Quick question.
If a person tests positive four days apart, do they need to report the second rat test online?

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

fucking laugh out loud

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-01/australia-covid-omicron-2023-deaths-hospitalisation-antiviral/101813248

1. Experts say vaccines will remain the main defence against COVID-19 into 2023
2. Despite investment in studying and treating long COVID, the virus will likely be a challenge for years to come

imagine if the idiocy of 1. directly caused the failing 2. and there were some better way

probably be more accurate to say the human hosts are willingly breeding the virus, save a whole lot of bullshit

let’s go, bring on the stupid

One of the key changes in 2022 was a shift from government-imposed restrictions to personal responsibility.

That’s an approach that will continue in 2023, with a national COVID-19 plan outlining an approach based on an informed community taking the lead on protection, alongside vaccine supply certainty and a focus on taking the pressure off hospitals.

ahahahaha that’s totally working

Paul Griffin — an infectious diseases physician and associate professor at the University of Queensland — said communicating risk so that Australians could make informed choices remained a challenge. “I think we’ve had a strategy of extremes,” Dr Griffin said. “We perhaps overdid it early on, so the risk perception was too high. And then, perhaps, we underdid it almost … to the point now where I think a number of people are complacent and under-appreciating the risk that still exists in our community.”

“perhaps” doing a lot of work there, a nearly infinite amount of work, especially given that the risk perception has never been too high

He said this might involve choosing to meet up outdoors if you can, thinking about ventilation, masking up in high-risk settings, staying up-to-date with vaccines and staying home if you’re unwell.

“thinking about” LOL fucking what next, prayers

Both Dr Lydeamore and Dr Griffin said the introduction of bivalent vaccines, which can target two strains of the virus, was a helpful addition heading into 2023.

ah yes the vaccines that nobody who still wants any is eligible for

Dr Griffin said other new tools being developed — such as intra-nasal vaccines that could reduce the chance of infection and passing the virus on — could also represent a “big step forward”.

He said improving antivirals — which are most effective at reducing severe illness when taken shortly after an infection begins — would also help.

“The ones we’ve used so far have been tremendous in reducing high-risk people progressing to severe disease,” Dr Griffin said. “But better antivirals, better access to antivirals, will also make a huge difference.”

ah yes that must be the best part of the lot, look we have the tools, we have intranasal vaccines, we have improving antivirals

OH WAIT IT’S ALL HYPOTHETICAL AND WE DON’T ¿¡¿¿ OH FUCK WE REALLY DON’T

don’t believe us¿ Fine, go check that link then, did you notice, it’s dated 2022-08-02 and it’s now 2023-01-01 oh fuck

consider the following, in contrast

fucking imagine that eh

LOL

LOL

SCIENCE said:

communist shill

shills

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

communist shill

shills

better headline

CHINA Plays 137-Dimensional Chess Sacrificing 2 Million Elders And 20% Of Its Workforce To Finally Make Racists Around The World Care About COVID-19

SCIENCE said:

better headline

LOL

fuck

SCIENCE said:

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

fucking laugh out loud

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-01/australia-covid-omicron-2023-deaths-hospitalisation-antiviral/101813248

1. Experts say vaccines will remain the main defence against COVID-19 into 2023
2. Despite investment in studying and treating long COVID, the virus will likely be a challenge for years to come

imagine if the idiocy of 1. directly caused the failing 2. and there were some better way

probably be more accurate to say the human hosts are willingly breeding the virus, save a whole lot of bullshit

let’s go, bring on the stupid

Dr Griffin said other new tools being developed — such as intra-nasal vaccines that could reduce the chance of infection and passing the virus on — could also represent a “big step forward”.

He said improving antivirals — which are most effective at reducing severe illness when taken shortly after an infection begins — would also help.

“The ones we’ve used so far have been tremendous in reducing high-risk people progressing to severe disease,” Dr Griffin said. “But better antivirals, better access to antivirals, will also make a huge difference.”

ah yes that must be the best part of the lot, look we have the tools, we have intranasal vaccines, we have improving antivirals

OH WAIT IT’S ALL HYPOTHETICAL AND WE DON’T ¿¡¿¿ OH FUCK WE REALLY DON’T

don’t believe us¿ Fine, go check that link then, did you notice, it’s dated 2022-08-02 and it’s now 2023-01-01 oh fuck

oh fuck

https://twitter.com/AbraarKaran/status/1609067496484794370

https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(22)01531-8

Mrs m now has me confined to one room.

Her COVID is still damn infectious but she’s feeling well enough to wander around and take over the whole of the rest of the house. Without mask.

It takes me two hours of total fresh air outside the house to detox from the COVID virus after being inside.

mollwollfumble said:

Mrs m now has me confined to one room.

Her COVID is still damn infectious but she’s feeling well enough to wander around and take over the whole of the rest of the house. Without mask.

It takes me two hours of total fresh air outside the house to detox from the COVID virus after being inside.

Oh, by the way, mask gets really skanky when wearing masks 24/7. Seven days a week.

¿ remember when students used to connect the power packs in the SCIENCE lab’s up to each others’ braces ?

dental wire, electrical wire, how different can it be

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

communist shill

shills

better headline

CHINA Plays 137-Dimensional Chess Sacrificing 2 Million Elders And 20% Of Its Workforce To Finally Make Racists Around The World Care About COVID-19

more shilling

and communism

mollwollfumble said:

mollwollfumble said:

Mrs m now has me confined to one room.

Her COVID is still damn infectious but she’s feeling well enough to wander around and take over the whole of the rest of the house. Without mask.

It takes me two hours of total fresh air outside the house to detox from the COVID virus after being inside.

Oh, by the way, mask gets really skanky when wearing masks 24/7. Seven days a week.

Do you need someone to send you some masks mollwollfumble?

I have a range of masks. I have N95 disposable masks that I throw out after several uses.

I have a full face mask, and also a mask that is like the one that spray painters and a flo mask as well. I have collected the set. I aim to get good eye coverage as well as when masking.

There are also the options of air purifiers!

With 2 small domestic air cleaners in a single patient room of a hospital ward, 99% of aerosols could be cleared within 5.5 minutes.

https://theconversation.com/we-studied-how-to-reduce-airborne-covid-spread-in-hospitals-heres-what-we-learnt-166018?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=bylinetwitterbutton

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/infection-control-and-hospital-epidemiology/article/abs/use-of-portable-air-cleaners-to-reduce-aerosol-transmission-on-a-hospital-coronavirus-disease-2019-covid19-ward/17C5199D3903ABD465017C34AA741826

DOI: https://doi.org/10.1017/ice.2021.284

good news, not only does SARACAIDS-CoV fuck your T cells

https://www.cell.com/cell-reports/fulltext/S2211-1247(22)01791-0

• SARS-CoV-2-infected cells are inefficiently killed by activated, healthy NK cells
• SARS-CoV-2 strongly downregulates the ligands for the activating receptor NKG2D
• SARS-CoV-2 protein Nsp1 mediates downregulation of NKG2D ligands
• Nsp1 alone is sufficient to confer significant resistance to NK-mediated killing

ahahahaha

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

shills

better headline

CHINA Plays 137-Dimensional Chess Sacrificing 2 Million Elders And 20% Of Its Workforce To Finally Make Racists Around The World Care About COVID-19

more shilling

and communism

though not SARACAIDS-CoV in this case

https://michaelwest.com.au/brexit-britains-political-tragedy-poses-a-dire-warning-for-australia/

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

better headline

CHINA Plays 137-Dimensional Chess Sacrificing 2 Million Elders And 20% Of Its Workforce To Finally Make Racists Around The World Care About COVID-19

more shilling

and communism

though not SARACAIDS-CoV in this case

https://michaelwest.com.au/brexit-britains-political-tragedy-poses-a-dire-warning-for-australia/

I readed that, quite goodly writ from master west

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

more shilling

and communism

though not SARACAIDS-CoV in this case

https://michaelwest.com.au/brexit-britains-political-tragedy-poses-a-dire-warning-for-australia/

I readed that, quite goodly writ from master west

anyway, now everyone’s up to date

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-01/australia-introduces-testing-requirements-for-chinese-travellers/101820078

Mr Butler said the government warmly welcomes visitors from China, and Australia was “well positioned right now in the fight against COVID”.

“This is a measure taken out of an abundance of caution to provide Australians and the Australian government with the best possible information about a fast-evolving situation.”

“The opposition strongly supports any measures that protects the lives and livelihoods of Australians,” opposition health spokeswoman Anne Ruston said.

LOL fucking genius¡

imagine positioning oneself well with measures taken out of an abundance of caution and supporting measures that protects lives and livelihoods

oh wait that herd was bolted 1.5 years ago

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

better headline

LOL

fuck

had me a proper gander there

Australian government announces COVID-19 testing requirements for travellers from China from January 5

And nothing ever happens, nothing happens at all
The needle returns to the start of the song
And we all sing along like before

furious said:

Australian government announces COVID-19 testing requirements for travellers from China from January 5

And nothing ever happens, nothing happens at all
The needle returns to the start of the song
And we all sing along like before

Scapegoats Are Good ¡

SCIENCE said:

furious said:

Australian government announces COVID-19 testing requirements for travellers from China from January 5

And nothing ever happens, nothing happens at all
The needle returns to the start of the song
And we all sing along like before

Scapegoats Are Good ¡

found a new

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/dec/31/sunaks-u-turn-on-china-covid-tests-is-a-political-move-say-scientists

remember when the fucking idiots leading all over told everyone that there would never be any protections restrictions ever again, never ever, and then

when CHINA bad they turned around and chose the shittest restriction to bring in just for

for what

¿¡

LOL

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

furious said:

Australian government announces COVID-19 testing requirements for travellers from China from January 5

And nothing ever happens, nothing happens at all
The needle returns to the start of the song
And we all sing along like before

Scapegoats Are Good ¡

found a new

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/dec/31/sunaks-u-turn-on-china-covid-tests-is-a-political-move-say-scientists

remember when the fucking idiots leading all over told everyone that there would never be any protections restrictions ever again, never ever, and then

when CHINA bad they turned around and chose the shittest restriction to bring in just for

for what

¿¡

SCIENCE said:

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

though not SARACAIDS-CoV in this case

https://michaelwest.com.au/brexit-britains-political-tragedy-poses-a-dire-warning-for-australia/

I readed that, quite goodly writ from master west

anyway, now everyone’s up to date

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-01/australia-introduces-testing-requirements-for-chinese-travellers/101820078

Mr Butler said the government warmly welcomes visitors from China, and Australia was “well positioned right now in the fight against COVID”.

“This is a measure taken out of an abundance of caution to provide Australians and the Australian government with the best possible information about a fast-evolving situation.”

“The opposition strongly supports any measures that protects the lives and livelihoods of Australians,” opposition health spokeswoman Anne Ruston said.

LOL fucking genius¡

imagine positioning oneself well with measures taken out of an abundance of caution and supporting measures that protects lives and livelihoods

oh wait that herd was bolted 1.5 years ago

boom

ahahahahahaha

Nuclear medicine experts have warned desperately needed PET scanners could sit “dormant” in Victoria because there are not enough staff to run them, despite a $44 million investment from the state government in the high-tech machines.

hey look now that dirty nasty CHINA are saying it, it turns out that the pleasant mild comforting COVID-19 whispers are actually wrong

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-02/china-faces-challenges-as-it-transitions-to-living-with-covid/101817236

what a surprise

SCIENCE said:

hey look now that dirty nasty CHINA are saying it, it turns out that the pleasant mild comforting COVID-19 whispers are actually wrong

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-02/china-faces-challenges-as-it-transitions-to-living-with-covid/101817236

what a surprise

am reads that

dear God help us, if the contagion is (large part) the belief it is too contagious to contain

the too-contagious-to-contain-mind-virus

“..nationwide anti-lockdown protests..”

the ‘protest’ cough certainly has not been restricted to inside china, not a few external to china have been wishing it on china, keen on covid equality, anywhere and everywhere dah dah der der

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

hey look now that dirty nasty CHINA are saying it, it turns out that the pleasant mild comforting COVID-19 whispers are actually wrong

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-02/china-faces-challenges-as-it-transitions-to-living-with-covid/101817236

what a surprise

am reads that

dear God help us, if the contagion is (large part) the belief it is too contagious to contain

the too-contagious-to-contain-mind-virus

“..nationwide anti-lockdown protests..”

the ‘protest’ cough certainly has not been restricted to inside china, not a few external to china have been wishing it on china, keen on covid equality, anywhere and everywhere dah dah der der

“if”

Fuck, the number of times the proinfection lobby have told us it’s inevitable and necessary, fuck.

just reading this below, you master science perhaps posted it previous, very interesting I finkies
https://www.cell.com/cell-reports/fulltext/S2211-1247%2822%2901791-0

transition said:

just reading this below, you master science perhaps posted it previous, very interesting I finkies
https://www.cell.com/cell-reports/fulltext/S2211-1247%2822%2901791-0

written by a bunch of dirty ASIANS, pure propaganda

more communist shills

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2022/12/31/cdc-director-tweets-we-cant-stop-the-spread-of-covid-19-heres-the-pushback-on-this-claim/

Like The South Asian Part Of Empire, Like Mainland Empire ¡

SCIENCE said:

more communist shills

oh c’m‘on everyone knows it was a bioweapons laboratory leak

again

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

more communist shills

again

No, But This Is Voluntary Silencation¡

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

more communist shills

oh c’m‘on everyone knows it was a bioweapons laboratory leak

again

I guess if you unnaturally devolve responsibility into complete oblivion, even beyond what appears respectable to capitalist darwinist libertarians…

on a more serious note, and that last one was very serious, I might add couple things

while china was successfully containing covid in the most extreme conditions, while the rest of the world proceeded to let it loose and breed it all around them, china remained an obstacle to the final solution to the pandemic, an obstacle to denial there is an even bigger pandemic, a superpandemic, which is meant to devolve into happy endemicity

how you suppose to deem a pandemic over if there’s a rather large unignorable example of covid being containable, how inconvenient is such an example

possibly some tit for tat also in the more libertarian countries wishing covid on china, then in return it’s like well here you go, have some of your liberal covid back, then nah we don’t want that, we surely didn’t wish it on you(china)

probably worth remembering there is something of a cold war in play, an ideological war, and military buildup

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

more communist shills

oh c’m‘on everyone knows it was a bioweapons laboratory leak

again

I guess if you unnaturally devolve responsibility into complete oblivion, even beyond what appears respectable to capitalist darwinist libertarians…

on a more serious note, and that last one was very serious, I might add couple things

while china was successfully containing covid in the most extreme conditions, while the rest of the world proceeded to let it loose and breed it all around them, china remained an obstacle to the final solution to the pandemic, an obstacle to denial there is an even bigger pandemic, a superpandemic, which is meant to devolve into happy endemicity

how you suppose to deem a pandemic over if there’s a rather large unignorable example of covid being containable, how inconvenient is such an example

possibly some tit for tat also in the more libertarian countries wishing covid on china, then in return it’s like well here you go, have some of your liberal covid back, then nah we don’t want that, we surely didn’t wish it on you(china)

probably worth remembering there is something of a cold war in play, an ideological war, and military buildup

FUCK CHINA they obviously

didn’t proximately cause this latest, since travel restrictions are stopping them

SCIENCE said:

when governments encourage dropping masks the community walks away from commonsense prophylaxis (to various extents), people gravitate toward not wearing them, and not doing other things, I mean for example if a person didn’t care to wear a mask while shopping they may also relax care about hand hygiene, and good for them free country and all that

i’m not sure people are likely to keep doing the right thing indefinitely with a highly contagious respiratory (of transmission) infection like covid, given swapping air is part of speaking to each other, and emotional expression and whatever involve the face and mouth, and of course going out to eat requires taking them off, as does having a beer at the pub

as things go its easier to ignore mass injury and deaths than to maintain the care, and suffer the inconvenience of caring too much

all true of course if containment fails to contain and eliminate, and it’s not completely faded from my mind (yet) that south australia up until late last year had contained it, kept it out, large part of the effort of keeping it out was in response to those that were happy to bring it in, even enthusiastic to bring it in, sort of the equivalent of arsonists in some way, possibly worse

anyway for sure the human big brain evolved a cleverness for respectable not-caring, ways to make it respectable, where practical, or expedient

and here the we are in this paradoxical world, all interconnected free to travel the global village, the very thing that makes beating covid impossible, and you’re all given instructions to live with it, you have no choice, the virus did it

and it did, and didn’t

the virus, sort of helps you forget what the concept of host is, hell you may not even need a working concept at all, the ‘education’ has been so successful

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

when governments encourage dropping masks the community walks away from commonsense prophylaxis (to various extents), people gravitate toward not wearing them, and not doing other things, I mean for example if a person didn’t care to wear a mask while shopping they may also relax care about hand hygiene, and good for them free country and all that

i’m not sure people are likely to keep doing the right thing indefinitely with a highly contagious respiratory (of transmission) infection like covid, given swapping air is part of speaking to each other, and emotional expression and whatever involve the face and mouth, and of course going out to eat requires taking them off, as does having a beer at the pub

as things go its easier to ignore mass injury and deaths than to maintain the care, and suffer the inconvenience of caring too much

all true of course if containment fails to contain and eliminate, and it’s not completely faded from my mind (yet) that south australia up until late last year had contained it, kept it out, large part of the effort of keeping it out was in response to those that were happy to bring it in, even enthusiastic to bring it in, sort of the equivalent of arsonists in some way, possibly worse

anyway for sure the human big brain evolved a cleverness for respectable not-caring, ways to make it respectable, where practical, or expedient

and here the we are in this paradoxical world, all interconnected free to travel the global village, the very thing that makes beating covid impossible, and you’re all given instructions to live with it, you have no choice, the virus did it

and it did, and didn’t

the virus, sort of helps you forget what the concept of host is, hell you may not even need a working concept at all, the ‘education’ has been so successful

>that south australia up until late last year

make that the year before, i’m catching up, need get adjusted to writing the date 2023

transition said:

i’m catching up

wait up wait up it seems the rest of the world are catching up too

apparently infection illness disability death are bad for The Economy Must Grow but only in dirty backward CHINA of course

tell you what else is consistent with a lot of other countries, following in the footsteps of fascism is, it’s never happened before

source was https://www.theguardian.com/global/live/2023/jan/02/australia-news-floods-the-voice-liberal-labor-coalition-weather apologies for not include

I think Mrs m is less infectious today.

