Time for a new thread …

Roll on summer!

Merry Xmas everyone!

Bubblecar said:

Merry Xmas everyone!

No, no, no, not yet. Can we at least have a fortnight of celebrating summer before we get into listening to a single xmas carol.?

I do realise that I live in false hope, but I can dream.

sibeen said:

Bubblecar said:

Merry Xmas everyone!

No, no, no, not yet. Can we at least have a fortnight of celebrating summer before we get into listening to a single xmas carol.?

I do realise that I live in false hope, but I can dream.

What summer? when is spring?

sarahs mum said:

sibeen said:

Bubblecar said:

Merry Xmas everyone!

No, no, no, not yet. Can we at least have a fortnight of celebrating summer before we get into listening to a single xmas carol.?

I do realise that I live in false hope, but I can dream.

What summer? when is spring?

I’m using a date marker rather than a gradual upward trend in temperature as my guide in this particular case :)

Advocacy Tasmania
16 h ·
Mark’s NDIS David & Goliath story – the “unwinnable” case
Mark is a person living with disability in Tasmania on a disability support pension. He has had to fight some battles over the years to get the proper support for his needs. He has learnt when to self-advocate and when to ask for help.
As Mark learned more about his rights, he found it increasingly difficult to navigate the systems supposed to support people with disability. Mark was incensed about the difficulties his peers faced.
Mark has applied and been rejected by the NDIA (National Disability Insurance Agency) at least four times since the introduction of the NDIS (National Disability Insurance Scheme).
In 2019 he made another application with supporting documentation, including various medical specialist reports.
With continued rejection from the NDIS, Mark had nearly given up. After observing unfairness, Mark sought help from Advocacy Tasmania to determine his options.
One of the options put to Mark by Brad, his Advocate on this issue, was to provide further specialist information to the NDIS to support his application, and Mark decided this was his next step.
The beginning of the pandemic was not a great time to be trying to get specialist appointments in Tasmania. However, Brad and Mark managed to get an appointment with specialists to provide another report to the NDIA.
Shortly after providing further reports in early 2020, and during a 14-day COVID lockdown in a hotel room, the NDIA called Mark to tell him they still needed additional information before they would assess his application.
They did not tell him that he had 28 days to provide it, and having not received any information in this timeframe, rejected his application.
At Mark’s direction, Brad then contacted them and explained the situation resulting in an extension to provide additional information.
With the support of his Advocate, Mark was able to provide some additional information in the form of reports.
Mark said he felt “the system is designed to make you give up”, and as he was not in a financial position to provide even more information from private specialists, he told the NDIA to assess the application based on the extensive supporting information already provided.
Having heard nothing by October of that year, Mark asked his Advocate to call for an update.
They told him that they had no record of having received any additional information, and yet by that afternoon Mark was sent a rejection letter anyway.
Mark asked his Advocate to request a review of the decision, and a rapid NDIS internal review was conducted within a week which confirmed the rejection.
Having gotten this far and spent so much time waiting, Mark was determined to see this through and decided to appeal to the Administrative Appeals Tribunal. With the support of both Advocacy Tasmania and a community legal representative, Mark set about organising his evidence.
As his case was so protracted, and was pretty complex by this stage, costs were adding up on both sides. Mark now required further costly specialist appointments and reports, and the NDIA hired external consultant lawyers.
After some months, the community legal representative could no longer support Mark, citing resourcing issues but internally telling colleagues that his case was “unwinnable”.
Disappointed but not giving up, Mark persisted – he was learning a lot and knew this knowledge would be helpful in the future. Within his social and community circles, more and more people started sharing their stories of mistreatment within the system, and he felt less and less alone.
Having lost his legal support, and unable to afford a private lawyer, his friends and family advised him to withdraw his appeal and start a new application.
But Mark says he had an “overwhelming feeling that something needed doing about the systemic issues. I just kept thinking about potential participants with different disorders, like what if you were non-verbal autistic? How are you supposed to speak out? And what about people that can’t write or type? This realisation motivated me more than anything to continue.”
And, with Brad’s support, Mark felt he had the energy and support to keep going. Mark said that Brad “just knew that I could do it. Brad made me believe in myself and assured me he would stand by me – he said that if I don’t give up, he won’t.”
Mark meticulously amassed the evidence, each document referenced in a detailed timeline, and this helped keep his thoughts straight.
Mark wrote his statement of facts, issues and contentions as required by the Administrative Appeals Tribunal at this stage. It came together quickly, given the structure he had developed. He was able to express his opinions on personal and systemic issues while being careful not to say anything libellous, and this process developed his belief in his ability to write and self-advocate.
Then, the NDIA had 6 weeks to respond to Mark’s statement to the Administrative Appeals Tribunal.
On the day the NDIA’s response was due, they conceded, meaning Mark won his “unwinnable” case.
Where he might have felt elated, Mark just felt exhausted. He said, “the application and appeals process consumed my life. It affected me mentally and physically. I don’t know what I would have done without Brad’s support. I was grateful for his unwavering empathy and respect for my perspective and knowledge – he boosted my self-confidence.”
Mark’s top 5 pieces of advice to anyone experiencing similar frustrations with the NDIA are:
1. Document everything! Make sure everything is clearly labelled and referenced, including dates.
2. Keep telling your story over and over, and get support from wherever it is available – think family, friends, services, politicians, and online communities.
3. Realise your story is not just about you!
4. Don’t think you must be quiet – it won’t do you any favours.
5. Let your frustration help you keep going, and dare to fight with any ability you have.
If you need some support to keep going, some help to win a battle or want to know your options, give us a call or send us a text, a message or an email.
Advocacy Tasmania

http://dazvoz.com/Holiday-Forum-List-04R.html

Good morning Holidayers. Warm here this morning – 9 degrees instead of 7. Lightly overcast and still, as usual. We are forecast 20 degrees with a low chance of showers.

More weeding, and I haven’t maared for a few days. The front yard needs doing again, I haven’t done that for nearly 2 weeks. There was a rain interlude that interfered.

AussieDJ said:

Time for a new thread …

Roll on summer!

But will it be the summer of love?

sarahs mum said:

sibeen said:

Bubblecar said:

Merry Xmas everyone!

No, no, no, not yet. Can we at least have a fortnight of celebrating summer before we get into listening to a single xmas carol.?

I do realise that I live in false hope, but I can dream.

What summer? when is spring?

According to the local (for here) Brambuk calendar November December are Early Summer, when the weather stabilizes, and there is heat and dry days. Our wettest months are usually June/July/August, but this year it didn’t properly rain until October. However, we’ve been in semi drought (under average rainfall) for some years, so this is a drought break (probably), which means the heat won’t come until January (my own personal observation of the two drought breaks I’ve lived through here). It will be interesting to see if the previous pattern of several years of cooler, later hot months eventuates.

buffy said:

sarahs mum said:

sibeen said:

No, no, no, not yet. Can we at least have a fortnight of celebrating summer before we get into listening to a single xmas carol.?

I do realise that I live in false hope, but I can dream.

What summer? when is spring?

According to the local (for here) Brambuk calendar November December are Early Summer, when the weather stabilizes, and there is heat and dry days. Our wettest months are usually June/July/August, but this year it didn’t properly rain until October. However, we’ve been in semi drought (under average rainfall) for some years, so this is a drought break (probably), which means the heat won’t come until January (my own personal observation of the two drought breaks I’ve lived through here). It will be interesting to see if the previous pattern of several years of cooler, later hot months eventuates.

Local knowledge.

Morning punters and correctors.
It’s cold and raining, a lot.

Peak Warming Man said:

Morning punters and correctors.
It’s cold and raining, a lot.

Clear as a bell here sunny and bright. Helicopters still in the sky. There must be a lot of people still in floods nearby.

18˚C at present, expected to reach 30 later.

Ballyrogan bore has been inundated by floodwater. May not matter to many but it does affect the drinking water for about 36,000.

Why this mammal eats its own brain — and why it could matter for you
Unlocking the shrew’s secret to shrinking its own cognitive tissue in winter – only to regrow it in spring – may help doctors treat neurodegenerative diseases in humans

By Dino Grandoni
Updated November 30, 2022 at 8:54 a.m. EST|Published November 30, 2022 at 6:30 a.m. EST

The shrew scampered across the sand, zipping its tiny, velvety body right, left, right, left.

In just a few seconds it found the prize concealed in the sandbox: a tasty mixture of earthworms, mealworms and other meat.

To quickly solve the puzzle in Dina Dechmann’s lab, the shrew didn’t just need to learn where its meal was hidden. Something else astounding happened in its head. It had to regrow its own brain.

“It’s a crazy animal,” said Dechmann, a behavioral ecologist at the Max Planck Institute of Animal Behavior in Germany. “We can learn a lot from the shrews.”

To prepare for the depths of winter when food is scarce, many animals slow down, sleep through the cold or migrate to warmer locales.

Not the common shrew. To survive the colder months, the animal eats away at its own brain, reducing the organ by as much as a fourth, only to regrow much of brain matter in the spring.

The process of shrinking and expanding the brain and other organs with seasons — dubbed Dehnel’s phenomenon — allows animals to reduce calorie-consuming tissue when temperatures drop. Researchers have discovered seasonal shrinkage in the skulls of other small, high-metabolism mammals, including weasels and, most recently, moles.

The shrew’s incredible shrinking brain is more than just a biological curiosity. Understanding how these animals are able to restore their brain power may help doctors treat Alzheimer’s, multiple sclerosis and other neurodegenerative diseases in humans.

“In the beginning, I couldn’t quite grasp it,” said John Dirk Nieland, an associate professor of health science and technology who is now researching drugs designed to mimic shrews’ brain-altering chemistry in humans.

“It’s really amazing the way they react and the way they respond,” he added.

A shrew that can’t be tamed
For decades, few scientists grasped the implications of August Dehnel’s 1949 discovery.

Born in Warsaw, Dehnel spent his early career studying bird eggs before the Nazi invasion of Poland interrupted his work on Europe’s beavers and other mammals.

The young zoologist served in the Polish army, though he remained devoted to his academic work during the war. Captured by the Germans, he gave biology lectures at a prisoner-of-war camp.

Back in the lab after the war, he noticed the skulls of shrews collected from the Białowieza Forest at the border of Poland and Belarus contracted and expanded with the seasons.

The high-metabolism mammal pursues insects, spiders, slugs and worms seemingly nonstop to survive. Ranging from the Scottish highlands to the Siberian tundra, it squeaks at pitches beyond human hearing, listening for reverberations to navigate underground.

Unlike deer or bears, shrews are too tiny to migrate and too hyper to hibernate when winter arrives. They live fast and die young, with an average life span of a little more than a year. “Their metabolism isn’t set up for slowing down like that,” Dechmann said.

That makes the jittery creatures awfully challenging to study in captivity.

The common shrew is one of the few mammals with a venomous bite, and it emits a nasty odor potentially to deter cats and other predators. To acclimate the shrews to the seasons, the team keeps its cages outdoors.

Dehnel himself struggled to cage and breed shrews, though he ultimately succeeded. And their metabolism is so high that Dechmann and her colleagues find it difficult to sedate them for scans.

“We cannot get them to sleep,” she said. “It seems almost like a knockout state is not built in because they can’t afford to become unconscious because they’ll simply starve.”

“They’re little bastards,” she added.

Bigger isn’t always better
Shrews’ unorthodox strategy of reducing their brain power may help them save on energy during the winter, but it comes at a cost.

In a series of experiments involving finding food in a sandbox, larger-brained shrews in the summer outperformed their smaller-brained counterparts in the winter, Dechmann’s team found.

“It’s a compromise,” she said. “You make your brain smaller, you save energy, but you become — I don’t want to say stupid, but you become less good at solving certain learning tasks.”

But it’s what happens next that’s remarkable: In the spring, their brains grow back, and their ability to solve lab puzzles appears to return, too. The team is now testing the shrew’s ability to navigate a labyrinth made of LEGO pieces.

“The beauty of the shrew is that, yes, they shrink the brain, but what we see also is that in the spring, they can start growing the brain,” said Nieland, who also co-founded a biotech company named 2N Pharma.

The notion that, for some animals, a smaller brain is a better one is a difficult idea for many people to accept, Dechmann said. She and colleagues received hate mail after publishing a study showing some bats evolved smaller brains to fly faster. Their paper was titled “Bigger is not always better.”

“People at the time did not want to believe that the brain would get smaller,” she said. “We have a large brain and that means we’re more intelligent.”

Figuring out how exactly shrews pull this off is the next step. Dechmann and Nieland — together with Liliana M. Dávalos, an evolutionary biologist at Stony Brook University in New York — received a grant from the French nonprofit Human Frontier Science Program to fund their shrew research.

For one, the shrew’s brain doesn’t regrow uniformly. The hippocampus expands back to normal, for instance, while the neocortex does not. Both of those parts of the brain help with memory.

And it’s the lipid-rich white matter strewn throughout the brain that appears to be disappearing, suggesting the tiny mammal’s body may be consuming portions of its own brain to make it through the winter.

The deterioration of white matter, which helps relay information in the brain, is a symptom of multiple sclerosis and other neurodegenerative illnesses.

Researchers are now searching for the proteins or other triggers responsible for the shrinkage and regrowth in the shrews’ noggins. “We are far from applied results,” Dechmann cautioned, though Nieland’s company is working on one drug right now.

If those chemicals are found, Nieland said, “we could maybe use these pathways also to treat brain diseases.”

For Dávalos, finding such an amazing ability in an animal right under European gardeners’ noses is remarkable in and of itself. The discovery suggests there is so much more to find in rainforests in the Amazon, Congo and elsewhere.

“How many centuries have people been studying the European fauna?” she said. “And how many thousands and thousands of scientists have been looking and they hadn’t seen this?”

“Think about all the amazing things that are out there hidden because we have never looked.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2022/11/30/shrews-shrink-regrow-own-brains/?

Witty Rejoinder said:

..snip..

“How many centuries have people been studying the European fauna?” she said. “And how many thousands and thousands of scientists have been looking and they hadn’t seen this?”

