It seems we don’t have a new thread for politics.
ScoMo goes up in front of the robodebt Royal Commission today. What do you reckon? Will his memory be poor too? I actually don’t expect people to remember meetings held in 2015, that is why meeting notes etc are made and annotated. And should be initialled as correct.
buffy said:
It seems we don’t have a new thread for politics.ScoMo goes up in front of the robodebt Royal Commission today. What do you reckon? Will his memory be poor too? I actually don’t expect people to remember meetings held in 2015, that is why meeting notes etc are made and annotated. And should be initialled as correct.
Their lack of recall is astonishing, for people who are charged with running ruining the country.
roughbarked said:
buffy said:
It seems we don’t have a new thread for politics.ScoMo goes up in front of the robodebt Royal Commission today. What do you reckon? Will his memory be poor too? I actually don’t expect people to remember meetings held in 2015, that is why meeting notes etc are made and annotated. And should be initialled as correct.
Their lack of recall is astonishing, for people who are charged with
runningruining the country.
No, it’s not astonishing to be unable to recall a meeting held 7 years ago. But if you annotated the notes, you have to assume you were there.
buffy said:
roughbarked said:
buffy said:
It seems we don’t have a new thread for politics.ScoMo goes up in front of the robodebt Royal Commission today. What do you reckon? Will his memory be poor too? I actually don’t expect people to remember meetings held in 2015, that is why meeting notes etc are made and annotated. And should be initialled as correct.
Their lack of recall is astonishing, for people who are charged with
runningruining the country.
No, it’s not astonishing to be unable to recall a meeting held 7 years ago. But if you annotated the notes, you have to assume you were there.
You’d think so.
buffy said:
It seems we don’t have a new thread for politics.ScoMo goes up in front of the robodebt Royal Commission today. What do you reckon? Will his memory be poor too? I actually don’t expect people to remember meetings held in 2015, that is why meeting notes etc are made and annotated. And should be initialled as correct.
what I find amusing at the moment s that the opposition are up in arms about the expected $1M cost to have MPs return to Canbreera to pass legislation.. meanwhile, $1B in compensation has been paid out to victims of Robodebt
diddly-squat said:
buffy said:
It seems we don’t have a new thread for politics.ScoMo goes up in front of the robodebt Royal Commission today. What do you reckon? Will his memory be poor too? I actually don’t expect people to remember meetings held in 2015, that is why meeting notes etc are made and annotated. And should be initialled as correct.
what I find amusing at the moment s that the opposition are up in arms about the expected $1M cost to have MPs return to Canbreera to pass legislation.. meanwhile, $1B in compensation has been paid out to victims of Robodebt
A fair bit of that money went to Gordon Legal. All I got from that 1.2 Billion payout was $78.
SCIENCE said:
It’s stunning!
ms spock said:
SCIENCE said:
It’s stunning!
But where did it come from?
The Rev Dodgson said:
ms spock said:
SCIENCE said:
It’s stunning!
But where did it come from?
This is
https://aiatsis.gov.au/explore/map-indigenous-australia
and
I used to know where it came from.
ms spock said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
ms spock said:It’s stunning!
But where did it come from?
This is
https://aiatsis.gov.au/explore/map-indigenous-australia
and
I used to know where it came from.
and here is one for Queensland.
ms spock said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
ms spock said:It’s stunning!
But where did it come from?
This is
https://aiatsis.gov.au/explore/map-indigenous-australia
and
I used to know where it came from.
ms spock said:
ms spock said:
The Rev Dodgson said:But where did it come from?
This is
https://aiatsis.gov.au/explore/map-indigenous-australia
and
I used to know where it came from.
and here is one for Queensland.
https://www.australiangeographic.com.au/travel/2022/11/australias-noahs-ark-maria-island/
This article gives an Image Credit to David Foster
ms spock said:
ms spock said:
The Rev Dodgson said:But where did it come from?
This is
https://aiatsis.gov.au/explore/map-indigenous-australia
and
I used to know where it came from.
and here is one for Queensland.
When in edit mode, see the first example under “links and images”
The Rev Dodgson said:
ms spock said:
ms spock said:This is
https://aiatsis.gov.au/explore/map-indigenous-australia
and
I used to know where it came from.
and here is one for Queensland.
When in edit mode, see the first example under “links and images”
This link is going to this site
https://www.slq.qld.gov.au/discover/aboriginal-and-torres-strait-islander-cultures-and-stories/languages/queensland/indigenous-languages-map
ms spock said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
ms spock said:and here is one for Queensland.
When in edit mode, see the first example under “links and images”
This link is going to this site
https://www.slq.qld.gov.au/discover/aboriginal-and-torres-strait-islander-cultures-and-stories/languages/queensland/indigenous-languages-map
That goes to “link not found”. My link above works.
Link to the royal commission live steam
https://robodebt.royalcommission.gov.au/
ScoMo talking now
diddly-squat said:
Link to the royal commission live steam
https://robodebt.royalcommission.gov.au/
ScoMo talking now
No thanks, something more entertaining for me.
Back to work.
diddly-squat said:
Link to the royal commission live steam
https://robodebt.royalcommission.gov.au/
ScoMo talking now
No thanks, something more entertaining for me.
Back to work.
The Rev Dodgson said:
ms spock said:
The Rev Dodgson said:When in edit mode, see the first example under “links and images”
This link is going to this site
https://www.slq.qld.gov.au/discover/aboriginal-and-torres-strait-islander-cultures-and-stories/languages/queensland/indigenous-languages-map
That goes to “link not found”. My link above works.
Thanks! I get it now Rev!
diddly-squat said:
Link to the royal commission live steam
https://robodebt.royalcommission.gov.au/
ScoMo talking now
Nice genuine and thoughtful offer, but no thanks.
ms spock said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
ms spock said:This link is going to this site
https://www.slq.qld.gov.au/discover/aboriginal-and-torres-strait-islander-cultures-and-stories/languages/queensland/indigenous-languages-map
That goes to “link not found”. My link above works.
Thanks! I get it now Rev!
:)
Commissioner Catherine Holmes has interjected and told the former prime minister to stay on track with his responses, and has acknowledged his political role.
“Morrison, can I get you to stick to answering the question a bit more?” Commissioner Holmes suggests.
“I do understand that you come from a background where rhetoric is important, but it is necessary to listen to the question and just answer it without extra detail, unnecessary detail, if you can.”
dv said:
Commissioner Catherine Holmes has interjected and told the former prime minister to stay on track with his responses, and has acknowledged his political role.“Morrison, can I get you to stick to answering the question a bit more?” Commissioner Holmes suggests.
“I do understand that you come from a background where rhetoric is important, but it is necessary to listen to the question and just answer it without extra detail, unnecessary detail, if you can.”
That’s a bit rude. Surely it should have been “Mr Morrison”.
dv said:
Commissioner Catherine Holmes has interjected and told the former prime minister to stay on track with his responses, and has acknowledged his political role.“Morrison, can I get you to stick to answering the question a bit more?” Commissioner Holmes suggests.
“I do understand that you come from a background where rhetoric is important, but it is necessary to listen to the question and just answer it without extra detail, unnecessary detail, if you can.”
Giggle.
sibeen said:
dv said:
Commissioner Catherine Holmes has interjected and told the former prime minister to stay on track with his responses, and has acknowledged his political role.“Morrison, can I get you to stick to answering the question a bit more?” Commissioner Holmes suggests.
“I do understand that you come from a background where rhetoric is important, but it is necessary to listen to the question and just answer it without extra detail, unnecessary detail, if you can.”
That’s a bit rude. Surely it should have been “Mr Morrison”.
Or his proper title, cunty mcshit
dv said:
sibeen said:
dv said:
Commissioner Catherine Holmes has interjected and told the former prime minister to stay on track with his responses, and has acknowledged his political role.“Morrison, can I get you to stick to answering the question a bit more?” Commissioner Holmes suggests.
“I do understand that you come from a background where rhetoric is important, but it is necessary to listen to the question and just answer it without extra detail, unnecessary detail, if you can.”
That’s a bit rude. Surely it should have been “Mr Morrison”.
Or his proper title, cunty mcshit
PMSL
ms spock said:
SCIENCE said:
It’s stunning!
Agree.
The Rev Dodgson said:
ms spock said:
SCIENCE said:
It’s stunning!
But where did it come from?
Dunno, but the names in our area look right. Even though they are so small as to be almost undecipherable on that. Even when opened in a new tab and magnified.
Michael V said:
dv said:
Commissioner Catherine Holmes has interjected and told the former prime minister to stay on track with his responses, and has acknowledged his political role.“Morrison, can I get you to stick to answering the question a bit more?” Commissioner Holmes suggests.
“I do understand that you come from a background where rhetoric is important, but it is necessary to listen to the question and just answer it without extra detail, unnecessary detail, if you can.”
Giggle.
:)
The Rev Dodgson said:
ms spock said:
The Rev Dodgson said:But where did it come from?
This is
https://aiatsis.gov.au/explore/map-indigenous-australia
and
I used to know where it came from.
Absolutely hate these pages where the map fucks off somewhere every time I move the mouse.
dv said:
sibeen said:
dv said:
Commissioner Catherine Holmes has interjected and told the former prime minister to stay on track with his responses, and has acknowledged his political role.“Morrison, can I get you to stick to answering the question a bit more?” Commissioner Holmes suggests.
“I do understand that you come from a background where rhetoric is important, but it is necessary to listen to the question and just answer it without extra detail, unnecessary detail, if you can.”
That’s a bit rude. Surely it should have been “Mr Morrison”.
Or his proper title, cunty mcshit
Mr cunty mcshit
buffy said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
ms spock said:It’s stunning!
But where did it come from?
Dunno, but the names in our area look right. Even though they are so small as to be almost undecipherable on that. Even when opened in a new tab and magnified.
The Rev Dodgson said:
ms spock said:
SCIENCE said:
It’s stunning!
But where did it come from?
Africa
ms spock said:
ms spock said:
ms spock said:This is
https://aiatsis.gov.au/explore/map-indigenous-australia
and
I used to know where it came from.
and here is one for Queensland.
https://www.australiangeographic.com.au/travel/2022/11/australias-noahs-ark-maria-island/
This article gives an Image Credit to David Foster
the picture we copypasted is from
https://twitter.com/blakandblack/status/1601902478567804929
we are not sure if it is the originator though
buffy said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
ms spock said:It’s stunning!
But where did it come from?
Dunno, but the names in our area look right. Even though they are so small as to be almost undecipherable on that. Even when opened in a new tab and magnified.
Aboriginal Languages of Australia – published in 1974 by Norman B Tindale, it took 50 years to complete, and obliterated the idea that Australia was Terra Nullius (‘No Mans Land’)
PermeateFree said:
buffy said:
The Rev Dodgson said:But where did it come from?
Dunno, but the names in our area look right. Even though they are so small as to be almost undecipherable on that. Even when opened in a new tab and magnified.
Aboriginal Languages of Australia – published in 1974 by Norman B Tindale, it took 50 years to complete, and obliterated the idea that Australia was Terra Nullius (‘No Mans Land’)
Wow! I had heard of Norman B Tindale but I hadn’t seen his work before. I met Aunty Joy Williams who knew him.
Tamb said:
buffy said:
The Rev Dodgson said:But where did it come from?
Dunno, but the names in our area look right. Even though they are so small as to be almost undecipherable on that. Even when opened in a new tab and magnified.
Looks about right for here.
It’s missing the main group here. I’m not sure if the 6 or 8 in the southwest are subgroups of Noongars, but most of the southwest is Noongar.
Kingy said:
Tamb said:
buffy said:Dunno, but the names in our area look right. Even though they are so small as to be almost undecipherable on that. Even when opened in a new tab and magnified.
Looks about right for here.It’s missing the main group here. I’m not sure if the 6 or 8 in the southwest are subgroups of Noongars, but most of the southwest is Noongar.
I thought Noongar was the general name, like Koori is over here, and Murri in NSW, rather than a particular language group.
buffy said:
Kingy said:
Tamb said:Looks about right for here.
It’s missing the main group here. I’m not sure if the 6 or 8 in the southwest are subgroups of Noongars, but most of the southwest is Noongar.
I thought Noongar was the general name, like Koori is over here, and Murri in NSW, rather than a particular language group.
Going by the map was was just posted, perhaps Noongar is the language name not the tribe/group name hence not marked on a tribe map.
PermeateFree said:
buffy said:
The Rev Dodgson said:But where did it come from?
Dunno, but the names in our area look right. Even though they are so small as to be almost undecipherable on that. Even when opened in a new tab and magnified.
Aboriginal Languages of Australia – published in 1974 by Norman B Tindale, it took 50 years to complete, and obliterated the idea that Australia was Terra Nullius (‘No Mans Land’)
Thanks for that.
Here is a link to a downloadable full-sized map.
https://i.redd.it/rn4tjkpofzy51.jpg
Kingy said:
Tamb said:
buffy said:Dunno, but the names in our area look right. Even though they are so small as to be almost undecipherable on that. Even when opened in a new tab and magnified.
Looks about right for here.It’s missing the main group here. I’m not sure if the 6 or 8 in the southwest are subgroups of Noongars, but most of the southwest is Noongar.
Yes they are.
buffy said:
Kingy said:
Tamb said:Looks about right for here.
It’s missing the main group here. I’m not sure if the 6 or 8 in the southwest are subgroups of Noongars, but most of the southwest is Noongar.
I thought Noongar was the general name, like Koori is over here, and Murri in NSW, rather than a particular language group.
It is the coastal Aboriginal community, spreading from north of Perth to Israelite Bay (east of Esperance).
PermeateFree said:
buffy said:
Kingy said:It’s missing the main group here. I’m not sure if the 6 or 8 in the southwest are subgroups of Noongars, but most of the southwest is Noongar.
I thought Noongar was the general name, like Koori is over here, and Murri in NSW, rather than a particular language group.
It is the coastal Aboriginal community, spreading from north of Perth to Israelite Bay (east of Esperance).
So several language groups are Noongar?
Victorian Legislative Council outcome. Broadly 22 Left, 17 Right, 1 DLP.
15 ALP
4 Green
2 Legalise Cannabis
1 Animal Justice
14 Liberals
1 One Nation
1 Shooters
1 Lib Dems
1 DLP
The big winners are the Greens, going from 1 to 4 in the VLC. Overall they have doubled their representation in parliament.
DLP here is Democratic Labour Party. Disgraced former Labor MP Adem Somyurek will stay in parliament as a DLP representative. Former Lib Bennie Finn also defected to DLP but did not win this election.
All 3 Derryn Hinch Justice Party representatives failed to be reelected.
dv said:
Victorian Legislative Council outcome. Broadly 22 Left, 17 Right, 1 DLP.15 ALP
4 Green
2 Legalise Cannabis
1 Animal Justice14 Liberals
1 One Nation
1 Shooters
1 Lib Dems1 DLP
The big winners are the Greens, going from 1 to 4 in the VLC. Overall they have doubled their representation in parliament.
DLP here is Democratic Labour Party. Disgraced former Labor MP Adem Somyurek will stay in parliament as a DLP representative. Former Lib Bennie Finn also defected to DLP but did not win this election.
All 3 Derryn Hinch Justice Party representatives failed to be reelected.
The latter would seem to be a good thing?
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
ms spock said:
It’s stunning!
But where did it come from?
Africa
LOL
buffy said:
PermeateFree said:
buffy said:I thought Noongar was the general name, like Koori is over here, and Murri in NSW, rather than a particular language group.
It is the coastal Aboriginal community, spreading from north of Perth to Israelite Bay (east of Esperance).
So several language groups are Noongar?
You had tribal groups that are detailed by Tindale and where someone from another group would need permission to visit, but they are all in the same nation and recognised as Noongar.
dv said:
Victorian Legislative Council outcome. Broadly 22 Left, 17 Right, 1 DLP.15 ALP
4 Green
2 Legalise Cannabis
1 Animal Justice14 Liberals
1 One Nation
1 Shooters
1 Lib Dems1 DLP
The big winners are the Greens, going from 1 to 4 in the VLC. Overall they have doubled their representation in parliament.
DLP here is Democratic Labour Party. Disgraced former Labor MP Adem Somyurek will stay in parliament as a DLP representative. Former Lib Bennie Finn also defected to DLP but did not win this election.
All 3 Derryn Hinch Justice Party representatives failed to be reelected.
Antonio Verde still steaming about group ticket voting
PermeateFree said:
buffy said:
Kingy said:It’s missing the main group here. I’m not sure if the 6 or 8 in the southwest are subgroups of Noongars, but most of the southwest is Noongar.
I thought Noongar was the general name, like Koori is over here, and Murri in NSW, rather than a particular language group.
It is the coastal Aboriginal community, spreading from north of Perth to Israelite Bay (east of Esperance).
The Noongar (/ˈnʊŋɑːr/, also spelt Noongah, Nyungar /ˈnjʊŋɑːr/, Nyoongar, Nyoongah, Nyungah, Nyugah, and Yunga /ˈjʊŋɑː/) are Aboriginal Australian peoples who live in the south-west corner of Western Australia, from Geraldton on the west coast to Esperance on the south coast. There are 14 different Noongar groups: Amangu, Ballardong, Yued, Kaneang, Koreng, Mineng, Njakinjaki, Njunga, Pibelmen, Pindjarup, Wadandi, Whadjuk, Wiilman and Wudjari. The Noongar people refer to their land as Noongar boodja.
The members of the collective Noongar cultural block descend from peoples who spoke several languages and dialects that were often mutually intelligible. What is now classed as the Noongar language is a member of the large Pama-Nyungan language family. Contemporary Noongar speak Australian Aboriginal English (a dialect of the English language) laced with Noongar words and occasionally inflected by its grammar. Most contemporary Noongar trace their ancestry to one or more of these groups. In the 2001 Australian census, 21,000 persons identified as indigenous in the south-west of Western Australia.
Noongar – Wikipedia
one of the things I learned at the conference was that during the acknowledgment of country the eastern states people would say “we acknowledged that sovereignty was not ceded” which I had never heard before but I will now add into my presentations, because I think it a good addition.
Arts said:
one of the things I learned at the conference was that during the acknowledgment of country the eastern states people would say “we acknowledged that sovereignty was not ceded” which I had never heard before but I will now add into my presentations, because I think it a good addition.
I’ve never heard that either, East, West or in between.
dv said:
dv said:
Victorian Legislative Council outcome. Broadly 22 Left, 17 Right, 1 DLP.15 ALP
4 Green
2 Legalise Cannabis
1 Animal Justice14 Liberals
1 One Nation
1 Shooters
1 Lib Dems1 DLP
The big winners are the Greens, going from 1 to 4 in the VLC. Overall they have doubled their representation in parliament.
DLP here is Democratic Labour Party. Disgraced former Labor MP Adem Somyurek will stay in parliament as a DLP representative. Former Lib Bennie Finn also defected to DLP but did not win this election.
All 3 Derryn Hinch Justice Party representatives failed to be reelected.
Antonio Verde still steaming about group ticket voting
I should say 12 Libs, 2 Nats
Final Victorian election results: how would upper house look using the Senate system?
https://theconversation.com/amp/final-victorian-election-results-how-would-upper-house-look-using-the-senate-system-196291
dv said:
ah yes we remember when alcohol magically turned people into bigots
dv said:
This case really does get weirder and weirder by the day.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/dec/14/queensland-shooting-stacey-train-left-first-husband-nathaniel-for-brother-gareth-wieambilla
sibeen said:
dv said:
This case really does get weirder and weirder by the day.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/dec/14/queensland-shooting-stacey-train-left-first-husband-nathaniel-for-brother-gareth-wieambilla
yeah… there are still too many holes, but the media is filling them with their usual bullshit and diversionary tactics
Arts said:
sibeen said:
dv said:
This case really does get weirder and weirder by the day.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/dec/14/queensland-shooting-stacey-train-left-first-husband-nathaniel-for-brother-gareth-wieambilla
yeah… there are still too many holes, but the media is filling them with their usual bullshit and diversionary tactics
How so?
Witty Rejoinder said:
Arts said:
sibeen said:This case really does get weirder and weirder by the day.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/dec/14/queensland-shooting-stacey-train-left-first-husband-nathaniel-for-brother-gareth-wieambilla
yeah… there are still too many holes, but the media is filling them with their usual bullshit and diversionary tactics
How so?
repetitive stories with little new information, adding in trails like “that she would be shocked if Stacey was in a relationship with two men at the same time, given the strength of her religious views.” because people are going to go … oh you know what I bet she was in a relationship with both of them… you don’t need much to begin to poison the minds of the general public. They killed three people in cold blood… what more do we need to know? the rest is meh filler material
Arts said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Arts said:yeah… there are still too many holes, but the media is filling them with their usual bullshit and diversionary tactics
How so?
repetitive stories with little new information, adding in trails like “that she would be shocked if Stacey was in a relationship with two men at the same time, given the strength of her religious views.” because people are going to go … oh you know what I bet she was in a relationship with both of them… you don’t need much to begin to poison the minds of the general public. They killed three people in cold blood… what more do we need to know? the rest is meh filler material
Ta.
Arts said:
sibeen said:
dv said:
This case really does get weirder and weirder by the day.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/dec/14/queensland-shooting-stacey-train-left-first-husband-nathaniel-for-brother-gareth-wieambilla
yeah… there are still too many holes, but the media is filling them with their usual bullshit and diversionary tactics
margaret said that the ABC was reporting the police shot the neighbour. I have seen no such story/ Perhaps there is a dark ABC,
Kev Bonham strafes the Courier Mail over their ridiculous analysis of recent polls:
https://kevinbonham.blogspot.com/2022/12/mid-term-queensland-polling-and.html
Several of the Murdoch tabloids seem far more interested in telling their right-wing readerbases what they think those readerbases want to hear, rather than reporting accurately. This actually isn’t doing the right any favours – as media diversifies the ability of these outlets to determine public opinion is waning. This is why the calls for a “Murdoch royal commission” are silly, but if there ever was one, a term of reference should be whether Murdoch tabloids are giving Labor an unfair advantage. The attempts by these outlets to create alternative political realities in which voters care about how Dan fell down the stairs or who Annastacia was seen near at the opera are sucking conservatives – even conservative politicians – into a Sky News style alternative political reality and detracting from the need for conservative parties to pay attention to things that are salient to voters.Meanwhile it is always disappointing to see media outlets publishing claims about past polling that are flat-out false. The Courier-Mail should be taking a lead from the Australian, which recently when provided with a final Victorian Newspoll showing a majority for the Andrews government, reported it straight. I do not think Lewis Carroll’s seven maids with seven mops sweeping for half a year could clean up the mess the Courier-Mail has made of reporting a quite unremakable poll result. That’s another one of these for the Courier-Mail I’m afraid.
sarahs mum said:
Arts said:
sibeen said:This case really does get weirder and weirder by the day.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/dec/14/queensland-shooting-stacey-train-left-first-husband-nathaniel-for-brother-gareth-wieambilla
yeah… there are still too many holes, but the media is filling them with their usual bullshit and diversionary tactics
margaret said that the ABC was reporting the police shot the neighbour. I have seen no such story/ Perhaps there is a dark ABC,
ABC filtered through the nuttersphere.
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
Arts said:
yeah… there are still too many holes, but the media is filling them with their usual bullshit and diversionary tactics
margaret said that the ABC was reporting the police shot the neighbour. I have seen no such story/ Perhaps there is a dark ABC,
ABC filtered through the nuttersphere.
SCIENCE said:
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
margaret said that the ABC was reporting the police shot the neighbour. I have seen no such story/ Perhaps there is a dark ABC,
ABC filtered through the nuttersphere.
That hostage in that incident was killed in the building when the police stormed it.
This neighbour was shot in the open before the specialist siege force arrived on the scene, according to reports.
Unfortunately I just watched a short video of Morrison in the Robodebt inquiry.
WTF does he not have a pair of multi-focal glasses to wear?
The final 2PP in Victoria was 55.0 – 45.0.
Given the 10% margin of victory it’s not all that surprising that the ALP got 56 seats. Some people are wondering why a 2.3% swing to the Coalition didn’t result in more seats but I think probably the best way to think about that is that the ALP got a surprisingly low number of seats in 2018 considering they got 57.3 – 42.7 in the 2PP.
Ian said:
Is that a real banner with someone taking the mickey
Ian said:
Ha!
This is the first time One Nation have had a representative in Victorian parliament.
dv said:
This is the first time One Nation have had a representative in Victorian parliament.
Let’s hope it’s also the last.
Going by Kev Bonham’s analysis, Victorian Socialists missed out on a Legislative Council seat by 0.3% ( in Western Metropolitan division), narrowly pipped by Legalise Cannabis.
I see the recalled parliament passed the bill unamended. I was listening to parliament in the car on the way home. All LibNat speakers had the same speech, slightly rearranged.
dv said:
Going by Kev Bonham’s analysis, Victorian Socialists missed out on a Legislative Council seat by 0.3% ( in Western Metropolitan division), narrowly pipped by Legalise Cannabis.
Taking hits from the bong whilst reading Karl Marx
dv said:
This is the first time One Nation have had a representative in Victorian parliament.
I was listening to Malcolm Roberts in Parliament this morning and you have my full sympathy if not condolences.
Scomo’s mate, mentor and former head of his church is also in the news:
Brian Houston comment led to father’s child abuse not being reported to police, court told
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-13/frank-houston-child-sex-abuse-brian-houston-court/101766194
Bubblecar said:
Scomo’s mate, mentor and former head of his church is also in the news:
Brian Houston comment led to father’s child abuse not being reported to police, court told
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-13/frank-houston-child-sex-abuse-brian-houston-court/101766194
so uh we guess uh that qanonism what we thought was bullshit was actually true and at the time the world really was run by the international cabal of paedophiles
PermeateFree said:
dv said:
This is the first time One Nation have had a representative in Victorian parliament.
I was listening to Malcolm Roberts in Parliament this morning and you have my full sympathy if not condolences.
Hey, I’m in the only mainland state that _doesn’t _ have ONP in parliament.
dv said:
PermeateFree said:
dv said:
This is the first time One Nation have had a representative in Victorian parliament.
I was listening to Malcolm Roberts in Parliament this morning and you have my full sympathy if not condolences.
Hey, I’m in the only mainland state that _doesn’t _ have ONP in parliament.
Lucky you and count your blessings.
PermeateFree said:
dv said:
PermeateFree said:
I was listening to Malcolm Roberts in Parliament this morning and you have my full sympathy if not condolences.
Hey, I’m in the only mainland state that _doesn’t _ have ONP in parliament.
Lucky you and count your blessings.
isn’t it because Labor there are the right wing party
dv said:
I pointed this out the other day. An ABC Breakfast reporter using the NAPLAN incident to tie in the homicidal terrorist label.
kii said:
dv said:
I pointed this out the other day. An ABC Breakfast reporter using the NAPLAN incident to tie in the homicidal terrorist label.
what of it, they really do consider state sanctioned education a form of terrorism
SCIENCE said:
kii said:
dv said:
I pointed this out the other day. An ABC Breakfast reporter using the NAPLAN incident to tie in the homicidal terrorist label.
what of it, they really do consider state sanctioned education a form of terrorism
Yes, just like the USA.
Opposition launches attack on government energy bill
Opposition launches attack on government energy bill
Ian said:
Opposition launches attack on government energy bill
Dutton effectively said: “Putting a cap on domestic coal and gas prices will cause energy bills to rise much faster than they would without a cap”.
kii said:
SCIENCE said:kii said:
I pointed this out the other day. An ABC Breakfast reporter using the NAPLAN incident to tie in the homicidal terrorist label.
what of it, they really do consider state sanctioned education a form of terrorism
Yes, just like the USA.
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Attorney-General Mark Dreyfus said the former government made dozens of politicised appointments to the AAT in its time in office, and that he would end the “cronyism”.
“By appointing 85 former Liberal MPs, failed Liberal candidates, former Liberal staffers and other close Liberal associates, without any merit-based selection process … the former government fatally compromised the AAT,” Mr Dreyfus said.
“Australians rightly expect honesty, integrity and accountability in government.”
SCIENCE said:
Attorney-General Mark Dreyfus said the former government made dozens of politicised appointments to the AAT in its time in office, and that he would end the “cronyism”.“By appointing 85 former Liberal MPs, failed Liberal candidates, former Liberal staffers and other close Liberal associates, without any merit-based selection process … the former government fatally compromised the AAT,” Mr Dreyfus said.
“Australians rightly expect honesty, integrity and accountability in government.”
Meanwhile there is branch stacking.
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
Attorney-General Mark Dreyfus said the former government made dozens of politicised appointments to the AAT in its time in office, and that he would end the “cronyism”.“By appointing 85 former Liberal MPs, failed Liberal candidates, former Liberal staffers and other close Liberal associates, without any merit-based selection process … the former government fatally compromised the AAT,” Mr Dreyfus said.
“Australians rightly expect honesty, integrity and accountability in government.”
Meanwhile there is branch stacking.
Shit eh
SCIENCE said:
“Australians rightly expect honesty, integrity and accountability in government.”
labor eh, always the dreamers.
ChrispenEvan said:
SCIENCE said:“Australians rightly expect honesty, integrity and accountability in government.”
labor eh, always the dreamers.
I think quite a few will be out on parole soon.
Paul Pisasale the former Ipswich Mayor has been released on parole.
The ABC ran an extensive article about Paul recently in which they managed to not mention his political affiliation, a remarkable achievement that could earn them a Walkley.
Peak Warming Man said:
Paul Pisasale the former Ipswich Mayor has been released on parole.
The ABC ran an extensive article about Paul recently in which they managed to not mention his political affiliation, a remarkable achievement that could earn them a Walkley.
Neither does his Wiki article AFAICT. You sure you’ve got your facts straight?
Witty Rejoinder said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Paul Pisasale the former Ipswich Mayor has been released on parole.
The ABC ran an extensive article about Paul recently in which they managed to not mention his political affiliation, a remarkable achievement that could earn them a Walkley.
Neither does his Wiki article AFAICT. You sure you’ve got your facts straight?
He was expelled from the Labor party in 2017.
albo has reversed scomo’s ban on not having citizenship ceremonies on australia day.
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Paul Pisasale the former Ipswich Mayor has been released on parole.
The ABC ran an extensive article about Paul recently in which they managed to not mention his political affiliation, a remarkable achievement that could earn them a Walkley.
Neither does his Wiki article AFAICT. You sure you’ve got your facts straight?
He was expelled from the Labor party in 2017.
You’ll have to get on to the wiki people.
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Neither does his Wiki article AFAICT. You sure you’ve got your facts straight?
He was expelled from the Labor party in 2017.
You’ll have to get on to the wiki people.
DV is a wikiman.
ChrispenEvan said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:He was expelled from the Labor party in 2017.
You’ll have to get on to the wiki people.
DV is a wikiman.
And lucky he hasn’t been burnt.
Ian said:
Is that Sharon Osborne
Cymek said:
Ian said:
Is that Sharon Osborne
Could be, you could ask Ozzy but he might not be home.
Ian said:
Hard to imagine what sort of wretch would seriously consider buying such a publication.
‘I went cross-eyed’: Australia’s former deputy PM taken to hospital after drinking entire bowl of kava
Michael McCormack paid a high price for downing, not sipping, the sakau during a Pacific tour, later stating: ‘I was trying to be respectful
SCIENCE said:
Attorney-General Mark Dreyfus said the former government made dozens of politicised appointments to the AAT in its time in office, and that he would end the “cronyism”.“By appointing 85 former Liberal MPs, failed Liberal candidates, former Liberal staffers and other close Liberal associates, without any merit-based selection process … the former government fatally compromised the AAT,” Mr Dreyfus said.
“Australians rightly expect honesty, integrity and accountability in government.”
Some of the rulings have been woefully and stunningly incompetent.
dv said:
‘I went cross-eyed’: Australia’s former deputy PM taken to hospital after drinking entire bowl of kava
Michael McCormack paid a high price for downing, not sipping, the sakau during a Pacific tour, later stating: ‘I was trying to be respectful
B.C. was into those drugs.
Is Dutton taking the piss, or is he really that stupid?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo2EYTx8vmM&ab_channel=GuardianAustralia
Dark Orange said:
Is Dutton taking the piss, or is he really that stupid?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo2EYTx8vmM&ab_channel=GuardianAustralia
Spiny Norman said:
Dark Orange said:Is Dutton taking the piss, or is he really that stupid?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo2EYTx8vmM&ab_channel=GuardianAustralia
“Mr Dutton, you will call me by my correct title – Madam Deputy Speaker”.
“I’m sorry Madam Deputy Speaker for not calling you by your correct title. But the fact is, Mr Speaker, that…”
I am gobsmacked that anybody of his level in politics can show such contempt for the system.
Dark Orange said:
Spiny Norman said:
Dark Orange said:Is Dutton taking the piss, or is he really that stupid?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo2EYTx8vmM&ab_channel=GuardianAustralia
“Mr Dutton, you will call me by my correct title – Madam Deputy Speaker”.
“I’m sorry Madam Deputy Speaker for not calling you by your correct title. But the fact is, Mr Speaker, that…”I am gobsmacked that anybody of his level in politics can show such contempt for the system.
So how is that different to literally every other time he opens his noise maker?
Spiny Norman said:
Dark Orange said:Is Dutton taking the piss, or is he really that stupid?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo2EYTx8vmM&ab_channel=GuardianAustralia
He’s playing a game around misogyny. I stopped the tape when he mentioned Rudd Gillard/
Dear oh dear.
Spiny Norman said:
Dark Orange said:
Spiny Norman said:
“Mr Dutton, you will call me by my correct title – Madam Deputy Speaker”.
“I’m sorry Madam Deputy Speaker for not calling you by your correct title. But the fact is, Mr Speaker, that…”I am gobsmacked that anybody of his level in politics can show such contempt for the system.
So how is that different to literally every other time he opens his noise maker?
worked for Borald Trunson didn’t it
Dark Orange said:
Spiny Norman said:
Dark Orange said:Is Dutton taking the piss, or is he really that stupid?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo2EYTx8vmM&ab_channel=GuardianAustralia
“Mr Dutton, you will call me by my correct title – Madam Deputy Speaker”.
“I’m sorry Madam Deputy Speaker for not calling you by your correct title. But the fact is, Mr Speaker, that…”I am gobsmacked that anybody of his level in politics can show such contempt for the system.
He is an evil bastard. He has made a lot of money in what seems to be an untoward manner.
https://theaimn.com/labor-to-fix-the-broken-carbon-credit-scheme-and-re-introduce-true-emissions-trading/
This Is How Supply And Demand Work
In a bid to stave off price controls on a tiny portion of domestic gas supply, gas companies are saying global investors will look elsewhere to source supplies. That, they claim, will result in gas shortages and even higher prices.
SCIENCE said:
This Is How Supply And Demand Work
In a bid to stave off price controls on a tiny portion of domestic gas supply, gas companies are saying global investors will look elsewhere to source supplies. That, they claim, will result in gas shortages and even higher prices.
They are card sharps. Watch their hands while they shuffle the deck.
https://australiainstitute.org.au/report/cronyism-in-appointments-to-the-aat/
Yeah, I know, The Australia Institute. Leftie bias no doubt.
Bogsnorkler said:
https://australiainstitute.org.au/report/cronyism-in-appointments-to-the-aat/Yeah, I know, The Australia Institute. Leftie bias no doubt.
communists never make political appointments
William Bowe of Pollbludger has restarted his Bludgertrack. He normally does wait a few months after an election to get sufficient data to publish.
Currently showing Federal Labor ahead 57-43 in the two party preferred.
Albanese appears to be having an extended honeymoon, with a net approval of +32%, while Dutton is on -10.6%.
Albanese is also about 34% ahead in the preferred PM game.
dv said:
William Bowe of Pollbludger has restarted his Bludgertrack. He normally does wait a few months after an election to get sufficient data to publish.Currently showing Federal Labor ahead 57-43 in the two party preferred.
Albanese appears to be having an extended honeymoon, with a net approval of +32%, while Dutton is on -10.6%.
Albanese is also about 34% ahead in the preferred PM game.
He’s clever enough to give Rudd a foreign appoinment to get him out of his hair.
https://theconversation.com/view-from-the-hill-rudd-is-highly-qualified-for-washington-but-might-find-the-diplomatic-corset-constricting-196877
LOL
“This is about protecting local character, supporting future growth of towns like Mudgee,” Mr Saunders said.
“Historically, this place has never had solar electric installations so to protect the local character, it should not have any into the future either¡”
SCIENCE said:
LOL
“This is about protecting local character, supporting future growth of towns like Mudgee,” Mr Saunders said.
“Historically, this place has never had solar electric installations so to protect the local character, it should not have any into the future either¡”
Historically (i.e. before the evolution of humans), Mudgee didn’t have pinheads like Mr Saunders, either, so it should get rid of him now. To protect the local character.
WA Premier Mark McGowan throws support behind a national firearms register in wake of QLD cop shootings
https://thewest.com.au/politics/wa-premier-mark-mcgowan-throws-support-behind-a-national-firearms-register-in-wake-of-qld-cop-shootings-c-9226616
I honestly thought there already was one
dv said:
They don’t belong my mob.
They were a gathering of riotous insurrectionists. That’s what they were.
dv said:
Rioters?
dv said:
Hybrid bizarro land territory combined with Orwellian Newspeak.
dv said:
A murder, perhaps?
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
A murder, perhaps?
The crows might gang up on you for that.
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
A murder, perhaps?
The crows might gang up on you for that.
From the Internet:
“t is interesting to note that the term murder of crows had been in existence for centuries referring to a large gathering of crows. The term was not used as a reference to a murder of humans.
It was only in the 19th century that the term gradually became associated to a group of crows or a flock of crows.”
I hope that’s sorted that out.
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:A murder, perhaps?
The crows might gang up on you for that.
From the Internet:
“t is interesting to note that the term murder of crows had been in existence for centuries referring to a large gathering of crows. The term was not used as a reference to a murder of humans.
It was only in the 19th century that the term gradually became associated to a group of crows or a flock of crows.”
I hope that’s sorted that out.
so all this bullshit about language is bullshit and it evolves and conveys meaning and other than that it’s just bullshit
dv said:
a rectum
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-22/acma-four-corners-sarah-ferguson-fox/101799722
Corruption Trying To Scrape Greenwashed Vote
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-23/nsw-new-greenhouse-emissions-target/101804218
Scott Morrison approved tens of billions in foreign takeover deals after secretly being appointed Treasurer last year, compromising Australia’s national interest.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tf_TJjuIGkY
sarahs mum said:
Scott Morrison approved tens of billions in foreign takeover deals after secretly being appointed Treasurer last year, compromising Australia’s national interest.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tf_TJjuIGkY
Scommochio..
sarahs mum said:
Scott Morrison approved tens of billions in foreign takeover deals after secretly being appointed Treasurer last year, compromising Australia’s national interest.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tf_TJjuIGkY
I’m just surprised that he hasn’t resigned yet, and gone off to live somewhere nice (Hawaii?) on the proceeds of his top-shelf PM pension (and a few Swiss bank accounts that some nice people opened on his behalf).
sarahs mum said:
sarahs mum said:
Scott Morrison approved tens of billions in foreign takeover deals after secretly being appointed Treasurer last year, compromising Australia’s national interest.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tf_TJjuIGkY
Scommochio..
https://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/conversations/niki-savva-bulldozed-scott-morrison/14112050
oh c’m‘on they were all sold to friendly and allied cuntries, it’s all good
sarahs mum said:
sarahs mum said:
Scott Morrison approved tens of billions in foreign takeover deals after secretly being appointed Treasurer last year, compromising Australia’s national interest.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tf_TJjuIGkY
Scommochio..
The responsible money managing government?
roughbarked said:
sarahs mum said:
sarahs mum said:
Scott Morrison approved tens of billions in foreign takeover deals after secretly being appointed Treasurer last year, compromising Australia’s national interest.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tf_TJjuIGkY
Scommochio..
The responsible money managing government?
they got the money, it’s what it paid for that’s the problem
This long covid is a shocker, so many officials can’t remember a damn thing about the entire time they worked on robodebt.
sarahs mum said:
Scott Morrison approved tens of billions in foreign takeover deals after secretly being appointed Treasurer last year, compromising Australia’s national interest.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tf_TJjuIGkY
Noooooooooooooooooooo
Why isn’t this in the MSM?
dv said:
This long covid is a shocker, so many officials can’t remember a damn thing about the entire time they worked on robodebt.
It shows why it is so important to prevent transmission.
ms spock said:
dv said:
This long covid is a shocker, so many officials can’t remember a damn thing about the entire time they worked on robodebt.
It shows why it is so important to prevent transmission.
Transmission of conservative ideas about welfare, yes
now
Nationals leader David Littleproud last month said the party would not support a constitutionally enshrined Voice to Parliament because “we don’t believe this will genuinely close the gap”.
why would you make any move to improve things at all, a gesture of readiness to act further for example, if it doesn’t completely and absolutely resolve the problem, all problems, every single damn problem in the universe
oh did someone say reed hominid, no but they did say that was their position
Nationals MP Andrew Gee (member for Calare) has quit the party, over the party’s opposition to the indigenous Voice in parliament.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-23/andrew-gee-resigns-national-party-indigenous-voice/101804776
Has Anthony Albanese been naughty or nice this year?
First Dog on the Moon
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/dec/23/has-anthony-albanese-been-naughty-or-nice-this-year
dv said:
so Labor voters are sheeple
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
so Labor voters are sheeple
Labor voters are just people who want to do the maximum to try to keep those L/NP bastards out of government.
And, they know the wisdom of reading the instructions.
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:dv said:
so Labor voters are sheeple
Labor voters are just people who want to do the maximum to try to keep those L/NP bastards out of government.
And, they know the wisdom of reading the instructions.
This.
I wonder who decided on those outfits.
——
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/dec/24/liberals-hit-back-at-election-review-whitewash-that-attempts-to-blame-incumbents-for-losing-seats
fuck immigrants
oh wait can’t possibly be the locals, and those immigrants we should be racist against actually don’t live in privileged places like this, they live in the dirty west
SCIENCE said:
fuck immigrants
oh wait can’t possibly be the locals, and those immigrants we should be racist against actually don’t live in privileged places like this, they live in the dirty west
Probably Japanese backpackers.
sibeen said:
SCIENCE said:
fuck immigrants
oh wait can’t possibly be the locals, and those immigrants we should be racist against actually don’t live in privileged places like this, they live in the dirty west
Probably Japanese backpackers.
SCIENCE said:
fuck immigrants
oh wait can’t possibly be the locals, and those immigrants we should be racist against actually don’t live in privileged places like this, they live in the dirty west
The red plastic cups are standard at parties in the USA, are they available in Australia?
kii said:
SCIENCE said:fuck immigrants
oh wait can’t possibly be the locals, and those immigrants we should be racist against actually don’t live in privileged places like this, they live in the dirty west
The red plastic cups are standard at parties in the USA, are they available in Australia?
Yes, some brands call them ‘college cups’ in the usual supermarkets.
poikilotherm said:
kii said:
SCIENCE said:fuck immigrants
oh wait can’t possibly be the locals, and those immigrants we should be racist against actually don’t live in privileged places like this, they live in the dirty west
The red plastic cups are standard at parties in the USA, are they available in Australia?
Yes, some brands call them ‘college cups’ in the usual supermarkets.
No doubt you’ll be familiar with the reference in Pete and Bas’s timeless classic, Mr Worldwide.
Kevin Rudd, Australia’s new U.S. envoy, will alter China playbook
Sinologist seeks to ‘engage and hedge’ against ‘ideological man’ Xi
JJ ROSE, Contributing writer
December 27, 2022 11:36 JST
BRISBANE, Australia — The appointment of Kevin Rudd as Canberra’s next ambassador to the U.S. surprised few in Australia.
The former two-time prime minister has maintained a public profile in both countries and has cultivated a profile as an analyst and commentator to be reckoned with, especially on China and its president, Xi Jinping.
His move to the Australian ambassador’s residence will likely have a telling influence on the wintry relationship between Washington and Beijing, impacting not only Australia, but the Indo-Pacific region as a whole.
The Albanese Labor government has been keen to present an open hand to regional partners since its election in May, and Foreign Minister Penny Wong has been making the rounds of regional capitals. But the specter of China looms over every handshake, and Rudd’s move to Washington can be seen as a means of addressing Beijing’s influence.
Rudd, a recognized Sinologist and fluent Mandarin speaker, has most recently been president and chief executive of the New York-based Asia Society. He recently authored a well-received book on China’s international agendas.
With Rudd’s appointment, the Australian government looks to have decided the three-way relationship between Washington, Beijing and Canberra is in need of a deeper, more informed direction.
Rudd takes up his position early in 2023, replacing Ambassador Arthur Sinodinos, who has been in the post since 2020.
The scenario of Beijing invading Taiwan — drawing in the U.S. and its allies — has dominated regional and global security plans in recent years. Rudd’s latest book focuses on this possibility, an outcome he sees as more tenable in the 2030s than this decade.
The possibility of war compounds numerous other issues circling the three powers. These include general concerns, such as climate change, human rights, cost of living and inflation, post-Covid trade recovery, and more specific policy areas, such as technology security, the increased nuclearization of the region and the role of groupings such as the Quad, with the U.S., Japan and India, and AUKUS, a defense pact with the U.S. and U.K.
Beijing is meanwhile facing a threat to its political capital following widespread protests on its zero-COVID policy, and as mainland economic growth continues to slow.
Rudd’s broad assessment of the situation is founded on what he has called “the return of ideological man” under Xi Jinping.
In an Asia Society paper published in October responding to Xi’s work report to the 20th Party Congress, Rudd wrote: “Xi’s report makes abundantly clear the delineation between this ‘new era’ of ideology, statism, foreign policy assertiveness and national security vigilance — and the rolling political and policy pragmatism of the Deng Xiaoping era which preceded it.”
This shift is characterized by a three-way move by Xi’s China, he said, to the “Leninist left” on political strategy, to the “Marxist left” on economic policy and to the “nationalist right” in broad domestic terms.
These are radical changes, Rudd argued. China under Xi is prepared to overturn long-established party conventions to realize ambitions for himself, as paramount leader, and for China, as a pre-eminent global power. Canberra’s China playbook will need to adjust accordingly.
Rudd is critical of the approach of the previous Australian government of Prime Minister Scott Morrison, which took a hard, poll-driven line on China. That elicited a harsh response from Beijing, which quickly threw up significant trade walls in protest. This iteration of Beijing’s wide-reaching “wolf warrior” strategy, argued Rudd at a recent forum on China, represents a “radical miscall of Australian psychology.”
The coming period, argues the incoming ambassador, presents an opportunity to fix past mistakes and to recalibrate U.S.-China relations, in the interests of all in the region.
For Australia, the U.S. and their allies, this should be set in a policy framework Rudd calls “engagement and hedge.” He sees this as a kind of guarded trust, whereby expressions and actions of friendship are contextualized by a military presence and solid strategic alliances.
Unlike Morrison’s Liberal party, the Australian left — dominated by Albanese’s Labor party — has traditionally been more sympathetic to communist China, ideologically if not always in policy outcomes. Party icon Gough Whitlam, while in opposition, controversially recognized Mao Zedong as leader of communist China in 1971 and established full diplomatic ties with Beijing when he became Australian Prime Minister in 1972.
Most recently, Wong decided to visit Beijing to commemorate 50 years since that momentous event in Australia-China ties. Seemingly taking the line that not going would be more of a major statement than going, her visit was relatively banal in the end, at least in public.
It is surely no coincidence Rudd’s appointment comes soon after that visit, as the new government seeks to put its own stamp on relations with Xi’s China.
There has been no official reaction from either Washington or Beijing on Rudd’s new job. However, some in Australia, including those in Rudd’s own party, are wary of the possibility of a “second foreign minister” — a position Rudd held under Julia Gillard — in Washington.
Rudd was keen to note that he will be complying in full with formal protocols and procedures.
Politics aside, Rudd’s voice may give Australia not only more clout but more credibility in the face of China’s strident regional policies.
https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/Kevin-Rudd-Australia-s-new-U.S.-envoy-will-alter-China-playbook?
Top 40 tax dodgers 2022!
The West Report.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXMKwzfZSIQ
He’s right about abolishing the states though.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-30/is-the-terrorism-threat-over-in-australia/101814878
disturbing setback in counterterrorism in Australia and south-east Asia. It was, in large part, a product of an unwise, and unwarranted, military intervention in Iraq a decade earlier. This toppled the regime of Saddam Hussein and opened the door to insurgent forces, including al-Qaeda in Iraq, which later became Islamic State in Iraq, and then
communist
SCIENCE said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-30/is-the-terrorism-threat-over-in-australia/101814878
disturbing setback in counterterrorism in Australia and south-east Asia. It was, in large part, a product of an unwise, and unwarranted, military intervention in Iraq a decade earlier. This toppled the regime of Saddam Hussein and opened the door to insurgent forces, including al-Qaeda in Iraq, which later became Islamic State in Iraq, and then
communist
The statement is factual though.
Cheesus, this is a disaster.
The NSW government, the feds, the Caymans, and Australia’s worst privatisation unveiled.
Forking out $1.2bn to build a hospital then flogging it for zero must surely make the NSW government the most hopeless dealmaker in Australian history. Letting the buyers flog it – along with another 41 hospitals to the Cayman Islands – puts the federal government in a nearby league. Michael West reports.
In the face of utter dismay from those who find it hard to believe that the NSW government leased Sydney’s Northern Beaches Hospital for zero, we publish today the Land Titles searches which prove it.
Suave corporate types having their way with unwitting bureaucrats and politicians is nothing new. Yet, this is quite possibly the worst deal in the history of Australian politics, certainly the most bizarre transaction this reporter has seen in a a lifetime covering business, politics and privatisations.
Australia’s answer to Donald Trump
Australia is better than this
3 m ·
Cookers travelling to Canberra for the annual cookerfest have been advised by their leaders to travel without registration plates on their cars.
Because cookerlaw says registration, licences etc are illegal something something sovereign blah blah not a legal government…..🐨
https://twitter.com/kenberhan/status/1610969783016763392
sarahs mum said:
Australia is better than this
3 m ·
Cookers travelling to Canberra for the annual cookerfest have been advised by their leaders to travel without registration plates on their cars.
Because cookerlaw says registration, licences etc are illegal something something sovereign blah blah not a legal government…..🐨https://twitter.com/kenberhan/status/1610969783016763392
Cookers?
dv said:
Australia’s answer to Donald Trump
Seems to be the only picture of him online:
roughbarked said:
sarahs mum said:
Australia is better than this
3 m ·
Cookers travelling to Canberra for the annual cookerfest have been advised by their leaders to travel without registration plates on their cars.
Because cookerlaw says registration, licences etc are illegal something something sovereign blah blah not a legal government…..🐨https://twitter.com/kenberhan/status/1610969783016763392
Cookers?
Anti-vax morans etc.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Australia’s answer to Donald Trump
Seems to be the only picture of him online:
Seems to be simultaneously channeling Barry Humphries and Philip Adams.
Bubblecar said:
roughbarked said:
sarahs mum said:
Australia is better than this
3 m ·
Cookers travelling to Canberra for the annual cookerfest have been advised by their leaders to travel without registration plates on their cars.
Because cookerlaw says registration, licences etc are illegal something something sovereign blah blah not a legal government…..🐨https://twitter.com/kenberhan/status/1610969783016763392
Cookers?
Anti-vax morans etc.
So, story cooker uppers?
captain_spalding said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Australia’s answer to Donald Trump
Seems to be the only picture of him online:
Seems to be simultaneously channeling Barry Humphries and Philip Adams.
But with more duelling scars.
captain_spalding said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Australia’s answer to Donald Trump
Seems to be the only picture of him online:
Seems to be simultaneously channeling Barry Humphries and Philip Adams.
So not at all pompous then.
sarahs mum said:
Australia is better than this
3 m ·
Cookers travelling to Canberra for the annual cookerfest have been advised by their leaders to travel without registration plates on their cars.
Because cookerlaw says registration, licences etc are illegal something something sovereign blah blah not a legal government…..🐨https://twitter.com/kenberhan/status/1610969783016763392
Idiots!
What are cookerfest and cookerlaw?
sarahs mum said:
Australia is better than this
3 m ·
Cookers travelling to Canberra for the annual cookerfest have been advised by their leaders to travel without registration plates on their cars.
Because cookerlaw says registration, licences etc are illegal something something sovereign blah blah not a legal government…..🐨https://twitter.com/kenberhan/status/1610969783016763392
Has that ‘sovereign citizen’ bullshit ever worked for anyone at any time, anywhere?
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:
Australia is better than this
3 m ·
Cookers travelling to Canberra for the annual cookerfest have been advised by their leaders to travel without registration plates on their cars.
Because cookerlaw says registration, licences etc are illegal something something sovereign blah blah not a legal government…..🐨https://twitter.com/kenberhan/status/1610969783016763392
Has that ‘sovereign citizen’ bullshit ever worked for anyone at any time, anywhere?
Got Malcolm Roberts into the Senate
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:
Australia is better than this
3 m ·
Cookers travelling to Canberra for the annual cookerfest have been advised by their leaders to travel without registration plates on their cars.
Because cookerlaw says registration, licences etc are illegal something something sovereign blah blah not a legal government…..🐨https://twitter.com/kenberhan/status/1610969783016763392
Has that ‘sovereign citizen’ bullshit ever worked for anyone at any time, anywhere?
Our body is our temple.
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:
Australia is better than this
3 m ·
Cookers travelling to Canberra for the annual cookerfest have been advised by their leaders to travel without registration plates on their cars.
Because cookerlaw says registration, licences etc are illegal something something sovereign blah blah not a legal government…..🐨https://twitter.com/kenberhan/status/1610969783016763392
Has that ‘sovereign citizen’ bullshit ever worked for anyone at any time, anywhere?
Our body is our temple.
They’e doing it for the children!
dv said:
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:
Australia is better than this
3 m ·
Cookers travelling to Canberra for the annual cookerfest have been advised by their leaders to travel without registration plates on their cars.
Because cookerlaw says registration, licences etc are illegal something something sovereign blah blah not a legal government…..🐨https://twitter.com/kenberhan/status/1610969783016763392
Has that ‘sovereign citizen’ bullshit ever worked for anyone at any time, anywhere?
Got Malcolm Roberts into the Senate
‘The newly elected One Nation senator Malcolm Roberts has denied he is a “sovereign citizen” in response to revelations he wrote Julia Gillard a letter demanding to be exempted from the carbon tax.’
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/aug/07/one-nations-malcolm-roberts-denies-being-sovereign-citizen-and-urges-change-to-race-law
I believe that i’ve previously mentioned here a bloke in the western parts of Sydney who, in the 1980s, wrote to the then Sydney Water Board declaring that he had seceded his property from Australia, and was thus under no obligation to pay the Board’s charges for its services.
The Board’s lawyer wrote back to him, thanking him for his notice of the secession, and advising that the Board’s workers would be around as soon as possible to disconnect water and sewerage services to the property (and any applicable drainage services) as the legislation under which the Board operated made no provision for it to supply services to properties outside its area of operations, and an entity which was not part of Australia clearly fell outside that area.
captain_spalding said:
I believe that i’ve previously mentioned here a bloke in the western parts of Sydney who, in the 1980s, wrote to the then Sydney Water Board declaring that he had seceded his property from Australia, and was thus under no obligation to pay the Board’s charges for its services.The Board’s lawyer wrote back to him, thanking him for his notice of the secession, and advising that the Board’s workers would be around as soon as possible to disconnect water and sewerage services to the property (and any applicable drainage services) as the legislation under which the Board operated made no provision for it to supply services to properties outside its area of operations, and an entity which was not part of Australia clearly fell outside that area.
captain_spalding said:
I believe that i’ve previously mentioned here a bloke in the western parts of Sydney who, in the 1980s, wrote to the then Sydney Water Board declaring that he had seceded his property from Australia, and was thus under no obligation to pay the Board’s charges for its services.The Board’s lawyer wrote back to him, thanking him for his notice of the secession, and advising that the Board’s workers would be around as soon as possible to disconnect water and sewerage services to the property (and any applicable drainage services) as the legislation under which the Board operated made no provision for it to supply services to properties outside its area of operations, and an entity which was not part of Australia clearly fell outside that area.
