In case you end up meeting some Vulcans but haven’t brushed up on your Vulcan recently…

https://funtranslations.com/vulcan

ms spock said:

In case you end up meeting some Vulcans but haven’t brushed up on your Vulcan recently…

https://funtranslations.com/vulcan

Just checked. There is no Vulcan on Google translate.
It’s also missing some other languages.

mollwollfumble said:

ms spock said:

In case you end up meeting some Vulcans but haven’t brushed up on your Vulcan recently…

https://funtranslations.com/vulcan

Just checked. There is no Vulcan on Google translate.
It’s also missing some other languages.

Vulcan is not actually a real language.

roughbarked said:

mollwollfumble said:

ms spock said:

In case you end up meeting some Vulcans but haven’t brushed up on your Vulcan recently…

https://funtranslations.com/vulcan

Just checked. There is no Vulcan on Google translate.
It’s also missing some other languages.

Vulcan is not actually a real language.

Here is a real Vulcan

roughbarked said:

mollwollfumble said:

ms spock said:

In case you end up meeting some Vulcans but haven’t brushed up on your Vulcan recently…

https://funtranslations.com/vulcan

Just checked. There is no Vulcan on Google translate.
It’s also missing some other languages.

Vulcan is not actually a real language.

What defines a “Real” language?

Dark Orange said:

roughbarked said:

mollwollfumble said:

Just checked. There is no Vulcan on Google translate.
It’s also missing some other languages.

Vulcan is not actually a real language.

What defines a “Real” language?

He means it is a constructed, rather than natural language.

Tamb said:

roughbarked said:

mollwollfumble said:

Just checked. There is no Vulcan on Google translate.
It’s also missing some other languages.

Vulcan is not actually a real language.

Here is a real Vulcan

This be true.

Dark Orange said:

roughbarked said:

mollwollfumble said:

Just checked. There is no Vulcan on Google translate.
It’s also missing some other languages.

Vulcan is not actually a real language.

What defines a “Real” language?

A real existence of it’s speakers.

dv said:

Dark Orange said:

roughbarked said:

Vulcan is not actually a real language.

What defines a “Real” language?

He means it is a constructed, rather than natural language.

Along those lines. There aren’t any real Vulcan peoples. It is a fantasy.

All clear to land Red Leader.

roughbarked said:

Dark Orange said:

roughbarked said:

Vulcan is not actually a real language.

What defines a “Real” language?

A real existence of it’s speakers.

We should consider the difference between real & dead languages.

Tamb said:

roughbarked said:

Dark Orange said:

What defines a “Real” language?

A real existence of it’s speakers.

We should consider the difference between real & dead languages.

Dead languages were actually spoken by real people that did or still do, live.

Peak Warming Man said:

All clear to land Red Leader.

Red leader to Vulcan XH558 “I suggest you lower your landing gear before attempting a landing”

Tamb said:

Peak Warming Man said:

All clear to land Red Leader.

Red leader to Vulcan XH558 “I suggest you lower your landing gear before attempting a landing”

or in other words, “You’ll need wheels with that?”

Dark Orange said:

roughbarked said:

mollwollfumble said:

Just checked. There is no Vulcan on Google translate.
It’s also missing some other languages.

Vulcan is not actually a real language.

What defines a “Real” language?

I would say that it would be better to distinguish between native languages and artificial languages. They are both real. For the former there are groups who use the language as part of their everyday social interaction. Artificial languages the speaker have grown up with some other native language first and had to learn the new language at a later time. I would place Klingon, Vulcan, Esperanto and even Latin in the artificial languages column. Latin was once a native language but now is pretty much artificial.

I’m pretty sure you can take actual courses in Vulcan…

roughbarked said:

dv said:

Dark Orange said:

What defines a “Real” language?

He means it is a constructed, rather than natural language.

Along those lines. There aren’t any real Vulcan peoples. It is a fantasy.

There aren’t any native Latin speakers either, yet it is still classed as a language.

Dark Orange said:

roughbarked said:

dv said:

He means it is a constructed, rather than natural language.

Along those lines. There aren’t any real Vulcan peoples. It is a fantasy.

There aren’t any native Latin speakers either, yet it is still classed as a language.

classed as dead a language

Tamb said:

Dark Orange said:

roughbarked said:

Along those lines. There aren’t any real Vulcan peoples. It is a fantasy.