“Think about all the amazing things that are out there hidden because we have never looked.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2022/11/30/shrews-shrink-regrow-own-brains/?

This is what has always astounded me. We assume it is not there because we haven’t yet seen it.

Peak Warming Man said:

Morning punters and correctors.
It’s cold and raining, a lot.

I had the wipers on all the way.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Why this mammal eats its own brain — and why it could matter for you
Unlocking the shrew’s secret to shrinking its own cognitive tissue in winter – only to regrow it in spring – may help doctors treat neurodegenerative diseases in humans

By Dino Grandoni
Updated November 30, 2022 at 8:54 a.m. EST|Published November 30, 2022 at 6:30 a.m. EST

The shrew scampered across the sand, zipping its tiny, velvety body right, left, right, left.

In just a few seconds it found the prize concealed in the sandbox: a tasty mixture of earthworms, mealworms and other meat.

To quickly solve the puzzle in Dina Dechmann’s lab, the shrew didn’t just need to learn where its meal was hidden. Something else astounding happened in its head. It had to regrow its own brain.

“It’s a crazy animal,” said Dechmann, a behavioral ecologist at the Max Planck Institute of Animal Behavior in Germany. “We can learn a lot from the shrews.”

To prepare for the depths of winter when food is scarce, many animals slow down, sleep through the cold or migrate to warmer locales.

Not the common shrew. To survive the colder months, the animal eats away at its own brain, reducing the organ by as much as a fourth, only to regrow much of brain matter in the spring.

The process of shrinking and expanding the brain and other organs with seasons — dubbed Dehnel’s phenomenon — allows animals to reduce calorie-consuming tissue when temperatures drop. Researchers have discovered seasonal shrinkage in the skulls of other small, high-metabolism mammals, including weasels and, most recently, moles.

The shrew’s incredible shrinking brain is more than just a biological curiosity. Understanding how these animals are able to restore their brain power may help doctors treat Alzheimer’s, multiple sclerosis and other neurodegenerative diseases in humans.

“In the beginning, I couldn’t quite grasp it,” said John Dirk Nieland, an associate professor of health science and technology who is now researching drugs designed to mimic shrews’ brain-altering chemistry in humans.

“It’s really amazing the way they react and the way they respond,” he added.

A shrew that can’t be tamed
For decades, few scientists grasped the implications of August Dehnel’s 1949 discovery.

Born in Warsaw, Dehnel spent his early career studying bird eggs before the Nazi invasion of Poland interrupted his work on Europe’s beavers and other mammals.

The young zoologist served in the Polish army, though he remained devoted to his academic work during the war. Captured by the Germans, he gave biology lectures at a prisoner-of-war camp.

Back in the lab after the war, he noticed the skulls of shrews collected from the Białowieza Forest at the border of Poland and Belarus contracted and expanded with the seasons.

The high-metabolism mammal pursues insects, spiders, slugs and worms seemingly nonstop to survive. Ranging from the Scottish highlands to the Siberian tundra, it squeaks at pitches beyond human hearing, listening for reverberations to navigate underground.

Unlike deer or bears, shrews are too tiny to migrate and too hyper to hibernate when winter arrives. They live fast and die young, with an average life span of a little more than a year. “Their metabolism isn’t set up for slowing down like that,” Dechmann said.

That makes the jittery creatures awfully challenging to study in captivity.

The common shrew is one of the few mammals with a venomous bite, and it emits a nasty odor potentially to deter cats and other predators. To acclimate the shrews to the seasons, the team keeps its cages outdoors.

Dehnel himself struggled to cage and breed shrews, though he ultimately succeeded. And their metabolism is so high that Dechmann and her colleagues find it difficult to sedate them for scans.

“We cannot get them to sleep,” she said. “It seems almost like a knockout state is not built in because they can’t afford to become unconscious because they’ll simply starve.”

“They’re little bastards,” she added.

Bigger isn’t always better
Shrews’ unorthodox strategy of reducing their brain power may help them save on energy during the winter, but it comes at a cost.

In a series of experiments involving finding food in a sandbox, larger-brained shrews in the summer outperformed their smaller-brained counterparts in the winter, Dechmann’s team found.

“It’s a compromise,” she said. “You make your brain smaller, you save energy, but you become — I don’t want to say stupid, but you become less good at solving certain learning tasks.”

But it’s what happens next that’s remarkable: In the spring, their brains grow back, and their ability to solve lab puzzles appears to return, too. The team is now testing the shrew’s ability to navigate a labyrinth made of LEGO pieces.

“The beauty of the shrew is that, yes, they shrink the brain, but what we see also is that in the spring, they can start growing the brain,” said Nieland, who also co-founded a biotech company named 2N Pharma.

The notion that, for some animals, a smaller brain is a better one is a difficult idea for many people to accept, Dechmann said. She and colleagues received hate mail after publishing a study showing some bats evolved smaller brains to fly faster. Their paper was titled “Bigger is not always better.”

“People at the time did not want to believe that the brain would get smaller,” she said. “We have a large brain and that means we’re more intelligent.”

Figuring out how exactly shrews pull this off is the next step. Dechmann and Nieland — together with Liliana M. Dávalos, an evolutionary biologist at Stony Brook University in New York — received a grant from the French nonprofit Human Frontier Science Program to fund their shrew research.

For one, the shrew’s brain doesn’t regrow uniformly. The hippocampus expands back to normal, for instance, while the neocortex does not. Both of those parts of the brain help with memory.

And it’s the lipid-rich white matter strewn throughout the brain that appears to be disappearing, suggesting the tiny mammal’s body may be consuming portions of its own brain to make it through the winter.

The deterioration of white matter, which helps relay information in the brain, is a symptom of multiple sclerosis and other neurodegenerative illnesses.

Researchers are now searching for the proteins or other triggers responsible for the shrinkage and regrowth in the shrews’ noggins. “We are far from applied results,” Dechmann cautioned, though Nieland’s company is working on one drug right now.

If those chemicals are found, Nieland said, “we could maybe use these pathways also to treat brain diseases.”

For Dávalos, finding such an amazing ability in an animal right under European gardeners’ noses is remarkable in and of itself. The discovery suggests there is so much more to find in rainforests in the Amazon, Congo and elsewhere.

“How many centuries have people been studying the European fauna?” she said. “And how many thousands and thousands of scientists have been looking and they hadn’t seen this?”

“Think about all the amazing things that are out there hidden because we have never looked.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2022/11/30/shrews-shrink-regrow-own-brains/?

Ahhhh. The taming of the shew, hey what but.

roughbarked said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

..snip..

“How many centuries have people been studying the European fauna?” she said. “And how many thousands and thousands of scientists have been looking and they hadn’t seen this?”

“Think about all the amazing things that are out there hidden because we have never looked.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2022/11/30/shrews-shrink-regrow-own-brains/?

This is what has always astounded me. We assume it is not there because we haven’t yet seen it.

that seems a perfectly natural response to me. and the reason we keep looking at stuff.

Woodie said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Morning punters and correctors.
It’s cold and raining, a lot.

I had the wipers on all the way.

Phoaw. all the way eh?

JudgeMental said:

Woodie said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Morning punters and correctors.
It’s cold and raining, a lot.

I had the wipers on all the way.

Phoaw. all the way eh?

Yep. all the way. Weather they were needed or not.

Has Bubble finished his tantrum?

Tau.Neutrino said:

Has Bubble finished his tantrum?

That’s a bit unfair. He has good reasons for his attitude.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Has Bubble finished his tantrum?

That’s a bit unfair. He has good reasons for his attitude.

ok.

Has bubble finished his protest?

Tau.Neutrino said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Has Bubble finished his tantrum?

That’s a bit unfair. He has good reasons for his attitude.

ok.

Has bubble finished his protest?

Apparently. Issued grovelling apology to cb88 and all.

Ian said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

That’s a bit unfair. He has good reasons for his attitude.

ok.

Has bubble finished his protest?

Apparently. Issued grovelling apology to cb88 and all.

Like grass through a goose, these are the days of our life.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Has Bubble finished his tantrum?

That’s a bit unfair. He has good reasons for his attitude.

ok.

Has bubble finished his protest?

Yes protest is much better.

sibeen, do you know anything about the Melbourne “little bands” scene of the late 1970s to about 1981? The film Dogs in Space makes allusions to it, but it’s not overt.

btm said:

sibeen, do you know anything about the Melbourne “little bands” scene of the late 1970s to about 1981? The film Dogs in Space makes allusions to it, but it’s not overt.

Sorry, no.

Fleetwood Mac singer-songwriter Christine McVie dies, aged 79

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-01/fleetwood-mac-singer-songwriter-christine-mcvie-dies/101719802

:(

sibeen said:

btm said:

sibeen, do you know anything about the Melbourne “little bands” scene of the late 1970s to about 1981? The film Dogs in Space makes allusions to it, but it’s not overt.

Sorry, no.

All that listening to RRR and nothing…

Hello

A Pellet That Stops Cows From Burping Climate-Warming Methane
Rumin8, an Australian startup, says giving livestock its lab-made feed additive is an alternative to harvesting vast quantities of greenhouse gas-busting seaweed.

BySybilla Gross

30 November 2022 at 16:01 GMT+11

To prevent cows from belching methane, the meat industry is experimenting with adding seaweed to their feed. But harvesters of Asparagopsis, the edible red algae that prevents the greenhouse gas from forming in bovine bellies, may struggle to meet climbing demand. One Australian startup, Rumin8 Ltd., is offering a synthetic alternative that mimics seaweed’s effects.

Methane is the second-largest cause of global warming, and livestock contribute an estimated 32% of emissions generated from human behavior. Just counting the 1.5 billion cows raised for meat globally, that’s 231 billion pounds of methane each year. Giving cows seaweed in their feed could cut 98% of their methane emissions, according to one study.

The relatively recent discovery of the methane-busting powers of Asparagopsis has given rise to a new sector of marine farmers and producers of feed additives. Seaweed takes about four months to be ready for harvest and requires vast tracts of open water to grow; intensive farming could have negative effects on other aquatic life. And it doesn’t come cheap: A report from Australia’s Commonwealth Bank in September estimated that producing a year’s supply of seaweed for the country’s beef industry alone could cost A$132 million to A$1.62 billion ($89 million to $1.1 billion).

Rumin8, based in Perth, is bringing to market products that contain bromoform, the active ingredient in seaweed that inhibits methane production, and they’re made in the lab, not the ocean. Its offerings will include a water-soluble option for free-range cattle and, for less adventurous animals, mineral supplement powders and an oil-based liquid that can be mixed into feed pellets. A slow-release formula in the form of a large tablet is in the works, too.

Laboratory trials conducted by Rumin8 have shown that the additive can reduce emissions from cows by more than 95%, says David Messina, co-founder and chief executive officer. The final product will cost no more than 10% of an animal’s value over its lifetime, he says. Large-scale animal trials are scheduled through this year and next. Rumin8, which is backed by San Francisco-based venture capital firm Prelude Ventures LLC and Australian pension giant Aware Super Pty, expects to start manufacturing in Western Australia in 2023.

Some scientists urge caution, however, regarding the use of seaweed and synthetic alternatives because of their high levels of bromoform, which is banned under the Montreal Protocol, the landmark 1987 environmental treaty that identified chemicals that deplete the ozone layer. “When the world realizes that we might be producing ozone-depleting chemicals to solve methane, well, I don’t know if anyone is going be happy about that,” says Richard Eckard, professor of sustainable agriculture at the University of Melbourne. “A lot of this should still be in the research phase and not in the commercialization phase.”

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While there isn’t yet extensive research about what happens to bromoform once it’s ingested by livestock, industry suppliers say the concerns about bromoform are unwarranted. A spokesperson for FutureFeed, a Brisbane, Australia-based producer of a commercial Asparagopsis additive, says there isn’t enough seaweed in the company’s livestock feed to damage the ozone layer, and Rumin8’s Messina says bromoform almost completely breaks down in an animal’s stomach after about three hours, after which point he says it has no impact on the environment.

These assertions are supported by a May 2022 review of literature published in Algal Research, an international academic journal. The nine authors led by Christopher Glasson of New Zealand’s University of Waikato—including three who are involved in commercializing the use of Asparagopsis for methane mitigation—wrote that microorganisms involved in cows’ digestion decompose the bromoform from algae added to their feed. In concluding, they wrote that “large-scale aquaculture of Asparagopsis, and its application in methane mitigation strategies for ruminants at or near minimum effective inclusion levels, may not negatively impact animal health, food quality and ozone depletion.”

Algae-based feed additives and their alternatives have yet to make a dent in methane emissions from livestock. The commercial supply chain is in its infancy, and there aren’t yet incentives for farmers to buy the supplements or regulatory processes to oversee their use. Trials are continuing, including some using varieties of seaweed that contain lower levels of bromoform than Asparagopsis.

Options that aren’t seaweed-based are being studied, too, such as burp masks and a biochar feed additive. Eckard favors a nitrate and bio-alcohol feed additive made by Dutch nutrition company Royal DSM NV, but it would require more frequent feeding of animals for maximum impact, which makes it impractical for free-range cattle. Also, scientists in New Zealand are in the early stages of developing an anti-burp vaccine. Including more fat in cattle diets can reduce methane output by as much as 24%, says Alex Chaves, professor of animal nutrition at the University of Sydney’s School of Life and Environmental Sciences. That’s safer than working with bromoform, he says, calling the substance toxic and unsustainable.

Various approaches may be needed to curb emissions from livestock with the amount of methane in the atmosphere increasing at record rates, including the largest spike last year since monitoring started four decades ago. “For the last 30 years, we’ve spent millions, maybe billions, of dollars trying to mitigate this. We’ve learned lots, but our success has been quite small,” says Chaves. “We have to stop this idea of the ‘silver bullet.’”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-11-30/seaweed-alternative-could-cut-down-on-methane-from-cows?

Cymek said:

Hello

Don’t clck on any of Witty’s posts, he’s unclean.

Peak Warming Man said:

Cymek said:

Hello

Don’t clck on any of Witty’s posts, he’s unclean.

So, what’s changed there?

captain_spalding said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Cymek said:

Hello

Don’t clck on any of Witty’s posts, he’s unclean.

