We probably should have a new one. I’ll bring this link in here because before I put it into Chat.
https://theconversation.com/did-swedens-controversial-covid-strategy-pay-off-in-many-ways-it-did-but-it-let-the-elderly-down-188338
The updated map shows clear regional trends. North Eastern Europe a blowout over 2000 except for Belarus. South Eastern Europe mostly over 3000, with Albania and Kosovo being the outliers. I suppose Ireland could be considered the outlier in Western Europe broadly defined? Low counts in Scandinavia except for Sweden. Turkey curiously low. I suppose part of it is still dependent of testing and reporting regimes.
The months whizz by.
buffy said:
We probably should have a new one. I’ll bring this link in here because before I put it into Chat.https://theconversation.com/did-swedens-controversial-covid-strategy-pay-off-in-many-ways-it-did-but-it-let-the-elderly-down-188338
swedenormal
I do know it’s difficult to go anywhere and wear a mask these days without looking like a freak, feeling like one, consequently any entry to a shop is a maskless affair, considerable risk of infection just swapping air in a supermarket, service station, post office, whatever
and it’s not like a person can hold their breath
but whatever, part the plague dimension of liberty that people inhabit, the operating space, not a little indifference makes good the business
transition said:
buffy said:
We probably should have a new one. I’ll bring this link in here because before I put it into Chat.https://theconversation.com/did-swedens-controversial-covid-strategy-pay-off-in-many-ways-it-did-but-it-let-the-elderly-down-188338
swedenormal
I do know it’s difficult to go anywhere and wear a mask these days without looking like a freak, feeling like one, consequently any entry to a shop is a maskless affair, considerable risk of infection just swapping air in a supermarket, service station, post office, whatever
and it’s not like a person can hold their breath
but whatever, part the plague dimension of liberty that people inhabit, the operating space, not a little indifference makes good the business
I don’t feel like a freak wearing a mask. I’m still masked up in public.
sarahs mum said:
transition said:
buffy said:
We probably should have a new one. I’ll bring this link in here because before I put it into Chat.https://theconversation.com/did-swedens-controversial-covid-strategy-pay-off-in-many-ways-it-did-but-it-let-the-elderly-down-188338
swedenormal
I do know it’s difficult to go anywhere and wear a mask these days without looking like a freak, feeling like one, consequently any entry to a shop is a maskless affair, considerable risk of infection just swapping air in a supermarket, service station, post office, whatever
and it’s not like a person can hold their breath
but whatever, part the plague dimension of liberty that people inhabit, the operating space, not a little indifference makes good the business
I don’t feel like a freak wearing a mask. I’m still masked up in public.
just conveying the feel of it in this part the world, might as well wear a tinfoil hat
not that i’m complaining or expect any different
who wants be fanatical about avoiding swapping air to an isolation level that would stop covid spreading and evolving and spreading and evolving
sarahs mum said:
transition said:
buffy said:
We probably should have a new one. I’ll bring this link in here because before I put it into Chat.https://theconversation.com/did-swedens-controversial-covid-strategy-pay-off-in-many-ways-it-did-but-it-let-the-elderly-down-188338
swedenormal
I do know it’s difficult to go anywhere and wear a mask these days without looking like a freak, feeling like one, consequently any entry to a shop is a maskless affair, considerable risk of infection just swapping air in a supermarket, service station, post office, whatever
and it’s not like a person can hold their breath
but whatever, part the plague dimension of liberty that people inhabit, the operating space, not a little indifference makes good the business
I don’t feel like a freak wearing a mask. I’m still masked up in public.
Hey, sm, I wore my N95 in the supermarket this evening.
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
transition said:swedenormal
I do know it’s difficult to go anywhere and wear a mask these days without looking like a freak, feeling like one, consequently any entry to a shop is a maskless affair, considerable risk of infection just swapping air in a supermarket, service station, post office, whatever
and it’s not like a person can hold their breath
but whatever, part the plague dimension of liberty that people inhabit, the operating space, not a little indifference makes good the business
I don’t feel like a freak wearing a mask. I’m still masked up in public.
Hey, sm, I wore my N95 in the supermarket this evening.
luck you don’t live out in the country
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
transition said:swedenormal
I do know it’s difficult to go anywhere and wear a mask these days without looking like a freak, feeling like one, consequently any entry to a shop is a maskless affair, considerable risk of infection just swapping air in a supermarket, service station, post office, whatever
and it’s not like a person can hold their breath
but whatever, part the plague dimension of liberty that people inhabit, the operating space, not a little indifference makes good the business
I don’t feel like a freak wearing a mask. I’m still masked up in public.
Hey, sm, I wore my N95 in the supermarket this evening.
I wore my not as good as N95 in the supermarket today too.
ahahahahahahaha
shear wave elastography (SWE) suggests that liver stiffness, a marker of fibrosis, increases in patients with a history of COVID-19 infection, according to a study presented at the Radiological Society of North America (RSNA) 2022 Annual Meeting. Elevated transaminases in patients with COVID-19 suggest the presence of liver injury during acute infection, but whether this liver injury leads to lasting liver damage remains unknown. To identify lasting hepatic injury, Dr. Heidari and colleagues compared liver stiffness on ultrasound SWE in patients with a history of COVID-19 infection to that of healthy controls.
COVID-19 infection was associated with an average increase in the median Young’s modulus of 1.71 kPa. The COVID-19 positive group had a higher median liver stiffness (7.68 kPa) in comparison to the pandemic control group (5.99 kPa). The pre-pandemic control group had a median liver stiffness of 7.01 kPa. “The trend of declining liver stiffness among controls is not completely understood but it may be a consequence of changing referral patterns” during the COVID-19 pandemic, said Heidari and colleagues. They also noted that patients referred for ultrasound SWE before the pandemic were older than those referred after the start
buffy said:
We probably should have a new one. I’ll bring this link in here because before I put it into Chat.https://theconversation.com/did-swedens-controversial-covid-strategy-pay-off-in-many-ways-it-did-but-it-let-the-elderly-down-188338
Thanks for that link.
> As much of the world shut down early in the COVID pandemic, Sweden remained open.
> During spring 2020, the reported COVID death rate in Sweden was among the highest in the world.#
Speaks for itself.
In Communist Jacindaland, Slavery Is Most Important
No matter what your world view or argument is you’ll always find heaps of stuff on the interweb to support it.
Prommask antimask provax antivax promite antimite etc.
There’s something there for all of us.
Peak Warming Man said:
No matter what your world view or argument is you’ll always find heaps of stuff on the interweb to support it.
Prommask antimask provax antivax promite antimite etc.
There’s something there for all of us.
imagine critical thinking
Peak Warming Man said:
No matter what your world view or argument is you’ll always find heaps of stuff on the interweb to support it.
Prommask antimask provax antivax promite antimite etc.
There’s something there for all of us.
Tamb said:
Peak Warming Man said:
No matter what your world view or argument is you’ll always find heaps of stuff on the interweb to support it.
Prommask antimask provax antivax promite antimite etc.
There’s something there for all of us.
And some of it is factual.
proof that actuaries don’t know statistics
or anything at all
LOL
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/30/why-long-covid-could-be-the-next-public-health-disaster.html
oh wait
BUY BUY BUY ¡
mollwollfumble said:
buffy said:
We probably should have a new one. I’ll bring this link in here because before I put it into Chat.https://theconversation.com/did-swedens-controversial-covid-strategy-pay-off-in-many-ways-it-did-but-it-let-the-elderly-down-188338
Thanks for that link.
> As much of the world shut down early in the COVID pandemic, Sweden remained open.
> During spring 2020, the reported COVID death rate in Sweden was among the highest in the world.#Speaks for itself.
Professor Raina MacIntyre writes about the involuntary euthanasia of the elderly, in Sweden, they were given morphine and not oxygen. It was in The Saturday Paper.
ms spock said:
mollwollfumble said:
buffy said:
We probably should have a new one. I’ll bring this link in here because before I put it into Chat.https://theconversation.com/did-swedens-controversial-covid-strategy-pay-off-in-many-ways-it-did-but-it-let-the-elderly-down-188338
Thanks for that link.
> As much of the world shut down early in the COVID pandemic, Sweden remained open.
> During spring 2020, the reported COVID death rate in Sweden was among the highest in the world.#Speaks for itself.
Professor Raina MacIntyre writes about the involuntary euthanasia of the elderly, in Sweden, they were given morphine and not oxygen. It was in The Saturday Paper.
did the Economy Must Grow though
SCIENCE said:
ms spock said:
mollwollfumble said:Thanks for that link.
> As much of the world shut down early in the COVID pandemic, Sweden remained open.
> During spring 2020, the reported COVID death rate in Sweden was among the highest in the world.#Speaks for itself.
Professor Raina MacIntyre writes about the involuntary euthanasia of the elderly, in Sweden, they were given morphine and not oxygen. It was in The Saturday Paper.
did the Economy Must Grow though
Yes though folks who can do Maths seem to not have a problem with mitigations.
https://theconversation.com/why-most-economists-continue-to-back-lockdowns-164239
ms spock said:
SCIENCE said:
ms spock said:Professor Raina MacIntyre writes about the involuntary euthanasia of the elderly, in Sweden, they were given morphine and not oxygen. It was in The Saturday Paper.
did the Economy Must Grow though
Yes though folks who can do Maths seem to not have a problem with mitigations.
https://theconversation.com/why-most-economists-continue-to-back-lockdowns-164239
Certainly saves a lot for their state funded retirement costs.
Covids gone mental in the Styx again; Lagevrio went out of stock at a few wholesalers for a few days.
poikilotherm said:
Covids gone mental in the Styx again; Lagevrio went out of stock at a few wholesalers for a few days.
Never heard of it, had to look it up.
Peak Warming Man said:
poikilotherm said:
Covids gone mental in the Styx again; Lagevrio went out of stock at a few wholesalers for a few days.
Never heard of it, had to look it up.
At your age you probably should have…(there’s also Paxlovid)
Anti-vaxxer nurse who injected up to 8,600 patients with saline instead of Covid vaccine walks free
Story by Christian Oliver For Mailonline • 20h ago
An anti-vaxxer nurse who injected up to 8,600 elderly people with saline solution instead of a Covid-19 vaccine has walked free from court.
Red Cross nurse Antje T, 39, jabbed thousands of elderly patients at a vaccine centre in Germany with what she told them was the BioNTech Pfizer vaccine but was just a saltwater solution.
The nurse, who administered the fake vaccines at the Schortens jab centre in Friesland, northwest Germany, was given just six months on probation.
She was found guilty of six counts of intentional assault by Oldenburg District Court, Lower Saxony state, on November 30.
Defendant Antje T, 39, is pictured during the trial at Oldenburg District Court, Lower Saxony, on November 30. She was sentenced to probation for jabbing people with saline solution
Antje T jabbed up to 8,600 patients who were mainly hospital employees, educators and doctors above the age of 70 between March 5 and April 2021, leaving them with no protection against the deadly virus.
Police told the court that she was able to introduce the saline solution undetected, because she was in charge of vaccine and syringe preparation during her shift at the vaccination centre.
But after more than a month she was reported by another employee who saw her use the saline solution instead of the vaccine on six patients on April 21, 2021.
The 39-year-old had additionally posted several social media posts where she openly emphasized her skeptical views regarding COVID-19 vaccines.
When questioned by police, she admitted to using saline solution but had said she only did it because she had accidentally broken a vial containing six shots and was ashamed to tell her colleagues.
She had also claimed that it was a one-time incident, but was immediately sacked after antibody tests that were carried out on the affected people confirmed authorities’ suspicions.
The nurse, who administered the fake vaccines at the Schortens jab centre in Friesland (pictured), northwest Germany, was given just six months on probation
In addition, Antje T’s licence to work as a nurse has been revoked, media reported.
Following the incident, state authorities urged the fraud victims to register for revaccination and emphasised that it is completely safe.
Antje T in turn was initially charged with 15 counts of intentional assault at the beginning of the trial in November 2022, but nine of them were dropped due to no evidence.
Court spokesperson Torben Toelle said that the prosecutor found evidence that six syringes were changed for saline, leading to the charges, but that they expect this was done to many more.
During the trial on November 30, the shamed nurse apologised in court.
Concerning the defendant’s anti-vaxxer posts on social media, Toelle added: ‘The accused had shared various conspiracy theories on the Internet and on social media.
‘However, the chamber could not determine with the necessary certainty that this set of ideas was the motive for her actions and that she then acted to sabotage a vaccination campaign.’
The verdict can reportedly be appealed within a week.
monkey skipper said:
Anti-vaxxer nurse who injected up to 8,600 patients with saline instead of Covid vaccine walks free
Story by Christian Oliver For Mailonline • 20h agoAn anti-vaxxer nurse who injected up to 8,600 elderly people with saline solution instead of a Covid-19 vaccine has walked free from court.
Red Cross nurse Antje T, 39, jabbed thousands of elderly patients at a vaccine centre in Germany with what she told them was the BioNTech Pfizer vaccine but was just a saltwater solution.
The nurse, who administered the fake vaccines at the Schortens jab centre in Friesland, northwest Germany, was given just six months on probation.
She was found guilty of six counts of intentional assault by Oldenburg District Court, Lower Saxony state, on November 30.
Defendant Antje T, 39, is pictured during the trial at Oldenburg District Court, Lower Saxony, on November 30. She was sentenced to probation for jabbing people with saline solution
Antje T jabbed up to 8,600 patients who were mainly hospital employees, educators and doctors above the age of 70 between March 5 and April 2021, leaving them with no protection against the deadly virus.
Police told the court that she was able to introduce the saline solution undetected, because she was in charge of vaccine and syringe preparation during her shift at the vaccination centre.
But after more than a month she was reported by another employee who saw her use the saline solution instead of the vaccine on six patients on April 21, 2021.
The 39-year-old had additionally posted several social media posts where she openly emphasized her skeptical views regarding COVID-19 vaccines.
When questioned by police, she admitted to using saline solution but had said she only did it because she had accidentally broken a vial containing six shots and was ashamed to tell her colleagues.
She had also claimed that it was a one-time incident, but was immediately sacked after antibody tests that were carried out on the affected people confirmed authorities’ suspicions.
The nurse, who administered the fake vaccines at the Schortens jab centre in Friesland (pictured), northwest Germany, was given just six months on probation
In addition, Antje T’s licence to work as a nurse has been revoked, media reported.
Following the incident, state authorities urged the fraud victims to register for revaccination and emphasised that it is completely safe.
Antje T in turn was initially charged with 15 counts of intentional assault at the beginning of the trial in November 2022, but nine of them were dropped due to no evidence.
Court spokesperson Torben Toelle said that the prosecutor found evidence that six syringes were changed for saline, leading to the charges, but that they expect this was done to many more.
During the trial on November 30, the shamed nurse apologised in court.
Concerning the defendant’s anti-vaxxer posts on social media, Toelle added: ‘The accused had shared various conspiracy theories on the Internet and on social media.
‘However, the chamber could not determine with the necessary certainty that this set of ideas was the motive for her actions and that she then acted to sabotage a vaccination campaign.’
The verdict can reportedly be appealed within a week.
what a selfish woman imposing her choice in such a way ….feckity feck feck ,…. she says
poikilotherm said:
Peak Warming Man said:
poikilotherm said:
Covids gone mental in the Styx again; Lagevrio went out of stock at a few wholesalers for a few days.
Never heard of it, had to look it up.
At your age you probably should have…(there’s also Paxlovid)
next question do they work
communists
SCIENCE said:
We’re “only” suffering about 10 covid deaths per day
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
We’re “only” suffering about 10 covid deaths per day
¡ luckily we have death debt !
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/12/01/how-covid-has-changed-life-insurance-underwriting.html
Consumer advocate Brendan Bridgeland, policy director and staff attorney at the Center for Insurance Research, has noticed Covid questions appearing on life insurance applications since the beginning of the pandemic and expects more in the future. For example, some companies ask questions about your history of testing positive for the disease and if you have a current diagnosis.
Nearly 8 million kids lost a parent or primary caregiver to the pandemic
A new international study estimates that from January 1, 2020, to May, 1, 2022, nearly 8 million kids age 18 and under lost a parent or primary caregiver to a pandemic-related cause. When the researchers included the deaths of secondary caregivers like grandparents or other older relatives, the number of kids affected rose to 10.5 million.
“This enormous bereavement is an economic loss,” explains Lorraine Sherr, a psychologist at the University College London, and a member of the Global Reference Group, who wasn’t involved in the latest estimates.
That’s especially true when the parent or primary caregiver who died was the main breadwinner in the family. A family’s loss of income can put kids at a higher risk of food and housing insecurity.
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2022/09/06/1121254016/nearly-8-million-kids-lost-a-parent-or-primary-caregiver-to-the-pandemic
The UK has an interesting outbreak, whether it’s mostly Strep A that is taking advantage in a school that has had roughly four waves of Covid through it’s students. Or a Strep A and Covid co-infection, so far six students have died and it is spreading to other schools in the Surrey area. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
https://twitter.com/EnemyInAState/status/1598754137650253824
ms spock said:
The UK has an interesting outbreak, whether it’s mostly Strep A that is taking advantage in a school that has had roughly four waves of Covid through it’s students. Or a Strep A and Covid co-infection, so far six students have died and it is spreading to other schools in the Surrey area. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.https://twitter.com/EnemyInAState/status/1598754137650253824
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-02/covid-19-news-case-numbers-states-territories-december-2/101726428
Michael V said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-02/covid-19-news-case-numbers-states-territories-december-2/101726428
I read that
covidnormal progressing well, the broadcaster broadcasting, broadcasting the good news of progress
they all over the susceptibles I sees down lower, goodoh
gets us a bit of the US liberty religion, all helps with the good work of the moral species
it was the dogs
SCIENCE said:
it was the dogs
and so’t is revealed, the usual invisible work of the immune system, and of the ‘fittest’ who barely experience it, those that barely experience it plugged into their brains, they make the rules, govern the overlay of notions and ideas, all the miniature ideologies in every third word you read and use, and all between that joins them, the joining words and spaces too
and of the spaces, lost are the spaces
thou shalt not ponder homeostasis, the milieu interieur
transition said:
SCIENCE said:it was the dogs
and so’t is revealed, the usual invisible work of the immune system, and of the ‘fittest’ who barely experience it, those that barely experience it plugged into their brains, they make the rules, govern the overlay of notions and ideas, all the miniature ideologies in every third word you read and use, and all between that joins them, the joining words and spaces too
and of the spaces, lost are the spaces
thou shalt not ponder homeostasis, the milieu interieur
Surely it was the lockdowns then, the lockdowns caused all the bacteria to go nuts.
SCIENCE said:
transition said:
SCIENCE said:
it was the dogs
and so’t is revealed, the usual invisible work of the immune system, and of the ‘fittest’ who barely experience it, those that barely experience it plugged into their brains, they make the rules, govern the overlay of notions and ideas, all the miniature ideologies in every third word you read and use, and all between that joins them, the joining words and spaces too
and of the spaces, lost are the spaces
thou shalt not ponder homeostasis, the milieu interieur
Surely it was the lockdowns then, the lockdowns caused all the bacteria to go nuts.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S221300712100006X
SCIENCE said:
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
transition said:
and so’t is revealed, the usual invisible work of the immune system, and of the ‘fittest’ who barely experience it, those that barely experience it plugged into their brains, they make the rules, govern the overlay of notions and ideas, all the miniature ideologies in every third word you read and use, and all between that joins them, the joining words and spaces too
and of the spaces, lost are the spaces
thou shalt not ponder homeostasis, the milieu interieur
Surely it was the lockdowns then, the lockdowns caused all the bacteria to go nuts.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S221300712100006X
Lockdown promoting the development of active tuberculosis in a patient
ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
https://www.capitaldaily.ca/news/island-health-quietly-declares-rare-bacterial-infection-outbreak
The Vancouver Island health region has seen a sharp increase in a bacterial infection over the past two months—one that was all but eradicated over the past decade. Island Health told Capital Daily there have been eight confirmed cases of Haemophilus influenza type B (Hib) disease in Victoria, Nanaimo, and Parksville since late 2021, and one person has died.
ahahahahahaha
Covid deaths around the world are pretty stable. In most countries.
But peak covid deaths way less than earlier times, up to the start of omicron, when the peak was more than 10 in all countries for well over a year.
mollwollfumble said:
Covid deaths around the world are pretty stable. In most countries.
But peak covid deaths way less than earlier times, up to the start of omicron, when the peak was more than 10 in all countries for well over a year.
nice, guess everyone’s gotten better at reclassifying death in the same vein as reeducating people
I’ll put this in here as well as in the Skepticon thread.
Just listened to the talk on “Sweden’s COVID19 response – Reviewing and Outlier” at the Australian Skeptics conference.
Pretty straightforward:
Anders Tegnell is not humble, but was working with a backing of an agency of 500 people with broad expertise.
They had a pandemic plan prepared over decades and used that.
There were legal limitations because of guaranteed freedom of assembly and movement.
In Sweden health authorities take care of health decisions not politicians, there is no ministerial interference.
Swedes generally trust authorities and experts and do as they are told.
The piece in The Conversation that I linked in the COVID19 thread for December here was recommended reading.
Link
Something I didn’t know is that Our World in Data updates its numbers retrospectively over time, so the deaths per million numbers for, for example, the first few weeks of the pandemic, now look different from what was reported at the time.
SCIENCE said:
transition said:
SCIENCE said:it was the dogs
and so’t is revealed, the usual invisible work of the immune system, and of the ‘fittest’ who barely experience it, those that barely experience it plugged into their brains, they make the rules, govern the overlay of notions and ideas, all the miniature ideologies in every third word you read and use, and all between that joins them, the joining words and spaces too
and of the spaces, lost are the spaces
thou shalt not ponder homeostasis, the milieu interieur
Surely it was the lockdowns then, the lockdowns caused all the bacteria to go nuts.
yeah’s fucken ridiculous really, that sort of bullshit, but it all starts with a root doesn’t it, a few moments of oblivion, what else could make it work
buffy said:
I’ll put this in here as well as in the Skepticon thread.Just listened to the talk on “Sweden’s COVID19 response – Reviewing and Outlier” at the Australian Skeptics conference.
Pretty straightforward:
Anders Tegnell is not humble, but was working with a backing of an agency of 500 people with broad expertise.
They had a pandemic plan prepared over decades and used that.
There were legal limitations because of guaranteed freedom of assembly and movement.
In Sweden health authorities take care of health decisions not politicians, there is no ministerial interference.
Swedes generally trust authorities and experts and do as they are told.
The piece in The Conversation that I linked in the COVID19 thread for December here was recommended reading.
Link
Something I didn’t know is that Our World in Data updates its numbers retrospectively over time, so the deaths per million numbers for, for example, the first few weeks of the pandemic, now look different from what was reported at the time.
Sorry, that link didn’t copy.
Given the waves of infections and deaths over the span of 3 years and with no end in site it will be interesting to ascertain the overall picture over time comparing the Swedish situation and the various responses to the pandemic given national circumstances.
Places like Italy which were hit hard in the beginning might for example come up in a more positive light over time. It does seem that places like Australia, NZ, Taiwan, Japan etc that pursued lockdowns and restricted inbound travel until the population was prepared and willing for opening up through vaccination, preparations by the health system, antivirals and limited herd immunity seem to have performed better in case deaths even given the way in which these countries’ populations are now willing to accept death stats ongoing that would have been considered terrible only 2 years ago.
One question is China but modelling in ‘The Economist’ outlining even a worst case scenario of uncontrolled spread and a overwhelmed health system have suggested 700,000 deaths which would still be a better performance than most western countries in the wash-up.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Given the waves of infections and deaths over the span of 3 years and with no end in site it will be interesting to ascertain the overall picture over time comparing the Swedish situation and the various responses to the pandemic given national circumstances.Places like Italy which were hit hard in the beginning might for example come up in a more positive light over time. It does seem that places like Australia, NZ, Taiwan, Japan etc that pursued lockdowns and restricted inbound travel until the population was prepared and willing for opening up through vaccination, preparations by the health system, antivirals and limited herd immunity seem to have performed better in case deaths even given the way in which these countries’ populations are now willing to accept death stats ongoing that would have been considered terrible only 2 years ago.
One question is China but modelling in ‘The Economist’ outlining even a worst case scenario of uncontrolled spread and a overwhelmed health system have suggested 700,000 deaths which would still be a better performance than most western countries in the wash-up.
