Date: 13/11/2022 12:40:29
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1955529
Subject: New measures to control solar being sold to the grid

https://onestepoffthegrid.com.au/industry-slams-antiquated-brutal-rooftop-solar-switch-off-plan-for-sunshine-state/

Scanning through the article, the idea is to use a ripple frequency controller to shut off power from people’s solar system. If you have a battery system tough luck, you can’t charge your batteries or run anything else.

The knock on effect will be as the controller switches off solar power at your house, all the things at your house using solar power will now have to draw power from the grid so you might have widespread black outs.

The QLD power authority has decided to act unilaterally and its happening ( lucky there’s no government to stop them). I’m getting more batteries and will replace my gas hot water with heat pumps.

At the moment it will only be new installations or existing systems that are being upgraded so it shouldn’t affect me.

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Date: 13/11/2022 12:58:14
From: sibeen
ID: 1955538
Subject: re: New measures to control solar being sold to the grid

Switching control using Zellwegger tones has been around since mid last century but just because a technology is old doesn’t make it useless. A coded sequence of tones, about 1 kHz, is sent down the line and a relay at the other end interprets what action to take. Used in shedloads of electric water systems to take advantage of off-peak electricity. How that is going to add $300 to $1000 to a system cost seems a bit of cough bullshit cough to me.

Also, the new rules only applies to systems above 10 kW which will exclude the vast majority of suburban homes.

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Date: 13/11/2022 13:00:46
From: transition
ID: 1955540
Subject: re: New measures to control solar being sold to the grid

wookiemeister said:


https://onestepoffthegrid.com.au/industry-slams-antiquated-brutal-rooftop-solar-switch-off-plan-for-sunshine-state/

Scanning through the article, the idea is to use a ripple frequency controller to shut off power from people’s solar system. If you have a battery system tough luck, you can’t charge your batteries or run anything else.

The knock on effect will be as the controller switches off solar power at your house, all the things at your house using solar power will now have to draw power from the grid so you might have widespread black outs.

The QLD power authority has decided to act unilaterally and its happening ( lucky there’s no government to stop them). I’m getting more batteries and will replace my gas hot water with heat pumps.

At the moment it will only be new installations or existing systems that are being upgraded so it shouldn’t affect me.

read that, I guess this is in response to high solar output messing with the usual line sag (dynamic regulation) that’s compensated for at substations I suppose, and the load for generators gets so small that it messes with what generator capacity you need online to maintain reliable supply (and efficiency related)

I mean if solar output goes up to supply nearly 100% of loads (for example) then the generator voltage minus the usual line voltage sag (loading) is going to be pushing up the line voltage

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Date: 13/11/2022 13:03:20
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1955543
Subject: re: New measures to control solar being sold to the grid

sibeen said:


Switching control using Zellwegger tones has been around since mid last century but just because a technology is old doesn’t make it useless. A coded sequence of tones, about 1 kHz, is sent down the line and a relay at the other end interprets what action to take. Used in shedloads of electric water systems to take advantage of off-peak electricity. How that is going to add $300 to $1000 to a system cost seems a bit of cough bullshit cough to me.

Also, the new rules only applies to systems above 10 kW which will exclude the vast majority of suburban homes.


Baby steps

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Date: 13/11/2022 13:05:25
From: sibeen
ID: 1955544
Subject: re: New measures to control solar being sold to the grid

transition said:


wookiemeister said:

https://onestepoffthegrid.com.au/industry-slams-antiquated-brutal-rooftop-solar-switch-off-plan-for-sunshine-state/

Scanning through the article, the idea is to use a ripple frequency controller to shut off power from people’s solar system. If you have a battery system tough luck, you can’t charge your batteries or run anything else.

The knock on effect will be as the controller switches off solar power at your house, all the things at your house using solar power will now have to draw power from the grid so you might have widespread black outs.

The QLD power authority has decided to act unilaterally and its happening ( lucky there’s no government to stop them). I’m getting more batteries and will replace my gas hot water with heat pumps.

