<link> https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/asio-chief-flags-alarming-increase-in-children-lured-to-extremism/
The number of children attracted to extremist groups has increased dramatically and minors are now the focus of more than half of the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation’s highest priority investigations each week.
ms spock said:
<link> https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/asio-chief-flags-alarming-increase-in-children-lured-to-extremism/
The number of children attracted to extremist groups has increased dramatically and minors are now the focus of more than half of the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation’s highest priority investigations each week.
plenty that in movies etc out of the land of liberty
yeah
can’t we just blame CHINA, oh wait maybe it was adenovirus
ms spock said:
<link> https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/asio-chief-flags-alarming-increase-in-children-lured-to-extremism/
The number of children attracted to extremist groups has increased dramatically and minors are now the focus of more than half of the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation’s highest priority investigations each week.
Yes.
Lgbtqia+ and Environmental activism particularly.
mollwollfumble said:
ms spock said:<link> https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/asio-chief-flags-alarming-increase-in-children-lured-to-extremism/
The number of children attracted to extremist groups has increased dramatically and minors are now the focus of more than half of the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation’s highest priority investigations each week.
Yes.
Lgbtqia+ and Environmental activism particularly.
Are you a Roy Spencer fan?
The Rev Dodgson said:
mollwollfumble said:
ms spock said:<link> https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/asio-chief-flags-alarming-increase-in-children-lured-to-extremism/
The number of children attracted to extremist groups has increased dramatically and minors are now the focus of more than half of the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation’s highest priority investigations each week.
Yes.
Lgbtqia+ and Environmental activism particularly.
Are you a Roy Spencer fan?
Never ‘eard of ‘im. Relative of Frank Spencer?
mollwollfumble said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
mollwollfumble said:Yes.
Lgbtqia+ and Environmental activism particularly.
Are you a Roy Spencer fan?
Never ‘eard of ‘im. Relative of Frank Spencer?
You’re a mashup
mollwollfumble said:
ms spock said:<link> https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/asio-chief-flags-alarming-increase-in-children-lured-to-extremism/
The number of children attracted to extremist groups has increased dramatically and minors are now the focus of more than half of the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation’s highest priority investigations each week.
Yes.
Lgbtqia+ and Environmental activism particularly.
I am not sure what you mean Mollwollfumble?
ms spock said:
<link> https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/asio-chief-flags-alarming-increase-in-children-lured-to-extremism/
The number of children attracted to extremist groups has increased dramatically and minors are now the focus of more than half of the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation’s highest priority investigations each week.
“How wonderful it is to be an amoral individual.” These words, scrawled amidst plans for violence, were found in the journal of a British neo-Nazi convicted of plotting a terror attack. They were also the words of a 16-year old boy. The perpetration of brutal terror attacks by white men has sparked global concern about the susceptibility of this demographic to radicalisation and the threat they pose to society. However, this emphasis on white men has obscured the real, and increasing, threat from white boys.
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/countering-radical-right/boys-men-violent-teenagers-radical-right/
ms spock said:
<link> https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/asio-chief-flags-alarming-increase-in-children-lured-to-extremism/
The number of children attracted to extremist groups has increased dramatically and minors are now the focus of more than half of the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation’s highest priority investigations each week.
Revisiting the White Boys From Portland to Ukraine: Anomie and Right-Wing Extremism
The 2022 mass shooting in Buffalo, New York that targeted black grocery shoppers followed a now-familiar pattern. A white male, radicalized by online disinformation campaigns, including the narrative that whites are being systematically “replaced” in society, engaged in an act of domestic terrorism to further the cause of white nationalism. This article charts the ways that right-wing extremism has evolved in the first two decades of the twentieth-first century. This recent history begins with the racist skinhead and patriot militia movements that dominated the literature 20 years ago and moves through the rise of the alt-right, lone-wolf attacks, the January 6, 2021, Capitol attack, and finally, situates a globalized movement in a pandemic era of de-globalization that has both direct and indirect connection to the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine. The theoretical theme throughout is Emile Durkheim’s concept of anomie and how white males have responded to the rapid pace of social change. Conclusions are drawn from a wide variety of interviews, from Proud Boys in Portland, Oregon to Ukrainian soldiers, stationed on the Ukraine–Poland border.
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/countering-radical-right/boys-men-violent-teenagers-radical-right/
ms spock said:
ms spock said:
<link> https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/asio-chief-flags-alarming-increase-in-children-lured-to-extremism/
The number of children attracted to extremist groups has increased dramatically and minors are now the focus of more than half of the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation’s highest priority investigations each week.
“How wonderful it is to be an amoral individual.” These words, scrawled amidst plans for violence, were found in the journal of a British neo-Nazi convicted of plotting a terror attack. They were also the words of a 16-year old boy. The perpetration of brutal terror attacks by white men has sparked global concern about the susceptibility of this demographic to radicalisation and the threat they pose to society. However, this emphasis on white men has obscured the real, and increasing, threat from white boys.
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/countering-radical-right/boys-men-violent-teenagers-radical-right/
I really don’t think it’s a great idea focussing on the skin colour of active terrorists, regardless of what the colour is.
Racism is a public health crisis: white radicalization and the lie of meritocracy
by Alex Dormanin Behavioral Health, Blog, Racial Equity
One of the more recent tragedies of white male radicalization was the terrorist attack in a Buffalo supermarket earlier this summer, in which a young man who looks like me sought to destroy the lives of as many Black people as possible.
No one demanded to know what I think of white male rage, violence, or terrorism.No one held it against me that this terrorist and I are both white males. No one demanded to know what I think of white male rage, violence, or terrorism (that kind of treatment is reserved for my Black and brown coworkers, friends, and neighbors, who will be asked to explain and account for the actions of people that look more like them). Instead, we heard about mental health, “lone wolves,” troubled childhoods, and “really bad days.” And white people will continue to distance themselves from the pattern of white supremacist terrorism because that is our privilege – one we need to actively fight against.
I recently had the privilege of attending an important two-day training on Allyship, delivered by the organization Service Never Sleeps. Per the training, one of the tenets of what it means to be an effective ally is to engage with folks who share my privileges to better understand the systems of oppression that benefit us. And while I certainly don’t have all the answers (it is also critically important to remain humble as an ally), I do have some insight into white male radicalization, a terrifying phenomenon with deep historical roots that continues to adapt for the modern age.
This blog is an attempt to explore the pathways through which a young white male like myself becomes engaged in radicalized white supremacist terrorism in the US, and how we might counteract these measures. I do not seek to center myself or people who look like me in racially motivated shootings, and I certainly do not seek to pardon the thoughts or actions of supremacists. Everyone is ultimately responsible for their own actions, and chooses to engage in white supremacist thinking. In order to prevent further radicalization however, I think it’s important for white men to ask the question:
Why does someone who looks like me want to hurt people who don’t?Recognizing the white supremacy playbook
The Buffalo terrorist’s motivations stem from a long standing history of racist political rhetoric that is regularly echoed in popular mainstream media. You’ve also probably heard how social media and other online communities are the greatest catalysts for the spread and evolution of this dangerous rhetoric. It’s true, and shouldn’t come as a surprise to any active social media user, who is likely to at some point or another be exposed to white supremacist content. As the director of one of the most popular white supremacist websites explicitly explained: “The goal is to continually repeat the same points, over and over and over and over again. The reader is at first drawn in by curiosity or the naughty humor, and is slowly awakened to reality by repeatedly reading the same points.”