“…until the population was prepared and willing for opening up through vaccination…”
I wonder, can you tell me, of the australia situation (i’ll keep to that for a moment), when exactly it was deemed in the course of the pandemic that vaccination would not or never be used for elimination, or containment that way, dynamic zero
or is it propaganda that states as hard fact “…until the population was prepared and willing for opening up through vaccination…”
LOL
it’s
All About Growth
In Breaking News, “People” Who Care About CHINA Genociding Westerners By Providing 1000000 Of Them With Accommodation And Education, Now Relish The Thought Of CHINA Killing At Least 700000 People By Spreading Disease
SCIENCE said:
LOL
it’s
All About Growth
and fun
truth
is
inconvenient
wait
a few months
lol
free healthcare grows on trees
SCIENCE said:
LOL
https://twitter.com/MartinaStenbom/status/1598935198317481985
Sorry, i’m a stranger here myself.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-04/fentanyl-crisis-america-los-angeles/101731446
More than 700 homeless people died of overdose in Los Angeles between April 2020 to March 2021
nobody cares, their Economic Must Grow activity isn’t taxed
dv said:
roughbarked said:
Peak Warming Man said:
“Broccoli and raspberries could give you COVID, the Food Standards Agency (FSA) has warned.”
It’s madness out there on the internet.
Did they tell you how?
By being touched, sneezed on or coughed on by people with covid
wait so all them dickheads were laughing at it when CHINA told us that you could catch it from food and now turns out
Fuck.
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
roughbarked said:
Did they tell you how?
By being touched, sneezed on or coughed on by people with covid
wait so all them dickheads were laughing at it when CHINA told us that you could catch it from food and now turns out
Fuck.
Well, NZ got it on frozen food didn’t they?
The Ancients Knew.
Queen Gladys of New Cymru wrote
“Fight it and it will fight back, accept it and it becomes meh.”
And all the world marveled at her wisdom except West Taiwan, but lo they now acknowledge their folly and bow down and cry out GLADYS GLADYS
W¿T¡F
this Shamez Ladhani dude obviously belongs here
convenient
Former health secretary Matt Hancock has blamed infected staff for bringing the Covid virus into care homes, which saw thousands of deaths of elderly residents during the pandemic. In his diary of the coronavirus pandemic, serialised in the Daily Mail, Mr Hancock insisted that only a small proportion of cases – as few as 1.2 per cent – were caused by his decision to discharge patients from hospital without testing. And he accused some care home bosses of “unscrupulously” using workers infected with the virus, in behaviour which he blasted as “scandalous”.
to have a platform to lie loudly from
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/matt-hancock-covid-cummings-pandemic-b2238384.html
LOL
Mr Braedon would rather see Australia adopt models that are seen overseas where GPs are supported by clinicians, like nurses and physiotherapists, and together they provide a more holistic approach to healthcare. That approach, he said, would help to reduce the burden of chronic disease across the community and lead to a better quality of life for patients.
tell you what else would reduce the burden of chronic disease but oh wait can’t have any of that preventative stuff now can we damn
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Mr Braedon would rather see Australia adopt models that are seen overseas where GPs are supported by clinicians, like nurses and physiotherapists, and together they provide a more holistic approach to healthcare. That approach, he said, would help to reduce the burden of chronic disease across the community and lead to a better quality of life for patients.
tell you what else would reduce the burden of chronic disease but oh wait can’t have any of that preventative stuff now can we damn
dumb went readed that on the libertycaster page
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-05/grattan-institute-medicare-overhaul-report-doctors-paid-work/101727432
SCIENCE said:
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this Shamez Ladhani dude obviously belongs here
Thanks for posting.
Fuck Yous All
oh and did we mention
LOL
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Fuck Yous All
oh and did we mention
LOL
The out and out lies outrage me.
“We aren’t understaffed — we’re staffing as best as we can, recognising that there have been challenges like any health service throughout COVID,” he said.
Utter garbage!
also more fun
https://www.ausdoc.com.au/news/doctors-told-not-to-prescribe-molnupiravir-for-mild-covid-19/
GPs are being advised against the routine use of molnupiravir to treat patients with mild COVID-19 following evidence the antiviral failed to reduce deaths or hospitalisation compared with usual care.
ms spock said:
SCIENCE said:Fuck Yous All
oh and did we mention
LOL
The out and out lies outrage me.
“We aren’t understaffed — we’re staffing as best as we can, recognising that there have been challenges like any health service throughout COVID,” he said.
Utter garbage!
I didn’t sense a bit of doublespeak in there, none at all
transition said:
ms spock said:
SCIENCE said:
Fuck Yous All
oh and did we mention
LOL
The out and out lies outrage me.
“We aren’t understaffed — we’re staffing as best as we can, recognising that there have been challenges like any health service throughout COVID,” he said.
Utter garbage!
I didn’t sense a bit of doublespeak in there, none at all
ahahahahahaha
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-06/delays-at-melbourne-childrens-hospital/101736714
one day a week
and so it turned out that medical disinformation agents were just
engineers
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transition said:
ms spock said:
The out and out lies outrage me.
“We aren’t understaffed — we’re staffing as best as we can, recognising that there have been challenges like any health service throughout COVID,” he said.
Utter garbage!
I didn’t sense a bit of doublespeak in there, none at all
ahahahahahaha
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-06/delays-at-melbourne-childrens-hospital/101736714
LOL
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I didn’t sense a bit of doublespeak in there, none at all
ahahahahahaha
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-06/delays-at-melbourne-childrens-hospital/101736714
LOL
aha here it is in text
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I didn’t sense a bit of doublespeak in there, none at all
ahahahahahaha
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-06/delays-at-melbourne-childrens-hospital/101736714
LOL
lot of indifference out there, the great uncaring, anything public is good as communist, such is the ‘special political operation’ of the capitalist libertarians, largely from way across the pacific
enured by news, everyone wants news, so they get news, any news, all day, every day
Prof Crabbe, holding the ground just like Prof Raina MacIntyre…
https://www.rrr.org.au/explore/podcasts/uncommon-sense/episodes/6333-professor-brendan-crabb-on-the-scientific-reality-of-covid-19-for-all-australians
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-63819818
Anyone on this forum who has a ‘normal’ work and social life and who hasn’t had (or tested positive for) covid?
I myself have not.
ms spock said:
Prof Crabbe, holding the ground just like Prof Raina MacIntyre…https://www.rrr.org.au/explore/podcasts/uncommon-sense/episodes/6333-professor-brendan-crabb-on-the-scientific-reality-of-covid-19-for-all-australians
listening that
Jing Joh said:
Anyone on this forum who has a ‘normal’ work and social life and who hasn’t had (or tested positive for) covid?
I myself have not.
Raises hand
I’ve had no time off work apart from some long service leave, shop in a tourist town and train a large fire brigade every week.
I may possibly have had it with no symptoms but never noticed.
Margaret says that smokers don’t get covid/ don’t get as sick with covid.
sarahs mum said:
Margaret says that smokers don’t get covid/ don’t get as sick with covid.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(22)00182-5/fulltext
Heterogeneity in the clinical presentation of SARS-CoV-2 infection and COVID-19 progression underscores the urgent need to identify individual-level susceptibility factors that affect infection vulnerability and disease severity. Tobacco product use is a potential susceptibility factor. In this Personal View, we provide an overview of the findings of peer-reviewed, published studies relating tobacco product use to SARS-CoV-2 infection and COVID-19 outcomes, with most studies focusing on cigarette smoking in adults. Findings pertaining to the effects of tobacco product use on the incidence of SARS-CoV-2 infection are inconsistent. However, evidence supports a role for cigarette smoking in increasing the risk of poor COVID-19 outcomes, including hospital admission, progression in disease severity, and COVID-19-related mortality. We discuss the potential effects of tobacco use behaviour on SARS-CoV-2 transmission and infection, and highlight the pathophysiological changes associated with cigarette smoking that could promote SARS-CoV-2 infection and increased disease severity. We consider the biological mechanisms by which nicotine and other tobacco product constituents might affect immune and inflammatory responses to SARS-CoV-2 infection. Finally, we identify current knowledge gaps and suggest priorities for research to address acute and post-acute health outcomes of COVID-19 during and after the pandemic.
sarahs mum said:
Margaret says that smokers don’t get covid/ don’t get as sick with covid.
I think she is making stuff up.
Jing Joh said:
Anyone on this forum who has a ‘normal’ work and social life and who hasn’t had (or tested positive for) covid?
I myself have not.
me
Arts said:
Jing Joh said:
Anyone on this forum who has a ‘normal’ work and social life and who hasn’t had (or tested positive for) covid?
I myself have not.me
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
Margaret says that smokers don’t get covid/ don’t get as sick with covid.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(22)00182-5/fulltext
Heterogeneity in the clinical presentation of SARS-CoV-2 infection and COVID-19 progression underscores the urgent need to identify individual-level susceptibility factors that affect infection vulnerability and disease severity. Tobacco product use is a potential susceptibility factor. In this Personal View, we provide an overview of the findings of peer-reviewed, published studies relating tobacco product use to SARS-CoV-2 infection and COVID-19 outcomes, with most studies focusing on cigarette smoking in adults. Findings pertaining to the effects of tobacco product use on the incidence of SARS-CoV-2 infection are inconsistent. However, evidence supports a role for cigarette smoking in increasing the risk of poor COVID-19 outcomes, including hospital admission, progression in disease severity, and COVID-19-related mortality. We discuss the potential effects of tobacco use behaviour on SARS-CoV-2 transmission and infection, and highlight the pathophysiological changes associated with cigarette smoking that could promote SARS-CoV-2 infection and increased disease severity. We consider the biological mechanisms by which nicotine and other tobacco product constituents might affect immune and inflammatory responses to SARS-CoV-2 infection. Finally, we identify current knowledge gaps and suggest priorities for research to address acute and post-acute health outcomes of COVID-19 during and after the pandemic.
You can pretty much disbelieve Margaret on anything I reckon.
roughbarked said:
sarahs mum said:
Margaret says that smokers don’t get covid/ don’t get as sick with covid.
I think she is making stuff up.
tiktok.
Jing Joh said:
Anyone on this forum who has a ‘normal’ work and social life and who hasn’t had (or tested positive for) covid?
I myself have not.
My social life is around normal, I went and had a drink at my local pub for an hour yesterday evening, as an example. As for work, I spend the vast majority of my time in a home office, but I also travel interstate and locally for site visits that can take up to a week.
I haven’t had, as far as I’m aware, a case of covid. Both my sprogs, who live at home, have had it, the junior sprog twice.
ms spock said:
Prof Crabbe, holding the ground just like Prof Raina MacIntyre…https://www.rrr.org.au/explore/podcasts/uncommon-sense/episodes/6333-professor-brendan-crabb-on-the-scientific-reality-of-covid-19-for-all-australians
Thanks for posting the link to that, spocky. I was listening to part of it live when driving yesterday and meant to get back to it.
sarahs mum said:
roughbarked said:
sarahs mum said:
Margaret says that smokers don’t get covid/ don’t get as sick with covid.
I think she is making stuff up.
tiktok.
fact, smokers do suck burning air through a filter, both of which might prevent viral entry
SCIENCE said:
sarahs mum said:
roughbarked said:I think she is making stuff up.
tiktok.
fact, smokers do suck burning air through a filter, both of which might prevent viral entry
people avoid smokers.
SCIENCE said:
sarahs mum said:
roughbarked said:I think she is making stuff up.
tiktok.
fact, smokers do suck burning air through a filter, both of which might prevent viral entry
Fact, they do also try to breathe some air in between sucking on a durrie.
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ms spock said:
Prof Crabbe, holding the ground just like Prof Raina MacIntyre…https://www.rrr.org.au/explore/podcasts/uncommon-sense/episodes/6333-professor-brendan-crabb-on-the-scientific-reality-of-covid-19-for-all-australians
listening that
not sure how much more there is
but of, to the question of why it is the governments approach to allow – allow unmitigated transmission – which isn’t so much policy because it’s been devolved to the hosts, devolved to the informal environments of, anyway the approach, the view is that unrestricted travel with no liability for covid transmission requires as much of, or needs however much covid persists to get unrestricted travel with no liability for transmission, over various scales, regionally, States, international, whatever
travel is everything from within a house, to use of public toilet, the corner store, service stations, airport, to and from and within schools, fairly much everything
the approach is to devolve responsibility, into oblivion if required, and enough of the hosts will have no problems accommodating that, making it so
enough virus and transmission evolves a consensus in the hosts of its normality, along with proportionate or commensurate limited responsibility
where’s it all going?
lots of casualties, and lots of uncertainty, and covid is proliferating, diversifying
sarahs mum said:
SCIENCE said:
sarahs mum said:tiktok.
fact, smokers do suck burning air through a filter, both of which might prevent viral entry
people avoid smokers.
fair call, we might take it up
SCIENCE said:
Fuck Yous All
oh and did we mention
LOL
Fuck Yeah
The data shows that in 2021-22, there were 623,000 elective surgeries at public hospitals — the lowest level since 2010-11.
The disruptions were due to COVID-19, which saw elective surgery cancelled in many parts of Australia to free up hospital resources for those in need of acute treatment.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-07/elective-surgery-hits-decade-low-in-australia/101742762
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oho
the tyrannic wakeful in the service of the money, the latter never sleeps, and there’s plenty abundance of it not to sleep, plenty borrowed wanting returns, giving reminders who your master is, you might forget it is not human, money is not human
transition said:
SCIENCE said:oho
the tyrannic wakeful in the service of the money, the latter never sleeps, and there’s plenty abundance of it not to sleep, plenty borrowed wanting returns, giving reminders who your master is, you might forget it is not human, money is not human
You’d think sleeping between patients would be encouraged so you get rest
I wonder how many people who had cold noses, with nearly 50% reduced immunity, contacted COVID ???
Comprehensive new review of COVID-19 vaccines shows they are effective
A comprehensive review of all the evidence available from randomized controlled trials of COVID 19 vaccines up to November 2021 has concluded that most protect against infection and severe or critical illness caused by the virus.
more…
Health officials gain guardianship of baby whose parents refused ‘vaccinated blood’ transfusion
New Zealand high court case has become a focus of protests from anti-vaxxers
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/dec/07/health-officials-gain-guardianship-of-baby-whose-parents-refused-vaccinated-blood-transfusion
The Brains of Teenagers Look Disturbingly Different After Lockdown
The stress of living through pandemic lockdowns has accelerated aging in the brains of teenagers. The effects are similar to those previously observed as a result of violence, neglect, and family dysfunction.
more…
Tau.Neutrino said:
The Brains of Teenagers Look Disturbingly Different After Lockdown
The stress of living through pandemic lockdowns has accelerated aging in the brains of teenagers. The effects are similar to those previously observed as a result of violence, neglect, and family dysfunction.
nice, did they mention that none of the teenagers were infected so the effect must have been due to lockdowns
wait
Tau.Neutrino said:
The Brains of Teenagers Look Disturbingly Different After LockdownThe stress of living through pandemic lockdowns has accelerated aging in the brains of teenagers. The effects are similar to those previously observed as a result of violence, neglect, and family dysfunction.
more…
post failed containment and failed elimination, intentionalized
like losing a war, your own tribe being undermined from within, betrayed
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nice
https://twitter.com/KarenCutter4/status/1600252587218857984
…
even nicer is the spin
and the source, to compare what they spun
lockdowns sure are bad
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nice
https://twitter.com/KarenCutter4/status/1600252587218857984
…
even nicer is the spin
and the source, to compare what they spun
dear God, you got to laugh or you’d cry
more people are dying because they were unnaturally let live longer by interventions that reduced respiratory infections
I mean sure it’s arguably true, but you’d need be demonic or something evil to argue it into the public health policy space surely, into the normal
just an opinion, my view
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nice
https://twitter.com/KarenCutter4/status/1600252587218857984
…
even nicer is the spin
and the source, to compare what they spun
dear God, you got to laugh or you’d cry
more people are dying because they were unnaturally let live longer by interventions that reduced … infections
we’ve been laughing the whole past 2 years
we mean who doesn’t like the 1400s and the natural life
we(1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,…) all of us have so fucking many tools
SCIENCE said:
transition said:
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even nicer is the spin
and the source, to compare what they spun
dear God, you got to laugh or you’d cry
more people are dying because they were unnaturally let live longer by interventions that reduced … infections
we’ve been laughing the whole past 2 years
we mean who doesn’t like the 1400s and the natural life
too much doublethink and doublespeak re covid, a fucken disaster you’ll get told isn’t
old enough to remember a blast from the past
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old enough to remember a blast from the past
No Political Privilege Here
Laugh Out Loud
https://en.nottheanswertoeverything.org/wiki/Not_invented_here
that said the later paragraphs seem somewhat more legit’
The epidemiologist said that recovered patients are resistant to the virus and will not be re-infected with the same strain of the virus for a short period of time. However, there is no lifelong immunity after the infection with COVID-19 as far as the relevant cases are concerned. As time goes by and new strains emerge, infection is still possible for those who were infected before, but the chance is smaller.
As for whether the symptoms will become more severe after re-infection, Chong said that China has not been through two consecutive large-scale infection situations at present, which means that observable data is so limited to draw exact conclusions.
However, it is certain that people infected with coronavirus are basically not infectious after they have recovered from the illness and they are unlikely to spread the virus and are safe for the community, Chong said.
did someone mention something something something last year
ms spock said:
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The UK has an interesting outbreak, whether it’s mostly Strep A that is taking advantage in a school that has had roughly four waves of Covid through it’s students. Or a Strep A and Covid co-infection, so far six students have died and it is spreading to other schools in the Surrey area. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
https://twitter.com/EnemyInAState/status/1598754137650253824
oops
SCIENCE said:
and so it turned out that medical disinformation agents were just
engineers
oops
as in
oops
SCIENCE said:
Laugh Out Loud
https://en.nottheanswertoeverything.org/wiki/Not_invented_here
that said the later paragraphs seem somewhat more legit’
The epidemiologist said that recovered patients are resistant to the virus and will not be re-infected with the same strain of the virus for a short period of time. However, there is no lifelong immunity after the infection with COVID-19 as far as the relevant cases are concerned. As time goes by and new strains emerge, infection is still possible for those who were infected before, but the chance is smaller.
As for whether the symptoms will become more severe after re-infection, Chong said that China has not been through two consecutive large-scale infection situations at present, which means that observable data is so limited to draw exact conclusions.
However, it is certain that people infected with coronavirus are basically not infectious after they have recovered from the illness and they are unlikely to spread the virus and are safe for the community, Chong said.
when (if) it gets out of control they wants full support of the covidmongers external, and imagine the covidmongers arguing against it, anything you just read, yeah nah, they won’t come out screaming long covid is real, happens a lot and is debilitating, because that would be like saying don’t do’t, don’t let it go
so yeah, if it swings around to the opposite, everyone is apparently on china’s side, cheering them on, welcome back to the plague-friendly worldist society
but the Global Times is unlikely representative of the china communist party centre trajectory, anyway, who knows, perhaps their wallets are shrinking and want get back to some proper respectable communist capitalism before the possibility is dissolved into oblivion by health concerns, and how effective would ideology be if everyone became a health fanatic
ahahaha
not dark enough
that’s because they’re not rich hybrids
SCIENCE said:
that’s because they’re not rich hybrids
I don’t speak Italian, what does ‘mortalita’ mean?
sibeen said:
SCIENCE said:
that’s because they’re not rich hybrids
I don’t speak Italian, what does ‘mortalita’ mean?
Some kind of luncheon meat sausage isn’t it, wait we meant a South Sydney Suburb next to Beverly Hills¿
SCIENCE said:
sibeen said:
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that’s because they’re not rich hybrids
I don’t speak Italian, what does ‘mortalita’ mean?
Some kind of luncheon meat sausage isn’t it, wait we meant a South Sydney Suburb next to Beverly Hills¿
covid seems to be evolving hybrid immunity, and exploring the range of human immunological diversity
transition said:
SCIENCE said:
sibeen said:
I don’t speak Italian, what does ‘mortalita’ mean?
Some kind of luncheon meat sausage isn’t it, wait we meant a South Sydney Suburb next to Beverly Hills¿
covid seems to be evolving hybrid immunity, and exploring the range of human immunological diversity
yeah but thanks to the Pokemon generation, 8000000000 humans currently alive totally understand how evolution works, it’s a good thing
ahaLOLaha
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hey look your top doctor real smart knows enough biology to tell you that viruses don’t mutate
words like that, the work of minds, I guess the words are meant to help fade something into the background
certainly fading a few peoples’ vitality, and putting a few in the ground
whatever though, the noises in the matrix are to keep the money doing what money does
https://twitter.com/ArisKatzourakis/status/1603004412472999938
more at link
or a proliferation of divergent lineages with varying factors such as asymptomatic rate, incubation period, infectious period, latency, immune evasion which mean that any strategy will have to include defence in even more depth to account for the increasingly vast diversity of possible failures
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monkey skipper said:
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Laugh Out Loud Fuck
We Have The Tools
Maggot therapy spikes amid increase in antibiotic resistance
9News Staff – 3h agoThe thought of having wriggling maggots tipped into an open wound might seem like the stuff of nightmares for some people, but for doctors in the United Kingdom the technique is actually a key tool to save lives.
Maggots played a critical role in helping clean and heal wounded soldiers’ injuries during the first World War, and the treatment is now seeing a resurgence.
Data from Britain’s NHS Digital shows the number of treatments given in England increased from 886 in 2008-9 to 1305 a decade later in 2018-19.
Maggot treatment has seen a resurgence in recent times.
The reason behind the increase is antibiotic resistance, an issue becoming increasingly prevalent.
Studies have suggested maggot therapy can be extremely effective in treating hard-to-heal skin wounds, while also costing a lot less than most alternatives.
The treatment includes placing a “tea bag” of larvae – no bigger than a millimetre in size – on top of open tissue, covered with a dressing and left for about four days.
The maggots will then feed on the dead tissue and secrete antimicrobial molecules that disinfect the wound.
Though undesirable for some, many medics are highly in favour of the therapy after witnessing its benefits and effectiveness first-hand.
and decrease in antibiotic availability
make sure you use the right maggots I guess, ones here like live flesh
seems exciting
https://www.thesun.co.uk/health/20706846/another-pupil-dies-strep-experts-warn-parents-lookout/
ANOTHER child has died of group Strep A, with experts warning parents to be vigilant. It brings the death toll of children to have died with the illness to 16.
especially without antibiotics
and what a pleasant 80 years it’s been
LOL
https://news.italy24.press/local/248148.html
Scarlet fever: cases on the rise also in Italy: “But there are no alarms”
we(1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,…) all of us have so fucking many tools
LOL
Life Was Good Before 1930s And These Pictures Prove It
what are snowflakes
SCIENCE said:
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transition said:
words like that, the work of minds, I guess the words are meant to help fade something into the background
certainly fading a few peoples’ vitality, and putting a few in the ground
whatever though, the noises in the matrix are to keep the money doing what money does
https://twitter.com/ArisKatzourakis/status/1603004412472999938
more at link
or a proliferation of divergent lineages with varying factors such as asymptomatic rate, incubation period, infectious period, latency, immune evasion which mean that any strategy will have to include defence in even more depth to account for the increasingly vast diversity of possible failures
What happens when a variant comes through that the current PCR test doesn’t pick up? How long until we know that? How long until they can remedy that? That’s what is worrying me at the moment. With little Covid reporting we are flying blind, and we don’t know what is circulating.
How To Avoid Long Covid | The 5 Top Tips – Drawn From Latest Research
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SsTWkx6tD0
https://ozsage.org/media_releases/open-letter-13-dec-2022/
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-10/toilets-putting-down-the-lid-invisible-aerosol-plume/101756030
https://ifs.org.uk/publications/number-new-disability-benefit-claimants-has-doubled-year
ahahahaha
remember
when
it was funny
because
CHINA
tried to censor freedom
and people just worked around it
oh wait
LOL
Oh Yeah
ms spock said:
How To Avoid Long Covid | The 5 Top Tips – Drawn From Latest Research
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SsTWkx6tD0
I watches that, imagines convalescence, there’s an old idea, me great grandma would’ve known what that was
transition said:
ms spock said:How To Avoid Long Covid | The 5 Top Tips – Drawn From Latest Research
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SsTWkx6tD0
I watches that, imagines convalescence, there’s an old idea, me great grandma would’ve known what that was
***nods***
China’s covid wave could kill as many as 1.5m people
The government can still avoid an enormous death toll
Dec 15th 2022
Testing stations are being removed from city streets. The enforcers of “zero-covid” are nowhere to be found. In China’s battle against covid-19, the state has disappeared from the front lines. For nearly three years President Xi Jinping tried to contain the virus, calling his efforts a “people’s war”. Now he has surrendered and the people must live with the enemy.
Mr Xi is not the first leader to conclude that such a fight was unwinnable. But before ditching their zero-covid policies, other countries first took pains to administer vaccines, stockpile antiviral drugs and draw up treatment guidelines. China had ample time to do all of that. Yet more than two years after the first vaccine proved effective, the country remains ill-prepared. That has made opening up much more dangerous than it ought to be.
