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Prime Minister Scott Morrison earmarked millions of dollars for a pet project of Governor-General David Hurley more than a year before revealing it publicly, four months before the recipient organisation legally existed and just three weeks after Hurley wrote asking for support.
Documents released under freedom of information laws reveal funding was quarantined for the Australian Future Leaders Foundation in late 2020, 15 months before it was disclosed in the March 2022 federal budget. The grant fell below the threshold for cabinet approval and was hidden in the mid-year economic and fiscal outlook (MYEFO) in late December 2020, among “decisions taken but not yet announced”.
The money was to fund a leadership program for promising young Australians, to be run by an organisation that did not formally exist at the time. The foundation was not registered until April 13, 2021, and continues to list only three directors: its now chief executive, expatriate British–Australian Chris Hartley; and advertising executives Julie and Andrew Overton, who are also co-directors with Hartley in another non-profit venture, the King’s Cup Organising Committee Ltd.
Via his official vice-regal secretary, Paul Singer, the governor-general has denied involvement in the funding arrangements.
At a senate estimates committee hearing on October 28 this year, Singer challenged the suggestion Hurley had discussed funding with Morrison multiple times.
Singer said “it may well be” that they had spoken about the program but that funding decisions were for the government.
A spokesperson for Singer’s office said later it was “on the public record that there were conversations with the then prime minister and other parliamentarians” about the program but funding was a government decision.
The FOI documents from the Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet (PM&C) reveal multiple contacts between Government House and government officials on the funding issue. Together with information The Saturday Paper has obtained, and evidence to senate estimates hearings, they begin to reveal how the grant came about and the lengths to which its proponents – including at Government House – went to
secure it. To help the venture along, Hurley invited almost 70 influential individuals to twin “roundtable” events at the Sydney vice-regal residence, Admiralty House, on May 17 last year, to hear about the foundation and its proposed leadership program. Hurley argued its importance to the nation. Hartley asked for support, circulating pledge forms seeking in-principle commitments of “talent, time, treasure” and “thought leadership”.
“The governor-general and office did not seek donations,” a spokesperson for Singer’s office told The Saturday Paper. “The foundation did seek indications of intended support.” He said these amounted to “willingness to contribute to the design, willingness to give time, and expressions for in-kind or financial support in due course”.
Various offers were made. At least one commitment was formalised, although it is not clear now if it will proceed.
“I absolutely dispute the fact that the governor-general was aware of the mechanism, the quantum, the modalities of how funding would be transferred. The governor-general had no involvement in relation to the funding arrangements and nor did my office.”
The Saturday Paper has learnt those invited included senior employees of British American Tobacco, betting outfit TAB, mining company Rio Tinto and alcohol giant Lion. There were also representatives from the pubs sector and real estate development, along with executives from banking, soft-drink manufacturing, insurance, grocery retail, media and social media, technology, telecommunications and others.
Some current and former public sector figures were also present, along with senior figures from academia and the union movement. They went because the governor-general invited them. Some thought the program a good concept, worthy of support. Others wondered why they were there and what problem the idea was trying to solve.
Chris Hartley began lobbying for support in mid-2020 and it was Paul Singer who brought Hartley and David Hurley together around the idea. At an earlier estimates committee hearing on April 4 this year, Singer was asked how he and Hurley knew Hartley.
Responding only about the governor-general, Singer described a “tangential and peripheral” relationship, saying Hurley met Hartley through the annual King’s Cup rowing regatta. A former chief of the Defence Force, Hurley has attended King’s Cup events in both his role as governor-general and, before that, as New South Wales governor.
In response to a written question, Singer later explained his own relationship with Hartley and elaborated on the association with his boss. “Other than briefly meeting Mr Hartley in 2019 in the context of the King’s Cup rowing regatta, there is no existing relationship between the Governor-General and Mr Hartley,” Singer’s statement said. “The Official Secretary participated in the Commonwealth Study Conference in 2015, during which he met Mr Hartley.”
Now known as the Duke of Edinburgh Commonwealth Study Conference, that organisation is an international leadership initiative of the British royal family and operates on a model similar to the one Hartley had in mind. Both Hartley and Singer received personal honours from Queen Elizabeth II for services to the sovereign.
On October 28 this year Singer was asked when he personally knew of Hartley’s idea. He answered only that his office was aware in July 2020. It appears Hartley pitched it as a legacy piece for Hurley, a vice-regal contribution to the nation’s future. Singer persuaded his boss to become its patron. Hurley approached Morrison for support.
When the money was set aside, few specifics on either program or organisation were available and no government due diligence had been done.
Singer told estimates that Hurley wrote to Morrison on November 26, 2020, “inviting the then prime minister to take a brief on the project”. MYEFO was published three weeks later, on December 20. The funding was only formalised and disclosed 15 months after that, in this year’s March 29 budget. In between, in late 2021, the Australian Future Leaders Foundation was granted charity or deductible gift recipient (DGR) status so it could attract tax deductible donations.
Treasury FOI documents show this involved a special arrangement and expedited process that saw approval within eight months instead of the usual two years. The specific listing meant the foundation needed its own legislative approval and bypassed the usual qualifying criteria – which, Hartley admitted in his April 27, 2021, submission, the organisation did not meet. Treasury officials had concerns about Hartley’s credentials but the DGR decision – requiring the treasurer’s approval – was formalised in the 2021 MYEFO on December 8, 2021, backdated to July 1.
That the funding was ring-fenced so much earlier than disclosed previously may explain reports that Hartley had boasted of securing support more than a year before the budget confirmed it. PM&C documents show he hoped Hurley and Morrison would launch the program in 2021.
But a delay in formalising the $18 million grant and the $4 million promised every year thereafter meant no money had flowed by the time of this year’s May federal election.
A range of factors appear to have caused the delay, including officials’ concerns about Hartley’s proposed structure and “excessive” estimated costs, and the fact that the project appeared completely dependent on obtaining both government funding and DGR status. Hartley had defended his numbers and said it could not proceed without either.
To complicate it further, Morrison signed the approval document a week too late to make the cutoff for funding this financial year. But the money was approved, with then minister assisting the prime minister Ben Morton indicating more could follow. The election was called on April 10, before it could be transferred. In September, the new Albanese government cancelled both the initial and ongoing grants.
After funding was quarantined in 2020, Chris Hartley set about gathering support with Singer’s help and Hurley’s backing.
The Saturday Paper has identified some of those invited to the Admiralty House “roundtable” morning and afternoon tea events on May 17 last year. Singer sent the invitations on his letterhead. He told estimates that the governor-general approved the guest list.
In correspondence with PM&C before and after, Chris Hartley said he had broad support, including pro-bono assistance. Emphasising diversity, he proposed a female board chair and Indigenous involvement, “mission positive”, curious and collegiate directors, as well as a spread of geographic, societal, generational and “cognitive” representation.
Hartley leveraged the largely in-principle expressions of support – some made out of politeness and some more substantial – to assure the government his project had widespread endorsement.
Brian Schmidt, vice-chancellor of the Australian National University, was among a dozen academic representatives at the May 17 roundtables. Approached two months earlier, he thought the program seemed like a good idea.
“The idea of having a leadership program that would bring together a very diverse group of Australians had some appeal and I was happy to support it as part of our role as a national university,” Schmidt told The Saturday Paper this week. “It is unfortunate that the details underpinning the program have not been done in a way that has led to a successful outcome.”
Public and community sector invitees included Sex Discrimination Commissioner Kate Jenkins and her predecessor, Elizabeth Broderick, Australian Council of Trade Unions president Michele O’Neil, and former PM&C secretary Martin Parkinson.
Lisa O’Brien, who is chair of the Australian Education Research Organisation, was also invited. O’Brien had previously headed up The Smith Family but had left three months earlier. The Saturday Paper has been told The Smith Family was mentioned later as supporting the leadership program. A Smith Family spokesperson told The Saturday Paper no employee had attended the May 17 events and it has had no involvement with the proposed program.
In his pitch document, sent to PM&C before the event, Hartley claimed program “champions” included “charities, CEOs, trade unions, sporting codes, Public Service, Business Council of Australia and 13 Universities”. A BCA spokesperson told The Saturday Paper it was broadly supportive but made no formal commitment.
An ACTU spokesperson confirmed O’Neil attended “at the invitation of the governor-general”.
“The ACTU never indicated support in any forum, including the event at Admiralty House, for the Future Leaders Foundation. Any suggestion of support from the ACTU or the trade union movement is incorrect.”
Spokespeople for a number of companies told The Saturday Paper that they never committed funding and current or former executives attended in a personal capacity. Throughout, Singer has maintained that Government House was not involved in “funding arrangements”.
“I absolutely dispute the fact that the governor-general was aware of the mechanism, the quantum, the modalities of how funding would be transferred,” Singer insisted. “The governor-general had no involvement in relation to the funding arrangements and nor did my office.”
Under questioning, he reiterated: “The governor-general and my office had no involvement in those arrangements.”
A spokesperson for Singer’s office told The Saturday Paper on Thursday: “The responses provided at estimates were correct: financial decisions were a matter for the government of the day. Neither the governor-general nor the office were involved in those decisions or the arrangements … The office sought updates on those arrangements – they were not involved in them.”
Hartley is recorded as first having met with Governor-General Hurley about the foundation on January 29, 2021. Hurley’s official diary indicates he has held 14 meetings with Hartley since then, including two in one day on November 9 last year.
The documents show Singer hosted two PM&C officials at a lunch meeting with Chris Hartley at Government House on February 16, 2021. On March 3, Hartley wrote to one of them, assistant secretary Peter Rush, with an update on the proposed foundation structure. It was still six weeks from being legally established.
“With a tight timetable and such a complex logistical exercise, my ability to resource the project is wholly dependent on the speed at which funds can come from your end,” Hartley wrote. “Hopefully this will be within a six-week horizon but might you be able to assist before that?”
He also sought Rush’s help on both registration with the Australian Charities and Not-for-profits Commission and Treasury approval for deductible gift recipient status. He hoped both might be expedited.
“Swift approval from the charity commissioner may be accelerated by a supportive letter from your end and I will let you advise me on how best to catalyse DGR status,” he wrote.
He noted Rush had suggested he might talk to Boston Consulting Group and another organisation, whose name is redacted. Boston Consulting and Accenture were among the companies that helped with the design and pitch, along with the advertising agency M&C Saatchi. All were involved in the May 17 events.
On March 24, 2021, Paul Singer emailed Peter Rush seeking a funding update because Hurley was meeting Chris Hartley in five days’ time. Rush emailed some notes the next day, warning “the legislative and government procurement requirements” meant it would be several more weeks before “the potential” for funding could be discussed in detail.
Rush also emphasised that the foundation needed to be “legally established as soon as practicable” because no funding arrangement was possible without that. He sought more information on “the identified non-government funding sources available to the foundation”.
Rush emailed Chris Hartley with an update on April 13 last year, copying in Paul Singer and his deputy.
The email was sent at 11.39am. Earlier that morning, Hurley had hosted then prime minister Scott Morrison for breakfast at Government House. Prime ministers and governors-general meet regularly – fortnightly or even weekly. It is not known what was discussed.
The day before, Morrison had written to Hurley with a highly unusual request. He had asked to be appointed to administer the Department of Industry, Science, Energy and Resources and to be made the portfolio’s “responsible minister”, secretly usurping minister Keith Pitt in a move he would not reveal publicly until 16 months later.
Signed on April 15, it was the third such secret appointment Morrison had requested. Two more would follow. Former High Court justice Virginia Bell has been commissioned to investigate that process. Bell spoke with the governor-general on October 27, his diary records.
The Saturday Paper is not suggesting Scott Morrison’s multiple ministerial appointments and the decision to fund the Australian Future Leaders Foundation are linked in any way.
Peter Rush’s email to Paul Singer later on the morning of April 13 suggested PM&C was scrutinising the foundation’s funding proposal. Rush asked again for “as much information as possible” to show “the total sum and mix of revenue sources”, noting that the new foundation “will have no financial history for us to assess”. Such information would help “strengthen the rationale” for proceeding and inform the department “how we might best administer any funds to support the running of the programme”.
Rush emphasised again that the foundation needed to be legally established. Its constitution was finalised by the end of the day.
Hartley then sent PM&C his pitch documents on “The Governor-General’s Australian future leaders program”. Following the twin roundtable events, Rush’s PM&C colleague, acting deputy secretary John Reid, wrote to Singer on May 27, assuring him things were “tracking well”.
After an August 20 meeting between Hurley and Hartley, Singer wrote to Reid. He said “very impressive” design work was being done on the program, achieved largely through “leveraging existing relations and at personal cost”. He did not elaborate.
Hurley wanted an update on funding, the DGR application and when a public launch might occur. Reid replied with more dot points. He indicated the PM&C had submitted a brief to the prime minister to approve release of the money held in the contingency reserve so a funding agreement could be progressed.
In the end, a special legislative instrument was drafted to allow the government support – a regulation, so not required to pass through parliament. On the afternoon of February 28 this year, an official alerted Singer by email that the regulation was being slotted into the next executive council meeting in three days’ time.
“Minister Morton’s office mentioned that this item is one which the governor-general may also have an interest in,” the email said.
Morton then wrote to Hurley seeking the single late addition to the meeting’s agenda. On March 3, Governor-General David Hurley signed the instrument authorising funding for the program that bore his name.
It is not clear what will become of the foundation. The Saturday Paper has attempted to contact Chris Hartley via phone and email over the past two weeks. He has not responded. His voicemail says he is overseas.
Bogsnorkler said:
https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2022/11/12/morrison-hid-governor-general-grant-money-yearPrime Minister Scott Morrison earmarked millions of dollars for a pet project of Governor-General David Hurley more than a year before revealing it publicly, four months before the recipient organisation legally existed and just three weeks after Hurley wrote asking for support.
Documents released under freedom of information laws reveal funding was quarantined for the Australian Future Leaders Foundation in late 2020, 15 months before it was disclosed in the March 2022 federal budget. The grant fell below the threshold for cabinet approval and was hidden in the mid-year economic and fiscal outlook (MYEFO) in late December 2020, among “decisions taken but not yet announced”.
The money was to fund a leadership program for promising young Australians, to be run by an organisation that did not formally exist at the time. The foundation was not registered until April 13, 2021, and continues to list only three directors: its now chief executive, expatriate British–Australian Chris Hartley; and advertising executives Julie and Andrew Overton, who are also co-directors with Hartley in another non-profit venture, the King’s Cup Organising Committee Ltd.
Via his official vice-regal secretary, Paul Singer, the governor-general has denied involvement in the funding arrangements.
At a senate estimates committee hearing on October 28 this year, Singer challenged the suggestion Hurley had discussed funding with Morrison multiple times.
Singer said “it may well be” that they had spoken about the program but that funding decisions were for the government.
A spokesperson for Singer’s office said later it was “on the public record that there were conversations with the then prime minister and other parliamentarians” about the program but funding was a government decision.
The FOI documents from the Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet (PM&C) reveal multiple contacts between Government House and government officials on the funding issue. Together with information The Saturday Paper has obtained, and evidence to senate estimates hearings, they begin to reveal how the grant came about and the lengths to which its proponents – including at Government House – went to
secure it. To help the venture along, Hurley invited almost 70 influential individuals to twin “roundtable” events at the Sydney vice-regal residence, Admiralty House, on May 17 last year, to hear about the foundation and its proposed leadership program. Hurley argued its importance to the nation. Hartley asked for support, circulating pledge forms seeking in-principle commitments of “talent, time, treasure” and “thought leadership”.
“The governor-general and office did not seek donations,” a spokesperson for Singer’s office told The Saturday Paper. “The foundation did seek indications of intended support.” He said these amounted to “willingness to contribute to the design, willingness to give time, and expressions for in-kind or financial support in due course”.
Various offers were made. At least one commitment was formalised, although it is not clear now if it will proceed.
“I absolutely dispute the fact that the governor-general was aware of the mechanism, the quantum, the modalities of how funding would be transferred. The governor-general had no involvement in relation to the funding arrangements and nor did my office.”
The Saturday Paper has learnt those invited included senior employees of British American Tobacco, betting outfit TAB, mining company Rio Tinto and alcohol giant Lion. There were also representatives from the pubs sector and real estate development, along with executives from banking, soft-drink manufacturing, insurance, grocery retail, media and social media, technology, telecommunications and others.Some current and former public sector figures were also present, along with senior figures from academia and the union movement. They went because the governor-general invited them. Some thought the program a good concept, worthy of support. Others wondered why they were there and what problem the idea was trying to solve.
Chris Hartley began lobbying for support in mid-2020 and it was Paul Singer who brought Hartley and David Hurley together around the idea. At an earlier estimates committee hearing on April 4 this year, Singer was asked how he and Hurley knew Hartley.
Responding only about the governor-general, Singer described a “tangential and peripheral” relationship, saying Hurley met Hartley through the annual King’s Cup rowing regatta. A former chief of the Defence Force, Hurley has attended King’s Cup events in both his role as governor-general and, before that, as New South Wales governor.
In response to a written question, Singer later explained his own relationship with Hartley and elaborated on the association with his boss. “Other than briefly meeting Mr Hartley in 2019 in the context of the King’s Cup rowing regatta, there is no existing relationship between the Governor-General and Mr Hartley,” Singer’s statement said. “The Official Secretary participated in the Commonwealth Study Conference in 2015, during which he met Mr Hartley.”
Now known as the Duke of Edinburgh Commonwealth Study Conference, that organisation is an international leadership initiative of the British royal family and operates on a model similar to the one Hartley had in mind. Both Hartley and Singer received personal honours from Queen Elizabeth II for services to the sovereign.
On October 28 this year Singer was asked when he personally knew of Hartley’s idea. He answered only that his office was aware in July 2020. It appears Hartley pitched it as a legacy piece for Hurley, a vice-regal contribution to the nation’s future. Singer persuaded his boss to become its patron. Hurley approached Morrison for support.
When the money was set aside, few specifics on either program or organisation were available and no government due diligence had been done.
Singer told estimates that Hurley wrote to Morrison on November 26, 2020, “inviting the then prime minister to take a brief on the project”. MYEFO was published three weeks later, on December 20. The funding was only formalised and disclosed 15 months after that, in this year’s March 29 budget. In between, in late 2021, the Australian Future Leaders Foundation was granted charity or deductible gift recipient (DGR) status so it could attract tax deductible donations.
Treasury FOI documents show this involved a special arrangement and expedited process that saw approval within eight months instead of the usual two years. The specific listing meant the foundation needed its own legislative approval and bypassed the usual qualifying criteria – which, Hartley admitted in his April 27, 2021, submission, the organisation did not meet. Treasury officials had concerns about Hartley’s credentials but the DGR decision – requiring the treasurer’s approval – was formalised in the 2021 MYEFO on December 8, 2021, backdated to July 1.
That the funding was ring-fenced so much earlier than disclosed previously may explain reports that Hartley had boasted of securing support more than a year before the budget confirmed it. PM&C documents show he hoped Hurley and Morrison would launch the program in 2021.
But a delay in formalising the $18 million grant and the $4 million promised every year thereafter meant no money had flowed by the time of this year’s May federal election.
A range of factors appear to have caused the delay, including officials’ concerns about Hartley’s proposed structure and “excessive” estimated costs, and the fact that the project appeared completely dependent on obtaining both government funding and DGR status. Hartley had defended his numbers and said it could not proceed without either.
To complicate it further, Morrison signed the approval document a week too late to make the cutoff for funding this financial year. But the money was approved, with then minister assisting the prime minister Ben Morton indicating more could follow. The election was called on April 10, before it could be transferred. In September, the new Albanese government cancelled both the initial and ongoing grants.
After funding was quarantined in 2020, Chris Hartley set about gathering support with Singer’s help and Hurley’s backing.
The Saturday Paper has identified some of those invited to the Admiralty House “roundtable” morning and afternoon tea events on May 17 last year. Singer sent the invitations on his letterhead. He told estimates that the governor-general approved the guest list.
In correspondence with PM&C before and after, Chris Hartley said he had broad support, including pro-bono assistance. Emphasising diversity, he proposed a female board chair and Indigenous involvement, “mission positive”, curious and collegiate directors, as well as a spread of geographic, societal, generational and “cognitive” representation.
Hartley leveraged the largely in-principle expressions of support – some made out of politeness and some more substantial – to assure the government his project had widespread endorsement.
Brian Schmidt, vice-chancellor of the Australian National University, was among a dozen academic representatives at the May 17 roundtables. Approached two months earlier, he thought the program seemed like a good idea.
“The idea of having a leadership program that would bring together a very diverse group of Australians had some appeal and I was happy to support it as part of our role as a national university,” Schmidt told The Saturday Paper this week. “It is unfortunate that the details underpinning the program have not been done in a way that has led to a successful outcome.”
Public and community sector invitees included Sex Discrimination Commissioner Kate Jenkins and her predecessor, Elizabeth Broderick, Australian Council of Trade Unions president Michele O’Neil, and former PM&C secretary Martin Parkinson.
Lisa O’Brien, who is chair of the Australian Education Research Organisation, was also invited. O’Brien had previously headed up The Smith Family but had left three months earlier. The Saturday Paper has been told The Smith Family was mentioned later as supporting the leadership program. A Smith Family spokesperson told The Saturday Paper no employee had attended the May 17 events and it has had no involvement with the proposed program.
In his pitch document, sent to PM&C before the event, Hartley claimed program “champions” included “charities, CEOs, trade unions, sporting codes, Public Service, Business Council of Australia and 13 Universities”. A BCA spokesperson told The Saturday Paper it was broadly supportive but made no formal commitment.
An ACTU spokesperson confirmed O’Neil attended “at the invitation of the governor-general”.
“The ACTU never indicated support in any forum, including the event at Admiralty House, for the Future Leaders Foundation. Any suggestion of support from the ACTU or the trade union movement is incorrect.”
Spokespeople for a number of companies told The Saturday Paper that they never committed funding and current or former executives attended in a personal capacity. Throughout, Singer has maintained that Government House was not involved in “funding arrangements”.
“I absolutely dispute the fact that the governor-general was aware of the mechanism, the quantum, the modalities of how funding would be transferred,” Singer insisted. “The governor-general had no involvement in relation to the funding arrangements and nor did my office.”
Under questioning, he reiterated: “The governor-general and my office had no involvement in those arrangements.”
A spokesperson for Singer’s office told The Saturday Paper on Thursday: “The responses provided at estimates were correct: financial decisions were a matter for the government of the day. Neither the governor-general nor the office were involved in those decisions or the arrangements … The office sought updates on those arrangements – they were not involved in them.”
Hartley is recorded as first having met with Governor-General Hurley about the foundation on January 29, 2021. Hurley’s official diary indicates he has held 14 meetings with Hartley since then, including two in one day on November 9 last year.
