers. Col. Vadim Boyko and Roman Malyk.

They were not “lost”, but “Purged”.

Dark Orange said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

The Russians keep losing officers. Col. Vadim Boyko and Roman Malyk.

They were not “lost”, but “Purged”.

“Putined”

Dark Orange said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

The Russians keep losing officers. Col. Vadim Boyko and Roman Malyk.

They were not “lost”, but “Purged”.

Yes. Very probably, its difficult to think how someone can shoot themselves 5 times in the chest.

Tamb said:

Dark Orange said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

The Russians keep losing officers. Col. Vadim Boyko and Roman Malyk.

They were not “lost”, but “Purged”.

“Putined”

Very Putined.

Here is a Russian Journalist talking about Putin.

‘He is really close to his defeat’: Russian journalist on Putin

Tau.Neutrino said:

Dark Orange said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

The Russians keep losing officers. Col. Vadim Boyko and Roman Malyk.

They were not “lost”, but “Purged”.

Yes. Very probably, its difficult to think how someone can shoot themselves 5 times in the chest.

Note that there are several conflicting stories. Even if there are 5 used cartridges and weapons laying about, there is no reliable report saying all were aimed at himself.
One report (that seems to not be reported as it ruins the narrative) is that he died from a single shot to the temple.

Dark Orange said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Dark Orange said:

They were not “lost”, but “Purged”.

Yes. Very probably, its difficult to think how someone can shoot themselves 5 times in the chest.

Note that there are several conflicting stories. Even if there are 5 used cartridges and weapons laying about, there is no reliable report saying all were aimed at himself.
One report (that seems to not be reported as it ruins the narrative) is that he died from a single shot to the temple.

Read that temple article as well.

A temple shot and 5 times to the chest?

No one can do that.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Dark Orange said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Yes. Very probably, its difficult to think how someone can shoot themselves 5 times in the chest.

Note that there are several conflicting stories. Even if there are 5 used cartridges and weapons laying about, there is no reliable report saying all were aimed at himself.
One report (that seems to not be reported as it ruins the narrative) is that he died from a single shot to the temple.

Read that temple article as well.

A temple shot and 5 times to the chest?

No one can do that.

John Lennon got five .38 bullets to the chest and was still alive on the way to the hospital for a bit..

Vladimir Putin is now sidelined on the world stage

World leaders met all week to address global issues. Putin appears to no longer have a seat at the table.

SCIENCE said:

Most likely sabotage

From the Russian perspective it’s a matter of turning ukraine into matchsticks.

There ain’t going to be negotiations now, the west and it’s allies can’t stick to treaties.

The extra money made by Russia is going to be swallowed by making weapons.

SCIENCE said:

Yup, high pressure gas line went bang in a forest just out of town.
Might be a cold winter for some Russians.

Dark Orange said:

SCIENCE said:

Yup, high pressure gas line went bang in a forest just out of town.
Might be a cold winter for some Russians.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jEp6SlW47U

Link

Warthog.

JudgeMental said:

Dark Orange said:

SCIENCE said:

Yup, high pressure gas line went bang in a forest just out of town.
Might be a cold winter for some Russians.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jEp6SlW47U

Link

Warthog.

I hate those videos with artificial voices.

Dark Orange said:

JudgeMental said:

Dark Orange said:

Yup, high pressure gas line went bang in a forest just out of town.
Might be a cold winter for some Russians.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jEp6SlW47U

Link

Warthog.

I hate those videos with artificial voices.

view revenue farms love them

wookiemeister said:

SCIENCE said:

Most likely sabotage

From the Russian perspective it’s a matter of turning ukraine into matchsticks.

There ain’t going to be negotiations now, the west and it’s allies can’t stick to treaties.

The extra money made by Russia is going to be swallowed by making weapons.

:)))))))))))))))

Dark Orange said:

SCIENCE said:

Yup, high pressure gas line went bang in a forest just out of town.
Might be a cold winter for some Russians.

Should make smoking illegal in Russia.

PermeateFree said:

wookiemeister said:

SCIENCE said:

Most likely sabotage

From the Russian perspective it’s a matter of turning ukraine into matchsticks.

There ain’t going to be negotiations now, the west and it’s allies can’t stick to treaties.

The extra money made by Russia is going to be swallowed by making weapons.

:)))))))))))))))

Europe are going to stop buying oil and gas from Russia. They will buy from Norway, the middle east and in particular the US instead. The extra money is going to go to the US, and by extension to provide more weapons to Ukraine. Russia will make less money and the sanctions will cripple their economy.

Dark Orange said:

SCIENCE said:

Yup, high pressure gas line went bang in a forest just out of town.
Might be a cold winter for some Russians.

The Russians will soon announce who’s guilty. Just like the last time, it’ll be the Royal Navy at the bottom of it. You just wait and see.

SCIENCE said:

It’s the end of the world as we know it.

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

It’s the end of the world as we know it.

As long as Russia has plenty of vodka, cigarettes and beetroots they’ll be happy.

captain_spalding said:

Dark Orange said:

SCIENCE said:

Yup, high pressure gas line went bang in a forest just out of town.
Might be a cold winter for some Russians.

The Russians will soon announce who’s guilty. Just like the last time, it’ll be the Royal Navy at the bottom of it. You just wait and see.

Probably Ivan will get the blame.

You know Putin spent a lot of time studying politics, he was a KGB agent, he met Ronald Regan, had lots of diplomatic experience, spent years climbing to the top, spent years getting rid of his adversaries and political enemies, this was going to be his moment.

But instead of being his moment, instead of that he fucked up badly, he has lost over 100,000 troops, dozens of top officers, 16 ships and boats, 261 helicopters, 278 aircraft, 1861 artillery pieces, 2885 tanks and 5815 armoured combat vehicles.

Now he is sidelined, no longer part of any G alliance, and is facing sanctions, Putin spent his whole life devoted to this moment.

Now it has come to this.

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

It’s the end of the world as we know it.

and I feel fine.

Tau.Neutrino said:

captain_spalding said:

Dark Orange said:

Yup, high pressure gas line went bang in a forest just out of town.
Might be a cold winter for some Russians.

The Russians will soon announce who’s guilty. Just like the last time, it’ll be the Royal Navy at the bottom of it. You just wait and see.

Probably Ivan will get the blame.

You know Putin spent a lot of time studying politics, he was a KGB agent, he met Ronald Regan, had lots of diplomatic experience, spent years climbing to the top, spent years getting rid of his adversaries and political enemies, this was going to be his moment.

But instead of being his moment, instead of that he fucked up badly, he has lost over 100,000 troops, dozens of top officers, 16 ships and boats, 261 helicopters, 278 aircraft, 1861 artillery pieces, 2885 tanks and 5815 armoured combat vehicles.

Now he is sidelined, no longer part of any G alliance, and is facing sanctions, Putin spent his whole life devoted to this moment.

Now it has come to this.

Putin the war criminal.

JudgeMental said:

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

It’s the end of the world as we know it.

and I feel fine.

… That’s great, it starts with an earthquake
Birds and snakes, and aeroplanes
And Lenny Bruce is not afraid

… Eye of a hurricane, listen to yourself churn
World serves its own needs
Don’t mis-serve your own needs
Speed it up a notch, speed, grunt, no, strength
The ladder starts to clatter
With a fear of height, down, height
Wire in a fire, represent the seven games
And a government for hire and a combat site
Left her, wasn’t coming in a hurry
With the Furies breathing down your neck

… Team by team, reporters baffled, trumped, tethered, cropped
Look at that low plane, fine, then
Uh oh, overflow, population, common group
But it’ll do, save yourself, serve yourself
World serves its own needs, listen to your heart bleed
Tell me with the Rapture and the reverent in the right, right
You vitriolic, patriotic, slam fight, bright light
Feeling pretty psyched

… It’s the end of the world as we know it
It’s the end of the world as we know it
It’s the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine

… Six o’clock, T.V. hour, don’t get caught in foreign tower
Slash and burn, return, listen to yourself churn
Lock him in uniform, book burning, bloodletting
Every motive escalate, automotive incinerate
Light a candle, light a motive, step down, step down
Watch your heel crush, crush, uh oh
This means no fear, cavalier, renegade and steering clear
A tournament, a tournament, a tournament of lies
Offer me solutions, offer me alternatives and I decline

… It’s the end of the world as we know it (I had some time alone)
It’s the end of the world as we know it (I had some time alone)
It’s the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine (time I had some time alone)
I feel fine (I feel fine)

… It’s the end of the world as we know it (time I had some time alone)
It’s the end of the world as we know it (time I had some time alone)
It’s the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine (time I had some time alone)

… The other night I drifted nice continental drift divide
Mountains sit in a line, Leonard Bernstein
Leonid Brezhnev, Lenny Bruce and Lester Bangs
Birthday party, cheesecake, jellybean, boom
You symbiotic, patriotic, slam but neck, right, right

… It’s the end of the world as we know it (time I had some time alone)
It’s the end of the world as we know it (time I had some time alone)
It’s the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine (time I had some time alone)

… It’s the end of the world as we know it
It’s the end of the world as we know it
It’s the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine (time I had some time alone)

… It’s the end of the world as we know it (time I had some time alone)
It’s the end of the world as we know it (time I had some time alone)
It’s the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine (time I had some time alone)

… It’s the end of the world as we know it (time I had some time alone)
It’s the end of the world as we know it (time I had some time alone)
It’s the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine (time I had some time alone)

Songwriters: John Michael Stipe / Michael E. Mills / Peter Lawrence Buck / William Thomas Berry

JudgeMental said:

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

It’s the end of the world as we know it.

and I feel fine.