Good thing because I’m running out of masks again.

She caught COVID on either 23rd or 25th Dec.
Positive rat test 26th Dec. Then again 31st December.
Still highly infectious yesterday.

I tested clear yesterday.

Let’s see what OWID says about COVID in China.

Aha, no reporting of COVID data by China since 25th December.
I told you the Chinese government wasn’t lying. They wouldn’t lie. Just omitting the truth.

mollwollfumble said:

I think Mrs m is less infectious today.

Good thing because I’m running out of masks again.

She caught COVID on either 23rd or 25th Dec.
Positive rat test 26th Dec. Then again 31st December.
Still highly infectious yesterday.

I tested clear yesterday.

Let’s see what OWID says about COVID in China.

Aha, no reporting of COVID data by China since 25th December.
I told you the Chinese government wasn’t lying. They wouldn’t lie. Just omitting the truth.

How are you defining “infectious”? Snotty and sneezy?

mollwollfumble said:

I think Mrs m is less infectious today.

Good thing because I’m running out of masks again.

She caught COVID on either 23rd or 25th Dec.
Positive rat test 26th Dec. Then again 31st December.
Still highly infectious yesterday.

I tested clear yesterday.

Let’s see what OWID says about COVID in China.

Aha, no reporting of COVID data by China since 25th December.
I told you the Chinese government wasn’t lying. They wouldn’t lie. Just omitting the truth.

It takes a few days between infection and positive RAT and/or symptomatic, usually 3-5 days. If she became aware of it on the 26th, then the likely infection date was the 23rd.

Dark Orange said:

mollwollfumble said:

I think Mrs m is less infectious today.

Good thing because I’m running out of masks again.

She caught COVID on either 23rd or 25th Dec.
Positive rat test 26th Dec. Then again 31st December.
Still highly infectious yesterday.

I tested clear yesterday.

Let’s see what OWID says about COVID in China.

Aha, no reporting of COVID data by China since 25th December.
I told you the Chinese government wasn’t lying. They wouldn’t lie. Just omitting the truth.

It takes a few days between infection and positive RAT and/or symptomatic, usually 3-5 days. If she became aware of it on the 26th, then the likely infection date was the 23rd.

Just like a cold or flu…you spread it before you know you’ve got it. Not much is new under the sun, is it.

buffy said:

mollwollfumble said:

I think Mrs m is less infectious today.

Good thing because I’m running out of masks again.

She caught COVID on either 23rd or 25th Dec.
Positive rat test 26th Dec. Then again 31st December.
Still highly infectious yesterday.

I tested clear yesterday.

Let’s see what OWID says about COVID in China.

Aha, no reporting of COVID data by China since 25th December.
I told you the Chinese government wasn’t lying. They wouldn’t lie. Just omitting the truth.

How are you defining “infectious”? Snotty and sneezy?

Giving me a runny nose if I breathe in through my nose and a sore throat if I breathe in through my mouth. I’m a sensitive virus detector.

In fact, I’m so sensitive that when I do something to kill off the virus in my nose or throat before it takes hold, I can hear the virus screaming.

OK, so perhaps psychosomatic, but I think it’s a mix of psychosomatic and somatic.

ah well we did say before, they’re actually called rapid antigen RAT tests, guess you can’t have enough redundancy

mollwollfumble said:

buffy said:

mollwollfumble said:

I think Mrs m is less infectious today.

Good thing because I’m running out of masks again.

She caught COVID on either 23rd or 25th Dec.
Positive rat test 26th Dec. Then again 31st December.
Still highly infectious yesterday.

I tested clear yesterday.

Let’s see what OWID says about COVID in China.

Aha, no reporting of COVID data by China since 25th December.
I told you the Chinese government wasn’t lying. They wouldn’t lie. Just omitting the truth.

How are you defining “infectious”? Snotty and sneezy?

Giving me a runny nose if I breathe in through my nose and a sore throat if I breathe in through my mouth. I’m a sensitive virus detector.

In fact, I’m so sensitive that when I do something to kill off the virus in my nose or throat before it takes hold, I can hear the virus screaming.

OK, so perhaps psychosomatic, but I think it’s a mix of psychosomatic and somatic.

For a person attuned to a virus attack, the sensitivity to virus attack can be just as good as sensing a mosquito bite. They’re both pain.

https://www.afr.com/world/asia/covid-19-wave-a-challenge-for-china-and-the-world-20230102-p5c9v6

read that^

always opportunity for a humiliation

oh all right then

Authorities then ordered the Viking Orion’s agent to have its hull cleaned before entering Australian waters. “The vessel is required to undergo hull cleaning to remove the biofoul and prevent potentially harmful marine organisms being transported by the vessel,” the federal fisheries department said in a statement over the weekend.

what about actually harmful intracellular organisms being transported by all the empty vessels on the vessel sorry we mean infected human hosts

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-02/cruise-ship-stranded-south-australia-melbourne-marine-growth/101822590

imagine a world where CHINA is the place doing the right thing for 3 years

despite overwhelmingly heavy idiot pressure from pretty much everywhere else for 2 years

oh all right they fucked it for at least the last 1 years

and then finally at the end of it the pressure of all that bullshit is enough, and they capitulate, and go all in on the wrong thing

and it takes CHINA going all in on the wrong thing to actually start turning this shit ship around

fuck

SCIENCE said:

imagine a world where CHINA is the place doing the right thing for 3 years

despite overwhelmingly heavy idiot pressure from pretty much everywhere else for 2 years

oh all right they fucked it for at least the last 1 years

and then finally at the end of it the pressure of all that bullshit is enough, and they capitulate, and go all in on the wrong thing

and it takes CHINA going all in on the wrong thing to actually start turning this shit ship around

fuck

What they did wrong is to fail to achieve high vax rates before opening up.

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

imagine a world where CHINA is the place doing the right thing for 3 years

despite overwhelmingly heavy idiot pressure from pretty much everywhere else for 2 years

oh all right they fucked it for at least the last 1 years

and then finally at the end of it the pressure of all that bullshit is enough, and they capitulate, and go all in on the wrong thing

and it takes CHINA going all in on the wrong thing to actually start turning this shit ship around

fuck

What they did wrong is to fail to achieve high vax rates before opening up.

shrug hey we(1,1,1) can agree to disagree, we(1,0,0) are confident they could have won with 0 vaccination

what they did wrong is misinform their public and fail to inform on the actual effective (and personal slash individual) measures id est P2 or better masks

SCIENCE said:

we(1,0,0) are confident they could have won with 0 vaccination

That’s crazy.

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

imagine a world where CHINA is the place doing the right thing for 3 years

despite overwhelmingly heavy idiot pressure from pretty much everywhere else for 2 years

oh all right they fucked it for at least the last 1 years

and then finally at the end of it the pressure of all that bullshit is enough, and they capitulate, and go all in on the wrong thing

and it takes CHINA going all in on the wrong thing to actually start turning this shit ship around

fuck

What they did wrong is to fail to achieve high vax rates before opening up.

Yeah. It is quite simple really. Lockdowns buy you time to get the vaccine roll-outs done.

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

we(1,0,0) are confident they could have won with 0 vaccination

That’s crazy.

shrug not like it was needed for SARS-CoV-1, we’re not saying it won’t help, we’re saying it’s not where the big gains are

party_pants said:

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

imagine a world where CHINA is the place doing the right thing for 3 years

despite overwhelmingly heavy idiot pressure from pretty much everywhere else for 2 years

oh all right they fucked it for at least the last 1 years

and then finally at the end of it the pressure of all that bullshit is enough, and they capitulate, and go all in on the wrong thing

and it takes CHINA going all in on the wrong thing to actually start turning this shit ship around

fuck

What they did wrong is to fail to achieve high vax rates before opening up.

Yeah. It is quite simple really. Lockdowns buy you time to get the vaccine roll-outs done.

but more importantly and for far greater benefit for cost, they buy you time to get the education and mask supply and air cleaning systems done

LOL

nice

anyway we’re just going to put it out there that to prevent burgulars and squatters and all that, we know which part of this defence in depth we’re going to rely on

1. locked doors and windows, or other methods of preventing access such as grilles, oh all right we’ll allow for external LAWs if you insist
2. innate and adaptive alarm systems, including door alarms and movement sensors but also machine learning to recognise friend or foe, and even possibly activation of traps in the home to neutralise the criminal … uh criminal activity we mean
3. safekeeps and decoys and excess items of value, which mean the criminal might have to carry something heavy, or end up carrying the wrong thing sometimes, or just get confused at how many beautiful things they could try and keep and lose their way and forget that they need to get out

yeah but everyone knows that NZ are just CHINA shills

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/experts-raise-concerns-as-new-xbb15-covid-strain-rips-through-us-and-uk/53LISVYUYJGF7EUP572K5XYA3I/

LOL

party_pants said:

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

imagine a world where CHINA is the place doing the right thing for 3 years

despite overwhelmingly heavy idiot pressure from pretty much everywhere else for 2 years

oh all right they fucked it for at least the last 1 years

and then finally at the end of it the pressure of all that bullshit is enough, and they capitulate, and go all in on the wrong thing

and it takes CHINA going all in on the wrong thing to actually start turning this shit ship around

fuck

What they did wrong is to fail to achieve high vax rates before opening up.

Yeah. It is quite simple really. Lockdowns buy you time to get the vaccine roll-outs done.

i’d reckon the details of what ‘opening up’ looks like exactly are in the making, evolving if you like, i’d expect the virus has the advantage with the host numbers, willing hosts

I mean if what’s happening was thought of as a massive vaccine trial, fast-tracked trial, maybe start with that conceptualization, it’s not a guaranteed friendly outcome, probably requires blinding hope to persist entirely reliant on vaccines

SCIENCE said:

LOL

public were disinclined from doing basic prophylaxis commensurate with, in response to the threat

people do stuff all the time to avoid injury and illness, but of covid were misled into a fast-tracked mass vaccine trial as savior

which in no small part is a failure, the excessive reliance on

transition said:

misled into a fast-tracked mass vaccine trial as savior

which in no small part is a failure, the excessive reliance on

Surely not, no, masks are like the devil¡

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-03/chief-medical-officer-opposed-mandatory-covid-test-china-travel/101822918

SCIENCE said:

transition said:

misled into a fast-tracked mass vaccine trial as savior

which in no small part is a failure, the excessive reliance on

Surely not, no, masks are like the devil¡

well, once upon a time the propensity for deceptions was known, the expediency of minds was recognized, culture inclined moral improvement at its best, useful self-reflection, but somewhere along the way the expediency became the raw material to buy and sell things, a market or markets if you will, helped along by darwinist notions, or more like herbert spencer and francis galton maybe, darwin’s probably turning in his grave

Michael V said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-03/chief-medical-officer-opposed-mandatory-covid-test-china-travel/101822918

so the saving grace is that the voice is not as racist as some, but less wise to good medical practice than others

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

transition said:

misled into a fast-tracked mass vaccine trial as savior

which in no small part is a failure, the excessive reliance on

Surely not, no, masks are like the devil¡

well, once upon a time the propensity for deceptions was known, the expediency of minds was recognized, culture inclined moral improvement at its best, useful self-reflection, but somewhere along the way the expediency became the raw material to buy and sell things, a market or markets if you will, helped along by darwinist notions, or more like herbert spencer and francis galton maybe, darwin’s probably turning in his grave

look, why have media literacy and awareness of message manipulation, when you can jump on board and make a short term profit by going along with it

oh wait here’s a so-called “expert” who probably knows nothing, what did we say

SCIENCE said:

oh wait here’s a so-called “expert” who probably knows nothing, what did we say

SCIENCE said:

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

Surely not, no, masks are like the devil¡

well, once upon a time the propensity for deceptions was known, the expediency of minds was recognized, culture inclined moral improvement at its best, useful self-reflection, but somewhere along the way the expediency became the raw material to buy and sell things, a market or markets if you will, helped along by darwinist notions, or more like herbert spencer and francis galton maybe, darwin’s probably turning in his grave

look, why have media literacy and awareness of message manipulation, when you can jump on board and make a short term profit by going along with it

oh wait here’s a so-called “expert” who probably knows nothing, what did we say

I’m assuming monetary factors and losing votes faith is the main reasons

SCIENCE said:

LOL

ahahahahahahahahahaha

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/jan/02/senior-uk-health-official-warns-of-unsafe-and-undignified-care-caused-by-a-and-e-delays

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

LOL

ahahahahahahahahahaha

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/jan/02/senior-uk-health-official-warns-of-unsafe-and-undignified-care-caused-by-a-and-e-delays

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/jan/02/intolerable-nhs-crisis-to-continue-until-april-health-leaders-warn

SCIENCE said:

imagine a world where CHINA is the place doing the right thing for 3 years

despite overwhelmingly heavy idiot pressure from pretty much everywhere else for 2 years

oh all right they fucked it for at least the last 1 years

and then finally at the end of it the pressure of all that bullshit is enough, and they capitulate, and go all in on the wrong thing

and it takes CHINA going all in on the wrong thing to actually start turning this shit ship around

fuck

I love Dr Noor Bari! She is beautiful in her alternating rage and gentle explanations!

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

imagine a world where CHINA is the place doing the right thing for 3 years

despite overwhelmingly heavy idiot pressure from pretty much everywhere else for 2 years

oh all right they fucked it for at least the last 1 years

and then finally at the end of it the pressure of all that bullshit is enough, and they capitulate, and go all in on the wrong thing

and it takes CHINA going all in on the wrong thing to actually start turning this shit ship around

fuck

What they did wrong is to fail to achieve high vax rates before opening up.

It think it is a very clever but diabolical strategy. People protest. Let the virus rip, those that were protesting with get the virus first and a whole lot of the unvaccinated and elderly die. Folks will think twice about protesting again in future. If any of the current protestors will still be alive.

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

transition said:

well, once upon a time the propensity for deceptions was known, the expediency of minds was recognized, culture inclined moral improvement at its best, useful self-reflection, but somewhere along the way the expediency became the raw material to buy and sell things, a market or markets if you will, helped along by darwinist notions, or more like herbert spencer and francis galton maybe, darwin’s probably turning in his grave

look, why have media literacy and awareness of message manipulation, when you can jump on board and make a short term profit by going along with it

oh wait here’s a so-called “expert” who probably knows nothing, what did we say

I’m assuming monetary factors and losing votes faith is the main reasons

the worldists committed to a notion that a mass vaccine trial of global scale would alone suppress covid effectively enough, however plenty evidence emerged it wasn’t alone effective enough, that the program was more like religious faith, certainly required the instruments of ideology, and thereafter more of the same was the answer, so that all might by suspended by ideology, yield willingly to being (more so) a contemporary social construction, the happy raw materials

a century or more ago it might have been eugenics, social darwinist ideas that ventured into social and political philosophy, if you generalize the idea today you might call it fitnessism, immunologicalism, pharmacologicalism, biotechnologism, whatever make something up for the thought exercise, brave a new word formulation

whatever, don’t dare challenge your darwinian friend capitalism, the ideology, the devices, the good work

transition said:

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

look, why have media literacy and awareness of message manipulation, when you can jump on board and make a short term profit by going along with it

oh wait here’s a so-called “expert” who probably knows nothing, what did we say

I’m assuming monetary factors and losing votes faith is the main reasons

the worldists committed to a notion that a mass vaccine trial of global scale would alone suppress covid effectively enough, however plenty evidence emerged it wasn’t alone effective enough, that the program was more like religious faith, certainly required the instruments of ideology, and thereafter more of the same was the answer, so that all might by suspended by ideology, yield willingly to being (more so) a contemporary social construction, the happy raw materials

a century or more ago it might have been eugenics, social darwinist ideas that ventured into social and political philosophy, if you generalize the idea today you might call it fitnessism, immunologicalism, pharmacologicalism, biotechnologism, whatever make something up for the thought exercise, brave a new word formulation

whatever, don’t dare challenge your darwinian friend capitalism, the ideology, the devices, the good work

If humanity never developed vaccines, antibiotics, etc and left survival to what you were born with I wonder what the world would be like.

Cymek said:

transition said:

Cymek said:

I’m assuming monetary factors and losing votes faith is the main reasons

the worldists committed to a notion that a mass vaccine trial of global scale would alone suppress covid effectively enough, however plenty evidence emerged it wasn’t alone effective enough, that the program was more like religious faith, certainly required the instruments of ideology, and thereafter more of the same was the answer, so that all might by suspended by ideology, yield willingly to being (more so) a contemporary social construction, the happy raw materials

a century or more ago it might have been eugenics, social darwinist ideas that ventured into social and political philosophy, if you generalize the idea today you might call it fitnessism, immunologicalism, pharmacologicalism, biotechnologism, whatever make something up for the thought exercise, brave a new word formulation

whatever, don’t dare challenge your darwinian friend capitalism, the ideology, the devices, the good work

If humanity never developed vaccines, antibiotics, etc and left survival to what you were born with I wonder what the world would be like.

you be watching a lot of oozing infections, misery, and death, plenty incentive in that for it to be otherwise

Michael V said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-03/chief-medical-officer-opposed-mandatory-covid-test-china-travel/101822918

I want to kill these appalling people. I would do it painlessly, but I want him dead. Just appalling.

ms spock said:

Michael V said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-03/chief-medical-officer-opposed-mandatory-covid-test-china-travel/101822918

I want to kill these appalling people. I would do it painlessly, but I want him dead. Just appalling.

What’s appalling is ypu wanting to kill someone who is just doing their job.

Peak Warming Man said:

ms spock said:

Michael V said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-03/chief-medical-officer-opposed-mandatory-covid-test-china-travel/101822918

I want to kill these appalling people. I would do it painlessly, but I want him dead. Just appalling.