How dangerous? In this week’s China section we publish our model of how the epidemic might play out. It comes with essential caveats. Modelling an epidemic is difficult. Modelling one in China, where the data are often unreliable, is even harder. We take into account variables such as vaccination rates, the effectiveness of Chinese jabs, the lethality of covid for different age groups and the number of intensive-care beds. In a worst case, if covid spreads freely and many people cannot get care, we estimate that in the coming months 1.5m Chinese people will die from the virus.
Although that is a lower share of the population than in many rich countries, it is still a criticism of the government’s poor preparations. It is also a call to action. A vaccination drive will take months. The government has waited too long to build and staff new icus. But even if the state will not impose lockdowns while it prepares, it can mitigate the number of deaths.
It should start by protecting the health system. A wave of covid is breaking over China. Our model sees this peaking in January. By that time hospitals risk being overwhelmed. Beds and staff are a precious resource to be husbanded. That means keeping people who are not seriously ill away from hospitals. To that end, the state could help drug companies restock pharmacies that run out of such things as lateral-flow tests and paracetamol. Medical staff should be vaccinated first and they must be given the proper gear to minimise the risk of infection.
A second step is to ensure cheap and plentiful supplies of covid drugs. Dexamethasone, a low-priced steroid, has been shown to reduce deaths among the most severely ill patients. Antivirals, such as Paxlovid, help keep those most at risk out of hospital. These drugs have become part of the toolkit doctors around the world are using to fight the virus. They could save many thousands of lives in China. Only the government knows if it has enough of them to go around. If not, it should start stocking up. Foreign governments would surely send supplies if China asked. President Xi Jinping should not let his pride imperil China’s people, as he has done by shunning more efficacious Western vaccines.
China’s vaccines still work. So the third priority is to get them into people’s arms. It may be too late for many in this wave, but there will be others. Less than half of those over 80 years old have had three shots, the number needed for decent protection against severe disease and death. Yet some of the elderly have gone to the clinic for a jab only to be turned away for lack of supplies. Until recently, some vaccine factories were sitting idle. Vast quantities will be needed. Six-monthly booster shots ought to become a normal part of life for older Chinese.
As the state has failed to do its job, people are helping themselves. Masks are ubiquitous in many cities and more people are working from home. Restaurants and cinemas may be open, but in cities such as Beijing they remain largely empty. All this will help slow the growth of this covid wave and ease the pressure on hospitals. But the government must also act. In a country the size of China, even small steps could save many lives.
https://www.economist.com/leaders/2022/12/15/what-china-can-still-do-to-avoid-an-enormous-covid-death-toll?
Witty Rejoinder said:
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“..For nearly three years President Xi Jinping tried to contain the virus..”
I think whoever means has done, did, quite successfully as it went
I didn’t sense any prejudice there, none at all, from the land of libertarian supremacy
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Witty Rejoinder said:
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“..For nearly three years President Xi Jinping tried to contain the virus..”
I think whoever means has done, did, quite successfully as it went
I didn’t sense any prejudice there, none at all, from the land of libertarian supremacy
maybe they mean CHINA and its leaders are so skilled that they will soon continue to contain the virus, despite not even trying
¡
LOL
SCIENCE said:
transition said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
/..cut by me master transition../
“..For nearly three years President Xi Jinping tried to contain the virus..”
I think whoever means has done, did, quite successfully as it went
I didn’t sense any prejudice there, none at all, from the land of libertarian supremacy
maybe they mean CHINA and its leaders are so skilled that they will soon continue to contain the virus, despite not even trying
¡
LOL
i’d expect the important thing is that you forget that for a long time dynamic zero worked to the extent it worked, you could argue about the extent but it seems to have worked for some period, did as intended, the continent and peoples of china contributed little to viral distribution (the amount of it in circulation globally), and evolution of the virus
i’m ignoring of course it started there, seems to have, but remind myself the hosts propagate it, provide it easy travel etc
the hosts have a conveniently adaptable forgettery, that helps a lot, especially assisted my mass groupthink, or unthink
whatever, your memory might be inconvenient, certainly inconvenient to squeezing down, compressing the contemporary part of the contemporary social environment you’re likely to get your reality from
good chance early next year the WHO will declare the superpandemic is over, meanwhile the national broadcaster will help you with that
Witty Rejoinder said:
China’s covid wave could kill as many as 1.5m people
The government can still avoid an enormous death tollDec 15th 2022
Testing stations are being removed from city streets. The enforcers of “zero-covid” are nowhere to be found. In China’s battle against covid-19, the state has disappeared from the front lines. For nearly three years President Xi Jinping tried to contain the virus, calling his efforts a “people’s war”. Now he has surrendered and the people must live with the enemy.
Mr Xi is not the first leader to conclude that such a fight was unwinnable. But before ditching their zero-covid policies, other countries first took pains to administer vaccines, stockpile antiviral drugs and draw up treatment guidelines. China had ample time to do all of that. Yet more than two years after the first vaccine proved effective, the country remains ill-prepared. That has made opening up much more dangerous than it ought to be.
How dangerous? In this week’s China section we publish our model of how the epidemic might play out. It comes with essential caveats. Modelling an epidemic is difficult. Modelling one in China, where the data are often unreliable, is even harder. We take into account variables such as vaccination rates, the effectiveness of Chinese jabs, the lethality of covid for different age groups and the number of intensive-care beds. In a worst case, if covid spreads freely and many people cannot get care, we estimate that in the coming months 1.5m Chinese people will die from the virus.
Although that is a lower share of the population than in many rich countries, it is still a criticism of the government’s poor preparations. It is also a call to action. A vaccination drive will take months. The government has waited too long to build and staff new icus. But even if the state will not impose lockdowns while it prepares, it can mitigate the number of deaths.
It should start by protecting the health system. A wave of covid is breaking over China. Our model sees this peaking in January. By that time hospitals risk being overwhelmed. Beds and staff are a precious resource to be husbanded. That means keeping people who are not seriously ill away from hospitals. To that end, the state could help drug companies restock pharmacies that run out of such things as lateral-flow tests and paracetamol. Medical staff should be vaccinated first and they must be given the proper gear to minimise the risk of infection.
A second step is to ensure cheap and plentiful supplies of covid drugs. Dexamethasone, a low-priced steroid, has been shown to reduce deaths among the most severely ill patients. Antivirals, such as Paxlovid, help keep those most at risk out of hospital. These drugs have become part of the toolkit doctors around the world are using to fight the virus. They could save many thousands of lives in China. Only the government knows if it has enough of them to go around. If not, it should start stocking up. Foreign governments would surely send supplies if China asked. President Xi Jinping should not let his pride imperil China’s people, as he has done by shunning more efficacious Western vaccines.
China’s vaccines still work. So the third priority is to get them into people’s arms. It may be too late for many in this wave, but there will be others. Less than half of those over 80 years old have had three shots, the number needed for decent protection against severe disease and death. Yet some of the elderly have gone to the clinic for a jab only to be turned away for lack of supplies. Until recently, some vaccine factories were sitting idle. Vast quantities will be needed. Six-monthly booster shots ought to become a normal part of life for older Chinese.
As the state has failed to do its job, people are helping themselves. Masks are ubiquitous in many cities and more people are working from home. Restaurants and cinemas may be open, but in cities such as Beijing they remain largely empty. All this will help slow the growth of this covid wave and ease the pressure on hospitals. But the government must also act. In a country the size of China, even small steps could save many lives.
https://www.economist.com/leaders/2022/12/15/what-china-can-still-do-to-avoid-an-enormous-covid-death-toll?
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It will get rid of all the protestors and anyone pushing the Covid line. What a price to pay.
Two health experts say China’s haste to re-open risks needless death and disruption
Eyck Freymann and Yanzhong Huang say the government’s new approach is worrying
Dec 13th 2022
In the weeks since Chinese authorities suppressed the anti-lockdown protests that began on November 25th, the “zero-covid” policy has been turned on its head. Under the pretext of following the democratic will, Chinese authorities have lurched from excessive caution to a hands-off approach.
Beijing is already experiencing a major outbreak. The rest of China is probably close behind and will face a massive wave in January. But because the government reversed its longstanding policy without a roadmap to reopening, undervaccinated elderly citizens have not been given enough time to get a booster shot. The result is likely to be more than a million deaths over the next few months– hundreds of thousands of them preventable.
Few people saw this coming. In mid-November, health officials announced 20 new guidelines for “optimising” covid-management procedures. Yet People’s Daily, the party mouthpiece insisted that the goal was not an end to zero covid, but rather a better “balance” between zero covid and the needs of the broader society and economy. As recently as last month, party media were covering covid outbreaks in Western countries on a nearly daily basis, painting them as scenes of chaos and despair and boasting that China’s “people-first” policies were superior.
The Chinese government clearly wanted a new equilibrium that delivered both zero covid and economic normality. The problem was that it never figured out how to achieve this. Local officials struggled to reconcile the two contradictory directives. Over the course of November, daily cases skyrocketed.
When the central government realised that “optimisation” was not working, its first instinct was to slam on the brakes again. On November 21st Sun Chunlan, a deputy prime minister in charge of public health, travelled to the south-western city of Chongqing to instruct local officials to lock back down. From Beijing to Guangzhou, cities across China began to follow her instructions. In November alone, the government traced and identified approximately 5.2m close contacts. Some 1.5m of them were sent to quarantine in centralised facilities, more than twice as many as had been quarantined during the entire pandemic to date. This was the key trigger of the protests that began on November 25th.
Then, as if to respond to the simmering social discontent, the party made the policy U-turn almost overnight. On November 30th, Ms Sun claimed that the virus had mutated to become far less deadly, and that the nation now faced an entirely “new situation.” She also stopped using the party’s previous slogan, “dynamic zero-covid”. Now, party media are instructing the population not to worry about being infected. They are also suggesting traditional Chinese medicine can help protect against the disease.
One by one, the Chinese government is lifting its remaining pandemic restrictions. Mild cases are now allowed to isolate at home. Testing rates have plummeted so fast that it is impossible to tell where the major outbreaks are. Citizens no longer need to show qr codes proving a recent negative test to travel or enter public venues, and the government on December 12th announced it will deactivate a phone app that has tracked people’s movements during the pandemic.
China’s national outbreak has therefore begun. Various official news sources now suggest that cases are rampant in Beijing. If true, the rest of the country cannot be far behind. Hundreds of millions of people plan to travel back to their hometowns over the Chinese New Year in January, seeding infections across China’s vast rural hinterland. If the virus spreads as quickly as Omicron spread in the rest of the world last winter, there will be tens of millions of cases per day in just a few weeks’ time.
These decisions have put China’s elderly population in the firing line. China has 264m people aged 60 or above, and 36m aged 80 or above. According to National Health Commission statistics, 25m of those over-60s and 8m of those over-80s were never vaccinated at all. Tens of millions more got the first two doses but declined to get the booster. (The United States measures it differently, but 98.5% of American pensioners have now had at least one shot of much higher-efficacy vaccines than any available in China.)
In just the past two weeks, central government authorities have finally started to talk about the importance of vaccinating those at high risk, especially in care homes. But in the past, it has taken China at least four months to deliver a round of vaccinations to its vast population. Unless the whole country locks down again–an unlikely prospect–only a fraction of those at high risk will be vaccinated before the tsunami of infections arrives.
No one, including the Chinese government, knows what the fatality rate will be. New variants seem to be milder than the original Omicron. But China is the only country in the world where most of the population has never been naturally infected and, though most of the population is vaccinated, very few booster doses have been given in the past year. As a result, some younger, vaccinated people are likely to require hospitalisation as well.
Facing a chronic shortage of intensive-care beds and health-care workers, the system will need to kick triage into high gear. Health-care workers will also be infected in large numbers, making it even harder to deliver essential services at the peak of the wave.
Even if Chinese authorities are earnestly responding to the popular will by lifting the zero-covid policy, their failure to prepare for the worst-case scenario is puzzling. They could have imported Western mrna vaccines, which numerous studies have shown provide far better protection than their own. They could have imposed soft vaccination mandates for those at high risk. They could have stockpiled and delivered more effective anti-viral medication to the at-risk population, trained emergency nurses to help at the peak, and expanded intensive-care capacity in poorer parts of the country.
Just three or four months of dedicated preparation would have left China far better prepared to deal with a major national wave than it is today. Instead, most of the country’s covid spending has gone on testing and quarantine facilities, rather than hospitals. Spending on testing alone last year was worth one-fifth of its entire pre-pandemic health budget.
The Chinese authorities, and the Chinese people themselves, are suffering from lockdown fatigue and are determined to achieve a new and better normal. Though the decision to ditch zero covid is long overdue, the hasty and messy path toward re-opening may incur a devastating human toll that challenges the party’s own “people first, life first” approach.■
_______________
Eyck Freymann is a postdoctoral research fellow at the Columbia-Harvard China & the World programme. Yanzhong Huang is a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations and a professor at Seton Hall University in New Jersey
Good News Your Vaccine Now Lasts All Of Two Fucking Months Laugh Out Loud
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/stay-up-to-date.html
Witty Rejoinder said:
Two health experts say China’s haste to re-open risks needless death and disruption
Eyck Freymann and Yanzhong Huang say the government’s new approach is worryingDec 13th 2022
In the weeks since Chinese authorities suppressed the anti-lockdown protests that began on November 25th, the “zero-covid” policy has been turned on its head. Under the pretext of following the democratic will, Chinese authorities have lurched from excessive caution to a hands-off approach.
Beijing is already experiencing a major outbreak. The rest of China is probably close behind and will face a massive wave in January. But because the government reversed its longstanding policy without a roadmap to reopening, undervaccinated elderly citizens have not been given enough time to get a booster shot. The result is likely to be more than a million deaths over the next few months– hundreds of thousands of them preventable.
Few people saw this coming. In mid-November, health officials announced 20 new guidelines for “optimising” covid-management procedures. Yet People’s Daily, the party mouthpiece insisted that the goal was not an end to zero covid, but rather a better “balance” between zero covid and the needs of the broader society and economy. As recently as last month, party media were covering covid outbreaks in Western countries on a nearly daily basis, painting them as scenes of chaos and despair and boasting that China’s “people-first” policies were superior.
The Chinese government clearly wanted a new equilibrium that delivered both zero covid and economic normality. The problem was that it never figured out how to achieve this. Local officials struggled to reconcile the two contradictory directives. Over the course of November, daily cases skyrocketed.
When the central government realised that “optimisation” was not working, its first instinct was to slam on the brakes again. On November 21st Sun Chunlan, a deputy prime minister in charge of public health, travelled to the south-western city of Chongqing to instruct local officials to lock back down. From Beijing to Guangzhou, cities across China began to follow her instructions. In November alone, the government traced and identified approximately 5.2m close contacts. Some 1.5m of them were sent to quarantine in centralised facilities, more than twice as many as had been quarantined during the entire pandemic to date. This was the key trigger of the protests that began on November 25th.
Then, as if to respond to the simmering social discontent, the party made the policy U-turn almost overnight. On November 30th, Ms Sun claimed that the virus had mutated to become far less deadly, and that the nation now faced an entirely “new situation.” She also stopped using the party’s previous slogan, “dynamic zero-covid”. Now, party media are instructing the population not to worry about being infected. They are also suggesting traditional Chinese medicine can help protect against the disease.
One by one, the Chinese government is lifting its remaining pandemic restrictions. Mild cases are now allowed to isolate at home. Testing rates have plummeted so fast that it is impossible to tell where the major outbreaks are. Citizens no longer need to show qr codes proving a recent negative test to travel or enter public venues, and the government on December 12th announced it will deactivate a phone app that has tracked people’s movements during the pandemic.
China’s national outbreak has therefore begun. Various official news sources now suggest that cases are rampant in Beijing. If true, the rest of the country cannot be far behind. Hundreds of millions of people plan to travel back to their hometowns over the Chinese New Year in January, seeding infections across China’s vast rural hinterland. If the virus spreads as quickly as Omicron spread in the rest of the world last winter, there will be tens of millions of cases per day in just a few weeks’ time.
These decisions have put China’s elderly population in the firing line. China has 264m people aged 60 or above, and 36m aged 80 or above. According to National Health Commission statistics, 25m of those over-60s and 8m of those over-80s were never vaccinated at all. Tens of millions more got the first two doses but declined to get the booster. (The United States measures it differently, but 98.5% of American pensioners have now had at least one shot of much higher-efficacy vaccines than any available in China.)
In just the past two weeks, central government authorities have finally started to talk about the importance of vaccinating those at high risk, especially in care homes. But in the past, it has taken China at least four months to deliver a round of vaccinations to its vast population. Unless the whole country locks down again–an unlikely prospect–only a fraction of those at high risk will be vaccinated before the tsunami of infections arrives.
No one, including the Chinese government, knows what the fatality rate will be. New variants seem to be milder than the original Omicron. But China is the only country in the world where most of the population has never been naturally infected and, though most of the population is vaccinated, very few booster doses have been given in the past year. As a result, some younger, vaccinated people are likely to require hospitalisation as well.
Facing a chronic shortage of intensive-care beds and health-care workers, the system will need to kick triage into high gear. Health-care workers will also be infected in large numbers, making it even harder to deliver essential services at the peak of the wave.
Even if Chinese authorities are earnestly responding to the popular will by lifting the zero-covid policy, their failure to prepare for the worst-case scenario is puzzling. They could have imported Western mrna vaccines, which numerous studies have shown provide far better protection than their own. They could have imposed soft vaccination mandates for those at high risk. They could have stockpiled and delivered more effective anti-viral medication to the at-risk population, trained emergency nurses to help at the peak, and expanded intensive-care capacity in poorer parts of the country.
Just three or four months of dedicated preparation would have left China far better prepared to deal with a major national wave than it is today. Instead, most of the country’s covid spending has gone on testing and quarantine facilities, rather than hospitals. Spending on testing alone last year was worth one-fifth of its entire pre-pandemic health budget.
The Chinese authorities, and the Chinese people themselves, are suffering from lockdown fatigue and are determined to achieve a new and better normal. Though the decision to ditch zero covid is long overdue, the hasty and messy path toward re-opening may incur a devastating human toll that challenges the party’s own “people first, life first” approach.■
_______________Eyck Freymann is a postdoctoral research fellow at the Columbia-Harvard China & the World programme. Yanzhong Huang is a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations and a professor at Seton Hall University in New Jersey
One should never take the CCP’s word at face value. They know the game is up, that their zero Covid policy is on the brink of failure, so they’ve made an abrupt policy change. The onus and now the blame is now on the provincial and city authorities who had up till now been diligently following the directions from Beijing. They in turn will probably blame the protesters for spreading the very disease they were being protected against. It will turn out to be a classic case of victim blaming.
But then, if it kills a couple of million elderly, or middle aged single males with mo marriage prospects, it will probably do some good. As awful as that sounds.
party_pants said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Two health experts say China’s haste to re-open risks needless death and disruption
Eyck Freymann and Yanzhong Huang say the government’s new approach is worryingDec 13th 2022
In the weeks since Chinese authorities suppressed the anti-lockdown protests that began on November 25th, the “zero-covid” policy has been turned on its head. Under the pretext of following the democratic will, Chinese authorities have lurched from excessive caution to a hands-off approach.
Beijing is already experiencing a major outbreak. The rest of China is probably close behind and will face a massive wave in January. But because the government reversed its longstanding policy without a roadmap to reopening, undervaccinated elderly citizens have not been given enough time to get a booster shot. The result is likely to be more than a million deaths over the next few months– hundreds of thousands of them preventable.
Few people saw this coming. In mid-November, health officials announced 20 new guidelines for “optimising” covid-management procedures. Yet People’s Daily, the party mouthpiece insisted that the goal was not an end to zero covid, but rather a better “balance” between zero covid and the needs of the broader society and economy. As recently as last month, party media were covering covid outbreaks in Western countries on a nearly daily basis, painting them as scenes of chaos and despair and boasting that China’s “people-first” policies were superior.
The Chinese government clearly wanted a new equilibrium that delivered both zero covid and economic normality. The problem was that it never figured out how to achieve this. Local officials struggled to reconcile the two contradictory directives. Over the course of November, daily cases skyrocketed.
When the central government realised that “optimisation” was not working, its first instinct was to slam on the brakes again. On November 21st Sun Chunlan, a deputy prime minister in charge of public health, travelled to the south-western city of Chongqing to instruct local officials to lock back down. From Beijing to Guangzhou, cities across China began to follow her instructions. In November alone, the government traced and identified approximately 5.2m close contacts. Some 1.5m of them were sent to quarantine in centralised facilities, more than twice as many as had been quarantined during the entire pandemic to date. This was the key trigger of the protests that began on November 25th.
Then, as if to respond to the simmering social discontent, the party made the policy U-turn almost overnight. On November 30th, Ms Sun claimed that the virus had mutated to become far less deadly, and that the nation now faced an entirely “new situation.” She also stopped using the party’s previous slogan, “dynamic zero-covid”. Now, party media are instructing the population not to worry about being infected. They are also suggesting traditional Chinese medicine can help protect against the disease.
One by one, the Chinese government is lifting its remaining pandemic restrictions. Mild cases are now allowed to isolate at home. Testing rates have plummeted so fast that it is impossible to tell where the major outbreaks are. Citizens no longer need to show qr codes proving a recent negative test to travel or enter public venues, and the government on December 12th announced it will deactivate a phone app that has tracked people’s movements during the pandemic.
China’s national outbreak has therefore begun. Various official news sources now suggest that cases are rampant in Beijing. If true, the rest of the country cannot be far behind. Hundreds of millions of people plan to travel back to their hometowns over the Chinese New Year in January, seeding infections across China’s vast rural hinterland. If the virus spreads as quickly as Omicron spread in the rest of the world last winter, there will be tens of millions of cases per day in just a few weeks’ time.
These decisions have put China’s elderly population in the firing line. China has 264m people aged 60 or above, and 36m aged 80 or above. According to National Health Commission statistics, 25m of those over-60s and 8m of those over-80s were never vaccinated at all. Tens of millions more got the first two doses but declined to get the booster. (The United States measures it differently, but 98.5% of American pensioners have now had at least one shot of much higher-efficacy vaccines than any available in China.)
In just the past two weeks, central government authorities have finally started to talk about the importance of vaccinating those at high risk, especially in care homes. But in the past, it has taken China at least four months to deliver a round of vaccinations to its vast population. Unless the whole country locks down again–an unlikely prospect–only a fraction of those at high risk will be vaccinated before the tsunami of infections arrives.
No one, including the Chinese government, knows what the fatality rate will be. New variants seem to be milder than the original Omicron. But China is the only country in the world where most of the population has never been naturally infected and, though most of the population is vaccinated, very few booster doses have been given in the past year. As a result, some younger, vaccinated people are likely to require hospitalisation as well.
Facing a chronic shortage of intensive-care beds and health-care workers, the system will need to kick triage into high gear. Health-care workers will also be infected in large numbers, making it even harder to deliver essential services at the peak of the wave.
Even if Chinese authorities are earnestly responding to the popular will by lifting the zero-covid policy, their failure to prepare for the worst-case scenario is puzzling. They could have imported Western mrna vaccines, which numerous studies have shown provide far better protection than their own. They could have imposed soft vaccination mandates for those at high risk. They could have stockpiled and delivered more effective anti-viral medication to the at-risk population, trained emergency nurses to help at the peak, and expanded intensive-care capacity in poorer parts of the country.
Just three or four months of dedicated preparation would have left China far better prepared to deal with a major national wave than it is today. Instead, most of the country’s covid spending has gone on testing and quarantine facilities, rather than hospitals. Spending on testing alone last year was worth one-fifth of its entire pre-pandemic health budget.
The Chinese authorities, and the Chinese people themselves, are suffering from lockdown fatigue and are determined to achieve a new and better normal. Though the decision to ditch zero covid is long overdue, the hasty and messy path toward re-opening may incur a devastating human toll that challenges the party’s own “people first, life first” approach.■
_______________Eyck Freymann is a postdoctoral research fellow at the Columbia-Harvard China & the World programme. Yanzhong Huang is a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations and a professor at Seton Hall University in New Jersey
One should never take the CCP’s word at face value. They know the game is up, that their zero Covid policy is on the brink of failure, so they’ve made an abrupt policy change. The onus and now the blame is now on the provincial and city authorities who had up till now been diligently following the directions from Beijing. They in turn will probably blame the protesters for spreading the very disease they were being protected against. It will turn out to be a classic case of victim blaming.