So, what’s changed there?

I’ve got this brand new bell to ring.

JudgeMental said:

roughbarked said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

..snip..

“How many centuries have people been studying the European fauna?” she said. “And how many thousands and thousands of scientists have been looking and they hadn’t seen this?”

“Think about all the amazing things that are out there hidden because we have never looked.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2022/11/30/shrews-shrink-regrow-own-brains/?

This is what has always astounded me. We assume it is not there because we haven’t yet seen it.

that seems a perfectly natural response to me. and the reason we keep looking at stuff.

Indeed. Life is astounding.

Cymek said:

Hello

G’day

Tamb said:

Cymek said:

Hello

G’day

ditto

btm said:

sibeen, do you know anything about the Melbourne “little bands” scene of the late 1970s to about 1981? The film Dogs in Space makes allusions to it, but it’s not overt.

http://pilerats.com/music/bands/looking-back-at-melbournes-little-band-scene/

https://www.punkjourney.com/little-bands.php

https://www.redbull.com/au-en/melbourne-punk-oral-history

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Band_scene

roughbarked said:

JudgeMental said:

roughbarked said:

This is what has always astounded me. We assume it is not there because we haven’t yet seen it.

that seems a perfectly natural response to me. and the reason we keep looking at stuff.

Indeed. Life is astounding.

It’s just delaying the inevitable.

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

JudgeMental said:

that seems a perfectly natural response to me. and the reason we keep looking at stuff.

Indeed. Life is astounding.

It’s just delaying the inevitable.

Death ?

oh in fucking amazing breaking news

The drunker you get, the less likely you are to realise how drunk you are, study finds

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-01/intoxication-levels-research-drunk-perception/101720020

no way

roughbarked said:

btm said:

sibeen, do you know anything about the Melbourne “little bands” scene of the late 1970s to about 1981? The film Dogs in Space makes allusions to it, but it’s not overt.

http://pilerats.com/music/bands/looking-back-at-melbournes-little-band-scene/

https://www.punkjourney.com/little-bands.php

https://www.redbull.com/au-en/melbourne-punk-oral-history

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Band_scene

Is a good movie Dogs In Space

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

Indeed. Life is astounding.

It’s just delaying the inevitable.

Death ?

It is after all, the inevitable.

Ian said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

That’s a bit unfair. He has good reasons for his attitude.

ok.

Has bubble finished his protest?

Apparently. Issued grovelling apology to cb88 and all.

Not at all true, Tau.

roughbarked said:

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

It’s just delaying the inevitable.

Death ?

It is after all, the inevitable.

what if we meant the evolution of taxa

Bubblecar said:

Ian said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

ok.

Has bubble finished his protest?

Apparently. Issued grovelling apology to cb88 and all.

Not at all true, Tau.

What happened ?

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

Cymek said:

Death ?

It is after all, the inevitable.

what if we meant the evolution of taxa

It wasn’t me who got sidetracked.

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

Indeed. Life is astounding.

It’s just delaying the inevitable.

Death ?

Taxis.

Cymek said:

roughbarked said:

btm said:

sibeen, do you know anything about the Melbourne “little bands” scene of the late 1970s to about 1981? The film Dogs in Space makes allusions to it, but it’s not overt.

http://pilerats.com/music/bands/looking-back-at-melbournes-little-band-scene/

https://www.punkjourney.com/little-bands.php

https://www.redbull.com/au-en/melbourne-punk-oral-history

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Band_scene

Is a good movie Dogs In Space

Dogstar was a good cartoon series.

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

It is after all, the inevitable.

what if we meant the evolution of taxa

It wasn’t me who got sidetracked.

JudgeMental said:

Cymek said:

roughbarked said:

http://pilerats.com/music/bands/looking-back-at-melbournes-little-band-scene/

https://www.punkjourney.com/little-bands.php

https://www.redbull.com/au-en/melbourne-punk-oral-history

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Band_scene

Is a good movie Dogs In Space

Dogstar was a good cartoon series.

Voiced by the Flamin’ Thongs.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Why this mammal eats its own brain — and why it could matter for you
Unlocking the shrew’s secret to shrinking its own cognitive tissue in winter – only to regrow it in spring – may help doctors treat neurodegenerative diseases in humans

By Dino Grandoni
Updated November 30, 2022 at 8:54 a.m. EST|Published November 30, 2022 at 6:30 a.m. EST

The shrew scampered across the sand, zipping its tiny, velvety body right, left, right, left.

In just a few seconds it found the prize concealed in the sandbox: a tasty mixture of earthworms, mealworms and other meat.

To quickly solve the puzzle in Dina Dechmann’s lab, the shrew didn’t just need to learn where its meal was hidden. Something else astounding happened in its head. It had to regrow its own brain.

“It’s a crazy animal,” said Dechmann, a behavioral ecologist at the Max Planck Institute of Animal Behavior in Germany. “We can learn a lot from the shrews.”

To prepare for the depths of winter when food is scarce, many animals slow down, sleep through the cold or migrate to warmer locales.

Not the common shrew. To survive the colder months, the animal eats away at its own brain, reducing the organ by as much as a fourth, only to regrow much of brain matter in the spring.

The process of shrinking and expanding the brain and other organs with seasons — dubbed Dehnel’s phenomenon — allows animals to reduce calorie-consuming tissue when temperatures drop. Researchers have discovered seasonal shrinkage in the skulls of other small, high-metabolism mammals, including weasels and, most recently, moles.

The shrew’s incredible shrinking brain is more than just a biological curiosity. Understanding how these animals are able to restore their brain power may help doctors treat Alzheimer’s, multiple sclerosis and other neurodegenerative diseases in humans.

“In the beginning, I couldn’t quite grasp it,” said John Dirk Nieland, an associate professor of health science and technology who is now researching drugs designed to mimic shrews’ brain-altering chemistry in humans.

“It’s really amazing the way they react and the way they respond,” he added.

A shrew that can’t be tamed
For decades, few scientists grasped the implications of August Dehnel’s 1949 discovery.

Born in Warsaw, Dehnel spent his early career studying bird eggs before the Nazi invasion of Poland interrupted his work on Europe’s beavers and other mammals.

The young zoologist served in the Polish army, though he remained devoted to his academic work during the war. Captured by the Germans, he gave biology lectures at a prisoner-of-war camp.

Back in the lab after the war, he noticed the skulls of shrews collected from the Białowieza Forest at the border of Poland and Belarus contracted and expanded with the seasons.

The high-metabolism mammal pursues insects, spiders, slugs and worms seemingly nonstop to survive. Ranging from the Scottish highlands to the Siberian tundra, it squeaks at pitches beyond human hearing, listening for reverberations to navigate underground.

Unlike deer or bears, shrews are too tiny to migrate and too hyper to hibernate when winter arrives. They live fast and die young, with an average life span of a little more than a year. “Their metabolism isn’t set up for slowing down like that,” Dechmann said.

That makes the jittery creatures awfully challenging to study in captivity.

The common shrew is one of the few mammals with a venomous bite, and it emits a nasty odor potentially to deter cats and other predators. To acclimate the shrews to the seasons, the team keeps its cages outdoors.

Dehnel himself struggled to cage and breed shrews, though he ultimately succeeded. And their metabolism is so high that Dechmann and her colleagues find it difficult to sedate them for scans.

“We cannot get them to sleep,” she said. “It seems almost like a knockout state is not built in because they can’t afford to become unconscious because they’ll simply starve.”

“They’re little bastards,” she added.

Bigger isn’t always better
Shrews’ unorthodox strategy of reducing their brain power may help them save on energy during the winter, but it comes at a cost.

In a series of experiments involving finding food in a sandbox, larger-brained shrews in the summer outperformed their smaller-brained counterparts in the winter, Dechmann’s team found.

“It’s a compromise,” she said. “You make your brain smaller, you save energy, but you become — I don’t want to say stupid, but you become less good at solving certain learning tasks.”

But it’s what happens next that’s remarkable: In the spring, their brains grow back, and their ability to solve lab puzzles appears to return, too. The team is now testing the shrew’s ability to navigate a labyrinth made of LEGO pieces.

“The beauty of the shrew is that, yes, they shrink the brain, but what we see also is that in the spring, they can start growing the brain,” said Nieland, who also co-founded a biotech company named 2N Pharma.

The notion that, for some animals, a smaller brain is a better one is a difficult idea for many people to accept, Dechmann said. She and colleagues received hate mail after publishing a study showing some bats evolved smaller brains to fly faster. Their paper was titled “Bigger is not always better.”

“People at the time did not want to believe that the brain would get smaller,” she said. “We have a large brain and that means we’re more intelligent.”

Figuring out how exactly shrews pull this off is the next step. Dechmann and Nieland — together with Liliana M. Dávalos, an evolutionary biologist at Stony Brook University in New York — received a grant from the French nonprofit Human Frontier Science Program to fund their shrew research.

For one, the shrew’s brain doesn’t regrow uniformly. The hippocampus expands back to normal, for instance, while the neocortex does not. Both of those parts of the brain help with memory.

And it’s the lipid-rich white matter strewn throughout the brain that appears to be disappearing, suggesting the tiny mammal’s body may be consuming portions of its own brain to make it through the winter.

The deterioration of white matter, which helps relay information in the brain, is a symptom of multiple sclerosis and other neurodegenerative illnesses.

Researchers are now searching for the proteins or other triggers responsible for the shrinkage and regrowth in the shrews’ noggins. “We are far from applied results,” Dechmann cautioned, though Nieland’s company is working on one drug right now.

If those chemicals are found, Nieland said, “we could maybe use these pathways also to treat brain diseases.”

For Dávalos, finding such an amazing ability in an animal right under European gardeners’ noses is remarkable in and of itself. The discovery suggests there is so much more to find in rainforests in the Amazon, Congo and elsewhere.

“How many centuries have people been studying the European fauna?” she said. “And how many thousands and thousands of scientists have been looking and they hadn’t seen this?”

“Think about all the amazing things that are out there hidden because we have never looked.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2022/11/30/shrews-shrink-regrow-own-brains/?

Interesting, ta.

Cymek said:

Bubblecar said:

Ian said:

Apparently. Issued grovelling apology to cb88 and all.

Not at all true, Tau.

What happened ?

Nothing. I started peeping back in because wookie has gone.

He’ll probably be back any minute now that I’ve said that.

roughbarked said:

JudgeMental said:

Cymek said:

Is a good movie Dogs In Space

Dogstar was a good cartoon series.

Voiced by the Flamin’ Thongs.

don’t think so.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogstar_(TV_series)

Link

JudgeMental said:

roughbarked said:

JudgeMental said:

Dogstar was a good cartoon series.

Voiced by the Flamin’ Thongs.

don’t think so.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogstar_(TV_series)

Link

Thought you said you didn’t have a TV?

roughbarked said:

JudgeMental said:

roughbarked said:

Voiced by the Flamin’ Thongs.

don’t think so.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogstar_(TV_series)

Link

Thought you said you didn’t have a TV?

I don’t.

Madness. Attacked by a street ghost

https://theconversation.com/headwear-and-hegemony-how-turban-tossing-protests-are-threatening-irans-ruling-clergy-195543

Link

roughbarked said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

..snip..

“How many centuries have people been studying the European fauna?” she said. “And how many thousands and thousands of scientists have been looking and they hadn’t seen this?”

“Think about all the amazing things that are out there hidden because we have never looked.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2022/11/30/shrews-shrink-regrow-own-brains/?

This is what has always astounded me. We assume it is not there because we haven’t yet seen it.

So, about this whole God thing…

Dark Orange said:

roughbarked said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

..snip..

“How many centuries have people been studying the European fauna?” she said. “And how many thousands and thousands of scientists have been looking and they hadn’t seen this?”

“Think about all the amazing things that are out there hidden because we have never looked.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2022/11/30/shrews-shrink-regrow-own-brains/?

This is what has always astounded me. We assume it is not there because we haven’t yet seen it.

So, about this whole God thing…

People have had visions.

roughbarked said:

Dark Orange said:

roughbarked said:

This is what has always astounded me. We assume it is not there because we haven’t yet seen it.

So, about this whole God thing…

People have had visions.

LSD does that.

SCIENCE said:

oh in fucking amazing breaking news

The drunker you get, the less likely you are to realise how drunk you are, study finds

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-01/intoxication-levels-research-drunk-perception/101720020

no way

When you’re drunk and you know you’re drunk you’re sober.
When you’re drunk and you think you’re sober you’re drunk.

Peak Warming Man said:

SCIENCE said:

oh in fucking amazing breaking news

The drunker you get, the less likely you are to realise how drunk you are, study finds

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-01/intoxication-levels-research-drunk-perception/101720020

no way

When you’re drunk and you know you’re drunk you’re sober.
When you’re drunk and you think you’re sober you’re drunk.

Nah you are as jober as a sudge.

BBBBBBRRRR! FMD!!

Think I’ll close the door. The snow’s blowin’ in.

sarahs mum said:

sibeen said:

Bubblecar said:

Merry Xmas everyone!

No, no, no, not yet. Can we at least have a fortnight of celebrating summer before we get into listening to a single xmas carol.?

I do realise that I live in false hope, but I can dream.

What summer? when is spring?

My reaction, too.

Woodie said:

BBBBBBRRRR! FMD!!

Think I’ll close the door. The snow’s blowin’ in.

Could be a white Christmas.

roughbarked said:

Peak Warming Man said:

SCIENCE said:

oh in fucking amazing breaking news

The drunker you get, the less likely you are to realise how drunk you are, study finds

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-01/intoxication-levels-research-drunk-perception/101720020

no way

When you’re drunk and you know you’re drunk you’re sober.
When you’re drunk and you think you’re sober you’re drunk.

Nah you are as jober as a sudge.

Not as thunk as some drinkle pink you are.

Set to replace the eye spy game for keeping drivers awake.

roughbarked said:

Set to replace the eye spy game for keeping drivers awake.

I’d be singing signs signs everywhere a sign. Do this don’t do that, don’t you read the signs.

Twitter ends its ban on covid misinformation
Doctors and public health officials say Musk’s decision is a ‘huge step backwards’ and will lead to more deaths

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/11/29/twitter-covid-misinformation-policy/?