LOLOL
Would have been the MWS&DB then:
Metropolitan Water Sewerage and Drainage Board (1925 – 1987)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_Water#Name_changes
AussieDJ said:
captain_spalding said:
I believe that i’ve previously mentioned here a bloke in the western parts of Sydney who, in the 1980s, wrote to the then Sydney Water Board declaring that he had seceded his property from Australia, and was thus under no obligation to pay the Board’s charges for its services.The Board’s lawyer wrote back to him, thanking him for his notice of the secession, and advising that the Board’s workers would be around as soon as possible to disconnect water and sewerage services to the property (and any applicable drainage services) as the legislation under which the Board operated made no provision for it to supply services to properties outside its area of operations, and an entity which was not part of Australia clearly fell outside that area.
What was the upshot?
IIRC, he decided that, in the interest of amicable international relations, he would pay the charges.
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:
Australia is better than this
3 m ·
Cookers travelling to Canberra for the annual cookerfest have been advised by their leaders to travel without registration plates on their cars.
Because cookerlaw says registration, licences etc are illegal something something sovereign blah blah not a legal government…..🐨https://twitter.com/kenberhan/status/1610969783016763392
Idiots!
What are cookerfest and cookerlaw?
cookers are anti-vax mainly. cooked as in drugged out.
urban dict
Australian slang for an anti-vaxxer. They are usually against mask mandates, lockdowns and state/international border closures. Many believe in outlandish conspiracy theories.
Can often be seen posting misinformation on Facebook, telling people to “do your own research” and protesting in the streets against “tyranny” and for freedumb. Often votes for One Nation or United Australia Party, but not always.
Comes from “cooked” which is a more polite version of “fucked”
Bogsnorkler said:
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:
Australia is better than this
3 m ·
Cookers travelling to Canberra for the annual cookerfest have been advised by their leaders to travel without registration plates on their cars.
Because cookerlaw says registration, licences etc are illegal something something sovereign blah blah not a legal government…..🐨https://twitter.com/kenberhan/status/1610969783016763392
Idiots!
What are cookerfest and cookerlaw?
cookers are anti-vax mainly. cooked as in drugged out.
urban dict
Australian slang for an anti-vaxxer. They are usually against mask mandates, lockdowns and state/international border closures. Many believe in outlandish conspiracy theories.
Can often be seen posting misinformation on Facebook, telling people to “do your own research” and protesting in the streets against “tyranny” and for freedumb. Often votes for One Nation or United Australia Party, but not always.
Comes from “cooked” which is a more polite version of “fucked”
Thanks.
and yet they still win seats
SCIENCE said:
and yet they still win seats
(shrugs) Not many.
dv said:
Australia’s answer to Donald Trump
Is there some safe place like a sandbox in a computer where we could just go “Oh, yeah, sorry, you are quite correct, and here are the reigns to power, and you are also speaker and president. Please clean up the mess.” and then just watch the unfolding crapfest with some popcorn?
SCIENCE said:
and yet they still win seats
That’s because the people who vote for them as similarly insulated from reality by the same media.
They’re told by the media that the woes of society are this and that, and that only the values, policies, and actions of the Liberal party can remedy those problems. And that any propositions by Labor, or any other party, will only make things worse. Or see them murdered in their beds, or (even worse) devalue their houses.
As all this reinforces their already-cemented ideas, they seek no other explanation or salvation, and vote accordingly.
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:and yet they still win seats
That’s because the people who vote for them as similarly insulated from reality by the same media.
They’re told by the media that the woes of society are this and that, and that only the values, policies, and actions of the Liberal party can remedy those problems. And that any propositions by Labor, or any other party, will only make things worse. Or see them murdered in their beds, or (even worse) devalue their houses.
As all this reinforces their already-cemented ideas, they seek no other explanation or salvation, and vote accordingly.
This.
It’s nice to know Australia has its own conservative intellectuals
dv said:
It’s nice to know Australia has its own conservative intellectuals
‘Hard work, critical thinking & open mind don’t count any more.’
Tell me, Craig, when did you ever employ any of those things yourself?
dv said:
It’s nice to know Australia has its own conservative intellectuals
Yeah, we have a way to go to reach USA status, but we’re working on it.
What does the symbol thing to the right of “Climate Change &” mean?
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
It’s nice to know Australia has its own conservative intellectuals
Yeah, we have a way to go to reach USA status, but we’re working on it.
What does the symbol thing to the right of “Climate Change &” mean?
A hypodermic needle, presumably a reference to vaccination?
Which is the latest wacky virtue singalling fad.
dv said:
It’s nice to know Australia has its own conservative intellectuals
This is not my working definition of good person. Taking and interest in politics and voting is well down on the list of things to being a good person. Not even in my top 20.
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
It’s nice to know Australia has its own conservative intellectuals
Yeah, we have a way to go to reach USA status, but we’re working on it.
What does the symbol thing to the right of “Climate Change &” mean?
A hypodermic needle, presumably a reference to vaccination?
Which is the latest wacky virtue singalling fad.
Most of Craig’s fans have trouble with big words like ‘vaccination’, so pictures are always a help for them.
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
It’s nice to know Australia has its own conservative intellectuals
Yeah, we have a way to go to reach USA status, but we’re working on it.
What does the symbol thing to the right of “Climate Change &” mean?
A hypodermic needle, presumably a reference to vaccination?
Which is the latest wacky virtue singalling fad.
Now why didn’t I think of that :)
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Yeah, we have a way to go to reach USA status, but we’re working on it.
What does the symbol thing to the right of “Climate Change &” mean?
A hypodermic needle, presumably a reference to vaccination?
Which is the latest wacky virtue singalling fad.
Now why didn’t I think of that :)
Craig does have one thing going for him though.
No chance of his brains falling out of his excessively open mind, because he ain’t got none.
dv said:
It’s nice to know Australia has its own conservative intellectuals
Whom think their own shit don’t stink.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
It’s nice to know Australia has its own conservative intellectuals
Yeah, we have a way to go to reach USA status, but we’re working on it.
What does the symbol thing to the right of “Climate Change &” mean?
Pyramid scheme?
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
It’s nice to know Australia has its own conservative intellectuals
Yeah, we have a way to go to reach USA status, but we’re working on it.
What does the symbol thing to the right of “Climate Change &” mean?
A hypodermic needle, presumably a reference to vaccination?
Which is the latest wacky virtue singalling fad.
Oo. I missed the hype-o I was looking at the pile of poop they keep adding to show their words in pictures.
party_pants said:
dv said:
It’s nice to know Australia has its own conservative intellectuals
This is not my working definition of good person. Taking and interest in politics and voting is well down on the list of things to being a good person. Not even in my top 20.
✅
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:
dv said:
It’s nice to know Australia has its own conservative intellectuals
This is not my working definition of good person. Taking and interest in politics and voting is well down on the list of things to being a good person. Not even in my top 20.
✅
There’s something to be said of civic engagement I think.
Witty Rejoinder said:
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:This is not my working definition of good person. Taking and interest in politics and voting is well down on the list of things to being a good person. Not even in my top 20.
✅
There’s something to be said of civic engagement I think.
If a lot of people don’t take at least some interest in politics, then the politicians will do just as they please, flout and rules, laws or regulations whenever they want, and steal everything and sell everything.
Why?
Because people aren’t interested in what they do, so no-one’s watching.
captain_spalding said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
roughbarked said:✅
There’s something to be said of civic engagement I think.
If a lot of people don’t take at least some interest in politics, then the politicians will do just as they please, flout and rules, laws or regulations whenever they want, and steal everything and sell everything.
Why?
Because people aren’t interested in what they do, so no-one’s watching.
20th on the list is still being watched.
roughbarked said:
20th on the list is still being watched.
Yes, but it gives them 19 possibilities that the observers will be distracted from their shenanigans before any attention is given to them.
maybe instead of political governance we can have expert governance and oh wait
that can’t happen, STEMocracy is communism
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:20th on the list is still being watched.
Yes, but it gives them 19 possibilities that the observers will be distracted from their shenanigans before any attention is given to them.
And for sure the pollies will be keeping the focus on the 19.
captain_spalding said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
roughbarked said:✅
There’s something to be said of civic engagement I think.
If a lot of people don’t take at least some interest in politics, then the politicians will do just as they please, flout and rules, laws or regulations whenever they want, and steal everything and sell everything.
Why?
Because people aren’t interested in what they do, so no-one’s watching.
It’s a bit more nuanced than that. Following politics and voting is not really a virtue in its on right. Being a good person is about being a good person. Your voting habits should follow on from the accumulation of other good attributes. You can be a complete arsehat and follow politics and vote for arsehat parties with arsehat policies that might be actively harmful to your society. So the act of voting or taking an interest in politics can’t be a virtue in its own right.
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:
Witty Rejoinder said:There’s something to be said of civic engagement I think.
If a lot of people don’t take at least some interest in politics, then the politicians will do just as they please, flout and rules, laws or regulations whenever they want, and steal everything and sell everything.
Why?
Because people aren’t interested in what they do, so no-one’s watching.
It’s a bit more nuanced than that. Following politics and voting is not really a virtue in its on right. Being a good person is about being a good person. Your voting habits should follow on from the accumulation of other good attributes. You can be a complete arsehat and follow politics and vote for arsehat parties with arsehat policies that might be actively harmful to your society. So the act of voting or taking an interest in politics can’t be a virtue in its own right.
and if you don’t like politicians so much don’t vote. $20 first offence and $50 thereafter.
Bogsnorkler said:
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:If a lot of people don’t take at least some interest in politics, then the politicians will do just as they please, flout and rules, laws or regulations whenever they want, and steal everything and sell everything.
Why?
Because people aren’t interested in what they do, so no-one’s watching.
It’s a bit more nuanced than that. Following politics and voting is not really a virtue in its on right. Being a good person is about being a good person. Your voting habits should follow on from the accumulation of other good attributes. You can be a complete arsehat and follow politics and vote for arsehat parties with arsehat policies that might be actively harmful to your society. So the act of voting or taking an interest in politics can’t be a virtue in its own right.
and if you don’t like politicians so much don’t vote. $20 first offence and $50 thereafter.
Money well spent?
dv said:
It’s nice to know Australia has its own conservative intellectuals
Dispelling the rumour
Ms Jones said due to technology, shared knowledge had never been more accessible.
“Social media is allowing us to share things so these tiny snippets of information that we thought we knew for so many years are getting changed every day and it’s brilliant,” she said.
She said she hoped myths — like snake-repellent devices and using lizards to ward off snakes — would fade away.
“Maybe things that are in textbooks and what we’ve been told might change in the future.”
Bogsnorkler said:
and if you don’t like politicians so much don’t vote. $20 first offence and $50 thereafter.
But the AEC has no teeth, so if you don’t vote and don’t pay the find, they don’t do anything (speaking from experience.)
roughbarked said:
dv said:
It’s nice to know Australia has its own conservative intellectuals
Dispelling the rumour
Ms Jones said due to technology, shared knowledge had never been more accessible.
“Social media is allowing us to share things so these tiny snippets of information that we thought we knew for so many years are getting changed every day and it’s brilliant,” she said.
She said she hoped myths — like snake-repellent devices and using lizards to ward off snakes — would fade away.
“Maybe things that are in textbooks and what we’ve been told might change in the future.”
Not when the owners of social media tend towards taking the conspiracist interpretation of things.
btm said:
Bogsnorkler said:
and if you don’t like politicians so much don’t vote. $20 first offence and $50 thereafter.
But the AEC has no teeth, so if you don’t vote and don’t pay the find, they don’t do anything (speaking from experience.)
You don’t vote?
btm said:
Bogsnorkler said:
and if you don’t like politicians so much don’t vote. $20 first offence and $50 thereafter.
But the AEC has no teeth, so if you don’t vote and don’t pay the find, they don’t do anything (speaking from experience.)
is there a higher fine for encouraging others to not vote
Witty Rejoinder said:
btm said:
Bogsnorkler said:
and if you don’t like politicians so much don’t vote. $20 first offence and $50 thereafter.
But the AEC has no teeth, so if you don’t vote and don’t pay the find, they don’t do anything (speaking from experience.)
You don’t vote?
At that election I didn’t. I can’t remember why.
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:
It’s nice to know Australia has its own conservative intellectuals
Dispelling the rumour
Ms Jones said due to technology, shared knowledge had never been more accessible.
“Social media is allowing us to share things so these tiny snippets of information that we thought we knew for so many years are getting changed every day and it’s brilliant,” she said.
She said she hoped myths — like snake-repellent devices and using lizards to ward off snakes — would fade away.
“Maybe things that are in textbooks and what we’ve been told might change in the future.”
Not when the owners of social media tend towards taking the conspiracist interpretation of things.
True.
Landlords in NSW can decline a tenant’s request to have pets without a specific reason, but the opposition wants to change that if it wins next year’s March election.
18m ago
Could this cause an election upset?
‘No doubt’: Defence minister says subs pact will stretch US industries
By Angus Thompson, Rachael Dexter and Matthew Knott
Updated January 7, 2023 — 6.32pmfirst published at 12.11pm
Defence Minister Richard Marles has said there is “no doubt” the AUKUS submarine deal will place pressure on US defence industries and the new military alliance will require Australia’s entire industrial base.
Speaking a day after it was revealed two US senators warned President Joe Biden the security pact to share nuclear submarine technology with Australia would stretch their country’s own submarine industry to “breaking point”, Marles said Australia must develop its own capabilities.
Read more:
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/no-doubt-defence-minister-says-subs-pact-will-stretch-us-industries-20230107-p5cayu.html
…
Seems increasingly that the UK Astute class, of which 5 of 7 are operational, might be the better option. The Brits might be keen for ongoing work in the years ahead.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astute-class_submarine
The trial of former One Nation senator Rod Culleton, who allegedly breached Western Australia’s hard border last year, has been adjourned after beginning in farcical circumstances when the accused requested the magistrate take a sobriety test.
Mr Culleton and his co-accused, 57-year-old Roslyn Jane Stewart, are on trial in the Kalgoorlie Magistrates Court for allegedly failing to comply with a direction under the Emergency Management Act in March last year.
The charge carries a potential sentence of up to 12 months in jail or a fine of up to $50,000.
The pair entered the courtroom and had not even approached the bar table before they began to test the patience of Magistrate Kevin Tavener.
They repeatedly refused to identify themselves when asked if they were the people named on the charge sheet, and only took a seat after Ms Stewart had exclaimed three times that “we do not recognise the jurisdiction of this court”.
Mr Culleton unsuccessfully attempted to make constitutional arguments, claiming the Eyre Highway was a Commonwealth jurisdiction, but the magistrate responded repeatedly that he did not understand Mr Culleton’s arguments.
“Jurisdiction goes to the heart of the matter and whether WA Police have prosecutorial powers to go forward,” Mr Culleton added.
Mr Culleton went on to say that he had not entered a plea, despite appearing at numerous pre-trial hearings last year.
“I am a Commonwealth officer,” Mr Culleton said at one stage.
“You’re not a Commonwealth officer … you’re a private citizen,” the magistrate replied.
“Maybe what I did in parliament then is just nonsense,” Mr Culleton responded, before being told to take a seat and be quiet.
After these remarks, Ms Stewart, who told the court she was a registered nurse, took issue with the magistrate.
“In my opinion, you appear not to be sober,” Ms Stewart told Magistrate Tavener.
“Can we request a sobriety test?
“You are determining my future and I want to know you’re sober.”
“Is that something we can request?” Mr Culleton asked.
The magistrate appeared annoyed at the comment but was measured in his response.
“Don’t insult me again … there is a limit to what I will tolerate.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-09/trial-of-former-one-nation-senator-rod-culleton/101837150
One Nation really can pick ‘em.
dv said:
The trial of former One Nation senator Rod Culleton, who allegedly breached Western Australia’s hard border last year, has been adjourned after beginning in farcical circumstances when the accused requested the magistrate take a sobriety test.
Mr Culleton and his co-accused, 57-year-old Roslyn Jane Stewart, are on trial in the Kalgoorlie Magistrates Court for allegedly failing to comply with a direction under the Emergency Management Act in March last year.
The charge carries a potential sentence of up to 12 months in jail or a fine of up to $50,000.
The pair entered the courtroom and had not even approached the bar table before they began to test the patience of Magistrate Kevin Tavener.
They repeatedly refused to identify themselves when asked if they were the people named on the charge sheet, and only took a seat after Ms Stewart had exclaimed three times that “we do not recognise the jurisdiction of this court”.
Mr Culleton unsuccessfully attempted to make constitutional arguments, claiming the Eyre Highway was a Commonwealth jurisdiction, but the magistrate responded repeatedly that he did not understand Mr Culleton’s arguments.
“Jurisdiction goes to the heart of the matter and whether WA Police have prosecutorial powers to go forward,” Mr Culleton added.
Mr Culleton went on to say that he had not entered a plea, despite appearing at numerous pre-trial hearings last year.
“I am a Commonwealth officer,” Mr Culleton said at one stage.
“You’re not a Commonwealth officer … you’re a private citizen,” the magistrate replied.
“Maybe what I did in parliament then is just nonsense,” Mr Culleton responded, before being told to take a seat and be quiet.
After these remarks, Ms Stewart, who told the court she was a registered nurse, took issue with the magistrate.
“In my opinion, you appear not to be sober,” Ms Stewart told Magistrate Tavener.
“Can we request a sobriety test?
“You are determining my future and I want to know you’re sober.”
“Is that something we can request?” Mr Culleton asked.
The magistrate appeared annoyed at the comment but was measured in his response.
“Don’t insult me again … there is a limit to what I will tolerate.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-09/trial-of-former-one-nation-senator-rod-culleton/101837150
One Nation really can pick ‘em.
much rests on oratory and rhetorical skill
“It’s not my role to base myself in Canberra while criticising third countries. It’s not my role … to try and stop Australia developing normal relationship with a third country,” he told journalists.
“During World War II, Japan invaded Australia, bombed Darwin, killed Australians, and treated Australian POWs in a way that was unacceptable,” he told journalists.
“And the Japanese government has not apologised for that … does that mean they have really realised it’s wrong? If they don’t apologise, they don’t accept it’s wrong, and they might repeat the history.
SCIENCE said:
“It’s not my role to base myself in Canberra while criticising third countries. It’s not my role … to try and stop Australia developing normal relationship with a third country,” he told journalists.
“During World War II, Japan invaded Australia, bombed Darwin, killed Australians, and treated Australian POWs in a way that was unacceptable,” he told journalists.
“And the Japanese government has not apologised for that … does that mean they have really realised it’s wrong? If they don’t apologise, they don’t accept it’s wrong, and they might repeat the history.
Cool cool cool cool cool except they’ve apologised copiously and repeatedly
dv said:
SCIENCE said:“It’s not my role to base myself in Canberra while criticising third countries. It’s not my role … to try and stop Australia developing normal relationship with a third country,” he told journalists.
“During World War II, Japan invaded Australia, bombed Darwin, killed Australians, and treated Australian POWs in a way that was unacceptable,” he told journalists.
“And the Japanese government has not apologised for that … does that mean they have really realised it’s wrong? If they don’t apologise, they don’t accept it’s wrong, and they might repeat the history.
Cool cool cool cool cool except they’ve apologised copiously and repeatedly
Xiao Qian Ruxton.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
SCIENCE said:“It’s not my role to base myself in Canberra while criticising third countries. It’s not my role … to try and stop Australia developing normal relationship with a third country,” he told journalists.
“During World War II, Japan invaded Australia, bombed Darwin, killed Australians, and treated Australian POWs in a way that was unacceptable,” he told journalists.
“And the Japanese government has not apologised for that … does that mean they have really realised it’s wrong? If they don’t apologise, they don’t accept it’s wrong, and they might repeat the history.
Cool cool cool cool cool except they’ve apologised copiously and repeatedly
Xiao Qian Ruxton.
wait so could acting like there are no apologies when there are, be a form of stopping developing normal relationships
SCIENCE said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:Cool cool cool cool cool except they’ve apologised copiously and repeatedly
Xiao Qian Ruxton.
wait so could acting like there are no apologies when there are, be a form of stopping developing normal relationships
Not sure I’d want to be Japan if China instigated the third world war, seems like they want payback for WWII
dv said:
Should be quite clear being The Voice
dv said:
Fine portraits there, spot on.
dv said:
Nice one.
Cymek said:
dv said:
Should be quite clear being The Voice
Maybe get Johnny Farnham out of retirement to deliver it?
roughbarked said:
Cymek said:
dv said:
Should be quite clear being The Voice
Maybe get Johnny Farnham out of retirement to deliver it?
This time he’s playing to win
Get ready for more taxes to support this voice
wookiemeister said:
Get ready for more taxes to support this voice
Well, you’re not wrong.
As much as i agree with the principle, role, and purpose of the initiative, it will entail its own caravan of necessities.
There’ll be staffing and office accommodation and equipment and vehicles and all that goes with what will essentially be a new department of government. And it will not be done on the cheap, but rather quite the opposite, to demonstrate dedication to such a worthy ideal.
It will remain to see just what type of gray-train it might develop into (what’s the Space Agency been doing lately?).
sure but the white potato guy does have a point, in 15 days there will be a day commemorating the success of the last time Indigenous Australians ran the defence policy
Release of ICAC report on Daryl Maguire, Gladys Berejiklian delayed
ICAC says its report won’t be released in the first quarter of this year
It probed the conduct of ex-Wagga Wagga MP Daryl Maguire, and former premier Gladys Berejiklian
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-11/icac-report-daryl-maguire-gladys-berejiklian-delayed/101844426
dv said:
Release of ICAC report on Daryl Maguire, Gladys Berejiklian delayedICAC says its report won’t be released in the first quarter of this year
It probed the conduct of ex-Wagga Wagga MP Daryl Maguire, and former premier Gladys Berejiklianhttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-11/icac-report-daryl-maguire-gladys-berejiklian-delayed/101844426
Can’t be terribly complimentary, then.
If they’d come out of it clean, then the Lib party wouldn’t have minded if it was released: ‘see, we told you, all above board, you can trust us’.
But, no, let’s wait until the election is over.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
Release of ICAC report on Daryl Maguire, Gladys Berejiklian delayedICAC says its report won’t be released in the first quarter of this year
It probed the conduct of ex-Wagga Wagga MP Daryl Maguire, and former premier Gladys Berejiklianhttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-11/icac-report-daryl-maguire-gladys-berejiklian-delayed/101844426
Can’t be terribly complimentary, then.
If they’d come out of it clean, then the Lib party wouldn’t have minded if it was released: ‘see, we told you, all above board, you can trust us’.
But, no, let’s wait until the election is over.
If you read the article, they just state that it isn’t yet finished and is unlikely to be finished before the election.
sibeen said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
Release of ICAC report on Daryl Maguire, Gladys Berejiklian delayedICAC says its report won’t be released in the first quarter of this year
It probed the conduct of ex-Wagga Wagga MP Daryl Maguire, and former premier Gladys Berejiklianhttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-11/icac-report-daryl-maguire-gladys-berejiklian-delayed/101844426
Can’t be terribly complimentary, then.
If they’d come out of it clean, then the Lib party wouldn’t have minded if it was released: ‘see, we told you, all above board, you can trust us’.
But, no, let’s wait until the election is over.
If you read the article, they just state that it isn’t yet finished and is unlikely to be finished before the election.
Hey, The Outrage Bus is making a loss and here you are taking passengers from me!
sibeen said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
Release of ICAC report on Daryl Maguire, Gladys Berejiklian delayedICAC says its report won’t be released in the first quarter of this year
It probed the conduct of ex-Wagga Wagga MP Daryl Maguire, and former premier Gladys Berejiklianhttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-11/icac-report-daryl-maguire-gladys-berejiklian-delayed/101844426
Can’t be terribly complimentary, then.
If they’d come out of it clean, then the Lib party wouldn’t have minded if it was released: ‘see, we told you, all above board, you can trust us’.
But, no, let’s wait until the election is over.
If you read the article, they just state that it isn’t yet finished and is unlikely to be finished before the election.
Yes, i looked through the article.
But, i can imagine Dominic saying ‘no, there’s no hurry. Take your time, polish it up, you can make it a quality example. As long as you want, don’t rush’.
captain_spalding said:
sibeen said:
captain_spalding said:Can’t be terribly complimentary, then.
If they’d come out of it clean, then the Lib party wouldn’t have minded if it was released: ‘see, we told you, all above board, you can trust us’.
But, no, let’s wait until the election is over.
If you read the article, they just state that it isn’t yet finished and is unlikely to be finished before the election.
Yes, i looked through the article.
But, i can imagine Dominic saying ‘no, there’s no hurry. Take your time, polish it up, you can make it a quality example. As long as you want, don’t rush’.
the ICAC is independent of government
diddly-squat said:
captain_spalding said:
sibeen said:If you read the article, they just state that it isn’t yet finished and is unlikely to be finished before the election.
Yes, i looked through the article.
But, i can imagine Dominic saying ‘no, there’s no hurry. Take your time, polish it up, you can make it a quality example. As long as you want, don’t rush’.
the ICAC is independent of government
Of course. But, as i say, Dominic is unlikely to be hinting for haste.
sibeen said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
Release of ICAC report on Daryl Maguire, Gladys Berejiklian delayedICAC says its report won’t be released in the first quarter of this year
It probed the conduct of ex-Wagga Wagga MP Daryl Maguire, and former premier Gladys Berejiklianhttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-11/icac-report-daryl-maguire-gladys-berejiklian-delayed/101844426
Can’t be terribly complimentary, then.
If they’d come out of it clean, then the Lib party wouldn’t have minded if it was released: ‘see, we told you, all above board, you can trust us’.
But, no, let’s wait until the election is over.
If you read the article, they just state that it isn’t yet finished and is unlikely to be finished before the election.
Plus not everything is a conspiracy.
Bogsnorkler said:
sibeen said:
captain_spalding said:Can’t be terribly complimentary, then.
If they’d come out of it clean, then the Lib party wouldn’t have minded if it was released: ‘see, we told you, all above board, you can trust us’.
But, no, let’s wait until the election is over.
If you read the article, they just state that it isn’t yet finished and is unlikely to be finished before the election.
Plus not everything is a conspiracy.
captain_spalding said:
diddly-squat said:
captain_spalding said:Yes, i looked through the article.
But, i can imagine Dominic saying ‘no, there’s no hurry. Take your time, polish it up, you can make it a quality example. As long as you want, don’t rush’.
the ICAC is independent of government
Of course. But, as i say, Dominic is unlikely to be hinting for haste.
I’m not sure the ICAC commissioner would give a shit either way about what Dom thinks
Bogsnorkler said:
sibeen said:
captain_spalding said:Can’t be terribly complimentary, then.
If they’d come out of it clean, then the Lib party wouldn’t have minded if it was released: ‘see, we told you, all above board, you can trust us’.
But, no, let’s wait until the election is over.
If you read the article, they just state that it isn’t yet finished and is unlikely to be finished before the election.
Plus not everything is a conspiracy.
So incompetence then?
buffy said:
Bogsnorkler said:
sibeen said:If you read the article, they just state that it isn’t yet finished and is unlikely to be finished before the election.
Plus not everything is a conspiracy.
So incompetence then?
on whose part?
Bogsnorkler said:
buffy said:
Bogsnorkler said:Plus not everything is a conspiracy.
So incompetence then?
on whose part?
“The report concerns complex matters of law and fact, two public inquiries which proceeded over 30 days, over 2,800 pages of transcript, 516 exhibits comprising approximately 10,600 pages and 957 pages of submissions,” the statement said.
“It is necessary that the issues relevant to the investigation are addressed carefully.”
Looks to be the complete opposite. Unless you have some insight as to how they are failing at their jobs.
buffy said:
Bogsnorkler said:
sibeen said:If you read the article, they just state that it isn’t yet finished and is unlikely to be finished before the election.
Plus not everything is a conspiracy.
So incompetence then?
Much more frequently implicated, for certain.
Bogsnorkler said:
Bogsnorkler said:
buffy said:So incompetence then?
on whose part?
“The report concerns complex matters of law and fact, two public inquiries which proceeded over 30 days, over 2,800 pages of transcript, 516 exhibits comprising approximately 10,600 pages and 957 pages of submissions,” the statement said.
“It is necessary that the issues relevant to the investigation are addressed carefully.”
Looks to be the complete opposite. Unless you have some insight as to how they are failing at their jobs.
I’m just shit-stirring.
On the other hand, i won’t beat all surprised if the report, when eventually released, mentions some things that Gladys and what’s-his-name aren’t likely to add to their CVs.
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:
Bogsnorkler said:Plus not everything is a conspiracy.
So incompetence then?
Much more frequently implicated, for certain.
“The report concerns complex matters of law and fact, two public inquiries which proceeded over 30 days, over 2,800 pages of transcript, 516 exhibits comprising approximately 10,600 pages and 957 pages of submissions,” the statement said.
“It is necessary that the issues relevant to the investigation are addressed carefully.”
Looks to be the complete opposite. Unless you have some insight as to how they are failing at their jobs.
captain_spalding said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Bogsnorkler said:on whose part?
“The report concerns complex matters of law and fact, two public inquiries which proceeded over 30 days, over 2,800 pages of transcript, 516 exhibits comprising approximately 10,600 pages and 957 pages of submissions,” the statement said.
“It is necessary that the issues relevant to the investigation are addressed carefully.”
Looks to be the complete opposite. Unless you have some insight as to how they are failing at their jobs.
I’m just shit-stirring.
On the other hand, i won’t beat all surprised if the report, when eventually released, mentions some things that Gladys and what’s-his-name aren’t likely to add to their CVs.
ahhh the old I’m just joking excuse.
Bogsnorkler said:
captain_spalding said:
Bogsnorkler said:“The report concerns complex matters of law and fact, two public inquiries which proceeded over 30 days, over 2,800 pages of transcript, 516 exhibits comprising approximately 10,600 pages and 957 pages of submissions,” the statement said.
“It is necessary that the issues relevant to the investigation are addressed carefully.”
Looks to be the complete opposite. Unless you have some insight as to how they are failing at their jobs.
I’m just shit-stirring.
On the other hand, i won’t beat all surprised if the report, when eventually released, mentions some things that Gladys and what’s-his-name aren’t likely to add to their CVs.
ahhh the old I’m just joking excuse.
The old excuses, like the old jokes, are the best.
Bogsnorkler said:
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:So incompetence then?
Much more frequently implicated, for certain.
“The report concerns complex matters of law and fact, two public inquiries which proceeded over 30 days, over 2,800 pages of transcript, 516 exhibits comprising approximately 10,600 pages and 957 pages of submissions,” the statement said.
“It is necessary that the issues relevant to the investigation are addressed carefully.”
Looks to be the complete opposite. Unless you have some insight as to how they are failing at their jobs.
I meant that it’s more likely to be a factor in the bumblings of government than is conspiracy. Not trying to label ICAC as incompetent.
Bogsnorkler said:
buffy said:
Bogsnorkler said:Plus not everything is a conspiracy.
So incompetence then?
on whose part?
Nah, just going with the saw that incompetence beats conspiracy every time.
ICAC grindeth slowly but exceedingly small.
Etc etc
“Histrionic”
dv said:
Etc etc“Histrionic”
I’m part of the anti-Christian forces, so fuck Pell and fuck Katter too.
party_pants said:
dv said:
Etc etc“Histrionic”
I’m part of the anti-Christian forces, so fuck Pell and fuck Katter too.
Katter’s son-in-law wants to sell guns in Australia. He and Katter have been working towards this for some years. I was speaking to some psychiatrists and they are worried about this because all the male gun suicides didn’t translate into other types of suicides. They don’t wnat them back. Though the are also very concerned that it seems people who want to make a lot of money want Australia to move towards an American medical health system.
So much bait and switch going on.
ms spock said:
party_pants said:
dv said:
Etc etc“Histrionic”
I’m part of the anti-Christian forces, so fuck Pell and fuck Katter too.
Katter’s son-in-law wants to sell guns in Australia. He and Katter have been working towards this for some years. I was speaking to some psychiatrists and they are worried about this because all the male gun suicides didn’t translate into other types of suicides. They don’t wnat them back. Though the are also very concerned that it seems people who want to make a lot of money want Australia to move towards an American medical health system.
So much bait and switch going on.
ms spock said:
party_pants said:
dv said:
Etc etc“Histrionic”
I’m part of the anti-Christian forces, so fuck Pell and fuck Katter too.
Katter’s son-in-law wants to sell guns in Australia. He and Katter have been working towards this for some years. I was speaking to some psychiatrists and they are worried about this because all the male gun suicides didn’t translate into other types of suicides. They don’t wnat them back. Though the are also very concerned that it seems people who want to make a lot of money want Australia to move towards an American medical health system.
So much bait and switch going on.
The post on his page and the comments. Second post down
https://www.facebook.com/bobkattermp
Bogsnorkler said:
ms spock said:
party_pants said:I’m part of the anti-Christian forces, so fuck Pell and fuck Katter too.
Katter’s son-in-law wants to sell guns in Australia. He and Katter have been working towards this for some years. I was speaking to some psychiatrists and they are worried about this because all the male gun suicides didn’t translate into other types of suicides. They don’t wnat them back. Though the are also very concerned that it seems people who want to make a lot of money want Australia to move towards an American medical health system.
So much bait and switch going on.
The post on his page and the comments. Second post down
https://www.facebook.com/bobkattermp
Democracy Is The Greatest Export ¡
Tamb said:
ms spock said:
party_pants said:
I’m part of the anti-Christian forces, so fuck Pell and fuck Katter too.
Katter’s son-in-law wants to sell guns in Australia. He and Katter have been working towards this for some years. I was speaking to some psychiatrists and they are worried about this because all the male gun suicides didn’t translate into other types of suicides. They don’t wnat them back. Though the are also very concerned that it seems people who want to make a lot of money want Australia to move towards an American medical health system.
So much bait and switch going on.
Gun suicide is a better way to go than things like hanging.
d’n‘o’, we’ve never spoken to anyone who came back from both to compare
SCIENCE said:
Tamb said:
ms spock said:
Katter’s son-in-law wants to sell guns in Australia. He and Katter have been working towards this for some years. I was speaking to some psychiatrists and they are worried about this because all the male gun suicides didn’t translate into other types of suicides. They don’t wnat them back. Though the are also very concerned that it seems people who want to make a lot of money want Australia to move towards an American medical health system.
So much bait and switch going on.
Gun suicide is a better way to go than things like hanging.d’n‘o’, we’ve never spoken to anyone who came back from both to compare
Tamb said:
SCIENCE said:Tamb said:
Gun suicide is a better way to go than things like hanging.
d’n‘o’, we’ve never spoken to anyone who came back from both to compare
Most DIY hangings are actually slow strangulation. I helped remove the noose from a neighbours neck. It was an ugly, messy sight.
Gun shot wounds are also pretty messy and many self inflicted gunshots do not kill the individual outright.
Arts said:
Tamb said:
SCIENCE said:d’n‘o’, we’ve never spoken to anyone who came back from both to compare
Most DIY hangings are actually slow strangulation. I helped remove the noose from a neighbours neck. It was an ugly, messy sight.Gun shot wounds are also pretty messy and many self inflicted gunshots do not kill the individual outright.
I knew a bloke who used a .303 but though he shot himself in the head, didn’t finish him. He had to crawl across the floor pick up the gun and do it again.
Arts said:
Tamb said:
SCIENCE said:d’n‘o’, we’ve never spoken to anyone who came back from both to compare
Most DIY hangings are actually slow strangulation. I helped remove the noose from a neighbours neck. It was an ugly, messy sight.Gun shot wounds are also pretty messy and many self inflicted gunshots do not kill the individual outright.
Tamb said:
Arts said:
Tamb said:Most DIY hangings are actually slow strangulation. I helped remove the noose from a neighbours neck. It was an ugly, messy sight.
Gun shot wounds are also pretty messy and many self inflicted gunshots do not kill the individual outright.
True.
Never yet seen a GSW that could be described as a ‘clean wound’.
dv said:
Etc etc“Histrionic”
Roffle
And crocodiles have killed more Queenslanders then all the kiddie-fiddling cardinals in the Catholic church.
ms spock said:
…it seems people who want to make a lot of money want Australia to move towards an American medical health system.
And those people are getting quite tired of waiting.
Expect hefty lobbying of the Labor government during its term(s), and outright attacks on Medicare when the L/NP should next take government.
dv said:
Etc etc“Histrionic”
Pell never sued anyone for defamation for them saying, writing or broadcasting that he was a child rapist. The Church had more than enough money to run such a case. That was a strategic choice.
Ian said:
dv said:
Etc etc“Histrionic”
Roffle
And crocodiles have killed more Queenslanders then all the kiddie-fiddling cardinals in the Catholic church.
imagine a bat virus
Tamb said:
ms spock said:
party_pants said:I’m part of the anti-Christian forces, so fuck Pell and fuck Katter too.
Katter’s son-in-law wants to sell guns in Australia. He and Katter have been working towards this for some years. I was speaking to some psychiatrists and they are worried about this because all the male gun suicides didn’t translate into other types of suicides. They don’t wnat them back. Though the are also very concerned that it seems people who want to make a lot of money want Australia to move towards an American medical health system.
So much bait and switch going on.
Gun suicide is a better way to go than things like hanging.
I have been engaged in some training in suicide prevention. So whilst I acknowledge the pragmatism of your statement, you can get a child’s stomach pumped if they take an overdose. I am not in favour of any way of committing suicide. So you get them to open the front door if they ring you in distress and that way the paramedics can get in if they disclose later on in the conversation they have taken an overdose. It’s getting younger and younger, which is most disturbing.
Bogsnorkler said:
ms spock said:
party_pants said:I’m part of the anti-Christian forces, so fuck Pell and fuck Katter too.
Katter’s son-in-law wants to sell guns in Australia. He and Katter have been working towards this for some years. I was speaking to some psychiatrists and they are worried about this because all the male gun suicides didn’t translate into other types of suicides. They don’t wnat them back. Though the are also very concerned that it seems people who want to make a lot of money want Australia to move towards an American medical health system.
So much bait and switch going on.
The post on his page and the comments. Second post down
https://www.facebook.com/bobkattermp
I couldn’t find his comment on Twitter! It’s on Facebook! They are posting the imagine on Twitter. I had a choice comment to make.
ms spock said:
Tamb said:
ms spock said:Katter’s son-in-law wants to sell guns in Australia. He and Katter have been working towards this for some years. I was speaking to some psychiatrists and they are worried about this because all the male gun suicides didn’t translate into other types of suicides. They don’t wnat them back. Though the are also very concerned that it seems people who want to make a lot of money want Australia to move towards an American medical health system.
So much bait and switch going on.
Gun suicide is a better way to go than things like hanging.I have been engaged in some training in suicide prevention. So whilst I acknowledge the pragmatism of your statement, you can get a child’s stomach pumped if they take an overdose. I am not in favour of any way of committing suicide. So you get them to open the front door if they ring you in distress and that way the paramedics can get in if they disclose later on in the conversation they have taken an overdose. It’s getting younger and younger, which is most disturbing.
Again, the terminology is died by suicide.
with not from
Tamb said:
SCIENCE said:Tamb said:
Gun suicide is a better way to go than things like hanging.
d’n‘o’, we’ve never spoken to anyone who came back from both to compare
Most DIY hangings are actually slow strangulation. I helped remove the noose from a neighbours neck. It was an ugly, messy sight.
That is totally heartbreaking. I really am so sad to read that. What a distressing experience to go through!
ms spock said:
Tamb said:
SCIENCE said:d’n‘o’, we’ve never spoken to anyone who came back from both to compare
Most DIY hangings are actually slow strangulation. I helped remove the noose from a neighbours neck. It was an ugly, messy sight.That is totally heartbreaking. I really am so sad to read that. What a distressing experience to go through!
roughbarked said:
Arts said:
Tamb said:Most DIY hangings are actually slow strangulation. I helped remove the noose from a neighbours neck. It was an ugly, messy sight.
Gun shot wounds are also pretty messy and many self inflicted gunshots do not kill the individual outright.
I knew a bloke who used a .303 but though he shot himself in the head, didn’t finish him. He had to crawl across the floor pick up the gun and do it again.
:’‘’‘’(((((
captain_spalding said:
ms spock said:…it seems people who want to make a lot of money want Australia to move towards an American medical health system.
And those people are getting quite tired of waiting.
Expect hefty lobbying of the Labor government during its term(s), and outright attacks on Medicare when the L/NP should next take government.
You are so right captain spalding. The psychiatrists are most agitated. I feel scared for Australians. What are so many going to do? You need to have so much money to counter these forces.
Tamb said:
ms spock said:
Tamb said:Most DIY hangings are actually slow strangulation. I helped remove the noose from a neighbours neck. It was an ugly, messy sight.
That is totally heartbreaking. I really am so sad to read that. What a distressing experience to go through!
The really sad part is that she was in so much emotional turmoil & I could have helped if only I had known.
:’‘’‘’‘(((((((
It’s really hard once you know from their suicide that they were in so much emotional turmoil and you would have helped if you could have. That is tough going. I have a friend from 3-4 years back and it still stings. I did offer some help but I wanted her to get professional help as I didn’t have the skills she needed. She didn’t stick with the help.
“Prime Minister Anthony Albanese has called for a Papua New Guinea based Pacific Islander team and confirmed he has raised the proposal with the NRL.
Ahead of the PM’s historic speech to PNG’s parliament on Thursday, Mr Albanese told reporters on Wednesday he was “very keen” to see a PNG-based team participate.
He also told ABC Radio he would discuss the idea with his PNG counterpart James Marape during his visit to the Pacific island nation.”
Beat that China.
ms spock said:
captain_spalding said:
ms spock said:…it seems people who want to make a lot of money want Australia to move towards an American medical health system.
And those people are getting quite tired of waiting.
Expect hefty lobbying of the Labor government during its term(s), and outright attacks on Medicare when the L/NP should next take government.
You are so right captain spalding. The psychiatrists are most agitated. I feel scared for Australians. What are so many going to do? You need to have so much money to counter these forces.
fn american lobbyists. show them the door.
sarahs mum said:
ms spock said:
captain_spalding said:And those people are getting quite tired of waiting.
Expect hefty lobbying of the Labor government during its term(s), and outright attacks on Medicare when the L/NP should next take government.
You are so right captain spalding. The psychiatrists are most agitated. I feel scared for Australians. What are so many going to do? You need to have so much money to counter these forces.
fn american lobbyists. show them the door.
I don’t think medical care is even affordable anymore unless all governments spend their military budget on medical care as well as it’s normal medical budget allocation
Everything is so expensive, lots of profit for sure but modern medicine isn’t cheap
Cymek said:
sarahs mum said:
ms spock said:You are so right captain spalding. The psychiatrists are most agitated. I feel scared for Australians. What are so many going to do? You need to have so much money to counter these forces.
fn american lobbyists. show them the door.
I don’t think medical care is even affordable anymore unless all governments spend their military budget on medical care as well as it’s normal medical budget allocation
Everything is so expensive, lots of profit for sure but modern medicine isn’t cheap
the americans have one of the most expensive and most unequal health systems in the world. But they want to change everyone else.
Cymek said:
sarahs mum said:
ms spock said:You are so right captain spalding. The psychiatrists are most agitated. I feel scared for Australians. What are so many going to do? You need to have so much money to counter these forces.
fn american lobbyists. show them the door.
I don’t think medical care is even affordable anymore unless all governments spend their military budget on medical care as well as it’s normal medical budget allocation
Everything is so expensive, lots of profit for sure but modern medicine isn’t cheap
Australia spends 5 times as much on healthcare as it does on defense.
Cymek said:
sarahs mum said:
ms spock said:You are so right captain spalding. The psychiatrists are most agitated. I feel scared for Australians. What are so many going to do? You need to have so much money to counter these forces.
fn american lobbyists. show them the door.
I don’t think medical care is even affordable anymore unless all governments spend their military budget on medical care as well as it’s normal medical budget allocation
Everything is so expensive, lots of profit for sure but modern medicine isn’t cheap
It’s the one thing that gets more expensive over time.
sarahs mum said:
Cymek said:
sarahs mum said:fn american lobbyists. show them the door.
I don’t think medical care is even affordable anymore unless all governments spend their military budget on medical care as well as it’s normal medical budget allocation
Everything is so expensive, lots of profit for sure but modern medicine isn’t cheap
the americans have one of the most expensive and most unequal health systems in the world. But they want to change everyone else.
That is true yes, I remember us talking about it before as I saw an article on someone getting bitten by a snake in the USA and got a bill for something $75,000
The antivenom cost the hospital charged was something like 40 times what you’d pay elsewhere
sibeen said:
Cymek said:
sarahs mum said:fn american lobbyists. show them the door.
I don’t think medical care is even affordable anymore unless all governments spend their military budget on medical care as well as it’s normal medical budget allocation
Everything is so expensive, lots of profit for sure but modern medicine isn’t cheap
Australia spends 5 times as much on healthcare as it does on defense.
OK
sarahs mum said:
the americans have one of the most expensive and most unequal health systems in the world. But they want to change everyone else.
Why suffer alone?
Witty Rejoinder said:
Cymek said:
sarahs mum said:fn american lobbyists. show them the door.
I don’t think medical care is even affordable anymore unless all governments spend their military budget on medical care as well as it’s normal medical budget allocation
Everything is so expensive, lots of profit for sure but modern medicine isn’t cheap
It’s the one thing that gets more expensive over time.
Yes
What would the cost be though if all medical care was free (including dentistry) and you got what was required within a reasonable time frame.
This is for everyone on the planet
It would probably be a significant percentage of the world’s GDP, its something that should happen but never will
Cymek said:
sarahs mum said:
Cymek said:I don’t think medical care is even affordable anymore unless all governments spend their military budget on medical care as well as it’s normal medical budget allocation
Everything is so expensive, lots of profit for sure but modern medicine isn’t cheap
the americans have one of the most expensive and most unequal health systems in the world. But they want to change everyone else.
That is true yes, I remember us talking about it before as I saw an article on someone getting bitten by a snake in the USA and got a bill for something $75,000
The antivenom cost the hospital charged was something like 40 times what you’d pay elsewhere
they charge you to hold your baby after delivery.
Cymek said:
sibeen said:
Cymek said:I don’t think medical care is even affordable anymore unless all governments spend their military budget on medical care as well as it’s normal medical budget allocation
Everything is so expensive, lots of profit for sure but modern medicine isn’t cheap
Australia spends 5 times as much on healthcare as it does on defense.
OK
Actually, in federal government budgetary expenditure it’s closer to 8 times.
Cymek said:
That is true yes, I remember us talking about it before as I saw an article on someone getting bitten by a snake in the USA and got a bill for something $75,000
The antivenom cost the hospital charged was something like 40 times what you’d pay elsewhere
This is also a symptom of the US health ‘system’.
It’s geared to people having private health insurance, and those health insurance companies are BIG, and have vast amounts of money, and will fight tooth and nail to hang on to that money.
So, large hospitals and aggregations of middle- and small-sized hospitals negotiate with those health funds of the cost of the treatment of patients in those funds.
In the classic manner, the initial bill submitted is astronomical so that there’s plenty of room for negotiation, and the ensuing argy-bargy and back-and-forth between hospital(s) and fund(s) reduces the final figure down considerably, so that the fund ‘saves’ money, and the hospital(s) still make quite a tidy profit.
However, if you’re not in a health fund, and you get e.g. the $75,000 bill mentioned, you’re on your own buddy, and no negotiation will be entered into.
Cymek said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Cymek said:I don’t think medical care is even affordable anymore unless all governments spend their military budget on medical care as well as it’s normal medical budget allocation
Everything is so expensive, lots of profit for sure but modern medicine isn’t cheap
It’s the one thing that gets more expensive over time.
Yes
What would the cost be though if all medical care was free (including dentistry) and you got what was required within a reasonable time frame.
This is for everyone on the planet
It would probably be a significant percentage of the world’s GDP, its something that should happen but never will
Medicine gets more expensive because of technological improvement. 50 years ago a world-class hospital was the equivalent of what we’d now call a cheap motel.
captain_spalding said:
Cymek said:That is true yes, I remember us talking about it before as I saw an article on someone getting bitten by a snake in the USA and got a bill for something $75,000
The antivenom cost the hospital charged was something like 40 times what you’d pay elsewhere
This is also a symptom of the US health ‘system’.
It’s geared to people having private health insurance, and those health insurance companies are BIG, and have vast amounts of money, and will fight tooth and nail to hang on to that money.
So, large hospitals and aggregations of middle- and small-sized hospitals negotiate with those health funds of the cost of the treatment of patients in those funds.
In the classic manner, the initial bill submitted is astronomical so that there’s plenty of room for negotiation, and the ensuing argy-bargy and back-and-forth between hospital(s) and fund(s) reduces the final figure down considerably, so that the fund ‘saves’ money, and the hospital(s) still make quite a tidy profit.
However, if you’re not in a health fund, and you get e.g. the $75,000 bill mentioned, you’re on your own buddy, and no negotiation will be entered into.
Doctor “do you want fries with that, sorry you’ve got medical insurance I assume”
Witty Rejoinder said:
Cymek said:
Witty Rejoinder said:It’s the one thing that gets more expensive over time.
Yes
What would the cost be though if all medical care was free (including dentistry) and you got what was required within a reasonable time frame.
This is for everyone on the planet
It would probably be a significant percentage of the world’s GDP, its something that should happen but never willMedicine gets more expensive because of technological improvement. 50 years ago a world-class hospital was the equivalent of what we’d now call a cheap motel.
A backpacker’s hostel you mean?
https://www.australiandefence.com.au/defence/budget-policy/labor-reveals-new-defence-budget#:~:text=Budget%20papers%20show%20the%20consolidated,%2456.554%20billion%20in%202025%2D26.
Australian defence budget is $52 billion p.a.
https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/rp/BudgetReview202223/HealthOverview
Federal health budget is around $108 billion.
https://www.aihw.gov.au/reports/health-welfare-expenditure/health-expenditure-australia-2019-20/contents/about
Total health expenditure (State, Federal, Private) was $208 billion.
I think some of y’all’s estimates of the ratio are off.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Cymek said:
Witty Rejoinder said:It’s the one thing that gets more expensive over time.
Yes
What would the cost be though if all medical care was free (including dentistry) and you got what was required within a reasonable time frame.
This is for everyone on the planet
It would probably be a significant percentage of the world’s GDP, its something that should happen but never willMedicine gets more expensive because of technological improvement. 50 years ago a world-class hospital was the equivalent of what we’d now call a cheap motel.
Yes that’s what I’m talking about, huge numbers of people needing access to expensive equipment, medicine and care
Not enough money by far allocated to health, but that money may not exist without many other areas going without.
roughbarked said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Cymek said:Yes
What would the cost be though if all medical care was free (including dentistry) and you got what was required within a reasonable time frame.
This is for everyone on the planet
It would probably be a significant percentage of the world’s GDP, its something that should happen but never willMedicine gets more expensive because of technological improvement. 50 years ago a world-class hospital was the equivalent of what we’d now call a cheap motel.
A backpacker’s hostel you mean?
Didn’t have much to do with hospitals 50 years ago, but i can’t remember any anguished cries coming from their kitchens about how some bastard has stolen someone’s instant noodles again!
dv said:
https://www.australiandefence.com.au/defence/budget-policy/labor-reveals-new-defence-budget#:~:text=Budget%20papers%20show%20the%20consolidated,%2456.554%20billion%20in%202025%2D26.Australian defence budget is $52 billion p.a.
https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/rp/BudgetReview202223/HealthOverview
Federal health budget is around $108 billion.
https://www.aihw.gov.au/reports/health-welfare-expenditure/health-expenditure-australia-2019-20/contents/about
Total health expenditure (State, Federal, Private) was $208 billion.
I think some of y’all’s estimates of the ratio are off.
Well, y’all seems incorrect also, for not many of us made any estimates.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Medicine gets more expensive because of technological improvement. 50 years ago a world-class hospital was the equivalent of what we’d now call a cheap motel.
A backpacker’s hostel you mean?
Didn’t have much to do with hospitals 50 years ago, but i can’t remember any anguished cries coming from their kitchens about how some bastard has stolen someone’s instant noodles again!
:)
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Medicine gets more expensive because of technological improvement. 50 years ago a world-class hospital was the equivalent of what we’d now call a cheap motel.
A backpacker’s hostel you mean?
Didn’t have much to do with hospitals 50 years ago, but i can’t remember any anguished cries coming from their kitchens about how some bastard has stolen someone’s instant noodles again!
My visit to hospital 70years ago for an appendectomy resulted in me being discharged with multiple tropical ulcers.
traitors
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-12/human-rights-watch-report-2022-australia-asia/101838412
SCIENCE said:
traitors
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-12/human-rights-watch-report-2022-australia-asia/101838412
patriots
NSW Premier Dominic Perrottet has apologised after revealing he wore a Nazi costume to his 21st birthday party. Mr Perrottet said he was “deeply ashamed” for wearing the uniform to a fancy dress party, saying it had caused him “much anxiety” through the course of his life. He told a press conference in Sydney that he decided to come forward after receiving a phone call two days ago. The premier said he was “naive” at the time of the incident and “didn’t understand the significance of that decision”. He said the party’s theme was “uniforms”.
yes we’re sure the persistent possibility of having something like that revealed and costing oneself the premiership could certainly cause much anxiety
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
traitors
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-12/human-rights-watch-report-2022-australia-asia/101838412
patriots
NSW Premier Dominic Perrottet has apologised after revealing he wore a Nazi costume to his 21st birthday party. Mr Perrottet said he was “deeply ashamed” for wearing the uniform to a fancy dress party, saying it had caused him “much anxiety” through the course of his life. He told a press conference in Sydney that he decided to come forward after receiving a phone call two days ago. The premier said he was “naive” at the time of the incident and “didn’t understand the significance of that decision”. He said the party’s theme was “uniforms”.
yes we’re sure the persistent possibility of having something like that revealed and costing oneself the premiership could certainly cause much anxiety
I’m not particularly keen to ding some silly edgelord behaviour when they were 21.
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
traitors
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-12/human-rights-watch-report-2022-australia-asia/101838412
patriots
NSW Premier Dominic Perrottet has apologised after revealing he wore a Nazi costume to his 21st birthday party. Mr Perrottet said he was “deeply ashamed” for wearing the uniform to a fancy dress party, saying it had caused him “much anxiety” through the course of his life. He told a press conference in Sydney that he decided to come forward after receiving a phone call two days ago. The premier said he was “naive” at the time of the incident and “didn’t understand the significance of that decision”. He said the party’s theme was “uniforms”.
yes we’re sure the persistent possibility of having something like that revealed and costing oneself the premiership could certainly cause much anxiety
I’m not particularly keen to ding some silly edgelord behaviour when they were 21.
hey everyone makes mistakes, heck even we SCIENCE were over 21 years old when we unironically laughed without sarscovasm in those original SARS-CoV-2 threads here
sarahs mum said:
Cymek said:
sarahs mum said:fn american lobbyists. show them the door.
I don’t think medical care is even affordable anymore unless all governments spend their military budget on medical care as well as it’s normal medical budget allocation
Everything is so expensive, lots of profit for sure but modern medicine isn’t cheap
the americans have one of the most expensive and most unequal health systems in the world. But they want to change everyone else.
sibeen said:
Cymek said:
sarahs mum said:fn american lobbyists. show them the door.
I don’t think medical care is even affordable anymore unless all governments spend their military budget on medical care as well as it’s normal medical budget allocation
Everything is so expensive, lots of profit for sure but modern medicine isn’t cheap
Australia spends 5 times as much on healthcare as it does on defense.
The proportion in America is more military orientated if I remember correctly.
A high-profile man charged with rape had his matter heard in a Queensland court on Wednesday.
The accused cannot be identified under Queensland law at this early stage of the legal process.
He did not appear in the Toowoomba Magistrate’s Court, prompting a rebuke from magistrate Kay Ryan.
“Why isn’t he here?” she demanded.
“He had a notice to appear.”
The man’s lawyer, Rowan King, said his client was in Tasmania and could not be present for medical reasons.
The accused has been charged with rape over an alleged incident in October 2021. This was the first time the matter passed before a court, and the man has remained on bail.
Outside court, King was surrounded by a throng of journalists as he made his way to his car. He did not answer any questions.
Unlike most other states and territories, Queensland prohibits the identification of accused rapists, even when they appear in open court, until the matter has been committed to trial.
——
https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/qld-court-hears-of-high-profile-man-charged-with-two-counts-of-rape-20230111-p5cbq7.html
dv said:
A high-profile man charged with rape had his matter heard in a Queensland court on Wednesday.The accused cannot be identified under Queensland law at this early stage of the legal process.