There was some rapid eye movement there.

There is a Himars round that contains 182 000 tungsten balls, and the Russians aren’t very impressed with it.

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1594166849704325121

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwXZcT4b5BU

Link

Was it a Russian missile that hit Poland? Interesting scenario re co-ordinates.

19 Nov: Russians LOSE THE UPPER HAND | War in Ukraine Explained

The russians only have themselves to blame I’m afraid.

If you dont bother guarding your critical infrastructure you’ll have MI6 blowing it up for you

Next step for the russians

Hit the gas pipelines from unfriendly countries.

wookiemeister said:

The russians only have themselves to blame I’m afraid.

If you dont bother guarding your critical infrastructure you’ll have MI6 blowing it up for you

Next step for the russians

Hit the gas pipelines from unfriendly countries.

Like Nordstream?

wookiemeister said:

The russians only have themselves to blame I’m afraid.

If you dont bother guarding your critical infrastructure you’ll have MI6 blowing it up for you

Next step for the russians

Hit the gas pipelines from unfriendly countries.

:)) sorry, but you’ve got to laugh.

wookiemeister said:

The russians only have themselves to blame I’m afraid.

If you dont bother guarding your critical infrastructure you’ll have MI6 blowing it up for you

Next step for the russians

Hit the gas pipelines from unfriendly countries.

Dark Orange said:

wookiemeister said:

The russians only have themselves to blame I’m afraid.

If you dont bother guarding your critical infrastructure you’ll have MI6 blowing it up for you

Next step for the russians

Hit the gas pipelines from unfriendly countries.

Like Nordstream?

Dunno

But keep pushing them and you’ll be sorry

wookiemeister said:

Dark Orange said:

wookiemeister said:

The russians only have themselves to blame I’m afraid.

If you dont bother guarding your critical infrastructure you’ll have MI6 blowing it up for you

Next step for the russians

Hit the gas pipelines from unfriendly countries.

Like Nordstream?

Dunno

But keep pushing them and you’ll be sorry

LOL

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/21/russians-accused-of-burning-bodies-at-kherson-landfill

The landfill site on the edge of Kherson offers some visible hints here and there, among the piles of rubbish, to what locals and workers say happened in its recent past. Russian flags, uniforms and helmets emerge from the putrid mud, while hundreds of seagulls and dozens of stray dogs scavenge around.

As the Russian occupation of the region was on its last legs over the summer, the site, once a mundane place where residents disposed of their rubbish, became a no-go area, according to Kherson’s inhabitants, fiercely sealed off by the invading forces from presumed prying eyes.

The reason for the jittery secrecy, several residents and workers at the site told the Guardian, was that the occupying forces had a gruesome new purpose there: dumping the bodies of their fallen brethren, and then burning them.

The residents report seeing Russian open trucks arriving to the site carrying black bags that were then set on fire, filling the air with a large cloud of smoke and a terrifying stench of burning flesh.

A single Russian source claims the city of Armiansk, Crimea is being evacuated. We’ll see in a week if that is in fact the case.

Is Zelensky the best wartime leader since Churchill?

https://mobile.twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1594688884189073408

“Vladimir Putin was so outraged by today’s European Parliament decision to declare Russia a terrorist state that he decided to launch dozens of missiles at civilian Ukrainian targets”

Dark Orange said:

“Vladimir Putin was so outraged by today’s European Parliament decision to declare Russia a terrorist state that he decided to launch dozens of missiles at civilian Ukrainian targets”

This is Russia’s admission that they can’t beat Ukraine on the battlefield.

Vladimir Makey, 64, head of Belarus Foreign Affairs Minister, is dead. There are rumors he might have been poisoned.

Makey was named as a possible successor of Lukashenko. He was one of the few not under Russian influence.

Rumors say this might be a hint to Lukashenko.

How do you lob artillery onto an island 50km away with artillery pieces with only a 40km range?

Well, if you are Ukrainian, you put the artillery onto barges and tow them 10km closer to the target.

https://news.russia.postsen.com/local/82125.html

It is looking like Colonel Vadim Boyko, the dude who committed suicide by “shooting himself 5 times”, may actually have committed suicide by shooting himself 5 times.

It looks like he was being set up to be the fall guy and decided to be proactive.

Dark Orange said:

It is looking like Colonel Vadim Boyko, the dude who committed suicide by “shooting himself 5 times”, may actually have committed suicide by shooting himself 5 times.

It looks like he was being set up to be the fall guy and decided to be proactive.

Did ne have it set on rapid fire and tied his finger to the trigger?

roughbarked said:

Dark Orange said:

It is looking like Colonel Vadim Boyko, the dude who committed suicide by “shooting himself 5 times”, may actually have committed suicide by shooting himself 5 times.

It looks like he was being set up to be the fall guy and decided to be proactive.

Did ne have it set on rapid fire and tied his finger to the trigger?

According to his wife…

“not aiming for his head, not trying to end it as quickly as possible”. Boyko wanted to send a message about “the disgrace that is happening … in the Far East.”

Dark Orange said:

It is looking like Colonel Vadim Boyko, the dude who committed suicide by “shooting himself 5 times”, may actually have committed suicide by shooting himself 5 times.

It looks like he was being set up to be the fall guy and decided to be proactive.

Should have taken the head-shot first.

Interesting armchair interview with a volunteer fighter in the Ukraine, reminds me of Lister from Red Dwarf.

https://youtu.be/TCbD4WBqPg4

Dark Orange said:

Interesting armchair interview with a volunteer fighter in the Ukraine, reminds me of Lister from Red Dwarf.

https://youtu.be/TCbD4WBqPg4

You can hear Craig Charles here:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0072ky7/episodes/player

“Police officers in Kharkiv stand next to the remains of Russian rockets fired at the city”

Dark Orange said:

“Police officers in Kharkiv stand next to the remains of Russian rockets fired at the city”

That looks like a whole bunch of raw material that you can make useful things out of.

Kingy said:

Dark Orange said:

“Police officers in Kharkiv stand next to the remains of Russian rockets fired at the city”

That looks like a whole bunch of raw material that you can make useful things out of.

They should gather all the other rockets all over Ukraine and make a huge art installation along the Ukraine Russia border somewhere.

This may change the game a little.
All those ammo dumps the Russians have sitting just out of Himars range?
Gone.

“Reported range (1,000 km) of Ukrainian strike done said to have been successfully tested. Has 75 kg warhead. (Center at Vasylkiv airbase south of Kyiv. Could reach as far a Kazan and Samara if launched from further east).”

Dark Orange said:

This may change the game a little.
All those ammo dumps the Russians have sitting just out of Himars range?
Gone.

“Reported range (1,000 km) of Ukrainian strike done said to have been successfully tested. Has 75 kg warhead. (Center at Vasylkiv airbase south of Kyiv. Could reach as far a Kazan and Samara if launched from further east).”

I’m no military expert but I don’t think Ukraine will attack targets deep within Russia.

dv said:

Dark Orange said:

This may change the game a little.
All those ammo dumps the Russians have sitting just out of Himars range?
Gone.

“Reported range (1,000 km) of Ukrainian strike done said to have been successfully tested. Has 75 kg warhead. (Center at Vasylkiv airbase south of Kyiv. Could reach as far a Kazan and Samara if launched from further east).”

I’m no military expert but I don’t think Ukraine will attack targets deep within Russia.

It’s a hairy proposition: it’s a bit rich that Putin thinks Russian based military infrastructure is not to be destroyed but what would Ukraine to be expected to do if they get closer to retaking Ukrainian territory that is supplied from inside Russia? Hopefully the war ends before Ukraine has to make a choice.

dv said:

Dark Orange said:

This may change the game a little.
All those ammo dumps the Russians have sitting just out of Himars range?
Gone.

“Reported range (1,000 km) of Ukrainian strike done said to have been successfully tested. Has 75 kg warhead. (Center at Vasylkiv airbase south of Kyiv. Could reach as far a Kazan and Samara if launched from further east).”

I’m no military expert but I don’t think Ukraine will attack targets deep within Russia.

Wasn’t that a condition from the USA when giving them long range missiles

Cymek said:

dv said:

Dark Orange said:

This may change the game a little.
All those ammo dumps the Russians have sitting just out of Himars range?
Gone.

“Reported range (1,000 km) of Ukrainian strike done said to have been successfully tested. Has 75 kg warhead. (Center at Vasylkiv airbase south of Kyiv. Could reach as far a Kazan and Samara if launched from further east).”

I’m no military expert but I don’t think Ukraine will attack targets deep within Russia.

Wasn’t that a condition from the USA when giving them long range missiles

Not really a condition. Was just the reality that the US has only supplied weaponry with range limited to within Ukraines approximate borders. They have though destroyed some infrastructure in Belarus IIRC.

dv said:

Dark Orange said:

This may change the game a little.
All those ammo dumps the Russians have sitting just out of Himars range?
Gone.