This is essentially the playbook for developing young white supremacists; using dog whistles, increasingly explicit racist messaging, humor, and repetition on websites and social media that people are already comfortable using – Reddit, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, 4chan, etc. While these sites all operate a little differently, they all actively host (and in some cases promote) white supremacist content including the racist theories that radicalized the Buffalo shooter. Social media algorithms convert engagement to continued exposure, priming users to experience echo chambers of racist content in their feeds. Platforms are either ill equipped or uninterested in moderating this content, despite research telling us that regular exposure to hate speech and racist content both desensitizes and increases prejudice.
So, the information and the manipulation tactics are there and growing, largely unchecked. But what determines who is ensnared? One element that determines the efficacy of radicalization efforts is a person’s protective factors. I can use myself as an illustration here, not long ago an adolescent white male with unfettered internet access and plenty of time. I can’t say with certainty that had I been exposed to the playbook above at an early age I wouldn’t have become radicalized. But I also – thankfully – had a mother who was unafraid to talk about racism, and teachers who were empowered to communicate the truth about our nation’s racist and supremacist past and present.
Policies and pressure that support downplaying racism
Another key protective factor is the ability to synthesize content with proper context. I’ve written before about the dangers of content without context, specifically regarding the misuse of data to justify racist thinking and policymaking. Young people may be exposed to well-tailored white supremacist memes, jokes, and dog whistles before they are educated on the racist history of the United States. But when their teachers are empowered to foster honest discussion, they can nurture critical thinking skills that allow students to meaningfully and critically consume content.
Young people may be exposed to well-tailored white supremacist memes, jokes, and dog whistles before they are educated on the racist history of the United States.Both of these influences – protective factors and critical/contextual thinking skills – relate to the experience of children in classrooms. The role of our teachers in reducing white supremacist violence therefore cannot be overstated. That is why it is all the more appalling that there are multiple active efforts in the state of Ohio (House Bill 322, House Bill 327, House Bill 616) and nationally that, if passed, would make it illegal to teach lessons about racism in the classroom. The bills prohibit critical analyses of concepts such as the United States being inherently racist, meritocracy being a product of white supremacy, white people bearing responsibility for the actions of our ancestors, and students feeling any sort of psychological distress (including “discomfort” and “anguish”) on account of their race. There’s a lot to unpack and not a lot of room here so I want to focus on just a couple points: impartiality and meritocracy.
The lie of meritocracy
In HB 327, teachers are permitted to teach about “divisive concepts” so long as it is in an “objective manner without endorsement,” and encourages “impartial discussion of controversial aspects of history.” What does that mean, I wonder – to teach “controversial aspects of history” such as slavery and genocide impartially or without endorsement? Would it not be discomforting for young Black Ohioans to hear the horrifying truths about slavery and racism that shaped the laws, culture, and economic strength of the United States, taught in a way that is “impartial”? Would it not be anguishing for young American Indians to learn about the violent theft of their land taught in the proposed detached, neutral way?
The emphasis on upholding the concept of meritocracy illustrates how these bills suppress the critical and contextual thinking skills that help prevent the radicalization of young white men. The notion that hard work and determination pave the way for success is a core belief of the American Dream, but one that has been largely debunked. Factors such as how wealthy your parents are, the quality of your school system, and where in the country you were born are all far more important than how hard you work. In fact, according to the Census, individuals who work multiple fulltime jobs on average make less than people who only hold one job.
The concept of a meritocracy gives white people permission to ignore systemic oppression and problems fundamental to the United States.The concept of a meritocracy gives white people permission to ignore systemic oppression and problems fundamental to the United States. It gives young white men who learn that, for example, women consistently earn less than men in the work force, or that on average Black and Hispanic families in America only have a small fraction of wealth compared to white families, or that there is a gross overrepresentation of Black people in the criminal legal system, permission to believe stories about personal responsibility and blame. It allows us to believe our privilege was earned. And with zero context for why these inequities exist, the number of young white men primed for the radicalization they will almost inevitably stumble upon (and potentially be taught in their schools) will continue to grow.
So, what can we do?
Fight back against legislative efforts to rob young people of proper education. Support declarations of racism as a public health crisis (an important first step to advancing racial equity). Hold social media companies accountable. And be a positive influence – in person and online. Service Never Sleeps also strongly recommends that allies should amplify BIPOC and other marginalized voices, something that can certainly be done with social and traditional media. You can also explore the comprehensive curation by Black scholars with roots in Buffalo of information related to racism, violent policing, and the systemic oppression Black and Indigenous people face in Buffalo. The collection is called the Buffalo Syllabus.
Be comfortable with your own self-critique.Finally, be comfortable with your own self-critique. Are you engaging with or amplifying content online or on social media platforms that is upholding subtly bigoted ideas? Do you have young family members that may have access to this kind of dangerous content? You probably understand why a racist meme is wrong; let’s make sure the children and young adults in our lives do as well. Better that context comes from you and not the comments section.
The Rev Dodgson said:
ms spock said:ms spock said:
<link> https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/asio-chief-flags-alarming-increase-in-children-lured-to-extremism/
The number of children attracted to extremist groups has increased dramatically and minors are now the focus of more than half of the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation’s highest priority investigations each week.
“How wonderful it is to be an amoral individual.” These words, scrawled amidst plans for violence, were found in the journal of a British neo-Nazi convicted of plotting a terror attack. They were also the words of a 16-year old boy. The perpetration of brutal terror attacks by white men has sparked global concern about the susceptibility of this demographic to radicalisation and the threat they pose to society. However, this emphasis on white men has obscured the real, and increasing, threat from white boys.
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/countering-radical-right/boys-men-violent-teenagers-radical-right/
I really don’t think it’s a great idea focussing on the skin colour of active terrorists, regardless of what the colour is.
Especially since recent events suggest that non-white people can get obsessed with white nationalism…
ms spock said:
ms spock said:
<link> https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/asio-chief-flags-alarming-increase-in-children-lured-to-extremism/
The number of children attracted to extremist groups has increased dramatically and minors are now the focus of more than half of the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation’s highest priority investigations each week.
Revisiting the White Boys From Portland to Ukraine: Anomie and Right-Wing Extremism
The 2022 mass shooting in Buffalo, New York that targeted black grocery shoppers followed a now-familiar pattern. A white male, radicalized by online disinformation campaigns, including the narrative that whites are being systematically “replaced” in society, engaged in an act of domestic terrorism to further the cause of white nationalism. This article charts the ways that right-wing extremism has evolved in the first two decades of the twentieth-first century. This recent history begins with the racist skinhead and patriot militia movements that dominated the literature 20 years ago and moves through the rise of the alt-right, lone-wolf attacks, the January 6, 2021, Capitol attack, and finally, situates a globalized movement in a pandemic era of de-globalization that has both direct and indirect connection to the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine. The theoretical theme throughout is Emile Durkheim’s concept of anomie and how white males have responded to the rapid pace of social change. Conclusions are drawn from a wide variety of interviews, from Proud Boys in Portland, Oregon to Ukrainian soldiers, stationed on the Ukraine–Poland border.
