Date: 14/11/2022 13:57:41
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1955954
Subject: Maths teaching question

Which years of high school (or first year university) would the following topics be taught, (or picked up outside school)?
Approximately, for a child interested in mathematics.
Are there any that you’ve never been taught


By “seen dy/dx” I don’t mean taught how to use it, I just mean have seen it in print somewhere.

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Date: 14/11/2022 14:04:06
From: diddly-squat
ID: 1955957
Subject: re: Maths teaching question

the first three are all early high school..

the rest are all senior mathematics concepts (so years 11 and 12)

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Date: 14/11/2022 14:04:50
From: diddly-squat
ID: 1955958
Subject: re: Maths teaching question

strike that… there is some exposure to exponential numbers in middle school

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Date: 14/11/2022 14:05:50
From: dv
ID: 1955959
Subject: re: Maths teaching question

mollwollfumble said:


Which years of high school (or first year university) would the following topics be taught, (or picked up outside school)?
Approximately, for a child interested in mathematics.
Are there any that you’ve never been taught


By “seen dy/dx” I don’t mean taught how to use it, I just mean have seen it in print somewhere.

A set: year 9.

Sequence and series: year 11

Order of magnitude: 1st year uni

Complex numbers: year 12

Ordinal numbers: year 9

exp(x): year 11

know what a perspective drawing looks like: perhaps never, depending on what your stream is

differential calculus: year 11

reals v natural: year 12

function f(x): year 11

Abs(x): year 9

Taylor: 1st year uni

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Date: 14/11/2022 14:05:59
From: sibeen
ID: 1955960
Subject: re: Maths teaching question

diddly-squat said:

strike that… there is some exposure to exponential numbers in middle school

And functions and absolute values, I would have thought.

And maybe the taylor series wasn’t until first year calc.

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Date: 14/11/2022 14:10:07
From: diddly-squat
ID: 1955963
Subject: re: Maths teaching question

sibeen said:


diddly-squat said:

strike that… there is some exposure to exponential numbers in middle school

And functions and absolute values, I would have thought.

And maybe the taylor series wasn’t until first year calc.

series are introduced conceptually very early on… my daughter has had questions on series in her maths classes in year 8.. nothing on divergent or convergent series but what a series is…

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Date: 14/11/2022 14:20:15
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1955966
Subject: re: Maths teaching question

Brilliant, thanks for the fast reply.

Taylor series definitely Uni then. (I knew it by year 12 but I wasn’t your normal maths student)
The others throughout high school and some quite early.
Perspective drawing probably picked up in art class or on TV.
I hadn’t been sure that ordinal numbers or sets were taught at all, so thanks for that info on how early.

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Date: 14/11/2022 14:22:31
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1955967
Subject: re: Maths teaching question

I don’t think they deach perspective drawing much anymore in schools, it’s vanishing.

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Date: 14/11/2022 14:33:23
From: dv
ID: 1955969
Subject: re: Maths teaching question

Peak Warming Man said:


I don’t think they deach perspective drawing much anymore in schools, it’s vanishing.

heh

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Date: 14/11/2022 14:50:34
From: Dark Orange
ID: 1955974
Subject: re: Maths teaching question

Peak Warming Man said:


I don’t think they deach perspective drawing much anymore in schools, it’s vanishing.

Was there a point you were wanting to get to?

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Date: 14/11/2022 14:59:27
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1955975
Subject: re: Maths teaching question

mollwollfumble said:


Brilliant, thanks for the fast reply.

Taylor series definitely Uni then. (I knew it by year 12 but I wasn’t your normal maths student)
The others throughout high school and some quite early.
Perspective drawing probably picked up in art class or on TV.
I hadn’t been sure that ordinal numbers or sets were taught at all, so thanks for that info on how early.

I probably did Taylor series in year 11 or 12, but UK high school final years are much more specialised than here.

Also had to look it up to remind myself what it was.

Perspective drawing would have been in art class, probably year 6 or 7.

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Date: 14/11/2022 15:12:27
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1955977
Subject: re: Maths teaching question

Dark Orange said:


Peak Warming Man said:

I don’t think they deach perspective drawing much anymore in schools, it’s vanishing.

Was there a point you were wanting to get to?

That is all the preliminary mathematics necessary in order to get a basic idea the eighteen or so different systems of infinite numbers that have been developed in the history of mankind. I had been wondering if I was asking too much of readers to expect them to have learnt all those by the end of high school.

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Date: 14/11/2022 15:40:03
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 1955985
Subject: re: Maths teaching question

I finished high school in 1982 and we never tackled calculus, but after going to uni more recently it was established that it certainly was part of the curriculum.

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Date: 14/11/2022 15:44:13
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 1955986
Subject: re: Maths teaching question

Spiny Norman said:


I finished high school in 1982 and we never tackled calculus, but after going to uni more recently it was established that it certainly was part of the curriculum.

I’ll just finish my sentence -
… it’s been part of the curriculum for several years at least now.

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Date: 14/11/2022 16:02:39
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1955991
Subject: re: Maths teaching question

mollwollfumble said:

Which years of high school (or first year university) would the following topics be taught, (or picked up outside school)?
Approximately, for a child interested in mathematics.
Are there any that you’ve never been taught


By “seen dy/dx” I don’t mean taught how to use it, I just mean have seen it in print somewhere.

8
7
9
10
4
7
5
8
8
8
9
11

in a standard K,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12 school system

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Date: 14/11/2022 16:06:39
From: diddly-squat
ID: 1955994
Subject: re: Maths teaching question

mollwollfumble said:


Dark Orange said:

Peak Warming Man said:

I don’t think they deach perspective drawing much anymore in schools, it’s vanishing.

Was there a point you were wanting to get to?

That is all the preliminary mathematics necessary in order to get a basic idea the eighteen or so different systems of infinite numbers that have been developed in the history of mankind. I had been wondering if I was asking too much of readers to expect them to have learnt all those by the end of high school.

lol

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Date: 14/11/2022 18:14:37
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1956017
Subject: re: Maths teaching question

Thanks for all responses.

As a side note.
On entering maths at Uni it was assumed that I had learnt e^ix = cos(x)+i sin(x) in High school.
I hadn’t, and had a bit of catching up to do.

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