“Reported range (1,000 km) of Ukrainian strike done said to have been successfully tested. Has 75 kg warhead. (Center at Vasylkiv airbase south of Kyiv. Could reach as far a Kazan and Samara if launched from further east).”

I’m no military expert but I don’t think Ukraine will attack targets deep within Russia.

It will be like Putin’s nukes – they probably won’t, but the option is always there.

Dark Orange said:

dv said:

Dark Orange said:

This may change the game a little.
All those ammo dumps the Russians have sitting just out of Himars range?
Gone.

“Reported range (1,000 km) of Ukrainian strike done said to have been successfully tested. Has 75 kg warhead. (Center at Vasylkiv airbase south of Kyiv. Could reach as far a Kazan and Samara if launched from further east).”

I’m no military expert but I don’t think Ukraine will attack targets deep within Russia.

It will be like Putin’s nukes – they probably won’t, but the option is always there.

they won’t attack targets in Russia with US/NATO hardware at least

diddly-squat said:

Dark Orange said:

dv said:

I’m no military expert but I don’t think Ukraine will attack targets deep within Russia.

It will be like Putin’s nukes – they probably won’t, but the option is always there.

they won’t attack targets in Russia with US/NATO hardware at least

Probably frantically filing off serial numbers and painting over logos

Made in U SA kraine

Cymek said:

diddly-squat said:

Dark Orange said:

It will be like Putin’s nukes – they probably won’t, but the option is always there.

they won’t attack targets in Russia with US/NATO hardware at least

Probably frantically filing off serial numbers and painting over logos

Made in U SA kraine

they do it to the captured russian gear. cross out the Z and put their + on.

ChrispenEvan said:

Cymek said:

diddly-squat said:

they won’t attack targets in Russia with US/NATO hardware at least

Probably frantically filing off serial numbers and painting over logos

Made in U SA kraine

they do it to the captured russian gear. cross out the Z and put their + on.

Since the war began, Russia has actually ‘donated’ more military hardware to Ukraine than any other nation

And it seems one of the problems with using Iranian drones is not supply but their ability to work in the Eastern European winters. The Russians have stopped using them because the plastics they use don’t like the cold :)

Dark Orange said:

And it seems one of the problems with using Iranian drones is not supply but their ability to work in the Eastern European winters. The Russians have stopped using them because the plastics they use don’t like the cold :)

Good.

Michael V said:

Dark Orange said:

And it seems one of the problems with using Iranian drones is not supply but their ability to work in the Eastern European winters. The Russians have stopped using them because the plastics they use don’t like the cold :)

Good.

Can imagine they’d get brittle

In the last couple of hours, there was an explosion at the Engel’s-2 air field about 400km SE of Moscow, and as well as a fuel truck exploding at the Ryazan air field (150km SE of Moscow) killing and injuring a few people.

Somebody chain smoking?

Dark Orange said:

In the last couple of hours, there was an explosion at the Engel’s-2 air field about 400km SE of Moscow, and as well as a fuel truck exploding at the Ryazan air field (150km SE of Moscow) killing and injuring a few people.

Somebody chain smoking?

Dark Orange said:

In the last couple of hours, there was an explosion at the Engel’s-2 air field about 400km SE of Moscow, and as well as a fuel truck exploding at the Ryazan air field (150km SE of Moscow) killing and injuring a few people.

Somebody chain smoking?

Well, the Russians are pissed, and it looks like they are currently using a significate percentage of their dwindling stock of cruise missiles on Ukraine civilian infrastructure as I type.

SCIENCE said:

I’m off to the kitchen to do my washing up, to send a clear message to Putin.

Bubblecar said:

SCIENCE said:

I’m off to the kitchen to do my washing up, to send a clear message to Putin.

I’m off to the dunny, and thence to bed.

That’ll fucking learn ‘im!

Fire sale at Moscow shopping centre!

Dark Orange said:

Fire sale at Moscow shopping centre!

What is that?

sibeen said:

Dark Orange said:

Fire sale at Moscow shopping centre!

What is that?

a fire at a shopping centre.

ChrispenEvan said:

sibeen said:

Dark Orange said:

Fire sale at Moscow shopping centre!

What is that?

a fire at a shopping centre.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/fire-rages-through-shopping-mall-moscow-suburbs-2022-12-09/

Link

sibeen said:

Dark Orange said:

Fire sale at Moscow shopping centre!

What is that?

Mega Khimki mall
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63914682

ChrispenEvan said:

ChrispenEvan said:

sibeen said:

What is that?

a fire at a shopping centre.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/fire-rages-through-shopping-mall-moscow-suburbs-2022-12-09/

Link

“Huge Fire, The Size Of Football Pitch”

LOL.

ChrispenEvan said:

ChrispenEvan said:

sibeen said:

What is that?

a fire at a shopping centre.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/fire-rages-through-shopping-mall-moscow-suburbs-2022-12-09/

Link

So nothing to do with the war then?

sibeen said:

ChrispenEvan said:

ChrispenEvan said:

a fire at a shopping centre.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/fire-rages-through-shopping-mall-moscow-suburbs-2022-12-09/

Link

So nothing to do with the war then?

Don’t mention the war!

ChrispenEvan said:

sibeen said:

ChrispenEvan said:

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/fire-rages-through-shopping-mall-moscow-suburbs-2022-12-09/

Link

So nothing to do with the war then?

Don’t mention the war!

Maybe, maybe not. There have been a lot of fires lately and it may be a war related arson spree. But it is/was also a high-end mall with a lot of Western brands that have pulled out of Russia so may be a simple insurance jobbie.

After months of procrastination, Germany have agreed to supply heavy armour to Ukraine.

It’s like they weren’t happy with a Russian backed attempted coup.

Dark Orange said:

After months of procrastination, Germany have agreed to supply heavy armour to Ukraine.

It’s like they weren’t happy with a Russian backed attempted coup.

hold on, Russia backed a bunch of National Socialists, wait what no way

SCIENCE said:

Dark Orange said:

After months of procrastination, Germany have agreed to supply heavy armour to Ukraine.

It’s like they weren’t happy with a Russian backed attempted coup.

hold on, Russia backed a bunch of National Socialists, wait what no way

Well, it’s not like the mob currently running Russia are in any way ‘left-wing’.

Germany has already been involved in supplying tanks to Ukraine.

They gave Slovenia 40 military trucks, in return for Slovenia sending 28 M55S tanks to Ukraine.

M55S tanks are Soviet-era T55s that have had extensive upgrades (new armour, reactive armour, new fire control system, better engine), and been fitted with the British-origin L7 105mm gun.

That will make ammunition supply much easier, rather than the exotic 115mm ammunition used by the T62s which form a big part of Ukrainian tank reserves..

There’s also a chance that the US will send some early-model M1 Abrams out of their reserve stocks.

The early run of M1s also had the L7 gun fitted, while the 120mm M256 smoothbore gun was being developed, so commonality is retained there.

dem dipfex

Russian Major General Kanamat Botashev (retired) was killed on Friday when his SU-25 was shot down over Ukraine.

Dark Orange said:

Russian Major General Kanamat Botashev (retired) was killed on Friday when his SU-25 was shot down over Ukraine.

Russian Major General Kanamat Botashev ( retired dec) was killed on Friday when his SU-25 was shot down over Ukraine.
/fixed

Woodie said:

Dark Orange said:

Russian Major General Kanamat Botashev (retired) was killed on Friday when his SU-25 was shot down over Ukraine.

Russian Major General Kanamat Botashev ( retired dec) was killed on Friday when his SU-25 was shot down over Ukraine.
/fixed

Nah, he’d retired from the military but started flying for Wagner.

Meanwhile, another shopping mall in Moscow is on fire. If you want to do an insurance job, you may as well do it while the firefighting resources are depleted.

Son of Wagner boss posts photo on social media of his new accommodation:

The guest house he was staying at also housed several hundred Wagnerites and it was a pretty nice hotel, so I doubt they were mere mobics. Anyway, a quick Ukrainian Photobomb later…

This screengrab was taken from an interview with a Ukrainian soldier at the start of the war, and is still valid today.

Dark Orange said:

A joke from Zelensky:

“Two Jewish guys from Odesa meet up,” Zelensky says. “One asks the other: ‘So what’s the situation? What are people saying?‘”

“And he goes, ‘What are people saying? They are saying it’s a war.‘”

“What kind of war?”

“Russia is fighting NATO.”

“Are you serious?”

“Yes, yes! Russia is fighting NATO.”

“So how’s it going?”

“Well, 70,000 Russian soldiers are dead. The missile stockpile has almost been depleted. A lot of equipment is damaged, blown up.”

“And what about NATO?”

“What about NATO? NATO hasn’t even arrived yet.”

https://twitter.com/ianbremmer/status/1603093091245858816

https://www.onet.pl/informacje/onetwiadomosci/rozwiazali-problem-armii-ukrainy-ich-pomysl-okazal-sie-dla-rosjan-zabojczy/pkzrk0z,79cfc278

A very interesting video from the guys at 1420…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFd5lu8OqsM

Russian tycoon, former owner of biggest developer group Don-Stroi, Dmitriy Zelenov has died in France, after falling from the stairs

Dark Orange said:

Russian tycoon, former owner of biggest developer group Don-Stroi, Dmitriy Zelenov has died in France, after falling from the stairs

Been a bit of this lately.