…

Ahhh that’s what he’s up to. Musk has appointed Wookie chief Ukraine War correspondent.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Twitter ends its ban on covid misinformation
Doctors and public health officials say Musk’s decision is a ‘huge step backwards’ and will lead to more deaths

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/11/29/twitter-covid-misinformation-policy/?

…

Ahhh that’s what he’s up to. Musk has appointed Wookie chief Ukraine War correspondent.

Never seen them in the same room together, perhaps they are the same person

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

Set to replace the eye spy game for keeping drivers awake.

I’d be singing signs signs everywhere a sign. Do this don’t do that, don’t you read the signs.

The Electric Fan Band?

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

Set to replace the eye spy game for keeping drivers awake.

I’d be singing signs signs everywhere a sign. Do this don’t do that, don’t you read the signs.

The Electric Fan Band?

Five bladed fan. 1971 single by Five Man Electrical Band

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

I’d be singing signs signs everywhere a sign. Do this don’t do that, don’t you read the signs.

The Electric Fan Band?

Five bladed fan. 1971 single by Five Man Electrical Band

Soon there will be so many reflective signs that people will be getting fits from the strobing effect.

Drill bits again..

Brass, copper, and bronze are “grabby”. When they’re cut, the resulting chips are different from those in aluminum or steel or plastic or just about anything else. The conventional cutting edge on a drill bit digs in to the surface deeply enough that chip formation fails. That causes the bit to stall suddenly and all-too-frequently snap off inside the hole. A tool steel drill bit stub locked in a hole is considered a Bad Thing.

“Normal” drill bits have sort of a scooping leading edge on them, making steel or aluminum or whatever peel up and make a curl. That’s what causes the problem in copper alloys. Dubbing the bits removes that scoop and turns it into more of a scraper. The cutting action of a dubbed bit makes it shave the brass away cleanly without grabbing. (It all comes down to shearing planes within the crystal matrix of the metal.)

I bought a (somewhat) cheaper set of drill bits for use in brass and wrote BRASS on the front of the index. It took very little time to dub them all. Yeah, the idea of intentionally modifying a brand-new bit so it ain’t worth a dang for steel is certainly cringe-worthy, but I don’t know of a factory-made set of bits for brass. I guess I probably never looked, frankly. A specialized set of tools like that is going to jack the price up a ton; it’s a lot cheaper to just buy another set and dub them.

Comments on the listing:

M35 is a flavor of high-speed steel (HSS, also known as tool steel) that has 5% cobalt in it. (Saying “HSS M35 Cobalt 5%” uses a lot more words to bang the drum.) Cobalt is added to HSS to make it harder so the edge lasts longer when used to cut harder steels. The edge will still last longer if you use them only in brass, but it’s not really worth the extra expense to go for the M35 vs regular HSS. It used to be that 135° tips were more of a specialty item, but now everybody has shifted to them. If you can find a set of 118° bits you’ll probably save a bit of money up front and they’ll work just as well. The split point makes the 135° tips “walk” a bit less (the 118° bits aren’t as squirrelly), to the point that some people don’t see the need for a pilot hole anymore. Other than the split tip, this set is still ground with conventional tips, so it’ll still be safest to dub them if you’re going to use them in brass.

Hope this helps.

Anyone else here that is/was a fan of Liartown USA pages?

Well, the 10% chance of rain happened, while I was weeding. So that stopped the weeding and has put off the mowing because the grass is now wet. Went to the bakery for my morning tea about 9.30am…because I got up at 8.00am so am a bit ahead of the day. Then I’ve been washing down weatherboards across the front of the house and cleaning the windows so I can put up my Christmas window thing. I have an idea in my head. Not sure yet if it is going to work.

But a break now for a sav in white bread and a big glass of Milo.

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

Set to replace the eye spy game for keeping drivers awake.

I’d be singing signs signs everywhere a sign. Do this don’t do that, don’t you read the signs.

Re-released as an A-side single in 1971 where it reached #3 on the US Billboard Hot 100 chart who ranked it as the No. 24 song for that year. It is reported to have sold more than 2 million copies worldwide, earning a gold award, and has become the band’s signature recording. The lyrics are intended to give voice to those without power or property rights, which in many cases were young people.
Emmerson wrote the song after taking a road trip on Route 66 in California where he noticed a scores of billboards that obscured the beautiful scenery begging the question: Who is allowed to put up signs that interfere with nature, and who gets to make the rules that appear on them? ….One thing is certain, contrary to the intent of the song, no doubt there probably were signs outside The Five Man Electrical Band’s concert venues that read something like “Must have a ticket to enter”.

Signs

roughbarked said:

Set to replace the eye spy game for keeping drivers awake.

Are you echidnaing me?

Black hole simulation began glowing, providing hope for unifying gravity and quantum mechanics
The experiment may prove the existence of Hawking radiation.

https://cosmosmagazine.com/science/physics/black-hole-simulation-glow/

roughbarked said:

Set to replace the eye spy game for keeping drivers awake.

It’s an animal with only one treme.

Tamb said:

roughbarked said:

Set to replace the eye spy game for keeping drivers awake.

Are you echidnaing me?

I got you to platy the pus.

Peak Warming Man said:

roughbarked said:

Set to replace the eye spy game for keeping drivers awake.

It’s an animal with only one treme.

It would seem so.

has anyone here had a fourth covid shot?

sarahs mum said:

has anyone here had a fourth covid shot?

puts up hand

Witty Rejoinder said:

sarahs mum said:

has anyone here had a fourth covid shot?

puts up hand

did you have any reaction?

Witty Rejoinder said:

sarahs mum said:

has anyone here had a fourth covid shot?

puts up hand

+1

2 x Astra, 2 x Pfizer

sarahs mum said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

sarahs mum said:

has anyone here had a fourth covid shot?

puts up hand

did you have any reaction?

I just had the normal passing slight cold type symptoms for a day or two.

Bubblecar said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

sarahs mum said:

has anyone here had a fourth covid shot?

puts up hand

+1

2 x Astra, 2 x Pfizer

I’m booked in for the 13th but I have a gallery sit on the 14th…

BACK with drinks + nibbles for tonight’s football that I didn’t realise was on last night.

But I can watch the replay on NITV and surf between that and whatever live match is on SBS.

sarahs mum said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

sarahs mum said:

has anyone here had a fourth covid shot?

puts up hand

did you have any reaction?

Nope but then I seldom do. I had Moderna for number 4.

sarahs mum said:

Bubblecar said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

puts up hand

+1

2 x Astra, 2 x Pfizer

I’m booked in for the 13th but I have a gallery sit on the 14th…

Will that be the show with your stuff in it?

I was going to call you and ask when that was on but since I’m back in Chat we might as well discuss it here :)

Witty Rejoinder said:

sarahs mum said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

puts up hand

did you have any reaction?

Nope but then I seldom do. I had Moderna for number 4.

goodo. I had a massive reaction to the first but minor to the next two. I think I shalljust leave the appt as it is and hope all is good.

sarahs mum said:

has anyone here had a fourth covid shot?

I have had 2x Astra, 2x Pfizer & 2x Evusheld.

Tamb said:

sarahs mum said:

has anyone here had a fourth covid shot?

I have had 2x Astra, 2x Pfizer & 2x Evusheld.

Luxury.

<sigh> A friend told me he thinks the Victorian election was rigged, because everyone he knows who’s told him who they voted for (him, his brother, and his father) voted Liberal. Initially I thought he was joking (he’s done a PhD in chemistry,) but no, he’s serious.
<sigh>

btm said:

<sigh> A friend told me he thinks the Victorian election was rigged, because everyone he knows who’s told him who they voted for (him, his brother, and his father) voted Liberal. Initially I thought he was joking (he’s done a PhD in chemistry,) but no, he’s serious.
<sigh>

Maybe early onset Alzheimer’s.

Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

Bubblecar said:

+1

2 x Astra, 2 x Pfizer

I’m booked in for the 13th but I have a gallery sit on the 14th…

Will that be the show with your stuff in it?

I was going to call you and ask when that was on but since I’m back in Chat we might as well discuss it here :)

the paintings went to Artosaurus in Moonah. they will be up until christmas.

I will be sitting at the sidespace for the HIP group show. I have 18 prints printed and one plate ready to etch. I have to mix up some more nitric. I have been waiting until I feel together enough to be not making mistakes mixing up nitric.

btm said:

<sigh> A friend told me he thinks the Victorian election was rigged, because everyone he knows who’s told him who they voted for (him, his brother, and his father) voted Liberal. Initially I thought he was joking (he’s done a PhD in chemistry,) but no, he’s serious.
<sigh>

Asks two people, either or both of whom may not have been answering truthfully.

“I’ve done the research!”

Witty Rejoinder said:

sarahs mum said:

has anyone here had a fourth covid shot?

puts up hand

It didn’t work.

sarahs mum said:

Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

I’m booked in for the 13th but I have a gallery sit on the 14th…

Will that be the show with your stuff in it?

I was going to call you and ask when that was on but since I’m back in Chat we might as well discuss it here :)

the paintings went to Artosaurus in Moonah. they will be up until christmas.

I will be sitting at the sidespace for the HIP group show. I have 18 prints printed and one plate ready to etch. I have to mix up some more nitric. I have been waiting until I feel together enough to be not making mistakes mixing up nitric.

Goodo. I should be able to get down there before Xmas.

Peak Warming Man said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

sarahs mum said:

has anyone here had a fourth covid shot?

puts up hand

It didn’t work.

I’d be at death’s door if it weren’t for my friendly neighbourhood jabber dude!

Peak Warming Man said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

sarahs mum said:

has anyone here had a fourth covid shot?

puts up hand

It didn’t work.

Does Witty have Covid?

Bubblecar said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

puts up hand

It didn’t work.

Does Witty have Covid?

As of a positive RAT this morning.

Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

Bubblecar said:

Will that be the show with your stuff in it?

I was going to call you and ask when that was on but since I’m back in Chat we might as well discuss it here :)

the paintings went to Artosaurus in Moonah. they will be up until christmas.

I will be sitting at the sidespace for the HIP group show. I have 18 prints printed and one plate ready to etch. I have to mix up some more nitric. I have been waiting until I feel together enough to be not making mistakes mixing up nitric.

Goodo. I should be able to get down there before Xmas.

…I’ll see if I can visit on the 14th while you’re in there :)

Witty Rejoinder said:

Bubblecar said:

Peak Warming Man said:

It didn’t work.

Does Witty have Covid?

As of a positive RAT this morning.

You don’t look or sound ill :)

Hope it passes quickly. It’ll be a good test of the 4 shot protection.

Bubblecar said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

sarahs mum said:

has anyone here had a fourth covid shot?

puts up hand

+1

2 x Astra, 2 x Pfizer

ditto.

captain_spalding said:

btm said:

<sigh> A friend told me he thinks the Victorian election was rigged, because everyone he knows who’s told him who they voted for (him, his brother, and his father) voted Liberal. Initially I thought he was joking (he’s done a PhD in chemistry,) but no, he’s serious.
<sigh>

Asks two people, either or both of whom may not have been answering truthfully.

“I’ve done the research!”

“I have sauces!”

Bubblecar said:

Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

the paintings went to Artosaurus in Moonah. they will be up until christmas.

I will be sitting at the sidespace for the HIP group show. I have 18 prints printed and one plate ready to etch. I have to mix up some more nitric. I have been waiting until I feel together enough to be not making mistakes mixing up nitric.

Goodo. I should be able to get down there before Xmas.

…I’ll see if I can visit on the 14th while you’re in there :)

Dig it. :)

Woodie said:

Bubblecar said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

puts up hand

+1

2 x Astra, 2 x Pfizer

ditto.

I’ve had 2 x Astra and 1 x Pfizer.
I don’t think I’ll get a fourth.

Peak Warming Man said:

Woodie said:

Bubblecar said:

+1

2 x Astra, 2 x Pfizer

ditto.

I’ve had 2 x Astra and 1 x Pfizer.
I don’t think I’ll get a fourth.

Why not?

Bubblecar said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Woodie said:

ditto.

I’ve had 2 x Astra and 1 x Pfizer.
I don’t think I’ll get a fourth.

Why not?

the doc said this morning that Covid was starting to go crazy. She said vax.

sarahs mum said:

Bubblecar said:

Peak Warming Man said:

I’ve had 2 x Astra and 1 x Pfizer.
I don’t think I’ll get a fourth.

Why not?

the doc said this morning that Covid was starting to go crazy. She said vax.

I’m expecting that further Covid shots will be a regular thing into the future, like flu shots.

sarahs mum said:

has anyone here had a fourth covid shot?

Yes, about 4 months ago.

Von Braun standing next to the first stage of the Saturn 5 rocket, with the Rocketdyne F1 engines. Each engine would consume three tonnes of fuel & oxidiser per second when running.

Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

Bubblecar said:

Why not?

the doc said this morning that Covid was starting to go crazy. She said vax.

I’m expecting that further Covid shots will be a regular thing into the future, like flu shots.

the new vax that works on the coil rather the spikes might be a winner…but it is a while away..

Spiny Norman said:

Von Braun standing next to the first stage of the Saturn 5 rocket, with the Rocketdyne F1 engines. Each engine would consume three tonnes of fuel & oxidiser per second when running.

Did they have a combustion chamber, or was the fuel just dumped into the bell chamber?

Kingy said:

sarahs mum said:

has anyone here had a fourth covid shot?

Yes, about 4 months ago.

Me too. many moons back.

Witty Rejoinder said:

sarahs mum said:

has anyone here had a fourth covid shot?

puts up hand

+1

sibeen said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

sarahs mum said:

has anyone here had a fourth covid shot?

puts up hand

+1

I’ve had the trifecta; 2 x Astra and 1 x Pfizer + 1 x Mod.

Kingy said:

sarahs mum said:

has anyone here had a fourth covid shot?

Yes, about 4 months ago.

Much the same here. The 5th one should be available in a few weeks, Spocky and I will get it ASAP.

