roughbarked said:
George Santos has been outed as a serial liar. This is how the ‘phoney’ Republican came undone
Oh, that one. Yeah, that made it onto the news.
Footage of Dundas bragging about the scheme to ruin the supply chain: https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1616828578792103936
Yes, we will starve your baby to make a bit of political capital,
speaking of agents
What’s a normal amount of classified documentation to have misplaced per presidential term¿
SCIENCE said:
speaking of agents
What’s a normal amount of classified documentation to have misplaced per presidential term¿
Has it ever been a problem since before Trump?
SCIENCE said:
speaking of agents
What’s a normal amount of classified documentation to have misplaced per presidential term¿
Depends on how much Russia needs.
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
Michael V said:
roughbarked said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/08/arkansas-bill-child-labor-protections
Don’t those children seem happy about it.
Glum would be a better description.
Why wouldn’t they be? They can now work at a fast food store for 20 cents per hour when they couldn’t before.
My only regret is that I have but one childhood to give for the Walmart heirs.
Pondering which of the boys will be sent up the chimney, which down the coal mine, and in whose house the girl will enter ‘service’.
the girl will get married off.
The first step is to remove the laws that say children can’t work.
Next step may be to compel the little buggers to get a job.
seems only fair if we’re going to shorten the life expectancy then at least they can get started on their Work Sets You Free earlier to enjoy the benefits of stable employment
apparently the context here is that when they all wake up from the weekend, or around Monday night in Australia, some excitement will happen
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
apparently the context here is that when they all wake up from the weekend, or around Monday night in Australia, some excitement will happen
https://twitter.com/MeidasTouch/status/1634777100350783489?t=DqzrcXt8ai833kN2upekOg&s=19
now wait until we tell yous all about something completely fucked up
Senator Mark Warner says the focus is on making sure there is no contagion
just call it a bank virus and fucking let it rip
free market our arseholes
Ooh, that news broke while I was outside pulling out weeds. Interesting.
2016
Some people escape consequences
More Good News To Begin Yousr Days
back to that other thing but wait
no
that’s just a bunch of ETHNICS waiting to commit a crime
SCIENCE said:
back to that other thing but wait
no
that’s just a bunch of ETHNICS waiting to commit a crime
Rather more like yer typical bunch of ‘smart boys’ (cryptocurrency ‘investors’, NFT ‘owners’, “yeah, i’m right into hedge funds”, that sort of thing) desperate to collect the few dollars they really have before it all disappears to South America in a suitcase.
SCIENCE said:
back to that other thing but wait
no
that’s just a bunch of ETHNICS waiting to commit a crime
shakes fist at Democrats
Peak Warming Man said:
They’ll have nice oil stained fur in no time
Cymek said:
Peak Warming Man said:
They’ll have nice oil stained fur in no time
Bonus. More of the endangered brown bears is a good thing
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/mar/11/lauren-boebert-grandmother-conservatives-the-week-in-patriarchy
dv said:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/mar/11/lauren-boebert-grandmother-conservatives-the-week-in-patriarchy
I’m gonna be a grannie, Yee Haw
dv said:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/mar/11/lauren-boebert-grandmother-conservatives-the-week-in-patriarchy
HAHAHAHAHA
dv said:
Divine Angel said:
captain_spalding said:
Divine Angel said:
Popped in to say hi, and to whinge about NAPLAN.
FUCK NAPLAN
NAPLAN was meant to be a measure of the educational system, but has become the goal of the education system.
Mini Me’s stressed in case she makes a mistake (because on iPads, you can’t go back and change it), another kid in the class is stressed because they can’t read and are being asked to spell “playground” when they can’t even spell “cat”, another kid doesn’t want to be the worst kid in Australia (they won’t be), another kid is stressed because it’s 40 minutes they’re not allowed to talk, another kid is stressed because it’s only 5 minutes to plan a narrative/persuasive argument and that’s not enough time…
d’n‘o’ about the rest of yous slash anyone else around these parts but we’re quite happy to be in a cuntry where complaining about misspelled napalm is the biggest thing we have to complain about today
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/mar/11/lauren-boebert-grandmother-conservatives-the-week-in-patriarchy
HAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHA
Witty Rejoinder said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/mar/11/lauren-boebert-grandmother-conservatives-the-week-in-patriarchy
HAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHA… lordy…
Witty Rejoinder said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/mar/11/lauren-boebert-grandmother-conservatives-the-week-in-patriarchy
HAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHA
She’s proud that he is a straight shooter.
“How old’s the girl?”
Boebert: “She’s over 14…”
Witty Rejoinder said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Witty Rejoinder said:HAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHA… lordy…
Practice abstinence kids, it really works and god gives you a gold star, supress those urges, shove them deep down and get a gun
Divine Angel said:
“How old’s the girl?”Boebert: “She’s over 14…”
Wouldn’t want him to be a cradle snatcher.
Divine Angel said:
“How old’s the girl?”Boebert: “She’s over 14…”
Since what time?
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
Cymek said:
Divine Angel said:
roughbarked said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
HAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHA… lordy…
She’s proud that he is a straight shooter.
“How old’s the girl?”
Boebert: “She’s over 14…”
Practice abstinence kids, it really works and god gives you a gold star, supress those urges, shove them deep down and get a gun
Wouldn’t want him to be a cradle snatcher.
Since what time?
don’t know why y’sa’l‘r’ poking fun at theocracy there, as has been extensively discussed it’s important to have population growth for economic growth, and there’s a demographic crisis, and this is the perfect and final solution
Witty Rejoinder said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/mar/11/lauren-boebert-grandmother-conservatives-the-week-in-patriarchy
HAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHA
Breathe, Witty, breathe. You need to breathe…
WR doesn’t often respond well to stuff I post so I’m glad this was pleasing to him.
dv said:
WR doesn’t often respond well to stuff I post so I’m glad this was pleasing to him.
You’ve certainly struck a chord with him there.
dv said:
WR doesn’t often respond well to stuff I post so I’m glad this was pleasing to him.
It certainly brightened my day.
Rupert Murdoch appears to confirm that Kimberly Guilfoyle left Fox News due to ‘inappropriate’ behavior, after reports claimed she faced a sexual harassment accusation
Fox News Chairman Rupert Murdoch appeared to confirm that Kimberly Guilfoyle was fired from Fox News because of “inappropriate behavior,” adding weight to previous reports that she was ousted over sexual harassment allegations.
The email from Murdoch was revealed in a trove of private communications between Fox employees that have surfaced as part of Dominion Voting Systems’ defamation lawsuit against the network, East Bay Times reported.
Murdoch criticized rival channel Newsmax as “not good people” and “desperate for money” as they were being advised by Guilfoyle, who he said he “insisted we fire for inappropriate behavior.”
In the email, sent in the wake of the 2020 election, the 91-year-old media mogul mistakenly refers to her as “Kimberly Strassel,” an opinion writer for the Wall Street Journal, but is clearly referring to Guilfoyle calling her “Don jr’s girlfriend.” Guilfoyle, 54, has been in a relationship with former President Donald Trump’s eldest son since 2018.
—-
https://news.yahoo.com/rupert-murdoch-appears-confirm-kimberly-150728881.html
Fox is so progressive that they insist half of the sexual harrassment lawsuits are against women
fuck CHINA and their airspace violations
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/faa-administrator-seeing-collisions-expected-us-skies-rcna74853
In an interview with NBC Nightly News anchor Lester Holt, acting FAA Administrator Billy Nolen said that while it remains safe to fly, officials have grown concerned as they have begun “to see things that we don’t expect to see.”
SCIENCE said:
fuck CHINA and their airspace violations
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/faa-administrator-seeing-collisions-expected-us-skies-rcna74853
In an interview with NBC Nightly News anchor Lester Holt, acting FAA Administrator Billy Nolen said that while it remains safe to fly, officials have grown concerned as they have begun “to see things that we don’t expect to see.”
So basically it’s just teething issues as inexperienced people get used to the industry, and experienced people get settled again after a 2 year hiatus.
ah well good to know that they get such quality for the price of their democracy
caption CHINA man reacts to American democracy
This Is The Right Way To Do It, Not Some Stupid Three Child Policy Like Stupid CHINA
Access to the most commonly used method of abortion in the US has plunged into uncertainty following conflicting court rulings over the legality of the abortion medication mifepristone, which has been widely available for more than 20 years.
Sorry, we don’t understand
how the fuck did they solve this problem without guns¿
Gawd, I had forgotten about this trump horror:
Memorial COVID coins from the White House gift shop.
kii said:
Gawd, I had forgotten about this trump horror:
Memorial COVID coins from the White House gift shop.
Maybe whitehouse grift shop.
ChrispenEvan said:
kii said:
Gawd, I had forgotten about this trump horror:
Memorial COVID coins from the White House gift shop.
Maybe whitehouse grift shop.
So east ASIA aren’t part of the world, makes sense¡
buffy said:
Divine Angel said:
I just read about that in the ABC news. It’s unfathomable.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-30/five-people-killed-shooting-home-texas-cleveland/102283384
Well, yous gotta respect the problem solving skill of these societies,
US gunman has shot dead five neighbours, including an eight-year-old child, after they asked him to stop shooting an AR-15-style weapon in his front yard so a baby could sleep.
like nobody need worry about the baby not sleeping forever more, do they¿
SCIENCE said:
kii said:
Meanwhile in Texas…
Fraud Is Felony Too
Disclaimer again though we haven’t verified the claim depicted.
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
kii said:
Meanwhile in Texas…
Fraud Is Felony Too
Disclaimer again though we haven’t verified the claim depicted.
Hilarious¡
https://twitter.com/TisStef/status/1653039227079098369
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
Fraud Is Felony Too
Disclaimer again though we haven’t verified the claim depicted.
Hilarious¡
https://twitter.com/TisStef/status/1653039227079098369
Why …
Why does he have a doorbell?
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
Disclaimer again though we haven’t verified the claim depicted.
Hilarious¡
https://twitter.com/TisStef/status/1653039227079098369
Why …
Why does he have a doorbell?
Exactly, if you don’t want people getting to your front door, why not just
set them 12 levels of this instead¿
dv said:
SCIENCE said:SCIENCE said:
Disclaimer again though we haven’t verified the claim depicted.
Hilarious¡
https://twitter.com/TisStef/status/1653039227079098369
Why …
Why does he have a doorbell?
Okay I checked out his page and it does seem he was joking.
dv said:
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
Hilarious¡
https://twitter.com/TisStef/status/1653039227079098369
Why …
Why does he have a doorbell?
Okay I checked out his page and it does seem he was joking.
We just don’t know any more, there’s infinite layers of recursive denial.
Why has this Georgia man been behind bars for 10 years awaiting trial?
Police arrested Maurice Jimmerson and four others in 2013 for murder. A jury acquitted two of them, but for 10 years, Jimmerson has spent the majority of that time in a county jail, legally innocent.
www.wrdw.com/2023/04/27/why-has-this-georgia-man-been-behind-bars-10-years-awaiting-trial
Spiny Norman said:
Why has this Georgia man been behind bars for 10 years awaiting trial?
Police arrested Maurice Jimmerson and four others in 2013 for murder. A jury acquitted two of them, but for 10 years, Jimmerson has spent the majority of that time in a county jail, legally innocent.www.wrdw.com/2023/04/27/why-has-this-georgia-man-been-behind-bars-10-years-awaiting-trial
Without reading the link, does he have dark coloured skin?
roughbarked said:
Spiny Norman said:
Why has this Georgia man been behind bars for 10 years awaiting trial?
Police arrested Maurice Jimmerson and four others in 2013 for murder. A jury acquitted two of them, but for 10 years, Jimmerson has spent the majority of that time in a county jail, legally innocent.www.wrdw.com/2023/04/27/why-has-this-georgia-man-been-behind-bars-10-years-awaiting-trial
Without reading the link, does he have dark coloured skin?
The odds are so short on that bet that they could walk under closed doors.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
Spiny Norman said:
Why has this Georgia man been behind bars for 10 years awaiting trial?
Police arrested Maurice Jimmerson and four others in 2013 for murder. A jury acquitted two of them, but for 10 years, Jimmerson has spent the majority of that time in a county jail, legally innocent.www.wrdw.com/2023/04/27/why-has-this-georgia-man-been-behind-bars-10-years-awaiting-trial
Without reading the link, does he have dark coloured skin?
The odds are so short on that bet that they could walk under closed doors.
That short eh.
Holy fuck¡
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-07-10/six-killed-in-kindergarten-attack/102584322
Six people were killed and one wounded in an attack at a kindergarten in southern
struggling with a spate of mass stabbings and attacks targeting students and schools
Videos shot by passers-by claiming to show the crime scene were removed from video-sharing platform Douyin and Twitter-like Weibo. The attack sparked emotive debate on the Weibo social media platform, where it was the top-trending discussion, with 290 million views.
Violent crime has been on the rise as the economy has grown in recent decades and the gap between rich and poor has widened rapidly.
Fatal attacks targeting students and schools have occurred nationwide in recent years.
Last August, three people were killed and six others wounded
In April 2021, two children were killed and 16 others wounded
In June of the previous year, 37 students and two adults were wounded
And in November 2019, a man climbed a kindergarten wall in south-west Yunnan province and sprayed people with a corrosive liquid, wounding 51 of them, mostly students.
The same year, eight schoolchildren died and two others were wounded in a “school-related criminal case”
And in April 2018, a 28-year-old man killed nine college students and injured 12 others outside their school
Sorry we meant holy fuck, that’s a pretty safe cuntry.
SCIENCE said:
Insanity.
SCIENCE said:
https://www.boisestatepublicradio.org/news/2023-07-07/idaho-maternal-mortality-review-committee-dissolve
SCIENCE said:
bloody hell
dv said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
So it turns out I am a party to a class action lawsuit against MLC.
Good luck.
>MLC was an Australian business that provides investments, insurance and superannuation solutions to corporate, institutional, and retail customers. Due to divestments in the early 21st century, there are now two businesses, with no ownership links, that both use “MLC” in their branding:
MLC Limited trading as MLC Life Insurance, the original insurance company registered in 1886 as “Citizens’ Assurance company Limited”, is an insurance company which is part of the Nippon Life Insurance Group.
MLC Wealth, which consists of the investment and superannuation businesses that MLC Limited expanded into in the 20th century, is part of the Insignia Financial Group, which consists of Insignia Financial Ltd and its related bodies corporate.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MLC_Limited
I hope I win, I’ve worked hard on this case.
Speaking of these fun stuff,
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/facebook-settlement-privacy-lawsuit-claim-amount-2023/
Anyone in the U.S. who used Facebook in the last 16 years can now collect a piece of a $725 million settlement by parent company Meta tied to privacy violations — as long as they fill out a claim on a website set up to pay out money to the social network’s users.
LOL.
PermeateFree said:
SCIENCE said:
PermeateFree said:
Proof That Gun Control Doesn’t Work
The two people killed worked at the site, and police understand the offender, who had a history of family violence and no gun licence, had also previously worked there.
Just for the record, I did not post into this thread. SCIENCE transferred my post from chat that had been posted for amusement only.
Oh all right yous all got us, we admit we fucked up in trying to find the USSA Politics 2023CE thread and have no fucking idea* how we foolishly ended up in Homeless women over 65 – fastest growing population in Australia instead but here we put it in the right place now.
Just for the record, quoting within a thread would generally not even require the use of a quote function if one thinks about it, and like anywhere else in the world, content generators can be quoted from one context to another appropriately by using attribution that makes clear they are quotes.
Also, SCIENCE posted content for amusement only and gave credit to PermeateFree where it was due so PermeateFree should thank SCIENCE for the citation.
*: they’re 10 threads apart, ¿ maybe our mouse slipped or something
SCIENCE said:
PermeateFree said:
SCIENCE said:
Proof That Gun Control Doesn’t Work
The two people killed worked at the site, and police understand the offender, who had a history of family violence and no gun licence, had also previously worked there.
Just for the record, I did not post into this thread. SCIENCE transferred my post from chat that had been posted for amusement only.
Oh all right yous all got us, we admit we fucked up in trying to find the USSA Politics 2023CE thread and have no fucking idea* how we foolishly ended up in Homeless women over 65 – fastest growing population in Australia instead but here we put it in the right place now.
Just for the record, quoting within a thread would generally not even require the use of a quote function if one thinks about it, and like anywhere else in the world, content generators can be quoted from one context to another appropriately by using attribution that makes clear they are quotes.
Also, SCIENCE posted content for amusement only and gave credit to PermeateFree where it was due so PermeateFree should thank SCIENCE for the citation.
*: they’re 10 threads apart, ¿ maybe our mouse slipped or something
What are you talking about you fucking idiot.
PermeateFree said:
SCIENCE said:
PermeateFree said:
Just for the record, I did not post into this thread. SCIENCE transferred my post from chat that had been posted for amusement only.
Oh all right yous all got us, we admit we fucked up in trying to find the USSA Politics 2023CE thread and have no fucking idea* how we foolishly ended up in Homeless women over 65 – fastest growing population in Australia instead but here we put it in the right place now.
Just for the record, quoting within a thread would generally not even require the use of a quote function if one thinks about it, and like anywhere else in the world, content generators can be quoted from one context to another appropriately by using attribution that makes clear they are quotes.
Also, SCIENCE posted content for amusement only and gave credit to PermeateFree where it was due so PermeateFree should thank SCIENCE for the citation.
*: they’re 10 threads apart, ¿ maybe our mouse slipped or something
What are you talking about you fucking idiot.
Hey your joke is pretty funny there¡
Groundbreaking Research
“Scientists have only begun to understand the factors that put Americans at risk of firearm injury. The double blow of ending federal funding and cutting off researchers’ access to California’s data could set the field back years.”
Sorry, we got nothing. We don’t understand at all.
SCIENCE said:
Groundbreaking Research
“Scientists have only begun to understand the factors that put Americans at risk of firearm injury. The double blow of ending federal funding and cutting off researchers’ access to California’s data could set the field back years.”
Sorry, we got nothing. We don’t understand at all.
Guns
Lots of guns
Idiots
Lots of idiots
Obviously a slow news day, or more
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-07-29/joe-biden-hunter-biden-seventh-grandchild-arkansas/102665148
likely, seeking to distract from something.
SCIENCE said:
Obviously a slow news day, or more
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-07-29/joe-biden-hunter-biden-seventh-grandchild-arkansas/102665148
likely, seeking to distract from something.
There’s always the chance that he’s just being honest and up-front about it.
Can you imagine how Trump would have dealt with this, if Donald Jr. or Kushner had been named as the father?
He would have been ranting about how it was all a conspiracy to make him look bad, that the mother was a liar, a paid actor, a stooge for the Democrats, he would have been slandering her a dozen different ways, it’s all a plot, what about the Bidens, i bet Hilary had a hand in this, everyone’s against me, Tweets in capital letters, the mother is deranged, it’s fake news, etc. etc.
It’s Pretty Fun¡
SCIENCE said:
It’s Pretty Fun¡
yeah
SCIENCE said:
It’s Pretty Fun¡
Which state was it that recently wanted to teach kids how to apply first aid to their classmates gaping chest holes?
Texas? I think it was Texas.
DJT again.
roughbarked said:
DJT again.
Reported in the ABC JustIn
Apparently all he did was “request” people to do the wrong thing…
>>“Every single thing that President Trump is being prosecuted for involved aspirational asks — asking state legislatures, asking state governors, asking state electoral officials to do the right thing,” Mr Lauro told Fox News.
“In fact, even asking vice-president Pence was protected by free speech.”
In response, the former vice-president told CNN: “President Trump was wrong then and he is wrong now.”
“I had no right to overturn the election result,” he said. <<
“aspirational asks”!!!
buffy said:
roughbarked said:
DJT again.
Reported in the ABC JustIn
Apparently all he did was “request” people to do the wrong thing…
>>“Every single thing that President Trump is being prosecuted for involved aspirational asks — asking state legislatures, asking state governors, asking state electoral officials to do the right thing,” Mr Lauro told Fox News.
“In fact, even asking vice-president Pence was protected by free speech.”
In response, the former vice-president told CNN: “President Trump was wrong then and he is wrong now.”
“I had no right to overturn the election result,” he said. <<
“aspirational asks”!!!
That’s the first tiime I’ve ever heard that term. Aspirational Asks.? Like what?
buffy said:
roughbarked said:
DJT again.
Reported in the ABC JustIn
Apparently all he did was “request” people to do the wrong thing…
>>“Every single thing that President Trump is being prosecuted for involved aspirational asks — asking state legislatures, asking state governors, asking state electoral officials to do the right thing,” Mr Lauro told Fox News.
“In fact, even asking vice-president Pence was protected by free speech.”
In response, the former vice-president told CNN: “President Trump was wrong then and he is wrong now.”
“I had no right to overturn the election result,” he said. <<
“aspirational asks”!!!
So, there’s nothing wrong with asking a hit man to assassinate your business rival. It’s just an ‘aspirational ask’.
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:
roughbarked said:
DJT again.
Reported in the ABC JustIn
Apparently all he did was “request” people to do the wrong thing…
>>“Every single thing that President Trump is being prosecuted for involved aspirational asks — asking state legislatures, asking state governors, asking state electoral officials to do the right thing,” Mr Lauro told Fox News.
“In fact, even asking vice-president Pence was protected by free speech.”
In response, the former vice-president told CNN: “President Trump was wrong then and he is wrong now.”
“I had no right to overturn the election result,” he said. <<
“aspirational asks”!!!
So, there’s nothing wrong with asking a hit man to assassinate your business rival. It’s just an ‘aspirational ask’.
Pretty sure that is a problem. So Is asking someone to buy drugs for you.
sarahs mum said:
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:Reported in the ABC JustIn
Apparently all he did was “request” people to do the wrong thing…
>>“Every single thing that President Trump is being prosecuted for involved aspirational asks — asking state legislatures, asking state governors, asking state electoral officials to do the right thing,” Mr Lauro told Fox News.
“In fact, even asking vice-president Pence was protected by free speech.”
In response, the former vice-president told CNN: “President Trump was wrong then and he is wrong now.”
“I had no right to overturn the election result,” he said. <<
“aspirational asks”!!!
So, there’s nothing wrong with asking a hit man to assassinate your business rival. It’s just an ‘aspirational ask’.
Pretty sure that is a problem. So Is asking someone to buy drugs for you.
I still don’t get why he has to spell little like that.
roughbarked said:
sarahs mum said:
captain_spalding said:So, there’s nothing wrong with asking a hit man to assassinate your business rival. It’s just an ‘aspirational ask’.
Pretty sure that is a problem. So Is asking someone to buy drugs for you.
or even asking them to give you drugs.
It must be one of those ‘Presidential’ things. Like being able to point to any document and say, ‘that’s now declassified, go ahead, send copies to Beijing and Moscow’. Similarly, i suggest, it’s ok for the President to ask people to commit federal crimes, no comebacks, so there, nyah.
dv said:
I still don’t get why he has to spell little like that.
It’s his attempt at humorous beltittlement.
Which he’s very good at. But, not so good at it when he tries to do it to other people.
dv said:
I still don’t get why he has to spell little like that.
He thinks he is “edgy “ and “cool”.
kii said:
dv said:
I still don’t get why he has to spell little like that.
He thinks he is “edgy “ and “cool”.
I can think of a few edges i’d like to show him.
Note that none of the charges relate to incitement of the insurrection.
dv said:
I still don’t get why he has to spell little like that.
It is because he reverts to baby speech whenever he’s stamping his foot in a tantrum.
captain_spalding said:
kii said:
dv said:
I still don’t get why he has to spell little like that.
He thinks he is “edgy “ and “cool”.
I can think of a few edges i’d like to show him.
The edge of Niagra falls perhaps?
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
kii said:He thinks he is “edgy “ and “cool”.
I can think of a few edges i’d like to show him.
The edge of Niagra falls perhaps?
…a tall building, the open doorway of a flying aeroplane, a mineshaft etc. etc.
Largest Black Fraternity Joins Dozens of Other Groups to Pull Annual Convention from Florida
The organizations all cite Ron Desantis’s policies as their reason for leaving.
https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxIfVYIwhluS4XVPdKxOe1qU_ImpfIzRbU
Largest Black Fraternity Joins Dozens of Other Groups to Pull Annual Convention from Florida
The organizations all cite Ron Desantis’s policies as their reason for leaving.
https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxIfVYIwhluS4XVPdKxOe1qU_ImpfIzRbU
dv said:
Note that none of the charges relate to incitement of the insurrection.
That’s a whole other game.
And is this the trial that he was told not to blather about, on pain of having his bail revoked?
How is grizzling on social media about the choice of judge and venue not a violation of those terms?
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
Note that none of the charges relate to incitement of the insurrection.
That’s a whole other game.
And is this the trial that he was told not to blather about, on pain of having his bail revoked?
How is grizzling on social media about the choice of judge and venue not a violation of those terms?
The courts will tell him and so far he’s been stum in the court room.
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
Note that none of the charges relate to incitement of the insurrection.
That’s a whole other game.
And is this the trial that he was told not to blather about, on pain of having his bail revoked?
How is grizzling on social media about the choice of judge and venue not a violation of those terms?
The courts will tell him and so far he’s been stum in the court room.
Hopefully he’s treated like any other person appearing in court and made to follow procedure down to the letter and reprimanded if he’s difficult.
The yanks do seem to treat what should be a formal organised procedure drive event into a circus
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
Note that none of the charges relate to incitement of the insurrection.
That’s a whole other game.
And is this the trial that he was told not to blather about, on pain of having his bail revoked?
How is grizzling on social media about the choice of judge and venue not a violation of those terms?
Pretty sure there’s no bail involved. Yet.
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:That’s a whole other game.
And is this the trial that he was told not to blather about, on pain of having his bail revoked?
How is grizzling on social media about the choice of judge and venue not a violation of those terms?
The courts will tell him and so far he’s been stum in the court room.
Hopefully he’s treated like any other person appearing in court and made to follow procedure down to the letter and reprimanded if he’s difficult.
The yanks do seem to treat what should be a formal organised procedure drive event into a circus
They do love their circus show with all of its snake oil salesmen and freaks.
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:That’s a whole other game.
And is this the trial that he was told not to blather about, on pain of having his bail revoked?
How is grizzling on social media about the choice of judge and venue not a violation of those terms?
The courts will tell him and so far he’s been stum in the court room.
Hopefully he’s treated like any other person appearing in court and made to follow procedure down to the letter and reprimanded if he’s difficult.
The yanks do seem to treat what should be a formal organised procedure drive event into a circus
I remember back in 2004 saying something crap about Bush and Brett’s aunty Barbara yelling at me that no one will say anything against the president in my house.
I think that maybe Trump has destroyed that automatic honour for a president thing.
kii said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
Note that none of the charges relate to incitement of the insurrection.
That’s a whole other game.
And is this the trial that he was told not to blather about, on pain of having his bail revoked?
How is grizzling on social media about the choice of judge and venue not a violation of those terms?
Pretty sure there’s no bail involved. Yet.
That requires a sentencing doesn’t it?
sarahs mum said:
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:The courts will tell him and so far he’s been stum in the court room.
Hopefully he’s treated like any other person appearing in court and made to follow procedure down to the letter and reprimanded if he’s difficult.
The yanks do seem to treat what should be a formal organised procedure drive event into a circus
I remember back in 2004 saying something crap about Bush and Brett’s aunty Barbara yelling at me that no one will say anything against the president in my house.
I think that maybe Trump has destroyed that automatic honour for a president thing.
A surprisingly large percentage still believe this and many of them are ardent supporters of Trump indicated by the amount who still believe he is president.
roughbarked said:
kii said:
captain_spalding said:That’s a whole other game.
And is this the trial that he was told not to blather about, on pain of having his bail revoked?
How is grizzling on social media about the choice of judge and venue not a violation of those terms?
Pretty sure there’s no bail involved. Yet.
That requires a sentencing doesn’t it?
Depends on the charges and if they think you are at risk of not turning up for further court appearances.
They can attach surety as well as another means to ensure you turn up.
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:
kii said:Pretty sure there’s no bail involved. Yet.
That requires a sentencing doesn’t it?
Depends on the charges and if they think you are at risk of not turning up for further court appearances.
They can attach surety as well as another means to ensure you turn up.
I would have asked for his passport. I mean someone with their own jet could be a flight risk.
Let’s talk about Trump, Georgia, Jaws, and antici….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uY-AhK6ykYY
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Beau says itis about to go down in Georgia.
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:
kii said:Pretty sure there’s no bail involved. Yet.
That requires a sentencing doesn’t it?
Depends on the charges and if they think you are at risk of not turning up for further court appearances.
They can attach surety as well as another means to ensure you turn up.
You’d assume that bail conditions would include no social media usage discussing the trial or anything related to it, including defamation of witnesses, prosecution, judges, etc.
sarahs mum said:
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:That requires a sentencing doesn’t it?
Depends on the charges and if they think you are at risk of not turning up for further court appearances.
They can attach surety as well as another means to ensure you turn up.I would have asked for his passport. I mean someone with their own jet could be a flight risk.
We get it here in our courts, surrendering passport.
To the courts it should be just another day regardless of whose appearing and everyone acts professional
Cymek said:
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:That requires a sentencing doesn’t it?
Depends on the charges and if they think you are at risk of not turning up for further court appearances.
They can attach surety as well as another means to ensure you turn up.You’d assume that bail conditions would include no social media usage discussing the trial or anything related to it, including defamation of witnesses, prosecution, judges, etc.
Prosecutors filed a protective order prohibiting Mr Trump from sharing any legal materials with unauthorised people
Cymek said:
sarahs mum said:
Cymek said:Depends on the charges and if they think you are at risk of not turning up for further court appearances.
They can attach surety as well as another means to ensure you turn up.I would have asked for his passport. I mean someone with their own jet could be a flight risk.
We get it here in our courts, surrendering passport.
To the courts it should be just another day regardless of whose appearing and everyone acts professional
Our courts are like that, yes.
roughbarked said:
Cymek said:
Cymek said:Depends on the charges and if they think you are at risk of not turning up for further court appearances.
They can attach surety as well as another means to ensure you turn up.You’d assume that bail conditions would include no social media usage discussing the trial or anything related to it, including defamation of witnesses, prosecution, judges, etc.
Prosecutors filed a protective order prohibiting Mr Trump from sharing any legal materials with unauthorised people
He has until 5pm on Monday to respond to the proposed order.
Conservative intellectual blames the left for the socio-economic conditions that caused Trumpism:
…
What if We’re the Bad Guys Here?
Aug. 2, 2023
By David Brooks
Opinion Columnist
Donald Trump seems to get indicted on a weekly basis. Yet he is utterly dominating his Republican rivals in the polls, and he is tied with Joe Biden in the general election surveys. Trump’s poll numbers are stronger against Biden now than at any time in 2020.
What’s going on here? Why is this guy still politically viable, after all he’s done?
We anti-Trumpers often tell a story to explain that. It was encapsulated in a quote the University of North Carolina political scientist Marc Hetherington gave to my colleague Thomas B. Edsall recently: “Republicans see a world changing around them uncomfortably fast, and they want it to slow down, maybe even take a step backward. But if you are a person of color, a woman who values gender equality or an L.G.B.T. person, would you want to go back to 1963? I doubt it.”
In this story, we anti-Trumpers are the good guys, the forces of progress and enlightenment. The Trumpers are reactionary bigots and authoritarians. Many Republicans support Trump no matter what, according to this story, because at the end of the day, he’s still the bigot in chief, the embodiment of their resentments and that’s what matters to them most.
I partly agree with this story, but it’s also a monument to elite self-satisfaction.
So let me try another story on you. I ask you to try on a vantage point in which we anti-Trumpers are not the eternal good guys. In fact, we’re the bad guys.
This story begins in the 1960s, when high school grads had to go off to fight in Vietnam but the children of the educated class got college deferments. It continues in the 1970s, when the authorities imposed busing on working-class areas in Boston but not on the upscale communities like Wellesley where they themselves lived.
The ideal that we’re all in this together was replaced with the reality that the educated class lives in a world up here and everybody else is forced into a world down there. Members of our class are always publicly speaking out for the marginalized, but somehow we always end up building systems that serve ourselves.
The most important of those systems is the modern meritocracy. We built an entire social order that sorts and excludes people on the basis of the quality that we possess most: academic achievement. Highly educated parents go to elite schools, marry each other, work at high-paying professional jobs and pour enormous resources into our children, who get into the same elite schools, marry each other and pass their exclusive class privileges down from generation to generation.
Daniel Markovits summarized years of research in his book “The Meritocracy Trap”: “Today, middle-class children lose out to the rich children at school, and middle-class adults lose out to elite graduates at work. Meritocracy blocks the middle class from opportunity. Then it blames those who lose a competition for income and status that, even when everyone plays by the rules, only the rich can win.”
The meritocracy isn’t only a system of exclusion; it’s an ethos. During his presidency, Barack Obama used the word “smart” in the context of his policies over 900 times. The implication was that anybody who disagreed with his policies (and perhaps didn’t go to Harvard Law) must be stupid.
Over the last decades, we’ve taken over whole professions and locked everybody else out. When I began my journalism career in Chicago in the 1980s, there were still some old crusty working-class guys around the newsroom. Now we’re not only a college-dominated profession; we’re an elite-college-dominated profession. Only 0.8 percent of college students graduate from the super-elite 12 schools (the Ivy League colleges, plus Stanford, M.I.T., Duke and the University of Chicago). A 2018 study found that more than 50 percent of the staff writers at the beloved New York Times and The Wall Street Journal attended one of the 29 most elite universities in the nation.
Writing in Compact magazine, Michael Lind observes that the upper-middle-class job market looks like a candelabrum: “Those who manage to squeeze through the stem of a few prestigious colleges and universities in their youth can then branch out to fill leadership positions in almost every vocation.”
Or, as Markovits puts it, “elite graduates monopolize the best jobs and at the same time invent new technologies that privilege superskilled workers, making the best jobs better and all other jobs worse.”
Members of our class also segregate ourselves into a few booming metro areas: San Francisco, D.C., Austin and so on. In 2020, Biden won only 500 or so counties, but together they are responsible for 71 percent of the American economy. Trump won over 2,500 counties, responsible for only 29 percent. Once we find our cliques, we don’t get out much. In the book “Social Class in the 21st Century,” the sociologist Mike Savage and his co-researchers found that the members of the highly educated class tend to be the most insular, measured by how often we have contact with those who have jobs unlike our own.
Armed with all kinds of economic, cultural and political power, we support policies that help ourselves. Free trade makes the products we buy cheaper, and our jobs are unlikely to be moved to China. Open immigration makes our service staff cheaper, but new, less-educated immigrants aren’t likely to put downward pressure on our wages.
Like all elites, we use language and mores as tools to recognize one another and exclude others. Using words like “problematic,” “cisgender,” “Latinx” and “intersectional” is a sure sign that you’ve got cultural capital coming out of your ears. Meanwhile, members of the less-educated classes have to walk on eggshells because they never know when we’ve changed the usage rules so that something that was sayable five years ago now gets you fired.
We also change the moral norms in ways that suit ourselves, never mind the cost to others. For example, there used to be a norm that discouraged people from having children outside marriage, but that got washed away during our period of cultural dominance, as we eroded norms that seemed judgmental or that might inhibit individual freedom.
After this social norm was eroded, a funny thing happened. Members of our class still overwhelmingly married and had children within wedlock. People without our resources, unsupported by social norms, were less able to do that. As Adrian Wooldridge points out in his magisterial 2021 book, “The Aristocracy of Talent,” “Sixty percent of births to women with only a high school certificate occur out of wedlock, compared with only 10 percent to women with a university degree.” That matters, he continues, because “the rate of single parenting is the most significant predictor of social immobility in the country.”
Does this mean that I think the people in my class are vicious and evil? No. Most of us are earnest, kind and public-spirited. But we take for granted and benefit from systems that have become oppressive. Elite institutions have become so politically progressive in part because the people in them want to feel good about themselves as they take part in systems that exclude and reject.
It’s easy to understand why people in less-educated classes would conclude that they are under economic, political, cultural and moral assault — and why they’ve rallied around Trump as their best warrior against the educated class. He understood that it’s not the entrepreneurs who seem most threatening to workers; it’s the professional class. Trump understood that there was great demand for a leader who would stick his thumb in our eyes on a daily basis and reject the whole epistemic regime that we rode in on.
If distrustful populism is your basic worldview, the Trump indictments seem like just another skirmish in the class war between the professionals and the workers, another assault by a bunch of coastal lawyers who want to take down the man who most aggressively stands up to them. Of course, the indictments don’t cause Trump supporters to abandon him. They cause them to become more fiercely loyal. That’s the polling story of the last six months.
Are Trump supporters right that the indictments are just a political witch hunt? Of course not. As a card-carrying member of my class, I still basically trust the legal system and the neutral arbiters of justice. Trump is a monster in the way we’ve all been saying for years and deserves to go to prison.
But there’s a larger context here. As the sociologist E. Digby Baltzell wrote decades ago, “History is a graveyard of classes which have preferred caste privileges to leadership.” That is the destiny our class is now flirting with. We can condemn the Trumpian populists until the cows come home, but the real question is: When will we stop behaving in ways that make Trumpism inevitable?
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/02/opinion/trump-meritocracy-educated.html
When will we stop behaving in ways that make Trumpism inevitable?
The minute we stop talking about him.
roughbarked said:
When will we stop behaving in ways that make Trumpism inevitable?The minute we stop talking about him.
He does seem to sum up the stereotyped American, loud mouth, opinionated, ignorant and xenophobic
Witty Rejoinder said:
Conservative intellectual blames the left for the socio-economic conditions that caused Trumpism:…
What if We’re the Bad Guys Here?
Aug. 2, 2023By David Brooks
Opinion ColumnistDonald Trump seems to get indicted on a weekly basis. Yet he is utterly dominating his Republican rivals in the polls, and he is tied with Joe Biden in the general election surveys. Trump’s poll numbers are stronger against Biden now than at any time in 2020.
What’s going on here? Why is this guy still politically viable, after all he’s done?
We anti-Trumpers often tell a story to explain that. It was encapsulated in a quote the University of North Carolina political scientist Marc Hetherington gave to my colleague Thomas B. Edsall recently: “Republicans see a world changing around them uncomfortably fast, and they want it to slow down, maybe even take a step backward. But if you are a person of color, a woman who values gender equality or an L.G.B.T. person, would you want to go back to 1963? I doubt it.”
In this story, we anti-Trumpers are the good guys, the forces of progress and enlightenment. The Trumpers are reactionary bigots and authoritarians. Many Republicans support Trump no matter what, according to this story, because at the end of the day, he’s still the bigot in chief, the embodiment of their resentments and that’s what matters to them most.
I partly agree with this story, but it’s also a monument to elite self-satisfaction.
So let me try another story on you. I ask you to try on a vantage point in which we anti-Trumpers are not the eternal good guys. In fact, we’re the bad guys.
This story begins in the 1960s, when high school grads had to go off to fight in Vietnam but the children of the educated class got college deferments. It continues in the 1970s, when the authorities imposed busing on working-class areas in Boston but not on the upscale communities like Wellesley where they themselves lived.
The ideal that we’re all in this together was replaced with the reality that the educated class lives in a world up here and everybody else is forced into a world down there. Members of our class are always publicly speaking out for the marginalized, but somehow we always end up building systems that serve ourselves.
The most important of those systems is the modern meritocracy. We built an entire social order that sorts and excludes people on the basis of the quality that we possess most: academic achievement. Highly educated parents go to elite schools, marry each other, work at high-paying professional jobs and pour enormous resources into our children, who get into the same elite schools, marry each other and pass their exclusive class privileges down from generation to generation.
Daniel Markovits summarized years of research in his book “The Meritocracy Trap”: “Today, middle-class children lose out to the rich children at school, and middle-class adults lose out to elite graduates at work. Meritocracy blocks the middle class from opportunity. Then it blames those who lose a competition for income and status that, even when everyone plays by the rules, only the rich can win.”
The meritocracy isn’t only a system of exclusion; it’s an ethos. During his presidency, Barack Obama used the word “smart” in the context of his policies over 900 times. The implication was that anybody who disagreed with his policies (and perhaps didn’t go to Harvard Law) must be stupid.
Over the last decades, we’ve taken over whole professions and locked everybody else out. When I began my journalism career in Chicago in the 1980s, there were still some old crusty working-class guys around the newsroom. Now we’re not only a college-dominated profession; we’re an elite-college-dominated profession. Only 0.8 percent of college students graduate from the super-elite 12 schools (the Ivy League colleges, plus Stanford, M.I.T., Duke and the University of Chicago). A 2018 study found that more than 50 percent of the staff writers at the beloved New York Times and The Wall Street Journal attended one of the 29 most elite universities in the nation.
Writing in Compact magazine, Michael Lind observes that the upper-middle-class job market looks like a candelabrum: “Those who manage to squeeze through the stem of a few prestigious colleges and universities in their youth can then branch out to fill leadership positions in almost every vocation.”
Or, as Markovits puts it, “elite graduates monopolize the best jobs and at the same time invent new technologies that privilege superskilled workers, making the best jobs better and all other jobs worse.”
Members of our class also segregate ourselves into a few booming metro areas: San Francisco, D.C., Austin and so on. In 2020, Biden won only 500 or so counties, but together they are responsible for 71 percent of the American economy. Trump won over 2,500 counties, responsible for only 29 percent. Once we find our cliques, we don’t get out much. In the book “Social Class in the 21st Century,” the sociologist Mike Savage and his co-researchers found that the members of the highly educated class tend to be the most insular, measured by how often we have contact with those who have jobs unlike our own.
Armed with all kinds of economic, cultural and political power, we support policies that help ourselves. Free trade makes the products we buy cheaper, and our jobs are unlikely to be moved to China. Open immigration makes our service staff cheaper, but new, less-educated immigrants aren’t likely to put downward pressure on our wages.
Like all elites, we use language and mores as tools to recognize one another and exclude others. Using words like “problematic,” “cisgender,” “Latinx” and “intersectional” is a sure sign that you’ve got cultural capital coming out of your ears. Meanwhile, members of the less-educated classes have to walk on eggshells because they never know when we’ve changed the usage rules so that something that was sayable five years ago now gets you fired.
We also change the moral norms in ways that suit ourselves, never mind the cost to others. For example, there used to be a norm that discouraged people from having children outside marriage, but that got washed away during our period of cultural dominance, as we eroded norms that seemed judgmental or that might inhibit individual freedom.
After this social norm was eroded, a funny thing happened. Members of our class still overwhelmingly married and had children within wedlock. People without our resources, unsupported by social norms, were less able to do that. As Adrian Wooldridge points out in his magisterial 2021 book, “The Aristocracy of Talent,” “Sixty percent of births to women with only a high school certificate occur out of wedlock, compared with only 10 percent to women with a university degree.” That matters, he continues, because “the rate of single parenting is the most significant predictor of social immobility in the country.”
Does this mean that I think the people in my class are vicious and evil? No. Most of us are earnest, kind and public-spirited. But we take for granted and benefit from systems that have become oppressive. Elite institutions have become so politically progressive in part because the people in them want to feel good about themselves as they take part in systems that exclude and reject.
It’s easy to understand why people in less-educated classes would conclude that they are under economic, political, cultural and moral assault — and why they’ve rallied around Trump as their best warrior against the educated class. He understood that it’s not the entrepreneurs who seem most threatening to workers; it’s the professional class. Trump understood that there was great demand for a leader who would stick his thumb in our eyes on a daily basis and reject the whole epistemic regime that we rode in on.
If distrustful populism is your basic worldview, the Trump indictments seem like just another skirmish in the class war between the professionals and the workers, another assault by a bunch of coastal lawyers who want to take down the man who most aggressively stands up to them. Of course, the indictments don’t cause Trump supporters to abandon him. They cause them to become more fiercely loyal. That’s the polling story of the last six months.
Are Trump supporters right that the indictments are just a political witch hunt? Of course not. As a card-carrying member of my class, I still basically trust the legal system and the neutral arbiters of justice. Trump is a monster in the way we’ve all been saying for years and deserves to go to prison.
But there’s a larger context here. As the sociologist E. Digby Baltzell wrote decades ago, “History is a graveyard of classes which have preferred caste privileges to leadership.” That is the destiny our class is now flirting with. We can condemn the Trumpian populists until the cows come home, but the real question is: When will we stop behaving in ways that make Trumpism inevitable?
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/02/opinion/trump-meritocracy-educated.html
That’s pretty classist.
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:
When will we stop behaving in ways that make Trumpism inevitable?The minute we stop talking about him.
He does seem to sum up the stereotyped American, loud mouth, opinionated, ignorant and xenophobic
and orange.
Bogsnorkler said:
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:
When will we stop behaving in ways that make Trumpism inevitable?The minute we stop talking about him.
He does seem to sum up the stereotyped American, loud mouth, opinionated, ignorant and xenophobic
and orange.
and shitgibbon?
Bogsnorkler said:
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:
When will we stop behaving in ways that make Trumpism inevitable?The minute we stop talking about him.
He does seem to sum up the stereotyped American, loud mouth, opinionated, ignorant and xenophobic
and orange.
Still there’s quite a lot of Orange Free States in the US.
roughbarked said:
When will we stop behaving in ways that make Trumpism inevitable?The minute we stop talking about him.
There’s quite a lot of discussion about this. I believe he has to be held accountable for his actions and to do that people need to be informed. It’s very painful, but if he is ignored then it will be worse.
kii said:
roughbarked said:
When will we stop behaving in ways that make Trumpism inevitable?The minute we stop talking about him.
There’s quite a lot of discussion about this. I believe he has to be held accountable for his actions and to do that people need to be informed. It’s very painful, but if he is ignored then it will be worse.
Yeah. There exists that. However, he thrives on the publicity.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Conservative intellectual blames the left for the socio-economic conditions that caused Trumpism:…
What if We’re the Bad Guys Here?
Aug. 2, 2023By David Brooks
Opinion ColumnistDonald Trump seems to get indicted on a weekly basis. Yet he is utterly dominating his Republican rivals in the polls, and he is tied with Joe Biden in the general election surveys. Trump’s poll numbers are stronger against Biden now than at any time in 2020.
What’s going on here? Why is this guy still politically viable, after all he’s done?
We anti-Trumpers often tell a story to explain that. It was encapsulated in a quote the University of North Carolina political scientist Marc Hetherington gave to my colleague Thomas B. Edsall recently: “Republicans see a world changing around them uncomfortably fast, and they want it to slow down, maybe even take a step backward. But if you are a person of color, a woman who values gender equality or an L.G.B.T. person, would you want to go back to 1963? I doubt it.”
In this story, we anti-Trumpers are the good guys, the forces of progress and enlightenment. The Trumpers are reactionary bigots and authoritarians. Many Republicans support Trump no matter what, according to this story, because at the end of the day, he’s still the bigot in chief, the embodiment of their resentments and that’s what matters to them most.
I partly agree with this story, but it’s also a monument to elite self-satisfaction.
So let me try another story on you. I ask you to try on a vantage point in which we anti-Trumpers are not the eternal good guys. In fact, we’re the bad guys.
This story begins in the 1960s, when high school grads had to go off to fight in Vietnam but the children of the educated class got college deferments. It continues in the 1970s, when the authorities imposed busing on working-class areas in Boston but not on the upscale communities like Wellesley where they themselves lived.
The ideal that we’re all in this together was replaced with the reality that the educated class lives in a world up here and everybody else is forced into a world down there. Members of our class are always publicly speaking out for the marginalized, but somehow we always end up building systems that serve ourselves.
The most important of those systems is the modern meritocracy. We built an entire social order that sorts and excludes people on the basis of the quality that we possess most: academic achievement. Highly educated parents go to elite schools, marry each other, work at high-paying professional jobs and pour enormous resources into our children, who get into the same elite schools, marry each other and pass their exclusive class privileges down from generation to generation.
Daniel Markovits summarized years of research in his book “The Meritocracy Trap”: “Today, middle-class children lose out to the rich children at school, and middle-class adults lose out to elite graduates at work. Meritocracy blocks the middle class from opportunity. Then it blames those who lose a competition for income and status that, even when everyone plays by the rules, only the rich can win.”
The meritocracy isn’t only a system of exclusion; it’s an ethos. During his presidency, Barack Obama used the word “smart” in the context of his policies over 900 times. The implication was that anybody who disagreed with his policies (and perhaps didn’t go to Harvard Law) must be stupid.
Over the last decades, we’ve taken over whole professions and locked everybody else out. When I began my journalism career in Chicago in the 1980s, there were still some old crusty working-class guys around the newsroom. Now we’re not only a college-dominated profession; we’re an elite-college-dominated profession. Only 0.8 percent of college students graduate from the super-elite 12 schools (the Ivy League colleges, plus Stanford, M.I.T., Duke and the University of Chicago). A 2018 study found that more than 50 percent of the staff writers at the beloved New York Times and The Wall Street Journal attended one of the 29 most elite universities in the nation.
Writing in Compact magazine, Michael Lind observes that the upper-middle-class job market looks like a candelabrum: “Those who manage to squeeze through the stem of a few prestigious colleges and universities in their youth can then branch out to fill leadership positions in almost every vocation.”
Or, as Markovits puts it, “elite graduates monopolize the best jobs and at the same time invent new technologies that privilege superskilled workers, making the best jobs better and all other jobs worse.”
Members of our class also segregate ourselves into a few booming metro areas: San Francisco, D.C., Austin and so on. In 2020, Biden won only 500 or so counties, but together they are responsible for 71 percent of the American economy. Trump won over 2,500 counties, responsible for only 29 percent. Once we find our cliques, we don’t get out much. In the book “Social Class in the 21st Century,” the sociologist Mike Savage and his co-researchers found that the members of the highly educated class tend to be the most insular, measured by how often we have contact with those who have jobs unlike our own.
Armed with all kinds of economic, cultural and political power, we support policies that help ourselves. Free trade makes the products we buy cheaper, and our jobs are unlikely to be moved to China. Open immigration makes our service staff cheaper, but new, less-educated immigrants aren’t likely to put downward pressure on our wages.
Like all elites, we use language and mores as tools to recognize one another and exclude others. Using words like “problematic,” “cisgender,” “Latinx” and “intersectional” is a sure sign that you’ve got cultural capital coming out of your ears. Meanwhile, members of the less-educated classes have to walk on eggshells because they never know when we’ve changed the usage rules so that something that was sayable five years ago now gets you fired.
We also change the moral norms in ways that suit ourselves, never mind the cost to others. For example, there used to be a norm that discouraged people from having children outside marriage, but that got washed away during our period of cultural dominance, as we eroded norms that seemed judgmental or that might inhibit individual freedom.
After this social norm was eroded, a funny thing happened. Members of our class still overwhelmingly married and had children within wedlock. People without our resources, unsupported by social norms, were less able to do that. As Adrian Wooldridge points out in his magisterial 2021 book, “The Aristocracy of Talent,” “Sixty percent of births to women with only a high school certificate occur out of wedlock, compared with only 10 percent to women with a university degree.” That matters, he continues, because “the rate of single parenting is the most significant predictor of social immobility in the country.”
Does this mean that I think the people in my class are vicious and evil? No. Most of us are earnest, kind and public-spirited. But we take for granted and benefit from systems that have become oppressive. Elite institutions have become so politically progressive in part because the people in them want to feel good about themselves as they take part in systems that exclude and reject.
It’s easy to understand why people in less-educated classes would conclude that they are under economic, political, cultural and moral assault — and why they’ve rallied around Trump as their best warrior against the educated class. He understood that it’s not the entrepreneurs who seem most threatening to workers; it’s the professional class. Trump understood that there was great demand for a leader who would stick his thumb in our eyes on a daily basis and reject the whole epistemic regime that we rode in on.
If distrustful populism is your basic worldview, the Trump indictments seem like just another skirmish in the class war between the professionals and the workers, another assault by a bunch of coastal lawyers who want to take down the man who most aggressively stands up to them. Of course, the indictments don’t cause Trump supporters to abandon him. They cause them to become more fiercely loyal. That’s the polling story of the last six months.
Are Trump supporters right that the indictments are just a political witch hunt? Of course not. As a card-carrying member of my class, I still basically trust the legal system and the neutral arbiters of justice. Trump is a monster in the way we’ve all been saying for years and deserves to go to prison.
But there’s a larger context here. As the sociologist E. Digby Baltzell wrote decades ago, “History is a graveyard of classes which have preferred caste privileges to leadership.” That is the destiny our class is now flirting with. We can condemn the Trumpian populists until the cows come home, but the real question is: When will we stop behaving in ways that make Trumpism inevitable?
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/02/opinion/trump-meritocracy-educated.html
Trump voters are mainly wealthy, with a median income approximately twice the national average. This has been borne out time and again by exit polls and district/county regression. They are the people who’ve done well out of the economic boom while the people who have been left behind voted for Clinton and Biden. The nonsense that Trump supporters are people who have been forgotten in a changing economy has to go away.
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Conservative intellectual blames the left for the socio-economic conditions that caused Trumpism:…
What if We’re the Bad Guys Here?
Aug. 2, 2023By David Brooks
Opinion ColumnistDonald Trump seems to get indicted on a weekly basis. Yet he is utterly dominating his Republican rivals in the polls, and he is tied with Joe Biden in the general election surveys. Trump’s poll numbers are stronger against Biden now than at any time in 2020.
What’s going on here? Why is this guy still politically viable, after all he’s done?
We anti-Trumpers often tell a story to explain that. It was encapsulated in a quote the University of North Carolina political scientist Marc Hetherington gave to my colleague Thomas B. Edsall recently: “Republicans see a world changing around them uncomfortably fast, and they want it to slow down, maybe even take a step backward. But if you are a person of color, a woman who values gender equality or an L.G.B.T. person, would you want to go back to 1963? I doubt it.”
In this story, we anti-Trumpers are the good guys, the forces of progress and enlightenment. The Trumpers are reactionary bigots and authoritarians. Many Republicans support Trump no matter what, according to this story, because at the end of the day, he’s still the bigot in chief, the embodiment of their resentments and that’s what matters to them most.
I partly agree with this story, but it’s also a monument to elite self-satisfaction.
So let me try another story on you. I ask you to try on a vantage point in which we anti-Trumpers are not the eternal good guys. In fact, we’re the bad guys.
This story begins in the 1960s, when high school grads had to go off to fight in Vietnam but the children of the educated class got college deferments. It continues in the 1970s, when the authorities imposed busing on working-class areas in Boston but not on the upscale communities like Wellesley where they themselves lived.
