Date: 2/11/2022 20:12:55
From: Dark Orange
ID: 1951690
Subject: Ukraine: phase 3

So the first stage had the initial invasion and the plucky Ukrainians taking the punishment dished out by the Russians.

The Second stage saw the Ukrainians get their shit together and force the second largest military in the world back, regaining a lot of ground.

And now we have stage 3, where the Russians have formed a defensive line and will dig in for the winter. Will that line line hold over the winter? Will the Ukes take advantage of winter to further use the Himars to their advantage, or will Iranian cruise missiles turn the rest of Ukraine into 3’rd world?

Here is an interesting view of what’s happening:

https://mobile.twitter.com/Tendar/status/1587726245160271873

I believe that Russians have selected this orange area as their long-term defense line, evicting civilians from their homes and use them for Russian occupational troops. That accomplish several aims.

The defense line is more tenable then the current one. All positions West of the Dnipro River are under constant pressure and Russia cannot sustain the supply lines over the rivers in that sector. Having the defense line on the Eastern bank simplifies the situation.

Besides the obvious that the river poses a natural barrier, when blowing up the dam at Nova Kakhovka the already big obstacle becomes an even more daunting obstacle. Russian troops could focus the defense along a smaller front line, making use of their weak but many troops.

Using house of evicted/deported people could partially solve their bad situation in terms of outdoor gear. Instead of faulty tents, barns or even pigsties, Russian troops have a solid roof, while distributing them makes it harder for Ukrainian artillery.

As governor Vitaly Kim pointed out, putting troops from all over Russia in this area are supposed to be an incentive in terms of “fighting for your home”. The plan is move those invaders there, permanently, which delivers them better living conditions.

Overall the strategy follows the same pattern of all colonial forces: Removing the inhabitants by force or kill them. Replace the void with invaders and make them hold the frontline. All of that aspects are criteria of genocide. In Luhansk and Donetsk already happening.

Last but not least, the whole Russian strategy is to exhaust Ukraine and Western backers. Putin hopes that if he can hold the line long enough that appeasers in the West might take hold of the situation, looking for “peace”.

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Date: 2/11/2022 20:34:15
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1951697
Subject: re: Ukraine: phase 3

I did suggest a few weeks back that the Ukrainians might try to push the Russians back across the Dnipro before the winter set in.

It offers a defensible front for both sides during the months when the scope for manoeuvre is at its least. The question will be about which side makes best use of the time afforded.

The Russians are currently on the defensive, and if they adopt the strategy suggested in the previous posts, they’ll be trying to reinforce and fortify their defences on the eastern side of the river.

If the Ukrainians stick to their avowed goal of ejecting the Russians back over the border into Russia, they’ll be reinforcing, re-equipping, and reorganising to be ready to go on the offensive when conditions are suitable. They’ll also be doing all they can to disrupt Russian supply and reinforcement corridors so as to keep the Russians as weak as possible.

Politics will play a big part. Western supporters need to be ready to accept that the war has at least 6-9 months to run, possibly longer, and be ready to maintain support even when it seems that things are at a stalemate.

Putin will have to convince the Russians that they’re not losing, and that they should continue to sacrifice for his sake.

Of course, some Russian commander could do something monumentally dumb, like attack a third-party grain ship in the Black Sea, as was suggested here last night. That sort of thing would change the whole complexion of the war.

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Date: 2/11/2022 20:46:41
From: party_pants
ID: 1951700
Subject: re: Ukraine: phase 3

Dig in for winter. Wait for one side to collapse economically.

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Date: 2/11/2022 20:51:01
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1951701
Subject: re: Ukraine: phase 3

party_pants said:


Dig in for winter. Wait for one side to collapse economically.

Or politically.

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Date: 3/11/2022 00:31:44
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1951747
Subject: re: Ukraine: phase 3

Interviews with Russian POWs being detained somewhere in Lviv Oblast, where my cousins live.

Putin’s conscripts can end up at Ukraine’s largest POW camp. They can only hope for a trade

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-11-02/ukraine-russia-prisoner-of-war-swaps-inside-prison/101603720

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Date: 3/11/2022 00:42:53
From: roughbarked
ID: 1951749
Subject: re: Ukraine: phase 3

Bubblecar said:


Interviews with Russian POWs being detained somewhere in Lviv Oblast, where my cousins live.

Putin’s conscripts can end up at Ukraine’s largest POW camp. They can only hope for a trade

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-11-02/ukraine-russia-prisoner-of-war-swaps-inside-prison/101603720

I’m sure they get better conditions than the Ukranian prisoners on the Russian side.

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Date: 3/11/2022 01:28:57
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1951750
Subject: re: Ukraine: phase 3

roughbarked said:

Bubblecar said:

Interviews with Russian POWs being detained somewhere in Lviv Oblast, where my cousins live.

Putin’s conscripts can end up at Ukraine’s largest POW camp. They can only hope for a trade

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-11-02/ukraine-russia-prisoner-of-war-swaps-inside-prison/101603720

I’m sure they get better conditions than the Ukranian prisoners on the Russian side.

what could be better than being one with the motherland

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Date: 3/11/2022 07:26:59
From: roughbarked
ID: 1951770
Subject: re: Ukraine: phase 3

Russia says it will resume its participation in a deal freeing up grain exports from war-torn Ukraine, reversing a move that world leaders had said threatened to exacerbate global hunger.
45m ago

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Date: 3/11/2022 08:01:28
From: Dark Orange
ID: 1951775
Subject: re: Ukraine: phase 3

roughbarked said:


Russia says it will resume its participation in a deal freeing up grain exports from war-torn Ukraine, reversing a move that world leaders had said threatened to exacerbate global hunger.
45m ago

Read that last night. Was their only real option.

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Date: 3/11/2022 08:04:42
From: roughbarked
ID: 1951776
Subject: re: Ukraine: phase 3

Dark Orange said:


roughbarked said:

Russia says it will resume its participation in a deal freeing up grain exports from war-torn Ukraine, reversing a move that world leaders had said threatened to exacerbate global hunger.
45m ago

Read that last night. Was their only real option.

I wish they’d wake up to that fact about the whole special operations thing.

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Date: 9/11/2022 23:52:44
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1954335
Subject: re: Ukraine: phase 3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPJNS8bU7TQ

Link

Young Ukrainians from Kyiv are organising ‘Repair Together’ weekends to help poor villages devastated by Russian occupation by cleaning up and rebuilding homes for free.

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