He did not appear in the Toowoomba Magistrate’s Court, prompting a rebuke from magistrate Kay Ryan.
“Why isn’t he here?” she demanded.
“He had a notice to appear.”
The man’s lawyer, Rowan King, said his client was in Tasmania and could not be present for medical reasons.
The accused has been charged with rape over an alleged incident in October 2021. This was the first time the matter passed before a court, and the man has remained on bail.
Outside court, King was surrounded by a throng of journalists as he made his way to his car. He did not answer any questions.
Unlike most other states and territories, Queensland prohibits the identification of accused rapists, even when they appear in open court, until the matter has been committed to trial.
——
https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/qld-court-hears-of-high-profile-man-charged-with-two-counts-of-rape-20230111-p5cbq7.html
Ah, that’s what ms was talking about yesterday.
Michael V said:
dv said:
A high-profile man charged with rape had his matter heard in a Queensland court on Wednesday.The accused cannot be identified under Queensland law at this early stage of the legal process.
He did not appear in the Toowoomba Magistrate’s Court, prompting a rebuke from magistrate Kay Ryan.
“Why isn’t he here?” she demanded.
“He had a notice to appear.”
The man’s lawyer, Rowan King, said his client was in Tasmania and could not be present for medical reasons.
The accused has been charged with rape over an alleged incident in October 2021. This was the first time the matter passed before a court, and the man has remained on bail.
Outside court, King was surrounded by a throng of journalists as he made his way to his car. He did not answer any questions.
Unlike most other states and territories, Queensland prohibits the identification of accused rapists, even when they appear in open court, until the matter has been committed to trial.
——
https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/qld-court-hears-of-high-profile-man-charged-with-two-counts-of-rape-20230111-p5cbq7.html
Ah, that’s what ms was talking about yesterday.
So it is either footballer Ariek Lual, Olympic diver Chantelle Newbery, actor Jason Statham, or Bruce Lehrmann.
Surprised that Dom Perrottet is only 40 years old. Kind of has the manner of someone who has been working on his paperclip collection for at least 40 years.
dv said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
A high-profile man charged with rape had his matter heard in a Queensland court on Wednesday.The accused cannot be identified under Queensland law at this early stage of the legal process.
He did not appear in the Toowoomba Magistrate’s Court, prompting a rebuke from magistrate Kay Ryan.
“Why isn’t he here?” she demanded.
“He had a notice to appear.”
The man’s lawyer, Rowan King, said his client was in Tasmania and could not be present for medical reasons.
The accused has been charged with rape over an alleged incident in October 2021. This was the first time the matter passed before a court, and the man has remained on bail.
Outside court, King was surrounded by a throng of journalists as he made his way to his car. He did not answer any questions.
Unlike most other states and territories, Queensland prohibits the identification of accused rapists, even when they appear in open court, until the matter has been committed to trial.
——
https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/qld-court-hears-of-high-profile-man-charged-with-two-counts-of-rape-20230111-p5cbq7.html
Ah, that’s what ms was talking about yesterday.
So it is either footballer Ariek Lual, Olympic diver Chantelle Newbery, actor Jason Statham, or Bruce Lehrmann.
Oooh!
dv said:
Surprised that Dom Perrottet is only 40 years old. Kind of has the manner of someone who has been working on his paperclip collection for at least 40 years.
He started paper-clipping very young.
Triplicates are his favourite.
dv said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
A high-profile man charged with rape had his matter heard in a Queensland court on Wednesday.The accused cannot be identified under Queensland law at this early stage of the legal process.
He did not appear in the Toowoomba Magistrate’s Court, prompting a rebuke from magistrate Kay Ryan.
“Why isn’t he here?” she demanded.
“He had a notice to appear.”
The man’s lawyer, Rowan King, said his client was in Tasmania and could not be present for medical reasons.
The accused has been charged with rape over an alleged incident in October 2021. This was the first time the matter passed before a court, and the man has remained on bail.
Outside court, King was surrounded by a throng of journalists as he made his way to his car. He did not answer any questions.
Unlike most other states and territories, Queensland prohibits the identification of accused rapists, even when they appear in open court, until the matter has been committed to trial.
——
https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/qld-court-hears-of-high-profile-man-charged-with-two-counts-of-rape-20230111-p5cbq7.html
Ah, that’s what ms was talking about yesterday.
So it is either footballer Ariek Lual, Olympic diver Chantelle Newbery, actor Jason Statham, or Bruce Lehrmann.
I meant to comment yesterday that you can read the court lists online. I sometimes check our local Mag court list to see how many of the people I know.
Victoria’s Narracan District did not go to election in 2022 due to the death of candidate Shaun Gilchrist. Instead the election will be held on 28 January 2023. It appears the ALP does not intend to contest. The seat was won 57-43 2PP last time by the Liberals and is considered safe. Probably the only possible upset would be if enough preferences from Greens/AJP etc head towards Tealish independent Tony Wolfe, but it should be noted that Independents did not do terribly well in the Vic election last year.
dv said:
Victoria’s Narracan District did not go to election in 2022 due to the death of candidate Shaun Gilchrist. Instead the election will be held on 28 January 2023. It appears the ALP does not intend to contest. The seat was won 57-43 2PP last time by the Liberals and is considered safe. Probably the only possible upset would be if enough preferences from Greens/AJP etc head towards Tealish independent Tony Wolfe, but it should be noted that Independents did not do terribly well in the Vic election last year.
Why vote for fake dictators when you can have the real thing?
“No, it’s not about politics, it’s about doing what’s [Far] Right,” he said.
he said:
No, it’s not about politics, it’s about doing what’s [Far] Right
So, what do we think of the reports in recent years of ‘far-right’ (neo-Nazi) elements attempting to infiltrate and assume control of organisations like Young Liberals and Young Nationals?
captain_spalding said:
So, what do we think of the reports in recent years of ‘far-right’ (neo-Nazi) elements attempting to infiltrate and assume control of organisations like Young Liberals and Young Nationals?
Another conspiracy.
Peak Warming Man said:
captain_spalding said:
So, what do we think of the reports in recent years of ‘far-right’ (neo-Nazi) elements attempting to infiltrate and assume control of organisations like Young Liberals and Young Nationals?
Another conspiracy.
Perhaps smoke with just a bit of fire at its base?
‘A group of 25 white nationalists covertly joined the NSW Young Nationals just before the party’s state conference in May this year. As the meeting transpired, regular members of the Nationals youth division found that motions were being introduced involving immigration control and race.
The ABC’s Background Briefing revealed this week that these alt-rightists were members of a self-professed fascist group known as The New Guard. The far-right group has a vision of infiltrating more mainstream political parties than just the Nationals.’ – https://thebigsmoke.com.au/2018/10/25/abc-reveals-white-nationalists-looking-to-infiltrate-mainstream-politics-white/
‘Young Nationals resign after after ABC investigation reveals alt-right push’
‘At least 15 members of the NSW Young Nationals have resigned following an investigation by the ABC’s Background Briefing program into an alt-right push inside the party.
They include at least four men identified in the investigation as being involved in a plot by Australia’s alt-right movement to join and influence major political parties.’ – https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-10-31/resignations-at-national-party-after-alt-right-push-exposed/10453116
captain_spalding said:
Peak Warming Man said:
captain_spalding said:
So, what do we think of the reports in recent years of ‘far-right’ (neo-Nazi) elements attempting to infiltrate and assume control of organisations like Young Liberals and Young Nationals?
Another conspiracy.
Perhaps smoke with just a bit of fire at its base?
‘A group of 25 white nationalists covertly joined the NSW Young Nationals just before the party’s state conference in May this year. As the meeting transpired, regular members of the Nationals youth division found that motions were being introduced involving immigration control and race.
The ABC’s Background Briefing revealed this week that these alt-rightists were members of a self-professed fascist group known as The New Guard. The far-right group has a vision of infiltrating more mainstream political parties than just the Nationals.’ – https://thebigsmoke.com.au/2018/10/25/abc-reveals-white-nationalists-looking-to-infiltrate-mainstream-politics-white/
‘Young Nationals resign after after ABC investigation reveals alt-right push’
‘At least 15 members of the NSW Young Nationals have resigned following an investigation by the ABC’s Background Briefing program into an alt-right push inside the party.They include at least four men identified in the investigation as being involved in a plot by Australia’s alt-right movement to join and influence major political parties.’ – https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-10-31/resignations-at-national-party-after-alt-right-push-exposed/10453116
but “infiltration” carries with it the implication that it wasn’t welcome surely
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Another conspiracy.
Perhaps smoke with just a bit of fire at its base?
‘A group of 25 white nationalists covertly joined the NSW Young Nationals just before the party’s state conference in May this year. As the meeting transpired, regular members of the Nationals youth division found that motions were being introduced involving immigration control and race.
The ABC’s Background Briefing revealed this week that these alt-rightists were members of a self-professed fascist group known as The New Guard. The far-right group has a vision of infiltrating more mainstream political parties than just the Nationals.’ – https://thebigsmoke.com.au/2018/10/25/abc-reveals-white-nationalists-looking-to-infiltrate-mainstream-politics-white/
‘Young Nationals resign after after ABC investigation reveals alt-right push’
‘At least 15 members of the NSW Young Nationals have resigned following an investigation by the ABC’s Background Briefing program into an alt-right push inside the party.They include at least four men identified in the investigation as being involved in a plot by Australia’s alt-right movement to join and influence major political parties.’ – https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-10-31/resignations-at-national-party-after-alt-right-push-exposed/10453116
but “infiltration” carries with it the implication that it wasn’t welcome surely
The seed may have been brought in surreptitiously, but it fell on fertile ground.
SCIENCE said:
he said:
No, it’s not about politics, it’s about doing what’s [Far] Right
And……………. It’s all on Facebook so I’m just forced to believe it.
SCIENCE said:
It’s outrageous!! I’m absolutely appalled. The Minister should resign and the Ambassador must be recalled.
Anyway, what else would you do with a submarine like that. You’ve got to do something with them to get a return on taxpayers money. It’s not as if it was urgently called back from sinking battleships or anything.
SCIENCE said:
Well, we all know that ‘love’ means ‘chemical imbalance in the brain’, and we do the dumbest things under its influence.
And this is certainly a very dumb thing to do.
The psychiatrist for a former state MP facing 45 charges brought by Victoria’s anti-corruption watchdog believes his client is unfit to stand trial.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-13/russell-northe-potentially-unfit-to-stand-trial/101104288
dv said:
The psychiatrist for a former state MP facing 45 charges brought by Victoria’s anti-corruption watchdog believes his client is unfit to stand trial.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-13/russell-northe-potentially-unfit-to-stand-trial/101104288
That crazy, huh?
If Russell Northe is as loopy as all that, do you think that they’ll put him in a State-run mental institution?
You know, get a look first-hand at how well the system functions there days.
captain_spalding said:
If Russell Northe is as loopy as all that, do you think that they’ll put him in a State-run mental institution?You know, get a look first-hand at how well the system functions there days.
Will there still be some way to recover the funds?
ABC News:
‘Booting Dominic Perrottet from top job could turn ‘car crash’ into ‘car wreck’
By Paige Cockburn
Despite talk of a potential leadership spill in the wake of the premier’s Nazi uniform revelation, some commentators say replacing him 11 weeks from an election could only make matters worse for the Liberal party.’
Some people might read that as being a ‘bad’ thing.
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘Booting Dominic Perrottet from top job could turn ‘car crash’ into ‘car wreck’
By Paige Cockburn
Despite talk of a potential leadership spill in the wake of the premier’s Nazi uniform revelation, some commentators say replacing him 11 weeks from an election could only make matters worse for the Liberal party.’Some people might read that as being a ‘bad’ thing.
I wonder if any photos will surface.
Bubblecar said:
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘Booting Dominic Perrottet from top job could turn ‘car crash’ into ‘car wreck’
By Paige Cockburn
Despite talk of a potential leadership spill in the wake of the premier’s Nazi uniform revelation, some commentators say replacing him 11 weeks from an election could only make matters worse for the Liberal party.’Some people might read that as being a ‘bad’ thing.
I wonder if any photos will surface.
Once the cheque-book journalists guess the right figure…
captain_spalding said:
Bubblecar said:
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:
‘Booting Dominic Perrottet from top job could turn ‘car crash’ into ‘car wreck’
By Paige Cockburn
Despite talk of a potential leadership spill in the wake of the premier’s Nazi uniform revelation, some commentators say replacing him 11 weeks from an election could only make matters worse for the Liberal party.’Some people might read that as being a ‘bad’ thing.
I wonder if any photos will surface.
Once the cheque-book journalists guess the right figure…
¡ we can’t get rid of the national socialist leaders here ¡¡ Another one might just replace them and we can’t have that when there’s alternative parties available who might not be as full of national socialists, just communist socialists ¡¡¡
SCIENCE said:
he said:
No, it’s not about politics, it’s about doing what’s [Far] Right
He’s Opus Dei! He’s one scary dude! I grew up Catholic and they are scarier than the normal child raping ones with all their enablers looking the other way.
captain_spalding said:
So, what do we think of the reports in recent years of ‘far-right’ (neo-Nazi) elements attempting to infiltrate and assume control of organisations like Young Liberals and Young Nationals?
It’s been going on for years.
ASIO has been warning of the rise of young white radicalised men for more than a decade. All Morrison did was say I don’t like how you use the word conservative or right wing it’s offensive to us.
Screw the Muslims though right hey?
And there’s no organisations (that I have heard of) like in Muslim communities they have off ramps for their vulnerable young men who could be radicalised. None of young white men, it ís an extreme worry situation. Like in America they start off with the wife beating and general domestic violence, yet another reason to engage in early intervention.
SCIENCE said:
Well I’m glad to see the Telegraph is becoming more responsible in its reporting.
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
Well I’m glad to see the Telegraph is becoming more responsible in its reporting.
soon it’ll practically be the Daily Tribune and then ¡ you’ll be sorry
LOL so what was
dear old Chris wearing at his 21st, was he dressed up as Joseph or as Josef ¿
SCIENCE said:
LOL so what was
dear old Chris wearing at his 21st, was he dressed up as Joseph or as Josef ¿
Seems like a pretty sensible response for an opposition leader.
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:LOL so what was
dear old Chris wearing at his 21st, was he dressed up as Joseph or as Josef ¿
Seems like a pretty sensible response for an opposition leader.
Agree.
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:LOL so what was
dear old Chris wearing at his 21st, was he dressed up as Joseph or as Josef ¿
Seems like a pretty sensible response for an opposition leader.
Agree.
He’s playing the grown-up, well done.
Bubblecar said:
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Seems like a pretty sensible response for an opposition leader.
Agree.
He’s playing the grown-up, well done.
well yeah it’s hard to lose the argument when the opposition selfinvokes Godwin’s law but the point is you can look like a sensible agreeable grownup and totally magnanimous while giving yourself a way out in case your own 21st uniform dress up is revealed
SCIENCE said:
Bubblecar said:
roughbarked said:
Agree.
He’s playing the grown-up, well done.
well yeah it’s hard to lose the argument when the opposition selfinvokes Godwin’s law but the point is you can look like a sensible agreeable grownup and totally magnanimous while giving yourself a way out in case your own 21st uniform dress up is revealed
Seems like the only people who want Perrottet to resign for this are his rivals in the Liberal party…
Dom’s political assassination attempt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcGDZUtPzjs
SCIENCE said:
LOL so what was
dear old Chris wearing at his 21st, was he dressed up as Joseph or as Josef ¿
“They seem hell-bent on destroying each other’s political careers,” Mr Minns said.
“If they can’t get united in the run-up to an election campaign, what hope have they got of being united if they win the election next year?
“At the end of the day, it doesn’t seem to me as though they’re a political party that’s focused on the issues affecting the people of New South Wales.”
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It is so like the Republicans.
dv said:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/jan/15/blak-greens-say-they-wont-support-indigenous-voice-without-treaty-negotiations?CMP=soc_567
Maybe a Greens-Nationals alliance will block The Voice
dv said:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/jan/15/blak-greens-say-they-wont-support-indigenous-voice-without-treaty-negotiations?CMP=soc_567Maybe a Greens-Nationals alliance will block The Voice
Can the ALP be trusted.
Here is their treaty promise.
https://vimeo.com/271802791
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/jan/15/blak-greens-say-they-wont-support-indigenous-voice-without-treaty-negotiations?CMP=soc_567Maybe a Greens-Nationals alliance will block The Voice
Can the ALP be trusted.
Here is their treaty promise.
https://vimeo.com/271802791
the normans brought pebble dashing to britain
wookiemeister said:
the normans brought pebble dashing to britain
All that guff about ‘parliament’ and nothing about pebble-dashing? It’s not right!
dv said:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/jan/15/blak-greens-say-they-wont-support-indigenous-voice-without-treaty-negotiations?CMP=soc_567Maybe a Greens-Nationals alliance will block The Voice
Typical. Demand everything, then get nothing.
wookiemeister said:
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/jan/15/blak-greens-say-they-wont-support-indigenous-voice-without-treaty-negotiations?CMP=soc_567Maybe a Greens-Nationals alliance will block The Voice
Can the ALP be trusted.
Here is their treaty promise.
https://vimeo.com/271802791
the labor party wants 16 year olds to vote – i wonder why lol
I have no problem with that. Optional, of course.
Woodie said:
wookiemeister said:
Peak Warming Man said:Can the ALP be trusted.
Here is their treaty promise.
https://vimeo.com/271802791
the labor party wants 16 year olds to vote – i wonder why lolI have no problem with that. Optional, of course.
Then we’ll end up with children running the country and end up with crazy legislation like free 600ml Oak Chocolate Milk for welfare recipients………………hang on, hang on
Peak Warming Man said:
Woodie said:
wookiemeister said:the labor party wants 16 year olds to vote – i wonder why lol
I have no problem with that. Optional, of course.
Then we’ll end up with children running the country and end up with crazy legislation like free 600ml Oak Chocolate Milk for welfare recipients………………hang on, hang on
Let 16 year olds vote, but restrict running for Federal parliament to age 40 and over.
party_pants said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Woodie said:I have no problem with that. Optional, of course.
Then we’ll end up with children running the country and end up with crazy legislation like free 600ml Oak Chocolate Milk for welfare recipients………………hang on, hang on
Let 16 year olds vote, but restrict running for Federal parliament to age 40 and over.
Be more interesting to restrict voting to age 40 and over, and all candidates must be teenagers.
Bubblecar said:
party_pants said:
Peak Warming Man said:Then we’ll end up with children running the country and end up with crazy legislation like free 600ml Oak Chocolate Milk for welfare recipients………………hang on, hang on
Let 16 year olds vote, but restrict running for Federal parliament to age 40 and over.
Be more interesting to restrict voting to age 40 and over, and all candidates must be teenagers.
Let’s wait for some other country to try it first, happy to be a later mover on that one.
Woodie said:
dv said:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/jan/15/blak-greens-say-they-wont-support-indigenous-voice-without-treaty-negotiations?CMP=soc_567Maybe a Greens-Nationals alliance will block The Voice
Typical. Demand everything, then get nothing.
… the carbon price all over again.
History repeats.
party_pants said:
Bubblecar said:
party_pants said:Let 16 year olds vote, but restrict running for Federal parliament to age 40 and over.
Be more interesting to restrict voting to age 40 and over, and all candidates must be teenagers.
Let’s wait for some other country to try it first, happy to be a later mover on that one.
No let’s go, it would put Australia on the map.
“Too young to vote, not too young to run the country – just what is going on Down Under?”
Peak Warming Man said:
Woodie said:
wookiemeister said:the labor party wants 16 year olds to vote – i wonder why lol
I have no problem with that. Optional, of course.
Then we’ll end up with children running the country and end up with crazy legislation like free 600ml Oak Chocolate Milk for welfare recipients………………hang on, hang on
party_pants said:
Woodie said:
dv said:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/jan/15/blak-greens-say-they-wont-support-indigenous-voice-without-treaty-negotiations?CMP=soc_567Maybe a Greens-Nationals alliance will block The Voice
Typical. Demand everything, then get nothing.
… the carbon price all over again.
History repeats.
Yep, the enemy of the good is the perfect.
party_pants said:
Woodie said:
dv said:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/jan/15/blak-greens-say-they-wont-support-indigenous-voice-without-treaty-negotiations?CMP=soc_567Maybe a Greens-Nationals alliance will block The Voice
Typical. Demand everything, then get nothing.
… the carbon price all over again.
History repeats.
Avery somber Roger Humphries introducing History Repeating.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzLT6_TQmq8
sibeen said:
Yep, the enemy of the good is the perfect.
I’m going to use that :)
party_pants said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Woodie said:I have no problem with that. Optional, of course.
Then we’ll end up with children running the country and end up with crazy legislation like free 600ml Oak Chocolate Milk for welfare recipients………………hang on, hang on
Let 16 year olds vote, but restrict running for Federal parliament to age 40 and over.
only 16 years should be in parliament – they are young , dynamic subset just raring to get out there and make their mark on the world. 250,000 tax free, free car. they do one term in parliament then move on to a job in a corporation they gave the go ahead for billions of dollars of gov contracts.
remember – children are the future.
for what its worth only allow 16 year olds to vote that should speed things up no end
make sure you legalise ALL drugs as well
wookiemeister said:
party_pants said:
Peak Warming Man said:Then we’ll end up with children running the country and end up with crazy legislation like free 600ml Oak Chocolate Milk for welfare recipients………………hang on, hang on
Let 16 year olds vote, but restrict running for Federal parliament to age 40 and over.
noonly 16 years should be in parliament – they are young , dynamic subset just raring to get out there and make their mark on the world. 250,000 tax free, free car. they do one term in parliament then move on to a job in a corporation they gave the go ahead for billions of dollars of gov contracts.
remember – children are the future.
for what its worth only allow 16 year olds to vote that should speed things up no end
Yes, a free car for the first year.
Peak Warming Man said:
Yes, a free car for the first year.
That should whittle their numbers down fairly quickly.
Peak Warming Man said:
wookiemeister said:
party_pants said:Let 16 year olds vote, but restrict running for Federal parliament to age 40 and over.
noonly 16 years should be in parliament – they are young , dynamic subset just raring to get out there and make their mark on the world. 250,000 tax free, free car. they do one term in parliament then move on to a job in a corporation they gave the go ahead for billions of dollars of gov contracts.
remember – children are the future.
for what its worth only allow 16 year olds to vote that should speed things up no end
Yes, a free car for the first year.
get rid of rego and any form of insurance – outlaw it if necessary
it will be glorious
you’d just bump up taxes to 50 percent
everything is common property
locks would need to be removed from doors or any kind of barricading.
OMG
YOU“D MAKE MACDONALDS FREE to anyone under 20
wookiemeister said:
you’d just bump up taxes to 50 percenteverything is common property
locks would need to be removed from doors or any kind of barricading.
OMG
YOU“D MAKE MACDONALDS FREE to anyone under 20
It would be utopian sunlit upland.
Peak Warming Man said:
wookiemeister said:
you’d just bump up taxes to 50 percenteverything is common property
locks would need to be removed from doors or any kind of barricading.
OMG
YOU“D MAKE MACDONALDS FREE to anyone under 20
It would be utopian sunlit upland.
wookiemeister said:
you’d just bump up taxes to 50 percenteverything is common property
locks would need to be removed from doors or any kind of barricading.
OMG
YOU“D MAKE MACDONALDS FREE to anyone under 20
Make it free for any age.
It would be interesting to see how far the obesity figures would go up to.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-15/federal-government-investigating-land-clearing-nt/101852502
Federal environment department investigating allegations of unlawful Northern Territory land clearing
The federal government is investigating potentially unlawful land clearing in the Northern Territory, where satellite images obtained by the ABC suggest swathes of unique savanna have been flattened to make way for a cotton industry
Officials declined to say when the investigation was first launched, but the probe was confirmed following an investigation by the ABC’s 7.30 this week.
A spokesperson from the federal environment department said it was working with the NT government “to determine whether activities are compliant with the Environment Protection and Biodiversity Conservation (EPBC) Act, as well as the relevant territory legislation”.
Substantial penalties apply for land clearing without approval in the case of significant impacts on threatened species.
Individuals can be fined almost $1.5 million dollars, while sanctions for corporations reach as high as $13.75 million and up to seven years’ imprisonment.
Environment Minister Tanya Plibersek said the reports of extensive land clearing in the NT are “very concerning”.
An NT government spokesperson said the federal government had previously “sought advice” on the clearing approval for one of properties investigated by the ABC, following a complaint they received from Environment Centre NT”.
“The federal department has not advised the NT government of any additional or new investigations,” the spokesperson said.
This week, Greens senator Sarah Hanson-Young called on the federal government to launch an urgent inquiry into the allegations, citing “deep concern” over the lack of response from the NT government and the regulations currently in place.
“The NT government has so far failed to regulate and is instead paving the way for a huge expansion of the cotton industry in this fragile ecosystem,” she said in a letter sent to Ms Plibersek.
The calls have been backed by Independent senator David Pocock.
But green groups are now raising questions over the breadth of the investigation and why action wasn’t taken sooner.
The Environment Centre NT director Kirsty Howey said that while she welcomed the investigation, the slow response was disappointing.
Multiple attempts to alert the government of clearing without a permit at three cotton stations were ignored, she said.
“Minister Plibersek’s investigation needs to be far wider in scope. 7.30 revealed a complete failure of regulation by the NT government that raises serious questions about its capacity to regulate and its relationship with the cotton industry,” she said
Ms Howey said the cleared land is the likely habitat for the threatened Gouldian finch, the ghost bat, the partridge pigeon, and five other threatened species listed under the EPBC Act.
“It’s absolutely a matter for federal scrutiny given the Albanese government’s commitment to halt the extinction crisis engulfing Australia,” she said.
Since a ban on cotton was lifted in the NT in 2018, industry proponents and the NT government have repeatedly claimed cotton would be good for the economy and create jobs.
In 2020, a study commissioned by the NT Farmers Association and financed by the NT government found that a cotton industry in the NT has the potential to contribute $200m to the NT economy, and generate 91 direct and indirect jobs across the territory.
But the Australia Institute says its new study shows these assertions don’t add up.
Research director Rod Campbell said Census data from the Australian Bureau of Statistics shows cotton growing employs just 1,121 people nation-wide.
And it doesn’t pay very much tax.
“Minister Manison has said she’s left and I quote, ‘scratching her head’ about opposition to agricultural developments like cotton in the NT, and urges people to look for the benefits,” Mr Campbell said.
“That’s exactly what we’ve done here, we’ve looked for the benefits.”
“What is the potential employment? Very low. What are the potential tax payments and revenue implications for the NT government? Near zero or negative.
“If the NT government insists on subsidising the cotton industry by giving away water and potentially funding infrastructure, I just call it bad economic policy and bad environmental policy.”
Michael Murray, the general manager of Cotton Australia said the cotton industry does generate economic activity and a “lot of extra employment”, and has cast doubt over what he described as “selective” census data.
The ABC reached out to both the NT Farmers Association chief executive Paul Burke and Bruce Connolly, the president of the Northern Cotton Growers Association, but both declined to comment.
Mr Campbell said that while its hard to predict exactly what could happen in the NT, he pointed to the Ord Scheme in Western Australia, where millions have been spent on expansion by both the federal and state government.
“The WA auditor general found that created around 60 jobs. We’re talking millions of dollars per job,” he said.
“I’m certainly not against the farming of cotton in Australia … But this is a bit of a different situation.
“If the NT is looking to create agricultural jobs, they should be looking at just about any other sector of agriculture.”
Tau.Neutrino said:
wookiemeister said:
you’d just bump up taxes to 50 percenteverything is common property
locks would need to be removed from doors or any kind of barricading.
OMG
YOU“D MAKE MACDONALDS FREE to anyone under 20
Make it free for any age.
It would be interesting to see how far the obesity figures would go up to.
you’d save a fortune on pensions
dv said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-15/federal-government-investigating-land-clearing-nt/101852502Federal environment department investigating allegations of unlawful Northern Territory land clearing
The federal government is investigating potentially unlawful land clearing in the Northern Territory, where satellite images obtained by the ABC suggest swathes of unique savanna have been flattened to make way for a cotton industry
Officials declined to say when the investigation was first launched, but the probe was confirmed following an investigation by the ABC’s 7.30 this week.
A spokesperson from the federal environment department said it was working with the NT government “to determine whether activities are compliant with the Environment Protection and Biodiversity Conservation (EPBC) Act, as well as the relevant territory legislation”.
Substantial penalties apply for land clearing without approval in the case of significant impacts on threatened species.
Individuals can be fined almost $1.5 million dollars, while sanctions for corporations reach as high as $13.75 million and up to seven years’ imprisonment.
Environment Minister Tanya Plibersek said the reports of extensive land clearing in the NT are “very concerning”.
An NT government spokesperson said the federal government had previously “sought advice” on the clearing approval for one of properties investigated by the ABC, following a complaint they received from Environment Centre NT”.
“The federal department has not advised the NT government of any additional or new investigations,” the spokesperson said.
This week, Greens senator Sarah Hanson-Young called on the federal government to launch an urgent inquiry into the allegations, citing “deep concern” over the lack of response from the NT government and the regulations currently in place.
“The NT government has so far failed to regulate and is instead paving the way for a huge expansion of the cotton industry in this fragile ecosystem,” she said in a letter sent to Ms Plibersek.
The calls have been backed by Independent senator David Pocock.
But green groups are now raising questions over the breadth of the investigation and why action wasn’t taken sooner.
The Environment Centre NT director Kirsty Howey said that while she welcomed the investigation, the slow response was disappointing.
Multiple attempts to alert the government of clearing without a permit at three cotton stations were ignored, she said.
“Minister Plibersek’s investigation needs to be far wider in scope. 7.30 revealed a complete failure of regulation by the NT government that raises serious questions about its capacity to regulate and its relationship with the cotton industry,” she said
Ms Howey said the cleared land is the likely habitat for the threatened Gouldian finch, the ghost bat, the partridge pigeon, and five other threatened species listed under the EPBC Act.
“It’s absolutely a matter for federal scrutiny given the Albanese government’s commitment to halt the extinction crisis engulfing Australia,” she said.
Since a ban on cotton was lifted in the NT in 2018, industry proponents and the NT government have repeatedly claimed cotton would be good for the economy and create jobs.
In 2020, a study commissioned by the NT Farmers Association and financed by the NT government found that a cotton industry in the NT has the potential to contribute $200m to the NT economy, and generate 91 direct and indirect jobs across the territory.
But the Australia Institute says its new study shows these assertions don’t add up.
Research director Rod Campbell said Census data from the Australian Bureau of Statistics shows cotton growing employs just 1,121 people nation-wide.
And it doesn’t pay very much tax.
“Minister Manison has said she’s left and I quote, ‘scratching her head’ about opposition to agricultural developments like cotton in the NT, and urges people to look for the benefits,” Mr Campbell said.
“That’s exactly what we’ve done here, we’ve looked for the benefits.”
“What is the potential employment? Very low. What are the potential tax payments and revenue implications for the NT government? Near zero or negative.
“If the NT government insists on subsidising the cotton industry by giving away water and potentially funding infrastructure, I just call it bad economic policy and bad environmental policy.”
Michael Murray, the general manager of Cotton Australia said the cotton industry does generate economic activity and a “lot of extra employment”, and has cast doubt over what he described as “selective” census data.
The ABC reached out to both the NT Farmers Association chief executive Paul Burke and Bruce Connolly, the president of the Northern Cotton Growers Association, but both declined to comment.
Mr Campbell said that while its hard to predict exactly what could happen in the NT, he pointed to the Ord Scheme in Western Australia, where millions have been spent on expansion by both the federal and state government.
“The WA auditor general found that created around 60 jobs. We’re talking millions of dollars per job,” he said.
“I’m certainly not against the farming of cotton in Australia … But this is a bit of a different situation.
“If the NT is looking to create agricultural jobs, they should be looking at just about any other sector of agriculture.”
Stop scratching your self’s and think start thinking about the other sectors.
hang on
you’d have a minister for macdonalds
you’d download an app that tracked your attendances at mcdonalds/ home delivery
you’d close the supermarkets to make sure people aren’t eating anything else
wookiemeister said:
hang onyou’d have a minister for macdonalds
you’d download an app that tracked your attendances at mcdonalds/ home delivery
you’d close the supermarkets to make sure people aren’t eating anything else
you’re just being silly now
wookiemeister said:
hang onyou’d have a minister for macdonalds
you’d download an app that tracked your attendances at mcdonalds/ home delivery
you’d close the supermarkets to make sure people aren’t eating anything else
The Chinese have already done this.
party_pants said:
wookiemeister said:
hang onyou’d have a minister for macdonalds
you’d download an app that tracked your attendances at mcdonalds/ home delivery
you’d close the supermarkets to make sure people aren’t eating anything else
you’re just being silly now
party_pants said:
wookiemeister said:
hang onyou’d have a minister for macdonalds
you’d download an app that tracked your attendances at mcdonalds/ home delivery
you’d close the supermarkets to make sure people aren’t eating anything else
you’re just being silly now
Isn’t that always the case?
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:
wookiemeister said:
hang onyou’d have a minister for macdonalds
you’d download an app that tracked your attendances at mcdonalds/ home delivery
you’d close the supermarkets to make sure people aren’t eating anything else
you’re just being silly now
Isn’t that always the case?
I think the correct term is ‘manic’.
McDonalds aren’t the threat to public health that they used to be.
If their burgers keep shrinking at the current rate, they’ll soon have to be included in lists of sub-atomic particles.
Witty Rejoinder said:
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:you’re just being silly now
Isn’t that always the case?
I think the correct term is ‘manic’.
There is quite a bit of it around this forum.
Witty Rejoinder said:
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:you’re just being silly now
Isn’t that always the case?
I think the correct term is ‘manic’.
That seems fitting.
buffy said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
roughbarked said:Isn’t that always the case?
I think the correct term is ‘manic’.
There is quite a bit of it around this forum.
Maybe it is the holiday mania?
Witty Rejoinder said:
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:you’re just being silly now
Isn’t that always the case?
I think the correct term is ‘manic’.
Nods.
buffy said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
roughbarked said:Isn’t that always the case?
I think the correct term is ‘manic’.
There is quite a bit of it around this forum.
I secretly want a list from everyone listing the people they thing are maniacs/weird/idiots in order form most to least.. I think it would be a very interesting study
Arts said:
buffy said:
Witty Rejoinder said:I think the correct term is ‘manic’.
There is quite a bit of it around this forum.
I secretly want a list from everyone listing the people they thing are maniacs/weird/idiots in order form most to least.. I think it would be a very interesting study
Mollwollfumble:
Arts said:
buffy said:
Witty Rejoinder said:I think the correct term is ‘manic’.
There is quite a bit of it around this forum.
I secretly want a list from everyone listing the people they thing are maniacs/weird/idiots in order form most to least.. I think it would be a very interesting study
Do you also want to know who has prescriptions for medication, and further to that, who actually takes their medication?
buffy said:
Arts said:
buffy said:There is quite a bit of it around this forum.
I secretly want a list from everyone listing the people they thing are maniacs/weird/idiots in order form most to least.. I think it would be a very interesting study
Do you also want to know who has prescriptions for medication, and further to that, who actually takes their medication?
It will be a rigorous study.
buffy said:
Arts said:
buffy said:There is quite a bit of it around this forum.
I secretly want a list from everyone listing the people they thing are maniacs/weird/idiots in order form most to least.. I think it would be a very interesting study
Do you also want to know who has prescriptions for medication, and further to that, who actually takes their medication?
don’t complicate the study just yet…
Arts said:
buffy said:
Arts said:I secretly want a list from everyone listing the people they thing are maniacs/weird/idiots in order form most to least.. I think it would be a very interesting study
Do you also want to know who has prescriptions for medication, and further to that, who actually takes their medication?
don’t complicate the study just yet…
Statistical analysis can come later.
Arts said:
buffy said:
Arts said:I secretly want a list from everyone listing the people they thing are maniacs/weird/idiots in order form most to least.. I think it would be a very interesting study
Do you also want to know who has prescriptions for medication, and further to that, who actually takes their medication?
don’t complicate the study just yet…
we should also include height as short people have more psychological problems than tall people.
maybe just a list of people and the participants form the forum can rank them from most sane to most insane..
what is your perception of…
please rank in order from most to least based on your understanding of them..
Bogsnorkler said:
Arts said:
buffy said:Do you also want to know who has prescriptions for medication, and further to that, who actually takes their medication?
don’t complicate the study just yet…
we should also include height as short people have more psychological problems than tall people.
I can see your bias…
buffy said:
Arts said:
buffy said:There is quite a bit of it around this forum.
I secretly want a list from everyone listing the people they thing are maniacs/weird/idiots in order form most to least.. I think it would be a very interesting study
Do you also want to know who has prescriptions for medication, and further to that, who actually takes their medication?
Coffee drinkers and how much coffee they consume.
Arts said:
maybe just a list of people and the participants form the forum can rank them from most sane to most insane..what is your perception of…
please rank in order from most to least based on your understanding of them..
I’m not a psychological professional. There are people here who have spoken openly about their mental health troubles and I don’t wamt to add to their woes by turning it into a competition.
Tau.Neutrino said:
buffy said:
Arts said:I secretly want a list from everyone listing the people they thing are maniacs/weird/idiots in order form most to least.. I think it would be a very interesting study
Do you also want to know who has prescriptions for medication, and further to that, who actually takes their medication?
Coffee drinkers and how much coffee they consume.
no no you are complicating this.. it is opinion based and observational and the point is to show that people’s perception of mania/idiocy/weirdness differs greatly… because I kind of like Boris, yet some here would put him very high on at least one of the lists… that sort of thing
dv said:
Arts said:
maybe just a list of people and the participants form the forum can rank them from most sane to most insane..what is your perception of…
please rank in order from most to least based on your understanding of them..
I’m not a psychological professional. There are people here who have spoken openly about their mental health troubles and I don’t wamt to add to their woes by turning it into a competition.
what if I offer a coffee voucher ?
Arts said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
buffy said:Do you also want to know who has prescriptions for medication, and further to that, who actually takes their medication?
Coffee drinkers and how much coffee they consume.
no no you are complicating this.. it is opinion based and observational and the point is to show that people’s perception of mania/idiocy/weirdness differs greatly… because I kind of like Boris, yet some here would put him very high on at least one of the lists… that sort of thing
ok.
dv said:
Arts said:
maybe just a list of people and the participants form the forum can rank them from most sane to most insane..what is your perception of…
please rank in order from most to least based on your understanding of them..
I’m not a psychological professional. There are people here who have spoken openly about their mental health troubles and I don’t wamt to add to their woes by turning it into a competition.
+1
Arts said:
dv said:
Arts said:
maybe just a list of people and the participants form the forum can rank them from most sane to most insane..what is your perception of…
please rank in order from most to least based on your understanding of them..
I’m not a psychological professional. There are people here who have spoken openly about their mental health troubles and I don’t wamt to add to their woes by turning it into a competition.
what if I offer a coffee voucher ?
Sounds like too much effort.
Arts said:
dv said:
Arts said:
maybe just a list of people and the participants form the forum can rank them from most sane to most insane..what is your perception of…
please rank in order from most to least based on your understanding of them..
I’m not a psychological professional. There are people here who have spoken openly about their mental health troubles and I don’t wamt to add to their woes by turning it into a competition.
what if I offer a coffee voucher ?
Okay well obv number 1 is sibeen, that mf should have someone marching in front of him ringing a bell
party_pants said:
Arts said:
dv said:I’m not a psychological professional. There are people here who have spoken openly about their mental health troubles and I don’t wamt to add to their woes by turning it into a competition.
what if I offer a coffee voucher ?
Sounds like too much effort.
Too much coffee can lead to too much talking after which tiredness can set in.
again, This is not a people airing their mental health woes.. this is a study in perception, based on text interaction alone… of course I could not publish anything, because then people can possibly be hurt… which is why I started the whole thing with ‘secretly’.
although I could in the results create pseudonyms for the subjects…
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Arts said:
maybe just a list of people and the participants form the forum can rank them from most sane to most insane..what is your perception of…
please rank in order from most to least based on your understanding of them..
I’m not a psychological professional. There are people here who have spoken openly about their mental health troubles and I don’t wamt to add to their woes by turning it into a competition.
+1
surprise surprise.
dv said:
Arts said:
dv said:I’m not a psychological professional. There are people here who have spoken openly about their mental health troubles and I don’t wamt to add to their woes by turning it into a competition.
what if I offer a coffee voucher ?
Okay well obv number 1 is sibeen, that mf should have someone marching in front of him ringing a bell
save it for the survey, bud.
Arts said:
again, This is not a people airing their mental health woes.. this is a study in perception, based on text interaction alone… of course I could not publish anything, because then people can possibly be hurt… which is why I started the whole thing with ‘secretly’.although I could in the results create pseudonyms for the subjects…
Okay then I would still say I dunno.
Arts said:
again, This is not a people airing their mental health woes.. this is a study in perception, based on text interaction alone… of course I could not publish anything, because then people can possibly be hurt… which is why I started the whole thing with ‘secretly’.although I could in the results create pseudonyms for the subjects…
That will probably get you nowhere.
dv said:
Arts said:
dv said:I’m not a psychological professional. There are people here who have spoken openly about their mental health troubles and I don’t wamt to add to their woes by turning it into a competition.
what if I offer a coffee voucher ?
Okay well obv number 1 is sibeen, that mf should have someone marching in front of him ringing a bell
lol
Peak Warming Man said:
Arts said:
again, This is not a people airing their mental health woes.. this is a study in perception, based on text interaction alone… of course I could not publish anything, because then people can possibly be hurt… which is why I started the whole thing with ‘secretly’.although I could in the results create pseudonyms for the subjects…
That will probably get you nowhere.
true.. fine… now what do I do with all these coffee vouchers?
Arts said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Arts said:
again, This is not a people airing their mental health woes.. this is a study in perception, based on text interaction alone… of course I could not publish anything, because then people can possibly be hurt… which is why I started the whole thing with ‘secretly’.although I could in the results create pseudonyms for the subjects…
That will probably get you nowhere.
true.. fine… now what do I do with all these coffee vouchers?
Wookie might take them to motivate his B52 pilots.
fucking hell are there even any psychiatrists here or is everyone just a pre 2010 psychologist in this damn place
also
STEMocracy
there, that’s the actual solution
Tau.Neutrino said:
Arts said:
Peak Warming Man said:That will probably get you nowhere.
true.. fine… now what do I do with all these coffee vouchers?
Wookie might take them to motivate his B52 pilots.
Those B52’s can get very cold up flying up at that height so a good cup of hot coffee can go down well.
SCIENCE said:
fucking hell are there even any psychiatrists here or is everyone just a pre 2010 psychologist in this damn place
I wish I was a 1960’s psychologist.. their ethics board could be bought with a rock lobster and a six pack
SCIENCE said:
also
STEMocracy
there, that’s the actual solution
I think that is already called Technocracy.
dv said:
Maybe a Greens-Nationals alliance will block The Voice
miles* apart
*: because do either actually live in the SI epoch
dv said:
Arts said:
maybe just a list of people and the participants form the forum can rank them from most sane to most insane..what is your perception of…
please rank in order from most to least based on your understanding of them..
I’m not a psychological professional. There are people here who have spoken openly about their mental health troubles and I don’t wamt to add to their woes by turning it into a competition.
makes crazy motion
Arts said:
SCIENCE said:
fucking hell are there even any psychiatrists here or is everyone just a pre 2010 psychologist in this damn place
I wish I was a 1960’s psychologist.. their ethics board could be bought with a rock lobster and a six pack
Which ties in nicely with the B52 discussion
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:
also
STEMocracy
there, that’s the actual solution
I think that is already called Technocracy.
not quite, NTATE says
Technocracy is a form of government in which the decision-maker or makers are selected based on their expertise in a given area of responsibility, particularly with regard to scientific or technical knowledge.
whereas STEMocracy is a form of government where the decisions are selected based on Scientific, Technological, Mathematical, and Engineering analysis, and in particular without regard to nominal arbitrary human decision makers
Arts said:
again, This is not a people airing their mental health woes.. this is a study in perception, based on text interaction alone… of course I could not publish anything, because then people can possibly be hurt… which is why I started the whole thing with ‘secretly’.although I could in the results create pseudonyms for the subjects…
Let’s say T*** P… no T P****.
Arts said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:I’m not a psychological professional. There are people here who have spoken openly about their mental health troubles and I don’t wamt to add to their woes by turning it into a competition.
+1
surprise surprise.
Some people just like to do amateur psychiatric assessments of others and fling shit at them.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Arts said:
again, This is not a people airing their mental health woes.. this is a study in perception, based on text interaction alone… of course I could not publish anything, because then people can possibly be hurt… which is why I started the whole thing with ‘secretly’.although I could in the results create pseudonyms for the subjects…
Let’s say T*** P… no T P****.
heh…
Arts said:
again, This is not a people airing their mental health woes.. this is a study in perception, based on text interaction alone… of course I could not publish anything, because then people can possibly be hurt… which is why I started the whole thing with ‘secretly’.
although I could in the results create pseudonyms for the subjects…
why not just ask ChatGPT then
dv said:
Arts said:
SCIENCE said:
fucking hell are there even any psychiatrists here or is everyone just a pre 2010 psychologist in this damn place
I wish I was a 1960’s psychologist.. their ethics board could be bought with a rock lobster and a six pack
Which ties in nicely with the B52 discussion
I heard Wookie was going to install wood heaters in the B52’s to keep everyone warm.
Hot coffee is better.
SCIENCE said:
Arts said:
again, This is not a people airing their mental health woes.. this is a study in perception, based on text interaction alone… of course I could not publish anything, because then people can possibly be hurt… which is why I started the whole thing with ‘secretly’.
although I could in the results create pseudonyms for the subjects…
why not just ask ChatGPT then
as an educator I was thinking of using that to create some lessons…
Arts said:
SCIENCE said:
fucking hell are there even any psychiatrists here or is everyone just a pre 2010 psychologist in this damn place
I wish I was a 1960’s psychologist.. their ethics board could be bought with a rock lobster and a six pack
They had serious issues back then what with drugs and the bomb
https://www.google.com/search?q=rock+lobster&oq=rock+lobster&aqs=edge..69i57j0i20i263i512j0i512l6j69i64.4846j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:24605c85,vid:szhJzX0UgDM
dv said:
Arts said:
SCIENCE said:
fucking hell are there even any psychiatrists here or is everyone just a pre 2010 psychologist in this damn place
I wish I was a 1960’s psychologist.. their ethics board could be bought with a rock lobster and a six pack
Which ties in nicely with the B52 discussion
Few will get that one.
There are people here who dislike me but they’re easy enough to ignore, along with the obvious trolls like wookie and Arts.
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
Arts said:I wish I was a 1960’s psychologist.. their ethics board could be bought with a rock lobster and a six pack
Which ties in nicely with the B52 discussion
Few will get that one.
I hope not.
Bubblecar said:
There are people here who dislike me but they’re easy enough to ignore, along with the obvious trolls like wookie and Arts.
Jesus… just because I called you out when you bully people because you don’t get things your way… calm down dude.
Arts said:
Bubblecar said:
There are people here who dislike me but they’re easy enough to ignore, along with the obvious trolls like wookie and Arts.Jesus… just because I called you out when you bully people because you don’t get things your way… calm down dude.
too late arts, you’re on The List.
Arts said:
Bubblecar said:
There are people here who dislike me but they’re easy enough to ignore, along with the obvious trolls like wookie and Arts.Jesus… just because I called you out when you bully people because you don’t get things your way… calm down dude.
You are now bullying, for example, sarahs mum. Who is on a disability pension for psychiatric problems and is unlikely to find your “humour” amusing.
And calling for the removal of a nazi troll like wookie is not “bullying”, you laughable naïf.
Bubblecar said:
Arts said:
Bubblecar said:
There are people here who dislike me but they’re easy enough to ignore, along with the obvious trolls like wookie and Arts.Jesus… just because I called you out when you bully people because you don’t get things your way… calm down dude.
You are now bullying, for example, sarahs mum. Who is on a disability pension for psychiatric problems and is unlikely to find your “humour” amusing.
And calling for the removal of a nazi troll like wookie is not “bullying”, you laughable naïf.
In Arts actual albeit comedic proposal SM would achieve a stellar result for likability and conscientiousness so would have little to fear.
Bubblecar said:
Arts said:
Bubblecar said:
There are people here who dislike me but they’re easy enough to ignore, along with the obvious trolls like wookie and Arts.Jesus… just because I called you out when you bully people because you don’t get things your way… calm down dude.
You are now bullying, for example, sarahs mum. Who is on a disability pension for psychiatric problems and is unlikely to find your “humour” amusing.
And calling for the removal of a nazi troll like wookie is not “bullying”, you laughable naïf.
I don’t know why you even care what I think.. or say.. I’m just a fair-weather friend remember?
we can leave this at that, because we will clearly never reach an agreement and I can’t be bothered.
Id like to see the leader of the opposition keep a straight face while having a bong in parliament.
I bet he cant do it.
In fact he would be interesting to the reactions of all of them having a bong.
Bubblecar said:
Arts said:
Bubblecar said:
There are people here who dislike me but they’re easy enough to ignore, along with the obvious trolls like wookie and Arts.Jesus… just because I called you out when you bully people because you don’t get things your way… calm down dude.
You are now bullying, for example, sarahs mum. Who is on a disability pension for psychiatric problems and is unlikely to find your “humour” amusing.
And calling for the removal of a nazi troll like wookie is not “bullying”, you laughable naïf.
You bullied me as I am dealing through the worst shit of my life, you sick piece of shit.
Edit my previous post as needed, it is late and I am typing sideways on my tablet as I try to sleep but the neighbour’s car alarm keeps going off.
dv said:
Arts said:
SCIENCE said:
fucking hell are there even any psychiatrists here or is everyone just a pre 2010 psychologist in this damn place
I wish I was a 1960’s psychologist.. their ethics board could be bought with a rock lobster and a six pack
Which ties in nicely with the B52 discussion
Yes and policemen were selected on chest size and height.
Arts said:
buffy said:
Witty Rejoinder said:I think the correct term is ‘manic’.
There is quite a bit of it around this forum.
I secretly want a list from everyone listing the people they thing are maniacs/weird/idiots in order form most to least.. I think it would be a very interesting study
If it is to be secret, how do we deliver this data to you?
Arts said:
again, This is not a people airing their mental health woes.. this is a study in perception, based on text interaction alone… of course I could not publish anything, because then people can possibly be hurt… which is why I started the whole thing with ‘secretly’.although I could in the results create pseudonyms for the subjects…
I reckon you could write the report based on what you have seen of us so far. All you’ll need to do is slip a few surreptitious questions in without us being aware of what you were seeking.
roughbarked said:
Arts said:
buffy said:There is quite a bit of it around this forum.
I secretly want a list from everyone listing the people they thing are maniacs/weird/idiots in order form most to least.. I think it would be a very interesting study
If it is to be secret, how do we deliver this data to you?
keep reading, but don;‘t misinterpret the intention like others did..
Witty Rejoinder said:
Bubblecar said:
Arts said:Jesus… just because I called you out when you bully people because you don’t get things your way… calm down dude.
You are now bullying, for example, sarahs mum. Who is on a disability pension for psychiatric problems and is unlikely to find your “humour” amusing.
And calling for the removal of a nazi troll like wookie is not “bullying”, you laughable naïf.
In Arts actual albeit comedic proposal SM would achieve a stellar result for likability and conscientiousness so would have little to fear.
i think I’ll take that as a compliment.
https://theaimn.com/the-liberal-party-is-dead-can-it-be-revived/
The Liberal Party is dead: can it be revived?
To read RJ Southey and CJ Puplick’s essay defining Liberal Thinking from 1980 is to mourn an Australia where Capital could engage with Government and the Worker in a far more nuanced and thoughtful way. The Liberal party they espouse is one that their ideological offspring killed stone dead.
Milton Friedman’s American definition of the interests of capital came to infest the Australian party, the “thinktanks” that fed it, and the corporate media that shaped the party as well as propagandised for it.
To argue that government is the enemy is to serve the tiny donor class; it wants government crippled so that regulation and programs that require tax funding can both be eliminated. We have seen the result of ideologues who embraced ultra free market libertarianism trying to enact these ideas in our governments. The damage shows in the growing chasm between rich and poor in our nations; in the crushing of the middle class; in the surging fury of masses irate at the death of hope, now harnessed by populist-nativist grifters.
The capitalists reveal repeatedly that without regulation too many of them will act without scruple. The fact that human civilisation is plunging towards existential crisis without concerted action to cushion the collapse is only the most dramatic example. We have had decades since Maggie Thatcher and George HW Bush discussed global warming as uncontroversial to steer away from carbon-based energy production. Instead we only mired ourselves in the tribal divisions that the lobbyists created, despite the fact that deaths and displacement have begun.
dv said:
https://theaimn.com/the-liberal-party-is-dead-can-it-be-revived/The Liberal Party is dead: can it be revived?
To read RJ Southey and CJ Puplick’s essay defining Liberal Thinking from 1980 is to mourn an Australia where Capital could engage with Government and the Worker in a far more nuanced and thoughtful way. The Liberal party they espouse is one that their ideological offspring killed stone dead.
Milton Friedman’s American definition of the interests of capital came to infest the Australian party, the “thinktanks” that fed it, and the corporate media that shaped the party as well as propagandised for it.
To argue that government is the enemy is to serve the tiny donor class; it wants government crippled so that regulation and programs that require tax funding can both be eliminated. We have seen the result of ideologues who embraced ultra free market libertarianism trying to enact these ideas in our governments. The damage shows in the growing chasm between rich and poor in our nations; in the crushing of the middle class; in the surging fury of masses irate at the death of hope, now harnessed by populist-nativist grifters.
The capitalists reveal repeatedly that without regulation too many of them will act without scruple. The fact that human civilisation is plunging towards existential crisis without concerted action to cushion the collapse is only the most dramatic example. We have had decades since Maggie Thatcher and George HW Bush discussed global warming as uncontroversial to steer away from carbon-based energy production. Instead we only mired ourselves in the tribal divisions that the lobbyists created, despite the fact that deaths and displacement have begun.
We need to learn what global village means.
Bogsnorkler said:
Arts said:
Bubblecar said:
There are people here who dislike me but they’re easy enough to ignore, along with the obvious trolls like wookie and Arts.
Jesus… just because I called you out when you bully people because you don’t get things your way… calm down dude.
too late arts, you’re on The List.
we mean we dislike everyone and have obviously been trolling for years if not decades so what gives
SCIENCE said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Arts said:
Jesus… just because I called you out when you bully people because you don’t get things your way… calm down dude.
too late arts, you’re on The List.
we mean we dislike everyone and have obviously been trolling for years if not decades so what gives
Yeah but we know you’re a bot
I think one of the responsibilities of governments is to keep the robber barons at bay. Good regulations and accountability can achieve most of this.
Bogsnorkler said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:Which ties in nicely with the B52 discussion
Few will get that one.
I hope not.
I did. For once.
Michael V said:
I think one of the responsibilities of governments is to keep the robber barons at bay. Good regulations and accountability can achieve most of this.
And the very wealth and privilege of would-be anarcho-capitalists are protected by the legal systems and due process instituted by governments they would gladly do away with.
SCIENCE said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Arts said:
Jesus… just because I called you out when you bully people because you don’t get things your way… calm down dude.
too late arts, you’re on The List.
we mean we dislike everyone and have obviously been trolling for years if not decades so what gives
look according to my latest student pole responses I am simultaneously the best and worst lecturer ever, so this should make everyone happy…
Arts said:
SCIENCE said:Bogsnorkler said:
too late arts, you’re on The List.
we mean we dislike everyone and have obviously been trolling for years if not decades so what gives
look according to my latest student pole responses I am simultaneously the best and worst lecturer ever, so this should make everyone happy…
poll… haha.
Arts said:
Arts said:
SCIENCE said:we mean we dislike everyone and have obviously been trolling for years if not decades so what gives
look according to my latest student pole responses I am simultaneously the best and worst lecturer ever, so this should make everyone happy…
poll… haha.
you read too many of PWM posts.
Arts said:
roughbarked said:
Arts said:I secretly want a list from everyone listing the people they thing are maniacs/weird/idiots in order form most to least.. I think it would be a very interesting study
If it is to be secret, how do we deliver this data to you?
keep reading, but don;‘t misinterpret the intention like others did..