The ideal that we’re all in this together was replaced with the reality that the educated class lives in a world up here and everybody else is forced into a world down there. Members of our class are always publicly speaking out for the marginalized, but somehow we always end up building systems that serve ourselves.
The most important of those systems is the modern meritocracy. We built an entire social order that sorts and excludes people on the basis of the quality that we possess most: academic achievement. Highly educated parents go to elite schools, marry each other, work at high-paying professional jobs and pour enormous resources into our children, who get into the same elite schools, marry each other and pass their exclusive class privileges down from generation to generation.
Daniel Markovits summarized years of research in his book “The Meritocracy Trap”: “Today, middle-class children lose out to the rich children at school, and middle-class adults lose out to elite graduates at work. Meritocracy blocks the middle class from opportunity. Then it blames those who lose a competition for income and status that, even when everyone plays by the rules, only the rich can win.”
The meritocracy isn’t only a system of exclusion; it’s an ethos. During his presidency, Barack Obama used the word “smart” in the context of his policies over 900 times. The implication was that anybody who disagreed with his policies (and perhaps didn’t go to Harvard Law) must be stupid.
Over the last decades, we’ve taken over whole professions and locked everybody else out. When I began my journalism career in Chicago in the 1980s, there were still some old crusty working-class guys around the newsroom. Now we’re not only a college-dominated profession; we’re an elite-college-dominated profession. Only 0.8 percent of college students graduate from the super-elite 12 schools (the Ivy League colleges, plus Stanford, M.I.T., Duke and the University of Chicago). A 2018 study found that more than 50 percent of the staff writers at the beloved New York Times and The Wall Street Journal attended one of the 29 most elite universities in the nation.
Writing in Compact magazine, Michael Lind observes that the upper-middle-class job market looks like a candelabrum: “Those who manage to squeeze through the stem of a few prestigious colleges and universities in their youth can then branch out to fill leadership positions in almost every vocation.”
Or, as Markovits puts it, “elite graduates monopolize the best jobs and at the same time invent new technologies that privilege superskilled workers, making the best jobs better and all other jobs worse.”
Members of our class also segregate ourselves into a few booming metro areas: San Francisco, D.C., Austin and so on. In 2020, Biden won only 500 or so counties, but together they are responsible for 71 percent of the American economy. Trump won over 2,500 counties, responsible for only 29 percent. Once we find our cliques, we don’t get out much. In the book “Social Class in the 21st Century,” the sociologist Mike Savage and his co-researchers found that the members of the highly educated class tend to be the most insular, measured by how often we have contact with those who have jobs unlike our own.
Armed with all kinds of economic, cultural and political power, we support policies that help ourselves. Free trade makes the products we buy cheaper, and our jobs are unlikely to be moved to China. Open immigration makes our service staff cheaper, but new, less-educated immigrants aren’t likely to put downward pressure on our wages.
Like all elites, we use language and mores as tools to recognize one another and exclude others. Using words like “problematic,” “cisgender,” “Latinx” and “intersectional” is a sure sign that you’ve got cultural capital coming out of your ears. Meanwhile, members of the less-educated classes have to walk on eggshells because they never know when we’ve changed the usage rules so that something that was sayable five years ago now gets you fired.
We also change the moral norms in ways that suit ourselves, never mind the cost to others. For example, there used to be a norm that discouraged people from having children outside marriage, but that got washed away during our period of cultural dominance, as we eroded norms that seemed judgmental or that might inhibit individual freedom.
After this social norm was eroded, a funny thing happened. Members of our class still overwhelmingly married and had children within wedlock. People without our resources, unsupported by social norms, were less able to do that. As Adrian Wooldridge points out in his magisterial 2021 book, “The Aristocracy of Talent,” “Sixty percent of births to women with only a high school certificate occur out of wedlock, compared with only 10 percent to women with a university degree.” That matters, he continues, because “the rate of single parenting is the most significant predictor of social immobility in the country.”
Does this mean that I think the people in my class are vicious and evil? No. Most of us are earnest, kind and public-spirited. But we take for granted and benefit from systems that have become oppressive. Elite institutions have become so politically progressive in part because the people in them want to feel good about themselves as they take part in systems that exclude and reject.
It’s easy to understand why people in less-educated classes would conclude that they are under economic, political, cultural and moral assault — and why they’ve rallied around Trump as their best warrior against the educated class. He understood that it’s not the entrepreneurs who seem most threatening to workers; it’s the professional class. Trump understood that there was great demand for a leader who would stick his thumb in our eyes on a daily basis and reject the whole epistemic regime that we rode in on.
If distrustful populism is your basic worldview, the Trump indictments seem like just another skirmish in the class war between the professionals and the workers, another assault by a bunch of coastal lawyers who want to take down the man who most aggressively stands up to them. Of course, the indictments don’t cause Trump supporters to abandon him. They cause them to become more fiercely loyal. That’s the polling story of the last six months.
Are Trump supporters right that the indictments are just a political witch hunt? Of course not. As a card-carrying member of my class, I still basically trust the legal system and the neutral arbiters of justice. Trump is a monster in the way we’ve all been saying for years and deserves to go to prison.
But there’s a larger context here. As the sociologist E. Digby Baltzell wrote decades ago, “History is a graveyard of classes which have preferred caste privileges to leadership.” That is the destiny our class is now flirting with. We can condemn the Trumpian populists until the cows come home, but the real question is: When will we stop behaving in ways that make Trumpism inevitable?
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/02/opinion/trump-meritocracy-educated.html
Trump voters are mainly wealthy, with a median income approximately twice the national average. This has been borne out time and again by exit polls and district/county regression. They are the people who’ve done well out of the economic boom while the people who have been left behind voted for Clinton and Biden. The nonsense that Trump supporters are people who have been forgotten in a changing economy has to go away.
Huh!
Michael V said:
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Conservative intellectual blames the left for the socio-economic conditions that caused Trumpism:…
What if We’re the Bad Guys Here?
Aug. 2, 2023By David Brooks
Opinion ColumnistDonald Trump seems to get indicted on a weekly basis. Yet he is utterly dominating his Republican rivals in the polls, and he is tied with Joe Biden in the general election surveys. Trump’s poll numbers are stronger against Biden now than at any time in 2020.
What’s going on here? Why is this guy still politically viable, after all he’s done?
We anti-Trumpers often tell a story to explain that. It was encapsulated in a quote the University of North Carolina political scientist Marc Hetherington gave to my colleague Thomas B. Edsall recently: “Republicans see a world changing around them uncomfortably fast, and they want it to slow down, maybe even take a step backward. But if you are a person of color, a woman who values gender equality or an L.G.B.T. person, would you want to go back to 1963? I doubt it.”
In this story, we anti-Trumpers are the good guys, the forces of progress and enlightenment. The Trumpers are reactionary bigots and authoritarians. Many Republicans support Trump no matter what, according to this story, because at the end of the day, he’s still the bigot in chief, the embodiment of their resentments and that’s what matters to them most.
I partly agree with this story, but it’s also a monument to elite self-satisfaction.
So let me try another story on you. I ask you to try on a vantage point in which we anti-Trumpers are not the eternal good guys. In fact, we’re the bad guys.
This story begins in the 1960s, when high school grads had to go off to fight in Vietnam but the children of the educated class got college deferments. It continues in the 1970s, when the authorities imposed busing on working-class areas in Boston but not on the upscale communities like Wellesley where they themselves lived.
The ideal that we’re all in this together was replaced with the reality that the educated class lives in a world up here and everybody else is forced into a world down there. Members of our class are always publicly speaking out for the marginalized, but somehow we always end up building systems that serve ourselves.
The most important of those systems is the modern meritocracy. We built an entire social order that sorts and excludes people on the basis of the quality that we possess most: academic achievement. Highly educated parents go to elite schools, marry each other, work at high-paying professional jobs and pour enormous resources into our children, who get into the same elite schools, marry each other and pass their exclusive class privileges down from generation to generation.
Daniel Markovits summarized years of research in his book “The Meritocracy Trap”: “Today, middle-class children lose out to the rich children at school, and middle-class adults lose out to elite graduates at work. Meritocracy blocks the middle class from opportunity. Then it blames those who lose a competition for income and status that, even when everyone plays by the rules, only the rich can win.”
The meritocracy isn’t only a system of exclusion; it’s an ethos. During his presidency, Barack Obama used the word “smart” in the context of his policies over 900 times. The implication was that anybody who disagreed with his policies (and perhaps didn’t go to Harvard Law) must be stupid.
Over the last decades, we’ve taken over whole professions and locked everybody else out. When I began my journalism career in Chicago in the 1980s, there were still some old crusty working-class guys around the newsroom. Now we’re not only a college-dominated profession; we’re an elite-college-dominated profession. Only 0.8 percent of college students graduate from the super-elite 12 schools (the Ivy League colleges, plus Stanford, M.I.T., Duke and the University of Chicago). A 2018 study found that more than 50 percent of the staff writers at the beloved New York Times and The Wall Street Journal attended one of the 29 most elite universities in the nation.
Writing in Compact magazine, Michael Lind observes that the upper-middle-class job market looks like a candelabrum: “Those who manage to squeeze through the stem of a few prestigious colleges and universities in their youth can then branch out to fill leadership positions in almost every vocation.”
Or, as Markovits puts it, “elite graduates monopolize the best jobs and at the same time invent new technologies that privilege superskilled workers, making the best jobs better and all other jobs worse.”
Members of our class also segregate ourselves into a few booming metro areas: San Francisco, D.C., Austin and so on. In 2020, Biden won only 500 or so counties, but together they are responsible for 71 percent of the American economy. Trump won over 2,500 counties, responsible for only 29 percent. Once we find our cliques, we don’t get out much. In the book “Social Class in the 21st Century,” the sociologist Mike Savage and his co-researchers found that the members of the highly educated class tend to be the most insular, measured by how often we have contact with those who have jobs unlike our own.
Armed with all kinds of economic, cultural and political power, we support policies that help ourselves. Free trade makes the products we buy cheaper, and our jobs are unlikely to be moved to China. Open immigration makes our service staff cheaper, but new, less-educated immigrants aren’t likely to put downward pressure on our wages.
Like all elites, we use language and mores as tools to recognize one another and exclude others. Using words like “problematic,” “cisgender,” “Latinx” and “intersectional” is a sure sign that you’ve got cultural capital coming out of your ears. Meanwhile, members of the less-educated classes have to walk on eggshells because they never know when we’ve changed the usage rules so that something that was sayable five years ago now gets you fired.
We also change the moral norms in ways that suit ourselves, never mind the cost to others. For example, there used to be a norm that discouraged people from having children outside marriage, but that got washed away during our period of cultural dominance, as we eroded norms that seemed judgmental or that might inhibit individual freedom.
After this social norm was eroded, a funny thing happened. Members of our class still overwhelmingly married and had children within wedlock. People without our resources, unsupported by social norms, were less able to do that. As Adrian Wooldridge points out in his magisterial 2021 book, “The Aristocracy of Talent,” “Sixty percent of births to women with only a high school certificate occur out of wedlock, compared with only 10 percent to women with a university degree.” That matters, he continues, because “the rate of single parenting is the most significant predictor of social immobility in the country.”
Does this mean that I think the people in my class are vicious and evil? No. Most of us are earnest, kind and public-spirited. But we take for granted and benefit from systems that have become oppressive. Elite institutions have become so politically progressive in part because the people in them want to feel good about themselves as they take part in systems that exclude and reject.
It’s easy to understand why people in less-educated classes would conclude that they are under economic, political, cultural and moral assault — and why they’ve rallied around Trump as their best warrior against the educated class. He understood that it’s not the entrepreneurs who seem most threatening to workers; it’s the professional class. Trump understood that there was great demand for a leader who would stick his thumb in our eyes on a daily basis and reject the whole epistemic regime that we rode in on.
If distrustful populism is your basic worldview, the Trump indictments seem like just another skirmish in the class war between the professionals and the workers, another assault by a bunch of coastal lawyers who want to take down the man who most aggressively stands up to them. Of course, the indictments don’t cause Trump supporters to abandon him. They cause them to become more fiercely loyal. That’s the polling story of the last six months.
Are Trump supporters right that the indictments are just a political witch hunt? Of course not. As a card-carrying member of my class, I still basically trust the legal system and the neutral arbiters of justice. Trump is a monster in the way we’ve all been saying for years and deserves to go to prison.
But there’s a larger context here. As the sociologist E. Digby Baltzell wrote decades ago, “History is a graveyard of classes which have preferred caste privileges to leadership.” That is the destiny our class is now flirting with. We can condemn the Trumpian populists until the cows come home, but the real question is: When will we stop behaving in ways that make Trumpism inevitable?
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/02/opinion/trump-meritocracy-educated.html
Trump voters are mainly wealthy, with a median income approximately twice the national average. This has been borne out time and again by exit polls and district/county regression. They are the people who’ve done well out of the economic boom while the people who have been left behind voted for Clinton and Biden. The nonsense that Trump supporters are people who have been forgotten in a changing economy has to go away.
Huh!
The supporters we see in the media seem to be redneck gun totting anti government, racist, poorly educated people
The wealth part makes sense though as they’d think similar to the above but just have more money
Cymek said:
Michael V said:
dv said:Trump voters are mainly wealthy, with a median income approximately twice the national average. This has been borne out time and again by exit polls and district/county regression. They are the people who’ve done well out of the economic boom while the people who have been left behind voted for Clinton and Biden. The nonsense that Trump supporters are people who have been forgotten in a changing economy has to go away.
Huh!
The supporters we see in the media seem to be redneck gun totting anti government, racist, poorly educated people
The wealth part makes sense though as they’d think similar to the above but just have more money
They may well be anti-government, racist poorly educated people but they drive shiny pick-ups that cost $70000.
Michael V said:
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Conservative intellectual blames the left for the socio-economic conditions that caused Trumpism:…
What if We’re the Bad Guys Here?
Aug. 2, 2023By David Brooks
Opinion ColumnistDonald Trump seems to get indicted on a weekly basis. Yet he is utterly dominating his Republican rivals in the polls, and he is tied with Joe Biden in the general election surveys. Trump’s poll numbers are stronger against Biden now than at any time in 2020.
What’s going on here? Why is this guy still politically viable, after all he’s done?
We anti-Trumpers often tell a story to explain that. It was encapsulated in a quote the University of North Carolina political scientist Marc Hetherington gave to my colleague Thomas B. Edsall recently: “Republicans see a world changing around them uncomfortably fast, and they want it to slow down, maybe even take a step backward. But if you are a person of color, a woman who values gender equality or an L.G.B.T. person, would you want to go back to 1963? I doubt it.”
In this story, we anti-Trumpers are the good guys, the forces of progress and enlightenment. The Trumpers are reactionary bigots and authoritarians. Many Republicans support Trump no matter what, according to this story, because at the end of the day, he’s still the bigot in chief, the embodiment of their resentments and that’s what matters to them most.
I partly agree with this story, but it’s also a monument to elite self-satisfaction.
So let me try another story on you. I ask you to try on a vantage point in which we anti-Trumpers are not the eternal good guys. In fact, we’re the bad guys.
This story begins in the 1960s, when high school grads had to go off to fight in Vietnam but the children of the educated class got college deferments. It continues in the 1970s, when the authorities imposed busing on working-class areas in Boston but not on the upscale communities like Wellesley where they themselves lived.
The ideal that we’re all in this together was replaced with the reality that the educated class lives in a world up here and everybody else is forced into a world down there. Members of our class are always publicly speaking out for the marginalized, but somehow we always end up building systems that serve ourselves.
The most important of those systems is the modern meritocracy. We built an entire social order that sorts and excludes people on the basis of the quality that we possess most: academic achievement. Highly educated parents go to elite schools, marry each other, work at high-paying professional jobs and pour enormous resources into our children, who get into the same elite schools, marry each other and pass their exclusive class privileges down from generation to generation.
Daniel Markovits summarized years of research in his book “The Meritocracy Trap”: “Today, middle-class children lose out to the rich children at school, and middle-class adults lose out to elite graduates at work. Meritocracy blocks the middle class from opportunity. Then it blames those who lose a competition for income and status that, even when everyone plays by the rules, only the rich can win.”
The meritocracy isn’t only a system of exclusion; it’s an ethos. During his presidency, Barack Obama used the word “smart” in the context of his policies over 900 times. The implication was that anybody who disagreed with his policies (and perhaps didn’t go to Harvard Law) must be stupid.
Over the last decades, we’ve taken over whole professions and locked everybody else out. When I began my journalism career in Chicago in the 1980s, there were still some old crusty working-class guys around the newsroom. Now we’re not only a college-dominated profession; we’re an elite-college-dominated profession. Only 0.8 percent of college students graduate from the super-elite 12 schools (the Ivy League colleges, plus Stanford, M.I.T., Duke and the University of Chicago). A 2018 study found that more than 50 percent of the staff writers at the beloved New York Times and The Wall Street Journal attended one of the 29 most elite universities in the nation.
Writing in Compact magazine, Michael Lind observes that the upper-middle-class job market looks like a candelabrum: “Those who manage to squeeze through the stem of a few prestigious colleges and universities in their youth can then branch out to fill leadership positions in almost every vocation.”
Or, as Markovits puts it, “elite graduates monopolize the best jobs and at the same time invent new technologies that privilege superskilled workers, making the best jobs better and all other jobs worse.”
Members of our class also segregate ourselves into a few booming metro areas: San Francisco, D.C., Austin and so on. In 2020, Biden won only 500 or so counties, but together they are responsible for 71 percent of the American economy. Trump won over 2,500 counties, responsible for only 29 percent. Once we find our cliques, we don’t get out much. In the book “Social Class in the 21st Century,” the sociologist Mike Savage and his co-researchers found that the members of the highly educated class tend to be the most insular, measured by how often we have contact with those who have jobs unlike our own.
Armed with all kinds of economic, cultural and political power, we support policies that help ourselves. Free trade makes the products we buy cheaper, and our jobs are unlikely to be moved to China. Open immigration makes our service staff cheaper, but new, less-educated immigrants aren’t likely to put downward pressure on our wages.
Like all elites, we use language and mores as tools to recognize one another and exclude others. Using words like “problematic,” “cisgender,” “Latinx” and “intersectional” is a sure sign that you’ve got cultural capital coming out of your ears. Meanwhile, members of the less-educated classes have to walk on eggshells because they never know when we’ve changed the usage rules so that something that was sayable five years ago now gets you fired.
We also change the moral norms in ways that suit ourselves, never mind the cost to others. For example, there used to be a norm that discouraged people from having children outside marriage, but that got washed away during our period of cultural dominance, as we eroded norms that seemed judgmental or that might inhibit individual freedom.
After this social norm was eroded, a funny thing happened. Members of our class still overwhelmingly married and had children within wedlock. People without our resources, unsupported by social norms, were less able to do that. As Adrian Wooldridge points out in his magisterial 2021 book, “The Aristocracy of Talent,” “Sixty percent of births to women with only a high school certificate occur out of wedlock, compared with only 10 percent to women with a university degree.” That matters, he continues, because “the rate of single parenting is the most significant predictor of social immobility in the country.”
Does this mean that I think the people in my class are vicious and evil? No. Most of us are earnest, kind and public-spirited. But we take for granted and benefit from systems that have become oppressive. Elite institutions have become so politically progressive in part because the people in them want to feel good about themselves as they take part in systems that exclude and reject.
It’s easy to understand why people in less-educated classes would conclude that they are under economic, political, cultural and moral assault — and why they’ve rallied around Trump as their best warrior against the educated class. He understood that it’s not the entrepreneurs who seem most threatening to workers; it’s the professional class. Trump understood that there was great demand for a leader who would stick his thumb in our eyes on a daily basis and reject the whole epistemic regime that we rode in on.
If distrustful populism is your basic worldview, the Trump indictments seem like just another skirmish in the class war between the professionals and the workers, another assault by a bunch of coastal lawyers who want to take down the man who most aggressively stands up to them. Of course, the indictments don’t cause Trump supporters to abandon him. They cause them to become more fiercely loyal. That’s the polling story of the last six months.
Are Trump supporters right that the indictments are just a political witch hunt? Of course not. As a card-carrying member of my class, I still basically trust the legal system and the neutral arbiters of justice. Trump is a monster in the way we’ve all been saying for years and deserves to go to prison.
But there’s a larger context here. As the sociologist E. Digby Baltzell wrote decades ago, “History is a graveyard of classes which have preferred caste privileges to leadership.” That is the destiny our class is now flirting with. We can condemn the Trumpian populists until the cows come home, but the real question is: When will we stop behaving in ways that make Trumpism inevitable?
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/02/opinion/trump-meritocracy-educated.html
Trump voters are mainly wealthy, with a median income approximately twice the national average. This has been borne out time and again by exit polls and district/county regression. They are the people who’ve done well out of the economic boom while the people who have been left behind voted for Clinton and Biden. The nonsense that Trump supporters are people who have been forgotten in a changing economy has to go away.
Huh!
Biden voters are still wealthier than Trump voters. If you take out the effect of 90% support for Democrats in the Black community and greater support for Biden amongst poorer Latinos you can explain the double median income result. And amongst white voters Biden far leads amongst the college educated and the higher income that comes with it.
https://insidemedicine.substack.com/p/data-snapshot-biden-voters-outlive
Witty Rejoinder said:
Michael V said:
dv said:Trump voters are mainly wealthy, with a median income approximately twice the national average. This has been borne out time and again by exit polls and district/county regression. They are the people who’ve done well out of the economic boom while the people who have been left behind voted for Clinton and Biden. The nonsense that Trump supporters are people who have been forgotten in a changing economy has to go away.
Huh!
Biden voters are still wealthier than Trump voters. If you take out the effect of 90% support for Democrats in the Black community and greater support for Biden amongst poorer Latinos you can explain the double median income result. And amongst white voters Biden far leads amongst the college educated and the higher income that comes with it.
https://insidemedicine.substack.com/p/data-snapshot-biden-voters-outlive
“If you take out Latinos and Black people” lol
I can’t believe someone bothered to type that. “If you baseless exclude sets that includes about half the population, you get different results!” Literally laughing.
dv said:
Cymek said:
Michael V said:Huh!
The supporters we see in the media seem to be redneck gun totting anti government, racist, poorly educated people
The wealth part makes sense though as they’d think similar to the above but just have more money
They may well be anti-government, racist poorly educated people but they drive shiny pick-ups that cost $70000.
So what makes the anti-government, racist, poorly educated poor people decide to not vote for Trump?
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Cymek said:The supporters we see in the media seem to be redneck gun totting anti government, racist, poorly educated people
The wealth part makes sense though as they’d think similar to the above but just have more money
They may well be anti-government, racist poorly educated people but they drive shiny pick-ups that cost $70000.
So what makes the anti-government, racist, poorly educated poor people decide to not vote for Trump?
Presumably they need healthcare and look forward to being employed in one of Biden’s infrastructure programs.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Cymek said:The supporters we see in the media seem to be redneck gun totting anti government, racist, poorly educated people
The wealth part makes sense though as they’d think similar to the above but just have more money
They may well be anti-government, racist poorly educated people but they drive shiny pick-ups that cost $70000.
So what makes the anti-government, racist, poorly educated poor people decide to not vote for Trump?
Someone even more extreme¡
SCIENCE said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:They may well be anti-government, racist poorly educated people but they drive shiny pick-ups that cost $70000.
So what makes the anti-government, racist, poorly educated poor people decide to not vote for Trump?
Someone even more extreme¡
Yes, you’d imagine that the poor people who are racist, anti-government right-wingers either support Trump or worse, but they don’t constitute the majority of poor people (just a large minority).
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12379449/amp/Donald-Trump-eviscerates-USWNT-reignites-feud-Megan-Rapinoe-missed-penalty-got-knocked-FIFA-Womens-World-Cup-Nice-shot-Megan-USA-going-Hell.html
Apparently we’re going to hear a lot more about this guy in the months to come:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Rufo
Witty Rejoinder said:
Apparently we’re going to hear a lot more about this guy in the months to come:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Rufo
Oh, great…
Witty Rejoinder said:
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12379449/amp/Donald-Trump-eviscerates-USWNT-reignites-feud-Megan-Rapinoe-missed-penalty-got-knocked-FIFA-Womens-World-Cup-Nice-shot-Megan-USA-going-Hell.html
What a weird fellow
Witty Rejoinder said:
Apparently we’re going to hear a lot more about this guy in the months to come:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Rufo
Why tho?
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Apparently we’re going to hear a lot more about this guy in the months to come:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Rufo
Why tho?
Because the ranks of right-wing dog whistlers have been thinned a little bit in recent times as their dikcheadery catches up with them, and replacements are needed.
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
What a weird fellow
So The USSA Started Losing After Switching From Republican To Democratic What Does That Say Eh¿
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Apparently we’re going to hear a lot more about this guy in the months to come:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Rufo
Why tho?
Because the ranks of right-wing dog whistlers have been thinned a little bit in recent times as their dikcheadery catches up with them, and replacements are needed.
And with his recently released book he scored an interview with ‘The Intercept’ and a piece in ‘The Economist’ so his dumbfuckery appeals to a diverse demographic.
How Trump will fight back in court
By Ruth Marcus
Associate editor
August 6, 2023 at 7:00 a.m. EDT
Now the legal wrangling begins. The indictment of Donald Trump lays out four felony counts: conspiracy to defraud the United States; conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding; obstruction and attempt to obstruct an official proceeding; and conspiracy against voting rights.
Trump’s lawyers will surely move to challenge the legal sufficiency of the case, arguing that the allegations, even if true, don’t amount to a crime and filing a motion to dismiss the indictment even before the case goes to trial. I think they’ll lose; even if some charges are knocked out or pared back, prosecutors will be able to proceed on others. Trump will then have to wait for an appeal, if he is convicted, to raise the legal arguments again.
Here are the strongest — although perhaps not all that strong — claims we can expect to hear ahead of trial:
Argument #1: The statutes governing conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding and obstruction of an official proceeding (Counts Two and Three) don’t apply here, because that prohibition only covers destruction of evidence and other forms of evidence tampering.
The relevant law, 18 U.S.C. 1512©, provides that whoever “corruptly (1) alters, destroys, mutilates, or conceals a record, document, or other object, or attempts to do so, with the intent to impair the object’s integrity or availability for use in an official proceeding; or (2) otherwise obstructs, influences, or impedes any official proceeding, or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.”
Most courts have broadly interpreted the second, “otherwise obstructs” language to cover conduct that ranges beyond document destruction. The provision, the Supreme Court said in a 1995 decision, “serves as a catchall, prohibiting persons from endeavoring to influence, obstruct, or impede the due administration of justice.”
Some Jan. 6 defendants have argued that the law does not cover conduct outside the general area of document destruction or witness tampering. But the language is broader than that. As U.S. Appeals Court Judge Florence Pan, a Biden appointee, wrote in an April ruling, U.S. v. Fischer, upholding the use of the obstruction statute, “no fewer than fourteen district judges in this jurisdiction have adopted the broad reading of the statute urged by the government to uphold the prosecution of defendants who allegedly participated in the Capitol riot.”
That doesn’t doom Trump’s argument. Trump nominee Gregory Katsas, dissented, arguing that the “otherwise obstructs” language meant that the illegal conduct had to have something to do with evidence. After all, he noted, the provision was part of the Sarbanes-Oxley Act, enacted in the wake of the Enron scandal in response to corporate wrongdoing and document destruction.
“Section 1512©(2) has been on the books for two decades and charged in thousands of cases — yet until the prosecutions arising from the January 6 riot, it was uniformly treated as an evidence-impairment crime,” Katsas wrote.
Even if Katsas is correct, however, prosecutors could argue that Trump’s efforts to prevent the election results from being certified are closer to evidence tampering than is the rioters’ conduct in assaulting police officers. Still, this is an issue on its way to the Supreme Court, and it’s not certain how the majority, which has been wary of endorsing broad interpretations of anti-corruption laws, would rule on the issue.
Argument #2: Trump lacked the requisite intent to break the law or to act corruptly, because he believed that he won the election and was only taking steps to vindicate his rights as the supposedly victorious candidate.
The intent question is a complicated one. The indictment repeatedly asserts that Trump knew he lost the election and sets out a mountain of evidence to that effect — his own statements, the conclusions of his top advisers, the unanimous findings of numerous courts.
At the same time, it recognizes that Trump had every right — whether he was lying or merely deluded — to argue that he had won. He just didn’t have the right to use illegal means to effectuate that victory. As Randall Eliason, a former federal public corruption prosecutor, has explained, “If I honestly believe a bank had cheated me and owes me money, that doesn’t mean I can rob the bank to get my money back.”
But the fact pattern in Trump’s case is a mix of perfectly legal claims of election fraud with other acts that prosecutors argue cross the line of legality — demanding that Georgia officials “find” the necessary votes to produce a win, arranging to submit phony slates of electors, pressing Vice President Mike Pence to refuse to certify the election after Pence insisted he had no such authority. (“You’re too honest,” Trump allegedly replied.)
The obstruction counts, as outlined above, require proof that the defendant acted “corruptly.” The meaning of corruptly under 1512© is far from settled, as the recent Fischer case from the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit illustrated. In that case, Pan wrote, “corruptly” was not at issue because the underlying obstructive action — assaulting Capitol police — was “independently unlawful.”
But the concurring judge, Justin Walker, a Trump nominee, said the “corruptly” provision requires proof the defendant “must intend to obtain a benefit that he knows is unlawful.” That at least gives Trump an opening to argue that he lacked the requisite intent in seeking to have himself declared the victor. Did he know he wasn’t entitled to the presidency? The D.C. Circuit is weighing the question in another Jan. 6 case argued in May; you can be sure both sides in the Trump case will be keeping a close eye on the ruling.
Whatever the meaning of corruptly, Trump’s argument under the conspiracy to defraud statute would be similar: that he was convinced the election had been stolen from him and he was making legitimate efforts to rectify the error. As the Justice Department’s instructions for prosecutors state, “The intent required for a conspiracy to defraud the government is that the defendant … performed acts or made statements that he/she knew to be false, fraudulent or deceitful to a government agency, which disrupted the functions of the agency or of the government.”
In the end, the issues of Trump’s state of mind and whether prosecutors have met their burden of proof will be questions for the jury to decide.
Argument #3: Trump relied on advice of counsel in pursuing his quest to remain in office.
Trump “had advice of counsel, a very detailed memorandum from a constitutional expert,” his new lawyer, John Lauro, told Fox News, referring to John Eastman, a former Chapman University law professor who was pressing outlandish arguments about Pence’s authority not to certify the election results and who is referred to in the indictment as co-conspirator 2.
I’m with Trump’s former attorney general, William P. Barr, on this one: “I don’t think that dog is going to hunt.” Reliance on advice of counsel is an affirmative defense available to Trump, but the lawyer actually has to be acting as the counsel (there’s no evidence that Trump retained Eastman for this purpose) and, even more important, that reliance has to be reasonable. Prosecutors will argue that Trump was told by numerous lawyers that Pence had no such power, notwithstanding Eastman’s contention to the contrary. The indictment notes that Trump, tellingly, excluded his own White House counsel from a meeting on the topic.
“He wouldn’t listen to all the lawyers … in various departments or the White House that had those responsibilities, or his campaign,” Barr said. “He would search for a lawyer who would give him the advice he wanted.”
Moreover, as a model prosecution memo produced by Just Security points out, the fact that the counsel on whom Trump supposedly relied is a (so-far unindicted) co-conspirator undercuts Trump’s ability to pursue this argument. In a 1984 case rejecting the reliance on counsel defense, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit noted that the lawyer “was integrally involved in the sham operation.”
To get the issue before jurors, Trump will have to show that he relied in good faith on his lawyers’ advice. Even if jurors buy that, however, it would not knock out all the charges against Trump, just the parts of those — such as the slates of phony electors and the Pence certification — where Eastman’s advice played a central role.
Argument #4: The federal civil rights statute under which Trump is accused of conspiring to interfere with the right to vote does not cover the conduct at issue here.
The Reconstruction-era law, 18 U.S.C. 241, originally used against groups such as the Ku Klux Klan, prohibits conspiracies “to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person … in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States.” The indictment alleges that Trump and co-conspirators sought to interfere with “the right to vote, and to have one’s vote counted.”
As the Justice Department manual on election law offenses explains, Section 241 has been used to prosecute efforts to steal votes by hacking voting machines, to destroy voter registration applications and to keep people from getting rides to the polls by jamming telephone lines.
Earlier this year, a federal judge in New York upheld the use of Section 241 in a case involving a far-right activist’s effort to mislead Twitter users into thinking they could cast their votes for Hillary Clinton by posting hashtags on Twitter or Facebook or texting her name to a specific phone.
In rejecting the defendant’s argument that he wasn’t properly on notice that such conduct could be criminal under Section 241, the court quoted from a 1941 Supreme Court case: “It is no extension of the criminal statute … to find a violation of it in a new method of interference with the right which its words protect. For it is the constitutional right, regardless of the method of interference, which is the subject of the statute.”
Still, Trump could argue that prosecutors are using Section 241 far beyond its original, intended purpose. Preventing the vote from being certified is different, or so they could argue, from stopping people from casting ballots. “What Trump did, though reprehensible, bears no relation to what the statute covers,” National Review editorialized. I thought we were all textualists now, and the text of the statute clearly seems to cover Trump’s conduct. But brace yourself for this argument, too.
If Trump knows anything, it’s how to manipulate the legal system to his advantage, which in this case means throwing up a lot of arguments to see what will stick, in the hope, above all, of delaying a trial. After all, Trump’s winningest legal strategy would be to return to office and order the prosecution dismissed. But he may not be able to pull that off. An experienced federal judge, Tanya Chutkan, is overseeing the case. A former public defender, she well understands the importance of protecting Trump’s rights, but also that there is a public interest in having a speedy trial. If she rejects Trump’s arguments, his hopes lie in an acquittal or eventual success on appeal. But that is a long way down the road, and almost certainly after the next election.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/08/06/trump-jan-6-indictment-defense-pretrial-arguments/?
kii said:
dv said:
Arts said:
kii said:
So, any discussion about what happened in Montgomery, Alabama?
barely made the news here…. the brawl?
Not exactly front page news.
Worth a Google about the whole thing. The hat throwing, the chair, the guy who swam over to help, the crowd’s commentary…
See how much more fun things get when there’s no guns involved,
https://youtu.be/AZKRQmo4IWs
Long interview with Kinzinger. He actually calls trump out for his mental illness.
roughbarked said:
Judge Cannon’s PAST comes back to HAUNT HER in Trump Case
Seems it doesn’t have a transcript.
.From the first few comments, seems people don’t think much of her.
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
Judge Cannon’s PAST comes back to HAUNT HER in Trump Case
Seems it doesn’t have a transcript.
.From the first few comments, seems people don’t think much of her.
kii said:
Long interview with Kinzinger. He actually calls trump out for his mental illness.
How good is it to have a free pass to diminished responsibility¡
The Rev Dodgson said:
Seems it doesn’t have a transcript.
Sorry we’re busy toweek.
kii said:
https://youtu.be/AZKRQmo4IWsLong interview with Kinzinger. He actually calls trump out for his mental illness.
I was wondering whether the judge could ask for a mental assessment.
sarahs mum said:
SCIENCE said:
kii said:
Long interview with Kinzinger. He actually calls trump out for his mental illness.
How good is it to have a free pass to diminished responsibility¡
I was wondering whether the judge could ask for a mental assessment.
Person Woman Man Camera TV
SCIENCE said:
sarahs mum said:
SCIENCE said:
How good is it to have a free pass to diminished responsibility¡
I was wondering whether the judge could ask for a mental assessment.
Person Woman with crotch to grab Man Camera TV
fixed.
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
sarahs mum said:
I was wondering whether the judge could ask for a mental assessment.
Person Woman with crotch to grab Man Camera TV
fixed.
⚠ disclaimer we actually don’t know if the following is a reliable and truthful source or not
https://twitter.com/BandyXLee1/status/1688519809741230080
When President Joe Biden joined a picket line of autoworkers in Michigan on Tuesday, the historic moment offered a preview of next year’s election and underscored the president’s longtime commitment to a worker-centric economy.
Biden was visiting a day ahead of the 2024 Republican frontrunner, former President Donald Trump, who is hoping to cut into Biden’s support among blue-collar voters.
The competing visits, one day apart, set up one of the most direct contrasts between the likely rivals as they each increasingly look past the primary season to the general election.
Trump, who is not planning on joining a picket line, will speak instead at a non-union facility. The union doesn’t consider Trump’s event at Drake Enterprises in Clinton Township, Michigan, to be standing in solidarity with the UAW, according to a union source.
The White House believes that split screen will speak volumes.
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/09/26/politics/takeaways-joe-biden-uaw-michigan/index.html
A New York judge has found Donald Trump and his adult sons liable for fraud, saying the Trumps provided false financial statements for roughly a decade.
Judge Arthur Engoron’s ruling came days before the civil case involving the New York attorney general’s office and the former president was set to go to trial.
Engoron granted Attorney General Letitia James’ motion for summary judgment, finding Trump, his sons, and others “to be liable as a matter of law for persistent violations” of New York state law. He found the financial statements the Trumps provided to lenders and insurers for about a decade to be false and said they repeatedly engaged in fraud.
The judge said the remaining issues for trial are determining liability on other claims in the lawsuit, as well as how much Trump and the other defendants should pay.
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/09/26/politics/trump-organization-business-fraud/index.html
dv said:
When President Joe Biden joined a picket line of autoworkers in Michigan on Tuesday, the historic moment offered a preview of next year’s election and underscored the president’s longtime commitment to a worker-centric economy.Biden was visiting a day ahead of the 2024 Republican frontrunner, former President Donald Trump, who is hoping to cut into Biden’s support among blue-collar voters.
The competing visits, one day apart, set up one of the most direct contrasts between the likely rivals as they each increasingly look past the primary season to the general election.
Trump, who is not planning on joining a picket line, will speak instead at a non-union facility. The union doesn’t consider Trump’s event at Drake Enterprises in Clinton Township, Michigan, to be standing in solidarity with the UAW, according to a union source.
The White House believes that split screen will speak volumes.
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/09/26/politics/takeaways-joe-biden-uaw-michigan/index.html
Joe Biden wanders onto picket line.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
When President Joe Biden joined a picket line of autoworkers in Michigan on Tuesday, the historic moment offered a preview of next year’s election and underscored the president’s longtime commitment to a worker-centric economy.Biden was visiting a day ahead of the 2024 Republican frontrunner, former President Donald Trump, who is hoping to cut into Biden’s support among blue-collar voters.
The competing visits, one day apart, set up one of the most direct contrasts between the likely rivals as they each increasingly look past the primary season to the general election.
Trump, who is not planning on joining a picket line, will speak instead at a non-union facility. The union doesn’t consider Trump’s event at Drake Enterprises in Clinton Township, Michigan, to be standing in solidarity with the UAW, according to a union source.
The White House believes that split screen will speak volumes.
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/09/26/politics/takeaways-joe-biden-uaw-michigan/index.html
Joe Biden wanders onto picket line.
He probably thought it was the nurse giving out his dementia pills.
dv said:
A New York judge has found Donald Trump and his adult sons liable for fraud, saying the Trumps provided false financial statements for roughly a decade.Judge Arthur Engoron’s ruling came days before the civil case involving the New York attorney general’s office and the former president was set to go to trial.
Engoron granted Attorney General Letitia James’ motion for summary judgment, finding Trump, his sons, and others “to be liable as a matter of law for persistent violations” of New York state law. He found the financial statements the Trumps provided to lenders and insurers for about a decade to be false and said they repeatedly engaged in fraud.
The judge said the remaining issues for trial are determining liability on other claims in the lawsuit, as well as how much Trump and the other defendants should pay.
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/09/26/politics/trump-organization-business-fraud/index.html
Good. The forces that be definitely dislike fraud. This will get him locked up for sure.
dv said:
A New York judge has found Donald Trump and his adult sons liable for fraud, saying the Trumps provided false financial statements for roughly a decade.Judge Arthur Engoron’s ruling came days before the civil case involving the New York attorney general’s office and the former president was set to go to trial.
Engoron granted Attorney General Letitia James’ motion for summary judgment, finding Trump, his sons, and others “to be liable as a matter of law for persistent violations” of New York state law. He found the financial statements the Trumps provided to lenders and insurers for about a decade to be false and said they repeatedly engaged in fraud.
The judge said the remaining issues for trial are determining liability on other claims in the lawsuit, as well as how much Trump and the other defendants should pay.
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/09/26/politics/trump-organization-business-fraud/index.html
And a little more on that from the ABC.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-27/donald-trump-committed-fraud-in-new-york-civil-case-rules/102905260
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
When President Joe Biden joined a picket line of autoworkers in Michigan on Tuesday, the historic moment offered a preview of next year’s election and underscored the president’s longtime commitment to a worker-centric economy.Biden was visiting a day ahead of the 2024 Republican frontrunner, former President Donald Trump, who is hoping to cut into Biden’s support among blue-collar voters.
The competing visits, one day apart, set up one of the most direct contrasts between the likely rivals as they each increasingly look past the primary season to the general election.
Trump, who is not planning on joining a picket line, will speak instead at a non-union facility. The union doesn’t consider Trump’s event at Drake Enterprises in Clinton Township, Michigan, to be standing in solidarity with the UAW, according to a union source.
The White House believes that split screen will speak volumes.
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/09/26/politics/takeaways-joe-biden-uaw-michigan/index.html
Joe Biden wanders onto picket line.
Yeah, just Biden trying to be worke again.
roughbarked said:
Tesla battery on fire at major Queensland renewable energy storage site
The US are running Queensland now?
But good work restricting it to one battery anyway.
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
Tesla battery on fire at major Queensland renewable energy storage siteThe US are running Queensland now?
But good work restricting it to one battery anyway.
Shit. Wong Fred entirely.
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
Tesla battery on fire at major Queensland renewable energy storage siteThe US are running Queensland now?
But good work restricting it to one battery anyway.
Shit. Wong Fred entirely.
They’ll be along to put you out in the sun soon.
Trump’s approval rating has rebounded, as tends to happen a month or so after each arrest.
His “net favourability” is about 1.3% worse than Biden’s so it’s a tight contest.
Word on the street is that Michell Obama to lead the Dems.
Everybody likes her and she hasn’t put a foot wrong.
Would it work?
Peak Warming Man said:
Word on the street is that Michell Obama to lead the Dems.
Everybody likes her and she hasn’t put a foot wrong.
Would it work?
Well since racism and sexism is practically non-existent in the USA, it should work just fine.
OTOH, if my assumption there is a bit off, maybe it wouldn’t work so well.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Word on the street is that Michell Obama to lead the Dems.
Everybody likes her and she hasn’t put a foot wrong.
Would it work?
Well since racism and sexism is practically non-existent in the USA, it should work just fine.
OTOH, if my assumption there is a bit off, maybe it wouldn’t work so well.
The cult think she’s male. Ever since an unfortunate photo featuring a badly draped dress.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Word on the street is that Michell Obama to lead the Dems.
Everybody likes her and she hasn’t put a foot wrong.
Would it work?
Well since racism and sexism is practically non-existent in the USA, it should work just fine.
OTOH, if my assumption there is a bit off, maybe it wouldn’t work so well.
And I thought PWM had just made that up, but Bing tells me otherwise.
Peak Warming Man said:
Word on the street is that Michell Obama to lead the Dems.
Everybody likes her and she hasn’t put a foot wrong.
Would it work?
The Democrats seem to feel that they have only two choices: Joe Biden, or a female candidate.
Biden because he’s the incumbent, and a female candidate because (a) it’s the politically correct thing to do, and (b) the potential male candidates are as uninspiring as last week’s dishwater, and probably have as many skeletons in the cupboard as you can fit into a nightmare.
Kamala Harris has been a generally uninspiring Vice-President (which sort of goes with the job), has alienated some sections of the electorate, and hasn’t been ‘publicised’ very well by the Democratic Party. She’s been a Presidential nominee once before, didn’t make it, and may be seen as having had her chance.
Michelle…well, if she can be persuaded to run, she just might do the trick. Bring in the black American vote everywhere, the female vote in most places, and those who don’t want Biden, but who certainly don’t want Trump, either.
Peak Warming Man said:
Word on the street is that Michell Obama to lead the Dems.
Everybody likes her and she hasn’t put a foot wrong.
Would it work?
Just make sure there’s mail in ballots and everything will be fine
Peak Warming Man said:
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:The US are running Queensland now?
But good work restricting it to one battery anyway.
Shit. Wong Fred entirely.
They’ll be along to put you out in the sun soon.
As long as they wheel me back in afterwards of the requisite ten minutes. I’d broil if they forgot to come and get me..
captain_spalding said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Word on the street is that Michell Obama to lead the Dems.
Everybody likes her and she hasn’t put a foot wrong.
Would it work?
The Democrats seem to feel that they have only two choices: Joe Biden, or a female candidate.
Biden because he’s the incumbent, and a female candidate because (a) it’s the politically correct thing to do, and (b) the potential male candidates are as uninspiring as last week’s dishwater, and probably have as many skeletons in the cupboard as you can fit into a nightmare.
Kamala Harris has been a generally uninspiring Vice-President (which sort of goes with the job), has alienated some sections of the electorate, and hasn’t been ‘publicised’ very well by the Democratic Party. She’s been a Presidential nominee once before, didn’t make it, and may be seen as having had her chance.
Michelle…well, if she can be persuaded to run, she just might do the trick. Bring in the black American vote everywhere, the female vote in most places, and those who don’t want Biden, but who certainly don’t want Trump, either.
Bring back Hilary, I say. Dig her up, pump her full of whatever is needed, delete all her emails and then put her on the podium.
Peak Warming Man said:
Word on the street is that Michell Obama to lead the Dems.
Everybody likes her and she hasn’t put a foot wrong.
Would it work?
Nah.
Also I doubt she’d be interested.
Woodie said:
captain_spalding said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Word on the street is that Michell Obama to lead the Dems.
Everybody likes her and she hasn’t put a foot wrong.
Would it work?
The Democrats seem to feel that they have only two choices: Joe Biden, or a female candidate.
Biden because he’s the incumbent, and a female candidate because (a) it’s the politically correct thing to do, and (b) the potential male candidates are as uninspiring as last week’s dishwater, and probably have as many skeletons in the cupboard as you can fit into a nightmare.
Kamala Harris has been a generally uninspiring Vice-President (which sort of goes with the job), has alienated some sections of the electorate, and hasn’t been ‘publicised’ very well by the Democratic Party. She’s been a Presidential nominee once before, didn’t make it, and may be seen as having had her chance.
Michelle…well, if she can be persuaded to run, she just might do the trick. Bring in the black American vote everywhere, the female vote in most places, and those who don’t want Biden, but who certainly don’t want Trump, either.
Bring back Hilary, I say. Dig her up, pump her full of whatever is needed, delete all her emails and then put her on the podium.
I kind of admire her for having the hide to stick around after losing an election to whatsisname. I’d probably just crawl into a bottle of laudanum and die.
dv said:
Woodie said:
captain_spalding said:The Democrats seem to feel that they have only two choices: Joe Biden, or a female candidate.
Biden because he’s the incumbent, and a female candidate because (a) it’s the politically correct thing to do, and (b) the potential male candidates are as uninspiring as last week’s dishwater, and probably have as many skeletons in the cupboard as you can fit into a nightmare.
Kamala Harris has been a generally uninspiring Vice-President (which sort of goes with the job), has alienated some sections of the electorate, and hasn’t been ‘publicised’ very well by the Democratic Party. She’s been a Presidential nominee once before, didn’t make it, and may be seen as having had her chance.
Michelle…well, if she can be persuaded to run, she just might do the trick. Bring in the black American vote everywhere, the female vote in most places, and those who don’t want Biden, but who certainly don’t want Trump, either.
Bring back Hilary, I say. Dig her up, pump her full of whatever is needed, delete all her emails and then put her on the podium.
I kind of admire her for having the hide to stick around after losing an election to whatsisname. I’d probably just crawl into a bottle of laudanum and die.
You’re that fragile?
dv said:
Woodie said:
captain_spalding said:The Democrats seem to feel that they have only two choices: Joe Biden, or a female candidate.
Biden because he’s the incumbent, and a female candidate because (a) it’s the politically correct thing to do, and (b) the potential male candidates are as uninspiring as last week’s dishwater, and probably have as many skeletons in the cupboard as you can fit into a nightmare.
Kamala Harris has been a generally uninspiring Vice-President (which sort of goes with the job), has alienated some sections of the electorate, and hasn’t been ‘publicised’ very well by the Democratic Party. She’s been a Presidential nominee once before, didn’t make it, and may be seen as having had her chance.
Michelle…well, if she can be persuaded to run, she just might do the trick. Bring in the black American vote everywhere, the female vote in most places, and those who don’t want Biden, but who certainly don’t want Trump, either.
Bring back Hilary, I say. Dig her up, pump her full of whatever is needed, delete all her emails and then put her on the podium.
I kind of admire her for having the hide to stick around after losing an election to whatsisname. I’d probably just crawl into a bottle of laudanum and die.
Mmmmm….laudanum.
kii said:
dv said:
Woodie said:Bring back Hilary, I say. Dig her up, pump her full of whatever is needed, delete all her emails and then put her on the podium.
I kind of admire her for having the hide to stick around after losing an election to whatsisname. I’d probably just crawl into a bottle of laudanum and die.
Mmmmm….laudanum.
Tired of your chewables already?
roughbarked said:
kii said:
dv said:I kind of admire her for having the hide to stick around after losing an election to whatsisname. I’d probably just crawl into a bottle of laudanum and die.
Mmmmm….laudanum.
Tired of your chewables already?
In the shape of the Flintstones as well
roughbarked said:
dv said:
Woodie said:Bring back Hilary, I say. Dig her up, pump her full of whatever is needed, delete all her emails and then put her on the podium.
I kind of admire her for having the hide to stick around after losing an election to whatsisname. I’d probably just crawl into a bottle of laudanum and die.
You’re that fragile?
I wouldn’t say I’m all that fragile but if I couldn’t beat the worst presidential candidate ever yeah that would shake my confidence.
dv said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:I kind of admire her for having the hide to stick around after losing an election to whatsisname. I’d probably just crawl into a bottle of laudanum and die.
You’re that fragile?
I wouldn’t say I’m all that fragile but if I couldn’t beat the worst presidential candidate ever yeah that would shake my confidence.
Looks like America is not the place for you or myself to bother attempting to get elected in.
We know he’s the worst but half of the USA are yet to be convinced, apparently.
dv said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:I kind of admire her for having the hide to stick around after losing an election to whatsisname. I’d probably just crawl into a bottle of laudanum and die.
You’re that fragile?
I wouldn’t say I’m all that fragile but if I couldn’t beat the worst presidential candidate ever yeah that would shake my confidence.
Or your belief in American voters intelligence
roughbarked said:
dv said:
roughbarked said:
You’re that fragile?
I wouldn’t say I’m all that fragile but if I couldn’t beat the worst presidential candidate ever yeah that would shake my confidence.
Looks like America is not the place for you or myself to bother attempting to get elected in.
We know he’s the worst but half of the USA are yet to be convinced, apparently.
“yet”
fucking lol
roughbarked said:
dv said:
roughbarked said:You’re that fragile?
I wouldn’t say I’m all that fragile but if I couldn’t beat the worst presidential candidate ever yeah that would shake my confidence.
Looks like America is not the place for you or myself to bother attempting to get elected in.
We know he’s the worst but half of the USA are yet to be convinced, apparently.
I’m not sure I even want to be allied.
dv said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:I kind of admire her for having the hide to stick around after losing an election to whatsisname. I’d probably just crawl into a bottle of laudanum and die.
You’re that fragile?
I wouldn’t say I’m all that fragile but if I couldn’t beat the worst presidential candidate ever yeah that would shake my confidence.
Hilary’s problem, and the problem with her campaign leaders, was that they didn’t think that they’d have to beat Trump. That it required no effort on their part, because he’s such a clown that no-one in their right mind would vote for him. All they had to do was sit back, let him make a spectacle of himself, and the vast, sensible, majority of voters would put Hilary in the White House, smooth as silk.
Sun Tzu said that ‘he who lacks foresight and underestimates his enemy will surely be captured by him’, although Wookie probably would have been able to provide a good paraphrasing of that.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
roughbarked said:You’re that fragile?
I wouldn’t say I’m all that fragile but if I couldn’t beat the worst presidential candidate ever yeah that would shake my confidence.
Hilary’s problem, and the problem with her campaign leaders, was that they didn’t think that they’d have to beat Trump. That it required no effort on their part, because he’s such a clown that no-one in their right mind would vote for him. All they had to do was sit back, let him make a spectacle of himself, and the vast, sensible, majority of voters would put Hilary in the White House, smooth as silk.
Sun Tzu said that ‘he who lacks foresight and underestimates his enemy will surely be captured by him’, although Wookie probably would have been able to provide a good paraphrasing of that.
Hilary is no Mon Mothma that’s for sure
“Judge rules former US president Donald Trump defrauded banks and insurers as he built his real estate empire”.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-27/donald-trump-committed-fraud-in-new-york-civil-case-rules/102905260
The judge also ordered the appointment of a receiver to oversee the dissolution of the Trump Organisation and some other Trump businesses that operate in NY.
This will at least mean that next time he is president he will be at less risk of running afoul of the Emoluments clause.
dv said:
The judge also ordered the appointment of a receiver to oversee the dissolution of the Trump Organisation and some other Trump businesses that operate in NY.This will at least mean that next time he is president he will be at less risk of running afoul of the Emoluments clause.
Yeah those Emoluments clause are a worry.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
roughbarked said:You’re that fragile?
I wouldn’t say I’m all that fragile but if I couldn’t beat the worst presidential candidate ever yeah that would shake my confidence.
Hilary’s problem, and the problem with her campaign leaders, was that they didn’t think that they’d have to beat Trump. That it required no effort on their part, because he’s such a clown that no-one in their right mind would vote for him. All they had to do was sit back, let him make a spectacle of himself, and the vast, sensible, majority of voters would put Hilary in the White House, smooth as silk.
Sun Tzu said that ‘he who lacks foresight and underestimates his enemy will surely be captured by him’, although Wookie probably would have been able to provide a good paraphrasing of that.
They didn’t, I think, only underestimate their opponent, they fundamentally misread the electorate. In fact their (the Democratic Party’s) campaign probably helped fuel the division and further polarise things.