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/countering-radical-right/boys-men-violent-teenagers-radical-right/
Oops, meant to post:
Russia has strong connections with far right Western extremists:
….Dating back to 2004, David Duke characterized Russia as the “key to white survival,” and American white supremacist Richard Spencer recently identified Russia as the “sole white power in the world.” Both Jared Taylor—founder of the white supremacist outlet American Renaissance—and Matthew Heimbach—a Unite the Right organizer and leader of the now-defunct Traditionalist Workers Party—have met in person with ultranationalist Russian political leaders in 2015 and 2017, respectively.
For its part, the Russian government has exploited this interest. It has both turned a blind eye to far-right paramilitarism within its own borders and actively cultivated neo-Nazism in the West. These decisions align with its broader project to sow discord in Western democracies and influence transcontinental relations, despite its relatively weak military and economy. Russian President Vladimir Putin’s support for right-wing violence in the West constitutes an element in his broader destabilization campaign.
In the United States especially, white supremacist terrorists act upon an ideology that is deeply rooted in the country’s history of racist violence. The United States and its Western allies, therefore, must confront the issue of white supremacist terrorism at home and work towards a long overdue recalibration of counterterrorism priorities. But while the United States and its partners must confront this problem at home, they must also remember that hostile foreign powers have exploited homegrown racism for decades. Moreover, as Western counterterrorism efforts against white supremacist violence continue to ramp up (U.S. authorities, for example, have arrested seven members of the Base and a leader of the Unite the Right rally in recent weeks), extremists and aspiring terrorists may seek refuge in a more permissive environment, exacerbating the problem of Russian support.
….In 2014, the ultranationalist political organization Russian Imperial Movement (RIM) began training volunteers to fight alongside its paramilitary wing in eastern Ukraine, but the group has since expanded its operations to include global ambitions. According to the group’s spokesperson, RIM seeks to “continue to establish contacts with right-wing, traditionalist and conservative organizations around the world” in order “to share the experience of political information warfare and joint squad tactics training.” Most prominently, RIM has worked alongside the Russian political party Rodina (also known as the Motherland-National Patriotic Union) to convene the World National-Conservative Movement (WNCM), a conference organized against the principles of “liberalism, multiculturalism and tolerance.”
WNCM’s organizers, however, sought to move beyond ideological exchanges and establish “joint camps for military and athletic instruction.” Now, through its paramilitary arm Imperial Legion, RIM carries out weeklong military-style training sessions known as Partisan. Led by a former member of the Russian armed forces, this program teaches ‘cadets’ to operate firearms and move in tactical formation.
https://www.justsecurity.org/68420/confronting-russias-role-in-transnational-white-supremacist-extremism/
ASIO
Bringing back radicalised ISIS brides and their kids back to Australia:
White men : bad
ASIO has gone insane. See yuri bezmenov.
Believe it or not many and more terror attacks are committed by “minority” groups.
ASIO has been pushing this wheelbarrow for years now – I don’t take anything they say seriously now.
The Rev Dodgson said:
ms spock said:ms spock said:
<link> https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/asio-chief-flags-alarming-increase-in-children-lured-to-extremism/
The number of children attracted to extremist groups has increased dramatically and minors are now the focus of more than half of the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation’s highest priority investigations each week.
“How wonderful it is to be an amoral individual.” These words, scrawled amidst plans for violence, were found in the journal of a British neo-Nazi convicted of plotting a terror attack. They were also the words of a 16-year old boy. The perpetration of brutal terror attacks by white men has sparked global concern about the susceptibility of this demographic to radicalisation and the threat they pose to society. However, this emphasis on white men has obscured the real, and increasing, threat from white boys.
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/countering-radical-right/boys-men-violent-teenagers-radical-right/
I really don’t think it’s a great idea focussing on the skin colour of active terrorists, regardless of what the colour is.
But that’s half the problem Rev, when it’s Muslims there’s no big outcry with demonising them as terrorists, with the white shooters in America they don’t even have the legislation to address home grown terrorism.
ASIO has been flagging for over a decade the rising threat from young white men in Australia. Conservative politicians failed to act at all except to fight and say it’s offensive to link at all to young right wing Christian men. That offends us as politicians. And now we are in a situation where there aren’t the resources or deradicalisation programmes for young white men as there are for young Muslim men. There aren’t off ramps there’s no community programmes for young white man.
And we don’t want to get the guns back because all their suicides didn’t translate into other suicides.
There’s so many simple things that can be done for these young white men if we could get some basic supports out there for them.
Pretending that they don’t exist is tremendously dangerous. And it might be way too late. The horse might have well and truly bolted. But it is a discussion worth engaging with.
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
ms spock said:“How wonderful it is to be an amoral individual.” These words, scrawled amidst plans for violence, were found in the journal of a British neo-Nazi convicted of plotting a terror attack. They were also the words of a 16-year old boy. The perpetration of brutal terror attacks by white men has sparked global concern about the susceptibility of this demographic to radicalisation and the threat they pose to society. However, this emphasis on white men has obscured the real, and increasing, threat from white boys.
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/countering-radical-right/boys-men-violent-teenagers-radical-right/
I really don’t think it’s a great idea focussing on the skin colour of active terrorists, regardless of what the colour is.
Especially since recent events suggest that non-white people can get obsessed with white nationalism…
Like how white people get obsessed with muslim extremism you mean?
I’d like to see all white men banned from parliament, ANY government job, get rid of them in the military at ALL levels
( it’s the only way).
wookiemeister said:
ASIOBringing back radicalised ISIS brides and their kids back to Australia:
White men : bad
ASIO has gone insane. See yuri bezmenov.
Believe it or not many and more terror attacks are committed by “minority” groups.
ASIO has been pushing this wheelbarrow for years now – I don’t take anything they say seriously now.
wookiemeister said:
ASIOBringing back radicalised ISIS brides and their kids back to Australia:
White men : bad
ASIO has gone insane. See yuri bezmenov.
Believe it or not many and more terror attacks are committed by “minority” groups.
ASIO has been pushing this wheelbarrow for years now – I don’t take anything they say seriously now.
Every race has these traits, if you look at most freedom fighters/civil wars they aren’t about replacing something bad with something better is just a different bad.
Bubblecar said:
Oops, meant to post:Russia has strong connections with far right Western extremists:
….Dating back to 2004, David Duke characterized Russia as the “key to white survival,” and American white supremacist Richard Spencer recently identified Russia as the “sole white power in the world.” Both Jared Taylor—founder of the white supremacist outlet American Renaissance—and Matthew Heimbach—a Unite the Right organizer and leader of the now-defunct Traditionalist Workers Party—have met in person with ultranationalist Russian political leaders in 2015 and 2017, respectively.
For its part, the Russian government has exploited this interest. It has both turned a blind eye to far-right paramilitarism within its own borders and actively cultivated neo-Nazism in the West. These decisions align with its broader project to sow discord in Western democracies and influence transcontinental relations, despite its relatively weak military and economy. Russian President Vladimir Putin’s support for right-wing violence in the West constitutes an element in his broader destabilization campaign.