But then, if it kills a couple of million elderly, or middle aged single males with mo marriage prospects, it will probably do some good. As awful as that sounds.
wait we thought letting it rip was good
probably lying, nobody needs these so called experts
SCIENCE said:
Scientists Surprised That Hypercapitalist Arseholes Tune Algorithms To Profit
SCIENCE said:
probably lying, nobody needs these so called experts
Almost lying, can get supply of imported stuff, non pbs and more expensive.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Two health experts say China’s haste to re-open risks needless death and disruption
Eyck Freymann and Yanzhong Huang say the government’s new approach is worryingDec 13th 2022
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fortunate thing the the libertarian supremacists weren’t helping with that, otherwise it might have happened sooner, made dynamic zero impossible
and the supremacists aren’t instrumentally distancing themselves from their own good work, influence, effect
poikilotherm said:
SCIENCE said:
probably lying, nobody needs these so called experts
Almost lying, can get supply of imported stuff, non pbs and more expensive.
we mean adhders can just cook up their own amphetamines too a
transition said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Two health experts say China’s haste to re-open risks needless death and disruption
Eyck Freymann and Yanzhong Huang say the government’s new approach is worryingDec 13th 2022
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fortunate thing the the libertarian supremacists weren’t helping with that, otherwise it might have happened sooner, made dynamic zero impossible
and the supremacists aren’t instrumentally distancing themselves from their own good work, influence, effect
well look CHINA should have ripped it let earlier, then everyone would have known that it was the wrong thing to do because CHINA was doing it, then we’d all be smarter and lockdowns wouldn’t have caused all this susceptibility to RSV and dogs and shit
SCIENCE said:
transition said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Two health experts say China’s haste to re-open risks needless death and disruption
Eyck Freymann and Yanzhong Huang say the government’s new approach is worryingDec 13th 2022
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fortunate thing the the libertarian supremacists weren’t helping with that, otherwise it might have happened sooner, made dynamic zero impossible
and the supremacists aren’t instrumentally distancing themselves from their own good work, influence, effect
well look CHINA should have ripped it let earlier, then everyone would have known that it was the wrong thing to do because CHINA was doing it, then we’d all be smarter and lockdowns wouldn’t have caused all this susceptibility to RSV and dogs and shit
certainly was a monstrous enthusiasm to eliminate examples of regions, States and countries that successfully sustained dynamic zero, couldn’t get rid of them fast enough, in the service of easy travel and diminished responsibility for covid
successful dynamic zero, examples of, were considered more of a threat than covid
https://www.msn.com/en-au/money/markets/queensland-fisheries-heat-tolerant-oyster-breeding-breakthrough-offers-hope-as-ocean-temperatures-rise/ar-AA15oOvt?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=774bb22586764497b1912e371a96a983
Queensland Fisheries’ heat-tolerant oyster breeding breakthrough offers hope as ocean temperatures rise
Scientists have made a “game-changing” breakthrough they hope will future-proof Queensland’s oyster farming industry against the devastating impacts of climate change.
Researchers in the state’s south-east have successfully bred Blacklip rock oysters, a fast-growing, disease-resistant, heat-tolerant species they hope will help the clean green aquaculture industry not only survive but expand exponentially.
Blacklip rock oysters have been reared in a Northern Territory hatchery, but never this far south, where most of Queensland’s farms are currently located.
At the Bribie Island Research Centre, Queensland Fisheries’ scientists Max Wingfield and Aiden Mellor are working to give growers options in what and where they farm.
All but one of Queensland’s oyster farmers produce Sydney rock oysters.
The oysters prefer cooler water and their northern limit is the Town of 1770, restricting oyster farms to just 15 per cent of Queensland’s vast coastline.
Sydney rock oysters have been plagued by the parasitic ‘QX’ disease, which wiped out many oyster crops in New South Wales this year.
“We’re trying to find another species that oyster farmers can grow together, so when they have one problem with one oyster, the other one can still get to market,” Mr Mellor said.
It was a tricky task to get the mollusc’s planktonic free-swimming larvae to “settle” and form shells in the Bribie Island Research Centre’s oyster nursery. The spat (baby oysters) had to survive winter outside in the salt-water ponds.
Huge potential
Blacklip rock oysters can be farmed much more widely geographically, but there has been a major barrier.
The process of catching their young in the wild and successfully raising them is time-consuming, unreliable, and frustrating.
Bowen Fresh Oysters owner, John Collison, runs Australia’s only Blacklip rock oyster farm.
It takes up to eight months of growth to tell whether the spats he has gathered from ocean currents are Blacklip rock oysters or other more plentiful, less productive species. The success rate is just five to 10 per cent.
“The hatchery is much more efficient,” Mr Wingfield said.
“We can provide 100 per cent Blacklip oyster spat, with all the advances that modern aquaculture is making with selective breeding and improvement.”
Queensland’s oyster aquaculture industry was valued at just $500,000 in 2019–2020, but Fisheries Minister Mark Furner described the breeding breakthrough as “a game-changer.”
“Blacklips and other tropical rock oysters have an estimated production value of $72.6 million, potentially more than double the value of the barramundi industry,” Mr Furner said.
Mr Collison agreed the research could transform oyster farming.
The 72-year-old, who has been growing oysters for more than 40 years, said it would cut his work by three-quarters.
“It’s unbelievably good,” he said.
“I owe them the world with what they’ve done.
“They are a fantastic oyster. They’re really hardy, they handle a lot of temperature range, they cop a flogging, and they just go go go — and they taste really good.”
Another 35 prime adult oysters have been sent from Bowen to the research centre so the breeding experiment can be replicated.
Feeding them a special diet of microalgae, the scientists will attempt to get the broodstock to spawn in January 2023, with the aim of delivering hundreds of thousands of juvenile oysters north to the farm.
Baby steps
Much more work will be needed before the industry can be expanded.
Blacklip rock oysters have been found as far south as the Town of 1770 in Queensland, but the full extent of their range is unknown because most of Australia’s ancient shellfish reefs have been destroyed.
“Because they’re not recognised as native to Moreton Bay, we have to go through the appropriate process,” Mr Wingfield said.
“The regulators need to be confident that the Blacklip wouldn’t pose any sort of an environmental problem if they were farmed in south-east Queensland.”
Oyster farming is considered one of the cleanest forms of aquaculture. They do not require feeding, and farms provide habitat for other species.
“They do a fantastic job in filtering and cleaning the water and improving the water quality of the environment,” Mr Wingfield said.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Two health experts say China’s haste to re-open risks needless death and disruption
Eyck Freymann and Yanzhong Huang say the government’s new approach is worryingDec 13th 2022
In the weeks since Chinese authorities suppressed the anti-lockdown protests that began on November 25th, the “zero-covid” policy has been turned on its head. Under the pretext of following the democratic will, Chinese authorities have lurched from excessive caution to a hands-off approach.
Beijing is already experiencing a major outbreak. The rest of China is probably close behind and will face a massive wave in January. But because the government reversed its longstanding policy without a roadmap to reopening, undervaccinated elderly citizens have not been given enough time to get a booster shot. The result is likely to be more than a million deaths over the next few months– hundreds of thousands of them preventable.
Few people saw this coming. In mid-November, health officials announced 20 new guidelines for “optimising” covid-management procedures. Yet People’s Daily, the party mouthpiece insisted that the goal was not an end to zero covid, but rather a better “balance” between zero covid and the needs of the broader society and economy. As recently as last month, party media were covering covid outbreaks in Western countries on a nearly daily basis, painting them as scenes of chaos and despair and boasting that China’s “people-first” policies were superior.
The Chinese government clearly wanted a new equilibrium that delivered both zero covid and economic normality. The problem was that it never figured out how to achieve this. Local officials struggled to reconcile the two contradictory directives. Over the course of November, daily cases skyrocketed.
When the central government realised that “optimisation” was not working, its first instinct was to slam on the brakes again. On November 21st Sun Chunlan, a deputy prime minister in charge of public health, travelled to the south-western city of Chongqing to instruct local officials to lock back down. From Beijing to Guangzhou, cities across China began to follow her instructions. In November alone, the government traced and identified approximately 5.2m close contacts. Some 1.5m of them were sent to quarantine in centralised facilities, more than twice as many as had been quarantined during the entire pandemic to date. This was the key trigger of the protests that began on November 25th.
Then, as if to respond to the simmering social discontent, the party made the policy U-turn almost overnight. On November 30th, Ms Sun claimed that the virus had mutated to become far less deadly, and that the nation now faced an entirely “new situation.” She also stopped using the party’s previous slogan, “dynamic zero-covid”. Now, party media are instructing the population not to worry about being infected. They are also suggesting traditional Chinese medicine can help protect against the disease.
One by one, the Chinese government is lifting its remaining pandemic restrictions. Mild cases are now allowed to isolate at home. Testing rates have plummeted so fast that it is impossible to tell where the major outbreaks are. Citizens no longer need to show qr codes proving a recent negative test to travel or enter public venues, and the government on December 12th announced it will deactivate a phone app that has tracked people’s movements during the pandemic.
China’s national outbreak has therefore begun. Various official news sources now suggest that cases are rampant in Beijing. If true, the rest of the country cannot be far behind. Hundreds of millions of people plan to travel back to their hometowns over the Chinese New Year in January, seeding infections across China’s vast rural hinterland. If the virus spreads as quickly as Omicron spread in the rest of the world last winter, there will be tens of millions of cases per day in just a few weeks’ time.
These decisions have put China’s elderly population in the firing line. China has 264m people aged 60 or above, and 36m aged 80 or above. According to National Health Commission statistics, 25m of those over-60s and 8m of those over-80s were never vaccinated at all. Tens of millions more got the first two doses but declined to get the booster. (The United States measures it differently, but 98.5% of American pensioners have now had at least one shot of much higher-efficacy vaccines than any available in China.)
In just the past two weeks, central government authorities have finally started to talk about the importance of vaccinating those at high risk, especially in care homes. But in the past, it has taken China at least four months to deliver a round of vaccinations to its vast population. Unless the whole country locks down again–an unlikely prospect–only a fraction of those at high risk will be vaccinated before the tsunami of infections arrives.
No one, including the Chinese government, knows what the fatality rate will be. New variants seem to be milder than the original Omicron. But China is the only country in the world where most of the population has never been naturally infected and, though most of the population is vaccinated, very few booster doses have been given in the past year. As a result, some younger, vaccinated people are likely to require hospitalisation as well.
Facing a chronic shortage of intensive-care beds and health-care workers, the system will need to kick triage into high gear. Health-care workers will also be infected in large numbers, making it even harder to deliver essential services at the peak of the wave.
Even if Chinese authorities are earnestly responding to the popular will by lifting the zero-covid policy, their failure to prepare for the worst-case scenario is puzzling. They could have imported Western mrna vaccines, which numerous studies have shown provide far better protection than their own. They could have imposed soft vaccination mandates for those at high risk. They could have stockpiled and delivered more effective anti-viral medication to the at-risk population, trained emergency nurses to help at the peak, and expanded intensive-care capacity in poorer parts of the country.
Just three or four months of dedicated preparation would have left China far better prepared to deal with a major national wave than it is today. Instead, most of the country’s covid spending has gone on testing and quarantine facilities, rather than hospitals. Spending on testing alone last year was worth one-fifth of its entire pre-pandemic health budget.
The Chinese authorities, and the Chinese people themselves, are suffering from lockdown fatigue and are determined to achieve a new and better normal. Though the decision to ditch zero covid is long overdue, the hasty and messy path toward re-opening may incur a devastating human toll that challenges the party’s own “people first, life first” approach.■
_______________Eyck Freymann is a postdoctoral research fellow at the Columbia-Harvard China & the World programme. Yanzhong Huang is a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations and a professor at Seton Hall University in New Jersey
Well all the protesters will be among the first infected so they will be among the predicted 1.5 million deaths. Already the crematoriums were running 24/7. They won’t have anywhere to put the bodies.
SCIENCE said:
Good News Your Vaccine Now Lasts All Of Two Fucking Months Laugh Out Loud
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/stay-up-to-date.html
Anyone gotten the bivalent booster that was available on the 12th of December in Australia?
LOL
SCIENCE said:
LOL
oops
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/dec/16/australias-latest-covid-wave-nears-peak-but-cases-to-stay-high-through-christmas-experts-say
a gem for you to read, master science
transition said:
a gem for you to read, master science
SCIENCE said:
transition said:
a gem for you to read, master science
the government is doing as little as possible be nearer the reality, backed off for rapid hybrid immunity, though are keen to help with markets related biotech etc
expensive as hell with all the convalescences required, from long covid etc whatever related
all helps though with the culture of indifference to assist the transition to the new world order
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ChrispenEvan said:
Michael V said:
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This: Food products containing unsafe plant material may cause illness if consumed, the recall notice warns.
?
So does anyone have any idea of this undesirable plant material?
or is it simply the chemistry of the greens?
Many plant speces make their own poisons to protect against being eaten.
They do.
More information needed – eg URL.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-17/woolworths-aldi-recall-products-amid-contamination-concerns/101784644
This contains a link to this article, which indicates that the products may be contaminated with a poisonous weed:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-15/nsw-health-contaminated-spinach-nine-hospitalised/101779372
Ms Pearce said the children affected were in a stable condition, despite being unwell.
“I have had no further updates today to suggest that there’s any deterioration there but delirium, confusion, hallucinations and so on, and just generally being very unwell.”
Late on Friday, Victoria’s health department issued a warning about the spinach, and said reports of unusual symptoms had been reported in both NSW and Victoria.
A Riviera Farms spokesperson said the product may have been “contaminated with a weed which can have health consequences if consumed”.
I would guess that being market gardeners some of their ‘cash crop” got mixed with the salad items.
““I have had no further updates today to suggest that there’s any deterioration there but delirium, confusion, hallucinations and so on, and just generally being very unwell.”
…
Some people pay good money for those sort of things.
I’m still curious about what plant got in with the spinach. If it was dodgy pickers, who picked a weed leaf it has to look like spinach. By now the authorities should have been able to pick it out from one of the packets and identify it.
Probably nightshade.
Datura
So why would they be growing datura at a spinach farm?
But Datura is a bush (and very quickly a bush) while spinach is more like a groundcovery plant. I suppose inexperienced pickers might not know this. And that only works if it is field grown, not if it is hydroponic/indoor. Which I think a lot of greens are these days.
Yes. It is.
If outdoors there is a possibility of nightshade.
I think it is baby spinach in question too, which would be more likely hydroponic?
These days yeah. Probably. I didn’t seem to get much info on their farming practices. The Ronola family farms here had the listeria outbreak. They have multi million dollar equipment for washing and all that.
Rombola.
Could they be mavhine harvested rather than picked by hand? Might not even have noticed that a weed was growing there, if that was the case.
They are largely machine harvested washed and sorted. Hands my be involved in packaging.
ahahahahaha
Anticholinergic poisoning associated with frozen spinach
Datura stramonium grew with spinach in the field as a weed and contaminated the spinach due to insufficient entry and exit controls. As a result of promptly spreading information and informing the public about the contaminated spinach product in the media, further cases of poisoning over the Easter holidays were successfully averted.
SCIENCE said:
roughbarkedThis: Food products containing unsafe plant material may cause illness if consumed, the recall notice warns.
?
So does anyone have any idea of this undesirable plant material?
or is it simply the chemistry of the greens?
party_pantsMany plant speces make their own poisons to protect against being eaten.
roughbarkedThey do.
Michael VMore information needed – eg URL.
party_pantshttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-17/woolworths-aldi-recall-products-amid-contamination-concerns/101784644
From Your ABC
Michael Vhttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-17/woolworths-aldi-recall-products-amid-contamination-concerns/101784644
This contains a link to this article, which indicates that the products may be contaminated with a poisonous weed:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-15/nsw-health-contaminated-spinach-nine-hospitalised/101779372
Ms Pearce said the children affected were in a stable condition, despite being unwell.
“I have had no further updates today to suggest that there’s any deterioration there but delirium, confusion, hallucinations and so on, and just generally being very unwell.”
Late on Friday, Victoria’s health department issued a warning about the spinach, and said reports of unusual symptoms had been reported in both NSW and Victoria.
A Riviera Farms spokesperson said the product may have been “contaminated with a weed which can have health consequences if consumed”.
ChrispenEvanI would guess that being market gardeners some of their ‘cash crop” got mixed with the salad items.
Witty Rejoinder”“I have had no further updates today to suggest that there’s any deterioration there but delirium, confusion, hallucinations and so on, and just generally being very unwell.”
…
Some people pay good money for those sort of things.
buffyI’m still curious about what plant got in with the spinach. If it was dodgy pickers, who picked a weed leaf it has to look like spinach. By now the authorities should have been able to pick it out from one of the packets and identify it.
roughbarkedProbably nightshade.
SCIENCEDatura
roughbarkedSo why would they be growing datura at a spinach farm?
buffyBut Datura is a bush (and very quickly a bush) while spinach is more like a groundcovery plant. I suppose inexperienced pickers might not know this. And that only works if it is field grown, not if it is hydroponic/indoor. Which I think a lot of greens are these days.
roughbarkedYes. It is.
If outdoors there is a possibility of nightshade.
buffyI think it is baby spinach in question too, which would be more likely hydroponic?
roughbarkedThese days yeah. Probably. I didn’t seem to get much info on their farming practices. The Ronola family farms here had the listeria outbreak. They have multi million dollar equipment for washing and all that.
roughbarkedRombola.
party_pantsCould they be mavhine harvested rather than picked by hand? Might not even have noticed that a weed was growing there, if that was the case.
roughbarkedThey are largely machine harvested washed and sorted. Hands my be involved in packaging.ahahahahaha
Anticholinergic poisoning associated with frozen spinach
Datura stramonium grew with spinach in the field as a weed and contaminated the spinach due to insufficient entry and exit controls. As a result of promptly spreading information and informing the public about the contaminated spinach product in the media, further cases of poisoning over the Easter holidays were successfully averted.
ah well we might try formatting it better next time
LOL
China’s largest city, Shanghai, has ordered most of its schools to take classes online as Covid cases soar. Nurseries and childcare centres will also shut from Monday, according to Shanghai’s education bureau. Restrictions were eased by Chinese authorities earlier this month following a wave of protests targeting China’s zero-Covid strategy. But the easing of strict lockdown measures has led to growing concerns over the spread of Covid in China.
you know if you considered the government to be the apparatus that runs the business called australia, to whatever extent allow yourself some conceptual liberty with that, even limited government, apply subsidiary function or whatever regard limited intervention, if you consider the mass injury and death caused by wild unlimited covid infection, policies or lack of allowing that, australia is a very dangerous business and workplace to do anything, given the mass maiming and death in progress
any business that had an OHS policy allowing that sort of injury and carnage ordinarily would get a lot of adverse attention
so it’s safe probably to say the pressure to tolerate the ordinarily intolerable comes from outside australia, the pressure comes from outside, otherwise australia (and other countries) would try to eliminate it
in some way the tolerance is an outside phenomenon, so to speak, courtesy easy travel largely, want for, status of, equates liberty in no small way, to no small extent, the pressure to tolerate unlimited covid comes from outside
of course whatever country you’re in there is an outside, most of everything is outside, outside the country you’re in, most the world is outside even any individuals conceptualization, in fact most it is for sure outside any conceptualization
but consider for a moment, have an incorrect thought maybe, consider things evolved to there more being only an outside, conception so, distorted so, imagine the dumb that might lend to, some sort of social constructionist world view emerged that, really was more an unconscious contagion, undermined the core business of government, good government, and undermined democracy
frankly I think that’s where things are at, a strange conceptual migration to the view there is only an outside, or it should be strange, or thought of for a few moments as possibly strange
ahahahahahahahahaha
https://www.ft.com/content/598c81b7-bbc7-40f2-ba04-eed0dddfb989
The coronavirus sweeping across China is causing widespread business disruption as staffing shortages threaten to close down factory production lines and truck drivers fall ill, bringing chaos to supply chains.
impossible
nobody could have predicted this
oh wait
However investors are hoping that the period of short-term disruption will accelerate China’s opening up, after three years of being isolated from the rest of the world.
shouldn’t have to wait long at all, plenty of people looking for work, it’s only a short term disruption
who needs healthcare
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHfMSzuwdMg
Tau.Neutrino said:
WHO estimates nearly 15 million COVID deaths – triple official figures
The economy grew though, inflation went up, interest rates as well, banks happy
Cymek said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
WHO estimates nearly 15 million COVID deaths – triple official figures
The economy grew though, inflation went up, interest rates as well, banks happy
ahahahahahaha
hey ChatGPT tell us what buyer’s remorse in 5 years means
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-19/long-covid-symptoms-treatment-recovery/101751410
SCIENCE said:
hey ChatGPT tell us what buyer’s remorse in 5 years means
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-19/long-covid-symptoms-treatment-recovery/101751410
ahahahahahaha
https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(22)00439-8/fulltext
A 60-year-old Hispanic female was admitted with recurrent fevers, altered mental status, lymphadenopathy, hepatosplenomegaly, and pancytopenia. Initially, sepsis was presumed because of recurrent urinary tract infection with extended-spectrum beta-lactamase Escherichia coli. Despite appropriate therapy, her clinical condition continued to decline. An extensive workup was obtained to determine the source of her ailments. Bone marrow biopsy was negative for leukemia, lymphoma, and myelodysplastic syndrome; fluorescence in situ hybridization and a cytogenetic panel were normal; a lumbar puncture was negative. However, peripheral blood was remarkable for elevated titers for Epstein-Barr virus (EBV) consistent with chronic active EBV. Treatment with valganciclovir showed early positive results, but the patient became co-infected with COVID-19, and her EBV titer increased again, resulting in a precipitous health decline and death.
SCIENCE said:
hey ChatGPT tell us what buyer’s remorse in 5 years means
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-19/long-covid-symptoms-treatment-recovery/101751410
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ChatGPT
the page does seem to dodge the old reality that such a disease only a few years ago, given what emerged of the maiming (including death) it was doing – the mass maiming – wouldn’t have been encouraged into wild status, but that was a morality dissolved by whatever, i’ll let the reader ponder that
personally I think it requires delusion of some sort to let covid go, it’s a radical thing to do
I wonder what else is being let go because it’s considered too contagious or too big to contain
whatever, i’m sure the survival bias and fitness bias of the accelerationists has considerable appeal, I bet the chinese are working on increasing the efficiency and throughput of their crematoria
SCIENCE said:
ahahahahahahahahaha
https://www.ft.com/content/598c81b7-bbc7-40f2-ba04-eed0dddfb989
The coronavirus sweeping across China is causing widespread business disruption as staffing shortages threaten to close down factory production lines and truck drivers fall ill, bringing chaos to supply chains.
impossible
nobody could have predicted this
oh wait
However investors are hoping that the period of short-term disruption will accelerate China’s opening up, after three years of being isolated from the rest of the world.
shouldn’t have to wait long at all, plenty of people looking for work, it’s only a short term disruption
good, that’ll stop the drug trade
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
hey ChatGPT tell us what buyer’s remorse in 5 years means
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-19/long-covid-symptoms-treatment-recovery/101751410
ahahahahahaha
https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(22)00439-8/fulltext
A 60-year-old Hispanic female was admitted with recurrent fevers, altered mental status, lymphadenopathy, hepatosplenomegaly, and pancytopenia. Initially, sepsis was presumed because of recurrent urinary tract infection with extended-spectrum beta-lactamase Escherichia coli. Despite appropriate therapy, her clinical condition continued to decline. An extensive workup was obtained to determine the source of her ailments. Bone marrow biopsy was negative for leukemia, lymphoma, and myelodysplastic syndrome; fluorescence in situ hybridization and a cytogenetic panel were normal; a lumbar puncture was negative. However, peripheral blood was remarkable for elevated titers for Epstein-Barr virus (EBV) consistent with chronic active EBV. Treatment with valganciclovir showed early positive results, but the patient became co-infected with COVID-19, and her EBV titer increased again, resulting in a precipitous health decline and death.
:(
Flu-like diseases are up again, due to “mixed Omicron variant surge”.
mrs m asks if we’re the only people who haven’t caught covid.
mollwollfumble said:
Flu-like diseases are up again, due to “mixed Omicron variant surge”.
mrs m asks if we’re the only people who haven’t caught covid.
you’re the only people who haven’t tested
mollwollfumble said:
Flu-like diseases are up again, due to “mixed Omicron variant surge”.mrs m asks if we’re the only people who haven’t caught covid.
I haven’t caught covid
mollwollfumble said:
Flu-like diseases are up again, due to “mixed Omicron variant surge”.mrs m asks if we’re the only people who haven’t caught covid.
I haven’t caught covid
Arts said:
mollwollfumble said:
Flu-like diseases are up again, due to “mixed Omicron variant surge”.mrs m asks if we’re the only people who haven’t caught covid.
I haven’t caught covid
ditto.