If the GOP had of put up another bread-and-butter, white male, insider candidate the Dems probably would have won..
captain_spalding said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Word on the street is that Michell Obama to lead the Dems.
Everybody likes her and she hasn’t put a foot wrong.
Would it work?
The Democrats seem to feel that they have only two choices: Joe Biden, or a female candidate.
Biden because he’s the incumbent, and a female candidate because (a) it’s the politically correct thing to do, and (b) the potential male candidates are as uninspiring as last week’s dishwater, and probably have as many skeletons in the cupboard as you can fit into a nightmare.
Kamala Harris has been a generally uninspiring Vice-President (which sort of goes with the job), has alienated some sections of the electorate, and hasn’t been ‘publicised’ very well by the Democratic Party. She’s been a Presidential nominee once before, didn’t make it, and may be seen as having had her chance.
Michelle…well, if she can be persuaded to run, she just might do the trick. Bring in the black American vote everywhere, the female vote in most places, and those who don’t want Biden, but who certainly don’t want Trump, either.
Not sure about Michelle.. I still think Mayor Pete is the future of the party.. I’d also be happy with an AOC tilt in about 10 years
diddly-squat said:
captain_spalding said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Word on the street is that Michell Obama to lead the Dems.
Everybody likes her and she hasn’t put a foot wrong.
Would it work?
The Democrats seem to feel that they have only two choices: Joe Biden, or a female candidate.
Biden because he’s the incumbent, and a female candidate because (a) it’s the politically correct thing to do, and (b) the potential male candidates are as uninspiring as last week’s dishwater, and probably have as many skeletons in the cupboard as you can fit into a nightmare.
Kamala Harris has been a generally uninspiring Vice-President (which sort of goes with the job), has alienated some sections of the electorate, and hasn’t been ‘publicised’ very well by the Democratic Party. She’s been a Presidential nominee once before, didn’t make it, and may be seen as having had her chance.
Michelle…well, if she can be persuaded to run, she just might do the trick. Bring in the black American vote everywhere, the female vote in most places, and those who don’t want Biden, but who certainly don’t want Trump, either.
Not sure about Michelle.. I still think Mayor Pete is the future of the party.. I’d also be happy with an AOC tilt in about 10 years
Bing says he is the same age as youngest daughter, so way too young to be a pres.
In my mind the big issue with the Dems is that they took their eye off the ball at a state level. They need to go back to basics, use grassroots political activism to re-energise their position in key State Legislatures.. then use this as a platform to gerrymander the fuck out of the electoral maps and in turn then reap the rewards in the House. The Senate is tricky, but suffice to say, the other thing they need to start pouring mega bucks into is reform of the SCOUS.
Winning presidential races is all fine and dandy, but it’s meaningless without the rest.
The Rev Dodgson said:
diddly-squat said:
captain_spalding said:The Democrats seem to feel that they have only two choices: Joe Biden, or a female candidate.
Biden because he’s the incumbent, and a female candidate because (a) it’s the politically correct thing to do, and (b) the potential male candidates are as uninspiring as last week’s dishwater, and probably have as many skeletons in the cupboard as you can fit into a nightmare.
Kamala Harris has been a generally uninspiring Vice-President (which sort of goes with the job), has alienated some sections of the electorate, and hasn’t been ‘publicised’ very well by the Democratic Party. She’s been a Presidential nominee once before, didn’t make it, and may be seen as having had her chance.
Michelle…well, if she can be persuaded to run, she just might do the trick. Bring in the black American vote everywhere, the female vote in most places, and those who don’t want Biden, but who certainly don’t want Trump, either.
Not sure about Michelle.. I still think Mayor Pete is the future of the party.. I’d also be happy with an AOC tilt in about 10 years
Bing says he is the same age as youngest daughter, so way too young to be a pres.
As you says, he may well be “too young”… but he is without doubt, “old enough”
diddly-squat said:
In my mind the big issue with the Dems is that they took their eye off the ball at a state level. They need to go back to basics, use grassroots political activism to re-energise their position in key State Legislatures.. then use this as a platform to gerrymander the fuck out of the electoral maps and in turn then reap the rewards in the House. The Senate is tricky, but suffice to say, the other thing they need to start pouring mega bucks into is reform of the SCOUS.
Winning presidential races is all fine and dandy, but it’s meaningless without the rest.
The gerrymander thing may be difficult if, as Heather Cox Richardson described just yesterday, the Republicans have got that angle wound up tight.
Neophyte said:
diddly-squat said:In my mind the big issue with the Dems is that they took their eye off the ball at a state level. They need to go back to basics, use grassroots political activism to re-energise their position in key State Legislatures.. then use this as a platform to gerrymander the fuck out of the electoral maps and in turn then reap the rewards in the House. The Senate is tricky, but suffice to say, the other thing they need to start pouring mega bucks into is reform of the SCOUS.
Winning presidential races is all fine and dandy, but it’s meaningless without the rest.
The gerrymander thing may be difficult if, as Heather Cox Richardson described just yesterday, the Republicans have got that angle wound up tight.
that’s where the grassroots political activism comes into play.. once an electorate has been gerrymandered, people often take their eye off the ball – these are the places the Dems need to identify and win back.
There are a couple of states where specific electorates use to be red red red, but are now very purple.
diddly-squat said:
In my mind the big issue with the Dems is that they took their eye off the ball at a state level. They need to go back to basics, use grassroots political activism to re-energise their position in key State Legislatures.. then use this as a platform to gerrymander the fuck out of the electoral maps and in turn then reap the rewards in the House. The Senate is tricky, but suffice to say, the other thing they need to start pouring mega bucks into is reform of the SCOUS.
Winning presidential races is all fine and dandy, but it’s meaningless without the rest.
One interesting phenomenon is that otherwise hard Red states are electing Dem governors, I guess to make sure nothing too crazy happens on voter rights or abortion. North Carolina, Kansas, Louisiana, Arizona, Kentucky all elected Democrat governors despite keeping Republican Legislatures, and there’s a good chance Mississippi will join them in November.
So Murdoch isn’t really going away.
sarahs mum said:
So Murdoch isn’t really going away.
They’ll be consulting him with the Ouija board before long.
e-, Latin prefix meaning out
meritus, Latin adjective meaning deserving
He’s out because he deserves it
I remember the university forums that the Emeritus Prof always turned up to. He was a treasure.
Can’t see Murdoch in a treasured role.
sarahs mum said:
I remember the university forums that the Emeritus Prof always turned up to. He was a treasure.Can’t see Murdoch in a treasured role.
Buried treasure.
sarahs mum said:
I remember the university forums that the Emeritus Prof always turned up to. He was a treasure.Can’t see Murdoch in a treasured role.
I want to see rupert read his own obituaries like Nobel did, just so he could see how much he was hated by nearly everyone.
My faint hope is that at that point he could also change his mind and use his power and fortune for good instead of evil.
But I doubt it.
Kingy said:
sarahs mum said:
I remember the university forums that the Emeritus Prof always turned up to. He was a treasure.Can’t see Murdoch in a treasured role.
I want to see rupert read his own obituaries like Nobel did, just so he could see how much he was hated by nearly everyone.
My faint hope is that at that point he could also change his mind and use his power and fortune for good instead of evil.
But I doubt it.
He probably thinks he is already.
The 2nd Republican debate is tonight. Looks like the same line up as last time except Hutchinson didn’t qualify.
Fancy voting in the senate to reduce the pay of certain Pentagon people to $1 p.a.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYLT_w_Dd2AYesterday, the Federal Trade Commission and 17 states filed an antitrust suit against Amazon, one of the biggest companies in the world, for monopolization and unfair methods of competition.
https://www.thebignewsletter.com/p/the-ftc-sues-to-break-up-amazon-over
dv said:
Yesterday, the Federal Trade Commission and 17 states filed an antitrust suit against Amazon, one of the biggest companies in the world, for monopolization and unfair methods of competition.https://www.thebignewsletter.com/p/the-ftc-sues-to-break-up-amazon-over
It’s just a little bit too capitalist
Did we do this while I was at Auntie Annie’s?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-29/court-rejects-trumps-bid-to-delay-trial/102917068
I know that piece has only just gone up, but there was an earlier one in their rolling news.
The two front runners for the presidency next year, one is going to gaol and one is gar gar.
Peak Warming Man said:
The two front runners for the presidency next year, one is going to gaol and one is gar gar.
What about the other one?
captain_spalding said:
Peak Warming Man said:
The two front runners for the presidency next year, one is going to gaol and one is gar gar.
What about the other one?
Getting on a bit but seems to be still all there so far.
https://youtu.be/Lhy5Y8xVHS0?si=dOOnPisqVBUJD_Lr
Legal Eagles: ranking Trump’s terrible lawyers
Dv..did you see the stuff about the senate cutting the pay for a couple of people in the Pentagon to $1 a year? How’s that for arsehole?
sarahs mum said:
Dv..did you see the stuff about the senate cutting the pay for a couple of people in the Pentagon to $1 a year? How’s that for arsehole?
I thought that was the house of Reps.
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
Dv..did you see the stuff about the senate cutting the pay for a couple of people in the Pentagon to $1 a year? How’s that for arsehole?I thought that was the house of Reps.
I’ve probably got it wrong.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
Dv..did you see the stuff about the senate cutting the pay for a couple of people in the Pentagon to $1 a year? How’s that for arsehole?I thought that was the house of Reps.
I’ve probably got it wrong.
I don’t think that legislation will become law
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:I thought that was the house of Reps.
I’ve probably got it wrong.
I don’t think that legislation will become law
good. coz it’s awful.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/09/trump-milley-death-fbi-threats.html
Trump Wants His Enemies to Fear for Their Lives
Last Friday, the Republican Party’s presidential front-runner suggested that America’s top general deserves to die. In a post on Truth Social, Donald Trump accused chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley of committing treason, “an act so egregious that, in times gone by, the punishment would have been DEATH!”
—-
Of course, it’s not remarkable for Trump to issue a baseless (yet incendiary) allegation against one of his critics. What is noteworthy — or at least, should be — is a leading presidential candidate deliberately trying to intimidate his perceived enemies through tacit threats of violence. And it seems fair to conclude that this is precisely what Trump is up to.
The ex-president’s remarks about Milley came amid a surge of violent threats against federal law enforcement, threats that his own rhetoric appears to have inspired.
On August 4, shortly after he was charged for seeking to overturn the 2020 election, Trump posted on Truth Social, “IF YOU GO AFTER ME, I’M COMING FOR YOU!”
One day later, one of the president’s supporters called that case’s presiding judge and told her that if Trump does not win reelection next year, “we are coming to kill you.”
Since the FBI searched Mar-a-Lago for classified documents last August, threats against federal law-enforcement employees and their families have increased by 300 percent, according to the New York Times. These threats have been so persistent and credible that the bureau has provided security details to a long list of law-enforcement officials, including career prosecutors working on cases against Trump.
Over the same time period, Trump has persistently assailed the FBI as an enemy of the American people that threatens the nation’s survival. In December of last year, Trump declared that the FBI, Department of Justice, and Democratic Party collectively comprised a “cancer” that was killing the country, writing, “These Weaponized Thugs and Tyrants must be dealt with, or our once great and beautiful country will die!!!”
Trump is not unaware of his supporters’ attempts to violently intimidate federal officials. Months before he announced that the FBI was a mortal threat to America that “must be dealt with,” a man equipped with body armor and an assault rifle tried to breach the FBI’s office in Cincinnati.
In June, Trump shared what he claimed to be Barack Obama’s home address on Truth Social. Hours later, a man armed with two guns and 400 rounds of ammo was arrested while seeking out ways to breach Obama’s private residence.
More recently, prosecutors have sought a gag order against Trump in the election-interference case, citing a deluge of threats against officials seemingly inspired by the ex-president’s social-media feed. Thus, Trump well understands the effect that his incendiary pronouncements are having. And he continues to suggest that his adversaries are enemies of the state and worthy of death nonetheless.
From the very start of his tenure in presidential politics, Trump has encouraged his supporters’ violent impulses while wielding their reputation for violence as a kind of leverage. When his rallygoers beat up a Black Lives Matter protester in November 2015, Trump called their actions “beautiful,” saying that the activist “should have been roughed up because it was absolutely disgusting what he was doing.”
In August 2016, he said that even if Hillary Clinton won, and acquired the legal authority to appoint Supreme Court justices, “Second Amendment people” might be able to stop her from doing so.
Earlier this year, Trump warned that there would be “potential death and destruction” if authorities in New York City arrested him.
The threat that Trump’s cultivation of political violence poses to our democratic life is not hypothetical. It manifested itself in the January 6 insurrection, and in the myriad, psychotic lone wolves who have sought to avenge Trump through acts of domestic terrorism, such as the man who attempted to kidnap Nancy Pelosi (before settling for bashing in her husband’s head) last year.
Perhaps more alarmingly, Trump’s capacity for directing violence at his enemies has reportedly dissuaded congressional Republicans from defying him. As McKay Coppins reported for The Atlantic earlier this month:
One Republican congressman confided to Romney that he wanted to vote for Trump’s second impeachment, but chose not to out of fear for his family’s safety. The congressman reasoned that Trump would be impeached by House Democrats with or without him—why put his wife and children at risk if it wouldn’t change the outcome? Later, during the Senate trial, Romney heard the same calculation while talking with a small group of Republican colleagues. When one senator, a member of leadership, said he was leaning toward voting to convict, the others urged him to reconsider. You can’t do that, Romney recalled someone saying. Think of your personal safety, said another. Think of your children. The senator eventually decided they were right.
The moment that an elected official changes their vote on a pressing public matter — not because they fear electoral backlash from their constituents, but because they fear that their party leader will endanger their children’s lives — democracy has been compromised.
Two weeks ago, we learned that this moment has already passed. Since then, the Republican front-runner has pronounced one of America’s top military officials worthy of death, fomented threats of violence against federal law-enforcement officials, and promised that, should he return to the White House, he will investigate adversarial news outlets for treason.
Yet these realities have not dominated national news coverage. Indeed, Trump’s remarks about Milley scarcely registered in the headlines. The fact that the leader of the Republican Party is an authoritarian who tacitly (and sometimes explicitly) encourages political violence may have lost some novelty over the past seven years. But it’s shed none of its menace or import.
The mainstream press is in a tough position. It has published reams of excellent reporting on Trump’s scandals and no shortage of op-eds denouncing him. The plurality of voters who support Trump over Biden in many recent polls are not ignorant of the ex-president’s contempt for election results or threats against federal law enforcement. Rather, they either believe that Trump’s conduct is justified given the deep state’s treachery, or they simply don’t care. Therefore, the electorate, the Republican Party, and every organ of mainstream conservatism are treating Trump as though he were an ordinary presidential candidate.
In this context, a news outlet can cover Trump’s affronts to democracy. But it can’t quite internalize them. For such a publication to fully behave as though it has a working memory — and a capacity to rationally weigh the significance of disparate pieces of information — would be for it to resemble a partisan rag.
The most salient truth about the 2024 election is that the Republican Party is poised to nominate an authoritarian thug who publishes rationalizations for political violence and promises to abuse presidential authority on a near-daily basis. There is no way for a paper or news channel to appropriately emphasize this reality without sounding like a shrill, dull, Democratic propaganda outlet. So, like the nation writ large, the press comports itself as an amnesiac, or an abusive household committed to keeping up appearances, losing itself in the old routines, in an effortful approximation of normality until it almost forgets what it doesn’t want to know.
https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2023/sep/26/hollywood-writers-strike-ends-studio-deal
The WGA won the writer’s strike so that’s good
Dianne Feinstein is dead.
kii said:
Dianne Feinstein is dead.
:(
dv said:
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/09/trump-milley-death-fbi-threats.htmlTrump Wants His Enemies to Fear for Their Lives
Last Friday, the Republican Party’s presidential front-runner suggested that America’s top general deserves to die. In a post on Truth Social, Donald Trump accused chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley of committing treason, “an act so egregious that, in times gone by, the punishment would have been DEATH!”
—-Of course, it’s not remarkable for Trump to issue a baseless (yet incendiary) allegation against one of his critics. What is noteworthy — or at least, should be — is a leading presidential candidate deliberately trying to intimidate his perceived enemies through tacit threats of violence. And it seems fair to conclude that this is precisely what Trump is up to.
The ex-president’s remarks about Milley came amid a surge of violent threats against federal law enforcement, threats that his own rhetoric appears to have inspired.
On August 4, shortly after he was charged for seeking to overturn the 2020 election, Trump posted on Truth Social, “IF YOU GO AFTER ME, I’M COMING FOR YOU!”
One day later, one of the president’s supporters called that case’s presiding judge and told her that if Trump does not win reelection next year, “we are coming to kill you.”
Since the FBI searched Mar-a-Lago for classified documents last August, threats against federal law-enforcement employees and their families have increased by 300 percent, according to the New York Times. These threats have been so persistent and credible that the bureau has provided security details to a long list of law-enforcement officials, including career prosecutors working on cases against Trump.
Over the same time period, Trump has persistently assailed the FBI as an enemy of the American people that threatens the nation’s survival. In December of last year, Trump declared that the FBI, Department of Justice, and Democratic Party collectively comprised a “cancer” that was killing the country, writing, “These Weaponized Thugs and Tyrants must be dealt with, or our once great and beautiful country will die!!!”
Trump is not unaware of his supporters’ attempts to violently intimidate federal officials. Months before he announced that the FBI was a mortal threat to America that “must be dealt with,” a man equipped with body armor and an assault rifle tried to breach the FBI’s office in Cincinnati.
In June, Trump shared what he claimed to be Barack Obama’s home address on Truth Social. Hours later, a man armed with two guns and 400 rounds of ammo was arrested while seeking out ways to breach Obama’s private residence.
More recently, prosecutors have sought a gag order against Trump in the election-interference case, citing a deluge of threats against officials seemingly inspired by the ex-president’s social-media feed. Thus, Trump well understands the effect that his incendiary pronouncements are having. And he continues to suggest that his adversaries are enemies of the state and worthy of death nonetheless.
From the very start of his tenure in presidential politics, Trump has encouraged his supporters’ violent impulses while wielding their reputation for violence as a kind of leverage. When his rallygoers beat up a Black Lives Matter protester in November 2015, Trump called their actions “beautiful,” saying that the activist “should have been roughed up because it was absolutely disgusting what he was doing.”
In August 2016, he said that even if Hillary Clinton won, and acquired the legal authority to appoint Supreme Court justices, “Second Amendment people” might be able to stop her from doing so.
Earlier this year, Trump warned that there would be “potential death and destruction” if authorities in New York City arrested him.
The threat that Trump’s cultivation of political violence poses to our democratic life is not hypothetical. It manifested itself in the January 6 insurrection, and in the myriad, psychotic lone wolves who have sought to avenge Trump through acts of domestic terrorism, such as the man who attempted to kidnap Nancy Pelosi (before settling for bashing in her husband’s head) last year.
Perhaps more alarmingly, Trump’s capacity for directing violence at his enemies has reportedly dissuaded congressional Republicans from defying him. As McKay Coppins reported for The Atlantic earlier this month:
One Republican congressman confided to Romney that he wanted to vote for Trump’s second impeachment, but chose not to out of fear for his family’s safety. The congressman reasoned that Trump would be impeached by House Democrats with or without him—why put his wife and children at risk if it wouldn’t change the outcome? Later, during the Senate trial, Romney heard the same calculation while talking with a small group of Republican colleagues. When one senator, a member of leadership, said he was leaning toward voting to convict, the others urged him to reconsider. You can’t do that, Romney recalled someone saying. Think of your personal safety, said another. Think of your children. The senator eventually decided they were right.
The moment that an elected official changes their vote on a pressing public matter — not because they fear electoral backlash from their constituents, but because they fear that their party leader will endanger their children’s lives — democracy has been compromised.
Two weeks ago, we learned that this moment has already passed. Since then, the Republican front-runner has pronounced one of America’s top military officials worthy of death, fomented threats of violence against federal law-enforcement officials, and promised that, should he return to the White House, he will investigate adversarial news outlets for treason.
Yet these realities have not dominated national news coverage. Indeed, Trump’s remarks about Milley scarcely registered in the headlines. The fact that the leader of the Republican Party is an authoritarian who tacitly (and sometimes explicitly) encourages political violence may have lost some novelty over the past seven years. But it’s shed none of its menace or import.
The mainstream press is in a tough position. It has published reams of excellent reporting on Trump’s scandals and no shortage of op-eds denouncing him. The plurality of voters who support Trump over Biden in many recent polls are not ignorant of the ex-president’s contempt for election results or threats against federal law enforcement. Rather, they either believe that Trump’s conduct is justified given the deep state’s treachery, or they simply don’t care. Therefore, the electorate, the Republican Party, and every organ of mainstream conservatism are treating Trump as though he were an ordinary presidential candidate.
In this context, a news outlet can cover Trump’s affronts to democracy. But it can’t quite internalize them. For such a publication to fully behave as though it has a working memory — and a capacity to rationally weigh the significance of disparate pieces of information — would be for it to resemble a partisan rag.
The most salient truth about the 2024 election is that the Republican Party is poised to nominate an authoritarian thug who publishes rationalizations for political violence and promises to abuse presidential authority on a near-daily basis. There is no way for a paper or news channel to appropriately emphasize this reality without sounding like a shrill, dull, Democratic propaganda outlet. So, like the nation writ large, the press comports itself as an amnesiac, or an abusive household committed to keeping up appearances, losing itself in the old routines, in an effortful approximation of normality until it almost forgets what it doesn’t want to know.
Excellent piece.
sarahs mum said:
kii said:
Dianne Feinstein is dead.
:(
She was 90, in very poor health and was barely functional as a politician. It seems her daughter was speaking for her in matters political. I may be remembering that incorrectly, but I’m still in bed and using my tablet without wearing my glasses.
kii said:
sarahs mum said:
kii said:
Dianne Feinstein is dead.
:(
She was 90, in very poor health and was barely functional as a politician. It seems her daughter was speaking for her in matters political. I may be remembering that incorrectly, but I’m still in bed and using my tablet without wearing my glasses.
kii said:
Dianne Feinstein is dead.
Dianne Goldman Berman Feinstein (/ˈfaɪnstaɪn/ FYNE-styne; born Dianne Emiel Goldman; June 22, 1933 – September 28, 2023) was an American politician who served as a United States senator from California for 31 years, from 1992 until her death in 2023.
Kingy said:
kii said:
Dianne Feinstein is dead.
Dianne Goldman Berman Feinstein (/ˈfaɪnstaɪn/ FYNE-styne; born Dianne Emiel Goldman; June 22, 1933 – September 28, 2023) was an American politician who served as a United States senator from California for 31 years, from 1992 until her death in 2023.
she looks like she had a stroke or two.
Kingy said:
kii said:
Dianne Feinstein is dead.
Dianne Goldman Berman Feinstein (/ˈfaɪnstaɪn/ FYNE-styne; born Dianne Emiel Goldman; June 22, 1933 – September 28, 2023) was an American politician who served as a United States senator from California for 31 years, from 1992 until her death in 2023.
Thanks, Kingy.
Thr governor will appoint a replacement to carry them through to Nov 2024
Nominal democrat and antivax goomba Robert F Kennedy Jr, who was going to run against Biden in the Democratic primaries has instead decided to run as an independent.
Quite a few people have expressed concern that this will create a spoiler effect that sees Trump elected but Nate Silver has a different view.
https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-66965766
Tupac Shakur: Duane Davis charged with 1996 murder of rapper
dv said:
Nominal democrat and antivax goomba Robert F Kennedy Jr, who was going to run against Biden in the Democratic primaries has instead decided to run as an independent.Quite a few people have expressed concern that this will create a spoiler effect that sees Trump elected but Nate Silver has a different view.
Likely to split the Silly vote?
dv said:
https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-66965766Tupac Shakur: Duane Davis charged with 1996 murder of rapper
It’s hard to keep up with murdered rappers.
Apart from all the cracked up crazy stuff about this cult I still cannot understand how these people, many of them retired veterans or rabidly in love with the US military (2 ex friends fall in this category), still adore the monster that Trump is.
Pete Buttigieg listed a heap of examples where Trump has disparaged veterans. The question came up again in another interview I watched, these are things he says in public, so wtf does he say away from cameras?
About 24 hours from now the US govt faces a shut-down.
The Senate has come to a largely bipartisan agreement, but the House can’t proceed because of a handful of Trump aligned nutbars. Millions of military vets will not get their services, millio s of active military people will miss payments.
https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/government-shutdown-deadline-09-29-23/index.html
dv said:
About 24 hours from now the US govt faces a shut-down.
The Senate has come to a largely bipartisan agreement, but the House can’t proceed because of a handful of Trump aligned nutbars. Millions of military vets will not get their services, millio s of active military people will miss payments.https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/government-shutdown-deadline-09-29-23/index.html
The US military can solve this situation quite easily. They have lots of guns.
A bail bondsman charged alongside former US president Donald Trump and 17 others in the Georgia election interference case has become the first defendant in the case to accept a plea deal with prosecutors.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-30/defendant-in-georgia-interference-case-accepts-plea-deal/102920396
party_pants said:
dv said:
About 24 hours from now the US govt faces a shut-down.
The Senate has come to a largely bipartisan agreement, but the House can’t proceed because of a handful of Trump aligned nutbars. Millions of military vets will not get their services, millio s of active military people will miss payments.https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/government-shutdown-deadline-09-29-23/index.html
The US military can solve this situation quite easily. They have lots of guns.
I’ve only got two dream handgun
dv said:
party_pants said:
dv said:
About 24 hours from now the US govt faces a shut-down.
The Senate has come to a largely bipartisan agreement, but the House can’t proceed because of a handful of Trump aligned nutbars. Millions of military vets will not get their services, millio s of active military people will miss payments.https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/government-shutdown-deadline-09-29-23/index.html
The US military can solve this situation quite easily. They have lots of guns.
I’ve only got two dream handgun
I had cap-firing guns as a child. Wonder if you can still get rolls of caps.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
party_pants said:The US military can solve this situation quite easily. They have lots of guns.
I’ve only got two dream handgun
I had cap-firing guns as a child. Wonder if you can still get rolls of caps.
no cap fr fr
dv said:
About 24 hours from now the US govt faces a shut-down.
The Senate has come to a largely bipartisan agreement, but the House can’t proceed because of a handful of Trump aligned nutbars. Millions of military vets will not get their services, millio s of active military people will miss payments.https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/government-shutdown-deadline-09-29-23/index.html
continuing the shit that has already downgraded the US credit rating. Job well done.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
party_pants said:The US military can solve this situation quite easily. They have lots of guns.
I’ve only got two dream handgun
I had cap-firing guns as a child. Wonder if you can still get rolls of caps.
https://www.mrtoys.com.au/featured-home/age-feature/age-to-any-age/8-shot-ring-caps-144-shots-56598.html
roughbarked said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:I’ve only got two dream handgun
I had cap-firing guns as a child. Wonder if you can still get rolls of caps.
https://www.mrtoys.com.au/featured-home/age-feature/age-to-any-age/8-shot-ring-caps-144-shots-56598.html
oo that smell. can’t you smell that smell?
roughbarked said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:I’ve only got two dream handgun
I had cap-firing guns as a child. Wonder if you can still get rolls of caps.
https://www.mrtoys.com.au/featured-home/age-feature/age-to-any-age/8-shot-ring-caps-144-shots-56598.html
https://www.onlinetoys.com.au/product/3-stars-roll-caps
sarahs mum said:
roughbarked said:
Bubblecar said:I had cap-firing guns as a child. Wonder if you can still get rolls of caps.
https://www.mrtoys.com.au/featured-home/age-feature/age-to-any-age/8-shot-ring-caps-144-shots-56598.html
oo that smell. can’t you smell that smell?
I can.
I can remember the smell, the bang and the smoke. And the annoyance when the roll became misaligned and you’d get a lot of misfires.
House Speaker Kevin McCarthy came to a compromise with Democrats to pass a bill to keep the US govt funded.
This effectively cut out the far right nutbars but may result in a challenge to his position as Speaker.
This is similar to the position that John Boehner was in about 10 years ago when so-called Tea Party Republicans were threatening shut-downs.
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Sep 30, 7:25 PM EDT
McCarthy to GOP critics: ‘Bring it’
Speaking to reporters after the House vote, House Speaker Kevin McCarthy, R-Calif., struck a bipartisan tone — and told those members who want to oust him because he worked with Democrats to “bring it.”
“It’s all right if Republicans and Democrats joined together to do what is right,” McCarthy said. “If somebody wants to make a motion against me, bring it. There has to be an adult in the room.”
Asked by ABC News if he was satisfied with the final tally, which had largely Democratic votes, McCarthy said: “I think at the end of the day, we kept the government open, kept paying our troops to finish the job we have to get done.”
McCarthy said he had “tried every possible way listening to every single person in the conference.”
“I don’t want to be a part of that team,” he continued, referring to the far-right members of the Republican party. “I want to be part of a conservative group that wants to get things done.”
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/live-updates/government-shutdown-live-updates/?id=103597144
dv said:
House Speaker Kevin McCarthy came to a compromise with Democrats to pass a bill to keep the US govt funded.
This effectively cut out the far right nutbars but may result in a challenge to his position as Speaker.
This is similar to the position that John Boehner was in about 10 years ago when so-called Tea Party Republicans were threatening shut-downs.
—-
Sep 30, 7:25 PM EDT
McCarthy to GOP critics: ‘Bring it’Speaking to reporters after the House vote, House Speaker Kevin McCarthy, R-Calif., struck a bipartisan tone — and told those members who want to oust him because he worked with Democrats to “bring it.”
“It’s all right if Republicans and Democrats joined together to do what is right,” McCarthy said. “If somebody wants to make a motion against me, bring it. There has to be an adult in the room.”
Asked by ABC News if he was satisfied with the final tally, which had largely Democratic votes, McCarthy said: “I think at the end of the day, we kept the government open, kept paying our troops to finish the job we have to get done.”
McCarthy said he had “tried every possible way listening to every single person in the conference.”
“I don’t want to be a part of that team,” he continued, referring to the far-right members of the Republican party. “I want to be part of a conservative group that wants to get things done.”
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/live-updates/government-shutdown-live-updates/?id=103597144
The funding bill did not include any funding for Ukraine.
Marjorie Taylor Greene slammed Biden for wanting to complete the work of Lyndon Johnson and FDR. Now he’s using her speech in an official ad.
On July 16, Greene spoke to a crowd of activists at the Turning Point Action conference in Florida, where she tried to attack the 46th president, comparing him to former President Lyndon B. Johnson and President Franklin Delano Roosevelt.
The Biden Administration clearly enjoyed Greene’s comments — the White House’s official Twitter account mocked Greene later after her speech.
“Caught us. President Biden is working to make life easier for hardworking families,” the White House account tweeted.
Days after Greene’s attempted attack on Biden, he tweeted out a new campaign advertisement centered around Greene’s speech.
“Joe Biden had the largest public investment in social infrastructure and environmental programs that is actually finishing what FDR started, that LBJ expanded on, and Joe Biden is attempting to complete,” Greene can be heard saying in the advertisement.
https://news.yahoo.com/marjorie-taylor-greene-slammed-biden-144138234.html
dv said:
Marjorie Taylor Greene slammed Biden for wanting to complete the work of Lyndon Johnson and FDR. Now he’s using her speech in an official ad.On July 16, Greene spoke to a crowd of activists at the Turning Point Action conference in Florida, where she tried to attack the 46th president, comparing him to former President Lyndon B. Johnson and President Franklin Delano Roosevelt.
The Biden Administration clearly enjoyed Greene’s comments — the White House’s official Twitter account mocked Greene later after her speech.
“Caught us. President Biden is working to make life easier for hardworking families,” the White House account tweeted.
Days after Greene’s attempted attack on Biden, he tweeted out a new campaign advertisement centered around Greene’s speech.
“Joe Biden had the largest public investment in social infrastructure and environmental programs that is actually finishing what FDR started, that LBJ expanded on, and Joe Biden is attempting to complete,” Greene can be heard saying in the advertisement.
https://news.yahoo.com/marjorie-taylor-greene-slammed-biden-144138234.html
Heh.
I’m glad the adults took over.
Listening to Pete Buttigieg being interviewed has to be one of the best ways to reset your brain.
Once was bad enough.
But I suppose twice shamed is probably better.
He’s lost the plot entirely…
Completely off his tiny rocker….
(I wonder when they are going to lock him up???)
In more news from my neighbours – one of them has met trump and says he’s very charismatic and he voted for him twice, but he’d vote for a ham sandwich if their policies were good.
Make of that what you will.
boppa said:
He’s lost the plot entirely…Completely off his tiny rocker….
(I wonder when they are going to lock him up???)
I hope he keeps on posting stuff like that, some of it can be used by the legal system there to let him dig a deeper hole for himself.
kii said:
In more news from my neighbours – one of them has met trump and says he’s very charismatic and he voted for him twice, but he’d vote for a ham sandwich if their policies were good.Make of that what you will.
Does Trump have any sort of policy about anything, other than threatening vengeance on people/organisations that have displeased him?
captain_spalding said:
kii said:
In more news from my neighbours – one of them has met trump and says he’s very charismatic and he voted for him twice, but he’d vote for a ham sandwich if their policies were good.Make of that what you will.
Does Trump have any sort of policy about anything, other than threatening vengeance on people/organisations that have displeased him?
Probably not.
captain_spalding said:
kii said:
In more news from my neighbours – one of them has met trump and says he’s very charismatic and he voted for him twice, but he’d vote for a ham sandwich if their policies were good.Make of that what you will.
Does Trump have any sort of policy about anything, other than threatening vengeance on people/organisations that have displeased him?
Sure, he’s going to build a great big wall and make the Mexicans pay for it.
captain_spalding said:
kii said:
In more news from my neighbours – one of them has met trump and says he’s very charismatic and he voted for him twice, but he’d vote for a ham sandwich if their policies were good.Make of that what you will.
Does Trump have any sort of policy about anything, other than threatening vengeance on people/organisations that have displeased him?
No, none whatsoever.
It’s what makes him so popular’
The Rev Dodgson said:
captain_spalding said:
kii said:
In more news from my neighbours – one of them has met trump and says he’s very charismatic and he voted for him twice, but he’d vote for a ham sandwich if their policies were good.Make of that what you will.
Does Trump have any sort of policy about anything, other than threatening vengeance on people/organisations that have displeased him?
Sure, he’s going to build a great big wall and make the Mexicans pay for it.
I think Joe finished off his wall.
kii said:
Listening to Pete Buttigieg being interviewed has to be one of the best ways to reset your brain.
Unfortunately, you’d be more likely to find a 2-litre tub of Bulla vanilla ice-cream at the centre of the Sun than to ever find Pete in the Oval Office.
Because he is gay.
And that means, to a vast number of Americans, that he’s a Communist sent by Satan to take their guns away and to make it compulsory for them to barbecue and eat their own children over the flames of piles of burning American flags and Bibles, before entering into life-long servitude as slaves to hordes of Latin American immigrants.
Plus, there’s a number of male Americans who apparently don’t even wash their own arses for fear that it will ‘turn them gay’, so how would you ever convince any of them to vote a gay man into the WhiteHouse.
Peak Warming Man said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
captain_spalding said:Does Trump have any sort of policy about anything, other than threatening vengeance on people/organisations that have displeased him?
Sure, he’s going to build a great big wall and make the Mexicans pay for it.
I think Joe finished off his wall.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Peak Warming Man said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Sure, he’s going to build a great big wall and make the Mexicans pay for it.
I think Joe finished off his wall.
Ozark
The purpose of open borders is so the drug Cartels can keep the drugs flowing across the border.
Any american politician declaring the need for open borders is most likely in the pay of the drug Cartels
wookiemeister said:
OzarkThe purpose of open borders is so the drug Cartels can keep the drugs flowing across the border.
Any american politician declaring the need for open borders is most likely in the pay of the drug Cartels
Bullshit.
kii said:
wookiemeister said:
OzarkThe purpose of open borders is so the drug Cartels can keep the drugs flowing across the border.
Any american politician declaring the need for open borders is most likely in the pay of the drug Cartels
Bullshit.
Well, not beyond possibility. I remember Robin/Robert Askin firmly maintaining that there was no illegal casinos in Sydney, no, not one.
kii said:
wookiemeister said:
OzarkThe purpose of open borders is so the drug Cartels can keep the drugs flowing across the border.
Any american politician declaring the need for open borders is most likely in the pay of the drug Cartels
Bullshit.
Ozark
When billions of dollars are involved always assume someone is greedy and stupid enough to want some of that money.
Weapons manufacturers want wars
Drug Cartels want open borders and lax sentencing for crime
Health providers want profits without accountability
An industry / corporation will give money to politicians to keep the problem going
wookiemeister said:
kii said:
wookiemeister said:
OzarkThe purpose of open borders is so the drug Cartels can keep the drugs flowing across the border.
Any american politician declaring the need for open borders is most likely in the pay of the drug Cartels
Bullshit.
As I saidOzark
When billions of dollars are involved always assume someone is greedy and stupid enough to want some of that money.
Open borders would mean immigrants are stealing top notch free medical care from US patriots
I think coke wanted to continue selling millions of plastic bottles in Australia without any responsibility until they were forced to get involved in the recycling part of the process
Cymek said:
wookiemeister said:
kii said:Bullshit.
As I saidOzark
When billions of dollars are involved always assume someone is greedy and stupid enough to want some of that money.
Open borders would mean immigrants are stealing top notch free medical care from US patriots
Also their jobs! OMGWTFBBQ!
Cymek said:
wookiemeister said:
kii said:Bullshit.
As I saidOzark
When billions of dollars are involved always assume someone is greedy and stupid enough to want some of that money.
Open borders would mean immigrants are stealing top notch free medical care from US patriots
its just too profitable to keep America’s borders shut now, when America collapses all those military alliances will go up in smoke
wookiemeister said:
kii said:
wookiemeister said:
OzarkThe purpose of open borders is so the drug Cartels can keep the drugs flowing across the border.
Any american politician declaring the need for open borders is most likely in the pay of the drug Cartels
Bullshit.
As I saidOzark
When billions of dollars are involved always assume someone is greedy and stupid enough to want some of that money.
Ozark…the mountains, the TV series, the musical group?
kii said:
Cymek said:
wookiemeister said:As I said
Ozark
When billions of dollars are involved always assume someone is greedy and stupid enough to want some of that money.
Open borders would mean immigrants are stealing top notch free medical care from US patriots
Also their jobs! OMGWTFBBQ!
wookiemeister said:
kii said:
Cymek said:Open borders would mean immigrants are stealing top notch free medical care from US patriots
Also their jobs! OMGWTFBBQ!
Immigration is used to drive wages down
Or under the counter poor pay and conditions as if they are illegal that threat is always there to make them compliant
Cymek said:
wookiemeister said:
kii said:Also their jobs! OMGWTFBBQ!
Immigration is used to drive wages downOr under the counter poor pay and conditions as if they are illegal that threat is always there to make them compliant
If someone isn’t prepared to work for peanuts you can find someone else.
The other option is to deliberately crash the economy and wipe out the existing savings of most people
There should always be one government owned bank
The communication system should always be owned by the government
The power system should never be privatised
The road system should never be privatised
The health system should never be privatised
Cymek said:
wookiemeister said:
kii said:Bullshit.
As I saidOzark
When billions of dollars are involved always assume someone is greedy and stupid enough to want some of that money.
Open borders would mean immigrants are stealing top notch free medical care from US patriots
LOLOL
Cymek said:
wookiemeister said:
kii said:Also their jobs! OMGWTFBBQ!
Immigration is used to drive wages downOr under the counter poor pay and conditions as if they are illegal that threat is always there to make them compliant
This is what me and Mrs S when we watch those ‘house hunter’ shows that she likes on TV.
Americans will but these vast houses, the size of warehouses, with six bedrooms and 5 ‘and a half’ bathrooms, vast tracts of backyard, triple garages, enormous kitchens etc. etc., and the question arises ‘just who is going to clean all of this?
And the answer is, obviously, you get some of those little brown people who aren’t supposed to be here, and who will work for peanuts under threat of denunciation to the authorities.
The right to complain and free speech should be set in stone
wookiemeister said:
Right
If someone isn’t prepared to work for peanuts you can find someone else.
The other option is to deliberately crash the economy and wipe out the existing savings of most people
Well, that might very well have some appeal to the mega-rich, as ‘wealth’ is defined by how much more you have than do other people.
So, increasing the number of poor people would make the mega-rich just that much more ‘wealthy’.
Michael V said:
Cymek said:
wookiemeister said:As I said
Ozark
When billions of dollars are involved always assume someone is greedy and stupid enough to want some of that money.
Open borders would mean immigrants are stealing top notch free medical care from US patriots
LOLOL
If America closed all its military bases, stopped spending money on weapons it could have a very good healthcare system ( but it could never be private in anyway)
wookiemeister said:
The right to complain and free speech should be set in stone
To paraphrase John Clarke, if you want to have the right to complain and to speak freely about whatever you like, and have those complaints and comments given due consideration, then you should go to some country where that sort of nonsense is tolerated.
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:Right
If someone isn’t prepared to work for peanuts you can find someone else.
The other option is to deliberately crash the economy and wipe out the existing savings of most people
Well, that might very well have some appeal to the mega-rich, as ‘wealth’ is defined by how much more you have than do other people.
So, increasing the number of poor people would make the mega-rich just that much more ‘wealthy’.
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:
The right to complain and free speech should be set in stone
To paraphrase John Clarke, if you want to have the right to complain and to speak freely about whatever you like, and have those complaints and comments given due consideration, then you should go to some country where that sort of nonsense is tolerated.
wookiemeister said:
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:
The right to complain and free speech should be set in stone
To paraphrase John Clarke, if you want to have the right to complain and to speak freely about whatever you like, and have those complaints and comments given due consideration, then you should go to some country where that sort of nonsense is tolerated.
No one ever listens anyway
‘Cos you’re an idiot.
Presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy, who is a US citizen by way of birthright citizenship, says he will end birthright citizenship.
In the end the economy is run by one corporation/s
As stupid people take over the corporations the corporations fall over and new ones arise
Witty Rejoinder said:
wookiemeister said:
captain_spalding said:To paraphrase John Clarke, if you want to have the right to complain and to speak freely about whatever you like, and have those complaints and comments given due consideration, then you should go to some country where that sort of nonsense is tolerated.
No one ever listens anyway
‘Cos you’re an idiot.
dv said:
Presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy, who is a US citizen by way of birthright citizenship, says he will end birthright citizenship.
The koo koo’s are coming out of the woodwork everywhere.
Cymek said:
wookiemeister said:As I said
Ozark
When billions of dollars are involved always assume someone is greedy and stupid enough to want some of that money.
Open borders would mean immigrants are stealing top notch free medical care from US patriots
LOL … Americans literally travel to Mexico for good, affordable, timely healthcare.
I ain’t clicking on the wookarrhoea so someone alert me if he says something salient.
dv said:
I ain’t clicking on the wookarrhoea so someone alert me if he says something salient.
nup.
dv said:
Cymek said:
wookiemeister said:As I said
Ozark
When billions of dollars are involved always assume someone is greedy and stupid enough to want some of that money.
Open borders would mean immigrants are stealing top notch free medical care from US patriots
LOL … Americans literally travel to Mexico for good, affordable, timely healthcare.
I know some of them! Disabled veterans. They can’t afford medical treatment for issues not covered by VA, or the military health insurance, and some would also have health insurance from working at the NASA site. So off to Mexico they go, all the while complaining about “ilegal” immigrants and they continue to vote for Republicans!
wookiemeister said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
wookiemeister said:No one ever listens anyway
‘Cos you’re an idiot.
No it can be anyone – even you
No you see normal people are listened to as over their lives they gain knowledge and take on roles in authority. The reason you can’t hold down a job is that people gradually realise you’re a crackpot who doesn’t live in an objective reality and can’t in good conscience employ you because if you believe in this crazy bullshit how can you be trusted to do whatever it is that you do for a crust. So you lose all respect and have to get a new job where the cycle repeats. The problem is you I’m afraid.
dv said:
Presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy, who is a US citizen by way of birthright citizenship, says he will end birthright citizenship.
Huh.
dv said:
I ain’t clicking on the wookarrhoea so someone alert me if he says something salient.
Actually he did say a few things that were perfectly sensible.
It was most distracting.
Witty Rejoinder said:
wookiemeister said:
Witty Rejoinder said:‘Cos you’re an idiot.
No it can be anyone – even you
No you see normal people are listened to as over their lives they gain knowledge and take on roles in authority. The reason you can’t hold down a job is that people gradually realise you’re a crackpot who doesn’t live in an objective reality and can’t in good conscience employ you because if you believe in this crazy bullshit how can you be trusted to do whatever it is that you do for a crust. So you lose all respect and have to get a new job where the cycle repeats. The problem is you I’m afraid.
Is his weekly newsletter considered long term gainful employment ?
If so you need to be fair to him
Witty Rejoinder said:
wookiemeister said:
Witty Rejoinder said:‘Cos you’re an idiot.
No it can be anyone – even you
No you see normal people are listened to as over their lives they gain knowledge and take on roles in authority. The reason you can’t hold down a job is that people gradually realise you’re a crackpot who doesn’t live in an objective reality and can’t in good conscience employ you because if you believe in this crazy bullshit how can you be trusted to do whatever it is that you do for a crust. So you lose all respect and have to get a new job where the cycle repeats. The problem is you I’m afraid.
Is his weekly newsletter considered long term gainful employment ?
If so you need to be fair to him
roughbarked said:
dv said:
I ain’t clicking on the wookarrhoea so someone alert me if he says something salient.
nup.
pmsl- did you mean sentient even???
dv said:
Cymek said:
wookiemeister said:As I said
Ozark
When billions of dollars are involved always assume someone is greedy and stupid enough to want some of that money.
Open borders would mean immigrants are stealing top notch free medical care from US patriots
LOL … Americans literally travel to Mexico for good, affordable, timely healthcare.
I’ll add that to my list of things wookie knows fuck all about.
dv said:
I ain’t clicking on the wookarrhoea so someone alert me if he says something salient.
I look at others posts to see if they have fed him and reply to them.
Witty Rejoinder said:
wookiemeister said:
Witty Rejoinder said:‘Cos you’re an idiot.
No it can be anyone – even you
No you see normal people are listened to as over their lives they gain knowledge and take on roles in authority. The reason you can’t hold down a job is that people gradually realise you’re a crackpot who doesn’t live in an objective reality and can’t in good conscience employ you because if you believe in this crazy bullshit how can you be trusted to do whatever it is that you do for a crust. So you lose all respect and have to get a new job where the cycle repeats. The problem is you I’m afraid.
I always thought that when he comes here a lot he has just been made unemployed again.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
I ain’t clicking on the wookarrhoea so someone alert me if he says something salient.
Actually he did say a few things that were perfectly sensible.
It was most distracting.
Feel free to give me an edited sampler
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
I ain’t clicking on the wookarrhoea so someone alert me if he says something salient.
Actually he did say a few things that were perfectly sensible.
It was most distracting.
Feel free to give me an edited sampler
gotta kiss a lot of toads before you find your prince(ss)
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
I ain’t clicking on the wookarrhoea so someone alert me if he says something salient.
Actually he did say a few things that were perfectly sensible.
It was most distracting.
Feel free to give me an edited sampler
Here’s a copy and paste:
“here should always be one government owned bank
The communication system should always be owned by the government
The power system should never be privatised
The road system should never be privatised
The health system should never be privatised”
All matters of opinion, obviously, but all reasonably defensible positions.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Actually he did say a few things that were perfectly sensible.
It was most distracting.
Feel free to give me an edited sampler
Here’s a copy and paste:
“here should always be one government owned bank
The communication system should always be owned by the government
The power system should never be privatised
The road system should never be privatised
The health system should never be privatised”
All matters of opinion, obviously, but all reasonably defensible positions.
I honestly had no idea he was a Greens voter. The more you learn eh?
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:Feel free to give me an edited sampler
Here’s a copy and paste:
“here should always be one government owned bank
The communication system should always be owned by the government
The power system should never be privatised
The road system should never be privatised
The health system should never be privatised”
All matters of opinion, obviously, but all reasonably defensible positions.
I honestly had no idea he was a Greens voter. The more you learn eh?
What sort of green ?
Cymek said:
What sort of green ?
The smokable kind????
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:Feel free to give me an edited sampler
Here’s a copy and paste:
“here should always be one government owned bank
The communication system should always be owned by the government
The power system should never be privatised
The road system should never be privatised
The health system should never be privatised”
All matters of opinion, obviously, but all reasonably defensible positions.
I honestly had no idea he was a Greens voter. The more you learn eh?
Perhaps he was referring to that great Republican president when he said “We hold these truths to be self-evident, “
So there’s a reason a compass rotates freely through the entire 2𝜋, shall we say, a revolution¡
The Rev Dodgson said:
Peak Warming Man said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Sure, he’s going to build a great big wall and make the Mexicans pay for it.
I think Joe finished off his wall.
They give us this advertising so we guess it makes sense.
Cheesus ….
Trump telling the crowd that he’d rather be electrocuted instead of being eaten by a shark.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1708587099706830853
(I have no idea why the link is yellow sorry)
Spiny Norman said:
Cheesus ….Trump telling the crowd that he’d rather be electrocuted instead of being eaten by a shark.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1708587099706830853
(I have no idea why the link is yellow sorry)
And now it’s not yellow.
Farken.
Spiny Norman said:
Cheesus ….Trump telling the crowd that he’d rather be electrocuted instead of being eaten by a shark.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1708587099706830853
(I have no idea why the link is yellow sorry)
Ah well if he insists
dv said:
Spiny Norman said:
Cheesus ….Trump telling the crowd that he’d rather be electrocuted instead of being eaten by a shark.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1708587099706830853
(I have no idea why the link is yellow sorry)
Ah well if he insists
Worked it out – I must have accidentally hit CTRL-F instead of CTRL-V and that added colour to parts of the post.
The Don’s fraud trial starts today
dv said:
The Don’s fraud trial starts today
I’m in the ‘he won’t be there’ camp.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
The Don’s fraud trial starts today
I’m in the ‘he won’t be there’ camp.
Although he stayed last night in Trump Tower.
sarahs mum said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
The Don’s fraud trial starts today
I’m in the ‘he won’t be there’ camp.
Although he stayed last night in Trump Tower.
I think Trump is losing his marbles, due to age. More rapidly than Biden is aging.
This is a campaign event’: Berman reacts to Trump’s courthouse speech
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7UY_S9yC6M
sarahs mum said:
This is a campaign event’: Berman reacts to Trump’s courthouse speech
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7UY_S9yC6M
Did I dream that he called Taylor Swift “Trailer Swift”?
Watching trump’s campaign speech outside the courtroom with the sound off. Accordion hands are go! Eric is standing off to the side looking like he wants to sink into the floor.
kii said:
Watching trump’s campaign speech outside the courtroom with the sound off. Accordion hands are go! Eric is standing off to the side looking like he wants to sink into the floor.
Accordion hands. :) That’s an apt description of his hand movements. He’s obviously filling his mouth with hot air.
sarahs mum said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
The Don’s fraud trial starts today
I’m in the ‘he won’t be there’ camp.
Although he stayed last night in Trump Tower.
La la land.
kii said:
sarahs mum said:
This is a campaign event’: Berman reacts to Trump’s courthouse speech
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7UY_S9yC6M
Did I dream that he called Taylor Swift “Trailer Swift”?
Now i wish that i had a trailer, so that i could paint the name ‘Swift’ on it.
Breaking: Donald Trump has been found guilty of fraud, and now faces further counts.(Reuters: Brendan McDermid/Pool)
captain_spalding said:
kii said:
sarahs mum said:
This is a campaign event’: Berman reacts to Trump’s courthouse speech
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7UY_S9yC6M
Did I dream that he called Taylor Swift “Trailer Swift”?
Now i wish that i had a trailer, so that i could paint the name ‘Swift’ on it.
That would make it a Swift Trailer?
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
kii said:Did I dream that he called Taylor Swift “Trailer Swift”?
Now i wish that i had a trailer, so that i could paint the name ‘Swift’ on it.
That would make it a Swift Trailer?
Well, i’d introduce as “ my trailer, Swift”.
Trump calls for shoplifters to be shot.
The crowd cheers.
Jokes about Nancy Pelosi’s husband getting mugged in his own home.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYC0nbZ2KLM
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:Now i wish that i had a trailer, so that i could paint the name ‘Swift’ on it.
That would make it a Swift Trailer?
Well, i’d introduce as “ my trailer, Swift”.
:)
Trump yelling in a fast food store.
Side joke: Of course, it’s Monday so Wimpy can say “I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today”.
sarahs mum said:
Trump calls for shoplifters to be shot.The crowd cheers.
Jokes about Nancy Pelosi’s husband getting mugged in his own home.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYC0nbZ2KLM
Inciting Insurrection will be the next charge he’ll get.
kii said:
Trump yelling in a fast food store.Side joke: Of course, it’s Monday so Wimpy can say “I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today”.
Which of course will turn out to be When?sday.
sarahs mum said:
Trump calls for shoplifters to be shot.The crowd cheers.
Jokes about Nancy Pelosi’s husband getting mugged in his own home.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYC0nbZ2KLM
If you Robert Shaw. :). You’d have to be watching the text so see that.
kii said:
Trump yelling in a fast food store.Side joke: Of course, it’s Monday so Wimpy can say “I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today”.
If only one of the kids had turned around and said ‘will you shut the f*** up, dude, i’m try’n‘a order here!’.
Morning pilgrims,
Nothing to report.
Over.
Not a good start.
Peak Warming Man said:
Not a good start.
The mower?
Exclusive: John Kelly goes on the record to confirm several disturbing stories about Trump
CNN
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John Kelly, the longest-serving White House chief of staff for Donald Trump, offered his harshest criticism yet of the former president in an exclusive statement to CNN.
Kelly set the record straight with on-the-record confirmation of a number of damning stories about statements Trump made behind closed doors attacking US service members and veterans, listing a number of objectionable comments Kelly witnessed Trump make firsthand.