I suppose Putin gets the spoils…

Dark Orange said:

Russian tycoon, former owner of biggest developer group Don-Stroi, Dmitriy Zelenov has died in France, after falling from the stairs

This is a really good read, detailing the blunders made by Russia to get them where they are today in Ukraine.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/12/16/world/europe/russia-putin-war-failures-ukraine.html

Dark Orange said:

This is a really good read, detailing the blunders made by Russia to get them where they are today in Ukraine.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/12/16/world/europe/russia-putin-war-failures-ukraine.html

A lot of that article shows that the Russians did very much what the Russians have always done. Their blunders have been not so much ‘blunders’ as simply adhering to long-time Russian military philosophies.

The pre-eminent philosophy is that of feeding the meat-grinder. It’s not the quality of the troops or their equipment that matters so much to the Russian command as it is quantity. As i’ve said here before, the guiding principle is that if your enemy has 1,000 bullets, you send 1,001 Russian troops to attack him. Even if that 1,001st soldier carries a 19th century rifle with only one bullet, he will be the winner.

As for there being no support or reinforcements available, that’s been Russian doctrine for a very long time. No commander is under the illusion that if he calls for help, help will arrive. It will not. Failure is not reinforced. If your unit is struggling with its objectives, it struggles alone.

Success is reinforced. If your unit does well, makes a breakthrough, then that’s where the reserves and reinforcements are directed so as to exploit the success to the maximum.

Putin doesn’t care about losses, he cares about his image. And, despite what the article says about him not being crazy or sick (like Hitler was), he’s beginning to resemble Hitler in that he seems to share with Adolf the idea that his country has somehow let down his vision for its future, and that the grinding struggle is both its punishment and its chance to redeem itself in his eyes.

captain_spalding said:

Dark Orange said:

This is a really good read, detailing the blunders made by Russia to get them where they are today in Ukraine.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/12/16/world/europe/russia-putin-war-failures-ukraine.html

A lot of that article shows that the Russians did very much what the Russians have always done. Their blunders have been not so much ‘blunders’ as simply adhering to long-time Russian military philosophies.

The pre-eminent philosophy is that of feeding the meat-grinder. It’s not the quality of the troops or their equipment that matters so much to the Russian command as it is quantity. As i’ve said here before, the guiding principle is that if your enemy has 1,000 bullets, you send 1,001 Russian troops to attack him. Even if that 1,001st soldier carries a 19th century rifle with only one bullet, he will be the winner.

As for there being no support or reinforcements available, that’s been Russian doctrine for a very long time. No commander is under the illusion that if he calls for help, help will arrive. It will not. Failure is not reinforced. If your unit is struggling with its objectives, it struggles alone.

Success is reinforced. If your unit does well, makes a breakthrough, then that’s where the reserves and reinforcements are directed so as to exploit the success to the maximum.

Putin doesn’t care about losses, he cares about his image. And, despite what the article says about him not being crazy or sick (like Hitler was), he’s beginning to resemble Hitler in that he seems to share with Adolf the idea that his country has somehow let down his vision for its future, and that the grinding struggle is both its punishment and its chance to redeem itself in his eyes.

Further, the combination of their (Russian) traditional use of push logistics and the introduction of medium ranged weapon systems on the Ukrainian side has made for some very easy pickings. Large ammo caches have been very low hanging fruit for HIMARS crews.

I think also the relative disrepair of the army (especially) has been a big factor. It’s pretty clear that the people in charge of restocking the army have been lining their own pockets with govt money on the belief that no one would either know, or care.

One thing is certain – Putin has cemented his place in the history of Russia. His name will be spoken of for many generations to come.

diddly-squat said:

I think also the relative disrepair of the army (especially) has been a big factor. It’s pretty clear that the people in charge of restocking the army have been lining their own pockets with govt money on the belief that no one would either know, or care.

A good part of that could be just good old-fashioned incompetence and bum-coverage.

Parts of that article called to mind a chap i knew who’d been in the Australian Army many years (1950s-60s ,from private, through being a sergeant in Korea, through every rank to colonel).

Near the end of his career, he took command of an establishment, and was supposed to, basically, sign off that everything on the base was present and correct.

He refused to, as it was obvious that a number of significant items of equipment were NOT present. However, this was known to all and sundry, and the accepted practice was to pretend that all was hunky-dory and we’ll say no more about it.

He refused. Pressure was applied. He refused. More pressure. Refused. What were they going to do? Court-martial him for refusing to cover up deficiencies? With all the publicity and investigations that would arise?

Only when replacement equipment was actually on its way to his establishment did he sign off.

Not hard to imagine that the Russian military would turn up a great many similar instances, with stubborn refusal to co-operate much less likely given that country’s history of making awkward people ‘disappear’.

Dark Orange said:

One thing is certain – Putin has cemented his place in the history of Russia. His name will be spoken of for many generations to come.

Like Captain Scott.

captain_spalding said:

Dark Orange said:

This is a really good read, detailing the blunders made by Russia to get them where they are today in Ukraine.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/12/16/world/europe/russia-putin-war-failures-ukraine.html

A lot of that article shows that the Russians did very much what the Russians have always done. Their blunders have been not so much ‘blunders’ as simply adhering to long-time Russian military philosophies.

The pre-eminent philosophy is that of feeding the meat-grinder. It’s not the quality of the troops or their equipment that matters so much to the Russian command as it is quantity. As i’ve said here before, the guiding principle is that if your enemy has 1,000 bullets, you send 1,001 Russian troops to attack him. Even if that 1,001st soldier carries a 19th century rifle with only one bullet, he will be the winner.

As for there being no support or reinforcements available, that’s been Russian doctrine for a very long time. No commander is under the illusion that if he calls for help, help will arrive. It will not. Failure is not reinforced. If your unit is struggling with its objectives, it struggles alone.

Success is reinforced. If your unit does well, makes a breakthrough, then that’s where the reserves and reinforcements are directed so as to exploit the success to the maximum.

Putin doesn’t care about losses, he cares about his image. And, despite what the article says about him not being crazy or sick (like Hitler was), he’s beginning to resemble Hitler in that he seems to share with Adolf the idea that his country has somehow let down his vision for its future, and that the grinding struggle is both its punishment and its chance to redeem itself in his eyes.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x75bt6

Zelensky visits the troops on the front line at Bakhmut.

Dark Orange said:

Zelensky visits the troops on the front line at Bakhmut.

I hope all the Ukrainian troops have a blood-free Xmas, with some decent festive food & drink.

Two Russian oligarchs and their families found dead within 24 hours

Zelensky is flying to the US to meet and greet and no doubt beg for air defence systems.

Meanwhile, the Russians look like they are retaliating by gearing up to inflict more pain on yhe Ukrainian civilians which means Zelensky will have lots of reasons to present to congress for weapon systems.

“We are lucky they are so f*cking stupid”

In another sign that warfare is moving on, here is a video of one drone rescuing another crashed drone off the battleground.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1605922045589585920

Link

Simpsons donkey in the 21st century.

An interesting discussion with a returned British fighter from Ukraine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCbD4WBqPg4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2bZNh6b2hA

Link

“We retreat only towards the enemy”: how the Carpathian Sich battalion is fighting near Izium

Talking with the troops. This channel has less fighting and more personal stuff.

Azov Regiment perform a ceremony honouring the fallen before arriving in Bahkmut.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/com…fallen_heroes/

Dark Orange said:

Azov Regiment perform a ceremony honouring the fallen before arriving in Bahkmut.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/com…fallen_heroes/

Without meaning to downplay the significance of anyone’s death or injury, any mention of ‘heroes’ always calls to my mind the words of an Australian WW2 veteran, who was rather riled about the trend of venerating soldiers and ex-soldiers:

“There was no saints among us, bloody few heroes, even fewer live ones, every last one of us was shit-scared, and anyone who says he wasn’t is a bloody liar’.

captain_spalding said:

Dark Orange said:

Azov Regiment perform a ceremony honouring the fallen before arriving in Bahkmut.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/com…fallen_heroes/

Without meaning to downplay the significance of anyone’s death or injury, any mention of ‘heroes’ always calls to my mind the words of an Australian WW2 veteran, who was rather riled about the trend of venerating soldiers and ex-soldiers:

“There was no saints among us, bloody few heroes, even fewer live ones, every last one of us was shit-scared, and anyone who says he wasn’t is a bloody liar’.

That may be the case, but the Azov regiment are different to the average soldier. Certainly after surviving three months of besiegement by the Russian army in Mariupol.

Dark Orange said:

captain_spalding said:

Dark Orange said:

Azov Regiment perform a ceremony honouring the fallen before arriving in Bahkmut.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/com…fallen_heroes/

Without meaning to downplay the significance of anyone’s death or injury, any mention of ‘heroes’ always calls to my mind the words of an Australian WW2 veteran, who was rather riled about the trend of venerating soldiers and ex-soldiers:

“There was no saints among us, bloody few heroes, even fewer live ones, every last one of us was shit-scared, and anyone who says he wasn’t is a bloody liar’.

That may be the case, but the Azov regiment are different to the average soldier. Certainly after surviving three months of besiegement by the Russian army in Mariupol.

plus being scared doesn’t negate also being a hero.