I feel like we’ve been talking about covid for longer the Corby…
Arts said:
mollwollfumble said:
Flu-like diseases are up again, due to “mixed Omicron variant surge”.mrs m asks if we’re the only people who haven’t caught covid.
I haven’t caught covid
To not catch covid twice is truly fortunate.
Arts said:
I feel like we’ve been talking about covid for longer the Corby…
feb 2019 I think.
The Rev Dodgson said:
sarahs mum said:
Arts said:
Arts said:
mollwollfumble said:
Flu-like diseases are up again, due to “mixed Omicron variant surge”.
mrs m asks if we’re the only people who haven’t caught covid.
I haven’t caught covid
I haven’t caught covid
ditto.
To not catch covid twice is truly fortunate.
Only Victorians Are People
The Rev Dodgson said:
Arts said:
mollwollfumble said:
Flu-like diseases are up again, due to “mixed Omicron variant surge”.mrs m asks if we’re the only people who haven’t caught covid.
I haven’t caught covid
To not catch covid twice is truly fortunate.
I am just built different.
Arts said:
mollwollfumble said:
Flu-like diseases are up again, due to “mixed Omicron variant surge”.mrs m asks if we’re the only people who haven’t caught covid.
I haven’t caught covid
I haven’t either.
Global cases
Updated 19 Dec at 9:04 pm local
Confirmed
652,470,489
Deaths
6,664,177
scratches loose skin
you only get the nasty side effects if it’s used for the active agency right, if it’s just along for the ride then it can’t cause any harm
¿ right ?
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/12/16/health/vaccine-requirements-kff-survey-measles/index.html
More than a third of US parents say that vaccinating children against measles, mumps and rubella should be an individual choice and not a requirement to attend public school, even if that may create health risks, according to survey data published Friday by the Kaiser Family Foundation. That’s a notable increase from pre-pandemic times. A similar poll from the Pew Research Center found that 23% of parents opposed vaccine requirements in schools in 2019, but that’s now jumped to 35% in the KFF survey.
ah well good old days were good but mostly not old
ms spock said:
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
hey ChatGPT tell us what buyer’s remorse in 5 years means
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-19/long-covid-symptoms-treatment-recovery/101751410
ahahahahahaha
https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(22)00439-8/fulltext
A 60-year-old Hispanic female was admitted with recurrent fevers, altered mental status, lymphadenopathy, hepatosplenomegaly, and pancytopenia. Initially, sepsis was presumed because of recurrent urinary tract infection with extended-spectrum beta-lactamase Escherichia coli. Despite appropriate therapy, her clinical condition continued to decline. An extensive workup was obtained to determine the source of her ailments. Bone marrow biopsy was negative for leukemia, lymphoma, and myelodysplastic syndrome; fluorescence in situ hybridization and a cytogenetic panel were normal; a lumbar puncture was negative. However, peripheral blood was remarkable for elevated titers for Epstein-Barr virus (EBV) consistent with chronic active EBV. Treatment with valganciclovir showed early positive results, but the patient became co-infected with COVID-19, and her EBV titer increased again, resulting in a precipitous health decline and death.
:(
it’s fucking genius
Long Covid is costing the Australian economy the equivalent of $3.6 billion a year in lost output, the Australian Financial Review reported, citing an exclusive data analysis. Based on data from the country’s Treasury estimating some 31,000 workers called in sick because of the condition in June, the analysis by think tank Impact Economics and Policy found the economic cost came in at A$100 million ($68 million) a week, according to the AFR. That amounts to some A$5.2 billion on an annual basis.
SCIENCE said:
hey ChatGPT tell us what buyer’s remorse in 5 years means
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-19/long-covid-symptoms-treatment-recovery/101751410
I have my doubts doctors are the worst (worthy of special attention) regard abnormalizing more ambiguous illness behavior (mental states indicative of, subjective experience of symptoms), I mean a tendency to steer it into the psychosomatic category, there is though from the patient side an expectation of whatever be medicalized
substantial part of the force of ideology is in the power to abnormalize, I don’t see that being primary territory of doctors, the average doctor
makes a nice distraction though
there wouldn’t be a few doctors that don’t automatically reconcile unlimited community transmission of covid, I guess the angle helps that way
Bogsnorkler said:
Arts said:
mollwollfumble said:
Flu-like diseases are up again, due to “mixed Omicron variant surge”.mrs m asks if we’re the only people who haven’t caught covid.
I haven’t caught covid
I haven’t either.
add me to that list.
sarahs mum said:
Arts said:
mollwollfumble said:
Flu-like diseases are up again, due to “mixed Omicron variant surge”.mrs m asks if we’re the only people who haven’t caught covid.
I haven’t caught covid
ditto.
And another two here.
buffy said:
sarahs mum said:
Arts said:I haven’t caught covid
ditto.
And another two here.
As for that, Mrs rb hasn’t yet contracted Covid either.
As far as we are aware, neither Mrs V nor I have caught COVID-19 either.
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
ahahahahahahahahaha
https://www.ft.com/content/598c81b7-bbc7-40f2-ba04-eed0dddfb989
The coronavirus sweeping across China is causing widespread business disruption as staffing shortages threaten to close down factory production lines and truck drivers fall ill, bringing chaos to supply chains.
impossible
nobody could have predicted this
oh wait
However investors are hoping that the period of short-term disruption will accelerate China’s opening up, after three years of being isolated from the rest of the world.
shouldn’t have to wait long at all, plenty of people looking for work, it’s only a short term disruption
good, that’ll stop the drug trade
LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
fucked CHINA sorry you mean their overseas secret police
Concerned Chinese Australians have begun sending over-the-counter cold and flu medication to family members in China amid a surge there in COVID-19 cases that has depleted local stocks.
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:SCIENCE said:
ahahahahahahahahaha
https://www.ft.com/content/598c81b7-bbc7-40f2-ba04-eed0dddfb989
The coronavirus sweeping across China is causing widespread business disruption as staffing shortages threaten to close down factory production lines and truck drivers fall ill, bringing chaos to supply chains.
impossible
nobody could have predicted this
oh wait
However investors are hoping that the period of short-term disruption will accelerate China’s opening up, after three years of being isolated from the rest of the world.
shouldn’t have to wait long at all, plenty of people looking for work, it’s only a short term disruption
good, that’ll stop the drug trade
LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
fucked CHINA sorry you mean their overseas secret police
Concerned Chinese Australians have begun sending over-the-counter cold and flu medication to family members in China amid a surge there in COVID-19 cases that has depleted local stocks.
If people kept their noses warm, there would not be any of this happening.
SCIENCE said:
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/12/16/health/vaccine-requirements-kff-survey-measles/index.html
More than a third of US parents say that vaccinating children against measles, mumps and rubella should be an individual choice and not a requirement to attend public school, even if that may create health risks, according to survey data published Friday by the Kaiser Family Foundation. That’s a notable increase from pre-pandemic times. A similar poll from the Pew Research Center found that 23% of parents opposed vaccine requirements in schools in 2019, but that’s now jumped to 35% in the KFF survey.
ah well good old days were good but mostly not old
I couldn’t fine either of those people on Twitter.
ms spock said:
SCIENCE said:LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/12/16/health/vaccine-requirements-kff-survey-measles/index.html
More than a third of US parents say that vaccinating children against measles, mumps and rubella should be an individual choice and not a requirement to attend public school, even if that may create health risks, according to survey data published Friday by the Kaiser Family Foundation. That’s a notable increase from pre-pandemic times. A similar poll from the Pew Research Center found that 23% of parents opposed vaccine requirements in schools in 2019, but that’s now jumped to 35% in the KFF survey.
ah well good old days were good but mostly not old
I couldn’t fine either of those people on Twitter.
transition said:
SCIENCE said:hey ChatGPT tell us what buyer’s remorse in 5 years means
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-19/long-covid-symptoms-treatment-recovery/101751410
I have my doubts doctors are the worst (worthy of special attention) regard abnormalizing more ambiguous illness behavior (mental states indicative of, subjective experience of symptoms), I mean a tendency to steer it into the psychosomatic category, there is though from the patient side an expectation of whatever be medicalized
substantial part of the force of ideology is in the power to abnormalize, I don’t see that being primary territory of doctors, the average doctor
makes a nice distraction though
there wouldn’t be a few doctors that don’t automatically reconcile unlimited community transmission of covid, I guess the angle helps that way
In the end it is all really messing with my head. So I prescribed myself chocolate and yoghurt. No long term studies as of yet, but I will get back to you!
https://www.news.com.au/technology/science/human-body/dr-kerryn-phelps-reveals-devastating-covid-vaccine-injury-says-doctors-have-been-censored/news-story/0c1fa02818c99a5ff65f5bf852a382cf
Tamb said:
ms spock said:
SCIENCE said:LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/12/16/health/vaccine-requirements-kff-survey-measles/index.html
More than a third of US parents say that vaccinating children against measles, mumps and rubella should be an individual choice and not a requirement to attend public school, even if that may create health risks, according to survey data published Friday by the Kaiser Family Foundation. That’s a notable increase from pre-pandemic times. A similar poll from the Pew Research Center found that 23% of parents opposed vaccine requirements in schools in 2019, but that’s now jumped to 35% in the KFF survey.
ah well good old days were good but mostly not old
I couldn’t fine either of those people on Twitter.
Good thing they weren’t so vocal when polio was rampant.
That’s for sure Tamb!
I think we are going to see a resurgance of so many things…
roughbarked said:
buffy said:
sarahs mum said:ditto.
And another two here.
As for that, Mrs rb hasn’t yet contracted Covid either.
+1
ms spock said:
roughbarked said:
buffy said:And another two here.
As for that, Mrs rb hasn’t yet contracted Covid either.
+1
The Ross sister and her husband are the only members of my family who’ve had Covid so far.
Tamb said:
ms spock said:
SCIENCE said:LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/12/16/health/vaccine-requirements-kff-survey-measles/index.html
More than a third of US parents say that vaccinating children against measles, mumps and rubella should be an individual choice and not a requirement to attend public school, even if that may create health risks, according to survey data published Friday by the Kaiser Family Foundation. That’s a notable increase from pre-pandemic times. A similar poll from the Pew Research Center found that 23% of parents opposed vaccine requirements in schools in 2019, but that’s now jumped to 35% in the KFF survey.
ah well good old days were good but mostly not old
I couldn’t fine either of those people on Twitter.
Good thing they weren’t so vocal when polio was rampant.
When an effective polio vaccine became available, American parents were so thankful that there was a movement to have Jonas Salk’s birthday declared a national day of celebration.
ms spock said:
SCIENCE said:
ms spock said:
Dark Orange said:
Where were these investigative journalists before the election?
That is a very good question. We could as the same question about Australian journalists and Covid.
^
worldwide journalists
Other countries had very different reporting from Australia.
yes, but / and yet the same disinformation appears / appeared in almost all the reporting in almost all countries
Bubblecar said:
ms spock said:
Michael V said:
roughbarked said:
buffy said:
roughbarked said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Arts said:
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
sarahs mum said:
Arts said:
Arts said:
SCIENCE said:
mollwollfumble said:
Flu-like diseases are up again, due to “mixed Omicron variant surge”.
mrs m asks if we’re the only people who haven’t caught covid.
you’re the only people who haven’t tested
I haven’t caught covid
I haven’t caught covid
ditto.
To not catch covid twice is truly fortunate.
Only Victorians Are People
I am just built different.
I haven’t either.
add me to that list.
And another two here.
As for that, Mrs rb hasn’t yet contracted Covid either.
As far as we are aware, neither Mrs V nor I have caught COVID-19 either.
+1
The Ross sister and her husband are the only members of my family who’ve had Covid so far.
so what the fk was that joker going on about when he promised us that catching it was necessary and inevitable
speaking of reporting in Australia here is some excellent bias
you will notice that references to interrupting transmission of infectious disease are coloured by words like “draconian” and “harsh” and “severe” but the cost of infecting people with a high-mortality-high-morbidity disease is distanced and cast as “relaxing” and “experience” and “lack of preparation by authorities” so it must be good news, kill those dirty CHINA people
“it could be worse”
LOL
“There is no quantifiable data available at present on the rise in incidence of sudden cardiac death but anecdotal evidence clearly suggests so,” Dr Rakesh Yadav, professor of cardiology at AIIMS, said, adding that it could be linked to long Covid.
oh good no need to be precautionary then
we were going to say “he probably has short co…” but thankfully we stopped ourselves before mentioning the virus infectious disease that shall not be named
thread about excess deaths and bare faced underreporting in C…A you know the place
https://twitter.com/MoriartyLab/status/1604932269952606215
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/12/18/china-covid-model-deaths/
SCIENCE said:
speaking of reporting in Australia here is some excellent bias
you will notice that references to interrupting transmission of infectious disease are coloured by words like “draconian” and “harsh” and “severe” but the cost of infecting people with a high-mortality-high-morbidity disease is distanced and cast as “relaxing” and “experience” and “lack of preparation by authorities” so it must be good news, kill those dirty CHINA people
crosseyes derrr look da wiberwal cuntrees not has propergander mashine, no we all free and twoof is all we do
hide citement bout covid bomb, dissemblies, I wuvs twoof
transition said:
SCIENCE said:
speaking of reporting in Australia here is some excellent bias
you will notice that references to interrupting transmission of infectious disease are coloured by words like “draconian” and “harsh” and “severe” but the cost of infecting people with a high-mortality-high-morbidity disease is distanced and cast as “relaxing” and “experience” and “lack of preparation by authorities” so it must be good news, kill those dirty CHINA people
crosseyes derrr look da wiberwal cuntrees not has propergander mashine, no we all free and twoof is all we do
hide citement bout covid bomb, dissemblies, I wuvs twoof
ahahahahahaha
https://twitter.com/beansprouts_mom/status/1604876684897177600
ahahahaha
of course they aren’t, they’re drones, existing only to serve The Economy Must Grow, don’t be stupid
Michael V said:
buffy said:
Good grief…now we are reporting on trials that haven’t even recruited participants yet…there is no way this should be in the news at this stage.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-21/long-covid-treatment-trial-drug-low-dose-naltrexone/101770626
It’s an advertisement to recruit the participants.
so they want more people to have long co
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
buffy said:
Good grief…now we are reporting on trials that haven’t even recruited participants yet…there is no way this should be in the news at this stage.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-21/long-covid-treatment-trial-drug-low-dose-naltrexone/101770626
It’s an advertisement to recruit the participants.
so they want more people to have long co
I guess if a broadcaster broadcasted broadcasts in favor of transmission of limitless unlimited contagious contagion, propagated a propagatory view of favorable endemic endemicity resulting in endless infective infection, helping the evolution of an evolving pathogenic pathogen, a disease that causes dis-ease in not a few quite a lot, casualized normal an unnecessary necessity for an anywhere everywhere wild status of living with something that maims and remaims
i’m sure they didn’t and don’t, wouldn’t be looking for good news to offset that, distractions
transition said:
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
It’s an advertisement to recruit the participants.
so they want more people to have long co
I guess if a broadcaster broadcasted broadcasts in favor of transmission of limitless unlimited contagious contagion, propagated a propagatory view of favorable endemic endemicity resulting in endless infective infection, helping the evolution of an evolving pathogenic pathogen, a disease that causes dis-ease in not a few quite a lot, casualized normal an unnecessary necessity for an anywhere everywhere wild status of living with something that maims and remaims
i’m sure they didn’t and don’t, wouldn’t be looking for good news to offset that, distractions
“gee this SARACAIDS-CoV thing sounds bad, maybe we don’t want to catch chronic disease for the rest of our years shorter lives”
“don’t worry, here’s a plug for a study that we’re planning to run that might show some benefit for some aspects of that chronic disease, carry on, The Economy Must Grow, get to it”
https://www.news.com.au/technology/science/human-body/yes-they-claimed-the-vaccines-would-prevent-transmission/news-story/a176eb002c29e603fc29ef9fe0b33b18
few months old, among my reads shortly ago and now
I think it fairly obvious, or if not obvious still likely of reality, that if a vaccine is used to devolve responsibility, down to individuals as the noises go, then the devolution progresses, has a trajectory of diminished responsibility, and diminishing responsibility, extending to and including no responsibility, which probably of not a few examples includes irresponsibility, though saying irresponsibility involves a moral argument, judgements that way
but just based on the dry facts, it’s probably safe to say the vaccine was used to devolve responsibility
certainly did that, effective to that end
SCIENCE
CHINA
ASNSW
oh wait, their union we mean
SCIENCE said:
CHINA
LOL
Scientists find key reason why loss of smell occurs in long COVID-19
The reason some people fail to recover their sense of smell after COVID-19 is linked to an ongoing immune assault on olfactory nerve cells and an associated decline in the number of those cells, a team of scientists led by Duke Health report.
more…
Tau.Neutrino said:
Scientists find key reason why loss of smell occurs in long COVID-19
The reason some people fail to recover their sense of smell after COVID-19 is linked to an ongoing immune assault on olfactory nerve cells and an associated decline in the number of those cells, a team of scientists led by Duke Health report.
more…
persistent brain damage who doesn’t like that
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
CHINA
LOL
oh oops we might have cited the wrong middle kingdom wait the deaths are the same
SCIENCE said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Scientists find key reason why loss of smell occurs in long COVID-19
The reason some people fail to recover their sense of smell after COVID-19 is linked to an ongoing immune assault on olfactory nerve cells and an associated decline in the number of those cells, a team of scientists led by Duke Health report.
more…
persistent brain damage who doesn’t like that
True, you just can’t enough of that persistant brain damage…
Tau.Neutrino said:
Scientists find key reason why loss of smell occurs in long COVID-19The reason some people fail to recover their sense of smell after COVID-19 is linked to an ongoing immune assault on olfactory nerve cells and an associated decline in the number of those cells, a team of scientists led by Duke Health report.
more…
viral insult, made more likely by prolific plague
I did has me some of that, quite a few times, I can’t get enough of it, the anywhere-everywhere-nobody’s-responsible-for-it-border-smasher
How long would it take to rid us of Covid if everyone wore masks ?
Tau.Neutrino said:
How long would it take to rid us of Covid if everyone wore masks ?
With ventilation as has been legislated in Belgium – possibly three months?
ms spock said:
SCIENCE said:Tau.Neutrino said:
Scientists find key reason why loss of smell occurs in long COVID-19
The reason some people fail to recover their sense of smell after COVID-19 is linked to an ongoing immune assault on olfactory nerve cells and an associated decline in the number of those cells, a team of scientists led by Duke Health report.
more…
persistent brain damage who doesn’t like that
True, you just can’t enough of that persistant brain damage…
That’s why we take drugs like alcohol.
Tau.Neutrino said:
How long would it take to rid us of Covid if everyone wore masks ?
3 million seconds
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LOL actually
Neutralization against BA.2.75.2, BQ.1.1, and XBB from mRNA Bivalent Booster
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2214293#.Y6OFQ07VsO0.twitter
Persons who received either one or two monovalent Covid-19 vaccine boosters had much lower neutralization activity against omicron subvariants (especially against BA.2.75.2, BQ.1.1, and XBB, which contain the predicted escape mutation R346T) than that against the WA1/2020 strain.
Kii might have better access to vaccines before she returns to Australia.
roughbarked said:
ms spock said:
SCIENCE said:persistent brain damage who doesn’t like that
True, you just can’t enough of that persistant brain damage…
That’s why we take drugs like alcohol.
I don’t drink but sometimes due to Covid I considered it. I have had a bottle of vodka for ten years now. So it is my emergency supply. But I will keep it for sterilising wounds in the advent of a zombie apocalypse.
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
CHINA
LOL
:(
Ten COVID Facts Health Officials Dangerously Downplay
We should be rallied to defend ourselves and our kids. Our leaders offer timid silence.
https://thetyee.ca/Analysis/2022/12/21/Ten-Downplayed-COVID-Facts/
ms spock said:
Ten COVID Facts Health Officials Dangerously Downplay
We should be rallied to defend ourselves and our kids. Our leaders offer timid silence.https://thetyee.ca/Analysis/2022/12/21/Ten-Downplayed-COVID-Facts/
oh yes it must have been necessary and inevitable
It’s Only Taken 3 Years (Oh All Right, 2) To Say It
https://twitter.com/fitterhappierAJ/status/1605746156822110208
SCIENCE said:
ms spock said:
Ten COVID Facts Health Officials Dangerously Downplay
We should be rallied to defend ourselves and our kids. Our leaders offer timid silence.https://thetyee.ca/Analysis/2022/12/21/Ten-Downplayed-COVID-Facts/
oh yes it must have been necessary and inevitable
like fucken derrr
the damage is done, stupid won
hey look suddenly Letting It Rip® and spinning low numbers are bad, they were good until CHINA did them
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-23/china-covid-zero-low-case-numbers-opening-up/101798776
SCIENCE said:
hey look suddenly Letting It Rip® and spinning low numbers are bad, they were good until CHINA did them
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-23/china-covid-zero-low-case-numbers-opening-up/101798776
not read it, won’t bother
the worldists are keen to declare the pandemic over, expand all the good luck with their border smashing friends, possibly as early as next year the pandemic will be deemed to have ended, they’d like to, or they’ll re-project the message it will be over soon so all have time to vanish the relationship with physical reality, with a devious social construction, consensus or whatever, a plague of sorts itself, a mind virus that assists the good work of the obliviators, erased from your mind will be that what emerged was a casual superpandemic, a global covid bomb, a health bomb
china’s dynamic zero has been an obstacle to declaring it over, has been and is an obstacle to declaring it over sooner
humans have quite a lot in common with plague, more than most would be comfortable acknowledging, certainly goes largely unsaid, or unworded
.
LOL
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-23/concerns-over-future-of-some-long-covid-clinics/101801218
SCIENCE said:
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LOLhttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-23/concerns-over-future-of-some-long-covid-clinics/101801218
covid clinics gives the right impression anyway, keeping up appearances for the mass maiming, soften the perception of it, but consider for a moment how much of a magnet it is for hypochondriac malingerers
if the broadcaster did not much more than only contributing to burning the subject out, nothing more, would they have achieved something?
probably all helps the covidmongering endemicists hide a superpandemic that really maims so many it should be illegal, in my view, but seems to have been made fully legal, and acceptable, for anyone that doesn’t or doesn’t want think about it much, and who does really?
just some ideas above, my own views, wandering thoughts, perhaps incorrect thoughts
who cares, that day of strikes tipped it over and must have been the bulk of the 500 day waiting period
SCIENCE said:
who cares, that day of strikes tipped it over and must have been the bulk of the 500 day waiting period
Yeah, the UK is fucked. They went into austerity under the Cameron government back in the day and have never got out of it under Tory rule. A decade of mismanagement and spending cuts have seen the NHS slowly start failing. Throw in Covid, and then throw in Brexit and the difficulties in recruiting staff from Europe because of the end of free movement and things start to look a bit grim. They have nowhere near enough locals to fill all the available positions because the Tories have fucked over education too; and often those that do graduate get poached by other countries like Australia with the promise of a better lifestyle.
The Libertarians in the Tory party want to abolish the NHS and go fully private like the US anyway, as a long term plan. The poor will just have to fuck off or die.
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:who cares, that day of strikes tipped it over and must have been the bulk of the 500 day waiting period
Yeah, the UK is fucked. They went into austerity under the Cameron government back in the day and have never got out of it under Tory rule. A decade of mismanagement and spending cuts have seen the NHS slowly start failing. Throw in Covid, and then throw in Brexit and the difficulties in recruiting staff from Europe because of the end of free movement and things start to look a bit grim. They have nowhere near enough locals to fill all the available positions because the Tories have fucked over education too; and often those that do graduate get poached by other countries like Australia with the promise of a better lifestyle.
The Libertarians in the Tory party want to abolish the NHS and go fully private like the US anyway, as a long term plan. The poor will just have to fuck off or die.
I would have thought that proposing the NHS be privatised would be akin to anyone proposing the same for medicare – political suicide.
sibeen said:
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:who cares, that day of strikes tipped it over and must have been the bulk of the 500 day waiting period
Yeah, the UK is fucked. They went into austerity under the Cameron government back in the day and have never got out of it under Tory rule. A decade of mismanagement and spending cuts have seen the NHS slowly start failing. Throw in Covid, and then throw in Brexit and the difficulties in recruiting staff from Europe because of the end of free movement and things start to look a bit grim. They have nowhere near enough locals to fill all the available positions because the Tories have fucked over education too; and often those that do graduate get poached by other countries like Australia with the promise of a better lifestyle.
The Libertarians in the Tory party want to abolish the NHS and go fully private like the US anyway, as a long term plan. The poor will just have to fuck off or die.
I would have thought that proposing the NHS be privatised would be akin to anyone proposing the same for medicare – political suicide.