“What can I add that has not already been said?” Kelly said, when asked if he wanted to weigh in on his former boss in light of recent comments made by other former Trump officials. “A person that thinks those who defend their country in uniform, or are shot down or seriously wounded in combat, or spend years being tortured as POWs are all ‘suckers’ because ‘there is nothing in it for them.’ A person that did not want to be seen in the presence of military amputees because ‘it doesn’t look good for me.’ A person who demonstrated open contempt for a Gold Star family – for all Gold Star families – on TV during the 2016 campaign, and rants that our most precious heroes who gave their lives in America’s defense are ‘losers’ and wouldn’t visit their graves in France.
“A person who is not truthful regarding his position on the protection of unborn life, on women, on minorities, on evangelical Christians, on Jews, on working men and women,” Kelly continued. “A person that has no idea what America stands for and has no idea what America is all about. A person who cavalierly suggests that a selfless warrior who has served his country for 40 years in peacetime and war should lose his life for treason – in expectation that someone will take action. A person who admires autocrats and murderous dictators. A person that has nothing but contempt for our democratic institutions, our Constitution, and the rule of law.
“There is nothing more that can be said,” Kelly concluded. “God help us.”
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/02/politics/john-kelly-donald-trump-us-service-members-veterans/index.html
SAY IT LOUDER!!
dv said:
Exclusive: John Kelly goes on the record to confirm several disturbing stories about TrumpCNN —
John Kelly, the longest-serving White House chief of staff for Donald Trump, offered his harshest criticism yet of the former president in an exclusive statement to CNN.Kelly set the record straight with on-the-record confirmation of a number of damning stories about statements Trump made behind closed doors attacking US service members and veterans, listing a number of objectionable comments Kelly witnessed Trump make firsthand.
“What can I add that has not already been said?” Kelly said, when asked if he wanted to weigh in on his former boss in light of recent comments made by other former Trump officials. “A person that thinks those who defend their country in uniform, or are shot down or seriously wounded in combat, or spend years being tortured as POWs are all ‘suckers’ because ‘there is nothing in it for them.’ A person that did not want to be seen in the presence of military amputees because ‘it doesn’t look good for me.’ A person who demonstrated open contempt for a Gold Star family – for all Gold Star families – on TV during the 2016 campaign, and rants that our most precious heroes who gave their lives in America’s defense are ‘losers’ and wouldn’t visit their graves in France.
“A person who is not truthful regarding his position on the protection of unborn life, on women, on minorities, on evangelical Christians, on Jews, on working men and women,” Kelly continued. “A person that has no idea what America stands for and has no idea what America is all about. A person who cavalierly suggests that a selfless warrior who has served his country for 40 years in peacetime and war should lose his life for treason – in expectation that someone will take action. A person who admires autocrats and murderous dictators. A person that has nothing but contempt for our democratic institutions, our Constitution, and the rule of law.
“There is nothing more that can be said,” Kelly concluded. “God help us.”
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/02/politics/john-kelly-donald-trump-us-service-members-veterans/index.html
Typical. resorting to; let God fix it.
I’d love to see Tammy Duckworth ram him with her wheelchair.
kii said:
I’d love to see Tammy Duckworth ram him with her wheelchair.
There must be a lot of invalids who would cheerfully crowd him with their wheelchairs until he falls backwards off a high cliff.
dv said:
Exclusive: John Kelly goes on the record to confirm several disturbing stories about TrumpCNN —
John Kelly, the longest-serving White House chief of staff for Donald Trump, offered his harshest criticism yet of the former president in an exclusive statement to CNN.Kelly set the record straight with on-the-record confirmation of a number of damning stories about statements Trump made behind closed doors attacking US service members and veterans, listing a number of objectionable comments Kelly witnessed Trump make firsthand.
“What can I add that has not already been said?” Kelly said, when asked if he wanted to weigh in on his former boss in light of recent comments made by other former Trump officials. “A person that thinks those who defend their country in uniform, or are shot down or seriously wounded in combat, or spend years being tortured as POWs are all ‘suckers’ because ‘there is nothing in it for them.’ A person that did not want to be seen in the presence of military amputees because ‘it doesn’t look good for me.’ A person who demonstrated open contempt for a Gold Star family – for all Gold Star families – on TV during the 2016 campaign, and rants that our most precious heroes who gave their lives in America’s defense are ‘losers’ and wouldn’t visit their graves in France.
“A person who is not truthful regarding his position on the protection of unborn life, on women, on minorities, on evangelical Christians, on Jews, on working men and women,” Kelly continued. “A person that has no idea what America stands for and has no idea what America is all about. A person who cavalierly suggests that a selfless warrior who has served his country for 40 years in peacetime and war should lose his life for treason – in expectation that someone will take action. A person who admires autocrats and murderous dictators. A person that has nothing but contempt for our democratic institutions, our Constitution, and the rule of law.
“There is nothing more that can be said,” Kelly concluded. “God help us.”
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/02/politics/john-kelly-donald-trump-us-service-members-veterans/index.html
but what about Hunter Biden’s laptop?
Dilbert creator funny as ever
dv said:
Dilbert creator funny as ever
It’s the squeaky wheel the gets the oil
https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/matt-gaetz-kevin-mccarthy-house-speakership-10-03-23/index.html
Seems Kev will get no support from Democrats.
If he loses more than 4 votes among Republicans then he loses the speakership. It will be interesting to see what happens then, as no one who the far right will be happy with will be elected speaker.
It’s all happening.
Kevin McCarthy has lost his position as Speaker of the House as 8 Republicans voted against him.
“I don’t regret standing up for choosing governing over grievance. It is my responsibility. It is my job. I do not regret negotiating. Our government is designed to find compromise,” McCarthy said at a wide-ranging press conference Tuesday evening.McCarthy also unloaded on his critics. Asked by Raju if there’s anything he would have done differently with regard to the eight House Republicans who voted to oust him, McCarthy joked, “Yeah, a lot of them I helped get elected so I probably should have picked someone else.”
He says he won’t stand for the position again.
The 8 R who voted against him does not include some of the usual suspects.
Andy Biggs of Arizona
Ken Buck of Colorado
Tim Burchett of Tennessee
Eli Crane of Arizona
Matt Gaetz of Florida
Bob Good of Virginia
Nancy Mace of South Carolina
Matt Rosendale of Montana
dv said:
It’s all happening.Kevin McCarthy has lost his position as Speaker of the House as 8 Republicans voted against him.
“I don’t regret standing up for choosing governing over grievance. It is my responsibility. It is my job. I do not regret negotiating. Our government is designed to find compromise,” McCarthy said at a wide-ranging press conference Tuesday evening.McCarthy also unloaded on his critics. Asked by Raju if there’s anything he would have done differently with regard to the eight House Republicans who voted to oust him, McCarthy joked, “Yeah, a lot of them I helped get elected so I probably should have picked someone else.”
He says he won’t stand for the position again.
The 8 R who voted against him does not include some of the usual suspects.
Andy Biggs of Arizona
Ken Buck of Colorado
Tim Burchett of Tennessee
Eli Crane of Arizona
Matt Gaetz of Florida
Bob Good of Virginia
Nancy Mace of South Carolina
Matt Rosendale of Montana
So does that mean that some of the expected ones have merely been leading others on and they were silly enough to go through with it?
buffy said:
dv said:
It’s all happening.Kevin McCarthy has lost his position as Speaker of the House as 8 Republicans voted against him.
“I don’t regret standing up for choosing governing over grievance. It is my responsibility. It is my job. I do not regret negotiating. Our government is designed to find compromise,” McCarthy said at a wide-ranging press conference Tuesday evening.McCarthy also unloaded on his critics. Asked by Raju if there’s anything he would have done differently with regard to the eight House Republicans who voted to oust him, McCarthy joked, “Yeah, a lot of them I helped get elected so I probably should have picked someone else.”
He says he won’t stand for the position again.
The 8 R who voted against him does not include some of the usual suspects.
Andy Biggs of Arizona
Ken Buck of Colorado
Tim Burchett of Tennessee
Eli Crane of Arizona
Matt Gaetz of Florida
Bob Good of Virginia
Nancy Mace of South Carolina
Matt Rosendale of MontanaSo does that mean that some of the expected ones have merely been leading others on and they were silly enough to go through with it?
Well I can’t say what’s in their hearts and minds.
It’s nit clear what will happen now. Is there some Democrat who can garner the support of 4 moderate Republicans in exchange for some concessions? Is there some Republican who can earn the support of 2 Democrats? Will Matt Gaetz finally go to prison for child sex trafficking? It’s a rich tapestry
Judge issues gag order and rebukes Trump after social media post attacking his clerk
CNN
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Judge Arthur Engoron rebuked Donald Trump after the former president attacked his clerk in a social media post on Tuesday and forbade the parties from making any future comments about his staff.
“This morning one of the defendants posted on (a) social media account a disparaging untrue and personally identifying post about a member of my staff. Although I have since ordered the post deleted and apparently it was, it was also emailed out to millions of other recipients,” the judge said in court.
“Personal attacks of any member of my court staff are unacceptable, inappropriate and I will not tolerate them,” the judge said.
Trump looked straight ahead at the judge as he issued the order.
The judge then said all parties must not speak publicly about any members of the court staff.
“Consider this statement an order forbidding all parties from posting, emailing or speaking publicly about any members of my staff,” Engoron said. “Failure to abide by this … will result in serious sanctions.”
Trump posted on Truth Social Tuesday attacking Engoron’s clerk, claiming she was a “girlfriend” to Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, a New York Democrat, and showing a picture of the two of them together.
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https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/03/politics/trump-gag-order-social-media-threat/index.html
dv said:
Obi Wan has betrayed us
dv said:
Jesus has been named as a co-conspirator?
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
Jesus has been named as a co-conspirator?
sad.
sarahs mum said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
Jesus has been named as a co-conspirator?
sad.
The sheer scope of the madness is hard to grasp.
Cymek said:
dv said:
Obi Wan has betrayed us
1 Corinthians suggests the early Christian men had short hair and presumably this applied to Jesus as well.
Also … he wouldn’t have had northern European features and pale skin.
I think that might be Swedish death metal musician Karl Envall. I doubt he’d be a Trump supporter so I suppose he is just in court on a separate case.
dv said:
Jesus saves?
roughbarked said:
dv said:
Jesus saves?
.. and makes regular backups.
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:
Jesus saves?
.. and makes regular backups.
The Don is in big trouble then.
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:Jesus saves?
.. and makes regular backups.
The Don is in big trouble then.
I am hoping that he is either jailed, shot or declared senile before the next election.
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:.. and makes regular backups.
The Don is in big trouble then.
I am hoping that he is either jailed, shot or declared senile before the next election.
The problem with him dying, whatever they cause, is that it would make him a martyr.
Even if he should be hit by a lightning bolt while out on the golf course, the conspiracy nutters would engineer some story to suggest that he’d been murdered by the Democrats/theBidens/the ‘deep state’/‘the Left’/antifa/the EU/NATO/or any of a dozen other ‘suspects’.
Some other ratbag would take over his following, and manipulate the loonies ‘in his name’. The lunacy would not necessarily disappear.
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:The Don is in big trouble then.
I am hoping that he is either jailed, shot or declared senile before the next election.
The problem with him dying, whatever they cause, is that it would make him a martyr.
Even if he should be hit by a lightning bolt while out on the golf course, the conspiracy nutters would engineer some story to suggest that he’d been murdered by the Democrats/theBidens/the ‘deep state’/‘the Left’/antifa/the EU/NATO/or any of a dozen other ‘suspects’.
Some other ratbag would take over his following, and manipulate the loonies ‘in his name’. The lunacy would not necessarily disappear.
I think I can handle him being a martyr better than I can handle him being POTUS again. He doesn’t have a successor, so his movement stalls without him.
party_pants said:
I think I can handle him being a martyr better than I can handle him being POTUS again. He doesn’t have a successor, so his movement stalls without him.
Him being President again would be the final disaster for the US.
Between him and the Republican party, they’d engineer it so that he’s guaranteed at least two terms, and possibly try to remove the 22nd Amendment so that he can stay in for as long as he breathes.
He served a purpose in his last term, to provide distraction while the moneyed classes got on with the job of plundering the US economy. That would be his purpose in a future Presidency as well (for which his dreams of ‘revenge’ against people and institutions would serve well), and they could really get stuck into the looting. So they’ll want to keep him in office for as long as possible.
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:I think I can handle him being a martyr better than I can handle him being POTUS again. He doesn’t have a successor, so his movement stalls without him.
Him being President again would be the final disaster for the US.
Between him and the Republican party, they’d engineer it so that he’s guaranteed at least two terms, and possibly try to remove the 22nd Amendment so that he can stay in for as long as he breathes.
He served a purpose in his last term, to provide distraction while the moneyed classes got on with the job of plundering the US economy. That would be his purpose in a future Presidency as well (for which his dreams of ‘revenge’ against people and institutions would serve well), and they could really get stuck into the looting. So they’ll want to keep him in office for as long as possible.
I ear that the rest of this decade is going to be very unstable and turbulent. I am not sure either Biden or Trump are the right personage to have in charge of the world’s largest economic and military power, with the reach to shape the world.
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:I think I can handle him being a martyr better than I can handle him being POTUS again. He doesn’t have a successor, so his movement stalls without him.
Him being President again would be the final disaster for the US.
Between him and the Republican party, they’d engineer it so that he’s guaranteed at least two terms, and possibly try to remove the 22nd Amendment so that he can stay in for as long as he breathes.
He served a purpose in his last term, to provide distraction while the moneyed classes got on with the job of plundering the US economy. That would be his purpose in a future Presidency as well (for which his dreams of ‘revenge’ against people and institutions would serve well), and they could really get stuck into the looting. So they’ll want to keep him in office for as long as possible.
I
earthat the rest of this decade is going to be very unstable and turbulent. I am not sure either Biden or Trump are the right personage to have in charge of the world’s largest economic and military power, with the reach to shape the world.
fear
party_pants said:
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:Him being President again would be the final disaster for the US.
Between him and the Republican party, they’d engineer it so that he’s guaranteed at least two terms, and possibly try to remove the 22nd Amendment so that he can stay in for as long as he breathes.
He served a purpose in his last term, to provide distraction while the moneyed classes got on with the job of plundering the US economy. That would be his purpose in a future Presidency as well (for which his dreams of ‘revenge’ against people and institutions would serve well), and they could really get stuck into the looting. So they’ll want to keep him in office for as long as possible.
I
earthat the rest of this decade is going to be very unstable and turbulent. I am not sure either Biden or Trump are the right personage to have in charge of the world’s largest economic and military power, with the reach to shape the world.
fear
also climate doom.
This shit will go down while we burn.
sarahs mum said:
party_pants said:
party_pants said:I
earthat the rest of this decade is going to be very unstable and turbulent. I am not sure either Biden or Trump are the right personage to have in charge of the world’s largest economic and military power, with the reach to shape the world.
fear
also climate doom.
This shit will go down while we burn.
That too. Even without the climate emergency stuff it is going to be a bumpy ride. Globalisation is ending and the world will split once again into rival factions.
Justice Clarence Thomas has refused himself in John Eastman’s Jan 6 case.
Let’s talk about Trump getting a gag order in NY….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wc46-lm7tlU
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i think Beau has been in the gummies.
sarahs mum said:
Let’s talk about Trump getting a gag order in NY….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wc46-lm7tlU—-
i think Beau has been in the gummies.
He’s gagged all the faces behind him.
dv said:
Justice Clarence Thomas has refused himself in John Eastman’s Jan 6 case.
Recused?
Michael V said:
dv said:
Justice Clarence Thomas has refused himself in John Eastman’s Jan 6 case.
Recused?
Darn you autocorrect.
dv said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
Justice Clarence Thomas has refused himself in John Eastman’s Jan 6 case.
Recused?
Darn you autocorrect.
Don’t you turn that shit off?
roughbarked said:
dv said:
Michael V said:Recused?
Darn you autocorrect.
Don’t you turn that shit off?
One thing that makes the US different from Cwealth countries is that there are no party leaders.
E.g. right now the leader of the Lib Dems in the UK is Ed Davey. The leader of the Libs in Australia is Peter Dutton. The leader of the Nationals in NZ is Chris Luxon. No matter their status or fortunes, parties have a leader who can head negotiations.
It’s not like that in the US. Even the President isn’t the party leader. Nor are the House Speaker, House Minority leader, Senate majority leader, Senate Minority leader…
Parties have a chairperson who carries out some fund-raising and administrative functions but this person does not carry any real political power within the party. The chairperson of the Republican party is Ronna McDaniel who hasn’t been able to do much except watch the Titanic sink.
So the reality right now there is an urgent need for negotiations within the US HoR in order to first find some basis for a cooperative government: two people or two small groups would need to sit down and make a check list or things they can and cannot compromise on in order to have a minimally functioning government for 14 more months until the dice get rolled again in Nov 2024. But who in the Republican Party can conduct those negotiations? There isn’t a party leader to slot into that role. The interim house Speaker Patrick McHenry lacks the support and authority. The only other Republican in a senior Congressional position is McConnell, whom a lot of the Reps in the House seem to regard with contempt.
One other difference between the US and Commonwealth countries is that there’s no circuit breaker. If things get stymied in the House in Australia, ultimately the Parliament can be dissolved and fresh elections called, whereas the US is just stuck with this situation for another year.
dv said:
One thing that makes the US different from Cwealth countries is that there are no party leaders.E.g. right now the leader of the Lib Dems in the UK is Ed Davey. The leader of the Libs in Australia is Peter Dutton. The leader of the Nationals in NZ is Chris Luxon. No matter their status or fortunes, parties have a leader who can head negotiations.
It’s not like that in the US. Even the President isn’t the party leader. Nor are the House Speaker, House Minority leader, Senate majority leader, Senate Minority leader…
Parties have a chairperson who carries out some fund-raising and administrative functions but this person does not carry any real political power within the party. The chairperson of the Republican party is Ronna McDaniel who hasn’t been able to do much except watch the Titanic sink.
So the reality right now there is an urgent need for negotiations within the US HoR in order to first find some basis for a cooperative government: two people or two small groups would need to sit down and make a check list or things they can and cannot compromise on in order to have a minimally functioning government for 14 more months until the dice get rolled again in Nov 2024. But who in the Republican Party can conduct those negotiations? There isn’t a party leader to slot into that role. The interim house Speaker Patrick McHenry lacks the support and authority. The only other Republican in a senior Congressional position is McConnell, whom a lot of the Reps in the House seem to regard with contempt.
One other difference between the US and Commonwealth countries is that there’s no circuit breaker. If things get stymied in the House in Australia, ultimately the Parliament can be dissolved and fresh elections called, whereas the US is just stuck with this situation for another year.
Good point.
dv said:
One thing that makes the US different from Cwealth countries is that there are no party leaders.E.g. right now the leader of the Lib Dems in the UK is Ed Davey. The leader of the Libs in Australia is Peter Dutton. The leader of the Nationals in NZ is Chris Luxon. No matter their status or fortunes, parties have a leader who can head negotiations.
It’s not like that in the US. Even the President isn’t the party leader. Nor are the House Speaker, House Minority leader, Senate majority leader, Senate Minority leader…
Parties have a chairperson who carries out some fund-raising and administrative functions but this person does not carry any real political power within the party. The chairperson of the Republican party is Ronna McDaniel who hasn’t been able to do much except watch the Titanic sink.
So the reality right now there is an urgent need for negotiations within the US HoR in order to first find some basis for a cooperative government: two people or two small groups would need to sit down and make a check list or things they can and cannot compromise on in order to have a minimally functioning government for 14 more months until the dice get rolled again in Nov 2024. But who in the Republican Party can conduct those negotiations? There isn’t a party leader to slot into that role. The interim house Speaker Patrick McHenry lacks the support and authority. The only other Republican in a senior Congressional position is McConnell, whom a lot of the Reps in the House seem to regard with contempt.
One other difference between the US and Commonwealth countries is that there’s no circuit breaker. If things get stymied in the House in Australia, ultimately the Parliament can be dissolved and fresh elections called, whereas the US is just stuck with this situation for another year.
They never really thought it through..
dv said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
Justice Clarence Thomas has refused himself in John Eastman’s Jan 6 case.
Recused?
Darn you autocorrect.
Ha!
complacency
decadence
SCIENCE said:
complacency
decadence
Yours for only $33T
Woodie said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Ian said:
SCIENCE said:
complacency
decadence
Yours for only $33T
“A Taco Bell customer allegedly shot an employee multiple times for giving him the incorrect amount of change for his order.”
There’s no need for that, the modern cash registers tell you the correct amount of change to give.
Just as modern guns these days tell you how many shots to fire.
https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna27399337
SCIENCE said:
Woodie said:
Peak Warming Man said:
“A Taco Bell customer allegedly shot an employee multiple times for giving him the incorrect amount of change for his order.”
There’s no need for that, the modern cash registers tell you the correct amount of change to give.
Just as modern guns these days tell you how many shots to fire.
https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna27399337
It’s difficult to imagine circumstances where it would be considered necessary or wise to give a gun, even a small one, to an 8 year old.
It’s impossible to imagine when it would considered necessary or wise to give an 8 year old A BLOODY MACHINE GUN!
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:Woodie said:
Just as modern guns these days tell you how many shots to fire.
https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna27399337
It’s difficult to imagine circumstances where it would be considered necessary or wise to give a gun, even a small one, to an 8 year old.
It’s impossible to imagine when it would considered necessary or wise to give an 8 year old A BLOODY MACHINE GUN!
Has echoes of the time that Russian airline pilot let his son have a go at the controls while midflight
Neophyte said:
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna27399337
It’s difficult to imagine circumstances where it would be considered necessary or wise to give a gun, even a small one, to an 8 year old.
It’s impossible to imagine when it would considered necessary or wise to give an 8 year old A BLOODY MACHINE GUN!
Has echoes of the time that Russian airline pilot let his son have a go at the controls while midflight
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeroflot_Flight_593
Michael V said:
Neophyte said:
captain_spalding said:It’s difficult to imagine circumstances where it would be considered necessary or wise to give a gun, even a small one, to an 8 year old.
It’s impossible to imagine when it would considered necessary or wise to give an 8 year old A BLOODY MACHINE GUN!
Has echoes of the time that Russian airline pilot let his son have a go at the controls while midflight
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeroflot_Flight_593
reading that, jeeez
SCIENCE said:
Woodie said:
Peak Warming Man said:
“A Taco Bell customer allegedly shot an employee multiple times for giving him the incorrect amount of change for his order.”
There’s no need for that, the modern cash registers tell you the correct amount of change to give.
Just as modern guns these days tell you how many shots to fire.
https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna27399337
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGCKFzGAfQ0
whom remembers this one?
Nine-year-old girl accidentally kills gun instructor
Bogsnorkler said:
SCIENCE said:Woodie said:
Just as modern guns these days tell you how many shots to fire.
https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna27399337
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGCKFzGAfQ0
whom remembers this one?
Nine-year-old girl accidentally kills gun instructor
watched that, reminds me the point of the pointing is to keep it on target while, otherwise purpose lost
transition said:
Bogsnorkler said:
SCIENCE said:https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna27399337
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGCKFzGAfQ0
whom remembers this one?
Nine-year-old girl accidentally kills gun instructor
watched that, reminds me the point of the pointing is to keep it on target while, otherwise purpose lost
Nasty little weapons those Uzis. Adults who allow children to fire them should all be locked up.
Hahahah Trump has offered to be House Speaker, what a a world
dv said:
Hahahah Trump has offered to be House Speaker, what a a world
They should take him up on it. Pursue the farce to the end. The disintegration and destruction of the United States seems be the goal of at least some of the mega-wealthy and their friends in the Republican party, and appears to be inevitable, so let’s just get it over and done with.
Ogmog said:
.Trump said to have revealed nuclear submarine secrets to Australian businessman
The Hunt For The Red Shit Gibbon
Ogmog said:
.Trump said to have revealed nuclear submarine secrets to Australian businessman
“It’s pronounced nucular”
esselte said:
Ogmog said:
.Trump said to have revealed nuclear submarine secrets to Australian businessman
“It’s pronounced nucular”
not when it’s an direct unedited C/P from an American news source
~ deal with it ~
The two men who are considered front runners for the speakers’ position, Jim Jordan and Steve Scalise, both refused to certify the results of the 2024 election.
dv said:
The two men who are considered front runners for the speakers’ position, Jim Jordan and Steve Scalise, both refused to certify the results of the 2024 election.
I’d be wary of certifying next year’s election results just yet.
Pratt.
Lawrence: Australian billionaire bought ‘exactly what he wanted’ from Trump
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDlVfEjHIvg
sarahs mum said:
Pratt.Lawrence: Australian billionaire bought ‘exactly what he wanted’ from Trump
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDlVfEjHIvg
Does it say who the billionaire was?
And what did he do with the secrets after buying them?
(assuming it was a “he”)
The Rev Dodgson said:
sarahs mum said:
Pratt.Lawrence: Australian billionaire bought ‘exactly what he wanted’ from Trump
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDlVfEjHIvg
Does it say who the billionaire was?
And what did he do with the secrets after buying them?
(assuming it was a “he”)
Pratt.
https://www.natesilver.net/p/rfk-jr-probably-wont-hurt-biden-he
RFK Jr. probably won’t hurt Biden. He might even help him.
It’s been an interesting experience getting my feet wet on Substack. The platform really does seem to attract a more politically diverse audience than my old stomping grounds at FiveThirtyEight. And I’m sure that will be even truer for this story, which is being co-published at Silver Bulletin and The Free Press.
I’m sure I won’t agree with every Free Press reader on everything, and vice versa. (The same is true at Silver Bulletin, frankly.) But one thing I do share with readers of both is a skepticism of mainstream media narratives. Although campaign coverage is much improved from the Boys on the Bus days of a generation ago, politics still begets its share of evidence-free groupthink.
Today’s case in point: Robert F. Kennedy Jr. inching closer to a third-party bid. Media coverage has focused on the downside risks for Democrats. A recent New York Times story, for instance, is full of fretting Biden backers:
Bogsnorkler said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
sarahs mum said:
Pratt.Lawrence: Australian billionaire bought ‘exactly what he wanted’ from Trump
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDlVfEjHIvg
Does it say who the billionaire was?
And what did he do with the secrets after buying them?
(assuming it was a “he”)
Pratt.
Ah, so there were two pratts involved in the conversation.
Joe Hockey assures us it’s no big deal, apparently.
https://youtu.be/ilZt4lomngU?si=COp14dC6ayx2fkGc
Legal Eagles breaks down NY ruling.
Bloody hell, lol.
Moderates could unite amid House speaker chaos. Why don’t they?
So far, Republicans plan to elect a new speaker using GOP votes alone. It may not work — and no one knows what happens next.
By Jacqueline Alemany, Marianna Sotomayor and Leigh Ann Caldwell
October 5, 2023 at 6:22 p.m. EDT
Just hours before a vote to oust Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) as the House speaker Tuesday, a group of Democrats and Republicans met in a conference room on the third floor of the Cannon House Office Building to make a last-ditch attempt to avoid the history that was soon to be made.
The group was drawn from the 64-member bipartisan Problem Solvers Caucus, representatives who consider themselves more moderate and more pragmatic than their parties’ firebrands. Some hailed from swing districts where voters might applaud bipartisan action.
For over an hour, people familiar with the session said, Republicans in the group begged Democrats to support the stability of the institution by agreeing to save McCarthy — the speaker who had spent nine months catering to the most extreme elements in his party and who helped resurrect Donald Trump’s image after the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol.
Democrats were bewildered, the people said. They felt McCarthy had done little to earn their trust — and had not asked for their help.
They countered by reminding Republicans that they believed the House needed to first pass new rules to increase the minority party’s power and make it harder to oust the speaker in the future, insulating him from far-right challenges.
Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) was ousted from the speakership Tuesday, marking the first such removal
In another country, or perhaps another political system or environment, these were the members who might have banded together to support a candidate for leader and spare the government and the country unprecedented chaos.
Instead, the tenor of the meeting turned heated. It ended with no agreement — and McCarthy’s fate was sealed. Later that afternoon, all of the House’s 208 Democrats joined with eight conservative Republicans to vote McCarthy out of his job, firing a speaker for the first time in U.S. history.
The failure of the last-ditch effort by the self-styled “problem solvers” underscores how unlikely it will be for the House to solve its leadership vacuum in the coming days through some kind of unity government that might otherwise seem the most obvious path forward.
Even with government funding set to lapse in less than 45 days, aid to Ukraine in limbo and America’s reputation as a functioning democracy on the line, there was little sign this week of interest in cobbling together a bipartisan coalition that could be the fastest way to collect the 217 votes necessary to elect a speaker.
“It really hurts me for what happened here,” Problem Solvers Caucus member Rep. David Joyce (R-Ohio) said in an interview Wednesday, bemoaning that McCarthy was overthrown because he supported a measure on Saturday backed by Democrats that avoided a government shutdown. “He was working on behalf of the American people — that was not a political decision. That was the right thing to do for our country and he got fired? I don’t understand the game anymore.”
A Democrat in the meeting countered that a trust deficit made it impossible to make a deal with their GOP counterparts before concrete action on the rules.
“Nobody trusts Kevin to keep their word,” said the lawmaker, who, like others, spoke on the condition of anonymity to disclose conversations from a private meeting.
Majority Leader Steve Scalise (R-La.), McCarthy’s second-in-command, officially announced a bid for speaker Wednesday, as did Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio), a conservative firebrand who once butted heads with McCarthy in the battle to become the GOP leader in 2018. Other candidates may emerge in the coming days, but Scalise and Jordan have so far indicated that they plan to win the job by appealing to Republicans alone.
As GOP lawmakers ducked in and out of meetings this week, making pitches to one another in initial bids to garner support for the top job, rank-and-file members ruled out the imminent possibility of a bipartisan effort to save them from their latest state of chaos.
“I think the Republican conference will be stronger when we first work with ourselves,” Rep. August Pfluger (R-Tex.) said Wednesday on his way to a lunch with the Texas delegation, where prospective speakers sounded out potential allies.
Compromise, even among pragmatic members in swing districts, is a tall order in this political environment. Moderate Democrats and Republicans face the constant threat of primaries, and many live in fear of being targeted by powerful conservative media. Even members who represent swing districts fret about being punished by extreme voters in primary elections, a member of the Problem Solvers Caucus said.
House rules adopted in a compromise that allowed McCarthy to win the job in January — after days of strife and 15 ballots — have also empowered individual members with outsize influence over the House GOP conference, exacerbating the party’s partisan polarization. A motion to vacate, for example, is a congressional procedure to remove a presiding officer from a position that can be triggered by just one House member. Once initiated, it takes priority on the House floor ahead of all other business. This week, the motion was moved by Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.), a Trump ally.
On top of all that, lingering anger over the events of the past week could impede the kind of one-on-one negotiations necessary to craft any kind of bipartisan deal in the days ahead.
Instead of charting a path forward, some Republican members of the Problem Solvers Caucus on Tuesday evening and into Wednesday morning were threatening to quit the group.
“People over politics? Get real,” Rep. Michael Lawler (R-N.Y.) tweeted at Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries (D-N.Y.), complaining that Jeffries had supported the effort to oust McCarthy. “You aligned yourself with Matt Gaetz to upend the institution and seek political gain in the process. You could have put the country first by refusing to partake in this fraud.”
Lawler, a first-term member from a district that voted for President Biden in 2020, is a member of the Problem Solvers Caucus.
“You could also do the right thing, Lawler,” fellow New Yorker, liberal Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D), responded on X, formerly known as Twitter. “Your district voted for Biden by 10 pts. You could end this by representing and voting for Jeffries.”
Democrats, too, showed little appetite this week for crossing party lines to enter a coalition with Republicans, in part because many said they were convinced no willing partners exist in a post-Trump GOP.
“Never say never,” one Democratic lawmaker said. “But I don’t know that people have gotten that far.”
Speaking on a panel hosted by the American Enterprise Institute on Wednesday, former representative Daniel Lipinski (D-Ill.) recalled that when then-Rep. Mark Meadows (R-N.C.) attempted to overthrow House Speaker John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) in 2015, Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi (Calif.) promised Boehner that she would instruct her members in the Democratic caucus to vote against ousting him.
“She is an institutionalist,” Lipinski explained.
In the end, Boehner announced his retirement from Congress and Democrats did not face that hard choice.
McCarthy told reporters Tuesday evening that Pelosi, now speaker emerita, had made a similar assurance to him in the days ahead of the vote — that she promised to support him in the face of a challenge. But Pelosi, mourning the death of the late Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), remained in California and did not vote Tuesday — and in a post on X, she said Republicans must solve the speaker conundrum on their own.
“The Speaker of the House is chosen by the Majority Party. In this Congress, it is the responsibility of House Republicans to choose a nominee & elect the Speaker on the Floor,” she wrote ahead of the vote. “At this time there is no justification for a departure from this tradition.”
In an interview, Lipinski said he thinks Democrats missed the opportunity to work with Republicans this week — the latest sign of an institution that is “really, really broken.”
“How can you ask the next GOP speaker to stand up to the crazies in their party if Democrats are just going to join the crazies to knock you out?” he said.
Campaigns to fill the leadership vacancy have already started. The House has adjourned for the remainder of the week, but Rep. Patrick T. McHenry (R-N.C.), who is serving in the role of speaker pro tempore, is expected to hold a candidate forum next Tuesday. It’s unclear how long the process will take, but in the meantime, legislative business has come to a halt.
Michael Thorning, a director at the Bipartisan Policy Center, said achieving a true coalition government in the House would require more than Democrats crossing the aisle to vote for a Republican speaker but a form of genuine power-sharing that has yet to be seen in the lower chamber.
Thorning listed a number of novel possibilities, including appointing an even number of Republicans and Democrats on key committees, sharing certain committee chairmanships or crafting a bipartisan agreement over a slate of policy items to be brought to the House floor for votes. The current level of acrimony between the two parties, however, would probably be a barrier to any such agreement, he said.
“This idea is really fighting uphill against the status quo and the dynamic in Congress that people are used to — it would essentially take a revolt against both parties’ leadership to make this happen, and I don’t know that the will to do that is there,” Thorning added.
Surprising bipartisan coalitions have emerged twice to elect leaders of state legislatures in the past year, a reminder that the model appears impossible — until it happens.
In January, the Pennsylvania House of Representatives, nearly evenly divided between the parties, elected an independent speaker who promised to caucus with neither party and hire a bipartisan staff. That same month, Democrats and moderate Republicans in Ohio joined to appoint a more moderate GOP speaker over a far-right lawmaker who was the choice of the party establishment.
At the beginning of the year, some moderate lawmakers engaged in tentative conversations about trying something similar in Congress ahead of the tortured slog McCarthy undertook to become House speaker in the first place. The group surreptitiously circulated a backup candidate who was respected by members of both parties and who had announced he was retiring from Congress: Rep. Fred Upton (R-Mich.).
Upton, now out of Congress, said he was not pushing the idea, earning him an angry tirade on social media by Trump.
“Maybe if the race had gone a couple more ballots — like four or five — maybe there would have been more legs to the story,” Upton said. But he said the experience was a reminder of just how difficult it would be for a member to cross the line and vote for the speaker of the opposing party.
“Go back to every speaker that you know — Tom Foley, Jim Wright, Newt Gingrich, Kevin, Nancy — they’re all vilified by the opposing party, and to be one that casts across the aisle is awfully difficult for any member on either side and it just doesn’t happen,” he added.
Rep. Don Bacon (R-Neb.), who hails from a district won by Biden in 2020, expressed skepticism that any candidate could win 217 votes in the Republican conference alone, surmising that whoever wants to be speaker might have to reach across the aisle eventually.
“At some point, someone’s going to have to give and maybe we’re going into waters that have never been crossed before,” Bacon said, adding that he has attempted to soothe his fellow Republicans and convince them that Democrats are not the ones to be blamed for the current predicament.
“I asked a few people,” he said, “Would you have voted for Nancy Pelosi?”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/10/05/mccarthy-speaker-coalition-government/?
Witty Rejoinder said:
Moderates could unite amid House speaker chaos. Why don’t they?So far, Republicans plan to elect a new speaker using GOP votes alone. It may not work — and no one knows what happens next.
By Jacqueline Alemany, Marianna Sotomayor and Leigh Ann Caldwell
October 5, 2023 at 6:22 p.m. EDTJust hours before a vote to oust Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) as the House speaker Tuesday, a group of Democrats and Republicans met in a conference room on the third floor of the Cannon House Office Building to make a last-ditch attempt to avoid the history that was soon to be made.
The group was drawn from the 64-member bipartisan Problem Solvers Caucus, representatives who consider themselves more moderate and more pragmatic than their parties’ firebrands. Some hailed from swing districts where voters might applaud bipartisan action.
For over an hour, people familiar with the session said, Republicans in the group begged Democrats to support the stability of the institution by agreeing to save McCarthy — the speaker who had spent nine months catering to the most extreme elements in his party and who helped resurrect Donald Trump’s image after the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol.
Democrats were bewildered, the people said. They felt McCarthy had done little to earn their trust — and had not asked for their help.
They countered by reminding Republicans that they believed the House needed to first pass new rules to increase the minority party’s power and make it harder to oust the speaker in the future, insulating him from far-right challenges.
Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) was ousted from the speakership Tuesday, marking the first such removal
In another country, or perhaps another political system or environment, these were the members who might have banded together to support a candidate for leader and spare the government and the country unprecedented chaos.Instead, the tenor of the meeting turned heated. It ended with no agreement — and McCarthy’s fate was sealed. Later that afternoon, all of the House’s 208 Democrats joined with eight conservative Republicans to vote McCarthy out of his job, firing a speaker for the first time in U.S. history.
The failure of the last-ditch effort by the self-styled “problem solvers” underscores how unlikely it will be for the House to solve its leadership vacuum in the coming days through some kind of unity government that might otherwise seem the most obvious path forward.
Even with government funding set to lapse in less than 45 days, aid to Ukraine in limbo and America’s reputation as a functioning democracy on the line, there was little sign this week of interest in cobbling together a bipartisan coalition that could be the fastest way to collect the 217 votes necessary to elect a speaker.
“It really hurts me for what happened here,” Problem Solvers Caucus member Rep. David Joyce (R-Ohio) said in an interview Wednesday, bemoaning that McCarthy was overthrown because he supported a measure on Saturday backed by Democrats that avoided a government shutdown. “He was working on behalf of the American people — that was not a political decision. That was the right thing to do for our country and he got fired? I don’t understand the game anymore.”
A Democrat in the meeting countered that a trust deficit made it impossible to make a deal with their GOP counterparts before concrete action on the rules.
“Nobody trusts Kevin to keep their word,” said the lawmaker, who, like others, spoke on the condition of anonymity to disclose conversations from a private meeting.
Majority Leader Steve Scalise (R-La.), McCarthy’s second-in-command, officially announced a bid for speaker Wednesday, as did Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio), a conservative firebrand who once butted heads with McCarthy in the battle to become the GOP leader in 2018. Other candidates may emerge in the coming days, but Scalise and Jordan have so far indicated that they plan to win the job by appealing to Republicans alone.
As GOP lawmakers ducked in and out of meetings this week, making pitches to one another in initial bids to garner support for the top job, rank-and-file members ruled out the imminent possibility of a bipartisan effort to save them from their latest state of chaos.
“I think the Republican conference will be stronger when we first work with ourselves,” Rep. August Pfluger (R-Tex.) said Wednesday on his way to a lunch with the Texas delegation, where prospective speakers sounded out potential allies.
Compromise, even among pragmatic members in swing districts, is a tall order in this political environment. Moderate Democrats and Republicans face the constant threat of primaries, and many live in fear of being targeted by powerful conservative media. Even members who represent swing districts fret about being punished by extreme voters in primary elections, a member of the Problem Solvers Caucus said.
House rules adopted in a compromise that allowed McCarthy to win the job in January — after days of strife and 15 ballots — have also empowered individual members with outsize influence over the House GOP conference, exacerbating the party’s partisan polarization. A motion to vacate, for example, is a congressional procedure to remove a presiding officer from a position that can be triggered by just one House member. Once initiated, it takes priority on the House floor ahead of all other business. This week, the motion was moved by Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.), a Trump ally.
On top of all that, lingering anger over the events of the past week could impede the kind of one-on-one negotiations necessary to craft any kind of bipartisan deal in the days ahead.
Instead of charting a path forward, some Republican members of the Problem Solvers Caucus on Tuesday evening and into Wednesday morning were threatening to quit the group.
“People over politics? Get real,” Rep. Michael Lawler (R-N.Y.) tweeted at Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries (D-N.Y.), complaining that Jeffries had supported the effort to oust McCarthy. “You aligned yourself with Matt Gaetz to upend the institution and seek political gain in the process. You could have put the country first by refusing to partake in this fraud.”
Lawler, a first-term member from a district that voted for President Biden in 2020, is a member of the Problem Solvers Caucus.
“You could also do the right thing, Lawler,” fellow New Yorker, liberal Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D), responded on X, formerly known as Twitter. “Your district voted for Biden by 10 pts. You could end this by representing and voting for Jeffries.”
Democrats, too, showed little appetite this week for crossing party lines to enter a coalition with Republicans, in part because many said they were convinced no willing partners exist in a post-Trump GOP.
“Never say never,” one Democratic lawmaker said. “But I don’t know that people have gotten that far.”
Speaking on a panel hosted by the American Enterprise Institute on Wednesday, former representative Daniel Lipinski (D-Ill.) recalled that when then-Rep. Mark Meadows (R-N.C.) attempted to overthrow House Speaker John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) in 2015, Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi (Calif.) promised Boehner that she would instruct her members in the Democratic caucus to vote against ousting him.
“She is an institutionalist,” Lipinski explained.
In the end, Boehner announced his retirement from Congress and Democrats did not face that hard choice.
McCarthy told reporters Tuesday evening that Pelosi, now speaker emerita, had made a similar assurance to him in the days ahead of the vote — that she promised to support him in the face of a challenge. But Pelosi, mourning the death of the late Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), remained in California and did not vote Tuesday — and in a post on X, she said Republicans must solve the speaker conundrum on their own.
“The Speaker of the House is chosen by the Majority Party. In this Congress, it is the responsibility of House Republicans to choose a nominee & elect the Speaker on the Floor,” she wrote ahead of the vote. “At this time there is no justification for a departure from this tradition.”
In an interview, Lipinski said he thinks Democrats missed the opportunity to work with Republicans this week — the latest sign of an institution that is “really, really broken.”
“How can you ask the next GOP speaker to stand up to the crazies in their party if Democrats are just going to join the crazies to knock you out?” he said.
Campaigns to fill the leadership vacancy have already started. The House has adjourned for the remainder of the week, but Rep. Patrick T. McHenry (R-N.C.), who is serving in the role of speaker pro tempore, is expected to hold a candidate forum next Tuesday. It’s unclear how long the process will take, but in the meantime, legislative business has come to a halt.
Michael Thorning, a director at the Bipartisan Policy Center, said achieving a true coalition government in the House would require more than Democrats crossing the aisle to vote for a Republican speaker but a form of genuine power-sharing that has yet to be seen in the lower chamber.
Thorning listed a number of novel possibilities, including appointing an even number of Republicans and Democrats on key committees, sharing certain committee chairmanships or crafting a bipartisan agreement over a slate of policy items to be brought to the House floor for votes. The current level of acrimony between the two parties, however, would probably be a barrier to any such agreement, he said.
“This idea is really fighting uphill against the status quo and the dynamic in Congress that people are used to — it would essentially take a revolt against both parties’ leadership to make this happen, and I don’t know that the will to do that is there,” Thorning added.
Surprising bipartisan coalitions have emerged twice to elect leaders of state legislatures in the past year, a reminder that the model appears impossible — until it happens.
In January, the Pennsylvania House of Representatives, nearly evenly divided between the parties, elected an independent speaker who promised to caucus with neither party and hire a bipartisan staff. That same month, Democrats and moderate Republicans in Ohio joined to appoint a more moderate GOP speaker over a far-right lawmaker who was the choice of the party establishment.
At the beginning of the year, some moderate lawmakers engaged in tentative conversations about trying something similar in Congress ahead of the tortured slog McCarthy undertook to become House speaker in the first place. The group surreptitiously circulated a backup candidate who was respected by members of both parties and who had announced he was retiring from Congress: Rep. Fred Upton (R-Mich.).
Upton, now out of Congress, said he was not pushing the idea, earning him an angry tirade on social media by Trump.
“Maybe if the race had gone a couple more ballots — like four or five — maybe there would have been more legs to the story,” Upton said. But he said the experience was a reminder of just how difficult it would be for a member to cross the line and vote for the speaker of the opposing party.
“Go back to every speaker that you know — Tom Foley, Jim Wright, Newt Gingrich, Kevin, Nancy — they’re all vilified by the opposing party, and to be one that casts across the aisle is awfully difficult for any member on either side and it just doesn’t happen,” he added.
Rep. Don Bacon (R-Neb.), who hails from a district won by Biden in 2020, expressed skepticism that any candidate could win 217 votes in the Republican conference alone, surmising that whoever wants to be speaker might have to reach across the aisle eventually.
“At some point, someone’s going to have to give and maybe we’re going into waters that have never been crossed before,” Bacon said, adding that he has attempted to soothe his fellow Republicans and convince them that Democrats are not the ones to be blamed for the current predicament.
“I asked a few people,” he said, “Would you have voted for Nancy Pelosi?”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/10/05/mccarthy-speaker-coalition-government/?
Almost all the moderate Republicans in the House already quit the business or got primaries out
https://youtu.be/nFQosh7l_H4?si=VQ2R3wETXaEmWDkA
Trump’s legal jeopardy due to a habit of passing on classified information
MINNEAPOLIS — Attorneys who’ve been defending MyPillow chief executive and election denier Mike Lindell against defamation lawsuits by voting machine companies are seeking court permission to quit, saying he owes them unspecified millions of dollars and can’t pay the millions more that he’ll owe in legal expenses going forward.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/lawyers-election-denier-mypillow-guy-mike-lindell-money-103790931
Spiny Norman said:
Cheesus.
The stripes on the flags have short circulated his brane.
Spiny Norman said:
Cheesus.
Given the state of American education, ‘the world that people know about’ is not necessarily a faux pas.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5AWfe4xY5M
from Jim Wright/Stonekettle
““It’s a vicious thing, I said, silence of the lamb, you know what that is? HAS ANYBODY SEEN, SILENCE, OF THE LAMBS? Hannibal Lector how great an actor was he? You know why I like him? Because he said on television, or, you know, one of the, I LOVE DONALD TRUMP. So I love him. I love him. I love him. He said that a long time ago. And once he said that he was in my camp I was in his camp I don’t care if he was the worst actor, I’d say he was great to me.”
— Donald Trump, Cedar Rapids, Iowa, verbatim.
I love Hannibal the Cannibal and he loves me.
This guy wants to be your president. Again.”
dv said:
That’s clever!
AussieDJ said:
dv said:
That’s clever!
Indeed. Probably accurate as well.
roughbarked said:
kii said:
Hannibal Lector loves me! I have a great body!
and an increasingly smaller brain.
Damn
dv said:
roughbarked said:
kii said:
Hannibal Lector loves me! I have a great body!
and an increasingly smaller brain.
Damn
I use these videos as motivation for packing up more stuff.
*Notice the way he pulls his waistband away from his corseted gut. Hmmm….may not be evident in this video as the chyron is blocking it. It happens in the first few seconds as he babbles about Biden going to the beach.
Another complicating factor was that some of McCarthy’s backers had been pushing for him to be reinstated. Among them was New York Republican Mike Lawler, who earlier this week tweeted that the limitations of Congress to assist Israel was “why you don’t remove a speaker mid-term without a cause. What an unmitigated shitshow.”
https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/divided-republicans-nominate-new-speaker-of-the-house-20231012-p5ebm7.html
…
‘unmitigated shitshow’ … sounds right.
Such Hilarious
House Republicans have nominated Steve Scalise to be Speaker but already it appears there are about a dozen Republicans who will not vote for him when it is time to actually appoint him as Speaker, which means Scalise would rely on Democrat support to get the job. This is unlikely since Scalise voted against certifying the 2020 election results and still has not accepted the result.
dv said:
House Republicans have nominated Steve Scalise to be Speaker but already it appears there are about a dozen Republicans who will not vote for him when it is time to actually appoint him as Speaker, which means Scalise would rely on Democrat support to get the job. This is unlikely since Scalise voted against certifying the 2020 election results and still has not accepted the result.
Being Yanks they need a Keep Quieter as they already like to speak a lot
Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis declined to provide House Judiciary Chairman Jim Jordan with any additional information about her investigation of former President Donald Trump and his allies as well as any interactions with the Justice Department, according to a new letter obtained by CNN.
“A charitable explanation of your correspondence is that you are ignorant of the United States and Georgia Constitutions and codes,” Willis wrote in her letter to Jordan, an Ohio Republican, Wednesday.
“A more troubling explanation is that you are abusing your authority as Chairman of the Committee on the Judiciary to attempt to obstruct and interfere with a Georgia criminal prosecution,” she added.Willis previously provided information about the federal funding her office receives. But she has rebuffed Jordan’s demands for information related to her investigation and copies of any communication between the district attorney’s office and federal executive branch officials, particularly anyone at the Justice Department.
“To the extent you have specific questions about the Department of Justice’s communications, we refer you to the Department of Justice,” Willis wrote in the letter.
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/11/politics/fani-willis-jim-jordan/index.html
dv said:
Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis declined to provide House Judiciary Chairman Jim Jordan with any additional information about her investigation of former President Donald Trump and his allies as well as any interactions with the Justice Department, according to a new letter obtained by CNN.
“A charitable explanation of your correspondence is that you are ignorant of the United States and Georgia Constitutions and codes,” Willis wrote in her letter to Jordan, an Ohio Republican, Wednesday.
“A more troubling explanation is that you are abusing your authority as Chairman of the Committee on the Judiciary to attempt to obstruct and interfere with a Georgia criminal prosecution,” she added.Willis previously provided information about the federal funding her office receives. But she has rebuffed Jordan’s demands for information related to her investigation and copies of any communication between the district attorney’s office and federal executive branch officials, particularly anyone at the Justice Department.
“To the extent you have specific questions about the Department of Justice’s communications, we refer you to the Department of Justice,” Willis wrote in the letter.
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/11/politics/fani-willis-jim-jordan/index.html
so put that in your pipe and smoke it!
—
House Majority Leader Steve Scalise announced he was dropping out of the speaker’s race Thursday after House Republicans failed to coalesce behind him in the aftermath of Kevin McCarthy’s historic ouster.
“I just shared with my colleagues that I’m withdrawing my name as a candidate for the speaker designee,” the Louisiana Republican told reporters.
The swift downfall of Scalise’s speakership nomination just a day after the GOP conference voted for him over Rep. Jim Jordan, 113-99, was as shocking as it was predictable, after a band of Republicans swiftly said there was no way they would vote for Scalise as speaker. The move deepens the House GOP leadership crisis, with still no indication there is any viable candidate who could secure the 217 votes needed to win the gavel.
Republicans will now have to scramble to find a path forward as the House remains in a speakerless paralysis.
“If you look at where our conference is there’s still work to be done. Our conference still has to come together and is not there,” Scalise said as he announced his withdrawal. “There are still some people that have their own agendas, and I was very clear we have to have everybody put their agendas on the side and focus on what this country needs. This country is counting on us to come back together. This House of Representatives needs a speaker and we need to open up the House again, but clearly not everybody is there, and there’s still schisms that have to get resolved.”
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/12/politics/steve-scalise-speaker-fight/index.html
Texas Gov. Abbott Installs Razor Wire Fence Along Border — With New Mexico
https://themessenger.com/news/texas-gov-abbott-installs-razor-wire-fence-along-border-with-new-mexico
Makes sense, there are some disreputable types there
dv said:
Texas Gov. Abbott Installs Razor Wire Fence Along Border — With New Mexicohttps://themessenger.com/news/texas-gov-abbott-installs-razor-wire-fence-along-border-with-new-mexico
Makes sense, there are some disreputable types there
And so it begins.
dv said:
Texas Gov. Abbott Installs Razor Wire Fence Along Border — With New Mexicohttps://themessenger.com/news/texas-gov-abbott-installs-razor-wire-fence-along-border-with-new-mexico
Makes sense, there are some disreputable types there
In Texas? Yeah, lots of ‘em.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
Texas Gov. Abbott Installs Razor Wire Fence Along Border — With New Mexico
Makes sense, there are some disreputable types there
In Texas? Yeah, lots of ‘em.
or just hairy and needing a shave
https://youtu.be/hAwMSW8Ow3w?si=6jg0Z2rkmr7CwLFL
Trump forgets who the President of the United States, says that Jeb Bush dragged the US into war in the middle east.
dv said:
https://youtu.be/hAwMSW8Ow3w?si=6jg0Z2rkmr7CwLFLTrump forgets who the President of the United States, says that Jeb Bush dragged the US into war in the middle east.
I think trump is building up a repertoire for a new career in stand-up comedy. He’s heavily influenced by rappers.
dv said:
https://youtu.be/hAwMSW8Ow3w?si=6jg0Z2rkmr7CwLFLTrump forgets who the President of the United States, says that Jeb Bush dragged the US into war in the middle east.
Nearly as bad as Teddy Roosevelt’s performance during WW2.
dv said:
dv said:
dv said:
It’s never going to stop is it? So many levels of damage that orange stain and his accomplices have committed.
Ah well at least they addressed the drug problem.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/13/alabama-pregnant-woman-jail-lawsuit
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/16/donald-trump-trial-court-gag-order-2020-election
Trump given limited gag order in criminal case over efforts to overturn 2020 election
Former president is prohibited from making public statements attacking prosecutors, court staff and potential trial witnesses
dv said:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/16/donald-trump-trial-court-gag-order-2020-electionTrump given limited gag order in criminal case over efforts to overturn 2020 election
Former president is prohibited from making public statements attacking prosecutors, court staff and potential trial witnesses
Have they issued a gaga order against………………..
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/16/donald-trump-trial-court-gag-order-2020-electionTrump given limited gag order in criminal case over efforts to overturn 2020 election
Former president is prohibited from making public statements attacking prosecutors, court staff and potential trial witnesses
Have they issued a gaga order against………………..
All we hear is my my my pokerface
pokevfefe
CNN
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Conservative Republican Rep. Jim Jordan of Ohio is bringing the House back to the floor Tuesday to vote on whether he will succeed ousted Speaker Kevin McCarthy and finally end the chamber’s prolonged paralysis amid deep GOP divisions.