I have no intention od misinterpreting. I’m intensely interested in the project.
kii said:
Bubblecar said:
Arts said:Jesus… just because I called you out when you bully people because you don’t get things your way… calm down dude.
You are now bullying, for example, sarahs mum. Who is on a disability pension for psychiatric problems and is unlikely to find your “humour” amusing.
And calling for the removal of a nazi troll like wookie is not “bullying”, you laughable naïf.
You bullied me as I am dealing through the worst shit of my life, you sick piece of shit.
You are having a terrible time of it kii, and I do really feel for you at this time.
I wish I could do something that was meaningful and comforting for you, I tried and got it terribly wrong. I am sorry about that. It had the opposite effect of what I was hoping.
sibeen said:
party_pants said:
Woodie said:Typical. Demand everything, then get nothing.
… the carbon price all over again.
History repeats.
Yep, the enemy of the good is the perfect.
It is indeed!
wookiemeister said:
make sure you legalise ALL drugs as well
Disagree decriminalisation. Don’t waste any police time. But we don’t have corporations pushing drugs on our young people.
https://nida.nih.gov/publications/research-reports/marijuana/there-link-between-marijuana-use-psychiatric-disorders
wookiemeister said:
you’d just bump up taxes to 50 percenteverything is common property
locks would need to be removed from doors or any kind of barricading.
OMG
YOU“D MAKE MACDONALDS FREE to anyone under 20
You know the main thing young people were worried about when I was a teacher. It was climate change. Free stuff is of no interest to them. They want a planet to live on. W
dv said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-15/federal-government-investigating-land-clearing-nt/101852502Federal environment department investigating allegations of unlawful Northern Territory land clearing
The federal government is investigating potentially unlawful land clearing in the Northern Territory, where satellite images obtained by the ABC suggest swathes of unique savanna have been flattened to make way for a cotton industry
Officials declined to say when the investigation was first launched, but the probe was confirmed following an investigation by the ABC’s 7.30 this week.
A spokesperson from the federal environment department said it was working with the NT government “to determine whether activities are compliant with the Environment Protection and Biodiversity Conservation (EPBC) Act, as well as the relevant territory legislation”.
Substantial penalties apply for land clearing without approval in the case of significant impacts on threatened species.
Individuals can be fined almost $1.5 million dollars, while sanctions for corporations reach as high as $13.75 million and up to seven years’ imprisonment.
Environment Minister Tanya Plibersek said the reports of extensive land clearing in the NT are “very concerning”.
An NT government spokesperson said the federal government had previously “sought advice” on the clearing approval for one of properties investigated by the ABC, following a complaint they received from Environment Centre NT”.
“The federal department has not advised the NT government of any additional or new investigations,” the spokesperson said.
This week, Greens senator Sarah Hanson-Young called on the federal government to launch an urgent inquiry into the allegations, citing “deep concern” over the lack of response from the NT government and the regulations currently in place.
“The NT government has so far failed to regulate and is instead paving the way for a huge expansion of the cotton industry in this fragile ecosystem,” she said in a letter sent to Ms Plibersek.
The calls have been backed by Independent senator David Pocock.
But green groups are now raising questions over the breadth of the investigation and why action wasn’t taken sooner.
The Environment Centre NT director Kirsty Howey said that while she welcomed the investigation, the slow response was disappointing.
Multiple attempts to alert the government of clearing without a permit at three cotton stations were ignored, she said.
“Minister Plibersek’s investigation needs to be far wider in scope. 7.30 revealed a complete failure of regulation by the NT government that raises serious questions about its capacity to regulate and its relationship with the cotton industry,” she said
Ms Howey said the cleared land is the likely habitat for the threatened Gouldian finch, the ghost bat, the partridge pigeon, and five other threatened species listed under the EPBC Act.
“It’s absolutely a matter for federal scrutiny given the Albanese government’s commitment to halt the extinction crisis engulfing Australia,” she said.
Since a ban on cotton was lifted in the NT in 2018, industry proponents and the NT government have repeatedly claimed cotton would be good for the economy and create jobs.
In 2020, a study commissioned by the NT Farmers Association and financed by the NT government found that a cotton industry in the NT has the potential to contribute $200m to the NT economy, and generate 91 direct and indirect jobs across the territory.
But the Australia Institute says its new study shows these assertions don’t add up.
Research director Rod Campbell said Census data from the Australian Bureau of Statistics shows cotton growing employs just 1,121 people nation-wide.
And it doesn’t pay very much tax.
“Minister Manison has said she’s left and I quote, ‘scratching her head’ about opposition to agricultural developments like cotton in the NT, and urges people to look for the benefits,” Mr Campbell said.
“That’s exactly what we’ve done here, we’ve looked for the benefits.”
“What is the potential employment? Very low. What are the potential tax payments and revenue implications for the NT government? Near zero or negative.
“If the NT government insists on subsidising the cotton industry by giving away water and potentially funding infrastructure, I just call it bad economic policy and bad environmental policy.”
Michael Murray, the general manager of Cotton Australia said the cotton industry does generate economic activity and a “lot of extra employment”, and has cast doubt over what he described as “selective” census data.
The ABC reached out to both the NT Farmers Association chief executive Paul Burke and Bruce Connolly, the president of the Northern Cotton Growers Association, but both declined to comment.
Mr Campbell said that while its hard to predict exactly what could happen in the NT, he pointed to the Ord Scheme in Western Australia, where millions have been spent on expansion by both the federal and state government.
“The WA auditor general found that created around 60 jobs. We’re talking millions of dollars per job,” he said.
“I’m certainly not against the farming of cotton in Australia … But this is a bit of a different situation.
“If the NT is looking to create agricultural jobs, they should be looking at just about any other sector of agriculture.”
But the companies so rarely get convicted and $13 million dollars can be their spare change.
dv said:
Arts said:
maybe just a list of people and the participants form the forum can rank them from most sane to most insane..what is your perception of…
please rank in order from most to least based on your understanding of them..
I’m not a psychological professional. There are people here who have spoken openly about their mental health troubles and I don’t wamt to add to their woes by turning it into a competition.
A lot of folks do have to fight off a lot of bigotry or prejudice, so it’s a good point made my dv.
Michael V said:
I think one of the responsibilities of governments is to keep the robber barons at bay. Good regulations and accountability can achieve most of this.
We so need good regulations and accountabiity. I hope we get a Federal ICAC.
A couple of pics from last night.
Ah, fuck. I’m so tired, I don’t even know what thread I’m in.
Sorry.
Kingy said:
Ah, fuck. I’m so tired, I don’t even know what thread I’m in.Sorry.
must be climate change.
Liberal senator Jim Molan and this casual vacancy will be filled by a party appointment.
No Theocracy Here
theories
A former New South Wales Labor frontbench MP has announced her defection to the One Nation party despite once labelling its state leader, Mark Latham, a “buffoon” and saying the far-right party stood for “political opportunism at its worst”.
Bankstown MP Tania Mihailuk has announced she will run for the fringe party in the NSW upper house following her defection from Labor in 2022.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/jan/17/former-nsw-labor-mp-joins-one-nation-despite-previously-labelling-mark-latham-a-buffoon
anyone looking forward to chilling out
SCIENCE said:
No Theocracy Here
Pell’s Melbourne response was diabolically clever. He was an evil man.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jan/17/the-rest-of-the-world-is-in-disbelief-at-what-the-gambling-industry-has-pulled-off-in-australia-we-need-real-reform
According to this, 35% of the world’s poker machines are in NSW.
dv said:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jan/17/the-rest-of-the-world-is-in-disbelief-at-what-the-gambling-industry-has-pulled-off-in-australia-we-need-real-reformAccording to this, 35% of the world’s poker machines are in NSW.
almost all the poker machines in Tassie are owned by one family who live in NSW>
dv said:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jan/17/the-rest-of-the-world-is-in-disbelief-at-what-the-gambling-industry-has-pulled-off-in-australia-we-need-real-reformAccording to this, 35% of the world’s poker machines are in NSW.
Never understood the popularity of that madness.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jan/17/the-rest-of-the-world-is-in-disbelief-at-what-the-gambling-industry-has-pulled-off-in-australia-we-need-real-reformAccording to this, 35% of the world’s poker machines are in NSW.
almost all the poker machines in Tassie are owned by one family who live in NSW>
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jan/17/the-rest-of-the-world-is-in-disbelief-at-what-the-gambling-industry-has-pulled-off-in-australia-we-need-real-reformAccording to this, 35% of the world’s poker machines are in NSW.
almost all the poker machines in Tassie are owned by one family who live in NSW>
the West report the other day said that they believed the Perrottet dressed as a nazi story started from the gambling industry peeps.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jan/17/the-rest-of-the-world-is-in-disbelief-at-what-the-gambling-industry-has-pulled-off-in-australia-we-need-real-reformAccording to this, 35% of the world’s poker machines are in NSW.
Never understood the popularity of that madness.
Back in the day, they were one armed bandits.
sarahs mum said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jan/17/the-rest-of-the-world-is-in-disbelief-at-what-the-gambling-industry-has-pulled-off-in-australia-we-need-real-reformAccording to this, 35% of the world’s poker machines are in NSW.
almost all the poker machines in Tassie are owned by one family who live in NSW>
the West report the other day said that they believed the Perrottet dressed as a nazi story started from the gambling industry peeps.
Yeah and it did make sense.
sarahs mum said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jan/17/the-rest-of-the-world-is-in-disbelief-at-what-the-gambling-industry-has-pulled-off-in-australia-we-need-real-reformAccording to this, 35% of the world’s poker machines are in NSW.
almost all the poker machines in Tassie are owned by one family who live in NSW>
the West report the other day said that they believed the Perrottet dressed as a nazi story started from the gambling industry peeps.
He’s opposed to them ?
Cymek said:
sarahs mum said:
sarahs mum said:almost all the poker machines in Tassie are owned by one family who live in NSW>
the West report the other day said that they believed the Perrottet dressed as a nazi story started from the gambling industry peeps.
He’s opposed to them ?
from article.
“On the surface some of Labor’s policies seem to have merit, but dig deeper and you realise they lack real substance. That’s because they don’t commit to the reform that matters most and which Dominic Perrottet has already proposed: the introduction of a universal cashless gambling card that requires pre-commitment to a spending limit.”
dv said:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jan/17/the-rest-of-the-world-is-in-disbelief-at-what-the-gambling-industry-has-pulled-off-in-australia-we-need-real-reformAccording to this, 35% of the world’s poker machines are in NSW.
A very small percentage of the population hardcore pokie players.
A little known stat is that the number of HPPs in NSW —-–> the number of pokie machines.
Ian said:
dv said:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jan/17/the-rest-of-the-world-is-in-disbelief-at-what-the-gambling-industry-has-pulled-off-in-australia-we-need-real-reformAccording to this, 35% of the world’s poker machines are in NSW.
A very small percentage of the population hardcore pokie players.
A little known stat is that the number of HPPs in NSW —-–> the number of pokie machines.
With them being all over the place it makes it so hard for addicts to prevent themselves gambling.
WA only has them at the casino I think and you can self ban yourself from there
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jan/17/the-rest-of-the-world-is-in-disbelief-at-what-the-gambling-industry-has-pulled-off-in-australia-we-need-real-reformAccording to this, 35% of the world’s poker machines are in NSW.
almost all the poker machines in Tassie are owned by one family who live in NSW>
One great thing about WA. Never see pokies except at the Casino.
Cymek said:
Ian said:
dv said:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jan/17/the-rest-of-the-world-is-in-disbelief-at-what-the-gambling-industry-has-pulled-off-in-australia-we-need-real-reformAccording to this, 35% of the world’s poker machines are in NSW.
A very small percentage of the population hardcore pokie players.
A little known stat is that the number of HPPs in NSW —-–> the number of pokie machines.
With them being all over the place it makes it so hard for addicts to prevent themselves gambling.
WA only has them at the casino I think and you can self ban yourself from there
Actually I just made that up.. have NFI
Another factoid.. the biggest pokie addict of all is the NSW government.
Ian said:
Another factoid.. the biggest pokie addict of all is the NSW government.
Taxes ?
Cymek said:
Ian said:
Another factoid.. the biggest pokie addict of all is the NSW government.Taxes ?
Billions and billions
Cymek said:
Ian said:
dv said:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jan/17/the-rest-of-the-world-is-in-disbelief-at-what-the-gambling-industry-has-pulled-off-in-australia-we-need-real-reformAccording to this, 35% of the world’s poker machines are in NSW.
A very small percentage of the population hardcore pokie players.
A little known stat is that the number of HPPs in NSW —-–> the number of pokie machines.
With them being all over the place it makes it so hard for addicts to prevent themselves gambling.
WA only has them at the casino I think and you can self ban yourself from there
Mr Mek,
Everywhere has “Self exclusion” legislation.
I have no idea how many are on such “exclusion” lists, but I’d suggest it’s not many.
This is NSW.
It includes such provisions as:
A hotel, club, and casino and its employees have indemnity against civil or criminal liability for anything they do to fulfil a self-exclusion scheme – provided they act in good faith and within the law.
Licensees and staff can use reasonable force to:
prevent a self-exclusion participant from entering a nominated area
remove a participant who refuses to leave a nominated area
additional requirements apply to the casino operator, who must remove a self-excluded person from the casino.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jan/17/the-rest-of-the-world-is-in-disbelief-at-what-the-gambling-industry-has-pulled-off-in-australia-we-need-real-reformAccording to this, 35% of the world’s poker machines are in NSW.
almost all the poker machines in Tassie are owned by one family who live in NSW>
and they have quite the vested interested in never ceding that pokie machine space, and they have lots of cashola as well!
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jan/17/the-rest-of-the-world-is-in-disbelief-at-what-the-gambling-industry-has-pulled-off-in-australia-we-need-real-reformAccording to this, 35% of the world’s poker machines are in NSW.
Never understood the popularity of that madness.
I have always been angry at it being pushed on the Australian population.
sarahs mum said:
Cymek said:
sarahs mum said:the West report the other day said that they believed the Perrottet dressed as a nazi story started from the gambling industry peeps.
He’s opposed to them ?
from article.
“On the surface some of Labor’s policies seem to have merit, but dig deeper and you realise they lack real substance. That’s because they don’t commit to the reform that matters most and which Dominic Perrottet has already proposed: the introduction of a universal cashless gambling card that requires pre-commitment to a spending limit.”
They are so disappointing.
No Federal ICAC.
No public health campaigns.
No protections from his election promises – how could I be so gullible?
Prof Raina MacIntyre says if even 50% of the population masked it would slow down waves. I was listening to one of her professional development YouTubes earlier today.
Cymek said:
Ian said:
dv said:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jan/17/the-rest-of-the-world-is-in-disbelief-at-what-the-gambling-industry-has-pulled-off-in-australia-we-need-real-reformAccording to this, 35% of the world’s poker machines are in NSW.
A very small percentage of the population hardcore pokie players.
A little known stat is that the number of HPPs in NSW —-–> the number of pokie machines.
With them being all over the place it makes it so hard for addicts to prevent themselves gambling.
WA only has them at the casino I think and you can self ban yourself from there
And where the pokies are now used to be the places that Australian bands used to practice and play and develop. It stole all the opportunities of a generation of musicians.
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jan/17/the-rest-of-the-world-is-in-disbelief-at-what-the-gambling-industry-has-pulled-off-in-australia-we-need-real-reformAccording to this, 35% of the world’s poker machines are in NSW.
almost all the poker machines in Tassie are owned by one family who live in NSW>
One great thing about WA. Never see pokies except at the Casino.
They were very, very, very clever how they did and what they said that they didn’t want to get addicted to that pokie monies.
Woodie said:
Cymek said:
Ian said:A very small percentage of the population hardcore pokie players.
A little known stat is that the number of HPPs in NSW —-–> the number of pokie machines.
With them being all over the place it makes it so hard for addicts to prevent themselves gambling.
WA only has them at the casino I think and you can self ban yourself from there
Mr Mek,
Everywhere has “Self exclusion” legislation.
I have no idea how many are on such “exclusion” lists, but I’d suggest it’s not many.
This is NSW.
It includes such provisions as:
A hotel, club, and casino and its employees have indemnity against civil or criminal liability for anything they do to fulfil a self-exclusion scheme – provided they act in good faith and within the law.
Licensees and staff can use reasonable force to:
prevent a self-exclusion participant from entering a nominated area
remove a participant who refuses to leave a nominated area
additional requirements apply to the casino operator, who must remove a self-excluded person from the casino.
Sadly I read that legislation once. It was about pretending to do something about a serious social issue that some folks were making billions of dollars out of.
ms spock said:
Cymek said:
Ian said:A very small percentage of the population hardcore pokie players.
A little known stat is that the number of HPPs in NSW —-–> the number of pokie machines.
With them being all over the place it makes it so hard for addicts to prevent themselves gambling.
WA only has them at the casino I think and you can self ban yourself from there
And where the pokies are now used to be the places that Australian bands used to practice and play and develop. It stole all the opportunities of a generation of musicians.
Blow up the pokies and drag them away
‘Cause they’re taking the food off your table
So they can say that the trains run on time
https://ministers.ag.gov.au/media-centre/parliament-passes-national-anti-corruption-commission-bills-30-11-2022
https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Bills_Legislation/Bills_Search_Results/Result?bId=r6917
ChrispenEvan said:
https://ministers.ag.gov.au/media-centre/parliament-passes-national-anti-corruption-commission-bills-30-11-2022https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Bills_Legislation/Bills_Search_Results/Result?bId=r6917
Good
dv said:
ChrispenEvan said:
https://ministers.ag.gov.au/media-centre/parliament-passes-national-anti-corruption-commission-bills-30-11-2022https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Bills_Legislation/Bills_Search_Results/Result?bId=r6917
Good
Who said it couldn’t be done?
ms spock said:
sarahs mum said:
Cymek said:He’s opposed to them ?
from article.
“On the surface some of Labor’s policies seem to have merit, but dig deeper and you realise they lack real substance. That’s because they don’t commit to the reform that matters most and which Dominic Perrottet has already proposed: the introduction of a universal cashless gambling card that requires pre-commitment to a spending limit.”
They are so disappointing.
No Federal ICAC.
No public health campaigns.
No protections from his election promises – how could I be so gullible?
Prof Raina MacIntyre says if even 50% of the population masked it would slow down waves. I was listening to one of her professional development YouTubes earlier today.
There ya go, spocky, they must have been listening to you. They’ve just passed the ICAC bill.
sibeen said:
ms spock said:
sarahs mum said:from article.
“On the surface some of Labor’s policies seem to have merit, but dig deeper and you realise they lack real substance. That’s because they don’t commit to the reform that matters most and which Dominic Perrottet has already proposed: the introduction of a universal cashless gambling card that requires pre-commitment to a spending limit.”
They are so disappointing.
No Federal ICAC.
No public health campaigns.
No protections from his election promises – how could I be so gullible?
Prof Raina MacIntyre says if even 50% of the population masked it would slow down waves. I was listening to one of her professional development YouTubes earlier today.
There ya go, spocky, they must have been listening to you. They’ve just passed the ICAC bill.
A long farken it was too.
A long time ago the Labor party in Qld. hit on an election winning pledge after decades in the political wilderness that if elected they would introduce poker machines to Qld.
And lo it came to pass and Queensland got poker machines.
ChrispenEvan said:
https://ministers.ag.gov.au/media-centre/parliament-passes-national-anti-corruption-commission-bills-30-11-2022https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Bills_Legislation/Bills_Search_Results/Result?bId=r6917
Does it have teeth? Will it be transparent?
sibeen said:
ms spock said:
sarahs mum said:from article.
“On the surface some of Labor’s policies seem to have merit, but dig deeper and you realise they lack real substance. That’s because they don’t commit to the reform that matters most and which Dominic Perrottet has already proposed: the introduction of a universal cashless gambling card that requires pre-commitment to a spending limit.”
They are so disappointing.
No Federal ICAC.
No public health campaigns.
No protections from his election promises – how could I be so gullible?
Prof Raina MacIntyre says if even 50% of the population masked it would slow down waves. I was listening to one of her professional development YouTubes earlier today.
There ya go, spocky, they must have been listening to you. They’ve just passed the ICAC bill.
Finely sibeen!
SOMEONE IS DOING SOMETHING!
ms spock said:
ChrispenEvan said:
https://ministers.ag.gov.au/media-centre/parliament-passes-national-anti-corruption-commission-bills-30-11-2022https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Bills_Legislation/Bills_Search_Results/Result?bId=r6917
Does it have teeth? Will it be transparent?
Some.
Not always.
roughbarked said:
dv said:
ChrispenEvan said:
https://ministers.ag.gov.au/media-centre/parliament-passes-national-anti-corruption-commission-bills-30-11-2022https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Bills_Legislation/Bills_Search_Results/Result?bId=r6917
Good
Who said it couldn’t be done?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZFUVI6symA
roughbarked said:
sibeen said:
ms spock said:They are so disappointing.
No Federal ICAC.
No public health campaigns.
No protections from his election promises – how could I be so gullible?
Prof Raina MacIntyre says if even 50% of the population masked it would slow down waves. I was listening to one of her professional development YouTubes earlier today.
There ya go, spocky, they must have been listening to you. They’ve just passed the ICAC bill.
A long farken it was too.
But does it have any teeth? And will it be kept confidential?
ChrispenEvan said:
https://ministers.ag.gov.au/media-centre/parliament-passes-national-anti-corruption-commission-bills-30-11-2022https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Bills_Legislation/Bills_Search_Results/Result?bId=r6917
first link
Have broad jurisdiction to investigate serious or systemic corrupt conduct across the Commonwealth public sector by ministers, parliamentarians and their staff, statutory officer holders, employees of all government entities and government contractors;
Operate independent of government, with discretion to commence inquiries on its own initiative or in response to referrals, including from whistleblowers and the public;
Be overseen by a statutory Parliamentary Joint Committee, empowered to require the Commission to provide information about its work;
Have the power to investigate allegations of serious or systemic corruption that occurred before or after its establishment;
Have the power to hold public hearings in exceptional circumstances and where it is in the public interest to do so;
Be empowered to make findings of fact, including findings of corrupt conduct, and refer findings that could constitute criminal conduct to the Australian Federal Police or the Commonwealth Director of Public Prosecutions;
and
Operate with procedural fairness and its findings will be subject to judicial review.
ChrispenEvan said:
ChrispenEvan said:
https://ministers.ag.gov.au/media-centre/parliament-passes-national-anti-corruption-commission-bills-30-11-2022https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Bills_Legislation/Bills_Search_Results/Result?bId=r6917
first link
Have broad jurisdiction to investigate serious or systemic corrupt conduct across the Commonwealth public sector by ministers, parliamentarians and their staff, statutory officer holders, employees of all government entities and government contractors;
Operate independent of government, with discretion to commence inquiries on its own initiative or in response to referrals, including from whistleblowers and the public;
Be overseen by a statutory Parliamentary Joint Committee, empowered to require the Commission to provide information about its work;
Have the power to investigate allegations of serious or systemic corruption that occurred before or after its establishment;
Have the power to hold public hearings in exceptional circumstances and where it is in the public interest to do so;
Be empowered to make findings of fact, including findings of corrupt conduct, and refer findings that could constitute criminal conduct to the Australian Federal Police or the Commonwealth Director of Public Prosecutions;and
Operate with procedural fairness and its findings will be subject to judicial review.
second link, text of bill on passing
https://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/download/legislation/bills/r6917_aspassed/toc_pdf/22094b01.pdf;fileType=application%2Fpdf
ms spock said:
sibeen said:
ms spock said:They are so disappointing.
No Federal ICAC.
No public health campaigns.
No protections from his election promises – how could I be so gullible?
Prof Raina MacIntyre says if even 50% of the population masked it would slow down waves. I was listening to one of her professional development YouTubes earlier today.
There ya go, spocky, they must have been listening to you. They’ve just passed the ICAC bill.
Finely sibeen!
SOMEONE IS DOING SOMETHING!
OR it looks like they are.
ChrispenEvan said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:Good
Who said it couldn’t be done?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZFUVI6symA
:)
ChrispenEvan said:
ChrispenEvan said:
https://ministers.ag.gov.au/media-centre/parliament-passes-national-anti-corruption-commission-bills-30-11-2022https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Bills_Legislation/Bills_Search_Results/Result?bId=r6917
first link
Have broad jurisdiction to investigate serious or systemic corrupt conduct across the Commonwealth public sector by ministers, parliamentarians and their staff, statutory officer holders, employees of all government entities and government contractors;
Operate independent of government, with discretion to commence inquiries on its own initiative or in response to referrals, including from whistleblowers and the public;
Be overseen by a statutory Parliamentary Joint Committee, empowered to require the Commission to provide information about its work;
Have the power to investigate allegations of serious or systemic corruption that occurred before or after its establishment;
Have the power to hold public hearings in exceptional circumstances and where it is in the public interest to do so;
Be empowered to make findings of fact, including findings of corrupt conduct, and refer findings that could constitute criminal conduct to the Australian Federal Police or the Commonwealth Director of Public Prosecutions;and
Operate with procedural fairness and its findings will be subject to judicial review.
Sounds a little toothy and also a lot of jobs for a lot of people.
roughbarked said:
ChrispenEvan said:
ChrispenEvan said:
https://ministers.ag.gov.au/media-centre/parliament-passes-national-anti-corruption-commission-bills-30-11-2022https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Bills_Legislation/Bills_Search_Results/Result?bId=r6917
first link
Have broad jurisdiction to investigate serious or systemic corrupt conduct across the Commonwealth public sector by ministers, parliamentarians and their staff, statutory officer holders, employees of all government entities and government contractors;
Operate independent of government, with discretion to commence inquiries on its own initiative or in response to referrals, including from whistleblowers and the public;
Be overseen by a statutory Parliamentary Joint Committee, empowered to require the Commission to provide information about its work;
Have the power to investigate allegations of serious or systemic corruption that occurred before or after its establishment;
Have the power to hold public hearings in exceptional circumstances and where it is in the public interest to do so;
Be empowered to make findings of fact, including findings of corrupt conduct, and refer findings that could constitute criminal conduct to the Australian Federal Police or the Commonwealth Director of Public Prosecutions;and
Operate with procedural fairness and its findings will be subject to judicial review.
Sounds a little toothy and also a lot of jobs for a lot of people.
yeah, lets just have one person doing it all. FFS. people whinge when we didn’t have one now people are whinging it doesn’t do this or doesn’t do that, not that they have read the link. now too many people.
ChrispenEvan said:
roughbarked said:
ChrispenEvan said:first link
Have broad jurisdiction to investigate serious or systemic corrupt conduct across the Commonwealth public sector by ministers, parliamentarians and their staff, statutory officer holders, employees of all government entities and government contractors;
Operate independent of government, with discretion to commence inquiries on its own initiative or in response to referrals, including from whistleblowers and the public;
Be overseen by a statutory Parliamentary Joint Committee, empowered to require the Commission to provide information about its work;
Have the power to investigate allegations of serious or systemic corruption that occurred before or after its establishment;
Have the power to hold public hearings in exceptional circumstances and where it is in the public interest to do so;
Be empowered to make findings of fact, including findings of corrupt conduct, and refer findings that could constitute criminal conduct to the Australian Federal Police or the Commonwealth Director of Public Prosecutions;and
Operate with procedural fairness and its findings will be subject to judicial review.
Sounds a little toothy and also a lot of jobs for a lot of people.
yeah, lets just have one person doing it all. FFS. people whinge when we didn’t have one now people are whinging it doesn’t do this or doesn’t do that, not that they have read the link. now too many people.
Stop yer whingin’ farking poms.
ChrispenEvan said:
roughbarked said:
ChrispenEvan said:first link
Have broad jurisdiction to investigate serious or systemic corrupt conduct across the Commonwealth public sector by ministers, parliamentarians and their staff, statutory officer holders, employees of all government entities and government contractors;
Operate independent of government, with discretion to commence inquiries on its own initiative or in response to referrals, including from whistleblowers and the public;
Be overseen by a statutory Parliamentary Joint Committee, empowered to require the Commission to provide information about its work;
Have the power to investigate allegations of serious or systemic corruption that occurred before or after its establishment;
Have the power to hold public hearings in exceptional circumstances and where it is in the public interest to do so;
Be empowered to make findings of fact, including findings of corrupt conduct, and refer findings that could constitute criminal conduct to the Australian Federal Police or the Commonwealth Director of Public Prosecutions;and
Operate with procedural fairness and its findings will be subject to judicial review.
Sounds a little toothy and also a lot of jobs for a lot of people.
yeah, lets just have one person doing it all. FFS. people whinge when we didn’t have one now people are whinging it doesn’t do this or doesn’t do that, not that they have read the link. now too many people.
And, you know, we only elected this government less than 12 months ago.
roughbarked said:
ms spock said:
sibeen said:There ya go, spocky, they must have been listening to you. They’ve just passed the ICAC bill.
Finely sibeen!
SOMEONE IS DOING SOMETHING!
OR it looks like they are.
Window dressing will not be appreciated!
Independent MP for Bankstown Tania Mihailuk has joined One Nation after being a member of the Labor Party for the past 27 years.
Peak Warming Man said:
Independent MP for Bankstown Tania Mihailuk has joined One Nation after being a member of the Labor Party for the past 27 years.
Following a grand tradition of NSW Labor party members :)
Yeah that might as well happen
dv said:
Yeah that might as well happen
They’re in opposition. There’s little doubt that he was very good for the Libs when they were in opposition.
sibeen said:
dv said:
Yeah that might as well happen
They’re in opposition. There’s little doubt that he was very good for the Libs when they were in opposition.
Never understood that. He was just as shit in opposition as in government.
Bubblecar said:
sibeen said:
dv said:
Yeah that might as well happen
They’re in opposition. There’s little doubt that he was very good for the Libs when they were in opposition.
Never understood that. He was just as shit in opposition as in government.
In fact he was the official “shit happens” opposition leader:
Tony Abbott’s bizzarre 28 second silence following “Shit Happens” comment
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wT9XS_TvzQ
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:
sibeen said:They’re in opposition. There’s little doubt that he was very good for the Libs when they were in opposition.
Never understood that. He was just as shit in opposition as in government.
In fact he was the official “shit happens” opposition leader:
Tony Abbott’s bizzarre 28 second silence following “Shit Happens” comment
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wT9XS_TvzQ
ROFL, that one was a great beat up. The silence wasn’t after the comment.
dv said:
Yeah that might as well happen
Tony is giving him a very concerned look…
What? Again? Are you sure?
sibeen said:
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:Never understood that. He was just as shit in opposition as in government.
In fact he was the official “shit happens” opposition leader:
Tony Abbott’s bizzarre 28 second silence following “Shit Happens” comment
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wT9XS_TvzQ
ROFL, that one was a great beat up. The silence wasn’t after the comment.
It was still a remarkably weirdo performance.
Imagine a Labor opposition leader behaving like that and then becoming PM.
Abbott was greatly helped by Labor’s leadership woes and a degree of residual “born to rule” Liberal sympathy.
The latter at least has at last faded, as shown by the Teal votes etc.
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:
sibeen said:They’re in opposition. There’s little doubt that he was very good for the Libs when they were in opposition.
Never understood that. He was just as shit in opposition as in government.
In fact he was the official “shit happens” opposition leader:
Tony Abbott’s bizzarre 28 second silence following “Shit Happens” comment
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wT9XS_TvzQ
Tony had brain freeze, a rare condition that stops people thinking for an arbitrary time.
They come out of confused and not knowing where they are or who they are.
Bubblecar said:
sibeen said:
Bubblecar said:In fact he was the official “shit happens” opposition leader:
Tony Abbott’s bizzarre 28 second silence following “Shit Happens” comment
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wT9XS_TvzQ
ROFL, that one was a great beat up. The silence wasn’t after the comment.
It was still a remarkably weirdo performance.
Imagine a Labor opposition leader behaving like that and then becoming PM.
Abbott was greatly helped by Labor’s leadership woes and a degree of residual “born to rule” Liberal sympathy.
The latter at least has at last faded, as shown by the Teal votes etc.
A lot of the Labor’s leadership woes were caused by Abbott. He was very effective in opposition. Completely shit as Prime Minister, but that wasn’t my point.
dv said:
Yeah that might as well happen
What do they expect might happen? At best he’s just another senator, at worst he’s a toxic reminder of everything proved unelectable by their recent electoral performance.
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
Yeah that might as well happen
What do they expect might happen? At best he’s just another senator, at worst he’s a toxic reminder of everything proved unelectable by their recent electoral performance.
Sir Pository of All Wisdom might be good for a few laughs. What’s it matter? The Coalition’s going to be in the wilderness for many a year.
Ian said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
Yeah that might as well happen
What do they expect might happen? At best he’s just another senator, at worst he’s a toxic reminder of everything proved unelectable by their recent electoral performance.
Sir Pository of All Wisdom might be good for a few laughs. What’s it matter? The Coalition’s going to be in the wilderness for many a year.
complacency
SCIENCE said:
Ian said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
What do they expect might happen? At best he’s just another senator, at worst he’s a toxic reminder of everything proved unelectable by their recent electoral performance.
Sir Pository of All Wisdom might be good for a few laughs. What’s it matter? The Coalition’s going to be in the wilderness for many a year.
complacency
I don’t think there’s a lot of danger of that for Labor.
Unless that’s a self-referential comment.
Ian said:
SCIENCE said:
Ian said:
Sir Pository of All Wisdom might be good for a few laughs. What’s it matter? The Coalition’s going to be in the wilderness for many a year.
complacency
I don’t think there’s a lot of danger of that for Labor.
Unless that’s a self-referential comment.
both
history is over
sibeen said:
A lot of the Labor’s leadership woes were caused by Abbott. He was very effective in opposition. Completely shit as Prime Minister, but that wasn’t my point.
DItto
Forking out $1.2bn to build a hospital then flogging it for a dollar must surely make the NSW government the most hopeless dealmaker in Australian history. Then letting the buyers sell it – along with another 41 hospitals to the Cayman Islands – puts the federal government in a nearby league.
The Story: https://michaelwest.com.au/the-nsw-go…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVmkIde9dgI
sarahs mum said:
Forking out $1.2bn to build a hospital then flogging it for a dollar must surely make the NSW government the most hopeless dealmaker in Australian history. Then letting the buyers sell it – along with another 41 hospitals to the Cayman Islands – puts the federal government in a nearby league.The Story: https://michaelwest.com.au/the-nsw-go…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVmkIde9dgI
This government has a lot to answer for. I doubt they ever will but they should be called to account.
roughbarked said:
sarahs mum said:
Forking out $1.2bn to build a hospital then flogging it for a dollar must surely make the NSW government the most hopeless dealmaker in Australian history. Then letting the buyers sell it – along with another 41 hospitals to the Cayman Islands – puts the federal government in a nearby league.The Story: https://michaelwest.com.au/the-nsw-go…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVmkIde9dgI
This government has a lot to answer for. I doubt they ever will but they should be called to account.
You’d think someone would be pissed off.
sarahs mum said:
roughbarked said:
sarahs mum said:
Forking out $1.2bn to build a hospital then flogging it for a dollar must surely make the NSW government the most hopeless dealmaker in Australian history. Then letting the buyers sell it – along with another 41 hospitals to the Cayman Islands – puts the federal government in a nearby league.The Story: https://michaelwest.com.au/the-nsw-go…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVmkIde9dgI
This government has a lot to answer for. I doubt they ever will but they should be called to account.
You’d think someone would be pissed off.
I think you mean ‘paid off’.
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:
roughbarked said:This government has a lot to answer for. I doubt they ever will but they should be called to account.
You’d think someone would be pissed off.
I think you mean ‘paid off’.
No. I meant everyday people. The people who voted.
sarahs mum said:
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:You’d think someone would be pissed off.
I think you mean ‘paid off’.
No. I meant everyday people. The people who voted.
Oh, them? They don’t matter. No need to even think about them until the next election looms. And then only until the polling booths close.
I wonder if Tony Abbott is advising false information ?
One race of people with special rights and privileges.
Sounds like something he would say.
I wonder what privileges Tony has in mind?
Tau.Neutrino said:
I wonder if Tony Abbott is advising false information ?One race of people with special rights and privileges.
Sounds like something he would say.
I wonder what privileges Tony has in mind?
In the interview, Mr Abbott did not disclose that he was a member of Advance Australia’s advisory council. 7.30 has confirmed his position with other members of the advisory council.
I wonder if Advance Australia is a camouflaged hate group.
Tony wouldn’t be aligning himself with hate groups now would he?
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
I wonder if Tony Abbott is advising false information ?One race of people with special rights and privileges.
Sounds like something he would say.
I wonder what privileges Tony has in mind?
In the interview, Mr Abbott did not disclose that he was a member of Advance Australia’s advisory council. 7.30 has confirmed his position with other members of the advisory council.
I wonder if Advance Australia is a camouflaged hate group.
Tony wouldn’t be aligning himself with hate groups now would he?
Well, he hates Turnbull, M.
captain_spalding said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
I wonder if Tony Abbott is advising false information ?One race of people with special rights and privileges.
Sounds like something he would say.
I wonder what privileges Tony has in mind?
In the interview, Mr Abbott did not disclose that he was a member of Advance Australia’s advisory council. 7.30 has confirmed his position with other members of the advisory council.
I wonder if Advance Australia is a camouflaged hate group.
Tony wouldn’t be aligning himself with hate groups now would he?
Well, he hates Turnbull, M.
:)
Tau.Neutrino said:
captain_spalding said:
Tau.Neutrino said:In the interview, Mr Abbott did not disclose that he was a member of Advance Australia’s advisory council. 7.30 has confirmed his position with other members of the advisory council.
I wonder if Advance Australia is a camouflaged hate group.
Tony wouldn’t be aligning himself with hate groups now would he?
Well, he hates Turnbull, M.
:)
Tony Abbott and John Howard are setting up some University Departments – giving quite a lot of money to teach about Western culture properly. They have a lot of money at their disposal.
ms spock said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
captain_spalding said:Well, he hates Turnbull, M.
:)
Tony Abbott and John Howard are setting up some University Departments – giving quite a lot of money to teach about Western culture properly. They have a lot of money at their disposal.
My old high school just sent an email to us old boys, letting us know that we could win a seat at a table for dinner with John Howard.
I decided I’d best not reply at all rather than what I really thought about it.
sarahs mum said:
Forking out $1.2bn to build a hospital then flogging it for a dollar must surely make the NSW government the most hopeless dealmaker in Australian history. Then letting the buyers sell it – along with another 41 hospitals to the Cayman Islands – puts the federal government in a nearby league.The Story: https://michaelwest.com.au/the-nsw-go…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVmkIde9dgI
It’s an outrage.
ms spock said:
sarahs mum said:
Forking out $1.2bn to build a hospital then flogging it for a dollar must surely make the NSW government the most hopeless dealmaker in Australian history. Then letting the buyers sell it – along with another 41 hospitals to the Cayman Islands – puts the federal government in a nearby league.The Story: https://michaelwest.com.au/the-nsw-go…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVmkIde9dgI
It’s an outrage.
and the Liberals spout that they are fixing the economy?
roughbarked said:
ms spock said:
sarahs mum said:
Forking out $1.2bn to build a hospital then flogging it for a dollar must surely make the NSW government the most hopeless dealmaker in Australian history. Then letting the buyers sell it – along with another 41 hospitals to the Cayman Islands – puts the federal government in a nearby league.The Story: https://michaelwest.com.au/the-nsw-go…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVmkIde9dgI
It’s an outrage.
and the Liberals spout that they are fixing the economy?
They were making their friends rich and privitising.
The Communist Reich
SCIENCE said:
I guess he asked for permission first.
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:
I guess he asked for permission first.
yeah it does also say Sunday but hey we need to hear from some angry motorists for balance
SCIENCE said:
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:
I guess he asked for permission first.
yeah it does also say Sunday but hey we need to hear from some angry motorists for balance
Meh. It’s only a localised problem in Sydney.
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:
I guess he asked for permission first.
And paid a goodly sum for traffic control and the like.
I dont think Michael West has thought this through.
SCIENCE said:
The Communist Reich
I don’t think taxation works on how much you have.
sibeen said:
SCIENCE said:The Communist Reich
I don’t think taxation works on how much you have.
Taxing unrealised capital gains is essentially a wealth tax:
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/09/theres-a-growing-interest-in-wealth-taxes-on-the-super-rich.html
party_pants said:
Meh. It’s only a localised problem in Sydney.
But, that means it’s a national problem!
When Sydney media, and sometimes NSW politicians, refer to ‘Australia’, their concept of Australia doesn’t go much beyond the boundary Hornsby, Katoomba, and maybe as far down as Wollongong.
SCIENCE said:
The Communist Reich
Explain to me how this works. What is the root cause of hunger? Is it really so simple to solve it as taking money from one group and giving it to another? Gimme some detail here.
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:Meh. It’s only a localised problem in Sydney.
But, that means it’s a national problem!
When Sydney media, and sometimes NSW politicians, refer to ‘Australia’, their concept of Australia doesn’t go much beyond the boundary Hornsby, Katoomba, and maybe as far down as Wollongong.
Yes I know.
.. and I had to look up Katoomba on GoogleEarth.captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:Meh. It’s only a localised problem in Sydney.
But, that means it’s a national problem!
When Sydney media, and sometimes NSW politicians, refer to ‘Australia’, their concept of Australia doesn’t go much beyond the boundary Hornsby, Katoomba, and maybe as far down as Wollongong.
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:The Communist Reich
Explain to me how this works. What is the root cause of hunger? Is it really so simple to solve it as taking money from one group and giving it to another? Gimme some detail here.
If you had an island where there were rich people, poor people and people in-between and you took all the money and divided it equally between everyone.
Then in 10 years time you went back to the island there would be rich people, poor people and people in-between.
Tamb said:
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:Meh. It’s only a localised problem in Sydney.
But, that means it’s a national problem!
When Sydney media, and sometimes NSW politicians, refer to ‘Australia’, their concept of Australia doesn’t go much beyond the boundary Hornsby, Katoomba, and maybe as far down as Wollongong.
NSW is short for Newcastle Sydney Wollongong.
I’m going to steal that and pretend I made it up.
Peak Warming Man said:
Tamb said:
captain_spalding said:But, that means it’s a national problem!
When Sydney media, and sometimes NSW politicians, refer to ‘Australia’, their concept of Australia doesn’t go much beyond the boundary Hornsby, Katoomba, and maybe as far down as Wollongong.
NSW is short for Newcastle Sydney Wollongong.I’m going to steal that and pretend I made it up.
well the world is just the lower half of north america is it not
SCIENCE said:
well the world is just the lower half of north america is it not
Correct, it’s not.
The Poll Bludger
YouGov: 56-44 to Labor in New South Wales
A new poll finding Labor on course for a clear win in New South Wales
dv said:
The Poll Bludger
YouGov: 56-44 to Labor in New South Wales
A new poll finding Labor on course for a clear win in New South Wales
You don’t come back from those sort of numbers.
That will leave Tasmania flying the flag.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
The Poll Bludger
YouGov: 56-44 to Labor in New South Wales
A new poll finding Labor on course for a clear win in New South WalesYou don’t come back from those sort of numbers.
That will leave Tasmania flying the flag.
good job it is an island. easier to quarantine.
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:The Communist Reich
Explain to me how this works. What is the root cause of hunger? Is it really so simple to solve it as taking money from one group and giving it to another? Gimme some detail here.
One third of the world’s food is wasted. It doesn’t get to market. I used to teach that for Oz Harvest. Australia produces enough food for three times our current population. However 1 in 5 children go to bed without dinner or to school without breakfast. That used to really entrance when we did the corporate dos – then the food they cooked goes to an underserved community.
Peak Warming Man said:
Tamb said:
captain_spalding said:But, that means it’s a national problem!
When Sydney media, and sometimes NSW politicians, refer to ‘Australia’, their concept of Australia doesn’t go much beyond the boundary Hornsby, Katoomba, and maybe as far down as Wollongong.
NSW is short for Newcastle Sydney Wollongong.I’m going to steal that and pretend I made it up.
It is worth stealing. You have good taste.
look how many fn times do we have to tell you
it’s not what you say, it’s how you say it
Brendan Blomeley, the new mayor of Clarence Council — part of Greater Hobart — adjourned last night’s meeting after ratepayer Victor Marsh attempted to ask a question about developer Chambroad’s controversial plans for Kangaroo Bay.
Mr Marsh began a question about the proposal by quoting Alderman Blomeley’s comments supporting the development from a 2021 council meeting, where he said opponents of the development had misrepresented the situation, using “tactics reminiscent of Nazi Germany’s Joseph Goebbels”.
Alderman Blomeley quickly interrupted Mr Marsh, telling him it was “an improper question” and asking him to “take a seat”. “You’re actually impugning the chair, you’re making offensive remarks,” Alderman Blomeley said. “I’m not here to debate with you, please take your seat.”
oh and who you are to say it
“They were inelegant, they were clumsy and I certainly regret them. If I’ve caused anyone any genuine discomfort by my comments I unreservedly apologise,” he said. Alderman Blomeley said it was his job to ensure council meetings run in good order, and reiterated his view Mr Marsh was “impugning the chair” and “making offensive remarks”.
SCIENCE said:
look how many fn times do we have to tell you
it’s not what you say, it’s how you say it
Brendan Blomeley, the new mayor of Clarence Council — part of Greater Hobart — adjourned last night’s meeting after ratepayer Victor Marsh attempted to ask a question about developer Chambroad’s controversial plans for Kangaroo Bay.
Mr Marsh began a question about the proposal by quoting Alderman Blomeley’s comments supporting the development from a 2021 council meeting, where he said opponents of the development had misrepresented the situation, using “tactics reminiscent of Nazi Germany’s Joseph Goebbels”.
Alderman Blomeley quickly interrupted Mr Marsh, telling him it was “an improper question” and asking him to “take a seat”. “You’re actually impugning the chair, you’re making offensive remarks,” Alderman Blomeley said. “I’m not here to debate with you, please take your seat.”
oh and who you are to say it
“They were inelegant, they were clumsy and I certainly regret them. If I’ve caused anyone any genuine discomfort by my comments I unreservedly apologise,” he said. Alderman Blomeley said it was his job to ensure council meetings run in good order, and reiterated his view Mr Marsh was “impugning the chair” and “making offensive remarks”.
He should have shouted it out in ranting German
SCIENCE said:
look how many fn times do we have to tell you
it’s not what you say, it’s how you say it
Brendan Blomeley, the new mayor of Clarence Council — part of Greater Hobart — adjourned last night’s meeting after ratepayer Victor Marsh attempted to ask a question about developer Chambroad’s controversial plans for Kangaroo Bay.
Mr Marsh began a question about the proposal by quoting Alderman Blomeley’s comments supporting the development from a 2021 council meeting, where he said opponents of the development had misrepresented the situation, using “tactics reminiscent of Nazi Germany’s Joseph Goebbels”.
Alderman Blomeley quickly interrupted Mr Marsh, telling him it was “an improper question” and asking him to “take a seat”. “You’re actually impugning the chair, you’re making offensive remarks,” Alderman Blomeley said. “I’m not here to debate with you, please take your seat.”
oh and who you are to say it
“They were inelegant, they were clumsy and I certainly regret them. If I’ve caused anyone any genuine discomfort by my comments I unreservedly apologise,” he said. Alderman Blomeley said it was his job to ensure council meetings run in good order, and reiterated his view Mr Marsh was “impugning the chair” and “making offensive remarks”.
My Hobart bro-in-law was a manager of various Clarence Council departments before retiring last year. I imagine he’s happy to have missed all these fireworks :)
meanwhile…
The Tasmanian government has been busy pushing its business case for the controversial $715 million AFL stadium it is busting to build on the last large tract of prime waterfront land in central Hobart – Macquarie Point.
Premier Jeremy Rockliff has been talking up the stadium for months, bowing to the demands of the AFL which will only grant Tasmania a football team on condition of a new stadium being built at Macquarie Point, even though that site had been earmarked for other plans. The AFL has pledged $15 million towards the stadium – about one-50th of the cost.
The premier himself has acknowledged that without $240 million in federal funding the stadium proposal is dead.
On Saturday, when asked by a Hobart radio station about the stadium plans, the Prime Minister chose his words carefully, but his reservations about a stadium being the best solution for Macquarie Point were clear. He pointed to Sydney’s Barangaroo as a vibrant example of urban renewal, cautioning, “What you don’t want is a stadium, that when things aren’t happening there, there isn’t economic activity in the area.”
None of this stopped Hobart’s only major newspaper, Murdoch-owned The Mercury, from reporting on Monday that Albanese “warmed the hearts of those backing a stadium and Tasmanian’s AFL dream”. Ah, no, not really. But spin, unfortunately, has been The Mercury’s default position on this subject.
Rockliff and the AFL are infatuated with the idea of a stadium at Macquarie Point, and their desires are being fanned by The Mercury, which doesn’t miss an opportunity to promote the proposal on its front page, gathering sound bites from everyone from English pop star Robbie Williams (who has never been to Hobart, but would “love to , even if they have a medium-sized stadium”) to television breakfast host David Koch, president of Port Adelaide Football Club (“It is about respecting your fans enough to give them the best show in sport”). Curiously, these sound bites, (and others first published in The Mercury) are repeated in the “testimonials” section of Tasmanian government’s business case for the stadium, along with a testimonial from The Mercury’s editor.
Of course there was no mention of that in the packed Hobart town hall in November where the mood was decidedly against the stadium and Booker Prize-winning author Richard Flanagan pointed out a profound conflict of interest at the heart of The Mercury’s pro-stadium campaign: the paper’s owner, News Corp, also the majority owner of Foxtel, has billions of dollars invested in AFL broadcasting rights.
Never mind that a cost-benefit analysis from MI Global Partners, commissioned by the Tasmanian government last year, and released only last week, shows that the stadium will lose $300 million over 20 years of operation. In other words, the state will be propping up a proposal that primarily benefits the AFL.
The Tasmanian government claims the stadium will deliver $2.2 billion to the economy over 25 years, which it will invest in “schools, hospitals, roads, social housing and future critical infrastructure projects”. The problem is, schools, hospitals, roads, and social housing are critical infrastructure projects that need investment now. It’s no joke that Tasmania has the highest levels of illiteracy and lowest life expectancy of any Australian state.
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But the state government’s business case, released two days before Christmas, was near breathless about the stadium. It would miraculously “unlock transport corridors” (in a city where public transport is virtually non-existent and limited access roads into town congest at the drop of hat); coax people off the couch and into playing sport; boost their mental and physical health; improve Tasmania’s “green credentials”; attract “cultural exhibitions” and prevent Tasmanians from moving interstate; make Tasmania a “destination of choice … the whole year round”; and have the same global impact that MONA did, “providing Australians and people from across the world with a reason to come here”.
What’s really hard to stomach is that the Tasmanian government is cynically riding on the coat tails of MONA to bolster its pitch. The business case mentions the gallery no fewer than 11 times, the museum’s winter festival, Dark Mofo, six times, and summer festival Mona Foma once. This is odd, as the stadium proposal has overshadowed the vision commissioned from MONA for Macquarie Point, which had as its centrepiece a Truth and Reconciliation Art Park. Apparently there is “scope and aspiration” to include a reconciliation park, although there’s no mention of funding for it.
The extravagant claims being made about the stadium fly in the face of the reality that the arts transformed Hobart and Tasmania, through the privately funded MONA and its associated festivals, which truly did give people from around the world a reason to visit.
Rockliff is right about one thing, this is a “once-in-a-generational opportunity” for a site that is a vital piece of Hobart’s scenic waterfront. But what we have here is an unelected football organisation dictating the development of that key site, with the backing of the Murdoch media, and an elected government seemingly kowtowing to its demands.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/murdoch-mona-and-the-afl-s-chokehold-on-tasmania-20230110-p5cbnl.html
Bubblecar said:
SCIENCE said:look how many fn times do we have to tell you
it’s not what you say, it’s how you say it
Brendan Blomeley, the new mayor of Clarence Council — part of Greater Hobart — adjourned last night’s meeting after ratepayer Victor Marsh attempted to ask a question about developer Chambroad’s controversial plans for Kangaroo Bay.
Mr Marsh began a question about the proposal by quoting Alderman Blomeley’s comments supporting the development from a 2021 council meeting, where he said opponents of the development had misrepresented the situation, using “tactics reminiscent of Nazi Germany’s Joseph Goebbels”.
Alderman Blomeley quickly interrupted Mr Marsh, telling him it was “an improper question” and asking him to “take a seat”. “You’re actually impugning the chair, you’re making offensive remarks,” Alderman Blomeley said. “I’m not here to debate with you, please take your seat.”
oh and who you are to say it
“They were inelegant, they were clumsy and I certainly regret them. If I’ve caused anyone any genuine discomfort by my comments I unreservedly apologise,” he said. Alderman Blomeley said it was his job to ensure council meetings run in good order, and reiterated his view Mr Marsh was “impugning the chair” and “making offensive remarks”.
My Hobart bro-in-law was a manager of various Clarence Council departments before retiring last year. I imagine he’s happy to have missed all these fireworks :)
How long has it been taboo to reference the Nazis outside of some historical context and people still do it
sarahs mum said:
meanwhile…The Tasmanian government has been busy pushing its business case for the controversial $715 million AFL stadium it is busting to build on the last large tract of prime waterfront land in central Hobart – Macquarie Point.
Premier Jeremy Rockliff has been talking up the stadium for months, bowing to the demands of the AFL which will only grant Tasmania a football team on condition of a new stadium being built at Macquarie Point, even though that site had been earmarked for other plans. The AFL has pledged $15 million towards the stadium – about one-50th of the cost.
The premier himself has acknowledged that without $240 million in federal funding the stadium proposal is dead.
On Saturday, when asked by a Hobart radio station about the stadium plans, the Prime Minister chose his words carefully, but his reservations about a stadium being the best solution for Macquarie Point were clear. He pointed to Sydney’s Barangaroo as a vibrant example of urban renewal, cautioning, “What you don’t want is a stadium, that when things aren’t happening there, there isn’t economic activity in the area.”
None of this stopped Hobart’s only major newspaper, Murdoch-owned The Mercury, from reporting on Monday that Albanese “warmed the hearts of those backing a stadium and Tasmanian’s AFL dream”. Ah, no, not really. But spin, unfortunately, has been The Mercury’s default position on this subject.
Rockliff and the AFL are infatuated with the idea of a stadium at Macquarie Point, and their desires are being fanned by The Mercury, which doesn’t miss an opportunity to promote the proposal on its front page, gathering sound bites from everyone from English pop star Robbie Williams (who has never been to Hobart, but would “love to , even if they have a medium-sized stadium”) to television breakfast host David Koch, president of Port Adelaide Football Club (“It is about respecting your fans enough to give them the best show in sport”). Curiously, these sound bites, (and others first published in The Mercury) are repeated in the “testimonials” section of Tasmanian government’s business case for the stadium, along with a testimonial from The Mercury’s editor.
Of course there was no mention of that in the packed Hobart town hall in November where the mood was decidedly against the stadium and Booker Prize-winning author Richard Flanagan pointed out a profound conflict of interest at the heart of The Mercury’s pro-stadium campaign: the paper’s owner, News Corp, also the majority owner of Foxtel, has billions of dollars invested in AFL broadcasting rights.
Never mind that a cost-benefit analysis from MI Global Partners, commissioned by the Tasmanian government last year, and released only last week, shows that the stadium will lose $300 million over 20 years of operation. In other words, the state will be propping up a proposal that primarily benefits the AFL.
The Tasmanian government claims the stadium will deliver $2.2 billion to the economy over 25 years, which it will invest in “schools, hospitals, roads, social housing and future critical infrastructure projects”. The problem is, schools, hospitals, roads, and social housing are critical infrastructure projects that need investment now. It’s no joke that Tasmania has the highest levels of illiteracy and lowest life expectancy of any Australian state.
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D-Day looms for Hobart stadium call; ex-Pie Keane for a fresh start; Hawkins begins runningBut the state government’s business case, released two days before Christmas, was near breathless about the stadium. It would miraculously “unlock transport corridors” (in a city where public transport is virtually non-existent and limited access roads into town congest at the drop of hat); coax people off the couch and into playing sport; boost their mental and physical health; improve Tasmania’s “green credentials”; attract “cultural exhibitions” and prevent Tasmanians from moving interstate; make Tasmania a “destination of choice … the whole year round”; and have the same global impact that MONA did, “providing Australians and people from across the world with a reason to come here”.