Kingy said:

Spiny Norman said:

Von Braun standing next to the first stage of the Saturn 5 rocket, with the Rocketdyne F1 engines. Each engine would consume three tonnes of fuel & oxidiser per second when running.

Did they have a combustion chamber, or was the fuel just dumped into the bell chamber?

Yeah all liquid-fuelled rockets have a combustion chamber. That’s where the combustion (duh!) occurs and the extremely hot & high-speed gasses exit the big nozzle, that’s what generates the overall thrust.

Well this is quite odd behaviour!

The turntable paradox.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oM7hX3UUEU

Almost two weeks after launching from Cape Canaveral in Florida, NASA’s Artemis-1 reached its furthest distance from the Earth. The Orion spacecraft took this selfie at 268,563 miles from our home planet.

Witty Rejoinder said:

sarahs mum said:

has anyone here had a fourth covid shot?

puts up hand

didn’t do you much good!

Witty Rejoinder said:

Almost two weeks after launching from Cape Canaveral in Florida, NASA’s Artemis-1 reached its furthest distance from the Earth. The Orion spacecraft took this selfie at 268,563 miles from our home planet.

Odd perspective.

Spiny Norman said:

Well this is quite odd behaviour!

The turntable paradox.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oM7hX3UUEU

Unexpectedly precise movements.

Tucker Corporation Christmas Card, 1947. The card illustrates the basic design of the 1948 Tucker, but with non-production trim.

Only 51 of these cars were made before the company went brankrupt.

Spiny Norman said:

Von Braun standing next to the first stage of the Saturn 5 rocket, with the Rocketdyne F1 engines. Each engine would consume three tonnes of fuel & oxidiser per second when running.

The Saturn V rocket and a paperclip.

Well, I’ve made quite a decent start on cleaning ready for Christmas decorations. Slowed up by deciding that I needed to wash down the weatherboards, not just the windows. Never the less, and despite I think my right shoulder is starting to niggle about doing so much sideways movement, I’m pleased with it. I only got about a third of the weatherboards done. But at least the windows are less dogged now and you can see out without thinking it’s lightly raining out there.

Spiny Norman said:

Kingy said:

Spiny Norman said:

Von Braun standing next to the first stage of the Saturn 5 rocket, with the Rocketdyne F1 engines. Each engine would consume three tonnes of fuel & oxidiser per second when running.

Did they have a combustion chamber, or was the fuel just dumped into the bell chamber?

Yeah all liquid-fuelled rockets have a combustion chamber. That’s where the combustion (duh!) occurs and the extremely hot & high-speed gasses exit the big nozzle, that’s what generates the overall thrust.

So what is the large tapering pipe wrapped around the nozzle? It sure looks like that’s where the ruel or lox is injected, and I can’t see a combustion chamber.

Kingy said:

Spiny Norman said:

Kingy said:

Did they have a combustion chamber, or was the fuel just dumped into the bell chamber?

Yeah all liquid-fuelled rockets have a combustion chamber. That’s where the combustion (duh!) occurs and the extremely hot & high-speed gasses exit the big nozzle, that’s what generates the overall thrust.

So what is the large tapering pipe wrapped around the nozzle? It sure looks like that’s where the ruel or lox is injected, and I can’t see a combustion chamber.

the big pipe is liquid oxygen, I believe, it is used to cool the nozzle. the combustion chamber is the bit above that big pipe.

Kingy said:

Spiny Norman said:

Kingy said:

Did they have a combustion chamber, or was the fuel just dumped into the bell chamber?

Yeah all liquid-fuelled rockets have a combustion chamber. That’s where the combustion (duh!) occurs and the extremely hot & high-speed gasses exit the big nozzle, that’s what generates the overall thrust.

So what is the large tapering pipe wrapped around the nozzle? It sure looks like that’s where the ruel or lox is injected, and I can’t see a combustion chamber.

The combustion chamber is directly above the thrust chamber.

Kingy said:

Spiny Norman said:

Kingy said:

Did they have a combustion chamber, or was the fuel just dumped into the bell chamber?

Yeah all liquid-fuelled rockets have a combustion chamber. That’s where the combustion (duh!) occurs and the extremely hot & high-speed gasses exit the big nozzle, that’s what generates the overall thrust.

So what is the large tapering pipe wrapped around the nozzle? It sure looks like that’s where the ruel or lox is injected, and I can’t see a combustion chamber.

that tube is a heat exchanger. not cooling for the nozzle. the nozzle has tubes inside for that.

http://heroicrelics.org/info/f-1/f-1-thrust-chamber.html

Have schools forsaken Shakespeare? No, The Bard isn’t vanishing into thin air

And why is that of any significance?

Because on Monday our mate Mandy V was interviewing some bloke (whose name I forget) who claimed that Shakespeare was no longer taught in NZ schools because of “political correctness”.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Have schools forsaken Shakespeare? No, The Bard isn’t vanishing into thin air

And why is that of any significance?

Because on Monday our mate Mandy V was interviewing some bloke (whose name I forget) who claimed that Shakespeare was no longer taught in NZ schools because of “political correctness”.

Which is not to say that everyone is in favour of Shakespeare

The Rev Dodgson said:

Have schools forsaken Shakespeare? No, The Bard isn’t vanishing into thin air

And why is that of any significance?

Because on Monday our mate Mandy V was interviewing some bloke (whose name I forget) who claimed that Shakespeare was no longer taught in NZ schools because of “political correctness”.

Maybe one could argue that Shakespeare should be taught less now than in the past, not because of political correctnesss but because we’re now well into the 21st century.

Shakespeare’s been cancelled.

Bubblecar said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Have schools forsaken Shakespeare? No, The Bard isn’t vanishing into thin air

And why is that of any significance?

Because on Monday our mate Mandy V was interviewing some bloke (whose name I forget) who claimed that Shakespeare was no longer taught in NZ schools because of “political correctness”.

Maybe one could argue that Shakespeare should be taught less now than in the past, not because of political correctnesss but because we’re now well into the 21st century.

They are pretty boring books as well

Bubblecar said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Have schools forsaken Shakespeare? No, The Bard isn’t vanishing into thin air

And why is that of any significance?

Because on Monday our mate Mandy V was interviewing some bloke (whose name I forget) who claimed that Shakespeare was no longer taught in NZ schools because of “political correctness”.

Maybe one could argue that Shakespeare should be taught less now than in the past, not because of political correctnesss but because we’re now well into the 21st century.

so political correction rather

Cymek said:

Bubblecar said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Have schools forsaken Shakespeare? No, The Bard isn’t vanishing into thin air

And why is that of any significance?

Because on Monday our mate Mandy V was interviewing some bloke (whose name I forget) who claimed that Shakespeare was no longer taught in NZ schools because of “political correctness”.

Maybe one could argue that Shakespeare should be taught less now than in the past, not because of political correctnesss but because we’re now well into the 21st century.

They are pretty boring books as well

Lisa Simpson disagrees.

Shall I compare thee to a summers day?
Well not this summers day you wont, it’s freezing.

Peak Warming Man said:

Shall I compare thee to a summers day?
Well not this summers day you wont, it’s freezing.

Can you provide a temperature reading to back up that claim?

Bubblecar said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Shall I compare thee to a summers day?
Well not this summers day you wont, it’s freezing.

Can you provide a temperature reading to back up that claim?

It’s 11 degrees and raining.

Peak Warming Man said:

Shall I compare thee to a summers day?
Well not this summers day you wont, it’s freezing.

It’s 27°C here. Not exactly freezing.

Bubblecar said:

Kingy said:

Spiny Norman said:

Yeah all liquid-fuelled rockets have a combustion chamber. That’s where the combustion (duh!) occurs and the extremely hot & high-speed gasses exit the big nozzle, that’s what generates the overall thrust.

So what is the large tapering pipe wrapped around the nozzle? It sure looks like that’s where the ruel or lox is injected, and I can’t see a combustion chamber.

The combustion chamber is directly above the thrust chamber.

Ta, I had a fair idea of how it worked but that diagram explains the bits I didn’t know about.

George Street, Sydney, in 1957.

Source: SMH Archives

paging Buffy paging Buffy

In addition to testing for COVID-19, presence of symptoms warrants testing for other respiratory viruses; this has been initiated by the doctor reviewing your request. You will be contacted by XTRACARE Health if you test positive for respiratory viruses including Influenza A and B

sarahs mum said:

George Street, Sydney, in 1957.

Source: SMH Archives

Nice atmospheric shot, ta.

First car on the left is a 1954 Hillman Minx.

Witty Rejoinder said:

paging Buffy paging Buffy

In addition to testing for COVID-19, presence of symptoms warrants testing for other respiratory viruses; this has been initiated by the doctor reviewing your request. You will be contacted by XTRACARE Health if you test positive for respiratory viruses including Influenza A and B

You are having a PCR done/

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

paging Buffy paging Buffy

In addition to testing for COVID-19, presence of symptoms warrants testing for other respiratory viruses; this has been initiated by the doctor reviewing your request. You will be contacted by XTRACARE Health if you test positive for respiratory viruses including Influenza A and B

You are having a PCR done/

Yeah.

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

paging Buffy paging Buffy

In addition to testing for COVID-19, presence of symptoms warrants testing for other respiratory viruses; this has been initiated by the doctor reviewing your request. You will be contacted by XTRACARE Health if you test positive for respiratory viruses including Influenza A and B

You are having a PCR done/

Sorry, that / was a question mark. My left hand forgot to “shift”.

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

paging Buffy paging Buffy

In addition to testing for COVID-19, presence of symptoms warrants testing for other respiratory viruses; this has been initiated by the doctor reviewing your request. You will be contacted by XTRACARE Health if you test positive for respiratory viruses including Influenza A and B

You are having a PCR done/

Yeah.

Don’t you trust the RAT?

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

You are having a PCR done/

Yeah.

Don’t you trust the RAT?

No I just thought I should contribute to the collection of the stats.

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

You are having a PCR done/

Yeah.

Don’t you trust the RAT?

I went and got a PCR test after a +ve RAT. They tested for other stuff too.

Woodie said:

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Yeah.

Don’t you trust the RAT?

I went and got a PCR test after a +ve RAT. They tested for other stuff too.

They must have the labs still wound up and now looking for work. At one time a PCR for COVID did only COVID because they couldn’t keep up with the number of tests.

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Yeah.

Don’t you trust the RAT?

No I just thought I should contribute to the collection of the stats.

I ended up as a +1 on the stats too. And got meself a digital certificate to say so as well. 😎

Woodie said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

Don’t you trust the RAT?

No I just thought I should contribute to the collection of the stats.

I ended up as a +1 on the stats too. And got meself a digital certificate to say so as well. 😎

The drive through places are now closed, aren’t they? Do you have to go to a GP now? And if so, it would be the GP who orders which things should be tested for. I think.

buffy said:

Woodie said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

No I just thought I should contribute to the collection of the stats.

I ended up as a +1 on the stats too. And got meself a digital certificate to say so as well. 😎

The drive through places are now closed, aren’t they? Do you have to go to a GP now? And if so, it would be the GP who orders which things should be tested for. I think.

I just went to a pathology place.

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

Woodie said:

I ended up as a +1 on the stats too. And got meself a digital certificate to say so as well. 😎

The drive through places are now closed, aren’t they? Do you have to go to a GP now? And if so, it would be the GP who orders which things should be tested for. I think.

I just went to a pathology place.

The VicGov site seems to think we don’t have any testing places at all now. So it would be a GP visit.

Do you have co-morbidities? All the stuff on the VicGov site seems to suggest they only want to bother with RATs unless you are at high risk.

buffy said:

Woodie said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

No I just thought I should contribute to the collection of the stats.

I ended up as a +1 on the stats too. And got meself a digital certificate to say so as well. 😎

The drive through places are now closed, aren’t they? Do you have to go to a GP now? And if so, it would be the GP who orders which things should be tested for. I think.

Our local PCR testing station is now in the corner of a hall in the CBD. I don’t think they are terribly over worked.

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

Woodie said:

I ended up as a +1 on the stats too. And got meself a digital certificate to say so as well. 😎

The drive through places are now closed, aren’t they? Do you have to go to a GP now? And if so, it would be the GP who orders which things should be tested for. I think.

I just went to a pathology place.

Our local pathology place won’t do it without a GP referral.

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

The drive through places are now closed, aren’t they? Do you have to go to a GP now? And if so, it would be the GP who orders which things should be tested for. I think.

I just went to a pathology place.

The VicGov site seems to think we don’t have any testing places at all now. So it would be a GP visit.

Do you have co-morbidities? All the stuff on the VicGov site seems to suggest they only want to bother with RATs unless you are at high risk.

I’m just old. On a quick perusal of the Vic govt covid info I didn’t really find anything saying I should get one but a pathology place where i’ve been tested before was still doing them so I thought what the heck?

Woodie said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

The drive through places are now closed, aren’t they? Do you have to go to a GP now? And if so, it would be the GP who orders which things should be tested for. I think.

I just went to a pathology place.

Our local pathology place won’t do it without a GP referral.

That is what I would expect. Otherwise the path place can just add on a few extras to get paid for…

By the way, Witty…Dr Sebastian the Swede hasn’t posted since the end of July.

https://sebastianrushworth.com/

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

I just went to a pathology place.

The VicGov site seems to think we don’t have any testing places at all now. So it would be a GP visit.

Do you have co-morbidities? All the stuff on the VicGov site seems to suggest they only want to bother with RATs unless you are at high risk.

I’m just old. On a quick perusal of the Vic govt covid info I didn’t really find anything saying I should get one but a pathology place where i’ve been tested before was still doing them so I thought what the heck?

Gone are the days where, say, just one in thousands of PCR test were +ve. Every man and their dog queueing up whether they needed it or not. Dare I say just about every PCR test these days would be +ve.

buffy said:

By the way, Witty…Dr Sebastian the Swede hasn’t posted since the end of July.

https://sebastianrushworth.com/

Must be long covid or something.

There is a talk on Sunday at the Australian Skeptics conference titled “Sweden’s COVID-19 Response – reviewing an outlier”. It is to be given by Pontus Bockman, who is the president of the Swedish Skeptics Association. Could be an interesting one.