At the moment it will only be new installations or existing systems that are being upgraded so it shouldn’t affect me.

read that, I guess this is in response to high solar output messing with the usual line sag (dynamic regulation) that’s compensated for at substations I suppose, and the load for generators gets so small that it messes with what generator capacity you need online to maintain reliable supply (and efficiency related)

I mean if solar output goes up to supply nearly 100% of loads (for example) then the generator voltage minus the usual line voltage sag (loading) is going to be pushing up the line voltage

The major issue is grid stability. With the old sources of power generation came the added benefit of lots of inertia with large rotating masses. The grid jumping around with load changes was dampened by this large inertia. You don’t get that with solar inverters. if they become a large proportion of the supplied energy then step changes in load may cause a catastrophic cascading failure.

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Date: 13/11/2022 13:11:43
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1955549
Subject: re: New measures to control solar being sold to the grid

wookiemeister said:


sibeen said:

Switching control using Zellwegger tones has been around since mid last century but just because a technology is old doesn’t make it useless. A coded sequence of tones, about 1 kHz, is sent down the line and a relay at the other end interprets what action to take. Used in shedloads of electric water systems to take advantage of off-peak electricity. How that is going to add $300 to $1000 to a system cost seems a bit of cough bullshit cough to me.

Also, the new rules only applies to systems above 10 kW which will exclude the vast majority of suburban homes.


Baby steps


I grabbed a ripple frequency and made a little demonstration unit whilst an apprentice.

One controller

Two light bulbs

The first bulb came on at 11pm, the second at 11.30pm

I’d sat the controller isn’t that cheap AND it takes time to install it.

A good way to control solar output is to encourage people to install large hot water systems, the solar systems of Australia are used to heat water

You use the EXISTING ripple frequency controller to heat water when solar power is dumping power to the grid.

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Date: 13/11/2022 13:14:19
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1955553
Subject: re: New measures to control solar being sold to the grid

By encouraging people to heat water the cost of load balancing is shifted to the customer, you use existing controllers to control power usage. You encourage everyone to buy LARGE hot water tanks. When solar output is too great you start switching on power to the hot water system.

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Date: 13/11/2022 13:15:25
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1955554
Subject: re: New measures to control solar being sold to the grid

should have gone thorium

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Date: 13/11/2022 13:17:34
From: transition
ID: 1955557
Subject: re: New measures to control solar being sold to the grid

sibeen said:


transition said:

wookiemeister said:

https://onestepoffthegrid.com.au/industry-slams-antiquated-brutal-rooftop-solar-switch-off-plan-for-sunshine-state/

Scanning through the article, the idea is to use a ripple frequency controller to shut off power from people’s solar system. If you have a battery system tough luck, you can’t charge your batteries or run anything else.

The knock on effect will be as the controller switches off solar power at your house, all the things at your house using solar power will now have to draw power from the grid so you might have widespread black outs.

The QLD power authority has decided to act unilaterally and its happening ( lucky there’s no government to stop them). I’m getting more batteries and will replace my gas hot water with heat pumps.

At the moment it will only be new installations or existing systems that are being upgraded so it shouldn’t affect me.

read that, I guess this is in response to high solar output messing with the usual line sag (dynamic regulation) that’s compensated for at substations I suppose, and the load for generators gets so small that it messes with what generator capacity you need online to maintain reliable supply (and efficiency related)

I mean if solar output goes up to supply nearly 100% of loads (for example) then the generator voltage minus the usual line voltage sag (loading) is going to be pushing up the line voltage

The major issue is grid stability. With the old sources of power generation came the added benefit of lots of inertia with large rotating masses. The grid jumping around with load changes was dampened by this large inertia. You don’t get that with solar inverters. if they become a large proportion of the supplied energy then step changes in load may cause a catastrophic cascading failure.