What’s really hard to stomach is that the Tasmanian government is cynically riding on the coat tails of MONA to bolster its pitch. The business case mentions the gallery no fewer than 11 times, the museum’s winter festival, Dark Mofo, six times, and summer festival Mona Foma once. This is odd, as the stadium proposal has overshadowed the vision commissioned from MONA for Macquarie Point, which had as its centrepiece a Truth and Reconciliation Art Park. Apparently there is “scope and aspiration” to include a reconciliation park, although there’s no mention of funding for it.
The extravagant claims being made about the stadium fly in the face of the reality that the arts transformed Hobart and Tasmania, through the privately funded MONA and its associated festivals, which truly did give people from around the world a reason to visit.
Rockliff is right about one thing, this is a “once-in-a-generational opportunity” for a site that is a vital piece of Hobart’s scenic waterfront. But what we have here is an unelected football organisation dictating the development of that key site, with the backing of the Murdoch media, and an elected government seemingly kowtowing to its demands.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/murdoch-mona-and-the-afl-s-chokehold-on-tasmania-20230110-p5cbnl.html
Sports are a good distraction from real problems, “look at the ball, look at the ball, chasey chasey good monkey”
Cymek said:
sarahs mum said:
meanwhile…The Tasmanian government has been busy pushing its business case for the controversial $715 million AFL stadium it is busting to build on the last large tract of prime waterfront land in central Hobart – Macquarie Point.
Premier Jeremy Rockliff has been talking up the stadium for months, bowing to the demands of the AFL which will only grant Tasmania a football team on condition of a new stadium being built at Macquarie Point, even though that site had been earmarked for other plans. The AFL has pledged $15 million towards the stadium – about one-50th of the cost.
The premier himself has acknowledged that without $240 million in federal funding the stadium proposal is dead.
On Saturday, when asked by a Hobart radio station about the stadium plans, the Prime Minister chose his words carefully, but his reservations about a stadium being the best solution for Macquarie Point were clear. He pointed to Sydney’s Barangaroo as a vibrant example of urban renewal, cautioning, “What you don’t want is a stadium, that when things aren’t happening there, there isn’t economic activity in the area.”
None of this stopped Hobart’s only major newspaper, Murdoch-owned The Mercury, from reporting on Monday that Albanese “warmed the hearts of those backing a stadium and Tasmanian’s AFL dream”. Ah, no, not really. But spin, unfortunately, has been The Mercury’s default position on this subject.
Rockliff and the AFL are infatuated with the idea of a stadium at Macquarie Point, and their desires are being fanned by The Mercury, which doesn’t miss an opportunity to promote the proposal on its front page, gathering sound bites from everyone from English pop star Robbie Williams (who has never been to Hobart, but would “love to , even if they have a medium-sized stadium”) to television breakfast host David Koch, president of Port Adelaide Football Club (“It is about respecting your fans enough to give them the best show in sport”). Curiously, these sound bites, (and others first published in The Mercury) are repeated in the “testimonials” section of Tasmanian government’s business case for the stadium, along with a testimonial from The Mercury’s editor.
Of course there was no mention of that in the packed Hobart town hall in November where the mood was decidedly against the stadium and Booker Prize-winning author Richard Flanagan pointed out a profound conflict of interest at the heart of The Mercury’s pro-stadium campaign: the paper’s owner, News Corp, also the majority owner of Foxtel, has billions of dollars invested in AFL broadcasting rights.
Never mind that a cost-benefit analysis from MI Global Partners, commissioned by the Tasmanian government last year, and released only last week, shows that the stadium will lose $300 million over 20 years of operation. In other words, the state will be propping up a proposal that primarily benefits the AFL.
The Tasmanian government claims the stadium will deliver $2.2 billion to the economy over 25 years, which it will invest in “schools, hospitals, roads, social housing and future critical infrastructure projects”. The problem is, schools, hospitals, roads, and social housing are critical infrastructure projects that need investment now. It’s no joke that Tasmania has the highest levels of illiteracy and lowest life expectancy of any Australian state.
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D-Day looms for Hobart stadium call; ex-Pie Keane for a fresh start; Hawkins begins runningBut the state government’s business case, released two days before Christmas, was near breathless about the stadium. It would miraculously “unlock transport corridors” (in a city where public transport is virtually non-existent and limited access roads into town congest at the drop of hat); coax people off the couch and into playing sport; boost their mental and physical health; improve Tasmania’s “green credentials”; attract “cultural exhibitions” and prevent Tasmanians from moving interstate; make Tasmania a “destination of choice … the whole year round”; and have the same global impact that MONA did, “providing Australians and people from across the world with a reason to come here”.
What’s really hard to stomach is that the Tasmanian government is cynically riding on the coat tails of MONA to bolster its pitch. The business case mentions the gallery no fewer than 11 times, the museum’s winter festival, Dark Mofo, six times, and summer festival Mona Foma once. This is odd, as the stadium proposal has overshadowed the vision commissioned from MONA for Macquarie Point, which had as its centrepiece a Truth and Reconciliation Art Park. Apparently there is “scope and aspiration” to include a reconciliation park, although there’s no mention of funding for it.
The extravagant claims being made about the stadium fly in the face of the reality that the arts transformed Hobart and Tasmania, through the privately funded MONA and its associated festivals, which truly did give people from around the world a reason to visit.
Rockliff is right about one thing, this is a “once-in-a-generational opportunity” for a site that is a vital piece of Hobart’s scenic waterfront. But what we have here is an unelected football organisation dictating the development of that key site, with the backing of the Murdoch media, and an elected government seemingly kowtowing to its demands.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/murdoch-mona-and-the-afl-s-chokehold-on-tasmania-20230110-p5cbnl.html
Sports are a good distraction from real problems, “look at the ball, look at the ball, chasey chasey good monkey”
Are they any worse than TV, films, interpretive dance?
Witty Rejoinder said:
Cymek said:
sarahs mum said:
meanwhile…The Tasmanian government has been busy pushing its business case for the controversial $715 million AFL stadium it is busting to build on the last large tract of prime waterfront land in central Hobart – Macquarie Point.
Premier Jeremy Rockliff has been talking up the stadium for months, bowing to the demands of the AFL which will only grant Tasmania a football team on condition of a new stadium being built at Macquarie Point, even though that site had been earmarked for other plans. The AFL has pledged $15 million towards the stadium – about one-50th of the cost.
The premier himself has acknowledged that without $240 million in federal funding the stadium proposal is dead.
On Saturday, when asked by a Hobart radio station about the stadium plans, the Prime Minister chose his words carefully, but his reservations about a stadium being the best solution for Macquarie Point were clear. He pointed to Sydney’s Barangaroo as a vibrant example of urban renewal, cautioning, “What you don’t want is a stadium, that when things aren’t happening there, there isn’t economic activity in the area.”
None of this stopped Hobart’s only major newspaper, Murdoch-owned The Mercury, from reporting on Monday that Albanese “warmed the hearts of those backing a stadium and Tasmanian’s AFL dream”. Ah, no, not really. But spin, unfortunately, has been The Mercury’s default position on this subject.
Rockliff and the AFL are infatuated with the idea of a stadium at Macquarie Point, and their desires are being fanned by The Mercury, which doesn’t miss an opportunity to promote the proposal on its front page, gathering sound bites from everyone from English pop star Robbie Williams (who has never been to Hobart, but would “love to , even if they have a medium-sized stadium”) to television breakfast host David Koch, president of Port Adelaide Football Club (“It is about respecting your fans enough to give them the best show in sport”). Curiously, these sound bites, (and others first published in The Mercury) are repeated in the “testimonials” section of Tasmanian government’s business case for the stadium, along with a testimonial from The Mercury’s editor.
Of course there was no mention of that in the packed Hobart town hall in November where the mood was decidedly against the stadium and Booker Prize-winning author Richard Flanagan pointed out a profound conflict of interest at the heart of The Mercury’s pro-stadium campaign: the paper’s owner, News Corp, also the majority owner of Foxtel, has billions of dollars invested in AFL broadcasting rights.
Never mind that a cost-benefit analysis from MI Global Partners, commissioned by the Tasmanian government last year, and released only last week, shows that the stadium will lose $300 million over 20 years of operation. In other words, the state will be propping up a proposal that primarily benefits the AFL.
The Tasmanian government claims the stadium will deliver $2.2 billion to the economy over 25 years, which it will invest in “schools, hospitals, roads, social housing and future critical infrastructure projects”. The problem is, schools, hospitals, roads, and social housing are critical infrastructure projects that need investment now. It’s no joke that Tasmania has the highest levels of illiteracy and lowest life expectancy of any Australian state.
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D-Day looms for Hobart stadium call; ex-Pie Keane for a fresh start; Hawkins begins runningBut the state government’s business case, released two days before Christmas, was near breathless about the stadium. It would miraculously “unlock transport corridors” (in a city where public transport is virtually non-existent and limited access roads into town congest at the drop of hat); coax people off the couch and into playing sport; boost their mental and physical health; improve Tasmania’s “green credentials”; attract “cultural exhibitions” and prevent Tasmanians from moving interstate; make Tasmania a “destination of choice … the whole year round”; and have the same global impact that MONA did, “providing Australians and people from across the world with a reason to come here”.
What’s really hard to stomach is that the Tasmanian government is cynically riding on the coat tails of MONA to bolster its pitch. The business case mentions the gallery no fewer than 11 times, the museum’s winter festival, Dark Mofo, six times, and summer festival Mona Foma once. This is odd, as the stadium proposal has overshadowed the vision commissioned from MONA for Macquarie Point, which had as its centrepiece a Truth and Reconciliation Art Park. Apparently there is “scope and aspiration” to include a reconciliation park, although there’s no mention of funding for it.
The extravagant claims being made about the stadium fly in the face of the reality that the arts transformed Hobart and Tasmania, through the privately funded MONA and its associated festivals, which truly did give people from around the world a reason to visit.
Rockliff is right about one thing, this is a “once-in-a-generational opportunity” for a site that is a vital piece of Hobart’s scenic waterfront. But what we have here is an unelected football organisation dictating the development of that key site, with the backing of the Murdoch media, and an elected government seemingly kowtowing to its demands.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/murdoch-mona-and-the-afl-s-chokehold-on-tasmania-20230110-p5cbnl.html
Sports are a good distraction from real problems, “look at the ball, look at the ball, chasey chasey good monkey”
Are they any worse than TV, films, interpretive dance?
They are very popular with the lower classes.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Cymek said:
sarahs mum said:
meanwhile…The Tasmanian government has been busy pushing its business case for the controversial $715 million AFL stadium it is busting to build on the last large tract of prime waterfront land in central Hobart – Macquarie Point.
Premier Jeremy Rockliff has been talking up the stadium for months, bowing to the demands of the AFL which will only grant Tasmania a football team on condition of a new stadium being built at Macquarie Point, even though that site had been earmarked for other plans. The AFL has pledged $15 million towards the stadium – about one-50th of the cost.
The premier himself has acknowledged that without $240 million in federal funding the stadium proposal is dead.
On Saturday, when asked by a Hobart radio station about the stadium plans, the Prime Minister chose his words carefully, but his reservations about a stadium being the best solution for Macquarie Point were clear. He pointed to Sydney’s Barangaroo as a vibrant example of urban renewal, cautioning, “What you don’t want is a stadium, that when things aren’t happening there, there isn’t economic activity in the area.”
None of this stopped Hobart’s only major newspaper, Murdoch-owned The Mercury, from reporting on Monday that Albanese “warmed the hearts of those backing a stadium and Tasmanian’s AFL dream”. Ah, no, not really. But spin, unfortunately, has been The Mercury’s default position on this subject.
Rockliff and the AFL are infatuated with the idea of a stadium at Macquarie Point, and their desires are being fanned by The Mercury, which doesn’t miss an opportunity to promote the proposal on its front page, gathering sound bites from everyone from English pop star Robbie Williams (who has never been to Hobart, but would “love to , even if they have a medium-sized stadium”) to television breakfast host David Koch, president of Port Adelaide Football Club (“It is about respecting your fans enough to give them the best show in sport”). Curiously, these sound bites, (and others first published in The Mercury) are repeated in the “testimonials” section of Tasmanian government’s business case for the stadium, along with a testimonial from The Mercury’s editor.
Of course there was no mention of that in the packed Hobart town hall in November where the mood was decidedly against the stadium and Booker Prize-winning author Richard Flanagan pointed out a profound conflict of interest at the heart of The Mercury’s pro-stadium campaign: the paper’s owner, News Corp, also the majority owner of Foxtel, has billions of dollars invested in AFL broadcasting rights.
Never mind that a cost-benefit analysis from MI Global Partners, commissioned by the Tasmanian government last year, and released only last week, shows that the stadium will lose $300 million over 20 years of operation. In other words, the state will be propping up a proposal that primarily benefits the AFL.
The Tasmanian government claims the stadium will deliver $2.2 billion to the economy over 25 years, which it will invest in “schools, hospitals, roads, social housing and future critical infrastructure projects”. The problem is, schools, hospitals, roads, and social housing are critical infrastructure projects that need investment now. It’s no joke that Tasmania has the highest levels of illiteracy and lowest life expectancy of any Australian state.
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D-Day looms for Hobart stadium call; ex-Pie Keane for a fresh start; Hawkins begins runningBut the state government’s business case, released two days before Christmas, was near breathless about the stadium. It would miraculously “unlock transport corridors” (in a city where public transport is virtually non-existent and limited access roads into town congest at the drop of hat); coax people off the couch and into playing sport; boost their mental and physical health; improve Tasmania’s “green credentials”; attract “cultural exhibitions” and prevent Tasmanians from moving interstate; make Tasmania a “destination of choice … the whole year round”; and have the same global impact that MONA did, “providing Australians and people from across the world with a reason to come here”.
What’s really hard to stomach is that the Tasmanian government is cynically riding on the coat tails of MONA to bolster its pitch. The business case mentions the gallery no fewer than 11 times, the museum’s winter festival, Dark Mofo, six times, and summer festival Mona Foma once. This is odd, as the stadium proposal has overshadowed the vision commissioned from MONA for Macquarie Point, which had as its centrepiece a Truth and Reconciliation Art Park. Apparently there is “scope and aspiration” to include a reconciliation park, although there’s no mention of funding for it.
The extravagant claims being made about the stadium fly in the face of the reality that the arts transformed Hobart and Tasmania, through the privately funded MONA and its associated festivals, which truly did give people from around the world a reason to visit.
Rockliff is right about one thing, this is a “once-in-a-generational opportunity” for a site that is a vital piece of Hobart’s scenic waterfront. But what we have here is an unelected football organisation dictating the development of that key site, with the backing of the Murdoch media, and an elected government seemingly kowtowing to its demands.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/murdoch-mona-and-the-afl-s-chokehold-on-tasmania-20230110-p5cbnl.html
Sports are a good distraction from real problems, “look at the ball, look at the ball, chasey chasey good monkey”
Are they any worse than TV, films, interpretive dance?
No, but stadiums seem to be paid for by state government to benefit the rich sports organisations
OK you want a stadium you pay for it and its operating costs throughout its lifetime, no, then no deal
sibeen said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Cymek said:Sports are a good distraction from real problems, “look at the ball, look at the ball, chasey chasey good monkey”
Are they any worse than TV, films, interpretive dance?
They are very popular with the lower classes.
The proles aren’t even human.
Witty Rejoinder said:
sibeen said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Are they any worse than TV, films, interpretive dance?
They are very popular with the lower classes.
The proles aren’t even human.
I’ve been told that all my life.
Cymek said:
sarahs mum said:
meanwhile…The Tasmanian government has been busy pushing its business case for the controversial $715 million AFL stadium it is busting to build on the last large tract of prime waterfront land in central Hobart – Macquarie Point.
Premier Jeremy Rockliff has been talking up the stadium for months, bowing to the demands of the AFL which will only grant Tasmania a football team on condition of a new stadium being built at Macquarie Point, even though that site had been earmarked for other plans. The AFL has pledged $15 million towards the stadium – about one-50th of the cost.
The premier himself has acknowledged that without $240 million in federal funding the stadium proposal is dead.
On Saturday, when asked by a Hobart radio station about the stadium plans, the Prime Minister chose his words carefully, but his reservations about a stadium being the best solution for Macquarie Point were clear. He pointed to Sydney’s Barangaroo as a vibrant example of urban renewal, cautioning, “What you don’t want is a stadium, that when things aren’t happening there, there isn’t economic activity in the area.”
None of this stopped Hobart’s only major newspaper, Murdoch-owned The Mercury, from reporting on Monday that Albanese “warmed the hearts of those backing a stadium and Tasmanian’s AFL dream”. Ah, no, not really. But spin, unfortunately, has been The Mercury’s default position on this subject.
Rockliff and the AFL are infatuated with the idea of a stadium at Macquarie Point, and their desires are being fanned by The Mercury, which doesn’t miss an opportunity to promote the proposal on its front page, gathering sound bites from everyone from English pop star Robbie Williams (who has never been to Hobart, but would “love to , even if they have a medium-sized stadium”) to television breakfast host David Koch, president of Port Adelaide Football Club (“It is about respecting your fans enough to give them the best show in sport”). Curiously, these sound bites, (and others first published in The Mercury) are repeated in the “testimonials” section of Tasmanian government’s business case for the stadium, along with a testimonial from The Mercury’s editor.
Of course there was no mention of that in the packed Hobart town hall in November where the mood was decidedly against the stadium and Booker Prize-winning author Richard Flanagan pointed out a profound conflict of interest at the heart of The Mercury’s pro-stadium campaign: the paper’s owner, News Corp, also the majority owner of Foxtel, has billions of dollars invested in AFL broadcasting rights.
Never mind that a cost-benefit analysis from MI Global Partners, commissioned by the Tasmanian government last year, and released only last week, shows that the stadium will lose $300 million over 20 years of operation. In other words, the state will be propping up a proposal that primarily benefits the AFL.
The Tasmanian government claims the stadium will deliver $2.2 billion to the economy over 25 years, which it will invest in “schools, hospitals, roads, social housing and future critical infrastructure projects”. The problem is, schools, hospitals, roads, and social housing are critical infrastructure projects that need investment now. It’s no joke that Tasmania has the highest levels of illiteracy and lowest life expectancy of any Australian state.
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D-Day looms for Hobart stadium call; ex-Pie Keane for a fresh start; Hawkins begins runningBut the state government’s business case, released two days before Christmas, was near breathless about the stadium. It would miraculously “unlock transport corridors” (in a city where public transport is virtually non-existent and limited access roads into town congest at the drop of hat); coax people off the couch and into playing sport; boost their mental and physical health; improve Tasmania’s “green credentials”; attract “cultural exhibitions” and prevent Tasmanians from moving interstate; make Tasmania a “destination of choice … the whole year round”; and have the same global impact that MONA did, “providing Australians and people from across the world with a reason to come here”.
What’s really hard to stomach is that the Tasmanian government is cynically riding on the coat tails of MONA to bolster its pitch. The business case mentions the gallery no fewer than 11 times, the museum’s winter festival, Dark Mofo, six times, and summer festival Mona Foma once. This is odd, as the stadium proposal has overshadowed the vision commissioned from MONA for Macquarie Point, which had as its centrepiece a Truth and Reconciliation Art Park. Apparently there is “scope and aspiration” to include a reconciliation park, although there’s no mention of funding for it.
The extravagant claims being made about the stadium fly in the face of the reality that the arts transformed Hobart and Tasmania, through the privately funded MONA and its associated festivals, which truly did give people from around the world a reason to visit.
Rockliff is right about one thing, this is a “once-in-a-generational opportunity” for a site that is a vital piece of Hobart’s scenic waterfront. But what we have here is an unelected football organisation dictating the development of that key site, with the backing of the Murdoch media, and an elected government seemingly kowtowing to its demands.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/murdoch-mona-and-the-afl-s-chokehold-on-tasmania-20230110-p5cbnl.html
Sports are a good distraction from real problems, “look at the ball, look at the ball, chasey chasey good monkey”
Lots of people derive genuine happiness from watching and/or participating in sports. What’s a government for if not to increase the happiness of its citizens?
Is there something about the Bellerive Oval that makes it unsuitable for the AFL?
diddly-squat said:
Cymek said:
sarahs mum said:
meanwhile…The Tasmanian government has been busy pushing its business case for the controversial $715 million AFL stadium it is busting to build on the last large tract of prime waterfront land in central Hobart – Macquarie Point.
Premier Jeremy Rockliff has been talking up the stadium for months, bowing to the demands of the AFL which will only grant Tasmania a football team on condition of a new stadium being built at Macquarie Point, even though that site had been earmarked for other plans. The AFL has pledged $15 million towards the stadium – about one-50th of the cost.
The premier himself has acknowledged that without $240 million in federal funding the stadium proposal is dead.
On Saturday, when asked by a Hobart radio station about the stadium plans, the Prime Minister chose his words carefully, but his reservations about a stadium being the best solution for Macquarie Point were clear. He pointed to Sydney’s Barangaroo as a vibrant example of urban renewal, cautioning, “What you don’t want is a stadium, that when things aren’t happening there, there isn’t economic activity in the area.”
None of this stopped Hobart’s only major newspaper, Murdoch-owned The Mercury, from reporting on Monday that Albanese “warmed the hearts of those backing a stadium and Tasmanian’s AFL dream”. Ah, no, not really. But spin, unfortunately, has been The Mercury’s default position on this subject.
Rockliff and the AFL are infatuated with the idea of a stadium at Macquarie Point, and their desires are being fanned by The Mercury, which doesn’t miss an opportunity to promote the proposal on its front page, gathering sound bites from everyone from English pop star Robbie Williams (who has never been to Hobart, but would “love to , even if they have a medium-sized stadium”) to television breakfast host David Koch, president of Port Adelaide Football Club (“It is about respecting your fans enough to give them the best show in sport”). Curiously, these sound bites, (and others first published in The Mercury) are repeated in the “testimonials” section of Tasmanian government’s business case for the stadium, along with a testimonial from The Mercury’s editor.
Of course there was no mention of that in the packed Hobart town hall in November where the mood was decidedly against the stadium and Booker Prize-winning author Richard Flanagan pointed out a profound conflict of interest at the heart of The Mercury’s pro-stadium campaign: the paper’s owner, News Corp, also the majority owner of Foxtel, has billions of dollars invested in AFL broadcasting rights.
Never mind that a cost-benefit analysis from MI Global Partners, commissioned by the Tasmanian government last year, and released only last week, shows that the stadium will lose $300 million over 20 years of operation. In other words, the state will be propping up a proposal that primarily benefits the AFL.
The Tasmanian government claims the stadium will deliver $2.2 billion to the economy over 25 years, which it will invest in “schools, hospitals, roads, social housing and future critical infrastructure projects”. The problem is, schools, hospitals, roads, and social housing are critical infrastructure projects that need investment now. It’s no joke that Tasmania has the highest levels of illiteracy and lowest life expectancy of any Australian state.
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D-Day looms for Hobart stadium call; ex-Pie Keane for a fresh start; Hawkins begins runningBut the state government’s business case, released two days before Christmas, was near breathless about the stadium. It would miraculously “unlock transport corridors” (in a city where public transport is virtually non-existent and limited access roads into town congest at the drop of hat); coax people off the couch and into playing sport; boost their mental and physical health; improve Tasmania’s “green credentials”; attract “cultural exhibitions” and prevent Tasmanians from moving interstate; make Tasmania a “destination of choice … the whole year round”; and have the same global impact that MONA did, “providing Australians and people from across the world with a reason to come here”.
What’s really hard to stomach is that the Tasmanian government is cynically riding on the coat tails of MONA to bolster its pitch. The business case mentions the gallery no fewer than 11 times, the museum’s winter festival, Dark Mofo, six times, and summer festival Mona Foma once. This is odd, as the stadium proposal has overshadowed the vision commissioned from MONA for Macquarie Point, which had as its centrepiece a Truth and Reconciliation Art Park. Apparently there is “scope and aspiration” to include a reconciliation park, although there’s no mention of funding for it.
The extravagant claims being made about the stadium fly in the face of the reality that the arts transformed Hobart and Tasmania, through the privately funded MONA and its associated festivals, which truly did give people from around the world a reason to visit.
Rockliff is right about one thing, this is a “once-in-a-generational opportunity” for a site that is a vital piece of Hobart’s scenic waterfront. But what we have here is an unelected football organisation dictating the development of that key site, with the backing of the Murdoch media, and an elected government seemingly kowtowing to its demands.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/murdoch-mona-and-the-afl-s-chokehold-on-tasmania-20230110-p5cbnl.html
Sports are a good distraction from real problems, “look at the ball, look at the ball, chasey chasey good monkey”
Lots of people derive genuine happiness from watching and/or participating in sports. What’s a government for if not to increase the happiness of its citizens?
Not paying for a stadium to benefit private industries with deep pockets
dv said:
Is there something about the Bellerive Oval that makes it unsuitable for the AFL?
Acoustics.
Players can’t hear you when you shout racial epithets at them.
dv said:
Is there something about the Bellerive Oval that makes it unsuitable for the AFL?
I’ve been there. It’s a dump. Hear what I said? It’s a dump. Took two hours to get back to central Hobart on the buses for a start. Stood at the bus stop for most of that waiting for the buses.
It’s only got one gate in and that took 1/2 hr in the queue. Abominably sign posted inside to try and find your seat.
Will not be going back there again.
It’s surrounded by residential suburban streets out in the middle of nowhere.
You just have a listen to what Bette Davis had to say about it when she visited there.
Woodie said:
dv said:
Is there something about the Bellerive Oval that makes it unsuitable for the AFL?
I’ve been there. It’s a dump. Hear what I said? It’s a dump. Took two hours to get back to central Hobart on the buses for a start. Stood at the bus stop for most of that waiting for the buses.
It’s only got one gate in and that took 1/2 hr in the queue. Abominably sign posted inside to try and find your seat.
Will not be going back there again.
It’s surrounded by residential suburban streets out in the middle of nowhere.
You just have a listen to what Bette Davis had to say about it when she visited there.
Might be more cost effective just to fix the transport issues and entrances.
dv said:
Might be more cost effective just to fix the transport issues and entrances.
If they did, it’d be the first time that the term ‘cost effective’ has had nay effect in decision-making for this sort of project.
Cymek said:
diddly-squat said:
Cymek said:Sports are a good distraction from real problems, “look at the ball, look at the ball, chasey chasey good monkey”
Lots of people derive genuine happiness from watching and/or participating in sports. What’s a government for if not to increase the happiness of its citizens?
Not paying for a stadium to benefit private industries with deep pockets
Then try the NSW gubbermint.
They knocked down this:
to build this in the exact same spot:
Woodie said:
Cymek said:
diddly-squat said:Lots of people derive genuine happiness from watching and/or participating in sports. What’s a government for if not to increase the happiness of its citizens?
Not paying for a stadium to benefit private industries with deep pockets
Then try the NSW gubbermint.
They knocked down this:
to build this in the exact same spot:
Does it have a sliding roof ?
dv said:
Woodie said:
dv said:
Is there something about the Bellerive Oval that makes it unsuitable for the AFL?
I’ve been there. It’s a dump. Hear what I said? It’s a dump. Took two hours to get back to central Hobart on the buses for a start. Stood at the bus stop for most of that waiting for the buses.
It’s only got one gate in and that took 1/2 hr in the queue. Abominably sign posted inside to try and find your seat.
Will not be going back there again.
It’s surrounded by residential suburban streets out in the middle of nowhere.
You just have a listen to what Bette Davis had to say about it when she visited there.
Might be more cost effective just to fix the transport issues and entrances.
The bus goes up and down a myriad of residential suburban streets to get there and back.
All the buses go from Church St out the front of people’s houses.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Woodie said:
Cymek said:Not paying for a stadium to benefit private industries with deep pockets
Then try the NSW gubbermint.
They knocked down this:
to build this in the exact same spot:
Does it have a sliding roof ?
nup. And no extra seats than the old one either.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:Might be more cost effective just to fix the transport issues and entrances.
If they did, it’d be the first time that the term ‘cost effective’ has had nay effect in decision-making for this sort of project.
I’m not antisports but 715 million dollars seems a flatly ridiculous amount of government money to spend on a sporting facility for a town of 200000 people, including people who’ll never want to see a football match. It’s about $3600 per person. Over what period does the government thing it will recoup this through taxation of the tickets sold?
The state’s entire revenue is 7 billion dollars. You’re looking to spend 10% of your budget on this one project.
There’s got to be a cheaper option.
Woodie said:
dv said:
Woodie said:I’ve been there. It’s a dump. Hear what I said? It’s a dump. Took two hours to get back to central Hobart on the buses for a start. Stood at the bus stop for most of that waiting for the buses.
It’s only got one gate in and that took 1/2 hr in the queue. Abominably sign posted inside to try and find your seat.
Will not be going back there again.
It’s surrounded by residential suburban streets out in the middle of nowhere.
You just have a listen to what Bette Davis had to say about it when she visited there.
Might be more cost effective just to fix the transport issues and entrances.
The bus goes up and down a myriad of residential suburban streets to get there and back.
All the buses go from Church St out the front of people’s houses.
Oh cool so there is an easy and obvious fix.
Woodie said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Woodie said:Then try the NSW gubbermint.
They knocked down this:
to build this in the exact same spot:
Does it have a sliding roof ?
nup. And no extra seats than the old one either.
Build another one.
This time with a sliding roof.
It must have a sliding roof.
No one gets wet then.
dv said:
Woodie said:
dv said:Might be more cost effective just to fix the transport issues and entrances.
The bus goes up and down a myriad of residential suburban streets to get there and back.
All the buses go from Church St out the front of people’s houses.
Oh cool so there is an easy and obvious fix.
Yes there is.. Build another one closer to town.
I don’t get into football at all but I grew up a house where Dad was always thinking football. He was the founding secretary at western suburbs leagues. i hated going to matches. My brother played too. I hated going to his matches. I quite liked the christmas party. but I get that people like football. there is social and neighbours and tribe and stuff.
I realise building a stadium costs money. we;ve put quite a bit of money into Bellerive over the years. it’s just across the river.
so TMAG(what I don’t like is that it is at Mac point. it’s another one of these you got to have a cable car up the mountain and it has to go over the organ pipes and you have to be able to see it from everywhere..
Also because sydney and melbourne.
Hobart still has an old town around the docks. people like the sandstone and the markets and the sailing boats. there are galleries and the art school and the art hotel and TMAG And over the years new developments have only been able to proceed if they were only a floor or so over the height of what exists. and this stadium is a whopper.
it is vast in it’s whoppingness.
Meanwhile the Uni is busy moving from sandy Bay to midtown.
I didn’t like the old MAC plans either. Lots of units for sale and some larger courtyard spaces. A nod to aboriginal reconciliation.
If it were me I would pull down the entertainment centre in the northern suburbs and build the new stadium there with the same river infrastructure. and then devise into the plans for the stadium to do better what the entertainment centre does now.
On Mac point I would build a small Tasmanian contemporary art gallery and a roof top scultpure garden. Only a short walk from TMAG and freeing up to galleries at TMAG to show more of the stuff in the archives. And MONA might be contemporary but it on;ly deals with sex and death and there is more to contemporary art than that. I’d go a small block of studio apartments for sale or long lease to other art schools and other governments. (there is a building in Paris that contains lots of countries artists on residency. The aus Federal govt has one as does the Hobart art school and sydney uni?) I’d rebuild the library and then flog off the old one for refurbished accomodation. I’d go lots of studio apartment and one bedroom units above retail. I’d go an all weather undercover ferry terminal (put one of those at the studium up river too) within retail, serviced apartments and backpackers. there’s got to be room for another boutique hotel. i’d put the larger buildings furthest away from sullivan’s cove and these being the unfettered northerly aspects make them worth millions. i do like some of the open spaces on the northern rim. there could still be an aboriginal interpretation/learning centre thing and art.
Build Mac point and the stadium with an overload of solar panels and run an electric bus service between each. Coz now the stadium is where people want to commute from.
Do we get to flog off KGV then?
sarahs mum said:
I realise building a stadium costs money.
It would cost 10% of your state budget.
Woodie said:
Cymek said:
diddly-squat said:Lots of people derive genuine happiness from watching and/or participating in sports. What’s a government for if not to increase the happiness of its citizens?
Not paying for a stadium to benefit private industries with deep pockets
Then try the NSW gubbermint.
They knocked down this:
to build this in the exact same spot:
And if sydney can do it..
sarahs mum said:
Woodie said:
Cymek said:Not paying for a stadium to benefit private industries with deep pockets
Then try the NSW gubbermint.
They knocked down this:
to build this in the exact same spot:
And if sydney can do it..
Sydney has 25 times the population of Hobart.
dv said:
sarahs mum said:I realise building a stadium costs money.
It would cost 10% of your state budget.
think of the jobs it would create though, The Economy Must Grow, just create jobs and it will
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
Woodie said:Then try the NSW gubbermint.
They knocked down this:
to build this in the exact same spot:
And if sydney can do it..
Sydney has 25 times the population of Hobart.
plenty of potential migrants illegal boat people waiting their turn
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:I realise building a stadium costs money.
It would cost 10% of your state budget.
think of the jobs it would create though, The Economy Must Grow, just create jobs and it will
Would it create more jobs than, say, spending the money on health, housing or education?
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:I realise building a stadium costs money.
It would cost 10% of your state budget.
think of the jobs it would create though, The Economy Must Grow, just create jobs and it will
Create a stadium, rip that down, then build another one, rip that down, build another one….
Make it recyclable then its not so bad then.
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
dv said:It would cost 10% of your state budget.
think of the jobs it would create though, The Economy Must Grow, just create jobs and it will
Would it create more jobs than, say, spending the money on health, housing or education?
I’d doubt that it would.
Tau.Neutrino said:
SCIENCE said:
dv said:It would cost 10% of your state budget.
think of the jobs it would create though, The Economy Must Grow, just create jobs and it will
Create a stadium, rip that down, then build another one, rip that down, build another one….
Make it recyclable then its not so bad then.
That way Sydney can always have a NEW stadium.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
SCIENCE said:think of the jobs it would create though, The Economy Must Grow, just create jobs and it will
Create a stadium, rip that down, then build another one, rip that down, build another one….
Make it recyclable then its not so bad then.
That way Sydney can always have a NEW stadium.
Hold a soccer match there & the fans will knock it down for you.
I should be fair … now that I’ve looked at the details, the 715 million is not just for the stadium. It includes conference and exhibition facilities.
“ It will provide the infrastructure to support a diversity of activities including festivals, community sports, Monster Jams; art galleries, theatre, while integrating parklands, playgrounds, walkways and cycleways with connections to timtumili minanya the River Derwent, the Cenotaph and the Queens Domain precincts.”
dv said:
I should be fair … now that I’ve looked at the details, the 715 million is not just for the stadium. It includes conference and exhibition facilities.“ It will provide the infrastructure to support a diversity of activities including festivals, community sports, Monster Jams; art galleries, theatre, while integrating parklands, playgrounds, walkways and cycleways with connections to timtumili minanya the River Derwent, the Cenotaph and the Queens Domain precincts.”
but what we need is accomodation.
dv said:
I should be fair … now that I’ve looked at the details, the 715 million is not just for the stadium. It includes conference and exhibition facilities.“ It will provide the infrastructure to support a diversity of activities including festivals, community sports, Monster Jams; art galleries, theatre, while integrating parklands, playgrounds, walkways and cycleways with connections to timtumili minanya the River Derwent, the Cenotaph and the Queens Domain precincts.”
And large Pentecostal revival gatherings.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
I should be fair … now that I’ve looked at the details, the 715 million is not just for the stadium. It includes conference and exhibition facilities.“ It will provide the infrastructure to support a diversity of activities including festivals, community sports, Monster Jams; art galleries, theatre, while integrating parklands, playgrounds, walkways and cycleways with connections to timtumili minanya the River Derwent, the Cenotaph and the Queens Domain precincts.”
but what we need is accomodation.
…… and community consultation.
Woodie said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
I should be fair … now that I’ve looked at the details, the 715 million is not just for the stadium. It includes conference and exhibition facilities.“ It will provide the infrastructure to support a diversity of activities including festivals, community sports, Monster Jams; art galleries, theatre, while integrating parklands, playgrounds, walkways and cycleways with connections to timtumili minanya the River Derwent, the Cenotaph and the Queens Domain precincts.”
but what we need is accomodation.
…… and community consultation.
KFC and McDonald’s.
Woodie said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
I should be fair … now that I’ve looked at the details, the 715 million is not just for the stadium. It includes conference and exhibition facilities.“ It will provide the infrastructure to support a diversity of activities including festivals, community sports, Monster Jams; art galleries, theatre, while integrating parklands, playgrounds, walkways and cycleways with connections to timtumili minanya the River Derwent, the Cenotaph and the Queens Domain precincts.”
but what we need is accomodation.
…… and community consultation.
and options.
If they are going to do this, maybe they could use the rail line for passenger rail to get some people to the stadium?
dv said:
If they are going to do this, maybe they could use the rail line for passenger rail to get some people to the stadium?
so many times. Also so many times about trams. and they just replaced most of the bus fleet with deisel.
dv said:
If they are going to do this, maybe they could use the rail line for passenger rail to get some people to the stadium?
And new underground freeways there as well.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
If they are going to do this, maybe they could use the rail line for passenger rail to get some people to the stadium?
so many times. Also so many times about trams. and they just replaced most of the bus fleet with deisel.
Right, I found this piece from 2018.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-05/curious-hobart-passneger-trains-on-old-hobart-lines/10182644
Some want to see the line repurposed as a light rail link.Mr Johnston said a modern electric train would make the journey from Bridgewater to Hobart in about 25 minutes, stopping at New Town, Moonah, Glenorchy, Berriedale and Claremont along the way.
Estimated to cost $100 million, the project would see light rail trains run at 12-minute intervals but it is yet to get the green light despite a number of investigations and reports into the feasibility of such a project and funding discussions.
“Unfortunately it’s really only an item of interest to politicians around election time and then in between elections it all seems to get too hard,” Mr Johnston said.
“I’m told it’s going to be a key part of a Hobart City Deal if and when that happens, so I hope that does happen and I hope it’s money to actually build the project rather than just do more studies.”
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
If they are going to do this, maybe they could use the rail line for passenger rail to get some people to the stadium?
so many times. Also so many times about trams. and they just replaced most of the bus fleet with deisel.
Right, I found this piece from 2018.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-05/curious-hobart-passneger-trains-on-old-hobart-lines/10182644
Some want to see the line repurposed as a light rail link.Mr Johnston said a modern electric train would make the journey from Bridgewater to Hobart in about 25 minutes, stopping at New Town, Moonah, Glenorchy, Berriedale and Claremont along the way.
Estimated to cost $100 million, the project would see light rail trains run at 12-minute intervals but it is yet to get the green light despite a number of investigations and reports into the feasibility of such a project and funding discussions.
“Unfortunately it’s really only an item of interest to politicians around election time and then in between elections it all seems to get too hard,” Mr Johnston said.
“I’m told it’s going to be a key part of a Hobart City Deal if and when that happens, so I hope that does happen and I hope it’s money to actually build the project rather than just do more studies.”
There is most of a train set. A lot of recent cycleway and walkway routes are now following it. You’d have to turn Newtown station plant nursery back into a station and that sort of stuff.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:Right, I found this piece from 2018.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-05/curious-hobart-passneger-trains-on-old-hobart-lines/10182644
Some want to see the line repurposed as a light rail link.Mr Johnston said a modern electric train would make the journey from Bridgewater to Hobart in about 25 minutes, stopping at New Town, Moonah, Glenorchy, Berriedale and Claremont along the way.
Estimated to cost $100 million, the project would see light rail trains run at 12-minute intervals but it is yet to get the green light despite a number of investigations and reports into the feasibility of such a project and funding discussions.
“Unfortunately it’s really only an item of interest to politicians around election time and then in between elections it all seems to get too hard,” Mr Johnston said.
“I’m told it’s going to be a key part of a Hobart City Deal if and when that happens, so I hope that does happen and I hope it’s money to actually build the project rather than just do more studies.”
There is most of a train set. A lot of recent cycleway and walkway routes are now following it. You’d have to turn Newtown station plant nursery back into a station and that sort of stuff.
Let’s have a refurbished passenger railway through the midlands while we’re at it.
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:There is most of a train set. A lot of recent cycleway and walkway routes are now following it. You’d have to turn Newtown station plant nursery back into a station and that sort of stuff.
Let’s have a refurbished passenger railway through the midlands while we’re at it.
Let’s put the stadium in Launceston. It needs a financial injection. and then people in Hobart can go up on the train.
sarahs mum said:
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:There is most of a train set. A lot of recent cycleway and walkway routes are now following it. You’d have to turn Newtown station plant nursery back into a station and that sort of stuff.
Let’s have a refurbished passenger railway through the midlands while we’re at it.
Let’s put the stadium in Launceston. It needs a financial injection. and then people in Hobart can go up on the train.
The Ross people (who lived in Hobart for many years) now think Launceston is a much nicer city than Hobart.
sarahs mum said:
Woodie said:
sarahs mum said:but what we need is accomodation.
…… and community consultation.
and options.
Those pundits where the decision doesn’t go in their favour, will always claim inadequate community consultation.
roughbarked said:
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
think of the jobs it would create though, The Economy Must Grow, just create jobs and it will
Would it create more jobs than, say, spending the money on health, housing or education?
I’d doubt that it would.
yeah but those things don’t add value, a big piece of fuck off chest beating display does
The playing field could slide back to reveal a large swimming pool underneath.
Tau.Neutrino said:
The playing field could slide back to reveal a large swimming pool underneath.
And the swimming pool could slide back to permit the launch of Thunderbird 1.
Tau.Neutrino said:
The playing field could slide back to reveal a large swimming pool underneath.
but will it be level?
Now that I take a look, the remaining trainlines in Hobart are mostly single track. There are some examples of cities using single track lines for light rail, but it does rather limit the rate. You can’t be zooming people in and out of a stadium like that. So I suppose the project would need to include the cost of building some secondary tracks which may mean widening the corridors. Currently the main line leading to Mac is adjacent to a bike path and we wouldn’t want to mess with that.
dv said:
Now that I take a look, the remaining trainlines in Hobart are mostly single track. There are some examples of cities using single track lines for light rail, but it does rather limit the rate. You can’t be zooming people in and out of a stadium like that. So I suppose the project would need to include the cost of building some secondary tracks which may mean widening the corridors. Currently the main line leading to Mac is adjacent to a bike path and we wouldn’t want to mess with that.
Moving around in Tasmania is a slow process.
roughbarked said:
dv said:
Now that I take a look, the remaining trainlines in Hobart are mostly single track. There are some examples of cities using single track lines for light rail, but it does rather limit the rate. You can’t be zooming people in and out of a stadium like that. So I suppose the project would need to include the cost of building some secondary tracks which may mean widening the corridors. Currently the main line leading to Mac is adjacent to a bike path and we wouldn’t want to mess with that.
Moving around in Tasmania is a slow process.
Hey was there ever a station at Campbell Town?
dv said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:
Now that I take a look, the remaining trainlines in Hobart are mostly single track. There are some examples of cities using single track lines for light rail, but it does rather limit the rate. You can’t be zooming people in and out of a stadium like that. So I suppose the project would need to include the cost of building some secondary tracks which may mean widening the corridors. Currently the main line leading to Mac is adjacent to a bike path and we wouldn’t want to mess with that.
Moving around in Tasmania is a slow process.
Hey was there ever a station at Campbell Town?
Yes there was. It was the site of Australia’s first ever telephone call in 1874, between Campbell Town Station and Launceston.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
roughbarked said:Moving around in Tasmania is a slow process.
Hey was there ever a station at Campbell Town?
Yes there was. It was the site of Australia’s first ever telephone call in 1874, between Campbell Town Station and Launceston.
Used to be on East Street but no longer exists.
https://historicalaustraliantowns.blogspot.com/2018/03/campbell-town-tasmania-longest-running.html
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:Hey was there ever a station at Campbell Town?
Yes there was. It was the site of Australia’s first ever telephone call in 1874, between Campbell Town Station and Launceston.
Used to be on East Street but no longer exists.
https://historicalaustraliantowns.blogspot.com/2018/03/campbell-town-tasmania-longest-running.html
There is still a little old freight van near where the station used to be, used as some kind of equipment store by the current railway.
Bubblecar said:
There is still a little old freight van near where the station used to be, used as some kind of equipment store by the current railway.
I wondered where that package i’d been expecting had got to.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
roughbarked said:Moving around in Tasmania is a slow process.
Hey was there ever a station at Campbell Town?
Yes there was. It was the site of Australia’s first ever telephone call in 1874, between Campbell Town Station and Launceston.
Cheers
I suppose they’d need to do quite a bit of work to make the intercity lines suitable for passenger use as well. Quite circuitous and gradey in parts and the modern rider might not accept going along at 30km/h for some sections.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
roughbarked said:Moving around in Tasmania is a slow process.
Hey was there ever a station at Campbell Town?
Yes there was. It was the site of Australia’s first ever telephone call in 1874, between Campbell Town Station and Launceston.
Wonder if it was a wrong number
Neophyte said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:Hey was there ever a station at Campbell Town?
Yes there was. It was the site of Australia’s first ever telephone call in 1874, between Campbell Town Station and Launceston.
Wonder if it was a wrong number
It was a bloody sales call.
sibeen said:
Neophyte said:
Bubblecar said:Yes there was. It was the site of Australia’s first ever telephone call in 1874, between Campbell Town Station and Launceston.
Wonder if it was a wrong number
It was a bloody sales call.
Would you like to save more money on your long distance calls?
Arts said:
sibeen said:
Neophyte said:Wonder if it was a wrong number
It was a bloody sales call.
Would you like to save more money on your long distance calls?
funny thing is launie didn’t get a telephone until 1876 so CTS was on hold for two years. They did get a recorded message. “Your call is important to us”.
ChrispenEvan said:
Arts said:
sibeen said:It was a bloody sales call.
Would you like to save more money on your long distance calls?
funny thing is launie didn’t get a telephone until 1876 so CTS was on hold for two years. They did get a recorded message. “Your call is important to us”.
you are number “One” in the line
wait we thought prohibition doesn’t work
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-24/nt-alice-springs-prime-minister-albanese-crime/101887980
but apparently deprohibition causes harm so we guess freedom is a (one way) ratchet and violence is good
dv said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
The playing field could slide back to reveal a large swimming pool underneath.but will it be level?
I’d be more concerned about it being the right length…hang about, that was the 100m track, wasn’t it.
SCIENCE said:
I liked that on Twitter this morning!
SCIENCE said:
No, race, no gender just the green of the land & the gold of the stars.
Brett’s republican aunty shared this this morning. I posted a correction.
>Subject: Fwd: The truth of Australia Day
This is information that all Australians need to know. Especially those that believe it has to do with how anybody was treated.
People should learn the true facts before opening their mouth to spew falsehood.
This information was authored by Peter Lee – it should be taught to all Australians.
‘Below is the reason Australia day is celebrated on 26 January
Here are the Facts about Australia Day but don’t expect the media to educate you with these facts as it is not part of their agenda
1. Australia Day does not celebrate the arrival of the first fleet or the invasion of anything
2. Captain Cook did not arrive in Australia on the 26th January. The landing of Captain Cook in Sydney happened on the 28th April 1770 – not on 26th January.
3. The first fleet arrived in Botany Bay on 18th January. The 26th was chosen as Australia Day for a very different and important reason.
The 26th of January is the day Australians received their independence from British Rule. However, Captain Cook’s landing was included in Australian bi-centenary celebrations of 1988 when Sydney-siders decided Captain Cook’s landing should become the focus of the Australia Day commemoration.
Sadly the importance of this date for all Australians has begun to fade and now a generation later, it is all but lost. The media as usual is happy to twist the truth for the sake of controversy.
Captain Cook didn’t land on the 26th January, so changing the date of any celebration of Captain Cook’s landing would not have any impact on Australia Day, but maybe it would clear the way for the truth about Australia Day.
Australians of today abhor what was done under British governance to the Aborigines, the Irish and many other cultures around the world. So after the horrors of WW11, we decided to try and fix it. We became our own people.
On 26th January 1949, the Australian nationality came into existence when the Nationality and Citizenship Act 1948 was enacted. That was the day we were first called Australians and allowed to travel with passports as Australians and NOT British subjects.
In 1949 therefore, we all became Australian citizens under the Nationality and Citizenship Act 1948.
Before that special date, all people living in Australia, including Aborigines, were called ‘British Subjects’ and forced to travel on British passports and fight in British wars.
This is why we celebrate Australia Day on the 26th January. This was the day Australians became free to make our own decisions about which wars we would fight and how our citizens would be treated. It was the day we were all declared Australians.
Until this date,Aborigines were not protected by law For the first time since Captain Cook’s landing this new Act gave Aboriginal Australians the full protection of Australian Law.
This is why 26th January is the day new Australians receive their citizenship It is a day which celebrates the implementation of the Nationality of Citizenship Act of 1948 –The Act which gave freedom and protection to the first Australians and gives all Australians, old and new, the right to live under the protection of the Australian Law”, united as one nation.
What was achieved that day is something for which all Australians can be proud.
Isn’t it time therefore that all Australians were taught the real reason we celebrate Australia Day on 26th January? In one way or another, we are ALL descendants of Australia ALL OF US. So we should ALL be celebrating and giving thanks for the freedoms, the lifestyles and opportunities that we currently enjoy, thanks to the strengths and battles of our ancestors.’
PASS THIS INFORMATION ON TO ALL YOUR FAMILIES AND FRIENDS
Tamb said:
SCIENCE said:
I prefer this:No, race, no gender just the green of the land & the gold of the stars.
‘The green of the land’?
No, we’d need two flags.
One with a brown background for use in the majority of years, and one with a green background for when La Nina pays the occasional visit.
sarahs mum said:
Brett’s republican aunty shared this this morning. I posted a correction.>Subject: Fwd: The truth of Australia Day
This is information that all Australians need to know. Especially those that believe it has to do with how anybody was treated.
People should learn the true facts before opening their mouth to spew falsehood.
This information was authored by Peter Lee – it should be taught to all Australians.
‘Below is the reason Australia day is celebrated on 26 January
Here are the Facts about Australia Day but don’t expect the media to educate you with these facts as it is not part of their agenda
1. Australia Day does not celebrate the arrival of the first fleet or the invasion of anything
2. Captain Cook did not arrive in Australia on the 26th January. The landing of Captain Cook in Sydney happened on the 28th April 1770 – not on 26th January.
3. The first fleet arrived in Botany Bay on 18th January. The 26th was chosen as Australia Day for a very different and important reason.
The 26th of January is the day Australians received their independence from British Rule. However, Captain Cook’s landing was included in Australian bi-centenary celebrations of 1988 when Sydney-siders decided Captain Cook’s landing should become the focus of the Australia Day commemoration. Sadly the importance of this date for all Australians has begun to fade and now a generation later, it is all but lost. The media as usual is happy to twist the truth for the sake of controversy.
Captain Cook didn’t land on the 26th January, so changing the date of any celebration of Captain Cook’s landing would not have any impact on Australia Day, but maybe it would clear the way for the truth about Australia Day.
Australians of today abhor what was done under British governance to the Aborigines, the Irish and many other cultures around the world. So after the horrors of WW11, we decided to try and fix it. We became our own people.
On 26th January 1949, the Australian nationality came into existence when the Nationality and Citizenship Act 1948 was enacted. That was the day we were first called Australians and allowed to travel with passports as Australians and NOT British subjects.
In 1949 therefore, we all became Australian citizens under the Nationality and Citizenship Act 1948.
Before that special date, all people living in Australia, including Aborigines, were called ‘British Subjects’ and forced to travel on British passports and fight in British wars.
This is why we celebrate Australia Day on the 26th January. This was the day Australians became free to make our own decisions about which wars we would fight and how our citizens would be treated. It was the day we were all declared Australians.
Until this date,Aborigines were not protected by law For the first time since Captain Cook’s landing this new Act gave Aboriginal Australians the full protection of Australian Law.
This is why 26th January is the day new Australians receive their citizenship It is a day which celebrates the implementation of the Nationality of Citizenship Act of 1948 –The Act which gave freedom and protection to the first Australians and gives all Australians, old and new, the right to live under the protection of the Australian Law”, united as one nation.
What was achieved that day is something for which all Australians can be proud.
Isn’t it time therefore that all Australians were taught the real reason we celebrate Australia Day on 26th January? In one way or another, we are ALL descendants of Australia ALL OF US. So we should ALL be celebrating and giving thanks for the freedoms, the lifestyles and opportunities that we currently enjoy, thanks to the strengths and battles of our ancestors.’
PASS THIS INFORMATION ON TO ALL YOUR FAMILIES AND FRIENDS
We were British subjects until the mid-1970s.
captain_spalding said:
Tamb said:
SCIENCE said:
I prefer this:No, race, no gender just the green of the land & the gold of the stars.
‘The green of the land’?
No, we’d need two flags.
One with a brown background for use in the majority of years, and one with a green background for when La Nina pays the occasional visit.
I like the one in the tweet. It’s inclusive of the people not just the land. And it looks nicer.
captain_spalding said:
Tamb said:
SCIENCE said:
I prefer this:No, race, no gender just the green of the land & the gold of the stars.
‘The green of the land’?
No, we’d need two flags.
One with a brown background for use in the majority of years, and one with a green background for when La Nina pays the occasional visit.
Arts said:
captain_spalding said:
Tamb said:I prefer this:
No, race, no gender just the green of the land & the gold of the stars.
‘The green of the land’?
No, we’d need two flags.
One with a brown background for use in the majority of years, and one with a green background for when La Nina pays the occasional visit.
I like the one in the tweet. It’s inclusive of the people not just the land. And it looks nicer.
Tamb said:
Arts said:
captain_spalding said:‘The green of the land’?
No, we’d need two flags.
One with a brown background for use in the majority of years, and one with a green background for when La Nina pays the occasional visit.
I like the one in the tweet. It’s inclusive of the people not just the land. And it looks nicer.
I deliberately omitted any mention of people as it opens the door to all ethnicities wanting to be represented.
Maybe they should colour the dots in all different colours.
sarahs mum said:
Brett’s republican aunty shared this this morning. I posted a correction.>Subject: Fwd: The truth of Australia Day
This is information that all Australians need to know. Especially those that believe it has to do with how anybody was treated.
People should learn the true facts before opening their mouth to spew falsehood.
This information was authored by Peter Lee – it should be taught to all Australians.
‘Below is the reason Australia day is celebrated on 26 January
Here are the Facts about Australia Day but don’t expect the media to educate you with these facts as it is not part of their agenda
1. Australia Day does not celebrate the arrival of the first fleet or the invasion of anything
2. Captain Cook did not arrive in Australia on the 26th January. The landing of Captain Cook in Sydney happened on the 28th April 1770 – not on 26th January.
3. The first fleet arrived in Botany Bay on 18th January. The 26th was chosen as Australia Day for a very different and important reason.
The 26th of January is the day Australians received their independence from British Rule. However, Captain Cook’s landing was included in Australian bi-centenary celebrations of 1988 when Sydney-siders decided Captain Cook’s landing should become the focus of the Australia Day commemoration. Sadly the importance of this date for all Australians has begun to fade and now a generation later, it is all but lost. The media as usual is happy to twist the truth for the sake of controversy.
Captain Cook didn’t land on the 26th January, so changing the date of any celebration of Captain Cook’s landing would not have any impact on Australia Day, but maybe it would clear the way for the truth about Australia Day.
Australians of today abhor what was done under British governance to the Aborigines, the Irish and many other cultures around the world. So after the horrors of WW11, we decided to try and fix it. We became our own people.
On 26th January 1949, the Australian nationality came into existence when the Nationality and Citizenship Act 1948 was enacted. That was the day we were first called Australians and allowed to travel with passports as Australians and NOT British subjects.
In 1949 therefore, we all became Australian citizens under the Nationality and Citizenship Act 1948.
Before that special date, all people living in Australia, including Aborigines, were called ‘British Subjects’ and forced to travel on British passports and fight in British wars.
This is why we celebrate Australia Day on the 26th January. This was the day Australians became free to make our own decisions about which wars we would fight and how our citizens would be treated. It was the day we were all declared Australians.