Jordan picked up key support from holdouts heading into Tuesday’s vote, which comes two weeks after McCarthy’s historic ousting, and his allies are bullish that the Ohio Republican can corral the 217 votes he needs to be elected speaker. But it’s not clear whether Jordan can be the one who unifies the fractured House Republican conference, with some lawmakers still opposed.
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/17/politics/jordan-speaker-vote-house-floor/index.html
https://www.npr.org/2023/10/15/1206046190/boy-killed-anti-muslim-attack-illinois
A 71-year-old man from Illinois, accused of fatally stabbing a boy and seriously injuring a woman because of their Islamic faith and the Israel-Hamas war, has been charged with murder and hate crimes, among other offenses, authorities said.
Both victims, a 32-year-old woman and a 6-year-old boy, were found with multiple stab wounds to their chest, torso and upper extremities, inside a residence in the unincorporated Plainfield Township outside of Chicago, the Will County Sheriff’s Office said in a statement on social media.
The woman, identified as Hanaan Shahin, was transported to the hospital in serious condition, with more than a dozen stab wounds to her body, and is expected to survive. Her son, Wadea Al-Fayoume, was pronounced dead at the hospital, the sheriff’s office said. An autopsy found the boy was stabbed 26 times.
Jim Jordan lost his first vote to be Speaker of the House.
The ballot results was as follows
Hakeem Jefferies 212
Jim Jordan 200
With 20 for various other Republicans. Jeffries is the Democrat leader in the House.
Jim Jordan has postponed further votes in order to drum up more support from Republican holdouts.
Meanwhile Democrat Jamie Raskin has suggested a powe sharing arrangement in which the Speaker is a Republican drawn from outside the House, such as Mitt Romney or Liz Cheney.
dv said:
Jim Jordan lost his first vote to be Speaker of the House.The ballot results was as follows
Hakeem Jefferies 212
Jim Jordan 200With 20 for various other Republicans. Jeffries is the Democrat leader in the House.
Jim Jordan has postponed further votes in order to drum up more support from Republican holdouts.
Meanwhile Democrat Jamie Raskin has suggested a powe sharing arrangement in which the Speaker is a Republican drawn from outside the House, such as Mitt Romney or Liz Cheney.
That other guy didn’t last long.
I think Trump and Murdoch have shown us that we need new crime categories.
Both of them actively divided America. Both abused their powers.
Has Trumps charges exceeded his litigation?
Tau.Neutrino said:
Has Trumps charges exceeded his litigation?
How do you mean?
Tau.Neutrino said:
Has Trumps charges exceeded his litigation?
91 to 4000
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Has Trumps charges exceeded his litigation?
91 to 4000
Long way to go.
kii said:
Well that would certainly help.
Kingy said:
kii said:
Well that would certainly help.
Yeah, nah.
kii said:
that makes sense.
sarahs mum said:
kii said:
that makes sense.
Well, on one level it would…but his cult will go nutso and storm the Capitol.
kii said:
Good. Lock him up and democracy will be saved from him.
kii said:
sarahs mum said:
kii said:
that makes sense.
Well, on one level it would…but his cult will go nutso and storm the Capitol.
But this time, they’d face the military.
kii said:
Cool
Sadly, Jim Jordan got even fewer votes on his second attempt as Speaker.
Hakeem Jeffries (D) got 212, Jim Jordan ® 199 and various other Republicans got 22.
Throwback to 2019.
https://maristpoll.marist.edu/polls/the-2024-presidential-contest/
The 2024 voting intention between Biden and Trump stands at
49% Biden
46% Trump
But Maris also asked separately how folks would vote in a three-cornered Pitney including Robert Kennedy Jr (who is running as an independent).
Seems to suggest that Kennedy’s candidacy will be more of a spoiler for Trump than for Biden.
dv said:
https://maristpoll.marist.edu/polls/the-2024-presidential-contest/The 2024 voting intention between Biden and Trump stands at
49% Biden
46% TrumpBut Maris also asked separately how folks would vote in a three-cornered Pitney including Robert Kennedy Jr (who is running as an independent).
Seems to suggest that Kennedy’s candidacy will be more of a spoiler for Trump than for Biden.
Let us pray.
Late night hosts are onto it:
“Biden has cancelled his visit to Damascus meaning that’s two Jordans that got shut down today.”
Congresswoman Mariannette Miller-Meeks of Iowa switched her vote from Jim Jordan to Kay Granger, and received a barrage of death threats which she has reported to the law enforcement authorities.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/mariannette-miller-meeks-says-got-death-threats-voting-jordan-speakers-rcna121142
https://youtu.be/EvnqE4VouW8?si=oYC6ZbxSv3-F82jC
DJT forgot his own lie after 4 minutes
dv said:
__
https://youtu.be/EvnqE4VouW8?si=oYC6ZbxSv3-F82jCDJT forgot his own lie after 4 minutes
During his term as President of the United States, Donald Trump made tens of thousands of false or misleading claims. The Washington Post’s fact-checker tallied the number of false or misleading claims as 30,573, an average of approximately 21 per day during his presidential term
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_or_misleading_statements_by_Donald_Trump
kii said:
Chese and Kraken on the way out
dv said:
kii said:
Chese and Kraken on the way out
Radio just said “racketeering”. I was leaving the kitchen when they said it, so missed the rest of the charges.
kii said:
dv said:
kii said:
Chese and Kraken on the way out
Radio just said “racketeering”. I was leaving the kitchen when they said it, so missed the rest of the charges.
The seven charges against her were
Racketeering
Conspiracy to commit election fraud (x 2)
Conspiracy to commit computer theft
Conspiracy to commit computer invasion of privacy
Conspiracy to commit computer trespass
Conspiracy to defraud the state
But I don’t know what she pleaded guilty to
Apparently she has taken a plea deal for 6 years probation and $6000 fine along with an apology in exchange for truthful testimony in the trials of her co-conspirators.
dv said:
Apparently she has taken a plea deal for 6 years probation and $6000 fine along with an apology in exchange for truthful testimony in the trials of her co-conspirators.
That’s a slap on the wrist.
kii said:
dv said:
Apparently she has taken a plea deal for 6 years probation and $6000 fine along with an apology in exchange for truthful testimony in the trials of her co-conspirators.
That’s a slap on the wrist.
I can only assume her cooperation has been excellent
dv said:
kii said:
dv said:
Apparently she has taken a plea deal for 6 years probation and $6000 fine along with an apology in exchange for truthful testimony in the trials of her co-conspirators.
That’s a slap on the wrist.
I can only assume her cooperation has been excellent
Meidastouch, she’s flipped..
https://youtu.be/KworJIScBr4?si=Uy6c4ai6vIsB9W7D
19 shillings said:
dv said:
__https://youtu.be/EvnqE4VouW8?si=oYC6ZbxSv3-F82jC
DJT forgot his own lie after 4 minutes
During his term as President of the United States, Donald Trump made tens of thousands of false or misleading claims. The Washington Post’s fact-checker tallied the number of false or misleading claims as 30,573, an average of approximately 21 per day during his presidential term
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_or_misleading_statements_by_Donald_Trump
Be fair, everyone makes mistakes.
19 shillings said:
dv said:__
https://youtu.be/EvnqE4VouW8?si=oYC6ZbxSv3-F82jCDJT forgot his own lie after 4 minutes
During his term as President of the United States, Donald Trump made tens of thousands of false or misleading claims. The Washington Post’s fact-checker tallied the number of false or misleading claims as 30,573, an average of approximately 21 per day during his presidential term
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_or_misleading_statements_by_Donald_Trump
An achievement that should be more widely recognised.
The Rev Dodgson said:
19 shillings said:
dv said:__
https://youtu.be/EvnqE4VouW8?si=oYC6ZbxSv3-F82jCDJT forgot his own lie after 4 minutes
During his term as President of the United States, Donald Trump made tens of thousands of false or misleading claims. The Washington Post’s fact-checker tallied the number of false or misleading claims as 30,573, an average of approximately 21 per day during his presidential term
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_or_misleading_statements_by_Donald_TrumpAn achievement that should be more widely recognised.
Obvious that the Guiness book of records should include him.
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
19 shillings said:__During his term as President of the United States, Donald Trump made tens of thousands of false or misleading claims. The Washington Post’s fact-checker tallied the number of false or misleading claims as 30,573, an average of approximately 21 per day during his presidential term
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_or_misleading_statements_by_Donald_TrumpAn achievement that should be more widely recognised.
Obvious that the Guiness book of records should include him.
They probably don’t want to mention the record, for fear that people might try to break it.
As Donny clearly demonstrates, talking that much shit is dangerous to your mental health.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:An achievement that should be more widely recognised.
Obvious that the Guiness book of records should include him.
They probably don’t want to mention the record, for fear that people might try to break it.
As Donny clearly demonstrates, talking that much shit is dangerous to your mental health.
:) well, yeah.
Watched the Powell hearing. She is also forbidden to contact the media or any of the co-defendants until all trials are completed.
She was facing 7 felony charges but under terms of the plea deal she has been convicted of 6 counts of a misdemeanour charge of conspiracy to interfere with the functioning of an election. If she breaks the terms of the deal, these misdemeanour convictions stand but she is back on the hook for the 7 felonies.
dv said:
She was facing 7 felony charges but under terms of the plea deal she has been convicted of 6 counts of a misdemeanour charge of conspiracy to interfere with the functioning of an election. If she breaks the terms of the deal, these misdemeanour convictions stand but she is back on the hook for the 7 felonies.
“The lawyer, Sidney Powell, pleaded guilty to six counts of conspiracy to commit intentional interference with performance of election duties, a misdemeanour charge.
She agreed to testify against Trump and the other 16 co-defendants in the case if prosecutors ask her to.”
“The plea agreement calls for her to be sentenced to six years of probation.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-20/sidney-powell-pleads-guilty-donald-trump-georgia-election-fraud/103000142
Michael V said:
dv said:
She was facing 7 felony charges but under terms of the plea deal she has been convicted of 6 counts of a misdemeanour charge of conspiracy to interfere with the functioning of an election. If she breaks the terms of the deal, these misdemeanour convictions stand but she is back on the hook for the 7 felonies.
“The lawyer, Sidney Powell, pleaded guilty to six counts of conspiracy to commit intentional interference with performance of election duties, a misdemeanour charge.
She agreed to testify against Trump and the other 16 co-defendants in the case if prosecutors ask her to.”
“The plea agreement calls for her to be sentenced to six years of probation.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-20/sidney-powell-pleads-guilty-donald-trump-georgia-election-fraud/103000142
It is all coming apart at the seams for Trumians. I wonder if they are watching and learning?
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
She was facing 7 felony charges but under terms of the plea deal she has been convicted of 6 counts of a misdemeanour charge of conspiracy to interfere with the functioning of an election. If she breaks the terms of the deal, these misdemeanour convictions stand but she is back on the hook for the 7 felonies.
“The lawyer, Sidney Powell, pleaded guilty to six counts of conspiracy to commit intentional interference with performance of election duties, a misdemeanour charge.
She agreed to testify against Trump and the other 16 co-defendants in the case if prosecutors ask her to.”
“The plea agreement calls for her to be sentenced to six years of probation.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-20/sidney-powell-pleads-guilty-donald-trump-georgia-election-fraud/103000142
It is all coming apart at the seams for Trumpians. I wonder if they are watching and learning?
Zealots who support Trump will see this as just another example of how the crooked system is being used by Democrats against Trump. It’s not coming apart for them at all. It’s proving their conjecture.
Michael V said:
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:“The lawyer, Sidney Powell, pleaded guilty to six counts of conspiracy to commit intentional interference with performance of election duties, a misdemeanour charge.
She agreed to testify against Trump and the other 16 co-defendants in the case if prosecutors ask her to.”
“The plea agreement calls for her to be sentenced to six years of probation.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-20/sidney-powell-pleads-guilty-donald-trump-georgia-election-fraud/103000142
It is all coming apart at the seams for Trumpians. I wonder if they are watching and learning?
Zealots who support Trump will see this as just another example of how the crooked system is being used by Democrats against Trump. It’s not coming apart for them at all. It’s proving their conjecture.
So they think.
Michael V said:
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:“The lawyer, Sidney Powell, pleaded guilty to six counts of conspiracy to commit intentional interference with performance of election duties, a misdemeanour charge.
She agreed to testify against Trump and the other 16 co-defendants in the case if prosecutors ask her to.”
“The plea agreement calls for her to be sentenced to six years of probation.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-20/sidney-powell-pleads-guilty-donald-trump-georgia-election-fraud/103000142
It is all coming apart at the seams for Trumpians. I wonder if they are watching and learning?
Zealots who support Trump will see this as just another example of how the crooked system is being used by Democrats against Trump. It’s not coming apart for them at all. It’s proving their conjecture.
not sure zealots is the right word, the fact they are flipping now tends to support this.. I think people like SP and RG simply hitched their wagons to the Trump train in (1) the hope that they would come out the other side on top and (2) because they simply never even considered that there would be actual consequences for what they were doing.
During the Trump years a lot of simple-minded rightwingers assumed “we’re in control now!” , not realising that Trump himself was barely in control of his own bowel movements.
diddly-squat said:
Michael V said:
roughbarked said:It is all coming apart at the seams for Trumpians. I wonder if they are watching and learning?
Zealots who support Trump will see this as just another example of how the crooked system is being used by Democrats against Trump. It’s not coming apart for them at all. It’s proving their conjecture.
not sure zealots is the right word, the fact they are flipping now tends to support this.. I think people like SP and RG simply hitched their wagons to the Trump train in (1) the hope that they would come out the other side on top and (2) because they simply never even considered that there would be actual consequences for what they were doing.
I was not specifically talking about Powell or Giuliani. I meant the zealot voters. The MAGA crowd.
Meanwhile
Michigan AG dismisses case against ‘fake elector’ in cooperation deal
Sixteen were charged with trying to overturn the state’s 2020 election results.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/michigan-ag-dismisses-case-fake-elector-cooperation-deal/story?id=104150055
Liberal Redneck – The House GOP is Incompetent
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_UM3dfQpzk
I know it’s been said before but … I still don’t know how these people expected this all to go down. They aren’t actual imbeciles, they managed to pass law exams, the extreme criminality of their actions is self-evident.
Cheese-bro was a normal kind of dude, fairly successful, and he’s thrown away his career and maybe his personal liberty for nothing. Some articles are saying he went a bit weird once he got into crypto but that might be anti-cryptoidism.
Ken the Cheese Boy flips on Trump:
ABC News
captain_spalding said:
Ken the Cheese Boy flips on Trump:ABC News
Another one bites the dust.
And another one down, another one down, another one bites the dust…
Hell, they will need to build some more jails, just to hold trumps former lawyers…
Jim Jordan has lost his third ballot to be speaker of the House
Hakeem Jeffries (D) 210
Jim Jordan ® 194
Steve Scalise ® 8
and 17 votes for various others.
“In a dramatic turn of events, the House GOP conference voted by secret ballot on Friday to drop Jordan as their speaker designee after he failed to win the gavel for the third time in a floor vote earlier in the day. “
Kenneth Chesebro, an attorney and one of the 19 defendants named in the Fulton County, Georgia, election interference case, pleaded guilty today to a felony charge.
Chesebro pleaded guilty to a felony charge of conspiracy to commit filing false documents, averting a trial that was scheduled to start next week. At a hearing carried on cable news networks, he was sentenced to five years of probation, 100 hours of community service and $5,000 restitution. He also agreed to testify truthfully as other defendants face trials. He also wrote a letter of apology
https://deadline.com/2023/10/kenneth-chesebro-pleads-guilty-georgia-trump-1235579186/
Flip flipity flip
dv said:
Jim Jordan has lost his third ballot to be speaker of the HouseHakeem Jeffries (D) 210
Jim Jordan ® 194
Steve Scalise ® 8and 17 votes for various others.
“In a dramatic turn of events, the House GOP conference voted by secret ballot on Friday to drop Jordan as their speaker designee after he failed to win the gavel for the third time in a floor vote earlier in the day. “
After the vote, former GOP House Speaker McCarthy gave a statement:
“We’re going to have to go back to the drawing board. What history will look at … The Crazy Eights led by Matt Gaetz, the amount of damage they have done to this party, the amount of damage they have done to this country, is insurmountable. We’ve never seen this amount of damage done by just a few people, for their own personalities for their own fear of what we’re going through, and really it’s astonishing to me. We are in a very bad position in the party”.
dv said:
Kenneth Chesebro, an attorney and one of the 19 defendants named in the Fulton County, Georgia, election interference case, pleaded guilty today to a felony charge.Chesebro pleaded guilty to a felony charge of conspiracy to commit filing false documents, averting a trial that was scheduled to start next week. At a hearing carried on cable news networks, he was sentenced to five years of probation, 100 hours of community service and $5,000 restitution. He also agreed to testify truthfully as other defendants face trials. He also wrote a letter of apology
https://deadline.com/2023/10/kenneth-chesebro-pleads-guilty-georgia-trump-1235579186/
Flip flipity flip
hopefully this flipping flipping will never flipping end.
dv said:
Kenneth Chesebro, an attorney and one of the 19 defendants named in the Fulton County, Georgia, election interference case, pleaded guilty today to a felony charge.Chesebro pleaded guilty to a felony charge of conspiracy to commit filing false documents, averting a trial that was scheduled to start next week. At a hearing carried on cable news networks, he was sentenced to five years of probation, 100 hours of community service and $5,000 restitution. He also agreed to testify truthfully as other defendants face trials. He also wrote a letter of apology
https://deadline.com/2023/10/kenneth-chesebro-pleads-guilty-georgia-trump-1235579186/
Flip flipity flip
More goodness.
Several Republican congressfolk have shared details of the harassment their families gave received from Jim Jordan’s team.
dv said:
Several Republican congressfolk have shared details of the harassment their families gave received from Jim Jordan’s team.
!!!
dv said:
dv said:
Jim Jordan has lost his third ballot to be speaker of the HouseHakeem Jeffries (D) 210
Jim Jordan ® 194
Steve Scalise ® 8and 17 votes for various others.
“In a dramatic turn of events, the House GOP conference voted by secret ballot on Friday to drop Jordan as their speaker designee after he failed to win the gavel for the third time in a floor vote earlier in the day. “
After the vote, former GOP House Speaker McCarthy gave a statement:
“We’re going to have to go back to the drawing board. What history will look at … The Crazy Eights led by Matt Gaetz, the amount of damage they have done to this party, the amount of damage they have done to this country, is insurmountable. We’ve never seen this amount of damage done by just a few people, for their own personalities for their own fear of what we’re going through, and really it’s astonishing to me. We are in a very bad position in the party”.
Wonder if he’d say that if he was still Speaker
Neophyte said:
dv said:
dv said:
Jim Jordan has lost his third ballot to be speaker of the HouseHakeem Jeffries (D) 210
Jim Jordan ® 194
Steve Scalise ® 8and 17 votes for various others.
“In a dramatic turn of events, the House GOP conference voted by secret ballot on Friday to drop Jordan as their speaker designee after he failed to win the gavel for the third time in a floor vote earlier in the day. “
After the vote, former GOP House Speaker McCarthy gave a statement:
“We’re going to have to go back to the drawing board. What history will look at … The Crazy Eights led by Matt Gaetz, the amount of damage they have done to this party, the amount of damage they have done to this country, is insurmountable. We’ve never seen this amount of damage done by just a few people, for their own personalities for their own fear of what we’re going through, and really it’s astonishing to me. We are in a very bad position in the party”.
Wonder if he’d say that if he was still Speaker
If he were still speaker it would be because Gaetz discovered a few brain-cells he didn’t know he had.
https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/fbi-report-crime-down-republican-election-fear-rcna121384
The FBI’s latest trove of crime statistics show that crime rates fell nationally in 2022. If your response to that news is, “But it sure feels like crime keeps going up!” you are not alone. That’s because our entire debate about crime is held hostage to misleading ideas that prevent us from understanding what’s actually happening and making good policy choices.
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Crime is a local phenomenon, but according to the FBI’s latest data, things have gotten better overall. Though robberies did rise 7.4 percent compared to 2021, homicides fell 6.1 percent, rapes declined 5.4 percent and aggravated assault ticked down 1.1 percent. Overall, violent crimes fell, returning to pre-pandemic levels. While property crime rose, that was largely due to a jump in thefts of motor vehicles (more specifically, Kias and Hyundais).
But that wasn’t what people were hearing in 2022. With the midterm elections approaching, the news media — especially the conservative media, but more mainstream outlets as well — became obsessed with the idea of a terrifying “crime wave” in progress. Fox News practically turned itself into The Crime Channel, airing 193 segments about crime in the single week before the midterm elections. The explanation was always the same: Progressive prosecutors’ soft-headed, liberal policies had produced an explosion in crime. Cities had devolved into hellscapes that now resembled something between “Death Wish” and “The Purge.”
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In that context, facts became irrelevant. In a gubernatorial debate in Oklahoma, when Democrat Joy Hofmeister pointed out that the state has a higher violent crime rate than New York or California, incumbent Kevin Stitt could barely contain his laughter. “Hang on, Oklahomans, do you believe we have higher crime than New York or California?” Stitt said with a huge grin. “That’s what she just said!”
Stitt won re-election, but Hofmeister spoke the truth: Oklahoma has long had higher rates of violent crime than California or New York, even though it has also long been run by conservative Republicans. It’s not just Oklahoma. “The states that mostly have the highest rates of homicide are also the most red states,” Snider notes. “The ones with the highest incarcerated populations … consistently have very high crime rates.”
In many ways, the U.S. has already adopted the conservative approach to fighting crime. Americans have more guns than any other country, and we lock up more of our citizens per capita than any other country. If the conservatives were right, we’d be the safest society on earth. Yet despite recent declines in crime, we aren’t; our homicide rate, for instance, is higher than every one of our peer countries.
Cheseboro’s conviction has penalties similar to Powell but on paper ia more grave in that it is a felony.
CNN
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Former President Donald Trump was fined $5,000 by a New York judge on Friday for violating a gag order not to speak about any members of the court staff – and was warned twice about possible imprisonment.
“Donald Trump has received ample warning from this Court as to the possible repercussions of violating the gag order. He specifically acknowledged that he understood and would abide by it,” Judge Arthur Engoron said in his order Friday.
Donald Trump fined $5,000 for violating gag order in New York fraud trial and warned twice about imprisonment
By Kara Scannell and Sabrina Souza, CNN
4 minute read
Updated 3:36 PM EDT, Fri October 20, 2023
Judge Arthur Engoron presides over former President Donald Trump’s fraud trial in New York Supreme Court on Tuesday, Oct. 3, 2023, in New York.
Dave Sanders/Pool/AP
CNN
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Former President Donald Trump was fined $5,000 by a New York judge on Friday for violating a gag order not to speak about any members of the court staff – and was warned twice about possible imprisonment.
“Donald Trump has received ample warning from this Court as to the possible repercussions of violating the gag order. He specifically acknowledged that he understood and would abide by it,” Judge Arthur Engoron said in his order Friday.
“Accordingly, issuing yet another warning is not longer appropriate; this Court is way behind the ‘warning’ stage.”
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In court, Engoron admonished the former president’s attorneys for a “blatant violation” of the gag order and suggested that violations could result in “imprisonment.”
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https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/20/politics/trump-social-media-fraud-trial-warning/index.html
Truth Social post by trump.
kii said:
Truth Social post by trump.
perhaps a pirate.
Comment on Jay Kuo’s fb page: “So I guess it won’t be the Chese and Kraken trial after all.”
kii said:
Comment on Jay Kuo’s fb page: “So I guess it won’t be the Chese and Kraken trial after all.”
That’s my joke
dv said:
kii said:
Comment on Jay Kuo’s fb page: “So I guess it won’t be the Chese and Kraken trial after all.”
That’s my joke
prove it :D
kii said:
Truth Social post by trump.
I wonder if JC will flip on him, too?
kii said:
Truth Social post by trump.
Shouldn’t the religiously inclined find this stuff highly offensive?
The Rev Dodgson said:
kii said:
Truth Social post by trump.
Shouldn’t the religiously inclined find this stuff highly offensive?
they turn the other cheek.
The Rev Dodgson said:
kii said:
Truth Social post by trump.
Shouldn’t the religiously inclined find this stuff highly offensive?
I suppose it’s quite apt, if we’re going to be realistic about it. The Jesus of the Bible told everyone he was the son of God and if they don’t follow him, they’re doomed.
Trump exhibits similar self-worship and delusion.
The Rev Dodgson said:
kii said:
Truth Social post by trump.
Shouldn’t the religiously inclined find this stuff highly offensive?
kii said:
Truth Social post by trump.
“Here’s another fine mess you’ve gotten me into, Donald.”
The Rev Dodgson said:
kii said:
Truth Social post by trump.
Shouldn’t the religiously inclined find this stuff highly offensive?
More hilarious
The Rev Dodgson said:
kii said:
Truth Social post by trump.
Shouldn’t the religiously inclined find this stuff highly offensive?
I think we need to stop classifying the right wing voting evangelical fundies in the US as “Christians”, and come up with some new name for them.
Haley threatens to overtake DeSantis as Trump alternative, sending sparks flying
Escalating frictions between the two candidates vying for a distant second behind Trump are playing out before voters on the campaign trail and behind closed doors with wealthy donors
By Maeve Reston, Hannah Knowles and Dylan Wells
Published October 21, 2023 at 5:03 a.m. EDT
Nikki Haley is increasingly threatening to supplant Ron DeSantis as the principal GOP presidential rival to Donald Trump, escalating frictions between the two candidates that are playing out before voters on the campaign trail and behind closed doors with wealthy donors.
While DeSantis held an advantage over other non-Trump candidates for much of the year, his support has eroded and Haley’s has climbed, according to interviews with voters, strategists and a review of early state polling, putting them in a contentious battle for a distant second place. Their teams circled one another at a recent private donor summit in Dallas, where they charted their respective paths before potential financial backers — many of whom have been skeptical about the ability of either to beat the former president.
In the past few days, in the midst of the war between Israel and Hamas, the two candidates have tussled over their contrasting positions, both past and present, on U.S. policy in the Middle East and how to help refugees fleeing war-torn regions. DeSantis courted voters Thursday in Haley’s home state of South Carolina, where she is leading him in the polls, before they crossed paths Friday in Iowa, where the Florida governor is anchoring his candidacy and has built a much larger footprint.
The intensifying competition was evident in Iowa, where some voters said they had moved to Haley from DeSantis and the two appeared at a multicandidate event. Both focused on foreign policy, avoiding direct shots at each other in their remarks. Haley’s campaign on Friday released a video labeling him “desperate” for attacking her, and when asked by a voter about her stance on accepting refugees from the Middle East at a town hall in Pella on Saturday she used the opportunity to criticize DeSantis.
“God bless Ron DeSantis, because he continues to try and bring up this refugee situation. He has said that I want to take Gazan refugees; I have never said that,” Haley said. “He can keep doing it, but that’s what happens when a campaign starts to spiral out.”
For the first time since making a small expenditure against Haley in April, Never Back Down, a super PAC supporting the Florida governor, invested significant money on the airwaves in recent days opposing Haley, echoing comments DeSantis has made publicly. They spent nearly $1 million airing a new ad in Iowa, according to disclosures filed with the Federal Election Commission, highlighting DeSantis’s opposition to allowing refugees from Gaza into the U.S. and suggesting that Haley would be open to that idea. The ad misconstrued Haley’s remarks in a recent CNN interview and her campaign underscored that she is opposed both to providing U.S. aid to Gaza and to sheltering Gaza refugees in the U.S.
The back-and-forth between the two camps marked a combative new phase of the GOP race that has echoes of 2016 — where Trump’s lower-polling rivals trained much of their fire on one another rather than on him, a strategy that ultimately helped Trump win the nomination. Both Haley and DeSantis, who has been more forcefully criticizing the former president in recent weeks, are trailing Trump by an average of between 40 and 50 points in the polls. But advisers to both candidates see a narrowing of the field as an essential element to toppling Trump.
That consolidation could happen sooner rather than later as other candidates such as former vice president Mike Pence and Sen. Tim Scott (R-S.C.) are struggling. The challenges for lower-tier candidates have led some Republicans to envision a contest that eventually comes down to three finalists: a runaway favorite in Trump and two longer-shots with sharply contrasting pitches.
Haley rose to third in a Washington Post average of national polling from October, with 8 percent support to DeSantis’s 14 percent. She’s pulled into third in Iowa, where DeSantis’s support is still noticeably stronger, and jumped ahead of DeSantis in recent surveys of New Hampshire and South Carolina.
DeSantis operatives and allies acknowledge that Haley is having a “moment,” and some increasingly view her as the main threat to his efforts to consolidate voters looking for an alternative. But they also argue she appeals primarily to a smaller, anti-Trump segment of the Republican electorate that many candidates are fighting over, and that she can’t win enough voters from the pro-Trump majority of the party to defeat Trump in a head-to-head.
In a closed-door address to donors this month in Park City, Utah, at a conference organized by former House speaker Paul D. Ryan and attended by Sen. Mitt Romney of Utah, Haley addressed the potential financiers who do not want to see Trump win the nomination. She bluntly told them that “sitting on the sidelines is not an option” and suggested their reluctance to engage has been a critical factor in Trump’s dominance. “You need to make a choice — and I hope you choose me,” she told them, according to several people who described her remarks in the private session.
At the meeting of GOP megadonors who are part of the American Opportunity Alliance in Dallas — where the teams of both DeSantis and Haley were invited to present their respective cases — DeSantis campaign advisers argued that consolidation of the field would help DeSantis but not Haley, partly because 90 percent of DeSantis’s voters would migrate to Trump if he dropped out, according to several people familiar with the presentation, who like others spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe private comments.
At that same gathering, Haley’s team cited polls showing her ahead of DeSantis in New Hampshire and argued that she is closing in on him in Iowa. They also noted her cash advantage over DeSantis, who had about $5 million left for the primary and $1 million in debts on reports recently filed with the FEC — compared to her $9.1 million in cash reserves for the primary. Haley’s advisers told the donors at the Dallas meeting that the GOP contest is “a two-person race between one man and one woman,” according to people familiar with the presentation.
“We have to have a new generational leader, one that’s going to understand that these threats are real and we need new solutions to do with it,” Haley said on Friday in Iowa as she detailed the foreign policy experience she gained through her role as U.N. ambassador.
“I’m the only one running for president that can tell you I have delivered on 100 percent of my promises. Everything I told the people in Florida I will do, I’ve accomplished,” DeSantis said at the same event.
Different paths to power
DeSantis, 45, and Haley, 51, both represent a new generation of leadership in the Republican Party, but they have charted different paths to power. Haley — a conservative former South Carolina governor who has long appealed to the foreign policy hawks as well as moderates in her party, even as she has embraced some polarizing positions — has campaigned on her ability to find consensus on difficult issues such as the handling of the confederate flag in her state and abortion. DeSantis, by contrast, has relished his role as a bomb-throwing firebrand in Florida — continually running to Trump’s right on many issues in his quest for the nomination.
Both were once allies of Trump, who endorsed DeSantis in his first tough race for governor of Florida and chose Haley as his ambassador to the United Nations. Haley has a more complicated history with Trump — criticizing and opposing him when he ran in the 2016 GOP primary before joining his administration the following year.
She later said she would not run against the former president, but ultimately decided to do so. During the first debate, which Trump skipped, Haley called Trump “the most disliked politician in America,” drawing some boos. “We can’t win a general election that way,” she added.
Haley is now drawing the DeSantis camp’s attention after flying under the radar for much of the race. She and her team have criticized DeSantis off and on throughout this year, faulting his efforts to punish Disney, for example, or suggesting that he is a Trump imitator in a fall campaign memo.
Trump has branded both candidates with disparaging nicknames. In a sign of Haley’s rising influence, he has gone after her more in recent weeks than he had before.
As recently as July, a DeSantis campaign memo was more focused on Scott than Haley. At a Never Back Down briefing with donors just ahead of the first GOP debate, strategist Jeff Roe said entrepreneur Vivek Ramaswamy could become a problem and that the super PAC was spreading opposition research on him.
The DeSantis camp hopes growing scrutiny of Haley will take a toll. At the same time, they publicly reject the notion that Haley is threatening to eclipse DeSantis — insisting that they are merely drawing out key policy contrasts between the two candidates’ records just as they have done with other candidates.
“Ron DeSantis will always stand up against dangerous ideas and in support of Israel,” DeSantis campaign spokesman Andrew Romeo said in a statement Friday. “That doesn’t change the fact that this is a two-man race for the nomination.”
The DeSantis campaign and its allies are drawing attention to Haley’s past statements on refugees, pointing to her initial support for resettlements as governor of South Carolina and her opposition in 2015 to Trump’s proposed ban on Muslim immigrants. The attacks do not note her 2015 opposition to refugees from Syria and loyalty to Israel as U.N. ambassador.
“Nikki Haley has a history of weakly flip-flopping on critical issues and so far, she has never had to defend her actions,” said Kristin Davison, chief operating officer of Never Back Down. “She’s provided an opportunity with her own missteps to fully expose her record versus her rhetoric. She will not be able to survive that.”
The Haley campaign said the attacks from DeSantis and his allies were proof of her ascent: “Nikki has a long and strong record of taking on Hamas and standing up for Israel. Since announcing, DeSantis insisted it’s a ‘two-man race’ between him and Trump. As his fundraising and poll numbers plummet, he’s lobbing false attacks at Nikki because he knows it’s a two-person race — Nikki and Trump,” her spokeswoman Olivia Perez-Cubas said in a statement.
In Iowa on Friday, DeSantis spoke of the ties between Israel and Florida, and touted his role in organizing flights out of the country. Haley highlighted her foreign policy experience, recalling telling Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to “finish them” — when speaking about the threat posed by Hamas — and participating in hostage negotiations. Both received standing ovations, with many in the audience sporting black and gold Iowa Hawkeyes jerseys.
Haley’s aides recently accused DeSantis and his allied super PAC of lying about her record, pointing to fact checks that rated claims by Never Back Down as false. In an Oct. 15 interview with CNN, Haley had questioned why Arab countries weren’t doing more to help innocent Palestinians, and she had argued that many Palestinians in Gaza want to be “free from this terrorist rule” of Hamas.
But her campaign underscored that Haley “opposes taxpayer dollars for Gaza just like she did when she helped eliminate it at the U.N. The money is too easily diverted to Hamas and is not a good use of tax dollars. Arab countries should step up if they want to help Palestinians as much as they claim.”
Voters eye both Haley and DeSantis
While DeSantis and his allied super PAC have built a larger ground presence in Iowa, a state Haley is seen as weaker in compared to New Hampshire and South Carolina, voters in the Hawkeye State have taken notice of Haley.
Iowa voter Karen Skovgard, who plans to participate in the Republican caucuses and calls herself a “moderate,” said she was impressed with Haley’s “demeanor, her ability to take charge of things.”
Skovgard said she trusts her on foreign policy and liked her “practical” answer on abortion during the first GOP debate, where Haley set herself apart from her rivals by arguing that most federal abortion bans would never pass Congress.
Nikki Kemper said her vote was for DeSantis until she attended Haley’s town hall in Cedar Rapids Friday afternoon — the first time she saw Haley in person.
“Hands down, she won it,” Kemper said, citing Haley’s broader focus on international issues. “She really hit on every topic across local and international, and I think DeSantis didn’t really cover a lot of the same topics. So I just felt like she was more rounded and really had the experience overseas, as well, to help sell it.”
Some early-state voters who are hoping for a strong Trump alternative are waiting to see who emerges as the most viable candidate of the two.
“Anyone but Trump,” Kirk Hayes replied immediately at a DeSantis event in Algona, Iowa late this summer. But he wasn’t sure whether any of the contenders could topple Trump. “No one’s really come out in front.”
In a follow-up interview this month, Hayes, 87, said he was still considering both Haley and DeSantis, even though the Florida governor is “a little more conservative than I am,” Hayes said. “But it’s not a dealbreaker for me.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2023/10/21/haley-desantis-trump-presidential-race/?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oFu76zbETo
Manages to do impossible. Takes funds off people who hate drag and spends it a bar where drag happens.
party_pants said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
kii said:
Truth Social post by trump.
Shouldn’t the religiously inclined find this stuff highly offensive?
I think we need to stop classifying the right wing voting evangelical fundies in the US as “Christians”, and come up with some new name for them.
That’d be nice.
Michael V said:
party_pants said:The Rev Dodgson said:
Shouldn’t the religiously inclined find this stuff highly offensive?
I think we need to stop classifying the right wing voting evangelical fundies in the US as “Christians”, and come up with some new name for them.
That’d be nice.
I have lots of names for them, but i don’t think that many of them are suitable for general use.
Michael V said:
party_pants said:The Rev Dodgson said:
Shouldn’t the religiously inclined find this stuff highly offensive?
I think we need to stop classifying the right wing voting evangelical fundies in the US as “Christians”, and come up with some new name for them.
That’d be nice.
christianist.
Michael V said:
party_pants said:The Rev Dodgson said:
Shouldn’t the religiously inclined find this stuff highly offensive?
I think we need to stop classifying the right wing voting evangelical fundies in the US as “Christians”, and come up with some new name for them.
That’d be nice.
I think some people call them Christofascists.
kii said:
Michael V said:
party_pants said:I think we need to stop classifying the right wing voting evangelical fundies in the US as “Christians”, and come up with some new name for them.
That’d be nice.
I think some people call them Christofascists.
That’s a good one.
I was thinking hypochristian.
Where the “hypo-” part stands for hypocrite, and also for being below he required standard.
Boris said:
Michael V said:
party_pants said:I think we need to stop classifying the right wing voting evangelical fundies in the US as “Christians”, and come up with some new name for them.
That’d be nice.
christianist.
https://www.theatlantic.com/daily-dish/archive/2006/12/in-defense-of-the-term-christianist/231807/
Boris said:
Boris said:
Michael V said:That’d be nice.
christianist.
https://www.theatlantic.com/daily-dish/archive/2006/12/in-defense-of-the-term-christianist/231807/
A reader writes:
“Christianist” is a strictly neutral term – it describes a specific political position about the relationship between Christian faith and the state. If I actually believed that Christianity is the one true religion, and that the US government should be based on my understanding of the dictates of Christianity, I’d think that Christianist would correctly describe me, and I wouldn’t take offense. If you had said something like “evil Christianists,” then I’d take offense.
The real reason that the current political leaders who can be rightly called Christianists take offense is not, as you suggest, because you are equating Christianity with Islam, but because, for political purposes, they wish to deny the truth about the radical nature of their claim on the state. They wish to keep claiming that their agenda is not radically at odds with the Constitution. It is the way Communists often took power by claiming that they are merely agrarian reformers. Christianists are mad because the term tears off their mask. Or, to be more charitable, they don’t want to admit to themselves the radical unconstitutional nature of their claim. Agreeing to be called Christianists will force them to be as honest as Islamists are about their political claim. They can’t do that and stay in business.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_fascism#:~:text=Christian%20fascism%20is%20a%20term,the%20liberation%20theologian%20Dorothee%20S%C3%B6lle.
kii said:
Michael V said:
party_pants said:I think we need to stop classifying the right wing voting evangelical fundies in the US as “Christians”, and come up with some new name for them.
That’d be nice.
I think some people call them Christofascists.
Fair.
Boris said:
Michael V said:
party_pants said:I think we need to stop classifying the right wing voting evangelical fundies in the US as “Christians”, and come up with some new name for them.
That’d be nice.
christianist.
Trumpeters
party_pants said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
kii said:
Truth Social post by trump.
Shouldn’t the religiously inclined find this stuff highly offensive?
I think we need to stop classifying the right wing voting evangelical fundies in the US as “Christians”, and come up with some new name for them.
Evangelical fundies, works.
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:The Rev Dodgson said:
Shouldn’t the religiously inclined find this stuff highly offensive?
I think we need to stop classifying the right wing voting evangelical fundies in the US as “Christians”, and come up with some new name for them.
Evangelical fundies, works.
E-fundies?
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:The Rev Dodgson said:
Shouldn’t the religiously inclined find this stuff highly offensive?
I think we need to stop classifying the right wing voting evangelical fundies in the US as “Christians”, and come up with some new name for them.
Evangelical fundies, works.
Christian Fundamentalism already exists and although they are bat-shit crazy they’re still not as bad as the MAGA cult.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_fundamentalism
Trump Denies Sidney Powell Was Ever His Lawyer…
Meanwhile back in 2020…
https://www.forbes.com/sites/mollybohannon/2023/10/22/trump-denies-sidney-powell-was-ever-his-lawyer-after-she-takes-plea-deal/?sh=6d3bbb7f5295
fsm said:
Trump Denies Sidney Powell Was Ever His Lawyer…
Meanwhile back in 2020…
https://www.forbes.com/sites/mollybohannon/2023/10/22/trump-denies-sidney-powell-was-ever-his-lawyer-after-she-takes-plea-deal/?sh=6d3bbb7f5295
There he goes again with the stollen.
kii said:
fsm said:
Trump Denies Sidney Powell Was Ever His Lawyer…
Meanwhile back in 2020…
https://www.forbes.com/sites/mollybohannon/2023/10/22/trump-denies-sidney-powell-was-ever-his-lawyer-after-she-takes-plea-deal/?sh=6d3bbb7f5295
There he goes again with the stollen.
Stollen, person, woman, man, camera, TV.
FFS …
Spiny Norman said:
FFS …
ack!
Witty Rejoinder said:
kii said:
fsm said:
Trump Denies Sidney Powell Was Ever His Lawyer…
Meanwhile back in 2020…
https://www.forbes.com/sites/mollybohannon/2023/10/22/trump-denies-sidney-powell-was-ever-his-lawyer-after-she-takes-plea-deal/?sh=6d3bbb7f5295
There he goes again with the stollen.
Stollen, person, woman, man, camera, TV.
Spiny Norman said:
FFS …
Sometimes I just beyond hope for the future of the human race.
kii said:
Spiny Norman said:
FFS …
Sometimes I just beyond hope for the future of the human race.
Yeah. My old mate told me the other day, “We are fucked”. I said yes but we’ll both be dead by then anyway.
fsm said:
Trump Denies Sidney Powell Was Ever His Lawyer…
Meanwhile back in 2020…
https://www.forbes.com/sites/mollybohannon/2023/10/22/trump-denies-sidney-powell-was-ever-his-lawyer-after-she-takes-plea-deal/?sh=6d3bbb7f5295
You have to think that Ellis is going to be next to flip
Washington
CNN
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Mar-a-Lago member and Australian billionaire Anthony Pratt said then-President Donald Trump told him about his private calls with the leaders of Ukraine and Iraq, according to reports published Sunday about private recordings of Pratt, a key prosecution witness in Trump’s classified documents case.
The reports from The New York Times and “60 Minutes Australia” revealed previously unknown recordings of Pratt candidly recalling his conversations with Trump – and build on existing allegations that Trump overshared sensitive government material.
In the tapes, Pratt says Trump shared insider details about his phone calls with world leaders during his presidency. Pratt also offers searing critiques of Trump’s personal ethics.
CNN previously reported that Pratt gave an interview to special counsel Jack Smith, who charged Trump with mishandling national security materials by hoarding dozens of classified documents at Mar-a-Lago in Florida. (Trump pleaded not guilty.) Pratt is also on Smith’s witness list for the trial, which is scheduled for May.
Concerns about Trump’s freewheeling approach to state secrets are at the center of that case. Past reports from ABC News said Trump discussed potentially sensitive information with Pratt about US nuclear submarines. The new reports Sunday expand what is known about Pratt’s recounting of their conversations to include foreign policy matters.
“It hadn’t even been on the news yet, and he said, ‘I just bombed Iraq today,’” Pratt said in one recording that was made public Sunday, recalling a conversation with Trump.
Pratt then recalled Trump’s description of his December 2019 call with Iraqi President Barham Salih. According to Pratt, Trump said, “The president of Iraq called me up and said, ‘You just leveled my city. … I said to him, ‘OK, what are you going to do about it?’”
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One of the good things about DJT being completely unaware of reality, unable to remember details and basically full of shit is that the sensitive information he passes on is probably erroneous.
What Iraqi city did the US level n 2019?
10 House Republicans voted to impeach Trump.
Rep. Liz Cheney lost the Republican primary in 2022 and hence left Congress in 2023.
Rep.Tom Rice lost the Republican primary in 2022 and hence left Congress in 2023.
Rep. Peter Meijer lost the Republican primary in 2022 and hence left Congress in 2023.
Rep. Jaime Herrera Beutler lost the primary in 2022 and hence left Congress in 2023.
Rep. Anthony Gonzalez did not seek reelection and hence left Congress in 2023.
Rep. Adam Kinzinger did not seek reelection and hence left Congress in 2023.
Rep. Fred Upton did not seek reelection and hence left Congress in 2023.
Rep. John Katko did not seek reelection and hence left Congress in 2023.
Rep. David Valadao won the primary in 2022 and also won the General Election so he remains in Congress.
Rep. Dan Newhouse won the Republican primary in 2022 and also won the General Election so he remains in Congress.
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7 Senate Republicans voted to convict him.Susan Collins is still in the Senate.
Lisa Murkowski is still in the Senate.
Bill Cassidy is still in the Senate.
Mitt Romney is still in the Senate though he has said he will not run in 2024.
Pat Toomey did not seek reelection and hence left Congress in 2023.
Richard Burr did not seek reelection and hence left Congress in 2023.
Ben Sasse resigned from the senate in 2023.
https://youtube.com/shorts/l_B8p7C8oI4?si=qvJ60D9fMZm12BI4
Republican Senator Markwayne Mullin explains why Republicans did not come to Matt Gaetz’s defence when he was under investigation for child sex trafficking.
Heartwarming
dv said:
Heartwarming
Yeah nah.
The US is all kinds of fucked up.
Kingy said:
dv said:
Heartwarming
Yeah nah.
The US is all kinds of fucked up.
WT actual F????
dv said:
Heartwarming
The middle class?
1) The billionaires with Learjets, islands and a fleet of Bentleys.
2) The “middle” class sleeping in their 1995 Corolla.
3) The “poors” sleeping in a ditch next to some “rich” persons Corolla.
Apparently the rich taste like cake. It’s about time…
https://youtube.com/shorts/KY2yEuKJx9o?si=8uLoz6SJn0-BU738
Matt Gaetz reads out Chinese propaganda in a congressional hearing, gets pwned
Kingy said:
dv said:
Heartwarming
The middle class?
1) The billionaires with Learjets, islands and a fleet of Bentleys.
2) The “middle” class sleeping in their 1995 Corolla.
3) The “poors” sleeping in a ditch next to some “rich” persons Corolla.
Apparently the rich taste like cake. It’s about time…
LOL- does that make me a ‘rich middle class’ then????
dv said:
Heartwarming
When I worked at BN many times they’d send people home if the sales weren’t tracking for a good day. I’d always volunteer to go, because a lot of the younger staff had very limited income and couldn’t afford to waste the petrol they’d used to drive in. Most places around here require a car.
Pratt, Meidas Touch and Legal AF…
https://youtu.be/qRLzUK2mci0?si=qj8F26LddLboHQw4
For some reason, Pratt has been paying Paul Keating $300000 a year?
Uvalde Police Department held a Halloween event in the parking lot of a local funeral home.
Fucking hell 😳
dv said:
For some reason, Pratt has been paying Paul Keating $300000 a year?
Consulting iirc.
kii said:
Uvalde Police Department held a Halloween event in the parking lot of a local funeral home.Fucking hell 😳
From the Uvalde Police Department’s fb page.
The brainwashing of the local kids…
boppa said:
Kingy said:
dv said:
Heartwarming
Yeah nah.
The US is all kinds of fucked up.
WT actual F????
You think this doesn’t happen in Australia?
The Rev Dodgson said:
boppa said:
Kingy said:Yeah nah.
The US is all kinds of fucked up.
WT actual F????
You think this doesn’t happen in Australia?
I know it does.
boppa said:
Kingy said:
dv said:
Heartwarming
The middle class?
1) The billionaires with Learjets, islands and a fleet of Bentleys.
2) The “middle” class sleeping in their 1995 Corolla.
3) The “poors” sleeping in a ditch next to some “rich” persons Corolla.
Apparently the rich taste like cake. It’s about time…
LOL- does that make me a ‘rich middle class’ then????
It does if that’s your front gate.
The Rev Dodgson said:
boppa said:
Kingy said:Yeah nah.
The US is all kinds of fucked up.
WT actual F????
You think this doesn’t happen in Australia?
Living in a car? Luxury.
If I was in those circumstances I’d have to live in my bicycle.
Bubblecar said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
boppa said:WT actual F????
You think this doesn’t happen in Australia?
Living in a car? Luxury.
If I was in those circumstances I’d have to live in my bicycle.
Usually when I did that it was in a tent beside the bike.
Bubblecar said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
boppa said:WT actual F????
You think this doesn’t happen in Australia?
Living in a car? Luxury.
If I was in those circumstances I’d have to live in my bicycle.
Bicycle! looxury, we had to live in skate board
roughbarked said:
boppa said:
Kingy said:The middle class?
1) The billionaires with Learjets, islands and a fleet of Bentleys.
2) The “middle” class sleeping in their 1995 Corolla.
3) The “poors” sleeping in a ditch next to some “rich” persons Corolla.
Apparently the rich taste like cake. It’s about time…
LOL- does that make me a ‘rich middle class’ then????
It does if that’s your front gate.
Thats my front gate all right- but I bought land cheap (darling downs/western plains)- you can buy land here at literally 1/20th of what my sister paid for her house in brisbakers…. I don’t know of any kids that will be able to afford their own house anywhere near ‘the cities’
:-(
boppa said:
roughbarked said:
boppa said:LOL- does that make me a ‘rich middle class’ then????
It does if that’s your front gate.
Thats my front gate all right- but I bought land cheap (darling downs/western plains)- you can buy land here at literally 1/20th of what my sister paid for her house in brisbakers…. I don’t know of any kids that will be able to afford their own house anywhere near ‘the cities’
:-(
Yeah that’s a long commute to amywhere.
roughbarked said:
boppa said:
roughbarked said:It does if that’s your front gate.
Thats my front gate all right- but I bought land cheap (darling downs/western plains)- you can buy land here at literally 1/20th of what my sister paid for her house in brisbakers…. I don’t know of any kids that will be able to afford their own house anywhere near ‘the cities’
:-(
Yeah that’s a long commute to amywhere.
It depends on the commute.
At one job I had the commute was through World Heritage rainforest then down a cable car to my office.
Tamb said:
roughbarked said:
boppa said:Thats my front gate all right- but I bought land cheap (darling downs/western plains)- you can buy land here at literally 1/20th of what my sister paid for her house in brisbakers…. I don’t know of any kids that will be able to afford their own house anywhere near ‘the cities’
:-(
Yeah that’s a long commute to amywhere.
It depends on the commute.
At one job I had the commute was through World Heritage rainforest then down a cable car to my office.
:) Now that’s a nice way to start work.
roughbarked said:
boppa said:
roughbarked said:It does if that’s your front gate.
Thats my front gate all right- but I bought land cheap (darling downs/western plains)- you can buy land here at literally 1/20th of what my sister paid for her house in brisbakers…. I don’t know of any kids that will be able to afford their own house anywhere near ‘the cities’
:-(
Yeah that’s a long commute to amywhere.
LOL- its a long commute down the driveway- over half a kilometre from the gate to the house…
boppa said:
roughbarked said:
boppa said:Thats my front gate all right- but I bought land cheap (darling downs/western plains)- you can buy land here at literally 1/20th of what my sister paid for her house in brisbakers…. I don’t know of any kids that will be able to afford their own house anywhere near ‘the cities’
:-(
Yeah that’s a long commute to amywhere.
LOL- its a long commute down the driveway- over half a kilometre from the gate to the house…
wouldn’t be going for a sausage roll to often.
Boris said:
boppa said:
roughbarked said:Yeah that’s a long commute to amywhere.
LOL- its a long commute down the driveway- over half a kilometre from the gate to the house…
wouldn’t be going for a sausage roll to often.
Actually, it isn’t THAT bad- only 7-8 mins drive to the shopping center…
Took me longer to get to the local one in brisbakers on a good day- could take up to half an hour in peak hour…
Peak hour here is when I see another car on the road…
LOL
boppa said:
roughbarked said:
boppa said:Thats my front gate all right- but I bought land cheap (darling downs/western plains)- you can buy land here at literally 1/20th of what my sister paid for her house in brisbakers…. I don’t know of any kids that will be able to afford their own house anywhere near ‘the cities’
:-(
Yeah that’s a long commute to amywhere.
LOL- its a long commute down the driveway- over half a kilometre from the gate to the house…
Sounds like my kinda place.
I ain’t no law expert but DJT does not have many possible defences and some of the commentators are saying that by distancing himself from his lawyers, he is burning two possible defences: attorney-client privilege (meaning he can avoid answering questions about the plot) and the advice of counsel defence (he, humble layman, was just relying on expert legal advice.)
OTOH has does have a habit of saying one thing on social media and quite another in court. Likely in court he will affirm that Cheseboro and Powell were his attorneys.
dv said:
I ain’t no law expert but DJT does not have many possible defences and some of the commentators are saying that by distancing himself from his lawyers, he is burning two possible defences: attorney-client privilege (meaning he can avoid answering questions about the plot) and the advice of counsel defence (he, humble layman, was just relying on expert legal advice.)OTOH has does have a habit of saying one thing on social media and quite another in court. Likely in court he will affirm that Cheseboro and Powell were his attorneys.
I’ve lost track of all the court cases.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
I ain’t no law expert but DJT does not have many possible defences and some of the commentators are saying that by distancing himself from his lawyers, he is burning two possible defences: attorney-client privilege (meaning he can avoid answering questions about the plot) and the advice of counsel defence (he, humble layman, was just relying on expert legal advice.)OTOH has does have a habit of saying one thing on social media and quite another in court. Likely in court he will affirm that Cheseboro and Powell were his attorneys.
I’ve lost track of all the court cases.
Don’t worry I am sure he has too.
It’s amazing the amount of stuff they let slide, to be honest. He could have faced dozens of other charges on obstruction and corruption.
Still I suppose they are picking their targets.
https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2023/10/24/trump-campaign-trail-comments-nn-vpx.cnn
Trump compares himself to Nelson Mandela
dv said:
https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2023/10/24/trump-campaign-trail-comments-nn-vpx.cnn
Trump compares himself to Nelson Mandela
Mandela never lost an election.
dv said:
https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2023/10/24/trump-campaign-trail-comments-nn-vpx.cnn
Trump compares himself to Nelson Mandela
Sort of a mirror image.