In the United States especially, white supremacist terrorists act upon an ideology that is deeply rooted in the country’s history of racist violence. The United States and its Western allies, therefore, must confront the issue of white supremacist terrorism at home and work towards a long overdue recalibration of counterterrorism priorities. But while the United States and its partners must confront this problem at home, they must also remember that hostile foreign powers have exploited homegrown racism for decades. Moreover, as Western counterterrorism efforts against white supremacist violence continue to ramp up (U.S. authorities, for example, have arrested seven members of the Base and a leader of the Unite the Right rally in recent weeks), extremists and aspiring terrorists may seek refuge in a more permissive environment, exacerbating the problem of Russian support.
….In 2014, the ultranationalist political organization Russian Imperial Movement (RIM) began training volunteers to fight alongside its paramilitary wing in eastern Ukraine, but the group has since expanded its operations to include global ambitions. According to the group’s spokesperson, RIM seeks to “continue to establish contacts with right-wing, traditionalist and conservative organizations around the world” in order “to share the experience of political information warfare and joint squad tactics training.” Most prominently, RIM has worked alongside the Russian political party Rodina (also known as the Motherland-National Patriotic Union) to convene the World National-Conservative Movement (WNCM), a conference organized against the principles of “liberalism, multiculturalism and tolerance.”
WNCM’s organizers, however, sought to move beyond ideological exchanges and establish “joint camps for military and athletic instruction.” Now, through its paramilitary arm Imperial Legion, RIM carries out weeklong military-style training sessions known as Partisan. Led by a former member of the Russian armed forces, this program teaches ‘cadets’ to operate firearms and move in tactical formation.
https://www.justsecurity.org/68420/confronting-russias-role-in-transnational-white-supremacist-extremism/
Putin has used his modest investment in troll farms and his cyber unit in such a sophisticated that I feel terrified of what he could do next. They targeted the poorest and the most vulnerable.
wookiemeister said:
I’d like to see all white men banned from parliament, ANY government job, get rid of them in the military at ALL levels( it’s the only way).
Lots of men who aren’t white have done and still do terrible things.
ms spock said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
ms spock said:“How wonderful it is to be an amoral individual.” These words, scrawled amidst plans for violence, were found in the journal of a British neo-Nazi convicted of plotting a terror attack. They were also the words of a 16-year old boy. The perpetration of brutal terror attacks by white men has sparked global concern about the susceptibility of this demographic to radicalisation and the threat they pose to society. However, this emphasis on white men has obscured the real, and increasing, threat from white boys.
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/countering-radical-right/boys-men-violent-teenagers-radical-right/
I really don’t think it’s a great idea focussing on the skin colour of active terrorists, regardless of what the colour is.
But that’s half the problem Rev, when it’s Muslims there’s no big outcry with demonising them as terrorists, with the white shooters in America they don’t even have the legislation to address home grown terrorism.
ASIO has been flagging for over a decade the rising threat from young white men in Australia. Conservative politicians failed to act at all except to fight and say it’s offensive to link at all to young right wing Christian men. That offends us as politicians. And now we are in a situation where there aren’t the resources or deradicalisation programmes for young white men as there are for young Muslim men. There aren’t off ramps there’s no community programmes for young white man.
And we don’t want to get the guns back because all their suicides didn’t translate into other suicides.
There’s so many simple things that can be done for these young white men if we could get some basic supports out there for them.
Pretending that they don’t exist is tremendously dangerous. And it might be way too late. The horse might have well and truly bolted. But it is a discussion worth engaging with.
On the contrary, when its Muslims there is a huge outcry when the terrorist actions are depicted as typical Muslim behaviour, as there should be.
No-one argues that Muslim terrorism should not be recognised as a problem, and I am not arguing that white extremist terrorism should not be recognised as a problem.
Tamb said:
wookiemeister said:
ASIOBringing back radicalised ISIS brides and their kids back to Australia:
White men : bad
ASIO has gone insane. See yuri bezmenov.
Believe it or not many and more terror attacks are committed by “minority” groups.
ASIO has been pushing this wheelbarrow for years now – I don’t take anything they say seriously now.
They’ve been watching too many 007 movies.
https://youtu.be/uVQDvcgRtGU
I’m more likely to watch this than 007
Cymek said:
wookiemeister said:
I’d like to see all white men banned from parliament, ANY government job, get rid of them in the military at ALL levels( it’s the only way).
Lots of men who aren’t white have done and still do terrible things.
The Rev Dodgson said:
mollwollfumble said:
ms spock said:<link> https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/asio-chief-flags-alarming-increase-in-children-lured-to-extremism/
The number of children attracted to extremist groups has increased dramatically and minors are now the focus of more than half of the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation’s highest priority investigations each week.
Yes.
Lgbtqia+ and Environmental activism particularly.
Are you a Roy Spencer fan?
Actually, this is getting weird.
This is the third or fourth time I’ve been accused of being a follower of someone I’ve never heard of.
A) Please stop it.
B) What sort of weirdos are you listening to?
All these extremists are giving extremism a bad name
wookiemeister said:
All these extremists are giving extremism a bad name
Nothing new there. It always has had a bad name.
Cymek said:
wookiemeister said:
I’d like to see all white men banned from parliament, ANY government job, get rid of them in the military at ALL levels( it’s the only way).
Lots of men who aren’t white have done and still do terrible things.
mollwollfumble said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
mollwollfumble said:Yes.
Lgbtqia+ and Environmental activism particularly.
Are you a Roy Spencer fan?
Actually, this is getting weird.
This is the third or fourth time I’ve been accused of being a follower of someone I’ve never heard of.
A) Please stop it.
B) What sort of weirdos are you listening to?
wookiemeister said:
Cymek said:
wookiemeister said:
I’d like to see all white men banned from parliament, ANY government job, get rid of them in the military at ALL levels( it’s the only way).
Lots of men who aren’t white have done and still do terrible things.
No, sorry, I’m completely inflexible
wookiemeister said:
I’d like to see all white men banned from parliament, ANY government job, get rid of them in the military at ALL levels( it’s the only way).
Speaking of extremism…
wookiemeister said:
ASIOBringing back radicalised ISIS brides and their kids back to Australia:
White men : bad
ASIO has gone insane. See yuri bezmenov.
Believe it or not many and more terror attacks are committed by “minority” groups.
ASIO has been pushing this wheelbarrow for years now – I don’t take anything they say seriously now.
I don’t know much about the Radicialised ISIS Brides but there can be wisdom in having folks where you can see what they are doing, and you can make sure they are not active. I did notice during Covid our government didn’t create enough quarantine facilities to bring back Australians from throughout the world and that scared me that we didn’t take care of our own citizens.
I am not sure waht you mean about “white men : bad”? Can you tell me about that?
It’s actually not a wheel barrow wookiemeister. It’s based on the investigations that they have been engaged in in the previous year. We need to be providing social supports and pathways to employment and education that is meaningful for these young white men. It would be good to have a range of off ramps from the radicalisation process, whihc is now done so skillfully via the Web.
This has some interesting points.
https://ourworldindata.org/terrorism
mollwollfumble said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
mollwollfumble said:Yes.