Until this date,Aborigines were not protected by law For the first time since Captain Cook’s landing this new Act gave Aboriginal Australians the full protection of Australian Law.
This is why 26th January is the day new Australians receive their citizenship It is a day which celebrates the implementation of the Nationality of Citizenship Act of 1948 –The Act which gave freedom and protection to the first Australians and gives all Australians, old and new, the right to live under the protection of the Australian Law”, united as one nation.
What was achieved that day is something for which all Australians can be proud.
Isn’t it time therefore that all Australians were taught the real reason we celebrate Australia Day on 26th January? In one way or another, we are ALL descendants of Australia ALL OF US. So we should ALL be celebrating and giving thanks for the freedoms, the lifestyles and opportunities that we currently enjoy, thanks to the strengths and battles of our ancestors.’
PASS THIS INFORMATION ON TO ALL YOUR FAMILIES AND FRIENDS
For the benefit of those (like me) who forget what the actual events were back then:
“So it was on 26 January that a landing was made at Sydney Cove and clearing of the ground for an encampment immediately began. Then, according to Phillip’s account:
In the evening of the 26th the colours were displayed on shore, and the Governor, with several of his principal officers and others, assembled round the flag-staff, drank the king’s health, and success to the settlement, with all that display of form which on such occasions is esteemed propitious, because it enlivens the spirits, and fills the imagination with pleasing presages.
— The Voyage of Governor Phillip to Botany Bay
The formal establishment of the Colony of New South Wales did not however occur on 26 January as is commonly assumed. It did not occur until 7 February 1788, when the formal proclamation of the colony and of Arthur Phillip’s governorship were read out. The vesting of all land in the reigning monarch King George III also dates from 7 February 1788.”
Arts said:
Tamb said:
Arts said:I like the one in the tweet. It’s inclusive of the people not just the land. And it looks nicer.
I deliberately omitted any mention of people as it opens the door to all ethnicities wanting to be represented.Maybe they should colour the dots in all different colours.
Or get rid of the flag. Let’s be different and just have a flag pole with a pouch.
I agree with Ita Buttrose when she said green and gold were the wrong colours for much of this country.
Rusty red and sky blue would be more evocative.
The Rev Dodgson said:
sarahs mum said:
Brett’s republican aunty shared this this morning. I posted a correction.>Subject: Fwd: The truth of Australia Day
This is information that all Australians need to know. Especially those that believe it has to do with how anybody was treated.
People should learn the true facts before opening their mouth to spew falsehood.
This information was authored by Peter Lee – it should be taught to all Australians.
‘Below is the reason Australia day is celebrated on 26 January
Here are the Facts about Australia Day but don’t expect the media to educate you with these facts as it is not part of their agenda
1. Australia Day does not celebrate the arrival of the first fleet or the invasion of anything
2. Captain Cook did not arrive in Australia on the 26th January. The landing of Captain Cook in Sydney happened on the 28th April 1770 – not on 26th January.
3. The first fleet arrived in Botany Bay on 18th January. The 26th was chosen as Australia Day for a very different and important reason.
The 26th of January is the day Australians received their independence from British Rule. However, Captain Cook’s landing was included in Australian bi-centenary celebrations of 1988 when Sydney-siders decided Captain Cook’s landing should become the focus of the Australia Day commemoration. Sadly the importance of this date for all Australians has begun to fade and now a generation later, it is all but lost. The media as usual is happy to twist the truth for the sake of controversy.
Captain Cook didn’t land on the 26th January, so changing the date of any celebration of Captain Cook’s landing would not have any impact on Australia Day, but maybe it would clear the way for the truth about Australia Day.
Australians of today abhor what was done under British governance to the Aborigines, the Irish and many other cultures around the world. So after the horrors of WW11, we decided to try and fix it. We became our own people.
On 26th January 1949, the Australian nationality came into existence when the Nationality and Citizenship Act 1948 was enacted. That was the day we were first called Australians and allowed to travel with passports as Australians and NOT British subjects.
In 1949 therefore, we all became Australian citizens under the Nationality and Citizenship Act 1948.
Before that special date, all people living in Australia, including Aborigines, were called ‘British Subjects’ and forced to travel on British passports and fight in British wars.
This is why we celebrate Australia Day on the 26th January. This was the day Australians became free to make our own decisions about which wars we would fight and how our citizens would be treated. It was the day we were all declared Australians.
Until this date,Aborigines were not protected by law For the first time since Captain Cook’s landing this new Act gave Aboriginal Australians the full protection of Australian Law.
This is why 26th January is the day new Australians receive their citizenship It is a day which celebrates the implementation of the Nationality of Citizenship Act of 1948 –The Act which gave freedom and protection to the first Australians and gives all Australians, old and new, the right to live under the protection of the Australian Law”, united as one nation.
What was achieved that day is something for which all Australians can be proud.
Isn’t it time therefore that all Australians were taught the real reason we celebrate Australia Day on 26th January? In one way or another, we are ALL descendants of Australia ALL OF US. So we should ALL be celebrating and giving thanks for the freedoms, the lifestyles and opportunities that we currently enjoy, thanks to the strengths and battles of our ancestors.’
PASS THIS INFORMATION ON TO ALL YOUR FAMILIES AND FRIENDS
For the benefit of those (like me) who forget what the actual events were back then:
“So it was on 26 January that a landing was made at Sydney Cove and clearing of the ground for an encampment immediately began. Then, according to Phillip’s account:
In the evening of the 26th the colours were displayed on shore, and the Governor, with several of his principal officers and others, assembled round the flag-staff, drank the king’s health, and success to the settlement, with all that display of form which on such occasions is esteemed propitious, because it enlivens the spirits, and fills the imagination with pleasing presages.— The Voyage of Governor Phillip to Botany Bay
The formal establishment of the Colony of New South Wales did not however occur on 26 January as is commonly assumed. It did not occur until 7 February 1788, when the formal proclamation of the colony and of Arthur Phillip’s governorship were read out. The vesting of all land in the reigning monarch King George III also dates from 7 February 1788.”
The 26th is an arbitrary day that celebrates the beginning of multi-culturalism in Australia.
Peak Warming Man said:
The 26th is an arbitrary day that celebrates the beginning of multi-culturalism in Australia.
Um, multiculturalism and invasion are not quite the same concept.
Bubblecar said:
I agree with Ita Buttrose when she said green and gold were the wrong colours for much of this country.Rusty red and sky blue would be more evocative.
Green and gold especially look crook for sporting uniforms… which is why I would support gold stars on a blue/black or black background.
Bubblecar said:
I agree with Ita Buttrose when she said green and gold were the wrong colours for much of this country.Rusty red and sky blue would be more evocative.
I assumed that the gold colour was because of the abbreviation of Australia – Au.
And what did the British ever do for us.
Spiny Norman said:
Bubblecar said:
I agree with Ita Buttrose when she said green and gold were the wrong colours for much of this country.Rusty red and sky blue would be more evocative.
I assumed that the gold colour was because of the abbreviation of Australia – Au.
that’s why I like gold stars.
Spiny Norman said:
Bubblecar said:
I agree with Ita Buttrose when she said green and gold were the wrong colours for much of this country.Rusty red and sky blue would be more evocative.
I assumed that the gold colour was because of the abbreviation of Australia – Au.
Golden Wattle.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acacia_pycnantha#Symbolic_and_cultural_references
It’s an axiom of vexillology that a good flag design is one which a 7-8 year old can draw a reasonable representation of, without coaching.
Essentially, keep it simple. Fussy details are not found on good flags.
captain_spalding said:
It’s an axiom of vexillology that a good flag design is one which a 7-8 year old can draw a reasonable representation of, without coaching.Essentially, keep it simple. Fussy details are not found on good flags.
I’m all for having a tractor tyre on our flag, however an AK47 would be a bit too bolshi and hard for a kid to draw.
Tamb said:
SCIENCE said:
I prefer this:No, race, no gender just the green of the land & the gold of the stars.
Not the true colours of the land or the stars. I always see that green as a mostly introduced colour, Australian green is more grey/blue.
Michael V said:
Spiny Norman said:
Bubblecar said:
I agree with Ita Buttrose when she said green and gold were the wrong colours for much of this country.Rusty red and sky blue would be more evocative.
I assumed that the gold colour was because of the abbreviation of Australia – Au.
Golden Wattle.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acacia_pycnantha#Symbolic_and_cultural_references
Much better than my guess.
kii said:
Tamb said:
SCIENCE said:
I prefer this:No, race, no gender just the green of the land & the gold of the stars.
Not the true colours of the land or the stars. I always see that green as a mostly introduced colour, Australian green is more grey/blue.
Yeah. Teal with a touch of pewk.
That combination of green and gold is only representing sports. The country is vastly more than sports.
kii said:
That combination of green and gold is only representing sports. The country is vastly more than sports.
It certainly is. Aussies have made important advances in medicine & aviation for starters.
Michael V said:
Spiny Norman said:
Bubblecar said:
I agree with Ita Buttrose when she said green and gold were the wrong colours for much of this country.Rusty red and sky blue would be more evocative.
I assumed that the gold colour was because of the abbreviation of Australia – Au.
Golden Wattle.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acacia_pycnantha#Symbolic_and_cultural_references
Doesn’t occur over the whole country though. REF: Wikipedia
kii said:
That combination of green and gold is only representing sports. The country is vastly more than sports.
Could just replace the union jack with the Aboriginal flag, it looks much nicer anyway and is a significant gesture
Arts said:
Arts said:
Tamb said:I deliberately omitted any mention of people as it opens the door to all ethnicities wanting to be represented.
Maybe they should colour the dots in all different colours.
Or get rid of the flag. Let’s be different and just have a flag pole with a pouch.
we could be creative and design a flag in the shape of of a Koala or a kangaroo or a magpie
or
Maybe a different flag for each day of the year, 365 flags
Tamb said:
Arts said:
captain_spalding said:‘The green of the land’?
No, we’d need two flags.
One with a brown background for use in the majority of years, and one with a green background for when La Nina pays the occasional visit.
I like the one in the tweet. It’s inclusive of the people not just the land. And it looks nicer.
I deliberately omitted any mention of people as it opens the door to all ethnicities wanting to be represented.
The only people represented should be the first nation people.
Peak Warming Man said:
And what did the British ever do for us.
Dumped us here I think.
I wanted to go to America.
But all the Mass shootings have put me off a bit.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Arts said:
Arts said:Maybe they should colour the dots in all different colours.
Or get rid of the flag. Let’s be different and just have a flag pole with a pouch.
we could be creative and design a flag in the shape of of a Koala or a kangaroo or a magpie
or
Maybe a different flag for each day of the year, 365 flags
I think there are some international regulations when it comes to flags.
kii said:
Tamb said:
Arts said:I like the one in the tweet. It’s inclusive of the people not just the land. And it looks nicer.
I deliberately omitted any mention of people as it opens the door to all ethnicities wanting to be represented.The only people represented should be the first nation people.
Rubbish.
Spiny Norman said:
Michael V said:
Spiny Norman said:I assumed that the gold colour was because of the abbreviation of Australia – Au.
Golden Wattle.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acacia_pycnantha#Symbolic_and_cultural_references
Much better than my guess.
:)
sibeen said:
kii said:
Tamb said:I deliberately omitted any mention of people as it opens the door to all ethnicities wanting to be represented.
The only people represented should be the first nation people.
Rubbish.
Why?
kii said:
sibeen said:
kii said:The only people represented should be the first nation people.
Rubbish.
Why?
Because a flag isn’t there to represent approximately 3% of a countries population.
This is a good choice they made Australia great
sibeen said:
kii said:
sibeen said:Rubbish.
Why?
Because a flag isn’t there to represent approximately 3% of a countries population.
So why is there one that represents about 0.3% of the time Australia have been inhabited?
Michael V said:
Spiny Norman said:
Bubblecar said:
I agree with Ita Buttrose when she said green and gold were the wrong colours for much of this country.Rusty red and sky blue would be more evocative.
I assumed that the gold colour was because of the abbreviation of Australia – Au.
Golden Wattle.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acacia_pycnantha#Symbolic_and_cultural_references
stick it in a bottle.
sibeen said:
kii said:
sibeen said:Rubbish.
Why?
Because a flag isn’t there to represent approximately 3% of a countries population.
Lolol…country’s…😆🤣
Spiny Norman said:
sibeen said:
kii said:Why?
Because a flag isn’t there to represent approximately 3% of a countries population.
So why is there one that represents about 0.3% of the time Australia have been inhabited?
Yes, exactly.
SCIENCE said:
wait we thought prohibition doesn’t work
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-24/nt-alice-springs-prime-minister-albanese-crime/101887980
but apparently deprohibition causes harm so we guess freedom is a (one way) ratchet and violence is good
I hope that there is one announced for parliament house as well.
kii said:
Tamb said:
Arts said:I like the one in the tweet. It’s inclusive of the people not just the land. And it looks nicer.
I deliberately omitted any mention of people as it opens the door to all ethnicities wanting to be represented.The only people represented should be the first nation people.
Stolen Generations, Stolen Wages, Stolen Land, Stolen Water, Stolen Labor.
A small gesture but it would mean a lot.
The current Australia Day has only been observed on the 26th since 1994 if my memory serves me correctly.
The-Spectator said:
This is a good choice they made Australia great
AGAIN!
kii said:
Spiny Norman said:
sibeen said:Because a flag isn’t there to represent approximately 3% of a countries population.
So why is there one that represents about 0.3% of the time Australia have been inhabited?
Yes, exactly.
+1
ms spock said:
kii said:
Tamb said:I deliberately omitted any mention of people as it opens the door to all ethnicities wanting to be represented.
The only people represented should be the first nation people.
Stolen Generations, Stolen Wages, Stolen Land, Stolen Water, Stolen Labor.
A small gesture but it would mean a lot.
The current Australia Day has only been observed on the 26th since 1994 if my memory serves me correctly.
My sons’ paternal gma was a stolen child. She seemed to be so ashamed of her origins, I am sure her life was a reflection of that and without realizing it she damaged her son…the father of my sons.
ms spock said:
kii said:
Spiny Norman said:So why is there one that represents about 0.3% of the time Australia have been inhabited?
Yes, exactly.
+1
We will have to disagree then.
kii said:
ms spock said:
kii said:The only people represented should be the first nation people.
Stolen Generations, Stolen Wages, Stolen Land, Stolen Water, Stolen Labor.
A small gesture but it would mean a lot.
The current Australia Day has only been observed on the 26th since 1994 if my memory serves me correctly.
My sons’ paternal gma was a stolen child. She seemed to be so ashamed of her origins, I am sure her life was a reflection of that and without realizing it she damaged her son…the father of my sons.
Oh kii! I didn’t know that! Gosh I knew you worked so hard to care for your sons, and your heart was always so worried about them! The nature of intergenerational trauma is a huge impact! And Australia met the legal criteria for genocide – which there are strict conditions to be met – genocide is partly about killing the person’s whole being and identity – language, sense of identity, sense of culture, connectedness to family and friends, it’s a diabolical thing to inflict on a people. And it shows why the gaps of life expectancy exist today.
It’s such a shame she was so ashamed of her origins, but totally understandable given that they were beaten and denied food for speaking in language. One of my friends ended up in hospital for being underweight because she was punished so much.
The damaging of her son leads her son to damage his sons – your sons – that’s totally heartbreaking kii. It’s a totally heartbreaking legacy. Totally out of your control as well. It’s a lying on the ground and weeping with abandon type of thing. How to handle that much pain. It is unknowable.
That type of trauma changes the telomeres, it stops cognitive development, the impacts are throughout all the developmental phases of development – physically, emotionally, intellectually – the impact is all encompassing for the whole family and sadly for future generations.
I really feel for you. I watch my friends struggle so much with those legacies of being a Stolen Child, and some of them have several siblings that grew up and died of suicide. The ongoing pain was too much.
sibeen said:
ms spock said:
kii said:Yes, exactly.
+1
We will have to disagree then.
We do agree to disagree! And we can still just as much as care, love and respect for each other as possible! It is so good that we can agree to disagree!
I don’t have strong opinions on the flag.
But I do think political capital is precious. You have to think carefully before expending it on symbolic gestures when there are real practical things that need to be done.
Spiny Norman said:
sibeen said:
kii said:Why?
Because a flag isn’t there to represent approximately 3% of a countries population.
So why is there one that represents about 0.3% of the time Australia have been inhabited?
Zing
Bubblecar said:
I agree with Ita Buttrose when she said green and gold were the wrong colours for much of this country.Rusty red and sky blue would be more evocative.
About half our territory is in Antarctica so perhaps rusty red on a bed of white, or just blend them to make a nice light peach colour.
dv said:
Bubblecar said:
I agree with Ita Buttrose when she said green and gold were the wrong colours for much of this country.Rusty red and sky blue would be more evocative.
About half our territory is in Antarctica so perhaps rusty red on a bed of white, or just blend them to make a nice light peach colour.
I think we’re almost there.
A brace of peach coloured tractor tyres rampant.
dv said:
Spiny Norman said:
sibeen said:Because a flag isn’t there to represent approximately 3% of a countries population.
So why is there one that represents about 0.3% of the time Australia have been inhabited?
Zing
But if the flag representing the 0.3% is bad, doesn’t that mean the flag representing the 3% is bad as well?
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Spiny Norman said:So why is there one that represents about 0.3% of the time Australia have been inhabited?
Zing
But if the flag representing the 0.3% is bad, doesn’t that mean the flag representing the 3% is bad as well?
Everything’s bad
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:Zing
But if the flag representing the 0.3% is bad, doesn’t that mean the flag representing the 3% is bad as well?
Everything’s bad
Well aren’t we the glass half-empty person.
I disagree. I don’t think everything is bad.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:But if the flag representing the 0.3% is bad, doesn’t that mean the flag representing the 3% is bad as well?
Everything’s bad
Well aren’t we the glass half-empty person.
I disagree. I don’t think everything is bad.
Okay, but flags and nations are bad.
dv said:
I don’t have strong opinions on the flag.But I do think political capital is precious. You have to think carefully before expending it on symbolic gestures when there are real practical things that need to be done.
You are going for a lot of nuance there dv, which we do need to engage in. That is true.
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:Everything’s bad
Well aren’t we the glass half-empty person.
I disagree. I don’t think everything is bad.
Okay, but flags and nations are bad.
But they can be made less bad.
So if we are wanting to change the national flag, because it uses the flag of another nation, why replace it with a flag that includes symbolism relating to a small part of the population?
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:Everything’s bad
Well aren’t we the glass half-empty person.
I disagree. I don’t think everything is bad.
Okay, but flags and nations are bad.
Often it seems lots of dick waving with flags
What about using just the shape of Australia on the flag.
And using the two most abundant colours seen from space.
and maybe some stars.
dv said:
I laughed so much I have to go and lie down. I am so terribly sick but I can breathe now so that is a real plus.
But so much laughing hurts.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Well aren’t we the glass half-empty person.
I disagree. I don’t think everything is bad.
Okay, but flags and nations are bad.
But they can be made less bad.
So if we are wanting to change the national flag, because it uses the flag of another nation, why replace it with a flag that includes symbolism relating to a small part of the population?
Something off the arrears.
Tau.Neutrino said:
What about using just the shape of Australia on the flag.And using the two most abundant colours seen from space.
and maybe some stars.
Ned Kelly instead of the Union Jack
Cymek said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
What about using just the shape of Australia on the flag.And using the two most abundant colours seen from space.
and maybe some stars.
Ned Kelly instead of the Union Jack
biodiversity some of our biodiversity or a physical landmark?
Tau.Neutrino said:
What about using just the shape of Australia on the flag.And using the two most abundant colours seen from space.
and maybe some stars.
BUT THAT SHAPE WAS FIRST ESTABLISHED BY BRITISH MARINERS!!!
Pull yourself together man.
Also, stars are spherical so we need to get rid of those misleading pointy bits.
Maybe we should consult the Chinese about a new flag, since they’re the ones who’ll be manufacturing them.
ms spock said:
Cymek said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
What about using just the shape of Australia on the flag.And using the two most abundant colours seen from space.
and maybe some stars.
Ned Kelly instead of the Union Jack
biodiversity some of our biodiversity or a physical landmark?
Personally I think the Aboriginal flag looks nice and is a representation of Australia in general not just to specific people others may not
澳大利亚
dv said:
澳大利亚
Aodaliya
South big continent
dv said:
澳大利亚
We need someone to register Kevin.
What larks we’d have hey Pip.
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
澳大利亚
Aodaliya
South big continent
Actually strike that. The first character is specifically one that represents Australia.
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Everything’s bad
Well aren’t we the glass half-empty person.
I disagree. I don’t think everything is bad.
Okay, but flags and nations are bad.
all flags and nations are bad but some are useful
dv said:
Also, stars are spherical so we need to get rid of those misleading pointy bits.
why, surely human flags should be allowed to represent human biolens diffractive aberrancies
Cymek said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Well aren’t we the glass half-empty person.
I disagree. I don’t think everything is bad.
Okay, but flags and nations are bad.
Often it seems lots of dick waving with flags
that’s why some cultures cut that part off
Bubblecar said:
Maybe we should consult the Chinese about a new flag, since they’re the ones who’ll be manufacturing them.
yes, this is an excellent idea
that’s a nice 11 star flag
Former Jacqui Lambie staffers ordered to pay almost $100,000 after losing unfair dismissal case
Rob and Fern Messenger filed ‘acres of irrelevant and scandalous material’ during trial, court finds
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/jan/25/former-jacqui-lambie-staffers-ordered-to-pay-almost-100000-after-losing-unfair-dismissal-case
dv said:
It’s true though isn’t it, lets be a racist but not do our homework
Cymek said:
dv said:
It’s true though isn’t it, lets be a racist but not do our homework
what do you mean racist, this is as inclusive as they can get, the point is that we are one but we are many and from all the lands on the half of the earth that can see that constellation we come
dv said:
Doing the four major stars with 7 points makes it uniquely Australian.
Ian said:
dv said:
Doing the four major stars with 7 points makes it uniquely Australian.
It is unique all right. I’ll pay that.
#RobodebtRC
https://twitter.com/strangerous10/status/1618128220246933504
https://twitter.com/EddyJokovich/status/1618101908350316544
Tom Calma is Australian of the Year. He is University of Canberra chancellor and aboriginal rights advocate.
dv said:
Tom Calma is Australian of the Year. He is University of Canberra chancellor and aboriginal rights advocate.
You must be watching a different broadcast than I am.
Woodie said:
dv said:
Tom Calma is Australian of the Year. He is University of Canberra chancellor and aboriginal rights advocate.
You must be watching a different broadcast than I am.
Taryn Brumfitt is AOTY.
Tom Calma was Senior AOTY.
Woodie said:
Woodie said:
dv said:
Tom Calma is Australian of the Year. He is University of Canberra chancellor and aboriginal rights advocate.
You must be watching a different broadcast than I am.
Taryn Brumfitt is AOTY.
Tom Calma was Senior AOTY.
Thanks for that correction
dv said:
Woodie said:
Woodie said:You must be watching a different broadcast than I am.
Taryn Brumfitt is AOTY.
Tom Calma was Senior AOTY.
Thanks for that correction
It’s interesting that this is in the politics thread.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Woodie said:Taryn Brumfitt is AOTY.
Tom Calma was Senior AOTY.
Thanks for that correction
It’s interesting that this is in the politics thread.
I would think that AOTY is broadly a political topic.
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:Thanks for that correction
It’s interesting that this is in the politics thread.
I would think that AOTY is broadly a political topic.
It’s certainly been turned into that.
Woodie said:
Woodie said:You must be watching a different broadcast than I am.
Taryn Brumfitt is AOTY.
She looks well fit.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:It’s interesting that this is in the politics thread.
I would think that AOTY is broadly a political topic.
It’s certainly been turned into that.
LOL, I guess all those sports people are in politics. I don’t think Pocock was ever aoty. But you bang on about this every year.
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:Thanks for that correction
It’s interesting that this is in the politics thread.
I would think that AOTY is broadly a political topic.
Yeah. Some would have had it awarded posthumously to Warnie.
Woodie said:
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:It’s interesting that this is in the politics thread.
I would think that AOTY is broadly a political topic.
Yeah. Some would have had it awarded posthumously to Warnie.
They should replace the ashes with his ashes…
SCIENCE said:
álainn (beautiful)
ms spock said:
SCIENCE said:
álainn (beautiful)
A digital print would look great too.
Tau.Neutrino said:
ms spock said:
SCIENCE said:
álainn (beautiful)
A digital print would look great too.
You’d need the original for that.
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
ms spock said:álainn (beautiful)
A digital print would look great too.
You’d need the original for that.
Postcard then.
Tau.Neutrino said:
ms spock said:
SCIENCE said:
álainn (beautiful)
A digital print would look great too.
***nods assent***
Tau.Neutrino said:
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:A digital print would look great too.
You’d need the original for that.
Postcard then.
Couldn’t you take a photo of it on a screen and then get the pixel resolution that you wanted?
ms spock said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
roughbarked said:You’d need the original for that.
Postcard then.
Couldn’t you take a photo of it on a screen and then get the pixel resolution that you wanted?
I wouldn’t think so unless the screen was very big.
ms spock said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
roughbarked said:You’d need the original for that.
Postcard then.
Couldn’t you take a photo of it on a screen and then get the pixel resolution that you wanted?
Not sure. many screens are different.
Tau.Neutrino said:
ms spock said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Postcard then.
Couldn’t you take a photo of it on a screen and then get the pixel resolution that you wanted?
Not sure. many screens are different.
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
ms spock said:
Couldn’t you take a photo of it on a screen and then get the pixel resolution that you wanted?
Not sure. many screens are different.
Go there and take your own photographs
It is her gift to Australia.
what if we’re over 13 hours away from that location
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Not sure. many screens are different.
Go there and take your own photographs
It is her gift to Australia.
what if we’re over 13 hours away from that location
The lighting of the sails takes place each day from sunset, 9pm, 9.30pm and
10pm*.
Please note there will be no screenings from 21 to 26 January and 30 to 31 January due to events taking place on site.
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
Go there and take your own photographs
It is her gift to Australia.
what if we’re over 13 hours away from that location
The lighting of the sails takes place each day from sunset, 9pm, 9.30pm and
10pm*.Please note there will be no screenings from 21 to 26 January and 30 to 31 January due to events taking place on site.
fair enough though we meant what if we wanted the 26 January event image
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
what if we’re over 13 hours away from that location
The lighting of the sails takes place each day from sunset, 9pm, 9.30pm and
10pm*.Please note there will be no screenings from 21 to 26 January and 30 to 31 January due to events taking place on site.
fair enough though we meant what if we wanted the 26 January event image
You can always catch a Qantas flight. ;)
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
The lighting of the sails takes place each day from sunset, 9pm, 9.30pm and
10pm*.Please note there will be no screenings from 21 to 26 January and 30 to 31 January due to events taking place on site.
fair enough though we meant what if we wanted the 26 January event image
You can always catch a Qantas flight. ;)
what, and be 13 days away from something we’re actually 13 hours from no thanks
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
fair enough though we meant what if we wanted the 26 January event image
You can always catch a Qantas flight. ;)
what, and be 13 days away from something we’re actually 13 hours from no thanks
At least you got the joke. ;)
ms spock said:
SCIENCE said:
álainn (beautiful)
S’ok
But someone’s going to have to paint it all white again
Ian said:
ms spock said:
SCIENCE said:
álainn (beautiful)
S’ok
But someone’s going to have to paint it all white again
A few thousand gallons of paint stripper should do it.
Ian said:
ms spock said:
SCIENCE said:
álainn (beautiful)
S’ok
But someone’s going to have to paint it all white again
It will smell new again.
roughbarked said:
Ian said:
ms spock said:
álainn (beautiful)
S’ok
But someone’s going to have to paint it all white again
A few thousand gallons of paint stripper should do it.
strippers on the sydney opera house sure we’ll watch
Wishing you all a happy NSW Day.
Do other countries all have their own days?
party_pants said:
Wishing you all a happy NSW Day.
throws a thong at party_pants
Ita Buttrose has a thing thong on Australia day.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Do other countries all have their own days?
Usually. Saint Days, anniversaries etc
Tau.Neutrino said:
Do other countries all have their own days?
Yes. Pretty much every country has some sort of national day, with a few exceptions like the UK and Denmark.
Peak Warming Man said:
Ita Buttrose has a thing thong on Australia day.
:)
party_pants said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Do other countries all have their own days?Yes. Pretty much every country has some sort of national day, with a few exceptions like the UK and Denmark.
Germany celebrates a lot of invasion days.
party_pants said:
Wishing you all a happy NSW Day.
I just returned from a 10k walk around the river and all the peoples are set up with their gazebos and George Foreman grills and esky’s and tinnys with questionable names, there were inflatable rafts, loudspeakers and sunscreen as far as the eye could see.
Arts said:
party_pants said:
Wishing you all a happy NSW Day.
I just returned from a 10k walk around the river and all the peoples are set up with their gazebos and George Foreman grills and esky’s and tinnys with questionable names, there were inflatable rafts, loudspeakers and sunscreen as far as the eye could see.
I slept in and got up with a hang-over. Thinking about breakfast.
I have taken a few days off, back to work on Wednesday.
Arts said:
party_pants said:
Wishing you all a happy NSW Day.
I just returned from a 10k walk around the river and all the peoples are set up with their gazebos and George Foreman grills and esky’s and tinnys with questionable names, there were inflatable rafts, loudspeakers and sunscreen as far as the eye could see.
Aye, it’s great isn’t it.
A young bloke in an old valiant with an australian flag in the window just pulled up across the road, you could hear the burble of the hemi-v8, sounded great.
He’s courting the young girl there.
I think Australias future is in good hands, we can relax.
In Northern Ireland, the Protestant population celebrates the anniversary of the Battle of the Boyne (12 July) by marching through Catholic areas waving banners and with bands playing to basically say ‘ha ha, we kicked your arses all those years ago, and now you have to do what we say, ha ha we’re better than you, so there’.
It’s not what you’d call ‘inclusive’.
party_pants said:
Arts said:
party_pants said:
Wishing you all a happy NSW Day.
I just returned from a 10k walk around the river and all the peoples are set up with their gazebos and George Foreman grills and esky’s and tinnys with questionable names, there were inflatable rafts, loudspeakers and sunscreen as far as the eye could see.
I slept in and got up with a hang-over. Thinking about breakfast.
I have taken a few days off, back to work on Wednesday.
Nice. I suspect a lot of people have taken tomorrow as leave also.
Peak Warming Man said:
Arts said:
party_pants said:
Wishing you all a happy NSW Day.
I just returned from a 10k walk around the river and all the peoples are set up with their gazebos and George Foreman grills and esky’s and tinnys with questionable names, there were inflatable rafts, loudspeakers and sunscreen as far as the eye could see.
Aye, it’s great isn’t it.
A young bloke in an old valiant with an australian flag in the window just pulled up across the road, you could hear the burble of the hemi-v8, sounded great.
He’s courting the young girl there.
I think Australias future is in good hands, we can relax.
A man jogged past me with an indigenous design on his sweat headband with two little Aussie flags sticking up out of it… I do not know if he was exercising or running to a beer.. either way, that’s probably the most Aussie thing I have seen all day.
captain_spalding said:
In Northern Ireland, the Protestant population celebrates the anniversary of the Battle of the Boyne (12 July) by marching through Catholic areas waving banners and with bands playing to basically say ‘ha ha, we kicked your arses all those years ago, and now you have to do what we say, ha ha we’re better than you, so there’.It’s not what you’d call ‘inclusive’.
what do the atheists and agnostics do on that day?
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:
In Northern Ireland, the Protestant population celebrates the anniversary of the Battle of the Boyne (12 July) by marching through Catholic areas waving banners and with bands playing to basically say ‘ha ha, we kicked your arses all those years ago, and now you have to do what we say, ha ha we’re better than you, so there’.It’s not what you’d call ‘inclusive’.
what do the atheists and agnostics do on that day?
Sames as every other day.
Despair.
Arts said:
party_pants said:
Arts said:I just returned from a 10k walk around the river and all the peoples are set up with their gazebos and George Foreman grills and esky’s and tinnys with questionable names, there were inflatable rafts, loudspeakers and sunscreen as far as the eye could see.
I slept in and got up with a hang-over. Thinking about breakfast.
I have taken a few days off, back to work on Wednesday.
Nice. I suspect a lot of people have taken tomorrow as leave also.
Yeah. The boss did, and decided that the rest of us should too.
I have an eye injection already booked for Tuesday, so was going to take that day off. Decided there was no point in coming back just for the Monday,
From Wiki. Reasons for national days. Ours is given as “Other Reason – the founding of Sydney”. Which is technically true, but is not quite the whole story.
party_pants said:
From Wiki. Reasons for national days. Ours is given as “Other Reason – the founding of Sydney”. Which is technically true, but is not quite the whole story.
better post the link
party_pants said:
From Wiki. Reasons for national days. Ours is given as “Other Reason – the founding of Sydney”. Which is technically true, but is not quite the whole story.
That Portuguese fellow’s poetry must have been pretty bad.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Do other countries all have their own days?
Certain countries think that every day is their day.*
* Although countries don’t really think anything.The Rev Dodgson said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Do other countries all have their own days?Certain countries think that every day is their day.*
* Although countries don’t really think anything.
I’ve never heard one mention it.
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:
From Wiki. Reasons for national days. Ours is given as “Other Reason – the founding of Sydney”. Which is technically true, but is not quite the whole story.
That Portuguese fellow’s poetry must have been pretty bad.
Yes. Let’s have a holiday to celebrate the bastard’s passing.
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:
From Wiki. Reasons for national days. Ours is given as “Other Reason – the founding of Sydney”. Which is technically true, but is not quite the whole story.
That Portuguese fellow’s poetry must have been pretty bad.
Luís de Camões
NHOH.
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Do other countries all have their own days?Certain countries think that every day is their day.*
* Although countries don’t really think anything.I’ve never heard one mention it.
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:
In Northern Ireland, the Protestant population celebrates the anniversary of the Battle of the Boyne (12 July) by marching through Catholic areas waving banners and with bands playing to basically say ‘ha ha, we kicked your arses all those years ago, and now you have to do what we say, ha ha we’re better than you, so there’.It’s not what you’d call ‘inclusive’.
what do the atheists and agnostics do on that day?
Depends if they are protestant atheists or catholic atheists.
party_pants said:
From Wiki. Reasons for national days. Ours is given as “Other Reason – the founding of Sydney”. Which is technically true, but is not quite the whole story.
Ask a WAlien.
The Rev Dodgson said:
* Although countries don’t really think anything.
The USA provides ongoing proof of the truth of that.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Do other countries all have their own days?
Most of them.
Peak Warming Man said:
Ita Buttrose has a thing thong on Australia day.
Heh
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:
From Wiki. Reasons for national days. Ours is given as “Other Reason – the founding of Sydney”. Which is technically true, but is not quite the whole story.
Ask a WAlien.
We have a “WA Day” public holiday in the middle of the year, which essentially commemorates the same thing: the arrival of the first fleet of British settlers and the setting up of a permanent colony. So it’s like we get an extra one to mark the founding of Sydney too.
WA was never officially a part of the NSW colony that later broke off, like other states. It was not until federation that WA joined the rest of the nation in a political entity sense.
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:
From Wiki. Reasons for national days. Ours is given as “Other Reason – the founding of Sydney”. Which is technically true, but is not quite the whole story.
Ask a WAlien.
We have a “WA Day” public holiday in the middle of the year, which essentially commemorates the same thing: the arrival of the first fleet of British settlers and the setting up of a permanent colony. So it’s like we get an extra one to mark the founding of Sydney too.
WA was never officially a part of the NSW colony that later broke off, like other states. It was not until federation that WA joined the rest of the nation in a political entity sense.
Hence Mr buffy keeps telling me the date of Federation should be Australia Day.
buffy said:
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:Ask a WAlien.
We have a “WA Day” public holiday in the middle of the year, which essentially commemorates the same thing: the arrival of the first fleet of British settlers and the setting up of a permanent colony. So it’s like we get an extra one to mark the founding of Sydney too.
WA was never officially a part of the NSW colony that later broke off, like other states. It was not until federation that WA joined the rest of the nation in a political entity sense.
Hence Mr buffy keeps telling me the date of Federation should be Australia Day.
He’s a smart fella that Mr buffy.
buffy said:
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:Ask a WAlien.
We have a “WA Day” public holiday in the middle of the year, which essentially commemorates the same thing: the arrival of the first fleet of British settlers and the setting up of a permanent colony. So it’s like we get an extra one to mark the founding of Sydney too.
WA was never officially a part of the NSW colony that later broke off, like other states. It was not until federation that WA joined the rest of the nation in a political entity sense.
Hence Mr buffy keeps telling me the date of Federation should be Australia Day.
Yeah, except that it falls on 1 January. Which is already a PH for other reasons.
party_pants said:
buffy said:
party_pants said:We have a “WA Day” public holiday in the middle of the year, which essentially commemorates the same thing: the arrival of the first fleet of British settlers and the setting up of a permanent colony. So it’s like we get an extra one to mark the founding of Sydney too.
WA was never officially a part of the NSW colony that later broke off, like other states. It was not until federation that WA joined the rest of the nation in a political entity sense.
Hence Mr buffy keeps telling me the date of Federation should be Australia Day.
Yeah, except that it falls on 1 January. Which is already a PH for other reasons.
It’s not unreasonable to have a multi-reason PH.
party_pants said:
buffy said:
party_pants said:We have a “WA Day” public holiday in the middle of the year, which essentially commemorates the same thing: the arrival of the first fleet of British settlers and the setting up of a permanent colony. So it’s like we get an extra one to mark the founding of Sydney too.
WA was never officially a part of the NSW colony that later broke off, like other states. It was not until federation that WA joined the rest of the nation in a political entity sense.
Hence Mr buffy keeps telling me the date of Federation should be Australia Day.
Yeah, except that it falls on 1 January. Which is already a PH for other reasons.
party_pants said:
buffy said:
party_pants said:We have a “WA Day” public holiday in the middle of the year, which essentially commemorates the same thing: the arrival of the first fleet of British settlers and the setting up of a permanent colony. So it’s like we get an extra one to mark the founding of Sydney too.
WA was never officially a part of the NSW colony that later broke off, like other states. It was not until federation that WA joined the rest of the nation in a political entity sense.
Hence Mr buffy keeps telling me the date of Federation should be Australia Day.
Yeah, except that it falls on 1 January. Which is already a PH for other reasons.
Doesn’t matter. We put in another day for Christmas/Boxing etc holidays if they fall inconveniently. No reason New Year Holiday couldn’t be 2nd of January. Or 3rd January if 2nd is a Sunday.
party_pants said:
party_pants said:
From Wiki. Reasons for national days. Ours is given as “Other Reason – the founding of Sydney”. Which is technically true, but is not quite the whole story.
better post the link
So Denmark and the UK have no national days.
At least the UK can be content that it was the cause of so many other national days.
party_pants said:
buffy said:
party_pants said:We have a “WA Day” public holiday in the middle of the year, which essentially commemorates the same thing: the arrival of the first fleet of British settlers and the setting up of a permanent colony. So it’s like we get an extra one to mark the founding of Sydney too.
WA was never officially a part of the NSW colony that later broke off, like other states. It was not until federation that WA joined the rest of the nation in a political entity sense.
Hence Mr buffy keeps telling me the date of Federation should be Australia Day.
Yeah, except that it falls on 1 January. Which is already a PH for other reasons.
Excellent. Kick it off in a state of uncertainty and controversy.
buffy said:
party_pants said:
buffy said:Hence Mr buffy keeps telling me the date of Federation should be Australia Day.
Yeah, except that it falls on 1 January. Which is already a PH for other reasons.
Doesn’t matter. We put in another day for Christmas/Boxing etc holidays if they fall inconveniently. No reason New Year Holiday couldn’t be 2nd of January. Or 3rd January if 2nd is a Sunday.
I find having a PH at the end of January kinda convenient. It marks the end of summer holidays. After Australia Day it is time get back to normal. Schools and unis are back, the holiday season is over. If we move Australia Day to start of January we need to come up with a reason to have another PH somewhere around 25 Jan – 1 Feb date range.
Bubblecar said:
party_pants said:
buffy said:Hence Mr buffy keeps telling me the date of Federation should be Australia Day.
Yeah, except that it falls on 1 January. Which is already a PH for other reasons.
It’s not unreasonable to have a multi-reason PH.
Federation Day would not be the perfect day anyway since we remained a Dominion in the British Empire.
Australia became independent on 9 October 1942 with the Royal Assent of the Statute of Westminster Adoption Act 1942.
Another possibility would be 17 February 1986, the date of Royal Assent for the Australia Act 1986:
The Australia Act (Cth and UK) eliminated the remaining possibilities for the United Kingdom to legislate with effect in Australia, for the UK to be involved in Australian government, and for an appeal from any Australian court to a British court. This act formally severed all legal ties between Australia and the United Kingdom except for the monarchy.
My preference would be for 9 October though, as the The Australia Act was really just the crossing of eyes and dotting of tease.
dv said:
Bubblecar said:
party_pants said:It’s not unreasonable to have a multi-reason PH.
Federation Day would not be the perfect day anyway since we remained a Dominion in the British Empire.
Australia became independent on 9 October 1942 with the Royal Assent of the Statute of Westminster Adoption Act 1942.
Another possibility would be 17 February 1986, the date of Royal Assent for the Australia Act 1986:
The Australia Act (Cth and UK) eliminated the remaining possibilities for the United Kingdom to legislate with effect in Australia, for the UK to be involved in Australian government, and for an appeal from any Australian court to a British court. This act formally severed all legal ties between Australia and the United Kingdom except for the monarchy.My preference would be for 9 October though, as the The Australia Act was really just the crossing of eyes and dotting of tease.
Seems fair.
party_pants said:
buffy said:
party_pants said:Yeah, except that it falls on 1 January. Which is already a PH for other reasons.
Doesn’t matter. We put in another day for Christmas/Boxing etc holidays if they fall inconveniently. No reason New Year Holiday couldn’t be 2nd of January. Or 3rd January if 2nd is a Sunday.
I find having a PH at the end of January kinda convenient. It marks the end of summer holidays. After Australia Day it is time get back to normal. Schools and unis are back, the holiday season is over. If we move Australia Day to start of January we need to come up with a reason to have another PH somewhere around 25 Jan – 1 Feb date range.
Nah, too many public holidays in the first half of the year. Then there is a drought in July/August/September/October.
There is a slight complication with the 9 October 1942 date as the Westminster Adoption Act. It was back-dated to apply from 3 September 1939, which was the day Australia declared war on Germany and formally joined WW2.
party_pants said:
There is a slight complication with the 9 October 1942 date as the Westminster Adoption Act. It was back-dated to apply from 3 September 1939, which was the day Australia declared war on Germany and formally joined WW2.
I’d still be more comfy with the former date
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Ita Buttrose has a thing thong on Australia day.
Heh
Thuch a nathy thing to thay.
Bubblecar said:
party_pants said:
buffy said:Hence Mr buffy keeps telling me the date of Federation should be Australia Day.
Yeah, except that it falls on 1 January. Which is already a PH for other reasons.
It’s not unreasonable to have a multi-reason PH.
Not at all. Quite significant I would have thought. To start the year with the day we officially started.
roughbarked said:
Bubblecar said:
party_pants said:Yeah, except that it falls on 1 January. Which is already a PH for other reasons.
It’s not unreasonable to have a multi-reason PH.
Not at all. Quite significant I would have thought. To start the year with the day we officially started.
I wonder what day the Aboriginals landed 40,000 years ago.
party_pants said:
buffy said:
party_pants said:Yeah, except that it falls on 1 January. Which is already a PH for other reasons.
Doesn’t matter. We put in another day for Christmas/Boxing etc holidays if they fall inconveniently. No reason New Year Holiday couldn’t be 2nd of January. Or 3rd January if 2nd is a Sunday.
I find having a PH at the end of January kinda convenient. It marks the end of summer holidays. After Australia Day it is time get back to normal. Schools and unis are back, the holiday season is over. If we move Australia Day to start of January we need to come up with a reason to have another PH somewhere around 25 Jan – 1 Feb date range.
It is easy enough to make one up.
Tau.Neutrino said:
roughbarked said:
Bubblecar said:It’s not unreasonable to have a multi-reason PH.
Not at all. Quite significant I would have thought. To start the year with the day we officially started.
I wonder what day the Aboriginals landed 40,000 years ago.
We been here forever, gubba.
Tau.Neutrino said:
roughbarked said:
Bubblecar said:It’s not unreasonable to have a multi-reason PH.
Not at all. Quite significant I would have thought. To start the year with the day we officially started.
I wonder what day the Aboriginals landed 40,000 years ago.
Australia, New Guinea and various other bits were all connected back then.
Tau.Neutrino said:
roughbarked said:
Bubblecar said:It’s not unreasonable to have a multi-reason PH.
Not at all. Quite significant I would have thought. To start the year with the day we officially started.
I wonder what day the Aboriginals landed 40,000 years ago.
Pretty sure it was a Tuesday
Perhaps we should keep the 26th of January as a PH but just rename it Post-colonial Dilemma day.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-26/tasmanian-aboriginal-community-frustrated-over-monuments/101892132
roughbarked said:
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Ita Buttrose has a thing thong on Australia day.
Heh
Thuch a nathy thing to thay.
What’s fee fi fo fum?
Ita Buttrose’s phone number.😁
Uh…
Can you really cook sausage rolls on a bbq?
dv said:
Uh…
Can you really cook sausage rolls on a bbq?
yes, but i guess they are cooking sausages and putting them in rolls.
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:
Uh…
Can you really cook sausage rolls on a bbq?
yes, but i guess they are cooking sausages and putting them in rolls.
Well that’s not we call sausage rolls in this country, hopefully this doesn’t cost him the election
dv said:
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:
Uh…
Can you really cook sausage rolls on a bbq?
yes, but i guess they are cooking sausages and putting them in rolls.
Well that’s not we call sausage rolls in this country, hopefully this doesn’t cost him the election
probably some Italian heritage thing.
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:
ChrispenEvan said:yes, but i guess they are cooking sausages and putting them in rolls.
Well that’s not we call sausage rolls in this country, hopefully this doesn’t cost him the election
probably some Italian heritage thing.
Minns short for minestrone or something?
dv said:
Uh…
Can you really cook sausage rolls on a bbq?
Of course you can.
You can cook anything you like on a barbecue.
Sausages, sausage rolls, Weet-Bix, eggs in the shell, whole pomegranates, bicycle tyres, 50 mm nails, clods of dirt, anything.
Some things you can even eat afterwards.
dv said:
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:
Uh…
Can you really cook sausage rolls on a bbq?
yes, but i guess they are cooking sausages and putting them in rolls.
Well that’s not we call sausage rolls in this country, hopefully this doesn’t cost him the election
Aye. It should be part of the citizenship test.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:Uh…
Can you really cook sausage rolls on a bbq?
Of course you can.
You can cook anything you like on a barbecue.
Sausages, sausage rolls, Weet-Bix, eggs in the shell, whole pomegranates, bicycle tyres, 50 mm nails, clods of dirt, anything.
Some things you can even eat afterwards.
Throw another thong on the barbie.
Tau.Neutrino said:
roughbarked said:
Bubblecar said:It’s not unreasonable to have a multi-reason PH.
Not at all. Quite significant I would have thought. To start the year with the day we officially started.
I wonder what day the Aboriginals landed 40,000 years ago.
One of the most important claimed potential early sites is in northern Australia, at Madjedbebe, a rock shelter in Arnhem Land. Human presence here was recently declared at more than 65,000 years ago. This 65,000-year date has rapidly become accepted as the age for colonisation of Australia.
A hospitality business that shifted about 700 bartenders, waiters and baristas to an agreement that deprived them of penalty rates got the deal approved by arguing it would apply to a cafe that did not open on nights, weekends or public holidays.
Mantle Group sacked hundreds of casuals across 15 venues on Monday before immediately rehiring them with a different entity, less than two weeks after the Fair Work Commission had reverted the group’s staff back to the award’s full penalty rates.
https://www.afr.com/work-and-careers/workplace/inside-the-workplace-deal-that-denied-700-odd-casuals-penalty-rates-20230126-p5cfpt
The new entity, KGS Staff Pty Ltd, engages employees under a 2019 agreement that does not pay weekend penalties and its letters of offer, sent before Australia Day, includes an opt-out condition that staff swap their public holiday rates for other days.
But Fair Work Commission records of the deal’s approval, obtained by The Australian Financial Review, reveal the commission originally held concerns that the pay rates in the agreement were not high enough to leave workers better off than the award minimum.
The records show Mantle addressed those concerns by submitting rosters to prove the sole venue covered by the agreement didn’t open past 3pm on weekdays and so penalty rates were not relevant.
The agreement now covers Mantle restaurants and pubs in Brisbane and Sydney, including James Squire brew house, The Squire’s Landing on Sydney Harbour, Brisbane CBD restaurant Jimmy’s On the Mall, and the Pig N Whistle pub chain.
Maurice Blackburn principal Giri Sivaraman, who has acted for the United Workers Union to challenge previous Mantle agreements, said “it appears the agreement was approved on a very limited basis”.
“It’s hard to see how this agreement could have been approved if the sudden new workforce and workplaces were considered,” he said.
“Because the agreement didn’t have weekend penalty rates, it was approved on the basis of submissions from the employer that it covered a cafe only open limited hours on weekdays, when now clearly it covers a mass of workers who work late at night, weekends and public holidays.”
A spokesman for Mantle said that the company was paying staff some extra loading for weekends and also 225 per cent penalty rates for public holidays, arguing employees were “not required” to swap public holidays.
“The EBA requirements are what KGS Staff Pty Ltd must comply with at a minimum,” she said.
dv said:
A hospitality business that shifted about 700 bartenders, waiters and baristas to an agreement that deprived them of penalty rates got the deal approved by arguing it would apply to a cafe that did not open on nights, weekends or public holidays.Mantle Group sacked hundreds of casuals across 15 venues on Monday before immediately rehiring them with a different entity, less than two weeks after the Fair Work Commission had reverted the group’s staff back to the award’s full penalty rates.
https://www.afr.com/work-and-careers/workplace/inside-the-workplace-deal-that-denied-700-odd-casuals-penalty-rates-20230126-p5cfpt
The new entity, KGS Staff Pty Ltd, engages employees under a 2019 agreement that does not pay weekend penalties and its letters of offer, sent before Australia Day, includes an opt-out condition that staff swap their public holiday rates for other days.
But Fair Work Commission records of the deal’s approval, obtained by The Australian Financial Review, reveal the commission originally held concerns that the pay rates in the agreement were not high enough to leave workers better off than the award minimum.
The records show Mantle addressed those concerns by submitting rosters to prove the sole venue covered by the agreement didn’t open past 3pm on weekdays and so penalty rates were not relevant.
The agreement now covers Mantle restaurants and pubs in Brisbane and Sydney, including James Squire brew house, The Squire’s Landing on Sydney Harbour, Brisbane CBD restaurant Jimmy’s On the Mall, and the Pig N Whistle pub chain.
Maurice Blackburn principal Giri Sivaraman, who has acted for the United Workers Union to challenge previous Mantle agreements, said “it appears the agreement was approved on a very limited basis”.
“It’s hard to see how this agreement could have been approved if the sudden new workforce and workplaces were considered,” he said.
“Because the agreement didn’t have weekend penalty rates, it was approved on the basis of submissions from the employer that it covered a cafe only open limited hours on weekdays, when now clearly it covers a mass of workers who work late at night, weekends and public holidays.”
A spokesman for Mantle said that the company was paying staff some extra loading for weekends and also 225 per cent penalty rates for public holidays, arguing employees were “not required” to swap public holidays.
“The EBA requirements are what KGS Staff Pty Ltd must comply with at a minimum,” she said.
Simple. Make them close at 3pm on weekdays with no open hours on weekends and PHs. Their opening hours must coincide with the staff working hours.
party_pants said:
dv said:
A hospitality business that shifted about 700 bartenders, waiters and baristas to an agreement that deprived them of penalty rates got the deal approved by arguing it would apply to a cafe that did not open on nights, weekends or public holidays.Mantle Group sacked hundreds of casuals across 15 venues on Monday before immediately rehiring them with a different entity, less than two weeks after the Fair Work Commission had reverted the group’s staff back to the award’s full penalty rates.
https://www.afr.com/work-and-careers/workplace/inside-the-workplace-deal-that-denied-700-odd-casuals-penalty-rates-20230126-p5cfpt
The new entity, KGS Staff Pty Ltd, engages employees under a 2019 agreement that does not pay weekend penalties and its letters of offer, sent before Australia Day, includes an opt-out condition that staff swap their public holiday rates for other days.
But Fair Work Commission records of the deal’s approval, obtained by The Australian Financial Review, reveal the commission originally held concerns that the pay rates in the agreement were not high enough to leave workers better off than the award minimum.
The records show Mantle addressed those concerns by submitting rosters to prove the sole venue covered by the agreement didn’t open past 3pm on weekdays and so penalty rates were not relevant.
The agreement now covers Mantle restaurants and pubs in Brisbane and Sydney, including James Squire brew house, The Squire’s Landing on Sydney Harbour, Brisbane CBD restaurant Jimmy’s On the Mall, and the Pig N Whistle pub chain.
Maurice Blackburn principal Giri Sivaraman, who has acted for the United Workers Union to challenge previous Mantle agreements, said “it appears the agreement was approved on a very limited basis”.
“It’s hard to see how this agreement could have been approved if the sudden new workforce and workplaces were considered,” he said.
“Because the agreement didn’t have weekend penalty rates, it was approved on the basis of submissions from the employer that it covered a cafe only open limited hours on weekdays, when now clearly it covers a mass of workers who work late at night, weekends and public holidays.”
A spokesman for Mantle said that the company was paying staff some extra loading for weekends and also 225 per cent penalty rates for public holidays, arguing employees were “not required” to swap public holidays.
“The EBA requirements are what KGS Staff Pty Ltd must comply with at a minimum,” she said.
Simple. Make them close at 3pm on weekdays with no open hours on weekends and PHs. Their opening hours must coincide with the staff working hours.
That sounds commie, workers rights and stuff
Cymek said:
party_pants said:
dv said:
A hospitality business that shifted about 700 bartenders, waiters and baristas to an agreement that deprived them of penalty rates got the deal approved by arguing it would apply to a cafe that did not open on nights, weekends or public holidays.Mantle Group sacked hundreds of casuals across 15 venues on Monday before immediately rehiring them with a different entity, less than two weeks after the Fair Work Commission had reverted the group’s staff back to the award’s full penalty rates.
https://www.afr.com/work-and-careers/workplace/inside-the-workplace-deal-that-denied-700-odd-casuals-penalty-rates-20230126-p5cfpt
The new entity, KGS Staff Pty Ltd, engages employees under a 2019 agreement that does not pay weekend penalties and its letters of offer, sent before Australia Day, includes an opt-out condition that staff swap their public holiday rates for other days.
But Fair Work Commission records of the deal’s approval, obtained by The Australian Financial Review, reveal the commission originally held concerns that the pay rates in the agreement were not high enough to leave workers better off than the award minimum.
The records show Mantle addressed those concerns by submitting rosters to prove the sole venue covered by the agreement didn’t open past 3pm on weekdays and so penalty rates were not relevant.
The agreement now covers Mantle restaurants and pubs in Brisbane and Sydney, including James Squire brew house, The Squire’s Landing on Sydney Harbour, Brisbane CBD restaurant Jimmy’s On the Mall, and the Pig N Whistle pub chain.
Maurice Blackburn principal Giri Sivaraman, who has acted for the United Workers Union to challenge previous Mantle agreements, said “it appears the agreement was approved on a very limited basis”.
“It’s hard to see how this agreement could have been approved if the sudden new workforce and workplaces were considered,” he said.
“Because the agreement didn’t have weekend penalty rates, it was approved on the basis of submissions from the employer that it covered a cafe only open limited hours on weekdays, when now clearly it covers a mass of workers who work late at night, weekends and public holidays.”
A spokesman for Mantle said that the company was paying staff some extra loading for weekends and also 225 per cent penalty rates for public holidays, arguing employees were “not required” to swap public holidays.
“The EBA requirements are what KGS Staff Pty Ltd must comply with at a minimum,” she said.