The documents show Singer hosted two PM&C officials at a lunch meeting with Chris Hartley at Government House on February 16, 2021. On March 3, Hartley wrote to one of them, assistant secretary Peter Rush, with an update on the proposed foundation structure. It was still six weeks from being legally established.
“With a tight timetable and such a complex logistical exercise, my ability to resource the project is wholly dependent on the speed at which funds can come from your end,” Hartley wrote. “Hopefully this will be within a six-week horizon but might you be able to assist before that?”
He also sought Rush’s help on both registration with the Australian Charities and Not-for-profits Commission and Treasury approval for deductible gift recipient status. He hoped both might be expedited.
“Swift approval from the charity commissioner may be accelerated by a supportive letter from your end and I will let you advise me on how best to catalyse DGR status,” he wrote.
He noted Rush had suggested he might talk to Boston Consulting Group and another organisation, whose name is redacted. Boston Consulting and Accenture were among the companies that helped with the design and pitch, along with the advertising agency M&C Saatchi. All were involved in the May 17 events.
On March 24, 2021, Paul Singer emailed Peter Rush seeking a funding update because Hurley was meeting Chris Hartley in five days’ time. Rush emailed some notes the next day, warning “the legislative and government procurement requirements” meant it would be several more weeks before “the potential” for funding could be discussed in detail.
Rush also emphasised that the foundation needed to be “legally established as soon as practicable” because no funding arrangement was possible without that. He sought more information on “the identified non-government funding sources available to the foundation”.
Rush emailed Chris Hartley with an update on April 13 last year, copying in Paul Singer and his deputy.
The email was sent at 11.39am. Earlier that morning, Hurley had hosted then prime minister Scott Morrison for breakfast at Government House. Prime ministers and governors-general meet regularly – fortnightly or even weekly. It is not known what was discussed.
The day before, Morrison had written to Hurley with a highly unusual request. He had asked to be appointed to administer the Department of Industry, Science, Energy and Resources and to be made the portfolio’s “responsible minister”, secretly usurping minister Keith Pitt in a move he would not reveal publicly until 16 months later.
Signed on April 15, it was the third such secret appointment Morrison had requested. Two more would follow. Former High Court justice Virginia Bell has been commissioned to investigate that process. Bell spoke with the governor-general on October 27, his diary records.
The Saturday Paper is not suggesting Scott Morrison’s multiple ministerial appointments and the decision to fund the Australian Future Leaders Foundation are linked in any way.
Peter Rush’s email to Paul Singer later on the morning of April 13 suggested PM&C was scrutinising the foundation’s funding proposal. Rush asked again for “as much information as possible” to show “the total sum and mix of revenue sources”, noting that the new foundation “will have no financial history for us to assess”. Such information would help “strengthen the rationale” for proceeding and inform the department “how we might best administer any funds to support the running of the programme”.
Rush emphasised again that the foundation needed to be legally established. Its constitution was finalised by the end of the day.
Hartley then sent PM&C his pitch documents on “The Governor-General’s Australian future leaders program”. Following the twin roundtable events, Rush’s PM&C colleague, acting deputy secretary John Reid, wrote to Singer on May 27, assuring him things were “tracking well”.
After an August 20 meeting between Hurley and Hartley, Singer wrote to Reid. He said “very impressive” design work was being done on the program, achieved largely through “leveraging existing relations and at personal cost”. He did not elaborate.
Hurley wanted an update on funding, the DGR application and when a public launch might occur. Reid replied with more dot points. He indicated the PM&C had submitted a brief to the prime minister to approve release of the money held in the contingency reserve so a funding agreement could be progressed.
In the end, a special legislative instrument was drafted to allow the government support – a regulation, so not required to pass through parliament. On the afternoon of February 28 this year, an official alerted Singer by email that the regulation was being slotted into the next executive council meeting in three days’ time.
“Minister Morton’s office mentioned that this item is one which the governor-general may also have an interest in,” the email said.
Morton then wrote to Hurley seeking the single late addition to the meeting’s agenda. On March 3, Governor-General David Hurley signed the instrument authorising funding for the program that bore his name.
It is not clear what will become of the foundation. The Saturday Paper has attempted to contact Chris Hartley via phone and email over the past two weeks. He has not responded. His voicemail says he is overseas.
Not good. Did the GG forget there was an official publicly available diary of his doings?
I stopped reading at “pet project”.
This was clearly not going to be an unbiased news article.
https://www.watoday.com.au/politics/federal/it-was-a-social-movement-not-a-political-movement-20220922-p5bkab.html
LOL, the comments are full of bitter people. Mostly male I would presume.
ever heard of an arsehole
¿
hears one
NSW One Nation leader Mark Latham chaired the inquiry.
In his foreword, he said the government’s education policies had failed and the system was at “tipping point”.
But the report went on to blame burdensome workloads on inadequate student discipline and teachers who “barely passed” their own high school certificates.
SCIENCE said:
ever heard of an arsehole
¿
hears one
NSW One Nation leader Mark Latham chaired the inquiry.
In his foreword, he said the government’s education policies had failed and the system was at “tipping point”.
But the report went on to blame burdensome workloads on inadequate student discipline and teachers who “barely passed” their own high school certificates.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-11-13/nsw-parliamentary-report-fails-to-address-teacher-shortages/101646226
SCIENCE said:
ever heard of an arsehole
¿
hears one
NSW One Nation leader Mark Latham chaired the inquiry.
In his foreword, he said the government’s education policies had failed and the system was at “tipping point”.
But the report went on to blame burdensome workloads on inadequate student discipline and teachers who “barely passed” their own high school certificates.
i’m thinking a lot of government whatever is in the crosshairs for ‘adjustments’ to democracy, the US influence large part of it, and it starts off it wasn’t as exciting as the US midterms
good work of the broadcaster
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
ever heard of an arsehole
¿
hears one
NSW One Nation leader Mark Latham chaired the inquiry.
In his foreword, he said the government’s education policies had failed and the system was at “tipping point”.
But the report went on to blame burdensome workloads on inadequate student discipline and teachers who “barely passed” their own high school certificates.
The man has a brain injury.
we guess if there’s a shortage of staff, surely it must be the fault of existing staff that they aren’t clever enough to be in front of multiple classes simultaneously all year
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
ever heard of an arsehole
¿
hears one
NSW One Nation leader Mark Latham chaired the inquiry.
In his foreword, he said the government’s education policies had failed and the system was at “tipping point”.
But the report went on to blame burdensome workloads on inadequate student discipline and teachers who “barely passed” their own high school certificates.
The man has a brain injury.
we guess if there’s a shortage of staff, surely it must be the fault of existing staff that they aren’t clever enough to be in front of multiple classes simultaneously all year
You so know that the statement is ludicrous so why make it?
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
ever heard of an arsehole
¿
hears one
NSW One Nation leader Mark Latham chaired the inquiry.
In his foreword, he said the government’s education policies had failed and the system was at “tipping point”.
But the report went on to blame burdensome workloads on inadequate student discipline and teachers who “barely passed” their own high school certificates.
The man has a brain injury.
we guess if there’s a shortage of staff, surely it must be the fault of existing staff that they aren’t clever enough to be in front of multiple classes simultaneously all year
Staff shortages is going to be the new normal for the foreseeable future. The boomers are retiring. There has been a dramatic drop in immigration due to Covid, especially short term and temporary visas – the backpackers have not returned in the same numbers as pre-Covid.
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:roughbarked said:
The man has a brain injury.
we guess if there’s a shortage of staff, surely it must be the fault of existing staff that they aren’t clever enough to be in front of multiple classes simultaneously all year
Staff shortages is going to be the new normal for the foreseeable future. The boomers are retiring. There has been a dramatic drop in immigration due to Covid, especially short term and temporary visas – the backpackers have not returned in the same numbers as pre-Covid.
Tamb said:
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:we guess if there’s a shortage of staff, surely it must be the fault of existing staff that they aren’t clever enough to be in front of multiple classes simultaneously all year
Staff shortages is going to be the new normal for the foreseeable future. The boomers are retiring. There has been a dramatic drop in immigration due to Covid, especially short term and temporary visas – the backpackers have not returned in the same numbers as pre-Covid.
It may be time to reintroduce some kind of work for the dole scheme.
I don’t think that would have any impact. There is always going to be a pool of people who can’t work, or who are more or less unemployable due to other life issues. WFTD is not going to help.
We need to set up a standing visa system for workers from selected poor countries in Asia to come and work short stints for a few weeks or months at a time. Say in between their own planting and harvest seasons.
As a card-carrying member of the VIC ALP i can say i am getting increasingly dissatisfied with Dan’s claims of integrity.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/thumbs-down-how-the-premier-avoids-accountability-20221111-p5bxg7.html
party_pants said:
Tamb said:
party_pants said:Staff shortages is going to be the new normal for the foreseeable future. The boomers are retiring. There has been a dramatic drop in immigration due to Covid, especially short term and temporary visas – the backpackers have not returned in the same numbers as pre-Covid.
It may be time to reintroduce some kind of work for the dole scheme.I don’t think that would have any impact. There is always going to be a pool of people who can’t work, or who are more or less unemployable due to other life issues. WFTD is not going to help.
We need to set up a standing visa system for workers from selected poor countries in Asia to come and work short stints for a few weeks or months at a time. Say in between their own planting and harvest seasons.
Better the south pacific, IMHO.
sibeen said:
party_pants said:
Tamb said:It may be time to reintroduce some kind of work for the dole scheme.
I don’t think that would have any impact. There is always going to be a pool of people who can’t work, or who are more or less unemployable due to other life issues. WFTD is not going to help.
We need to set up a standing visa system for workers from selected poor countries in Asia to come and work short stints for a few weeks or months at a time. Say in between their own planting and harvest seasons.
Better the south pacific, IMHO.
Them too, but there’s not many of them.
party_pants said:
Tamb said:
party_pants said:Staff shortages is going to be the new normal for the foreseeable future. The boomers are retiring. There has been a dramatic drop in immigration due to Covid, especially short term and temporary visas – the backpackers have not returned in the same numbers as pre-Covid.
It may be time to reintroduce some kind of work for the dole scheme.I don’t think that would have any impact. There is always going to be a pool of people who can’t work, or who are more or less unemployable due to other life issues. WFTD is not going to help.
We need to set up a standing visa system for workers from selected poor countries in Asia to come and work short stints for a few weeks or months at a time. Say in between their own planting and harvest seasons.
Just import 10 million slaves , that should work
wookiemeister said:
Just import 10 million slaves , that should work
Slavery has been banned in Australia since 1833.
party_pants said:
sibeen said:
party_pants said:I don’t think that would have any impact. There is always going to be a pool of people who can’t work, or who are more or less unemployable due to other life issues. WFTD is not going to help.
We need to set up a standing visa system for workers from selected poor countries in Asia to come and work short stints for a few weeks or months at a time. Say in between their own planting and harvest seasons.
Better the south pacific, IMHO.
Them too, but there’s not many of them.
I was thinking more of Philippines – they already seem to have a culture for overseas work. Maybe Sri Lanka too, given their current economic crisis.
party_pants said:
wookiemeister said:
Just import 10 million slaves , that should work
Slavery has been banned in Australia since 1833.
I think it might have Marx that pointed out that the relationship between serf and lord that was disrupted by the industrial revolution. Under the old system the serf might have worked for the lord of the manor but the pair of them were linked – the lord was responsible for the welfare of the serf. When the revolution came along the serf was disconnected from the safety net and abandoned to his fate. The serfs migrated to the cities to work as slaves in the factories
wookiemeister said:
I think it might have Marx that pointed out that the relationship between serf and lord that was disrupted by the industrial revolution. Under the old system the serf might have worked for the lord of the manor but the pair of them were linked – the lord was responsible for the welfare of the serf. When the revolution came along the serf was disconnected from the safety net and abandoned to his fate. The serfs migrated to the cities to work as slaves in the factories
Yeah. something like that. But how would you tax such an arrangement in a modern economy?
party_pants said:
wookiemeister said:
I think it might have Marx that pointed out that the relationship between serf and lord that was disrupted by the industrial revolution. Under the old system the serf might have worked for the lord of the manor but the pair of them were linked – the lord was responsible for the welfare of the serf. When the revolution came along the serf was disconnected from the safety net and abandoned to his fate. The serfs migrated to the cities to work as slaves in the factories
Yeah. something like that. But how would you tax such an arrangement in a modern economy?
The other thing is you need laws to be approved by the people that will be living under them
You have referendums every week to vote on new taxes, military operations, motorways to be ploughed through.
The only proviso is that to vote on a law requires the voter to read and be tested on the subject being voted upon. It would be a slow process but necessary.
wookiemeister said:
I think it might have Marx that pointed out that the relationship between serf and lord that was disrupted by the industrial revolution. Under the old system the serf might have worked for the lord of the manor but the pair of them were linked – the lord was responsible for the welfare of the serf. When the revolution came along the serf was disconnected from the safety net and abandoned to his fate. The serfs migrated to the cities to work as slaves in the factories
The end of formal serfdom in the UK was primarily influenced by the rise in demand for workers as the economy recovered from the black-death which was centuries before the industrial revolution.
STEMocracy
Tamb said:
party_pants said:
wookiemeister said:
Just import 10 million slaves , that should work
Slavery has been banned in Australia since 1833.
Pinned to the locker room door. “You can’t fire me. Slaves are sold”.
That’s bullshit though, they can totally be launched from the barrel of a cannon.
Witty Rejoinder said:
wookiemeister said:
I think it might have Marx that pointed out that the relationship between serf and lord that was disrupted by the industrial revolution. Under the old system the serf might have worked for the lord of the manor but the pair of them were linked – the lord was responsible for the welfare of the serf. When the revolution came along the serf was disconnected from the safety net and abandoned to his fate. The serfs migrated to the cities to work as slaves in the factories
The end of formal serfdom in the UK was primarily influenced by the rise in demand for workers as the economy recovered from the black-death which was centuries before the industrial revolution.
That imbalance of available workers to workers needed only lasted for at most a century
In 1347 the black death struck
By 1351 the number of workers left was 2/3 of what was needed ( ive got a funny feeling they were fighting the 100 years war at the time). The statute of labourers tried to force serfs to work for pre pandemic wages, it didn’t work.
The outcome of the 1351 statute of labourers was the peasants revolution of 1384 (?)1381(?).
The peasants under the command of watt TYLER killed all the judges , solicitors and ANYONE connected to the legal system ( if they were found with ink on their hands they were killed.)
With the legal fraternity all dead and diminished it ushered into being something known as “merry England”
wookiemeister said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
wookiemeister said:
I think it might have Marx that pointed out that the relationship between serf and lord that was disrupted by the industrial revolution. Under the old system the serf might have worked for the lord of the manor but the pair of them were linked – the lord was responsible for the welfare of the serf. When the revolution came along the serf was disconnected from the safety net and abandoned to his fate. The serfs migrated to the cities to work as slaves in the factories
The end of formal serfdom in the UK was primarily influenced by the rise in demand for workers as the economy recovered from the black-death which was centuries before the industrial revolution.
Hmmm – noThat imbalance of available workers to workers needed only lasted for at most a century
In 1347 the black death struck
By 1351 the number of workers left was 2/3 of what was needed ( ive got a funny feeling they were fighting the 100 years war at the time). The statute of labourers tried to force serfs to work for pre pandemic wages, it didn’t work.
The outcome of the 1351 statute of labourers was the peasants revolution of 1384 (?)1381(?).
The peasants under the command of watt TYLER killed all the judges , solicitors and ANYONE connected to the legal system ( if they were found with ink on their hands they were killed.)
With the legal fraternity all dead and diminished it ushered into being something known as “merry England”
So you agree that the end of serfdom in the UK had nothing to do with the industrial revolution.
SCIENCE said:
STEMocracy
“Experts” should be listened to and their opinions EVALUATED. Listening to the “science” can no longer be trusted.
Note that de facto slavery continued in Australia even into the 20th century.
dv said:
Note that de facto slavery continued in Australia even into the 20th century.
Kanakas?
Witty Rejoinder said:
As a card-carrying member of the VIC ALP i can say i am getting increasingly dissatisfied with Dan’s claims of integrity.https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/thumbs-down-how-the-premier-avoids-accountability-20221111-p5bxg7.html
As an observer from across the border he seems to have a poor record on environment sustainability and protection of old growth forest.
party_pants said:
wookiemeister said:
Just import 10 million slaves , that should work
Slavery has been banned in Australia since 1833.
That’s not to say that they don’t treat the workers like slaves.
roughbarked said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
As a card-carrying member of the VIC ALP i can say i am getting increasingly dissatisfied with Dan’s claims of integrity.https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/thumbs-down-how-the-premier-avoids-accountability-20221111-p5bxg7.html
As an observer from across the border he seems to have a poor record on environment sustainability and protection of old growth forest.
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:
wookiemeister said:
Just import 10 million slaves , that should work
Slavery has been banned in Australia since 1833.
That’s not to say that they don’t treat the workers like slaves.
roughbarked said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
As a card-carrying member of the VIC ALP i can say i am getting increasingly dissatisfied with Dan’s claims of integrity.https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/thumbs-down-how-the-premier-avoids-accountability-20221111-p5bxg7.html
As an observer from across the border he seems to have a poor record on environment sustainability and protection of old growth forest.
theocracies for the win
Bogsnorkler said:
dv said:
Note that de facto slavery continued in Australia even into the 20th century.
Kanakas?
Nods
dv said:
Note that de facto slavery continued in Australia even into the 20th century.
Unfree labour continued in Australia even in the 20th century.
I could draw you a Venn Diagram if you like…
party_pants said:
dv said:
Note that de facto slavery continued in Australia even into the 20th century.
Unfree labour continued in Australia even in the 20th century.
I could draw you a Venn Diagram if you like…
Also, WFTD is still in operation.
the integrity commission should just assess two weeks of corruption during Scott Morrison’s term and average it out. -Saturday paper.
https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/opinion/topic/2022/11/12/the-might-the-hill
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/nov/14/preference-whisperer-glenn-druery-falls-for-animal-justice-partys-victorian-election-sting
Long story short:
Animal Justice Party fucked over Glenn Druery’s preference whisperer campaign by changing their tickets at the last minute.
https://thenewdaily.com.au/finance/2022/11/16/michael-pascoe-ndis-reform-privatisation/
Bogsnorkler said:
https://thenewdaily.com.au/finance/2022/11/16/michael-pascoe-ndis-reform-privatisation/
Good article about a bad subject.
dv said:
from yousr ABC no less
Assistant Treasurer Danny Pearson said the opposition questioning the independence of the VEC was an “unprecedented intervention” in a state election. “We’ve never seen this sort of intervention, ever,” he said.
pretty sure we’ve seen plenty of this sort of intervention in states of our role model cuntry, what was it called again, the DPRNA or something
The boffins seem to think that the most likely thing is that Labor will lose a few seats to Greens and Independents but still easily hold majority government.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/vote-below-the-line-help-democracy-20221117-p5bz9h.html
Kev Bonham’s article about why people should vote below the line in Victoria
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-11-21/andrew-wilkie-alleges-fraud-and-bribery-by-coal-exporters/101677778
He’s a brave man.
The Age published a recording on Sunday of a freewheeling political exchange involving Timothy Dragan, Liberal candidate for Narre Warren North, at pre-poll booth last week. The recording finds Dragan describing Liberal front-bencher Brad Battin a “prick”, declaring himself “100 per cent” opposed to an Indigenous treaty on the grounds that “we won this land fair and square”, and saying that if elected he will vote against his own party’s emissions targets.
Several successive polls have shown a significant tightening of the race in Victoria. Today a Resolve-Strategic poll for The Age gives the ALP a 53-47 lead.
The election is four days away and I don’t think there’s a prospect of a Coalition win, but there’s a non-negligible chance that the ALP will be in a minority government with the support of Greens and/or Indies.
“The Walkley Foundation will withdraw an award given to Nine News reporters Peter Fegan and Rebeka Powell for an investigation into former federal politician Andrew Laming after an internal review.
The investigation of Laming won the Walkley award for television/video news reporting in 2021, but the foundation decided to review it after Nine News withdrew allegations and apologised to the former Liberal National MP.”
Could be the first Walkley withdrawn?
Peak Warming Man said:
“The Walkley Foundation will withdraw an award given to Nine News reporters Peter Fegan and Rebeka Powell for an investigation into former federal politician Andrew Laming after an internal review.
The investigation of Laming won the Walkley award for television/video news reporting in 2021, but the foundation decided to review it after Nine News withdrew allegations and apologised to the former Liberal National MP.”Could be the first Walkley withdrawn?
Some googlin’ suggests this is unprecedented, though they’ve always held the right to do this in their terms.
intelligenius
SCIENCE said:
intelligenius
That’s right, Foo-Foo Murray, and Australia ranks No.5 for standard of living/quality of life, whereas that paragon, the United States, where such things don’t exist or are severely atrophied, and where employers EXPECT you to work when you’re sick, ranks 17th.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/standard-of-living-by-country
!
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan_Peterson
extremist immigrants
Labor Economies Must Grow Their Debt
https://www.crikey.com.au/2022/11/22/victorian-liberals-in-ruins/
The anti-corruption legislation went through the House of Reps this afternoon.
>>The new federal anti-corruption body will hold most of its hearings behind closed doors after Labor joined forces with the Coalition to vote down independent amendments to the legislation. The bill has now passed the lower house of parliament.
Helen Haines, the independent MP for Indi, who has been a champion of integrity in politics, proposed amendments that would have lowered the bar for anti-corruption hearings to be made public.
The MP also wanted to make it explicit that pork barrelling – where the government uses taxpayer money in grants and promises for electoral purposes (think the Morrison government’s sports community grants that benefited either Coalition seats or seats they were targeting) – be included in the scope for investigations.
But Labor sided with the Coalition in rejecting the amendments – even though it had earlier in the year indicated support for the new commission to investigate pork barrelling.<<
REF: https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/nov/24/afternoon-update-labor-coalition-team-up-on-anti-corruption-bill-abc-reboots-mother-and-son-and-a-heartbreaking-paramedic-response
buffy said:
The anti-corruption legislation went through the House of Reps this afternoon.>>The new federal anti-corruption body will hold most of its hearings behind closed doors after Labor joined forces with the Coalition to vote down independent amendments to the legislation. The bill has now passed the lower house of parliament.
Helen Haines, the independent MP for Indi, who has been a champion of integrity in politics, proposed amendments that would have lowered the bar for anti-corruption hearings to be made public.
The MP also wanted to make it explicit that pork barrelling – where the government uses taxpayer money in grants and promises for electoral purposes (think the Morrison government’s sports community grants that benefited either Coalition seats or seats they were targeting) – be included in the scope for investigations.
But Labor sided with the Coalition in rejecting the amendments – even though it had earlier in the year indicated support for the new commission to investigate pork barrelling.<<
REF: https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/nov/24/afternoon-update-labor-coalition-team-up-on-anti-corruption-bill-abc-reboots-mother-and-son-and-a-heartbreaking-paramedic-response
Fuck eh.
