How many languages do you speak?
Do you read or speak it best?
How did you learn those languages?
Any tips on learning languages?
How to Learn a New Language: Start with the Right Resources
How to set REALISTIC goals for the new year and achieve them?
How to make a good study plan to learn a language effectively ?
I learned bad language from my peers. It is easy to learn because everyone knows someone who swears non stop.
roughbarked said:
I learned bad language from my peers. It is easy to learn because everyone knows someone who swears non stop.
That Sibeen has a lot to answer for.
roughbarked said:
I learned bad language from my peers. It is easy to learn because everyone knows someone who swears non stop.
Actually learning to swear in a language gives you that ability to have visercal experiences that you can express in language and in culture.
***makes notes****
Learn to swear!
ms spock said:
How many languages do you speak?
ms spock said:
Do you read or speak it best?
ms spock said:
How did you learn those languages?
ms spock said:
Any tips on learning languages?
ms spock said:
How to Learn a New Language: Start with the Right ResourcesHow to set REALISTIC goals for the new year and achieve them?
How to make a good study plan to learn a language effectively ?
ms spock said:
How many languages do you speak?
ms spock said:
Do you read or speak it best?
ms spock said:
How did you learn those languages?
ms spock said:
Any tips on learning languages?
ms spock said:
How to Learn a New Language: Start with the Right ResourcesHow to set REALISTIC goals for the new year and achieve them?
How to make a good study plan to learn a language effectively ?
if you treat all perceived-as-multiple languages as 1 language, and speak just that 1 language, you get good at it
SCIENCE said:
if you treat all perceived-as-multiple languages as 1 language, and speak just that 1 language, you get good at it
I don’t know about that.
If I treat all perceived languages as part of the language I know, then I’m lousy at that language.
One.
It wasn’t easy.
Osmosis.
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
if you treat all perceived-as-multiple languages as 1 language, and speak just that 1 language, you get good at it
I don’t know about that.
If I treat all perceived languages as part of the language I know, then I’m lousy at that language.
and yet able to convey meaning in that language which is presumably good
I really envied an Austrian lady i worked with.
She spoke German (of course), perfectly fluent and idiomatic English, fluent French, and also Italian and Greek (for which i was no judge of fluency).
Only Aussie English really, though with the old job I picked up ‘hello’ in a few languages and some more words in them as well.
Spiny Norman said:
Only Aussie English really, though with the old job I picked up ‘hello’ in a few languages and some more words in them as well.
… some more words, though not many and very far from conversational level.
Spiny Norman said:
Only Aussie English really, though with the old job I picked up ‘hello’ in a few languages and some more words in them as well.
Please, thank-you, fuck off?
Witty Rejoinder said:
Spiny Norman said:
Only Aussie English really, though with the old job I picked up ‘hello’ in a few languages and some more words in them as well.
Please, thank-you, fuck off?
‘I am no longer infected’?
captain_spalding said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Spiny Norman said:
Only Aussie English really, though with the old job I picked up ‘hello’ in a few languages and some more words in them as well.
Please, thank-you, fuck off?
‘I am no longer infected’?
The herpes has gone away.
Witty Rejoinder said:
captain_spalding said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Please, thank-you, fuck off?
‘I am no longer infected’?
The herpes has gone away.
Well I can ‘hello’ and ‘‘eat shit’ in Icelandic.
I was at a lecture given by Oliver Sacks a few years ago (before he died); part of it was devoted to languages and learning new ones (he learned ASL later in life because he felt a solidarity with deaf people, with several interesting stories about that (and bilingual people (English and ASL0 muttering in their sleep in both languages.))
One of the things he said was that if you haven’t learned a language in the first 8 years, you’ll have extreme difficulty learning a new one. He said learning a new language gets progressively harder as one ages, and after a certain age (I forget which) it becomes impossible to become fluent. He talked about a boy whose parents were profoundly deaf and had never bothered even to teach the boy any kind of sign language. He didn’t get to any school until he was 14, and by then had no language; he was quite intelligent, though, and absorbed new knowledge like a sponge, but, in the time OS talked about, didn’t manage to develop a full understanding of English. See his book Seeing Voices for lots more fascinating details.