Simple. Make them close at 3pm on weekdays with no open hours on weekends and PHs. Their opening hours must coincide with the staff working hours.
That sounds commie, workers rights and stuff
You know the old saying, Happy wife happy life?
I’ve heard it said that if bread is the staff of life then the life of the staff is a loaf.
However, It should be happy staff == lots of chaff.
roughbarked said:
Cymek said:
party_pants said:Simple. Make them close at 3pm on weekdays with no open hours on weekends and PHs. Their opening hours must coincide with the staff working hours.
That sounds commie, workers rights and stuff
You know the old saying, Happy wife happy life?
I’ve heard it said that if bread is the staff of life then the life of the staff is a loaf.
However, It should be happy staff == lots of chaff.
I was thinking in the context of the USA, convinced your population that workers rights are communist so you can treat them poorly and make them be grateful
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/western-australia/mia-davies-resigns-as-wa-opposition-leader-20230127-p5cg0w.html
ChrispenEvan said:
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/western-australia/mia-davies-resigns-as-wa-opposition-leader-20230127-p5cg0w.html
So will Shane Love take the reigns?
dv said:
ChrispenEvan said:
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/western-australia/mia-davies-resigns-as-wa-opposition-leader-20230127-p5cg0w.htmlSo will Shane Love take the reigns?
Western Australia’s opposition is in turmoil as Libby Mettam prepares to mount a challenge for the leadership of the Liberal Party.
roughbarked said:
dv said:
ChrispenEvan said:
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/western-australia/mia-davies-resigns-as-wa-opposition-leader-20230127-p5cg0w.htmlSo will Shane Love take the reigns?
Western Australia’s opposition is in turmoil as Libby Mettam prepares to mount a challenge for the leadership of the Liberal Party.
ROFL … there’s only two of them.
dv said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:So will Shane Love take the reigns?
Western Australia’s opposition is in turmoil as Libby Mettam prepares to mount a challenge for the leadership of the Liberal Party.
ROFL … there’s only two of them.
They got some people in the other house but, don’t they?
furious said:
dv said:
roughbarked said:Western Australia’s opposition is in turmoil as Libby Mettam prepares to mount a challenge for the leadership of the Liberal Party.
ROFL … there’s only two of them.
They got some people in the other house but, don’t they?
Yeah, but they are not leadership material. They are the hardcore evangelicals faction.
party_pants said:
furious said:
dv said:ROFL … there’s only two of them.
They got some people in the other house but, don’t they?
Yeah, but they are not leadership material. They are the hardcore evangelicals faction.
You’re suggesting that no-one from the hardcore evangelicals faction is leadership material?
sibeen said:
party_pants said:
furious said:They got some people in the other house but, don’t they?
Yeah, but they are not leadership material. They are the hardcore evangelicals faction.
You’re suggesting that no-one from the hardcore evangelicals faction is leadership material?
Yes.
party_pants said:
sibeen said:
party_pants said:Yeah, but they are not leadership material. They are the hardcore evangelicals faction.
You’re suggesting that no-one from the hardcore evangelicals faction is leadership material?
Yes.
I, for one, am shocked; shocked I tells ya.
sibeen said:
party_pants said:
sibeen said:You’re suggesting that no-one from the hardcore evangelicals faction is leadership material?
Yes.
I, for one, am shocked; shocked I tells ya.
Well, I have to admit that not all of them are fundies. But the fundy faction is stronger in the upper house. Lead by Goiran and Collier. They have a bit of a reputation, and generally no public appeal to swinging voters. There’s a handful of others, but they are either newbies or unknowns.
sibeen said:
party_pants said:
furious said:They got some people in the other house but, don’t they?
Yeah, but they are not leadership material. They are the hardcore evangelicals faction.
You’re suggesting that no-one from the hardcore evangelicals faction is leadership material?
It would be extremely unusual for the leader to be from the Upper House rather than the Lower.
dv said:
sibeen said:
party_pants said:Yeah, but they are not leadership material. They are the hardcore evangelicals faction.
You’re suggesting that no-one from the hardcore evangelicals faction is leadership material?
It would be extremely unusual for the leader to be from the Upper House rather than the Lower.
Yeah, I didn’t mean the leader would come from there, just that there would be more than the two of them voting on the leader. If it was just the two of them , we’ll, that’d be just stupid…
dv said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:So will Shane Love take the reigns?
Western Australia’s opposition is in turmoil as Libby Mettam prepares to mount a challenge for the leadership of the Liberal Party.
ROFL … there’s only two of them.
Heh.
sibeen said:
party_pants said:
furious said:They got some people in the other house but, don’t they?
Yeah, but they are not leadership material. They are the hardcore evangelicals faction.
You’re suggesting that no-one from the hardcore evangelicals faction is leadership material?
We’ve seen what that does. Farcial lying bastards that say God told them to do it.
furious said:
dv said:
sibeen said:You’re suggesting that no-one from the hardcore evangelicals faction is leadership material?
It would be extremely unusual for the leader to be from the Upper House rather than the Lower.
Yeah, I didn’t mean the leader would come from there, just that there would be more than the two of them voting on the leader. If it was just the two of them , we’ll, that’d be just stupid…
rock, paper, scissors.
Damn, another fkn huge surprise¡
independent evaluation of The National School Chaplaincy Program (NSCP) supports the government’s decision to gives schools a choice of hiring a chaplain or student wellbeing officer
antireligious communists
ChrispenEvan said:
furious said:
dv said:It would be extremely unusual for the leader to be from the Upper House rather than the Lower.
Yeah, I didn’t mean the leader would come from there, just that there would be more than the two of them voting on the leader. If it was just the two of them , we’ll, that’d be just stupid…
rock, paper, scissors.
straws
If barbecuing a sausage roll didn’t kill his career, then maybe the “old man yells at cloud” vibe might.
dv said:
If barbecuing a sausage roll didn’t kill his career, then maybe the “old man yells at cloud” vibe might.
Is this perhaps just an excuse to give some of his ‘consultant’ friends a well-paid excuse to play video games for a while?
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
If barbecuing a sausage roll didn’t kill his career, then maybe the “old man yells at cloud” vibe might.
Is this perhaps just an excuse to give some of his ‘consultant’ friends a well-paid excuse to play video games for a while?
it’s a complete waste of money
Arts said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
If barbecuing a sausage roll didn’t kill his career, then maybe the “old man yells at cloud” vibe might.
Is this perhaps just an excuse to give some of his ‘consultant’ friends a well-paid excuse to play video games for a while?
it’s a complete waste of money
Big Tech have got to you!
Arts said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
If barbecuing a sausage roll didn’t kill his career, then maybe the “old man yells at cloud” vibe might.
Is this perhaps just an excuse to give some of his ‘consultant’ friends a well-paid excuse to play video games for a while?
it’s a complete waste of money
This is the sort of thing conservative Christians were concerned about back in the 1990s. Well, the video games bit, not the drones. They probably view drones as a healthy hobby, a subset of radio controlled aircraft.
party_pants said:
Arts said:
captain_spalding said:Is this perhaps just an excuse to give some of his ‘consultant’ friends a well-paid excuse to play video games for a while?
it’s a complete waste of money
This is the sort of thing conservative Christians were concerned about back in the 1990s. Well, the video games bit, not the drones. They probably view drones as a healthy hobby, a subset of radio controlled aircraft.
drones?
Arts said:
party_pants said:
Arts said:it’s a complete waste of money
This is the sort of thing conservative Christians were concerned about back in the 1990s. Well, the video games bit, not the drones. They probably view drones as a healthy hobby, a subset of radio controlled aircraft.
drones?
Hang on, phones.
Didn’t have my glasses on.
…. carry on
Witty Rejoinder said:
Arts said:
captain_spalding said:Is this perhaps just an excuse to give some of his ‘consultant’ friends a well-paid excuse to play video games for a while?
it’s a complete waste of money
Big Tech have got to you!
I mean, it’s fucking bullshit bandaid spending by conservative bullshit artists who think anything that wasn’t part of their childhood is dangerous and will summon the devil. How dare teenagers and children have access to ideas and thoughts that don’t align with their parents.. the money is better spent on providing parenting skills.
party_pants said:
Arts said:
party_pants said:This is the sort of thing conservative Christians were concerned about back in the 1990s. Well, the video games bit, not the drones. They probably view drones as a healthy hobby, a subset of radio controlled aircraft.
drones?
Hang on, phones.
Didn’t have my glasses on.
…. carry on
I thought the cheese done slid off your cracker.
dv said:
party_pants said:
Arts said:drones?
Hang on, phones.
Didn’t have my glasses on.
…. carry on
I thought the cheese done slid off your cracker.
at least drones get the kids outside….
Arts said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Arts said:it’s a complete waste of money
Big Tech have got to you!
I mean, it’s fucking bullshit bandaid spending by conservative bullshit artists who think anything that wasn’t part of their childhood is dangerous and will summon the devil. How dare teenagers and children have access to ideas and thoughts that don’t align with their parents.. the money is better spent on providing parenting skills.
dv said:
party_pants said:
Arts said:drones?
Hang on, phones.
Didn’t have my glasses on.
…. carry on
I thought the cheese done slid off your cracker.
My vision is a bit bad first thing in the morning, clears up later in the day. I’m getting the next injection on Tuesday which will clear it up again for a few months.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Arts said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Big Tech have got to you!
I mean, it’s fucking bullshit bandaid spending by conservative bullshit artists who think anything that wasn’t part of their childhood is dangerous and will summon the devil. How dare teenagers and children have access to ideas and thoughts that don’t align with their parents.. the money is better spent on providing parenting skills.
It’s really not much money.
then they should treat their staff to ice-cream Friday
wait is it time to do a few studies on how a novel pathogen could fuck up health and health systems
Arts said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Arts said:I mean, it’s fucking bullshit bandaid spending by conservative bullshit artists who think anything that wasn’t part of their childhood is dangerous and will summon the devil. How dare teenagers and children have access to ideas and thoughts that don’t align with their parents.. the money is better spent on providing parenting skills.
It’s really not much money.
then they should treat their staff to ice-cream Friday
We did proper coffee/hot chocolate/iced coffee/iced chocolate and chocolate biscuits for afternoon tea on Fridays. Then again, we had the chocolate biscuits in the fridge all the time. So it was only the proper beveridge that was different.
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SCIENCE said:
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https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/war-of-words-erupts-between-opus-dei-schools-and-the-abc-20230127-p5cfvs.html
SCIENCE said:
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https://tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/posts/1987597/
thanks
SCIENCE said:
thanks
No worries
Arts said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
If barbecuing a sausage roll didn’t kill his career, then maybe the “old man yells at cloud” vibe might.
Is this perhaps just an excuse to give some of his ‘consultant’ friends a well-paid excuse to play video games for a while?
it’s a complete waste of money
+1
For God’s sake they have done the research on how it effects young people’s brains and the parents in Silicon Valley micromanaged their children’s use of technology. So how about we use research and knowledge freely available to us. Oh no!
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-30/family-law-reform-overhaul-proposed/101905666
The federal government has announced plans to revamp the strained family law system, arguing there needs to be a greater emphasis on the interests of children in bitter parental disputes.
Attorney-General Mark Dreyfus said courts and judges would be presented with six “simple” principles for making custody arrangements for children, and the presumption that both parents should be considered to be on equal footing in parenting disagreements would be removed.
He said reform of the family law system, which has long been criticised as slow, expensive and traumatic for families at vulnerable moments in their lives, had been put off for too long
Family law overhaul promised, as government drafts new system more inclusive of children and kinship carers
“In the nine years the former government was in office, there were at least two dozen reviews into the family law system, with hundreds of recommendations that were simply ignored,” Mr Dreyfus said.
“The draft laws … would replace the often confusing law around parenting arrangements with six simple, best interest factors for courts to decide what is in the best interest of children.”
The principles include considering the safety of the child in any custody dispute, the ability for either parent to provide care for their child, the benefit for a child in maintaining a relationship with their parents, and the child’s own views on the arrangements.
The presumption of “equal shared parental responsibility” has long been labelled one of the most problematic parts of Australia’s family law framework, with fears it could incentivise abusive partners to litigate parenting disputes.
Labor was fiercely critical of the Coalition’s record in managing the family law system, joining members of the legal community to rail against the former government’s plan to merge the Family Court and the Federal Circuit Court.
That measure passed federal parliament in February 2021.
The proposed changes, which the federal government want passed into law this year, do not look at breaking the two courts apart.
The Coalition was also accused of kowtowing to One Nation leader Pauline Hanson in launching a parliamentary inquiry into the family law system in 2019.
Mr Dreyfus said the legislation would also look at the definition of “member of the family”, to make it more “inclusive of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander concepts of family and kinship”.
dv said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-30/family-law-reform-overhaul-proposed/101905666The federal government has announced plans to revamp the strained family law system, arguing there needs to be a greater emphasis on the interests of children in bitter parental disputes.
Attorney-General Mark Dreyfus said courts and judges would be presented with six “simple” principles for making custody arrangements for children, and the presumption that both parents should be considered to be on equal footing in parenting disagreements would be removed.He said reform of the family law system, which has long been criticised as slow, expensive and traumatic for families at vulnerable moments in their lives, had been put off for too long
Family law overhaul promised, as government drafts new system more inclusive of children and kinship carers
“In the nine years the former government was in office, there were at least two dozen reviews into the family law system, with hundreds of recommendations that were simply ignored,” Mr Dreyfus said.
“The draft laws … would replace the often confusing law around parenting arrangements with six simple, best interest factors for courts to decide what is in the best interest of children.”
The principles include considering the safety of the child in any custody dispute, the ability for either parent to provide care for their child, the benefit for a child in maintaining a relationship with their parents, and the child’s own views on the arrangements.
The presumption of “equal shared parental responsibility” has long been labelled one of the most problematic parts of Australia’s family law framework, with fears it could incentivise abusive partners to litigate parenting disputes.
Labor was fiercely critical of the Coalition’s record in managing the family law system, joining members of the legal community to rail against the former government’s plan to merge the Family Court and the Federal Circuit Court.
That measure passed federal parliament in February 2021.
The proposed changes, which the federal government want passed into law this year, do not look at breaking the two courts apart.
The Coalition was also accused of kowtowing to One Nation leader Pauline Hanson in launching a parliamentary inquiry into the family law system in 2019.
Mr Dreyfus said the legislation would also look at the definition of “member of the family”, to make it more “inclusive of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander concepts of family and kinship”.
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Yes an unsupervised access by a parent that has sexually abused their child really needs to stop. I was 15 years old when I first saw this happen. And it is still happening. If a young person tries seriously self harm before being forced to visit the sexual predator of a parent. Maybe the reasons for this could be considered?
Perhaps the judges and magistrates need to have to sit with the young people when they turn 18 whose lives they impacted on and hear what it was like to experience their rulings. This could give some judges and magistrates insight in what not to do. They should also have to have a look at the suicides of young people as these arrangements progress.
Radio National did some highly disturbing but brilliant interviews with young people who have had to have visitation with their sexually abusive parent. The other parent having been warned if they didn’t provide their child for visitation they could lose custody.
What is worst and what I once warned a psychiatrist about is that if you don’t hand the children over the sex offender parent can end up with full custody. The psychiatrist thought I was exaggerating about the outcomes of the Family Court. So I gave up after that. There really needs to be a serious of documentaries with the young people that have experienced these experiences. They really do need to be protected.
It was why a lot of young people are better off running away from home – it avoids the need to go through the Family Court, and the young person, in many cases, can avoid ongoing sexual abuse from their child rapist parent.
Libby Mettam is set to be elected the next leader of the WA Liberal party unchallenged, after current leader David Honey indicated he would not stand.
Ms Mettam had challenged Dr Honey for the position, saying she believed she had the support of her colleagues.
It is understood Dr Honey will not contest a leadership ballot at a Liberal partyroom meeting this morning.
That would mean Ms Mettam, the MP for Vasse, would become leader by default.
She would become the sixth state Liberal leader since former premier Colin Barnett quit after losing the 2017 state election to Labor.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-30/david-honey-libby-mettam-wa-liberal-leadership/101904478
Former deputy PM John Anderson has joined the committee for the “No” case for the Aboriginal Voice in Parliament.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-30/lachlan-murdoch-claims-crikey-benefited-from-defamation-case/101906200
dv said:
Former deputy PM John Anderson has joined the committee for the “No” case for the Aboriginal Voice in Parliament.
Will the No case committee have any racists in it ?
Tau.Neutrino said:
dv said:
Former deputy PM John Anderson has joined the committee for the “No” case for the Aboriginal Voice in Parliament.
Will the No case committee have any racists in it ?
Well who knows what lies within folks’ hearts but half the committee is aboriginal.
dv said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
dv said:
Former deputy PM John Anderson has joined the committee for the “No” case for the Aboriginal Voice in Parliament.
Will the No case committee have any racists in it ?
Well who knows what lies within folks’ hearts but half the committee is aboriginal.
ok I though they were all government officials.
interesting.
false flag wait
Independent Member for Clark, Andrew Wilkie, says today’s release of the Australian Electoral Commission annual returns again highlights the urgent need for political donation reform.
“The figures released by the AEC today paint a dire picture for Australia’s democracy and further demonstrate that current political donation disclosure requirements are deeply flawed,” Mr Wilkie said. “Donations from the gambling industry such as Sportsbet and Clubs NSW, as well as fossil-fuel entities and the tobacco industry, to political parties in an election year, demonstrates yet again how these big spenders continue exerting their influence over the country’s political process and decision makers.
“When someone hands over hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars in donations, it comes with an expectation of a return on that investment. And let’s not forget how ridiculous it is that Clive Palmer is allowed to give more than $116 million to his party through his mining company, Mineralogy.
“It’s also alarming to read that the Tasmanian branch of the Liberal Party did not disclose more than 80 per cent of their donations. No wonder trust in politicians is at an all-time low when parties are essentially accepting what can be akin to wads of cash in a brown paper bag.
“The whole process needs a complete overhaul. That’s why I intend to re-introduce my Commonwealth Electoral Amendment (Cleaning up Political Donations) Bill to restore public confidence in the process. I introduced the Bill in 2022, but shamefully, although perhaps unsurprisingly, neither party supported it.
“The Bill requires real-time disclosure, lowers the donation threshold to $1,000 aggregated, implements caps on donations and electoral expenditure and expands the definition of gift. Most notably, it will also prohibit political donations from particular industries, including fossil-fuel entities, gambling companies, liquor companies and the tobacco industry.”
https://andrewwilkie.org/2023/02/australian-political-donation-laws-no-better-than-legalised-corruption/
sarahs mum said:
Independent Member for Clark, Andrew Wilkie, says today’s release of the Australian Electoral Commission annual returns again highlights the urgent need for political donation reform.
“The figures released by the AEC today paint a dire picture for Australia’s democracy and further demonstrate that current political donation disclosure requirements are deeply flawed,” Mr Wilkie said. “Donations from the gambling industry such as Sportsbet and Clubs NSW, as well as fossil-fuel entities and the tobacco industry, to political parties in an election year, demonstrates yet again how these big spenders continue exerting their influence over the country’s political process and decision makers.
“When someone hands over hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars in donations, it comes with an expectation of a return on that investment. And let’s not forget how ridiculous it is that Clive Palmer is allowed to give more than $116 million to his party through his mining company, Mineralogy.
“It’s also alarming to read that the Tasmanian branch of the Liberal Party did not disclose more than 80 per cent of their donations. No wonder trust in politicians is at an all-time low when parties are essentially accepting what can be akin to wads of cash in a brown paper bag.
“The whole process needs a complete overhaul. That’s why I intend to re-introduce my Commonwealth Electoral Amendment (Cleaning up Political Donations) Bill to restore public confidence in the process. I introduced the Bill in 2022, but shamefully, although perhaps unsurprisingly, neither party supported it.
“The Bill requires real-time disclosure, lowers the donation threshold to $1,000 aggregated, implements caps on donations and electoral expenditure and expands the definition of gift. Most notably, it will also prohibit political donations from particular industries, including fossil-fuel entities, gambling companies, liquor companies and the tobacco industry.”
https://andrewwilkie.org/2023/02/australian-political-donation-laws-no-better-than-legalised-corruption/
…… and neither part will support it again.
sarahs mum said:
Independent Member for Clark, Andrew Wilkie, says today’s release of the Australian Electoral Commission annual returns again highlights the urgent need for political donation reform.
“The figures released by the AEC today paint a dire picture for Australia’s democracy and further demonstrate that current political donation disclosure requirements are deeply flawed,” Mr Wilkie said. “Donations from the gambling industry such as Sportsbet and Clubs NSW, as well as fossil-fuel entities and the tobacco industry, to political parties in an election year, demonstrates yet again how these big spenders continue exerting their influence over the country’s political process and decision makers.
“When someone hands over hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars in donations, it comes with an expectation of a return on that investment. And let’s not forget how ridiculous it is that Clive Palmer is allowed to give more than $116 million to his party through his mining company, Mineralogy.
“It’s also alarming to read that the Tasmanian branch of the Liberal Party did not disclose more than 80 per cent of their donations. No wonder trust in politicians is at an all-time low when parties are essentially accepting what can be akin to wads of cash in a brown paper bag.
“The whole process needs a complete overhaul. That’s why I intend to re-introduce my Commonwealth Electoral Amendment (Cleaning up Political Donations) Bill to restore public confidence in the process. I introduced the Bill in 2022, but shamefully, although perhaps unsurprisingly, neither party supported it.
“The Bill requires real-time disclosure, lowers the donation threshold to $1,000 aggregated, implements caps on donations and electoral expenditure and expands the definition of gift. Most notably, it will also prohibit political donations from particular industries, including fossil-fuel entities, gambling companies, liquor companies and the tobacco industry.”
https://andrewwilkie.org/2023/02/australian-political-donation-laws-no-better-than-legalised-corruption/
Seems a good idea
I mean we all know political donations are a bribe
Woodie said:
sarahs mum said:Independent Member for Clark, Andrew Wilkie, says today’s release of the Australian Electoral Commission annual returns again highlights the urgent need for political donation reform.
“The figures released by the AEC today paint a dire picture for Australia’s democracy and further demonstrate that current political donation disclosure requirements are deeply flawed,” Mr Wilkie said. “Donations from the gambling industry such as Sportsbet and Clubs NSW, as well as fossil-fuel entities and the tobacco industry, to political parties in an election year, demonstrates yet again how these big spenders continue exerting their influence over the country’s political process and decision makers.
“When someone hands over hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars in donations, it comes with an expectation of a return on that investment. And let’s not forget how ridiculous it is that Clive Palmer is allowed to give more than $116 million to his party through his mining company, Mineralogy.
“It’s also alarming to read that the Tasmanian branch of the Liberal Party did not disclose more than 80 per cent of their donations. No wonder trust in politicians is at an all-time low when parties are essentially accepting what can be akin to wads of cash in a brown paper bag.
“The whole process needs a complete overhaul. That’s why I intend to re-introduce my Commonwealth Electoral Amendment (Cleaning up Political Donations) Bill to restore public confidence in the process. I introduced the Bill in 2022, but shamefully, although perhaps unsurprisingly, neither party supported it.
“The Bill requires real-time disclosure, lowers the donation threshold to $1,000 aggregated, implements caps on donations and electoral expenditure and expands the definition of gift. Most notably, it will also prohibit political donations from particular industries, including fossil-fuel entities, gambling companies, liquor companies and the tobacco industry.”
https://andrewwilkie.org/2023/02/australian-political-donation-laws-no-better-than-legalised-corruption/
…… and neither part will support it again.
We need more wilkies.
sarahs mum said:
Woodie said:
sarahs mum said:Independent Member for Clark, Andrew Wilkie, says today’s release of the Australian Electoral Commission annual returns again highlights the urgent need for political donation reform.
“The figures released by the AEC today paint a dire picture for Australia’s democracy and further demonstrate that current political donation disclosure requirements are deeply flawed,” Mr Wilkie said. “Donations from the gambling industry such as Sportsbet and Clubs NSW, as well as fossil-fuel entities and the tobacco industry, to political parties in an election year, demonstrates yet again how these big spenders continue exerting their influence over the country’s political process and decision makers.
“When someone hands over hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars in donations, it comes with an expectation of a return on that investment. And let’s not forget how ridiculous it is that Clive Palmer is allowed to give more than $116 million to his party through his mining company, Mineralogy.
“It’s also alarming to read that the Tasmanian branch of the Liberal Party did not disclose more than 80 per cent of their donations. No wonder trust in politicians is at an all-time low when parties are essentially accepting what can be akin to wads of cash in a brown paper bag.
“The whole process needs a complete overhaul. That’s why I intend to re-introduce my Commonwealth Electoral Amendment (Cleaning up Political Donations) Bill to restore public confidence in the process. I introduced the Bill in 2022, but shamefully, although perhaps unsurprisingly, neither party supported it.
“The Bill requires real-time disclosure, lowers the donation threshold to $1,000 aggregated, implements caps on donations and electoral expenditure and expands the definition of gift. Most notably, it will also prohibit political donations from particular industries, including fossil-fuel entities, gambling companies, liquor companies and the tobacco industry.”
https://andrewwilkie.org/2023/02/australian-political-donation-laws-no-better-than-legalised-corruption/
…… and neither part will support it again.
We need more wilkies.
It makes you wonder if you did propose too radical a bill if occurrences would happen (to you and family) that would make you reconsider.
Cymek said:
sarahs mum said:
Woodie said:…… and neither part will support it again.
We need more wilkies.
It makes you wonder if you did propose too radical a bill if occurrences would happen (to you and family) that would make you reconsider.
Andrew Wilkie “My proposal is extremely watered down from what I originally intended. I was going to propose no political donations of any kind. Every party runs community events like fete’s to raise money for funding its election campaigns. It would make for some interesting political adverts, hand drawn by someone kid that runs for 10 seconds
sarahs mum said:
Woodie said:
sarahs mum said:Independent Member for Clark, Andrew Wilkie, says today’s release of the Australian Electoral Commission annual returns again highlights the urgent need for political donation reform.
“The figures released by the AEC today paint a dire picture for Australia’s democracy and further demonstrate that current political donation disclosure requirements are deeply flawed,” Mr Wilkie said. “Donations from the gambling industry such as Sportsbet and Clubs NSW, as well as fossil-fuel entities and the tobacco industry, to political parties in an election year, demonstrates yet again how these big spenders continue exerting their influence over the country’s political process and decision makers.
“When someone hands over hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars in donations, it comes with an expectation of a return on that investment. And let’s not forget how ridiculous it is that Clive Palmer is allowed to give more than $116 million to his party through his mining company, Mineralogy.
“It’s also alarming to read that the Tasmanian branch of the Liberal Party did not disclose more than 80 per cent of their donations. No wonder trust in politicians is at an all-time low when parties are essentially accepting what can be akin to wads of cash in a brown paper bag.
“The whole process needs a complete overhaul. That’s why I intend to re-introduce my Commonwealth Electoral Amendment (Cleaning up Political Donations) Bill to restore public confidence in the process. I introduced the Bill in 2022, but shamefully, although perhaps unsurprisingly, neither party supported it.
“The Bill requires real-time disclosure, lowers the donation threshold to $1,000 aggregated, implements caps on donations and electoral expenditure and expands the definition of gift. Most notably, it will also prohibit political donations from particular industries, including fossil-fuel entities, gambling companies, liquor companies and the tobacco industry.”
https://andrewwilkie.org/2023/02/australian-political-donation-laws-no-better-than-legalised-corruption/
…… and neither part will support it again.
We need more wilkies.
Absolutely…
Cymek said:
Cymek said:
sarahs mum said:We need more wilkies.
It makes you wonder if you did propose too radical a bill if occurrences would happen (to you and family) that would make you reconsider.
Andrew Wilkie “My proposal is extremely watered down from what I originally intended. I was going to propose no political donations of any kind. Every party runs community events like fete’s to raise money for funding its election campaigns. It would make for some interesting political adverts, hand drawn by someone kid that runs for 10 seconds
They would be a lot less annoying…
Cymek said:
Cymek said:
sarahs mum said:We need more wilkies.
It makes you wonder if you did propose too radical a bill if occurrences would happen (to you and family) that would make you reconsider.
Andrew Wilkie “My proposal is extremely watered down from what I originally intended. I was going to propose no political donations of any kind. Every party runs community events like fete’s to raise money for funding its election campaigns. It would make for some interesting political adverts, hand drawn by someone kid that runs for 10 seconds
What I really like about wilkie is that he has taken votes votes from Libs, Labs and Greens. The people who don’t like wilkie seem to be the group with “kill all the greenies’ stickers on their utes.
Woodie said:
sarahs mum said:Independent Member for Clark, Andrew Wilkie, says today’s release of the Australian Electoral Commission annual returns again highlights the urgent need for political donation reform.
“The figures released by the AEC today paint a dire picture for Australia’s democracy and further demonstrate that current political donation disclosure requirements are deeply flawed,” Mr Wilkie said. “Donations from the gambling industry such as Sportsbet and Clubs NSW, as well as fossil-fuel entities and the tobacco industry, to political parties in an election year, demonstrates yet again how these big spenders continue exerting their influence over the country’s political process and decision makers.
“When someone hands over hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars in donations, it comes with an expectation of a return on that investment. And let’s not forget how ridiculous it is that Clive Palmer is allowed to give more than $116 million to his party through his mining company, Mineralogy.
“It’s also alarming to read that the Tasmanian branch of the Liberal Party did not disclose more than 80 per cent of their donations. No wonder trust in politicians is at an all-time low when parties are essentially accepting what can be akin to wads of cash in a brown paper bag.
“The whole process needs a complete overhaul. That’s why I intend to re-introduce my Commonwealth Electoral Amendment (Cleaning up Political Donations) Bill to restore public confidence in the process. I introduced the Bill in 2022, but shamefully, although perhaps unsurprisingly, neither party supported it.
“The Bill requires real-time disclosure, lowers the donation threshold to $1,000 aggregated, implements caps on donations and electoral expenditure and expands the definition of gift. Most notably, it will also prohibit political donations from particular industries, including fossil-fuel entities, gambling companies, liquor companies and the tobacco industry.”
https://andrewwilkie.org/2023/02/australian-political-donation-laws-no-better-than-legalised-corruption/
…… and neither party will support it again.
Sadly, what you say is likely true.
:(
sarahs mum said:
Woodie said:
sarahs mum said:Independent Member for Clark, Andrew Wilkie, says today’s release of the Australian Electoral Commission annual returns again highlights the urgent need for political donation reform.
“The figures released by the AEC today paint a dire picture for Australia’s democracy and further demonstrate that current political donation disclosure requirements are deeply flawed,” Mr Wilkie said. “Donations from the gambling industry such as Sportsbet and Clubs NSW, as well as fossil-fuel entities and the tobacco industry, to political parties in an election year, demonstrates yet again how these big spenders continue exerting their influence over the country’s political process and decision makers.
“When someone hands over hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars in donations, it comes with an expectation of a return on that investment. And let’s not forget how ridiculous it is that Clive Palmer is allowed to give more than $116 million to his party through his mining company, Mineralogy.
“It’s also alarming to read that the Tasmanian branch of the Liberal Party did not disclose more than 80 per cent of their donations. No wonder trust in politicians is at an all-time low when parties are essentially accepting what can be akin to wads of cash in a brown paper bag.
“The whole process needs a complete overhaul. That’s why I intend to re-introduce my Commonwealth Electoral Amendment (Cleaning up Political Donations) Bill to restore public confidence in the process. I introduced the Bill in 2022, but shamefully, although perhaps unsurprisingly, neither party supported it.
“The Bill requires real-time disclosure, lowers the donation threshold to $1,000 aggregated, implements caps on donations and electoral expenditure and expands the definition of gift. Most notably, it will also prohibit political donations from particular industries, including fossil-fuel entities, gambling companies, liquor companies and the tobacco industry.”
https://andrewwilkie.org/2023/02/australian-political-donation-laws-no-better-than-legalised-corruption/
…… and neither party will support it again.
We need more wilkies.
Nods.
Michael V said:
Woodie said:
sarahs mum said:Independent Member for Clark, Andrew Wilkie, says today’s release of the Australian Electoral Commission annual returns again highlights the urgent need for political donation reform.
“The figures released by the AEC today paint a dire picture for Australia’s democracy and further demonstrate that current political donation disclosure requirements are deeply flawed,” Mr Wilkie said. “Donations from the gambling industry such as Sportsbet and Clubs NSW, as well as fossil-fuel entities and the tobacco industry, to political parties in an election year, demonstrates yet again how these big spenders continue exerting their influence over the country’s political process and decision makers.
“When someone hands over hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars in donations, it comes with an expectation of a return on that investment. And let’s not forget how ridiculous it is that Clive Palmer is allowed to give more than $116 million to his party through his mining company, Mineralogy.
“It’s also alarming to read that the Tasmanian branch of the Liberal Party did not disclose more than 80 per cent of their donations. No wonder trust in politicians is at an all-time low when parties are essentially accepting what can be akin to wads of cash in a brown paper bag.
“The whole process needs a complete overhaul. That’s why I intend to re-introduce my Commonwealth Electoral Amendment (Cleaning up Political Donations) Bill to restore public confidence in the process. I introduced the Bill in 2022, but shamefully, although perhaps unsurprisingly, neither party supported it.
“The Bill requires real-time disclosure, lowers the donation threshold to $1,000 aggregated, implements caps on donations and electoral expenditure and expands the definition of gift. Most notably, it will also prohibit political donations from particular industries, including fossil-fuel entities, gambling companies, liquor companies and the tobacco industry.”
https://andrewwilkie.org/2023/02/australian-political-donation-laws-no-better-than-legalised-corruption/
…… and neither party will support it again.
Sadly, what you say is likely true.
:(
Snouts, troughs.
Michael V said:
Woodie said:
sarahs mum said:Independent Member for Clark, Andrew Wilkie, says today’s release of the Australian Electoral Commission annual returns again highlights the urgent need for political donation reform.
“The figures released by the AEC today paint a dire picture for Australia’s democracy and further demonstrate that current political donation disclosure requirements are deeply flawed,” Mr Wilkie said. “Donations from the gambling industry such as Sportsbet and Clubs NSW, as well as fossil-fuel entities and the tobacco industry, to political parties in an election year, demonstrates yet again how these big spenders continue exerting their influence over the country’s political process and decision makers.
“When someone hands over hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars in donations, it comes with an expectation of a return on that investment. And let’s not forget how ridiculous it is that Clive Palmer is allowed to give more than $116 million to his party through his mining company, Mineralogy.
“It’s also alarming to read that the Tasmanian branch of the Liberal Party did not disclose more than 80 per cent of their donations. No wonder trust in politicians is at an all-time low when parties are essentially accepting what can be akin to wads of cash in a brown paper bag.
“The whole process needs a complete overhaul. That’s why I intend to re-introduce my Commonwealth Electoral Amendment (Cleaning up Political Donations) Bill to restore public confidence in the process. I introduced the Bill in 2022, but shamefully, although perhaps unsurprisingly, neither party supported it.
“The Bill requires real-time disclosure, lowers the donation threshold to $1,000 aggregated, implements caps on donations and electoral expenditure and expands the definition of gift. Most notably, it will also prohibit political donations from particular industries, including fossil-fuel entities, gambling companies, liquor companies and the tobacco industry.”
https://andrewwilkie.org/2023/02/australian-political-donation-laws-no-better-than-legalised-corruption/
…… and neither party will support it again.
Sadly, what you say is likely true.
:(
We should be able to look this up in real time. We have the technology.
sarahs mum said:
sarahs mum said:
i know itis inappropriate to speak badly of the dead. But glorifying and martyrising Pell is fucked.
At least I am not alone in thinking that.
in what way is it inappropriate, plenty of people celebrating Ioseb Besarionis and that other fella, Schicklgruber or whatever his name was
Michael V said:
JudgeMental said:
Peak Warming Man said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
Woodie said:
roughbarked said:
sibeen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bubblecar said:
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:
buffy said:
Cymek said:
sarahs mum said:
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:
buffy said:
Does anyone want to be outraged?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-02/australian-5-dollar-note-queen-redesign/101920798
Pass.
I’ll see it one day.
The headline was enough for me.
Dutton says King Charles snub in $5 note redesign an ‘attack on society’.
> When what he actually meant was, “How dare you put an aborigine on the king’s money”.
outraged that dutton is outraged.
What a moronic think to think let alone say (Dutton not you)
There is already an aboriginal person on one of the other notes. I understand from actually reading the news item, that a design of commemoration and recognition is to be devised.
$50 note.
Better to celebrate many people than just one, who doesn’t even live here anyway.
Yep.
I’m glad that Dutton is outraged :)
The only people likely to share his view on this would be the handful who want him to be PM.
I used to be a noyed by this sort of thing.
These days I’m just a pathetic.
ROFL
At my age, life’s too short to get a noyed about much.
You really should be a lert, Mr Dodgy Rev. The country needs lerts.
Just as long as you aren’t a larm. There is too many larms about already.
I try to be a lert, but end up just being a larmed, in spite of Mr. Howard.
Imagine John Howard’s funeral, phoaw.
The left will have all their placards ready to go, just waiting for the big day.
And the ABC will be there to cover the protests…………I mean the funeral.
:)
it’s a fair point about history we mean
“I think it is another attack on our systems, our society and institutions.” Liberal senator Dean Smith, who is a staunch monarchist and constitutional conservative, said he did not understand why the note could not incorporate all elements of Australia’s history. “A design incorporating both our new King and an appreciation for Australia’s Indigenous heritage and culture would be a better and more unifying approach,” he said in a statement.
like fuck why isn’t George III or Edward VIII on there, yeah like all Euro notes should include pictures of Hitler and oh wait maybe yousall mean they should be given space commensurate with their time, how about allocate space 50000 to 250 for first nations to colonised
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
JudgeMental said:
:)
it’s a fair point about history we mean
“I think it is another attack on our systems, our society and institutions.” Liberal senator Dean Smith, who is a staunch monarchist and constitutional conservative, said he did not understand why the note could not incorporate all elements of Australia’s history. “A design incorporating both our new King and an appreciation for Australia’s Indigenous heritage and culture would be a better and more unifying approach,” he said in a statement.
like fuck why isn’t George III or Edward VIII on there, yeah like all Euro notes should include pictures of Hitler and oh wait maybe yousall mean they should be given space commensurate with their time, how about allocate space 50000 to 250 for first nations to colonised
Nice piece of formatting there.
I think money should do away with people altogether.
Create designs that change when a security update is required.
Tau.Neutrino said:
I think money should do away with people altogether.Create designs that change when a security update is required.
Or bring out new designs each year.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
I think money should do away with people altogether.Create designs that change when a security update is required.
Or bring out new designs each year.
be rather expensive. i have visited the mint in Melbourne. The engraver was doing the work on the black images on the $50 note. it hadn’t come into circulation at that time.
“There was no fifty-dollar note released as part of the initial rollout of decimal currency in 1966, but inflation necessitated its introduction seven years later in 1973.”
Wiki.
Peak Warming Man said:
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
:)
it’s a fair point about history we mean
“I think it is another attack on our systems, our society and institutions.” Liberal senator Dean Smith, who is a staunch monarchist and constitutional conservative, said he did not understand why the note could not incorporate all elements of Australia’s history. “A design incorporating both our new King and an appreciation for Australia’s Indigenous heritage and culture would be a better and more unifying approach,” he said in a statement.
like fuck why isn’t George III or Edward VIII on there, yeah like all Euro notes should include pictures of Hitler and oh wait maybe yousall mean they should be given space commensurate with their time, how about allocate space 50000 to 250 for first nations to colonised
Nice piece of formatting there.
Where, does it have some medieval-hangover-political-system-figurehead portrait on it¿
I think that we’ve found the inscription for Barnaby’s headstone:
captain_spalding said:
I think that we’ve found the inscription for Barnaby’s headstone:
:)
I see that Spud Dutton has firmly inserted his foot into his mouth:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-03/fact-check-checkmate-peter-dutton-alice-springs-crime/101922102
captain_spalding said:
I see that Spud Dutton has firmly inserted his foot into his mouth:
so in the spirit of modern Great American Democracy, this plunge into untruth with actually increase support for the Corruption Party and all is well
captain_spalding said:
I think that we’ve found the inscription for Barnaby’s headstone:
Love it.
so the supposedly correct thing was done in the wrong way but because it was done by corruption then different corruption should do the opposite
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-03/pep-11-albanese-labor-morrison-secret-ministries/101928108
SCIENCE said:
so the supposedly correct thing was done in the wrong way but because it was done by corruption then different corruption should do the opposite
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-03/pep-11-albanese-labor-morrison-secret-ministries/101928108
The honeymoon period might be over.
SCIENCE said:
it’s a fair point about history we mean
“I think it is another attack on our systems, our society and institutions.” Liberal senator Dean Smith, who is a staunch monarchist and constitutional conservative, said he did not understand why the note could not incorporate all elements of Australia’s history. “A design incorporating both our new King and an appreciation for Australia’s Indigenous heritage and culture would be a better and more unifying approach,” he said in a statement.
like fuck why isn’t George III or Edward VIII on there, yeah like all Euro notes should include pictures of Hitler and oh wait maybe yousall mean they should be given space commensurate with their time, how about allocate space 50000 to 250 for first nations to colonised
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-04/robodebt-royal-commission-evidence-public-sector-dysfunction/101928428
ABC News:
‘‘Restore integrity’: NSW Labor vows to legislate against pork-barrelling in allocation of grants’
Who knows? As well as legislating against it, they might even actually stop doing it.
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘‘Restore integrity’: NSW Labor vows to legislate against pork-barrelling in allocation of grants’
Who knows? As well as legislating against it, they might even actually stop doing it.
nah they’ll just call it fish tanking or something else, poultry caging
sarahs mum said:
Cut him some slack, no-one looks good first thing on a Monday morning.
are we going to look back and think that John Howard knew an awful lot pedophiles/pedophile enablers?
(just reading https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/feb/06/child-abuse-survivors-condemn-delay-in-case-that-could-defrock-peter-hollingworth)
sarahs mum said:
are we going to look back and think that John Howard knew an awful lot pedophiles/pedophile enablers?(just reading https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/feb/06/child-abuse-survivors-condemn-delay-in-case-that-could-defrock-peter-hollingworth)
He won’t recall anything about it.
angry old home owner doesn’t account for inflation
Senator Lidia Thorpe quits Greens over divisions on Voice to Parliament
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-06/lidia-thorpe-to-quit-greens-over-voice-disagreement/101935534
Senator Lidia Thorpe has quit the federal Greens after failing to find common ground with her party on a Voice to Parliament.
“This country has a strong grassroots black sovereign movement, full of staunch and committed warriors, and I want to represent that movement fully,” Senator Thorpe said.
“It has become clear to me that I can’t do that within the Greens.
“Now I will be able to speak freely on all issues from a sovereign perspective, without being constrained by portfolios and agreed party positions.”
Senator Thorpe has been a vocal opponent of the proposed Voice, and was one of the Indigenous representatives to walk out of talks that led to the Uluru Statement from the Heart.
Senator Thorpe announced her resignation on the first day of the parliamentary year, as the Greens prepare to declare their position on the Voice.
While she did not take questions from reporters, Senator Thorpe flagged she would still vote with the Greens on climate change.
dv said:
Senator Lidia Thorpe quits Greens over divisions on Voice to Parliamenthttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-06/lidia-thorpe-to-quit-greens-over-voice-disagreement/101935534
Senator Lidia Thorpe has quit the federal Greens after failing to find common ground with her party on a Voice to Parliament.
“This country has a strong grassroots black sovereign movement, full of staunch and committed warriors, and I want to represent that movement fully,” Senator Thorpe said.
“It has become clear to me that I can’t do that within the Greens.
“Now I will be able to speak freely on all issues from a sovereign perspective, without being constrained by portfolios and agreed party positions.”
Senator Thorpe has been a vocal opponent of the proposed Voice, and was one of the Indigenous representatives to walk out of talks that led to the Uluru Statement from the Heart.
Senator Thorpe announced her resignation on the first day of the parliamentary year, as the Greens prepare to declare their position on the Voice.
While she did not take questions from reporters, Senator Thorpe flagged she would still vote with the Greens on climate change.
The Greens have moved too far to the right for Lidia.
dv said:
Senator Lidia Thorpe quits Greens over divisions on Voice to Parliamenthttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-06/lidia-thorpe-to-quit-greens-over-voice-disagreement/101935534
Senator Lidia Thorpe has quit the federal Greens after failing to find common ground with her party on a Voice to Parliament.
“This country has a strong grassroots black sovereign movement, full of staunch and committed warriors, and I want to represent that movement fully,” Senator Thorpe said.
“It has become clear to me that I can’t do that within the Greens.
“Now I will be able to speak freely on all issues from a sovereign perspective, without being constrained by portfolios and agreed party positions.”
Senator Thorpe has been a vocal opponent of the proposed Voice, and was one of the Indigenous representatives to walk out of talks that led to the Uluru Statement from the Heart.
Senator Thorpe announced her resignation on the first day of the parliamentary year, as the Greens prepare to declare their position on the Voice.
While she did not take questions from reporters, Senator Thorpe flagged she would still vote with the Greens on climate change.
I bet the greens are glad they endorsed her for the election. It’s been a stunning success for them.
Samantha Whinger has served court papers to Prince Ginger and Meghan Whinger, calling on the couple to testify separately under oath in her defamation lawsuit against her half sister.
Campaign organisers sought permission from Boonwurrung Land and Sea Council to temporarily modify the town name for the launch. “The council confirms that the name change is not disrespectful to the traditional owners of the land in anyway shape or form nor is it being insensitive to the culture and heritage,” a Gut Health Month spokesperson said.
SCIENCE said:
Campaign organisers sought permission from Boonwurrung Land and Sea Council to temporarily modify the town name for the launch. “The council confirms that the name change is not disrespectful to the traditional owners of the land in anyway shape or form nor is it being insensitive to the culture and heritage,” a Gut Health Month spokesperson said.
OK, that’s been put to bed, what’s next on the agenda?
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:
Campaign organisers sought permission from Boonwurrung Land and Sea Council to temporarily modify the town name for the launch. “The council confirms that the name change is not disrespectful to the traditional owners of the land in anyway shape or form nor is it being insensitive to the culture and heritage,” a Gut Health Month spokesperson said.
OK, that’s been put to bed, what’s next on the agenda?
Ah, month. I read that as Gut Health Moth.
Bubblecar said:
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:
Campaign organisers sought permission from Boonwurrung Land and Sea Council to temporarily modify the town name for the launch. “The council confirms that the name change is not disrespectful to the traditional owners of the land in anyway shape or form nor is it being insensitive to the culture and heritage,” a Gut Health Month spokesperson said.
OK, that’s been put to bed, what’s next on the agenda?
Ah, month. I read that as Gut Health Moth.
I think they’re over-representing fruit there.
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:
captain_spalding said:OK, that’s been put to bed, what’s next on the agenda?
Ah, month. I read that as Gut Health Moth.
I think they’re over-representing fruit there.
What are those suckers in the bowl?
Peak Warming Man said:
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:Ah, month. I read that as Gut Health Moth.
I think they’re over-representing fruit there.
What are those suckers in the bowl?
No idea, but they look like they would stick to your tongue and be difficult to swallow.
sarahs mum said:
I hope so.
About a month ago I lost my job. At the time I looked at my bank account and calculated that if I pinched my money wherever I possibly could, I’d have about a month’s worth of money to live off. Call it the beginning of my ‘struggling artist’ era, but what happened the following month is the opposite of what you see in the movies or even the news.
I wasn’t naïve. I knew the system was going to be painful. But trust me, if you aren’t dealing with Centrelink, you don’t know how painful it really is.
The first sign of trouble was that when I went to apply online my attempts to prove my identity failed. I had provided my passport and my driver’s licence which the MyGov website said proved my identity, but wasn’t enough for Centrelink for some reason. It says you must provide your Medicare card, so I did, but it claimed my Medicare number wasn’t real and I was blocked from being able to start the application process.
Days, phone calls and a trip into the storefront later, they said I had a common glitch that required them to fully reset my account. A common issue that took days to fix, before I can even start the application process through their constantly crashing website.
more..
https://theshot.net.au/general-news/even-without-robodebt-centrelink-is-a-hellscape-of-cruelty
sarahs mum said:
…a trip into the storefront later, they said I had a common glitch that required them to fully reset my account. A common issue that took days to fix
I can guarantee that the people at the Centrelink counter hate it at least as much as the ‘customers’ do.
Having to deal with a steady stream of irate clients, who are irate not because of anything the counter staff did, but because someone who’ll never even see a Centrelink counter didn’t do their job properly.
I made an on-line, in-house complaint about such a thing with Centrelink once, and about how i’d got the brush-off from the IT people when i first enquired about it. . i got a phone call from some IT big-wig in SA, who asked if i could name the IT staff concerned.
‘Yes’, i said, ‘ I could give you all of their names. But i won’t. If you just remind ALL of them that we depend on them doing their jobs so we can do ours, that’d be great.’
‘Harumph’, and a hang up.
At least i knew where they got it from.
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:
…a trip into the storefront later, they said I had a common glitch that required them to fully reset my account. A common issue that took days to fixI can guarantee that the people at the Centrelink counter hate it at least as much as the ‘customers’ do.
Having to deal with a steady stream of irate clients, who are irate not because of anything the counter staff did, but because someone who’ll never even see a Centrelink counter didn’t do their job properly.
I made an on-line, in-house complaint about such a thing with Centrelink once, and about how i’d got the brush-off from the IT people when i first enquired about it. . i got a phone call from some IT big-wig in SA, who asked if i could name the IT staff concerned.
‘Yes’, i said, ‘ I could give you all of their names. But i won’t. If you just remind ALL of them that we depend on them doing their jobs so we can do ours, that’d be great.’
‘Harumph’, and a hang up.
At least i knew where they got it from.
They could fix it if they wanted to.
sarahs mum said:
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:
…a trip into the storefront later, they said I had a common glitch that required them to fully reset my account. A common issue that took days to fixI can guarantee that the people at the Centrelink counter hate it at least as much as the ‘customers’ do.
Having to deal with a steady stream of irate clients, who are irate not because of anything the counter staff did, but because someone who’ll never even see a Centrelink counter didn’t do their job properly.
I made an on-line, in-house complaint about such a thing with Centrelink once, and about how i’d got the brush-off from the IT people when i first enquired about it. . i got a phone call from some IT big-wig in SA, who asked if i could name the IT staff concerned.
‘Yes’, i said, ‘ I could give you all of their names. But i won’t. If you just remind ALL of them that we depend on them doing their jobs so we can do ours, that’d be great.’
‘Harumph’, and a hang up.
At least i knew where they got it from.
They could fix it if they wanted to.
Indeed they could fix it if they wanted to, quite easily!
sarahs mum said:
They could fix it if they wanted to.
The people at the counter can’t. If they could, they would, in a flash.
The people farther up the line…who knows what they do with their time. Probably not a lot of time to fix things, what with the endless round of ‘meetings’.
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:They could fix it if they wanted to.
The people at the counter can’t. If they could, they would, in a flash.
The people farther up the line…who knows what they do with their time. Probably not a lot of time to fix things, what with the endless round of ‘meetings’.
The front line workers in government are the essential ones, if we all went on strike public service would grind to a halt.
Managers aren’t essential to the running of these services at all, everyone knows their job (or should)
but your payments get back dated to when you get that form happening? and if you can’t get it happening it is a money saver?
sarahs mum said:
About a month ago I lost my job. At the time I looked at my bank account and calculated that if I pinched my money wherever I possibly could, I’d have about a month’s worth of money to live off. Call it the beginning of my ‘struggling artist’ era, but what happened the following month is the opposite of what you see in the movies or even the news.I wasn’t naïve. I knew the system was going to be painful. But trust me, if you aren’t dealing with Centrelink, you don’t know how painful it really is.
The first sign of trouble was that when I went to apply online my attempts to prove my identity failed. I had provided my passport and my driver’s licence which the MyGov website said proved my identity, but wasn’t enough for Centrelink for some reason. It says you must provide your Medicare card, so I did, but it claimed my Medicare number wasn’t real and I was blocked from being able to start the application process.
Days, phone calls and a trip into the storefront later, they said I had a common glitch that required them to fully reset my account. A common issue that took days to fix, before I can even start the application process through their constantly crashing website.
more..
https://theshot.net.au/general-news/even-without-robodebt-centrelink-is-a-hellscape-of-cruelty
It’s like that. Awful. Months ago, we applied for a seniors Healthcare Card for Mrs V. It still hasn’t happened and I don’t know what to do next.
Cymek said:
The front line workers in government are the essential ones, if we all went on strike public service would grind to a halt.
Managers aren’t essential to the running of these services at all, everyone knows their job (or should)
In the 1970s and 1980s, motor registries in Sydney got held up at least as often as banks (lots and lots of cash over the counter in those days) but it was largely kept out of the media.
After a particularly traumatic hold-up in one registry (needing a psychologist to coax one young lady out from under her desk), most of the staff were too upset to work.
‘Management’ saw this as a golden opportunity to demonstrate their capability, and a lot of senior and middle managers from head office were drafted in to show that they could work the levers.
Only they couldn’t. Even those who’d worked ‘on the front line’ were so out of date that no-one knew how anything worked any more, or what procedures were in play.
After a truly disastrous morning, they called in a friend of mine, who was an experienced section manager in a registry, and she ended up as de-facto boss of the place, telling directors and senior managers how to do the basic functions of the office.
captain_spalding said:
Cymek said:The front line workers in government are the essential ones, if we all went on strike public service would grind to a halt.
Managers aren’t essential to the running of these services at all, everyone knows their job (or should)
In the 1970s and 1980s, motor registries in Sydney got held up at least as often as banks (lots and lots of cash over the counter in those days) but it was largely kept out of the media.
After a particularly traumatic hold-up in one registry (needing a psychologist to coax one young lady out from under her desk), most of the staff were too upset to work.
‘Management’ saw this as a golden opportunity to demonstrate their capability, and a lot of senior and middle managers from head office were drafted in to show that they could work the levers.
Only they couldn’t. Even those who’d worked ‘on the front line’ were so out of date that no-one knew how anything worked any more, or what procedures were in play.
After a truly disastrous morning, they called in a friend of mine, who was an experienced section manager in a registry, and she ended up as de-facto boss of the place, telling directors and senior managers how to do the basic functions of the office.
Still pretty much the same.
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:
About a month ago I lost my job. At the time I looked at my bank account and calculated that if I pinched my money wherever I possibly could, I’d have about a month’s worth of money to live off. Call it the beginning of my ‘struggling artist’ era, but what happened the following month is the opposite of what you see in the movies or even the news.I wasn’t naïve. I knew the system was going to be painful. But trust me, if you aren’t dealing with Centrelink, you don’t know how painful it really is.
The first sign of trouble was that when I went to apply online my attempts to prove my identity failed. I had provided my passport and my driver’s licence which the MyGov website said proved my identity, but wasn’t enough for Centrelink for some reason. It says you must provide your Medicare card, so I did, but it claimed my Medicare number wasn’t real and I was blocked from being able to start the application process.
Days, phone calls and a trip into the storefront later, they said I had a common glitch that required them to fully reset my account. A common issue that took days to fix, before I can even start the application process through their constantly crashing website.
more..
https://theshot.net.au/general-news/even-without-robodebt-centrelink-is-a-hellscape-of-cruelty
It’s like that. Awful. Months ago, we applied for a seniors Healthcare Card for Mrs V. It still hasn’t happened and I don’t know what to do next.
Ring or email your local member, that’s what they are there for.
A lot of managers exist only to cause problems.
Ostensibly, managers exist to solve problems, but what would happen if all problems were provided with solutions?
So, managers need a steady supply of problems to continue their own existence.
Thus, any solution to a problem should contain within it the seeds of the next problem. If you can change things so that, somewhere along the line, a new inefficiency is created, or someone is put at a disadvantage or done an injustice, then it’s a win.
Cymek said:
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:They could fix it if they wanted to.
The people at the counter can’t. If they could, they would, in a flash.
The people farther up the line…who knows what they do with their time. Probably not a lot of time to fix things, what with the endless round of ‘meetings’.
The front line workers in government are the essential ones, if we all went on strike public service would grind to a halt.
Managers aren’t essential to the running of these services at all, everyone knows their job (or should)
***noda*** ***nods***
sarahs mum said:
but your payments get back dated to when you get that form happening? and if you can’t get it happening it is a money saver?