What’s appalling is ypu wanting to kill someone who is just doing their job.

I am appalling. It is so true. I AM ALSO SO ANGRY!

He shouldn’t be talking about testing folks from China, he should be making sure that everyone gets tested as they enter the country.

He could be running a public health campaigns for a Swiss Cheese approach. Belgium legislated ventilation in all their buildlings. Singapores “Living with Covid” was everyone 6 years and older wearing masks indoors and out. Sinpagore had Citizen Science tracking of infections and breakouts. Taiwan paid everyone helping with quarantine more than enough so they wouldn’t do a second or third job and spread the virus. My friends in Taiwan have an app and get two free masks per week and the app works and they can go and pick their free mask up where they are currently stocked. There’s so many things he could be doing to actually prevent the coming Covid waves and he has not. Prof Raina MacIntyre released her professional development from April 2020 and it seems he hasn’t bothered to do even the basics.

HE IS NOT DOING HIS JOB!

/end of ranting

ms spock said:

Michael V said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-03/chief-medical-officer-opposed-mandatory-covid-test-china-travel/101822918

I want to kill these appalling people. I would do it painlessly, but I want him dead. Just appalling.

The appalling people you are referring to being the federal government?

ms spock said:

Peak Warming Man said:

ms spock said:

I want to kill these appalling people. I would do it painlessly, but I want him dead. Just appalling.

What’s appalling is ypu wanting to kill someone who is just doing their job.

I am appalling. It is so true. I AM ALSO SO ANGRY!

He shouldn’t be talking about testing folks from China, he should be making sure that everyone gets tested as they enter the country.

He could be running a public health campaigns for a Swiss Cheese approach. Belgium legislated ventilation in all their buildlings. Singapores “Living with Covid” was everyone 6 years and older wearing masks indoors and out. Sinpagore had Citizen Science tracking of infections and breakouts. Taiwan paid everyone helping with quarantine more than enough so they wouldn’t do a second or third job and spread the virus. My friends in Taiwan have an app and get two free masks per week and the app works and they can go and pick their free mask up where they are currently stocked. There’s so many things he could be doing to actually prevent the coming Covid waves and he has not. Prof Raina MacIntyre released her professional development from April 2020 and it seems he hasn’t bothered to do even the basics.

HE IS NOT DOING HIS JOB!

/end of ranting

Damn right!

Oh, and I just finished cutting the grass. I’ll have some of that lovely mince you made, for dinner.

transition said:

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

look, why have media literacy and awareness of message manipulation, when you can jump on board and make a short term profit by going along with it

oh wait here’s a so-called “expert” who probably knows nothing, what did we say

I’m assuming monetary factors and losing votes faith is the main reasons

the worldists committed to a notion that a mass vaccine trial of global scale would alone suppress covid effectively enough, however plenty evidence emerged it wasn’t alone effective enough, that the program was more like religious faith, certainly required the instruments of ideology, and thereafter more of the same was the answer, so that all might by suspended by ideology, yield willingly to being (more so) a contemporary social construction, the happy raw materials

a century or more ago it might have been eugenics, social darwinist ideas that ventured into social and political philosophy, if you generalize the idea today you might call it fitnessism, immunologicalism, pharmacologicalism, biotechnologism, whatever make something up for the thought exercise, brave a new word formulation

whatever, don’t dare challenge your darwinian friend capitalism, the ideology, the devices, the good work

Scared folks buy more stuff…

I think it was only a few countries with particular media ownership that posited vaccines only.

A lot of folks didn’t have a lot of money or resources. So they had to get creative.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/05/health/coronavirus-swiss-cheese-infection-mackay.html

In Vietnam they had nurses who trained volunteers that went door to door to educate about all the strategies to prevent spread because they didn’t have the luxury of first world medicine. They group tested streets and when a positive came in they assisted that particular street. I know someone who was in lockdown in Vietnam and they had their groceries delivered either by police or the army. No outdoor exercising or shopping. In lockdown longer than Melbourne but Asians and their success with masks doesn’t seem to factor much into the Australian media.

In South Korea one medical expert was to talk about Covid with the media and there were strict rules about disposing of Covid infected bodies, masks were available for everyone and he was an expert that has done everything from AIDs to Ebola.

You Need To Listen To This Leading COVID-19 Expert From South Korea | STAY CURIOUS #15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAk7aX5hksU
You can see him get greyer and greyer as the pandemic progressed.

Icelandic Prime Minister Katrín Jakobsdóttir left it to three medical professionals, who had an ongoing radio programme on Covid and said she didn’t want herself or any politicians to be commenting on Covid because it was too serious an issue to play politics about.

Outside of Australia there have been so many Covid responses and it’s such a shame we could have used so many of them.

sibeen said:

ms spock said:

Michael V said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-03/chief-medical-officer-opposed-mandatory-covid-test-china-travel/101822918

I want to kill these appalling people. I would do it painlessly, but I want him dead. Just appalling.

The appalling people you are referring to being the federal government?

I was having a moment. I really don’t want to kill anyone! I was being dramatic! Find it difficult to inflict pain. Maybe get a cartoon cannon and fire them comically into the sun?

I could water pistol them and deny them chocolate for 30 days?

OMG Morrison’s gone and he has freed up a lot of time by not having 5 ministeries, but Albo is a disappointment, not even wearing masks whilst out and about.

Heartbreaking stuff.

All the kids could make Corsi–Rosenthal Box boxes for each classroom as part of their Science projects. There’s so much that could be done.

Even protecting our Health Care Workers – so worth doing…

Look 2 air filters run in a room in a hospital can remove 99% of the virus in 5.5 minutes. How many infections could that prevent?

https://theconversation.com/we-studied-how-to-reduce-airborne-covid-spread-in-hospitals-heres-what-we-learnt-166018?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=bylinetwitterbutton

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/infection-control-and-hospital-epidemiology/article/abs/use-of-portable-air-cleaners-to-reduce-aerosol-transmission-on-a-hospital-coronavirus-disease-2019-covid19-ward/17C5199D3903ABD465017C34AA7418

I am so upset at what is not being done. It has hurt my heart and soul. So many countries don’t have many options. There is no excuse for throwing out Public Health.

Spiny Norman said:

ms spock said:

Peak Warming Man said:

What’s appalling is ypu wanting to kill someone who is just doing their job.

I am appalling. It is so true. I AM ALSO SO ANGRY!

He shouldn’t be talking about testing folks from China, he should be making sure that everyone gets tested as they enter the country.

He could be running a public health campaigns for a Swiss Cheese approach. Belgium legislated ventilation in all their buildlings. Singapores “Living with Covid” was everyone 6 years and older wearing masks indoors and out. Sinpagore had Citizen Science tracking of infections and breakouts. Taiwan paid everyone helping with quarantine more than enough so they wouldn’t do a second or third job and spread the virus. My friends in Taiwan have an app and get two free masks per week and the app works and they can go and pick their free mask up where they are currently stocked. There’s so many things he could be doing to actually prevent the coming Covid waves and he has not. Prof Raina MacIntyre released her professional development from April 2020 and it seems he hasn’t bothered to do even the basics.

HE IS NOT DOING HIS JOB!

/end of ranting

Damn right!

Oh, and I just finished cutting the grass. I’ll have some of that lovely mince you made, for dinner.

You are a silly billy!

ms spock said:

sibeen said:

ms spock said:

I want to kill these appalling people. I would do it painlessly, but I want him dead. Just appalling.

The appalling people you are referring to being the federal government?

but Albo is a disappointment, not even wearing masks whilst out and about.

. There is no excuse for throwing out Public Health.

I mean mask restrictions have been out for a while now…

ms spock said:

sibeen said:

ms spock said:

I want to kill these appalling people. I would do it painlessly, but I want him dead. Just appalling.

The appalling people you are referring to being the federal government?

I was having a moment. I really don’t want to kill anyone! I was being dramatic! Find it difficult to inflict pain. Maybe get a cartoon cannon and fire them comically into the sun?

I could water pistol them and deny them chocolate for 30 days?

OMG Morrison’s gone and he has freed up a lot of time by not having 5 ministeries, but Albo is a disappointment, not even wearing masks whilst out and about.

we’d settle for all of them having to resign in disgrace, the historical record being honest, and bringing some actual decent “representatives” / figureheads / mouthpieces and experts to replace them

Arts said:

ms spock said:

sibeen said:

The appalling people you are referring to being the federal government?

but Albo is a disappointment, not even wearing masks whilst out and about.

. There is no excuse for throwing out Public Health.

I mean mask restrictions have been out for a while now…

And the restrictions were state mandated, not federal.

Arts said:

ms spock said:

sibeen said:

The appalling people you are referring to being the federal government?

but Albo is a disappointment, not even wearing masks whilst out and about.

. There is no excuse for throwing out Public Health.

I mean mask restrictions have been out for a while now…

It is true that mask protections have been removed in some countries but there’s a lot of countries that are still wearing them.

All my friends living in Asia wear masks every day.

My friends that teach in Taiwan wear masks and so do all their students. Wearing a mask is an honour you do to take care of yourself, your family, your community and your country.

Singapore’s was reported in the Australian media as “Living with Covid” but they omitted the fact that meant every person 6 years and older wearing masks indoors and outdoors.

ms spock said:

Arts said:

ms spock said:

but Albo is a disappointment, not even wearing masks whilst out and about.

. There is no excuse for throwing out Public Health.

I mean mask restrictions have been out for a while now…

It is true that mask protections have been removed in some countries but there’s a lot of countries that are still wearing them.

All my friends living in Asia wear masks every day.

My friends that teach in Taiwan wear masks and so do all their students. Wearing a mask is an honour you do to take care of yourself, your family, your community and your country.

Singapore’s was reported in the Australian media as “Living with Covid” but they omitted the fact that meant every person 6 years and older wearing masks indoors and outdoors.

also many people living in Asia wore masks long before covid.. but the nice thing is that even without the mask mandate, if you want to wear them to take care of yourself, your family and your community.. no one is stopping you.. but those who choose not to wear a mask are not doing anything wrong in a legal sense… we can’t be starting to vilify people for making their choices in a non acute moment in health time

Arts said:

ms spock said:

Arts said:

I mean mask restrictions have been out for a while now…

It is true that mask protections have been removed in some countries but there’s a lot of countries that are still wearing them.

All my friends living in Asia wear masks every day.

My friends that teach in Taiwan wear masks and so do all their students. Wearing a mask is an honour you do to take care of yourself, your family, your community and your country.

Singapore’s was reported in the Australian media as “Living with Covid” but they omitted the fact that meant every person 6 years and older wearing masks indoors and outdoors.

also many people living in Asia wore masks long before covid.. but the nice thing is that even without the mask mandate, if you want to wear them to take care of yourself, your family and your community.. no one is stopping you.. but those who choose not to wear a mask are not doing anything wrong in a legal sense… we can’t be starting to vilify people for making their choices in a non acute moment in health time

China started recommending masks for COVID in Jan 2020, even before the first incidence of person to person transmission was recorded. Australia was way too late.

Of course Albo is a disappointment. We could see that the moment he first opened his mouth on the TV news. He hasn’t really got two brain cells to rub together. But that still makes him better than Abbott and Howard.

Arts said:

ms spock said:

Arts said:

I mean mask restrictions have been out for a while now…

It is true that mask protections have been removed in some countries but there’s a lot of countries that are still wearing them.

All my friends living in Asia wear masks every day.

My friends that teach in Taiwan wear masks and so do all their students. Wearing a mask is an honour you do to take care of yourself, your family, your community and your country.

Singapore’s was reported in the Australian media as “Living with Covid” but they omitted the fact that meant every person 6 years and older wearing masks indoors and outdoors.

also many people living in Asia wore masks long before covid.. but the nice thing is that even without the mask mandate, if you want to wear them to take care of yourself, your family and your community.. no one is stopping you.. but those who choose not to wear a mask are not doing anything wrong in a legal sense… we can’t be starting to vilify people for making their choices in a non acute moment in health time

you’re right, we can simply be continuing to call them out for increasing risk, truthfully and honestly

ms spock said:

It is true that mask protections have been removed in some countries but there’s a lot of countries that are still wearing them.

All my friends living in Asia wear masks every day.

My friends that teach in Taiwan wear masks and so do all their students. Wearing a mask is an honour you do to take care of yourself, your family, your community and your country.

Singapore’s was reported in the Australian media as “Living with Covid” but they omitted the fact that meant every person 6 years and older wearing masks indoors and outdoors.

In fairness a lot of people wore masks in Singapore long before Covid-19. Just any old day of the week about half the people in the street would be wearing a mask.

oh but it is, it is well over

the previous levels

same old CHINA we’ve all known for 30 years, plagiarism, copyright violations, nothing original, nothing innovative, just mass production and export

LOL

Next we’ll be hearing that CHINA failed by not waiting until they had good access to antiviral medications that do a world of good ¡

We Have All The Tools ¡

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/jan/03/paxlovid-last-drug-in-the-cupboard-for-covid-as-variants-in-australia-evade-other-treatments

All One Of Them Which Only Helps If You Didn’t Get Shot Anyway

LOL

LOL

actual LOL though

to temper our bad news and nasty tone, here, please enjoy some cuts from the “people” we call arseholes instead

! when it’s everyone’s fault, it’s nobody’s fault ¡

mollwollfumble said:

China started recommending masks for COVID in Jan 2020, even before the first incidence of

fuck, dude, did anyone even realise that bushfire smoke is full of particles that masks can filter, oh wait were there any bushfires just before the 2020 surprise

ms spock said:

He could be running a public health campaigns for a Swiss Cheese approach. Belgium legislated ventilation in all their buildlings. Singapores “Living with Covid” was everyone 6 years and older wearing masks indoors and out. Sinpagore had Citizen Science tracking of infections and breakouts. Taiwan paid everyone helping with quarantine more than enough so they wouldn’t do a second or third job and spread the virus. My friends in Taiwan have an app and get two free masks per week and the app works and they can go and pick their free mask up where they are currently stocked. There’s so many things he could be doing to actually prevent the coming Covid waves and he has not. Prof Raina MacIntyre released her professional development from April 2020 and it seems he hasn’t bothered to do even the basics.

oh wait up

nah USUKAU know best, it’s obvious

SCIENCE said:

ms spock said:

He could be running a public health campaigns for a Swiss Cheese approach. Belgium legislated ventilation in all their buildlings. Singapores “Living with Covid” was everyone 6 years and older wearing masks indoors and out. Sinpagore had Citizen Science tracking of infections and breakouts. Taiwan paid everyone helping with quarantine more than enough so they wouldn’t do a second or third job and spread the virus. My friends in Taiwan have an app and get two free masks per week and the app works and they can go and pick their free mask up where they are currently stocked. There’s so many things he could be doing to actually prevent the coming Covid waves and he has not. Prof Raina MacIntyre released her professional development from April 2020 and it seems he hasn’t bothered to do even the basics.

oh wait up

nah USUKAU know best, it’s obvious

oh that’s right, it’s because we’re special, unique even

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-03/covid-variant-mix-a-challenge-for-antiviral-treatments/101824128

strange

works

you know how CHINA always put out propaganda news articles showing young women supporting shitty government policy

check it out

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-04/chinese-australians-travel-plans-up-in-air-as-covid-grips-china/100489704

¿ oh wait that’s people who racially look like they should be in dirty CHINA but are actually in Australia talking about Australian policy ?

oh all right then guess it’s not propaganda then, it’s just that CHINA-raced people are just naturally good at shilling communist governments

SCIENCE said:

same old CHINA we’ve all known for 30 years, plagiarism, copyright violations, nothing original, nothing innovative, just mass production and export

The capacity of the CCP to enable their people to steal intellectual property is astounding! Even to the point of once they get a copy of the innovative technlogy to stop having meetings with the company. They are brazen!

Arts said:

ms spock said:

Arts said:

I mean mask restrictions have been out for a while now…

It is true that mask protections have been removed in some countries but there’s a lot of countries that are still wearing them.

All my friends living in Asia wear masks every day.

My friends that teach in Taiwan wear masks and so do all their students. Wearing a mask is an honour you do to take care of yourself, your family, your community and your country.

Singapore’s was reported in the Australian media as “Living with Covid” but they omitted the fact that meant every person 6 years and older wearing masks indoors and outdoors.

also many people living in Asia wore masks long before covid.. but the nice thing is that even without the mask mandate, if you want to wear them to take care of yourself, your family and your community.. no one is stopping you.. but those who choose not to wear a mask are not doing anything wrong in a legal sense… we can’t be starting to vilify people for making their choices in a non acute moment in health time

It’s absolutely true Arts that people in Asia wore masks before Covid because of SARS, the tremendous pollution etc but that doesn’t mean Australians shouldn’t mask now to protect vulnerable people because Australians didn’t do it before Covid?

Just because it is legal doesn’t mean it is moral Arts. It is legal to keep polluting our planet but it’s not moral.

It’s not vilifying people to question why they can’t do a simple thing like wear a mask to prevent other people’s families, friends and communities from dying.

And it is small comfort for all the folks we have lost in the Queer and Disabilities communities in 2022. If other folks could be bothered to mask many of those folks would still be here.

People with Disabilities are going to hospital for the life long disability which means for sure they will have shorter life spans, maybe only 30 years more, but they came home with Covid and died in 2022. I don’t know how much more crying I can do for the loss of these people, who, for the sake of other folks wanting to pretend we are not in a pandemic, are no longer with us.

And I get verbally abused for wearing a mask in public so I was shocked by your “the nice thing is you can wear a mask” actually no – everyone I know who is still masking have people scream comments out of car windows (Happened to Spiny Norman and a couple of days ago – yes we must also be scared of AIDS. Your comment seems disingenous when clearly that is not what 50 years of public health has shown. For a normal flu season sure the nice thing is I can wear a mask. In a pandemic it is a different kettle of fish. Everyone needs to mask.