Lgbtqia+ and Environmental activism particularly.
Are you a Roy Spencer fan?
Actually, this is getting weird.
This is the third or fourth time I’ve been accused of being a follower of someone I’ve never heard of.
A) Please stop it.
B) What sort of weirdos are you listening to?
If you say stuff that is similar to the stuff said by one of the most prominent people in a particular group, why shouldn’t we ask if you are a fan of that person?
It is extraordinary that you have never heard of Roy Spencer, but he is on Wikipedia, and he has an easily accessible web page.
Tamb said:
Cymek said:
wookiemeister said:
I’d like to see all white men banned from parliament, ANY government job, get rid of them in the military at ALL levels( it’s the only way).
Lots of men who aren’t white have done and still do terrible things.
Pol Pot, Idi. e.g.
Yes power attracts the worst of humanity, who wants powers just a quiet life, left alone to do what you want with minimal harm to life.
Differences in attitudes toward terrorists: Type of terrorist act, terrorist ethnicity, and observer gender and cultural background
Inna Levy 1,2 and Nir Rozmann3
Abstract
To explore the interrelationship between terrorist acts, terrorist ethnicity, and observer gender and
cultural background in Israel, we recruited 211 participants aged 19–75 years. The majority were
male (63%). As for the ethnic and religious cultural background, 40% were Jewish, 40% Druze,
and 20% Muslim. The participants answered questions about their demographic characteristics,
read three scenarios of terrorist acts, addressed attitudes toward terrorists, and suggested the
length of imprisonment. We manipulated the type of act (shooting and killing/burning religious
institutions/throwing stones at cars) and terrorist ethnicity (Arab/ Jewish). The results indicate
significant main effects of the manipulated variables regarding attitudes toward terrorists. Also,
Muslim Arab participants expressed more negative attitudes in cases of Jewish terrorists than Arab
terrorists, whereas Jewish participants expressed more negative attitudes toward Arab terrorists
than Jewish terrorists. Druze participants did not differentiate between Arab and Jewish terrorists.
Furthermore, in cases of Arab perpetrators, Jewish participants suggested imprisonment terms
2.4 times longer than in cases of Jewish perpetrators. The discussion addresses the findings in the
context of social identity theory and dual social identification. Regarding practical implications,
the findings imply the need for education and training on ethnic bias among policymakers and
practitioners.
Keywords
attitudes toward terrorists, ethnicity, gender, observer, social identity theory, type of harm
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/13684302211040112
Cymek said:
Tamb said:
Cymek said:Lots of men who aren’t white have done and still do terrible things.
Pol Pot, Idi. e.g.Yes power attracts the worst of humanity, who wants powers just a quiet life, left alone to do what you want with minimal harm to life.
Sadly Hitler & Stalin were both white.
mollwollfumble said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
mollwollfumble said:Yes.
Lgbtqia+ and Environmental activism particularly.
Are you a Roy Spencer fan?
Actually, this is getting weird.
This is the third or fourth time I’ve been accused of being a follower of someone I’ve never heard of.
A) Please stop it.
B) What sort of weirdos are you listening to?
That’s no accusation; he asked a question.
The Rev Dodgson said:
ms spock said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I really don’t think it’s a great idea focussing on the skin colour of active terrorists, regardless of what the colour is.
But that’s half the problem Rev, when it’s Muslims there’s no big outcry with demonising them as terrorists, with the white shooters in America they don’t even have the legislation to address home grown terrorism.
ASIO has been flagging for over a decade the rising threat from young white men in Australia. Conservative politicians failed to act at all except to fight and say it’s offensive to link at all to young right wing Christian men. That offends us as politicians. And now we are in a situation where there aren’t the resources or deradicalisation programmes for young white men as there are for young Muslim men. There aren’t off ramps there’s no community programmes for young white man.
And we don’t want to get the guns back because all their suicides didn’t translate into other suicides.
There’s so many simple things that can be done for these young white men if we could get some basic supports out there for them.
Pretending that they don’t exist is tremendously dangerous. And it might be way too late. The horse might have well and truly bolted. But it is a discussion worth engaging with.
On the contrary, when its Muslims there is a huge outcry when the terrorist actions are depicted as typical Muslim behaviour, as there should be.
No-one argues that Muslim terrorism should not be recognised as a problem, and I am not arguing that white extremist terrorism should not be recognised as a problem.
Oh totally I get that Rev you are totally right and not in denial about either Muslim or white extremist terrorism, but a lot of folks are though. To the point that we haven’t got supports in place to assist radicalised young white men.
Tamb said:
Cymek said:
Tamb said:Pol Pot, Idi. e.g.
Yes power attracts the worst of humanity, who wants powers just a quiet life, left alone to do what you want with minimal harm to life.
Sadly Hitler & Stalin were both white.
Yes not good for us
ms spock said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
ms spock said:But that’s half the problem Rev, when it’s Muslims there’s no big outcry with demonising them as terrorists, with the white shooters in America they don’t even have the legislation to address home grown terrorism.
ASIO has been flagging for over a decade the rising threat from young white men in Australia. Conservative politicians failed to act at all except to fight and say it’s offensive to link at all to young right wing Christian men. That offends us as politicians. And now we are in a situation where there aren’t the resources or deradicalisation programmes for young white men as there are for young Muslim men. There aren’t off ramps there’s no community programmes for young white man.
And we don’t want to get the guns back because all their suicides didn’t translate into other suicides.
There’s so many simple things that can be done for these young white men if we could get some basic supports out there for them.
Pretending that they don’t exist is tremendously dangerous. And it might be way too late. The horse might have well and truly bolted. But it is a discussion worth engaging with.
On the contrary, when its Muslims there is a huge outcry when the terrorist actions are depicted as typical Muslim behaviour, as there should be.
No-one argues that Muslim terrorism should not be recognised as a problem, and I am not arguing that white extremist terrorism should not be recognised as a problem.
Oh totally I get that Rev you are totally right and not in denial about either Muslim or white extremist terrorism, but a lot of folks are though. To the point that we haven’t got supports in place to assist radicalised young white men.
Yes, I agree with you on that entirely.
ms spock said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
ms spock said:But that’s half the problem Rev, when it’s Muslims there’s no big outcry with demonising them as terrorists, with the white shooters in America they don’t even have the legislation to address home grown terrorism.
ASIO has been flagging for over a decade the rising threat from young white men in Australia. Conservative politicians failed to act at all except to fight and say it’s offensive to link at all to young right wing Christian men. That offends us as politicians. And now we are in a situation where there aren’t the resources or deradicalisation programmes for young white men as there are for young Muslim men. There aren’t off ramps there’s no community programmes for young white man.
And we don’t want to get the guns back because all their suicides didn’t translate into other suicides.
There’s so many simple things that can be done for these young white men if we could get some basic supports out there for them.
Pretending that they don’t exist is tremendously dangerous. And it might be way too late. The horse might have well and truly bolted. But it is a discussion worth engaging with.
On the contrary, when its Muslims there is a huge outcry when the terrorist actions are depicted as typical Muslim behaviour, as there should be.
No-one argues that Muslim terrorism should not be recognised as a problem, and I am not arguing that white extremist terrorism should not be recognised as a problem.