Hey Witty,

Earlier today we sent you an email exploring the amazing deep sea world of the Cocos (Keeling) Islands Marine park.

You may have been surprised when we said the ocean is thousands of kilometres deep, us too!

Our sea is pretty deep, but not that deep. It can reach thousands of metres, not kilometres, below the surface.

We just want to apologise for the typo. We’ve since fixed the email, so please enjoy diving into the underwater world of the Cocos (Keeling) Islands Marine Park!

All the best,

Fi Maxwell.

buffy said:

There is a talk on Sunday at the Australian Skeptics conference titled “Sweden’s COVID-19 Response – reviewing an outlier”. It is to be given by Pontus Bockman, who is the president of the Swedish Skeptics Association. Could be an interesting one.

Let us know how that one comes out, please.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Hey Witty,

Earlier today we sent you an email exploring the amazing deep sea world of the Cocos (Keeling) Islands Marine park.

You may have been surprised when we said the ocean is thousands of kilometres deep, us too!

Our sea is pretty deep, but not that deep. It can reach thousands of metres, not kilometres, below the surface.

We just want to apologise for the typo. We’ve since fixed the email, so please enjoy diving into the underwater world of the Cocos (Keeling) Islands Marine Park!

All the best,

Fi Maxwell.

I bet that it really is thousands of kms. deep, and they’re now scrambling to cover up the accidental admission, because they don’t want us to know that that’s where the secret alien base is.

captain_spalding said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Hey Witty,

Earlier today we sent you an email exploring the amazing deep sea world of the Cocos (Keeling) Islands Marine park.

You may have been surprised when we said the ocean is thousands of kilometres deep, us too!

Our sea is pretty deep, but not that deep. It can reach thousands of metres, not kilometres, below the surface.

We just want to apologise for the typo. We’ve since fixed the email, so please enjoy diving into the underwater world of the Cocos (Keeling) Islands Marine Park!

All the best,

Fi Maxwell.

I bet that it really is thousands of kms. deep, and they’re now scrambling to cover up the accidental admission, because they don’t want us to know that that’s where the secret alien base is.

When was your name wookie?

captain_spalding said:

buffy said:

There is a talk on Sunday at the Australian Skeptics conference titled “Sweden’s COVID-19 Response – reviewing an outlier”. It is to be given by Pontus Bockman, who is the president of the Swedish Skeptics Association. Could be an interesting one.

Let us know how that one comes out, please.

Shall do. I don’t know what the stance of the Swedish Skeptics is/was to what was done there. Here is something from The Conversation doing a look back.

https://theconversation.com/did-swedens-controversial-covid-strategy-pay-off-in-many-ways-it-did-but-it-let-the-elderly-down-188338

I’ll stick to the first 10 metres I think:

This dumpling-looking cutie is called a batfish. They’re typically found at depths between 200 and 3,000m but have been recorded as deep as 4,000m. The irregular, arm-like shape of their fins means they’re very awkward swimmers, preferring to walk over the seafloor. They sport a tiny “fishing lure” in a small hollow on their snout to attract prey, similar to anglerfish.

Another fish was caught anchored to the ground with bizarrely elongated stilt-fins, with which it can hover effortlessly just above the seafloor. From there, it faces into the deep-sea currents and waits for food like shrimp to come to it.

Can you guess the name of this fish?

Tripod fish!

This voracious Sloane’s viperfish, has huge fang-like teeth that are visible even when the mouth is closed. In fact, these fangs are so large that they will not fit inside the mouth. Instead, they curve back very close to the fish’s eyes. Viperfish have rows of light organs along the underside and a very long upper fin with light organs on the tip to attract prey.

This is a previously unknown blind eel collected from a depth of about 5km covered in loose, transparent, gelatinous skin. Their eyes are poorly developed and, unusually for a fish, females give birth to live young.

Highfin lizard fish are voracious deep-sea predators with mouths full of long sharp teeth. They belong to a group of fishes that are simultaneous hermaphrodites; they have an ovotestis with functional male and female reproductive tissue at the same time.

Deep sea canyons
The RV investigator has also undertaken the important work of producing world-first 3D mapping of the Cocos (Keeling) Islands.

These images are gathered using a multi-beam sonar – sending pulses to the bottom of the seafloor and back, allowing the crew to estimate the depth.

This new data now covers a substantial area of the new marine park and shows the Cocos (Keeling) Islands as the twin peaks of a massive seamount that rises nearly 5000m from the surrounding seafloor.

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Hey Witty,

Earlier today we sent you an email exploring the amazing deep sea world of the Cocos (Keeling) Islands Marine park.

You may have been surprised when we said the ocean is thousands of kilometres deep, us too!

Our sea is pretty deep, but not that deep. It can reach thousands of metres, not kilometres, below the surface.

We just want to apologise for the typo. We’ve since fixed the email, so please enjoy diving into the underwater world of the Cocos (Keeling) Islands Marine Park!

All the best,

Fi Maxwell.

I bet that it really is thousands of kms. deep, and they’re now scrambling to cover up the accidental admission, because they don’t want us to know that that’s where the secret alien base is.

When was your name wookie?

(slaps self in the face, hard)

Thanks, i needed that.

If only there was some way to compare gambling revenue to population size…

Witty Rejoinder said:

If only there was some way to compare gambling revenue to population size…

Fools and their money are easily parted, aren’t they?

Curse my upbringing! I could have been fabulously wealthy ,were it not for these damned principles and ethics

Witty Rejoinder said:

If only there was some way to compare gambling revenue to population size…

I suspect that the comparison would still be difficult. There’s not that much unregulated gambling in Australia, there just doesn’t need to be when you can put a bet on legally from your bedroom. That’s not the case in many other countries.

Witty Rejoinder said:

If only there was some way to compare gambling revenue to population size…

You want to see who has the biggest suckers?

I think I need a pair of these for my bush walking. I’ve got an old pair that don’t have the elastane in the mix. It would be better with stretch. Their sizing is weird anyway. I remember when I bought the ones I’ve got I ordered a 16 (my usual size for pants) and I couldn’t do them up. So I exchanged them for an 18 – and had to dart in the waistband because it was too big. This time I’ll make the trip to their shop in Warrnambool and try them on first. Mr buffy says he has to order 2 sizes bigger in their products than what he wears of any other brand.

https://rbsellars.com.au/products/womens-utility-pant-wtr2120-khaki

Witty Rejoinder said:

I’ll stick to the first 10 metres I think:

Weird, has a face like those old plastic gonk trolls. They should have called it a gonkfish or trollfish.

Witty Rejoinder said:

If only there was some way to compare gambling revenue to population size…

Regulated gambling.

You want to see the figures for unregulated gambling in India and China.

Reading in the living room then I’ll watch the feetball in there.

Oz vs Denmark replay on NITV begins at 11:25.

Bubblecar said:

Reading in the living room then I’ll watch the feetball in there.

Oz vs Denmark replay on NITV begins at 11:25.

Did you not get up early this morning to watch it live?

Hello from my laptop. Just making sure it still remembers how to connect to the home WiFi network so I can use it for the conference on Saturday and Sunday. Seems to be working. I could always grab Mr buffy’s lappy if necessary. But this seems to be working fine. I can’t use the computer I usually use because it’s got no noise. We’ve tried messing about with it and speakers, but to no avail. It’s generally not important…if there is something I want to hear I’ll nip into the next room and use Mr buffy’s computer. But for the weekend, I can’t hog his computer all day for two days.

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

Reading in the living room then I’ll watch the feetball in there.

Oz vs Denmark replay on NITV begins at 11:25.

Did you not get up early this morning to watch it live?

No, I stupidly thought it was on tonight :(

And back to the desktop. I think I’ll go to bed to read soon. I got the December copy of Scientific American in the mail today.

Good times … Australia through to Round 2, Labor retain power in Victoria, Car is back on forum.

dv said:

Good times … Australia through to Round 2, Labor retain power in Victoria, Car is back on forum.

and I haven’t told a joke all day.

prodrome

PRONUNCIATION:
(PROH-drohm)

MEANING:
noun: An early symptom that indicates the onset of a disease or an episode of something such as a migraine.

ETYMOLOGY:
From French prodrome (forerunner), from Latin prodromus, from Greek prodromos, from pro- (before) + dromos (running), which also gave us syndrome, hippodrome, and palindrome. Earliest documented use: 1611.

USAGE:
“Other sufferers experience a migraine prodrome — a general feeling that a migraine will strike. This usually occurs one or two hours before the headache starts.”
What’s Behind the Pain of Migraines; USA Today (McLean, Virginia); Oct 2000.

have a coastal view, smell the sea air

dv said:

Good times … Australia through to Round 2, Labor retain power in Victoria, Car is back on forum.

now car knows who is going to win.

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

Good times … Australia through to Round 2, Labor retain power in Victoria, Car is back on forum.

now car knows who is going to win.

It would be pretty hard to shield yourself from State election results.

An ex-Amazon engineer reflects on whether there are actually any uses for blockchains (Ongoing by Tim Bray)

https://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/202x/2022/11/19/AWS-Blockchain?

Witty Rejoinder said:

An ex-Amazon engineer reflects on whether there are actually any uses for blockchains (Ongoing by Tim Bray)

https://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/202x/2022/11/19/AWS-Blockchain?

Tim Bray

Timothy William Bray (born June 21, 1955) is a Canadian software developer, environmentalist, political activist and one of the co-authors of the original XML specification. He worked for Amazon Web Services from December 2014 until May 2020 when he quit due to concerns over the terminating of whistleblowers. Previously he has been employed by Google, Sun Microsystems and Digital Equipment Corporation (DEC). Bray has also founded or co-founded several start-ups such as Antarctica Systems.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Bray

The Brain Uses Calculus to Control Fast Movements

Researchers discover that to sharpen its control over precise maneuvers, the brain uses comparisons between control signals — not the signals themselves.

https://www.quantamagazine.org/the-brain-uses-calculus-to-control-fast-movements-20221128/?

Sarah the Scottish printmaker moves into her new old grand dame of a house.

sarahs mum said:

That’s a nice cosy spot with a good view. Love to sit there in the morning with a coffee.

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

That’s a nice cosy spot with a good view. Love to sit there in the morning with a coffee.

She’s got one floor as a print studio. With two windows looking over the bay.

I imagine morning strolls will be a treat. I am jealous. If you have to live in a town that’s got to be close to perfect.

Third crypto boss dies after Russian billionaire’s helicopter crashes

https://metro.co.uk/2022/11/29/russian-billionaire-dies-in-helicopter-crash-in-another-mystery-crypto-death-17845398/

Third crypto boss dies after Russian billionaire’s helicopter crashes

https://metro.co.uk/2022/11/29/russian-billionaire-dies-in-helicopter-crash-in-another-mystery-crypto-death-17845398/

December 1938
Children from the Homeless Children’s Aid and Adoption Society Home at Leytonstone, London
Credit & Photo by GETTY IMAGE

sarahs mum said:

December 1938
Children from the Homeless Children’s Aid and Adoption Society Home at Leytonstone, London
Credit & Photo by GETTY IMAGE

The shit that used to happen before child labour laws came into place.

sibeen said:

sarahs mum said:

December 1938
Children from the Homeless Children’s Aid and Adoption Society Home at Leytonstone, London
Credit & Photo by GETTY IMAGE

The shit that used to happen before child labour laws came into place.

used to go through leytonstone on the tube to london.

Taser, Tom Swift and His Electric Rifle

nazis vs taxis.

burp take that

to coffee or not coffee, will it be a question

sarahs mum

if i’m still on your list on that popular social media platform can you maybe find me check nothing dodgy in there on my page, I not been in there for a thousand years, haven’t had a phone to get a verification code to even get in

shouldn’t be much visible if remember

if want, no bother, don’t trouble

transition said:

sarahs mum

if i’m still on your list on that popular social media platform can you maybe find me check nothing dodgy in there on my page, I not been in there for a thousand years, haven’t had a phone to get a verification code to even get in

shouldn’t be much visible if remember

if want, no bother, don’t trouble

all looks normal. and quiet.

sarahs mum said:

transition said:

sarahs mum

if i’m still on your list on that popular social media platform can you maybe find me check nothing dodgy in there on my page, I not been in there for a thousand years, haven’t had a phone to get a verification code to even get in

shouldn’t be much visible if remember

if want, no bother, don’t trouble

all looks normal. and quiet.

that’s good, and I thank you

hug for you

and I brushes teeth and goes bed

Another day.

So far this week I have thrown the 2 old bird cages into the dumpster. Well, dragged them over and lifted/pushed them through the door. The bloody thing is so noisy when you walk in it. I have until the end of December to fill it up.

Today I need to do housework after a day out yesterday to meet a new health professional.

My previous one has a staff member/daughter who is a sour manipulative bitch. Numerous times over the period of a month I requested my medical records release form be posted or emailed to me, so my files could be transferred to the new medical office. Nothing happened. Another person said she had posted them. Never arrived. I’m not the only one who has experienced the daughter’s unprofessional behaviour.

kii said:

Another day.

So far this week I have thrown the 2 old bird cages into the dumpster. Well, dragged them over and lifted/pushed them through the door. The bloody thing is so noisy when you walk in it. I have until the end of December to fill it up.

Today I need to do housework after a day out yesterday to meet a new health professional.

My previous one has a staff member/daughter who is a sour manipulative bitch. Numerous times over the period of a month I requested my medical records release form be posted or emailed to me, so my files could be transferred to the new medical office. Nothing happened. Another person said she had posted them. Never arrived. I’m not the only one who has experienced the daughter’s unprofessional behaviour.

Well that’s fucked

dv said:

kii said:

Another day.

So far this week I have thrown the 2 old bird cages into the dumpster. Well, dragged them over and lifted/pushed them through the door. The bloody thing is so noisy when you walk in it. I have until the end of December to fill it up.

Today I need to do housework after a day out yesterday to meet a new health professional.

My previous one has a staff member/daughter who is a sour manipulative bitch. Numerous times over the period of a month I requested my medical records release form be posted or emailed to me, so my files could be transferred to the new medical office. Nothing happened. Another person said she had posted them. Never arrived. I’m not the only one who has experienced the daughter’s unprofessional behaviour.