Bogsnorkler said:

Dark Orange said:

captain_spalding said:

Without meaning to downplay the significance of anyone’s death or injury, any mention of ‘heroes’ always calls to my mind the words of an Australian WW2 veteran, who was rather riled about the trend of venerating soldiers and ex-soldiers:

“There was no saints among us, bloody few heroes, even fewer live ones, every last one of us was shit-scared, and anyone who says he wasn’t is a bloody liar’.

That may be the case, but the Azov regiment are different to the average soldier. Certainly after surviving three months of besiegement by the Russian army in Mariupol.

plus being scared doesn’t negate also being a hero.

On the other hand, being a hero often negates being.

captain_spalding said:

Bogsnorkler said:

Dark Orange said:

That may be the case, but the Azov regiment are different to the average soldier. Certainly after surviving three months of besiegement by the Russian army in Mariupol.

plus being scared doesn’t negate also being a hero.

On the other hand, being a hero often negates being.

Yeah it is easy to be a hero when dead.

https://maritime-executive.com/article/head-of-russia-s-admiralty-shipyards-dies-suddenly

Russia’s Admiralty Shipyards has announced the “sudden” death of its director general, Alexander Buzakov, a day after he presided over the floating-out of a fourth generation Lada-class submarine.

https://english.nv.ua/nation/russian-general-dies-suddenly-in-moscow-russia-military-news-50293268.html

Russian General Alexei Maslov, who held the position of Commander-in-Chief of the Ground Forces of the Russian Federation from 2004 to 2008, and was later Russia’s chief military representative to NATO, died suddenly in Moscow on Dec. 25, at the age of 69.

…and in other news, remember a few weeks ago when the Ukes flew a couple of clapped out Soviet era drones into important air bases deep inside Russia? Well, they just did it again, but with a larger payload.

Should be interesting to see the satellite pics in the daylight.

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

Bogsnorkler said:

plus being scared doesn’t negate also being a hero.

On the other hand, being a hero often negates being.

Yeah it is easy to be a hero when dead.

A lot less effort goes into it.

24/12: Alexander Buzakov, 66- General Director of military shipyard, died under mysterious circumstances.
25/12: Alexey Maslov, 69- former Commander-in-Chief of Ground Forces of Russia, died under mysterious circumstances.
24/12: Pavel Antonov, 65- one of the richest deputies in Russia was found under the windows of a hotel in India, on December 24th. Before that, on December 22, his friend Vladimir Bidenov, businessman from Yoshkar-Ola, was found dead in the same hotel.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-28/australian-man-killed-fighting-in-ukraine/101813116

I heard something on the wireless this arvo driving home.
Two very wealthy Russian businessmen who were critical of the invasion have died in India.
One fell out of a hotel window apparently and I didnt catch how the other unlucky chap died.
But yeah you can be unlucky, I mean you can just slip and fall through an open window, can happen to anyone.

Peak Warming Man said:

I heard something on the wireless this arvo driving home.
Two very wealthy Russian businessmen who were critical of the invasion have died in India.
One fell out of a hotel window apparently and I didnt catch how the other unlucky chap died.
But yeah you can be unlucky, I mean you can just slip and fall through an open window, can happen to anyone.

He may be tossing businessmen and generals out windows but where’s he finding all these missiles from?
He’s still tossing ordinance at Ukranian cities.

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/putins-public-enemy-no-1/

Link

roughbarked said:

He may be tossing businessmen and generals out windows but where’s he finding all these missiles from?
He’s still tossing ordinance at Ukranian cities.

It looks like they are firing missiles that have been made since the war started, suggesting they had the parts on hand before the sanctions kicked in. And the fact that so many of the missiles are failing before they even get out of Russia which says a lot about their quality control.

Personally, I just can’t see the point in wasting all that expensive firepower on civilian targets. The only possible justifications that spring to mind are:

1. Demoralise the population to break their will Good luck with that one, Zelensky saw this coming and made a speech aimed at Russia – “Without electricity or without you? Without You”. Every time Ukraine is plunged into darkness, it is a reminder that things could be a lot worse.
There are dozens of videos showing the population in the subway systems listening to live music and just leading normal lives.

2. Reduce manufacturing/repair capacity. While it is true the damage to the electrical infrastructure has impacted Ukraine’s ability to repair and service damaged equipment, much of it is being sent over the border to Poland, and apart from some specialised gear, the majority of new weaponry comes from the west anyway. As are plenty of generators.

3. Cost imbalance. If a Shahed drone costs around $20k and it costs Ukraine $500k for each drone they take out, then that is an unsustainable practice. However, the bulk of Ukraine’s defensive hardware has been donated so it is realistically costing them nothing. But on the flipside, you have Russia spending hundreds of millions per day to lob their dwindling stocks of precious cruise missiles on civilian targets that have zero negative effects on the country’s military capacity (The last attack just after midnight in the new year mostly hit hotels and apartment buildings) which is extremely unsustainable.

5. Domestic propaganda – “We have just taken out a NATO barracks, killing dozens of NATO generals”. Goes some way to keeping the subjects appeased, but does not help the cannon fodder on the front.

Speaking of canon fodder, the Ukes just took out an old school in in Makeevka, Donetsk, that was being used as a Russian barracks with what was likely HIMARS. Reports of 400 killed and 300 injured are believable when you see the literal pile of rubble left of the place.

Russia: $800 million on cruise missiles to damage a few buildings, kill an old bloke and injure a young child.
Ukraine: Spend a fraction of that to permanently remove hundreds of troops from the front line.

Dark Orange said:

roughbarked said:

He may be tossing businessmen and generals out windows but where’s he finding all these missiles from?
He’s still tossing ordinance at Ukranian cities.

It looks like they are firing missiles that have been made since the war started, suggesting they had the parts on hand before the sanctions kicked in. And the fact that so many of the missiles are failing before they even get out of Russia which says a lot about their quality control.

Personally, I just can’t see the point in wasting all that expensive firepower on civilian targets. The only possible justifications that spring to mind are:

1. Demoralise the population to break their will Good luck with that one, Zelensky saw this coming and made a speech aimed at Russia – “Without electricity or without you? Without You”. Every time Ukraine is plunged into darkness, it is a reminder that things could be a lot worse.
There are dozens of videos showing the population in the subway systems listening to live music and just leading normal lives.

2. Reduce manufacturing/repair capacity. While it is true the damage to the electrical infrastructure has impacted Ukraine’s ability to repair and service damaged equipment, much of it is being sent over the border to Poland, and apart from some specialised gear, the majority of new weaponry comes from the west anyway. As are plenty of generators.

3. Cost imbalance. If a Shahed drone costs around $20k and it costs Ukraine $500k for each drone they take out, then that is an unsustainable practice. However, the bulk of Ukraine’s defensive hardware has been donated so it is realistically costing them nothing. But on the flipside, you have Russia spending hundreds of millions per day to lob their dwindling stocks of precious cruise missiles on civilian targets that have zero negative effects on the country’s military capacity (The last attack just after midnight in the new year mostly hit hotels and apartment buildings) which is extremely unsustainable.

5. Domestic propaganda – “We have just taken out a NATO barracks, killing dozens of NATO generals”. Goes some way to keeping the subjects appeased, but does not help the cannon fodder on the front.

Speaking of canon fodder, the Ukes just took out an old school in in Makeevka, Donetsk, that was being used as a Russian barracks with what was likely HIMARS. Reports of 400 killed and 300 injured are believable when you see the literal pile of rubble left of the place.

Russia: $800 million on cruise missiles to damage a few buildings, kill an old bloke and injure a young child.
Ukraine: Spend a fraction of that to permanently remove hundreds of troops from the front line.

The WWII London blitz showed that you can’t demoralise a dedicated population.

Tamb said:

Dark Orange said:

roughbarked said:

He may be tossing businessmen and generals out windows but where’s he finding all these missiles from?
He’s still tossing ordinance at Ukranian cities.

It looks like they are firing missiles that have been made since the war started, suggesting they had the parts on hand before the sanctions kicked in. And the fact that so many of the missiles are failing before they even get out of Russia which says a lot about their quality control.

Personally, I just can’t see the point in wasting all that expensive firepower on civilian targets. The only possible justifications that spring to mind are:

1. Demoralise the population to break their will Good luck with that one, Zelensky saw this coming and made a speech aimed at Russia – “Without electricity or without you? Without You”. Every time Ukraine is plunged into darkness, it is a reminder that things could be a lot worse.
There are dozens of videos showing the population in the subway systems listening to live music and just leading normal lives.

2. Reduce manufacturing/repair capacity. While it is true the damage to the electrical infrastructure has impacted Ukraine’s ability to repair and service damaged equipment, much of it is being sent over the border to Poland, and apart from some specialised gear, the majority of new weaponry comes from the west anyway. As are plenty of generators.

3. Cost imbalance. If a Shahed drone costs around $20k and it costs Ukraine $500k for each drone they take out, then that is an unsustainable practice. However, the bulk of Ukraine’s defensive hardware has been donated so it is realistically costing them nothing. But on the flipside, you have Russia spending hundreds of millions per day to lob their dwindling stocks of precious cruise missiles on civilian targets that have zero negative effects on the country’s military capacity (The last attack just after midnight in the new year mostly hit hotels and apartment buildings) which is extremely unsustainable.