so some that be related frequency compliance also I guess

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Date: 13/11/2022 13:19:11
From: transition
ID: 1955561
Subject: re: New measures to control solar being sold to the grid

transition said:


sibeen said:

transition said:

read that, I guess this is in response to high solar output messing with the usual line sag (dynamic regulation) that’s compensated for at substations I suppose, and the load for generators gets so small that it messes with what generator capacity you need online to maintain reliable supply (and efficiency related)

I mean if solar output goes up to supply nearly 100% of loads (for example) then the generator voltage minus the usual line voltage sag (loading) is going to be pushing up the line voltage

The major issue is grid stability. With the old sources of power generation came the added benefit of lots of inertia with large rotating masses. The grid jumping around with load changes was dampened by this large inertia. You don’t get that with solar inverters. if they become a large proportion of the supplied energy then step changes in load may cause a catastrophic cascading failure.

so some that be related frequency compliance also I guess

or tweaking phase relationship

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Date: 13/11/2022 13:19:44
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1955563
Subject: re: New measures to control solar being sold to the grid

You control a large LOAD to control the power grid.

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Date: 13/11/2022 13:22:30
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1955564
Subject: re: New measures to control solar being sold to the grid

transition said:


transition said:

sibeen said:

The major issue is grid stability. With the old sources of power generation came the added benefit of lots of inertia with large rotating masses. The grid jumping around with load changes was dampened by this large inertia. You don’t get that with solar inverters. if they become a large proportion of the supplied energy then step changes in load may cause a catastrophic cascading failure.

so some that be related frequency compliance also I guess

or tweaking phase relationship


That’s hard

The only way of creating a truly balanced load is to have black box that’s connected to all three phases ie you run 3 phase to the house and a black box provides power to the house maybe AFTER the service fuse.

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Date: 13/11/2022 13:26:20
From: sibeen
ID: 1955566
Subject: re: New measures to control solar being sold to the grid

wookiemeister said:


transition said:

transition said:

so some that be related frequency compliance also I guess

or tweaking phase relationship


That’s hard

The only way of creating a truly balanced load is to have black box that’s connected to all three phases ie you run 3 phase to the house and a black box provides power to the house maybe AFTER the service fuse.

Tweaking the phase relationship is exactly how every inverter operates to feed power to the grid, so not that difficult at all.

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Date: 13/11/2022 13:29:00
From: transition
ID: 1955567
Subject: re: New measures to control solar being sold to the grid

wookiemeister said:


transition said:

transition said:

so some that be related frequency compliance also I guess

or tweaking phase relationship


That’s hard

The only way of creating a truly balanced load is to have black box that’s connected to all three phases ie you run 3 phase to the house and a black box provides power to the house maybe AFTER the service fuse.

I meant the locking or synchronization between the power station and the inverter systems on the grid

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Date: 13/11/2022 13:30:33
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1955568
Subject: re: New measures to control solar being sold to the grid

Years ago as an apprentice they foolishly allowed me to sit in on a meeting talking about a new idea that was in its advanced stages of being implemented ( within months). The idea was the power authority would turn up and VISUALLY inspect the residence and give it the OK that everything was OK.

After listening to everything I pointed out that electrical installations can’t be tested “visually” and if someone’s house burnt down a week later after being given this bill of health the power authority would be sued / current affair.

There was a silence – I never heard of it again.

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Date: 13/11/2022 13:33:13
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1955571
Subject: re: New measures to control solar being sold to the grid

sibeen said:


wookiemeister said:

transition said:

or tweaking phase relationship


That’s hard

The only way of creating a truly balanced load is to have black box that’s connected to all three phases ie you run 3 phase to the house and a black box provides power to the house maybe AFTER the service fuse.

Tweaking the phase relationship is exactly how every inverter operates to feed power to the grid, so not that difficult at all.