I have often wondered that. It’s a bron (sad) thought, but that does play into the calculations!
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:
About a month ago I lost my job. At the time I looked at my bank account and calculated that if I pinched my money wherever I possibly could, I’d have about a month’s worth of money to live off. Call it the beginning of my ‘struggling artist’ era, but what happened the following month is the opposite of what you see in the movies or even the news.I wasn’t naïve. I knew the system was going to be painful. But trust me, if you aren’t dealing with Centrelink, you don’t know how painful it really is.
The first sign of trouble was that when I went to apply online my attempts to prove my identity failed. I had provided my passport and my driver’s licence which the MyGov website said proved my identity, but wasn’t enough for Centrelink for some reason. It says you must provide your Medicare card, so I did, but it claimed my Medicare number wasn’t real and I was blocked from being able to start the application process.
Days, phone calls and a trip into the storefront later, they said I had a common glitch that required them to fully reset my account. A common issue that took days to fix, before I can even start the application process through their constantly crashing website.
more..
https://theshot.net.au/general-news/even-without-robodebt-centrelink-is-a-hellscape-of-cruelty
It’s like that. Awful. Months ago, we applied for a seniors Healthcare Card for Mrs V. It still hasn’t happened and I don’t know what to do next.
We actually paid a person at our accountants office who does that stuff to fill in the forms. Mr buffy then took the forms and all the stuff required (the accountant fellow told him what was needed) and had an interview at Centrelink. It all went very smoothly.
Peak Warming Man said:
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:
About a month ago I lost my job. At the time I looked at my bank account and calculated that if I pinched my money wherever I possibly could, I’d have about a month’s worth of money to live off. Call it the beginning of my ‘struggling artist’ era, but what happened the following month is the opposite of what you see in the movies or even the news.I wasn’t naïve. I knew the system was going to be painful. But trust me, if you aren’t dealing with Centrelink, you don’t know how painful it really is.
The first sign of trouble was that when I went to apply online my attempts to prove my identity failed. I had provided my passport and my driver’s licence which the MyGov website said proved my identity, but wasn’t enough for Centrelink for some reason. It says you must provide your Medicare card, so I did, but it claimed my Medicare number wasn’t real and I was blocked from being able to start the application process.
Days, phone calls and a trip into the storefront later, they said I had a common glitch that required them to fully reset my account. A common issue that took days to fix, before I can even start the application process through their constantly crashing website.
more..
https://theshot.net.au/general-news/even-without-robodebt-centrelink-is-a-hellscape-of-cruelty
It’s like that. Awful. Months ago, we applied for a seniors Healthcare Card for Mrs V. It still hasn’t happened and I don’t know what to do next.
Ring or email your local member, that’s what they are there for.
Better still…arrange an appointment with your local member. You can be fobbed off on the phone and emails can go “astray”.
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:
About a month ago I lost my job. At the time I looked at my bank account and calculated that if I pinched my money wherever I possibly could, I’d have about a month’s worth of money to live off. Call it the beginning of my ‘struggling artist’ era, but what happened the following month is the opposite of what you see in the movies or even the news.I wasn’t naïve. I knew the system was going to be painful. But trust me, if you aren’t dealing with Centrelink, you don’t know how painful it really is.
The first sign of trouble was that when I went to apply online my attempts to prove my identity failed. I had provided my passport and my driver’s licence which the MyGov website said proved my identity, but wasn’t enough for Centrelink for some reason. It says you must provide your Medicare card, so I did, but it claimed my Medicare number wasn’t real and I was blocked from being able to start the application process.
Days, phone calls and a trip into the storefront later, they said I had a common glitch that required them to fully reset my account. A common issue that took days to fix, before I can even start the application process through their constantly crashing website.
more..
https://theshot.net.au/general-news/even-without-robodebt-centrelink-is-a-hellscape-of-cruelty
It’s like that. Awful. Months ago, we applied for a seniors Healthcare Card for Mrs V. It still hasn’t happened and I don’t know what to do next.
1. Ringing up your local member is always a good go to,
2. Write a letter to your local member thanking them for speaking to you on the phone and for their suggestions. I know it sounds weird but hand written letters used to always be put on top of the pile.
2. then there’s the complaints process. Ask for the form and fill it out. You can probably download it from their website (if it works)
3. Send them a registered letter that they have to sign for outlining the situation and putting a copy of your complaints letter in. Specifically request a written answer. I would like to receive a letter from you outlining what my options are
4. Ring you local member again to let them know how it is going.
5. Send a letter of Centrelink’s letter to your local member when you get it and it is unhelpful.
Come back to me if you need further suggestions later on.
I did this for a few people without the capacity to read and write. Even though that was on their files that someone has to ring and speak to them directly they still kept getting letters.
See it like a puzzle, except 54% of the pieces aren’t visible.
Write drafts of your letters and share it with friends that can perhaps add a phrase here and there.
Cymek said:
captain_spalding said:
Cymek said:The front line workers in government are the essential ones, if we all went on strike public service would grind to a halt.
Managers aren’t essential to the running of these services at all, everyone knows their job (or should)
In the 1970s and 1980s, motor registries in Sydney got held up at least as often as banks (lots and lots of cash over the counter in those days) but it was largely kept out of the media.
After a particularly traumatic hold-up in one registry (needing a psychologist to coax one young lady out from under her desk), most of the staff were too upset to work.
‘Management’ saw this as a golden opportunity to demonstrate their capability, and a lot of senior and middle managers from head office were drafted in to show that they could work the levers.
Only they couldn’t. Even those who’d worked ‘on the front line’ were so out of date that no-one knew how anything worked any more, or what procedures were in play.
After a truly disastrous morning, they called in a friend of mine, who was an experienced section manager in a registry, and she ended up as de-facto boss of the place, telling directors and senior managers how to do the basic functions of the office.
Still pretty much the same.
:(
buffy said:
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:
About a month ago I lost my job. At the time I looked at my bank account and calculated that if I pinched my money wherever I possibly could, I’d have about a month’s worth of money to live off. Call it the beginning of my ‘struggling artist’ era, but what happened the following month is the opposite of what you see in the movies or even the news.I wasn’t naïve. I knew the system was going to be painful. But trust me, if you aren’t dealing with Centrelink, you don’t know how painful it really is.
The first sign of trouble was that when I went to apply online my attempts to prove my identity failed. I had provided my passport and my driver’s licence which the MyGov website said proved my identity, but wasn’t enough for Centrelink for some reason. It says you must provide your Medicare card, so I did, but it claimed my Medicare number wasn’t real and I was blocked from being able to start the application process.
Days, phone calls and a trip into the storefront later, they said I had a common glitch that required them to fully reset my account. A common issue that took days to fix, before I can even start the application process through their constantly crashing website.
more..
https://theshot.net.au/general-news/even-without-robodebt-centrelink-is-a-hellscape-of-cruelty
It’s like that. Awful. Months ago, we applied for a seniors Healthcare Card for Mrs V. It still hasn’t happened and I don’t know what to do next.
We actually paid a person at our accountants office who does that stuff to fill in the forms. Mr buffy then took the forms and all the stuff required (the accountant fellow told him what was needed) and had an interview at Centrelink. It all went very smoothly.
There needs to be people like this all over Australia!
You are also so clever buffy with sniffing things like this out!
buffy said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Michael V said:It’s like that. Awful. Months ago, we applied for a seniors Healthcare Card for Mrs V. It still hasn’t happened and I don’t know what to do next.
Ring or email your local member, that’s what they are there for.
Better still…arrange an appointment with your local member. You can be fobbed off on the phone and emails can go “astray”.
Cancel what I said and follow buffy’s suggestion.
Dropping in can be good. But I always suggest a follow up letter.
ms spock said:
Cymek said:
captain_spalding said:In the 1970s and 1980s, motor registries in Sydney got held up at least as often as banks (lots and lots of cash over the counter in those days) but it was largely kept out of the media.
After a particularly traumatic hold-up in one registry (needing a psychologist to coax one young lady out from under her desk), most of the staff were too upset to work.
‘Management’ saw this as a golden opportunity to demonstrate their capability, and a lot of senior and middle managers from head office were drafted in to show that they could work the levers.
Only they couldn’t. Even those who’d worked ‘on the front line’ were so out of date that no-one knew how anything worked any more, or what procedures were in play.
After a truly disastrous morning, they called in a friend of mine, who was an experienced section manager in a registry, and she ended up as de-facto boss of the place, telling directors and senior managers how to do the basic functions of the office.
Still pretty much the same.
:(
The work isn’t hard but its made to look easy as the people doing it have done thousands of them.
My job for example I can do it on automatic pilot as I’ve processed many thousands of them, if not tens of thousands.
never had much of a problem with centrelink. couple of glitches that were solved by emailing Hank. No probs with the my gov website except for usual website problems. I never expect things to be perfect and work for me every time.
captain_spalding said:
A lot of managers exist only to cause problems.Ostensibly, managers exist to solve problems, but what would happen if all problems were provided with solutions?
So, managers need a steady supply of problems to continue their own existence.
Thus, any solution to a problem should contain within it the seeds of the next problem. If you can change things so that, somewhere along the line, a new inefficiency is created, or someone is put at a disadvantage or done an injustice, then it’s a win.
The Director of Training at our institute is a shocker. There is nothing she can’t make worse, even when you think she couldn’t do anything more. I am writing a scathing resignation letter to her now. She puts other professional in danger because of how incompetent, grossly negligent and without a finger on any pulse, if she actually has a pulse. Like a dummy sitting at her desk would improve safety outcomes by a huge margin just because it wouldn’t put people’s lives in danger.
Cymek said:
ms spock said:
Cymek said:Still pretty much the same.
:(
The work isn’t hard but its made to look easy as the people doing it have done thousands of them.
My job for example I can do it on automatic pilot as I’ve processed many thousands of them, if not tens of thousands.
You have a highly nuanced and detailed understanding of the process through repetition and the application of that smart noggin of yours Cymek. Highly skilled people make complex operations look effortless.
Just a FYI noggin in Irish is “nógán”
JudgeMental said:
never had much of a problem with centrelink. couple of glitches that were solved by emailing Hank. No probs with the my gov website except for usual website problems. I never expect things to be perfect and work for me every time.
You are very fortunate JudgeMental. I wish everyone had your experience.
I have advocated for people and sat with them for the three hours that it took for their call to be answered.
If you have cognitive issues, if you have no access to the Internet, if you have anxiety and depression, if you are unable to read and write it is very difficult to manage. If you have a genetic disorder like Downs Sydrome but no money to go to the specialist that yes the genetic disorder you were born with you still have today. You can get cut off your payments so easily.
I had one woman who had multiple accounts set up by a new worker but it took months to work out.
If you have filled out 14 pages and the site wigs out on your client as they are submitting it and they have to start again. It can be demoralising.
One year their average phone wait was three hours.
Peak Warming Man said:
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:
About a month ago I lost my job. At the time I looked at my bank account and calculated that if I pinched my money wherever I possibly could, I’d have about a month’s worth of money to live off. Call it the beginning of my ‘struggling artist’ era, but what happened the following month is the opposite of what you see in the movies or even the news.I wasn’t naïve. I knew the system was going to be painful. But trust me, if you aren’t dealing with Centrelink, you don’t know how painful it really is.
The first sign of trouble was that when I went to apply online my attempts to prove my identity failed. I had provided my passport and my driver’s licence which the MyGov website said proved my identity, but wasn’t enough for Centrelink for some reason. It says you must provide your Medicare card, so I did, but it claimed my Medicare number wasn’t real and I was blocked from being able to start the application process.
Days, phone calls and a trip into the storefront later, they said I had a common glitch that required them to fully reset my account. A common issue that took days to fix, before I can even start the application process through their constantly crashing website.
more..
https://theshot.net.au/general-news/even-without-robodebt-centrelink-is-a-hellscape-of-cruelty
It’s like that. Awful. Months ago, we applied for a seniors Healthcare Card for Mrs V. It still hasn’t happened and I don’t know what to do next.
Ring or email your local member, that’s what they are there for.
Ta.
hax
An audit has uncovered more than 900 units of surveillance equipment built by companies linked to the Chinese government within Commonwealth government buildings. The government has been urged to rip out cameras and security gear made by Hikvision and Dahua in the wake of them being banned in the United States and United Kingdom due to fears they may contain spyware.
No Followers Here
“We act in accordance with Australia’s national interest,” he said.
good, next can we please intern all the other CHINA linked units, like the Homo sapiens instances with genetic links to CHINA, get them out of government buildings too
speaking of unemployment
not to worry they’ll have some sweet comfortable deal lined up in the lobby somewhere
what is this “hopes” crap
we thought the sanctions were hurting them CHINA more than it was hurting us Australia, we should support more sanctimonious sorry we mean sangria
https://www.theshovel.com.au/2023/02/01/peter-dutton-to-start-using-chatgpt-to-bring-more-human-touch-to-speeches/
JudgeMental said:
https://www.theshovel.com.au/2023/02/01/peter-dutton-to-start-using-chatgpt-to-bring-more-human-touch-to-speeches/
Just using a Speak-and-Spell would be an improvement.
JudgeMental said:
https://www.theshovel.com.au/2023/02/01/peter-dutton-to-start-using-chatgpt-to-bring-more-human-touch-to-speeches/
:)
Communications Minister Michelle Rowland urged to quit over reportedly accepting Sportsbet donations
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-09/michelle-rowland-called-to-quit-over-sportsbet-donations/101951890
Jaysus. that’s a good look.
sibeen said:
Communications Minister Michelle Rowland urged to quit over reportedly accepting Sportsbet donationshttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-09/michelle-rowland-called-to-quit-over-sportsbet-donations/101951890
Jaysus. that’s a good look.
Michelle Rowland “I like Sportsbet, who wouldn’t like an betting app were you can take a dump and bet on a match at the same time”
sorry, Your ABC bias seems to be showing
Disappointingly, however, the ABC understands Frydenberg is not yet ready to leave his family or his private sector career, known in the trade as “doing less with more.”
Australia and New Zealand best placed to survive nuclear apocalypse, study finds
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/feb/09/australia-and-new-zealand-best-placed-to-survive-nuclear-apocalypse-study-finds
Finally, some good news.
sibeen said:
Australia and New Zealand best placed to survive nuclear apocalypse, study finds
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/feb/09/australia-and-new-zealand-best-placed-to-survive-nuclear-apocalypse-study-finds
Finally, some good news.
so John Wyndham was correct
maybe, maybe not, but we didn’t know who he was so
Bruce Lehrmann says he was clearly identifiable in initial Brittany Higgins interviews, defamation documents reveal
maybe that’s the guilty conscience outing the dammed spot
SCIENCE said:
maybe, maybe not, but we didn’t know who he was so
Bruce Lehrmann says he was clearly identifiable in initial Brittany Higgins interviews, defamation documents reveal
maybe that’s the guilty conscience outing the dammed spot
I hope this doesn’t drag on forever.
Sounds like Bruce Lehrmann is going after defamation.
Liberal Senator Linda Reynolds is pursuing defamation action against Brittany Higgins’ fiance David Sharaz.
Tau.Neutrino said:
SCIENCE said:maybe, maybe not, but we didn’t know who he was so
Bruce Lehrmann says he was clearly identifiable in initial Brittany Higgins interviews, defamation documents reveal
maybe that’s the guilty conscience outing the dammed spot
I hope this doesn’t drag on forever.
Sounds like Bruce Lehrmann is going after defamation.
Liberal Senator Linda Reynolds is pursuing defamation action against Brittany Higgins’ fiance David Sharaz.
Shit fight started in Linda’s office continues to sprawl out into public space.
Alan Tudge has left the building.
Thorpe defects over black sovereign movement.
Palmers coal mine blocked.
sarahs mum said:
¿ what’s wrong with having the dedication to locate missing persons, the responsibility to ensure that people contribute to The Economy Must Grow, and the compassion to provide them stable and secure accommodation ?
sarahs mum said:
An utter bastard.
SCIENCE said:
hax
An audit has uncovered more than 900 units of surveillance equipment built by companies linked to the Chinese government within Commonwealth government buildings. The government has been urged to rip out cameras and security gear made by Hikvision and Dahua in the wake of them being banned in the United States and United Kingdom due to fears they may contain spyware.
No Followers Here
“We act in accordance with Australia’s national interest,” he said.
good, next can we please intern all the other CHINA linked units, like the Homo sapiens instances with genetic links to CHINA, get them out of government buildings too
see, what did we tell you
In February 2022, the DOJ announced it would axe the controversial program, replacing it with new measures that would target not just China but also countries of concern. However, the chilling effect of the program had already spread through the Chinese American scientist community. A recent report launched by Asian American Scholar Forum showed that in 2021, at least 1,400 US-trained Chinese scientists had switched their affiliation from American institutions to Chinese ones.
In 2018, the Trump administration launched the controversial China Initiative, which sought to protect US laboratories and businesses from economic espionage Since its launch, the DOJ investigated around 150 scientists over their links with China. Two dozen of them were later charged. The DOJ wins almost every case it brings. But when it came to the China Initiative, many of the cases of alleged spying or economic espionage were dropped before going to trial.
lies, those dirty ASIANS aren’t innocent, they’re just better at hiding their subterfuge and sedition under the dirt
oh wait the article is written 
an ASIAN name obviously they’re propagandising running major disinformation
SCIENCE said:
sorry, Your ABC bias seems to be showing
Disappointingly, however, the ABC understands Frydenberg is not yet ready to leave his family or his private sector career, known in the trade as “doing less with more.”
surprise
that’s right, this
fella right here, with
“It’s ridiculous. It’s unbelievable really,” his mother said. She said her husband had been conscripted into the Australian Army during the Vietnam War, and that two of Matthew’s grandparents had served in World War II and sustained lifelong injuries. “My father was a Rat of Tobruk. Chris’s mum was a nurse in the army,” she said.
some serious first-nations history mentioned right there, couldn’t possibly be more Australia, no
“I don’t think we could be more Australian.”
no worries
“The Albanese government has been handed a defeat with the Greens, coalition and crossbench senators voting down new superannuation fund rules.
The rules would have allowed donations to unions to be hidden, despite a raft of other information being released to improve the transparency of superannuation funds.
A motion moved by independent senator Jacqui Lambie was passed 42 to 21.
Senator Lambie said she was baffled why a party that campaigned on transparency had decided to hide donations and payments.
“One super fund spent $3 million of your money on getting their logo onto a footy,” she said.”
Peak Warming Man said:
“The Albanese government has been handed a defeat with the Greens, coalition and crossbench senators voting down new superannuation fund rules.
The rules would have allowed donations to unions to be hidden, despite a raft of other information being released to improve the transparency of superannuation funds.
A motion moved by independent senator Jacqui Lambie was passed 42 to 21.
Senator Lambie said she was baffled why a party that campaigned on transparency had decided to hide donations and payments.
“One super fund spent $3 million of your money on getting their logo onto a footy,” she said.”
The rules would have allowed donations to unions to be hidden.
I wonder whose idea that was.
Who ever cam up with that idea is an arsehole.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Peak Warming Man said:
“The Albanese government has been handed a defeat with the Greens, coalition and crossbench senators voting down new superannuation fund rules.
The rules would have allowed donations to unions to be hidden, despite a raft of other information being released to improve the transparency of superannuation funds.
A motion moved by independent senator Jacqui Lambie was passed 42 to 21.
Senator Lambie said she was baffled why a party that campaigned on transparency had decided to hide donations and payments.
“One super fund spent $3 million of your money on getting their logo onto a footy,” she said.”
The rules would have allowed donations to unions to be hidden.
I wonder whose idea that was.
Who ever cam up with that idea is an arsehole.
They would have known that “that bit” would have failed passing.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Peak Warming Man said:
“The Albanese government has been handed a defeat with the Greens, coalition and crossbench senators voting down new superannuation fund rules.
The rules would have allowed donations to unions to be hidden, despite a raft of other information being released to improve the transparency of superannuation funds.
A motion moved by independent senator Jacqui Lambie was passed 42 to 21.
Senator Lambie said she was baffled why a party that campaigned on transparency had decided to hide donations and payments.
“One super fund spent $3 million of your money on getting their logo onto a footy,” she said.”
The rules would have allowed donations to unions to be hidden.
I wonder whose idea that was.
Who ever cam up with that idea is an arsehole.
You do get to chose which arseholes though.
>Gina Rinehart’s company, Hancock Prospecting Pty Ltd, was behind a $150,000 payment to the Liberal Party, transferred via a third party, and not declared by the mining giant by the November 17, 2022 deadline.
Key points:
An ABC investigation has uncovered a series of payments, which a leading barrister and anti-corruption expert believes is a “scheme” to bypass political donation laws.
more..
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-10/hancock-prospecing-to-liberal-party-sydney-mining-club/101915486
darwinian
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Peak Warming Man said:
“The Albanese government has been handed a defeat with the Greens, coalition and crossbench senators voting down new superannuation fund rules.
The rules would have allowed donations to unions to be hidden, despite a raft of other information being released to improve the transparency of superannuation funds.
A motion moved by independent senator Jacqui Lambie was passed 42 to 21.
Senator Lambie said she was baffled why a party that campaigned on transparency had decided to hide donations and payments.
“One super fund spent $3 million of your money on getting their logo onto a footy,” she said.”
The rules would have allowed donations to unions to be hidden.
I wonder whose idea that was.
Who ever cam up with that idea is an arsehole.
They would have known that “that bit” would have failed passing.
Now they can negotiate to drop that part of the new rules, the Greens and cross-bench have scored a headline and can chalk up a ‘win’, and they might be more amenable to passing the rest of the rules after the sacrificial distraction is removed.
sarahs mum said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Peak Warming Man said:
“The Albanese government has been handed a defeat with the Greens, coalition and crossbench senators voting down new superannuation fund rules.
The rules would have allowed donations to unions to be hidden, despite a raft of other information being released to improve the transparency of superannuation funds.
A motion moved by independent senator Jacqui Lambie was passed 42 to 21.
Senator Lambie said she was baffled why a party that campaigned on transparency had decided to hide donations and payments.
“One super fund spent $3 million of your money on getting their logo onto a footy,” she said.”
The rules would have allowed donations to unions to be hidden.
I wonder whose idea that was.
Who ever cam up with that idea is an arsehole.
You do get to chose which arseholes though.
>Gina Rinehart’s company, Hancock Prospecting Pty Ltd, was behind a $150,000 payment to the Liberal Party, transferred via a third party, and not declared by the mining giant by the November 17, 2022 deadline.
Payments from Hancock Prospecting to the Sydney Mining Club have been largely passed on to the Liberals over two years Emails show there were plans to continue the arrangement for two more years Experts have called for reform to Australia’s federal electoral laws to increase transparency
Key points:An ABC investigation has uncovered a series of payments, which a leading barrister and anti-corruption expert believes is a “scheme” to bypass political donation laws.
more..
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-10/hancock-prospecing-to-liberal-party-sydney-mining-club/101915486
They need to bring in new laws that require all donations to be declared and if it isn’t declared on time than that amount of undeclared donation becomes a fine.
Tau.Neutrino said:
They need to bring in new laws that require all donations to be declared and if it isn’t declared on time than that amount of undeclared donation becomes a fine.
Andrew Wilkie keeps trying to get exactly that, but it gets knocked back by both sides of the House:
‘Mr Wilkie’s Commonwealth Electoral Amendment (Cleaning up Political Donations) Bill 2022 requires real-time disclosure, lowers the donation disclosure threshold to $1,000 aggregated, implements caps on donations and electoral expenditure, expands the definition of gift, and prohibits political donations from particular industries, including fossil-fuel entities, gambling companies, liquor companies, and the tobacco industry.’
https://andrewwilkie.org/2022/02/andrew-introduces-political-donations-reform-bill/
captain_spalding said:
Tau.Neutrino said:They need to bring in new laws that require all donations to be declared and if it isn’t declared on time than that amount of undeclared donation becomes a fine.
Andrew Wilkie keeps trying to get exactly that, but it gets knocked back by both sides of the House:
‘Mr Wilkie’s Commonwealth Electoral Amendment (Cleaning up Political Donations) Bill 2022 requires real-time disclosure, lowers the donation disclosure threshold to $1,000 aggregated, implements caps on donations and electoral expenditure, expands the definition of gift, and prohibits political donations from particular industries, including fossil-fuel entities, gambling companies, liquor companies, and the tobacco industry.’
https://andrewwilkie.org/2022/02/andrew-introduces-political-donations-reform-bill/
Transparency and hidden donations is hypocrisy
Hidden donations allows corruption.
captain_spalding said:
Tau.Neutrino said:They need to bring in new laws that require all donations to be declared and if it isn’t declared on time than that amount of undeclared donation becomes a fine.
Andrew Wilkie keeps trying to get exactly that, but it gets knocked back by both sides of the House:
‘Mr Wilkie’s Commonwealth Electoral Amendment (Cleaning up Political Donations) Bill 2022 requires real-time disclosure, lowers the donation disclosure threshold to $1,000 aggregated, implements caps on donations and electoral expenditure, expands the definition of gift, and prohibits political donations from particular industries, including fossil-fuel entities, gambling companies, liquor companies, and the tobacco industry.’
https://andrewwilkie.org/2022/02/andrew-introduces-political-donations-reform-bill/
shakes fist at Bastards who own a service station franchise that sells durries who likes the odd wine with a meal and who has a punt now and then.
Utter evil bastard.
Tau.Neutrino said:
captain_spalding said:
Tau.Neutrino said:They need to bring in new laws that require all donations to be declared and if it isn’t declared on time than that amount of undeclared donation becomes a fine.
Andrew Wilkie keeps trying to get exactly that, but it gets knocked back by both sides of the House:
‘Mr Wilkie’s Commonwealth Electoral Amendment (Cleaning up Political Donations) Bill 2022 requires real-time disclosure, lowers the donation disclosure threshold to $1,000 aggregated, implements caps on donations and electoral expenditure, expands the definition of gift, and prohibits political donations from particular industries, including fossil-fuel entities, gambling companies, liquor companies, and the tobacco industry.’
https://andrewwilkie.org/2022/02/andrew-introduces-political-donations-reform-bill/
Transparency and hidden donations is hypocrisy
Hidden donations allows corruption.
So it appears both sides of the house want corruption to stay in place.
sorry we missed some of this even if not all of this
SCIENCE said:
sorry we missed some of this even if not all of this
My younger brother was trying to tell me the other day that Hitler was a good person.
He said Hitler is a good person.
I wasn’t sure where he was going with it so I said ok.
Right, so a mass murderer, war criminal and dictator is a good person.
He is also unvaccinated and believes boxes on government documents means that it is not part of that document.
and this
He also believes that his name is all caps is not his real name.
There’s a song called.
That’s not my name.
captain_spalding said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:The rules would have allowed donations to unions to be hidden.
I wonder whose idea that was.
Who ever cam up with that idea is an arsehole.
They would have known that “that bit” would have failed passing.
Now they can negotiate to drop that part of the new rules, the Greens and cross-bench have scored a headline and can chalk up a ‘win’, and they might be more amenable to passing the rest of the rules after the sacrificial distraction is removed.
Cynic!
buffy said:
captain_spalding said:
Tau.Neutrino said:They would have known that “that bit” would have failed passing.
Now they can negotiate to drop that part of the new rules, the Greens and cross-bench have scored a headline and can chalk up a ‘win’, and they might be more amenable to passing the rest of the rules after the sacrificial distraction is removed.
Cynic!
I have been chastised for that very failing, including occasions in the recent past.
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:
captain_spalding said:Now they can negotiate to drop that part of the new rules, the Greens and cross-bench have scored a headline and can chalk up a ‘win’, and they might be more amenable to passing the rest of the rules after the sacrificial distraction is removed.
Cynic!
I have been chastised for that very failing, including occasions in the recent past.
I think the old fashioned term might be an “ambit claim”. Not always recognized as such.
captain_spalding said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:The rules would have allowed donations to unions to be hidden.
I wonder whose idea that was.
Who ever cam up with that idea is an arsehole.
They would have known that “that bit” would have failed passing.
Now they can negotiate to drop that part of the new rules, the Greens and cross-bench have scored a headline and can chalk up a ‘win’, and they might be more amenable to passing the rest of the rules after the sacrificial distraction is removed.
Thinking just like a politician. Also, they likely promised stuff to the unions, and can get out of it, saving face.
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
Tau.Neutrino said:They would have known that “that bit” would have failed passing.
Now they can negotiate to drop that part of the new rules, the Greens and cross-bench have scored a headline and can chalk up a ‘win’, and they might be more amenable to passing the rest of the rules after the sacrificial distraction is removed.
Thinking just like a politician. Also, they likely promised stuff to the unions, and can get out of it, saving face.
When can we have a clean Government ?
captain_spalding said:
Tau.Neutrino said:They need to bring in new laws that require all donations to be declared and if it isn’t declared on time than that amount of undeclared donation becomes a fine.
Andrew Wilkie keeps trying to get exactly that, but it gets knocked back by both sides of the House:
‘Mr Wilkie’s Commonwealth Electoral Amendment (Cleaning up Political Donations) Bill 2022 requires real-time disclosure, lowers the donation disclosure threshold to $1,000 aggregated, implements caps on donations and electoral expenditure, expands the definition of gift, and prohibits political donations from particular industries, including fossil-fuel entities, gambling companies, liquor companies, and the tobacco industry.’
https://andrewwilkie.org/2022/02/andrew-introduces-political-donations-reform-bill/
One of the really good guys.
Tau.Neutrino said:
SCIENCE said:sorry we missed some of this even if not all of this
My younger brother was trying to tell me the other day that Hitler was a good person.
He said Hitler is a good person.
I wasn’t sure where he was going with it so I said ok.
Right, so a mass murderer, war criminal and dictator is a good person.
He is also unvaccinated and believes boxes on government documents means that it is not part of that document.
and this
He also believes that his name is all caps is not his real name.
Gee. One of them in the family.
:(
Tau.Neutrino said:
sarahs mum said:
Tau.Neutrino said:The rules would have allowed donations to unions to be hidden.
I wonder whose idea that was.
Who ever cam up with that idea is an arsehole.
You do get to chose which arseholes though.
>Gina Rinehart’s company, Hancock Prospecting Pty Ltd, was behind a $150,000 payment to the Liberal Party, transferred via a third party, and not declared by the mining giant by the November 17, 2022 deadline.
Payments from Hancock Prospecting to the Sydney Mining Club have been largely passed on to the Liberals over two years Emails show there were plans to continue the arrangement for two more years Experts have called for reform to Australia’s federal electoral laws to increase transparency
Key points:An ABC investigation has uncovered a series of payments, which a leading barrister and anti-corruption expert believes is a “scheme” to bypass political donation laws.
more..
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-10/hancock-prospecing-to-liberal-party-sydney-mining-club/101915486
They need to bring in new laws that require all donations to be declared and if it isn’t declared on time than that amount of undeclared donation becomes a fine.
I like the undeclared donation becoming a fine!
They could do it in real time. There is the technology to do it.
Taking it to the ombudsman
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Ombudsman Tasmania: Three-year wait for review has Labor fuming
Alex Treacy
Ongoing staff shortages and recruitment difficulties have seen the number of Right to Information reviews currently with the Ombudsman Tasmania continue to balloon, with applicants waiting more than three years to reach the “front of the queue”.
There are currently 129 active external RTI review requests as at February 7, up from 101 as at June 30, 2022.
Labor’s shadow Attorney-General Ella Haddad accused the state government of a “culture of secrecy and cover up” after the state opposition received an email on January 30 from the Ombudsman’s RTI division saying a review application lodged by opposition leader Rebecca White on December 23, 2019, “is reaching the front of our queue”.
“This office is working its way through the older review applications and because so much time has passed since Ms White applied for review we wish to confirm that the information is still required,” the email said.
“We have found that for some applicants the unfortunate lengthy delay means that the information may no longer be required.”
Ms Haddad said three-year delays are “completely unacceptable and undermine the purpose of the entire system”.
“This government has actively ruined our RTI system and has the worst record when it comes to transparency,” she said.
“It is not committed to the spirit of RTI disclosures and has created a culture of secrecy and cover up in their own departments.”
Attorney-General Elise Archer said the state government had provided “significant additional funding” to the office, including $500,000 in 2021–22 and $750,000 in 2022–23. An additional $1m would be provided in 2023–24 and again in 2024–25, she said.
Ms Archer said the ongoing staffing issues within the office meant Ombudsman Richard Connock had been unable to “fully utilise this additional funding”.
Mr Connock said there were currently five staff working through the backlog of review applications, three of whom have commenced since November last year. Those three “non-ongoing” (i.e. temporary) positions were created through “internal savings,” Mr Connock said.
“It is expected that this will have a major impact in 2023 on the waitlist for formal external review decisions,” he said.
There remain two permanent vacancies, one unmanned since April last year, the other since September.
In the Ombudsman’s 2021–22 Annual Report, Mr Connock said that “high staff turnover, unexpected leave and major difficulty in recruiting, but also a high number of new external review requests requiring formal decisions” were behind the backlog.
The Annual Report also fingered a high number of spurious refusals by public authorities to release information validly.
“Of the 19 external review decisions completed in the 2021–22 reporting year, only three affirmed the decisions of the relevant public authority,” Mr Connock said in the report.
“The significant majority varied or set aside the decisions, and two of the decisions in which the public authority’s decision was affirmed included significant criticism of the manner in which the assessed disclosure application had been handled.
“That 95 per cent of the external reviews dealt with in the 2021–22 financial year identified issues with the manner in which the public authority had responded to a request for assessed disclosure is of concern.”
dv said:
5.5 %
The number of people in Australia needing to be unemoted to give the dollar strength
wookiemeister said:
dv said:
Life the universe and everything5.5 %
The number of people in Australia needing to be unemoted to give the dollar strength
They definitely need something if they are still in 2022.
roughbarked said:
wookiemeister said:
dv said:
Life the universe and everything5.5 %
The number of people in Australia needing to be unemoted to give the dollar strength
They definitely need something if they are still in 2022.
You’ll see suicides rise and fall over successive years.
Since the interest rate rises I’ve had to cut right back on my Irish lilting to make ends meet.
https://theconversation.com/grattan-on-friday-adam-bandt-is-wedged-by-greens-overreach-on-emissions-legislation-200083
https://theconversation.com/6-000-words-but-silent-on-falling-real-wages-what-chalmers-got-wrong-on-values-based-capitalism-and-fixing-our-economic-woes-199270
Police have confirmed Nathaniel Train’s gun licence was suspended on August 22 last year and his brother Gareth and ex-wife Stacey did not have a firearm’s licence.
Under Queensland law, when buying ammunition, or possessing and storing ammunition, all purchasers must present the seller with a valid licence — a card with a photo of the holder and the class of weapons they are allowed to own.
However, police said Nathaniel Train was still able to purchase ammunition around the Wieambilla region in the lead up to the shooting.
Police said dealers sold the ammunition legally to Nathaniel Train because they had no database to check if his gun licence was suspended.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-18/qld-wieambilla-police-shooting-gun-licence-nathaniel-train/101987030
dv said:
Police have confirmed Nathaniel Train’s gun licence was suspended on August 22 last year and his brother Gareth and ex-wife Stacey did not have a firearm’s licence.
Under Queensland law, when buying ammunition, or possessing and storing ammunition, all purchasers must present the seller with a valid licence — a card with a photo of the holder and the class of weapons they are allowed to own.
However, police said Nathaniel Train was still able to purchase ammunition around the Wieambilla region in the lead up to the shooting.
Police said dealers sold the ammunition legally to Nathaniel Train because they had no database to check if his gun licence was suspended.
well everyone who doesn’t like the absence of a surveillance nanny police state should just leave
In Shocking News, Commentators Suggest That War Is Bad
Put bluntly, the repercussions of Australia joining the US in any war with China over the status of Taiwan — or any other issue — may have catastrophic consequences.
Surely not, surely it’s good for The Economy Must Grow and everyone will be happy¡
Cymek said:
PermeateFree said:
SCIENCE said:
In Shocking News, Commentators Suggest That War Is Bad
Put bluntly, the repercussions of Australia joining the US in any war with China over the status of Taiwan — or any other issue — may have catastrophic consequences.
An interesting and informative read. Should really make us stop and think.
What would war with China look like for Australia? Part 1
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-20/what-would-war-with-china-look-like-for-australia-part-1/101328632
I read that, worrying outcomes no matter how its goes.
Surely not, surely it’s good for The Economy Must Grow and everyone will be happy¡
SCIENCE said:
Cymek said:
PermeateFree said:
An interesting and informative read. Should really make us stop and think.
What would war with China look like for Australia? Part 1
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-20/what-would-war-with-china-look-like-for-australia-part-1/101328632
I read that, worrying outcomes no matter how its goes.
Surely not, surely it’s good for The Economy Must Grow and everyone will be happy¡
It mentions it could tank our economy as China no longer wants or is capable of trading with us.
Toilet Paper Australia
42 m ·
Sky News is saying “polls show” the Coalition will win.
One small problem… They don’t actually cite a single poll.
sarahs mum said:
Toilet Paper Australia
42 m ·
Sky News is saying “polls show” the Coalition will win.
One small problem… They don’t actually cite a single poll.
to be fair they seem to be saying that as long as no party slash coalition gets a majority then it counts as Corruption win
SCIENCE said:
sarahs mum said:
Toilet Paper Australia
42 m ·
Sky News is saying “polls show” the Coalition will win.
One small problem… They don’t actually cite a single poll.
to be fair they seem to be saying that as long as no party slash coalition gets a majority then it counts as Corruption win
Labor are 10% ahead in recent polling.
I don’t know why Sky bothers with this. I don’t know why they consider their fortunes to be completely decoupled from their credibility.
dv said:
SCIENCE said:sarahs mum said:
Toilet Paper Australia
42 m ·
Sky News is saying “polls show” the Coalition will win.
One small problem… They don’t actually cite a single poll.
to be fair they seem to be saying that as long as no party slash coalition gets a majority then it counts as Corruption win
Labor are 10% ahead in recent polling.
I don’t know why Sky bothers with this. I don’t know why they consider their fortunes to be completely decoupled from their credibility.
they keep on doing it though.
sarahs mum said:
Toilet Paper Australia
42 m ·
Sky News is saying “polls show” the Coalition will win.
One small problem… They don’t actually cite a single poll.
Their viewers don’t ask for citations.
dv said:
SCIENCE said:sarahs mum said:
Toilet Paper Australia
42 m ·
Sky News is saying “polls show” the Coalition will win.
One small problem… They don’t actually cite a single poll.
to be fair they seem to be saying that as long as no party slash coalition gets a majority then it counts as Corruption win
Labor are 10% ahead in recent polling.
I don’t know why Sky bothers with this. I don’t know why they consider their fortunes to be completely decoupled from their credibility.
Propaganda leaflets seemed like wasteful pollution but they still did it.
I know there are a couple of people here who would like to vote for these people so I’ll tell you they are in the AustraliaOne party.
dv said:
I know there are a couple of people here who would like to vote for these people so I’ll tell you they are in the AustraliaOne party.
So Pauline isn’t so bad after all.
dv said:
I know there are a couple of people here who would like to vote for these people so I’ll tell you they are in the AustraliaOne party.
I thought that the Russians claimed to be ‘getting rid of the Nazis in Ukraine’, but here we have their supporters saying that the Russians are doing a great job of…killing Jews.
Which i thought was something that…Nazis…did…?
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
I know there are a couple of people here who would like to vote for these people so I’ll tell you they are in the AustraliaOne party.
I thought that the Russians claimed to be ‘getting rid of the Nazis in Ukraine’, but here we have their supporters saying that the Russians are doing a great job of…killing Jews.
Which i thought was something that…Nazis…did…?
It’s almost as though these people are fkn crazy
dv said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
I know there are a couple of people here who would like to vote for these people so I’ll tell you they are in the AustraliaOne party.
I thought that the Russians claimed to be ‘getting rid of the Nazis in Ukraine’, but here we have their supporters saying that the Russians are doing a great job of…killing Jews.
Which i thought was something that…Nazis…did…?
It’s almost as though these people are fkn crazy
Reasonable conclusion.
dv said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
I know there are a couple of people here who would like to vote for these people so I’ll tell you they are in the AustraliaOne party.
I thought that the Russians claimed to be ‘getting rid of the Nazis in Ukraine’, but here we have their supporters saying that the Russians are doing a great job of…killing Jews.
Which i thought was something that…Nazis…did…?
It’s almost as though these people are fkn crazy
i think that’s a bit severe, alternative reality livers, is less confrontational.
Tamb said:
dv said:
I know there are a couple of people here who would like to vote for these people so I’ll tell you they are in the AustraliaOne party.
So Pauline isn’t so bad after all.
Now let’s not get carried away here.
dv said:
I know there are a couple of people here who would like to vote for these people so I’ll tell you they are in the AustraliaOne party.
The AustraliaOne party doesn’t actually exist as a party, so he’s running as an independent.
not even 100 years and here we are again
‘Platitudes and false words’: mother of robodebt victim who took own life tells inquiry of government stonewalling
‘It all became very sly. Everyone was lying and covering each other’s backs,’ royal commission hears
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/feb/20/platitudes-and-false-words-mother-of-robodebt-victim-who-took-own-life-tells-inquiry-of-government-stonewalling
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:
captain_spalding said:I thought that the Russians claimed to be ‘getting rid of the Nazis in Ukraine’, but here we have their supporters saying that the Russians are doing a great job of…killing Jews.
Which i thought was something that…Nazis…did…?
It’s almost as though these people are fkn crazy
i think that’s a bit severe, alternative reality livers, is less confrontational.
Hah! They are fucking crazy! Don’t dance around them trying to be polite!
kii said:
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:It’s almost as though these people are fkn crazy
i think that’s a bit severe, alternative reality livers, is less confrontational.
Hah! They are fucking crazy! Don’t dance around them trying to be polite!
I was joking.
ChrispenEvan said:
kii said:
ChrispenEvan said:i think that’s a bit severe, alternative reality livers, is less confrontational.
Hah! They are fucking crazy! Don’t dance around them trying to be polite!
I was joking.
Oh…my joke radar is broken.
kii said:
ChrispenEvan said:
kii said:Hah! They are fucking crazy! Don’t dance around them trying to be polite!
I was joking.
Oh…my joke radar is broken.
understandable.
🛀
I am learning Gaeilge as some of you know.
I was reading along with the sound files on Lessons 1-52 read by Réamonn Ó Cléirigh starting 1989, lessons 53-72 read by Séamas Ó Neachtain starting 2005. These were done for the Gerry Tobin Irish Language School (Scoil Ghaeilge Ghearóid Tóibín).
and I thought I am making great progress with this, until I realised I was on the wrong part of the book, and then couldn’t stop laughing. It is early days yet folks!
Oh just bloody lovely. :(
Spiny Norman said:
Oh just bloody lovely. :(
wookiemeister said:
Spiny Norman said:
Oh just bloody lovely. :(
great news , more poisoned water supplies
more unexpected weather and heat waves.
sarahs mum said:
wookiemeister said:
Spiny Norman said:
Oh just bloody lovely. :(
great news , more poisoned water supplies
more unexpected weather and heat waves.
that nobody will possibly could have predicted
A Senate inquiry has heard that while poverty has become “an industry” in Australia, frontline workers are still having to scrounge up donations to help those forced into homelessness.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-21/lismore-poverty-inquiry-hearing-housing-crisis-welfare-support/102005404
Communist Country Security Agency Shits On Capitalist Agents Simply Trying To Make Money
In his annual threat assessment, the director-general of the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation (ASIO) has also hit out at former military personnel who have put “cash before country” by working for authoritarian regimes, describing them as “top tools” more than “top guns”.
SCIENCE said:
Communist Country Security Agency Shits On Capitalist Agents Simply Trying To Make Money
In his annual threat assessment, the director-general of the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation (ASIO) has also hit out at former military personnel who have put “cash before country” by working for authoritarian regimes, describing them as “top tools” more than “top guns”.
I just loooove that his surname is Burgess.
https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/social/inside-the-unhinged-15minute-city-conspiracy-theory-sucking-in-gullible-australians/news-story/41e599d1686d954234e8198e24c22151
JFC is there nothing these dipshits can’t build a conspiracy theory around?
dv said:
https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/social/inside-the-unhinged-15minute-city-conspiracy-theory-sucking-in-gullible-australians/news-story/41e599d1686d954234e8198e24c22151JFC is there nothing these dipshits can’t build a conspiracy theory around?
Yeah. That one is quite weird.
https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/state/nsw/2023/02/22/dominic-perrottet-brother-inquiry/
Perrottet’s brother is hiding out to avoid testifying.
dv said:
https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/social/inside-the-unhinged-15minute-city-conspiracy-theory-sucking-in-gullible-australians/news-story/41e599d1686d954234e8198e24c22151JFC is there nothing these dipshits can’t build a conspiracy theory around?
Conversation this morning with Margaret.
There are groups of computer gee’s going to cemeteries..
Apparently all the new jabbed past over ones are showing blue tooth signals to phones..
You sent
you really do believe in a lot of shit
Margaret
Even their names are coming up on the screen
Margaret
😄
Margaret
Don’t believe it, just saw the doco
Margaret
I keep an open mind..
Margaret
Git to with this crazy world
You sent
you need a critical thinking filter.
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What are 15-minute cities and how did they ignite a conspiracy theory?
Designing shops, schools and public transport near homes sounds like a good idea. So how did urban planning become a new battleground for conspiracy theorists?
ByCara Waters
FEBRUARY 19, 2023Conspiracy theorists have moved on from rumours about microchips in COVID-19 vaccines and the potential dangers of 5G mobile phone towers to a previously uncontroversial urban planning principle.
The 15-minute city has caught on around the world – including in many Australian municipalities – but opposition to the idea has also caught hold among fringe groups. People suspicious of the planning concept are battling against it in forums from Britain’s House of Commons to a council meeting in Melbourne.
So, why the concern? And what is a 15-minute city?
What’s a 15-minute city?
A 15-minute city is a principle that everything you need should be within 15 minutes’ walk or public transport of your home – schools, shops, libraries, parks, transport, job opportunities, healthcare and so on. The idea is that a network of 15-minute cities provides inhabitants with easy access to everything they need.If you live in a city, how long does it take you to get to a supermarket? What about a pharmacy or a school? For adherents of the 15-minute-city concept, the answer to all those questions should be “less than 15 minutes”.
The actual timeframe is slightly fluid: 15-minute cities are also referred to, in urban planning speak, as 20-minute cities or neighbourhoods and Copenhagen trumped everyone with a “Five Minutes to Everything” model.
Spanish urban planner Professor Carlos Moreno is credited with coining the term in 2016, but elements of the philosophy have been around since the 1960s. It has been adopted around the world, most famously by Paris Mayor Anne Hidalgo, who made it the cornerstone of her 2020 re-election campaign and has overseen the installation of hundreds of kilometres of new bike lanes and a new metro line, and the conversion of some streets into parks.
“I am convinced we need to transform the city so Parisians can learn, do sports, have healthcare, shop, within 15 minutes of their home.”
Anne Hidalgo, mayor of Paris
“In Paris we all feel we have no time; we are always rushing to one place or another, always trying to gain time,” Hidalgo says. “That is why I am convinced we need to transform the city so Parisians can learn, do sports, have healthcare, shop, within 15 minutes of their home.”Rory Hyde, associate professor of architecture at the University of Melbourne, says the concept of 15-minute cities is “just the best idea”.
“It’s a principle that requires planners to spread infrastructure around and stop building mono neighbourhoods like sprawling residential compounds without schools, parks or health
In Victoria, the 15-minute city philosophy was adopted in the Plan Melbourne Blueprint championed by former premier Dennis Napthine and former planning minister Matthew Guy in 2014, albeit with a 20-minute metric. The blueprint states that 20-minute neighbourhoods “tend to be safer and more inclusive communities and to have vibrant local economies” and “help improve health and wellbeing, reduce travel costs and traffic congestion, and reduce vehicle emissions”.Deputy lord mayor and chair of planning at the City of Melbourne, Nicholas Reece, says the idea of 15- or 20-minute cities is “very popular” among urban planners in Australia. “There is nothing to fear and a lot to love about the 15-minute city,” he says. “It promotes healthy and sustainable living and improves the quality of life and connection to local community for city dwellers.”
“There is nothing to fear and a lot to love about the 15-minute city.”
Nicholas Reece, City of Melbourne
In NSW, the Future Transport Strategy is planning both 30-minute transport hubs around six regions, including Parramatta, Chatswood, Wollongong and Coffs Harbour, that provide commuters with hubs of “one-stop shops” (supermarkets, post offices and so on) and 15-minute neighbourhoods which prioritise walking, cycling and micromobility (getting about on electric scooters and bikes).“Our vision for 15-minute neighbourhoods will also improve health and wellbeing outcomes and ensure local communities thrive,” the NSW Minister for Cities and Active Transport, Rob Stokes, has said. (Active transport includes walking and cycling.)
Experts cite Brisbane’s West End and the inner Melbourne suburb of Carlton as examples of areas that would qualify as 15-minute cities.
What’s the conspiracy theory then?
Conspiracy theorists are concerned that 15-minute cities are really designed to restrict people’s movements, so they can be better surveilled by the government. Some claim 15-minute cities represent the first step to open-air jails where residents will not be allowed to leave their prescribed area.
As one British TikToker, blaming Britain’s Conservative government, wrongly warned: “You’re going to have to apply for a f—-ing permit, a permit right, to leave your zone.”
Concerns about 15-minute cities have reached the British parliament where, in February, Nick Fletcher – a Conservative MP – called for a “debate on the international socialist concept of so-called 15-minute cities and 20-minute neighbourhoods”.
Fletcher warned that low-emission zones in Britain, where traffic is limited in some neighbourhoods, were causing “untold economic damage”. He did not elaborate on what this damage was. “The second step after these zones will take away personal freedoms as well,” he said. “That cannot be right.”
My Place Australia network, which holds local meetups around the country and has 2700 Facebook members, has espoused the conspiracy theories around 15-minute cities at “meet ‘n’ greets” advertised from Byron Bay in NSW to Ocean Grove on Victoria’s Surf Coast this week.
“It is Crunch time 2023, really time we go after our councils as they are the ones bringing in the 5G, the Smart Cities, etc.”
The Frankston My Place website states that the goal of the network is to “implement a project that allows us to step away from the current systems that are not serving our best interests”. Minutes from the most recent meeting include discussions of homeschooling, gardening, health and a “community action group” that targets local councils. “It is Crunch time 2023, really time we go after our councils as they are the ones bringing in the 5G, the Smart Cities, etc,” the minutes state.
Some My Place members have started going to council meetings to voice their views. The mayor of Melbourne’s Yarra Ranges, Jim Child, closed a meeting to the public this week after “a number of outbursts” from attendees, at least some of whom were believed to be from the local My Place group, during talk of 20-minute neighbourhoods. “Police were called to assist with the crowd of 100-plus agitators, who didn’t follow the rules we set down for council meetings,” Child said. The group has told the council they will attend meetings until council elections next year.
How has the conspiracy theory caught on?
Jonn Elledge, author of Conspiracy: A History of B*llocks Theories, and How Not to Fall for Them, says that in a sane world the theory behind 15-minute cities would not be even remotely controversial.“The theory has caught hold because people have had direct recent experience of ‘faceless’ government officials locking them in their homes or neighbourhoods during the pandemic,” he says. “When someone says that 15-minute cities aren’t just a benign theory about how lovely it would be if you had everything you needed in walking distance, they’re the next stage of a sinister plot by the new world order to lock you in your homes … there are some people who are primed to believe it.”
Local councils are increasingly fielding correspondence from people who claim to be “frightened” by 15-minute cities.
Elledge says part of the issue is that urbanism is a global movement that groups such as the World Economic Forum engage with and which, for example, hold international conferences. “That’s obviously prime conspiracist territory, as it fits into the whole Illuminati/New World Order/sinister international conspiracy view of things,” he says.
Urban planners have been left baffled by opposition to 15-minute cities, with Moreno copping racist abuse online, while in Australia local councils such as the City of Melbourne are increasingly fielding correspondence from people who claim to be “frightened” by 15-minute cities.
“Wild conspiracy theories that the 15-minute city will require people to obtain a pass to leave their zone or stop them leaving their local area are ludicrous,” Reece says. “In fact, the 15-minute city will give people more freedom and opportunity to enjoy the best things in life close to their home.”
FMD. I hate people.
Mad people everywhere these days but unfortunately it seems there’s no cure.
Thanks!
Can’t possibly be a conspiracy thing if Dennis Napthine and Matthew Guy think it’s good.
Well, that’s weird. Some people are really odd.
JFC is there nothing these dipshits can’t build a conspiracy theory around?
Yeah. That one is quite weird.
Conversation this morning with Margaret.
There are groups of computer gee’s going to cemeteries..
Apparently all the new jabbed past over ones are showing blue tooth signals to phones..
You sent
you really do believe in a lot of shitMargaret
Even their names are coming up on the screen
Margaret
😄
Margaret
Don’t believe it, just saw the doco
Margaret
I keep an open mind..
MargaretGit to with this crazy world
You sent
you need a critical thinking filter.
that Age, well
Coalition government lacked ‘empathy’ for welfare recipients, focused on cost savings, Serena Wilson tells Robodebt royal commission
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-23/qld-robodebt-scheme-government-royal-commission-serena-wilson/102001612
This is pretty short notice so I don’t think I can attend, but I’ll send SCIENCE as my second.
dv said:
This is pretty short notice so I don’t think I can attend, but I’ll send SCIENCE as my second.
What a creepfest.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
This is pretty short notice so I don’t think I can attend, but I’ll send SCIENCE as my second.
What a creepfest.
And that’s putting it mildly!
Check out the starting time, too – they’ve moved Sydney to Queensland!
sarahs mum said:
Coalition government lacked ‘empathy’ for welfare recipients, focused on cost savings, Serena Wilson tells Robodebt royal commissionhttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-23/qld-robodebt-scheme-government-royal-commission-serena-wilson/102001612
That’s their MO every minute of every day though. You could have made that comment at literally any moment of the last 20 years.
dv said:
This is pretty short notice so I don’t think I can attend, but I’ll send SCIENCE as my second.
Thanks for the heads up. I’ll be sure to keep my children away from the vicinity.
sarahs mum said:
Coalition government lacked ‘empathy’ for welfare recipients, focused on cost savings, Serena Wilson tells Robodebt royal commissionhttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-23/qld-robodebt-scheme-government-royal-commission-serena-wilson/102001612
Well yeah
dv said:
This is pretty short notice so I don’t think I can attend, but I’ll send SCIENCE as my second.
good grief, a wanted poster of grifters.
sarahs mum said:
Coalition government lacked ‘empathy’ for welfare recipients, focused on cost savings, Serena Wilson tells Robodebt royal commissionhttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-23/qld-robodebt-scheme-government-royal-commission-serena-wilson/102001612
They really didn’t care who they killed off with their “lack of empathy.”
Kothos said:
dv said:
This is pretty short notice so I don’t think I can attend, but I’ll send SCIENCE as my second.
Thanks for the heads up. I’ll be sure to keep my children away from the vicinity.
You are a wise Father indeed!
ms spock said:
Kothos said:
dv said:
This is pretty short notice so I don’t think I can attend, but I’ll send SCIENCE as my second.
Thanks for the heads up. I’ll be sure to keep my children away from the vicinity.
You are a wise Father indeed!
who the fuck are those jokers anyway
SCIENCE said:
ms spock said:
Kothos said:
Thanks for the heads up. I’ll be sure to keep my children away from the vicinity.
You are a wise Father indeed!
who the fuck are those jokers anyway
Looks like a mug-shot book from the Child Abuse and Sex offences Squad.
SCIENCE said:
ms spock said:
Kothos said:
Thanks for the heads up. I’ll be sure to keep my children away from the vicinity.
You are a wise Father indeed!
who the fuck are those jokers anyway
Creepy collection of far-righter nutters, Christian fundies, anti-vax campaigners, wife-beaters etc.
SCIENCE said:
ms spock said:
Kothos said:
Thanks for the heads up. I’ll be sure to keep my children away from the vicinity.
You are a wise Father indeed!
who the fuck are those jokers anyway
Their jokes fall flat.
dv said:
This is pretty short notice so I don’t think I can attend, but I’ll send SCIENCE as my second.
It is for real. And you are likely locked out.
https://prayandpushback.com/
vomits
