how does the internal monologue go, the internal conversation, what does the internal press agent have to say about this proposition

any arguments?

let there be no private thoughts, everyone is safe here

transition said:

how does the internal monologue go, the internal conversation, what does the internal press agent have to say about this proposition

any arguments?

let there be no private thoughts, everyone is safe here

Which proposition?

roughbarked said:

transition said:

how does the internal monologue go, the internal conversation, what does the internal press agent have to say about this proposition

any arguments?

let there be no private thoughts, everyone is safe here

Which proposition?

I presume the proposition is that wakefulness is the delusional state.

To which I offer these words, with which I am sure you will agree, Yes?

I see the cold mist in the night
And watch the hills roll out of sight
I watch in every single way
Inside out, outside in
Every day

The sun can warm the coldest dawn
And move the movement on the lawn
I learn in every single day
Inside out, outside in
Every way

And there you are
Making it up that you’re sure that it is a star
When all you see
Is an illusion shining down in front of me
And then you say

Even in time we shall control day
When what you see
Deep inside the day’s controlling you and me
And one peculiar point I see
As one with many ones of me
As truth is gathered, I rearrange
Inside out, outside in
Inside out, outside in
Perpetual change

And there you are
Saying we have the moon, so now the stars
When all you see
Is near disaster gazing down on you and me
And there you’re standing
Saying we have the whole world in our hands
When all you see
Deep inside the world’s controlling you and me
Who’ll see perpetual change
You’ll see perpetual change

And there you are
Making it up that you’re sure that it is a star
When all you see
Is an illusion shining down in front of me
And then you say

Even in time we shall control day
When all you see
Deep inside the day’s controlling you and me
As mist and sun are both the same
We look on as pawns of their game
They move to testify the day
Inside out, outside in
Inside out, outside in
All of the way

woke sets free

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

transition said:

how does the internal monologue go, the internal conversation, what does the internal press agent have to say about this proposition

any arguments?

let there be no private thoughts, everyone is safe here

Which proposition?

I presume the proposition is that wakefulness is the delusional state.

To which I offer these words, with which I am sure you will agree, Yes?

I see the cold mist in the night
And watch the hills roll out of sight
I watch in every single way
Inside out, outside in
Every day

The sun can warm the coldest dawn
And move the movement on the lawn
I learn in every single day
Inside out, outside in
Every way

And there you are
Making it up that you’re sure that it is a star
When all you see
Is an illusion shining down in front of me
And then you say

Even in time we shall control day
When what you see
Deep inside the day’s controlling you and me
And one peculiar point I see
As one with many ones of me
As truth is gathered, I rearrange
Inside out, outside in
Inside out, outside in
Perpetual change

And there you are
Saying we have the moon, so now the stars
When all you see
Is near disaster gazing down on you and me
And there you’re standing
Saying we have the whole world in our hands
When all you see
Deep inside the world’s controlling you and me
Who’ll see perpetual change
You’ll see perpetual change

And there you are
Making it up that you’re sure that it is a star
When all you see
Is an illusion shining down in front of me
And then you say

Even in time we shall control day
When all you see
Deep inside the day’s controlling you and me
As mist and sun are both the same
We look on as pawns of their game
They move to testify the day
Inside out, outside in
Inside out, outside in
All of the way

Yes. :)

transition said:

how does the internal monologue go, the internal conversation, what does the internal press agent have to say about this proposition

any arguments?

let there be no private thoughts, everyone is safe here

The matrix reloaded. ;-)

While young, I pondered about this. How delusional is our waking state? Are we living in the “demon’s dream” or in “Plato’s cave”? Given that changing brain chemistry (eg. by LSD) changes our perception of the world, who is to say that the view of the world with natural brain chemistry is any less delusional than our view of the world with changed brain chemistry?

This brings us to Epistemology. How we know what we know.

I came to the conclusion that reality could never be absolutely determined, but was built in the mind by the bootstrapping of coincidence.

In differing senses lead to the same conclusion. Eg.seeing lightning and hearing thunder, or smelling and touching and tasting and moving. Then the brain tentatively accepts that the multiple evidence is “real” until proved otherwise.

So is no-one going to present an alternative perspective on this?

The Rev Dodgson said:

So is no-one going to present an alternative perspective on this?