There’s also the case of Genie (public pseudonym), https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genie_(feral_child), a child who was kept isolated by her father until she was found by authorities, aged 13, in 1970. She also had no language, and, at least until her mother took her away, didn’t seem to be developing language very well. Her treatment by “the system” after she was found was worse than the treatment she received at her father’s hands.
ms spock said:
How many languages do you speak?Do you read or speak it best?
How did you learn those languages?
Any tips on learning languages?
How to Learn a New Language: Start with the Right Resources
How to set REALISTIC goals for the new year and achieve them?
How to make a good study plan to learn a language effectively ?
Other than English I speak what I would say is loose conversational German. My grammar is terrible, and my written language is worse but I can broadly understand most “every day” type conversations (notwithstanding that there are a lot of nouns I just don’t know the German word for and even the ones I do I’ll often get the gender of the word wrong).
I’ve largely pick up these skills through osmosis as my wife speaks fluent German and we’ve always had friends that speak German as well; so I’ve =kind of been surrounded by it for more then 20 years.
IMO, the best way to start learning a language is through a series of intensive and immersive experiences. So if you have a choice between a class that is two hours a weeks for 4 weeks and a class that is one 8 hour day; take the full day.
good luck.
captain_spalding said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Spiny Norman said:
Only Aussie English really, though with the old job I picked up ‘hello’ in a few languages and some more words in them as well.
Please, thank-you, fuck off?
‘I am no longer infected’?
“You want to come back to my place? Bouncy bouncy?”
English
Read 10
Write 10
Hear 10
Speak 10
Learned it as a child
French
Read 9
Write 7
Hear 5
Speak 4
Learned it in high school, 5 years. I can basically read without trouble but when writing I will no doubt make a number of errors, without significant loss of meaning.
I have a bit of Indonesian, but I would not go about saying I “speak Indonesian”. It’s not good enough for that.
Indonesian
Read 3
Write 2
Hear 1
Speak 1
Did a course, and learned a bit online.
btm said:
I was at a lecture given by Oliver Sacks a few years ago (before he died); part of it was devoted to languages and learning new ones (he learned ASL later in life because he felt a solidarity with deaf people, with several interesting stories about that (and bilingual people (English and ASL0 muttering in their sleep in both languages.))One of the things he said was that if you haven’t learned a language in the first 8 years, you’ll have extreme difficulty learning a new one. He said learning a new language gets progressively harder as one ages, and after a certain age (I forget which) it becomes impossible to become fluent. He talked about a boy whose parents were profoundly deaf and had never bothered even to teach the boy any kind of sign language. He didn’t get to any school until he was 14, and by then had no language; he was quite intelligent, though, and absorbed new knowledge like a sponge, but, in the time OS talked about, didn’t manage to develop a full understanding of English. See his book Seeing Voices for lots more fascinating details.
There’s also the case of Genie (public pseudonym), https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genie_(feral_child), a child who was kept isolated by her father until she was found by authorities, aged 13, in 1970. She also had no language, and, at least until her mother took her away, didn’t seem to be developing language very well. Her treatment by “the system” after she was found was worse than the treatment she received at her father’s hands.
Genie did start to improve with one on one care but the system then gave her back to her mother. I believe she ended up institutionalised and her first carer with whom she made the most improvement was forbidden to contact her. But it’s a stretch to say that the system treated her worse than the abusive family she grew up with.
I learned sign language in my 40s. But I agree that immersion is the best way to learn. At any age
Arts said:
I learned sign language in my 40s. But I agree that immersion is the best way to learn. At any age
You taught your children from a young age didn’t you
Cymek said:
Arts said:
I learned sign language in my 40s. But I agree that immersion is the best way to learn. At any age
You taught your children from a young age didn’t you
Yes. I learned the basics when my kids were babies. So I was 35 and taught them from day one. But after they learned to speak I went and did a course on Auslan. It comes in handy at the zoo when we have hearing impaired visitors. And I practice fairly regularly and just keep up with further information on the Facebook discussion.
Arts said:
Cymek said:
Arts said:
I learned sign language in my 40s. But I agree that immersion is the best way to learn. At any age
You taught your children from a young age didn’t you
Yes. I learned the basics when my kids were babies. So I was 35 and taught them from day one. But after they learned to speak I went and did a course on Auslan. It comes in handy at the zoo when we have hearing impaired visitors. And I practice fairly regularly and just keep up with further information on the Facebook discussion.