Oh totally I get that Rev you are totally right and not in denial about either Muslim or white extremist terrorism, but a lot of folks are though. To the point that we haven’t got supports in place to assist radicalised young white men.
Yes, I agree with you on that entirely.
The Rev Dodgson said:
ms spock said:
The Rev Dodgson said:On the contrary, when its Muslims there is a huge outcry when the terrorist actions are depicted as typical Muslim behaviour, as there should be.
No-one argues that Muslim terrorism should not be recognised as a problem, and I am not arguing that white extremist terrorism should not be recognised as a problem.
Oh totally I get that Rev you are totally right and not in denial about either Muslim or white extremist terrorism, but a lot of folks are though. To the point that we haven’t got supports in place to assist radicalised young white men.
Yes, I agree with you on that entirely.
The Rev Dodgson said:
ms spock said:
The Rev Dodgson said:On the contrary, when its Muslims there is a huge outcry when the terrorist actions are depicted as typical Muslim behaviour, as there should be.
No-one argues that Muslim terrorism should not be recognised as a problem, and I am not arguing that white extremist terrorism should not be recognised as a problem.
Oh totally I get that Rev you are totally right and not in denial about either Muslim or white extremist terrorism, but a lot of folks are though. To the point that we haven’t got supports in place to assist radicalised young white men.
Yes, I agree with you on that entirely.
I just wish Rev that I could be intervening at a much earlier time and prevent so much harm. ASIO commented that they can’t go in to schools so they are asking parents and teachers to keep an eye out for unusual behaviours. That doesn’t seem an effective way to go with it.
There’s two narratives surrounding terrorism or extremism. The first is the idea that “all terrorists are Muslim,” which sometimes, scarily morphs into “all Muslims are terrorists.” That doesn’t make life easy for some Australian Muslims that I know. The second narrative is that “white people are never terrorists.” As you point out Rev neither are true. I don’t want to upset people or cause controversy. I am interested though in discussing the nuances of this, and if this forum is not the place for this. I will accept that. I have been gone a long time. So if I have stumbled and offended then I sincerely didn’t mean to. I am just so happy to be hanging out with folks again.
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ms spock said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
ms spock said:Oh totally I get that Rev you are totally right and not in denial about either Muslim or white extremist terrorism, but a lot of folks are though. To the point that we haven’t got supports in place to assist radicalised young white men.
Yes, I agree with you on that entirely.
I just wish Rev that I could be intervening at a much earlier time and prevent so much harm. ASIO commented that they can’t go in to schools so they are asking parents and teachers to keep an eye out for unusual behaviours. That doesn’t seem an effective way to go with it.
There’s two narratives surrounding terrorism or extremism. The first is the idea that “all terrorists are Muslim,” which sometimes, scarily morphs into “all Muslims are terrorists.” That doesn’t make life easy for some Australian Muslims that I know. The second narrative is that “white people are never terrorists.” As you point out Rev neither are true. I don’t want to upset people or cause controversy. I am interested though in discussing the nuances of this, and if this forum is not the place for this. I will accept that. I have been gone a long time. So if I have stumbled and offended then I sincerely didn’t mean to. I am just so happy to be hanging out with folks again.
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I hope I didn’t come across as offended by anything you said. I totally agree that these are difficult issues which need to be discussed.
The Rev Dodgson said:
ms spock said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Yes, I agree with you on that entirely.
I just wish Rev that I could be intervening at a much earlier time and prevent so much harm. ASIO commented that they can’t go in to schools so they are asking parents and teachers to keep an eye out for unusual behaviours. That doesn’t seem an effective way to go with it.
There’s two narratives surrounding terrorism or extremism. The first is the idea that “all terrorists are Muslim,” which sometimes, scarily morphs into “all Muslims are terrorists.” That doesn’t make life easy for some Australian Muslims that I know. The second narrative is that “white people are never terrorists.” As you point out Rev neither are true. I don’t want to upset people or cause controversy. I am interested though in discussing the nuances of this, and if this forum is not the place for this. I will accept that. I have been gone a long time. So if I have stumbled and offended then I sincerely didn’t mean to. I am just so happy to be hanging out with folks again.
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I hope I didn’t come across as offended by anything you said. I totally agree that these are difficult issues which need to be discussed.
Cool Rev!
Just checking in we were on the same page.
ms spock said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
ms spock said:Oh totally I get that Rev you are totally right and not in denial about either Muslim or white extremist terrorism, but a lot of folks are though. To the point that we haven’t got supports in place to assist radicalised young white men.
Yes, I agree with you on that entirely.
I just wish Rev that I could be intervening at a much earlier time and prevent so much harm. ASIO commented that they can’t go in to schools so they are asking parents and teachers to keep an eye out for unusual behaviours. That doesn’t seem an effective way to go with it.
There’s two narratives surrounding terrorism or extremism. The first is the idea that “all terrorists are Muslim,” which sometimes, scarily morphs into “all Muslims are terrorists.” That doesn’t make life easy for some Australian Muslims that I know. The second narrative is that “white people are never terrorists.” As you point out Rev neither are true. I don’t want to upset people or cause controversy. I am interested though in discussing the nuances of this, and if this forum is not the place for this. I will accept that. I have been gone a long time. So if I have stumbled and offended then I sincerely didn’t mean to. I am just so happy to be hanging out with folks again.
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The mindset of government doesn’t help when we are the goods guys and they are the bad guys, when that’s far too simple and a lie.
All sorts of foreign interference over the years combined with nations destroyed because of past colonialism and we wonder why they are angry with us.
we could provide accommodation, education and jobs for potential ideological activists
Bubblecar said:
Oops, meant to post:Russia has strong connections with far right Western extremists:
….Dating back to 2004, David Duke characterized Russia as the “key to white survival,” and American white supremacist Richard Spencer recently identified Russia as the “sole white power in the world.” Both Jared Taylor—founder of the white supremacist outlet American Renaissance—and Matthew Heimbach—a Unite the Right organizer and leader of the now-defunct Traditionalist Workers Party—have met in person with ultranationalist Russian political leaders in 2015 and 2017, respectively.
For its part, the Russian government has exploited this interest. It has both turned a blind eye to far-right paramilitarism within its own borders and actively cultivated neo-Nazism in the West. These decisions align with its broader project to sow discord in Western democracies and influence transcontinental relations, despite its relatively weak military and economy. Russian President Vladimir Putin’s support for right-wing violence in the West constitutes an element in his broader destabilization campaign.
In the United States especially, white supremacist terrorists act upon an ideology that is deeply rooted in the country’s history of racist violence. The United States and its Western allies, therefore, must confront the issue of white supremacist terrorism at home and work towards a long overdue recalibration of counterterrorism priorities. But while the United States and its partners must confront this problem at home, they must also remember that hostile foreign powers have exploited homegrown racism for decades. Moreover, as Western counterterrorism efforts against white supremacist violence continue to ramp up (U.S. authorities, for example, have arrested seven members of the Base and a leader of the Unite the Right rally in recent weeks), extremists and aspiring terrorists may seek refuge in a more permissive environment, exacerbating the problem of Russian support.