Like I said a few months back, if this legislation goes through with Coalition support, then it doesn’t go far enough.
buffy said:
The anti-corruption legislation went through the House of Reps this afternoon.>>The new federal anti-corruption body will hold most of its hearings behind closed doors after Labor joined forces with the Coalition to vote down independent amendments to the legislation. The bill has now passed the lower house of parliament.
Helen Haines, the independent MP for Indi, who has been a champion of integrity in politics, proposed amendments that would have lowered the bar for anti-corruption hearings to be made public.
The MP also wanted to make it explicit that pork barrelling – where the government uses taxpayer money in grants and promises for electoral purposes (think the Morrison government’s sports community grants that benefited either Coalition seats or seats they were targeting) – be included in the scope for investigations.
But Labor sided with the Coalition in rejecting the amendments – even though it had earlier in the year indicated support for the new commission to investigate pork barrelling.<<
REF: https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/nov/24/afternoon-update-labor-coalition-team-up-on-anti-corruption-bill-abc-reboots-mother-and-son-and-a-heartbreaking-paramedic-response
Very annoying.
Witty Rejoinder said:
buffy said:
The anti-corruption legislation went through the House of Reps this afternoon.>>The new federal anti-corruption body will hold most of its hearings behind closed doors after Labor joined forces with the Coalition to vote down independent amendments to the legislation. The bill has now passed the lower house of parliament.
Helen Haines, the independent MP for Indi, who has been a champion of integrity in politics, proposed amendments that would have lowered the bar for anti-corruption hearings to be made public.
The MP also wanted to make it explicit that pork barrelling – where the government uses taxpayer money in grants and promises for electoral purposes (think the Morrison government’s sports community grants that benefited either Coalition seats or seats they were targeting) – be included in the scope for investigations.
But Labor sided with the Coalition in rejecting the amendments – even though it had earlier in the year indicated support for the new commission to investigate pork barrelling.<<
REF: https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/nov/24/afternoon-update-labor-coalition-team-up-on-anti-corruption-bill-abc-reboots-mother-and-son-and-a-heartbreaking-paramedic-response
Very annoying.
Window dressing.
Should we have expected anything else?
captain_spalding said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
buffy said:
The anti-corruption legislation went through the House of Reps this afternoon.>>The new federal anti-corruption body will hold most of its hearings behind closed doors after Labor joined forces with the Coalition to vote down independent amendments to the legislation. The bill has now passed the lower house of parliament.
Helen Haines, the independent MP for Indi, who has been a champion of integrity in politics, proposed amendments that would have lowered the bar for anti-corruption hearings to be made public.
The MP also wanted to make it explicit that pork barrelling – where the government uses taxpayer money in grants and promises for electoral purposes (think the Morrison government’s sports community grants that benefited either Coalition seats or seats they were targeting) – be included in the scope for investigations.
But Labor sided with the Coalition in rejecting the amendments – even though it had earlier in the year indicated support for the new commission to investigate pork barrelling.<<
REF: https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/nov/24/afternoon-update-labor-coalition-team-up-on-anti-corruption-bill-abc-reboots-mother-and-son-and-a-heartbreaking-paramedic-response
Very annoying.
Window dressing.
Should we have expected anything else?
Yes. Live in hope, die in despair.
old jungle saying.
shock
SCIENCE said:
shock
There should be more wilkie’s.
Snapshot of voters suggests shock upset in Dan Andrews’ Mulgrave seat
A snapsot of early voters in Mulgrave shows the Victorian Premier is at risk of losing the seat he has held since 2002.
Michael Warner
less than 2 min read
November 24, 2022 – 10:27AM
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/state-election/exit-polling-suggests-shock-upset-in-dan-andrewss-mulgrave-seat/news-story/30be1cddfcff3e3be21a74fdedc56a3e?amp
dv said:
Snapshot of voters suggests shock upset in Dan Andrews’ Mulgrave seatA snapsot of early voters in Mulgrave shows the Victorian Premier is at risk of losing the seat he has held since 2002.
Michael Warner
less than 2 min read
November 24, 2022 – 10:27AMhttps://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/state-election/exit-polling-suggests-shock-upset-in-dan-andrewss-mulgrave-seat/news-story/30be1cddfcff3e3be21a74fdedc56a3e?amp
Oh, it’s the Herald Sun…
buffy said:
dv said:
Snapshot of voters suggests shock upset in Dan Andrews’ Mulgrave seatA snapsot of early voters in Mulgrave shows the Victorian Premier is at risk of losing the seat he has held since 2002.
Michael Warner
less than 2 min read
November 24, 2022 – 10:27AMhttps://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/state-election/exit-polling-suggests-shock-upset-in-dan-andrewss-mulgrave-seat/news-story/30be1cddfcff3e3be21a74fdedc56a3e?amp
Oh, it’s the Herald Sun…
…and therefore not necessarily in any way related to reality, but more likely and more closely to Rupert’s mood.
Interesting.
Top of my ballot form for Vic lower house is Fusion Party.
Which isn’t even registered in Vic.
Even though Fusion isn’t anywhere near as good as the old Science Party, it’s still worth a vote when compared to the alternatives.
Upper house is:
22 Parties.
Any suggestions for which minor parties are best/worst?
mollwollfumble said:
Interesting.Top of my ballot form for Vic lower house is Fusion Party.
Which isn’t even registered in Vic.Even though Fusion isn’t anywhere near as good as the old Science Party, it’s still worth a vote when compared to the alternatives.
Upper house is:
22 Parties.
Any suggestions for which minor parties are best/worst?
I’d advocate you DYOR but with you I fear that could be problematic.
mollwollfumble said:
Interesting.Top of my ballot form for Vic lower house is Fusion Party.
Which isn’t even registered in Vic.Even though Fusion isn’t anywhere near as good as the old Science Party, it’s still worth a vote when compared to the alternatives.
Upper house is:
22 Parties.
Any suggestions for which minor parties are best/worst?
I like Fiona Patten’s lot.
My lower house choices are terrible. How do you decide who is worst of:
Angry Victorians Party
Animal Justice Party
Family First
The others are
ALP
Greens
Nationals (this is a shoe in National seat)
An independent (who was previously with one of the other whacky parties)
Upper house I’d consider the Victorian Socialists, Legalise Cannabis, Sustainable Australia for possibilities for minor parties.
But then I’m happy with what Dan Andrews has done anyway and I can’t stand the thought of Matthew Guy as Premier.
buffy said:
My lower house choices are terrible. How do you decide who is worst of:Angry Victorians Party
Animal Justice Party
Family FirstThe others are
ALP
Greens
Nationals (this is a shoe in National seat)
An independent (who was previously with one of the other whacky parties)Upper house I’d consider the Victorian Socialists, Legalise Cannabis, Sustainable Australia for possibilities for minor parties.
But then I’m happy with what Dan Andrews has done anyway and I can’t stand the thought of Matthew Guy as Premier.
What have the AJP done to offend you?
Witty Rejoinder said:
buffy said:
My lower house choices are terrible. How do you decide who is worst of:Angry Victorians Party
Animal Justice Party
Family FirstThe others are
ALP
Greens
Nationals (this is a shoe in National seat)
An independent (who was previously with one of the other whacky parties)Upper house I’d consider the Victorian Socialists, Legalise Cannabis, Sustainable Australia for possibilities for minor parties.
But then I’m happy with what Dan Andrews has done anyway and I can’t stand the thought of Matthew Guy as Premier.
What have the AJP done to offend you?
?
The bit about being happy with Danny boy escaped your notice?
I actually wouldn’t be shocked if there was a huge protest vote against Dan in tomorrow’s election. I was at a party last week and chatting to a cousin who is a primary school principal. He was giving Dan a right serve. I asked him, in a jocular manner, whether his union knew he had such views. It surprised me quite a bit.
sibeen said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
buffy said:
My lower house choices are terrible. How do you decide who is worst of:Angry Victorians Party
Animal Justice Party
Family FirstThe others are
ALP
Greens
Nationals (this is a shoe in National seat)
An independent (who was previously with one of the other whacky parties)Upper house I’d consider the Victorian Socialists, Legalise Cannabis, Sustainable Australia for possibilities for minor parties.
But then I’m happy with what Dan Andrews has done anyway and I can’t stand the thought of Matthew Guy as Premier.
What have the AJP done to offend you?
?
The bit about being happy with Danny boy escaped your notice?
Dan Andrews? I don’t think Buffy is a Dan-hater.
sibeen said:
I actually wouldn’t be shocked if there was a huge protest vote against Dan in tomorrow’s election. I was at a party last week and chatting to a cousin who is a primary school principal. He was giving Dan a right serve. I asked him, in a jocular manner, whether his union knew he had such views. It surprised me quite a bit.
Yeah. it will be closer than the polls suggest. Can’t see the Libs getting up but Dan might be reduced to minority government if the Greens switch 4 seats.
Witty Rejoinder said:
sibeen said:
I actually wouldn’t be shocked if there was a huge protest vote against Dan in tomorrow’s election. I was at a party last week and chatting to a cousin who is a primary school principal. He was giving Dan a right serve. I asked him, in a jocular manner, whether his union knew he had such views. It surprised me quite a bit.
Yeah. it will be closer than the polls suggest. Can’t see the Libs getting up but Dan might be reduced to minority government if the Greens switch 4 seats.
Christos, Guy with the backing of a shedload of fundamental christian nutters – what could possibly go wrong?
Concur that a Labor minority government is a real possibility. Their primary vote has
On the other hand this won’t be a “close” election. I consider a Labor government to be a near certainty. The Coalition will be nowhere close to a position to form government.
dv said:
Concur that a Labor minority government is a real possibility. Their primary vote has
On the other hand this won’t be a “close” election. I consider a Labor government to be a near certainty. The Coalition will be nowhere close to a position to form government.
I can see some vote rigging has occurred in the above post.
sibeen said:
dv said:
Concur that a Labor minority government is a real possibility. Their primary vote has
On the other hand this won’t be a “close” election. I consider a Labor government to be a near certainty. The Coalition will be nowhere close to a position to form government.I can see some vote rigging has occurred in the above post.
I am the original dv and have not been replaced. I like zinc.
> DYOR
I trust you guys.
buffy said:
My lower house choices are terrible. How do you decide who is worst of:Angry Victorians Party
Animal Justice Party
Family FirstThe others are
ALP
Greens
Nationals (this is a shoe in National seat)
An independent (who was previously with one of the other whacky parties)Upper house I’d consider the Victorian Socialists, Legalise Cannabis, Sustainable Australia for possibilities for minor parties.
But then I’m happy with what Dan Andrews has done anyway and I can’t stand the thought of Matthew Guy as Premier.
Ta.
Publishing policies is a very brave move. If a voter disagrees with any one of the policies then the party would lose votes. But I see it the other way around. A party without policies is a piece of crap, not worth a vote.
D is the “Transport Matters” party. It’s basically a pro-Taxi anti-Uber lobby group. Yuk!
But has 17 policies from https://www.transportmatters.org.au/policy. Most other policies are good but some aren’t. Better transport, fairer tolls, better health, bigger free tram zone, support for the rail loop (as opposed to Albanese), more government red tape, improved cycling safety, anti-men, anti-whites.
B is “New democrats”. Has 7 “policy task forces” of which I have interest only in three. Brand new party with no actual policies yet. Is it worthwhile taking a punt on which way they will jump? No.
K is “Liberal democrats”. The old Democrats party. The old “keep the bastards honest” policy has waned. And top policy on their list is two opposite policies relating to Covid. The first says that people have the right to make their own choices during Covid and the second says that Vic Gov. has the right to more strongly enforce Covid restrictions on people. Other policies – better access to national parks, legalise cannabis, anti-education, nuclear energy.
L is “Fiona Patten’s reason party”. Let’s see. 6 policies. Anti-religion, anti-men, climate activism, legalise cannabis, anti-discrimination, anti-corruption. In short, anti-everything.
R is “Victorian socialists”. Has 27 policies.Read them yourself at https://victoriansocialists.org.au/policies. Includes a 5 year freeze on rent. Update the electric power grid. Lower minimum wage for politicians. More government ownership of transport. Limit outsourcing to increase the numbers of full-time workers. Affordable credit. Anti-private-urban-development, pro-government-urban-development. Mistreatment of pets is all due to rampant capitalism. Freedom to pursue art. Overthrow Australia’s constitution, government, legal system and state institutions. Ban all gambling industry. etc.
S is the old “United Australia”. https://www.unitedaustraliaparty.org.au/national_policy/ Has 24 policies. Policies include. A freeze on home loan interest. Stop all Aussie superannuation funds from investing in overseas shares. A new 15% tax on exported iron ore. Nuclear power. More minerals processing to value-add before export. Abolish HECS debts. Stop advance payment of provisional tax. Other improvements in company tax laws. No pandemic lockdowns. Anti-viral treatments available to all Australians. etc.
mollwollfumble said:
K is “Liberal democrats”. The old Democrats party.
No.
Witty Rejoinder said:
mollwollfumble said:K is “Liberal democrats”. The old Democrats party.
No.
OK. I wondered …
We will protect genuinely charitable work while cracking-down on tax avoidance and religious secrecy
— Religious organisations should be open and transparent about their activities in the same way as Australian corporations
— For-profit businesses that claim charitable status even though they are not engaged in charitable activity should not receive tax exemptions, even if they are owned by a religious institution (costings provided here)
— End exceptions to our Equal Opportunity laws that permit religious organisations to discriminate
— Enforce mandatory reporting laws for admissions disclosed in religious confession
— Oppose the Federal Government’s Religious Freedom Bill that will allow people to actively discriminate against others based on their religious views.
Victorian Parliamentary Budget Office Costings of my policy to remove ‘advancing religion’ as a charitable status:
Doesn’t appear to be anti-religion.
mollwollfumble said:
> DYORI trust you guys.
buffy said:
My lower house choices are terrible. How do you decide who is worst of:Angry Victorians Party
Animal Justice Party
Family FirstThe others are
ALP
Greens
Nationals (this is a shoe in National seat)
An independent (who was previously with one of the other whacky parties)Upper house I’d consider the Victorian Socialists, Legalise Cannabis, Sustainable Australia for possibilities for minor parties.
But then I’m happy with what Dan Andrews has done anyway and I can’t stand the thought of Matthew Guy as Premier.
Ta.
Publishing policies is a very brave move. If a voter disagrees with any one of the policies then the party would lose votes. But I see it the other way around. A party without policies is a piece of crap, not worth a vote.
D is the “Transport Matters” party. It’s basically a pro-Taxi anti-Uber lobby group. Yuk!
But has 17 policies from https://www.transportmatters.org.au/policy. Most other policies are good but some aren’t. Better transport, fairer tolls, better health, bigger free tram zone, support for the rail loop (as opposed to Albanese), more government red tape, improved cycling safety, anti-men, anti-whites.B is “New democrats”. Has 7 “policy task forces” of which I have interest only in three. Brand new party with no actual policies yet. Is it worthwhile taking a punt on which way they will jump? No.
K is “Liberal democrats”. The old Democrats party. The old “keep the bastards honest” policy has waned. And top policy on their list is two opposite policies relating to Covid. The first says that people have the right to make their own choices during Covid and the second says that Vic Gov. has the right to more strongly enforce Covid restrictions on people. Other policies – better access to national parks, legalise cannabis, anti-education, nuclear energy.
L is “Fiona Patten’s reason party”. Let’s see. 6 policies. Anti-religion, anti-men, climate activism, legalise cannabis, anti-discrimination, anti-corruption. In short, anti-everything.
R is “Victorian socialists”. Has 27 policies.Read them yourself at https://victoriansocialists.org.au/policies. Includes a 5 year freeze on rent. Update the electric power grid. Lower minimum wage for politicians. More government ownership of transport. Limit outsourcing to increase the numbers of full-time workers. Affordable credit. Anti-private-urban-development, pro-government-urban-development. Mistreatment of pets is all due to rampant capitalism. Freedom to pursue art. Overthrow Australia’s constitution, government, legal system and state institutions. Ban all gambling industry. etc.
S is the old “United Australia”. https://www.unitedaustraliaparty.org.au/national_policy/ Has 24 policies. Policies include. A freeze on home loan interest. Stop all Aussie superannuation funds from investing in overseas shares. A new 15% tax on exported iron ore. Nuclear power. More minerals processing to value-add before export. Abolish HECS debts. Stop advance payment of provisional tax. Other improvements in company tax laws. No pandemic lockdowns. Anti-viral treatments available to all Australians. etc.
I cannot believe that Uber rocked up to governments of all persuasions and said what we want to do is do away with taxi driver licenses and decimate the value of a taxi license that many people invested their life savings in, what do you reckon?
We value and celebrate diversity and we are committed to removing discrimination from our society
— Extend racial and religious vilification laws to vilification based on sexuality, gender and disability
— Introduce new protections for women who are abused and harassed online
— Incentivise the achievement of private sector gender parity in pay and company board representation
— Strengthened powers for the Equal Opportunity Commissioner to conduct investigations, compel the production of information and issue compliance notices
— Fair surrogacy laws that permit appropriate advertising and fair compensation for greater access to those needing assistance to conceive
— Strengthen the Victorian Charter of Human Rights and Responsibilities by raising the threshold by which the Government can limit our human rights
— Recurrent funding and support to prevent family violence before it occurs
— Introduce a Victorian Future Well-being Act, to ensure that every new piece of Victorian legislation is ‘future proofed’ by assessing the compatibility of each Bill against a well-being criteria
Peak Warming Man said:
I cannot believe that Uber rocked up to governments of all persuasions and said what we want to do is do away with taxi driver licenses and decimate the value of a taxi license that many people invested their life savings in, what do you reckon?
I’ll tell you what Uber really did, shall I?
It said, “we pay no superannuation”, “no paid holidays” and “we have the right to reduce salaries to way below the legal minimum”. In other words, they have a business model that breaks the law in multiple ways.
Peak Warming Man said:
mollwollfumble said:
> DYORI trust you guys.
buffy said:
My lower house choices are terrible. How do you decide who is worst of:Angry Victorians Party
Animal Justice Party
Family FirstThe others are
ALP
Greens
Nationals (this is a shoe in National seat)
An independent (who was previously with one of the other whacky parties)Upper house I’d consider the Victorian Socialists, Legalise Cannabis, Sustainable Australia for possibilities for minor parties.
But then I’m happy with what Dan Andrews has done anyway and I can’t stand the thought of Matthew Guy as Premier.
Ta.
Publishing policies is a very brave move. If a voter disagrees with any one of the policies then the party would lose votes. But I see it the other way around. A party without policies is a piece of crap, not worth a vote.
D is the “Transport Matters” party. It’s basically a pro-Taxi anti-Uber lobby group. Yuk!
But has 17 policies from https://www.transportmatters.org.au/policy. Most other policies are good but some aren’t. Better transport, fairer tolls, better health, bigger free tram zone, support for the rail loop (as opposed to Albanese), more government red tape, improved cycling safety, anti-men, anti-whites.B is “New democrats”. Has 7 “policy task forces” of which I have interest only in three. Brand new party with no actual policies yet. Is it worthwhile taking a punt on which way they will jump? No.
K is “Liberal democrats”. The old Democrats party. The old “keep the bastards honest” policy has waned. And top policy on their list is two opposite policies relating to Covid. The first says that people have the right to make their own choices during Covid and the second says that Vic Gov. has the right to more strongly enforce Covid restrictions on people. Other policies – better access to national parks, legalise cannabis, anti-education, nuclear energy.
L is “Fiona Patten’s reason party”. Let’s see. 6 policies. Anti-religion, anti-men, climate activism, legalise cannabis, anti-discrimination, anti-corruption. In short, anti-everything.
R is “Victorian socialists”. Has 27 policies.Read them yourself at https://victoriansocialists.org.au/policies. Includes a 5 year freeze on rent. Update the electric power grid. Lower minimum wage for politicians. More government ownership of transport. Limit outsourcing to increase the numbers of full-time workers. Affordable credit. Anti-private-urban-development, pro-government-urban-development. Mistreatment of pets is all due to rampant capitalism. Freedom to pursue art. Overthrow Australia’s constitution, government, legal system and state institutions. Ban all gambling industry. etc.
S is the old “United Australia”. https://www.unitedaustraliaparty.org.au/national_policy/ Has 24 policies. Policies include. A freeze on home loan interest. Stop all Aussie superannuation funds from investing in overseas shares. A new 15% tax on exported iron ore. Nuclear power. More minerals processing to value-add before export. Abolish HECS debts. Stop advance payment of provisional tax. Other improvements in company tax laws. No pandemic lockdowns. Anti-viral treatments available to all Australians. etc.
I cannot believe that Uber rocked up to governments of all persuasions and said what we want to do is do away with taxi driver licenses and decimate the value of a taxi license that many people invested their life savings in, what do you reckon?
I cannot believe that governments of all persuasions said that you have to hand over your life savings in order to give someone a lift in a car thus forcing aforementioned drivers to charge a kings ransom to the liftee in order to repay the government. Sounds like a rort/extortion by the government just because it can make up the rules.
Peak Warming Man said:
mollwollfumble said:
> DYORI trust you guys.
buffy said:
My lower house choices are terrible. How do you decide who is worst of:Angry Victorians Party
Animal Justice Party
Family FirstThe others are
ALP
Greens
Nationals (this is a shoe in National seat)
An independent (who was previously with one of the other whacky parties)Upper house I’d consider the Victorian Socialists, Legalise Cannabis, Sustainable Australia for possibilities for minor parties.
But then I’m happy with what Dan Andrews has done anyway and I can’t stand the thought of Matthew Guy as Premier.
Ta.
Publishing policies is a very brave move. If a voter disagrees with any one of the policies then the party would lose votes. But I see it the other way around. A party without policies is a piece of crap, not worth a vote.
D is the “Transport Matters” party. It’s basically a pro-Taxi anti-Uber lobby group. Yuk!
But has 17 policies from https://www.transportmatters.org.au/policy. Most other policies are good but some aren’t. Better transport, fairer tolls, better health, bigger free tram zone, support for the rail loop (as opposed to Albanese), more government red tape, improved cycling safety, anti-men, anti-whites.B is “New democrats”. Has 7 “policy task forces” of which I have interest only in three. Brand new party with no actual policies yet. Is it worthwhile taking a punt on which way they will jump? No.
K is “Liberal democrats”. The old Democrats party. The old “keep the bastards honest” policy has waned. And top policy on their list is two opposite policies relating to Covid. The first says that people have the right to make their own choices during Covid and the second says that Vic Gov. has the right to more strongly enforce Covid restrictions on people. Other policies – better access to national parks, legalise cannabis, anti-education, nuclear energy.
L is “Fiona Patten’s reason party”. Let’s see. 6 policies. Anti-religion, anti-men, climate activism, legalise cannabis, anti-discrimination, anti-corruption. In short, anti-everything.