I guess a whole lot of able bodied non Queer people need to die before the majority of Australians will take it seriously (though with the appalling coverage by the Australian media as a whole I do really have compassion that most people simply have no idea at all. They do actually believe the pandemic is over. They really haven’t been getting clear, correct and practical advice.)

All the folks with disabilities that I know should be able to go to the doctor’s surgery without having to run the gaunlet of unmasked people, same with going to the hospital and having surgery and also one of my friends didn’t go to the dentist with a a cracked tooth for three months because if her lungs if she catches it she’s pretty much a goner.

Some folks die because some folks can’t be bothered to wear a mask. That seems pretty unfair to me. And I am incredibly upset and distressed at this well this oh well you mask if you want to but I don’t have to, when the person who is masking will literally die if they catch the virus. It’s a bit of a hard pill to swallow.

dv said:

ms spock said:

It is true that mask protections have been removed in some countries but there’s a lot of countries that are still wearing them.

All my friends living in Asia wear masks every day.

My friends that teach in Taiwan wear masks and so do all their students. Wearing a mask is an honour you do to take care of yourself, your family, your community and your country.

Singapore’s was reported in the Australian media as “Living with Covid” but they omitted the fact that meant every person 6 years and older wearing masks indoors and outdoors.

In fairness a lot of people wore masks in Singapore long before Covid-19. Just any old day of the week about half the people in the street would be wearing a mask.

You are totally right dv! A lot of folks did wear masks long before Covid-19 the problem was though that the Australian media presented Singapore as moving on and “Living with Covid” without mentioning every child 6 and over wore masks indoors and outdoors, that unlike Australia there were more than enough vaccinations, omitting the deep cleaning down in school rooms each night after school, the splatter screens that they children ate their lunch behind, and also without mention of all the mechanical ventilation that was put in place. How

And this is a pandemic – for the vulnerable folks to keep living everyone needs to wear a mask. Go over to Twitter to read people with disabilities anguish and despair.

Balancing up someone literally being alive to someone mildly inconvienced by wearing a mask. Well you all know what side I was on.

And all classes in Singaporee have different layers of mechanical ventilation. Along with all students wearing masks in classes they also have air purifiers.

So Singapore’s Living with Covid is Australia’s paritally being in lockdown, wearing masks, social distancing etc etc.

The Australian media has been wildly complicit in not providing adequate information about the pandemic. It’s heartbreaking and makes me so angry. In a lot of countries the use of the Swiss Cheese method is not even questioned by the media. They aren’t owned by someone with a vested interest.

ms spock said:

dv said:

ms spock said:

It is true that mask protections have been removed in some countries but there’s a lot of countries that are still wearing them.

All my friends living in Asia wear masks every day.

My friends that teach in Taiwan wear masks and so do all their students. Wearing a mask is an honour you do to take care of yourself, your family, your community and your country.

Singapore’s was reported in the Australian media as “Living with Covid” but they omitted the fact that meant every person 6 years and older wearing masks indoors and outdoors.

In fairness a lot of people wore masks in Singapore long before Covid-19. Just any old day of the week about half the people in the street would be wearing a mask.

You are totally right dv! A lot of folks did wear masks long before Covid-19 the problem was though that the Australian media presented Singapore as moving on and “Living with Covid” without mentioning every child 6 and over wore masks indoors and outdoors, that unlike Australia there were more than enough vaccinations, omitting the deep cleaning down in school rooms each night after school, the splatter screens that they children ate their lunch behind, and also without mention of all the mechanical ventilation that was put in place. How

And this is a pandemic – for the vulnerable folks to keep living everyone needs to wear a mask. Go over to Twitter to read people with disabilities anguish and despair.

Balancing up someone literally being alive to someone mildly inconvienced by wearing a mask. Well you all know what side I was on.

And all classes in Singaporee have different layers of mechanical ventilation. Along with all students wearing masks in classes they also have air purifiers.

So Singapore’s Living with Covid is Australia’s paritally being in lockdown, wearing masks, social distancing etc etc.

The Australian media has been wildly complicit in not providing adequate information about the pandemic. It’s heartbreaking and makes me so angry. In a lot of countries the use of the Swiss Cheese method is not even questioned by the media. They aren’t owned by someone with a vested interest.

imagine if old normals were different between different places and there were better or worse normals nah too difficult

I reads some yeah done
did with’t me covid head
the worldists’s welcome
of border busting friends
there plenty lots maimin’
‘n’ is twenty-million dead

ms spock said:

Arts said:

ms spock said:

It is true that mask protections have been removed in some countries but there’s a lot of countries that are still wearing them.

All my friends living in Asia wear masks every day.

My friends that teach in Taiwan wear masks and so do all their students. Wearing a mask is an honour you do to take care of yourself, your family, your community and your country.

Singapore’s was reported in the Australian media as “Living with Covid” but they omitted the fact that meant every person 6 years and older wearing masks indoors and outdoors.

also many people living in Asia wore masks long before covid.. but the nice thing is that even without the mask mandate, if you want to wear them to take care of yourself, your family and your community.. no one is stopping you.. but those who choose not to wear a mask are not doing anything wrong in a legal sense… we can’t be starting to vilify people for making their choices in a non acute moment in health time

It’s absolutely true Arts that people in Asia wore masks before Covid because of SARS, the tremendous pollution etc but that doesn’t mean Australians shouldn’t mask now to protect vulnerable people because Australians didn’t do it before Covid?

Just because it is legal doesn’t mean it is moral Arts. It is legal to keep polluting our planet but it’s not moral.

It’s not vilifying people to question why they can’t do a simple thing like wear a mask to prevent other people’s families, friends and communities from dying.

And it is small comfort for all the folks we have lost in the Queer and Disabilities communities in 2022. If other folks could be bothered to mask many of those folks would still be here.

People with Disabilities are going to hospital for the life long disability which means for sure they will have shorter life spans, maybe only 30 years more, but they came home with Covid and died in 2022. I don’t know how much more crying I can do for the loss of these people, who, for the sake of other folks wanting to pretend we are not in a pandemic, are no longer with us.

And I get verbally abused for wearing a mask in public so I was shocked by your “the nice thing is you can wear a mask” actually no – everyone I know who is still masking have people scream comments out of car windows (Happened to Spiny Norman and a couple of days ago – yes we must also be scared of AIDS. Your comment seems disingenous when clearly that is not what 50 years of public health has shown. For a normal flu season sure the nice thing is I can wear a mask. In a pandemic it is a different kettle of fish. Everyone needs to mask.

I guess a whole lot of able bodied non Queer people need to die before the majority of Australians will take it seriously (though with the appalling coverage by the Australian media as a whole I do really have compassion that most people simply have no idea at all. They do actually believe the pandemic is over. They really haven’t been getting clear, correct and practical advice.)

All the folks with disabilities that I know should be able to go to the doctor’s surgery without having to run the gaunlet of unmasked people, same with going to the hospital and having surgery and also one of my friends didn’t go to the dentist with a a cracked tooth for three months because if her lungs if she catches it she’s pretty much a goner.

Some folks die because some folks can’t be bothered to wear a mask. That seems pretty unfair to me. And I am incredibly upset and distressed at this well this oh well you mask if you want to but I don’t have to, when the person who is masking will literally die if they catch the virus. It’s a bit of a hard pill to swallow.

if people verbally abuse someone for choosing to wear a mask, then yes, that is a dick move.

I am confused as to why or how the queer population is more at risk than the non queer population.

that must be the problem yeah

What’s the big deal anyway, dementia drivers kill less than 5000 people a year.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-04/qld-drivers-with-dementia-video-test-developed-by-uq-affords-dig/101748652

The Economy Must Grow ¡
“

SCIENCE said:

The Economy Must Grow ¡
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-04/expert-warn-covid-19-testing-policy-discriminatory-to-china/101824884

sorry fixed must have got too excited by the prospect of some discrimination

SCIENCE said:

Next we’ll be hearing that CHINA failed by not waiting until they had good access to antiviral medications that do a world of good ¡

We Have All The Tools ¡

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/jan/03/paxlovid-last-drug-in-the-cupboard-for-covid-as-variants-in-australia-evade-other-treatments

All One Of Them Which Only Helps If You Didn’t Get Shot Anyway

LOL fuck where do they find all these absolute idiots seriously

“With antivirals in place to protect our most vulnerable and better vaccines available, and this hybrid immunity, I think we’re heading in the right direction with COVID-19.”

the fuck

Arts said:

ms spock said:

Arts said:

also many people living in Asia wore masks long before covid.. but the nice thing is that even without the mask mandate, if you want to wear them to take care of yourself, your family and your community.. no one is stopping you.. but those who choose not to wear a mask are not doing anything wrong in a legal sense… we can’t be starting to vilify people for making their choices in a non acute moment in health time

It’s absolutely true Arts that people in Asia wore masks before Covid because of SARS, the tremendous pollution etc but that doesn’t mean Australians shouldn’t mask now to protect vulnerable people because Australians didn’t do it before Covid?

Just because it is legal doesn’t mean it is moral Arts. It is legal to keep polluting our planet but it’s not moral.

It’s not vilifying people to question why they can’t do a simple thing like wear a mask to prevent other people’s families, friends and communities from dying.

And it is small comfort for all the folks we have lost in the Queer and Disabilities communities in 2022. If other folks could be bothered to mask many of those folks would still be here.

People with Disabilities are going to hospital for the life long disability which means for sure they will have shorter life spans, maybe only 30 years more, but they came home with Covid and died in 2022. I don’t know how much more crying I can do for the loss of these people, who, for the sake of other folks wanting to pretend we are not in a pandemic, are no longer with us.

And I get verbally abused for wearing a mask in public so I was shocked by your “the nice thing is you can wear a mask” actually no – everyone I know who is still masking have people scream comments out of car windows (Happened to Spiny Norman and a couple of days ago – yes we must also be scared of AIDS. Your comment seems disingenous when clearly that is not what 50 years of public health has shown. For a normal flu season sure the nice thing is I can wear a mask. In a pandemic it is a different kettle of fish. Everyone needs to mask.

I guess a whole lot of able bodied non Queer people need to die before the majority of Australians will take it seriously (though with the appalling coverage by the Australian media as a whole I do really have compassion that most people simply have no idea at all. They do actually believe the pandemic is over. They really haven’t been getting clear, correct and practical advice.)

All the folks with disabilities that I know should be able to go to the doctor’s surgery without having to run the gaunlet of unmasked people, same with going to the hospital and having surgery and also one of my friends didn’t go to the dentist with a a cracked tooth for three months because if her lungs if she catches it she’s pretty much a goner.

Some folks die because some folks can’t be bothered to wear a mask. That seems pretty unfair to me. And I am incredibly upset and distressed at this well this oh well you mask if you want to but I don’t have to, when the person who is masking will literally die if they catch the virus. It’s a bit of a hard pill to swallow.

if people verbally abuse someone for choosing to wear a mask, then yes, that is a dick move.

I am confused as to why or how the queer population is more at risk than the non queer population.

All the folks that got HIV and are living on the three antivirals are succumbing and many are not recovering. Or post Covid HIV is morphing into AIDS. A serious uptick of deaths in the communities.

Lesbian and bisexual women have twice the breast cancer than hetronormative women and thus are more likely to be immunocompromised.

Etc, etc, etc

SCIENCE said:

What’s the big deal anyway, dementia drivers kill less than 5000 people a year.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-04/qld-drivers-with-dementia-video-test-developed-by-uq-affords-dig/101748652

So do I

Well that’s annoying. I went to get a Moderna bivalent booster jab and only after I got there – I filled out all the paperwork last night – they said I wasn’t eligible.

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

What’s the big deal anyway, dementia drivers kill less than 5000 people a year.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-04/qld-drivers-with-dementia-video-test-developed-by-uq-affords-dig/101748652

So do I

but did you lose your license

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

What’s the big deal anyway, dementia drivers kill less than 5000 people a year.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-04/qld-drivers-with-dementia-video-test-developed-by-uq-affords-dig/101748652

So do I

that’s very gallant of you

ms spock said:

Arts said:

ms spock said:

It’s absolutely true Arts that people in Asia wore masks before Covid because of SARS, the tremendous pollution etc but that doesn’t mean Australians shouldn’t mask now to protect vulnerable people because Australians didn’t do it before Covid?

Just because it is legal doesn’t mean it is moral Arts. It is legal to keep polluting our planet but it’s not moral.

It’s not vilifying people to question why they can’t do a simple thing like wear a mask to prevent other people’s families, friends and communities from dying.

And it is small comfort for all the folks we have lost in the Queer and Disabilities communities in 2022. If other folks could be bothered to mask many of those folks would still be here.

People with Disabilities are going to hospital for the life long disability which means for sure they will have shorter life spans, maybe only 30 years more, but they came home with Covid and died in 2022. I don’t know how much more crying I can do for the loss of these people, who, for the sake of other folks wanting to pretend we are not in a pandemic, are no longer with us.

And I get verbally abused for wearing a mask in public so I was shocked by your “the nice thing is you can wear a mask” actually no – everyone I know who is still masking have people scream comments out of car windows (Happened to Spiny Norman and a couple of days ago – yes we must also be scared of AIDS. Your comment seems disingenous when clearly that is not what 50 years of public health has shown. For a normal flu season sure the nice thing is I can wear a mask. In a pandemic it is a different kettle of fish. Everyone needs to mask.

I guess a whole lot of able bodied non Queer people need to die before the majority of Australians will take it seriously (though with the appalling coverage by the Australian media as a whole I do really have compassion that most people simply have no idea at all. They do actually believe the pandemic is over. They really haven’t been getting clear, correct and practical advice.)

All the folks with disabilities that I know should be able to go to the doctor’s surgery without having to run the gaunlet of unmasked people, same with going to the hospital and having surgery and also one of my friends didn’t go to the dentist with a a cracked tooth for three months because if her lungs if she catches it she’s pretty much a goner.

Some folks die because some folks can’t be bothered to wear a mask. That seems pretty unfair to me. And I am incredibly upset and distressed at this well this oh well you mask if you want to but I don’t have to, when the person who is masking will literally die if they catch the virus. It’s a bit of a hard pill to swallow.

if people verbally abuse someone for choosing to wear a mask, then yes, that is a dick move.

I am confused as to why or how the queer population is more at risk than the non queer population.

All the folks that got HIV and are living on the three antivirals are succumbing and many are not recovering. Or post Covid HIV is morphing into AIDS. A serious uptick of deaths in the communities.

Lesbian and bisexual women have twice the breast cancer than hetronormative women and thus are more likely to be immunocompromised.

Etc, etc, etc

so a good time to drop this

https://twitter.com/SharonBurnabyBC/status/1609748858476851208

here then

no fucking spinning propaganda here

apparently the take away point(s) from this

isare

• The latest COVID-19 outbreak is largely sweeping through Australians who have not yet had the disease.
• Only one in five people who reported an infection in December were known to have had COVID-19 previously, according to the ACT government.
• ACT data, suggests a previous infection is strongly associated with avoiding infection during this latest surge.

because 411/3979 is far far greater than 615/2448 we mean

go see for yourselves

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-04/latest-surge-infecting-people-who-have-not-had-covid19/101794332

Matt Renshaw tests positive for COVID after recall for third Test against South Africa but is right to play.

Peak Warming Man said:

Matt Renshaw tests positive for COVID after recall for third Test against South Africa but is right to play.

Are we that complacent now?

SCIENCE said:

no fucking spinning propaganda here

apparently the take away point(s) from this

isare

• The latest COVID-19 outbreak is largely sweeping through Australians who have not yet had the disease.
• Only one in five people who reported an infection in December were known to have had COVID-19 previously, according to the ACT government.
• ACT data, suggests a previous infection is strongly associated with avoiding infection during this latest surge.

because 411/3979 is far far greater than 615/2448 we mean

go see for yourselves

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-04/latest-surge-infecting-people-who-have-not-had-covid19/101794332

reading that

did the ABC model the trajectory of global covid maybe, who knows

>>global covid maybe

The bastard it is.

Peak Warming Man said:

Matt Renshaw tests positive for COVID after recall for third Test against South Africa but is right to play.

That’s weird.

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

no fucking spinning propaganda here

apparently the take away point(s) from this

isare

• The latest COVID-19 outbreak is largely sweeping through Australians who have not yet had the disease.
• Only one in five people who reported an infection in December were known to have had COVID-19 previously, according to the ACT government.
• ACT data, suggests a previous infection is strongly associated with avoiding infection during this latest surge.

because 411/3979 is far far greater than 615/2448 we mean

go see for yourselves

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-04/latest-surge-infecting-people-who-have-not-had-covid19/101794332

reading that

did the ABC model the trajectory of global covid maybe, who knows

let’s have a look at this heading

“Latest COVID-19 surge is mostly infecting Australians who have not had the disease before”

for starters the proposition probably requires a massaged notion of infecting (regard transmission) inclines a special softened definition, or less effective working concept perhaps gets more to it, expedient i’d argue being deployed for a purpose, a social-medical ends, ultimately political ends, a device that way, dissolving of concerns that contradict the objective

the backgound to it is likely to be about rendering as many infections as possible sub-clinical, effectively de-medicalize, which would be acceptable if there wasn’t an assault on community sensibility about disease prevention, or commonsense prophylaxis maybe better said, and as I see it repeat covid infection hasn’t yet been shown to be health enhancing, not at any level or scale

and it’s certainly not medicine, the medicine, other than to border smashing fanatics maybe, and their dumb recruits that are happy to casualize plague

just an opinion is all, my opinions, in case a confused we reads it

SCIENCE said:

ms spock said:

Arts said:

if people verbally abuse someone for choosing to wear a mask, then yes, that is a dick move.

I am confused as to why or how the queer population is more at risk than the non queer population.

All the folks that got HIV and are living on the three antivirals are succumbing and many are not recovering. Or post Covid HIV is morphing into AIDS. A serious uptick of deaths in the communities.

Lesbian and bisexual women have twice the breast cancer than hetronormative women and thus are more likely to be immunocompromised.

Etc, etc, etc

so a good time to drop this

https://twitter.com/SharonBurnabyBC/status/1609748858476851208

here then

Thanks for that! There’s a few folks that will appreciate this.