5. Domestic propaganda – “We have just taken out a NATO barracks, killing dozens of NATO generals”. Goes some way to keeping the subjects appeased, but does not help the cannon fodder on the front.

Speaking of canon fodder, the Ukes just took out an old school in in Makeevka, Donetsk, that was being used as a Russian barracks with what was likely HIMARS. Reports of 400 killed and 300 injured are believable when you see the literal pile of rubble left of the place.

Russia: $800 million on cruise missiles to damage a few buildings, kill an old bloke and injure a young child.
Ukraine: Spend a fraction of that to permanently remove hundreds of troops from the front line.

The WWII London blitz showed that you can’t demoralise a dedicated population.

All the research backs that up. And the attacks on civilian buildings and infrastructure has prompted the US to finally agree to supply Ukraine with Patriot missile systems. This would not have happened if the Russians had used the cruise missiles against purely military targets.

Dark Orange said:

roughbarked said:

He may be tossing businessmen and generals out windows but where’s he finding all these missiles from?
He’s still tossing ordinance at Ukranian cities.

It looks like they are firing missiles that have been made since the war started, suggesting they had the parts on hand before the sanctions kicked in. And the fact that so many of the missiles are failing before they even get out of Russia which says a lot about their quality control.

Personally, I just can’t see the point in wasting all that expensive firepower on civilian targets. The only possible justifications that spring to mind are:

1. Demoralise the population to break their will Good luck with that one, Zelensky saw this coming and made a speech aimed at Russia – “Without electricity or without you? Without You”. Every time Ukraine is plunged into darkness, it is a reminder that things could be a lot worse.
There are dozens of videos showing the population in the subway systems listening to live music and just leading normal lives.

2. Reduce manufacturing/repair capacity. While it is true the damage to the electrical infrastructure has impacted Ukraine’s ability to repair and service damaged equipment, much of it is being sent over the border to Poland, and apart from some specialised gear, the majority of new weaponry comes from the west anyway. As are plenty of generators.

3. Cost imbalance. If a Shahed drone costs around $20k and it costs Ukraine $500k for each drone they take out, then that is an unsustainable practice. However, the bulk of Ukraine’s defensive hardware has been donated so it is realistically costing them nothing. But on the flipside, you have Russia spending hundreds of millions per day to lob their dwindling stocks of precious cruise missiles on civilian targets that have zero negative effects on the country’s military capacity (The last attack just after midnight in the new year mostly hit hotels and apartment buildings) which is extremely unsustainable.

5. Domestic propaganda – “We have just taken out a NATO barracks, killing dozens of NATO generals”. Goes some way to keeping the subjects appeased, but does not help the cannon fodder on the front.

Speaking of canon fodder, the Ukes just took out an old school in in Makeevka, Donetsk, that was being used as a Russian barracks with what was likely HIMARS. Reports of 400 killed and 300 injured are believable when you see the literal pile of rubble left of the place.

Russia: $800 million on cruise missiles to damage a few buildings, kill an old bloke and injure a young child.
Ukraine: Spend a fraction of that to permanently remove hundreds of troops from the front line.

Clearly Putin cannot win without allies of his own and though Belarus is in on the act. China is a little cautious about getting involved.

roughbarked said:

Dark Orange said:

roughbarked said:

He may be tossing businessmen and generals out windows but where’s he finding all these missiles from?
He’s still tossing ordinance at Ukranian cities.

It looks like they are firing missiles that have been made since the war started, suggesting they had the parts on hand before the sanctions kicked in. And the fact that so many of the missiles are failing before they even get out of Russia which says a lot about their quality control.

Personally, I just can’t see the point in wasting all that expensive firepower on civilian targets. The only possible justifications that spring to mind are:

1. Demoralise the population to break their will Good luck with that one, Zelensky saw this coming and made a speech aimed at Russia – “Without electricity or without you? Without You”. Every time Ukraine is plunged into darkness, it is a reminder that things could be a lot worse.
There are dozens of videos showing the population in the subway systems listening to live music and just leading normal lives.

2. Reduce manufacturing/repair capacity. While it is true the damage to the electrical infrastructure has impacted Ukraine’s ability to repair and service damaged equipment, much of it is being sent over the border to Poland, and apart from some specialised gear, the majority of new weaponry comes from the west anyway. As are plenty of generators.

3. Cost imbalance. If a Shahed drone costs around $20k and it costs Ukraine $500k for each drone they take out, then that is an unsustainable practice. However, the bulk of Ukraine’s defensive hardware has been donated so it is realistically costing them nothing. But on the flipside, you have Russia spending hundreds of millions per day to lob their dwindling stocks of precious cruise missiles on civilian targets that have zero negative effects on the country’s military capacity (The last attack just after midnight in the new year mostly hit hotels and apartment buildings) which is extremely unsustainable.

5. Domestic propaganda – “We have just taken out a NATO barracks, killing dozens of NATO generals”. Goes some way to keeping the subjects appeased, but does not help the cannon fodder on the front.

Speaking of canon fodder, the Ukes just took out an old school in in Makeevka, Donetsk, that was being used as a Russian barracks with what was likely HIMARS. Reports of 400 killed and 300 injured are believable when you see the literal pile of rubble left of the place.

Russia: $800 million on cruise missiles to damage a few buildings, kill an old bloke and injure a young child.
Ukraine: Spend a fraction of that to permanently remove hundreds of troops from the front line.

Clearly Putin cannot win without allies of his own and though Belarus is in on the act. China is a little cautious about getting involved.

Belarus has no other choice but to comply, but they are only good for staging areas knowing the Ukes can/won’t attack. China is a strange one – they have pretended to be Russia’s friend through all this, yet are quite happy to sit back and enjoy the cheap oil.

Unsure North Korea has any armaments that will make any significant change to the conflict, leaving
Iran as their only effective ally. And while Israel have been obviously keeping the conflict at arms length, they have blown up a few factories and transport planes in Iran responsible for the manufacture and transport of the drones to Russia (and they have lost a lot of expertise on the ground while training the Russians on their gear) so I am unsure how enthusiastic they will be in continuing the arrangement.

Dark Orange said:

roughbarked said:

He may be tossing businessmen and generals out windows but where’s he finding all these missiles from?
He’s still tossing ordinance at Ukranian cities.

It looks like they are firing missiles that have been made since the war started, suggesting they had the parts on hand before the sanctions kicked in. And the fact that so many of the missiles are failing before they even get out of Russia which says a lot about their quality control.

Personally, I just can’t see the point in wasting all that expensive firepower on civilian targets. The only possible justifications that spring to mind are:

1. Demoralise the population to break their will Good luck with that one, Zelensky saw this coming and made a speech aimed at Russia – “Without electricity or without you? Without You”. Every time Ukraine is plunged into darkness, it is a reminder that things could be a lot worse.
There are dozens of videos showing the population in the subway systems listening to live music and just leading normal lives.

2. Reduce manufacturing/repair capacity. While it is true the damage to the electrical infrastructure has impacted Ukraine’s ability to repair and service damaged equipment, much of it is being sent over the border to Poland, and apart from some specialised gear, the majority of new weaponry comes from the west anyway. As are plenty of generators.

3. Cost imbalance. If a Shahed drone costs around $20k and it costs Ukraine $500k for each drone they take out, then that is an unsustainable practice. However, the bulk of Ukraine’s defensive hardware has been donated so it is realistically costing them nothing. But on the flipside, you have Russia spending hundreds of millions per day to lob their dwindling stocks of precious cruise missiles on civilian targets that have zero negative effects on the country’s military capacity (The last attack just after midnight in the new year mostly hit hotels and apartment buildings) which is extremely unsustainable.

5. Domestic propaganda – “We have just taken out a NATO barracks, killing dozens of NATO generals”. Goes some way to keeping the subjects appeased, but does not help the cannon fodder on the front.

Speaking of canon fodder, the Ukes just took out an old school in in Makeevka, Donetsk, that was being used as a Russian barracks with what was likely HIMARS. Reports of 400 killed and 300 injured are believable when you see the literal pile of rubble left of the place.

Russia: $800 million on cruise missiles to damage a few buildings, kill an old bloke and injure a young child.
Ukraine: Spend a fraction of that to permanently remove hundreds of troops from the front line.

Cruise missiles are good for surgical strikes on distant valuable infrastructure, but to really fuck things up beyond repair there is no substitute for HIMARS. Accept no substitute.

Phase 3 is blackmailing countries into putting a price cap on Russian oil in order to generate even more hundreds of billions of oil revenue dollars for good old USA?

In addition to the present trillion dollars that the USA has made from the war.

The legal term “quo bene” means “who benefits”. And it’s pretty damn obvious who benefits from Ukraine phase 3.

mollwollfumble said:

Phase 3 is blackmailing countries into putting a price cap on Russian oil in order to generate even more hundreds of billions of oil revenue dollars for good old USA?

In addition to the present trillion dollars that the USA has made from the war.

The legal term “quo bene” means “who benefits”. And it’s pretty damn obvious who benefits from Ukraine phase 3.

Or, you know, Russia could have not invaded Ukraine…

furious said:

mollwollfumble said:

Phase 3 is blackmailing countries into putting a price cap on Russian oil in order to generate even more hundreds of billions of oil revenue dollars for good old USA?