….In 2014, the ultranationalist political organization Russian Imperial Movement (RIM) began training volunteers to fight alongside its paramilitary wing in eastern Ukraine, but the group has since expanded its operations to include global ambitions. According to the group’s spokesperson, RIM seeks to “continue to establish contacts with right-wing, traditionalist and conservative organizations around the world” in order “to share the experience of political information warfare and joint squad tactics training.” Most prominently, RIM has worked alongside the Russian political party Rodina (also known as the Motherland-National Patriotic Union) to convene the World National-Conservative Movement (WNCM), a conference organized against the principles of “liberalism, multiculturalism and tolerance.”
WNCM’s organizers, however, sought to move beyond ideological exchanges and establish “joint camps for military and athletic instruction.” Now, through its paramilitary arm Imperial Legion, RIM carries out weeklong military-style training sessions known as Partisan. Led by a former member of the Russian armed forces, this program teaches ‘cadets’ to operate firearms and move in tactical formation.
https://www.justsecurity.org/68420/confronting-russias-role-in-transnational-white-supremacist-extremism/
Yeah
dv said:
Bubblecar said:
Oops, meant to post:Russia has strong connections with far right Western extremists:
….Dating back to 2004, David Duke characterized Russia as the “key to white survival,” and American white supremacist Richard Spencer recently identified Russia as the “sole white power in the world.” Both Jared Taylor—founder of the white supremacist outlet American Renaissance—and Matthew Heimbach—a Unite the Right organizer and leader of the now-defunct Traditionalist Workers Party—have met in person with ultranationalist Russian political leaders in 2015 and 2017, respectively.
For its part, the Russian government has exploited this interest. It has both turned a blind eye to far-right paramilitarism within its own borders and actively cultivated neo-Nazism in the West. These decisions align with its broader project to sow discord in Western democracies and influence transcontinental relations, despite its relatively weak military and economy. Russian President Vladimir Putin’s support for right-wing violence in the West constitutes an element in his broader destabilization campaign.
In the United States especially, white supremacist terrorists act upon an ideology that is deeply rooted in the country’s history of racist violence. The United States and its Western allies, therefore, must confront the issue of white supremacist terrorism at home and work towards a long overdue recalibration of counterterrorism priorities. But while the United States and its partners must confront this problem at home, they must also remember that hostile foreign powers have exploited homegrown racism for decades. Moreover, as Western counterterrorism efforts against white supremacist violence continue to ramp up (U.S. authorities, for example, have arrested seven members of the Base and a leader of the Unite the Right rally in recent weeks), extremists and aspiring terrorists may seek refuge in a more permissive environment, exacerbating the problem of Russian support.
….In 2014, the ultranationalist political organization Russian Imperial Movement (RIM) began training volunteers to fight alongside its paramilitary wing in eastern Ukraine, but the group has since expanded its operations to include global ambitions. According to the group’s spokesperson, RIM seeks to “continue to establish contacts with right-wing, traditionalist and conservative organizations around the world” in order “to share the experience of political information warfare and joint squad tactics training.” Most prominently, RIM has worked alongside the Russian political party Rodina (also known as the Motherland-National Patriotic Union) to convene the World National-Conservative Movement (WNCM), a conference organized against the principles of “liberalism, multiculturalism and tolerance.”
WNCM’s organizers, however, sought to move beyond ideological exchanges and establish “joint camps for military and athletic instruction.” Now, through its paramilitary arm Imperial Legion, RIM carries out weeklong military-style training sessions known as Partisan. Led by a former member of the Russian armed forces, this program teaches ‘cadets’ to operate firearms and move in tactical formation.
https://www.justsecurity.org/68420/confronting-russias-role-in-transnational-white-supremacist-extremism/
Yeah
I’ll have one white Russian please.
roughbarked said:
dv said:
Bubblecar said:
Oops, meant to post:Russia has strong connections with far right Western extremists:
….Dating back to 2004, David Duke characterized Russia as the “key to white survival,” and American white supremacist Richard Spencer recently identified Russia as the “sole white power in the world.” Both Jared Taylor—founder of the white supremacist outlet American Renaissance—and Matthew Heimbach—a Unite the Right organizer and leader of the now-defunct Traditionalist Workers Party—have met in person with ultranationalist Russian political leaders in 2015 and 2017, respectively.
For its part, the Russian government has exploited this interest. It has both turned a blind eye to far-right paramilitarism within its own borders and actively cultivated neo-Nazism in the West. These decisions align with its broader project to sow discord in Western democracies and influence transcontinental relations, despite its relatively weak military and economy. Russian President Vladimir Putin’s support for right-wing violence in the West constitutes an element in his broader destabilization campaign.
In the United States especially, white supremacist terrorists act upon an ideology that is deeply rooted in the country’s history of racist violence. The United States and its Western allies, therefore, must confront the issue of white supremacist terrorism at home and work towards a long overdue recalibration of counterterrorism priorities. But while the United States and its partners must confront this problem at home, they must also remember that hostile foreign powers have exploited homegrown racism for decades. Moreover, as Western counterterrorism efforts against white supremacist violence continue to ramp up (U.S. authorities, for example, have arrested seven members of the Base and a leader of the Unite the Right rally in recent weeks), extremists and aspiring terrorists may seek refuge in a more permissive environment, exacerbating the problem of Russian support.
….In 2014, the ultranationalist political organization Russian Imperial Movement (RIM) began training volunteers to fight alongside its paramilitary wing in eastern Ukraine, but the group has since expanded its operations to include global ambitions. According to the group’s spokesperson, RIM seeks to “continue to establish contacts with right-wing, traditionalist and conservative organizations around the world” in order “to share the experience of political information warfare and joint squad tactics training.” Most prominently, RIM has worked alongside the Russian political party Rodina (also known as the Motherland-National Patriotic Union) to convene the World National-Conservative Movement (WNCM), a conference organized against the principles of “liberalism, multiculturalism and tolerance.”
WNCM’s organizers, however, sought to move beyond ideological exchanges and establish “joint camps for military and athletic instruction.” Now, through its paramilitary arm Imperial Legion, RIM carries out weeklong military-style training sessions known as Partisan. Led by a former member of the Russian armed forces, this program teaches ‘cadets’ to operate firearms and move in tactical formation.
https://www.justsecurity.org/68420/confronting-russias-role-in-transnational-white-supremacist-extremism/
Yeah
I’ll have one white Russian please.
You wonder how far they would go, give a dirty bomb to a terrorist group to use in a Western nation.
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:Yeah
I’ll have one white Russian please.
You wonder how far they would go, give a dirty bomb to a terrorist group to use in a Western nation.
It is a worry. I feel concerned about Urkraine.
ms spock said:
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:I’ll have one white Russian please.
You wonder how far they would go, give a dirty bomb to a terrorist group to use in a Western nation.
It is a worry. I feel concerned about Urkraine.
So do all of us. I really feel for all Ukranians. As the Beatles said, Those Ukranian girls knock me out.
ms spock said:
wookiemeister said:
ASIOBringing back radicalised ISIS brides and their kids back to Australia:
White men : bad
ASIO has gone insane. See yuri bezmenov.
Believe it or not many and more terror attacks are committed by “minority” groups.
ASIO has been pushing this wheelbarrow for years now – I don’t take anything they say seriously now.