The being abused for wearing masks is getting really old. Sometimes it is a bit scary.

ms spock said:

SCIENCE said:

ms spock said:

All the folks that got HIV and are living on the three antivirals are succumbing and many are not recovering. Or post Covid HIV is morphing into AIDS. A serious uptick of deaths in the communities.

Lesbian and bisexual women have twice the breast cancer than hetronormative women and thus are more likely to be immunocompromised.

Etc, etc, etc

so a good time to drop this

https://twitter.com/SharonBurnabyBC/status/1609748858476851208

here then

Thanks for that! There’s a few folks that will appreciate this.

The being abused for wearing masks is getting really old. Sometimes it is a bit scary.

If you get abused, take off your mask & sneeze.

Tamb said:

ms spock said:

SCIENCE said:

so a good time to drop this

https://twitter.com/SharonBurnabyBC/status/1609748858476851208

here then

Thanks for that! There’s a few folks that will appreciate this.

The being abused for wearing masks is getting really old. Sometimes it is a bit scary.

If you get abused, take off your mask & sneeze.

I haven’t noticed any abuse going on. I do not wear a mask now. I also rarely have contact with other people. A few people are masking, but most are not in Hamilton. The only people I see masking here in Penshurst are the workers from the nursing home. They come off shift and to the bakery and wear a mask. Or they pop in for coffee before shift and wear a mask. Other than that, we live in the breezy South West. Viruses here have to have strong wings.

SCIENCE said:

no fucking spinning propaganda here

apparently the take away point(s) from this

isare

• The latest COVID-19 outbreak is largely sweeping through Australians who have not yet had the disease.
• Only one in five people who reported an infection in December were known to have had COVID-19 previously, according to the ACT government.
• ACT data, suggests a previous infection is strongly associated with avoiding infection during this latest surge.

because 411/3979 is far far greater than 615/2448 we mean

go see for yourselves

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-04/latest-surge-infecting-people-who-have-not-had-covid19/101794332

And we don’t have the reporting system and data that they have in Singapore. In Singapore there’s a citizen’s organisation that does the tracking of close contacts. We don’t have anything like that in Australia.

This is an interesting read.

Raina MacIntyre Why Covid-19 will never become endemic
https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/opinion/topic/2022/01/15/why-covid-19-will-never-become-endemic/164216520013155

ms spock said:

SCIENCE said:

no fucking spinning propaganda here

apparently the take away point(s) from this

isare

• The latest COVID-19 outbreak is largely sweeping through Australians who have not yet had the disease.
• Only one in five people who reported an infection in December were known to have had COVID-19 previously, according to the ACT government.
• ACT data, suggests a previous infection is strongly associated with avoiding infection during this latest surge.

because 411/3979 is far far greater than 615/2448 we mean

go see for yourselves

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-04/latest-surge-infecting-people-who-have-not-had-covid19/101794332

And we don’t have the reporting system and data that they have in Singapore. In Singapore there’s a citizen’s organisation that does the tracking of close contacts. We don’t have anything like that in Australia.

This is an interesting read.

Raina MacIntyre Why Covid-19 will never become endemic
https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/opinion/topic/2022/01/15/why-covid-19-will-never-become-endemic/164216520013155

Love that extrapolation. The only data is from the ACT.

roughbarked said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Matt Renshaw tests positive for COVID after recall for third Test against South Africa but is right to play.

Are we that complacent now?

I do feel sorry for the majority of Australians that really haven’t got any idea about Covid. The little bit of public health messaging has been so poor and so much muddying of the waters by so many celebrities, alleged politicians and health officials.

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

no fucking spinning propaganda here

apparently the take away point(s) from this

isare

• The latest COVID-19 outbreak is largely sweeping through Australians who have not yet had the disease.
• Only one in five people who reported an infection in December were known to have had COVID-19 previously, according to the ACT government.
• ACT data, suggests a previous infection is strongly associated with avoiding infection during this latest surge.

because 411/3979 is far far greater than 615/2448 we mean

go see for yourselves

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-04/latest-surge-infecting-people-who-have-not-had-covid19/101794332

reading that

did the ABC model the trajectory of global covid maybe, who knows

We simply just don’t have the data. It’s terrifying. At least before everyone could make a guess based on some sort of data now we are guessing our way into the insanity of being abused in public for wearing masks. But sure everyone can do what is right for them. If another patronising person says that to me on Twitter I am going to swear at them in Irish Gaelic!

Peak Warming Man said:

>>global covid maybe

The bastard it is.

Tá tú chomh ceart sin! You are so right!

C’est un vrai bâtard! (French)

Is bastard ceart é! (It is a right bastard in Irish)

ms spock said:

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

no fucking spinning propaganda here

apparently the take away point(s) from this

isare

• The latest COVID-19 outbreak is largely sweeping through Australians who have not yet had the disease.
• Only one in five people who reported an infection in December were known to have had COVID-19 previously, according to the ACT government.
• ACT data, suggests a previous infection is strongly associated with avoiding infection during this latest surge.

because 411/3979 is far far greater than 615/2448 we mean

go see for yourselves

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-04/latest-surge-infecting-people-who-have-not-had-covid19/101794332

reading that

did the ABC model the trajectory of global covid maybe, who knows

We simply just don’t have the data. It’s terrifying. At least before everyone could make a guess based on some sort of data now we are guessing our way into the insanity of being abused in public for wearing masks. But sure everyone can do what is right for them. If another patronising person says that to me on Twitter I am going to swear at them in Irish Gaelic!

collecting more data is part of the problem, used to generate prevalence, increase prevalence, make it normal, justify unlimited prevalence, make it morally acceptable, more stuff to count you know

fact is there’s been enough studies (extending quite a while back now) that indicate, if not demonstrate wild covid is a menace

anyway the situation is that if you license mass indifference to covid, which the ideological apparatus has done, chances of turning that around are reduced as the contagion of indifference spreads

been a neat vehicle anyway, once a person might have thought of the ideological state apparatus, time to update that to ideological worldist apparatus, been plenty that at work, demonstrated in last couple years

it’s not entirely friendly to parliamentary democracy I might suggest

transition said:

ms spock said:

transition said:

reading that

did the ABC model the trajectory of global covid maybe, who knows

We simply just don’t have the data. It’s terrifying. At least before everyone could make a guess based on some sort of data now we are guessing our way into the insanity of being abused in public for wearing masks. But sure everyone can do what is right for them. If another patronising person says that to me on Twitter I am going to swear at them in Irish Gaelic!

collecting more data is part of the problem, used to generate prevalence, increase prevalence, make it normal, justify unlimited prevalence, make it morally acceptable, more stuff to count you know

fact is there’s been enough studies (extending quite a while back now) that indicate, if not demonstrate wild covid is a menace

anyway the situation is that if you license mass indifference to covid, which the ideological apparatus has done, chances of turning that around are reduced as the contagion of indifference spreads

been a neat vehicle anyway, once a person might have thought of the ideological state apparatus, time to update that to ideological worldist apparatus, been plenty that at work, demonstrated in last couple years

it’s not entirely friendly to parliamentary democracy I might suggest

the fanatic covidmongers, keen to count covid into existence until it is rendered uncountable, fairly much what they got everyone to do, help with that

not a disaster that can be buried so easy by calling whatever endemic, but they will, propaganda machine’s been in full swing working on that for a longtime now

Tamb said:

ms spock said:

SCIENCE said:

so a good time to drop this

https://twitter.com/SharonBurnabyBC/status/1609748858476851208

here then

Thanks for that! There’s a few folks that will appreciate this.

The being abused for wearing masks is getting really old. Sometimes it is a bit scary.

If you get abused, take off your mask & sneeze.

Love the spirit and the intention of the sneezing but some folks are essentially ignorant of what that would mean.

No way would I engage in the practicality of this as one of the guys walked up and told me “Don’t worry I have Covid right now. It is no big deal”.

There is a level of folks who are intelligent to know what is going on and have given up. They are overwhelmed. Then there’s the not so bright folks who will infect you with just one breath as they are lacking in intellectual rigour. I will protect myself from those people.

transition said:

ms spock said:

transition said:

reading that

did the ABC model the trajectory of global covid maybe, who knows

We simply just don’t have the data. It’s terrifying. At least before everyone could make a guess based on some sort of data now we are guessing our way into the insanity of being abused in public for wearing masks. But sure everyone can do what is right for them. If another patronising person says that to me on Twitter I am going to swear at them in Irish Gaelic!

collecting more data is part of the problem, used to generate prevalence, increase prevalence, make it normal, justify unlimited prevalence, make it morally acceptable, more stuff to count you know

fact is there’s been enough studies (extending quite a while back now) that indicate, if not demonstrate wild covid is a menace

anyway the situation is that if you license mass indifference to covid, which the ideological apparatus has done, chances of turning that around are reduced as the contagion of indifference spreads

been a neat vehicle anyway, once a person might have thought of the ideological state apparatus, time to update that to ideological worldist apparatus, been plenty that at work, demonstrated in last couple years

it’s not entirely friendly to parliamentary democracy I might suggest

It is a fraught and complicated situation, some aspects of which I hadn’t considered.

Mrs m tested clear of COVID today.

That’s 9 days infectious. Give or take a day, but from symptoms I still say 9 is most likely.

She still isn’t quite right, but getting better.

I think I missed out, but I really shouldn’t have put yesterday’s mask on inside-out this morning, germs would have been on the inside rather than the outside.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-022-35638-y

I need refer wikipedia some, later, study my ignorance

transition said:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-022-35638-y

I need refer wikipedia some, later, study my ignorance

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignorance

Ignorance is a lack of knowledge and understanding. The word “ignorant” is an adjective that describes a person in the state of being unaware, or even cognitive dissonance and other cognitive relation, and can describe individuals who are unaware of important information or facts. Ignorance can appear in three different types: factual ignorance (absence of knowledge of some fact), object ignorance (unacquaintance with some object), and technical ignorance (absence of knowledge of how to do something).

Studying the state of unawareness could be very useful in some situations.

Like when its time to wake up after being unaware while sleeping.

Useful, things like that.

Tau.Neutrino said:

transition said:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-022-35638-y

I need refer wikipedia some, later, study my ignorance

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignorance

Ignorance is a lack of knowledge and understanding. The word “ignorant” is an adjective that describes a person in the state of being unaware, or even cognitive dissonance and other cognitive relation, and can describe individuals who are unaware of important information or facts. Ignorance can appear in three different types: factual ignorance (absence of knowledge of some fact), object ignorance (unacquaintance with some object), and technical ignorance (absence of knowledge of how to do something).

Studying the state of unawareness could be very useful in some situations.

Like when its time to wake up after being unaware while sleeping.

Useful, things like that.

if you explore what you don’t know, the significance or possible significant of what you don’t know, say of self for the moment, then you’re exploring your own ignorance

think of it as self-exploration of one’s own ignorance, be a part of typical psychological life wouldn’t it, part of the activity of one’s own inner world

oh fuck CHINA are probably stealing organs from people dying they’re killing living with COVID-19 and selling them on the black market again

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/former-colorado-funeral-home-owner-sentenced-20-yrs-selling-body-parts-2023-01-04/

wait

selling body parts such as heads, arms and spines – which is what Hess did – for use in research or education is not regulated by federal law. Hess committed crimes, prosecutors said, when she defrauded relatives of the deceased by lying about cremations and by dissecting bodies and selling them without permission. The surgical-training companies and other firms which bought the arms, legs, heads and torsos from Hess did not know they had been fraudulently obtained

there you go it’s not transplant organs, it’s because they violated business norms, The Economy Must Grow but it must grow fairly*

*: fairly well for the well off, we mean

SCIENCE said:

ms spock said:

He could be running a public health campaigns for a Swiss Cheese approach. Belgium legislated ventilation in all their buildlings. Singapores “Living with Covid” was everyone 6 years and older wearing masks indoors and out. Sinpagore had Citizen Science tracking of infections and breakouts. Taiwan paid everyone helping with quarantine more than enough so they wouldn’t do a second or third job and spread the virus. My friends in Taiwan have an app and get two free masks per week and the app works and they can go and pick their free mask up where they are currently stocked. There’s so many things he could be doing to actually prevent the coming Covid waves and he has not. Prof Raina MacIntyre released her professional development from April 2020 and it seems he hasn’t bothered to do even the basics.

oh wait up

nah USUKAU know best, it’s obvious

All right we admit it was kind of funny that the cheese eating surrender monkeys thumbed their noses and translated it for us.

http://nousaerons.fr/regulations/

imagine if privilege meant that the same people who believe {the freedom to speak means they deserve to have a platform over others} are the same people who believe that {the platform they deserve is theirs in their own privacy}, damn

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

ms spock said:

He could be running a public health campaigns for a Swiss Cheese approach. Belgium legislated ventilation in all their buildlings. Singapores “Living with Covid” was everyone 6 years and older wearing masks indoors and out. Sinpagore had Citizen Science tracking of infections and breakouts. Taiwan paid everyone helping with quarantine more than enough so they wouldn’t do a second or third job and spread the virus. My friends in Taiwan have an app and get two free masks per week and the app works and they can go and pick their free mask up where they are currently stocked. There’s so many things he could be doing to actually prevent the coming Covid waves and he has not. Prof Raina MacIntyre released her professional development from April 2020 and it seems he hasn’t bothered to do even the basics.

oh wait up

nah USUKAU know best, it’s obvious

All right we admit it was kind of funny that the cheese eating surrender monkeys thumbed their noses and translated it for us.

http://nousaerons.fr/regulations/

Thats a lot of air to clean

The average mass of the atmosphere is about 5,000 trillion metric tons. According to the National Centre for Atmospheric Research, “The total mean mass of the atmosphere is 5.1480×10¹⁸ kg with an annual range due to water vapor of 1.2 or 1.5×10¹⁵ kg depending on whether surface pressure or water vapor data are used; somewhat smaller than the previous estimate. The mean mass of water vapor is estimated as 1.27×10¹⁶ kg and the dry air mass as 5.1352 ±0.0003×10¹⁸ kg.”
https://www.cs.mcgill.ca/~rwest/wikispeedia/wpcd/wp/e/Earth%2527s_atmosphere.htm

the volume of the atmosphere is roughly 4,200,000,000 cubic kilometers.
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-volume-of-air-in-Earth%E2%80%99s-atmosphere-and-volume-of-water-on-Earth

The atmosphere has a mass of about 5.15×¹⁰18 kg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere_of_Earth

How many cubic feet of air are in the Earth’s atmosphere?
1 mi = 0.625km = 5,280 feet. 1 km = 0.625*5280 feet = 3,300 feet. That’s the answer, 1.9 * 10²¹ cubic feet.

https://www.quora.com/How-many-cubic-feet-of-air-space-exist-on-the-entire-planet-earth

Tau.Neutrino said:

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

oh wait up

nah USUKAU know best, it’s obvious

All right we admit it was kind of funny that the cheese eating surrender monkeys thumbed their noses and translated it for us.

http://nousaerons.fr/regulations/

Thats a lot of air to clean

The average mass of the atmosphere is about 5,000 trillion metric tons. According to the National Centre for Atmospheric Research, “The total mean mass of the atmosphere is 5.1480×10¹⁸ kg with an annual range due to water vapor of 1.2 or 1.5×10¹⁵ kg depending on whether surface pressure or water vapor data are used; somewhat smaller than the previous estimate. The mean mass of water vapor is estimated as 1.27×10¹⁶ kg and the dry air mass as 5.1352 ±0.0003×10¹⁸ kg.”
https://www.cs.mcgill.ca/~rwest/wikispeedia/wpcd/wp/e/Earth%2527s_atmosphere.htm

the volume of the atmosphere is roughly 4,200,000,000 cubic kilometers.
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-volume-of-air-in-Earth%E2%80%99s-atmosphere-and-volume-of-water-on-Earth

The atmosphere has a mass of about 5.15×¹⁰18 kg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere_of_Earth

How many cubic feet of air are in the Earth’s atmosphere?
1 mi = 0.625km = 5,280 feet. 1 km = 0.625*5280 feet = 3,300 feet. That’s the answer, 1.9 * 10²¹ cubic feet.

https://www.quora.com/How-many-cubic-feet-of-air-space-exist-on-the-entire-planet-earth

Good point. You’re right though, if the exhalations of poisonous infected humans were diluted into all that air, then there probably wouldn’t be much need to clean it. The problem is, we aren’t diluting it to that extent.

apparently there’s something called a ratio, does anyone know about it

SCIENCE said:

apparently there’s something called a ratio, does anyone know about it

Yeah, he stands on top of a column in London.

SCIENCE said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

SCIENCE said:

All right we admit it was kind of funny that the cheese eating surrender monkeys thumbed their noses and translated it for us.

http://nousaerons.fr/regulations/

Thats a lot of air to clean

The average mass of the atmosphere is about 5,000 trillion metric tons. According to the National Centre for Atmospheric Research, “The total mean mass of the atmosphere is 5.1480×10¹⁸ kg with an annual range due to water vapor of 1.2 or 1.5×10¹⁵ kg depending on whether surface pressure or water vapor data are used; somewhat smaller than the previous estimate. The mean mass of water vapor is estimated as 1.27×10¹⁶ kg and the dry air mass as 5.1352 ±0.0003×10¹⁸ kg.”
https://www.cs.mcgill.ca/~rwest/wikispeedia/wpcd/wp/e/Earth%2527s_atmosphere.htm

the volume of the atmosphere is roughly 4,200,000,000 cubic kilometers.
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-volume-of-air-in-Earth%E2%80%99s-atmosphere-and-volume-of-water-on-Earth

The atmosphere has a mass of about 5.15×¹⁰18 kg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere_of_Earth

How many cubic feet of air are in the Earth’s atmosphere?
1 mi = 0.625km = 5,280 feet. 1 km = 0.625*5280 feet = 3,300 feet. That’s the answer, 1.9 * 10²¹ cubic feet.

https://www.quora.com/How-many-cubic-feet-of-air-space-exist-on-the-entire-planet-earth

Good point. You’re right though, if the exhalations of poisonous infected humans were diluted into all that air, then there probably wouldn’t be much need to clean it. The problem is, we aren’t diluting it to that extent.