R is “Victorian socialists”. Has 27 policies.Read them yourself at https://victoriansocialists.org.au/policies. Includes a 5 year freeze on rent. Update the electric power grid. Lower minimum wage for politicians. More government ownership of transport. Limit outsourcing to increase the numbers of full-time workers. Affordable credit. Anti-private-urban-development, pro-government-urban-development. Mistreatment of pets is all due to rampant capitalism. Freedom to pursue art. Overthrow Australia’s constitution, government, legal system and state institutions. Ban all gambling industry. etc.
S is the old “United Australia”. https://www.unitedaustraliaparty.org.au/national_policy/ Has 24 policies. Policies include. A freeze on home loan interest. Stop all Aussie superannuation funds from investing in overseas shares. A new 15% tax on exported iron ore. Nuclear power. More minerals processing to value-add before export. Abolish HECS debts. Stop advance payment of provisional tax. Other improvements in company tax laws. No pandemic lockdowns. Anti-viral treatments available to all Australians. etc.
I cannot believe that Uber rocked up to governments of all persuasions and said what we want to do is do away with taxi driver licenses and decimate the value of a taxi license that many people invested their life savings in, what do you reckon?
Generally liberal economic laissez-faire governments shouldn’t intervene in private markets without some necessary cause and taxi-licences as investments doesn’t qualify. Taxi licences now are so cheap that since Uber et al arrived that there are more taxis on the road with greater choice and lower prices for the consumer. What are you a communist?
Dear JudgeMental,
You sure live up to your user handle.
JudgeMental said:
We value and celebrate diversity and we are committed to removing discrimination from our society— Extend racial and religious vilification laws to vilification based on sexuality, gender and disability
— Introduce new protections for women who are abused and harassed online
— Incentivise the achievement of private sector gender parity in pay and company board representation
— Strengthened powers for the Equal Opportunity Commissioner to conduct investigations, compel the production of information and issue compliance notices
— Fair surrogacy laws that permit appropriate advertising and fair compensation for greater access to those needing assistance to conceive
— Strengthen the Victorian Charter of Human Rights and Responsibilities by raising the threshold by which the Government can limit our human rights
— Recurrent funding and support to prevent family violence before it occurs
— Introduce a Victorian Future Well-being Act, to ensure that every new piece of Victorian legislation is ‘future proofed’ by assessing the compatibility of each Bill against a well-being criteria
Dear lord satan, they used the word “ Incentivise”. I’d have them burnt at the stake for the first offense.
sibeen said:
JudgeMental said:
We value and celebrate diversity and we are committed to removing discrimination from our society— Extend racial and religious vilification laws to vilification based on sexuality, gender and disability
— Introduce new protections for women who are abused and harassed online
— Incentivise the achievement of private sector gender parity in pay and company board representation
— Strengthened powers for the Equal Opportunity Commissioner to conduct investigations, compel the production of information and issue compliance notices
— Fair surrogacy laws that permit appropriate advertising and fair compensation for greater access to those needing assistance to conceive
— Strengthen the Victorian Charter of Human Rights and Responsibilities by raising the threshold by which the Government can limit our human rights
— Recurrent funding and support to prevent family violence before it occurs
— Introduce a Victorian Future Well-being Act, to ensure that every new piece of Victorian legislation is ‘future proofed’ by assessing the compatibility of each Bill against a well-being criteria
Dear lord satan, they used the word “ Incentivise”. I’d have them burnt at the stake for the first offense.
I think you’ll just have to get used to that word moving forward.
JudgeMental said:
sibeen said:
JudgeMental said:
We value and celebrate diversity and we are committed to removing discrimination from our society— Extend racial and religious vilification laws to vilification based on sexuality, gender and disability
— Introduce new protections for women who are abused and harassed online
— Incentivise the achievement of private sector gender parity in pay and company board representation
— Strengthened powers for the Equal Opportunity Commissioner to conduct investigations, compel the production of information and issue compliance notices
— Fair surrogacy laws that permit appropriate advertising and fair compensation for greater access to those needing assistance to conceive
— Strengthen the Victorian Charter of Human Rights and Responsibilities by raising the threshold by which the Government can limit our human rights
— Recurrent funding and support to prevent family violence before it occurs
— Introduce a Victorian Future Well-being Act, to ensure that every new piece of Victorian legislation is ‘future proofed’ by assessing the compatibility of each Bill against a well-being criteria
Dear lord satan, they used the word “ Incentivise”. I’d have them burnt at the stake for the first offense.
I think you’ll just have to get used to that word moving forward.
They also used the word ‘women’ instead of people.
mollwollfumble said:
Peak Warming Man said:I cannot believe that Uber rocked up to governments of all persuasions and said what we want to do is do away with taxi driver licenses and decimate the value of a taxi license that many people invested their life savings in, what do you reckon?
I’ll tell you what Uber really did, shall I?
It said, “we pay no superannuation”, “no paid holidays” and “we have the right to reduce salaries to way below the legal minimum”. In other words, they have a business model that breaks the law in multiple ways.
any of you geniuses able to explain like we’re 5 neurons
so if rail workers threaten to strike by making travel free, and the government says ha you can’t do that because we’re going to make it free first
how does that work
Witty Rejoinder said:
buffy said:
My lower house choices are terrible. How do you decide who is worst of:Angry Victorians Party
Animal Justice Party
Family FirstThe others are
ALP
Greens
Nationals (this is a shoe in National seat)
An independent (who was previously with one of the other whacky parties)Upper house I’d consider the Victorian Socialists, Legalise Cannabis, Sustainable Australia for possibilities for minor parties.
But then I’m happy with what Dan Andrews has done anyway and I can’t stand the thought of Matthew Guy as Premier.
What have the AJP done to offend you?
I reckon you should just write Australian Junk Parties should be banned, right across the voting paper.
Witty Rejoinder said:
buffy said:
My lower house choices are terrible. How do you decide who is worst of:Angry Victorians Party
Animal Justice Party
Family FirstThe others are
ALP
Greens
Nationals (this is a shoe in National seat)
An independent (who was previously with one of the other whacky parties)Upper house I’d consider the Victorian Socialists, Legalise Cannabis, Sustainable Australia for possibilities for minor parties.
But then I’m happy with what Dan Andrews has done anyway and I can’t stand the thought of Matthew Guy as Premier.
What have the AJP done to offend you?
From last night, but I’ve only just got inside to catch up. I admit to not having read all of the policies of the AJP, but they are completely against any lethal culling (particularly of brumbies). I don’t think it is possible to non lethally deal with the brumbies. It can be done humanely with good shooters.
https://www.animaljusticeparty.org/brumbies
You can (if you can be bothered) read a lot of stuff at their web page.
https://www.animaljusticeparty.org/our_policies
The ‘Angry Victorians Party’ and the ‘Animal Justice Party’.
If only there could be some exchange of ideas between these two, to produce the ‘Victorian Justice Party’ and the ‘Angry Animal Party’.
captain_spalding said:
The ‘Angry Victorians Party’ and the ‘Animal Justice Party’.If only there could be some exchange of ideas between these two, to produce the ‘Victorian Justice Party’ and the ‘Angry Animal Party’.
Splitters…
Back to the Feds: Laura Tingle on the Scott Morrison multiple portfolios investigation.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-11-26/bell-inquiry-scott-morrison-multiple-ministries-anthony-albanese/101698708
buffy said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
buffy said:
My lower house choices are terrible. How do you decide who is worst of:Angry Victorians Party
Animal Justice Party
Family FirstThe others are
ALP
Greens
Nationals (this is a shoe in National seat)
An independent (who was previously with one of the other whacky parties)Upper house I’d consider the Victorian Socialists, Legalise Cannabis, Sustainable Australia for possibilities for minor parties.
But then I’m happy with what Dan Andrews has done anyway and I can’t stand the thought of Matthew Guy as Premier.
What have the AJP done to offend you?
From last night, but I’ve only just got inside to catch up. I admit to not having read all of the policies of the AJP, but they are completely against any lethal culling (particularly of brumbies). I don’t think it is possible to non lethally deal with the brumbies. It can be done humanely with good shooters.
https://www.animaljusticeparty.org/brumbies
You can (if you can be bothered) read a lot of stuff at their web page.
https://www.animaljusticeparty.org/our_policies
I agree.
buffy said:
Back to the Feds: Laura Tingle on the Scott Morrison multiple portfolios investigation.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-11-26/bell-inquiry-scott-morrison-multiple-ministries-anthony-albanese/101698708
Yeah Laura got stuck in.
Haters be hating…
I see the ABC is reporting long queues at some polling booths in Victoria. When Mr buffy and I went to our local hall supper room a bit after 8.00am there was us and a couple of others voting. We chatted with the lady in charge. They had 500 ballot papers allotted to the booth, but she thought it likely they’d only see a couple of hundred people. Many, many people around here voted early in Hamilton over the past couple of weeks. There was only one person handing out How to Vote cards. We chatted with her too, although she was handing out for a whacky person, so we didn’t take her paper. I took along my usual cheat sheet that I had prepared earlier.
buffy said:
I see the ABC is reporting long queues at some polling booths in Victoria. When Mr buffy and I went to our local hall supper room a bit after 8.00am there was us and a couple of others voting. We chatted with the lady in charge. They had 500 ballot papers allotted to the booth, but she thought it likely they’d only see a couple of hundred people. Many, many people around here voted early in Hamilton over the past couple of weeks. There was only one person handing out How to Vote cards. We chatted with her too, although she was handing out for a whacky person, so we didn’t take her paper. I took along my usual cheat sheet that I had prepared earlier.
Surely you should be able to vote on Twitter and Facebook anytime?
I took someone to prepoll yesterday and waited 30 minutes. Today handing out HTVs no one waited longer than 10 minutes.
Witty Rejoinder said:
I took someone to prepoll yesterday and waited 30 minutes. Today handing out HTVs no one waited longer than 10 minutes.
I have never belonged to a political party.
massive independent breakthrough as 100% of called seats shift from major parties
It’s all over, Antony has called it for the ALP.
sibeen said:
It’s all over, Antony has called it for the ALP.
I’ve been watching Planet America and “Humans”. I need to catch up again. I expect it’s National again out here.
buffy said:
sibeen said:
It’s all over, Antony has called it for the ALP.
I’ve been watching Planet America and “Humans”. I need to catch up again. I expect it’s National again out here.
Pfft…17% counted.
Definitely no change here…
https://www.abc.net.au/news/elections/vic/2022/guide/lowa
sibeen said:
It’s all over, Antony has called it for the ALP.
Seems a bit quick. I thought it was going to be a close one?
party_pants said:
sibeen said:
It’s all over, Antony has called it for the ALP.
Seems a bit quick. I thought it was going to be a close one?
yes
oh
HOLY SHIT
Shit eh. LOL.
Still, be interesting to see how the Upper House ends up.
party_pants said:
sibeen said:
It’s all over, Antony has called it for the ALP.
Seems a bit quick. I thought it was going to be a close one?
It was never going to be close in terms of the possibility of a Coalition government. They never looked like a remote chance. Liberals look like losing seats.
There was a suggestion that it could close between a minority or majority government for the ALP (ie whether they would lose enough seats to Ind and Greens to lose majority govt). At the moment Antony has not given that game away, though he is saying the ALP has a good chance of majority government.
dv said:
party_pants said:
sibeen said:
It’s all over, Antony has called it for the ALP.
Seems a bit quick. I thought it was going to be a close one?
It was never going to be close in terms of the possibility of a Coalition government. They never looked like a remote chance. Liberals look like losing seats.
There was a suggestion that it could close between a minority or majority government for the ALP (ie whether they would lose enough seats to Ind and Greens to lose majority govt). At the moment Antony has not given that game away, though he is saying the ALP has a good chance of majority government.
Righto Thanks. I heard a bit about the majority or minority government question, and just assumed the rest.
party_pants said:
dv said:
party_pants said:Seems a bit quick. I thought it was going to be a close one?
It was never going to be close in terms of the possibility of a Coalition government. They never looked like a remote chance. Liberals look like losing seats.
There was a suggestion that it could close between a minority or majority government for the ALP (ie whether they would lose enough seats to Ind and Greens to lose majority govt). At the moment Antony has not given that game away, though he is saying the ALP has a good chance of majority government.
Righto Thanks. I heard a bit about the majority or minority government question, and just assumed the rest.
When in doubt just:
Kingy said:
party_pants said:
dv said:It was never going to be close in terms of the possibility of a Coalition government. They never looked like a remote chance. Liberals look like losing seats.
There was a suggestion that it could close between a minority or majority government for the ALP (ie whether they would lose enough seats to Ind and Greens to lose majority govt). At the moment Antony has not given that game away, though he is saying the ALP has a good chance of majority government.
Righto Thanks. I heard a bit about the majority or minority government question, and just assumed the rest.
When in doubt just:
Heh…
Aaaaaaand Antony has called it as a majority government
dv said:
Kingy said:
party_pants said:Righto Thanks. I heard a bit about the majority or minority government question, and just assumed the rest.
When in doubt just:
Heh…
Aaaaaaand Antony has called it as a majority government
Right then.
What’s next?
dv said:
Kingy said:
party_pants said:Righto Thanks. I heard a bit about the majority or minority government question, and just assumed the rest.
When in doubt just:
Heh…
Aaaaaaand Antony has called it as a majority government
how did the raving lunatic’s parties go?
party_pants said:
dv said:
party_pants said:Seems a bit quick. I thought it was going to be a close one?
It was never going to be close in terms of the possibility of a Coalition government. They never looked like a remote chance. Liberals look like losing seats.
There was a suggestion that it could close between a minority or majority government for the ALP (ie whether they would lose enough seats to Ind and Greens to lose majority govt). At the moment Antony has not given that game away, though he is saying the ALP has a good chance of majority government.
Righto Thanks. I heard a bit about the majority or minority government question, and just assumed the rest.
There has been a lot of story beating up going on in the past week.
JudgeMental said:
dv said:
Kingy said:When in doubt just:
Heh…
Aaaaaaand Antony has called it as a majority government
how did the raving lunatic’s parties go?
How did Ivor Biggun of the Standing at the Back Dressed Stupidly and Looking Stupid Party go?
party_pants said:
dv said:
Kingy said:
When in doubt just:
Heh…
Aaaaaaand Antony has called it as a majority government
Right then.
What’s next?
NSfuckingW
party_pants said:
dv said:
Kingy said:When in doubt just:
Heh…
Aaaaaaand Antony has called it as a majority government
Right then.
What’s next?
Upper House determinations
supermajority
JudgeMental said:
dv said:
Kingy said:When in doubt just:
Heh…
Aaaaaaand Antony has called it as a majority government
how did the raving lunatic’s parties go?
Still partying.
SCIENCE said:
supermajority
Also known as a ‘you other parties can all GAGF’ win.
SCIENCE said:
supermajority
Are there any laws in Victoria that need a supermajority to change?
What is best in life?
To crush your enemies. See them driven before you. And to hear the lamentations of the cookers.
buffy said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
I took someone to prepoll yesterday and waited 30 minutes. Today handing out HTVs no one waited longer than 10 minutes.
I have never belonged to a political party.
I won’t hold it against you.
Well isn’t anymone gunna congratulate Dictator Dan?
Woodie said:
Well isn’t anymone gunna congratulate Dictator Dan?
IBAC? Nothing to see here…
Woodie said:
Well isn’t anymone gunna congratulate Dictator Dan?
perhaps someone on Skynews could give it a crack.
How’s the mood at Sky News?
dv said:
How’s the mood at Sky News?
I don’t watch skynews but I hope they are having a shit time. :)
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/andrew-bolt/andrew-bolt-daniel-andrews-has-been-wounded-probably-fatally/news-story/c49d3bb2d443ab7fec34c3b0cb7745b9?amp
Not… satire
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
How’s the mood at Sky News?
I don’t watch skynews but I hope they are having a shit time. :)
Could have been worse,
I can only imagine what it would have been if the result was an ALP minority government with the support of the Greens.
dv said:
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/andrew-bolt/andrew-bolt-daniel-andrews-has-been-wounded-probably-fatally/news-story/c49d3bb2d443ab7fec34c3b0cb7745b9?amp
Not… satire
I remember when there was some value in buying a newspaper.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/andrew-bolt/andrew-bolt-daniel-andrews-has-been-wounded-probably-fatally/news-story/c49d3bb2d443ab7fec34c3b0cb7745b9?amp
Not… satire
I remember when there was some value in buying a newspaper.
If you wipe your arse with the Herald-Sun your bum actually gets more shitty.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/andrew-bolt/andrew-bolt-daniel-andrews-has-been-wounded-probably-fatally/news-story/c49d3bb2d443ab7fec34c3b0cb7745b9?amp
Not… satire
I remember when there was some value in buying a newspaper.
Coupons?
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
How’s the mood at Sky News?
I don’t watch skynews but I hope they are having a shit time. :)
Could have been worse,
I can only imagine what it would have been if the result was an ALP minority government with the support of the Greens.
I really don’t think it would be as bad as you think. I have lived through a number of minority govts with the greens. we’ve all lived through the greens holding the balance in the senate.
https://twitter.com/SquizzSTK/status/1596464839811280896?s=20&t=1JDUYUUGbRgYMEsJKz0×8g
Bracks on 7news
“The Herald Sun has had 150 negative stories since November 1 about Dan Andrew’s. Well I tell you what Herald Sun, you now have absolutely zero influence.”
sarahs mum said:
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:I don’t watch skynews but I hope they are having a shit time. :)
Could have been worse,
I can only imagine what it would have been if the result was an ALP minority government with the support of the Greens.
I really don’t think it would be as bad as you think. I have lived through a number of minority govts with the greens. we’ve all lived through the greens holding the balance in the senate.
No, I meant the mood at Sky News studios specifically. Not the country in general.
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:
party_pants said:Could have been worse,
I can only imagine what it would have been if the result was an ALP minority government with the support of the Greens.
I really don’t think it would be as bad as you think. I have lived through a number of minority govts with the greens. we’ve all lived through the greens holding the balance in the senate.
No, I meant the mood at Sky News studios specifically. Not the country in general.
Ah. Goodo.
Guy concedes.
“We will finish, despite what many commentators say, we will finish with more seats in the Parliament in both the lower house and the upper house.”
Yeah nah I don’t think you will, son. The Nationals look like they might pick up a couple but the Libs are going backwards downstairs.
Between me and Marie Curie we’ve won 2 Nobel Prizes.
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:
supermajority
Are there any laws in Victoria that need a supermajority to change?
d’n‘o’, sorry, not really into the politics thing despite all the ahahahaing
SCIENCE said:
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:
supermajority
Are there any laws in Victoria that need a supermajority to change?
d’n‘o’, sorry, not really into the politics thing despite all the ahahahaing
Looks like there might be a progressive majority in the Upper House, maybe 23-17.
Pretty good that Labor overcame the rabble of LNP. I suppose the recent inquiry about Morrison’s slimy antics had an impact?
kii said:
Pretty good that Labor overcame the rabble of LNP. I suppose the recent inquiry about Morrison’s slimy antics had an impact?
Maybe but I don’t think these Vic Libs have been very popular anyway
dv said:
kii said:
Pretty good that Labor overcame the rabble of LNP. I suppose the recent inquiry about Morrison’s slimy antics had an impact?
Maybe but I don’t think these Vic Libs have been very popular anyway
I’ve never heard of the LNP leader before, in fact 20 minutes after reading an article about the election results I can’t remember his name.
kii said:
dv said:
kii said:
Pretty good that Labor overcame the rabble of LNP. I suppose the recent inquiry about Morrison’s slimy antics had an impact?
Maybe but I don’t think these Vic Libs have been very popular anyway
I’ve never heard of the LNP leader before, in fact 20 minutes after reading an article about the election results I can’t remember his name.
I dare say he’ll be gone soon
dv said:
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/andrew-bolt/andrew-bolt-daniel-andrews-has-been-wounded-probably-fatally/news-story/c49d3bb2d443ab7fec34c3b0cb7745b9?amp
Not… satire
It’s Andrew Bolt. I doubt he knows what the word sattire actually means.
dv said:
kii said:
Pretty good that Labor overcame the rabble of LNP. I suppose the recent inquiry about Morrison’s slimy antics had an impact?
Maybe but I don’t think these Vic Libs have been very popular anyway
There was a swing of 3.3% to the L/NP.
dv said:
How’s the mood at Sky News?
they must be really clueless as to the minds of the vast majority of Australians. Or is it hubris in the fact that they think they are so superior in thinking that they can’t believe others don’t think the same way?
JudgeMental said:
dv said:
How’s the mood at Sky News?
they must be really clueless as to the minds of the vast majority of Australians. Or is it hubris in the fact that they think they are so superior in thinking that they can’t believe others don’t think the same way?
It is the message they push.
kii said:
dv said:
kii said:
Pretty good that Labor overcame the rabble of LNP. I suppose the recent inquiry about Morrison’s slimy antics had an impact?
Maybe but I don’t think these Vic Libs have been very popular anyway
I’ve never heard of the LNP leader before, in fact 20 minutes after reading an article about the election results I can’t remember his name.
he’s just some Guy you know…
dv said:
How’s the mood at Sky News?
Looks like her brain is imploding.
JudgeMental said:
kii said:
dv said:Maybe but I don’t think these Vic Libs have been very popular anyway
I’ve never heard of the LNP leader before, in fact 20 minutes after reading an article about the election results I can’t remember his name.
he’s just some Guy you know…
Now he’s an even less well known guy.
Ruthless Dictator Dan wins yet another democratic election
the shovel
dv said:
How’s the mood at Sky News?
What is best in life?
To crush your enemies. See them driven before you. And to hear the lamentations of the RWNJ.
He’s had at least one customer.
Matthew Guy.
JudgeMental said:
dv said:
How’s the mood at Sky News?
they must be really clueless as to the minds of the vast majority of Australians. Or is it hubris in the fact that they think they are so superior in thinking that they can’t believe others don’t think the same way?
I think voters are tired of the culture wars and free-market libertarianism.
party_pants said:
JudgeMental said:
dv said:
How’s the mood at Sky News?
they must be really clueless as to the minds of the vast majority of Australians. Or is it hubris in the fact that they think they are so superior in thinking that they can’t believe others don’t think the same way?
I think voters are tired of the culture wars and free-market libertarianism.
The voters are just beginning to see through the bullshit about how private industry ALWAYS does it better, and about how corporatising and outsourcing and privatising everything will produce a wider range of more efficient services at lower prices because of the effect of ‘competition’.
JudgeMental said:
Ruthless Dictator Dan wins yet another democratic election
Might I suggest that Mr PWN will be first in the queue at the post office when it opens on Monday morning to send a congratulatory telegram. 😁
Matthew Guy to resign as Liberal leader after second Victorian election defeat.