Well yeah, but you don’t have to speak openly about it. Just run it into the ground and start outsourcing small chunks of it to private providers.
party_pants said:
sibeen said:
party_pants said:Yeah, the UK is fucked. They went into austerity under the Cameron government back in the day and have never got out of it under Tory rule. A decade of mismanagement and spending cuts have seen the NHS slowly start failing. Throw in Covid, and then throw in Brexit and the difficulties in recruiting staff from Europe because of the end of free movement and things start to look a bit grim. They have nowhere near enough locals to fill all the available positions because the Tories have fucked over education too; and often those that do graduate get poached by other countries like Australia with the promise of a better lifestyle.
The Libertarians in the Tory party want to abolish the NHS and go fully private like the US anyway, as a long term plan. The poor will just have to fuck off or die.
I would have thought that proposing the NHS be privatised would be akin to anyone proposing the same for medicare – political suicide.
Well yeah, but you don’t have to speak openly about it. Just run it into the ground and start outsourcing small chunks of it to private providers.
if democracy had any socialist tendencies, you might wonder if there was a force inclined to crush it
which there is, i’d argue, it’s there every day emanating from your TV or whatever
transition said:
party_pants said:
sibeen said:I would have thought that proposing the NHS be privatised would be akin to anyone proposing the same for medicare – political suicide.
Well yeah, but you don’t have to speak openly about it. Just run it into the ground and start outsourcing small chunks of it to private providers.
if democracy had any socialist tendencies, you might wonder if there was a force inclined to crush it
which there is, i’d argue, it’s there every day emanating from your TV or whatever
That’s why one has media empires
oops
Cymek said:
transition said:
party_pants said:
Well yeah, but you don’t have to speak openly about it. Just run it into the ground and start outsourcing small chunks of it to private providers.
if democracy had any socialist tendencies, you might wonder if there was a force inclined to crush it
which there is, i’d argue, it’s there every day emanating from your TV or whatever
That’s why one has media empires
Privatise Fascism™¡
SCIENCE said:
oops
Nasty.
SCIENCE said:
oops
we’d LOL except
then you’d see all our missing teeth
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
oops
we’d LOL except
then you’d see all our missing teeth
Does other covid viruses cause all these problems (has it been studied for that matter) or just Covid 19, which it seems is a real bastard
Cymek said:
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
oops
we’d LOL except
then you’d see all our missing teeth
Does other covid viruses cause all these problems (has it been studied for that matter) or just Covid 19, which it seems is a real bastard
don’t know, they’ll probably want 50 years of RCTs before they say one way or another
but hey, when was the last time a justacold made all your teeth fall out
oh fuck eh
don’t worry we have the tools
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totally_drug-resistant_tuberculosis
oh fuck
After nine months, an update on NIH’s long Covid research
One eyebrow-raising criticism: the patient representatives helping with the study are required to sign restrictive non-disclosure agreements.
https://www.statnews.com/2022/12/22/after-nine-months-an-update-on-nihs-long-covid-research/
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
oops
we’d LOL except
then you’d see all our missing teeth
OMG! I know so many people who have been having dental challenges…
Cymek said:
SCIENCE said:SCIENCE said:
oops
we’d LOL except
then you’d see all our missing teeth
Does other covid viruses cause all these problems (has it been studied for that matter) or just Covid 19, which it seems is a real bastard
It is a real bastard!
SCIENCE said:
ms spock said:
Ten COVID Facts Health Officials Dangerously Downplay
We should be rallied to defend ourselves and our kids. Our leaders offer timid silence.https://thetyee.ca/Analysis/2022/12/21/Ten-Downplayed-COVID-Facts/
oh yes it must have been necessary and inevitable
I am just so angry.
South Korea, Iceland, Mongolia all had different public health measures and campaigns and things have gone so differently. My Taiwanese friends taught in masks the whole way through the pandemic,and all children managed to wear masks. All adults and children receive free masks and there is an app (that works!) so they can track down the new ones that they need.
A new study indicates that the expected fatality rate due to the speedy relaxation of restrictions in China is around 684 per million, meaning about 960000 fatalities nationwide.
The study was undertaken by researcher associated with the University of Hong Kong and was funded by the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Hong Kong government.
Vaccination rates remain mediocre with a quarter of elderly people not having received even a single shot.
Beijing has ended its mass testing program and hence will “no longer” be producing meaningful data on cases or deaths. Incidental evidence from hospitals and crematoria suggests case and death numbers are raging out of control.
dv said:
A new study indicates that the expected fatality rate due to the speedy relaxation of restrictions in China is around 684 per million, meaning about 960000 fatalities nationwide.The study was undertaken by researcher associated with the University of Hong Kong and was funded by the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Hong Kong government.
Vaccination rates remain mediocre with a quarter of elderly people not having received even a single shot.
Beijing has ended its mass testing program and hence will “no longer” be producing meaningful data on cases or deaths. Incidental evidence from hospitals and crematoria suggests case and death numbers are raging out of control.
Yeah. They seem to have gone from one extreme to the other.
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:who cares, that day of strikes tipped it over and must have been the bulk of the 500 day waiting period
Yeah, the UK is fucked. They went into austerity under the Cameron government back in the day and have never got out of it under Tory rule. A decade of mismanagement and spending cuts have seen the NHS slowly start failing. Throw in Covid, and then throw in Brexit and the difficulties in recruiting staff from Europe because of the end of free movement and things start to look a bit grim. They have nowhere near enough locals to fill all the available positions because the Tories have fucked over education too; and often those that do graduate get poached by other countries like Australia with the promise of a better lifestyle.
The Libertarians in the Tory party want to abolish the NHS and go fully private like the US anyway, as a long term plan. The poor will just have to fuck off or die.
John Pilger on The Dirty War on the NHS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zEw8xlcPmI
party_pants said:
sibeen said:
party_pants said:Yeah, the UK is fucked. They went into austerity under the Cameron government back in the day and have never got out of it under Tory rule. A decade of mismanagement and spending cuts have seen the NHS slowly start failing. Throw in Covid, and then throw in Brexit and the difficulties in recruiting staff from Europe because of the end of free movement and things start to look a bit grim. They have nowhere near enough locals to fill all the available positions because the Tories have fucked over education too; and often those that do graduate get poached by other countries like Australia with the promise of a better lifestyle.
The Libertarians in the Tory party want to abolish the NHS and go fully private like the US anyway, as a long term plan. The poor will just have to fuck off or die.
I would have thought that proposing the NHS be privatised would be akin to anyone proposing the same for medicare – political suicide.
Well yeah, but you don’t have to speak openly about it. Just run it into the ground and start outsourcing small chunks of it to private providers.
+1
ms spock said:
SCIENCE said:ms spock said:
Ten COVID Facts Health Officials Dangerously Downplay
We should be rallied to defend ourselves and our kids. Our leaders offer timid silence.https://thetyee.ca/Analysis/2022/12/21/Ten-Downplayed-COVID-Facts/
oh yes it must have been necessary and inevitable
I am just so angry.
South Korea, Iceland, Mongolia all had different public health measures and campaigns and things have gone so differently. My Taiwanese friends taught in masks the whole way through the pandemic,and all children managed to wear masks. All adults and children receive free masks and there is an app (that works!) so they can track down the new ones that they need.
All those countries, South Korea, Iceland, Mongolia and Taiwan have death rates per million that are basically identical to Australia’s.
sibeen said:
ms spock said:
SCIENCE said:
oh yes it must have been necessary and inevitable
I am just so angry.
South Korea, Iceland, Mongolia all had different public health measures and campaigns and things have gone so differently. My Taiwanese friends taught in masks the whole way through the pandemic,and all children managed to wear masks. All adults and children receive free masks and there is an app (that works!) so they can track down the new ones that they need.
All those countries, South Korea, Iceland, Mongolia and Taiwan have death rates per million that are basically identical to Australia’s.
so just like they told us at the start it doesn’t kill children it merely leaves them disabled
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
PermeateFree said:
Avian influenza in humans, also known as bird flu, is a type A influenza virus. It is lethal to poultry and is potentially fatal in humans. Bird flu spreads between both wild and domesticated birds. It has also been passed from birds to humans who are in close contact with poultry or other birds.
https://www.health.gov.au/diseases/avian-influenza-in-humans-bird-flu
Avian tuberculosis is out there waiting to get us.
LOL
So what’s so funny about that?
what’s so funny about any of this oh wait ahahahahahahaha
ahahahahahahaha nice peak
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
LOL
So what’s so funny about that?
LOL
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
LOL
So what’s so funny about that?
LOL
but media don’t tell people what to think
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
LOL
So what’s so funny about that?
LOL
ahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
So what’s so funny about that?
what’s so funny about any of this oh wait ahahahahahahaha
ahahahahahahaha nice peak
it’s a unfolding nightmare x 6.6 billion today, x 8 billion very soon, the host base for the good work, our border smashing virus friends that found a willing home in humans with a trajectory of coexistence, by mutual agreement of some sort, worth a thought that is, what mutual agreement with a virus is, how intelligence-raising that is likely to be, the prospect of moral improvement from that
nothing short of insane really, but maybe peak sanity was quite way back now, and fading fast into the distant past
transition said:
SCIENCE said:SCIENCE said:
what’s so funny about any of this oh wait ahahahahahahaha
ahahahahahahaha nice peak
it’s a unfolding nightmare x 6.6 billion today, x 8 billion very soon, the host base for the good work, our border smashing virus friends that found a willing home in humans with a trajectory of coexistence, by mutual agreement of some sort, worth a thought that is, what mutual agreement with a virus is, how intelligence-raising that is likely to be, the prospect of moral improvement from that
nothing short of insane really, but maybe peak sanity was quite way back now, and fading fast into the distant past
The moving tapestry doth move on.
roughbarked said:
transition said:
SCIENCE said:ahahahahahahaha nice peak
it’s a unfolding nightmare x 6.6 billion today, x 8 billion very soon, the host base for the good work, our border smashing virus friends that found a willing home in humans with a trajectory of coexistence, by mutual agreement of some sort, worth a thought that is, what mutual agreement with a virus is, how intelligence-raising that is likely to be, the prospect of moral improvement from that
nothing short of insane really, but maybe peak sanity was quite way back now, and fading fast into the distant past
The moving tapestry doth move on.
Closer to home, the situation appears to have taken a toll on the sanity of our correspondent, SCIENCE.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
transition said:it’s a unfolding nightmare x 6.6 billion today, x 8 billion very soon, the host base for the good work, our border smashing virus friends that found a willing home in humans with a trajectory of coexistence, by mutual agreement of some sort, worth a thought that is, what mutual agreement with a virus is, how intelligence-raising that is likely to be, the prospect of moral improvement from that
nothing short of insane really, but maybe peak sanity was quite way back now, and fading fast into the distant past
The moving tapestry doth move on.
Closer to home, the situation appears to have taken a toll on the sanity of our correspondent, SCIENCE.
You spotted the manic laugh as well?
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
transition said:it’s a unfolding nightmare x 6.6 billion today, x 8 billion very soon, the host base for the good work, our border smashing virus friends that found a willing home in humans with a trajectory of coexistence, by mutual agreement of some sort, worth a thought that is, what mutual agreement with a virus is, how intelligence-raising that is likely to be, the prospect of moral improvement from that
nothing short of insane really, but maybe peak sanity was quite way back now, and fading fast into the distant past
The moving tapestry doth move on.
Closer to home, the situation appears to have taken a toll on the sanity of our correspondent, SCIENCE.
Pseudobulbar affect (PBA) due to neurological conditions probably of which is due to to much reporting of Covid19 and all its variants.
Tau.Neutrino said:
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:The moving tapestry doth move on.
Closer to home, the situation appears to have taken a toll on the sanity of our correspondent, SCIENCE.
Pseudobulbar affect (PBA) due to neurological conditions probably of which is due to to much reporting of Covid19 and all its variants.
It appears long COVID has mutated into very long COVID and this too mutated into extremely very long COVID and then that too mutated into Nearly Infinite COVID (NIC) which has the following Neurological symptoms:
PBA can be managed with medication.
just reading this, notice it’s dated a year ago, quite interesting, beginning, end, and some between, the second and third-last paragraphs in particular, gives an impression possibly not entirely likely or warranted
https://www.smh.com.au/national/victoria/surge-in-victorians-seeking-treatment-for-debilitating-long-covid-20211118-p59a1g.html
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
captain_spalding said:Closer to home, the situation appears to have taken a toll on the sanity of our correspondent, SCIENCE.
Pseudobulbar affect (PBA) due to neurological conditions probably of which is due to to much reporting of Covid19 and all its variants.
It appears long COVID has mutated into very long COVID and this too mutated into extremely very long COVID and then that too mutated into Nearly Infinite COVID (NIC) which has the following Neurological symptoms:
- Difficulty thinking or concentrating (sometimes referred to as “brain fog”)
- Headache.
- Sleep problems.
- Dizziness when you stand up (lightheadedness)
- Pins-and-needles feelings.
- Change in smell or taste.
- Depression or anxiety.
- Mood Disorders affecting emotions thoughts and feelings.
- Fear of walking
- Fear of breathing
- Fear of eating or drinking
- Fear of sex
- Fear of people
- Fear of waking up
- Fear of dreaming
- Fear of living
- Uncontrollable and inappropriate laughing or crying
PBA can be managed with medication.
I have these due to my cancer
Difficulty thinking or concentrating (sometimes referred to as “chemo brain”)
Headache.
Sleep problems.
Dizziness when you stand up (Vestibular neuronitis )
Pins-and-needles feelings. (Peripheral neuropathy)
Change in smell or taste.
Lots of similarities with long covid.
Tamb said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Pseudobulbar affect (PBA) due to neurological conditions probably of which is due to to much reporting of Covid19 and all its variants.
It appears long COVID has mutated into very long COVID and this too mutated into extremely very long COVID and then that too mutated into Nearly Infinite COVID (NIC) which has the following Neurological symptoms:
- Difficulty thinking or concentrating (sometimes referred to as “brain fog”)
- Headache.
- Sleep problems.
- Dizziness when you stand up (lightheadedness)
- Pins-and-needles feelings.
- Change in smell or taste.
- Depression or anxiety.
- Mood Disorders affecting emotions thoughts and feelings.
- Fear of walking
- Fear of breathing
- Fear of eating or drinking
- Fear of sex
- Fear of people
- Fear of waking up
- Fear of dreaming
- Fear of living
- Uncontrollable and inappropriate laughing or crying
PBA can be managed with medication.
I have these due to my cancer
Difficulty thinking or concentrating (sometimes referred to as “chemo brain”)
Headache.
Sleep problems.
Dizziness when you stand up (Vestibular neuronitis )
Pins-and-needles feelings. (Peripheral neuropathy)
Change in smell or taste.Lots of similarities with long covid.
Side effects happen with diseases.
Side effects happen with medications.
One day cancer might get cured along with flu.
Always look on the bright side of life.
>>>Lots of similarities with long covid.
That’s interesting.
Tamb said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Pseudobulbar affect (PBA) due to neurological conditions probably of which is due to to much reporting of Covid19 and all its variants.
It appears long COVID has mutated into very long COVID and this too mutated into extremely very long COVID and then that too mutated into Nearly Infinite COVID (NIC) which has the following Neurological symptoms:
- Difficulty thinking or concentrating (sometimes referred to as “brain fog”)
- Headache.
- Sleep problems.
- Dizziness when you stand up (lightheadedness)
- Pins-and-needles feelings.
- Change in smell or taste.
- Depression or anxiety.
- Mood Disorders affecting emotions thoughts and feelings.
- Fear of walking
- Fear of breathing
- Fear of eating or drinking
- Fear of sex
- Fear of people
- Fear of waking up
- Fear of dreaming
- Fear of living
- Uncontrollable and inappropriate laughing or crying
PBA can be managed with medication.
I have these due to my cancer
Difficulty thinking or concentrating (sometimes referred to as “chemo brain”)
Headache.
Sleep problems.
Dizziness when you stand up (Vestibular neuronitis )
Pins-and-needles feelings. (Peripheral neuropathy)
Change in smell or taste.Lots of similarities with long covid.
Lots of similarities with lots and lots of things. They are all pretty vague and all encompassing symptoms. Many of them go with having your period. (I remember that. It’s not all that long ago)
Tau.Neutrino said:
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:The moving tapestry doth move on.
Closer to home, the situation appears to have taken a toll on the sanity of our correspondent, SCIENCE.
Pseudobulbar affect (PBA) due to neurological conditions probably of which is due to to much reporting of Covid19 and all its variants.
to be fair, you don’t know if master science has some vulnerability, he(or she, whatever) can’t know for sure either, and it is true people have been sold endemic covid like it is the medicine, as if infection and immunity that way are the medicine, hybrid immunity they say, and it’s killing not a few and maiming even more
a sane response to covid would be to avoid it, but the more there is circulating and persistently circulating the more unavoidable it is
anyway, master science’s interest (if you like) in covid might be considered no less adjusted than the indifference that assists the propagation of covid
i’d expect there are a lot of people that think unlimited wild covid is an absurd thing to allow, but your media friends don’t show you that
and there’s the survival bias, which has a special darwinian dimension in our culture
I mean you’re probably a secret darwinist, helps you feel adjusted, related notions do
Infinite COVID…
Yep.
Infinite number of symptoms…
Tau.Neutrino said:
>>>Lots of similarities with long covid.That’s interesting.
I don’t want seem too practical, but even a happened upon design such as the human body (brain included, and experience of both) has to have mechanisms that disincline intense activity (and stress) when unwell, or if unwell enough then little to no activity, extending to inclining sleep
these would be proximate mechanisms, call it a fatigue generator, or multiple mechanisms to that end, including heightened discomforts that increase aversion to activity, and aversion to being awake, incline rest and sleep, also reduces sociability i’d expect
this requires a sensation of some sort (mental state sensitivities, if you like), which is in the territory of subjective experience
consider a human in which such things didn’t exist (as a hypothetical proposition, but various conditions do actually exist), consider a near analogy of a human example that can’t sense pain, the dangers of having no pain
triple alpha look we accept that our take on the matter are entertaining but we do promise that when the pandemic is over we’ll be back to normal
LOL
If only China had taken Gladys’ (blessings and peace be upon her) advice earlier they wouldn’t be in this mess.
dear God the news re china and covid is horribly distorted, full of distortions, rabid enthusiasms, dissemblances and whatever, ghastly
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dear God the news re china and covid is horribly distorted, full of distortions, rabid enthusiasms, dissemblances and whatever, ghastly
In the absence of a free press and reliable and trustworthy government agencies, they is noise and speculation instead.
Conservative intellectuals call every damn vaccination mandate Communist, so it is kind of weird that the Chinese Communist Party is fkn shite at getting people vaccinated.
DV’s away on some left wing Crikey type rant.
Peak Warming Man said:
DV’s away on some left wing Crikey type rant.
How is criticism of communism a left wing rant?
party_pants said:
transition said:
dear God the news re china and covid is horribly distorted, full of distortions, rabid enthusiasms, dissemblances and whatever, ghastlyIn the absence of a free press and reliable and trustworthy government agencies, they is noise and speculation instead.
just more shit to go between advertisements I reckons, seems the way of the world
eventually you won’t be able tell the difference, not be able distinguish at all, probably the objective, no small conspiracy, with enough involved it couldn’t be, couldn’t be a conspiracy
LOL
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/crisis-emergency-department-deaths-b2248844.html
The crisis in Britain’s A&E departments has been linked to more than 15,000 deaths in six months, with as many as 500 patients a week dying because of long waits for emergency care.
don’t worry as long as it’s less than deaths in CHINA it’s all good
LOL
we …
have … …
the … … …
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(22)02597-1/fulltext
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Molnupiravir did not reduce the frequency of COVID-19-associated hospitalisations or death among high-risk vaccinated adults in the community.
genius
SCIENCE said:
genius
apparently this
is the article, taking 5 for the team
notice how CHINA name doctor is still quacking for zero
Ultimately, Cheng said the best defence was being up-to-date with your vaccines, doing what you could to protect yourself from being infected at all and staying home and testing yourself when you are unwell. “It’s better not getting COVID at all if you can help it,” he said.
What Would Experts Know
wholly fucked, will yous look at that immunity debt
LOL*
*: legit’, like, actually
SCIENCE said:
LOL*
*: legit’, like, actually
Triple viral outbreak?
dv said:
SCIENCE said:LOL*
*: legit’, like, actually
Triple viral outbreak?
*: influenza
**: RSV
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
oops
we’d LOL except
holy shit
LOL
As of November, India had recorded 12,773 cases of measles this year, according to the World Health Organization, making it the largest outbreak in 2022.
Children in India receive their first dose of the measles vaccine when they are 9–12 months old and a second dose at 15–18 months. Ninety-five per cent of children need to have received both doses of the vaccine to achieve herd immunity, when enough people have antibodies against the virus to prevent the illness from spreading. Between 2019 and 2021, only 56% of children received the recommended two doses of the measles vaccine by the time they were 3 years old, according to the India’s National Family Health Survey.
SCIENCE said:
holy shit
ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
holy shit
ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Is that legitimate?
PermeateFree said:
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
holy shit
ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Is that legitimate?
it’s a real screenshot we took, don’t know about the source though, we’ve never reported independent news from HK nor caught 37M infections from a minute of leak
hec’even CNN can’t confirm
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/12/23/china/china-covid-infections-250-million-intl-hnk/index.html
Almost 250 million people in China may have caught Covid-19 in the first 20 days of December, according to an internal estimate from the nation’s top health officials, Bloomberg News and the Financial Times reported Friday. If correct, the estimate – which CNN cannot independently confirm – would account for roughly 18% of China’s 1.4 billion people and represent the largest Covid-19 outbreak to date globally.
winner
runner up
SCIENCE said:
PermeateFree said:
SCIENCE said:
ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Is that legitimate?
it’s a real screenshot we took, don’t know about the source though, we’ve never reported independent news from HK nor caught 37M infections from a minute of leak
hec’even CNN can’t confirm
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/12/23/china/china-covid-infections-250-million-intl-hnk/index.html
Almost 250 million people in China may have caught Covid-19 in the first 20 days of December, according to an internal estimate from the nation’s top health officials, Bloomberg News and the Financial Times reported Friday. If correct, the estimate – which CNN cannot independently confirm – would account for roughly 18% of China’s 1.4 billion people and represent the largest Covid-19 outbreak to date globally.
ahahahahahahahahahahaha
SCIENCE said:
PermeateFree said:
SCIENCE said:
ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Is that legitimate?
it’s a real screenshot we took, don’t know about the source though, we’ve never reported independent news from HK nor caught 37M infections from a minute of leak
hec’even CNN can’t confirm
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/12/23/china/china-covid-infections-250-million-intl-hnk/index.html
Almost 250 million people in China may have caught Covid-19 in the first 20 days of December, according to an internal estimate from the nation’s top health officials, Bloomberg News and the Financial Times reported Friday. If correct, the estimate – which CNN cannot independently confirm – would account for roughly 18% of China’s 1.4 billion people and represent the largest Covid-19 outbreak to date globally.
That is amazing. Maybe start a massive wave in other countries too. Went shopping in Esperance last Thursday and despite many people, there were hardly any wearing masks.
here at least for yousr benefits we will end with funny
https://twitter.com/TRyanGregory/status/1606285544106778625
and something from the bad old days just to make yous all sad
https://twitter.com/DRTomlinsonEP/status/1606606748705591301
China estimates 250 million people have caught Covid in 20 days
Figures presented at closed-door meeting are in stark contrast to low official case count
Chinese officials estimate about 250mn people, or 18 per cent of the population, were infected with Covid-19 in the first 20 days of December, as Beijing abruptly dismantled restrictions that had contained the disease for almost three years.
The estimates — including 37mn people, or 2.6 per cent of the population, who were infected on Tuesday alone — were revealed by Sun Yang, a deputy director of the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention in a Wednesday health briefing, said two people familiar with the matter.
Sun said the rate of Covid’s spread in the country was still rising and estimated that more than half of the population in Beijing and Sichuan were already infected, the people briefed on the meeting said.
The explosion in cases followed Beijing’s decision this month to abandon its zero-Covid policy, which kept the virus at bay through mass testing, mandatory quarantine and draconian lockdowns.
Sun’s figures, which were provided in a closed-door meeting, contrast with data put out by the National Health Commission, which reported 62,592 symptomatic Covid cases over the same period. Last week, China stopped publicly trying to tally the total number of infections after authorities curtailed Covid testing.
The lack of published official information has led Washington and the World Health Organization to push Beijing to be more transparent about case counts, disease severity, hospital admission figures and other health statistics that have been made widely available by other countries.
In China’s capital and other cities, the wave of Covid infections has overwhelmed hospitals with an influx of elderly, bedridden patients and left emergency rooms and intensive care units with few available beds.