No idea

I figured that there would be existing technology though

Maybe that’s the answer

Change the nature of the load

Make a load that has the capacity to increase or decrease at will and balance the load on the phases. This expense would need to be at the customer side

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Date: 13/11/2022 13:34:16
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1955573
Subject: re: New measures to control solar being sold to the grid

transition said:


wookiemeister said:

transition said:

or tweaking phase relationship


That’s hard

The only way of creating a truly balanced load is to have black box that’s connected to all three phases ie you run 3 phase to the house and a black box provides power to the house maybe AFTER the service fuse.

I meant the locking or synchronization between the power station and the inverter systems on the grid


Existing solar inverters already do this. They synch with the existing frequency

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Date: 13/11/2022 13:35:20
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 1955574
Subject: re: New measures to control solar being sold to the grid

sibeen said:


wookiemeister said:

transition said:

or tweaking phase relationship


That’s hard

The only way of creating a truly balanced load is to have black box that’s connected to all three phases ie you run 3 phase to the house and a black box provides power to the house maybe AFTER the service fuse.

Tweaking the phase relationship is exactly how every inverter operates to feed power to the grid, so not that difficult at all.

As much as I hate to admit it I’m glad you are here to put the correct information down.

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Date: 13/11/2022 13:37:53
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1955575
Subject: re: New measures to control solar being sold to the grid

Realistically this can only be done with NEW estates

By all means go back to all the older suburbs but it will be a draining experience

All new estates have the phase / load balancing equipment installed from new , in a new house.

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Date: 13/11/2022 13:38:00
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 1955576
Subject: re: New measures to control solar being sold to the grid

wookiemeister said:


Years ago as an apprentice they foolishly allowed me to sit in on a meeting talking about a new idea that was in its advanced stages of being implemented ( within months). The idea was the power authority would turn up and VISUALLY inspect the residence and give it the OK that everything was OK.

After listening to everything I pointed out that electrical installations can’t be tested “visually” and if someone’s house burnt down a week later after being given this bill of health the power authority would be sued / current affair.

There was a silence – I never heard of it again.

I’ll take things that never happened please.

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Date: 13/11/2022 13:39:00
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1955578
Subject: re: New measures to control solar being sold to the grid

Its like the FO NBN system

Should only have been in NEW estates

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Date: 13/11/2022 13:39:23
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1955579
Subject: re: New measures to control solar being sold to the grid

Bogsnorkler said:


wookiemeister said:

Years ago as an apprentice they foolishly allowed me to sit in on a meeting talking about a new idea that was in its advanced stages of being implemented ( within months). The idea was the power authority would turn up and VISUALLY inspect the residence and give it the OK that everything was OK.

After listening to everything I pointed out that electrical installations can’t be tested “visually” and if someone’s house burnt down a week later after being given this bill of health the power authority would be sued / current affair.

There was a silence – I never heard of it again.

I’ll take things that never happened please.


Just my first hand experience

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Date: 13/11/2022 13:41:07
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 1955581
Subject: re: New measures to control solar being sold to the grid

wookiemeister said:


Bogsnorkler said:

wookiemeister said:

Years ago as an apprentice they foolishly allowed me to sit in on a meeting talking about a new idea that was in its advanced stages of being implemented ( within months). The idea was the power authority would turn up and VISUALLY inspect the residence and give it the OK that everything was OK.

After listening to everything I pointed out that electrical installations can’t be tested “visually” and if someone’s house burnt down a week later after being given this bill of health the power authority would be sued / current affair.

There was a silence – I never heard of it again.

I’ll take things that never happened please.


Just my first hand experience

bullshit.

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Date: 13/11/2022 13:45:37
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1955583
Subject: re: New measures to control solar being sold to the grid

Bogsnorkler said:


wookiemeister said:

Bogsnorkler said:

I’ll take things that never happened please.


Just my first hand experience

bullshit.