“As soon as it is clearer which Liberal Party candidates will form the next parliamentary party room, I will call them together to elect their new leadership team,” he said.
“I will not be a candidate for the position of leader.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-11-27/vic-election-matthew-guy-to-resign-as-liberal-leader/101703320
fsm said:
Now we know where to send the tanks when the revolution dawns. Thanks,comrade.
fsm said:
Interesting. What is that corridor out towards the NE, and why is it different to the rest of the metro area?
party_pants said:
fsm said:
Interesting. What is that corridor out towards the NE, and why is it different to the rest of the metro area?
Outer Eastern suburbs which have always been wealthier. Big blocks, leafy.
Might not be as good an election for the independents as it appeared last night.
The Libs have pulled ahead in Mornington versus Independent Kate Lardner, 50.2 – 49.8.
In Hawthorne Libs now lead 50.7 – 49.3 over Independent Melissa Lowe.
fsm said:
Aargh! Red is so trump’s tie and Republicans and all the horror of the past few years.
I’ll have to reprogram my brane.
JudgeMental said:
dv said:
How’s the mood at Sky News?
they must be really clueless as to the minds of the vast majority of Australians. Or is it hubris in the fact that they think they are so superior in thinking that they can’t believe others don’t think the same way?
All of the above and more.
kii said:
fsm said:
Aargh! Red is so trump’s tie and Republicans and all the horror of the past few years.
I’ll have to reprogram my brane.
Just remember:
‘The workers’ flag
is deepest red
We’ll murder rich folks
in their beds.’
https://twitter.com/TikTokMPs/status/1575338457282408448?t=grE2BoNAVO7DQ06×37QV3Q&s=19
This video is why Labor won
dv said:
https://twitter.com/TikTokMPs/status/1575338457282408448?t=grE2BoNAVO7DQ06×37QV3Q&s=19This video is why Labor won
Yeesh.
The Libs should be glad that getting hammered in the election has been the only punishment they’ve received.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
https://twitter.com/TikTokMPs/status/1575338457282408448?t=grE2BoNAVO7DQ06×37QV3Q&s=19This video is why Labor won
Yeesh.
The Libs should be glad that getting hammered in the election has been the only punishment they’ve received.
The swing to the L/NP is now 3.4%
Peak Warming Man said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
https://twitter.com/TikTokMPs/status/1575338457282408448?t=grE2BoNAVO7DQ06×37QV3Q&s=19This video is why Labor won
Yeesh.
The Libs should be glad that getting hammered in the election has been the only punishment they’ve received.
The swing to the L/NP is now 3.4%
Consolation prize.
Peak Warming Man said:
The swing to the L/NP is now 3.4%
Aw that’s just swell. They should be very proud.
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:The swing to the L/NP is now 3.4%
Aw that’s just swell. They should be very proud.
Well they are heading in the right direction, a bit of encouragement for the next dance.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:The swing to the L/NP is now 3.4%
Aw that’s just swell. They should be very proud.
Well they are heading in the right direction, a bit of encouragement for the next dance.
Two left feet, their dancing style.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:The swing to the L/NP is now 3.4%
Aw that’s just swell. They should be very proud.
Well they are heading in the right direction, a bit of encouragement for the next dance.
If Labor wins the next NSW state election it will be an ALP clean-sweep if you discount Tasmania.
Witty Rejoinder said:
If Labor wins the next NSW state election it will be an ALP clean-sweep if you discount Tasmania.
We can’t discount Tasmania. There are only 6 states, so while 5 out 6 might be impressive I don’t think we can just ignore the other and call it a clean sweep.
Witty Rejoinder said:
If Labor wins the next NSW state election it will be an ALP clean-sweep if you discount Tasmania.
It usually gets left off the map anyway.
Witty Rejoinder said:
If Labor wins the next NSW state election it will be an ALP clean-sweep if you discount Tasmania.
the Libs in tasmania have done well by distancing themselves from mainland Libs.
secede
sarahs mum said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
If Labor wins the next NSW state election it will be an ALP clean-sweep if you discount Tasmania.
the Libs in tasmania have done well by distancing themselves from mainland Libs.
After the second time FriendlyJordies house was fire bombed
https://fb.watch/h2BHqujVVe/
party_pants said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
If Labor wins the next NSW state election it will be an ALP clean-sweep if you discount Tasmania.
We can’t discount Tasmania. There are only 6 states, so while 5 out 6 might be impressive I don’t think we can just ignore the other and call it a clean sweep.
You’re no fun.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:The swing to the L/NP is now 3.4%
Aw that’s just swell. They should be very proud.
Well they are heading in the right direction, a bit of encouragement for the next dance.
Fair dos. It’s hard to get a fourth term.
sarahs mum said:
the Libs in tasmania have done well by distancing themselves from mainland Libs.
Maybe daftness can’t swim
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:Aw that’s just swell. They should be very proud.
Well they are heading in the right direction, a bit of encouragement for the next dance.
Fair dos. It’s hard to get a fourth term.
greensweep
Witty Rejoinder said:
If Labor wins the next NSW state election it will be an ALP clean-sweep if you discount Tasmania.
won’t be hard.
JudgeMental said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
If Labor wins the next NSW state election it will be an ALP clean-sweep if you discount Tasmania.
won’t be hard.
I’d reckon that despite all their corruption, The LNP coalition have more support than Labor in NSW.
Big swing to the Libs in Nepean, about 7%, and they’ll win that seat back of Labor. The new member is tennis player Sam Groth.
sarahs mum said:
“fair and balanced”
Witty Rejoinder said:
If Labor wins the next NSW state election it will be an ALP clean-sweep if you discount Tasmania.
How much would you expect to pay for Tasmania even at a discount?
Ian said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
If Labor wins the next NSW state election it will be an ALP clean-sweep if you discount Tasmania.
How much would you expect to pay for Tasmania even at a discount?
Once you could have asked Gunns that, and been confident that the figure they provided was correct.
Daniel Andrews’s plan to re-establish a publicly owned state electricity commission is not just proof that privatisation has failed, it’s proof that the politics of privatisation have failed.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/nov/25/privatisation-has-failed-australia-needs-to-ditch-the-incentives-rhetoric-and-simply-spend-money-on-things-we-need
Scott Morrison is likely to be censured for “usurping” the Australian parliament, Anthony Albanese has suggested, after being approached by those wishing to “express a view” on the former prime minister’s multiple ministries.
The prime minister said on Sunday that Morrison should be “embarrassed” by the Virginia Bell inquiry report into the saga. Labor will decide its position on the possible censure at a cabinet meeting on Monday.
former prime minister Scott Morrison
The Bell report, released on Friday, agreed with the solicitor general’s conclusion that Morrison’s decision to be appointed to five additional portfolios during the pandemic undermined responsible government, adding that it was “corrosive of trust in government”.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/nov/27/scott-morrison-likely-to-be-censured-for-usurping-parliament-albanese-suggests
In a statement on Friday afternoon, Morrison said he had acted to “best advance and protect Australia’s national interests”, explaining that the decisions to take on extra powers “were taken during an extremely challenging period, where there was a need for considerable urgency”.
“I am pleased that this matter has now concluded and I can continue, as I have since the last election, to serve the people of Cook as their federal member of parliament.”
Some decent primary votes for the Socialists in the inner city seats. Just the thing to put a rocket up those staid Greens.
dv said:
Some decent primary votes for the Socialists in the inner city seats. Just the thing to put a rocket up those staid Greens.
Socialist candidates? I suppose it’s good to have a hobby.
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
Some decent primary votes for the Socialists in the inner city seats. Just the thing to put a rocket up those staid Greens.Socialist candidates? I suppose it’s good to have a hobby.
I didn’t even know there was a Victorian Socialist Party until a few years ago when someone mentioned it at the Australian Skeptics Conference I attended in Melbourne.
roughbarked said:
A senior Victorian National Party member pushes for his party to reconsider the Coalition agreement after the Labor’s Party election victory.
‘F*** these losers.’
roughbarked said:
A senior Victorian National Party member pushes for his party to reconsider the Coalition agreement after the Labor’s Party election victory.
Makes sense. Nationals did pretty well for themselves in both houses.
dv said:
roughbarked said:
A senior Victorian National Party member pushes for his party to reconsider the Coalition agreement after the Labor’s Party election victory.
Makes sense. Nationals did pretty well for themselves in both houses.
Yes.
https://www.3aw.com.au/vec-knocks-back-ian-cooks-request-for-vote-re-count-in-mulgrave/
VEC knocks back Ian Cook’s request for vote re-count in Mulgrave
The Victorian Electoral Commission says there will be no re-count of votes in Mulgrave.
It comes after independent candidate for Mulgrave, Ian Cook, claimed the VEC misallocated “a whole bunch” of his first-preference votes to Daniel Andrews.
Mr Cook doesn’t believe the alleged miscount would have changed the result, but claims it may make Mulgrave a marginal seat.
The ABC site mow has 8 seats in doubt rather than 7 they had listed this morning.
They list the ALP ahead in Pakenham, and they are, by 8 votes :)
sibeen said:
The ABC site mow has 8 seats in doubt rather than 7 they had listed this morning.They list the ALP ahead in Pakenham, and they are, by 8 votes :)
That’s heaps. :-)
dv said:
https://www.3aw.com.au/vec-knocks-back-ian-cooks-request-for-vote-re-count-in-mulgrave/VEC knocks back Ian Cook’s request for vote re-count in Mulgrave
The Victorian Electoral Commission says there will be no re-count of votes in Mulgrave.
It comes after independent candidate for Mulgrave, Ian Cook, claimed the VEC misallocated “a whole bunch” of his first-preference votes to Daniel Andrews.
Mr Cook doesn’t believe the alleged miscount would have changed the result, but claims it may make Mulgrave a marginal seat.
Do I need to look up this Ian Cook person? Is he sensible or one of the independents who used to belong to one of the whacko parties (like the independent who stood here was)?
buffy said:
dv said:
https://www.3aw.com.au/vec-knocks-back-ian-cooks-request-for-vote-re-count-in-mulgrave/VEC knocks back Ian Cook’s request for vote re-count in Mulgrave
The Victorian Electoral Commission says there will be no re-count of votes in Mulgrave.
It comes after independent candidate for Mulgrave, Ian Cook, claimed the VEC misallocated “a whole bunch” of his first-preference votes to Daniel Andrews.
Mr Cook doesn’t believe the alleged miscount would have changed the result, but claims it may make Mulgrave a marginal seat.
Do I need to look up this Ian Cook person? Is he sensible or one of the independents who used to belong to one of the whacko parties (like the independent who stood here was)?
Oh, it’s the Ian Cook of catering and fighting with council fame. He probably has got a view of how things can be corrupt.
https://iancook.com.au/
The Government has decided to go the censure motion route.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-11-28/censure-motion-scott-morrison-parliament-go-ahead/101705568
buffy said:
buffy said:
dv said:
https://www.3aw.com.au/vec-knocks-back-ian-cooks-request-for-vote-re-count-in-mulgrave/VEC knocks back Ian Cook’s request for vote re-count in Mulgrave
The Victorian Electoral Commission says there will be no re-count of votes in Mulgrave.
It comes after independent candidate for Mulgrave, Ian Cook, claimed the VEC misallocated “a whole bunch” of his first-preference votes to Daniel Andrews.
Mr Cook doesn’t believe the alleged miscount would have changed the result, but claims it may make Mulgrave a marginal seat.
Do I need to look up this Ian Cook person? Is he sensible or one of the independents who used to belong to one of the whacko parties (like the independent who stood here was)?
Oh, it’s the Ian Cook of catering and fighting with council fame. He probably has got a view of how things can be corrupt.
https://iancook.com.au/
No traces of nuts by the look of it.
Peak Warming Man said:
buffy said:
buffy said:Do I need to look up this Ian Cook person? Is he sensible or one of the independents who used to belong to one of the whacko parties (like the independent who stood here was)?
Oh, it’s the Ian Cook of catering and fighting with council fame. He probably has got a view of how things can be corrupt.
https://iancook.com.au/
No traces of nuts by the look of it.
Not a cooker
buffy said:
The Government has decided to go the censure motion route.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-11-28/censure-motion-scott-morrison-parliament-go-ahead/101705568
They are jumping the shark early.
Peak Warming Man said:
buffy said:
The Government has decided to go the censure motion route.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-11-28/censure-motion-scott-morrison-parliament-go-ahead/101705568
They are jumping the shark early.
With sharks it is always best to jump early.
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
buffy said:Oh, it’s the Ian Cook of catering and fighting with council fame. He probably has got a view of how things can be corrupt.
https://iancook.com.au/
No traces of nuts by the look of it.
Not a cooker
Well, his business is catering….but I know what you mean.
The great thing about being a Labor supporter is that I’m able to handle their defeats and setbacks with quiet dignity, not completely lose my shit whenever the other side wins.
dv said:
The great thing about being a Labor supporter is that I’m able to handle their defeats and setbacks with quiet dignity, not completely lose my shit whenever the other side wins.
dv said:
The great thing about being a Labor supporter is that I’m able to handle their defeats and setbacks with quiet dignity, not completely lose my shit whenever the other side wins.
Jewish nazis are worse than Illinois nazis.
dv said:
The great thing about being a Labor supporter is that I’m able to handle their defeats and setbacks with quiet dignity, not completely lose my shit whenever the other side wins.
I’ve never heard of this guy and it appears that i haven’t missed out on anything of importance.
Kingy said:
dv said:
The great thing about being a Labor supporter is that I’m able to handle their defeats and setbacks with quiet dignity, not completely lose my shit whenever the other side wins.
I’ve never heard of this guy and it appears that i haven’t missed out on anything of importance.
He’s good comic relief.
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
The great thing about being a Labor supporter is that I’m able to handle their defeats and setbacks with quiet dignity, not completely lose my shit whenever the other side wins.
Jewish nazis are worse than Illinois nazis.
Yeah, drive them off the bridge.
Kingy said:
dv said:
The great thing about being a Labor supporter is that I’m able to handle their defeats and setbacks with quiet dignity, not completely lose my shit whenever the other side wins.
I’ve never heard of this guy and it appears that i haven’t missed out on anything of importance.
cookerworld can be quite entertaining. especially when they lose. which is just about all the time.
JudgeMental said:
Kingy said:
dv said:
The great thing about being a Labor supporter is that I’m able to handle their defeats and setbacks with quiet dignity, not completely lose my shit whenever the other side wins.
I’ve never heard of this guy and it appears that i haven’t missed out on anything of importance.
cookerworld can be quite entertaining. especially when they lose. which is just about all the time.
imagine the laughs when they win
dv said:
The great thing about being a Labor supporter is that I’m able to handle their defeats and setbacks with quiet dignity, not completely lose my shit whenever the other side wins.
aye
Kingy said:
dv said:
The great thing about being a Labor supporter is that I’m able to handle their defeats and setbacks with quiet dignity, not completely lose my shit whenever the other side wins.
I’ve never heard of this guy and it appears that i haven’t missed out on anything of importance.
Seems that way.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Kingy said:
dv said:
The great thing about being a Labor supporter is that I’m able to handle their defeats and setbacks with quiet dignity, not completely lose my shit whenever the other side wins.
I’ve never heard of this guy and it appears that i haven’t missed out on anything of importance.
He’s good comic relief.
Might be comic but good relief?
Be interested to see whether anyone crosses the floor on the vote to censure Morrison
dv said:
Be interested to see whether anyone crosses the floor on the vote to censure Morrison
Got any members in mind?
roughbarked said:
dv said:
Be interested to see whether anyone crosses the floor on the vote to censure Morrison
Got any members in mind?
Bridget Archer for one
dv said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:
Be interested to see whether anyone crosses the floor on the vote to censure Morrison
Got any members in mind?
Bridget Archer for one
Yep she’s a likely contender.
It’s all about a bit of paper
on and on it goes.
The National party says it will campaign against a Voice to Parliament.
sarahs mum said:
Quite right – I read someone’s clear assertion a few months back that the real Dan Andrews had been taken to Guantanamo Bay and executed, and what we were seeing and hearing was a clone.
sarahs mum said:
‘I Was Monty’s Double’.
Neophyte said:
sarahs mum said:
Quite right – I read someone’s clear assertion a few months back that the real Dan Andrews had been taken to Guantanamo Bay and executed, and what we were seeing and hearing was a clone.
Bloody hell
Neophyte said:
sarahs mum said:
Quite right – I read someone’s clear assertion a few months back that the real Dan Andrews had been taken to Guantanamo Bay and executed, and what we were seeing and hearing was a clone.
Bejeezus, Victorians were hoodwinked?
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:
‘I Was Monty’s Double’.
Did you leave your hat on?
dv said:
Neophyte said:
sarahs mum said:
Quite right – I read someone’s clear assertion a few months back that the real Dan Andrews had been taken to Guantanamo Bay and executed, and what we were seeing and hearing was a clone.
Bloody hell
They tried to do that with me once, but i convinced them that i was the clone, and they took the clone and executed him.
At least, i think that’s how it went.
roughbarked said:
Neophyte said:
sarahs mum said:
Quite right – I read someone’s clear assertion a few months back that the real Dan Andrews had been taken to Guantanamo Bay and executed, and what we were seeing and hearing was a clone.
Bejeezus, Victorians were hoodwinked?
Even worse – during lockdowns there were flights landing in Melbourne direct from China with cargo that was somehow going to increase the CCP’s control of the Vic government.
Somehow the people that have no trouble with such scenarios can’t believe a Covid vaccine can be developed in quick time.
Neophyte said:
roughbarked said:
Neophyte said:Quite right – I read someone’s clear assertion a few months back that the real Dan Andrews had been taken to Guantanamo Bay and executed, and what we were seeing and hearing was a clone.
Bejeezus, Victorians were hoodwinked?
Even worse – during lockdowns there were flights landing in Melbourne direct from China with cargo that was somehow going to increase the CCP’s control of the Vic government.
Somehow the people that have no trouble with such scenarios can’t believe a Covid vaccine can be developed in quick time.
Well it is south of the border and last I heard, that was down Mexico way.
Neophyte said:
sarahs mum said:
Quite right – I read someone’s clear assertion a few months back that the real Dan Andrews had been taken to Guantanamo Bay and executed, and what we were seeing and hearing was a clone.
Yep, that’s been kept very quiet.
But we need to stay grounded and keep an open mind.
Just because it’s never been rebutted doesn’t mean it’s true, but yeah.
Some are saying that it was never even butted.
lizard paedophiles
JudgeMental said:
must be old news. over a year. still, I guess the Libs are desperate enough to give it a go.
JudgeMental said:
Hahahaha – pure comedy gold. Jones is like a fine wine, just get better with age.
sibeen said:
JudgeMental said:
Hahahaha – pure comedy gold. Jones is like a fine wine, just get better with age.
it’s old though a Jones left Sky a year ago.
sibeen said:
JudgeMental said:
Hahahaha – pure comedy gold. Jones is like a fine wine, just get better with age.
More like a fossil, he lingers on getting more and more set in stone long after the youthful flesh and blood has disappeared.
JudgeMental said:
sibeen said:
JudgeMental said:
Hahahaha – pure comedy gold. Jones is like a fine wine, just get better with age.
it’s old though a Jones left Sky a year ago.
even so, Peta wouldn’t last 5 minutes.
JudgeMental said:
JudgeMental said:
sibeen said:Hahahaha – pure comedy gold. Jones is like a fine wine, just get better with age.
it’s old though a Jones left Sky a year ago.
even so, Peta wouldn’t last 5 minutes.
Moving the libs even further away from the centre – that’s what the electorate is demanding, don’t you know.
sibeen said:
JudgeMental said:
JudgeMental said:it’s old though a Jones left Sky a year ago.
even so, Peta wouldn’t last 5 minutes.
Moving the libs even further away from the centre – that’s what the electorate is demanding, don’t you know.
what would the electorate know? certainly not what’s good for them.
JudgeMental said:
sibeen said:
JudgeMental said:
even so, Peta wouldn’t last 5 minutes.
Moving the libs even further away from the centre – that’s what the electorate is demanding, don’t you know.
what would the electorate know? certainly not what’s good for them.
only if they’re demented and needing care wait what
SCIENCE said:
JudgeMental said:
sibeen said:
Moving the libs even further away from the centre – that’s what the electorate is demanding, don’t you know.
what would the electorate know? certainly not what’s good for them.
only if they’re demented and needing care wait what
Kerryn Phelps is a bit of a nutter.
What’s a “cooker”?
kii said:
What’s a “cooker”?
Ah, found it!
Urban Dictionary:
Cooker
Australian slang for an anti-vaxxer. They are usually against mask mandates, lockdowns and state/international border closures. Many believe in outlandish conspiracy theories.
Can often be seen posting misinformation on Facebook, telling people to “do your own research” and protesting in the streets against “tyranny” and for freedumb. Often votes for One Nation or United Australia Party, but not always.
Comes from “cooked” which is a more polite version of “fucked”
Compare with MAGA in the US, or the trucker convoy in Canada.
“Canberra has a thriving new hobby: watching the cookers” – Canberra Times, 17 May 2022
SCIENCE said:
JudgeMental said:
sibeen said:
Moving the libs even further away from the centre – that’s what the electorate is demanding, don’t you know.
what would the electorate know? certainly not what’s good for them.
only if they’re demented and needing care wait what
Yet when they wanted the Liberals to help them dujring the pandemic, they got shafted.
kii said:
kii said:
What’s a “cooker”?
Ah, found it!
Urban Dictionary:
Cooker
Australian slang for an anti-vaxxer. They are usually against mask mandates, lockdowns and state/international border closures. Many believe in outlandish conspiracy theories.
Can often be seen posting misinformation on Facebook, telling people to “do your own research” and protesting in the streets against “tyranny” and for freedumb. Often votes for One Nation or United Australia Party, but not always.
Comes from “cooked” which is a more polite version of “fucked”
Compare with MAGA in the US, or the trucker convoy in Canada.
“Canberra has a thriving new hobby: watching the cookers” – Canberra Times, 17 May 2022
Better explanations
https://twitter.com/peter_fitz/status/1495534424238313472?lang=en
Morrison, liar to the last, can’t get his story straight about multiple ministries
The former prime minister has been caught out lying again, this time about why he kept his multiple ministries secret.
BERNARD KEANE
NOV 28, 2022
FORMER PRIME MINISTER SCOTT MORRISON
Why were Scott Morrison’s multiple ministries kept secret from most of the ministers involved, from the Parliament and from Australians? On that subject, the greatest liar ever to hold prime ministerial office in Australia seems determined to go out with one final whopper.
According to the report by former High Court judge Virginia Bell AC, “responsibility for the failure to notify the public and the Parliament of the making of these appointments rests with Mr Morrison and not the governor-general or the office of the official secretary to the governor-general”.
Nor did it rest with Prime Minister and Cabinet: “PM&C has never arranged for the publication in the Gazette of ministerial appointments. PM&C views it as within the prerogative of the prime minister to announce the composition of, or changes to, the ministry.”