Yet the country has proceeded with shedding the zero-Covid policy as the medical toll mounts. Hong Kong’s chief executive John Lee on Saturday announced that long-awaited quarantine-free travel between the city and mainland China would resume as early as mid-January.
https://www.ft.com/content/1fb6044a-3050-44d8-b715-80c18ca5c9ab
dv said:
China estimates 250 million people have caught Covid in 20 daysFigures presented at closed-door meeting are in stark contrast to low official case count
Chinese officials estimate about 250mn people, or 18 per cent of the population, were infected with Covid-19 in the first 20 days of December, as Beijing abruptly dismantled restrictions that had contained the disease for almost three years.
The estimates — including 37mn people, or 2.6 per cent of the population, who were infected on Tuesday alone — were revealed by Sun Yang, a deputy director of the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention in a Wednesday health briefing, said two people familiar with the matter.
Sun said the rate of Covid’s spread in the country was still rising and estimated that more than half of the population in Beijing and Sichuan were already infected, the people briefed on the meeting said.
The explosion in cases followed Beijing’s decision this month to abandon its zero-Covid policy, which kept the virus at bay through mass testing, mandatory quarantine and draconian lockdowns.
Sun’s figures, which were provided in a closed-door meeting, contrast with data put out by the National Health Commission, which reported 62,592 symptomatic Covid cases over the same period. Last week, China stopped publicly trying to tally the total number of infections after authorities curtailed Covid testing.
The lack of published official information has led Washington and the World Health Organization to push Beijing to be more transparent about case counts, disease severity, hospital admission figures and other health statistics that have been made widely available by other countries.
In China’s capital and other cities, the wave of Covid infections has overwhelmed hospitals with an influx of elderly, bedridden patients and left emergency rooms and intensive care units with few available beds.
Yet the country has proceeded with shedding the zero-Covid policy as the medical toll mounts. Hong Kong’s chief executive John Lee on Saturday announced that long-awaited quarantine-free travel between the city and mainland China would resume as early as mid-January.
https://www.ft.com/content/1fb6044a-3050-44d8-b715-80c18ca5c9ab
Send in Science immediately.
Ian said:
dv said:
China estimates 250 million people have caught Covid in 20 daysFigures presented at closed-door meeting are in stark contrast to low official case count
Chinese officials estimate about 250mn people, or 18 per cent of the population, were infected with Covid-19 in the first 20 days of December, as Beijing abruptly dismantled restrictions that had contained the disease for almost three years.
The estimates — including 37mn people, or 2.6 per cent of the population, who were infected on Tuesday alone — were revealed by Sun Yang, a deputy director of the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention in a Wednesday health briefing, said two people familiar with the matter.
Sun said the rate of Covid’s spread in the country was still rising and estimated that more than half of the population in Beijing and Sichuan were already infected, the people briefed on the meeting said.
The explosion in cases followed Beijing’s decision this month to abandon its zero-Covid policy, which kept the virus at bay through mass testing, mandatory quarantine and draconian lockdowns.
Sun’s figures, which were provided in a closed-door meeting, contrast with data put out by the National Health Commission, which reported 62,592 symptomatic Covid cases over the same period. Last week, China stopped publicly trying to tally the total number of infections after authorities curtailed Covid testing.
The lack of published official information has led Washington and the World Health Organization to push Beijing to be more transparent about case counts, disease severity, hospital admission figures and other health statistics that have been made widely available by other countries.
In China’s capital and other cities, the wave of Covid infections has overwhelmed hospitals with an influx of elderly, bedridden patients and left emergency rooms and intensive care units with few available beds.
Yet the country has proceeded with shedding the zero-Covid policy as the medical toll mounts. Hong Kong’s chief executive John Lee on Saturday announced that long-awaited quarantine-free travel between the city and mainland China would resume as early as mid-January.
https://www.ft.com/content/1fb6044a-3050-44d8-b715-80c18ca5c9ab
Send in Science immediately.
either way you look at it that is a lot of people
Global cases
Updated 25 Dec at 12:26 pm local
Confirmed
655,871,566
+1,488,718
Deaths
6,674,718
+5,214
Ian said:
dv said:
China estimates 250 million people have caught Covid in 20 daysFigures presented at closed-door meeting are in stark contrast to low official case count
Chinese officials estimate about 250mn people, or 18 per cent of the population, were infected with Covid-19 in the first 20 days of December, as Beijing abruptly dismantled restrictions that had contained the disease for almost three years.
The estimates — including 37mn people, or 2.6 per cent of the population, who were infected on Tuesday alone — were revealed by Sun Yang, a deputy director of the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention in a Wednesday health briefing, said two people familiar with the matter.
Sun said the rate of Covid’s spread in the country was still rising and estimated that more than half of the population in Beijing and Sichuan were already infected, the people briefed on the meeting said.
The explosion in cases followed Beijing’s decision this month to abandon its zero-Covid policy, which kept the virus at bay through mass testing, mandatory quarantine and draconian lockdowns.
Sun’s figures, which were provided in a closed-door meeting, contrast with data put out by the National Health Commission, which reported 62,592 symptomatic Covid cases over the same period. Last week, China stopped publicly trying to tally the total number of infections after authorities curtailed Covid testing.
The lack of published official information has led Washington and the World Health Organization to push Beijing to be more transparent about case counts, disease severity, hospital admission figures and other health statistics that have been made widely available by other countries.
In China’s capital and other cities, the wave of Covid infections has overwhelmed hospitals with an influx of elderly, bedridden patients and left emergency rooms and intensive care units with few available beds.
Yet the country has proceeded with shedding the zero-Covid policy as the medical toll mounts. Hong Kong’s chief executive John Lee on Saturday announced that long-awaited quarantine-free travel between the city and mainland China would resume as early as mid-January.
https://www.ft.com/content/1fb6044a-3050-44d8-b715-80c18ca5c9ab
Send in Science immediately.
It’s idiocy.
SCIENCE said:
Ian said:
dv said:
China estimates 250 million people have caught Covid in 20 daysFigures presented at closed-door meeting are in stark contrast to low official case count
Chinese officials estimate about 250mn people, or 18 per cent of the population, were infected with Covid-19 in the first 20 days of December, as Beijing abruptly dismantled restrictions that had contained the disease for almost three years.
The estimates — including 37mn people, or 2.6 per cent of the population, who were infected on Tuesday alone — were revealed by Sun Yang, a deputy director of the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention in a Wednesday health briefing, said two people familiar with the matter.
Sun said the rate of Covid’s spread in the country was still rising and estimated that more than half of the population in Beijing and Sichuan were already infected, the people briefed on the meeting said.
The explosion in cases followed Beijing’s decision this month to abandon its zero-Covid policy, which kept the virus at bay through mass testing, mandatory quarantine and draconian lockdowns.
Sun’s figures, which were provided in a closed-door meeting, contrast with data put out by the National Health Commission, which reported 62,592 symptomatic Covid cases over the same period. Last week, China stopped publicly trying to tally the total number of infections after authorities curtailed Covid testing.
The lack of published official information has led Washington and the World Health Organization to push Beijing to be more transparent about case counts, disease severity, hospital admission figures and other health statistics that have been made widely available by other countries.
In China’s capital and other cities, the wave of Covid infections has overwhelmed hospitals with an influx of elderly, bedridden patients and left emergency rooms and intensive care units with few available beds.
Yet the country has proceeded with shedding the zero-Covid policy as the medical toll mounts. Hong Kong’s chief executive John Lee on Saturday announced that long-awaited quarantine-free travel between the city and mainland China would resume as early as mid-January.
https://www.ft.com/content/1fb6044a-3050-44d8-b715-80c18ca5c9ab
Send in Science immediately.
It’s idiocy.
there’s absolutely no way during accelerating covid numbers, outside the context of (successful)hard containment, that accurate numbers can be got of real infections, or rate trend
just a ridiculous expectation
I find a lot of reporting re covid of china to be dissembled gloat, and I won’t forget the ‘rest of the world’ has been broadening the array of covid variants – and increased contagiousness – fairly much breeding the shit, while wishing the plague on china
fucken obscene
transition said:
SCIENCE said:
Ian said:Send in Science immediately.
It’s idiocy.
there’s absolutely no way during accelerating covid numbers, outside the context of (successful)hard containment, that accurate numbers can be got of real infections, or rate trend
just a ridiculous expectation
I find a lot of reporting re covid of china to be dissembled gloat, and I won’t forget the ‘rest of the world’ has been broadening the array of covid variants – and increased contagiousness – fairly much breeding the shit, while wishing the plague on china
fucken obscene
It is not China, it is the CCP.
The CCP have mismanaged the situation. They’d had 2 years to organise a proper vaccine program but have completely messed it up. They stubbornly insisted on developing their own vaccine for reasons of national pride instead of joining the international effort. As a result their vaccines are not as effective as required. Then they have botched the roll-out, about half of the population are completely unvaccinated, or have had only 1 dose. (Someone posted the numbers earlier). They have actively discouraged their citizens from getting the western developed vaccines where they could. So eventually Covid was going to get out of control and cause a big shit-show. What is happening is not gloating, it is an “I told you so” moment, but simply pointing out that this was a completely avoidable man-made disaster is not actual gloating as such.
party_pants said:
transition said:
SCIENCE said:It’s idiocy.
there’s absolutely no way during accelerating covid numbers, outside the context of (successful)hard containment, that accurate numbers can be got of real infections, or rate trend
just a ridiculous expectation
I find a lot of reporting re covid of china to be dissembled gloat, and I won’t forget the ‘rest of the world’ has been broadening the array of covid variants – and increased contagiousness – fairly much breeding the shit, while wishing the plague on china
fucken obscene
It is not China, it is the CCP.
The CCP have mismanaged the situation. They’d had 2 years to organise a proper vaccine program but have completely messed it up. They stubbornly insisted on developing their own vaccine for reasons of national pride instead of joining the international effort. As a result their vaccines are not as effective as required. Then they have botched the roll-out, about half of the population are completely unvaccinated, or have had only 1 dose. (Someone posted the numbers earlier). They have actively discouraged their citizens from getting the western developed vaccines where they could. So eventually Covid was going to get out of control and cause a big shit-show. What is happening is not gloating, it is an “I told you so” moment, but simply pointing out that this was a completely avoidable man-made disaster is not actual gloating as such.
I reckon there’s plenty gloat
tell nobody has been wishing the plague on china
transition said:
party_pants said:
transition said:there’s absolutely no way during accelerating covid numbers, outside the context of (successful)hard containment, that accurate numbers can be got of real infections, or rate trend
just a ridiculous expectation
I find a lot of reporting re covid of china to be dissembled gloat, and I won’t forget the ‘rest of the world’ has been broadening the array of covid variants – and increased contagiousness – fairly much breeding the shit, while wishing the plague on china
fucken obscene
It is not China, it is the CCP.
The CCP have mismanaged the situation. They’d had 2 years to organise a proper vaccine program but have completely messed it up. They stubbornly insisted on developing their own vaccine for reasons of national pride instead of joining the international effort. As a result their vaccines are not as effective as required. Then they have botched the roll-out, about half of the population are completely unvaccinated, or have had only 1 dose. (Someone posted the numbers earlier). They have actively discouraged their citizens from getting the western developed vaccines where they could. So eventually Covid was going to get out of control and cause a big shit-show. What is happening is not gloating, it is an “I told you so” moment, but simply pointing out that this was a completely avoidable man-made disaster is not actual gloating as such.
I reckon there’s plenty gloat
tell nobody has been wishing the plague on china
tell me nobody has…that should read
transition said:
I find a lot of reporting re covid of china to be dissembled gloat, and I won’t forget the ‘rest of the world’ has been broadening the array of covid variants – and increased contagiousness – fairly much breeding the shit, while wishing the plague on china
fucken obscene
How did you test these hypotheses?
dv said:
transition said:
I find a lot of reporting re covid of china to be dissembled gloat, and I won’t forget the ‘rest of the world’ has been broadening the array of covid variants – and increased contagiousness – fairly much breeding the shit, while wishing the plague on china
fucken obscene
How did you test these hypotheses?
uh is it hypothetical to say that when media are all “CHINA need to just live with death and disability Let It Rip®” that they wish death and disability on CHINA, what are we missing
transition said:
transition said:
party_pants said:It is not China, it is the CCP.
The CCP have mismanaged the situation. They’d had 2 years to organise a proper vaccine program but have completely messed it up. They stubbornly insisted on developing their own vaccine for reasons of national pride instead of joining the international effort. As a result their vaccines are not as effective as required. Then they have botched the roll-out, about half of the population are completely unvaccinated, or have had only 1 dose. (Someone posted the numbers earlier). They have actively discouraged their citizens from getting the western developed vaccines where they could. So eventually Covid was going to get out of control and cause a big shit-show. What is happening is not gloating, it is an “I told you so” moment, but simply pointing out that this was a completely avoidable man-made disaster is not actual gloating as such.
I reckon there’s plenty gloat
tell nobody has been wishing the plague on china
tell me nobody has…that should read
ah well if CHINA do good it’s because people there good, foreign influence there nice, good job
if CHINA do fucked up then it’s obviously the party, people have no agency, them drones, death deserved
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
transition said:
I find a lot of reporting re covid of china to be dissembled gloat, and I won’t forget the ‘rest of the world’ has been broadening the array of covid variants – and increased contagiousness – fairly much breeding the shit, while wishing the plague on china
fucken obscene
How did you test these hypotheses?
uh is it hypothetical to say that when media are all “CHINA need to just live with death and disability Let It Rip®” that they wish death and disability on CHINA, what are we missing
This article is just reporting Chinese government estimates of their current caseload. There doesn’t seem to be any schadenfreude involved.
dv said:
transition said:I find a lot of reporting re covid of china to be dissembled gloat, and I won’t forget the ‘rest of the world’ has been broadening the array of covid variants – and increased contagiousness – fairly much breeding the shit, while wishing the plague on china
fucken obscene
How did you test these hypotheses?
certainly my view, but i’m a radical, don’t agree with wild uncontained covid, think it’s a menace
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
transition said:
dv said:
transition said:
I find a lot of reporting re covid of china to be dissembled gloat, and I won’t forget the ‘rest of the world’ has been broadening the array of covid variants – and increased contagiousness – fairly much breeding the shit, while wishing the plague on china
fucken obscene
How did you test these hypotheses?
certainly my view, but i’m a radical, don’t agree with wild uncontained covid, think it’s a menace
uh is it hypothetical to say that when media are all “CHINA need to just live with death and disability Let It Rip®” that they wish death and disability on CHINA, what are we missing
This article is just reporting Chinese government estimates of their current caseload. There doesn’t seem to be any schadenfreude involved.
fair enough we just assume that transition meant by “find a lot of reporting re covid of china” a more general statement, and not specific to a neutral numbers article
there’s room for all of us
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
uh is it hypothetical to say that when media are all “CHINA need to just live with death and disability Let It Rip®” that they wish death and disability on CHINA, what are we missing
This article is just reporting Chinese government estimates of their current caseload. There doesn’t seem to be any schadenfreude involved.
fair enough we just assume that transition meant by “find a lot of reporting re covid of china” a more general statement, and not specific to a neutral numbers article
there’s room for all of us
yeah was more of the general thing
might say too the nearest word to schadenfreude in English is glee a gloat, I wouldn’t expect the English and Englished are above it, and not above looking for somewhere to land their superior contempt, even buried in worldist notions of equality
I wouldn’t expect the Englished to have an especially unnatural interest in openness about instincts like that
dv said:
transition said:I find a lot of reporting re covid of china to be dissembled gloat, and I won’t forget the ‘rest of the world’ has been broadening the array of covid variants – and increased contagiousness – fairly much breeding the shit, while wishing the plague on china
fucken obscene
How did you test these hypotheses?
I need new glasses.
At first glance, i read that as ‘disassembled goat’.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
transition said:I find a lot of reporting re covid of china to be dissembled gloat, and I won’t forget the ‘rest of the world’ has been broadening the array of covid variants – and increased contagiousness – fairly much breeding the shit, while wishing the plague on china
fucken obscene
How did you test these hypotheses?
I need new glasses.
At first glance, i read that as ‘disassembled goat’.
chuckle
I do that when reading fast, it’s like fucken what
Yeah.
Nobody in the west knows what’s caused the increased numbers of deaths in China recently.
Because it can’t be COVID.
Obesity? Mushrooms?
transition said:
dv said:
transition said:I find a lot of reporting re covid of china to be dissembled gloat, and I won’t forget the ‘rest of the world’ has been broadening the array of covid variants – and increased contagiousness – fairly much breeding the shit, while wishing the plague on china
fucken obscene
How did you test these hypotheses?
certainly my view, but i’m a radical, don’t agree with wild uncontained covid, think it’s a menace
I don’t agree with uncontained covid either, I think the CCP have made a dreadful mistake
transition said:
SCIENCE said:dv said:
This article is just reporting Chinese government estimates of their current caseload. There doesn’t seem to be any schadenfreude involved.
fair enough we just assume that transition meant by “find a lot of reporting re covid of china” a more general statement, and not specific to a neutral numbers article
there’s room for all of us
yeah was more of the general thing
might say too the nearest word to schadenfreude in English is glee a gloat, I wouldn’t expect the English and Englished are above it, and not above looking for somewhere to land their superior contempt, even buried in worldist notions of equality
I wouldn’t expect the Englished to have an especially unnatural interest in openness about instincts like that
There’s no doubt there’s some malevolence out there
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
transition said:I find a lot of reporting re covid of china to be dissembled gloat, and I won’t forget the ‘rest of the world’ has been broadening the array of covid variants – and increased contagiousness – fairly much breeding the shit, while wishing the plague on china
fucken obscene
How did you test these hypotheses?
I need new glasses.
At first glance, i read that as ‘disassembled goat’.
Apparently they are quite tasty.
LOL
SCIENCE said:
LOL
I don’t understand. Surely April 2021 would have been at the height of the crisis and therefore the most stringent procedures in place. Is Peter suggesting that these should be eased?
sibeen said:
SCIENCE said:
LOL
I don’t understand. Surely April 2021 would have been at the height of the crisis and therefore the most stringent procedures in place. Is Peter suggesting that these should be eased?
“Surely If SARACAIDS-CoV Was Bad Then Authorities Wouldn’t Be Letting It Rip®¡”
dv said:
transition said:
SCIENCE said:fair enough we just assume that transition meant by “find a lot of reporting re covid of china” a more general statement, and not specific to a neutral numbers article
there’s room for all of us
yeah was more of the general thing
might say too the nearest word to schadenfreude in English is glee a gloat, I wouldn’t expect the English and Englished are above it, and not above looking for somewhere to land their superior contempt, even buried in worldist notions of equality
I wouldn’t expect the Englished to have an especially unnatural interest in openness about instincts like that
There’s no doubt there’s some malevolence out there
more the want for indifference i’m thinking of, where it lands, everyone wants to day’s-end sleep and not worry, get through their day without excessive worry, do whatever during their day so as not to have excessive worries that keep them from rest at night, it’s substantially universal
i’m not sure how eight-billion people do that while increasingly intensely interconnected across (distant) time zones, longitudinally latitudinally incorporated if you like, there are challenges in those things alone
there are human generated forces in the world of scales similar ubiquitous forces of nature, that increasingly never sleep
i’d ask where does the want for indifference land
LOL
Tech companies with manufacturing facilities in mainland China, including Apple Inc., are facing a months-long disruption amid a massive outbreak of COVID-19 in the Middle Kingdom after the Chinese Communist Party dropped its zero-COVID policy. The Financial Times reports that supply chain experts are warning that there is a growing risk of months-long disruption to the supply of iPhones. Unlike the previous outbreak at the Zhengzhou iPhone factory, this disruption will be much further spread due to potential worker shortages at component plants and assembly lines across the country. “We should be seeing a lot of operations get impacted by absenteeism, not just at factories, but warehouse, distribution, logistic and transportation facilities as well,” said Bindiya Vakil, chief executive of supply chain mapping company Resilinc, told FT.
interesting, apparently unlike everywhere else in the world, where spreading disease is good for The Economy Must Grow and preventing disease will break the bank
this article seems to mention “zero-COVID” at least 4 times and never in connection with it harming productivity
weird
totally weird
well here’s an interesting
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciimmunol.ade2798
RNA vaccines are efficient preventive measures to combat the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic. High levels of neutralizing SARS-CoV-2-antibodies are an important component of vaccine-induced immunity. Shortly after the initial two mRNA vaccine doses, the IgG response mainly consists of the pro-inflammatory subclasses IgG1 and IgG3. Here, we report that several months after the second vaccination, SARS-CoV-2-specific antibodies were increasingly composed of non-inflammatory IgG4, which were further boosted by a third mRNA vaccination and/or SARS-CoV-2 variant breakthrough infections. IgG4 antibodies among all spike-specific IgG antibodies rose on average from 0.04% shortly after the second vaccination to 19.27% late after the third vaccination. This induction of IgG4 antibodies was not observed after homologous or heterologous SARS-CoV-2 vaccination with adenoviral vectors. Single-cell sequencing and flow cytometry revealed substantial frequencies of IgG4-switched B cells within the spike-binding memory B-cell population (median 14.4%; interquartile range (IQR) 6.7–18.1%) compared to the overall memory B-cell repertoire (median 1.3%; IQR 0.9–2.2%) after three immunizations. Importantly, this class switch was associated with a reduced capacity of the spike-specific antibodies to mediate antibody-dependent cellular phagocytosis and complement deposition. Since Fc-mediated effector functions are critical for antiviral immunity, these findings may have consequences for the choice and timing of vaccination regimens using mRNA vaccines, including future booster immunizations against SARS-CoV-2.
LOL@evolution@work
oh wait maybe they meant involution
LOL
New Normal Laugh
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-26/boxing-day-sales-australia/101804236
Out Loud
Bizarre
Absurd
Unexpected
SCIENCE said:
New Normal Laugh
Out Loud
ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
The death toll from a Buffalo-area blizzard has risen to 27 in western New York — with the toll at least 50 deaths nationwide — as the region was left reeling from one of the worst weather-related disasters in its history.
Does anyone know if pensioners still get free RATs tests?
roughbarked said:
Does anyone know if pensioners still get free RATs tests?
Stand down https://www.nsw.gov.au/covid-19/testing-managing/free-rat-tests
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:
Does anyone know if pensioners still get free RATs tests?
Stand down “https://www.nsw.gov.au/covid-19/testing-managing/free-rat-tests”:
Surely the correct term is Rapid Antigen RAT Tests, and when you lodge a positive, you get a Personal Identification PIN Number.
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:
Does anyone know if pensioners still get free RATs tests?
Stand down “https://www.nsw.gov.au/covid-19/testing-managing/free-rat-tests”:
Surely the correct term is Rapid Antigen RAT Tests, and when you lodge a positive, you get a Personal Identification PIN Number.
Yes but I was talking in plural.
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:
Does anyone know if pensioners still get free RATs tests?
Stand down https://www.nsw.gov.au/covid-19/testing-managing/free-rat-tests
Damn, just bought some with real money a few days ago.
some not so bad news for y’all
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.12.21.22283753v1
SCIENCE said:
The death toll from a Buffalo-area blizzard has risen to 27 in western New York — with the toll at least 50 deaths nationwide — as the region was left reeling from one of the worst weather-related disasters in its history.
Photo from the above article and I was impressed with the positioning of the houses on their blocks of land where even the roof ridges line up. Very strange people these Americans.
SCIENCE said:
some not so bad news for y’all
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.12.21.22283753v1
tempered by the best news of the minute
https://twitter.com/VirusesImmunity/status/1607446930711318530
where SARACAIDS-CoV legit’ is SARACAIDS-CoV andor evolving into airborne herpes
PermeateFree said:
SCIENCE said:
The death toll from a Buffalo-area blizzard has risen to 27 in western New York — with the toll at least 50 deaths nationwide — as the region was left reeling from one of the worst weather-related disasters in its history.
Photo from the above article and I was impressed with the positioning of the houses on their blocks of land where even the roof ridges line up. Very strange people these Americans.
we mean it’sn’t a unique type of thing
PermeateFree said:
SCIENCE said:The death toll from a Buffalo-area blizzard has risen to 27 in western New York — with the toll at least 50 deaths nationwide — as the region was left reeling from one of the worst weather-related disasters in its history.
Photo from the above article and I was impressed with the positioning of the houses on their blocks of land where even the roof ridges line up. Very strange people these Americans.
that sort of uniformity must be part of development requirements or whatever
SCIENCE said:
PermeateFree said:
SCIENCE said:
The death toll from a Buffalo-area blizzard has risen to 27 in western New York — with the toll at least 50 deaths nationwide — as the region was left reeling from one of the worst weather-related disasters in its history.
