There were two great conferences on Suicidality in 2022. I will have to look them up.

You might enjoy the Life Line one Arts.

Life Line ran a conference on Suicide and it has folks with lived experience as well as mental health professionals. It was quite fascinating. It was free so folks from all over Australia were there. There was a great diversity of participants.

These might be of interest as well.

Graduate Certificate in Suicidology https://www.griffith.edu.au/study/degrees/graduate-certificate-in-suicidology-3382

Master of Suicidology https://www.griffith.edu.au/study/degrees/master-of-suicidology-5666

LGBTIQQA+ run their own conferences targeting youth and then through different developmental periods of folks lives – Erik Erickson.

In 2023 there are quite a few coming down the pipeline. I will try to remember to post them in this thread if there is interest.

Can you summarise ?

Eg.
For people with mental problems.
For people who are socially vilified (eg. Convicted rapist, caight by jailbait).
For people who have money problems.
For people who are fugitives from justice.
For medical personnel who have to save their lives.
For people who try to talk jumpers down.
Antidepressant manufacturer.
For person driven towards suicide by a psychopath.
A carer of a person with a soul-destroying disability.

Who are the conferences and course for?

mollwollfumble it is run on Zoom to enable remote and rural access, and everyone is welcome from lay people, those with lived experience (that is what we call people with mental health challenges these days – folks with lived experience) to mental health professionals – and some log in from around the world. Quite a few mental health professionals.

I don’t know if someone from jail would have access to zoom so I can’t say if they were able to attend the conference. But you don’t have to be a qualified mental health professional. If people who sexually abuse children get access to resources then that might be quite useful from preventing intergenerational trauma. But once again if they are in jail, they might not have Internet access.

The free suicide conference being free doesn’t cost anything I guess someone could go to a library or a friend’s place if they don’t have a smart phone or a desktop.

I don’lt know if a person who is fugitives from justice could go. I guess they could use a different name when they log in. No one checks as far as I know.

Many medical personnel who have to save their lives definitely attend and the discussion between then and those with lived experience was fascinating to listen to. Lots of anger and frustration on both sides.

If you are some who talks jumpers down you can certainly attend .

I have never me a nntidepressant manufacturer at any of the conferences but I don’t see why they couldn’t attend everyone is welcome.

For a person driven towards suicide by a psychopath I would hope that they could get emergency assistance by going to an A&E or ringing 000 or contacting their local mental health team, once they got that type of assistance I can’t see any barriers for their attendance.

Many, many carers attend and I am sure that a carer of a person with a soul-destroying disability would also be able to easily sign up. Unless they are actively suicidal then they would need an ambulance or a mental health team or some other appropriate support that they may already have in place.

mollwollfumble it is free and all people are invited to attend from lived experience, lay person, and all the flavours of mental health professionals. The only obstacle would be a lack of Internet access and a lack of access to a device.

In Pakistan if there are terrorist attacks they turn the Internet off to prevent further attacks. To prevent terrorist attacks during religious festivals they turn off the Internet. There is also access to electricity, in Pakistan they have two house of electricity then two hours without electricity.

So our third world brothers/sisters/others have access issues i.e. electricity that Westerners don’t consider. So if the suicide conference was on during a religious festival in Pakistan then Pakistani mental health professionals would not be able to attend.

ms spock said:

mollwollfumble it is run on Zoom to enable remote and rural access, and everyone is welcome from lay people, those with lived experience (that is what we call people with mental health challenges these days – folks with lived experience) to mental health professionals – and some log in from around the world. Quite a few mental health professionals.

I don’t know if someone from jail would have access to zoom so I can’t say if they were able to attend the conference. But you don’t have to be a qualified mental health professional. If people who sexually abuse children get access to resources then that might be quite useful from preventing intergenerational trauma. But once again if they are in jail, they might not have Internet access.

The free suicide conference being free doesn’t cost anything I guess someone could go to a library or a friend’s place if they don’t have a smart phone or a desktop.

I don’lt know if a person who is fugitives from justice could go. I guess they could use a different name when they log in. No one checks as far as I know.

Many medical personnel who have to save their lives definitely attend and the discussion between then and those with lived experience was fascinating to listen to. Lots of anger and frustration on both sides.

If you are some who talks jumpers down you can certainly attend .

I have never me a nntidepressant manufacturer at any of the conferences but I don’t see why they couldn’t attend everyone is welcome.

For a person driven towards suicide by a psychopath I would hope that they could get emergency assistance by going to an A&E or ringing 000 or contacting their local mental health team, once they got that type of assistance I can’t see any barriers for their attendance.

Many, many carers attend and I am sure that a carer of a person with a soul-destroying disability would also be able to easily sign up. Unless they are actively suicidal then they would need an ambulance or a mental health team or some other appropriate support that they may already have in place.

mollwollfumble it is free and all people are invited to attend from lived experience, lay person, and all the flavours of mental health professionals. The only obstacle would be a lack of Internet access and a lack of access to a device.

In Pakistan if there are terrorist attacks they turn the Internet off to prevent further attacks. To prevent terrorist attacks during religious festivals they turn off the Internet. There is also access to electricity, in Pakistan they have two house of electricity then two hours without electricity.