It really happened I’m afraid

At the same place I had one expert telling me the earthing system was never the metallic water pipes and refused to believe me until it was gently explained otherwise by another tech

( before we used earth electrodes the existing water pipes – the incoming pipe was OK to use as an earth electrode. After we started using electrodes, the water pipe was still connected but technically was part of equipotential bonding rather than the main official connection to earth)

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Date: 13/11/2022 13:45:51
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1955584
Subject: re: New measures to control solar being sold to the grid

Bogsnorkler said:


sibeen said:

wookiemeister said:

That’s hard

The only way of creating a truly balanced load is to have black box that’s connected to all three phases ie you run 3 phase to the house and a black box provides power to the house maybe AFTER the service fuse.

Tweaking the phase relationship is exactly how every inverter operates to feed power to the grid, so not that difficult at all.

As much as I hate to admit it I’m glad you are here to put the correct information down.

He’s a necessary evil.

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Date: 13/11/2022 13:47:10
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 1955585
Subject: re: New measures to control solar being sold to the grid

Witty Rejoinder said:


Bogsnorkler said:

sibeen said:

Tweaking the phase relationship is exactly how every inverter operates to feed power to the grid, so not that difficult at all.

As much as I hate to admit it I’m glad you are here to put the correct information down.

He’s a necessary evil.

he keeps the universe in balance.

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Date: 13/11/2022 13:47:15
From: roughbarked
ID: 1955586
Subject: re: New measures to control solar being sold to the grid

Witty Rejoinder said:


Bogsnorkler said:

sibeen said:

Tweaking the phase relationship is exactly how every inverter operates to feed power to the grid, so not that difficult at all.

As much as I hate to admit it I’m glad you are here to put the correct information down.

He’s a necessary evil.

So why is the poor man said to be evil?

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Date: 13/11/2022 13:50:19
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 1955589
Subject: re: New measures to control solar being sold to the grid

roughbarked said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Bogsnorkler said:

As much as I hate to admit it I’m glad you are here to put the correct information down.

He’s a necessary evil.

So why is the poor man said to be evil?

dunno. he was evil when I got here.

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Date: 13/11/2022 13:50:27
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1955590
Subject: re: New measures to control solar being sold to the grid

I’ll be installing a heat pump system at some point so a significant proportion of my solar output will be used to heat water.

With the gas heater gone the house energy requirements at least will be close carbon neutral

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Date: 13/11/2022 13:51:25
From: roughbarked
ID: 1955591
Subject: re: New measures to control solar being sold to the grid

Bogsnorkler said:


roughbarked said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

He’s a necessary evil.

So why is the poor man said to be evil?

dunno. he was evil when I got here.

Of course, you could spell evil backwards.

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Date: 13/11/2022 17:04:56
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1955647
Subject: re: New measures to control solar being sold to the grid

wookiemeister said:


https://onestepoffthegrid.com.au/industry-slams-antiquated-brutal-rooftop-solar-switch-off-plan-for-sunshine-state/

Scanning through the article, the idea is to use a ripple frequency controller to shut off power from people’s solar system. If you have a battery system tough luck, you can’t charge your batteries or run anything else.

The knock on effect will be as the controller switches off solar power at your house, all the things at your house using solar power will now have to draw power from the grid so you might have widespread black outs.

The QLD power authority has decided to act unilaterally and its happening ( lucky there’s no government to stop them). I’m getting more batteries and will replace my gas hot water with heat pumps.

At the moment it will only be new installations or existing systems that are being upgraded so it shouldn’t affect me.

I’m still waiting for the next deadly hailstorm.

A hailstorm in Sydney in 1976 did $40 million in insured damage, which was a world record at the time. In 1986 it had a hail damage bill of $161 million. In 1991 it was $670 million. In 1999 it was $1.7 billion in damage with hailstones up to 9 cm in diameter.

A deadly hailstorm is not only overdue in Sydney, it’s overdue in most other capital cities as well.