I wonder if we could get our atmosphere to be like Venuses if we put in the effort

sorry just slurring at the moment, pardon the crossthreading

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Thats a lot of air to clean

The average mass of the atmosphere is about 5,000 trillion metric tons. According to the National Centre for Atmospheric Research, “The total mean mass of the atmosphere is 5.1480×10¹⁸ kg with an annual range due to water vapor of 1.2 or 1.5×10¹⁵ kg depending on whether surface pressure or water vapor data are used; somewhat smaller than the previous estimate. The mean mass of water vapor is estimated as 1.27×10¹⁶ kg and the dry air mass as 5.1352 ±0.0003×10¹⁸ kg.”
https://www.cs.mcgill.ca/~rwest/wikispeedia/wpcd/wp/e/Earth%2527s_atmosphere.htm

the volume of the atmosphere is roughly 4,200,000,000 cubic kilometers.
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-volume-of-air-in-Earth%E2%80%99s-atmosphere-and-volume-of-water-on-Earth

The atmosphere has a mass of about 5.15×¹⁰18 kg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere_of_Earth

How many cubic feet of air are in the Earth’s atmosphere?
1 mi = 0.625km = 5,280 feet. 1 km = 0.625*5280 feet = 3,300 feet. That’s the answer, 1.9 * 10²¹ cubic feet.

https://www.quora.com/How-many-cubic-feet-of-air-space-exist-on-the-entire-planet-earth

Good point. You’re right though, if the exhalations of poisonous infected humans were diluted into all that air, then there probably wouldn’t be much need to clean it. The problem is, we aren’t diluting it to that extent.

I wonder if we could get our atmosphere to be like Venuses if we put in the effort

there’s a thread for that kind of thing

another surprise

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-12-14/long-covid-immune-effects-seen-linked-with-high-global-deaths

now, why would anyone want to prevent their staff from catching some kind of SARACAIDS-CoV and disabling them, when they could just have a knee-jerking seizure after the fact and incur all the subsequent costs without any of the earlier benefits

dv said:

captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

sorry just slurring at the moment, pardon the crossthreading

Of course, Mars ain’t the kind of place to raise your kids
In fact it’s cold as hell

I think it’s going to be a long, long time.

SCIENCE said:

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

Good point. You’re right though, if the exhalations of poisonous infected humans were diluted into all that air, then there probably wouldn’t be much need to clean it. The problem is, we aren’t diluting it to that extent.

I wonder if we could get our atmosphere to be like Venuses if we put in the effort

there’s a thread for that kind of thing

FFS

https://www.smh.com.au/national/covid-19-subvariant-wreaking-havoc-in-us-reaches-australia-20230104-p5ca8n.html

chew on that^, master science

it’s a good one, neat incorporating language re US and Australia, indicates sameness perhaps it is, convergence, same ideological terrain, both countries have high transmission rates, homegrown variants (sounds like something yummy my mum grew in the garden)

flips been different specialists for selective quoting, in one instance appears to paraphrase inside verbatim quotes

but whatever, a quick skim read was all, my biased interpretation I expect, it’s not the KFC of right think, nah

we apologise

for misunderestimating the resilience of CHINA and thereby spreading alarm with all of yous over the risk to The Economic Must Growth of CHINA and all its trading partners

transition said:

https://www.smh.com.au/national/covid-19-subvariant-wreaking-havoc-in-us-reaches-australia-20230104-p5ca8n.html

chew on that^, master science

it’s a good one, neat incorporating language re US and Australia, indicates sameness perhaps it is, convergence, same ideological terrain, both countries have high transmission rates, homegrown variants (sounds like something yummy my mum grew in the garden)

flips been different specialists for selective quoting, in one instance appears to paraphrase inside verbatim quotes

but whatever, a quick skim read was all, my biased interpretation I expect, it’s not the KFC of right think, nah

we love it, you draw attention to the location of the origin of the variant of concern so

The detection of XBB.1.5 in Australia comes as the Albanese government forges ahead with mandatory COVID-19 testing for arrivals from China. Beijing has threatened “reciprocal” action against countries demanding travellers from its shores provide negative pre-flight COVID-19 tests.

oh yes it makes sense, sence, cense, cents, senesce, censoresce, seneca, something

SARS-CoV-2 structural proteins trigger periodontal fibrosis

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20221220/SARS-CoV-2-structural-proteins-trigger-periodontal-fibrosis.aspx

We have a violent storm coming see you all on the other side!

tauto said:

SCIENCE said:

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘Four people dead, one seriously injured after car and ute collide in Victoria’s north
Four people are dead and one seriously injured after a ute and car collide at Pine Lodge near the northern Victorian city of Shepparton.’

Good gosh, we are doing a fine job of killing each other and ourselves in this holiday season, aren’t we?

as they say, if the risk is less than 150 per week down to preventable infectious disease, who cares, we should probably actually remove seatbelt rules and let it rip

____

Deaths in the last 7 days in australia from covid have gone down from 169 to 73

well, let it rip then, guess when school is out and half the population has gone travelling elsewhere the transmission really does decrease eh

SCIENCE said:

tauto said:

SCIENCE said:

as they say, if the risk is less than 150 per week down to preventable infectious disease, who cares, we should probably actually remove seatbelt rules and let it rip

____

Deaths in the last 7 days in australia from covid have gone down from 169 to 73

well, let it rip then, guess when school is out and half the population has gone travelling elsewhere the transmission really does decrease eh

—-

I haven’t had covid and i don’t want to, but i guess i can’t avoid it forever. I’m 63 and in the higher risk group. But i have had 3 vaccs and now wondering if the 4th is worth it. What do you recommend?

19 shillings said:

SCIENCE said:

tauto said:

____

Deaths in the last 7 days in australia from covid have gone down from 169 to 73

well, let it rip then, guess when school is out and half the population has gone travelling elsewhere the transmission really does decrease eh

—-

I haven’t had covid and i don’t want to, but i guess i can’t avoid it forever. I’m 63 and in the higher risk group. But i have had 3 vaccs and now wondering if the 4th is worth it. What do you recommend?

Have you had the three varieties?

I’m 61 and have had 4 vaccs and have had all 3 varieties.

sibeen said:

19 shillings said:

SCIENCE said:

well, let it rip then, guess when school is out and half the population has gone travelling elsewhere the transmission really does decrease eh

—-

I haven’t had covid and i don’t want to, but i guess i can’t avoid it forever. I’m 63 and in the higher risk group. But i have had 3 vaccs and now wondering if the 4th is worth it. What do you recommend?

Have you had the three varieties?

I’m 61 and have had 4 vaccs and have had all 3 varieties.

I’m the same age as 19 shillings and have had 4 shots, but only two varieties.

Bubblecar said:

sibeen said:

19 shillings said:

—-

I haven’t had covid and i don’t want to, but i guess i can’t avoid it forever. I’m 63 and in the higher risk group. But i have had 3 vaccs and now wondering if the 4th is worth it. What do you recommend?

Have you had the three varieties?

I’m 61 and have had 4 vaccs and have had all 3 varieties.

I’m the same age as 19 shillings and have had 4 shots, but only two varieties.

I’ll be 75 in a couple of months and have had 3 shots, two astra and one pfizer.
I don’t know if I’ve had covid or not. I’ll probably get a fourth shot eventually.

Peak Warming Man said:

Bubblecar said:

sibeen said:

Have you had the three varieties?

I’m 61 and have had 4 vaccs and have had all 3 varieties.

I’m the same age as 19 shillings and have had 4 shots, but only two varieties.

I’ll be 75 in a couple of months and have had 3 shots, two astra and one pfizer.
I don’t know if I’ve had covid or not. I’ll probably get a fourth shot eventually.

Do so, this forum need to hang on to its senior contributors.

19 shillings said:

SCIENCE said:

tauto said:

____

Deaths in the last 7 days in australia from covid have gone down from 169 to 73

well, let it rip then, guess when school is out and half the population has gone travelling elsewhere the transmission really does decrease eh

—-

I haven’t had covid and i don’t want to, but i guess i can’t avoid it forever. I’m 63 and in the higher risk group. But i have had 3 vaccs and now wondering if the 4th is worth it. What do you recommend?

Yes. Vax as much as possible.

19 shillings said:

SCIENCE said:

tauto said:

____

Deaths in the last 7 days in australia from covid have gone down from 169 to 73

well, let it rip then, guess when school is out and half the population has gone travelling elsewhere the transmission really does decrease eh

—-

I haven’t had covid and i don’t want to, but i guess i can’t avoid it forever. I’m 63 and in the higher risk group. But i have had 3 vaccs and now wondering if the 4th is worth it. What do you recommend?

lady’s M had four shots, she’s 76, anyway they were away at a town in this State well-known for colorful stones, they both got covid while away up there, Lady’s M was really bad her D was ready to call the ambulance but M said no because that local hospital wasn’t taking covid patients, they would have flown her way down to the State’s capital possibly

anyway that was five months maybe back, she’s still got a covid-induced cough

I don’t think the infection has been health-enhancing

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-01/australia-covid-omicron-2023-deaths-hospitalisation-antiviral/101813248
What will Australia’s fourth year of the COVID-19 pandemic look like?
reading^

only really had a year in South Australia, fairly much had successful elimination and kept it out previous to it being introduced

last christmas was low risk down south on our visit with precautions, substantially more risk following months infections became more prevalent, then first got it in early march

apologies there for associating risk with prevalence, but there ya go, I did it

19 shillings said:

SCIENCE said:

tauto said:

____

Deaths in the last 7 days in australia from covid have gone down from 169 to 73

well, let it rip then, guess when school is out and half the population has gone travelling elsewhere the transmission really does decrease eh

—-

I haven’t had covid and i don’t want to, but i guess i can’t avoid it forever. I’m 63 and in the higher risk group. But i have had 3 vaccs and now wondering if the 4th is worth it. What do you recommend?

Well, we’d argue that you only need to avoid it as long as it takes something else to get you, so there’s that.

From our point of view, for vaccination we’d take whatever gives the broadest coverage, if you can get a bivalent or (future) multivalent that would probably be best.

We wouldn’t rely on vaccination though, we’d want to stop the infection before it gets to us — before entry, before needing an immune response, and certainly before needing antiviral rescue treatments. That means:

1. stay away from infectious people;
2. block transmission with P2 or better mask;
3. dilute any potential infectious aerosol with outside air as much as possible;
4. run HEPA air filter inside if you have to;
5. maybe (consider) germicidal UV air treatments.

oh damn not his words we suppose

The end of the pandemic now seems in sight for the doctor, who never intended to keep the clinic open.

no propaganda here

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-05/western-sydney-doctor-jamal-rifi-closes-covid-clinic/101827560

Fuck Totalitarian Authoritarian Communist Australia We Mean CHINA We Mean Uh

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-05/djokovic-set-miss-us-events-tightened-vaccination-requirements/101828152

oh dear

SCIENCE said:

Fuck Totalitarian Authoritarian Communist Australia We Mean CHINA We Mean Uh

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-05/djokovic-set-miss-us-events-tightened-vaccination-requirements/101828152

oh dear

Sports people being held to account, good

because died with isn’t good enough for CHINA not it

The WHO believes China’s definition for COVID-related death is “too narrow”, which may result in under-reporting of cases

China narrowed its definition for classifying COVID-related deaths, counting only those involving COVID-caused pneumonia or respiratory failure

is only good enough for Real Decent Countries hey

SCIENCE said:

because died with isn’t good enough for CHINA not it

The WHO believes China’s definition for COVID-related death is “too narrow”, which may result in under-reporting of cases

China narrowed its definition for classifying COVID-related deaths, counting only those involving COVID-caused pneumonia or respiratory failure

is only good enough for Real Decent Countries hey

What should be the definition of a Covid death, direct death and underlying illness/disease and getting Covid was too much and they died of a combination of both

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

because died with isn’t good enough for CHINA not it

The WHO believes China’s definition for COVID-related death is “too narrow”, which may result in under-reporting of cases

China narrowed its definition for classifying COVID-related deaths, counting only those involving COVID-caused pneumonia or respiratory failure

is only good enough for Real Decent Countries hey

What should be the definition of a Covid death, direct death and underlying illness/disease and getting Covid was too much and they died of a combination of both

dunno, but will say the ‘discrepancy’ cough between real numbers of infections and counted numbers, the undercount, the undercapture, is the territory covid goes wild, assumes an unlimited wild status in the hosts for happy transportation, lovely vehicle to travel in, hosts don’t mind shared fibs to help with the business, anyway similarities exist regard deaths ya know, a special sort of honesty becomes as prevalent as the virus, who wants to know about the full scope of injuries, which really only turns up in excess deaths, reported of course well-after they’ve happened, ordinarily you’d expect such high numbers would prompt modeling involving prophylaxis measures to prevent them, implement preventative measures, but these are extraordinary times, a general moral improvement across the species doesn’t sell more, expand markets

transition said:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-022-35638-y

I need refer wikipedia some, later, study my ignorance

Eeek me too!

I think this is above my pay grade.

SCIENCE said:

oh fuck CHINA are probably stealing organs from people dying they’re killing living with COVID-19 and selling them on the black market again

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/former-colorado-funeral-home-owner-sentenced-20-yrs-selling-body-parts-2023-01-04/

wait

selling body parts such as heads, arms and spines – which is what Hess did – for use in research or education is not regulated by federal law. Hess committed crimes, prosecutors said, when she defrauded relatives of the deceased by lying about cremations and by dissecting bodies and selling them without permission. The surgical-training companies and other firms which bought the arms, legs, heads and torsos from Hess did not know they had been fraudulently obtained

there you go it’s not transplant organs, it’s because they violated business norms, The Economy Must Grow but it must grow fairly*

*: fairly well for the well off, we mean

“Our sweet mother, they dismembered her,” Erin Smith said, selling her shoulders, knees and feet for profit. “We don’t even have a name for a crime this heinous.”

That is pretty grim! Egads!

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

ms spock said:

He could be running a public health campaigns for a Swiss Cheese approach. Belgium legislated ventilation in all their buildlings. Singapores “Living with Covid” was everyone 6 years and older wearing masks indoors and out. Sinpagore had Citizen Science tracking of infections and breakouts. Taiwan paid everyone helping with quarantine more than enough so they wouldn’t do a second or third job and spread the virus. My friends in Taiwan have an app and get two free masks per week and the app works and they can go and pick their free mask up where they are currently stocked. There’s so many things he could be doing to actually prevent the coming Covid waves and he has not. Prof Raina MacIntyre released her professional development from April 2020 and it seems he hasn’t bothered to do even the basics.

oh wait up

nah USUKAU know best, it’s obvious

All right we admit it was kind of funny that the cheese eating surrender monkeys thumbed their noses and translated it for us.

http://nousaerons.fr/regulations/

Australia is doubling down on hand washing. LOL

I wash my hands more now than I used to.

Tau.Neutrino said:

I wash my hands more now than I used to.

Clean nose > wash hands.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

I wash my hands more now than I used to.

Clean nose > wash hands.

This is probably what a lot of people would skip, washing hands after cleaning nose.

But that is a perfect pathway for virus propagation.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

I wash my hands more now than I used to.

Clean nose > wash hands.

This is probably what a lot of people would skip, washing hands after cleaning nose.

But that is a perfect pathway for virus propagation.

Scratching balls is another one, should wash hands after doing so

Tau.Neutrino said:

I wash my hands more now than I used to.

I certainly do wash my hands much more as as well Tau.Neutrino. I was laughing because it seems such a small amount to be doing when we have so many other I was hoping for a more Swiss Cheese Approach. There is so much we could be doing in Australia.

Have you seen this https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.11.23.517532v1.full.pdf?

Cymek said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Clean nose > wash hands.

This is probably what a lot of people would skip, washing hands after cleaning nose.

But that is a perfect pathway for virus propagation.

Scratching balls is another one, should wash hands after doing so

Any fiddling downstairs > wash hands.

ms spock said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

I wash my hands more now than I used to.

I certainly do wash my hands much more as as well Tau.Neutrino. I was laughing because it seems such a small amount to be doing when we have so many other I was hoping for a more Swiss Cheese Approach. There is so much we could be doing in Australia.

Have you seen this https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.11.23.517532v1.full.pdf?

Yes I heard of it as a new variant, but not the details, thanks.

https://twitter.com/YouAreLobbyLud/status/1610617921692131334

Tau.Neutrino said:

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

oh wait up

nah USUKAU know best, it’s obvious

All right we admit it was kind of funny that the cheese eating surrender monkeys thumbed their noses and translated it for us.

http://nousaerons.fr/regulations/

Thats a lot of air to clean

The average mass of the atmosphere is about 5,000 trillion metric tons. According to the National Centre for Atmospheric Research, “The total mean mass of the atmosphere is 5.1480×10¹⁸ kg with an annual range due to water vapor of 1.2 or 1.5×10¹⁵ kg depending on whether surface pressure or water vapor data are used; somewhat smaller than the previous estimate. The mean mass of water vapor is estimated as 1.27×10¹⁶ kg and the dry air mass as 5.1352 ±0.0003×10¹⁸ kg.”
https://www.cs.mcgill.ca/~rwest/wikispeedia/wpcd/wp/e/Earth%2527s_atmosphere.htm

the volume of the atmosphere is roughly 4,200,000,000 cubic kilometers.
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-volume-of-air-in-Earth%E2%80%99s-atmosphere-and-volume-of-water-on-Earth

The atmosphere has a mass of about 5.15×¹⁰18 kg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere_of_Earth

How many cubic feet of air are in the Earth’s atmosphere?
1 mi = 0.625km = 5,280 feet. 1 km = 0.625*5280 feet = 3,300 feet. That’s the answer, 1.9 * 10²¹ cubic feet.

https://www.quora.com/How-many-cubic-feet-of-air-space-exist-on-the-entire-planet-earth

You knowledge is much more sophisticated than mine. I just don’t want my teacher friends to get infected. I don’t want any more of the queer generation that I grew up with and I don’t want the people with disabilities to die.