So our third world brothers/sisters/others have access issues i.e. electricity that Westerners don’t consider. So if the suicide conference was on during a religious festival in Pakistan then Pakistani mental health professionals would not be able to attend.

But Alla the all-knowing & all-powerful will provide.

Spock, the link you gave are to courses… $9750 for a one year grad cert.

can you link to the conferences so people can register and listen in on their interest presentations?

Arts said:

Spock, the link you gave are to courses… $9750 for a one year grad cert.

can you link to the conferences so people can register and listen in on their interest presentations?

So sorry Arts but I am not on my deskstop.

The conference has 30 days of viewing and I am pretty sure that has run out by now but when I get back to my desktop I will have a look. Because sometimes they go longer if folks email in and ask for more time.

The suicide conference runs every year. It is free every year.

I will make sure I post it to the forum when I get the next invitation to attend email.

ms spock said:

Arts said:

Spock, the link you gave are to courses… $9750 for a one year grad cert.

can you link to the conferences so people can register and listen in on their interest presentations?

So sorry Arts but I am not on my deskstop.

The conference has 30 days of viewing and I am pretty sure that has run out by now but when I get back to my desktop I will have a look. Because sometimes they go longer if folks email in and ask for more time.

The suicide conference runs every year. It is free every year.

I will make sure I post it to the forum when I get the next invitation to attend email.

Thanks, much appreciated

Thanks ms spock, for clarifying all that.

Arts said:

ms spock said:

Arts said:

Spock, the link you gave are to courses… $9750 for a one year grad cert.

can you link to the conferences so people can register and listen in on their interest presentations?

So sorry Arts but I am not on my deskstop.

The conference has 30 days of viewing and I am pretty sure that has run out by now but when I get back to my desktop I will have a look. Because sometimes they go longer if folks email in and ask for more time.

The suicide conference runs every year. It is free every year.

I will make sure I post it to the forum when I get the next invitation to attend email.

Thanks, much appreciated

I will definitely get this to you Arts! It has timed out!

I will make sure I will post it to the forum. It’s free and it is comprehensive.

And I get a lot of workshops that are free. If there’s anything that really interests you let me know and I will make sure to send it to your way.

My go to which I get every young person and adult that I can is to save the Suicide Call Back Line in their mobile phone. https://www.suicidecallbackservice.org.au/

It’s 24/7

Call 1300 659 467

Always reach out always talk to someone.

https://outoftheshadows.org.au/

mollwollfumble said:

Thanks ms spock, for clarifying all that.

You are most welcome mollwollfumble.

This a resource I try to get all my kids and any adults that I know to put into their mobile.

https://www.suicidecallbackservice.org.au/

Call 1300 659 467 24/7 – put it in your mobile and you might one day give it to someone who really needs it.

Why did teenage suicides decline during America’s first covid-19 lockdowns?
Because of respite from bullying at school, research suggests
Jan 10th 2023

Shortly before the start of the American school year in September 2022 a grim meme began to circulate. Teenagers posted pictures of nooses on social media, calling them “back-to-school necklaces”. For some children, however, such thoughts were no joke—as a new working paper indicates.

Suicide is the second most common cause of death for American children aged between 12 and 18. Benjamin Hansen of the University of Oregon, Joseph Sabia of San Diego State University and Jessamyn Schaller of Claremont McKenna College studied the relationship between suicides and school schedules during the covid-19 lockdowns of 2020. They found that suicide rates among children aged 12 to 18 fell substantially during school closures. Alas, they increased to 12-18% above pre-pandemic levels after schools reopened.

Previous research by Mr Hansen found that suicides among teenagers decrease on average by about 21% over the summer—and in December—when schools take a break. But researchers could not determine whether teenage suicides were related to the school calendar, or were simply seasonal. The pandemic disrupted in-person lessons, providing the researchers with a natural experiment to compare suicide rates among schools that reopened at different times.

Mr Hansen and his colleagues used historical data from the Centres for Disease Control (cdc), a government agency, and compared the number of suicides among teenagers between 1990 and 2019 with the number in 2020. During the lockdowns of 2020—when lessons took place online—the rate plunged. It was the first time suicides had declined during spring (rather than summer) in four decades.

The data suggest that some suicides may have been delayed rather than averted: when school returned in the autum, numbers climbed higher than in previous years. Using footfall statistics from SafeGraph, a data provider, the authors found that suicides increased among children whose schools reopened in August, while the rise came later for those who went back in September. Schools that were shut entirely throughout lockdowns, and fully reopened after, experienced the biggest rise in suicides. The number dropped when term ended. The authors’ findings are corroborated by the fact that suicides among 19- to 25-year-olds were largely unchanged over the same period.

The paper concludes that in-person bullying is the likeliest explanation for the rise in suicides when schools reopened. According to the cdc, teenagers who are bullied are up to 320% likelier to commit suicide. The researchers also found that Google queries for parental advice on bullying—which are also seasonal—dropped during lockdowns but spiked when school resumed. Lockdowns may have given students a break from classroom bullies, as well as more support from parents who were also stuck at home.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2023/01/10/why-did-teenage-suicides-decline-during-americas-first-covid-19-lockdowns?