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Date: 13/11/2022 17:07:36
From: roughbarked
ID: 1955649
Subject: re: New measures to control solar being sold to the grid

mollwollfumble said:


wookiemeister said:

https://onestepoffthegrid.com.au/industry-slams-antiquated-brutal-rooftop-solar-switch-off-plan-for-sunshine-state/

Scanning through the article, the idea is to use a ripple frequency controller to shut off power from people’s solar system. If you have a battery system tough luck, you can’t charge your batteries or run anything else.

The knock on effect will be as the controller switches off solar power at your house, all the things at your house using solar power will now have to draw power from the grid so you might have widespread black outs.

The QLD power authority has decided to act unilaterally and its happening ( lucky there’s no government to stop them). I’m getting more batteries and will replace my gas hot water with heat pumps.

At the moment it will only be new installations or existing systems that are being upgraded so it shouldn’t affect me.

I’m still waiting for the next deadly hailstorm.

A hailstorm in Sydney in 1976 did $40 million in insured damage, which was a world record at the time. In 1986 it had a hail damage bill of $161 million. In 1991 it was $670 million. In 1999 it was $1.7 billion in damage with hailstones up to 9 cm in diameter.

A deadly hailstorm is not only overdue in Sydney, it’s overdue in most other capital cities as well.

Apart from Brisbane, you mean?

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Date: 13/11/2022 17:13:11
From: diddly-squat
ID: 1955656
Subject: re: New measures to control solar being sold to the grid

mollwollfumble said:


wookiemeister said:

https://onestepoffthegrid.com.au/industry-slams-antiquated-brutal-rooftop-solar-switch-off-plan-for-sunshine-state/

Scanning through the article, the idea is to use a ripple frequency controller to shut off power from people’s solar system. If you have a battery system tough luck, you can’t charge your batteries or run anything else.

The knock on effect will be as the controller switches off solar power at your house, all the things at your house using solar power will now have to draw power from the grid so you might have widespread black outs.

The QLD power authority has decided to act unilaterally and its happening ( lucky there’s no government to stop them). I’m getting more batteries and will replace my gas hot water with heat pumps.

At the moment it will only be new installations or existing systems that are being upgraded so it shouldn’t affect me.

I’m still waiting for the next deadly hailstorm.

A hailstorm in Sydney in 1976 did $40 million in insured damage, which was a world record at the time. In 1986 it had a hail damage bill of $161 million. In 1991 it was $670 million. In 1999 it was $1.7 billion in damage with hailstones up to 9 cm in diameter.

A deadly hailstorm is not only overdue in Sydney, it’s overdue in most other capital cities as well.

I think that’s what they call the Gambler’s Fallacy

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Date: 13/11/2022 17:16:02
From: roughbarked
ID: 1955658
Subject: re: New measures to control solar being sold to the grid

diddly-squat said:


mollwollfumble said:

wookiemeister said:

https://onestepoffthegrid.com.au/industry-slams-antiquated-brutal-rooftop-solar-switch-off-plan-for-sunshine-state/

Scanning through the article, the idea is to use a ripple frequency controller to shut off power from people’s solar system. If you have a battery system tough luck, you can’t charge your batteries or run anything else.

The knock on effect will be as the controller switches off solar power at your house, all the things at your house using solar power will now have to draw power from the grid so you might have widespread black outs.

The QLD power authority has decided to act unilaterally and its happening ( lucky there’s no government to stop them). I’m getting more batteries and will replace my gas hot water with heat pumps.

At the moment it will only be new installations or existing systems that are being upgraded so it shouldn’t affect me.

I’m still waiting for the next deadly hailstorm.

A hailstorm in Sydney in 1976 did $40 million in insured damage, which was a world record at the time. In 1986 it had a hail damage bill of $161 million. In 1991 it was $670 million. In 1999 it was $1.7 billion in damage with hailstones up to 9 cm in diameter.

A deadly hailstorm is not only overdue in Sydney, it’s overdue in most other capital cities as well.

I think that’s what they call the Gambler’s Fallacy

I heard a comment yesterday that a one in a hundred year storm is one one or two in five.