Well that’s fucked

I’ll tell them you said that.

kii said:

Another day.

So far this week I have thrown the 2 old bird cages into the dumpster. Well, dragged them over and lifted/pushed them through the door. The bloody thing is so noisy when you walk in it. I have until the end of December to fill it up.

Today I need to do housework after a day out yesterday to meet a new health professional.

My previous one has a staff member/daughter who is a sour manipulative bitch. Numerous times over the period of a month I requested my medical records release form be posted or emailed to me, so my files could be transferred to the new medical office. Nothing happened. Another person said she had posted them. Never arrived. I’m not the only one who has experienced the daughter’s unprofessional behaviour.

:(

I went to the doctor. She has it down so I bypass reception. My BP is good. I had another blood test.

sarahs mum said:

kii said:

Another day.

So far this week I have thrown the 2 old bird cages into the dumpster. Well, dragged them over and lifted/pushed them through the door. The bloody thing is so noisy when you walk in it. I have until the end of December to fill it up.

Today I need to do housework after a day out yesterday to meet a new health professional.

My previous one has a staff member/daughter who is a sour manipulative bitch. Numerous times over the period of a month I requested my medical records release form be posted or emailed to me, so my files could be transferred to the new medical office. Nothing happened. Another person said she had posted them. Never arrived. I’m not the only one who has experienced the daughter’s unprofessional behaviour.

:(

I went to the doctor. She has it down so I bypass reception. My BP is good. I had another blood test.

I really hate to fill in forms at the doctor’s. Luckily I managed to do most of it online prior to my appointment, but a glitch prevented some info getting recorded.
My BP was good, weight is bad (sitting and staring at the tv is bad for me apparently – grief loves the numbing balm of televised images), I need to have a blood test.

Now if I can maintain this focus of dealing with my health I can follow through on two upcoming appointments for vaccinations and teeth. Then I might be able to actually get my eyes tested for new glasses instead of making and cancelling appointments.

Gawd I feel old :/

kii said:

sarahs mum said:

kii said:

Another day.

So far this week I have thrown the 2 old bird cages into the dumpster. Well, dragged them over and lifted/pushed them through the door. The bloody thing is so noisy when you walk in it. I have until the end of December to fill it up.

Today I need to do housework after a day out yesterday to meet a new health professional.

My previous one has a staff member/daughter who is a sour manipulative bitch. Numerous times over the period of a month I requested my medical records release form be posted or emailed to me, so my files could be transferred to the new medical office. Nothing happened. Another person said she had posted them. Never arrived. I’m not the only one who has experienced the daughter’s unprofessional behaviour.

:(

I went to the doctor. She has it down so I bypass reception. My BP is good. I had another blood test.

I really hate to fill in forms at the doctor’s. Luckily I managed to do most of it online prior to my appointment, but a glitch prevented some info getting recorded.
My BP was good, weight is bad (sitting and staring at the tv is bad for me apparently – grief loves the numbing balm of televised images), I need to have a blood test.

Now if I can maintain this focus of dealing with my health I can follow through on two upcoming appointments for vaccinations and teeth. Then I might be able to actually get my eyes tested for new glasses instead of making and cancelling appointments.

Gawd I feel old :/

I hate forms in general. Luckily no one has weighed me and I don’t have mirrors everywhere. I seem to have given up on the optometrist and just get stronger readers when necessary.

I also feel old.

sarahs mum said:

kii said:

sarahs mum said:

:(

I went to the doctor. She has it down so I bypass reception. My BP is good. I had another blood test.

I really hate to fill in forms at the doctor’s. Luckily I managed to do most of it online prior to my appointment, but a glitch prevented some info getting recorded.
My BP was good, weight is bad (sitting and staring at the tv is bad for me apparently – grief loves the numbing balm of televised images), I need to have a blood test.

Now if I can maintain this focus of dealing with my health I can follow through on two upcoming appointments for vaccinations and teeth. Then I might be able to actually get my eyes tested for new glasses instead of making and cancelling appointments.

Gawd I feel old :/

I hate forms in general. Luckily no one has weighed me and I don’t have mirrors everywhere. I seem to have given up on the optometrist and just get stronger readers when necessary.

I also feel old.

we have common ground.

sarahs mum said:

sarahs mum said:

kii said:

I really hate to fill in forms at the doctor’s. Luckily I managed to do most of it online prior to my appointment, but a glitch prevented some info getting recorded.
My BP was good, weight is bad (sitting and staring at the tv is bad for me apparently – grief loves the numbing balm of televised images), I need to have a blood test.

Now if I can maintain this focus of dealing with my health I can follow through on two upcoming appointments for vaccinations and teeth. Then I might be able to actually get my eyes tested for new glasses instead of making and cancelling appointments.

Gawd I feel old :/

I hate forms in general. Luckily no one has weighed me and I don’t have mirrors everywhere. I seem to have given up on the optometrist and just get stronger readers when necessary.

I also feel old.

we have common ground.

It sucks, being 65 and feeling every damn year of it. One thing about working at the bookstore I stayed very active and felt a lot younger than my years – I worked with many college-age kids, which also helped. Then I damaged my knee, quit my job and had severe anxiety from the political/social situation here. Slowly downhill until mr kii died, now I am full speed ahead :/
Fuck it.

kii said:

sarahs mum said:

sarahs mum said:

I hate forms in general. Luckily no one has weighed me and I don’t have mirrors everywhere. I seem to have given up on the optometrist and just get stronger readers when necessary.

I also feel old.

we have common ground.

It sucks, being 65 and feeling every damn year of it. One thing about working at the bookstore I stayed very active and felt a lot younger than my years – I worked with many college-age kids, which also helped. Then I damaged my knee, quit my job and had severe anxiety from the political/social situation here. Slowly downhill until mr kii died, now I am full speed ahead :/
Fuck it.

being alone is fucked.

sarahs mum said:

kii said:

sarahs mum said:

we have common ground.

It sucks, being 65 and feeling every damn year of it. One thing about working at the bookstore I stayed very active and felt a lot younger than my years – I worked with many college-age kids, which also helped. Then I damaged my knee, quit my job and had severe anxiety from the political/social situation here. Slowly downhill until mr kii died, now I am full speed ahead :/
Fuck it.

being alone is fucked.

Yep, I am so glad to have Gracie and Sally The Cat to keep me company. Without them I’d go for days not talking or keeping a routine.

kii said:

sarahs mum said:

kii said:

It sucks, being 65 and feeling every damn year of it. One thing about working at the bookstore I stayed very active and felt a lot younger than my years – I worked with many college-age kids, which also helped. Then I damaged my knee, quit my job and had severe anxiety from the political/social situation here. Slowly downhill until mr kii died, now I am full speed ahead :/
Fuck it.

being alone is fucked.

Yep, I am so glad to have Gracie and Sally The Cat to keep me company. Without them I’d go for days not talking or keeping a routine.

true enough.

Stop listening to sad songs, kii. Go put a load of laundry on and clean out the litter tray.

Melissa Highsmith was only a baby when she was kidnapped from her Texas home in 1971. Her disappearance launched a decades long search with no solid leads until now, thanks to a DNA kit. The family has been reunited with the woman they last saw as a toddler.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lovosx0_0z0

I has noodles, now coffee and sweet biscuits

yummy

Good morning Holidayers. Presently 5 degrees, clear sky, no wind. We are forecast a sunny 24 degrees. Tomorrow is forecast 30 and Sunday 33 degrees. That is going to feel hot.

I intend to do more of the weeding today that was interrupted by drizzle yesterday. And the maaring that was likewise put off. I may also do more washing down of the weatherboards on the front of the house and putting up of some fairy lights for Christmas.

transition said:

burp take that

to coffee or not coffee, will it be a question

I never ask.

Might make some chicken stocks today.

Morning Pilgrims.
Cool with rain about in the Pearl of the South Specific this morning.

I’m really surprised I missed the naked bums but didn’t give a rat’s about the celebrity slapping.

Someone must have put up a new “This way to the egress” sign that was big enough for Mum to notice. She didn’t wake up this morning. She spent a long time being muddled, I’m pleased her mind has let her go.

buffy said:

Someone must have put up a new “This way to the egress” sign that was big enough for Mum to notice. She didn’t wake up this morning. She spent a long time being muddled, I’m pleased her mind has let her go.

Sometimes it can be a blessing that they pass. The worrying is ended.

ABC news quiz

4/10. I knew practically none of those answers.

buffy said:

ABC news quiz

4/10. I knew practically none of those answers.

8/10

kryten said:

buffy said:

ABC news quiz

4/10. I knew practically none of those answers.

8/10

9/10

JudgeMental said:

Might make some chicken stocks today.

Like, a small version of these?

Don’t let the RSPCA find out!

buffy said:

ABC news quiz

4/10. I knew practically none of those answers.

8/10

buffy said:

Someone must have put up a new “This way to the egress” sign that was big enough for Mum to notice. She didn’t wake up this morning. She spent a long time being muddled, I’m pleased her mind has let her go.

I’m sorry for your loss, buffy.

sibeen said:

buffy said:

Someone must have put up a new “This way to the egress” sign that was big enough for Mum to notice. She didn’t wake up this morning. She spent a long time being muddled, I’m pleased her mind has let her go.

I’m sorry for your loss, buffy.

Me too.

sibeen said:

buffy said:

Someone must have put up a new “This way to the egress” sign that was big enough for Mum to notice. She didn’t wake up this morning. She spent a long time being muddled, I’m pleased her mind has let her go.

I’m sorry for your loss, buffy.

+1
Take care Buffy.

Morning

Cymek said:

Morning

G’day

Bruce Lehrmann’s trial has been abandoned.

buffy said:

Someone must have put up a new “This way to the egress” sign that was big enough for Mum to notice. She didn’t wake up this morning. She spent a long time being muddled, I’m pleased her mind has let her go.

I’m sure it’s still tough. I’m glad you got a big goodbye.

on fire

Peak Warming Man said:

Bruce Lehrmann’s trial has been abandoned.

Guilt or innocence aside the behaviour of some of the politicians was terrible, do they think they are the Catholic church or something

dv said:

buffy said:

Someone must have put up a new “This way to the egress” sign that was big enough for Mum to notice. She didn’t wake up this morning. She spent a long time being muddled, I’m pleased her mind has let her go.

I’m sure it’s still tough. I’m glad you got a big goodbye.

+1

Cymek said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Bruce Lehrmann’s trial has been abandoned.

Guilt or innocence aside the behaviour of some of the politicians was terrible, do they think they are the Catholic church or something

Grace called them cowards.

I remember summer days like that, down the beach on really hot days, surfing and frolicking.
Maybe it’ll warm up after Christmas.

buffy said:

Someone must have put up a new “This way to the egress” sign that was big enough for Mum to notice. She didn’t wake up this morning. She spent a long time being muddled, I’m pleased her mind has let her go.

Beautifully said.

dv said:

on fire

Pfft..I only missed the Will Smith one.

kii said:

dv said:

on fire

Pfft..I only missed the Will Smith one.

nice

Peak Warming Man said:

Bruce Lehrmann’s trial has been abandoned.

Grrrrrr….

Peak Warming Man said:

Bruce Lehrmann’s trial has been abandoned.

ACT’s Director of Public Prosecutions has confirmed he will not pursue a retrial of accused rapist Bruce Lehrmann, citing the wellbeing and health of alleged victim Brittany Higgins. Shane Drumgold confirmed he had filed a notice this morning bringing the prosecution to an end.

“I have recently received compelling evidence from two independent medical experts that the ongoing trauma associated with this prosecution presents a significant and unacceptable risk to the life of the complainant,” he said.

diddly-squat said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Bruce Lehrmann’s trial has been abandoned.

ACT’s Director of Public Prosecutions has confirmed he will not pursue a retrial of accused rapist Bruce Lehrmann, citing the wellbeing and health of alleged victim Brittany Higgins. Shane Drumgold confirmed he had filed a notice this morning bringing the prosecution to an end.

“I have recently received compelling evidence from two independent medical experts that the ongoing trauma associated with this prosecution presents a significant and unacceptable risk to the life of the complainant,” he said.

Unusual

dv said:

diddly-squat said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Bruce Lehrmann’s trial has been abandoned.

ACT’s Director of Public Prosecutions has confirmed he will not pursue a retrial of accused rapist Bruce Lehrmann, citing the wellbeing and health of alleged victim Brittany Higgins. Shane Drumgold confirmed he had filed a notice this morning bringing the prosecution to an end.

“I have recently received compelling evidence from two independent medical experts that the ongoing trauma associated with this prosecution presents a significant and unacceptable risk to the life of the complainant,” he said.

Unusual

Probably the outcome some people would like, we did something see, but we have to think of the children complainant

dv said:

diddly-squat said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Bruce Lehrmann’s trial has been abandoned.

ACT’s Director of Public Prosecutions has confirmed he will not pursue a retrial of accused rapist Bruce Lehrmann, citing the wellbeing and health of alleged victim Brittany Higgins. Shane Drumgold confirmed he had filed a notice this morning bringing the prosecution to an end.

“I have recently received compelling evidence from two independent medical experts that the ongoing trauma associated with this prosecution presents a significant and unacceptable risk to the life of the complainant,” he said.

Unusual

I get it.. I mean I can’t imagine how hard this must be for BH, but to abandon proceedings seems extreme..

diddly-squat said:

dv said:

diddly-squat said:

ACT’s Director of Public Prosecutions has confirmed he will not pursue a retrial of accused rapist Bruce Lehrmann, citing the wellbeing and health of alleged victim Brittany Higgins. Shane Drumgold confirmed he had filed a notice this morning bringing the prosecution to an end.

“I have recently received compelling evidence from two independent medical experts that the ongoing trauma associated with this prosecution presents a significant and unacceptable risk to the life of the complainant,” he said.

Unusual

I get it.. I mean I can’t imagine how hard this must be for BH, but to abandon proceedings seems extreme..

We need more Grace Tames.

Tamb said:

sibeen said:

buffy said:

Someone must have put up a new “This way to the egress” sign that was big enough for Mum to notice. She didn’t wake up this morning. She spent a long time being muddled, I’m pleased her mind has let her go.