I’ll try post overnight in my REM stage.

Witty Rejoinder said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

So is no-one going to present an alternative perspective on this?

I’ll try post overnight in my REM stage.

chuckle

mollwollfumble said:

transition said:

how does the internal monologue go, the internal conversation, what does the internal press agent have to say about this proposition

any arguments?

let there be no private thoughts, everyone is safe here

The matrix reloaded. ;-)

While young, I pondered about this. How delusional is our waking state? Are we living in the “demon’s dream” or in “Plato’s cave”? Given that changing brain chemistry (eg. by LSD) changes our perception of the world, who is to say that the view of the world with natural brain chemistry is any less delusional than our view of the world with changed brain chemistry?

This brings us to Epistemology. How we know what we know.

I came to the conclusion that reality could never be absolutely determined, but was built in the mind by the bootstrapping of coincidence.

In differing senses lead to the same conclusion. Eg.seeing lightning and hearing thunder, or smelling and touching and tasting and moving. Then the brain tentatively accepts that the multiple evidence is “real” until proved otherwise.

What would reality be like if we could sense everything that existed.
Its like no matter how much company ones has everyone is still alone trapped in their own mind

It’s obviously true in that delusions are distorted perceptions associated with the conscious mind.

Dreams are not expected to be accurate perceptions of what’s going on, so can’t be regarded as delusional.

Reminds me, I had a dream this morn that was Doctor Who based. Rory Williams worked out a way to regenerate without changing form, regarding it as a form of immortality. He went back in time a bit and had a collection of random volunteers in his lab who all strapped themselves in to be killed by their own CO2 in these masks. They died and for a long time it looked as though it hadn’t worked and he’d just killed a bunch of people but then they started to regenerate.

Witty Rejoinder said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

So is no-one going to present an alternative perspective on this?

I’ll try post overnight in my REM stage.

Good thinking.

dv said:

Reminds me, I had a dream this morn that was Doctor Who based. Rory Williams worked out a way to regenerate without changing form, regarding it as a form of immortality. He went back in time a bit and had a collection of random volunteers in his lab who all strapped themselves in to be killed by their own CO2 in these masks. They died and for a long time it looked as though it hadn’t worked and he’d just killed a bunch of people but then they started to regenerate.

Praise the Lord.

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

Which proposition?

I presume the proposition is that wakefulness is the delusional state.

To which I offer these words, with which I am sure you will agree, Yes?

I see the cold mist in the night
And watch the hills roll out of sight
I watch in every single way
Inside out, outside in
Every day

The sun can warm the coldest dawn
And move the movement on the lawn
I learn in every single day
Inside out, outside in
Every way

And there you are
Making it up that you’re sure that it is a star
When all you see
Is an illusion shining down in front of me
And then you say

Even in time we shall control day
When what you see
Deep inside the day’s controlling you and me
And one peculiar point I see
As one with many ones of me
As truth is gathered, I rearrange
Inside out, outside in
Inside out, outside in
Perpetual change

And there you are
Saying we have the moon, so now the stars
When all you see
Is near disaster gazing down on you and me
And there you’re standing
Saying we have the whole world in our hands
When all you see
Deep inside the world’s controlling you and me
Who’ll see perpetual change
You’ll see perpetual change

And there you are
Making it up that you’re sure that it is a star
When all you see
Is an illusion shining down in front of me
And then you say

Even in time we shall control day
When all you see
Deep inside the day’s controlling you and me
As mist and sun are both the same
We look on as pawns of their game
They move to testify the day
Inside out, outside in
Inside out, outside in
All of the way

Yes. :)

yes… you lil lyrics freak you :) (:

Perpetual Change

Ogmog said:

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I presume the proposition is that wakefulness is the delusional state.

To which I offer these words, with which I am sure you will agree, Yes?