There aren’t any native Latin speakers either, yet it is still classed as a language.

classed as dead a language

OOPS classed as a dead language

Tamb said:

Dark Orange said:

roughbarked said:

Along those lines. There aren’t any real Vulcan peoples. It is a fantasy.

There aren’t any native Latin speakers either, yet it is still classed as a language.

classed as dead a language

It should be noted that Latin does have some use as a liturgical language in the Vatican (albeit by non-native speakers).

Tamb said:

Dark Orange said:

roughbarked said:

Along those lines. There aren’t any real Vulcan peoples. It is a fantasy.

There aren’t any native Latin speakers either, yet it is still classed as a language.

classed as dead a language

I think it is still being kept alive artificially. Some people still use for it professional purposes, historians, archaeologists, medical people, show-offs, elite private school snobs etc. It is not quite dead yet.

I think that in the north of Italy in the border region signage is in Italian, German and Latin.
I could have dreamt it or it might just be one sign.

party_pants said:

Tamb said:

Dark Orange said:

There aren’t any native Latin speakers either, yet it is still classed as a language.

classed as dead a language

I think it is still being kept alive artificially. Some people still use for it professional purposes, historians, archaeologists, medical people, show-offs, elite private school snobs etc. It is not quite dead yet.

Most if not all Catholic churches now conduct Mass in English.

Peak Warming Man said:

I think that in the north of Italy in the border region signage is in Italian, German and Latin.
I could have dreamt it or it might just be one sign.

I saw a sign in Latin here the other day, EXIT, it said.

Tamb said:

party_pants said:

Tamb said:

classed as dead a language

I think it is still being kept alive artificially. Some people still use for it professional purposes, historians, archaeologists, medical people, show-offs, elite private school snobs etc. It is not quite dead yet.

Most if not all Catholic churches now conduct Mass in English.

I understand it is still used in the Vatican. Lots of their official record keeping and administrative & diplomatic stuff is in Latin, it is their official language.

dv said:

Peak Warming Man said:

I think that in the north of Italy in the border region signage is in Italian, German and Latin.
I could have dreamt it or it might just be one sign.

I saw a sign in Latin here the other day, EXIT, it said.

When it should have said Ausfahrt.

dv said:

Peak Warming Man said:

I think that in the north of Italy in the border region signage is in Italian, German and Latin.
I could have dreamt it or it might just be one sign.

I saw a sign in Latin here the other day, EXIT, it said.

heh

Tamb said:

dv said:

Peak Warming Man said:

I think that in the north of Italy in the border region signage is in Italian, German and Latin.
I could have dreamt it or it might just be one sign.

I saw a sign in Latin here the other day, EXIT, it said.

When it should have said Ausfahrt.

There’s no need for that sort of language.

“Ladin (/ləˈdiːn/, also UK: /læˈdiːn/; autonym: ladin, Italian: ladino; German: Ladinisch) is a Romance language of the Rhaeto-Romance subgroup, mainly spoken in the Dolomite Mountains in Northern Italy in the provinces of South Tyrol, Trentino, and Belluno, by the Ladin people. It exhibits similarities to Swiss Romansh and Friulian.

The precise extension of the Ladin language area is a subject of scholarly debate. A more narrow perspective includes only the dialects of the valleys around the Sella group, while wider definitions comprise the dialects of adjacent valleys in the Province of Belluno and even dialects spoken in the northwestern Trentino.

A standard variety of Ladin (Ladin Dolomitan) has been developed by the Office for Ladin Language Planning as a common communication tool across the whole Ladin-speaking region.”

Ladin is derived from a vulgar form of Latin, apparently.

Tamb said:

party_pants said:

Tamb said:

classed as dead a language

I think it is still being kept alive artificially. Some people still use for it professional purposes, historians, archaeologists, medical people, show-offs, elite private school snobs etc. It is not quite dead yet.

Most if not all Catholic churches now conduct Mass in English.

Surely Spanish

Dark Orange said:

roughbarked said:

dv said:

He means it is a constructed, rather than natural language.

Along those lines. There aren’t any real Vulcan peoples. It is a fantasy.

There aren’t any native Latin speakers either, yet it is still classed as a language.

There were once native Latin speakers. It was a real language.

Today, one could argue that there are roughly 867 million native speakers of Latin, given that each of the Romance Languages is essentially just a modern version.

roughbarked said:

Dark Orange said:

roughbarked said:

Along those lines. There aren’t any real Vulcan peoples. It is a fantasy.