Mandela was in prison for a long time, then became President.
Trump became President, and now looks set to spend a long time in prison.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2023/10/24/trump-campaign-trail-comments-nn-vpx.cnn
Trump compares himself to Nelson Mandela
Sort of a mirror image.
Mandela was in prison for a long time, then became President.
Trump became President, and now looks set to spend a long time in prison.
I bet Trump is kicking himself now that it just didn’t occur to him to say: “I congratulate Joe Biden on his victory, and I look forward to running again in 2024”… or words to that effect.
Would have saved so much angst.
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2023/10/24/trump-campaign-trail-comments-nn-vpx.cnn
Trump compares himself to Nelson Mandela
Sort of a mirror image.
Mandela was in prison for a long time, then became President.
Trump became President, and now looks set to spend a long time in prison.
I bet Trump is kicking himself now that it just didn’t occur to him to say: “I congratulate Joe Biden on his victory, and I look forward to running again in 2024”… or words to that effect.
Would have saved so much angst.
if ifs and ands were pots and pans there’d be no work for tinkers.
old jungle saying.
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2023/10/24/trump-campaign-trail-comments-nn-vpx.cnn
Trump compares himself to Nelson Mandela
Sort of a mirror image.
Mandela was in prison for a long time, then became President.
Trump became President, and now looks set to spend a long time in prison.
I bet Trump is kicking himself now that it just didn’t occur to him to say: “I congratulate Joe Biden on his victory, and I look forward to running again in 2024”… or words to that effect.
Would have saved so much angst.
Of course he’d also have to remember not to steal nuclear secrets and hand them out to random people at his resort and he’d still be on the hook for campaign finance fraud, let alone a nine-digit fraud case in New York. .
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2023/10/24/trump-campaign-trail-comments-nn-vpx.cnn
Trump compares himself to Nelson Mandela
Sort of a mirror image.
Mandela was in prison for a long time, then became President.
Trump became President, and now looks set to spend a long time in prison.
I bet Trump is kicking himself now that it just didn’t occur to him to say: “I congratulate Joe Biden on his victory, and I look forward to running again in 2024”… or words to that effect.
Would have saved so much angst.
But that would have required Trump to think ahead, and to repress for a moment his monumental ego, neither of which he demonstrates any capacity to do.
dv said:
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:Sort of a mirror image.
Mandela was in prison for a long time, then became President.
Trump became President, and now looks set to spend a long time in prison.
I bet Trump is kicking himself now that it just didn’t occur to him to say: “I congratulate Joe Biden on his victory, and I look forward to running again in 2024”… or words to that effect.
Would have saved so much angst.
Of course he’d also have to remember not to steal nuclear secrets and hand them out to random people at his resort and he’d still be on the hook for campaign finance fraud, let alone a nine-digit fraud case in New York. .
touche.
I’ve lost count too.
There goes Jenna Ellis.
dv said:
fsm said:
Trump Denies Sidney Powell Was Ever His Lawyer…
Meanwhile back in 2020…
https://www.forbes.com/sites/mollybohannon/2023/10/22/trump-denies-sidney-powell-was-ever-his-lawyer-after-she-takes-plea-deal/?sh=6d3bbb7f5295
You have to think that Ellis is going to be next to flip
fucking called it
kii said:
There goes Jenna Ellis.
Crying Christian Jenna Ellis blames other lawyers.
Nice explainer on Wikipedia
dv said:
Nice explainer on Wikipedia
Neat. I’ll print it out and stick it to the wall next to the TV. Oh, wait…my printer is fucked.
https://youtu.be/YfisOF5XJdg?si=XrWAl1peKbTORaTT
Trump calls Orban “one of the strongest leaders”, “leader of Turkey”.
dv said:
https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2023/10/24/trump-campaign-trail-comments-nn-vpx.cnn
Trump compares himself to Nelson Mandela
Only because Mandela spent time in the clink.
dv said:
https://youtu.be/YfisOF5XJdg?si=XrWAl1peKbTORaTTTrump calls Orban “one of the strongest leaders”, “leader of Turkey”.
Hungary, Turkey, what’s the difference?
(I had to look up Orban)
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
https://youtu.be/YfisOF5XJdg?si=XrWAl1peKbTORaTTTrump calls Orban “one of the strongest leaders”, “leader of Turkey”.
Hungary, Turkey, what’s the difference?
(I had to look up Orban)
Isn’t it Türkiye?
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
https://youtu.be/YfisOF5XJdg?si=XrWAl1peKbTORaTT
Trump calls Orban “one of the strongest leaders”, “leader of Turkey”.
Hungary, Turkey, what’s the difference?
(I had to look up Orban)
Isn’t it Türkiye?
Exactly, Germany, Austria, Same Thing¡
Wait…
So I ask, where will YOU be on the 23th?
Spiny Norman said:
So I ask, where will YOU be on the 23th?
‘..to speak in Derry…’
They’re using ‘speak’ in a very liberal fashion there.
Ramble on about how everyone is out to get him, how everyone in the nation is ‘crooked’ (except him), blather on about ‘witch hunts’, squawk about how the Presidency was ‘stolen’ from him, foam at the mouth about ‘saving America’, absent-mindedly tell lies which contradict lies that he told earlier, make fog-brained mistakes about the world, its leader and its situation, any of these or a large number of other descriptions would be applicable…well, i suppose it involves ‘speaking’, although it’d have a lot more in common with those pull-the-string-to-make-it-talk dolls.
Spiny Norman said:
So I ask, where will YOU be on the 23th?
Have you seen the videos from that show? I swear he’s lining up a comedy act for his sunset years.
kii said:
Spiny Norman said:
So I ask, where will YOU be on the 23th?
Have you seen the videos from that show? I swear he’s lining up a comedy act for his sunset years.
I thought i’d have a look at it, and bugger me!, the video goes for nearly two hours!
I’d be actively suicidal after two hours of DJT. Is there a high(low?)lights video anywhere?
kii said:
Spiny Norman said:
So I ask, where will YOU be on the 23th?
Have you seen the videos from that show? I swear he’s lining up a comedy act for his sunset years.
Not yet, but I’ll take your word for it.
I just can’t wait to see how he goes in prison. He’s likely to die there as well.
Spiny Norman said:
kii said:
Spiny Norman said:
So I ask, where will YOU be on the 23th?
Have you seen the videos from that show? I swear he’s lining up a comedy act for his sunset years.
Not yet, but I’ll take your word for it.
I just can’t wait to see how he goes in prison. He’s likely to die there as well.
One can only hope.
Spiny Norman said:
kii said:
Spiny Norman said:
So I ask, where will YOU be on the 23th?
Have you seen the videos from that show? I swear he’s lining up a comedy act for his sunset years.
Not yet, but I’ll take your word for it.
I just can’t wait to see how he goes in prison. He’s likely to die there as well.
Nah, they won’t put him in prison. Bone spurs, and all that.
They’ll plead for leniency based on his age and health (which, astonishingly, will suddenly be found to be in less than the robust Presidency-capable condition that he currently claims), and ‘his service to the nation’, and ask for a suspended sentence, or for some form of ‘home’ detention at the worst.
Mark Meadows has flipped.
captain_spalding said:
Spiny Norman said:
kii said:Have you seen the videos from that show? I swear he’s lining up a comedy act for his sunset years.
Not yet, but I’ll take your word for it.
I just can’t wait to see how he goes in prison. He’s likely to die there as well.
Nah, they won’t put him in prison. Bone spurs, and all that.
They’ll plead for leniency based on his age and health (which, astonishingly, will suddenly be found to be in less than the robust Presidency-capable condition that he currently claims), and ‘his service to the nation’, and ask for a suspended sentence, or for some form of ‘home’ detention at the worst.
Similar thoughts here. I also think that he’ll get home detention for the rest of his un-natural life. But that could be a bit more difficult as it’s quite likely that most of his properties are going to be taken from him and sold off so something would have to be arranged.
And I have no doubts that he’ll find numerous ways of screwing that up and so getting himself in deeper trouble. So it’s win-win really.
kii said:
Mark Meadows has flipped.
Is he another one of those people who never worked for Trump, and who Trump has barely even heard of?
If he wasn’t, i bet he is now.
captain_spalding said:
kii said:
Mark Meadows has flipped.
Is he another one of those people who never worked for Trump, and who Trump has barely even heard of?
If he wasn’t, i bet he is now.
Chief of Staff.
kii said:
Mark Meadows has flipped.
That’s got to be a good thing, right?
kii said:
captain_spalding said:
kii said:
Mark Meadows has flipped.
Is he another one of those people who never worked for Trump, and who Trump has barely even heard of?
If he wasn’t, i bet he is now.
Chief of Staff.
Apparently (and hopefully) Trump’s last Chief of Staff.
Michael V said:
kii said:
Mark Meadows has flipped.
That’s got to be a good thing, right?
Yep.
Plus the latest nomination for the speaker of the house has dropped out of the race.
Spiny Norman said:
kii said:
Spiny Norman said:
So I ask, where will YOU be on the 23th?
Have you seen the videos from that show? I swear he’s lining up a comedy act for his sunset years.
Not yet, but I’ll take your word for it.
I just can’t wait to see how he goes in prison. He’s likely to die there as well.
he does go to prison it (1) will be a min security hand-holding facility and (2) it won’t be for the rest of his life; It wouldn’t actually surprise me if he was given some form of home detention.
kii said:
captain_spalding said:
kii said:
Mark Meadows has flipped.
Is he another one of those people who never worked for Trump, and who Trump has barely even heard of?
If he wasn’t, i bet he is now.
Chief of Staff.
Yeah, i know, i was being clever and sarcasmical.
kii said:
Michael V said:
kii said:
Mark Meadows has flipped.
That’s got to be a good thing, right?
Yep.
Plus the latest nomination for the speaker of the house has dropped out of the race.
He was not supported by Trump-the-Powerful.
Spiny Norman said:
So I ask, where will YOU be on the 23th?
If found where the ordinal went:
captain_spalding said:
kii said:
captain_spalding said:Is he another one of those people who never worked for Trump, and who Trump has barely even heard of?
If he wasn’t, i bet he is now.
Chief of Staff.
Yeah, i know, i was being clever and sarcasmical.
Oh, okay, lololol 😆 🤣
Michael V said:
kii said:
Michael V said:That’s got to be a good thing, right?
Yep.
Plus the latest nomination for the speaker of the house has dropped out of the race.
He was not supported by Trump-the-Powerful.
Yep. Plus he voted to accept the 2020 election results.
kii said:
Mark Meadows has flipped.
But no conviction. He secured immunity. 8-0
I hope it was for something good.
kii said:
captain_spalding said:
kii said:Chief of Staff.
Yeah, i know, i was being clever and sarcasmical.
Oh, okay, lololol 😆 🤣
Thanks, i need the encouragement, i’m new to this stand-up thing.
dv said:
kii said:
Mark Meadows has flipped.
But no conviction. He secured immunity. 8-0
I hope it was for something good.
I’m hoping he knows about the infamous pee pee tapes.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-25/sensationalism-media-blamed-for-queensland-youth-crime-panic/103014098
Dramatic news reports about Queensland’s “youth crime wave” are not backed by actual crime data, researchers have found.
University of Queensland researcher Renee Zahnow says social media is making residents feel their suburb is becoming less safe.
But monthly figures from the Queensland Police Service show that over the past 20 years, crime rates have decreased for nearly all categories.
Dr Zahnow said fears of young people on social media were amplified and legitimised by traditional media in a feedback loop.
She said this led to growing calls for harsher penalties for youth offenders, even though there was no evidence it would actually reduce the long-term crime rate.
“Sensationalist reporting may sell papers, but it’s not appropriate for bringing communities together,” Dr Zahnow said.
“Those young people who are chronic and severe offenders need considered and long-term support.
Wrong thread, soz
Tom Emmer was running to be the Republican designé for Speaker. They announced he won the ballot but then when it wa clear he wouldn’t have enough support in the House he dropped out.
So they all went back in and renegotiated and designated Mike Johnson. He’s an ultra conservative former talkback radio host who played a minor part in the attempted coup by refusing to vote to certify the election results.
I expect he’ll either drop out or will also fail in the House Vote, which will occur today (or late this evening Aust time).
I kind of get the impression that they are trying to square the circle or rearrange the beans on the plate hoping it will come out as a new number.
dv said:
Tom Emmer was running to be the Republican designé for Speaker. They announced he won the ballot but then when it wa clear he wouldn’t have enough support in the House he dropped out.
So they all went back in and renegotiated and designated Mike Johnson. He’s an ultra conservative former talkback radio host who played a minor part in the attempted coup by refusing to vote to certify the election results.
I expect he’ll either drop out or will also fail in the House Vote, which will occur today (or late this evening Aust time).
I kind of get the impression that they are trying to square the circle or rearrange the beans on the plate hoping it will come out as a new number.
So basically what they need to sort this shit is some kind of more pressing conflict something closer to home that will inspire some unity governance and resolve the endless dissipative work going on at the moment.
So many to oblige¡
Trump Showing Signs of Dementia/ News October 24, 2023.
By David Feldman.
Spiny Norman said:
Trump Showing Signs of Dementia/ News October 24, 2023.
By David Feldman.
well yeah
dv said:
Spiny Norman said:
Trump Showing Signs of Dementia/ News October 24, 2023.
By David Feldman.well yeah
Must be harder to detect in someone who’s ordinarily demented.
With Glorious And Groundbreaking Insight, Political Players Note That Political Players Are Not Completely Trustworthy ¡
Joe Biden has used an official visit from Anthony Albanese to caution against putting too much trust in China,
Virginia Foxx seems like a nice grandmotherly woman.
DJT received another fine, $10000, for violating his order not to threaten or disparage court staff. Not sure whether the plan is to keep doubling it.
dv said:
DJT received another fine, $10000, for violating his order not to threaten or disparage court staff. Not sure whether the plan is to keep doubling it.
All these tiny smacks when the fellow deserves the guillotine.
dv said:
DJT received another fine, $10000, for violating his order not to threaten or disparage court staff. Not sure whether the plan is to keep doubling it.
piddling fine for someone who says he has money and crowd funds his shitty behaviour.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
DJT received another fine, $10000, for violating his order not to threaten or disparage court staff. Not sure whether the plan is to keep doubling it.
All these tiny smacks when the fellow deserves the guillotine.
(….rhetorical comment, I don’t actually believe in the death penalty)
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
DJT received another fine, $10000, for violating his order not to threaten or disparage court staff. Not sure whether the plan is to keep doubling it.
All these tiny smacks when the fellow deserves the guillotine.
(….rhetorical comment, I don’t actually believe in the death penalty)
Oh we thought you were just referring to having his documents trimmed to size.
After receiving the $10000 fine, the Trump team applied for a directed verdict, and the request was denied. He stormed out of the court and gave a quick statement.
“The witness just admitted that we won the trial and the judge should end the trial immediately.”
I’m not sure why he bothers with this kind of thing. I guess there are some in his base that are so far gone that they think that’s how trials work.
How Good Is Individuals Against Infringement ¡
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-26/active-shooter-in-maine-us-lewiston/103025928
SCIENCE said:
How Good Is Individuals Against Infringement ¡
You might find this useful:
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captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:How Good Is Individuals Against Infringement ¡
You might find this useful:
https://www.busuu.com/en/course/learn-english-online
:)
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:
How Good Is Individuals Against Infringement ¡
You might find this useful:
You mean we’re as good as Shakespeare¡
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:
How Good Is Individuals Against Infringement ¡
You might find this useful:
You mean we’re as good as Shakespeare¡
No, but i think that you show real potential to one day become fluent enough to pass for a ‘native’ speaker of the language.
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:captain_spalding said:
You might find this useful:
You mean we’re as good as Shakespeare¡
No, but i think that you show real potential to one day become fluent enough to pass for a ‘native’ speaker of the language.
I believe that he was postulating that he could make up words like Shakespeare did.
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:You mean we’re as good as Shakespeare¡
No, but i think that you show real potential to one day become fluent enough to pass for a ‘native’ speaker of the language.
I believe that he was postulating that he could make up words like Shakespeare did.
Ah, well, in that case, i do agree. The inventiveness is remarkable, and i’m sure that Shakespeare’s contemporary audiences had similar feelings of incomprehension. Only time will tell if we’ve been seeing the arrival of a new literary hero for the ages.
Just watched video of an old white woman saying she wants to die if trump loses in 2024. Only gets her news from Telegram.
Le sigh.
kii said:
Just watched video of an old white woman saying she wants to die if trump loses in 2024. Only gets her news from Telegram.Le sigh.
Judging by recent headlines, there’s a number of people in the US who’d be willing to help her with that.
captain_spalding said:
kii said:
Just watched video of an old white woman saying she wants to die if trump loses in 2024. Only gets her news from Telegram.Le sigh.
Judging by recent headlines, there’s a number of people in the US who’d be willing to help her with that.
True.
Strange country.
kii said:
Fun fact: Iran and Saudi Arabia have better legal protection of abortion than Arkansas, Idaho, Mississippi, Oklahoma, South Dakota,Texas in that an abortion there if it is necessary to protect the woman’s health.
Robert Card’s social media ‘left clues’ about a potential attack: liked tweets about mass shootings
The perpetrator expressed extreme views on his Twitter account
Robert Card’s social media activity before the deadly shooting in Maine
Maine witnessed one of the most horrifying mass shootings in recent times on Wednesday night. At least 16 people are believed to have been killed after Robert Card mercilessly opened fire on innocent people in a bowling alley and grocery store. The shooter, who according to authorities “recently reported mental health issues to include hearing voices and threats to shoot up the National Guard Base in Saco, Maine”, remains at large and hundreds of police officers continue to hunt him.
Despite all of Card’s social media accounts being deactivated since the incident- it’s unclear whether it was the platforms themselves or the perpetrator that was responsible for doing so-, screenshots were taken before the content was made inaccessible.
In fact, a video which recorded Card’s X (formerly Twitter) shows his activity on the platform in the days and even hours before the horrifying incident took place.
As shown by the video, Card liked tweets from high-profile conservative figures such as Donald Trump Jnr., Tucker Carlson, Dinesh D’Souza. He also engaged with publications from former house speakers Kevin McCarthy and Jim Jordan, as per the video.
The most eye-catching tweet interaction of them all was one involving mass shooters published by Trump jr. “Given the incredible rise of trans/non-binary mass shooters in the last few years… by far the largest group committing as a percentage of population… maybe, rather than talking about guns we should be talking about lunatics pushing their gender affirming bullsh*t on our kids?” it read.
That wasn’t the only time his expressed views against the trans community. “The trans movement, it turns out, is the mirror image of Christianity, and therefore its natural enemy. People who believe they’re God can’t stand to be reminded that they’re not” read Tucker Carlson’s tweet from March this year which he also liked.
Via a tweet from Dinesh D’Souza, Card also expressed his support for gun use. “Ban assault weapons? Well, cars kill more people than guns do. But we blame the drivers. We don’t ban large or fast cars. We understand that cars, like guns, don’t act by themselves. The blame lies with the people who operate these mechanical devices. Common sense 101.”
Some users on social media have suggested that the views expressed on the platform may have been an indication that he may act, especially taking into account the fact authorities were aware he was mentally unstable.
https://www.marca.com/en/lifestyle/us-news/2023/10/26/653a5e98268e3e2a208b45c1.html
https://youtu.be/mIb5njx3rK0?si=9nKNZvkt7ktZNa3I
LegalEagles discusses Trump’s violations of gag orders
https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/us-economy-trump-bush-tax-cuts-deficit-rcna122322
When jobs are plentiful and business profits soar, that means good news for federal tax revenues. At least, that’s how it’s supposed to work.
For 15 years after the Tax Reform Act of 1986 went into effect, that’s exactly what happened: Changes in the U.S. unemployment rate were a strong predictor of changes in our federal tax revenues as a percent of the GDP; a drop in the unemployment rate caused revenues as a percent of GDP to increase. But since the beginning of the 21st century, a series of tax cuts under presidents George W. Bush and Donald Trump have shattered the link between tax revenues and employment. Revenues as a percent of GDP dropped significantly, and now they no longer grow much when the economy strengthens.
After news that the federal deficit grew despite a strong economy, amid rising interest rates, there are renewed fears about the nation’s fiscal outlook. With these fears typically come calls to reduce spending. But the U.S. doesn’t have a spending problem; it has a revenue problem caused by tax cuts.
Between 1995 and 2000, the unemployment rate fell from 5.6% to 4.0%, and revenues rose from 17.9% to 20.0% of GDP — the equivalent of taking in an additional $600 billion per year after adjusting for the size of the economy. When the unemployment rate fell a similar amount between 2015 and 2019, going from 5.4% to 3.7%, revenues dropped from 17.9% of GDP to 16.3% — the equivalent of taking in $450 billion less per year after adjusting for the size of the economy.
Why did this happen? Because during that same time, the Bush tax cuts, their bipartisan extensions, and later the Trump tax cuts slashed taxes, significantly lowering overall revenue. Importantly, a disproportionate share of the benefits from these cuts accrued to very rich Americans, profitable corporations and wealthy heirs.
This newfound pattern of low revenues even in times of high employment has persisted up to the present day. In fiscal year 2023 — which just ended Sept. 30 — the unemployment rate averaged 3.6%, the lowest since 1969. However, because of these large tax cuts, revenues were a paltry 16.5% of GDP.
These lower revenues have a profound impact on the finances of the nation. Prior to the tax cuts being enacted, the Congressional Budget Office projected long-term stability of the debt-to-GDP ratio. Yes, the CBO projected rising spending driven by Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security. But the agency also projected that revenues would be able to keep up indefinitely without any additional tax increases, due to real wage gains leading to higher revenues. Now, however, the CBO projects that debt is on track to rise as a percent of GDP indefinitely, with revenues now significantly lower and no longer projected to match primary (noninterest) program costs.
Two points explain this. The first involves a concept called the fiscal gap, which measures how much primary deficit reduction is required to stabilize the debt-to-GDP ratio. The 30-year fiscal gap is smaller than the size of the Bush tax cuts, their extensions and the Trump tax cuts under current law over the next 30 years. Therefore, mathematically and unequivocally, without those tax cuts, the debt ratio would be declining, not rising.
Second, even though the debt ratio is rising, spending can’t be blamed. The CBO’s 2012 long-term budget outlook was the last time debt was projected to decline indefinitely — because that projection was made before the Bush tax cuts were largely permanently extended. And relative to the CBO’s 2012 projection, current projections of program costs are down, not up. In short, if you were trying to explain how we got from the CBO’s 2012 projection of a declining debt ratio to its current projections of a rising debt ratio, changes in spending have lowered the future debt path, but revenues have declined significantly more than spending. Changes in revenues are therefore entirely responsible for going from a declining debt ratio to an ever-growing debt ratio.
The first step in effecting change is proper diagnosis. Those who look to blame spending to close the primary deficit are looking in the wrong place. If not for the regressive tax cuts initiated under presidents Bush and Trump, we would have been looking at a stable debt-to-GDP ratio. Any discussion of how to change our fiscal path should focus first on generating additional revenue lost to these tax cuts.
ABC News:
This ought to be worth a guinea a minute.
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:
This ought to be worth a guinea a minute.
Do you think he will be able to follow his lawyers’ instructions?
buffy said:
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:
This ought to be worth a guinea a minute.
Do you think he will be able to follow his lawyers’ instructions?
I’m wondering if they’ll all be able to keep the agreed story straight in their heads, and not contradict each other.
As for Trump himself: he’ll either pull it off in a masterful fashion, or totally destroy the defence case singlehanded. It just depends on his mental state on the day.
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:
This ought to be worth a guinea a minute.
Do you think he will be able to follow his lawyers’ instructions?
I’m wondering if they’ll all be able to keep the agreed story straight in their heads, and not contradict each other.
As for Trump himself: he’ll either pull it off in a masterful fashion, or totally destroy the defence case singlehanded. It just depends on his mental state on the day.
I think he is going downhill fast, in terms of going senile.
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:Do you think he will be able to follow his lawyers’ instructions?
I’m wondering if they’ll all be able to keep the agreed story straight in their heads, and not contradict each other.
As for Trump himself: he’ll either pull it off in a masterful fashion, or totally destroy the defence case singlehanded. It just depends on his mental state on the day.
I think he is going downhill fast, in terms of going senile.
I reckon he’s driven himself nuts, constantly repeating to himself his beliefs that he’s the victim of conspiracies and corruption, and that he was robbed of the Presidency, and that he’s done nothing wrong and all this investigation into his business practices is a ‘witch hunt’ (aren’t they two of the most worn-out words of the last decade?).
He;s been spouting that stuff, and living in the cloud of his paranoia for so long that he can’t tell any more whether it’s true or not, but it’s the only thing he has to cling to.
Mike Pence has withdrawn from the presidential race.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Mike Pence has withdrawn from the presidential race.
He should become a TV church preacher, I think he would be good at fooling the believers.
;)
Tau.Neutrino said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Mike Pence has withdrawn from the presidential race.
He should become a TV church preacher, I think he would be good at fooling the believers.
;)
Kind of sad that I had to regard him as the last voice of sanity in the Rep presidential race
dv said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Mike Pence has withdrawn from the presidential race.
He should become a TV church preacher, I think he would be good at fooling the believers.
;)
Kind of sad that I had to regard him as the last voice of sanity in the Rep presidential race
I concur.
Tau.Neutrino said:
dv said:
Tau.Neutrino said:He should become a TV church preacher, I think he would be good at fooling the believers.
;)
Kind of sad that I had to regard him as the last voice of sanity in the Rep presidential race
I concur.
Nikki Haley isn’t too bad. Certainly more centrist than Pence on some important issues.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
dv said:Kind of sad that I had to regard him as the last voice of sanity in the Rep presidential race
I concur.
Nikki Haley isn’t too bad. Certainly more centrist than Pence on some important issues.
The real fun is going to start when Trump gets banned from running office in some states.My understanding is that it is up to the states to issue the ballot papers and run the election. Some states will refuse to include his name on the list, whether it be the primaries or the election itself. There’s a half dozen or so case in the courts right now that will be adjudicated soon. It is going to be a confusing picture as to who the legiimate Rep candidate is.
party_pants said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Tau.Neutrino said:I concur.
Nikki Haley isn’t too bad. Certainly more centrist than Pence on some important issues.
The real fun is going to start when Trump gets banned from running office in some states.My understanding is that it is up to the states to issue the ballot papers and run the election. Some states will refuse to include his name on the list, whether it be the primaries or the election itself. There’s a half dozen or so case in the courts right now that will be adjudicated soon. It is going to be a confusing picture as to who the legiimate Rep candidate is.
For those who don’t understand it, there’s a good quick explanation of the selection of Presidential candidates here:
https://ia802907.us.archive.org/5/items/DPTTU/205%20The%20US%20Electoral%20System.mp3
It’s part of the radio series ‘David Baddiel Tries to Understand…’
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Nikki Haley isn’t too bad. Certainly more centrist than Pence on some important issues.
The real fun is going to start when Trump gets banned from running office in some states.My understanding is that it is up to the states to issue the ballot papers and run the election. Some states will refuse to include his name on the list, whether it be the primaries or the election itself. There’s a half dozen or so case in the courts right now that will be adjudicated soon. It is going to be a confusing picture as to who the legiimate Rep candidate is.
For those who don’t understand it, there’s a good quick explanation of the selection of Presidential candidates here:
https://ia802907.us.archive.org/5/items/DPTTU/205%20The%20US%20Electoral%20System.mp3
It’s part of the radio series ‘David Baddiel Tries to Understand…’
Be careful what you wish for
Hard core war monger
wookiemeister said:
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:The real fun is going to start when Trump gets banned from running office in some states.My understanding is that it is up to the states to issue the ballot papers and run the election. Some states will refuse to include his name on the list, whether it be the primaries or the election itself. There’s a half dozen or so case in the courts right now that will be adjudicated soon. It is going to be a confusing picture as to who the legiimate Rep candidate is.
For those who don’t understand it, there’s a good quick explanation of the selection of Presidential candidates here:
https://ia802907.us.archive.org/5/items/DPTTU/205%20The%20US%20Electoral%20System.mp3
It’s part of the radio series ‘David Baddiel Tries to Understand…’
https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/nikki-haley-israel-finish-hamas-b2426796.htmlBe careful what you wish for
Hard core war monger
I prefer armed rebellion in Israel to at home in the US of A.
Witty Rejoinder said:
wookiemeister said:
captain_spalding said:For those who don’t understand it, there’s a good quick explanation of the selection of Presidential candidates here:
https://ia802907.us.archive.org/5/items/DPTTU/205%20The%20US%20Electoral%20System.mp3
It’s part of the radio series ‘David Baddiel Tries to Understand…’
https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/nikki-haley-israel-finish-hamas-b2426796.htmlBe careful what you wish for
Hard core war monger
I prefer armed rebellion in Israel to at home in the US of A.
If those demonstrating in Israel had been at the kibbutz or the music festival they would have been killed regardless
Its the same brainless chant we see across the western world from ANTIFA, BLM, hope not hate, ADL.
From an electoral perspective, those captured, tortured, killed by hamas are left wing – I don’t think the israeli gov cares about them. Hamas released 2 old ladies recently who told us what gentlemen HAMAS are , how they made sure they were tended to by one person 24/7 , so caring , right ?
Listening to Mary Trump speaking with Ruth Ben-Ghiat about current issues. Ben-Ghiat mentioned the gun culture of the US is a path to authoritarianism.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/10/26/gun-violence-authoritarianism-normalization/
Some truly crazy and dangerous stuff from trump rallies.
https://youtu.be/Y22ld4aBDHk?si=EP-O1N-cC58rLf_a
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/29/politics/trump-gag-order-reinstated/index.html
Judge reinstates gag order on Trump in federal election subversion case
Resident Aliens: we will find you and deport you.
Trump threatening people like me if we protest Israel’s war on Palestinians.
Resident Aliens have the same rights as citizens, under the US Constitution.
kii said:
Jen Psaki and religious wackos aka the two Mikes.
This is a pretty good look at Mike Johnson, the new speaker of the house. For 2 decades he worked for a group, The Alliance Defending Freedom, that was deemed a hate group by the SPLC.
Good grief 😔
kii said:
Addled trump attacks America.Good grief 😔
Hahaha…I made it to the end and he finally mentioned the pee pee!
NPR news update on the recent mass murder in Maine: lots of concern about the guy’s mental health leading up to the shootings. Hearing voices, paranoia that people thought he was a pedophile and he expressed a desire to shoot people at the army reservist base. He was hospitalised at one point, law enforcement notified etc. Apparently he was able to buy more guns during this period of extreme instability.
Maine has yellow flag laws.
You’re All Happy And Laughing Now But Just Wait Until The Broken Ribs Lawsuit
Polish student and basketball player Szymon Koszyca started the chest compressions while Mr Downie sought a teacher’s help. Both young men said they were surprised “only a handful” of their teammates had CPR and first-aid training. “In Poland, every kid at every school has lessons in CPR so I think it should be an international thing”, Mr Koszyca said.
We mean fuck it, horses for courses right, nobody ain’t gonna protect their liberties and freedoms with CPR now are they, every school in the USA appropriately has lessons in gun lockdown, and the important thing is to get gun training so you can defend Good Guys from the nanny state, it’s nanny states that teach shit like public healthcare and resuscitation skills, wouldn’t want any of that
“I brought him back after about one and a half rounds of chest compressions and mouth-to-mouth. That was a massive relief,” he said.
homoerotic shit in our proud cuntry, no fucken way¡
In a reversal of a months-long stance, Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer said on Tuesday that he will bring a resolution to the Senate floor that, if passed, would overcome the military promotions block from Sen. Tommy Tuberville.
“Patience is wearing thin with Senator Tuberville on both sides of the aisle,” Schumer said in floor remarks Wednesday. “What happened with the Marine Commandant just showed many people how dangerous what Tuberville is doing is. And so I will call for a resolution on the floor to allow us to vote on all these people at once. And I’m very hopeful and optimistic about it.”
dv said:
In a reversal of a months-long stance, Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer said on Tuesday that he will bring a resolution to the Senate floor that, if passed, would overcome the military promotions block from Sen. Tommy Tuberville.“Patience is wearing thin with Senator Tuberville on both sides of the aisle,” Schumer said in floor remarks Wednesday. “What happened with the Marine Commandant just showed many people how dangerous what Tuberville is doing is. And so I will call for a resolution on the floor to allow us to vote on all these people at once. And I’m very hopeful and optimistic about it.”
The guy was hospitalized with a suspected heart attack.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/30/us/politics/marine-commandant-hospitalized.html
Governor deSantis followed up his Don’t Say Gay legislation with Don’t Say Period legislation, banning discussion of menstruation in schools with children 12 years and under.
How Florida’s “Don’t Say Period” Law is Affecting Kids – YouTube https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A69eBANQPwA
dv said:
Governor deSantis followed up his Don’t Say Gay legislation with Don’t Say Period legislation, banning discussion of menstruation in schools with children 12 years and under.
How Florida’s “Don’t Say Period” Law is Affecting Kids – YouTube https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A69eBANQPwA
It’s even more a special state than Texas
dv said:
Governor deSantis followed up his Don’t Say Gay legislation with Don’t Say Period legislation, banning discussion of menstruation in schools with children 12 years and under.
How Florida’s “Don’t Say Period” Law is Affecting Kids – YouTube https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A69eBANQPwA
Well, we don’t all start as a period. That woman’s sex ed has failed her.
kii said:
dv said:Governor deSantis followed up his Don’t Say Gay legislation with Don’t Say Period legislation, banning discussion of menstruation in schools with children 12 years and under.
How Florida’s “Don’t Say Period” Law is Affecting Kids – YouTube https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A69eBANQPwA
Well, we don’t all start as a period. That woman’s sex ed has failed her.
All schools that comply with get a special menstruation hut for girls
Cymek said:
dv said:
Governor deSantis followed up his Don’t Say Gay legislation with Don’t Say Period legislation, banning discussion of menstruation in schools with children 12 years and under.
How Florida’s “Don’t Say Period” Law is Affecting Kids – YouTube https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A69eBANQPwA
It’s even more a special state than Texas
How do they talk about the physics of pendulums, do they call them dingdongtime or what¿
SCIENCE said:
Cymek said:
dv said:
Governor deSantis followed up his Don’t Say Gay legislation with Don’t Say Period legislation, banning discussion of menstruation in schools with children 12 years and under.
How Florida’s “Don’t Say Period” Law is Affecting Kids – YouTube https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A69eBANQPwA
It’s even more a special state than Texas
How do they talk about the physics of pendulums, do they call them dingdongtime or what¿
The world spins around while the record stays still.
SCIENCE said:
Cymek said:
dv said:
Governor deSantis followed up his Don’t Say Gay legislation with Don’t Say Period legislation, banning discussion of menstruation in schools with children 12 years and under.
How Florida’s “Don’t Say Period” Law is Affecting Kids – YouTube https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A69eBANQPwA
It’s even more a special state than Texas
How do they talk about the physics of pendulums, do they call them dingdongtime or what¿
Apart from the stupidity of it all, perhaps find out the youngest age a girl starts menstruation and use that
Plus what if not knowing what one is sends the girl into Carrie mode.
Cymek said:
SCIENCE said:
Cymek said:
It’s even more a special state than Texas
How do they talk about the physics of pendulums, do they call them dingdongtime or what¿
Apart from the stupidity of it all, perhaps find out the youngest age a girl starts menstruation and use that
Plus what if not knowing what one is sends the girl into Carrie mode.
Carrie Fisher¿
or
SCIENCE said:
Cymek said:
dv said:
Governor deSantis followed up his Don’t Say Gay legislation with Don’t Say Period legislation, banning discussion of menstruation in schools with children 12 years and under.
How Florida’s “Don’t Say Period” Law is Affecting Kids – YouTube https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A69eBANQPwA
It’s even more a special state than Texas
How do they talk about the physics of pendulums, do they call them dingdongtime or what¿
That’s mensuration
Cymek said:
SCIENCE said:Cymek said:
It’s even more a special state than Texas
How do they talk about the physics of pendulums, do they call them dingdongtime or what¿
Apart from the stupidity of it all, perhaps find out the youngest age a girl starts menstruation and use that
Plus what if not knowing what one is sends the girl into Carrie mode.
In the USA the range is 9 to 16 and I guess you want to undershoot so that people have a bit of time to prepare so let’s say 8.
dv said:
Cymek said:
SCIENCE said:How do they talk about the physics of pendulums, do they call them dingdongtime or what¿
Apart from the stupidity of it all, perhaps find out the youngest age a girl starts menstruation and use that
Plus what if not knowing what one is sends the girl into Carrie mode.
In the USA the range is 9 to 16 and I guess you want to undershoot so that people have a bit of time to prepare so let’s say 8.
Yes exactly
dv said:
SCIENCE said:Cymek said:
It’s even more a special state than Texas
How do they talk about the physics of pendulums, do they call them dingdongtime or what¿
That’s mensuration
Measurements, hey.
Many years ago I bought my father a mid 19th C book on mensuration.
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
Cymek said:
It’s even more a special state than Texas
How do they talk about the physics of pendulums, do they call them dingdongtime or what¿
That’s mensuration
Sure but even though we’d use meters for that apparently they still have a foot fetish over there.
In case it hasn’t been posted yet …
Former US State Dept. official resigned over Israel-Hamas conflict.
If Trump Wins, His Allies Want Lawyers Who Will Bless a More Radical Agenda https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/01/us/politics/trump-2025-lawyers.html
Top Trump allies, including Russell Vought, seated in the middle, have come to view the Republican Party’s legal elites — even leaders with impeccable conservative credentials — as out of step.
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This is a conflict between traditional conservatism, and Unitary Executive Theory that favours placing all executive power in one person.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federalist_Society
Is this fake news or real news?
Mike Johnson quits
roughbarked said:
Is this fake news or real news?
Mike Johnson quits
No reports of it elsewhere.
Given that the Youtube video is dated ‘one day ago’, it ought to have shown up elsewhere by now.
roughbarked said:
Is this fake news or real news?
Mike Johnson quits
I’m darn certain I would never use youtube as a primary news source.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
Is this fake news or real news?
Mike Johnson quits
No reports of it elsewhere.
Given that the Youtube video is dated ‘one day ago’, it ought to have shown up elsewhere by now.
That was what I was thinking, yeah.
roughbarked said:
Is this fake news or real news?
Mike Johnson quits
If it’s true, the Bingbot hasn’t heard about it yet.
Michael V said:
roughbarked said:
Is this fake news or real news?
Mike Johnson quits
I’m darn certain I would never use youtube as a primary news source.
:)
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:
roughbarked said:
Is this fake news or real news?
Mike Johnson quits
I’m darn certain I would never use youtube as a primary news source.
:)
Although it’s possibly more reliable than Murdoch media.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:I’m darn certain I would never use youtube as a primary news source.
:)
Although it’s possibly more reliable than Murdoch media.
The existence of Murdoch media is reliable in providing fake news.
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said::)
Although it’s possibly more reliable than Murdoch media.
The existence of Murdoch media is reliable in providing fake news.
There’s always a chance that a Murdoch media report might be accurate.
Just like there’s a chance that there’s a big chink of opal lying outside my back door.
Umm…let me rephrase that….
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:Although it’s possibly more reliable than Murdoch media.
The existence of Murdoch media is reliable in providing fake news.
There’s always a chance that a Murdoch media report might be accurate.
Just like there’s a chance that there’s a big chink of opal lying outside my back door.
Umm…let me rephrase that….
Chunk, that is.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:Although it’s possibly more reliable than Murdoch media.
The existence of Murdoch media is reliable in providing fake news.
There’s always a chance that a Murdoch media report might be accurate.
Just like there’s a chance that there’s a big chink of opal lying outside my back door.
Umm…let me rephrase that….
:)
captain_spalding said:
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:The existence of Murdoch media is reliable in providing fake news.
There’s always a chance that a Murdoch media report might be accurate.
Just like there’s a chance that there’s a big chink of opal lying outside my back door.
Umm…let me rephrase that….
Chunk, that is.
I measured the available face and it is currently roughly 10×11mm. This will unavoidably come down a little even if I just polish the face without attempting to waste good opal by shaping it into the conventional round, oval, square, teardrop or more likely I’ll freeform it to save as much gppd opal as I can.
Kind of nuts that, in a civil case where the only thing on the line ought to be money, DJT is risking prison through repeated contempt of court and DJTJ and Errk are risking prison through perjury.
dv said:
Kind of nuts that, in a civil case where the only thing on the line ought to be money, DJT is risking prison through repeated contempt of court and DJTJ and Errk are risking prison through perjury.
They have been above the law in their own eyes, all their lives. Why would they change now?
dv said:
Kind of nuts that, in a civil case where the only thing on the line ought to be money, DJT is risking prison through repeated contempt of court and DJTJ and Errk are risking prison through perjury.
It’s almost like he has no regard for the consequence of his actions
“risking”
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
Kind of nuts that, in a civil case where the only thing on the line ought to be money, DJT is risking prison through repeated contempt of court and DJTJ and Errk are risking prison through perjury.
It’s almost like he has no regard for the consequence of his actions
Was was that book he wrote?
Agree¡
https://www.forbes.com/sites/mollybohannon/2023/07/13/how-can-just-one-senator-like-tuberville-or-sanders-hold-up-a-nomination-process-because-of-this-senate-rule/?sh=3a72d6957ff5
In case you’re wondering how it is that one senator can hold up nearly hundreds of military appointments.
dv said:
Kind of nuts that, in a civil case where the only thing on the line ought to be money, DJT is risking prison through repeated contempt of court and DJTJ and Errk are risking prison through perjury.
They also seem ready to throw Alan Weisselberg, who already served time in jail because he wouldn’t flip on Trump, under the bus.
dv said:
dv said:
Kind of nuts that, in a civil case where the only thing on the line ought to be money, DJT is risking prison through repeated contempt of court and DJTJ and Errk are risking prison through perjury.
They also seem ready to throw Alan Weisselberg, who already served time in jail because he wouldn’t flip on Trump, under the bus.
The amusing this is that by signing financial statements, directors of companies are declaring fiduciary responsibility for what those statements say. The notion that “I was relying on my accountant to tell me the truth” carries no weight at all. What is less funny is that a lot of people will hear this and think, “yeah he’s right, how could he have known, he’s not an accountant”…
dv said:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/mollybohannon/2023/07/13/how-can-just-one-senator-like-tuberville-or-sanders-hold-up-a-nomination-process-because-of-this-senate-rule/?sh=3a72d6957ff5In case you’re wondering how it is that one senator can hold up nearly hundreds of military appointments.
Because it’s America, and the system is designed so that, if you study well, work hard, give 100% to your employer (and do the right favours for the right people, and coerce/blackmail/bribe the others), you, too can rise to be that one stupendous arsehole who everyone hates.
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
dv said:
Kind of nuts that, in a civil case where the only thing on the line ought to be money, DJT is risking prison through repeated contempt of court and DJTJ and Errk are risking prison through perjury.
They also seem ready to throw Alan Weisselberg, who already served time in jail because he wouldn’t flip on Trump, under the bus.
The amusing this is that by signing financial statements, directors of companies are declaring fiduciary responsibility for what those statements say. The notion that “I was relying on my accountant to tell me the truth” carries no weight at all. What is less funny is that a lot of people will hear this and think, “yeah he’s right, how could he have known, he’s not an accountant”…
Yes, the ‘just following orders’ thing flopped at Nuremberg, and hasn’t had much cred since then.
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
dv said:
Kind of nuts that, in a civil case where the only thing on the line ought to be money, DJT is risking prison through repeated contempt of court and DJTJ and Errk are risking prison through perjury.
They also seem ready to throw Alan Weisselberg, who already served time in jail because he wouldn’t flip on Trump, under the bus.
The amusing this is that by signing financial statements, directors of companies are declaring fiduciary responsibility for what those statements say. The notion that “I was relying on my accountant to tell me the truth” carries no weight at all. What is less funny is that a lot of people will hear this and think, “yeah he’s right, how could he have known, he’s not an accountant”…
Quite.
On the contrary, the accountants are largely relying on information provided by the Trump family, which in some cases was flatly erroneous.
Also … Junior has a Business degree from Wharton. Eric has a Finance Degree from Georgetown. They ain’t tapdancers or hairdressers. They should have some kind of idea.
dv said:
diddly-squat said:
dv said:They also seem ready to throw Alan Weisselberg, who already served time in jail because he wouldn’t flip on Trump, under the bus.
The amusing this is that by signing financial statements, directors of companies are declaring fiduciary responsibility for what those statements say. The notion that “I was relying on my accountant to tell me the truth” carries no weight at all. What is less funny is that a lot of people will hear this and think, “yeah he’s right, how could he have known, he’s not an accountant”…
Quite.
On the contrary, the accountants are largely relying on information provided by the Trump family, which in some cases was flatly erroneous.
Also … Junior has a Business degree from Wharton. Eric has a Finance Degree from Georgetown. They ain’t tapdancers or hairdressers. They should have some kind of idea.
I did a geophysical signal processing course at uni
dv said:
diddly-squat said:
dv said:They also seem ready to throw Alan Weisselberg, who already served time in jail because he wouldn’t flip on Trump, under the bus.
The amusing this is that by signing financial statements, directors of companies are declaring fiduciary responsibility for what those statements say. The notion that “I was relying on my accountant to tell me the truth” carries no weight at all. What is less funny is that a lot of people will hear this and think, “yeah he’s right, how could he have known, he’s not an accountant”…
Quite.
On the contrary, the accountants are largely relying on information provided by the Trump family, which in some cases was flatly erroneous.
Also … Junior has a Business degree from Wharton. Eric has a Finance Degree from Georgetown. They ain’t tapdancers or hairdressers. They should have some kind of idea.
their idea is the no fucking type.
dv said:
diddly-squat said:
dv said:They also seem ready to throw Alan Weisselberg, who already served time in jail because he wouldn’t flip on Trump, under the bus.
The amusing this is that by signing financial statements, directors of companies are declaring fiduciary responsibility for what those statements say. The notion that “I was relying on my accountant to tell me the truth” carries no weight at all. What is less funny is that a lot of people will hear this and think, “yeah he’s right, how could he have known, he’s not an accountant”…
Quite.
On the contrary, the accountants are largely relying on information provided by the Trump family, which in some cases was flatly erroneous.
Also … Junior has a Business degree from Wharton. Eric has a Finance Degree from Georgetown. They ain’t tapdancers or hairdressers. They should have some kind of idea.
Surely you can buy a business degree.
captain_spalding said:
Yes, the ‘just following orders’ thing flopped at Nuremberg, and hasn’t had much cred since then.
Much as I’d like to agree with you, cs, it’s not true. The 26 soldiers who committed the My Lai massacre used it successfully at their court martial; their commander (a lieutenant) was convicted and confined to barracks for three and a half years. The Nuremberg courts’ claim that the German soldiers had a higher duty to mankind by rejecting any order that was obviously a crime against humanity was tested in a British court martial in the early 20th century when a medical officer (I can’t find his name and actual rank) refused orders to go to Iraq, claiming that the war there was illegal under international law. That court determined that he had no right to refuse the order.
If the “superior orders” thing (rejection or acceptance) were to applied consistently, I’d accept/respect it, but it’s not.
Boris said:
dv said:
diddly-squat said:The amusing this is that by signing financial statements, directors of companies are declaring fiduciary responsibility for what those statements say. The notion that “I was relying on my accountant to tell me the truth” carries no weight at all. What is less funny is that a lot of people will hear this and think, “yeah he’s right, how could he have known, he’s not an accountant”…
Quite.
On the contrary, the accountants are largely relying on information provided by the Trump family, which in some cases was flatly erroneous.
Also … Junior has a Business degree from Wharton. Eric has a Finance Degree from Georgetown. They ain’t tapdancers or hairdressers. They should have some kind of idea.
their idea is the no fucking type.
Slightly amusing to see that, now they can’t invoke the Fifth, their answers are all “I can’t recall”….holy Alexander Downer.
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
diddly-squat said:The amusing this is that by signing financial statements, directors of companies are declaring fiduciary responsibility for what those statements say. The notion that “I was relying on my accountant to tell me the truth” carries no weight at all. What is less funny is that a lot of people will hear this and think, “yeah he’s right, how could he have known, he’s not an accountant”…
Quite.
On the contrary, the accountants are largely relying on information provided by the Trump family, which in some cases was flatly erroneous.
Also … Junior has a Business degree from Wharton. Eric has a Finance Degree from Georgetown. They ain’t tapdancers or hairdressers. They should have some kind of idea.
I did a geophysical signal processing course at uni
I trained as an optometrist. But when I had my Managing Director hat on, I read every bit of those financial statements before I signed them. And on a few occasions I found errors and sent them back to the accountant before I signed. I know mine was a micro business in comparison, but the responsibilities of a director are the same.
btm said:
captain_spalding said:
Yes, the ‘just following orders’ thing flopped at Nuremberg, and hasn’t had much cred since then.
Much as I’d like to agree with you, cs, it’s not true. The 26 soldiers who committed the My Lai massacre used it successfully at their court martial; their commander (a lieutenant) was convicted and confined to barracks for three and a half years. The Nuremberg courts’ claim that the German soldiers had a higher duty to mankind by rejecting any order that was obviously a crime against humanity was tested in a British court martial in the early 20th century when a medical officer (I can’t find his name and actual rank) refused orders to go to Iraq, claiming that the war there was illegal under international law. That court determined that he had no right to refuse the order.
If the “superior orders” thing (rejection or acceptance) were to applied consistently, I’d accept/respect it, but it’s not.
Oh but it is, it’s consistently applied according to who wins the conflict and writes the history¡
Under new speaker Michael Johnson, Congressional Republicans have passed a bill that ties aid for Israel to the elimination of Biden’s tax evasion investigation program.
This bill has no chance of passing the Senate as it will not be supported by moderate Republicans or Democrats, so it is basically just a time wasting measure.
The New York judge overseeing the $250 million civil fraud case against Donald Trump and his company expanded his gag order to include Trump’s lawyers. Nicolle Wallace calls it “an angry crescendo” to Trump’s team insinuating bias on the part of the judge’s clerk.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWkgvLCdd4M
sarahs mum said:
The New York judge overseeing the $250 million civil fraud case against Donald Trump and his company expanded his gag order to include Trump’s lawyers. Nicolle Wallace calls it “an angry crescendo” to Trump’s team insinuating bias on the part of the judge’s clerk.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWkgvLCdd4M
I don’t think $10000 fines are going to get the message across
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
The New York judge overseeing the $250 million civil fraud case against Donald Trump and his company expanded his gag order to include Trump’s lawyers. Nicolle Wallace calls it “an angry crescendo” to Trump’s team insinuating bias on the part of the judge’s clerk.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWkgvLCdd4M
I don’t think $10000 fines are going to get the message across
Especially when he uses his legal troubles as the basis of fund-raising. Amazingly there are still people out there who give him their money.
party_pants said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
The New York judge overseeing the $250 million civil fraud case against Donald Trump and his company expanded his gag order to include Trump’s lawyers. Nicolle Wallace calls it “an angry crescendo” to Trump’s team insinuating bias on the part of the judge’s clerk.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWkgvLCdd4M
I don’t think $10000 fines are going to get the message across
Especially when he uses his legal troubles as the basis of fund-raising. Amazingly there are still people out there who give him their money.
He is their RETRIBUTION or something…
Witty Rejoinder said:
party_pants said:
dv said:I don’t think $10000 fines are going to get the message across
Especially when he uses his legal troubles as the basis of fund-raising. Amazingly there are still people out there who give him their money.
He is their RETRIBUTION or something…
Many of them seems to have lost faith in the US political system and want some form of radical change. Even a dictatorship suits them. So fed up with where they are they will get on the first bus heading out of town, even if it to some place worse.
party_pants said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
party_pants said:Especially when he uses his legal troubles as the basis of fund-raising. Amazingly there are still people out there who give him their money.
He is their RETRIBUTION or something…
Many of them seems to have lost faith in the US political system and want some form of radical change. Even a dictatorship suits them. So fed up with where they are they will get on the first bus heading out of town, even if it to some place worse.
Some of them think that he is the key to the end of days. And they might have something in that.
sarahs mum said:
party_pants said:
Witty Rejoinder said:He is their RETRIBUTION or something…
Many of them seems to have lost faith in the US political system and want some form of radical change. Even a dictatorship suits them. So fed up with where they are they will get on the first bus heading out of town, even if it to some place worse.
Some of them think that he is the key to the end of days. And they might have something in that.
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:
party_pants said:Many of them seems to have lost faith in the US political system and want some form of radical change. Even a dictatorship suits them. So fed up with where they are they will get on the first bus heading out of town, even if it to some place worse.
Some of them think that he is the key to the end of days. And they might have something in that.
o
Yes. I din’t believe in any of that shit. The book f Revelations is clearly a failure. It is relevant to the specific time and culture it was written in, and none of it came to pass. I don’t believe in the Bible generally, but the book of Revelations should not be part it. It has lead so many Christians astray from their own core doctrines.
I hadn’t quite realised till this week how much prepperism is underscored by apocalyptic Christianity and Mormonism.
Federico Klein has been sentenced to nearly 6 years in prison for his assaults on officers during the Jan 6 insurrection. It is the longest sentence applied to a member of the Trump Administration in relation to Jan 6.
Prosecutors said Klein’s participation in the riot was likely motivated by a desire to keep his job as a presidential appointee.
“As an employee of the federal government, Klein was endowed with the trust of the American people and to uphold the law. He violated that trust on January 6 when he attacked the very country for which he was paid to work,” prosecutors wrote.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jan-6-trump-state-dept-official-federico-klein-sentenced-6-years-prison/
dv said:
Federico Klein has been sentenced to nearly 6 years in prison for his assaults on officers during the Jan 6 insurrection. It is the longest sentence applied to a member of the Trump Administration in relation to Jan 6.Prosecutors said Klein’s participation in the riot was likely motivated by a desire to keep his job as a presidential appointee.
“As an employee of the federal government, Klein was endowed with the trust of the American people and to uphold the law. He violated that trust on January 6 when he attacked the very country for which he was paid to work,” prosecutors wrote.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jan-6-trump-state-dept-official-federico-klein-sentenced-6-years-prison/
Lowlife drinking High Life.