In addition to the present trillion dollars that the USA has made from the war.

The legal term “quo bene” means “who benefits”. And it’s pretty damn obvious who benefits from Ukraine phase 3.

Or, you know, Russia could have not invaded Ukraine…

The war is between Russia and Ukraine and in fairness the majority of world leaders condemn the act of war and aggression against Ukraine. This not a US construct, there are nations including he US giving aid to give Ukraine a chance in this war.

The simple end to this war will come from talks about the gas line through Ukraine that Russia pumps their primary resource to nations to generate their expect income from.

They should sit down and work out what fee should be re-negotiated for the pipeline on Ukraine soil (ideally reduce the current cost) and in return what food resources will Ukraine agree to export to Russia, but this deal will leave both countries in a position of free trade on other resources globally to rebuild the war-torn areas in Ukraine and rebuild the crumbling economy in Russia.

monkey skipper said:

furious said:

mollwollfumble said:

Phase 3 is blackmailing countries into putting a price cap on Russian oil in order to generate even more hundreds of billions of oil revenue dollars for good old USA?

In addition to the present trillion dollars that the USA has made from the war.

The legal term “quo bene” means “who benefits”. And it’s pretty damn obvious who benefits from Ukraine phase 3.

Or, you know, Russia could have not invaded Ukraine…

The war is between Russia and Ukraine and in fairness the majority of world leaders condemn the act of war and aggression against Ukraine. This not a US construct, there are nations including he US giving aid to give Ukraine a chance in this war.

The simple end to this war will come from talks about the gas line through Ukraine that Russia pumps their primary resource to nations to generate their expect income from.

They should sit down and work out what fee should be re-negotiated for the pipeline on Ukraine soil (ideally reduce the current cost) and in return what food resources will Ukraine agree to export to Russia, but this deal will leave both countries in a position of free trade on other resources globally to rebuild the war-torn areas in Ukraine and rebuild the crumbling economy in Russia.

expect income from = export income from

monkey skipper said:

furious said:

mollwollfumble said:

Phase 3 is blackmailing countries into putting a price cap on Russian oil in order to generate even more hundreds of billions of oil revenue dollars for good old USA?

In addition to the present trillion dollars that the USA has made from the war.

The legal term “quo bene” means “who benefits”. And it’s pretty damn obvious who benefits from Ukraine phase 3.

Or, you know, Russia could have not invaded Ukraine…

The war is between Russia and Ukraine and in fairness the majority of world leaders condemn the act of war and aggression against Ukraine. This not a US construct, there are nations including he US giving aid to give Ukraine a chance in this war.

The simple end to this war will come from talks about the gas line through Ukraine that Russia pumps their primary resource to nations to generate their expect income from.

They should sit down and work out what fee should be re-negotiated for the pipeline on Ukraine soil (ideally reduce the current cost) and in return what food resources will Ukraine agree to export to Russia, but this deal will leave both countries in a position of free trade on other resources globally to rebuild the war-torn areas in Ukraine and rebuild the crumbling economy in Russia.

Nah, Putin wanted to get the USSR back together. Moscow held all the cards when it came to the negotiations and Ukraine had even caved to the demands of a very good deal (for Russia) literally the day before the tanks rolled into Ukraine.

The end to this war will only happen when either Moscow takes Kyiv, or Ukraine retakes Crimea.

While the second is going to be difficult, the first is impossible. And while the current situation is less than ideal for everyone involved, I honestly believe that Zelensky by refusing to run has averted another world war.

Dark Orange said:

monkey skipper said:

furious said:

Or, you know, Russia could have not invaded Ukraine…

The war is between Russia and Ukraine and in fairness the majority of world leaders condemn the act of war and aggression against Ukraine. This not a US construct, there are nations including he US giving aid to give Ukraine a chance in this war.

The simple end to this war will come from talks about the gas line through Ukraine that Russia pumps their primary resource to nations to generate their expect income from.

They should sit down and work out what fee should be re-negotiated for the pipeline on Ukraine soil (ideally reduce the current cost) and in return what food resources will Ukraine agree to export to Russia, but this deal will leave both countries in a position of free trade on other resources globally to rebuild the war-torn areas in Ukraine and rebuild the crumbling economy in Russia.

Nah, Putin wanted to get the USSR back together. Moscow held all the cards when it came to the negotiations and Ukraine had even caved to the demands of a very good deal (for Russia) literally the day before the tanks rolled into Ukraine.

The end to this war will only happen when either Moscow takes Kyiv, or Ukraine retakes Crimea.

While the second is going to be difficult, the first is impossible. And while the current situation is less than ideal for everyone involved, I honestly believe that Zelensky by refusing to run has averted another world war.

we shall see.

monkey skipper said:

Dark Orange said:

monkey skipper said:

The war is between Russia and Ukraine and in fairness the majority of world leaders condemn the act of war and aggression against Ukraine. This not a US construct, there are nations including he US giving aid to give Ukraine a chance in this war.

The simple end to this war will come from talks about the gas line through Ukraine that Russia pumps their primary resource to nations to generate their expect income from.

They should sit down and work out what fee should be re-negotiated for the pipeline on Ukraine soil (ideally reduce the current cost) and in return what food resources will Ukraine agree to export to Russia, but this deal will leave both countries in a position of free trade on other resources globally to rebuild the war-torn areas in Ukraine and rebuild the crumbling economy in Russia.

Nah, Putin wanted to get the USSR back together. Moscow held all the cards when it came to the negotiations and Ukraine had even caved to the demands of a very good deal (for Russia) literally the day before the tanks rolled into Ukraine.

The end to this war will only happen when either Moscow takes Kyiv, or Ukraine retakes Crimea.

While the second is going to be difficult, the first is impossible. And while the current situation is less than ideal for everyone involved, I honestly believe that Zelensky by refusing to run has averted another world war.

we shall see.

Putin will not stop at Ukraine, if he manages to conquer all of it, he will press on to the Baltic states and Moldova; as well as strategically significant parts of Poland and Romania. Many of these are NATO states. He will start a war with NATO. We do not ever want a war between NATO and Russia, that is just too risky for all of humanity. He must be stopped inside of Ukraine. And not just stopped, he must be humiliated. There is no point in negotiating anything and letting him come away claiming some small victory somewhere. We are beyond the stage of letting him have a face-saving way out, it is of no long-term benefit, it will only prolong the threat.

party_pants said:

monkey skipper said:

Dark Orange said:

Nah, Putin wanted to get the USSR back together. Moscow held all the cards when it came to the negotiations and Ukraine had even caved to the demands of a very good deal (for Russia) literally the day before the tanks rolled into Ukraine.

The end to this war will only happen when either Moscow takes Kyiv, or Ukraine retakes Crimea.

While the second is going to be difficult, the first is impossible. And while the current situation is less than ideal for everyone involved, I honestly believe that Zelensky by refusing to run has averted another world war.

we shall see.

Putin will not stop at Ukraine, if he manages to conquer all of it, he will press on to the Baltic states and Moldova; as well as strategically significant parts of Poland and Romania. Many of these are NATO states. He will start a war with NATO. We do not ever want a war between NATO and Russia, that is just too risky for all of humanity. He must be stopped inside of Ukraine. And not just stopped, he must be humiliated. There is no point in negotiating anything and letting him come away claiming some small victory somewhere. We are beyond the stage of letting him have a face-saving way out, it is of no long-term benefit, it will only prolong the threat.

There’s a lot more than a grain of truth in that.

party_pants said:

monkey skipper said:

Dark Orange said:

Nah, Putin wanted to get the USSR back together. Moscow held all the cards when it came to the negotiations and Ukraine had even caved to the demands of a very good deal (for Russia) literally the day before the tanks rolled into Ukraine.

The end to this war will only happen when either Moscow takes Kyiv, or Ukraine retakes Crimea.

While the second is going to be difficult, the first is impossible. And while the current situation is less than ideal for everyone involved, I honestly believe that Zelensky by refusing to run has averted another world war.

we shall see.

Putin will not stop at Ukraine, if he manages to conquer all of it, he will press on to the Baltic states and Moldova; as well as strategically significant parts of Poland and Romania. Many of these are NATO states. He will start a war with NATO. We do not ever want a war between NATO and Russia, that is just too risky for all of humanity. He must be stopped inside of Ukraine. And not just stopped, he must be humiliated. There is no point in negotiating anything and letting him come away claiming some small victory somewhere. We are beyond the stage of letting him have a face-saving way out, it is of no long-term benefit, it will only prolong the threat.

how will that happen? exhaust his military armoury?

monkey skipper said:

party_pants said:

monkey skipper said:

we shall see.

Putin will not stop at Ukraine, if he manages to conquer all of it, he will press on to the Baltic states and Moldova; as well as strategically significant parts of Poland and Romania. Many of these are NATO states. He will start a war with NATO. We do not ever want a war between NATO and Russia, that is just too risky for all of humanity. He must be stopped inside of Ukraine. And not just stopped, he must be humiliated. There is no point in negotiating anything and letting him come away claiming some small victory somewhere. We are beyond the stage of letting him have a face-saving way out, it is of no long-term benefit, it will only prolong the threat.

how will that happen? exhaust his military armoury?