What does Morrison say? Well, not much, because his involvement with the inquiry consisted of writing letters to Bell, through his lawyer Clutz partner Ashley Tsacalos, (one of which lectured her that she should not “draw conclusions based on incomplete information available … in relation to issues of national security and national interest generally”.)
Morrison, through his lawyer, told Bell his public statements and Facebook posts were answers to her questions. In those statements, Morrison said he didn’t want ministers second-guessing themselves so he kept Mathias Cormann, Josh Frydenberg and Karen Andrews in the dark, and he didn’t want the public to know because it would be “misinterpreted and misunderstood, which would have caused unnecessary angst”.
Morrison should have left it there. But consistent with his long history of lying even when he doesn’t have to, he then went further. On November 4, Tsacalos wrote to Bell to tell her Morrison’s memory has been jogged.
We can confirm that neither Mr Morrison nor his office instructed PM&C not to gazette the appointments, nor was he or his office consulted on whether the appointments should be published in the Gazette. These decisions, like all such matters, were left to PM&C to determine in accordance with what they considered to be the usual practice. Mr Morrison also assumed the usual practice would apply following the relevant ministerial appointments.
But what did Morrison think was the “usual practice”? Bell asked Tsacalos, and Tsacalos wrote back: “At the time of the appointments, the subject of the inquiry, Mr Morrison, had no reason to understand otherwise than that PM&C’s usual practice was to arrange publication in the Gazette of the names of the ministers and the offices they held — irrespective of whether a minister was sworn in at Government House or not. Naturally, he expected that this usual practice would be followed.”
That was a clear sign that Morrison was lying. And just to make it clearer, the lawyer added:
The public statements by Mr Morrison were directed to the fact that he did not inform all relevant ministers or members of the public of the ministerial appointments by way of media release or public statement. However, this in no way suggests that he did not expect that the usual practice would apply and that PM&C would publish the appointments in the Gazette.
This statement makes zero sense. If Morrison didn’t want ministers to know he’d been sworn into their portfolios, as he said, that’s utterly inconsistent with his professed belief that in fact the appointments would be gazetted by PM&C as “the usual practice”.
As Bell notes: “Mr Morrison’s assumption that all the appointments were notified to the public in the Gazette is not easy to reconcile with his conduct at the time or with his public statements when the appointments came to light.”
In fact, it’s utterly implausible that Morrison both thought the appointments would be gazetted and that the relevant ministers would remain unaware.
Ditto the public. Morrison said he didn’t want to make the appointments public because it would alarm the public and would be “misinterpreted”, but also that he expected the appointments to be made public via the Gazette.
In Bell’s words: “While few members of the public may read the Gazette, any idea that the gazettal of the prime minister’s appointment to administer the treasury (or any of the other appointments) would not be picked up and quickly circulated within the public service and the Parliament strikes me as improbable in the extreme. Finally, Mr Morrison was repeatedly pressed at his press conference on 17 August 2022 about his failure not only to inform his ministers but also to inform the public of the appointments. The omission on that occasion to state that he had acted at all times on the assumption that each appointment had been notified to the public in the Gazette is striking.”
Striking is one word. Blatant falsehood is another.
Morrison as prime minister never knew when to stop lying. It seems he still doesn’t.
JudgeMental said:
Morrison, liar to the last, can’t get his story straight about multiple ministries
The former prime minister has been caught out lying again, this time about why he kept his multiple ministries secret.BERNARD KEANE
NOV 28, 2022FORMER PRIME MINISTER SCOTT MORRISON
Why were Scott Morrison’s multiple ministries kept secret from most of the ministers involved, from the Parliament and from Australians? On that subject, the greatest liar ever to hold prime ministerial office in Australia seems determined to go out with one final whopper.According to the report by former High Court judge Virginia Bell AC, “responsibility for the failure to notify the public and the Parliament of the making of these appointments rests with Mr Morrison and not the governor-general or the office of the official secretary to the governor-general”.
Nor did it rest with Prime Minister and Cabinet: “PM&C has never arranged for the publication in the Gazette of ministerial appointments. PM&C views it as within the prerogative of the prime minister to announce the composition of, or changes to, the ministry.”
What does Morrison say? Well, not much, because his involvement with the inquiry consisted of writing letters to Bell, through his lawyer Clutz partner Ashley Tsacalos, (one of which lectured her that she should not “draw conclusions based on incomplete information available … in relation to issues of national security and national interest generally”.)
Morrison, through his lawyer, told Bell his public statements and Facebook posts were answers to her questions. In those statements, Morrison said he didn’t want ministers second-guessing themselves so he kept Mathias Cormann, Josh Frydenberg and Karen Andrews in the dark, and he didn’t want the public to know because it would be “misinterpreted and misunderstood, which would have caused unnecessary angst”.
Morrison should have left it there. But consistent with his long history of lying even when he doesn’t have to, he then went further. On November 4, Tsacalos wrote to Bell to tell her Morrison’s memory has been jogged.
We can confirm that neither Mr Morrison nor his office instructed PM&C not to gazette the appointments, nor was he or his office consulted on whether the appointments should be published in the Gazette. These decisions, like all such matters, were left to PM&C to determine in accordance with what they considered to be the usual practice. Mr Morrison also assumed the usual practice would apply following the relevant ministerial appointments.
But what did Morrison think was the “usual practice”? Bell asked Tsacalos, and Tsacalos wrote back: “At the time of the appointments, the subject of the inquiry, Mr Morrison, had no reason to understand otherwise than that PM&C’s usual practice was to arrange publication in the Gazette of the names of the ministers and the offices they held — irrespective of whether a minister was sworn in at Government House or not. Naturally, he expected that this usual practice would be followed.”
That was a clear sign that Morrison was lying. And just to make it clearer, the lawyer added:
The public statements by Mr Morrison were directed to the fact that he did not inform all relevant ministers or members of the public of the ministerial appointments by way of media release or public statement. However, this in no way suggests that he did not expect that the usual practice would apply and that PM&C would publish the appointments in the Gazette.
This statement makes zero sense. If Morrison didn’t want ministers to know he’d been sworn into their portfolios, as he said, that’s utterly inconsistent with his professed belief that in fact the appointments would be gazetted by PM&C as “the usual practice”.
As Bell notes: “Mr Morrison’s assumption that all the appointments were notified to the public in the Gazette is not easy to reconcile with his conduct at the time or with his public statements when the appointments came to light.”
In fact, it’s utterly implausible that Morrison both thought the appointments would be gazetted and that the relevant ministers would remain unaware.
Ditto the public. Morrison said he didn’t want to make the appointments public because it would alarm the public and would be “misinterpreted”, but also that he expected the appointments to be made public via the Gazette.
In Bell’s words: “While few members of the public may read the Gazette, any idea that the gazettal of the prime minister’s appointment to administer the treasury (or any of the other appointments) would not be picked up and quickly circulated within the public service and the Parliament strikes me as improbable in the extreme. Finally, Mr Morrison was repeatedly pressed at his press conference on 17 August 2022 about his failure not only to inform his ministers but also to inform the public of the appointments. The omission on that occasion to state that he had acted at all times on the assumption that each appointment had been notified to the public in the Gazette is striking.”
Striking is one word. Blatant falsehood is another.
Morrison as prime minister never knew when to stop lying. It seems he still doesn’t.
It is not a lie if God supported it?
Morrison’s entire life is based on telling lies.
His earlier ‘career’ was in marketing, which is built around telling lies. Or, at least leaving out the parts of the truth that don’t suit your purposes and emphasising the bits that do (in many ways, an ideal grounding for a life in politics).
However, he wasn’t very good at it, and the various ‘campaigns’ in which he had a hand were either failures or the subject of ridicule. Yet, he somehow kept managing to lie his way into the next well-paid but undemanding job in the industry.
Morrison seems to be unable to distinguish truth from lie any more, believes firmly in whatever last came out of his mouth (with, he imagines, any previous utterances wiped from record and memory), and expects that everyone else will do the same.
JudgeMental said:
kii said:
kii said:
What’s a “cooker”?
Ah, found it!
Urban Dictionary:
Cooker
Australian slang for an anti-vaxxer. They are usually against mask mandates, lockdowns and state/international border closures. Many believe in outlandish conspiracy theories.
Can often be seen posting misinformation on Facebook, telling people to “do your own research” and protesting in the streets against “tyranny” and for freedumb. Often votes for One Nation or United Australia Party, but not always.
Comes from “cooked” which is a more polite version of “fucked”
Compare with MAGA in the US, or the trucker convoy in Canada.
“Canberra has a thriving new hobby: watching the cookers” – Canberra Times, 17 May 2022
Better explanations
https://twitter.com/peter_fitz/status/1495534424238313472?lang=en
Cool, thanks.
captain_spalding said:
Morrison’s entire life is based on telling lies.His earlier ‘career’ was in marketing, which is built around telling lies. Or, at least leaving out the parts of the truth that don’t suit your purposes and emphasising the bits that do (in many ways, an ideal grounding for a life in politics).
However, he wasn’t very good at it, and the various ‘campaigns’ in which he had a hand were either failures or the subject of ridicule. Yet, he somehow kept managing to lie his way into the next well-paid but undemanding job in the industry.
Morrison seems to be unable to distinguish truth from lie any more, believes firmly in whatever last came out of his mouth (with, he imagines, any previous utterances wiped from record and memory), and expects that everyone else will do the same.
His religious beliefs are also part of lying behaviour.
I hate liars.
kii said:
captain_spalding said:
Morrison’s entire life is based on telling lies.His earlier ‘career’ was in marketing, which is built around telling lies. Or, at least leaving out the parts of the truth that don’t suit your purposes and emphasising the bits that do (in many ways, an ideal grounding for a life in politics).
However, he wasn’t very good at it, and the various ‘campaigns’ in which he had a hand were either failures or the subject of ridicule. Yet, he somehow kept managing to lie his way into the next well-paid but undemanding job in the industry.
Morrison seems to be unable to distinguish truth from lie any more, believes firmly in whatever last came out of his mouth (with, he imagines, any previous utterances wiped from record and memory), and expects that everyone else will do the same.
His religious beliefs are also part of lying behaviour.
I hate liars.
His penchant for lying makes it easier for him to absorb the religion.
The religion helps him with his attitude towards lying.
captain_spalding said:
kii said:
captain_spalding said:
Morrison’s entire life is based on telling lies.His earlier ‘career’ was in marketing, which is built around telling lies. Or, at least leaving out the parts of the truth that don’t suit your purposes and emphasising the bits that do (in many ways, an ideal grounding for a life in politics).
However, he wasn’t very good at it, and the various ‘campaigns’ in which he had a hand were either failures or the subject of ridicule. Yet, he somehow kept managing to lie his way into the next well-paid but undemanding job in the industry.
Morrison seems to be unable to distinguish truth from lie any more, believes firmly in whatever last came out of his mouth (with, he imagines, any previous utterances wiped from record and memory), and expects that everyone else will do the same.
His religious beliefs are also part of lying behaviour.
I hate liars.
His penchant for lying makes it easier for him to absorb the religion.
The religion helps him with his attitude towards lying.
Exactly what my brain was thinking. Lying short circuits my ability to clearly articulate my thoughts.
kii said:
captain_spalding said:
kii said:His religious beliefs are also part of lying behaviour.
I hate liars.
His penchant for lying makes it easier for him to absorb the religion.
The religion helps him with his attitude towards lying.
Exactly what my brain was thinking. Lying short circuits my ability to clearly articulate my thoughts.
My father told me how one lie starts a whole web of lies from which the truth can no longer be gleaned.
roughbarked said:
kii said:
captain_spalding said:His penchant for lying makes it easier for him to absorb the religion.
The religion helps him with his attitude towards lying.
Exactly what my brain was thinking. Lying short circuits my ability to clearly articulate my thoughts.
My father told me how one lie starts a whole web of lies from which the truth can no longer be gleaned.
like the lies on which religions are based
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
kii said:Exactly what my brain was thinking. Lying short circuits my ability to clearly articulate my thoughts.
My father told me how one lie starts a whole web of lies from which the truth can no longer be gleaned.
like the lies on which religions are based
Agree.
Once again… I’m struck by Musk’s lack of dignity. He whips himself publically to announce his disappointments.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-11-29/morrison-thanks-colleagues-on-eve-of-ministries-censure/101711486
Those wacky West Australians!
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-11-29/wa-nationals-party-breaks-ranks-over-indigenous-voice-policy/101710240
VEC gone on strike, eh?
Matthew Guy looks set to resign the Liberal leadership as the party looks “down the barrel” of opposition for the next decade, former shadow cabinet minister Tim Smith has said.
While the government suffered more than a 6 per cent swing against it in primary vote, the Liberal Party failed to gain ground in much-needed target seats forcing Mr Guy to make his second concession speech in four years.
——
https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/politics/former-mp-tim-smith-declares-daniel-andrews-2022-election-victory-will-put-liberals-in-opposition-until-2030-as-he-flags-matthew-guys-resignation-from-leadership/news-story/94041c8e6118999cc650f2593d3e5df9
Yeah it was a real car crash
dv said:
Matthew Guy looks set to resign the Liberal leadership as the party looks “down the barrel” of opposition for the next decade, former shadow cabinet minister Tim Smith has said.While the government suffered more than a 6 per cent swing against it in primary vote, the Liberal Party failed to gain ground in much-needed target seats forcing Mr Guy to make his second concession speech in four years.
——
https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/politics/former-mp-tim-smith-declares-daniel-andrews-2022-election-victory-will-put-liberals-in-opposition-until-2030-as-he-flags-matthew-guys-resignation-from-leadership/news-story/94041c8e6118999cc650f2593d3e5df9
Yeah it was a real car crash
Did that church woman win her seat? The one Guy tried to disown.
dv said:
Matthew Guy looks set to resign the Liberal leadership as the party looks “down the barrel” of opposition for the next decade, former shadow cabinet minister Tim Smith has said.While the government suffered more than a 6 per cent swing against it in primary vote, the Liberal Party failed to gain ground in much-needed target seats forcing Mr Guy to make his second concession speech in four years.
——
https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/politics/former-mp-tim-smith-declares-daniel-andrews-2022-election-victory-will-put-liberals-in-opposition-until-2030-as-he-flags-matthew-guys-resignation-from-leadership/news-story/94041c8e6118999cc650f2593d3e5df9
Yeah it was a real car crash
the comments are interesting.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Matthew Guy looks set to resign the Liberal leadership as the party looks “down the barrel” of opposition for the next decade, former shadow cabinet minister Tim Smith has said.While the government suffered more than a 6 per cent swing against it in primary vote, the Liberal Party failed to gain ground in much-needed target seats forcing Mr Guy to make his second concession speech in four years.
——
https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/politics/former-mp-tim-smith-declares-daniel-andrews-2022-election-victory-will-put-liberals-in-opposition-until-2030-as-he-flags-matthew-guys-resignation-from-leadership/news-story/94041c8e6118999cc650f2593d3e5df9
Yeah it was a real car crash
Did that church woman win her seat? The one Guy tried to disown.
Yeah. Upper house so was really a fait accompli.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Matthew Guy looks set to resign the Liberal leadership as the party looks “down the barrel” of opposition for the next decade, former shadow cabinet minister Tim Smith has said.While the government suffered more than a 6 per cent swing against it in primary vote, the Liberal Party failed to gain ground in much-needed target seats forcing Mr Guy to make his second concession speech in four years.
——
https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/politics/former-mp-tim-smith-declares-daniel-andrews-2022-election-victory-will-put-liberals-in-opposition-until-2030-as-he-flags-matthew-guys-resignation-from-leadership/news-story/94041c8e6118999cc650f2593d3e5df9
Yeah it was a real car crash
Did that church woman win her seat? The one Guy tried to disown.
Yeah. Upper house so was really a fait accompli.
I love it when you speak French.
JudgeMental said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Bubblecar said:Did that church woman win her seat? The one Guy tried to disown.
Yeah. Upper house so was really a fait accompli.
I love it when you speak French.
I am a lovable guy.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Matthew Guy looks set to resign the Liberal leadership as the party looks “down the barrel” of opposition for the next decade, former shadow cabinet minister Tim Smith has said.While the government suffered more than a 6 per cent swing against it in primary vote, the Liberal Party failed to gain ground in much-needed target seats forcing Mr Guy to make his second concession speech in four years.
——
https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/politics/former-mp-tim-smith-declares-daniel-andrews-2022-election-victory-will-put-liberals-in-opposition-until-2030-as-he-flags-matthew-guys-resignation-from-leadership/news-story/94041c8e6118999cc650f2593d3e5df9
Yeah it was a real car crash
Did that church woman win her seat? The one Guy tried to disown.
She did. It was pretty much a sure thing.
Also…
“
All four of the candidates who have so far put up their hand to be the next Liberal Party leader say they would reverse Matthew Guy’s party room ban on Renee Heath, an ultra-conservative church member and newly elected upper house MP.”
dv said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Matthew Guy looks set to resign the Liberal leadership as the party looks “down the barrel” of opposition for the next decade, former shadow cabinet minister Tim Smith has said.While the government suffered more than a 6 per cent swing against it in primary vote, the Liberal Party failed to gain ground in much-needed target seats forcing Mr Guy to make his second concession speech in four years.
——
https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/politics/former-mp-tim-smith-declares-daniel-andrews-2022-election-victory-will-put-liberals-in-opposition-until-2030-as-he-flags-matthew-guys-resignation-from-leadership/news-story/94041c8e6118999cc650f2593d3e5df9
Yeah it was a real car crash
Did that church woman win her seat? The one Guy tried to disown.
She did. It was pretty much a sure thing.
Also…
“
All four of the candidates who have so far put up their hand to be the next Liberal Party leader say they would reverse Matthew Guy’s party room ban on Renee Heath, an ultra-conservative church member and newly elected upper house MP.”
Goodo, they’ve learnt to really enjoy those Opposition benches.
I know deevs was having a go at the USA a month or so ago on how slow their counting was, especially in California.
Pakenham is certainly giving them a run for their money. It’s been 8 votes difference since Sunday, at least according to the Aunty.
And the NACC went through the Senate. We heard it on the radio driving home from archery. (Yes, I had the radio in the car on Parliament, and we even listened to Michaelia. My goodness she has quietened down. She still doesn’t talk sense, but she’s a lot less shouty)
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-11-29/national-anti-corruption-commission-passes-senate/101711668
buffy said:
And the NACC went through the Senate. We heard it on the radio driving home from archery. (Yes, I had the radio in the car on Parliament, and we even listened to Michaelia. My goodness she has quietened down. She still doesn’t talk sense, but she’s a lot less shouty)https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-11-29/national-anti-corruption-commission-passes-senate/101711668
It could be very effective against corruption.
It could be utterly useless.
Or anywhere in between.
We may never know, as almost everything it does will be behind closed doors.
buffy said:
And the NACC went through the Senate. We heard it on the radio driving home from archery. (Yes, I had the radio in the car on Parliament, and we even listened to Michaelia. My goodness she has quietened down. She still doesn’t talk sense, but she’s a lot less shouty)https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-11-29/national-anti-corruption-commission-passes-senate/101711668
Still not in an ideal format, but it is better than a hundred years of nothing.
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:
And the NACC went through the Senate. We heard it on the radio driving home from archery. (Yes, I had the radio in the car on Parliament, and we even listened to Michaelia. My goodness she has quietened down. She still doesn’t talk sense, but she’s a lot less shouty)https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-11-29/national-anti-corruption-commission-passes-senate/101711668
It could be very effective against corruption.
It could be utterly useless.
Or anywhere in between.
We may never know, as almost everything it does will be behind closed doors.
Sigh
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:
And the NACC went through the Senate. We heard it on the radio driving home from archery. (Yes, I had the radio in the car on Parliament, and we even listened to Michaelia. My goodness she has quietened down. She still doesn’t talk sense, but she’s a lot less shouty)https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-11-29/national-anti-corruption-commission-passes-senate/101711668
It could be very effective against corruption.
It could be utterly useless.
Or anywhere in between.
We may never know, as almost everything it does will be behind closed doors.
miffed about that.
Thanks for that link JudgeM. So now I can put this in the proper place…the censure motion is currently in the lower house.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-11-30/live-updates-scott-morrison-censure-secret-ministries/101714536
buffy said:
Thanks for that link JudgeM. So now I can put this in the proper place…the censure motion is currently in the lower house.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-11-30/live-updates-scott-morrison-censure-secret-ministries/101714536
ScoMo probably gone to Hawaii. He’ll be nowhere to be found.
Woodie said:
buffy said:
Thanks for that link JudgeM. So now I can put this in the proper place…the censure motion is currently in the lower house.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-11-30/live-updates-scott-morrison-censure-secret-ministries/101714536
ScoMo probably gone to Hawaii. He’ll be nowhere to be found.
He’s there, telling them he’s not sorry.
Censure motion passed, only Archer crossed the floor.
Bubblecar said:
Woodie said:
buffy said:
Thanks for that link JudgeM. So now I can put this in the proper place…the censure motion is currently in the lower house.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-11-30/live-updates-scott-morrison-censure-secret-ministries/101714536
ScoMo probably gone to Hawaii. He’ll be nowhere to be found.
He’s there, telling them he’s not sorry.
Censure motion passed, only Archer crossed the floor.
Good for her. The only one with courage.
Bubblecar said:
Woodie said:
buffy said:
Thanks for that link JudgeM. So now I can put this in the proper place…the censure motion is currently in the lower house.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-11-30/live-updates-scott-morrison-censure-secret-ministries/101714536
ScoMo probably gone to Hawaii. He’ll be nowhere to be found.
He’s there, telling them he’s not sorry.
Censure motion passed, only Archer crossed the floor.
Probably to get away from the ants
The last MP to be censured in the House was Bruce Billson, 4 years ago.
dv said:
What cockwomble put that out?
sibeen said:
dv said:
What cockwomble put that out?
it seems a bit copycat
party_pants said:
sibeen said:
dv said:
What cockwomble put that out?
it seems a bit copycat
template.
A well-placed friend once told me the former prime minister harbours a palpable sense of predestination, of his history already having been ordained. I don’t know if this is true. I tried to ask Morrison about it once, but he pulled down the shutters, which is how Australia’s former prime minister responded to every question he didn’t care for.
I hope the predestination theory is true – and that belief sustains him. Because in my world (the world of personal agency, human frailty, and most importantly, earthly culpability and personal responsibility) – if I’d failed like Morrison, I’d need to stay in my room for a very long stretch until I’d found the words to convey the depths of my sorrow.
I would feel the weight of my misjudgments like a wound.
But Morrison turned up when the parliament chose to censure him on Wednesday. He made a point of telling us he wasn’t bitter (just in case anyone wondered). But nothing in his demeanour projected regret.