A few masks, air purifiers and indeed what they French are doing really could make so much difference. Australian isn’t even doing any of the easy things, like fixing ventilation and getting all the school kids to make Rosenthal Boxes for each room in their schools, and perhaps one to take home?

This is what I want. I know I won’t get it but it is what I want. I don’t think it is a bad thing.

We could do this. When I taught at a TechSpace – kids made things like CO2 sensors all the time. None of this is hard.
https://nousaerons.fr/regulations/french_regulations_direct-reading_measurement_co2_v2.pdf

SCIENCE said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

SCIENCE said:

All right we admit it was kind of funny that the cheese eating surrender monkeys thumbed their noses and translated it for us.

http://nousaerons.fr/regulations/

Thats a lot of air to clean

The average mass of the atmosphere is about 5,000 trillion metric tons. According to the National Centre for Atmospheric Research, “The total mean mass of the atmosphere is 5.1480×10¹⁸ kg with an annual range due to water vapor of 1.2 or 1.5×10¹⁵ kg depending on whether surface pressure or water vapor data are used; somewhat smaller than the previous estimate. The mean mass of water vapor is estimated as 1.27×10¹⁶ kg and the dry air mass as 5.1352 ±0.0003×10¹⁸ kg.”
https://www.cs.mcgill.ca/~rwest/wikispeedia/wpcd/wp/e/Earth%2527s_atmosphere.htm

the volume of the atmosphere is roughly 4,200,000,000 cubic kilometers.
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-volume-of-air-in-Earth%E2%80%99s-atmosphere-and-volume-of-water-on-Earth

The atmosphere has a mass of about 5.15×¹⁰18 kg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere_of_Earth

How many cubic feet of air are in the Earth’s atmosphere?
1 mi = 0.625km = 5,280 feet. 1 km = 0.625*5280 feet = 3,300 feet. That’s the answer, 1.9 * 10²¹ cubic feet.

https://www.quora.com/How-many-cubic-feet-of-air-space-exist-on-the-entire-planet-earth

Good point. You’re right though, if the exhalations of poisonous infected humans were diluted into all that air, then there probably wouldn’t be much need to clean it. The problem is, we aren’t diluting it to that extent.

If we could just do it in schools, hospitals, nursing homes, dentists, doctors, – just so vulnerable folks don’t have to live in lockdown. Going to the dentist should be running the gaunlet of an infectious disease that could cause long term complications.

ms spock said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

SCIENCE said:

All right we admit it was kind of funny that the cheese eating surrender monkeys thumbed their noses and translated it for us.

http://nousaerons.fr/regulations/

Thats a lot of air to clean

The average mass of the atmosphere is about 5,000 trillion metric tons. According to the National Centre for Atmospheric Research, “The total mean mass of the atmosphere is 5.1480×10¹⁸ kg with an annual range due to water vapor of 1.2 or 1.5×10¹⁵ kg depending on whether surface pressure or water vapor data are used; somewhat smaller than the previous estimate. The mean mass of water vapor is estimated as 1.27×10¹⁶ kg and the dry air mass as 5.1352 ±0.0003×10¹⁸ kg.”
https://www.cs.mcgill.ca/~rwest/wikispeedia/wpcd/wp/e/Earth%2527s_atmosphere.htm

the volume of the atmosphere is roughly 4,200,000,000 cubic kilometers.
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-volume-of-air-in-Earth%E2%80%99s-atmosphere-and-volume-of-water-on-Earth

The atmosphere has a mass of about 5.15×¹⁰18 kg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere_of_Earth

How many cubic feet of air are in the Earth’s atmosphere?
1 mi = 0.625km = 5,280 feet. 1 km = 0.625*5280 feet = 3,300 feet. That’s the answer, 1.9 * 10²¹ cubic feet.

https://www.quora.com/How-many-cubic-feet-of-air-space-exist-on-the-entire-planet-earth

You knowledge is much more sophisticated than mine. I just don’t want my teacher friends to get infected. I don’t want any more of the queer generation that I grew up with and I don’t want the people with disabilities to die.

A few masks, air purifiers and indeed what they French are doing really could make so much difference. Australian isn’t even doing any of the easy things, like fixing ventilation and getting all the school kids to make Rosenthal Boxes for each room in their schools, and perhaps one to take home?

This is what I want. I know I won’t get it but it is what I want. I don’t think it is a bad thing.

We could do this. When I taught at a TechSpace – kids made things like CO2 sensors all the time. None of this is hard.
https://nousaerons.fr/regulations/french_regulations_direct-reading_measurement_co2_v2.pdf

Yes I believe we could rid ourselves of the virus if we all wore masks with proper mask fit.

Those with COVID like symptoms to stay home.

Scientists Discover First Lifeform Known to Eat Viruses

Its called Halteria—a single-celled protozoan, I wonder if it could eat Covid or be modified to eat covid ?

Some water-dwelling microbes actively feed off viruses, new research finds.

By the end of their experiments, they identified a species of Halteria—a single-celled protozoan—that appeared to eat the chloroviruses. Not only did populations of the virus dwindle in the presence of the Halteria, but the number of protozoans grew at the same time, indicating that the microbes were using the virus as fuel

Interesting.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Scientists Discover First Lifeform Known to Eat Viruses

Its called Halteria—a single-celled protozoan, I wonder if it could eat Covid or be modified to eat covid ?

Some water-dwelling microbes actively feed off viruses, new research finds.

By the end of their experiments, they identified a species of Halteria—a single-celled protozoan—that appeared to eat the chloroviruses. Not only did populations of the virus dwindle in the presence of the Halteria, but the number of protozoans grew at the same time, indicating that the microbes were using the virus as fuel

Interesting.

link

https://gizmodo.com/first-lifeform-known-to-eat-viruses-vivovore-1849944677

Tau.Neutrino said:

ms spock said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Thats a lot of air to clean

The average mass of the atmosphere is about 5,000 trillion metric tons. According to the National Centre for Atmospheric Research, “The total mean mass of the atmosphere is 5.1480×10¹⁸ kg with an annual range due to water vapor of 1.2 or 1.5×10¹⁵ kg depending on whether surface pressure or water vapor data are used; somewhat smaller than the previous estimate. The mean mass of water vapor is estimated as 1.27×10¹⁶ kg and the dry air mass as 5.1352 ±0.0003×10¹⁸ kg.”
https://www.cs.mcgill.ca/~rwest/wikispeedia/wpcd/wp/e/Earth%2527s_atmosphere.htm

the volume of the atmosphere is roughly 4,200,000,000 cubic kilometers.
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-volume-of-air-in-Earth%E2%80%99s-atmosphere-and-volume-of-water-on-Earth

The atmosphere has a mass of about 5.15×¹⁰18 kg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere_of_Earth

How many cubic feet of air are in the Earth’s atmosphere?
1 mi = 0.625km = 5,280 feet. 1 km = 0.625*5280 feet = 3,300 feet. That’s the answer, 1.9 * 10²¹ cubic feet.

https://www.quora.com/How-many-cubic-feet-of-air-space-exist-on-the-entire-planet-earth

You knowledge is much more sophisticated than mine. I just don’t want my teacher friends to get infected. I don’t want any more of the queer generation that I grew up with and I don’t want the people with disabilities to die.

A few masks, air purifiers and indeed what they French are doing really could make so much difference. Australian isn’t even doing any of the easy things, like fixing ventilation and getting all the school kids to make Rosenthal Boxes for each room in their schools, and perhaps one to take home?

This is what I want. I know I won’t get it but it is what I want. I don’t think it is a bad thing.

We could do this. When I taught at a TechSpace – kids made things like CO2 sensors all the time. None of this is hard.
https://nousaerons.fr/regulations/french_regulations_direct-reading_measurement_co2_v2.pdf

Yes I believe we could rid ourselves of the virus if we all wore masks with proper mask fit.

Those with COVID like symptoms to stay home.

Radical ideas I wish to subscribe to your newsletter!

It would be interesting to see schools doing a co operative science study on mask wearing.

example

one school could wear all masks

another school has no masks

another school has masks for those coming out of a cold or flu

something like that

perhaps there are other parameters that could be tried.

Scientists finally know why people get more colds and flu in winter
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/12/06/health/why-winter-colds-flu-wellness/index.html

Scientists uncover biological explanation behind why upper respiratory infections are more common in colder temperatures
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/12/221206083120.htm

Possible effects of air temperature on COVID‐19 disease severity and transmission rates
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8242372/

Do so over a set period of time, then share the results.

ms spock said:

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

oh wait up

nah USUKAU know best, it’s obvious

All right we admit it was kind of funny that the cheese eating surrender monkeys thumbed their noses and translated it for us.

http://nousaerons.fr/regulations/

Australia is doubling down on hand washing. LOL

well yeah that’s because back in the day we all thought that having running water in every building would be too difficult

oh yeah guess electrical lighting was impossible as well

damn

what makes this more concerning is

that as time goes on, you would expect that the health system is under so much increasing pressure that the threshold for admission to hospital also increases

and yet

transition said:

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

because died with isn’t good enough for CHINA not it

The WHO believes China’s definition for COVID-related death is “too narrow”, which may result in under-reporting of cases

China narrowed its definition for classifying COVID-related deaths, counting only those involving COVID-caused pneumonia or respiratory failure

is only good enough for Real Decent Countries hey

What should be the definition of a Covid death, direct death and underlying illness/disease and getting Covid was too much and they died of a combination of both

dunno, but will say the ‘discrepancy’ cough between real numbers of infections and counted numbers, the undercount, the undercapture, is the territory covid goes wild, assumes an unlimited wild status in the hosts for happy transportation, lovely vehicle to travel in, hosts don’t mind shared fibs to help with the business, anyway similarities exist regard deaths ya know, a special sort of honesty becomes as prevalent as the virus, who wants to know about the full scope of injuries, which really only turns up in excess deaths, reported of course well-after they’ve happened, ordinarily you’d expect such high numbers would prompt modeling involving prophylaxis measures to prevent them, implement preventative measures, but these are extraordinary times, a general moral improvement across the species doesn’t sell more, expand markets

fucking CHINA oh

wait

SCIENCE said:

LOL

LOL

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/jan/03/doctors-criticise-delusional-rishi-sunak-denying-nhs-crisis
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/jan/04/nhs-staff-share-despair-working-at-breaking-point
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jan/04/rishi-sunak-tells-hospitals-not-to-cancel-operations-despite-pressure-on-nhs

sheep, that’s not a choice, that’s blind and dumb obedience

ahahahahahahahahahahahaha

it worked

Why Canadians Shouldn’t Let Mathematicians Run Their Emergency Services

https://users.cs.northwestern.edu/~riesbeck/mathphyseng.html

… engineer is working at his desk in his office. His cigarette falls off the desk into the wastebasket, causing the papers within to burst into flames. A physicist is working at his desk in another office and the same thing happens. A mathematician is …

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

Next we’ll be hearing that CHINA failed by not waiting until they had good access to antiviral medications that do a world of good ¡

We Have All The Tools ¡

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/jan/03/paxlovid-last-drug-in-the-cupboard-for-covid-as-variants-in-australia-evade-other-treatments

All One Of Them Which Only Helps If You Didn’t Get Shot Anyway

LOL fuck where do they find all these absolute idiots seriously

“With antivirals in place to protect our most vulnerable and better vaccines available, and this hybrid immunity, I think we’re heading in the right direction with COVID-19.”

the fuck

LOL ahahahahahaha

We Have Made All These Tools And They Is Us

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41591-022-00106-z

Intranasal COVID-19 vaccine fails to induce mucosal immunity

nice, but we can tell you something that will actually protect your mucosa from airborne virus

all it will cost you is $4 per piece

back in our youth we were taught to put others first but what is this

SCIENCE said:

Why Canadians Shouldn’t Let Mathematicians Run Their Emergency Services

https://users.cs.northwestern.edu/~riesbeck/mathphyseng.html

… engineer is working at his desk in his office. His cigarette falls off the desk into the wastebasket, causing the papers within to burst into flames. A physicist is working at his desk in another office and the same thing happens. A mathematician is …

I really like this one:

A mathematician, a physicist, and an engineer are given the task of finding how high a particular red rubber ball will bounce when dropped from a given height onto a given surface.

The mathematician derives the elasticity of the ball from its chemical makeup, derives the equations to determine how high it will bounce and calculates it.

The physicist takes the ball into the lab, measures its elasticity, and plugs the variables into a formula.

The engineer looks it up in his red rubber ball book.

surely

Thanks to modern medicine, deaths from melioidosis have been decreasing. Without treatment, it can be fatal for up to 95 per cent of infections. A Darwin-based study published in 2021 found that over a 30-year period, mortality dropped from 31 per cent of all cases to just six per cent.

this must have been because of evolution to mildness, not modern medicine

¿

We Have The Tools ¡¡¡

sibeen said:

SCIENCE said:

Why Canadians Shouldn’t Let Mathematicians Run Their Emergency Services

https://users.cs.northwestern.edu/~riesbeck/mathphyseng.html

… engineer is working at his desk in his office. His cigarette falls off the desk into the wastebasket, causing the papers within to burst into flames. A physicist is working at his desk in another office and the same thing happens. A mathematician is …

I really like this one:

A mathematician, a physicist, and an engineer are given the task of finding how high a particular red rubber ball will bounce when dropped from a given height onto a given surface.

The mathematician derives the elasticity of the ball from its chemical makeup, derives the equations to determine how high it will bounce and calculates it.

The physicist takes the ball into the lab, measures its elasticity, and plugs the variables into a formula.

The engineer looks it up in his red rubber ball book.

We were treated to a modified version of the prime number joke (from the link) in my first maths lecture at uni (joint lecture for all engineers in Year 1).

The mathematician says, “3 is prime, 5 is prime, 7 is prime, 9 is not prime — nope, not all odd numbers are prime.”

The physicist says, “ 3 is prime, 5 is prime, 7 is prime, 9 is not prime — that could be experimental error — 11 is prime, 13 is prime, yes, they’re all prime.”

The electrical engineer says, “ 3 is prime, 5 is prime, 7 is prime, 9 – invalid data, 11 is prime, OK it works.”

The mechanical engineer says, “ 3 is prime, 5 is prime, 7 is prime, OK it works.”

The civil engineer says, “ 3 is prime, 5 is prime, OK it works.”

How we all laughed.

The electrical and mechanical guys anyway.

A bit of research on masks…

https://twitter.com/trishgreenhalgh/status/1610600253727596545

ms spock said:

A bit of research on masks…

https://twitter.com/trishgreenhalgh/status/1610600253727596545

well, a bit of opinion…

Arts said:

ms spock said:

A bit of research on masks…

https://twitter.com/trishgreenhalgh/status/1610600253727596545

well, a bit of opinion…

Most high level research is now peer reviewed and published on twitter.

sibeen said:

Arts said:

ms spock said:

A bit of research on masks…

https://twitter.com/trishgreenhalgh/status/1610600253727596545

well, a bit of opinion…

Most high level research is now peer reviewed and published on twitter.

well from now on I’ll avoid reviewer 2 and just publish straight to twitter.

Arts said:

ms spock said:

A bit of research on masks…

https://twitter.com/trishgreenhalgh/status/1610600253727596545

well, a bit of opinion…

It is not a bit of opinion. This is a credible source Arts. Trisha Greenhalgh @trishgreenhalgh is Professor of Primary Health Care, Oxford. This is all the research that she has collated from the beginning of the pandemic.

let’s be fair, the anti expertise crowd are quite happy to push the idea that all levels of evidence are mere opinion

Arts said:

sibeen said:

Arts said:

well, a bit of opinion…

Most high level research is now peer reviewed and published on twitter.

well from now on I’ll avoid reviewer 2 and just publish straight to twitter.

All the different medical professionals and researchers will state their article or research is pre print if it is in the peer review phase.

ms spock said:

Arts said:

ms spock said:

A bit of research on masks…

https://twitter.com/trishgreenhalgh/status/1610600253727596545

well, a bit of opinion…

It is not a bit of opinion. This is a credible source Arts. Trisha Greenhalgh @trishgreenhalgh is Professor of Primary Health Care, Oxford. This is all the research that she has collated from the beginning of the pandemic.

Sorry spocky but a tweet is not research. There do not seem to be any links to published papers in that post.

good point, there’s no evidence in a published paper either, merely a description of evidence, and this is not a pipe

ms spock said:

Arts said:

ms spock said:

A bit of research on masks…

https://twitter.com/trishgreenhalgh/status/1610600253727596545

well, a bit of opinion…

It is not a bit of opinion. This is a credible source Arts. Trisha Greenhalgh @trishgreenhalgh is Professor of Primary Health Care, Oxford. This is all the research that she has collated from the beginning of the pandemic.

She herself says this research has limitations and the strongest argument is the moral one. So not exactly solid. I’m my saying what she has concluded is flawed just that we need to be vigilant about our sources. The word research is bandied around far too leniently these days.

SCIENCE said:

good point, there’s no evidence in a published paper either, merely a description of evidence, and this is not a pipe

In a published paper you can at least request the data

Arts said:

ms spock said:

Arts said:

well, a bit of opinion…

It is not a bit of opinion. This is a credible source Arts. Trisha Greenhalgh @trishgreenhalgh is Professor of Primary Health Care, Oxford. This is all the research that she has collated from the beginning of the pandemic.

She herself says this research has limitations and the strongest argument is the moral one. So not exactly solid. I’m my saying what she has concluded is flawed just that we need to be vigilant about our sources. The word research is bandied around far too leniently these days.

Moral arguments carry no weight in science.

Arts said:

ms spock said:

Arts said:

well, a bit of opinion…

It is not a bit of opinion. This is a credible source Arts. Trisha Greenhalgh @trishgreenhalgh is Professor of Primary Health Care, Oxford. This is all the research that she has collated from the beginning of the pandemic.