The money will run out sooner or later. I could never keep my box of crackers restocked while I was letting them off.

A short (2min) clip of an interview with Ukrain’s top intelligence officer who speaks with the air of authority and confidence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCsOOljyJrk

Dark Orange said:

A short (2min) clip of an interview with Ukrain’s top intelligence officer who speaks with the air of authority and confidence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCsOOljyJrk

Quite the character…

ms spock said:

Dark Orange said:

A short (2min) clip of an interview with Ukrain’s top intelligence officer who speaks with the air of authority and confidence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCsOOljyJrk

Quite the character…

Morale seems high.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/100utq6/ukrainian_himars_decorated_with_christmas_lights/

Dark Orange said:

ms spock said:

Dark Orange said:

A short (2min) clip of an interview with Ukrain’s top intelligence officer who speaks with the air of authority and confidence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCsOOljyJrk

Quite the character…

Morale seems high.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/100utq6/ukrainian_himars_decorated_with_christmas_lights/

I saw the group of grandmothers and mothers making Molotov cocktaills and they journalist asked them what they were doing and they matter of factly said what they were doing on and went on about their business.

Amazingly pragmatic people.

ms spock said:

Dark Orange said:

ms spock said:

Quite the character…

Morale seems high.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/100utq6/ukrainian_himars_decorated_with_christmas_lights/

I saw the group of grandmothers and mothers making Molotov cocktaills and they journalist asked them what they were doing and they matter of factly said what they were doing on and went on about their business.

Amazingly pragmatic people.

And also chockers full of culture.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIUoFuSuvTM&ab_channel=NeringaRekasiute

Dark Orange said:

ms spock said:

Dark Orange said:

Morale seems high.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/100utq6/ukrainian_himars_decorated_with_christmas_lights/

I saw the group of grandmothers and mothers making Molotov cocktaills and they journalist asked them what they were doing and they matter of factly said what they were doing on and went on about their business.

Amazingly pragmatic people.

And also chockers full of culture.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIUoFuSuvTM&ab_channel=NeringaRekasiute

Exquisite!

Dark Orange said:

ms spock said:

Dark Orange said:

Morale seems high.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/100utq6/ukrainian_himars_decorated_with_christmas_lights/

I saw the group of grandmothers and mothers making Molotov cocktaills and they journalist asked them what they were doing and they matter of factly said what they were doing on and went on about their business.

Amazingly pragmatic people.

And also chockers full of culture.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIUoFuSuvTM&ab_channel=NeringaRekasiute

It does bother me that the Yemenis haven’t gotten as much support or the Syrians, is it because the Urkanians look like what is peceived as white Westerners that there seems to be so much more response – or even reporting. The Yemenis have been starving for a long time now.

ms spock said:

Dark Orange said:

ms spock said:

I saw the group of grandmothers and mothers making Molotov cocktaills and they journalist asked them what they were doing and they matter of factly said what they were doing on and went on about their business.

Amazingly pragmatic people.

And also chockers full of culture.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIUoFuSuvTM&ab_channel=NeringaRekasiute

It does bother me that the Yemenis haven’t gotten as much support or the Syrians, is it because the Urkanians look like what is peceived as white Westerners that there seems to be so much more response – or even reporting. The Yemenis have been starving for a long time now.

closer to home for the europeans.

Bogsnorkler said:

ms spock said:

Dark Orange said:

And also chockers full of culture.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIUoFuSuvTM&ab_channel=NeringaRekasiute

It does bother me that the Yemenis haven’t gotten as much support or the Syrians, is it because the Urkanians look like what is peceived as white Westerners that there seems to be so much more response – or even reporting. The Yemenis have been starving for a long time now.

closer to home for the europeans.

That has been my thoughts on the matter. I have had so many thoughts on the matter. The Yemenis have been starving for a long time now.

You have probably got this one DO.

If not, enjoy…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqeJ38DThVc&list=RDMM&start_radio=1&rv=LIUoFuSuvTM

ms spock said:

You have probably got this one DO.

If not, enjoy…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqeJ38DThVc&list=RDMM&start_radio=1&rv=LIUoFuSuvTM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqeJ38DThVc

Link

Dark Orange said:

ms spock said:

Dark Orange said:

Morale seems high.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/100utq6/ukrainian_himars_decorated_with_christmas_lights/

I saw the group of grandmothers and mothers making Molotov cocktaills and they journalist asked them what they were doing and they matter of factly said what they were doing on and went on about their business.

Amazingly pragmatic people.

And also chockers full of culture.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIUoFuSuvTM&ab_channel=NeringaRekasiute

The ex Ms Kingy was from Ukraine, and her mum taught me a few things about it. She was probably one of the last people in Australia to have personally seen Adolf Hitler, as she was a war slave and had to pretend to be an adoring fan at one of his rallies. She hated Germans with a passion.

Some of her stories of her teenage years would make your blood run cold.

Kingy said:

Dark Orange said:

ms spock said:

I saw the group of grandmothers and mothers making Molotov cocktaills and they journalist asked them what they were doing and they matter of factly said what they were doing on and went on about their business.

Amazingly pragmatic people.

And also chockers full of culture.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIUoFuSuvTM&ab_channel=NeringaRekasiute

The ex Ms Kingy was from Ukraine, and her mum taught me a few things about it. She was probably one of the last people in Australia to have personally seen Adolf Hitler, as she was a war slave and had to pretend to be an adoring fan at one of his rallies. She hated Germans with a passion.

Some of her stories of her teenage years would make your blood run cold.

Most people in that region have serious human atrocities they can report from that era. there is a long unsavory history of atrocities along the Baltic coastline. From Russian invasions, and other nations going back further in history as well

Kingy said:

Dark Orange said:

ms spock said:

I saw the group of grandmothers and mothers making Molotov cocktaills and they journalist asked them what they were doing and they matter of factly said what they were doing on and went on about their business.

Amazingly pragmatic people.

And also chockers full of culture.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIUoFuSuvTM&ab_channel=NeringaRekasiute

The ex Ms Kingy was from Ukraine, and her mum taught me a few things about it. She was probably one of the last people in Australia to have personally seen Adolf Hitler, as she was a war slave and had to pretend to be an adoring fan at one of his rallies. She hated Germans with a passion.

Some of her stories of her teenage years would make your blood run cold.

My Dad, ditto. Taken as slave labour by the Nazis in ’41, after first being taken as slave labour by the Russians in ’39.

ms spock said:

You have probably got this one DO.

If not, enjoy…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqeJ38DThVc&list=RDMM&start_radio=1&rv=LIUoFuSuvTM

Yeah, have seen that video, but unable to make sense of the image.

Kingy said:

Dark Orange said:

ms spock said:

I saw the group of grandmothers and mothers making Molotov cocktaills and they journalist asked them what they were doing and they matter of factly said what they were doing on and went on about their business.

Amazingly pragmatic people.

And also chockers full of culture.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIUoFuSuvTM&ab_channel=NeringaRekasiute

The ex Ms Kingy was from Ukraine, and her mum taught me a few things about it. She was probably one of the last people in Australia to have personally seen Adolf Hitler, as she was a war slave and had to pretend to be an adoring fan at one of his rallies. She hated Germans with a passion.

Some of her stories of her teenage years would make your blood run cold.

:(

Bubblecar said:

Kingy said:

Dark Orange said:

And also chockers full of culture.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIUoFuSuvTM&ab_channel=NeringaRekasiute

The ex Ms Kingy was from Ukraine, and her mum taught me a few things about it. She was probably one of the last people in Australia to have personally seen Adolf Hitler, as she was a war slave and had to pretend to be an adoring fan at one of his rallies. She hated Germans with a passion.

Some of her stories of her teenage years would make your blood run cold.

My Dad, ditto. Taken as slave labour by the Nazis in ’41, after first being taken as slave labour by the Russians in ’39.

Gosh you do wonder how folks made it through.

Dark Orange said:

ms spock said:

You have probably got this one DO.

If not, enjoy…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqeJ38DThVc&list=RDMM&start_radio=1&rv=LIUoFuSuvTM

Yeah, have seen that video, but unable to make sense of the image.

I don’t even know how the image got there I thought I took an image of the woman singing but user error occurring here.

ms spock said:

Dark Orange said:

ms spock said:

You have probably got this one DO.

If not, enjoy…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqeJ38DThVc&list=RDMM&start_radio=1&rv=LIUoFuSuvTM

Yeah, have seen that video, but unable to make sense of the image.

I don’t even know how the image got there I thought I took an image of the woman singing but user error occurring here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqeJ38DThVc&list=RDMM&start_radio=1

That is the URL of the video. For some reason &rv=LIUoFuSuvTM”:http://example.com/ has been added.

It works if you copy your link and paste it in the address bar. but not if you click on it.

fun and games

https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1609719192596381696

Bogsnorkler said:

ms spock said:

Dark Orange said:

Yeah, have seen that video, but unable to make sense of the image.

I don’t even know how the image got there I thought I took an image of the woman singing but user error occurring here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqeJ38DThVc&list=RDMM&start_radio=1

That is the URL of the video. For some reason &rv=LIUoFuSuvTM”:http://example.com/ has been added.

It works if you copy your link and paste it in the address bar. but not if you click on it.

My brain is not braining. I am sick again today.