There aren’t any native Latin speakers either, yet it is still classed as a language.

There were once native Latin speakers. It was a real language.

Today, one could argue that there are roughly 867 million native speakers of Latin, given that each of the Romance Languages is essentially just a modern version.

That’s a bit of a reach.

roughbarked said:

Dark Orange said:

roughbarked said:

Along those lines. There aren’t any real Vulcan peoples. It is a fantasy.

There aren’t any native Latin speakers either, yet it is still classed as a language.

There were once native Latin speakers. It was a real language.

Today, one could argue that there are roughly 867 million native speakers of Latin, given that each of the Romance Languages is essentially just a modern version.

I disagree. I don’t think that could be argued.

party_pants said:

roughbarked said:

Dark Orange said:

There aren’t any native Latin speakers either, yet it is still classed as a language.

There were once native Latin speakers. It was a real language.

Today, one could argue that there are roughly 867 million native speakers of Latin, given that each of the Romance Languages is essentially just a modern version.

I disagree. I don’t think that could be argued.

I copied it from Quora but the WIKI history states: In the eastern half of the Roman Empire, later referred to as the Byzantine Empire, the Greek Koine of Hellenism remained current among peasants and traders, while Latin was used for laws and administrative writings. It continued to influence the Vulgar Latin that would evolve into the Eastern Romance languages.

roughbarked said:

party_pants said:

roughbarked said:

There were once native Latin speakers. It was a real language.

Today, one could argue that there are roughly 867 million native speakers of Latin, given that each of the Romance Languages is essentially just a modern version.

I disagree. I don’t think that could be argued.

I copied it from Quora but the WIKI history states: In the eastern half of the Roman Empire, later referred to as the Byzantine Empire, the Greek Koine of Hellenism remained current among peasants and traders, while Latin was used for laws and administrative writings. It continued to influence the Vulgar Latin that would evolve into the Eastern Romance languages.

Right but the fact that they evolved from Latin means they aren’t Latin any more…

About 3 billion people speak languages that evolved from Proto-Indo-European but you can’t say they are still speaking it now. Shit, it’s possible that all languages have a common ancestor, ultimately, sometimes called Proto-World or Proto-Human language … but they aren’t speaking that now.

dv said:

roughbarked said:

party_pants said:

I disagree. I don’t think that could be argued.

I copied it from Quora but the WIKI history states: In the eastern half of the Roman Empire, later referred to as the Byzantine Empire, the Greek Koine of Hellenism remained current among peasants and traders, while Latin was used for laws and administrative writings. It continued to influence the Vulgar Latin that would evolve into the Eastern Romance languages.

Right but the fact that they evolved from Latin means they aren’t Latin any more…

About 3 billion people speak languages that evolved from Proto-Indo-European but you can’t say they are still speaking it now. Shit, it’s possible that all languages have a common ancestor, ultimately, sometimes called Proto-World or Proto-Human language … but they aren’t speaking that now.

well, they’re all Greek to me.

roughbarked said:

party_pants said:

roughbarked said:

There were once native Latin speakers. It was a real language.

Today, one could argue that there are roughly 867 million native speakers of Latin, given that each of the Romance Languages is essentially just a modern version.

I disagree. I don’t think that could be argued.

I copied it from Quora but the WIKI history states: In the eastern half of the Roman Empire, later referred to as the Byzantine Empire, the Greek Koine of Hellenism remained current among peasants and traders, while Latin was used for laws and administrative writings. It continued to influence the Vulgar Latin that would evolve into the Eastern Romance languages.

It is perfectly fine to categorise languages into groups and families. But to argue they are all the same language is going to far. Hell, you could say that anything derived from proto-indo-european are all the same language. But clearly they are not because they are not mutually intelligible. Mostly that’s where the line gets drawn, if they are not mutually understandable they are not the same language.

dv said:

roughbarked said:

party_pants said:

I disagree. I don’t think that could be argued.

I copied it from Quora but the WIKI history states: In the eastern half of the Roman Empire, later referred to as the Byzantine Empire, the Greek Koine of Hellenism remained current among peasants and traders, while Latin was used for laws and administrative writings. It continued to influence the Vulgar Latin that would evolve into the Eastern Romance languages.