She herself says this research has limitations and the strongest argument is the moral one. So not exactly solid. I’m my saying what she has concluded is flawed just that we need to be vigilant about our sources. The word research is bandied around far too leniently these days.

What’s your definition¿

Here is a relatively recent overview of the research on masks. You can go further and read the references if you want to.

“Need for more robust research on the effectiveness of masks in preventing COVID-19 transmission”

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9017682/

(It pretty much says…nobody knows, my lord, nobody knows.)

buffy said:

Here is a relatively recent overview of the research on masks. You can go further and read the references if you want to.

“Need for more robust research on the effectiveness of masks in preventing COVID-19 transmission”

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9017682/

(It pretty much says…nobody knows, my lord, nobody knows.)

Which is pretty woeful three years into a pandemic.

sibeen said:

buffy said:

Here is a relatively recent overview of the research on masks. You can go further and read the references if you want to.

“Need for more robust research on the effectiveness of masks in preventing COVID-19 transmission”

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9017682/

(It pretty much says…nobody knows, my lord, nobody knows.)

Which is pretty woeful three years into a pandemic.

Well…one of the reasons it’s been difficult to do research is ethics…you couldn’t really have an nonmasked arm of a study.

Tamb said:

Moral arguments carry no weight in science.

fair

buffy said:

sibeen said:

buffy said:

Here is a relatively recent overview of the research on masks. You can go further and read the references if you want to.

“Need for more robust research on the effectiveness of masks in preventing COVID-19 transmission”

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9017682/

(It pretty much says…nobody knows, my lord, nobody knows.)

Which is pretty woeful three years into a pandemic.

Well…one of the reasons it’s been difficult to do research is ethics…you couldn’t really have an nonmasked arm of a study.

why not, if they might work worse than not masking

The answer is likely “Welcome to planet Earth” but one does wonder what the point of lying about Covid deaths and infections achieves.

Cymek said:

The answer is likely “Welcome to planet Earth” but one does wonder what the point of lying about Covid deaths and infections achieves.

do what everyone else does, conformity pressure is greater even than electron degeneracy pressure

LOL

ahahahahahaha

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-06/increase-in-streptococcal-infections-among-children-victoria/101831656

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

sibeen said:

Which is pretty woeful three years into a pandemic.

Well…one of the reasons it’s been difficult to do research is ethics…you couldn’t really have an nonmasked arm of a study.

why not, if they might work worse than not masking

either way you hypothesise the outcome you are going to be inferring that there is some harm coming to one of the groups… and ethics doesn’t allow that.. At least not here.. you might have to go to some backwater country to get the approval..

SCIENCE said:

LOL

worldists be having worldasms

Arts said:

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

Well…one of the reasons it’s been difficult to do research is ethics…you couldn’t really have an nonmasked arm of a study.

why not, if they might work worse than not masking

either way you hypothesise the outcome you are going to be inferring that there is some harm coming to one of the groups… and ethics doesn’t allow that.. At least not here.. you might have to go to some backwater country to get the approval..

right but if there’s genuine equipoise then the ethics would allow it

Arts said:

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

Well…one of the reasons it’s been difficult to do research is ethics…you couldn’t really have an nonmasked arm of a study.

why not, if they might work worse than not masking

either way you hypothesise the outcome you are going to be inferring that there is some harm coming to one of the groups… and ethics doesn’t allow that.. At least not here.. you might have to go to some backwater country to get the approval..

The USA for example

buffy said:

ms spock said:

Arts said:

well, a bit of opinion…

It is not a bit of opinion. This is a credible source Arts. Trisha Greenhalgh @trishgreenhalgh is Professor of Primary Health Care, Oxford. This is all the research that she has collated from the beginning of the pandemic.

Sorry spocky but a tweet is not research. There do not seem to be any links to published papers in that post.

Heya buffy – you are so right a tweet is not research.

Tamb said:

Arts said:

ms spock said:

It is not a bit of opinion. This is a credible source Arts. Trisha Greenhalgh @trishgreenhalgh is Professor of Primary Health Care, Oxford. This is all the research that she has collated from the beginning of the pandemic.

She herself says this research has limitations and the strongest argument is the moral one. So not exactly solid. I’m my saying what she has concluded is flawed just that we need to be vigilant about our sources. The word research is bandied around far too leniently these days.

Moral arguments carry no weight in science.

But this isn’t about science, it’s about the application of science (otherwise known as engineering), where moral arguments absolutely do carry weight.

Or at least they should do.

Deaths 17 per cent above historical average amid last year’s Omicron wave

By Rachel Clun
January 5, 2023 — 10.30pm

KEY POINTS
-29,000 Australians died from January to August last year – 13.2 per cent more than in the same period in 2021.
-COVID-19 directly accounted for 7700 of those deaths.
-Deaths from dementia and diabetes also increased substantially in 2022 compared to historical averages.
-The increase in deaths has temporarily lowered Australia’s life expectancy.

Read more:

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/deaths-17pc-above-historical-average-amid-last-year-s-omicron-wave-20230105-p5caml.html

Witty Rejoinder said:

Deaths 17 per cent above historical average amid last year’s Omicron wave

By Rachel Clun
January 5, 2023 — 10.30pm

KEY POINTS
-29,000 Australians died from January to August last year – 13.2 per cent more than in the same period in 2021.
-COVID-19 directly accounted for 7700 of those deaths.
-Deaths from dementia and diabetes also increased substantially in 2022 compared to historical averages.
-The increase in deaths has temporarily lowered Australia’s life expectancy.

Read more:

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/deaths-17pc-above-historical-average-amid-last-year-s-omicron-wave-20230105-p5caml.html

There is newer data out than Jan to August. The September figures came out on 22 December. Doesn’t change the story much, but if you are going to write about it you should probably use the latest stats.

https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/health/causes-death/provisional-mortality-statistics/jan-sep-2022

Witty Rejoinder said:

Deaths 17 per cent above historical average amid last year’s Omicron wave

By Rachel Clun
January 5, 2023 — 10.30pm

KEY POINTS
-29,000 Australians died from January to August last year – 13.2 per cent more than in the same period in 2021.
-COVID-19 directly accounted for 7700 of those deaths.
-Deaths from dementia and diabetes also increased substantially in 2022 compared to historical averages.
-The increase in deaths has temporarily lowered Australia’s life expectancy.

Read more:

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/deaths-17pc-above-historical-average-amid-last-year-s-omicron-wave-20230105-p5caml.html

read that, cheers

Witty Rejoinder said:

Deaths 17 per cent above historical average amid last year’s Omicron wave

By Rachel Clun
January 5, 2023 — 10.30pm

KEY POINTS
-29,000 Australians died from January to August last year – 13.2 per cent more than in the same period in 2021.
-COVID-19 directly accounted for 7700 of those deaths.
-Deaths from dementia and diabetes also increased substantially in 2022 compared to historical averages.
-The increase in deaths has temporarily lowered Australia’s life expectancy.

Read more:

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/deaths-17pc-above-historical-average-amid-last-year-s-omicron-wave-20230105-p5caml.html

On the other hand,

The age-standardised death rate (SDR) for September 2022 was 43.9 deaths per 100,000 people. September is the first month that the rate for 2022 is below the baseline average (44.8).

https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/health/causes-death/provisional-mortality-statistics/latest-release
Provisional figures to September last year.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Tamb said:

Arts said:

She herself says this research has limitations and the strongest argument is the moral one. So not exactly solid. I’m my saying what she has concluded is flawed just that we need to be vigilant about our sources. The word research is bandied around far too leniently these days.

Moral arguments carry no weight in science.

But this isn’t about science, it’s about the application of science (otherwise known as engineering), where moral arguments absolutely do carry weight.

Or at least they should do.

sorry we prefer ethics

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Tamb said:

Moral arguments carry no weight in science.

But this isn’t about science, it’s about the application of science (otherwise known as engineering), where moral arguments absolutely do carry weight.

Or at least they should do.

sorry we prefer ethics

And how can you have F-ics without moral arguments good sir?

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

But this isn’t about science, it’s about the application of science (otherwise known as engineering), where moral arguments absolutely do carry weight.

Or at least they should do.

sorry we prefer ethics

And how can you have F-ics without moral arguments good sir?

societies that do what is good for society will survive, and societies that fail to do what is good for society will fail

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

sorry we prefer ethics

And how can you have F-ics without moral arguments good sir?

societies that do what is good for society will survive, and societies that fail to do what is good for society will fail

Glad to see you now agree with me.

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

And how can you have F-ics without moral arguments good sir?

societies that do what is good for society will survive, and societies that fail to do what is good for society will fail

Glad to see you now agree with me.

There’s no morals there, it’s just SCIENCE, unless you can give a different definition of morals.

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

societies that do what is good for society will survive, and societies that fail to do what is good for society will fail

Glad to see you now agree with me.

There’s no morals there, it’s just SCIENCE, unless you can give a different definition of morals.

Different to what?

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Glad to see you now agree with me.

There’s no morals there, it’s just SCIENCE, unless you can give a different definition of morals.

Different to what?

to conception of moral as something that carry weight in the application of science (otherwise known as engineering) absolutely

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Glad to see you now agree with me.

There’s no morals there, it’s just SCIENCE, unless you can give a different definition of morals.

Different to what?

But perhaps we could start with what the Internet tells me:

“ a different way to understand this distinction is to view ethics as a moral philosophy enforced within a group of people as a standard, axiom, law, or attitude.”

The Rev Dodgson said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

There’s no morals there, it’s just SCIENCE, unless you can give a different definition of morals.

Different to what?

But perhaps we could start with what the Internet tells me:

“ a different way to understand this distinction is to view ethics as a moral philosophy enforced within a group of people as a standard, axiom, law, or attitude.”

ok we admit that we viewed morals as a religious thing and ethics as a more general concept but the internet told us morals were personal and ethics were societal

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

There’s no morals there, it’s just SCIENCE, unless you can give a different definition of morals.

Different to what?

to conception of moral as something that carry weight in the application of science (otherwise known as engineering) absolutely

I’m going to withdraw from this discussion because:

1. I have no idea what your point is.

2. I feel a moral obligation to carry out my ethical duty to walk the dog, even though it is a little damp outside here.

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Different to what?

to conception of moral as something that carry weight in the application of science (otherwise known as engineering) absolutely

I’m going to withdraw from this discussion because:

1. I have no idea what your point is.

2. I feel a moral obligation to carry out my ethical duty to walk the dog, even though it is a little damp outside here.

Sounds like moral are to ethics what anecdote are to data, so we agree that SCIENCE or engineering should consider ethics but not put significant weight on moral.

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

to conception of moral as something that carry weight in the application of science (otherwise known as engineering) absolutely

I’m going to withdraw from this discussion because:

1. I have no idea what your point is.

2. I feel a moral obligation to carry out my ethical duty to walk the dog, even though it is a little damp outside here.

Sounds like moral are to ethics what anecdote are to data, so we agree that SCIENCE or engineering should consider ethics but not put significant weight on moral.

Sounds like a lot of waffle to me.

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I’m going to withdraw from this discussion because:

1. I have no idea what your point is.

2. I feel a moral obligation to carry out my ethical duty to walk the dog, even though it is a little damp outside here.

Sounds like moral are to ethics what anecdote are to data, so we agree that SCIENCE or engineering should consider ethics but not put significant weight on moral.

Sounds like a lot of waffle to me.

so what does moral mean to you

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

Sounds like moral are to ethics what anecdote are to data, so we agree that SCIENCE or engineering should consider ethics but not put significant weight on moral.

Sounds like a lot of waffle to me.

so what does moral mean to you

Dunno. Haven’t got any.

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

Sounds like a lot of waffle to me.

so what does moral mean to you

Dunno. Haven’t got any.

Yes, that’s what we were saying, whereas ethics…

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

Sounds like a lot of waffle to me.

so what does moral mean to you

Dunno. Haven’t got any.

Come loose your dogs upon me
And let your hair hang down
You are a little mystery to me
Every time you come around

We talk about it all night long
We define our moral ground
But when I crawl into your arms
Everything, it comes tumbling down

Come sail your ships around me
And burn your bridges down
We make a little history, baby
Every time you come around

buffy said:

Here is a relatively recent overview of the research on masks. You can go further and read the references if you want to.

“Need for more robust research on the effectiveness of masks in preventing COVID-19 transmission”

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9017682/

(It pretty much says…nobody knows, my lord, nobody knows.)

I would respectfully disagree buffy. Perhaps more research from our Asian needs to be translated into English, but our Asian neighbours have used masks to great effect. Not having to have lockdowns and a distinct lack of Long Covid.

I get that folks are all pandemiced out. I can see who the weariness could take over and have total compassion for just not being able to do it anymore.

Until there there is Prof Raina MacIntyre’s research:

Selected publications

Ma T; Heywood A; MacIntyre CR, 2021, ‘Travel health seeking behaviours, masks, vaccines and outbreak awareness of Australian Chinese travellers visiting friends and relatives – Implications for control of COVID-19’, Infection, Disease and Health, vol. 26, pp. 38 – 47, http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.idh.2020.08.007
Bahl P; Bhattacharjee S; De Silva C; Chughtai AA; Doolan C; Macintyre CR, 2020, ‘Face coverings and mask to minimise droplet dispersion and aerosolisation: A video case study’, Thorax, vol. 75, pp. 1024 – 1025, http://dx.doi.org/10.1136/thoraxjnl-2020-215748MacIntyre CR; Chughtai AA, 2020, ‘Masks in the community are an effective strategy: Author’s response to Haslam et al (2020)’, International Journal of Nursing Studies, vol. 111, pp. 103751, http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.ijnurstu.2020.103751

Bhattacharjee S; MacIntyre R; Wen X; Bahl P; Kumar U; Aguey-Zinsou K-F; Chughtai A; Joshi R, 2020, ‘Reduced Graphene Oxide and Nanoparticles Incorporated Durable Electro-Conductive Silk Fabrics’, Advanced Materials Interfaces

Chughtai AA; Seale H; Rawlinson WD; Kunasekaran M; Macintyre CR, 2020, ‘Selection and Use of Respiratory Protection by Healthcare Workers to Protect from Infectious Diseases in Hospital Settings’, Annals of work exposures and health, vol. 64, pp. 368 – 377, http://dx.doi.org/10.1093/annweh/wxaa020

Bhattacharjee S; Macintyre CR; Wen X; Bahl P; Kumar U; Chughtai AA; Joshi R, 2020, ‘Nanoparticles incorporated graphene-based durable cotton fabrics’, Carbon, http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.carbon.2020.05.029

Chughtaita AA; Seale H; MacIntyre CR, 2020, ‘Effectiveness of Cloth Masks for Protection against Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2’, Emerging Infectious Diseases, vol. 26, http://dx.doi.org/10.3201/EID2610.200948
MacIntyre CR; Dung TC; Chughtai AA; Seale H; Rahman B, 2020, ‘Contamination and washing of cloth masks and risk of infection among hospital health workers in Vietnam: a post hoc analysis of a randomised controlled trial’, BMJ open, vol. 10, pp. e042045, http://dx.doi.org/10.1136/bmjopen-2020-042045Bhattacharjee S; Bahl P; Chughtai AA; MacIntyre CR, 2020, ‘Last-resort strategies during mask shortages: Optimal design features of cloth masks and decontamination of disposable masks during the COVID-19 pandemic’, BMJ Open Respiratory Research, vol. 7, pp. e000698 – e000698, http://dx.doi.org/10.1136/bmjresp-2020-000698MacIntyre CR; Chughtai AA, 2020, ‘A rapid systematic review of the efficacy of face masks and respirators against coronaviruses and other respiratory transmissible viruses for the community, healthcare workers and sick patients’, International Journal of Nursing Studies, vol. 108, pp. 103629 – 103629, http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.ijnurstu.2020.103629MacIntyre CR; Chughtai AA; Seale H; Dwyer DE; Quanyi W, 2020, ‘Human coronavirus data from four clinical trials of masks and respirators’, International Journal of Infectious Diseases, vol. 96, pp. 631 – 633, http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.ijid.2020.05.092MacIntyre CR; Wang Q, 2020, ‘Physical distancing, face masks, and eye protection for prevention of COVID-19’, The Lancet, vol. 395, pp. 1950 – 1951, http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/S0140-6736(20)31183-1MacIntyre CR; Heslop DJ, 2020, ‘Public health, health systems and palliation planning for COVID-19 on an exponential timeline’, Medical Journal of Australia, vol. 212, pp. 440 – 442.e1, http://dx.doi.org/10.5694/mja2.50592Wang Y; Tian H; Zhang L; Zhang M; Guo D; Wu W; Zhang X; Kan GL; Jia L; Huo D; Liu B; Wang X; Sun Y; Wang Q; Yang P; Macintyre CR, 2020, ‘Reduction of secondary transmission of SARS-CoV-2 in households by face mask use, disinfection and social distancing: a cohort study in Beijing, China’, BMJ Global Health, vol. 5, http://dx.doi.org/10.1136/bmjgh-2020-002794MacIntyre CR; Hasanain SJ, 2020, ‘Community universal face mask use during the COVID 19 pandemic-from households to travellers and public spaces’, Journal of Travel Medicine, vol. 27, http://dx.doi.org/10.1093/jtm/taaa056Chughtai AA; Stelzer-Braid S; Rawlinson W; Pontivivo G; Wang Q; Pan Y; Zhang D; Zhang Y; Li L; MacIntyre CR, 2019, ‘Contamination by respiratory viruses on outer surface of medical masks used by hospital healthcare workers’, BMC Infectious Diseases, vol. 19, pp. 491, http://dx.doi.org/10.1186/s12879-019-4109-

Chughtai AA, Chen X, Macintyre CR, 2018, ‘Risk of self-contamination during doffing of personal protective equipment’, American Journal of Infection Control, http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.ajic.2018.06.003

MacIntyre CR, Chughtai AA, Rahman B, Peng Y, Zhang Y, Seale H, et al. The efficacy of medical masks and respirators against respiratory infection in health workers. Influenza and other respiratory viruses. 2017.