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Date: 13/11/2022 17:18:15
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1955661
Subject: re: New measures to control solar being sold to the grid

roughbarked said:


mollwollfumble said:

wookiemeister said:

https://onestepoffthegrid.com.au/industry-slams-antiquated-brutal-rooftop-solar-switch-off-plan-for-sunshine-state/

Scanning through the article, the idea is to use a ripple frequency controller to shut off power from people’s solar system. If you have a battery system tough luck, you can’t charge your batteries or run anything else.

The knock on effect will be as the controller switches off solar power at your house, all the things at your house using solar power will now have to draw power from the grid so you might have widespread black outs.

The QLD power authority has decided to act unilaterally and its happening ( lucky there’s no government to stop them). I’m getting more batteries and will replace my gas hot water with heat pumps.

At the moment it will only be new installations or existing systems that are being upgraded so it shouldn’t affect me.

I’m still waiting for the next deadly hailstorm.

A hailstorm in Sydney in 1976 did $40 million in insured damage, which was a world record at the time. In 1986 it had a hail damage bill of $161 million. In 1991 it was $670 million. In 1999 it was $1.7 billion in damage with hailstones up to 9 cm in diameter.

A deadly hailstorm is not only overdue in Sydney, it’s overdue in most other capital cities as well.

Apart from Brisbane, you mean?


Not unless you know something I don’t.

Brisbane deadly hailstorm in 1990 and we expect one there every 10 years or so.

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Date: 13/11/2022 17:22:47
From: roughbarked
ID: 1955666
Subject: re: New measures to control solar being sold to the grid

mollwollfumble said:


roughbarked said:

mollwollfumble said:

I’m still waiting for the next deadly hailstorm.

A hailstorm in Sydney in 1976 did $40 million in insured damage, which was a world record at the time. In 1986 it had a hail damage bill of $161 million. In 1991 it was $670 million. In 1999 it was $1.7 billion in damage with hailstones up to 9 cm in diameter.

A deadly hailstorm is not only overdue in Sydney, it’s overdue in most other capital cities as well.

Apart from Brisbane, you mean?


Not unless you know something I don’t.

Brisbane deadly hailstorm in 1990 and we expect one there every 10 years or so.

I’m reasonably sure that Brisbane gets them more regularly than that.

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Date: 13/11/2022 20:28:11
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1955728
Subject: re: New measures to control solar being sold to the grid

https://futurism.com/the-byte/tesla-reportedly-canceling-solar-roof-installations-across-the-country

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Date: 13/11/2022 20:30:12
From: roughbarked
ID: 1955730
Subject: re: New measures to control solar being sold to the grid

wookiemeister said:


https://futurism.com/the-byte/tesla-reportedly-canceling-solar-roof-installations-across-the-country

Money sucked in by the vortex of dodoistic visualisations of the twitter bird?

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Date: 13/11/2022 20:32:20
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1955733
Subject: re: New measures to control solar being sold to the grid

mollwollfumble said:


wookiemeister said:

https://onestepoffthegrid.com.au/industry-slams-antiquated-brutal-rooftop-solar-switch-off-plan-for-sunshine-state/

Scanning through the article, the idea is to use a ripple frequency controller to shut off power from people’s solar system. If you have a battery system tough luck, you can’t charge your batteries or run anything else.

The knock on effect will be as the controller switches off solar power at your house, all the things at your house using solar power will now have to draw power from the grid so you might have widespread black outs.

The QLD power authority has decided to act unilaterally and its happening ( lucky there’s no government to stop them). I’m getting more batteries and will replace my gas hot water with heat pumps.

At the moment it will only be new installations or existing systems that are being upgraded so it shouldn’t affect me.

I’m still waiting for the next deadly hailstorm.

A hailstorm in Sydney in 1976 did $40 million in insured damage, which was a world record at the time. In 1986 it had a hail damage bill of $161 million. In 1991 it was $670 million. In 1999 it was $1.7 billion in damage with hailstones up to 9 cm in diameter.