His voice, the familiar inflections and intonation, filled the chamber.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/nov/30/nothing-in-scott-morrisons-demeanour-projected-regret-as-he-was-censured-by-parliament?CMP=share_btn_tw
dv said:
A well-placed friend once told me the former prime minister harbours a palpable sense of predestination, of his history already having been ordained. I don’t know if this is true. I tried to ask Morrison about it once, but he pulled down the shutters, which is how Australia’s former prime minister responded to every question he didn’t care for.
I hope the predestination theory is true – and that belief sustains him. Because in my world (the world of personal agency, human frailty, and most importantly, earthly culpability and personal responsibility) – if I’d failed like Morrison, I’d need to stay in my room for a very long stretch until I’d found the words to convey the depths of my sorrow.
I would feel the weight of my misjudgments like a wound.
But Morrison turned up when the parliament chose to censure him on Wednesday. He made a point of telling us he wasn’t bitter (just in case anyone wondered). But nothing in his demeanour projected regret.
His voice, the familiar inflections and intonation, filled the chamber.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/nov/30/nothing-in-scott-morrisons-demeanour-projected-regret-as-he-was-censured-by-parliament?CMP=share_btn_tw
I remember how my mother would scream and screech at my brother. And he would just stand there. It looked like nothing registered. I would hide in my room because i couldn’t handle it. He’d just go to bed and tomorrow was another day.
Well yes he lied, but it’s OK ‘cos he kept those holy hands of his behind his back, with fingers crossed:
Scott Morrison falsely claimed he lacked powers to help Biloela family
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/nov/30/scott-morrison-falsely-claimed-he-lacked-powers-to-help-biloela-family
Well yes he lied, but it’s OK ‘cos he kept those holy hands of his behind his back, with fingers crossed:
Scott Morrison falsely claimed he lacked powers to help Biloela family
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/nov/30/scott-morrison-falsely-claimed-he-lacked-powers-to-help-biloela-family
Bubblecar said:
Well yes he lied, but it’s OK ‘cos he kept those holy hands of his behind his back, with fingers crossed:Scott Morrison falsely claimed he lacked powers to help Biloela family
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/nov/30/scott-morrison-falsely-claimed-he-lacked-powers-to-help-biloela-family
Seriously though, in many of these Christian sects, as in various other religions, it’s seen as a sacred duty to lie to the unbelievers, so that Satan remains unaware of your true plans.
And “the unbelievers” can include everyone except a small circle of trusted brethren.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
A well-placed friend once told me the former prime minister harbours a palpable sense of predestination, of his history already having been ordained. I don’t know if this is true. I tried to ask Morrison about it once, but he pulled down the shutters, which is how Australia’s former prime minister responded to every question he didn’t care for.
I hope the predestination theory is true – and that belief sustains him. Because in my world (the world of personal agency, human frailty, and most importantly, earthly culpability and personal responsibility) – if I’d failed like Morrison, I’d need to stay in my room for a very long stretch until I’d found the words to convey the depths of my sorrow.
I would feel the weight of my misjudgments like a wound.
But Morrison turned up when the parliament chose to censure him on Wednesday. He made a point of telling us he wasn’t bitter (just in case anyone wondered). But nothing in his demeanour projected regret.
His voice, the familiar inflections and intonation, filled the chamber.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/nov/30/nothing-in-scott-morrisons-demeanour-projected-regret-as-he-was-censured-by-parliament?CMP=share_btn_tw
I remember how my mother would scream and screech at my brother. And he would just stand there. It looked like nothing registered. I would hide in my room because i couldn’t handle it. He’d just go to bed and tomorrow was another day.
Corruption Coalition Discover New Strategy To Maintain Control Of Parliament: Hold The Balance Of Power ¡
Bubblecar said:
Well yes he lied, but it’s OK ‘cos he kept those holy hands of his behind his back, with fingers crossed:Scott Morrison falsely claimed he lacked powers to help Biloela family
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/nov/30/scott-morrison-falsely-claimed-he-lacked-powers-to-help-biloela-family
He’s a sleaze and will never change or even acknowledge that there was any miscalculation at all.
Kev Bonham has jokes
In the seat of Pakenham there has been a wild swing in the result. On Monday Labor were ahead by 8 votes. As of 3 hours ago it’s been a complete turnaround and the Liberals are now ahead by 5 votes.
sibeen said:
In the seat of Pakenham there has been a wild swing in the result. On Monday Labor were ahead by 8 votes. As of 3 hours ago it’s been a complete turnaround and the Liberals are now ahead by 5 votes.
That should be enough.
Peak Warming Man said:
sibeen said:
In the seat of Pakenham there has been a wild swing in the result. On Monday Labor were ahead by 8 votes. As of 3 hours ago it’s been a complete turnaround and the Liberals are now ahead by 5 votes.
That should be enough.
VOTERS SLAM DICTATOR DAN
Honest Government Ad | the Rental Crisis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqFPhsO-2W0
sarahs mum said:
Honest Government Ad | the Rental Crisis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqFPhsO-2W0
So renters getting an agent to represent them is now a thing.
sarahs mum said:
sarahs mum said:
Honest Government Ad | the Rental Crisis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqFPhsO-2W0
So renters getting an agent to represent them is now a thing.
Lack of affordable actual available house rental is fantastic thing
sarahs mum said:
sarahs mum said:
Honest Government Ad | the Rental Crisis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqFPhsO-2W0
So renters getting an agent to represent them is now a thing.
It’s a sad but true video. On this issue (amongst others) Labor are planning to be just as useless as the muppets they replaced.
Luckily I’ve been assured I’ll score another two year lease here when the current one runs out in March.
sarahs mum said:
Honest Government Ad | the Rental Crisis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqFPhsO-2W0
It would be funny if it were not true.
Sibeen, Labor has extended its lead in Pakenham to a nice round number
dv said:
Sibeen, Labor has extended its lead in Pakenham to a nice round number
Almost Infinitesimal
dv said:
Sibeen, Labor has extended its lead in Pakenham to a nice round number
Jaysus. Do you think there may be a recount?
sibeen said:
dv said:
Sibeen, Labor has extended its lead in Pakenham to a nice round number
Jaysus. Do you think there may be a recount?
Nah that’s a clear enough lead
The clinician says the patient, who had poor English, was so confused that they continued with the pregnancy, and began developing an infection. “So finally at the end of 48 hours, I said my sincere advice is to leave without telling anyone, get in your car and drive down to the emergency department at . Because if I called that hospital, they would say ‘Well the treatment is termination, so do it’. And I can understand that, as they’re equally busy and not able to take transfers from places with all the doctors and theatres necessary to provide that care.
https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2022/12/03/inside-the-liberal-partys-existential-crisis
Julia Banks: Liberals pay a high price for their unholy merger with the hard right
https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/politics/australian-politics/2022/12/02/julia-banks-right-wing-liberals/
sarahs mum said:
Julia Banks: Liberals pay a high price for their unholy merger with the hard righthttps://thenewdaily.com.au/news/politics/australian-politics/2022/12/02/julia-banks-right-wing-liberals/
The unholy hard right are very toxic these days.
Tau.Neutrino said:
sarahs mum said:
Julia Banks: Liberals pay a high price for their unholy merger with the hard right
https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/politics/australian-politics/2022/12/02/julia-banks-right-wing-liberals/
The unholy hard right are very toxic these days.
it’s freedom
Tau.Neutrino said:
sarahs mum said:
Julia Banks: Liberals pay a high price for their unholy merger with the hard righthttps://thenewdaily.com.au/news/politics/australian-politics/2022/12/02/julia-banks-right-wing-liberals/
The unholy hard right are very toxic these days.
The holy do gooders are now unholy abusers.
Gives all of them to read the declaration of human rights from the UN.
Religious people need to accept euthanasia, abortion and gender diversity to normalize and modernize their mystic ideology.
“Peter Dutton gives a bottle of fake tan to Deputy Prime Minister Richard Marles for Christmas”
LOL, good one Pete.
SCIENCE said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
sarahs mum said:
Julia Banks: Liberals pay a high price for their unholy merger with the hard right
The unholy hard right are very toxic these days.
it’s freedom
NSW government is facing another pre-selection debacle after the far-right lawyer expected to replace the Transport Minister was dumped in a shock move by the Liberal party.
Libs have raced ahead to a lead of six
dv said:
Libs have raced ahead to a lead of six
In the bag now.
No one really remembers The Sun News-Pictorial much, which is a pity. It wasn’t a bad newspaper in its heyday, when it sold 700,000 copies a morning in a city of 3 million people. Sure, it was right-shifted, but it was also a city newspaper. If a pizza joint was held up in Thomastown or an FJ hit a milk float in Clarinda, the Sun had the story, and maybe even a photo.
But it was also pretty good on something else: industrial coverage, i.e. unions, strikes and negotiations. It had good reporters and it played a pretty straight bat. Why? Because it had no choice. Half its readership was in these unions or knew someone who was. If the coverage of an industrial dispute was just propaganda, the readership would know.
The Sun News-Pictorial died when it was rolled into Rupert’s Herald Sun which, after a brief period as a four-edition city paper, was transformed into the propaganda model that Murdoch’s News Corp was pursuing globally.
How do you spot a News Corp campaign? When a grown-up calls for calm
Read More
Fox News was started in 1996. The Herald Sun became a shameless propaganda rag around 1998. “Is that true or did you read it in the Herald Sun?” a sticker ’round town read. The crowning glory was when it plucked an undistinguished reporter named Andrew Bolt — a failed poet and ex-fiancé of a belly dancer — to write a column in the new right culture-war style that News Corp was importing holus-bolus.
There were about 10, maybe 15, years where the propaganda model of the Herald Sun worked a treat. It was the transitional period when people still believed that a newspaper made an effort to give a truthful account of events. Providing a distorted version, it could thus really shape people’s worldview. But that was subject to the law of diminishing returns as media changed and people came to understand just how manufactured these versions of reality were.
The Hun and other such outlets would cleave back to something resembling truth only when their preferred version of reality was so at odds with the world out there that everyone would have noticed.
Following that rule, it would have played an even hand in the recent Victorian state election, and let whatever happened, happen. As history records, it didn’t.
As a consequence, the Herald Sun died on Saturday night. Absolutely ended. Is over. There’s still a paper coming out every morning but it’s simply a ghost of what was. Matter of fact, it’s been pretty pathetic for some time, devoid of volume and impact. It has the flimsy air of a freesheet, with the TV guide, the horoscopes, death notices, sad classifieds. And Bolt, always Bolt. Having thrown everything at Dan Andrews for months, the Hun didn’t leave a mark on him. Even when it self-parodically found “the steps” that had, and ran them as a front-page feature. Or was that a dream?
Really, that’s the end of it. The content of the paper is vacuous, the sales are small. It sits in the back corner of 7-Elevens, and on café tables, unremarked upon. People riffle through it for the half-dozen stories it actually reports, the two pages of celeb PR releases it faithfully reproduces, and filler wire copy you could get anywhere. They glance at Bolt, but clearly not with any intention of taking him seriously or being influenced by him. Bolt’s kept on cos he’s got a core audience — where he used to have a mass one — and the Hun needs every audience it can get. But Bolt’s readership is now like the Little Chef factory in its heyday: it’s cookers, all cookers, as far as the eye can see.
Could the Hun have salvaged itself by playing down the middle, acknowledging that Labor still had basic community support? Well, not really. News Corp only does that when it has brought Labor leaders to heel, and supported them in turning on the left of the party. In however complex a fashion, Dan is of the left, and went leftwards during the election. For the Hun to have been equivocal would have been to bare its throat to Labor, and admit that its day had passed.
But its day has passed, now. It is pages blowing in the street, talking to itself, the paper ephemera of a vanished world. If those of us of the newspaper era have a certain sadness at the sudden irrelevance of what was once a big 120-page black-and-white groaner, wrapping a whole city, a whole world, then it is tempered by the fact that now, after 20 years, its poison has been milked dry, its fangs shattered.
It’s a good thing the funeral notices still run — the Herald Sun can look itself up in the paper and see if it’s dead.
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/rip-the-hun-born-1998-died-november-26-2022-buried-in-a-danslide/ar-AA14KRSU
JudgeMental said:
No one really remembers The Sun News-Pictorial much, which is a pity. It wasn’t a bad newspaper in its heyday, when it sold 700,000 copies a morning in a city of 3 million people. Sure, it was right-shifted, but it was also a city newspaper. If a pizza joint was held up in Thomastown or an FJ hit a milk float in Clarinda, the Sun had the story, and maybe even a photo.But it was also pretty good on something else: industrial coverage, i.e. unions, strikes and negotiations. It had good reporters and it played a pretty straight bat. Why? Because it had no choice. Half its readership was in these unions or knew someone who was. If the coverage of an industrial dispute was just propaganda, the readership would know.
The Sun News-Pictorial died when it was rolled into Rupert’s Herald Sun which, after a brief period as a four-edition city paper, was transformed into the propaganda model that Murdoch’s News Corp was pursuing globally.
How do you spot a News Corp campaign? When a grown-up calls for calm
Read More
Fox News was started in 1996. The Herald Sun became a shameless propaganda rag around 1998. “Is that true or did you read it in the Herald Sun?” a sticker ’round town read. The crowning glory was when it plucked an undistinguished reporter named Andrew Bolt — a failed poet and ex-fiancé of a belly dancer — to write a column in the new right culture-war style that News Corp was importing holus-bolus.There were about 10, maybe 15, years where the propaganda model of the Herald Sun worked a treat. It was the transitional period when people still believed that a newspaper made an effort to give a truthful account of events. Providing a distorted version, it could thus really shape people’s worldview. But that was subject to the law of diminishing returns as media changed and people came to understand just how manufactured these versions of reality were.
The Hun and other such outlets would cleave back to something resembling truth only when their preferred version of reality was so at odds with the world out there that everyone would have noticed.
Following that rule, it would have played an even hand in the recent Victorian state election, and let whatever happened, happen. As history records, it didn’t.
As a consequence, the Herald Sun died on Saturday night. Absolutely ended. Is over. There’s still a paper coming out every morning but it’s simply a ghost of what was. Matter of fact, it’s been pretty pathetic for some time, devoid of volume and impact. It has the flimsy air of a freesheet, with the TV guide, the horoscopes, death notices, sad classifieds. And Bolt, always Bolt. Having thrown everything at Dan Andrews for months, the Hun didn’t leave a mark on him. Even when it self-parodically found “the steps” that had, and ran them as a front-page feature. Or was that a dream?
Really, that’s the end of it. The content of the paper is vacuous, the sales are small. It sits in the back corner of 7-Elevens, and on café tables, unremarked upon. People riffle through it for the half-dozen stories it actually reports, the two pages of celeb PR releases it faithfully reproduces, and filler wire copy you could get anywhere. They glance at Bolt, but clearly not with any intention of taking him seriously or being influenced by him. Bolt’s kept on cos he’s got a core audience — where he used to have a mass one — and the Hun needs every audience it can get. But Bolt’s readership is now like the Little Chef factory in its heyday: it’s cookers, all cookers, as far as the eye can see.
Could the Hun have salvaged itself by playing down the middle, acknowledging that Labor still had basic community support? Well, not really. News Corp only does that when it has brought Labor leaders to heel, and supported them in turning on the left of the party. In however complex a fashion, Dan is of the left, and went leftwards during the election. For the Hun to have been equivocal would have been to bare its throat to Labor, and admit that its day had passed.
But its day has passed, now. It is pages blowing in the street, talking to itself, the paper ephemera of a vanished world. If those of us of the newspaper era have a certain sadness at the sudden irrelevance of what was once a big 120-page black-and-white groaner, wrapping a whole city, a whole world, then it is tempered by the fact that now, after 20 years, its poison has been milked dry, its fangs shattered.
It’s a good thing the funeral notices still run — the Herald Sun can look itself up in the paper and see if it’s dead.
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/rip-the-hun-born-1998-died-november-26-2022-buried-in-a-danslide/ar-AA14KRSU
fair.
Andrew Bolt — a failed poet and ex-fiancé of a belly dancer
Who also stoops to ad hominems.
sibeen said:
Andrew Bolt — a failed poet and ex-fiancé of a belly dancerWho also stoops to ad hominems.
that’s the good thing about opinion pieces.
JudgeMental said:
sibeen said:
Andrew Bolt — a failed poet and ex-fiancé of a belly dancerWho also stoops to ad hominems.
that’s the good thing about opinion pieces.
Nah, it’s not, it is just shit writing.
Tell everyone what a hack Bolt is, hell, most people already know; but that’s no reason to descend to hackery whilst you’re doing it.
sibeen said:
JudgeMental said:
sibeen said:
Andrew Bolt — a failed poet and ex-fiancé of a belly dancerWho also stoops to ad hominems.
that’s the good thing about opinion pieces.
Nah, it’s not, it is just shit writing.
Tell everyone what a hack Bolt is, hell, most people already know; but that’s no reason to descend to hackery whilst you’re doing it.
doesn’t worry me. I really gloss over bits like that and read the rest. No point getting anal about one line.
JudgeMental said:
sibeen said:
JudgeMental said:that’s the good thing about opinion pieces.
Nah, it’s not, it is just shit writing.
Tell everyone what a hack Bolt is, hell, most people already know; but that’s no reason to descend to hackery whilst you’re doing it.
doesn’t worry me. I really gloss over bits like that and read the rest. No point getting anal about one line.
And here I thought you cared about the written word :)
sibeen said:
JudgeMental said:
sibeen said:Nah, it’s not, it is just shit writing.
Tell everyone what a hack Bolt is, hell, most people already know; but that’s no reason to descend to hackery whilst you’re doing it.
doesn’t worry me. I really gloss over bits like that and read the rest. No point getting anal about one line.
And here I thought you cared about the written word :)
I do but I’m also smart enough when to care a lot and when not to. It is an article that was fun to read.
>ex-fiancé of a belly dancer
She dodged a bullet there.
Bubblecar said:
>ex-fiancé of a belly dancerShe dodged a bullet there.
It was all that training.
Asked how he would approach a hung parliament situation after the next election – a possible scenario given the knife-edge results in 2010, 2016 and 2019 – Dutton said: “My intention is to win a majority”.
“And then if you’re in a minority situation, of course you would negotiate like buggery to pull a government together because a minority Coalition government would be much better for our country than a minority Labor government,” he said, adding that political leaders typically claim before elections they will not negotiate with the crossbench but afterwards, they do.
https://www.watoday.com.au/politics/federal/dutton-concedes-liberal-party-in-an-identity-crisis-willing-to-deal-with-teals-20221202-p5c38m.html
Journalist asking Dutton about a hung parliament…
On recent polling it looks like about 57-43. Obviously it’s a long way off but a fairer question would be “what will you do when the Liberals are practically wiped out in 2025?”
“I’m deeply disappointed by the lack of genuine apology, or more importantly, understanding of the impact of these decisions,” she said.
Ms Archer said she was obligated to support Labor’s motion in the interests of the Liberal Party’s statement of values.
“We believe in the rule of law,” she said.
“Democracy depends upon self-discipline, obedience to the law and the honest administration of the law.”
—-
I wonder why she thinks she can be the change within?
sarahs mum said:
“I’m deeply disappointed by the lack of genuine apology, or more importantly, understanding of the impact of these decisions,” she said.
Ms Archer said she was obligated to support Labor’s motion in the interests of the Liberal Party’s statement of values.
“We believe in the rule of law,” she said.
“Democracy depends upon self-discipline, obedience to the law and the honest administration of the law.”
—-I wonder why she thinks she can be the change within?
She probably can’t, but playing the renegade raises her profile sufficiently to give her a good chance of retaining the seat as an independent, if it comes to that.
Bubblecar said:
She probably can’t, but playing the renegade raises her profile sufficiently to give her a good chance of retaining the seat as an independent, if it comes to that.
That’s what politicians do. Most of the time.
They tell us that they’re dong it for the people.
They tell themselves, and each other, that they’re doing it for the party.
But everyone knows that, in the end, they’re doing it for themselves.
captain_spalding said:
Bubblecar said:She probably can’t, but playing the renegade raises her profile sufficiently to give her a good chance of retaining the seat as an independent, if it comes to that.
That’s what politicians do. Most of the time.
They tell us that they’re dong it for the people.
They tell themselves, and each other, that they’re doing it for the party.
But everyone knows that, in the end, they’re doing it for themselves.
LOL.
JudgeMental said:
captain_spalding said:
Bubblecar said:She probably can’t, but playing the renegade raises her profile sufficiently to give her a good chance of retaining the seat as an independent, if it comes to that.
That’s what politicians do. Most of the time.
They tell us that they’re dong it for the people.
They tell themselves, and each other, that they’re doing it for the party.
But everyone knows that, in the end, they’re doing it for themselves.
LOL.
‘Dong it for the people’, indeed.
captain_spalding said:
Bubblecar said:She probably can’t, but playing the renegade raises her profile sufficiently to give her a good chance of retaining the seat as an independent, if it comes to that.
That’s what politicians do. Most of the time.
They tell us that they’re dong it for the people.
They tell themselves, and each other, that they’re doing it for the party.
But everyone knows that, in the end, they’re doing it for themselves.
It would be nice if all three could align every now and again…
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
“I’m deeply disappointed by the lack of genuine apology, or more importantly, understanding of the impact of these decisions,” she said.
Ms Archer said she was obligated to support Labor’s motion in the interests of the Liberal Party’s statement of values.
“We believe in the rule of law,” she said.
“Democracy depends upon self-discipline, obedience to the law and the honest administration of the law.”
—-I wonder why she thinks she can be the change within?
She probably can’t, but playing the renegade raises her profile sufficiently to give her a good chance of retaining the seat as an independent, if it comes to that.
There was movement of people rying to make her stand as an independent last time round.
dv said:
And you were complaining about California taking forever to count the vote.
sibeen said:
dv said:
And you were complaining about California taking forever to count the vote.
In fairness they still haven’t finished and they’ve had a two week headstart
https://theconversation.com/hilda-finds-working-from-home-boosts-womens-job-satisfaction-more-than-mens-and-that-has-a-downside-195641
https://theconversation.com/the-government-will-not-send-out-yes-and-no-case-pamphlets-ahead-of-the-voice-to-parliament-referendum-does-this-matter-195806
JudgeMental said:
https://theconversation.com/hilda-finds-working-from-home-boosts-womens-job-satisfaction-more-than-mens-and-that-has-a-downside-195641
nice and biased
Unless attitudes change, this downside of working from home is likely to become more apparent for women.
more correct line would be, attitudes need to change, or the negative impacts on people who {{menstruate} or more importantly {care for others at home and perform domestic duties}} will translate into poorer Economic Must Grow outcomes for all
Good-o
dv said:
Good-o
Timeless values ?
dv said:
Good-o
But how would he know what fighting for individual freedom and responsibility is like?
And if he had chosen to do that, why focus on the “progressive left” as the opponents?