I don’t know much about the Radicialised ISIS Brides but there can be wisdom in having folks where you can see what they are doing, and you can make sure they are not active. I did notice during Covid our government didn’t create enough quarantine facilities to bring back Australians from throughout the world and that scared me that we didn’t take care of our own citizens.
I am not sure waht you mean about “white men : bad”? Can you tell me about that?
It’s actually not a wheel barrow wookiemeister. It’s based on the investigations that they have been engaged in in the previous year. We need to be providing social supports and pathways to employment and education that is meaningful for these young white men. It would be good to have a range of off ramps from the radicalisation process, whihc is now done so skillfully via the Web.
This has some interesting points.
https://ourworldindata.org/terrorism
The poison as we know it started with the active measures programme of the KGB.
Sit down and watch yuri bezmenov from 1984, he seems to know all about it.
wookiemeister said:
ms spock said:
wookiemeister said:
ASIOBringing back radicalised ISIS brides and their kids back to Australia:
White men : bad
ASIO has gone insane. See yuri bezmenov.
Believe it or not many and more terror attacks are committed by “minority” groups.
ASIO has been pushing this wheelbarrow for years now – I don’t take anything they say seriously now.
I don’t know much about the Radicialised ISIS Brides but there can be wisdom in having folks where you can see what they are doing, and you can make sure they are not active. I did notice during Covid our government didn’t create enough quarantine facilities to bring back Australians from throughout the world and that scared me that we didn’t take care of our own citizens.
I am not sure waht you mean about “white men : bad”? Can you tell me about that?
It’s actually not a wheel barrow wookiemeister. It’s based on the investigations that they have been engaged in in the previous year. We need to be providing social supports and pathways to employment and education that is meaningful for these young white men. It would be good to have a range of off ramps from the radicalisation process, whihc is now done so skillfully via the Web.
This has some interesting points.
https://ourworldindata.org/terrorism
I don’t really worry about it. When I see the signs that a society is growing sick I just pull up stumps and leave. At the moment attacking white men is “good”. It’s been growing steadily over the decades. The clever ones just leave when things started going “off”. I see it as a Darwinian thing and it’s why the west ultimately has no future.The poison as we know it started with the active measures programme of the KGB.
Sit down and watch yuri bezmenov from 1984, he seems to know all about it.
Society certainly does seem growing literally and figuratively sick at this time. I must admit I am pretty overwhelmed by what is going on. I am avoiding so many people at the moment and have returned to the Holiday Forum which is like coming home to my family.
I do worry that the West has a poor future or even as you say no future, as we seem to get into all these arguments rather than coming up with some solutions.
I don’t know about yuri bezmenov but I have watched some interesting interviews with Masha Gessen. If you ever had a chance I would be interested to know what your perspectives are on her.
Bill Maher, who is an American comedian has engaged in a lot of discussion on being woke and attacking white men is “good”. As a comedian he has views that I don’t subscribe to but he does try to create discussion and dialogue with people who don’t think like the does.
The active measures programme of the KGB of which Putin is intimately connected to does seem to have a much bigger impact than I would have expected. Their troll farms/cyber division has had a huge impact on amplifying fears and animosity between many different communities.
I admire that you don’t worry about it. I really am not able to stop worrying about it a lot of the time. I feel concerned for folks, I feel protective and I was there was so much more that I could do.
The amount of poisionous stuff going around is most concerning to me. I just have to disconnect at times.
Does seem the papers spent a lot more time doing a psychoanalytical backstory for these alt-right terrorists than they do for other categories…
One could understand joining a group that actually did want freedom for whatever group of people it claims it supported but they are all about repression and enforcing strict laws .
susceptible minds
SCIENCE said:
susceptible minds
Yes, plus its easy to become disillusioned with the world as its only going to become harder to live in it when climate change really hits home.
ms spock said:
wookiemeister said:
ms spock said:I don’t know much about the Radicialised ISIS Brides but there can be wisdom in having folks where you can see what they are doing, and you can make sure they are not active. I did notice during Covid our government didn’t create enough quarantine facilities to bring back Australians from throughout the world and that scared me that we didn’t take care of our own citizens.
I am not sure waht you mean about “white men : bad”? Can you tell me about that?
It’s actually not a wheel barrow wookiemeister. It’s based on the investigations that they have been engaged in in the previous year. We need to be providing social supports and pathways to employment and education that is meaningful for these young white men. It would be good to have a range of off ramps from the radicalisation process, whihc is now done so skillfully via the Web.
This has some interesting points.
https://ourworldindata.org/terrorism
I don’t really worry about it. When I see the signs that a society is growing sick I just pull up stumps and leave. At the moment attacking white men is “good”. It’s been growing steadily over the decades. The clever ones just leave when things started going “off”. I see it as a Darwinian thing and it’s why the west ultimately has no future.The poison as we know it started with the active measures programme of the KGB.
Sit down and watch yuri bezmenov from 1984, he seems to know all about it.
Society certainly does seem growing literally and figuratively sick at this time. I must admit I am pretty overwhelmed by what is going on. I am avoiding so many people at the moment and have returned to the Holiday Forum which is like coming home to my family.
I do worry that the West has a poor future or even as you say no future, as we seem to get into all these arguments rather than coming up with some solutions.
I don’t know about yuri bezmenov but I have watched some interesting interviews with Masha Gessen. If you ever had a chance I would be interested to know what your perspectives are on her.
Bill Maher, who is an American comedian has engaged in a lot of discussion on being woke and attacking white men is “good”. As a comedian he has views that I don’t subscribe to but he does try to create discussion and dialogue with people who don’t think like the does.
The active measures programme of the KGB of which Putin is intimately connected to does seem to have a much bigger impact than I would have expected. Their troll farms/cyber division has had a huge impact on amplifying fears and animosity between many different communities.
I admire that you don’t worry about it. I really am not able to stop worrying about it a lot of the time. I feel concerned for folks, I feel protective and I was there was so much more that I could do.
The amount of poisionous stuff going around is most concerning to me. I just have to disconnect at times.
Putin would definitely know about the active measures programme of the KGB. When the soviet union collapsed the active measures programme was abandoned – it was a dead man’s handle – the damage being seen into the minds of the children of the universities marched straight into the government service. Every year brought a new batch of them even more radicalised and unreasoning. Smart people but ultimately stupid because of the brainwashing.
The yuri bezmenov lectures number TWO, each just over an hour, they outline the aims and outcomes of the active measures programme. Bezmenov more or less disappears after this. You don’t see anything more .
The Labor party wants 16 year olds to vote.
ASIO suffered because like every other government branch they were led by people radicalised in the universities.
Once you realise that the top echelons (and every level )are no longer functioning and completely lost , many simple concepts completely out of reach you’ll feel better.
Its a burning house. Just try to close the doors to slow the fire, get your own life in order.
The Rev Dodgson said:
mollwollfumble said:
ms spock said:<link> https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/asio-chief-flags-alarming-increase-in-children-lured-to-extremism/
The number of children attracted to extremist groups has increased dramatically and minors are now the focus of more than half of the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation’s highest priority investigations each week.
Yes.
Lgbtqia+ and Environmental activism particularly.
Are you a Roy Spencer fan?