AussieDJ said:
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Americans have a lot of the left on the right…ous
https://www.sportsbet.com.au/betting/politics/us-politics/us-presidential-election-2024-5479667
19 shillings said:
AussieDJ said:
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Americans have a lot of the left on the right…ous
https://www.sportsbet.com.au/betting/politics/us-politics/us-presidential-election-2024-5479667
“Americans have a lot of the left on the right…ous”
I don’t understand
dv said:
19 shillings said:
AussieDJ said:
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Americans have a lot of the left on the right…ous
https://www.sportsbet.com.au/betting/politics/us-politics/us-presidential-election-2024-5479667
“Americans have a lot of the left on the right…ous”
I don’t understand
Sigh,
Trump has votes from the left religious nutter rightious groups
19 shillings said:
dv said:
19 shillings said:-___
Americans have a lot of the left on the right…ous
https://www.sportsbet.com.au/betting/politics/us-politics/us-presidential-election-2024-5479667
“Americans have a lot of the left on the right…ous”
I don’t understand
Sigh,
Trump has votes from the left religious nutter rightious groups
Still confusing.
dv said:
19 shillings said:
dv said:“Americans have a lot of the left on the right…ous”
I don’t understand
Sigh,
Trump has votes from the left religious nutter rightious groups
Still confusing.
——-
Pfft
“Jamie Raskin, who voted against a resolution to expel George Santos because he thought it would be a “terrible precedent,” wrote some thoughts on Santos’ thank you letter to him.” from Brian Tyler Cohen’s fb page.
Trump and media want a televised trial in D.C. The Justice Dept. doesn’t.
The DOJ formally opposed a request to make the historic trial of a former president the first time federal courts allow TV cameras to broadcast or record a criminal trial
By Spencer S. Hsu and Tom Jackman
November 4, 2023 at 10:14 a.m. EDT
The Justice Department formally urged a federal judge Friday to reject calls by news organizations and by former president Donald Trump’s defense to allow live television coverage of his federal trial in March on charges of illegally conspiring to subvert the results of the 2020 election, joining a potentially historic legal battle over public access to the federal courts.
Last month, lawyers for a coalition of news organizations including The Washington Post and for the corporate parent of NBC News filed two petitions in Washington asking U.S. District Judge Tanya S. Chutkan to make an exception to the long-standing rule barring cameras from federal courtrooms for Trump’s case and to permit the televising, recording, or same-day release of video and audio recordings of his trial.
“Since the founding of our Nation, we have never had a criminal case where securing the public’s confidence will be more important than with United States v. Donald J. Trump,” attorneys for the 20-member news coalition wrote in an Oct. 5 application. They asserted that the trial of a former president and presumptive 2024 presidential nominee on charges of obstructing the most recent election “presents the strongest possible circumstances for continuous public oversight of the justice system.”
In a separate sworn statement supporting NBC’s request, Rebecca Blumenstein, the president of editorial for NBC News, urged the video recording of Trump’s proceedings for posterity, saying, “It would be a great loss if future generations of Americans were forever deprived of being able to access and view the events of this trial even years after the verdict, which would immeasurably improve the ability of future journalists and historians to retell accurately and meaningfully analyze this unique chapter of American history.”
Trump defense attorney John Lauro repeatedly called for the election subversion case to be televised before and after Trump’s indictment, adding in a Fox News interview, “and I would hope the Department of Justice would join in that effort so that we take the curtain away and all Americans get to see what’s happening.”
Ordered by Chutkan to respond by Friday, prosecutors with special counsel Jack Smith said that the court’s hands were tied, arguing that the media applicants’ proposal “is clearly foreclosed under Rule 53 of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure,” which prohibits “the broadcasting of judicial proceedings from the courtroom.”
Courts have long upheld the rule’s constitutionality, and the federal judiciary reaffirmed the policy in criminal cases as recently as September, assistant special counsels James I. Pearce and John M. Pellettieri wrote in an 18-page filing for the Justice Department, adding, “Whatever policy the Applicants believe supports their requested relief is not properly directed to the Court. … This Court should deny the Applications.”
Since the dawn of the television age, federal courts have prohibited cameras in the courtroom, wary of feeding what the Supreme Court called in a landmark 1966 decision a “carnival atmosphere” of publicity that could intimidate witnesses, sway jurors, prompt grandstanding by attorneys or judges or deprive criminal defendants of their due process rights. That fear was exacerbated nearly three decades ago by the nine-month televised criminal trial and acquittal of retired football star O.J. Simpson on state murder charges in California.
But leaps in technology, the recent coronavirus pandemic emergency and increasing experimentation by federal courts with live or recorded streaming of oral arguments have led some lawmakers and advocates to ask whether Trump’s case might mark a fresh tipping point in the debate, or at least provide the impetus for incremental changes such as the archiving of video or the prompt release of audio recordings.
“I have my skepticisms about whether these courtroom-camera efforts can prevail, but it is also unquestionably the case that the argument for cameras here is at its all-time strongest,” University of Utah law professor RonNell Andersen Jones wrote in an email, adding, “It is hard to imagine any case or any defendant in the whole history of our federal courts that is as central to the public interest as this one.”
Jones said traditional concerns about creating a “circus atmosphere” or causing problems for witnesses or defendants can be addressed by limiting access to one camera or releasing footage after court approval. “Audio streaming,” she said, “although it would rob the audience of the key visual cues and still give rise to misinformation-laden disputes about interpretation, would be another option that would at least give the general public more concrete information about what is happening.”
Trump has pleaded not guilty to an Aug. 1 indictment accusing him of a criminal conspiracy to remain in office, obstruct Congress’s lawful certification of Joe Biden’s victory and deprive Americans of their civil right to have their votes counted.
The case is one of four felony prosecutions launched this year against Trump. They include similar allegations by Georgia officials of trying to obstruct that state’s election results. He also has been federally indicted in Florida over his alleged retention and mishandling of classified documents and obstruction after leaving the White House, and is accused in New York state of business fraud and covering up a hush money payment made during the 2016 election campaign.
Trump’s federal cases both fall under the rule barring televised courtroom proceedings. New York state courts have a similar ban, although acting New York Supreme Court justice Juan M. Merchan permitted photographers to record still images before Trump’s arraignment in April, over Trump’s objections. By contrast, Trump’s Georgia court is expected to permit telecasting of his trial, and it streams all hearings on the court’s YouTube channel and permits a “pooled” news television camera in the courtroom.
The news media coalition pointed out that Trump’s Senate impeachment trial after the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol and hearings of the House select committee that investigated events surrounding the rioting were both nationally televised, drawing opening-day television audiences averaging more than 11 million and 20 million, respectively, not counting online viewers.
A legal team led by Charles D. Tobin, of the Ballard Spahr law firm, argued in a letter to the federal judiciary that with Trump himself campaigning for the presidency by claiming that his criminal prosecutions are “election interference” by prosecutors, allowing the public to see for itself would alleviate, not intensify, challenges to the legitimacy of the rule of law.
“If Americans do not have confidence that Mr. Trump is being treated fairly by the justice system, there is a very real chance they will reject the verdict (whatever it is) and that their faith in democracy and our institutions will be further diminished,” Tobin and attorney Leita Walker wrote. “Recent and painful events in our Nation’s Capital show that, taken to an extreme, this sort of doubt and cynicism can lead to violence.”
Trump and the news media are not alone in seeking to speed change in the federal judiciary. Dozens of Democratic lawmakers and a spokesperson for the Republican-led House Judiciary Committee have said they support cameras in court in the “limited but extraordinary circumstance” of Trump’s election obstruction case, and the full House has voted in the past for such changes.
A bipartisan group of senators also introduced legislation this year before Trump’s federal indictments to grant federal judges discretion to allow cameras while protecting the identities of witnesses and jurors.
“If the public is to fully accept the outcome, it will be vitally important for it to witness, as directly as possible, how the trials are conducted, the strength of the evidence adduced and the credibility of witnesses,” Rep. Adam B. Schiff (D-Calif.) wrote to the federal judiciary in August in regard to Trump’s case.
The pandemic did usher in revolutionary changes in federal and state courts, which were compelled to adopt live-streaming because of pandemic restrictions on indoor gatherings that affected jurors, attorneys, court staffers and the public. The Supreme Court began live-streaming audio of oral arguments, and all federal appellate courts, including the one in D.C., make audio of oral arguments available online.
Under since-expired federal pandemic emergency legislation, U.S. trial courts around the country also allowed federal criminal proceedings to take place by video or audio conferencing, with many allowing the public to access the proceedings by phone or online.
In a milestone proceeding, the televised state trial of former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin, who was found guilty of murder and manslaughter in the death of George Floyd, won praise from many past critics of the exclusionary practice. The Minnesota Supreme Court afterward granted all district courts in that state broad discretion to allow video coverage of most criminal trials.
“Even hardcore opponents … became converts,” Jane E. Kirtley, a professor of media ethics and law at the University of Minnesota, wrote in an email. Yet, Kirtley said, while it was her “sincere hope” that U.S. courts would go along at least with audio live-streaming, “I cannot be optimistic,” given the federal judiciary’s “implacable” and long-standing opposition.
“Judges don’t like to give up control, and they see cameras in the court as the camel’s nose under the tent,” she said.
The federal district court in Washington, no stranger to high-profile cases, for nearly two decades has offered live closed-circuit transmission of video taken from the courthouse’s own cameras to nearby overflow rooms used by the public and media to permit electronic note-taking and live written and online reporting — but not recording or rebroadcast — showing that changes are possible. Still, advocates face an uphill fight.
On Oct. 26, a rulemaking panel of the national policymaking body for the federal courts denied the request by media coalition lawyers to exempt Trump’s case from Rule 53. An advisory panel to the Federal Judicial Conference found it has no authority to grant exceptions to clear-cut rules, as first reported by Politico.
But the panel agreed to create a subcommittee to consider a future rule change that would allow exceptions in extraordinary cases or at a judge’s discretion. Changing a rule under a process set by federal law generally takes three years and requires public comment and the approval of the panel, the full conference of federal judges, the U.S. Supreme Court and Congress.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2023/11/04/trump-trial-cameras-court-televise/?
kii said:
“Jamie Raskin, who voted against a resolution to expel George Santos because he thought it would be a “terrible precedent,” wrote some thoughts on Santos’ thank you letter to him.” from Brian Tyler Cohen’s fb page.
LOLOL
https://www.jefftiedrich.com/p/what-in-the-actual-fuck-how-does?fbclid=IwAR0M_G078Y67Nk19lTHRlQPZ_oLlc-3mTRCik4xVFvY3fBHsEPC5ZbMWdTw
everyone is entitled to my own opinion
what in the actual fuck? how does Mike Johnson not have a bank account
there’s a lot about Holy Mike that just doesn’t add up
Jeff Tiedrich
Nov 5, 2023
dweebish little factotum Holy Mike Johnson became House Speaker because he was standing in the right place — the corner of What About This Guy Street and Fine, Let’s Just Get It The Fuck Over With Avenue — at the right time.
nobody knew dick about the guy, except that he was some kind of god-mad religious fanatic.
but now the facts are starting to leak out and and holy shit, there’s a lot going on that makes no fucking sense at all.
first of all, how the fuck does Mike Johnson not have a bank account?
The Daily Beast reports that in financial disclosures dating back to 2016, the year he joined Congress, Johnson never reported having a savings or checking account in his name, his spouse’s name, or in the name of any of his children. In his latest filing, which covers last year, he doesn’t list a single asset either. Which, given that he made more than $200,000 last year—in addition to his wife’s salary—is more than a little odd.think about that. Mike gets paid. what does he do with the check? does he go to a check-cashing place in one of DC’s skeevier neighborhoods?
seriously? a United States Representative? I don’t think so. how is Johnson paying his mortgage, in cash? please.
Holy Mike isn’t talking, so reporters are left to speculate.
Of course, it’s unlikely Johnson doesn’t actually have a bank account. What’s more likely is Johnson lives paycheck to paycheck—so much so that he doesn’t have enough money in his bank account to trigger the checking account disclosure rules for members of Congress. House Ethics Committee filing guidelines state that members must disclose bank accounts they have at every financial institution, as long as the account holds at least $1,000 and the combined value of all accounts—including those belonging to their spouse and dependent children—exceeds $5,000.except that explanation makes no sense, either.
It’s certainly not uncommon for Americans to have less than $5,000 in their bank account. Most Americans—57 percent—couldn’t handle an unexpected $1,000 expense, according to a report earlier this year. And the median amount that Americans keep in their bank account is $5,300. But Johnson’s household income puts him in the top 12 percent of earners in the United States. And it’s extraordinarily rare for members of Congress to not list a qualifying bank account—let alone zero assets whatsoever.let’s do some basic math. the base salary of a US Rep is $174,000 a year, and reps get paid once a month.
twelve times a year, Mike get a check for roughly $14,500, minus taxes — let’s say that his take-home pay is $8,000/month. again, what does he do with that check? if he puts it in the bank, his balance instantly exceeds the disclosure minimum.
so why isn’t Mike disclosing a bank account? where is the money going?
“It’s strange to see Speaker Johnson disclose no assets,” Libowitz told The Daily Beast. “He made over $200,000 last year, and his wife took home salary from two employers as well, so why isn’t there a bank account or any form of savings listed?”what the fuck is going on here?
now let’s talk about Mike Johnson’s famous black son. here’s the story in a nutshell:
By the time he was 27 years old, Mike Johnson had not only tied the knot with his bride Kelly—a particularly tight knot called a “covenant marriage.” He had also become a new Dad to a 14-year-old Black “son.” How did that happen, you ask? It was quite simple, actually. He just “took custody.” What??? That’s how they do things in Louisiana, I guess.just like the bank story, holy shit, none of this makes sense.
27-year-old Mike adopted a 14-year-old boy, but he didn’t really adopt-adopt him, he “took custody.”
which, legally, is not a thing.
ok fine, let’s go with Mike’s story, he quote-unquote adopted this teenager, took him in, raised him, and … then what?
No African-American son shows up in any of the family photographs on Johnson’s House website or on his personal Facebook page. Nor does Michael figure anywhere in any of Johnson’s campaign biographies. As I went further down this rabbit hole tonight I was a bit dumbfounded. Is Michael made up? Is he excluded from family pictures?check out the Johnson family portrait. I don’t see a black son. do you see a black son?
just about the only time Holy Mike mentions is his “black son” is when he needs to use him as a Get Out Of Racism Free card.
A bit more poking around revealed that Michael also came up a year earlier in a House hearing on reparations in June 2019. Johnson opposed reparations and noted that his black son Michael did too.so what the in the actual fuck is the real story here?
now if the Johnsons were sponsoring Michael through some kind of religious or charitable organization, that’s actually very admirable, and more power to them — but that’s in no way equivalent to an ‘adoption.’
there is not one speck of evidence that the Johnsons actually raised this now-40-year-old person.
so, again, what the fuck?
there’s so much about Mike’s life that he doesn’t want us to know.
Then I learned that Johnson’s wife runs a Christian “counseling” service that equates homosexuality with bestiality and pedophilia, and that she has been busy scrubbing traces of this and of her podcast with her husband from the internet. And I thought, “Good luck with that.” Oh wow, then there’s the fact that Johnson was named dean of a law school that never opened, whose namesake Judge Paul Pressler was (surprise, surprise) sued over sexual abuse by multiple men, and whose president was credibly accused of misappropriating funds. Huh.sorry Mike, but all this was going to come out sooner than later.
are you really sure that putting yourself under the harsh glare of the House Speakership was the right move for a guy as sketchy as you seem to be?
but that’s how it always goes with these flim flam fucksticks, they never quit while they’re ahead.
look at George Santos. he could have continued to fleece old ladies and swindle homeless veterans from here to breakfast. he could have kept changing his name and moving from state to state and country to country and chances were good that the authorities would have never caught up with him. but he had to run for one of the most highly-visible jobs in the world — US Representative — and now he’s facing 23 criminal counts and looking at serious prison time.
and what about that quadrice-indicted twice-impeached popular-vote-losing adderall-huffing insurrection-leading judge-threatening lawyer-ignoring witness-tampering disabled-veteran-dishonoring inheritance-squandering language-mangling serial-sexual-predating draft-dodging casino-bankrupting butler-bullying daughter-perving hush-money-paying real-estate-scamming bone-spur-faking ketchup-hurling justice-obstructing classified-war-plan-thieving golf-cheating weather-map-defacing horse-paste-promoting paper-towel-flinging tax-evading evidence-destroying charity-defrauding money-laundering bogus-university-running diaper-filling 91-count fluorescent tangerine fuckface down in Florida — if he’d only been content to keep on laundering Russian mob money and keep bribing the right prosecutors, right now he’d be happily cheating at golf without a care in the world.
but Little Donny Fuckface had to put himself under the world’s largest spotlight by running for president — all while continuing to crime up a storm — now, like Santos, he’s facing umpteen criminal counts and the real possibility of prison.
as a result, he’s spending his Sunday shitting his diaper in a panic over what the daughter he wants to quote-unquote “date” is going to be saying about him this week at the Big Trump Family Fraud Fuckery Trial.
https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4287766-14th-amendment-trump-colorado-disqualification-trial/
A small group of registered Republican voters is vying to remove Trump from the ballot in Colorado on the basis that his isurrection against the USA disqualifies him under the 14th amendment section 3.
The judge in the disqualification case has affirmed that the 14th amendment applies to presidents and so the case continues
dv said:
https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4287766-14th-amendment-trump-colorado-disqualification-trial/
A small group of registered Republican voters is vying to remove Trump from the ballot in Colorado on the basis that his isurrection against the USA disqualifies him under the 14th amendment section 3.The judge in the disqualification case has affirmed that the 14th amendment applies to presidents and so the case continues
It may just work.
LOLOLOL 🤣😆
kii said:
LOLOLOL 🤣😆
What a shit heel
Big Gay Al should have a Big Gal Al’s Unconversion Camp
Cymek said:
kii said:
LOLOLOL 🤣😆
What a shit heel
Big Gay Al should have a Big Gal Al’s Unconversion Camp
Also is there any component of choice in there or are homosexuals devoid of agency¿
SCIENCE said:
Cymek said:
kii said:
LOLOLOL 🤣😆
What a shit heel
Big Gay Al should have a Big Gal Al’s Unconversion Camp
Also is there any component of choice in there or are homosexuals devoid of agency¿
Perhaps its a guilt thing from parents or not a choice as if you don’t go you are kicked out of home
“With one year to go until the 2024 US presidential election, three new polls show President Joe Biden has a tough road ahead as he attempts to secure another four years in the White House.
Mr Biden is trailing Republican frontrunner and former president Donald Trump in five of the six most important battleground states, according to one of the polls — but the recent surveys also found both men are quite disliked.
A poll conducted by the New York Times and Siena College shows Americans have doubts about Mr Biden’s age — he turns 81 this November, while Mr Trump turned 77 in June — and are dissatisfied with the president’s handling of the US economy.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-06/joe-biden-donald-trump-new-polls-2024-us-election/103068460
Gosh!
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-05/donald-trump-claims-he-won-all-50-states-in-2020-election-in-flo/103067228
Michael V said:
Gosh!https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-05/donald-trump-claims-he-won-all-50-states-in-2020-election-in-flo/103067228
Next week he’ll claim he won 1000 states
dv said:
Michael V said:
Gosh!https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-05/donald-trump-claims-he-won-all-50-states-in-2020-election-in-flo/103067228
Next week he’ll claim he won 1000 states
Even Obama’s home state, Kenya.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Michael V said:
Gosh!https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-05/donald-trump-claims-he-won-all-50-states-in-2020-election-in-flo/103067228
Next week he’ll claim he won 1000 states
Even Obama’s home state, Kenya.
He had landslide in Kenya.
dv said:
Michael V said:
Gosh!https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-05/donald-trump-claims-he-won-all-50-states-in-2020-election-in-flo/103067228
Next week he’ll claim he won 1000 states
Anything’s possible in the book of Trump’s Tall Tales.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Michael V said:
Gosh!https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-05/donald-trump-claims-he-won-all-50-states-in-2020-election-in-flo/103067228
Next week he’ll claim he won 1000 states
Even Obama’s home state, Kenya.
LOL
Michael V said:
dv said:
Michael V said:
Gosh!https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-05/donald-trump-claims-he-won-all-50-states-in-2020-election-in-flo/103067228
Next week he’ll claim he won 1000 states
Anything’s possible in the book of Trump’s Tall Tales.
I remember how he made a clean sweep of all of the Australian states.
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:
dv said:Next week he’ll claim he won 1000 states
Anything’s possible in the book of Trump’s Tall Tales.
I remember how he made a clean sweep of all of the Australian states.
Editor’s note (6/11/23): This story has been updated to make clear that Donald Trump was referring to the Republican primaries ahead of the 2020 US election in comments he made about winning every state, rather than the election result itself. He does, however, continue to repeat his baseless claims that “the whole election is a lie”.
kii said:
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:Anything’s possible in the book of Trump’s Tall Tales.
I remember how he made a clean sweep of all of the Australian states.
Editor’s note (6/11/23): This story has been updated to make clear that Donald Trump was referring to the Republican primaries ahead of the 2020 US election in comments he made about winning every state, rather than the election result itself. He does, however, continue to repeat his baseless claims that “the whole election is a lie”.
Ta.
Even with the update, I’ll stand by my comment:
“Anything’s possible in the book of Trump’s Tall Tales.”
kii said:
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:Anything’s possible in the book of Trump’s Tall Tales.
I remember how he made a clean sweep of all of the Australian states.
Editor’s note (6/11/23): This story has been updated to make clear that Donald Trump was referring to the Republican primaries ahead of the 2020 US election in comments he made about winning every state, rather than the election result itself. He does, however, continue to repeat his baseless claims that “the whole election is a lie”.
Damn, I thought we had him for sure this time.
Peak Warming Man said:
kii said:
captain_spalding said:I remember how he made a clean sweep of all of the Australian states.
Editor’s note (6/11/23): This story has been updated to make clear that Donald Trump was referring to the Republican primaries ahead of the 2020 US election in comments he made about winning every state, rather than the election result itself. He does, however, continue to repeat his baseless claims that “the whole election is a lie”.
Damn, I thought we had him for sure this time.
Don’t worry, by this time next week, he’ll have convinced himself that he won the popular vote in all districts in all 50 states, and be spouting it.
kii said:
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:Anything’s possible in the book of Trump’s Tall Tales.
I remember how he made a clean sweep of all of the Australian states.
Editor’s note (6/11/23): This story has been updated to make clear that Donald Trump was referring to the Republican primaries ahead of the 2020 US election in comments he made about winning every state, rather than the election result itself. He does, however, continue to repeat his baseless claims that “the whole election is a lie”.
It’s basically automatic for a sitting president to sweep the ir party’s primaries. It’s not a noteworthy achievement.
I think the last exception was in 1996 when Clinton failed to win the North Dakota primary.
Can’t wait for Biden and kamala to do another 4 years.
Good on them I say, now the adults are in charge the borders and economy have never been stronger.
Russia has never been weaker, the Ukrainian army is pushing eastwards every day, the sanctions ARE working. Putin had a heart attack a week ago.
Once EVs take over in America the planet can finally be healed.
The court artist seems to like Bankman-Fried rather than his girlfriend
dv said:
The court artist seems to like Bankman-Fried rather than his girlfriend
they seem to be caricatures…
And the rambling in court has started and the judge didn’t like it
A sing of things to come in the criminal trials? And I see Ivanka is to be a witness next in this one.
New poll sees Biden doing well.
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Ahead of an expected meeting between U.S. President Joe Biden and China’s President Xi Jinping next week, a U.S. think tank says data it has collected from two dozen countries shows the American leader is winning the battle for public opinion.
The Pew Research Center says it surveyed 30,861 adults in 24 countries between Feb. 20 and May 22 about their attitudes to the world’s two largest economies and their leadership.
“People in 23 countries tend to see U.S. President Joe Biden more positively than Chinese President Xi Jinping,” it said in a report released on Monday. “A median of 54% have confidence in Biden to do the right thing regarding world affairs, compared with 19% who say the same of Xi.”
And it’s surveyed adults.
Peak Warming Man said:
New poll sees Biden doing well.WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Ahead of an expected meeting between U.S. President Joe Biden and China’s President Xi Jinping next week, a U.S. think tank says data it has collected from two dozen countries shows the American leader is winning the battle for public opinion.
The Pew Research Center says it surveyed 30,861 adults in 24 countries between Feb. 20 and May 22 about their attitudes to the world’s two largest economies and their leadership.
“People in 23 countries tend to see U.S. President Joe Biden more positively than Chinese President Xi Jinping,” it said in a report released on Monday. “A median of 54% have confidence in Biden to do the right thing regarding world affairs, compared with 19% who say the same of Xi.”And it’s surveyed adults.
Who???? I thought Xi Jinping was a bottle of sauce from Woolies.
I still don’t get why DJT gets such special treatment. No one else would be allowed to carry on in court like this.
dv said:
I still don’t get why DJT gets such special treatment. No one else would be allowed to carry on in court like this.
We got to stop him from becoming president again by fare or fowl means.
dv said:
I still don’t get why DJT gets such special treatment. No one else would be allowed to carry on in court like this.
He’s still selling the deal. The more noise he makes the more money he gets.
dv said:
I still don’t get why DJT gets such special treatment. No one else would be allowed to carry on in court like this.
what exactly do you mean?
from what I can see the judged really want to make this a you verses me thing and that’s way he’s been asking Trumps lawyers to control him… Also the judge has pretty limited ability to enforce anything.. in essence in this context a judge and warn a witness, they can strike testimony but there’s much else that they can really do to make a witness comply.
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
I still don’t get why DJT gets such special treatment. No one else would be allowed to carry on in court like this.
what exactly do you mean?
from what I can see the judged really want to make this a you verses me thing and that’s way he’s been asking Trumps lawyers to control him… Also the judge has pretty limited ability to enforce anything.. in essence in this context a judge and warn a witness, they can strike testimony but there’s much else that they can really do to make a witness comply.
let me try that again..
from what I can see the judge doesn’t really want to make this a “you verses me” thing and that’s way he’s been asking Trumps lawyers to control him… Also the judge has pretty limited ability to enforce anything.. in essence in this context a judge and warn a witness, they can strike testimony but there’s much else that they can really do to make a witness comply.
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
I still don’t get why DJT gets such special treatment. No one else would be allowed to carry on in court like this.
what exactly do you mean?
from what I can see the judged really want to make this a you verses me thing and that’s way he’s been asking Trumps lawyers to control him… Also the judge has pretty limited ability to enforce anything.. in essence in this context a judge and warn a witness, they can strike testimony but there’s much else that they can really do to make a witness comply.
Can you not be imprisoned for contempt of the court in the US?
diddly-squat said:
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
I still don’t get why DJT gets such special treatment. No one else would be allowed to carry on in court like this.
what exactly do you mean?
from what I can see the judged really want to make this a you verses me thing and that’s way he’s been asking Trumps lawyers to control him… Also the judge has pretty limited ability to enforce anything.. in essence in this context a judge and warn a witness, they can strike testimony but there’s much else that they can really do to make a witness comply.
let me try that again..
from what I can see the judge doesn’t really want to make this a “you verses me” thing and that’s way he’s been asking Trumps lawyers to control him… Also the judge has pretty limited ability to enforce anything.. in essence in this context a judge and warn a witness, they can strike testimony but there’s much else that they can really do to make a witness comply.
Would you like a third go, Mr Diddly?
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
I still don’t get why DJT gets such special treatment. No one else would be allowed to carry on in court like this.
We got to stop him from becoming president again by fare or fowl means.
Somehow I don’t think that Trump being allowed to act like a lunatic in court harms his reelection chances. His base loves that shit.
captain_spalding said:
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
I still don’t get why DJT gets such special treatment. No one else would be allowed to carry on in court like this.
what exactly do you mean?
from what I can see the judged really want to make this a you verses me thing and that’s way he’s been asking Trumps lawyers to control him… Also the judge has pretty limited ability to enforce anything.. in essence in this context a judge and warn a witness, they can strike testimony but there’s much else that they can really do to make a witness comply.
Can you not be imprisoned for contempt of the court in the US?
Maybe not in a civil case which this is.
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
I still don’t get why DJT gets such special treatment. No one else would be allowed to carry on in court like this.
what exactly do you mean?
from what I can see the judged really want to make this a you verses me thing and that’s way he’s been asking Trumps lawyers to control him… Also the judge has pretty limited ability to enforce anything.. in essence in this context a judge and warn a witness, they can strike testimony but there’s much else that they can really do to make a witness comply.
Repeated failure to follow judicial instruction normally results in a contempt of court charge and a brief stay in lock up.
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
I still don’t get why DJT gets such special treatment. No one else would be allowed to carry on in court like this.
We got to stop him from becoming president again by fare or fowl means.
Somehow I don’t think that Trump being allowed to act like a lunatic in court harms his reelection chances. His base loves that shit.
This appears to be the nub of the issue.
dv said:
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
I still don’t get why DJT gets such special treatment. No one else would be allowed to carry on in court like this.
what exactly do you mean?
from what I can see the judged really want to make this a you verses me thing and that’s way he’s been asking Trumps lawyers to control him… Also the judge has pretty limited ability to enforce anything.. in essence in this context a judge and warn a witness, they can strike testimony but there’s much else that they can really do to make a witness comply.
Repeated failure to follow judicial instruction normally results in a contempt of court charge and a brief stay in lock up.
Well you certaiinly don’t want to piss the judge off. It will never go well for you.
I had a bit of a look, and found this, under https://www.mccannfitzgerald.com/knowledge/disputes/contempt-of-court-what-is-it-and-what-are-the-consequences#:~:text=There%20are%20different%20ways%20in,or%20sequestration%20of%20their%20assets.:
‘Criminal Contempt and Civil Contempt
The first point of note is that there is a distinction between civil contempt and criminal contempt. This distinction was examined by the Supreme Court in the case of Keegan v De Burca.3 Civil contempt was described as usually arising “where there is a disobedience to an order of the Court by a party to the proceedings and in which the Court has generally no interest to interfere unless moved by the party for whose benefit the order was made.” As such, civil contempt must be raised by one of the parties to proceedings, indicating that the other has failed to comply with some order of the Court.
By way of contrast, criminal contempt is described as “behaviour calculated to prejudice the due course of justice” with examples being given of disorderly conduct in the Court room, publications aimed at prejudicing the due course of justice, or a refusal to abide by a writ of habeas corpus.
In Keegan the Supreme Court found that there are diverging objectives for that of criminal and civil contempt. Criminal contempt was seen to be punitive in nature whereas the primary motivation for civil contempt is coercion, by providing greater incentive for compliance with court orders.
The Court has a number of ways of dealing with a person who may be in contempt of court.
Attachment and Committal
Attachment is an order to have a named individual arrested and brought before the Court in order to answer the contempt, which has been alleged. Committal is an order to arrest an individual and commit them to prison. This can be used as a coercive tool, in order to encourage them to abide by the ruling, which they are in breach of, or in a punitive manner to express the Courts disapproval of some particular behaviour.
The Courts have been clear that there are limits to the use of imprisonment as a coercive measure. It has been held that, for example, where an order requires actions beyond the capacity of a defendant “imprisonment as a coercive means should not be resorted to. That is not to say that other measures may not be considered. Ultimately this becomes a matter for the trial judge.”4
In addition, where committal is unlikely to produce the desired result via coercion and where there is a reasonable alternative course open to the Court, the Court should pursue the alternative course rather than committal.5
It seems to me that Trump is committing criminal contempt, and that ‘committal’ (i.e. locking him up for contempt) is a real option, but the judge is unlikely to do that except as the very last resort.
Peak Warming Man said:
captain_spalding said:
diddly-squat said:what exactly do you mean?
from what I can see the judged really want to make this a you verses me thing and that’s way he’s been asking Trumps lawyers to control him… Also the judge has pretty limited ability to enforce anything.. in essence in this context a judge and warn a witness, they can strike testimony but there’s much else that they can really do to make a witness comply.
Can you not be imprisoned for contempt of the court in the US?
Maybe not in a civil case which this is.
What if he told the judge his mother was a hamster, and his father smelled of elderberries?
It’s election day in the USA.
While most states hold elections of even years, a small number of states hold them on odd years.
This year so far has been typified by vast overperformance in special elections by Democrats compared to polling.
https://abcnews.go.com/538/democrats-winning-big-special-elections/story?id=103315703
So it will be interesting to see how things go today.
There are governor’s elections in Kentucky and Mississippi.
Rhode Island 1st congressional district will have a special election following the death of an incumbent.
Mississippi, New Jersey, Virginia and Louisiana will all have legislative elections in both houses.
Ohio voters will vote on two ballot measures, one that would codify abortion rights in the state’s constitution, and another, which would legalize marijuana for recreational use.
We won’t expect to have results until late morning Wednesday, our time.
Donald Trump often says outlandish things, but he is not bluffing about his plans to jail his opponents and suppress—by force, if necessary—the rights of American citizens.
Donald Trump has been promising for two years to return to office and seize the machinery of government in order to exact revenge on his enemies. He’s not kidding: The Washington Post reported yesterday that Trump’s allies are planning to execute multiple assaults on democracy from the moment he takes office, including the possibility of deploying the United States armed forces on Inauguration Day to put down any demonstrations against Trump’s return to the White House.
“Critics,” the Post meekly added, “have called the ideas under consideration dangerous and unconstitutional,” as if these are ordinary policies that have “critics” rather than plans for a dictatorship that should appall every American. At the least, this is a much more important story right now than Trump’s general monkeyshines in court today in New York. (To her credit, the Post associate editor Ruth Marcus discussed the story in an op-ed today and said, “It is time to be very, very afraid.”)
In addition to gutting the right of Americans to engage in protests—a privilege Trump will apparently reserve only for his admirers—Trump and his aides are reportedly assembling a list of people to be investigated, prosecuted, and possibly jailed. His enemies list is large; according to the Post, it includes:
Trump also wants to go after President Joe Biden for “corruption,” which (like so many of Trump’s accusations) is pure projection. If Trump follows through on all of this lunacy, half the government will spend its days investigating the other half, while the military is put on alert in case too many Americans object to Trump’s destruction of their constitutional rights.
If you’re wondering how Trump plans to accomplish all of this, he likely has no idea. But his cronies at the Heritage Foundation (including former administration officials) do, and they are busily making plans. They’ve even written them down in something called Project 2025, a detailed blueprint for a right-wing takeover of the United States government. Trump, who seems to be losing his grip on reality more each day, might be devolving into a flaming piñata of offensive nonsense, but his enablers and the authors of Project 2025 know exactly what they’re doing.
I wrote about Project 2025 a few months ago, and I summarized it as “a lot of putative big-think from wannabe conservative intellectuals such as Ken Cuccinelli, Ben Carson, Stephen Moore, and Peter Navarro.” Most of it is silly, but it is also dangerous, especially in its clear intention to assist Trump in capturing both the federal justice system and the U.S. armed forces. (The chapter on the Defense Department was written by former Acting Secretary of Defense Christopher Miller, who wants to root out “Marxist indoctrination” in the U.S. military and purge the senior officer corps.)
Trump is, to put it mildly, an emotionally disordered man. But such men are usually only a hazard to their families and themselves, especially if they lack money or power. Trump has both, but even more important, he has people around him willing to use that money and power against American democracy. As the Post report reveals, these henchmen are now trying to turn Trump’s ravings into an autocratic program; without their aid, Trump would be just another motormouthed New York executive living on inherited money and holding court over a charred steak while the restaurant staff roll their eyes. With their support, however, he is an ongoing menace to the entire democratic order of the United States.
Trump has told his voters that he is their vengeance; in reality, he is mostly a vessel for people around him to satisfy their thirst for power and status. But Trump also relies on millions of voters who love his tough talk, and who likely would have no problem with the idea of jailing prominent Americans for their political views, especially after years of being schooled by the right-wing media to identify Trump’s enemies as their own.
But other American voters—even those who despise Trump—can’t seem to unite long enough to face the authoritarian danger taking shape right in front of them.
The coalition of prodemocracy voters—I am one of them—is shocked at the relative lack of outrage when Trump says hideous things. (The media’s complacency is a big part of this problem, but that’s a subject for another day.) For many of us, it feels as if Trump put up a billboard in Times Square that says “I will end democracy and I will in fact shoot you in the middle of Fifth Avenue if that’s what it takes to stay in power” and no one noticed.
Trump hasn’t taken out billboards, but at his rallies and press events he’s shouting it all as loud as he can, and the people around him are making plans to carry out his wishes. Meanwhile, millions of voters are folding their arms like shirty children and threatening to sit out the election because they don’t like their choices. Some are threatening to withhold support, in particular, for Joe Biden if they don’t get their way about student loans, climate change, or policy toward Israel. They are living in a booming economy that is outperforming any other developed nation since the start of the pandemic on many measures—and they are miserable and angry about it.
Many voters resent hearing all of this. They think they are being bullied into a binary choice between two candidates they do not like, and so they engage in wishcasting: If only someone could beat Trump for the GOP nomination (no one will); if only Biden would step down (he won’t); if only America didn’t rely on the Electoral College (it does); and so on. Trump and Biden are headed for a showdown unless illness or death intervenes. Even if Trump goes to prison, the Republican Party has become so fully corrupted that he could likely still run and get the nomination anyway. And the Electoral College isn’t going anywhere, either.
If American democracy falls in 2024, the chief culpability will rest with Trump, his aides, and the elected Republicans who enabled him (either out of fear or venality or both). But if Trump manages, one last time, to squeeze 271 electoral votes out of a distracted and sullen American electorate, much of the blame will also rest with voters who couldn’t be bothered to put aside their petty beefs and particularistic interests long enough to link arms at the ballot box and defend the American system of government.
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Mark my words: Trump will either, be in jail, be excluded from the ballot pursuant to the 14th, or he will be killed – before he could assume office.
party_pants said:
Mark my words: Trump will either, be in jail, be excluded from the ballot pursuant to the 14th, or he will be killed – before he could assume office.
Any of those events could provide a pretext for Republicans working in conjunction with the Heritage Foundation to impose the authoritarian state that they’re planning for.
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:
Mark my words: Trump will either, be in jail, be excluded from the ballot pursuant to the 14th, or he will be killed – before he could assume office.
Any of those events could provide a pretext for Republicans working in conjunction with the Heritage Foundation to impose the authoritarian state that they’re planning for.
They are nothing without Trump. There is no successor. Kill Trump and the movement collapses.
so… will trump be re-elected?
monkey skipper said:
so… will trump be re-elected?
There is that distinct and disturbing possibillity.
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:
Mark my words: Trump will either, be in jail, be excluded from the ballot pursuant to the 14th, or he will be killed – before he could assume office.
Any of those events could provide a pretext for Republicans working in conjunction with the Heritage Foundation to impose the authoritarian state that they’re planning for.
They were close to coup ready last time.
party_pants said:
Mark my words: Trump will either, be in jail, be excluded from the ballot pursuant to the 14th, or he will be killed – before he could assume office.
Man lives on KFC and ice cream, and believes exercise drains your batteries. There’s a significant chance he’ll be dead from natural causes by Nov 2024.
If he’s in jail he can still be elected president though.
monkey skipper said:
so… will trump be re-elected?
Lololol 😆 are you living under a rock?
kii said:
monkey skipper said:
so… will trump be re-elected?
Lololol 😆 are you living under a rock?
I mean it is certainly possible
dv said:
kii said:
monkey skipper said:
so… will trump be re-elected?
Lololol 😆 are you living under a rock?
I mean it is certainly possible
Exactly what I mean.
Supreme Court to decide if gun bans for domestic abusers are constitutional
Well, this was awful to listen to as I pottered around the kitchen making a coffee.
dv said:
It’s election day in the USA.While most states hold elections of even years, a small number of states hold them on odd years.
This year so far has been typified by vast overperformance in special elections by Democrats compared to polling.
https://abcnews.go.com/538/democrats-winning-big-special-elections/story?id=103315703
So it will be interesting to see how things go today.
There are governor’s elections in Kentucky and Mississippi.
Rhode Island 1st congressional district will have a special election following the death of an incumbent.
Mississippi, New Jersey, Virginia and Louisiana will all have legislative elections in both houses.
Ohio voters will vote on two ballot measures, one that would codify abortion rights in the state’s constitution, and another, which would legalize marijuana for recreational use.
We won’t expect to have results until late morning Wednesday, our time.
Ohio has voted to enshrined abortion rights in the state constitution, looks like the margin is going to be about 62 – 38.
Democrat governor of Kentucky Andy Beshear has won a second term in that office, defeated Republican challenger Daniel Cameron.
dv said:
dv said:
It’s election day in the USA.While most states hold elections of even years, a small number of states hold them on odd years.
This year so far has been typified by vast overperformance in special elections by Democrats compared to polling.
https://abcnews.go.com/538/democrats-winning-big-special-elections/story?id=103315703
So it will be interesting to see how things go today.
There are governor’s elections in Kentucky and Mississippi.
Rhode Island 1st congressional district will have a special election following the death of an incumbent.
Mississippi, New Jersey, Virginia and Louisiana will all have legislative elections in both houses.
Ohio voters will vote on two ballot measures, one that would codify abortion rights in the state’s constitution, and another, which would legalize marijuana for recreational use.
We won’t expect to have results until late morning Wednesday, our time.
Ohio has voted to enshrined abortion rights in the state constitution, looks like the margin is going to be about 62 – 38.
Democrat governor of Kentucky Andy Beshear has won a second term in that office, defeated Republican challenger Daniel Cameron.
Good. Just catching up now.
kii said:
dv said:
dv said:
It’s election day in the USA.While most states hold elections of even years, a small number of states hold them on odd years.
This year so far has been typified by vast overperformance in special elections by Democrats compared to polling.
https://abcnews.go.com/538/democrats-winning-big-special-elections/story?id=103315703
So it will be interesting to see how things go today.
There are governor’s elections in Kentucky and Mississippi.
Rhode Island 1st congressional district will have a special election following the death of an incumbent.
Mississippi, New Jersey, Virginia and Louisiana will all have legislative elections in both houses.
Ohio voters will vote on two ballot measures, one that would codify abortion rights in the state’s constitution, and another, which would legalize marijuana for recreational use.
We won’t expect to have results until late morning Wednesday, our time.
Ohio has voted to enshrined abortion rights in the state constitution, looks like the margin is going to be about 62 – 38.
Democrat governor of Kentucky Andy Beshear has won a second term in that office, defeated Republican challenger Daniel Cameron.
Good. Just catching up now.
Young voters in Ohio really showed up for reproductive rights.
kii said:
dv said:
dv said:
It’s election day in the USA.While most states hold elections of even years, a small number of states hold them on odd years.
This year so far has been typified by vast overperformance in special elections by Democrats compared to polling.
https://abcnews.go.com/538/democrats-winning-big-special-elections/story?id=103315703
So it will be interesting to see how things go today.
There are governor’s elections in Kentucky and Mississippi.
Rhode Island 1st congressional district will have a special election following the death of an incumbent.
Mississippi, New Jersey, Virginia and Louisiana will all have legislative elections in both houses.
Ohio voters will vote on two ballot measures, one that would codify abortion rights in the state’s constitution, and another, which would legalize marijuana for recreational use.
We won’t expect to have results until late morning Wednesday, our time.
Ohio has voted to enshrined abortion rights in the state constitution, looks like the margin is going to be about 62 – 38.
Democrat governor of Kentucky Andy Beshear has won a second term in that office, defeated Republican challenger Daniel Cameron.
Good. Just catching up now.
Ohio has also, narrowly, voted to legalise marijuana.
dv said:
kii said:
dv said:Ohio has voted to enshrined abortion rights in the state constitution, looks like the margin is going to be about 62 – 38.
Democrat governor of Kentucky Andy Beshear has won a second term in that office, defeated Republican challenger Daniel Cameron.
Good. Just catching up now.
Ohio has also, narrowly, voted to legalise marijuana.
Perhaps some sanity is returning. I wonder if the Planet America people will talk about this tonight or on Friday.
1st district Rhode Island special election has been won by Democratic candidate Gabe Amo, who formerly served as President Joe Biden’s deputy director of the White House Office of Intergovernmental Affairs.
buffy said:
dv said:
kii said:Good. Just catching up now.
Ohio has also, narrowly, voted to legalise marijuana.
Perhaps some sanity is returning. I wonder if the Planet America people will talk about this tonight or on Friday.
It’s all very stressful living with so much stupidity. How are your sister and her kids coping?
kii said:
buffy said:
dv said:Ohio has also, narrowly, voted to legalise marijuana.
Perhaps some sanity is returning. I wonder if the Planet America people will talk about this tonight or on Friday.
It’s all very stressful living with so much stupidity. How are your sister and her kids coping?
I don’t really know. They seem OK.
buffy: what temperature do you re-heat your fish and chips?
Michael V said:
buffy: what temperature do you re-heat your fish and chips?
I pretty much always have the oven on 200. For everything. We put the fish and chips on a cast iron pan (preheated in the oven) and just watch and wait until it all crisps up again. Doesn’t take long.
So once legal cannabis use becomes more widespread does that mean all the hawks will become doves¿
buffy said:
Michael V said:
buffy: what temperature do you re-heat your fish and chips?
I pretty much always have the oven on 200. For everything. We put the fish and chips on a cast iron pan (preheated in the oven) and just watch and wait until it all crisps up again. Doesn’t take long.
Thanks.
Apologies for the unintended thread hijack.
Democrats have won the Virginia state house of Representatives, meaning they now have full control of the legislature. Previously Dems had the Senate but Republicans had the House of Reps.
Democrats have retained their control of the New Jersey legislature with increased majorities.
So it’s all gone Democrats’ way today.
Probably the only othe race I’m following is Mississippi governor.
dv said:
kii said:
dv said:Ohio has voted to enshrined abortion rights in the state constitution, looks like the margin is going to be about 62 – 38.
Democrat governor of Kentucky Andy Beshear has won a second term in that office, defeated Republican challenger Daniel Cameron.
Good. Just catching up now.
Ohio has also, narrowly, voted to legalise marijuana.
Good. All caught up.
SCIENCE said:
So once legal cannabis use becomes more widespread does that mean all the hawks will become doves¿
No idea what you are on about.
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
So once legal cannabis use becomes more widespread does that mean all the hawks will become doves¿
No idea what you are on about.
You know how sharing a joint mellows the mood, man, everyone will want peace instead of war, man.
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
So once legal cannabis use becomes more widespread does that mean all the hawks will become doves¿
No idea what you are on about.
You know how sharing a joint mellows the mood, man, everyone will want peace instead of war, man.
Coordination will be impaired as well man, so can’t hit the targets
There’s been a swing towards Dems in the Mississippi governor’s race but it looks like the Republican candidate will still win by about 3%
dv said:
There’s been a swing towards Dems in the Mississippi governor’s race but it looks like the Republican candidate will still win by about 3%
A very slow climb back to normality.
Thanks to Trump, Murdoch Et al, dividing America.
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
So once legal cannabis use becomes more widespread does that mean all the hawks will become doves¿
No idea what you are on about.
You know how sharing a joint mellows the mood, man, everyone will want peace instead of war, man.
Well it wouldn’t be that way if they legalised ice.
Cymek said:
SCIENCE said:roughbarked said:
No idea what you are on about.
You know how sharing a joint mellows the mood, man, everyone will want peace instead of war, man.
Coordination will be impaired as well man, so can’t hit the targets
That’s only for spiders.
dv said:
There’s been a swing towards Dems in the Mississippi governor’s race but it looks like the Republican candidate will still win by about 3%
What are their abortion and cannabis laws like?
roughbarked said:
dv said:
There’s been a swing towards Dems in the Mississippi governor’s race but it looks like the Republican candidate will still win by about 3%
What are their abortion and cannabis laws like?
On abortion:
Among the worst in the world. Up to 10 years in prison for performing or attempting to perform an abortion. There are no exceptions made for fetal abnormality or the health of the mother. Even in Iran and Saudi you can get an abortion if there’s a risk to the mother’s health.
On cannabis:
Illegal but decriminalised for small amounts.
dv said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:
There’s been a swing towards Dems in the Mississippi governor’s race but it looks like the Republican candidate will still win by about 3%
What are their abortion and cannabis laws like?
On abortion:
Among the worst in the world. Up to 10 years in prison for performing or attempting to perform an abortion. There are no exceptions made for fetal abnormality or the health of the mother. Even in Iran and Saudi you can get an abortion if there’s a risk to the mother’s health.On cannabis:
Illegal but decriminalised for small amounts.
Thumbs down to Mississippi.
Westmoreland County, PA.
“Exonerated “Central Park Five” member Yusef Salaam won a seat Tuesday on the New York City Council, completing a stunning reversal of fortune decades after he was wrongly imprisoned in an infamous rape case.”
kii said:
Westmoreland County, PA.
So it wasn’t a true 75% Republican racist right wing county.
SCIENCE said:
kii said:
Westmoreland County, PA.
So it wasn’t a true 75% Republican racist right wing county.
Not after the election noted.
https://youtu.be/fHAA9tV8M28?si=oWzfkwqpVURKuZk9
Alex Jones can’t use bankruptcy to avoid his Sandy Hook damages payments
dv said:
https://youtu.be/fHAA9tV8M28?si=oWzfkwqpVURKuZk9Alex Jones can’t use bankruptcy to avoid his Sandy Hook damages payments
Great!
:)
Michael V said:
dv said:
https://youtu.be/fHAA9tV8M28?si=oWzfkwqpVURKuZk9Alex Jones can’t use bankruptcy to avoid his Sandy Hook damages payments
Great!
:)
+1.
US minimum wage in 1966 was worth twice was it is now, despite massive increases in real per capita productivity and GDP.
It’s currently at its lowest value since 1955.
dv said:
US minimum wage in 1966 was worth twice was it is now, despite massive increases in real per capita productivity and GDP.
It’s currently at its lowest value since 1955.
Good News ¡ Minimum Wages Nearly Quadruple Over 70 Years Of Progress ¡
From the Internet:
“If Trump, despite his criminality, is outpolling Biden by 10 points, why is that? Why would anyone vote for a criminal?”
Is Trump really outpolling Biden by 10 points?
The Rev Dodgson said:
From the Internet:
“If Trump, despite his criminality, is outpolling Biden by 10 points, why is that? Why would anyone vote for a criminal?”Is Trump really outpolling Biden by 10 points?
In the most recent major poll Trump is ahead 2%.
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
From the Internet:
“If Trump, despite his criminality, is outpolling Biden by 10 points, why is that? Why would anyone vote for a criminal?”Is Trump really outpolling Biden by 10 points?
In the most recent major poll Trump is ahead 2%.
Still, it’s baffling to the rational mind that more than about 3% of the population is even considering voting for Trump.
Although I wouldn’t want to get too far into poll denialism (something the Australian left got a severe case of with regard to the Referendum), there is reason to think that at least part of the polling for DJT is a “protest” against Biden and that when it is time to enter the booth, some people will resile. The reason I say this is that Democrats have kind of been outperforming the polling in various elections over the last couple of years.
dv said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
From the Internet:
“If Trump, despite his criminality, is outpolling Biden by 10 points, why is that? Why would anyone vote for a criminal?”Is Trump really outpolling Biden by 10 points?
In the most recent major poll Trump is ahead 2%.
Still, it’s baffling to the rational mind that more than about 3% of the population is even considering voting for Trump.
Although I wouldn’t want to get too far into poll denialism (something the Australian left got a severe case of with regard to the Referendum), there is reason to think that at least part of the polling for DJT is a “protest” against Biden and that when it is time to enter the booth, some people will resile. The reason I say this is that Democrats have kind of been outperforming the polling in various elections over the last couple of years.
Yeah, I was about to say it was still pretty mysterious.
I guess one thing is that we aren’t subject to all the anti-Biden crap that the US rightist media is no doubt full of.
The Rev Dodgson said:
I guess one thing is that we aren’t subject to all the anti-Biden crap that the US rightist media is no doubt full of.
Thank Goodness For Globalism ¡ Oh wait¿¡
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
dv said:In the most recent major poll Trump is ahead 2%.
Still, it’s baffling to the rational mind that more than about 3% of the population is even considering voting for Trump.
Although I wouldn’t want to get too far into poll denialism (something the Australian left got a severe case of with regard to the Referendum), there is reason to think that at least part of the polling for DJT is a “protest” against Biden and that when it is time to enter the booth, some people will resile. The reason I say this is that Democrats have kind of been outperforming the polling in various elections over the last couple of years.
Yeah, I was about to say it was still pretty mysterious.
I guess one thing is that we aren’t subject to all the anti-Biden crap that the US rightist media is no doubt full of.
We get all the anti Trump crap here, its not fair.
Peak Warming Man said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:Still, it’s baffling to the rational mind that more than about 3% of the population is even considering voting for Trump.
Although I wouldn’t want to get too far into poll denialism (something the Australian left got a severe case of with regard to the Referendum), there is reason to think that at least part of the polling for DJT is a “protest” against Biden and that when it is time to enter the booth, some people will resile. The reason I say this is that Democrats have kind of been outperforming the polling in various elections over the last couple of years.
Yeah, I was about to say it was still pretty mysterious.
I guess one thing is that we aren’t subject to all the anti-Biden crap that the US rightist media is no doubt full of.
We get all the anti Trump crap here, its not fair.
Well thank heavens we have you to act as the voice of reason to balance all this.
Peak Warming Man said:
We get all the anti Trump crap here, its not fair.
It’s pretty hard to avoid anti-Trump content.
Even if all the Australian media did was replay Trump’s public addresses without comment, it’s likely that most Australian would see it and think ‘that bloke’s a ratbag’. He’s his own worst advertisement.
captain_spalding said:
Peak Warming Man said:We get all the anti Trump crap here, its not fair.
It’s pretty hard to avoid anti-Trump content.
Even if all the Australian media did was replay Trump’s public addresses without comment, it’s likely that most Australian would see it and think ‘that bloke’s a ratbag’. He’s his own worst advertisement.
And yet…look at the mis/dis information around the referendum. I spoke to a lady yesterday who did duty as a Yes person outside a polling booth (not in this area) and one person quite seriously told her that he voted no because the UN wanted to take over the world…
buffy said:
captain_spalding said:
Peak Warming Man said:We get all the anti Trump crap here, its not fair.
It’s pretty hard to avoid anti-Trump content.
Even if all the Australian media did was replay Trump’s public addresses without comment, it’s likely that most Australian would see it and think ‘that bloke’s a ratbag’. He’s his own worst advertisement.