I’m going to have to learn Auslan.
roughbarked said:
Arts said:
Cymek said:You taught your children from a young age didn’t you
Yes. I learned the basics when my kids were babies. So I was 35 and taught them from day one. But after they learned to speak I went and did a course on Auslan. It comes in handy at the zoo when we have hearing impaired visitors. And I practice fairly regularly and just keep up with further information on the Facebook discussion.
I’m going to have to learn Auslan.
maybe a hearing aid?
Arts said:
roughbarked said:
Arts said:Yes. I learned the basics when my kids were babies. So I was 35 and taught them from day one. But after they learned to speak I went and did a course on Auslan. It comes in handy at the zoo when we have hearing impaired visitors. And I practice fairly regularly and just keep up with further information on the Facebook discussion.
I’m going to have to learn Auslan.
maybe a hearing aid?
Going to need the most expensive one if that. They sound like a cheap crystal set.
roughbarked said:
Arts said:
roughbarked said:I’m going to have to learn Auslan.
maybe a hearing aid?
Going to need the most expensive one if that. They sound like a cheap crystal set.
hard to find geranium diodes these days even harder to find a cats whisker.
Bogsnorkler said:
roughbarked said:
Arts said:maybe a hearing aid?
Going to need the most expensive one if that. They sound like a cheap crystal set.
hard to find geranium diodes these days even harder to find a cats whisker.
Pedal Parts Australia 1N34A GERMANIUM DIODE – DETAILS: NOS 1N34A GERMANIUM DIODE 25V 500mA.
Bogsnorkler said:
roughbarked said:
Arts said:maybe a hearing aid?
Going to need the most expensive one if that. They sound like a cheap crystal set.
hard to find geranium diodes these days even harder to find a cats whisker.
You can still get kits for crystal sets e.g.:
roughbarked said:
Bogsnorkler said:
roughbarked said:Going to need the most expensive one if that. They sound like a cheap crystal set.
hard to find geranium diodes these days even harder to find a cats whisker.
Pedal Parts Australia 1N34A GERMANIUM DIODE – DETAILS: NOS 1N34A GERMANIUM DIODE 25V 500mA.
yes, but geranium diodes…
i had a few IN90 diodes. gave them away.
Here you go.
Learn a new language and be as cool as this dude and save 55% on groceries, fuel that sort of thing I suppose.
I speak three languages. Australian, Fortran 77, and calculus.
mollwollfumble said:
I speak three languages. Australian, Fortran 77, and calculus.
I think I need a Rosetta stone.
sibeen said:
mollwollfumble said:
I speak three languages. Australian, Fortran 77, and calculus.
I think I need a Rosetta stone.
That’s Newton’s second law, conservation of momentum. It’s a more accurate way of writing F=ma.
For German, I recommend the book “Deutch for Auslander”. It’s unusual for a “learn language” book in that it’s written entirely in German, no English translations. The pictures tell you everything you need to know. At the end of the book I could understand spoken German.
I have on various occasions, needed to at least partially read French, German, Italian, Russian, Serbo-Croatian, Japanese and Korean. If it’s necessary, you’ll learn it.
Peak Warming Man said:
Here you go.
Learn a new language and be as cool as this dude and save 55% on groceries, fuel that sort of thing I suppose.
:)
I actually found that ad. It’s very funny that you put it here!
Witty Rejoinder said:
Boris said:
captain_spalding said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/grammar-changes-how-we-see-an-australian-language-shows/
Boris, our friend SCIENCE doesn’t view the English language through the same lens as do many of us.
I know, that’s why I like his posts.
There’s always one…
runs away
Did Someone Say Something About View And Language ¿ Oh Wait ¡
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Boris said:
I know, that’s why I like his posts.
There’s always one…
runs away
Did Someone Say Something About View And Language ¿ Oh Wait ¡
Speaking of langwich here’s another subtle one Your ABC sneaked in.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-29/trade-minister-resumes-talks-eu-free-trade-deal/103031192
Trade Minister Don Farrell walked out of the last round of negotiations in Brussels in July, but he’s holding out a glimmer of hope that he’ll finally be able to clinch a deal when he meets again with his EU counterpart, Valdis Dombrovskis, on the sidelines of the G7 trade ministers meeting in Osaka. “I have made it very clear that Australia will not sign a deal for the sake of it, and I meant it,” Senator Farrell said.
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