Photo from the above article and I was impressed with the positioning of the houses on their blocks of land where even the roof ridges line up. Very strange people these Americans.
we mean it’sn’t a unique type of thing
They look like the McMansions of a large house completely filling a small block of land. The difference is they did not have the space to build in a different position. However, McMansions are the epitimy of bad taste.
SCIENCE said:
PermeateFree said:
SCIENCE said:
The death toll from a Buffalo-area blizzard has risen to 27 in western New York — with the toll at least 50 deaths nationwide — as the region was left reeling from one of the worst weather-related disasters in its history.
Photo from the above article and I was impressed with the positioning of the houses on their blocks of land where even the roof ridges line up. Very strange people these Americans.
we mean it’sn’t a unique type of thing
They look like the McMansions of a large house completely filling a small block of land. The difference is they did not have the space to build in a different position. However, McMansions are the epitimy of bad taste.
SCIENCE said:
PermeateFree said:
SCIENCE said:
The death toll from a Buffalo-area blizzard has risen to 27 in western New York — with the toll at least 50 deaths nationwide — as the region was left reeling from one of the worst weather-related disasters in its history.
Photo from the above article and I was impressed with the positioning of the houses on their blocks of land where even the roof ridges line up. Very strange people these Americans.
we mean it’sn’t a unique type of thing
They look like McMansions namely a large house completely filling a small block of land. The difference is they did not have the space to build in a different position. However, McMansions are the epitome of bad taste.
transition said:
PermeateFree said:
SCIENCE said:
The death toll from a Buffalo-area blizzard has risen to 27 in western New York — with the toll at least 50 deaths nationwide — as the region was left reeling from one of the worst weather-related disasters in its history.
Photo from the above article and I was impressed with the positioning of the houses on their blocks of land where even the roof ridges line up. Very strange people these Americans.
that sort of uniformity must be part of development requirements or whatever
mental monoculture
yeah but
…
you do it cheap and effective like that, you don’t get to dump thousands of millions of dollars into your donors’ pockets
SCIENCE said:
transition said:
PermeateFree said:
Photo from the above article and I was impressed with the positioning of the houses on their blocks of land where even the roof ridges line up. Very strange people these Americans.
that sort of uniformity must be part of development requirements or whatever
mental monoculture
preserves view left and right from front and back of house, various other possible reasons
given size of building relative to block size (presume), not really comparable to other examples in pictures given of australian setting where building cover entire block fairly much
anyway have some more unbiased left wing journalism
sorry we mean manipulation of public opinion
and then 2 years after the fact
oh what were people saying back then damn what a surprise
SCIENCE said:
oh what were people saying back then damn what a surprise
SCHOOL LOCKDOWNS CAUSE SUICIDE rates to decrease
LOL
LOL
LOL
SCIENCE said:
LOL
medical SCIENCE at work
not us
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-27/rohingya-deadliest-year-at-sea-refugees-muslims/101811012
The possible recent sinking of a migrant boat with 180 Rohingya Muslims onboard could make 2022 one of the deadliest years at sea in almost a decade for the community, a UN agency has said, as refugees try to flee desperate conditions in Bangladesh camps.
It is not clear if the lifting of COVID restrictions in South-East Asia — a favoured destination — has led to the rush of people.
fucking lockdowns, killing refugees rushing out when lifting happens
According to China Daily newspaper.
All reportable diseases in China are reported to WHO within 4 hours.
As opposed to New Zealand and the UK for instance where reporting can be week late.
According to worldometer, slightly over 4,000 new cases in China per day.
According to ABC news, a figure of approximately 3 million new cases per day in China was mentioned. Definitely a lot more people in hospital emergency in China than normal for this time of year. And seems to be flu-like.
But if what people in China are getting isn’t a reportable disease then what is it?
mollwollfumble said:
According to China Daily newspaper.All reportable diseases in China are reported to WHO within 4 hours.
As opposed to New Zealand and the UK for instance where reporting can be week late.
According to worldometer, slightly over 4,000 new cases in China per day.
According to ABC news, a figure of approximately 3 million new cases per day in China was mentioned. Definitely a lot more people in hospital emergency in China than normal for this time of year. And seems to be flu-like.
But if what people in China are getting isn’t a reportable disease then what is it?
It’s COVID, and you are a hopelessly silly person.
mollwollfumble said:
According to China Daily newspaper.All reportable diseases in China are reported to WHO within 4 hours.
As opposed to New Zealand and the UK for instance where reporting can be week late.
According to worldometer, slightly over 4,000 new cases in China per day.
According to ABC news, a figure of approximately 3 million new cases per day in China was mentioned. Definitely a lot more people in hospital emergency in China than normal for this time of year. And seems to be flu-like.
But if what people in China are getting isn’t a reportable disease then what is it?
Infinite Covid.
Tau.Neutrino said:
mollwollfumble said:
According to China Daily newspaper.All reportable diseases in China are reported to WHO within 4 hours.
As opposed to New Zealand and the UK for instance where reporting can be week late.
According to worldometer, slightly over 4,000 new cases in China per day.
According to ABC news, a figure of approximately 3 million new cases per day in China was mentioned. Definitely a lot more people in hospital emergency in China than normal for this time of year. And seems to be flu-like.
But if what people in China are getting isn’t a reportable disease then what is it?
Infinite Covid.
Longer than Long Covid.
Bubblecar said:
mollwollfumble said:
According to China Daily newspaper.All reportable diseases in China are reported to WHO within 4 hours.
As opposed to New Zealand and the UK for instance where reporting can be week late.
According to worldometer, slightly over 4,000 new cases in China per day.
According to ABC news, a figure of approximately 3 million new cases per day in China was mentioned. Definitely a lot more people in hospital emergency in China than normal for this time of year. And seems to be flu-like.
But if what people in China are getting isn’t a reportable disease then what is it?
It’s COVID, and you are a hopelessly silly person.
Even the Hong Kong independent newspaper, which is highly critical of everything the Chinese government does, can’t confirm that it is COVID.
mollwollfumble said:
Bubblecar said:
mollwollfumble said:
According to China Daily newspaper.All reportable diseases in China are reported to WHO within 4 hours.
As opposed to New Zealand and the UK for instance where reporting can be week late.
According to worldometer, slightly over 4,000 new cases in China per day.
According to ABC news, a figure of approximately 3 million new cases per day in China was mentioned. Definitely a lot more people in hospital emergency in China than normal for this time of year. And seems to be flu-like.
But if what people in China are getting isn’t a reportable disease then what is it?
It’s COVID, and you are a hopelessly silly person.
Even the Hong Kong independent newspaper, which is highly critical of everything the Chinese government does, can’t confirm that it is COVID.
>>>approximately 3 million new cases per day in China was mentioned
Ring them up and ask what symptoms they have.
mollwollfumble said:
Bubblecar said:
mollwollfumble said:
According to China Daily newspaper.All reportable diseases in China are reported to WHO within 4 hours.
As opposed to New Zealand and the UK for instance where reporting can be week late.
According to worldometer, slightly over 4,000 new cases in China per day.
According to ABC news, a figure of approximately 3 million new cases per day in China was mentioned. Definitely a lot more people in hospital emergency in China than normal for this time of year. And seems to be flu-like.
But if what people in China are getting isn’t a reportable disease then what is it?
It’s COVID, and you are a hopelessly silly person.
Even the Hong Kong independent newspaper, which is highly critical of everything the Chinese government does, can’t confirm that it is COVID.
Chinese hospital staff are all reporting that it’s COVID. You prefer to believe the habitual liars of the communist party.
mollwollfumble said:
Bubblecar said:
mollwollfumble said:
According to China Daily newspaper.All reportable diseases in China are reported to WHO within 4 hours.
As opposed to New Zealand and the UK for instance where reporting can be week late.
According to worldometer, slightly over 4,000 new cases in China per day.
According to ABC news, a figure of approximately 3 million new cases per day in China was mentioned. Definitely a lot more people in hospital emergency in China than normal for this time of year. And seems to be flu-like.
But if what people in China are getting isn’t a reportable disease then what is it?
It’s COVID, and you are a hopelessly silly person.
Even the Hong Kong independent newspaper, which is highly critical of everything the Chinese government does, can’t confirm that it is COVID.
Which HK newspaper?
COVID.
ITS COVID. COVID. COVID.
C, O, V, I, D.
COVID.
ALL COVID, THERE AND THERE AND OVER THERE AND EVEN OVER THEE AS WELL AS OVER THERE AND OVER THERE.
COVID EVERYWHERE.
WALL TO WALL COVID.
NEARLY INFINITE COVID.
mollwollfumble said:
According to China Daily newspaper.All reportable diseases in China are reported to WHO within 4 hours.
As opposed to New Zealand and the UK for instance where reporting can be week late.
According to worldometer, slightly over 4,000 new cases in China per day.
According to ABC news, a figure of approximately 3 million new cases per day in China was mentioned. Definitely a lot more people in hospital emergency in China than normal for this time of year. And seems to be flu-like.
But if what people in China are getting isn’t a reportable disease then what is it?
Desperate to vaccinate more older people, Chinese authorities are even offering to pay
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-27/china-races-to-vaccinate-elderly-but-many-are-reluctant/101811170
This ABC report is obviously getting it woefully incorrect.
Tau.Neutrino said:
mollwollfumble said:
Bubblecar said:
It’s COVID, and you are a hopelessly silly person.
Even the Hong Kong independent newspaper, which is highly critical of everything the Chinese government does, can’t confirm that it is COVID.
>>>approximately 3 million new cases per day in China was mentioned
Ring them up and ask what symptoms they have.
funny isn’t it, everywhere else it’s RSV or influenza or something else that you can blame on the lockdowns
SCIENCE said:
only took 3 years
ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-64102176
worked pretty well last time
ahahahaha
hahahahah
LOL
https://www.atlantis-press.com/journals/jegh/125946349
LOL
LOL
SCIENCE said:
disclaimer: these data were cherry-picked and if you go back 200000 years they weren’t a big thing either
SCIENCE said:
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ah, we know
must be immunity debt
nice except it turns out that eradication of one lineage occurred 2 years ago and it wasn’t the vaccine
is RSV always around and it just seems to be being talked about more now because of covid?
strange
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/12/28/a-long-term-illness-crisis-is-threatening-the-uk-economy.html
also strange
also
sarahs mum said:
is RSV always around and it just seems to be being talked about more now because of covid?
used to be a common thing but apparently these days it’s much worse
example previous years below
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only took 3 years
ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-64102176
worked pretty well last time
now,
Rules that confined millions of people to their homes kept China’s infection rate low but fuelled public frustration and crushed economic growth. The latest decision could send free-spending Chinese tourists to revenue-starved destinations in Asia and Europe for Lunar New Year, which begins January 22 and usually is the country’s busiest travel season.
But it also presents a danger they might spread COVID-19 as infections surge in China.
which is it, we wonder
must have been the not dying of disease part that crushed economic growth
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SCIENCE said:
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only took 3 years
ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-64102176
worked pretty well last time
now,
Rules that confined millions of people to their homes kept China’s infection rate low but fuelled public frustration and crushed economic growth. The latest decision could send free-spending Chinese tourists to revenue-starved destinations in Asia and Europe for Lunar New Year, which begins January 22 and usually is the country’s busiest travel season.
But it also presents a danger they might spread COVID-19 as infections surge in China.
which is it, we wonder
must have been the not dying of disease part that crushed economic growth
Chinese government “Behave Chinese people, remember Tiananmen square, oh that’s right it never happened, inscrutable laugh”
there’s talk out there about repeated vaccination driving antibody* subclass to IgG4 type whatever that means
apparently it’s a less inflammatory type
but as you all know
which means it would be quite unconvincing for any joker to claim that sticky antibodies which don’t cause inflammation, are bad / useless / maladaptive
but what would we know
*: imagine that eh, this is after a bunch of disinformation dickheads spent the past 3 years shitting out of their mouths about protective T cell immunity, which was an absolute crock (and we don’t mean that T cells don’t protect, we mean the way they were bullshitting about it was fucking garbage)
SCIENCE said:
there’s talk out there about repeated vaccination driving antibody* subclass to IgG4 type whatever that means
apparently it’s a less inflammatory type
but as you all know
- antibodies stick to things and stop them from working as intended
- damage from disease is often more due to immune response than to pathogen invasion directly
which means it would be quite unconvincing for any joker to claim that sticky antibodies which don’t cause inflammation, are bad / useless / maladaptive
but what would we know
*: imagine that eh, this is after a bunch of disinformation dickheads spent the past 3 years shitting out of their mouths about protective T cell immunity, which was an absolute crock (and we don’t mean that T cells don’t protect, we mean the way they were bullshitting about it was fucking garbage)
sorry, here’s some so-called** “expert” who probably doesn’t know
https://twitter.com/johnjljacobs/status/1606375734901149701
**: well, self-declared so actually we don’t know if they know
how the tables fucking turn eh
remember back in the good times when the rest of the world outsourced their dirty work to CHINA, now
ahahahahahahahahahahaha
Economy Must Growing Plenty Big
fk CHINA and their censorship state wait what
remember almost exactly 3 years ago
when this shit was real
and happened almost exactly the same way
we mean wholly fucked, what has even changed
except we’re starting again with life expectancies that are 2 years lower
LOL
ahaha
yes
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SCIENCE said:
¿¿¡¿
ah, we know
must be immunity debt
interesting
https://theconversation.com/vaccine-resistance-has-its-roots-in-negative-childhood-experiences-a-major-study-finds-180114
Bogsnorkler said:
https://theconversation.com/vaccine-resistance-has-its-roots-in-negative-childhood-experiences-a-major-study-finds-180114
and less than 1 in 30 people donate blood
SCIENCE said:
Bogsnorkler said:
https://theconversation.com/vaccine-resistance-has-its-roots-in-negative-childhood-experiences-a-major-study-finds-180114
and less than 1 in 30 people donate blood
Which is so sad!
ms spock said:
SCIENCE said:Bogsnorkler said:
https://theconversation.com/vaccine-resistance-has-its-roots-in-negative-childhood-experiences-a-major-study-finds-180114
and less than 1 in 30 people donate blood
Which is so sad!
Tamb said:
ms spock said:
SCIENCE said:and less than 1 in 30 people donate blood
Which is so sad!
With blood cancer & malaria I think I’m excused.
You so are excused!
I used to be prohibited from donating because of iv drug use but they’ve changed the limits on that to five years now.
ms spock said:
Tamb said:
ms spock said:Which is so sad!
With blood cancer & malaria I think I’m excused.
- writes note and hands it over *****
You so are excused!
dv said:
I used to be prohibited from donating because of iv drug use but they’ve changed the limits on that to five years now.
Really (on both counts)?
Michael V said:
dv said:
I used to be prohibited from donating because of iv drug use but they’ve changed the limits on that to five years now.
Really (on both counts)?
Yeah.
dv said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
I used to be prohibited from donating because of iv drug use but they’ve changed the limits on that to five years now.
Really (on both counts)?
Yeah.
Huh! Unexpected.
Michael V said:
dv said:
Michael V said:Really (on both counts)?
Yeah.
Huh! Unexpected.
I was somewhat adrift in my late teens.
dv said:
I used to be prohibited from donating because of iv drug use but they’ve changed the limits on that to five years now.
It good that they are moving with the times.
dv said:
Michael V said:
dv said:Yeah.
Huh! Unexpected.
I was somewhat adrift in my late teens.
How did you reattach the hawser?
dv said:
I used to be prohibited from donating because of iv drug use but they’ve changed the limits on that to five years now.
Heroin’s a hell of a drug.
dv said:
Michael V said:
dv said:Yeah.
Huh! Unexpected.
I was somewhat adrift in my late teens.
Ah. I was too, but never went that far. Started working for the Police Department to keep myself a bit straighter and narrower.
Michael V said:
dv said:
Michael V said:Huh! Unexpected.
I was somewhat adrift in my late teens.
Ah. I was too, but never went that far. Started working for the Police Department to keep myself a bit straighter and narrower.
That’s one way to go straight.
I had heroin addicts living next door to me. Grew up with them as neighbours. It was from them that I had my first taste of Mary Jane. They offered heroin to me and I simply refused.
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:
dv said:I was somewhat adrift in my late teens.
Ah. I was too, but never went that far. Started working for the Police Department to keep myself a bit straighter and narrower.
That’s one way to go straight.
or at least get access to good gear
dv said:
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:Ah. I was too, but never went that far. Started working for the Police Department to keep myself a bit straighter and narrower.
That’s one way to go straight.
or at least get access to good gear
My neighbour said he got most of his gear from bent cops.
dv said:
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:Ah. I was too, but never went that far. Started working for the Police Department to keep myself a bit straighter and narrower.
That’s one way to go straight.
or at least get access to good gear
;)
roughbarked said:
dv said:
roughbarked said:That’s one way to go straight.
or at least get access to good gear
My neighbour said he got most of his gear from bent cops.
I knew a bloke who left the Navy and joined the police, ending up in Highway Patrol, because, he said, he always knew he’d be involved in police chases, it was just a matter of which car he’d be driving.
One bit of advice he gave was to never tell a copper anything you wouldn’t tell to a career burglar, because cops know a lot of dodgy people.
SCIENCE said:
Bogsnorkler said:
https://theconversation.com/vaccine-resistance-has-its-roots-in-negative-childhood-experiences-a-major-study-finds-180114
and less than 1 in 30 people donate blood
social constructionist dream explanation maybe
perhaps they could study the (many, normal) people that were reluctant but did get vaccinated, might yield something interesting
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:or at least get access to good gear
My neighbour said he got most of his gear from bent cops.
I knew a bloke who left the Navy and joined the police, ending up in Highway Patrol, because, he said, he always knew he’d be involved in police chases, it was just a matter of which car he’d be driving.
LOL
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
I used to be prohibited from donating because of iv drug use but they’ve changed the limits on that to five years now.
Heroin’s a hell of a drug.
old school, some savoy brown, sarahs mum would know the tune
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cePvNa7UwEU
Savoy Brown – Needle And Spoon
transition said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
I used to be prohibited from donating because of iv drug use but they’ve changed the limits on that to five years now.
Heroin’s a hell of a drug.
old school, some savoy brown, sarahs mum would know the tune
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cePvNa7UwEU
Savoy Brown – Needle And Spoon
and while indulging some old favorites
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqc9uDG2RJk
“SHE´S GOT A RING IN HIS NOSE AND A RING ON HER HAND” SAVOY BROWN
makes want drag the PA out for outdoor session
Bogsnorkler said:
https://theconversation.com/vaccine-resistance-has-its-roots-in-negative-childhood-experiences-a-major-study-finds-180114
Interesting, thanks.
When school went back at the end of January, she lasted three days, then could not go back. She only went back to work part-time after her sick leave ran out in May.
Though she was able to get a prescription for them with relative ease from her doctor, she was told she was not eligible for subsidised access under the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme (PBS). For her, the antivirals would cost $1,100. She had been putting money aside for a house deposit and said she was lucky to have the savings before she became sick.
SCIENCE said:
Solution Found To Ensure Maximum Economic Must Growth¡ Remove Sick Leave And End Socialised Medicine¡
When school went back at the end of January, she lasted three days, then could not go back. She only went back to work part-time after her sick leave ran out in May.
Though she was able to get a prescription for them with relative ease from her doctor, she was told she was not eligible for subsidised access under the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme (PBS). For her, the antivirals would cost $1,100. She had been putting money aside for a house deposit and said she was lucky to have the savings before she became sick.
Someone should’ve mentioned they reduce the risk of hospitalisation by 6%, you’ll still feel like crap and be poorer.
poikilotherm said:
SCIENCE said:Solution Found To Ensure Maximum Economic Must Growth¡ Remove Sick Leave And End Socialised Medicine¡
When school went back at the end of January, she lasted three days, then could not go back. She only went back to work part-time after her sick leave ran out in May.
Though she was able to get a prescription for them with relative ease from her doctor, she was told she was not eligible for subsidised access under the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme (PBS). For her, the antivirals would cost $1,100. She had been putting money aside for a house deposit and said she was lucky to have the savings before she became sick.
Someone should’ve mentioned they reduce the risk of hospitalisation by 6%, you’ll still feel like crap and be poorer.
Don’t you dare bring facts into this debate!
sibeen said:
poikilotherm said:
SCIENCE said:
Solution Found To Ensure Maximum Economic Must Growth¡ Remove Sick Leave And End Socialised Medicine¡
When school went back at the end of January, she lasted three days, then could not go back. She only went back to work part-time after her sick leave ran out in May.
Though she was able to get a prescription for them with relative ease from her doctor, she was told she was not eligible for subsidised access under the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme (PBS). For her, the antivirals would cost $1,100. She had been putting money aside for a house deposit and said she was lucky to have the savings before she became sick.
Someone should’ve mentioned they reduce the risk of hospitalisation by 6%, you’ll still feel like crap and be poorer.
Don’t you dare bring facts into this debate!
Surely that’s even better, you need to buy 16 times as many to boost The Economy Must Grow by $17600 and get the full 100% protection¡
why indeed
remember how we’ve been telling you for half of 5 years that after 5 years the 5 year average will be
oh wait
irony
but hey, if we keep our P2 on all the time, we can barely smell the bushfires
yet if we stop keeping our P2 on all the time, we will barely be able to smell the bushfires
communist shill
lockdown fanatic
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why indeed
ahahahahahaha you know what
if you’re vulnerable and sick you can just fucking die at home ahahahaha
or on the street
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lockdown fanatic
covidmongers committed to the stupid now, they busy as hell committing others to same to dilute their own responsibility, that’s what the advocates do, help others commit, dilute, it doesn’t look so bad the more that do it, if you don’t look too hard, call on your friend indifference for some help with casual plague
High Entertainment Incoming ¡
HAPPY COVID DAY
WOO HOO
WEEZ
GAG
COUGH
Tau.Neutrino said:
HAPPY COVID DAY
WOO HOO
WEEZ
GAG
COUGH
LOL
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SCIENCE said:
LOL
wow
here’s a dew all ED article
Tau.Neutrino said:
HAPPY COVID DAYWOO HOO
WEEZ
GAG
COUGH
Have you contracted the virus?
SCIENCE said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
HAPPY COVID DAY
WOO HOO
WEEZ
GAG
COUGH
LOL
LOL@CHINA
wait fk sorry wrong imperialists, we mean the other Hong Kong motherland, pre-1997, that one
Michael V said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
HAPPY COVID DAY
WOO HOO
WEEZ
GAG
COUGH
Have you contracted the virus?
a contract killer
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SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
High Entertainment Incoming ¡
LOL
LOL@CHINA
imagine
if
people got to decide when to call something a “new variant” or not whenever they felt like it, and the word “reasoning” actually meant “circle” or something like that
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
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LOL
LOL@CHINA
imagine
if
people got to decide when to call something a “new variant” or not whenever they felt like it, and the word “reasoning” actually meant “circle” or something like that
propaganda machine’s been in full swing for a long time now, hypnotized not a few
fucking laugh out loud
imagine if the idiocy of 1. directly caused the failing 2. and there were some better way
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fucking laugh out loud
- Experts say vaccines will remain the main defence against COVID-19 into 2023
- Despite investment in studying and treating long COVID, the virus will likely be a challenge for years to come
imagine if the idiocy of 1. directly caused the failing 2. and there were some better way
We can’t get the bivalent vaccines!
It is Orwellian Double Speak –
I have had my four jabs. The last one was AUGUST 2021. One year and five months ago. Now some folks say they wan after 3 months and some say after 6 months but either way I am totally screwed.
In Queensland they brought in needing a referral for a PCR test some months ago. I didn’t find out until recently I was sick and testing negative with RATS each day but was concerned the RATS were giving me a false negative. I drove to testing sites on the QLD health website that no longer existed. I went to four places and was then told only if you have a referral and no that is not coming in in January. So I had to do a lot of loop and hoop jumping but I got a referral and it was negative. Someone without a car wouldn’t have been able to access the testing sites that I went to. And someone without my level of education (three degrees) and ability to sweet talk wouldn’t have been able to get a referral.
It was a nightmare.
I cried at the end of it because I was so frustrated and terribly concerned and scared for those folks that don’t have the types of access that I have. It was a gut punch kind of experience for me.
How many will die because of a lack of timely testing and treatment?
Well yes the current numbers give us an idea.
But I felt so emotional about folks with disabilities who have no family to advocate for them, and all those people that we need to be caring for the most as they have the least access.
SCIENCE said:
fucking laugh out loud
- Experts say vaccines will remain the main defence against COVID-19 into 2023
- Despite investment in studying and treating long COVID, the virus will likely be a challenge for years to come
imagine if the idiocy of 1. directly caused the failing 2. and there were some better way
probably be more accurate to say the human hosts are willingly breeding the virus, save a whole lot of bullshit