A deadly hailstorm is not only overdue in Sydney, it’s overdue in most other capital cities as well.


I was there in randwick for the 1999 hailstorm. Storms often charge off the ocean into cooee and up into randwick.

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Date: 13/11/2022 20:33:01
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1955734
Subject: re: New measures to control solar being sold to the grid

roughbarked said:


wookiemeister said:

https://futurism.com/the-byte/tesla-reportedly-canceling-solar-roof-installations-across-the-country

Money sucked in by the vortex of dodoistic visualisations of the twitter bird?


Dunno

My guesses : it didn’t work

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Date: 13/11/2022 20:37:31
From: roughbarked
ID: 1955736
Subject: re: New measures to control solar being sold to the grid

wookiemeister said:


mollwollfumble said:

wookiemeister said:

https://onestepoffthegrid.com.au/industry-slams-antiquated-brutal-rooftop-solar-switch-off-plan-for-sunshine-state/

Scanning through the article, the idea is to use a ripple frequency controller to shut off power from people’s solar system. If you have a battery system tough luck, you can’t charge your batteries or run anything else.

The knock on effect will be as the controller switches off solar power at your house, all the things at your house using solar power will now have to draw power from the grid so you might have widespread black outs.

The QLD power authority has decided to act unilaterally and its happening ( lucky there’s no government to stop them). I’m getting more batteries and will replace my gas hot water with heat pumps.

At the moment it will only be new installations or existing systems that are being upgraded so it shouldn’t affect me.

I’m still waiting for the next deadly hailstorm.

A hailstorm in Sydney in 1976 did $40 million in insured damage, which was a world record at the time. In 1986 it had a hail damage bill of $161 million. In 1991 it was $670 million. In 1999 it was $1.7 billion in damage with hailstones up to 9 cm in diameter.

A deadly hailstorm is not only overdue in Sydney, it’s overdue in most other capital cities as well.


I was there in randwick for the 1999 hailstorm. Storms often charge off the ocean into cooee and up into randwick.

Who cares where they co? I was amused when a slaggard payer of a boss turned up on my doorstep to actually pay me when his first comment was, I see you’ve had a hailstorm.
Well farken’ell hailstones this big are rarer than when your great grandparents ever paid anybody.

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Date: 13/11/2022 20:38:30
From: roughbarked
ID: 1955737
Subject: re: New measures to control solar being sold to the grid

wookiemeister said:


roughbarked said:

wookiemeister said:

https://futurism.com/the-byte/tesla-reportedly-canceling-solar-roof-installations-across-the-country

Money sucked in by the vortex of dodoistic visualisations of the twitter bird?


Dunno

My guesses : it didn’t work


Fark. the man admits guesses!

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Date: 13/11/2022 20:43:37
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1955740
Subject: re: New measures to control solar being sold to the grid

roughbarked said:


wookiemeister said:

roughbarked said:

Money sucked in by the vortex of dodoistic visualisations of the twitter bird?


Dunno

My guesses : it didn’t work


Fark. the man admits guesses!


Maybe it’s a resources thing, profitability not enough ?

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Date: 13/11/2022 20:46:53
From: roughbarked
ID: 1955743
Subject: re: New measures to control solar being sold to the grid

wookiemeister said:


roughbarked said:

wookiemeister said:

Dunno

My guesses : it didn’t work


Fark. the man admits guesses!


Maybe it’s a resources thing, profitability not enough ?


It has never bothered you before.

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Date: 15/11/2022 22:44:42
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1956509
Subject: re: New measures to control solar being sold to the grid

Turns out this isn’t new

For rooftop solar households in the state, this means that all new or upgraded solar systems (with inverter capacity 5kW and below) installed on the state’s main grid, the South West Interconnected System, will be required to have the capability to be remotely switched off, and back on again, starting from Monday

https://reneweconomy.com.au/wa-switches-on-rooftop-solar-switch-off-rules-sparks-call-for-faster-grid-reform/

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