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Good-o
But how would he know what fighting for individual freedom and responsibility is like?
And if he had chosen to do that, why focus on the “progressive left” as the opponents?
Delusion
https://thewest.com.au/politics/federal-politics/moore-mp-ian-goodenough-loses-control-of-division-in-massive-internal-power-shift-at-agm-c-9064620
dv said:
Good-o
How can he still have a platform after all he has done in bugging Timor-Leste etc?
A fucking blowout.
sibeen said:
A fucking blowout.
when does it get called?
party_pants said:
sibeen said:
A fucking blowout.
when does it get called?
Never. They’ll just keep adding a few extra votes each way until the end of time.
dude breaking the rules of objective journalism
…
oh wait
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journalistic_interventionism#Interventionism_in_election_campaigns
SCIENCE said:
dude breaking the rules of objective journalism
…
oh wait
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journalistic_interventionism#Interventionism_in_election_campaigns
Except he’s not a journalist, he’s a psephologist. It’s his job to try to explain electoral processes and outcomes.
Dutton’s image gets a renovation rescue!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StclDxn8gRY
sarahs mum said:
Dutton’s image gets a renovation rescue!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StclDxn8gRY
They could at least advise him to experiment with wigs.
It could go either way.
guess it’s good that countries are able to provide accommodation and education (and an occupation) to specific groups of their populace
Federal Resolve poll today has Labor ahead of the Coalition 60-40, Albanese ahead of Dutton as preferred PM 53-19.
dv said:
Federal Resolve poll today has Labor ahead of the Coalition 60-40, Albanese ahead of Dutton as preferred PM 53-19.
So the Dutton rebranding exercise has yet to take effect then :)
According to today’s click bait Jacinda is not doing well in the popularity stakes at the moment. Any idea what she has done to upset her subjects?
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Federal Resolve poll today has Labor ahead of the Coalition 60-40, Albanese ahead of Dutton as preferred PM 53-19.
So the Dutton rebranding exercise has yet to take effect then :)
According to today’s click bait Jacinda is not doing well in the popularity stakes at the moment. Any idea what she has done to upset her subjects?
I think it’s just negativity because of inflation. She’s a couple of years out from an election so hopefully the COL crisis will have abated somewhat by then.
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Federal Resolve poll today has Labor ahead of the Coalition 60-40, Albanese ahead of Dutton as preferred PM 53-19.
So the Dutton rebranding exercise has yet to take effect then :)
According to today’s click bait Jacinda is not doing well in the popularity stakes at the moment. Any idea what she has done to upset her subjects?
I think it’s just negativity because of inflation. She’s a couple of years out from an election so hopefully the COL crisis will have abated somewhat by then.
Clicked on some bait (not the one I saw originally) and this is what it said in relation to her apology to Maori peoples:
“This is why you can absolutely never ever, ever give in to this kind of activism because if you give them an inch, they will take a mile,” Ms Cousens told Sky News host Rowan Dean.”
which was pretty depressing.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:So the Dutton rebranding exercise has yet to take effect then :)
According to today’s click bait Jacinda is not doing well in the popularity stakes at the moment. Any idea what she has done to upset her subjects?
I think it’s just negativity because of inflation. She’s a couple of years out from an election so hopefully the COL crisis will have abated somewhat by then.
Clicked on some bait (not the one I saw originally) and this is what it said in relation to her apology to Maori peoples:
“This is why you can absolutely never ever, ever give in to this kind of activism because if you give them an inch, they will take a mile,” Ms Cousens told Sky News host Rowan Dean.”
which was pretty depressing.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Federal Resolve poll today has Labor ahead of the Coalition 60-40, Albanese ahead of Dutton as preferred PM 53-19.
So the Dutton rebranding exercise has yet to take effect then :)
According to today’s click bait Jacinda is not doing well in the popularity stakes at the moment. Any idea what she has done to upset her subjects?
Nobody believes the rebranding of Dutton.
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Federal Resolve poll today has Labor ahead of the Coalition 60-40, Albanese ahead of Dutton as preferred PM 53-19.
So the Dutton rebranding exercise has yet to take effect then :)
According to today’s click bait Jacinda is not doing well in the popularity stakes at the moment. Any idea what she has done to upset her subjects?
Nobody believes the rebranding of Dutton.
Could be some who believe it but preferred the old one.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Federal Resolve poll today has Labor ahead of the Coalition 60-40, Albanese ahead of Dutton as preferred PM 53-19.
So the Dutton rebranding exercise has yet to take effect then :)
Enhance!
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:So the Dutton rebranding exercise has yet to take effect then :)
According to today’s click bait Jacinda is not doing well in the popularity stakes at the moment. Any idea what she has done to upset her subjects?
Nobody believes the rebranding of Dutton.
Could be some who believe it but preferred the old one.
There exists that possibility.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:So the Dutton rebranding exercise has yet to take effect then :)
According to today’s click bait Jacinda is not doing well in the popularity stakes at the moment. Any idea what she has done to upset her subjects?
I think it’s just negativity because of inflation. She’s a couple of years out from an election so hopefully the COL crisis will have abated somewhat by then.
Clicked on some bait (not the one I saw originally) and this is what it said in relation to her apology to Maori peoples:
“This is why you can absolutely never ever, ever give in to this kind of activism because if you give them an inch, they will take a mile,” Ms Cousens told Sky News host Rowan Dean.”
which was pretty depressing.
Not sure what I did to deserve Rowan Dean content
Kingy said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Federal Resolve poll today has Labor ahead of the Coalition 60-40, Albanese ahead of Dutton as preferred PM 53-19.
So the Dutton rebranding exercise has yet to take effect then :)
Enhance!
Had to look up Nosferatu, but I’d say he was made for the role.
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:I think it’s just negativity because of inflation. She’s a couple of years out from an election so hopefully the COL crisis will have abated somewhat by then.
Clicked on some bait (not the one I saw originally) and this is what it said in relation to her apology to Maori peoples:
“This is why you can absolutely never ever, ever give in to this kind of activism because if you give them an inch, they will take a mile,” Ms Cousens told Sky News host Rowan Dean.”
which was pretty depressing.
Not sure what I did to deserve Rowan Dean content
I was going to apologise, but then I thought, do that and he’ll take a mile.
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Federal Resolve poll today has Labor ahead of the Coalition 60-40, Albanese ahead of Dutton as preferred PM 53-19.
So the Dutton rebranding exercise has yet to take effect then :)
According to today’s click bait Jacinda is not doing well in the popularity stakes at the moment. Any idea what she has done to upset her subjects?
Nobody believes the rebranding of Dutton.
perhaps they should try hot branding.
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Federal Resolve poll today has Labor ahead of the Coalition 60-40, Albanese ahead of Dutton as preferred PM 53-19.
So the Dutton rebranding exercise has yet to take effect then :)
According to today’s click bait Jacinda is not doing well in the popularity stakes at the moment. Any idea what she has done to upset her subjects?
I think it’s just negativity because of inflation. She’s a couple of years out from an election so hopefully the COL crisis will have abated somewhat by then.
when supply shock from disease suddenly reverses like magic
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
So the Dutton rebranding exercise has yet to take effect then :)
According to today’s click bait Jacinda is not doing well in the popularity stakes at the moment. Any idea what she has done to upset her subjects?
I think it’s just negativity because of inflation. She’s a couple of years out from an election so hopefully the COL crisis will have abated somewhat by then.
when supply shock from disease suddenly reverses like magic
oh wait laugh out loud
Australia’s economic growth has come in slightly below expectations, with GDP growing by 0.6 per cent in the September quarter and 5.9 per cent through the year.
dv said:
Federal Resolve poll today has Labor ahead of the Coalition 60-40, Albanese ahead of Dutton as preferred PM 53-19.
If only they could somehow slip Peta Credlin into some form of leadership position.
sibeen said:
dv said:
Federal Resolve poll today has Labor ahead of the Coalition 60-40, Albanese ahead of Dutton as preferred PM 53-19.
If only they could somehow slip Peta Credlin into some form of leadership position.
For scientific purposes I would indeed like to see whether someone could get to single-digits in preferred PM.
sibeen said:
dv said:
Federal Resolve poll today has Labor ahead of the Coalition 60-40, Albanese ahead of Dutton as preferred PM 53-19.
If only they could somehow slip Peta Credlin into some form of leadership position.
If there was any way that it could be done, then i’m sure that the ALP would be behind the idea 100%.
ABC News:
‘Australia set to have a new ‘tough cop on the beat’ to enforce environmental laws and ‘restore confidence’
By national science, technology and environment reporter Michael Slezak
The federal government has committed to a landmark overhaul of Australia’s environment laws in a move Environment Minister Tanya Plibersek says will reverse the decline of Australia’s environment.’
I wonder how well this initiative will stand up to the inevitable lobbying campaign from miners etc.?
Tell sibeen that the crazy race for Pakenham finally ended up landing on Labor
dv said:
Tell sibeen that the crazy race for Pakenham finally ended up landing on Labor
:)
dv said:
Tell sibeen that the crazy race for Pakenham finally ended up landing on Labor
Turned out nice again.
The chief prosecutor in the trial of Bruce Lehrmann complained that police officers engaged in “a very clear campaign to pressure” him not to prosecute the alleged rape of Brittany Higgins, saying there was “inappropriate interference” and he felt investigators “clearly aligned with the successful defence of this matter” during the trial.
In a letter sent to the Australian Capital Territory’s police chief in early November, the director of public prosecutions, Shane Drumgold SC, makes a series of extraordinary allegations about police conduct during the politically charged, high-profile case, which suggest a toxic relationship between elements of the two agencies during the investigation and trial.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/dec/08/bruce-lehrmann-trial-brittany-higgins-dpp-director-public-prosecution-shane-drumgold-act-police
Credit where credit is due: Scott Morrison’s innovation of the National Cabinet has been a lasting benefit and it is part of his legacy that he can be proud of.
——
https://www.9news.com.au/videos/national/plan-to-slash-power-bills-to-top-agenda-of-todays-national-cabinet-meeting/clbffesuc000e0jlsg1ht0jnb
Plan to slash power bills to top agenda of today’s national cabinet meeting
Prime Minister and premiers to discuss ways of cutting household power bills at today’s national cabinet meeting.
dv said:
Credit where credit is due: Scott Morrison’s innovation of the National Cabinet has been a lasting benefit and it is part of his legacy that he can be proud of.——
https://www.9news.com.au/videos/national/plan-to-slash-power-bills-to-top-agenda-of-todays-national-cabinet-meeting/clbffesuc000e0jlsg1ht0jnbPlan to slash power bills to top agenda of today’s national cabinet meeting
Prime Minister and premiers to discuss ways of cutting household power bills at today’s national cabinet meeting.
Scomo doesn’t believe in legacies so sucks to be you!
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
Credit where credit is due: Scott Morrison’s innovation of the National Cabinet has been a lasting benefit and it is part of his legacy that he can be proud of.——
https://www.9news.com.au/videos/national/plan-to-slash-power-bills-to-top-agenda-of-todays-national-cabinet-meeting/clbffesuc000e0jlsg1ht0jnbPlan to slash power bills to top agenda of today’s national cabinet meeting
Prime Minister and premiers to discuss ways of cutting household power bills at today’s national cabinet meeting.Scomo doesn’t believe in legacies so sucks to be you!
I may be mis-remembering here, but I thought the national cabinet was there before COVID, although perhaps under a different name?
buffy said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
Credit where credit is due: Scott Morrison’s innovation of the National Cabinet has been a lasting benefit and it is part of his legacy that he can be proud of.——
https://www.9news.com.au/videos/national/plan-to-slash-power-bills-to-top-agenda-of-todays-national-cabinet-meeting/clbffesuc000e0jlsg1ht0jnbPlan to slash power bills to top agenda of today’s national cabinet meeting
Prime Minister and premiers to discuss ways of cutting household power bills at today’s national cabinet meeting.Scomo doesn’t believe in legacies so sucks to be you!
I may be mis-remembering here, but I thought the national cabinet was there before COVID, although perhaps under a different name?
Yep, it was COAG before and got rebadged by ScoMo for COVID.
buffy said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
Credit where credit is due: Scott Morrison’s innovation of the National Cabinet has been a lasting benefit and it is part of his legacy that he can be proud of.——
https://www.9news.com.au/videos/national/plan-to-slash-power-bills-to-top-agenda-of-todays-national-cabinet-meeting/clbffesuc000e0jlsg1ht0jnbPlan to slash power bills to top agenda of today’s national cabinet meeting
Prime Minister and premiers to discuss ways of cutting household power bills at today’s national cabinet meeting.Scomo doesn’t believe in legacies so sucks to be you!
I may be mis-remembering here, but I thought the national cabinet was there before COVID, although perhaps under a different name?
https://government.unimelb.edu.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0011/3443258/GDC-Policy-Brief-2_National-Cabinet_final01.07.2020.pdf
buffy said:
buffy said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Scomo doesn’t believe in legacies so sucks to be you!
I may be mis-remembering here, but I thought the national cabinet was there before COVID, although perhaps under a different name?
Yep, it was COAG before and got rebadged by ScoMo for COVID.
Looks like that.
buffy said:
buffy said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Scomo doesn’t believe in legacies so sucks to be you!
I may be mis-remembering here, but I thought the national cabinet was there before COVID, although perhaps under a different name?
Yep, it was COAG before and got rebadged by ScoMo for COVID.
But was half-yearly thing over a week compared to fortnighty/monthly across the year.
roughbarked said:
buffy said:
buffy said:I may be mis-remembering here, but I thought the national cabinet was there before COVID, although perhaps under a different name?
Yep, it was COAG before and got rebadged by ScoMo for COVID.
Looks like that.
It is the successor to COAG but differs in that it contains Cabinet level secrecy and meets much more frequently.
Downside is that it excludes local government.
There had been suggestions for the National Cabinet to continue on a permanent basis after the pandemic is over, effectively replacing COAG. On 14 April 2020, Prime Minister Morrison was reported saying, “The processes we’ve established for the National Cabinet may prove to be a better way for our federal system to work in the future, but this will be a matter for another time”, and Western Australian Premier Mark McGowan said no other state leaders had objected when he had brought up the idea of continuing the National Cabinet. He also told The Australian newspaper, “The National Cabinet process has removed the political boundaries that can hamper COAG”.Former Labor Premier of South Australia, Jay Weatherill called it a “fantastic innovation should continue”, adding that it had “achieved more in the last few months than many COAGs have achieved over many years”.
On 29 May 2020, the Prime Minister announced that the National Cabinet would replace COAG (with COAG being abolished) and meetings after the pandemic would be held monthly, instead of the biannual meetings of COAG. According to Simon Benson of The Australian newspaper, an analogy used to describe the significance of this was “as if the United Nations had been turned into a government”.
buffy said:
buffy said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Scomo doesn’t believe in legacies so sucks to be you!
I may be mis-remembering here, but I thought the national cabinet was there before COVID, although perhaps under a different name?
Yep, it was COAG before and got rebadged by ScoMo for COVID.
National Cabinet was established by Scomo to deal with covid not to replace COAG.
It met once a week during the pandemic while COAG met once a year.
It was so successful that all parties decided to use it as a replacement for COAG.
It meets more regularly than COAG did I think.
dv said:
roughbarked said:
buffy said:Looks like that.
It is the successor to COAG but differs in that it contains Cabinet level secrecy and meets much more frequently.
Downside is that it excludes local government.
There had been suggestions for the National Cabinet to continue on a permanent basis after the pandemic is over, effectively replacing COAG. On 14 April 2020, Prime Minister Morrison was reported saying, “The processes we’ve established for the National Cabinet may prove to be a better way for our federal system to work in the future, but this will be a matter for another time”, and Western Australian Premier Mark McGowan said no other state leaders had objected when he had brought up the idea of continuing the National Cabinet. He also told The Australian newspaper, “The National Cabinet process has removed the political boundaries that can hamper COAG”.Former Labor Premier of South Australia, Jay Weatherill called it a “fantastic innovation should continue”, adding that it had “achieved more in the last few months than many COAGs have achieved over many years”.
On 29 May 2020, the Prime Minister announced that the National Cabinet would replace COAG (with COAG being abolished) and meetings after the pandemic would be held monthly, instead of the biannual meetings of COAG. According to Simon Benson of The Australian newspaper, an analogy used to describe the significance of this was “as if the United Nations had been turned into a government”.
So the main difference is how often the states meet with the Feds. It’s evolution in action.
Prime Minister Anthony Albanese said parliament would be recalled next week to pass legislation that would help impose a temporary cap on gas at $12 a gigajoule, and states would move to cap coal at $125 per tonne.
The Commonwealth will also fund up to $1.5 billion in energy bill relief to be paid out through the states to households and businesses, which Mr Albanese said would act as a deflationary measure.
The support will be available for people on Commonwealth support payments, such as pensioners and Jobseeker recipients, but will be delivered differently in each state and territory because of their different systems.
That relief is expected to begin from the second quarter of next year.
“Extraordinary times call for extraordinary measures,” Mr Albanese said.
roughbarked said:
Prime Minister Anthony Albanese said parliament would be recalled next week to pass legislation that would help impose a temporary cap on gas at $12 a gigajoule, and states would move to cap coal at $125 per tonne.The Commonwealth will also fund up to $1.5 billion in energy bill relief to be paid out through the states to households and businesses, which Mr Albanese said would act as a deflationary measure.
The support will be available for people on Commonwealth support payments, such as pensioners and Jobseeker recipients, but will be delivered differently in each state and territory because of their different systems.
That relief is expected to begin from the second quarter of next year.
“Extraordinary times call for extraordinary measures,” Mr Albanese said.
I wonder how much will eventually trickle through to the consumer, and how much will get siphoned off through various dodges by state governments and businesses?
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
Prime Minister Anthony Albanese said parliament would be recalled next week to pass legislation that would help impose a temporary cap on gas at $12 a gigajoule, and states would move to cap coal at $125 per tonne.The Commonwealth will also fund up to $1.5 billion in energy bill relief to be paid out through the states to households and businesses, which Mr Albanese said would act as a deflationary measure.
The support will be available for people on Commonwealth support payments, such as pensioners and Jobseeker recipients, but will be delivered differently in each state and territory because of their different systems.
That relief is expected to begin from the second quarter of next year.
“Extraordinary times call for extraordinary measures,” Mr Albanese said.
I wonder how much will eventually trickle through to the consumer, and how much will get siphoned off through various dodges by state governments and businesses?
The proof will likely be in the portions of pudding we actually see.
dv said:
The chief prosecutor in the trial of Bruce Lehrmann complained that police officers engaged in “a very clear campaign to pressure” him not to prosecute the alleged rape of Brittany Higgins, saying there was “inappropriate interference” and he felt investigators “clearly aligned with the successful defence of this matter” during the trial.In a letter sent to the Australian Capital Territory’s police chief in early November, the director of public prosecutions, Shane Drumgold SC, makes a series of extraordinary allegations about police conduct during the politically charged, high-profile case, which suggest a toxic relationship between elements of the two agencies during the investigation and trial.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/dec/08/bruce-lehrmann-trial-brittany-higgins-dpp-director-public-prosecution-shane-drumgold-act-police
Some of the police involved went off on stress leave…
Shit eh. Bass has been called for the ALP.
So the final numbers are as follows (change from previous parliament shown in parentheses).
ALP 56 (+1)
Liberal 19 (-2)
National 9 (+3)
Green 4 (+1)
Independents 0 (-3)
So one could say that the net effect is that the disappearance of the 3 independents benefited each of ALP/Greens/Coalition by 1: basically a “push” result with no significant change. OTOH the Liberals did go backwards and the Nationals significantly forwards and there are open discussions now among senior Nats about breaking up the Coalition at the state level (as has occurred for instance in Western Australia already).
According to Kev Bonham, this is the “first case of a federally dragged incumbent state govt increasing its seat share from the previous election since Court WA 1996 and first such case for a non-first-term state govt since Hamer Vic 1976.”
In the interests of neutrality and balance I shall also provide the view of a conservative intellectual.
somewhere
It was a textbook meeting between two leaders — it covered problem areas, it covered trade opportunities and it was respectful and cordial.
“I have no reason to believe the election overall was not a free and fair election,” he said.
oh no now they’re blaming Corruption for banking genius
This is what went down.
In the few days immediately after the re-election of Scott Morrison’s Coalition government in May 2019, the bank regulator — Australian Prudential Regulation Authority (APRA)— revealed its plan to ditch an interest rate floor on mortgage serviceability tests.
More on serviceability tests, the floor and the mysterious beast that is APRA later.
Who knew? The price of better government is higher taxes
Ross Gittins
Communist
sorry they probably meant columnist
so what’s impactful projection by another name
Hellyer said stealth bombers like the B-21 aligned with Marles’ vision, articulated in several recent speeches, to reshape the Australian Defence Force (ADF) around a doctrine of “impactful projection”.
“offensive capability” did they mean, “first strike capability” perhaps
the Australian offense force
SCIENCE said:
so what’s impactful projection by another name
Hellyer said stealth bombers like the B-21 aligned with Marles’ vision, articulated in several recent speeches, to reshape the Australian Defence Force (ADF) around a doctrine of “impactful projection”.
“offensive capability” did they mean, “first strike capability” perhaps
the Australian offense force
It is all expensive posturing.
ChrispenEvan said:
this is a small and very acceptable price to pay for The Economy Must Grow on a Religious Occasion, it’s
An 11-year-old boy was taken to Royal North Shore Hospital, before being transferred to the Children’s Hospital at Westmead for treatment of burns and a chest injury. An eight-year-old girl was taken to Northern Beaches Hospital with a burned wrist and has since been released. A 12-year-old boy was taken to hospital by his parents for treatment to minor burns and has since been released.
necessary and inevitable, unlike the unacceptable murder and genocide of good freedom children in the name of
SCIENCE
Waldocop Time ¡
Ambushes in particular have a lasting mental impact on police, according to University of Griffith criminology and criminal justice senior lecturer Jacqueline Drew.
“Every incident that an officer faces, they have to acknowledge that it is a dangerous circumstance — but quite often they have a warning,” she said.
“The scariest and most confronting aspect of ambushes is … no predictions, any red flags.”
Dr Drew said the rarity of ambushes also added to the psychological impact.
She compared Australian officers to their counterparts in the United States, where police were ambushed 79 times in the past year.
“, you’re turning up to a routine job, and there’s a possibility it could be an ambush,” Dr Drew said.
“That will now definitely play on the minds of our officers for the next weeks and months — and their families.”
Out of the 15 police deaths in the past five years across Australia, 10 have occurred since early 2020.
“There’s a chance that society is becoming more violent and individuals in our community may be more inclined to use force than previously against police,” Dr Drew said.
“A trend, if we were to see it, particularly around ambushes of our police, would be very disturbing.
“It would certainly have a significant impact on how officers see their roles as they police the community every day.”
The Vic Legislative Council results will be announced shortly.