I see the cold mist in the night
And watch the hills roll out of sight
I watch in every single way
Inside out, outside in
Every day

The sun can warm the coldest dawn
And move the movement on the lawn
I learn in every single day
Inside out, outside in
Every way

And there you are
Making it up that you’re sure that it is a star
When all you see
Is an illusion shining down in front of me
And then you say

Even in time we shall control day
When what you see
Deep inside the day’s controlling you and me
And one peculiar point I see
As one with many ones of me
As truth is gathered, I rearrange
Inside out, outside in
Inside out, outside in
Perpetual change

And there you are
Saying we have the moon, so now the stars
When all you see
Is near disaster gazing down on you and me
And there you’re standing
Saying we have the whole world in our hands
When all you see
Deep inside the world’s controlling you and me
Who’ll see perpetual change
You’ll see perpetual change

And there you are
Making it up that you’re sure that it is a star
When all you see
Is an illusion shining down in front of me
And then you say

Even in time we shall control day
When all you see
Deep inside the day’s controlling you and me
As mist and sun are both the same
We look on as pawns of their game
They move to testify the day
Inside out, outside in
Inside out, outside in
All of the way

Yes. :)

yes… you lil lyrics freak you :) (:

Perpetual Change

One of my favourite songs.

mollwollfumble said:

transition said:

how does the internal monologue go, the internal conversation, what does the internal press agent have to say about this proposition

any arguments?

let there be no private thoughts, everyone is safe here

The matrix reloaded. ;-)

While young, I pondered about this. How delusional is our waking state? Are we living in the “demon’s dream” or in “Plato’s cave”? Given that changing brain chemistry (eg. by LSD) changes our perception of the world, who is to say that the view of the world with natural brain chemistry is any less delusional than our view of the world with changed brain chemistry?

This brings us to Epistemology. How we know what we know.

I came to the conclusion that reality could never be absolutely determined, but was built in the mind by the bootstrapping of coincidence.

In differing senses lead to the same conclusion. Eg.seeing lightning and hearing thunder, or smelling and touching and tasting and moving. Then the brain tentatively accepts that the multiple evidence is “real” until proved otherwise.

realised you mean

roughbarked said:

Ogmog said:

roughbarked said:

Yes. :)

yes… you lil lyrics freak you :) (:

Perpetual Change

One of my favourite songs.

whole dammed album

that and Olias changed me furever :)

roughbarked said:

transition said:

how does the internal monologue go, the internal conversation, what does the internal press agent have to say about this proposition

any arguments?

let there be no private thoughts, everyone is safe here

Which proposition?

alter~native (life changing ?)
WICK
WACK
WOKE

hard to unlearn the troof once it hits you up-side the hade :-/ o-8

Cymek said:

mollwollfumble said:

transition said:

how does the internal monologue go, the internal conversation, what does the internal press agent have to say about this proposition

any arguments?

let there be no private thoughts, everyone is safe here

The matrix reloaded. ;-)

While young, I pondered about this. How delusional is our waking state? Are we living in the “demon’s dream” or in “Plato’s cave”? Given that changing brain chemistry (eg. by LSD) changes our perception of the world, who is to say that the view of the world with natural brain chemistry is any less delusional than our view of the world with changed brain chemistry?

This brings us to Epistemology. How we know what we know.

I came to the conclusion that reality could never be absolutely determined, but was built in the mind by the bootstrapping of coincidence.

In differing senses lead to the same conclusion. Eg.seeing lightning and hearing thunder, or smelling and touching and tasting and moving. Then the brain tentatively accepts that the multiple evidence is “real” until proved otherwise.

What would reality be like if we could sense everything that existed.
Its like no matter how much company ones has everyone is still alone trapped in their own mind

just got a flash~back of a chemically induced experience from over 50 years ago =8-o

I remember lying on the sofa
when suddenly every move down to the twitch of a finger
spun out toooooooooooooooooooo infinity
wherein every movement set changes cascading out like The Butterfly Effect
where I was able to view the panoply of cause and effects like an old time flicker movie….

doan remember how long I lay there almost paralyzed
scared to death of setting god-knows-what into motion……………………

Gezis…
thanx 4 the mammary >8-/

Ogmog said:

roughbarked said:

Ogmog said:

yes… you lil lyrics freak you :) (:

Perpetual Change

One of my favourite songs.

whole dammed album

that and Olias changed me furever :)

This album did that for me

roughbarked said:

Ogmog said:

roughbarked said:

One of my favourite songs.

whole dammed album

that and Olias changed me furever :)

This album did that for me

stepped into someone’s car and
THIS was playing
…up until then I was into Classical Music
…so needless to say I was enchanted!
after class I rushed out and bought a copy