Right but the fact that they evolved from Latin means they aren’t Latin any more…

About 3 billion people speak languages that evolved from Proto-Indo-European but you can’t say they are still speaking it now. Shit, it’s possible that all languages have a common ancestor, ultimately, sometimes called Proto-World or Proto-Human language … but they aren’t speaking that now.

I only added that bedause it was out there. My original statement was around the fact that though it is now classed as dead, it was alive once, if only for a relatively short period. It was spoken and written by living people.

party_pants said:

roughbarked said:

party_pants said:

I disagree. I don’t think that could be argued.

I copied it from Quora but the WIKI history states: In the eastern half of the Roman Empire, later referred to as the Byzantine Empire, the Greek Koine of Hellenism remained current among peasants and traders, while Latin was used for laws and administrative writings. It continued to influence the Vulgar Latin that would evolve into the Eastern Romance languages.

It is perfectly fine to categorise languages into groups and families. But to argue they are all the same language is going to far. Hell, you could say that anything derived from proto-indo-european are all the same language. But clearly they are not because they are not mutually intelligible. Mostly that’s where the line gets drawn, if they are not mutually understandable they are not the same language.

Point is, I didn’t say it. I copied it from the words of someone else.

and Vulcan lives only in the minds of the fans of the movie.

roughbarked said:

party_pants said:

roughbarked said:

I copied it from Quora but the WIKI history states: In the eastern half of the Roman Empire, later referred to as the Byzantine Empire, the Greek Koine of Hellenism remained current among peasants and traders, while Latin was used for laws and administrative writings. It continued to influence the Vulgar Latin that would evolve into the Eastern Romance languages.

It is perfectly fine to categorise languages into groups and families. But to argue they are all the same language is going to far. Hell, you could say that anything derived from proto-indo-european are all the same language. But clearly they are not because they are not mutually intelligible. Mostly that’s where the line gets drawn, if they are not mutually understandable they are not the same language.

Point is, I didn’t say it. I copied it from the words of someone else.

and Vulcan lives only in the minds of the fans of the movie.

a pitfall of not attributing your posts.

party_pants said:

roughbarked said:

Dark Orange said:

There aren’t any native Latin speakers either, yet it is still classed as a language.

There were once native Latin speakers. It was a real language.

Today, one could argue that there are roughly 867 million native speakers of Latin, given that each of the Romance Languages is essentially just a modern version.

I disagree. I don’t think that could be argued.

Course it could, he just did it.

It is an incorrect argument though.

roughbarked said:

Point is, I didn’t say it. I copied it from the words of someone else.

Well I can’t tell you how to live your life but Quora is a shitfire.

dv said:

roughbarked said:

Point is, I didn’t say it. I copied it from the words of someone else.

Well I can’t tell you how to live your life but Quora is a shitfire.

yeah, you get the occasional good post but a lot of dross, creationist/anti-evolutionist.

roughbarked said:

dv said:

roughbarked said:

I copied it from Quora but the WIKI history states: In the eastern half of the Roman Empire, later referred to as the Byzantine Empire, the Greek Koine of Hellenism remained current among peasants and traders, while Latin was used for laws and administrative writings. It continued to influence the Vulgar Latin that would evolve into the Eastern Romance languages.

Right but the fact that they evolved from Latin means they aren’t Latin any more…

About 3 billion people speak languages that evolved from Proto-Indo-European but you can’t say they are still speaking it now. Shit, it’s possible that all languages have a common ancestor, ultimately, sometimes called Proto-World or Proto-Human language … but they aren’t speaking that now.

I only added that bedause it was out there. My original statement was around the fact that though it is now classed as dead, it was alive once, if only for a relatively short period. It was spoken and written by living people.

Lets not forget that Latin was the universal language of scientific publications for a long time, and continued in active use until the 19th century.

dv said:

roughbarked said:

Point is, I didn’t say it. I copied it from the words of someone else.

Well I can’t tell you how to live your life but Quora is a shitfire.

:) Knew that.

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

dv said:

Right but the fact that they evolved from Latin means they aren’t Latin any more…

About 3 billion people speak languages that evolved from Proto-Indo-European but you can’t say they are still speaking it now. Shit, it’s possible that all languages have a common ancestor, ultimately, sometimes called Proto-World or Proto-Human language … but they aren’t speaking that now.

I only added that bedause it was out there. My original statement was around the fact that though it is now classed as dead, it was alive once, if only for a relatively short period. It was spoken and written by living people.