Witty Rejoinder said:

Why did teenage suicides decline during America’s first covid-19 lockdowns?
Because of respite from bullying at school, research suggests
Jan 10th 2023

Shortly before the start of the American school year in September 2022 a grim meme began to circulate. Teenagers posted pictures of nooses on social media, calling them “back-to-school necklaces”. For some children, however, such thoughts were no joke—as a new working paper indicates.

Suicide is the second most common cause of death for American children aged between 12 and 18. Benjamin Hansen of the University of Oregon, Joseph Sabia of San Diego State University and Jessamyn Schaller of Claremont McKenna College studied the relationship between suicides and school schedules during the covid-19 lockdowns of 2020. They found that suicide rates among children aged 12 to 18 fell substantially during school closures. Alas, they increased to 12-18% above pre-pandemic levels after schools reopened.

Previous research by Mr Hansen found that suicides among teenagers decrease on average by about 21% over the summer—and in December—when schools take a break. But researchers could not determine whether teenage suicides were related to the school calendar, or were simply seasonal. The pandemic disrupted in-person lessons, providing the researchers with a natural experiment to compare suicide rates among schools that reopened at different times.

Mr Hansen and his colleagues used historical data from the Centres for Disease Control (cdc), a government agency, and compared the number of suicides among teenagers between 1990 and 2019 with the number in 2020. During the lockdowns of 2020—when lessons took place online—the rate plunged. It was the first time suicides had declined during spring (rather than summer) in four decades.

The data suggest that some suicides may have been delayed rather than averted: when school returned in the autum, numbers climbed higher than in previous years. Using footfall statistics from SafeGraph, a data provider, the authors found that suicides increased among children whose schools reopened in August, while the rise came later for those who went back in September. Schools that were shut entirely throughout lockdowns, and fully reopened after, experienced the biggest rise in suicides. The number dropped when term ended. The authors’ findings are corroborated by the fact that suicides among 19- to 25-year-olds were largely unchanged over the same period.

The paper concludes that in-person bullying is the likeliest explanation for the rise in suicides when schools reopened. According to the cdc, teenagers who are bullied are up to 320% likelier to commit suicide. The researchers also found that Google queries for parental advice on bullying—which are also seasonal—dropped during lockdowns but spiked when school resumed. Lockdowns may have given students a break from classroom bullies, as well as more support from parents who were also stuck at home.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2023/01/10/why-did-teenage-suicides-decline-during-americas-first-covid-19-lockdowns?

Yeah bullying is rife.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Why did teenage suicides decline during America’s first covid-19 lockdowns?
Because of respite from bullying at school, research suggests
Jan 10th 2023

Shortly before the start of the American school year in September 2022 a grim meme began to circulate. Teenagers posted pictures of nooses on social media, calling them “back-to-school necklaces”. For some children, however, such thoughts were no joke—as a new working paper indicates.

Suicide is the second most common cause of death for American children aged between 12 and 18. Benjamin Hansen of the University of Oregon, Joseph Sabia of San Diego State University and Jessamyn Schaller of Claremont McKenna College studied the relationship between suicides and school schedules during the covid-19 lockdowns of 2020. They found that suicide rates among children aged 12 to 18 fell substantially during school closures. Alas, they increased to 12-18% above pre-pandemic levels after schools reopened.

Previous research by Mr Hansen found that suicides among teenagers decrease on average by about 21% over the summer—and in December—when schools take a break. But researchers could not determine whether teenage suicides were related to the school calendar, or were simply seasonal. The pandemic disrupted in-person lessons, providing the researchers with a natural experiment to compare suicide rates among schools that reopened at different times.

Mr Hansen and his colleagues used historical data from the Centres for Disease Control (cdc), a government agency, and compared the number of suicides among teenagers between 1990 and 2019 with the number in 2020. During the lockdowns of 2020—when lessons took place online—the rate plunged. It was the first time suicides had declined during spring (rather than summer) in four decades.

The data suggest that some suicides may have been delayed rather than averted: when school returned in the autum, numbers climbed higher than in previous years. Using footfall statistics from SafeGraph, a data provider, the authors found that suicides increased among children whose schools reopened in August, while the rise came later for those who went back in September. Schools that were shut entirely throughout lockdowns, and fully reopened after, experienced the biggest rise in suicides. The number dropped when term ended. The authors’ findings are corroborated by the fact that suicides among 19- to 25-year-olds were largely unchanged over the same period.

The paper concludes that in-person bullying is the likeliest explanation for the rise in suicides when schools reopened. According to the cdc, teenagers who are bullied are up to 320% likelier to commit suicide. The researchers also found that Google queries for parental advice on bullying—which are also seasonal—dropped during lockdowns but spiked when school resumed. Lockdowns may have given students a break from classroom bullies, as well as more support from parents who were also stuck at home.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2023/01/10/why-did-teenage-suicides-decline-during-americas-first-covid-19-lockdowns?

That is pretty amazing! Going to school is killing the kids.