I’m sorry for your loss, buffy.

Me too.

Thank you people, but really Mum left about 4 or 5 years ago. I’m so pleased we made the effort to see Mum and Dad nearly every month for a couple of years before and in her early dementia stage. When it still meant something.

diddly-squat said:

dv said:

diddly-squat said:

ACT’s Director of Public Prosecutions has confirmed he will not pursue a retrial of accused rapist Bruce Lehrmann, citing the wellbeing and health of alleged victim Brittany Higgins. Shane Drumgold confirmed he had filed a notice this morning bringing the prosecution to an end.

“I have recently received compelling evidence from two independent medical experts that the ongoing trauma associated with this prosecution presents a significant and unacceptable risk to the life of the complainant,” he said.

Unusual

I get it.. I mean I can’t imagine how hard this must be for BH, but to abandon proceedings seems extreme..

Usually trials are dropped as it not in the public interest to pursue, this seems the opposite

buffy said:

Tamb said:

sibeen said:

I’m sorry for your loss, buffy.

Me too.

Thank you people, but really Mum left about 4 or 5 years ago. I’m so pleased we made the effort to see Mum and Dad nearly every month for a couple of years before and in her early dementia stage. When it still meant something.

You have been a very understanding daughter.

Cymek said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Bruce Lehrmann’s trial has been abandoned.

Guilt or innocence aside the behaviour of some of the politicians was terrible, do they think they are the Catholic church or something

And as for the juror who messed up the first trial…plenty of space for conspiracy theories there.

Cymek said:

diddly-squat said:

dv said:

Unusual

I get it.. I mean I can’t imagine how hard this must be for BH, but to abandon proceedings seems extreme..

Usually trials are dropped as it not in the public interest to pursue, this seems the opposite

The judge did use those words. The public really should be ashamed of the way so many reacted to this.

buffy said:

Cymek said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Bruce Lehrmann’s trial has been abandoned.

Guilt or innocence aside the behaviour of some of the politicians was terrible, do they think they are the Catholic church or something

And as for the juror who messed up the first trial…plenty of space for conspiracy theories there.

Indeed.

roughbarked said:

Cymek said:

diddly-squat said:

I get it.. I mean I can’t imagine how hard this must be for BH, but to abandon proceedings seems extreme..

Usually trials are dropped as it not in the public interest to pursue, this seems the opposite

The judge did use those words. The public really should be ashamed of the way so many reacted to this.

I’m not sure which radio shock jock it is that people listen to but they should be ashamed of themselves as well.

Today is the international day for people with a disabilty. So finally, a day for me.

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

Cymek said:

Guilt or innocence aside the behaviour of some of the politicians was terrible, do they think they are the Catholic church or something

And as for the juror who messed up the first trial…plenty of space for conspiracy theories there.

Indeed.

Jurors in the ACT cannot be punished for such misconduct. There is no offence available for the courts to mete out penalties to jurors who make their own inquiries about the case.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/oct/28/bruce-lehrmann-mistrial-brittany-higgins-juror-brought-other-research-papers-judge-reveals

Link

JudgeMental said:

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

And as for the juror who messed up the first trial…plenty of space for conspiracy theories there.

Indeed.

Jurors in the ACT cannot be punished for such misconduct. There is no offence available for the courts to mete out penalties to jurors who make their own inquiries about the case.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/oct/28/bruce-lehrmann-mistrial-brittany-higgins-juror-brought-other-research-papers-judge-reveals

Link

They could at least not pay them?

Australian provisional mortality stats have been released for Jan-Aug. Even if you take COVID deaths out, there is still excess mortality happening. But they have taken 2020 numbers out when calculating the averages.

“2020 is not included in the baseline for 2022 data because it included periods where numbers of deaths were significantly lower than expected.”

I’m not sure I understand why you would do this on this one and only occasion really. Does it mean that because the numbers are up a bit this year, this year should be excluded when calculating baseline for next year?

https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/health/causes-death/provisional-mortality-statistics/jan-aug-2022

Once Japan and Taiwan fall we’ll give them hell in the Owen Stanleys make no mistake.

Peak Warming Man said:

Once Japan and Taiwan fall we’ll give them hell in the Owen Stanleys make no mistake.

Looking like Bernard Woolley there

Sorry to hear your news Buffy. Best wishes for you and your family.

Day 2: Very weary so I had a good sleep in and a slight cough but no runny nose. Slight headache.

buffy said:

Someone must have put up a new “This way to the egress” sign that was big enough for Mum to notice. She didn’t wake up this morning. She spent a long time being muddled, I’m pleased her mind has let her go.

My sympathies to all her loved ones. As you say, it’s good she’s now free of the fog.

>>It is a bit uncanny.

I wonder what happened to the Uncanny Hengeman?

‘Look Out, Elon. Twitter Founder Jack Dorsey is Creating a New Social Network’

Twitter founder Jack Dorsey is creating a new social network that could rival Twitter.

https://scienceandstuff.com/look-out-elon-twitter-founder-jack-dorsey-is-creating-a-new-social-network/

Can you rustle up another $45 billion, Elon?

Greets from the Vulcan!

Good to read you all!

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41017991.html

Link

4 day work week success.

buffy said:

Tamb said:

sibeen said:

I’m sorry for your loss, buffy.

Me too.

Thank you people, but really Mum left about 4 or 5 years ago. I’m so pleased we made the effort to see Mum and Dad nearly every month for a couple of years before and in her early dementia stage. When it still meant something.

So sorry to hear of your loss buffy!

Dementia is a really tough one to deal with! It’s a grieving whilst they are still living…

roughbarked said:

Today is the international day for people with a disabilty. So finally, a day for me.

***sits next to roughbarked and nods***

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

Tamb said:

Me too.

Thank you people, but really Mum left about 4 or 5 years ago. I’m so pleased we made the effort to see Mum and Dad nearly every month for a couple of years before and in her early dementia stage. When it still meant something.

You have been a very understanding daughter.

***nods assent***

Good day to you, Ms Spock.

ms spock said:

buffy said:

Tamb said:

Me too.

Thank you people, but really Mum left about 4 or 5 years ago. I’m so pleased we made the effort to see Mum and Dad nearly every month for a couple of years before and in her early dementia stage. When it still meant something.

So sorry to hear of your loss buffy!

Dementia is a really tough one to deal with! It’s a grieving whilst they are still living…

I am going to pick a bunch of wildflowers for her coffin. She’s timed it beautifully for the blue pincushions, which are just coming out, and I think I can find some pinkfinger orchids too at the covenant. When we were children she was pretty into showing us the wildflowers.

buffy said:

ms spock said:

buffy said:

Thank you people, but really Mum left about 4 or 5 years ago. I’m so pleased we made the effort to see Mum and Dad nearly every month for a couple of years before and in her early dementia stage. When it still meant something.

So sorry to hear of your loss buffy!

Dementia is a really tough one to deal with! It’s a grieving whilst they are still living…

I am going to pick a bunch of wildflowers for her coffin. She’s timed it beautifully for the blue pincushions, which are just coming out, and I think I can find some pinkfinger orchids too at the covenant. When we were children she was pretty into showing us the wildflowers.

You had to get the passion from someone. It is a lovely thought.

buffy said:

ms spock said:

buffy said:

Thank you people, but really Mum left about 4 or 5 years ago. I’m so pleased we made the effort to see Mum and Dad nearly every month for a couple of years before and in her early dementia stage. When it still meant something.

So sorry to hear of your loss buffy!

Dementia is a really tough one to deal with! It’s a grieving whilst they are still living…

I am going to pick a bunch of wildflowers for her coffin. She’s timed it beautifully for the blue pincushions, which are just coming out, and I think I can find some pinkfinger orchids too at the covenant. When we were children she was pretty into showing us the wildflowers.

You were so lucky to have a mother that was pretty into showing you the wildflowers! Wow buffy, that is a beautiful way to commerate your mother. I will look forward to seeing what you come up with, if you wish to share and if not I understand it is a really personal time.

Biggest hugs buffy…

roughbarked said:

Good day to you, Ms Spock.

Great to read you roughbarked!

ms spock said:

roughbarked said:

Good day to you, Ms Spock.

Great to read you roughbarked!

Thankye. My mother immparted her knowledge of wildflowers to myself as well.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Day 2: Very weary so I had a good sleep in and a slight cough but no runny nose. Slight headache.

You got something?

roughbarked said:

ms spock said:

roughbarked said:

Good day to you, Ms Spock.

Great to read you roughbarked!

Thankye. My mother immparted her knowledge of wildflowers to myself as well.

Oh roughbarked that is great that your mother also imparted her knowledge of wildflowers to you! What a gift to receive!

dv said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Day 2: Very weary so I had a good sleep in and a slight cough but no runny nose. Slight headache.

You got something?

Tested positive to Covid yesterday.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Day 2: Very weary so I had a good sleep in and a slight cough but no runny nose. Slight headache.

Sounds unpleasant but bearable, good going.

captain_spalding said:

‘Look Out, Elon. Twitter Founder Jack Dorsey is Creating a New Social Network’

Twitter founder Jack Dorsey is creating a new social network that could rival Twitter.

https://scienceandstuff.com/look-out-elon-twitter-founder-jack-dorsey-is-creating-a-new-social-network/

Can you rustle up another $45 billion, Elon?

I mean he can just hire the key people who left Twitter

How’s life going your end, ms spock?

Bubblecar said:

How’s life going your end, ms spock?

That was my next question. :)

Witty Rejoinder said:

dv said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Day 2: Very weary so I had a good sleep in and a slight cough but no runny nose. Slight headache.

You got something?

Tested positive to Covid yesterday.

Get well soon

Witty Rejoinder said:

dv said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Day 2: Very weary so I had a good sleep in and a slight cough but no runny nose. Slight headache.

You got something?

Tested positive to Covid yesterday.

Bummer Witty Rejoinder!

ms spock said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

dv said:

You got something?

Tested positive to Covid yesterday.

Bummer Witty Rejoinder!

My first time. Not one of the cool kids who try everything first.

Bubblecar said:

How’s life going your end, ms spock?

Hello Mr Car!

Glad to be reading you!

Bit weary of the craziness re Covid, Climate Change, the psychos in Australian and US politics as I imagine everyone is. Looking forward to some (hopefully) impending sanity.

Enjoying Prof Raina MacIntyre’s comments, the chickens, nature coming back when planted out with species indigneous to the local area. The insects come back quicker than expected. I have been catching up on a couple of threads and folks on the Holiday Forum are so funny!

How are things on your end Mr Car?

ms spock said:

Bubblecar said:

How’s life going your end, ms spock?

Hello Mr Car!

Glad to be reading you!

Bit weary of the craziness re Covid, Climate Change, the psychos in Australian and US politics as I imagine everyone is. Looking forward to some (hopefully) impending sanity.

Enjoying Prof Raina MacIntyre’s comments, the chickens, nature coming back when planted out with species indigneous to the local area. The insects come back quicker than expected. I have been catching up on a couple of threads and folks on the Holiday Forum are so funny!

How are things on your end Mr Car?

Wish I had a nice big garden like the old days :)

I’m going well, apart from some kind of skin cancer on my right forearm, which I’m seeing the doc about next week.

Witty Rejoinder said:

ms spock said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Tested positive to Covid yesterday.

Bummer Witty Rejoinder!

My first time. Not one of the cool kids who try everything first.

You have done extremely well to avoid it thus far!

Bubblecar said:

ms spock said:

Bubblecar said:

How’s life going your end, ms spock?

Hello Mr Car!

Glad to be reading you!

Bit weary of the craziness re Covid, Climate Change, the psychos in Australian and US politics as I imagine everyone is. Looking forward to some (hopefully) impending sanity.

Enjoying Prof Raina MacIntyre’s comments, the chickens, nature coming back when planted out with species indigneous to the local area. The insects come back quicker than expected. I have been catching up on a couple of threads and folks on the Holiday Forum are so funny!

How are things on your end Mr Car?

Wish I had a nice big garden like the old days :)

I’m going well, apart from some kind of skin cancer on my right forearm, which I’m seeing the doc about next week.

:) I wish it too re nice big garden of the old days.

Glad you are seeing the doc about you skin cancer next week!

and STAY OUT!

https://twitter.com/weirdlilguys/status/1597593723877081089?

ms spock said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

ms spock said:

Bummer Witty Rejoinder!

My first time. Not one of the cool kids who try everything first.

You have done extremely well to avoid it thus far!

Have you got an oxyimeter Witty Rejoinder?

ms spock said:

ms spock said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

My first time. Not one of the cool kids who try everything first.

You have done extremely well to avoid it thus far!

Have you got an oxyimeter Witty Rejoinder?

No.

Witty Rejoinder said:

ms spock said:

ms spock said:

You have done extremely well to avoid it thus far!

Have you got an oxyimeter Witty Rejoinder?

No.

If you were close by I would drop you a spare one in your letter box.

ms spock said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

ms spock said:

Have you got an oxyimeter Witty Rejoinder?

No.

If you were close by I would drop you a spare one in your letter box.

I’m not really familiar with this device but you can rest assured that I will monitor my symptoms and seek medical attention if they deteriorate.

North-Eastern Tiers Tasmania. Been there and moved carefully through the ancient vegetation. It is a magical place.

Torres Del Paine National Park, Patagonia, Chile.

PermeateFree said:

North-Eastern Tiers Tasmania. Been there and moved carefully through the ancient vegetation. It is a magical place.

Wow!

Model maker Dave with his model of a typical Aussie corner shop of the 1960s.

ms spock said:

PermeateFree said:

North-Eastern Tiers Tasmania. Been there and moved carefully through the ancient vegetation. It is a magical place.

Wow!

Yes. WOW!

PermeateFree said:

Torres Del Paine National Park, Patagonia, Chile.

Lovely but it looks Chilly.

Full cream cow’s milk with three heaped tea sppons of milo.
Over.

Peak Warming Man said:

Full cream cow’s milk with three heaped tea sppons of milo.
Over.

I use desert spoons. It’s milo, not tea.