Lets not forget that Latin was the universal language of scientific publications for a long time, and continued in active use until the 19th century.

I still speak Latin when mentioning the Taxonomical nomeclature.

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

dv said:

Right but the fact that they evolved from Latin means they aren’t Latin any more…

About 3 billion people speak languages that evolved from Proto-Indo-European but you can’t say they are still speaking it now. Shit, it’s possible that all languages have a common ancestor, ultimately, sometimes called Proto-World or Proto-Human language … but they aren’t speaking that now.

I only added that bedause it was out there. My original statement was around the fact that though it is now classed as dead, it was alive once, if only for a relatively short period. It was spoken and written by living people.

Lets not forget that Latin was the universal language of scientific publications for a long time, and continued in active use until the 19th century.

Oh, I have not forgotten.

The WP article may be of interest

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contemporary_Latin

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

I only added that bedause it was out there. My original statement was around the fact that though it is now classed as dead, it was alive once, if only for a relatively short period. It was spoken and written by living people.

Lets not forget that Latin was the universal language of scientific publications for a long time, and continued in active use until the 19th century.

I still speak Latin when mentioning the Taxonomical nomeclature.

And Zookeepers use it with all species of fauna and flora.

mollwollfumble said:

ms spock said:

In case you end up meeting some Vulcans but haven’t brushed up on your Vulcan recently…

https://funtranslations.com/vulcan

Just checked. There is no Vulcan on Google translate.
It’s also missing some other languages.

I am pleased that they have Irish.

Link name

Link name

Link name

Link name

Has vulcan script

Link name

Tum-vel tor marom heh yeht-urgam dvinsu, hi nash-veh ma rai istaya tor dvin-tor ne’ au
Computers make excellent and efficient servants, but I have no wish to serve under them.
https://www.ats-group.net/dictionaries/dictionary-english-vulcan.html

https://www.translate.com/dictionary/malay-english/vulcan-32737650

ms spock said:

Link name

Link name

Link name

Link name

Has vulcan script

Link name

Tum-vel tor marom heh yeht-urgam dvinsu, hi nash-veh ma rai istaya tor dvin-tor ne’ au
Computers make excellent and efficient servants, but I have no wish to serve under them.
https://www.ats-group.net/dictionaries/dictionary-english-vulcan.html

https://www.translate.com/dictionary/malay-english/vulcan-32737650

Nooooo! I’m having enough trouble with Irish. a Thiarna Beannaigh Tú

Tamb said:

ms spock said:

Link name

Link name

Link name

Link name

Has vulcan script

Link name

Tum-vel tor marom heh yeht-urgam dvinsu, hi nash-veh ma rai istaya tor dvin-tor ne’ au
Computers make excellent and efficient servants, but I have no wish to serve under them.
https://www.ats-group.net/dictionaries/dictionary-english-vulcan.html

https://www.translate.com/dictionary/malay-english/vulcan-32737650

Nooooo! I’m having enough trouble with Irish. a Thiarna Beannaigh Tú

It’s only for fun! You never have to look at the links Tamb!

ms spock said:

Link name

Link name

Link name

Link name

Has vulcan script

Link name

Tum-vel tor marom heh yeht-urgam dvinsu, hi nash-veh ma rai istaya tor dvin-tor ne’ au
Computers make excellent and efficient servants, but I have no wish to serve under them.
https://www.ats-group.net/dictionaries/dictionary-english-vulcan.html

https://www.translate.com/dictionary/malay-english/vulcan-32737650

Just use English to Welsh. Nobody will know the difference.

Woodie said:

ms spock said:

Link name

Link name

Link name

Link name

Has vulcan script

Link name

Tum-vel tor marom heh yeht-urgam dvinsu, hi nash-veh ma rai istaya tor dvin-tor ne’ au
Computers make excellent and efficient servants, but I have no wish to serve under them.
https://www.ats-group.net/dictionaries/dictionary-english-vulcan.html

https://www.translate.com/dictionary/malay-english/vulcan-32737650

Just use English to Welsh. Nobody will know the difference.

Heya Woodie!

It’s always good to read you.

I am curious about the Welsh. The different scripts are fasciating. And the different sounds.

Irish Gaelic is prounced no where near the spelling of the world, most of the time. So you have to listen to the world to hear the difference and then associate those sounds to a very different spelling!