And yet…look at the mis/dis information around the referendum. I spoke to a lady yesterday who did duty as a Yes person outside a polling booth (not in this area) and one person quite seriously told her that he voted no because the UN wanted to take over the world…
Yep WORLD GUBMENT.
Peak Warming Man said:
buffy said:
captain_spalding said:It’s pretty hard to avoid anti-Trump content.
Even if all the Australian media did was replay Trump’s public addresses without comment, it’s likely that most Australian would see it and think ‘that bloke’s a ratbag’. He’s his own worst advertisement.
And yet…look at the mis/dis information around the referendum. I spoke to a lady yesterday who did duty as a Yes person outside a polling booth (not in this area) and one person quite seriously told her that he voted no because the UN wanted to take over the world…
Yep WORLD GUBMENT.
buffy said:
captain_spalding said:
Peak Warming Man said:
We get all the anti Trump crap here, its not fair.
It’s pretty hard to avoid anti-Trump content.
Even if all the Australian media did was replay Trump’s public addresses without comment, it’s likely that most Australian would see it and think ‘that bloke’s a ratbag’. He’s his own worst advertisement.
And yet…look at the mis/dis information around the referendum. I spoke to a lady yesterday who did duty as a Yes person outside a polling booth (not in this area) and one person quite seriously told her that he voted no because the UN wanted to take over the world…
No Palantir Interference Here ¡ It’s Only Interference If It’s Enemies ¡
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
From the Internet:
“If Trump, despite his criminality, is outpolling Biden by 10 points, why is that? Why would anyone vote for a criminal?”Is Trump really outpolling Biden by 10 points?
In the most recent major poll Trump is ahead 2%.
So it is a close race between old aged and stupid.
roughbarked said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
From the Internet:
“If Trump, despite his criminality, is outpolling Biden by 10 points, why is that? Why would anyone vote for a criminal?”Is Trump really outpolling Biden by 10 points?
In the most recent major poll Trump is ahead 2%.
So it is a close race between old aged and stupid.
I mean they are both really old…
dv said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:In the most recent major poll Trump is ahead 2%.
So it is a close race between old aged and stupid.
I mean they are both really old…
and I’m not a lot younger.
dv said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:In the most recent major poll Trump is ahead 2%.
So it is a close race between old aged and stupid.
I mean they are both really old…
It’s disturbingly damning of American voters that Trump is even in the race, let alone ahead by 2%.
More evidence of quite shocking Western decline.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
roughbarked said:So it is a close race between old aged and stupid.
I mean they are both really old…
It’s disturbingly damning of American voters that Trump is even in the race, let alone ahead by 2%.
More evidence of quite shocking Western decline.
Maybe time for us out-of-touch educated liberal elites to start planning our escape from this planet.
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:I mean they are both really old…
It’s disturbingly damning of American voters that Trump is even in the race, let alone ahead by 2%.
More evidence of quite shocking Western decline.
Maybe time for us out-of-touch educated liberal elites to start planning our escape from this planet.
First you need a Tardis.
roughbarked said:
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:It’s disturbingly damning of American voters that Trump is even in the race, let alone ahead by 2%.
More evidence of quite shocking Western decline.
Maybe time for us out-of-touch educated liberal elites to start planning our escape from this planet.
First you need a Tardis.
I’m sure Elon is working on it.
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
Bubblecar said:Maybe time for us out-of-touch educated liberal elites to start planning our escape from this planet.
First you need a Tardis.
I’m sure Elon is working on it.
If so, it won’t be for us to share.
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
Bubblecar said:Maybe time for us out-of-touch educated liberal elites to start planning our escape from this planet.
First you need a Tardis.
I’m sure Elon is working on it.
he’s bigger on the outside.
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:I mean they are both really old…
It’s disturbingly damning of American voters that Trump is even in the race, let alone ahead by 2%.
More evidence of quite shocking Western decline.
Maybe time for us out-of-touch educated liberal elites to start planning our escape from this planet.
The distribution of euthanasia information is legal in all Australian states.
The 3rd Republican rimsry debate was somewhat fractious.
There were only 5 participants, as some people such as Pence dropped out of the race, some such as Burgum failed to qualify. Trump qualified but was a no show again.
So it is Christie, Scott, Ramaswamy, DeSantis, Haley.
Christie is too far back in the polls to really hope to win so I think he is probably just there to represent the anti-Trump wing of the party, though DeSantis also had a few swipes at the DJT this time. Haley and Ramaswamy attacked each other pretty hard.
Uh Haley went after DeSantis for being too friendly to the environment?
Plenty of work for the fact checkers. Ramaswamy falsely claimed that the new law in Ohio allows abortions up to the point of birth but actually it only goes to the point of fatal viability.
Trump still dominates the primary polls.
Have to assume that these folks are either hoping Trump is going to be unavailable for the Presidency (DeSantis) or are auditioning for the vice presidency (Ramaswamy).
dv said:
The 3rd Republican rimsry debate was somewhat fractious.There were only 5 participants, as some people such as Pence dropped out of the race, some such as Burgum failed to qualify. Trump qualified but was a no show again.
So it is Christie, Scott, Ramaswamy, DeSantis, Haley.
Christie is too far back in the polls to really hope to win so I think he is probably just there to represent the anti-Trump wing of the party, though DeSantis also had a few swipes at the DJT this time. Haley and Ramaswamy attacked each other pretty hard.
Uh Haley went after DeSantis for being too friendly to the environment?
Plenty of work for the fact checkers. Ramaswamy falsely claimed that the new law in Ohio allows abortions up to the point of birth but actually it only goes to the point of fatal viability.
Trump still dominates the primary polls.
Have to assume that these folks are either hoping Trump is going to be unavailable for the Presidency (DeSantis) or are auditioning for the vice presidency (Ramaswamy).
We’ll see what Planet America Fireside Chat has to say about it tomorrow night.
Republican Congresswoman and conservative intellectual Marjorie Taylor Greene opines that Republicans lost because they don’t find hard enough against abortion.
dv said:
Republican Congresswoman and conservative intellectual Marjorie Taylor Greene opines that Republicans lost because they don’t find hard enough against abortion.
Good grief….
buffy said:
dv said:
Republican Congresswoman and conservative intellectual Marjorie Taylor Greene opines that Republicans lost because they don’t find hard enough against abortion.
Good grief….
A conservative intellectual ay?
I suppose it’s all relative.
dv said:
Republican Congresswoman and conservative intellectual Marjorie Taylor Greene opines that Republicans lost because they don’t find hard enough against abortion.
What a nong.
On the other hand I have to commend MTG for her correct grammar, spelling and punctuation. Compared to her fellow travellers she really is an intellectual.
dv said:
On the other hand I have to commend MTG for her correct grammar, spelling and punctuation. Compared to her fellow travellers she really is an intellectual.
Spelling?
“trey” for “tray”?
Michael V said:
dv said:
On the other hand I have to commend MTG for her correct grammar, spelling and punctuation. Compared to her fellow travellers she really is an intellectual.
Spelling?
“trey” for “tray”?
I’m a generous and kind chap. I’ll allow a couple of typos.
dv said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
On the other hand I have to commend MTG for her correct grammar, spelling and punctuation. Compared to her fellow travellers she really is an intellectual.
Spelling?
“trey” for “tray”?
I’m a generous and kind chap. I’ll allow a couple of typos.
LOL
Michael V said:
dv said:
Republican Congresswoman and conservative intellectual Marjorie Taylor Greene opines that Republicans lost because they don’t find hard enough against abortion.
What a nong.
Human life begins at the spark of conception
Michael V said:
dv said:
On the other hand I have to commend MTG for her correct grammar, spelling and punctuation. Compared to her fellow travellers she really is an intellectual.
Spelling?
“trey” for “tray”?
Trey is a common name here. For males.
kii said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
On the other hand I have to commend MTG for her correct grammar, spelling and punctuation. Compared to her fellow travellers she really is an intellectual.
Spelling?
“trey” for “tray”?
Trey is a common name here. For males.
crowder. also three.
Boris said:
kii said:
Michael V said:Spelling?
“trey” for “tray”?
Trey is a common name here. For males.
crowder. also three.
Tres troi?
kii said:
Boris said:
kii said:Trey is a common name here. For males.
crowder. also three.
Tres troi?
trey is usual for a score of three in cards, dice, or dominoes. same as deuce for two.
Boris said:
kii said:
Boris said:crowder. also three.
Tres troi?
trey is usual for a score of three in cards, dice, or dominoes. same as deuce for two.
also the face value of a card
A trey was a thruppenny piece.
Boris said:
Boris said:
kii said:Tres troi?
trey is usual for a score of three in cards, dice, or dominoes. same as deuce for two.
also the face value of a card
It’s been too long since I played cards with humans. Maybe I should keep the playing cards we inherited from mr kii’s mommy? I think she played Pinochle.
Peak Warming Man said:
A trey was a thruppenny piece.
I don’t believe you.
kii said:
Peak Warming Man said:
A trey was a thruppenny piece.
I don’t believe you.
It’s true.
Peak Warming Man said:
A trey was a thruppenny piece.
Yeah. A trey bit.
kii said:
Peak Warming Man said:
A trey was a thruppenny piece.
I don’t believe you.
i believe.
sarahs mum said:
kii said:
Peak Warming Man said:
A trey was a thruppenny piece.
I don’t believe you.
i believe.
It is also sometimes used to mean a three in cards.
Democrats gained 5 seats in the New Jersey General assembly, giving them a supermajority, meaning their legislation will pass more easily.
dv said:
Democrats gained 5 seats in the New Jersey General assembly, giving them a supermajority, meaning their legislation will pass more easily.
‘Supermajority, can leap legislative hurdles at a single bound!’
What’s the latest on Trump?
In jail yet?
Tau.Neutrino said:
What’s the latest on Trump?In jail yet?
Not for want of trying
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
Democrats gained 5 seats in the New Jersey General assembly, giving them a supermajority, meaning their legislation will pass more easily.
‘Supermajority, can leap legislative hurdles at a single bound!’
dv said:
Republican Congresswoman and conservative intellectual Marjorie Taylor Greene opines that Republicans lost because they don’t find hard enough against abortion.
But they want to carry an assault rifle and kill denocrats.
roughbarked said:
But they want to carry an assault rifle and kill denocrats.
Democrats are adults, and in their eyes have sinned. The unborn are pure. Or something convoluted like that.
kii said:
roughbarked said:But they want to carry an assault rifle and kill denocrats.
Democrats are adults, and in their eyes have sinned. The unborn are pure. Or something convoluted like that.
Very convoluted.
Senator Joe Manchin of West Virginia will not seek reelection. Although moderate Democrats may regard Manchin as a thorn on their side, the fact that WV had a Democrat Senator at all was a miracle, and it’s doubtful that they’ll win this Senate election next time.
Bubblecar said:
LOL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3VTAjKOpcs
sarahs mum said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3VTAjKOpcs
They will just as likely be overthrown by the military, and there will be a junta administration for a time until they are ready to hold an election… under a revised constitution.
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3VTAjKOpcs
They will just as likely be overthrown by the military, and there will be a junta administration for a time until they are ready to hold an election… under a revised constitution.
2024 looks like being quite a decisive year.
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3VTAjKOpcs
They will just as likely be overthrown by the military, and there will be a junta administration for a time until they are ready to hold an election… under a revised constitution.
2024 looks like being quite a decisive year.
He will be assassinated long before he gets anywhere near taking the oath a second time.
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:They will just as likely be overthrown by the military, and there will be a junta administration for a time until they are ready to hold an election… under a revised constitution.
2024 looks like being quite a decisive year.
He will be assassinated long before he gets anywhere near taking the oath a second time.
As i said a little while ago, anything like that could provide the pretext for the Heritage Foundation, and their allies within the Republican party, to quickly institute the authoritarian measure that they’ve been planning.
Which is not to say that it wouldn’t happen. It might be an action taken by someone who has no ties to any political party, someone politically/ideologically opposed to Trump, or, precisely because it would provide the necessary pretext, by someone in the pay of/set up by the Heritage Foundation and the Republicans.
In any case, it could be the end of the United States as we’ve known it.
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:2024 looks like being quite a decisive year.
He will be assassinated long before he gets anywhere near taking the oath a second time.
As i said a little while ago, anything like that could provide the pretext for the Heritage Foundation, and their allies within the Republican party, to quickly institute the authoritarian measure that they’ve been planning.
Which is not to say that it wouldn’t happen. It might be an action taken by someone who has no ties to any political party, someone politically/ideologically opposed to Trump, or, precisely because it would provide the necessary pretext, by someone in the pay of/set up by the Heritage Foundation and the Republicans.
In any case, it could be the end of the United States as we’ve known it.
There’s not enough of them. They need someone like Trump in power. There is no successor if Trump is gone. They are a noisy minority inside the Republican Party.
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:He will be assassinated long before he gets anywhere near taking the oath a second time.
As i said a little while ago, anything like that could provide the pretext for the Heritage Foundation, and their allies within the Republican party, to quickly institute the authoritarian measure that they’ve been planning.
Which is not to say that it wouldn’t happen. It might be an action taken by someone who has no ties to any political party, someone politically/ideologically opposed to Trump, or, precisely because it would provide the necessary pretext, by someone in the pay of/set up by the Heritage Foundation and the Republicans.
In any case, it could be the end of the United States as we’ve known it.
There’s not enough of them. They need someone like Trump in power. There is no successor if Trump is gone. They are a noisy minority inside the Republican Party.
Oh my beloved the time is near when mountains will shudder and the fat and the rich and corrupt will pay a heavy price for their wickedness. Let us pray.
party_pants said:
There’s not enough of them. They need someone like Trump in power. There is no successor if Trump is gone. They are a noisy minority inside the Republican Party.
That’s the thing about coups.
You don’t need vast armies. You just need enough people, perhaps just a dedicated few, in the right positions, so as to convince those who command the vast armies that they should take their orders from your mob.
They might need Trump just long enough to convince the MAGA morons to put him back into the job. After that, let’s face it, he’d be far more trouble than he could possibly be worth. Who, even in the Republican party, would want to listen to four more years of his shit?
So, perhaps he could be expended in some action to providethe trigger to the institution of authoritarianism.
It may be a pertinent question to ask who the Heritage Foundation woulld like to see as Trump’s Vice-President: the person a heartbeat (or a trigger-squeeze) away from the Presidency.
sarahs mum said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3VTAjKOpcs
I started watching this yesterday, I had to calm my brain down with Netflix binge. Now I’m distracted by the rain again. Just going to lie here and soak it up.
On the radio earlier: Waffle House workers from three states rallied this week in front of the companies headquarters in Georgia demanding higher wages and safer working conditions.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/16/waffle-house-workers-strike-minimum-wage-union
‘Obama should resign’: Donald Trump again confuses his presidential predecessor with Joe Biden
By Jason Dasey
roughbarked said:
‘Obama should resign’: Donald Trump again confuses his presidential predecessor with Joe Biden
By Jason Dasey
None of Mr Trump’s state or federal trials have been televised, but the former reality star told the New Hampshire audience that he would like his election subversion trial in Washington, DC — due to start in March 4 next year — to be broadcast live.
“Let’s let the public decide because I want cameras in every inch of that courthouse,” he told the crowd in Claremont.
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:
‘Obama should resign’: Donald Trump again confuses his presidential predecessor with Joe Biden
By Jason DaseyNone of Mr Trump’s state or federal trials have been televised, but the former reality star told the New Hampshire audience that he would like his election subversion trial in Washington, DC — due to start in March 4 next year — to be broadcast live.
“Let’s let the public decide because I want cameras in every inch of that courthouse,” he told the crowd in Claremont.
I’d be careful if I was him. Because the last time the USA had courts were decided by the people, they usually resulted in a public hangiing.
roughbarked said:
…he would like his election subversion trial in Washington, DC — due to start in March 4 next year — to be broadcast live.
Sound like quite sufficient reason to say ‘no’.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:…he would like his election subversion trial in Washington, DC — due to start in March 4 next year — to be broadcast live.
Sound like quite sufficient reason to say ‘no’.
Yes.
Why Silicon Valley billionaires like Peter Thiel turned against Trump
The right-wing titans of tech helped create Donald Trump. Now they’re alienated from politics and searching for allies.
By Elizabeth Dwoskin, Maeve Reston and Hannah Knowles
Updated November 12, 2023 at 4:58 p.m. EST|Published November 12, 2023 at 6:00 a.m. EST
A year ago, the Silicon Valley billionaire Peter Thiel received a pitch from a longtime associate, the right-wing pundit Ann Coulter, encouraging him to throw his weight behind Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, an emerging contender for the Republican presidential nomination
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Thiel was torn. Coulter was one of many people urging the onetime political kingmaker — who supported Donald Trump in 2016 and bankrolled a roster of Trump-aligned contestants in the 2022 midterms — to back a candidate in the 2024 race, according to three people familiar with private conversations, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe them.
The pressure campaign continued this April, when Trump himself called to ask Thiel for his support. In a contentious phone conversation, the tech mogul declined.
Just two months before Republican primary season kicks off in Iowa, Thiel is one of several powerful Silicon Valley conservatives reevaluating their participation in politics. Tech heavyweights who helped ignite Trump’s candidacy have told close associates they feel alienated from the GOP and are casting about for a candidate who more closely aligns with their extreme pro-business agenda.
The right-wing venture capitalist David Sacks was a major DeSantis backer, hosting the launch of DeSantis’s presidential campaign on X, formerly Twitter, in the spring. But in recent months, Sacks has soured on DeSantis, according to two people familiar with his thinking, and has thrown fundraisers for rivals Vivek Ramaswamy and Robert F. Kennedy Jr, then running as a Democrat. (Kennedy has since launched a bid as an independent.)
Others, like Thiel, are so deflated by the tenor of GOP discourse that they appear to have decided to sit out the 2024 campaign entirely.
The ambivalence among tech leaders goes well beyond a distaste for the former president, who was scorned by several high-profile tech-world supporters in the aftermath of the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol. Although the tech elite often have criticized the left and “wokeness,” some now say the GOP has overemphasized divisive social issues such as transgender rights and abortion at the expense of the tech titans’ primary political goal: radical deregulation.
Once enticed by the prospect that Trump would usher in a new, ultra-capitalist era in Republican politics, members of the right-leaning tech elite are now looking for allies to protect the industry from bruising attacks by both parties and champion its worth as the country’s most dynamic economic engine. These views have been calcified by government efforts to regulate artificial intelligence, which the Silicon Valley figures see as a transformative technology that would suffer from government meddling.
That disappointment mirrors the sentiment among Republican donors across the country. They are deflated by the prospect of another roller-coaster Trump presidency, citing the president’s erratic behavior and his many legal entanglements. But the ambivalence of right-wing Silicon Valley donors, along with a spate of GOP losses in Tuesday’s elections, deepens the unhappiness over Trump’s all but certain nomination.
“There’s such a massive disconnect right now between caucus-goers and primary voters and the people who write the big super PAC checks,” said a political adviser to major Silicon Valley donors on the right. “We don’t care about kids going to bathrooms. We care about dismantling the regulatory state.”
Faith in Trump’s ability to lessen government oversight of business has crumbled, leaving conservatives in the tech industry adrift, according to 10 people who are either close advisers or friends of major tech donors. Most spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe private talks.
Thiel and Coulter declined to comment. The Trump campaign did not respond to a request for comment.
From rank-and-file engineers to ultrawealthy venture capitalists, the tech industry has long skewed liberal. During the Obama years, Democrats and Republicans saw the tech sector as a bright spot in an economy marred by recession and bad behavior on Wall Street. Well-known Silicon Valley figures, such as former Google chairman Eric Schmidt, cultivated deep ties to the Obama administration.
Then Trump ran for president, exciting a small but influential group. Thiel donated $1.25 million to Trump’s first campaign, announcing in a 2016 GOP convention speech that he was proud to be both Republican and gay. The venture capitalist Doug Leone — whose net worth is a reported $6.8 billion thanks to early bets on Apple, PayPal, Google, and WhatsApp — donated more than $200,000 to Trump and Trump-associated committees through 2019, and he sat on the former president’s post-pandemic economic recovery task force.
Sun Microsystems co-founder Scott McNealy and his wife, Susan, have given more than $500,000 to Trump, beginning with his 2016 presidential run, according to public records. They supported his reelection bid by hosting a $100,000-a-head fundraiser at their Silicon Valley home.
Oracle co-founder and executive chairman Larry Ellison lent Trump his Southern California property for a fundraiser ahead of the 2020 primaries, eventually launching a public-private partnership with the White House to combat the coronavirus. Shortly after Trump lost to Joe Biden, Ellison joined Trump’s advisers on a controversial call to plot strategies for contesting the vote.
People who know Leone, a longtime Republican, said his support of Trump was tied to a belief that the former New York businessman would cut bureaucratic red tape and attack entrenched industries that blocked entrants from Silicon Valley. Silicon Valley leaders on the right, including Ellison, saw the Obama years as politically disastrous, and Trump represented a welcome departure. Thiel, in particular, viewed Trump as a fellow contrarian.
Trump’s son-in law, Jared Kushner, and Kushner’s brother, Josh, a Democrat, are investors and entrepreneurs with a robust network in Silicon Valley, including ties to Thiel’s Founders Fund and Leone’s Sequoia.
But Trump’s Silicon Valley supporters have largely been disappointed.
“The problem was Trump was very undisciplined, and his own character traits sabotaged the policy changes,” said Keith Rabois, a general partner at Thiel’s venture firm Founders Fund and a GOP donor who never supported Trump. “Instead of just executing relentlessly, he would cause turmoil and chaos, and that would interfere with his agenda.”
Today, Ellison is one of the largest donors to a group supporting Sen. Tim Scott (S.C.), a Republican presidential candidate. Leone donated an eye-popping $2 million earlier this year to the super PAC supporting DeSantis’s bid. And McNealy’s only donation this year has been a $6,600 gift to North Dakota Gov. Doug Burgum, a onetime Stanford classmate making a long-shot bid for the GOP nomination.
Thiel has said he is sitting out the 2024 election entirely. Three people familiar with his thinking said his decision was driven by the absence of a candidate who reflects his views and the erosion of his privacy that has accompanied his highly visible involvement in presidential politics.
But pressure from the billionaire’s friends and his husband — amid his alienation from a party that is leaning heavily into divisive cultural fights — also pushed him away from the GOP, according to the people.
Thiel continued to support GOP Senate candidate Blake Masters in 2022, even as Masters railed against the Supreme Court’s legalization of same-sex marriage, despite attending Thiel’s wedding to a man.
But Thiel’s inner circle of gay friends criticized him for backing Masters and for remaining a key GOP donor at a time when the party was taking increasingly anti-LGBTQ+ stances.
Ellison and Leone turned away from Trump after the 2020 election. While Leone renounced Trump publicly after the Jan. 6 attack, Ellison discontinued his relationship with Trump after the election-strategies phone call, said one of the people familiar with his thinking.
“Let’s put it this way: That was the last call he was ever on,” said the person, who noted that Ellison participated in the call as a courtesy.
Sacks, Leone and the DeSantis campaign declined to comment. Ellison and McNealy did not respond to requests for comment.
Even Republicans in Silicon Valley who were never Trump enthusiasts are struggling to land the right allies in Washington. Sacks, who has donated to DeSantis, spent weeks working with former PayPal executive Elon Musk to secure a live-stream to launch DeSantis’s campaign on X, at the time known as Twitter.
But people familiar with Sacks’s thinking say he has grown increasingly disillusioned with DeSantis, who is lagging badly in national polls.
When Sacks and the investor Joe Lonsdale, a longtime Thiel protégé, hosted a fundraiser in California for DeSantis in September, Lonsdale didn’t show up. Sacks hosted a $50,000-a-head fundraiser for Ramaswamy the next day.
A person familiar with Sacks’s thinking said that the DeSantis fundraiser was long-planned but that the Ramaswamy event was added to the calendar last-minute — a sign of Sacks’s growing interest in Ramaswamy’s libertarian, tear-it-all-down agenda.
Sacks and other supporters tolerated some of DeSantis’s more polarizing positions, such as his fights with Disney over transgender issues and his six-week abortion ban. Some of those battles aligned with Silicon Valley leaders’ agendas: Like DeSantis, Sacks frequently used Twitter to criticize the news media and the “woke” left. Thiel, who also has criticized wokeness, praised DeSantis in a speech last year as a model for the GOP.
But Silicon Valley donors, including Sacks and Thiel, began to feel that DeSantis’s brawls were becoming a distraction — and that he never transitioned to a broader presidential message as he slid in the polls.
“Most Silicon Valley people are politically but not socially conservative,” said one of the people familiar with Sacks’s thinking. “All DeSantis needed to be was normal. Now he’s gone nuts on this woke thing.”
Rabois, who said he recently shifted his support to former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley, said that he still believes DeSantis was an excellent governor with remarkable fortitude to stand up to both the media and Disney. But with the world “on the precipice of another serious world war,” he said, DeSantis hasn’t demonstrated sophisticated expertise in foreign policy and the economy.
Meanwhile, Ellison may be pulling back some support from Scott. The billionaire was expected to make a substantial contribution to the super PAC backing Scott’s presidential bid earlier this year, according to two people familiar with the group’s strategy. But the money does not appear to have come through, causing concern with the campaign, which cancelled $40 million in ad reservations that were slated to run starting in September.
Friends and advisers to Silicon Valley donors say that the underlying alienation from politics stems from what people perceive as Washington’s failure to serve the tech industry — a feeling that has only accelerated during the Trump and Biden years.
Trump ran on an agenda of promoting deregulation. In his first month in office, he issued an executive order saying that for every new regulation created, two would have to be slashed. But for the next four years, the Trump White House was engulfed in chaos, and people in Silicon Valley perceived that the pathways for start-ups did not materialize.
“Look at the major agencies. The FTC, the FDA. Did they have any less when Trump left office than when he started? The answer is no,” said one of the advisers to major Silicon Valley donors.
Trump also joined a chorus of politicians attacking the tech industry as becoming too powerful. He tried to break TikTok away from its Chinese owner, ByteDance, a major blow to a social media company that had received significant funding from Leone’s Sequoia Capital. The Trump administration ultimately named Ellison’s Oracle the U.S. technology partner for TikTok, a decision that some critics said looked like a reward for Ellison’s political support.
While some tech leaders, such as Thiel, supported Trump and the GOP’s attacks on Big Tech, today the tech elite across the political spectrum fear that Washington has become overly meddlesome in industries such as cryptocurrency and artificial intelligence.
“Some people here backed Trump, and he turned against Big Tech. Now tech is the boogeyman for both parties,” said another one of the advisers to influential Silicon Valley donors.
Jeff Giesea, a longtime friend of Thiel’s who is launching a nonpartisan think tank called the Boyd Institute, said the alliance between Silicon Valley titans and Trump’s GOP is an awkward one. Although the donors have leaned into polarizing attacks on the media and the left, he said they see themselves as builders trapped in a party not interested in creating strategically.
“Right now, the GOP is all clickbait,” Giesea said. “On one level, these guys are anti-woke. But there’s a recognition starting that you can choke on anti-woke — that it’s a distraction from solving real problems.”
Ence Morse and Josh Dawsey contributed to this report.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/11/12/silicon-valley-billionaire-donors-presidential-candidates/?
tachwash
SCIENCE said:
techwash
apologies, fixed
https://youtu.be/VMcQzn7SG-M?si=5AUVD6zMedkSxkHF
New US House Speaker Mike Johnson has hit his first hurdle as 3 GOP members of the House including Marjorie Taylor Greene refuse to support his bill to keep the government funded
dv said:
https://youtu.be/VMcQzn7SG-M?si=5AUVD6zMedkSxkHFNew US House Speaker Mike Johnson has hit his first hurdle as 3 GOP members of the House including Marjorie Taylor Greene refuse to support his bill to keep the government funded
She is too stupid to be in Congress.
Let me take you way back to 1968 and Robert Kennedy’s assassination.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p00yqjy8
Tim Scott has withdrawn from the Presidential race. I expect most of his support will go to Nikki Haley.
dv said:
https://youtu.be/VMcQzn7SG-M?si=5AUVD6zMedkSxkHFNew US House Speaker Mike Johnson has hit his first hurdle as 3 GOP members of the House including Marjorie Taylor Greene refuse to support his bill to keep the government funded
I was listening to this as I cleaned the kitty litter tray and I kept hearing the beep from a smoke detector. I thought it was the one in this room. Which gives me the heeby-jeebies, because it requires the big ladder to reach it.
Trump’s sister is dead. Former federal judge Maryanne Trump Barry, 86. Found dead in a NY apartment.
kii said:
Trump’s sister is dead. Former federal judge Maryanne Trump Barry, 86. Found dead in a NY apartment.
Was she the one who wrote a book about him?
roughbarked said:
kii said:
Trump’s sister is dead. Former federal judge Maryanne Trump Barry, 86. Found dead in a NY apartment.
Was she the one who wrote a book about him?
I can’t remember and can’t be bothered to Google that. I know she and her niece, Mary L. Trump, are on tape discussing family things. That might be related to a book. Mary L. trump is an outspoken commentator about her uncle.
kii said:
roughbarked said:
kii said:
Trump’s sister is dead. Former federal judge Maryanne Trump Barry, 86. Found dead in a NY apartment.
Was she the one who wrote a book about him?
I can’t remember and can’t be bothered to Google that. I know she and her niece, Mary L. Trump, are on tape discussing family things. That might be related to a book. Mary L. trump is an outspoken commentator about her uncle.
Maybe it was the niece.
roughbarked said:
kii said:
roughbarked said:Was she the one who wrote a book about him?
I can’t remember and can’t be bothered to Google that. I know she and her niece, Mary L. Trump, are on tape discussing family things. That might be related to a book. Mary L. trump is an outspoken commentator about her uncle.
Maybe it was the niece.
Yeah I think so.
Witty Rejoinder said:
roughbarked said:
kii said:I can’t remember and can’t be bothered to Google that. I know she and her niece, Mary L. Trump, are on tape discussing family things. That might be related to a book. Mary L. trump is an outspoken commentator about her uncle.
Maybe it was the niece.
Yeah I think so.
That looks to be cleared up then. Like kii, I’m not partial to googling anything with Trump in the name.
Witty Rejoinder said:
roughbarked said:
kii said:I can’t remember and can’t be bothered to Google that. I know she and her niece, Mary L. Trump, are on tape discussing family things. That might be related to a book. Mary L. trump is an outspoken commentator about her uncle.
Maybe it was the niece.
Yeah I think so.
His niece wrote one book that I know of, I bought it. I also watch some of her stuff online.
kii said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
roughbarked said:Maybe it was the niece.
Yeah I think so.
His niece wrote one book that I know of, I bought it. I also watch some of her stuff online.
:) Yes, I’ve had people send me links to the audio book but I already know that Trump is an imbecile that leads only other imbeciles. I really don’t need to know how to heal him and them. That is the work for those who live in the same country as him.
roughbarked said:
kii said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Yeah I think so.
His niece wrote one book that I know of, I bought it. I also watch some of her stuff online.
:) Yes, I’ve had people send me links to the audio book but I already know that Trump is an imbecile that leads only other imbeciles. I really don’t need to know how to heal him and them. That is the work for those who live in the same country as him.
What?
roughbarked said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
roughbarked said:Maybe it was the niece.
Yeah I think so.
That looks to be cleared up then. Like kii, I’m not partial to googling anything with Trump in the name.
I’m fine with Googling stuff about him. I’m just not googling it for another person.
kii said:
roughbarked said:
kii said:His niece wrote one book that I know of, I bought it. I also watch some of her stuff online.
:) Yes, I’ve had people send me links to the audio book but I already know that Trump is an imbecile that leads only other imbeciles. I really don’t need to know how to heal him and them. That is the work for those who live in the same country as him.
What?
Well I can’t fix Trump by knowing about him and I have trouble ignoring him. Only the American people can decide to ignore him so he goes away.
kii said:
roughbarked said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Yeah I think so.
That looks to be cleared up then. Like kii, I’m not partial to googling anything with Trump in the name.
I’m fine with Googling stuff about him. I’m just not googling it for another person.
All good on that front. I wasn’t asking you to. You have plenty of your own stuff to do.
Conservative intellectuals are way over my head these days
kii said:
Trump’s sister is dead. Former federal judge Maryanne Trump Barry, 86. Found dead in a NY apartment.
Kind of a normal competent person with only mild fraud…
kii said:
Trump’s sister is dead. Former federal judge Maryanne Trump Barry, 86. Found dead in a NY apartment.
They’ve killed his sister now?
dv said:
Conservative intellectuals are way over my head these days
He should just stop eating.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Conservative intellectuals are way over my head these days
He should just stop eating.
When only the best advice will suffice. ;)
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Conservative intellectuals are way over my head these days
He should just stop eating.
well, he certainly shouldn’t have ordered that pizza.
dv said:
Conservative intellectuals are way over my head these days
I am a man
men are machines
machines need only fuel
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
Conservative intellectuals are way over my head these days
I am a man
men are machines
machines need only fuel
I’ll volunteer to fill him with diesel.
roughbarked said:
kii said:
roughbarked said::) Yes, I’ve had people send me links to the audio book but I already know that Trump is an imbecile that leads only other imbeciles. I really don’t need to know how to heal him and them. That is the work for those who live in the same country as him.
What?
Well I can’t fix Trump by knowing about him and I have trouble ignoring him. Only the American people can decide to ignore him so he goes away.
Peak Warming Man said:
kii said:
Trump’s sister is dead. Former federal judge Maryanne Trump Barry, 86. Found dead in a NY apartment.
They’ve killed his sister now?
https://youtu.be/AH0k_dmbGp4?si=iHyNGKQt86F1rLjd
Michael Burns discusses Freedom and the USA
I don’t think I have posted any recent crazy babble from weekend with trump. There are some moments of utter cray cray from the campaign trail.
>>Trump says critics will be in ‘mental institution’ if he becomes president
LOL
Peak Warming Man said:
>>Trump says critics will be in ‘mental institution’ if he becomes presidentLOL
Seems that every time he opens his mouth he gets closer to that mental institution he’s fond of mentioning.
roughbarked said:
Peak Warming Man said:
>>Trump says critics will be in ‘mental institution’ if he becomes presidentLOL
Seems that every time he opens his mouth he gets closer to that mental institution he’s fond of mentioning.
There needs to be a class action against Trump for causing pain and misery.
Tau.Neutrino said:
roughbarked said:
Peak Warming Man said:
>>Trump says critics will be in ‘mental institution’ if he becomes presidentLOL
Seems that every time he opens his mouth he gets closer to that mental institution he’s fond of mentioning.
There needs to be a class action against Trump for causing pain and misery.
II was traumatised for days.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
roughbarked said:Seems that every time he opens his mouth he gets closer to that mental institution he’s fond of mentioning.
There needs to be a class action against Trump for causing pain and misery.
I want to sue Trump for getting into my dreams.II was traumatised for days.
How about building a prison wall around Mar-a-Largo?
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:There needs to be a class action against Trump for causing pain and misery.
I want to sue Trump for getting into my dreams.II was traumatised for days.
How about building a prison wall around Mar-a-Largo?
He’ll still want to climb out of his crib.
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:I want to sue Trump for getting into my dreams.
II was traumatised for days.
How about building a prison wall around Mar-a-Largo?
He’ll still want to climb out of his crib.
Nuke Mar-a-Largo from space.
Just to be sure.
The MAGA movement is homing in on the spouses of Donald Trump’s perceived adversaries as their leader’s personal peril grows.
Trump is known to lash out at the spouses and other family members of his political adversaries when he finds himself in political, financial or legal trouble. Just ask Sen. Ted Cruz, Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, Khizr Khan, former FBI Director Andrew McCabe or Sen. Mitch McConnell.
This strategy seems designed partly to goad Trump’s political enemies into outbursts and partly to intimidate anyone else considering defying him. And as Trump faces a potentially calamitous civil trial, criminal charges in multiple states and an accelerating 2024 campaign, the former president and some of his followers are returning to the same tired playbook.
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https://www.msnbc.com/the-reidout/reidout-blog/trump-attacks-paul-pelosi-jack-smiths-wife-cowardly-ploy-rcna124970
The Trump Era really dumbed down the White House didn’t it.
At least two people who stormed the Capitol on Jan. 6 are running for Congress in 2024. A victory for either would return them to the building they helped desecrate as members of an insurrectionist mob.
Jacob Chansley, who branded himself as the “QAnon Shaman,” is best known as the conspiracy theorist in a fur hat with horns during the riot who whined about his food options in jail after he was convicted of a felony count of obstructing an official proceeding.
https://www.msnbc.com/the-reidout/reidout-blog/qanon-shaman-congress-arizona-jan-6-rcna124966
dv said:
At least two people who stormed the Capitol on Jan. 6 are running for Congress in 2024. A victory for either would return them to the building they helped desecrate as members of an insurrectionist mob.Jacob Chansley, who branded himself as the “QAnon Shaman,” is best known as the conspiracy theorist in a fur hat with horns during the riot who whined about his food options in jail after he was convicted of a felony count of obstructing an official proceeding.
https://www.msnbc.com/the-reidout/reidout-blog/qanon-shaman-congress-arizona-jan-6-rcna124966
I thought the nutter was still behind bars.
Tau.Neutrino said:
dv said:
At least two people who stormed the Capitol on Jan. 6 are running for Congress in 2024. A victory for either would return them to the building they helped desecrate as members of an insurrectionist mob.Jacob Chansley, who branded himself as the “QAnon Shaman,” is best known as the conspiracy theorist in a fur hat with horns during the riot who whined about his food options in jail after he was convicted of a felony count of obstructing an official proceeding.
https://www.msnbc.com/the-reidout/reidout-blog/qanon-shaman-congress-arizona-jan-6-rcna124966I thought the nutter was still behind bars.
I’d bet that he’s living with his ‘mom’.
That’s where he fled when the federal authroities were looking for him.
captain_spalding said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
dv said:
At least two people who stormed the Capitol on Jan. 6 are running for Congress in 2024. A victory for either would return them to the building they helped desecrate as members of an insurrectionist mob.Jacob Chansley, who branded himself as the “QAnon Shaman,” is best known as the conspiracy theorist in a fur hat with horns during the riot who whined about his food options in jail after he was convicted of a felony count of obstructing an official proceeding.
https://www.msnbc.com/the-reidout/reidout-blog/qanon-shaman-congress-arizona-jan-6-rcna124966I thought the nutter was still behind bars.
I’d bet that he’s living with his ‘mom’.
That’s where he fled when the federal authroities were looking for him.
He’s on supervised release
dv said:
captain_spalding said:
Tau.Neutrino said:I thought the nutter was still behind bars.
I’d bet that he’s living with his ‘mom’.
That’s where he fled when the federal authroities were looking for him.
He’s on supervised release
Who better to do the supervising than Mom?
dv said:
At least two people who stormed the Capitol on Jan. 6 are running for Congress in 2024. A victory for either would return them to the building they helped desecrate as members of an insurrectionist mob.Jacob Chansley, who branded himself as the “QAnon Shaman,” is best known as the conspiracy theorist in a fur hat with horns during the riot who whined about his food options in jail after he was convicted of a felony count of obstructing an official proceeding.
https://www.msnbc.com/the-reidout/reidout-blog/qanon-shaman-congress-arizona-jan-6-rcna124966
Why is he not in jail for the next ten years?
https://www.newsbreak.com/news/3228335569459-donald-trump-s-lawyer-alina-habba-and-husband-owe-over-1-million-in-liens-and-warrants
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Donald Trump’s Lawyer Alina Habba and Husband Owe Over $1 Million in Liens and Warrants
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Hopefully she knows a good lawyer
dv said:
https://www.newsbreak.com/news/3228335569459-donald-trump-s-lawyer-alina-habba-and-husband-owe-over-1-million-in-liens-and-warrants
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Donald Trump’s Lawyer Alina Habba and Husband Owe Over $1 Million in Liens and Warrants
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Hopefully she knows a good lawyer
Do Not Worry,
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/11/12/trump-rally-vermin-political-opponents/
The Will, It Must Triumph
Kingy said:
dv said:
At least two people who stormed the Capitol on Jan. 6 are running for Congress in 2024. A victory for either would return them to the building they helped desecrate as members of an insurrectionist mob.Jacob Chansley, who branded himself as the “QAnon Shaman,” is best known as the conspiracy theorist in a fur hat with horns during the riot who whined about his food options in jail after he was convicted of a felony count of obstructing an official proceeding.
https://www.msnbc.com/the-reidout/reidout-blog/qanon-shaman-congress-arizona-jan-6-rcna124966Why is he not in jail for the next ten years?
It is the land of the free.
roughbarked said:
Kingy said:
dv said:
At least two people who stormed the Capitol on Jan. 6 are running for Congress in 2024. A victory for either would return them to the building they helped desecrate as members of an insurrectionist mob.Jacob Chansley, who branded himself as the “QAnon Shaman,” is best known as the conspiracy theorist in a fur hat with horns during the riot who whined about his food options in jail after he was convicted of a felony count of obstructing an official proceeding.
https://www.msnbc.com/the-reidout/reidout-blog/qanon-shaman-congress-arizona-jan-6-rcna124966Why is he not in jail for the next ten years?
It is the land of the free.
fFor a little while yet, at least.
Copies of four books, which Pen America says have appeared in its Index of Banned Books, will be handed out at her shows in Miami on Tuesday and nearby Sunrise on Wednesday. They are:
Beloved by Toni Morrison – Pulitzer Prize-winning 1987 novel about the horrors and legacy of slavery is “banned” from nine Florida school districts, Pen America says
The Family Book by Todd Parr – young children’s picture book about different families including same-sex parents is on the list in three districts
The Hill We Climb by Amanda Gorman – the poem written for President Joe Biden’s inauguration was moved from the elementary library to the middle school section in a Miami school
Girls Who Code by Reshma Saujani – was reportedly temporarily removed by a district in Pennsylvania last year but doesn’t appear on Pen America’s current list
“Books have held a special joy for me from the time I was a child, and that’s why I am unwilling to stand by and watch while books are banned by schools,” Pink said in a statement released by the group.
“It’s especially hateful to see authorities take aim at books about race and racism and against LGBTQ authors and those of colour.
kii said:
Vermin, camps…
the same rhetoric that the zionists are using against the palestinians, and the US is backing them.
JudgeMental said:
kii said:
the same rhetoric that the zionists are using against the palestinians, and the US is backing them.
Victims Can’t Possibly Be Perpetrators
JudgeMental said:
kii said:
Vermin, camps…
the same rhetoric that the zionists are using against the palestinians, and the US is backing them.
sarahs mum said:
kii said:
Vermin, camps…
I don’t want to be closely allied to the death camp government.
Me either.
https://youtu.be/AMnChdfIVd4?si=nVQ91ECSzFL1BN1o
LegalEagles
Sam Bankman-Fried conviction
Fani Willis Seeks Protective Order Following Leaked Witness Videos In Trump Case
Leaking the videos was “clearly intended to intimidate witnesses in this case,” the Georgia prosecutor said.
Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis, who’s pursuing an election interference case against Donald Trump, filed a request for an emergency protective order Tuesday after confidential footage of key witness testimony was released to the public.
The order sought by the Georgia prosecutor would prohibit all parties in the case from disclosing any discovery materials. Fulton County Superior Court Judge Scott McAfee agreed to schedule an emergency hearing on the request for Wednesday.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/fani-willis-leaked-testimony-protective-order_n_6553d15ee4b0e4767011e79a
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Food report: I am ovening a couple of crumbed lamb chops each, to be served on a bed of buttery leeks, and accompanied by a couple of slices of baked potato, and some steamed carrot and cabbage. Dessert will be a Neenish tart each from the Casterton bakery.
Sorry, I took an update this afternoon and now there is some silly buggers going on. I quite definitely moved to the chat thread before typing my food report.
dv said:
Fani Willis Seeks Protective Order Following Leaked Witness Videos In Trump Case
Leaking the videos was “clearly intended to intimidate witnesses in this case,” the Georgia prosecutor said.Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis, who’s pursuing an election interference case against Donald Trump, filed a request for an emergency protective order Tuesday after confidential footage of key witness testimony was released to the public.
The order sought by the Georgia prosecutor would prohibit all parties in the case from disclosing any discovery materials. Fulton County Superior Court Judge Scott McAfee agreed to schedule an emergency hearing on the request for Wednesday.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/fani-willis-leaked-testimony-protective-order_n_6553d15ee4b0e4767011e79a
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Heck!
(Copied from UK politics thread.)
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/11/14/politics/speaker-johnson-conservative-reaction/index.html
Speaker Mike Johnson’s decision to avoid a government shutdown by relying on Democratic votes will not cost him the gavel, despite it being the exact same strategy that got Kevin McCarthy the boot, according to interviews with over a dozen members from across the House Republican Conference.
Trump co-defendant’s attorney in Georgia probe admits to leaking videos
The attorney for a co-defendant of Donald Trump in the 2020 Georgia election interference case admitted to sending footage to at least one news outlet that showed defendants giving interviews about former President Trump and talking with prosecutors before pleading guilty.
https://www.msnbc.com/chris-jansing-reports/watch/trump-co-defendant-s-attorney-in-georgia-probe-admits-to-leaking-videos-197946437792
dv said:
Trump co-defendant’s attorney in Georgia probe admits to leaking videos
The attorney for a co-defendant of Donald Trump in the 2020 Georgia election interference case admitted to sending footage to at least one news outlet that showed defendants giving interviews about former President Trump and talking with prosecutors before pleading guilty.
https://www.msnbc.com/chris-jansing-reports/watch/trump-co-defendant-s-attorney-in-georgia-probe-admits-to-leaking-videos-197946437792
The cards are collapsing the house.
dv said:
Trump co-defendant’s attorney in Georgia probe admits to leaking videos
The attorney for a co-defendant of Donald Trump in the 2020 Georgia election interference case admitted to sending footage to at least one news outlet that showed defendants giving interviews about former President Trump and talking with prosecutors before pleading guilty.
https://www.msnbc.com/chris-jansing-reports/watch/trump-co-defendant-s-attorney-in-georgia-probe-admits-to-leaking-videos-197946437792
Shakes head.
Michael V said:
dv said:Trump co-defendant’s attorney in Georgia probe admits to leaking videos
The attorney for a co-defendant of Donald Trump in the 2020 Georgia election interference case admitted to sending footage to at least one news outlet that showed defendants giving interviews about former President Trump and talking with prosecutors before pleading guilty.
https://www.msnbc.com/chris-jansing-reports/watch/trump-co-defendant-s-attorney-in-georgia-probe-admits-to-leaking-videos-197946437792
Shakes head.
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:
dv said:Trump co-defendant’s attorney in Georgia probe admits to leaking videos
The attorney for a co-defendant of Donald Trump in the 2020 Georgia election interference case admitted to sending footage to at least one news outlet that showed defendants giving interviews about former President Trump and talking with prosecutors before pleading guilty.
https://www.msnbc.com/chris-jansing-reports/watch/trump-co-defendant-s-attorney-in-georgia-probe-admits-to-leaking-videos-197946437792
Shakes head.
The Sixth Doctor had some weird outfits but you have to admit he could grow a great moustache.
dv said:
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:Shakes head.
The Sixth Doctor had some weird outfits but you have to admit he could grow a great moustache.
:)
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-16/hunter-biden-trump-documents-subpoena-criminal-case/103113172
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-16/hunter-biden-trump-documents-subpoena-criminal-case/103113172
This laptop of Biden’s – does it really exist? Has anyone ever seen it? Couldn’t he just say “Not mine, sorry” and be done with it?
ATLANTA (AP) — The Georgia prosecutor pursuing a case against former President Donald Trump and others on Wednesday asked a judge to revoke the bond of defendant Harrison Floyd, saying he has been intimidating witnesses and codefendants in the case.
https://apnews.com/article/trump-georgia-election-indictment-floyd-ed9bb3a7822e4a211287e4dd00ac790d
Heather Cox Richardson
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November 14, 2023 (Tuesday)
This evening, by a vote of 336 to 95, the House of Representatives passed a bill to fund the government. Pushed by Speaker Mike Johnson (R-LA), the measure funds the government at current spending levels. Funding for different parts of the government will run out on two separate dates: January 19 and February 2. The measure does not include any funding for military aid to Israel or Ukraine.
Democrats provided most of the votes for the measure, which passed under a special rule that required two thirds of the House to agree to it. The Democrats provided 209 yes votes; the Republicans, 127. Two Democrats and 93 Republicans opposed it.
The Democratic House leadership, Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries (D-NY), Democratic Whip Katherine Clark (D-MA), and Democratic Caucus Chair Pete Aguilar (D-CA) and Vice Chair Ted Lieu (D-CA), released a statement saying:
“From the very beginning of the Congress, House Democrats have made clear that we will always put people over politics and try to find common ground with our Republican colleagues wherever possible, while pushing back against Republican extremism whenever necessary.
“That is the framework through which we will evaluate all issues before us this Congress. We have consistently made clear that a government shutdown would hurt the economy, our national security and everyday Americans during a very fragile time and must be avoided. To that end, House Democrats have repeatedly articulated that any continuing resolution must be set at the fiscal year 2023 spending level, be devoid of harmful cuts and free of extreme right-wing policy riders. The continuing resolution before the House today meets criteria and we will support it.”
Just two Democrats opposed the measure. Ninety-three Republicans did.
Passing a continuing resolution at the same spending levels as fiscal year 2023 with the help of Democrats while much of his own party opposes it puts Johnson in the exact same place Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) was in when eight extremists voted to oust him from the speakership: relying on Democratic votes to fund the government.
Far-right extremists were angry at Johnson and took an official stand against it. Now they are talking about retaliating against the speaker by holding up any further legislation in procedural votes so it cannot move forward, grinding the House to another halt. Johnson might have been trying to address that anger when he today endorsed former president Donald Trump for president in 2024, a move his predecessor McCarthy refused to make.
But McCarthy supporters looked at Johnson getting a pass for the same deal that cost McCarthy his leadership and cried foul. Republican tempers ran hot on Capitol Hill today as Representative Tim Burchett (R-TN) accused former speaker McCarthy of elbowing him in the kidney as McCarthy passed him in the House basement while Burchett was talking to NPR reporter Claudia Grisales. Clearly taken aback, Grisales tweeted: “Have NEVER seen this on Capitol Hill: While talking to after the GOP conference meeting, former walked by with his detail and McCarthy shoved Burchett. Burchett lunged towards me. I thought it was a joke, it was not. And a chase ensued….” Burchett was one of the eight Republican representatives who voted to oust McCarthy from the speakership.
In a House hearing of the Oversight Committee on the U.S. General Services Administration, chair James Comer (R-KY) angrily told Representative Jared Moskowitz (D-FL), who was wearing a blue suit, that he looked like a Smurf (a small, blue cartoon character). Comer angrily defended himself from Moskowitz’s observation that Comer had lent the same amount of money to his own brother that President Biden lent to his brother James.
Comer has insisted without any proof that Biden’s loan was illicit; Moskowitz has repeatedly asked Comer to testify about his own loan. “That is bullsh*t,” Comer said of Moskowitz’s observation that the American people would like to know more about his own loan. Moskowitz answered: “Your word means nothing, Mr. Chairman…. I think the American people have lots of questions, Mr. Chairman, and perhaps you should sit maybe for a deposition.”
That was House Republicans today.
In the Senate, at a hearing of the Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee, Republican Markwayne Mullin of Oklahoma tried to start a physical fight with one of the witnesses, president of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters union Sean O’Brien. O’Brien had criticized Mullin on Twitter, and Mullin wanted to fight it out. O’Brien indicated he was more than ready. Mullin got up from his chair as if to begin, when Senator Bernie Sanders (I-VT), chair of the committee, yelled at him to sit back down. “You are a United States senator!” he shouted.
Meanwhile, the Biden administration today celebrated the drop of the inflation rate to zero for the month of October, meaning that prices did not rise at all between September and October. That flat month means the yearly inflation rate dropped to 3.2% for the past year. Much of that lower inflation rate reflects lower gasoline prices, which dropped 5% in October.
Under the Democratic administration, the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC), which oversees the maintenance of fair business practices, has been much more aggressive about policing misconduct, and today it announced it filed 784 enforcement actions and claimed $4.95 billion in penalties in the fiscal year that ended in September. This financial recovery was the second highest in the history of the SEC, second only to last year’s amount of $6.4 billion.
The White House yesterday announced a new initiative on women’s health research designed to combat the fact that women’s health has been ill studied, leaving half the nation’s people suffering from poorly understood debilitating conditions such as endometriosis and fibroids, as well as being diagnosed or treated incorrectly for disorders such as cardiovascular disease, Alzheimer’s disease, and autoimmune disorders.
Today the White House issued the fifth national climate assessment, which showed a decline in U.S. greenhouse gas emissions despite the growth of the population and of the economy. The White House statement attributes this decline to efforts to mitigate emissions and the increasingly available low-emissions options. In the last decade, it noted, wind energy costs dropped 70% and solar energy costs dropped 90%. In 2020, 80% of new energy generation capacity came from clean energy. Climate change and related extreme weather events are rapidly intensifying, the administration warned, and will cost the U.S. at least $150 billion a year.
Reflecting that fact, Biden today announced more than $6 billion in investments to strengthen the electric grid, reduce flooding, support conservation, and advance environmental justice, as underserved communities bear the brunt of weather events. The money is coming primarily from the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), and the Inflation Reduction Act.
Author and journalist Rachel Maddow tells Stephen that former president Trump is deliberately using dehumanizing language against his opponents and inviting critics to label him a fascist as he seeks to return to power. Stick around for more with Rachel and check out her latest book, “Prequel: An American Fight Against Fascism,” available now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hz0eBCxHO7c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OES6ot-88N0
Lindsey Graham and other Republicans in the Senate excoriate Senator Tuberville’s hold-up of military appointments
sarahs mum said:
Author and journalist Rachel Maddow tells Stephen that former president Trump is deliberately using dehumanizing language against his opponents and inviting critics to label him a fascist as he seeks to return to power. Stick around for more with Rachel and check out her latest book, “Prequel: An American Fight Against Fascism,” available now.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hz0eBCxHO7c
I do love her energy and brain. I have a $25 gift card for Barnes & Noble, I might buy this book.
A decision expected later today from a court in Colorado on whether or not Trump is disqualified from being eligible for the primary ballot. Petitioners are arguing he should be disqualified under the 14th Amendment.
Whatever happens in this case could be the play-book for other states to follow.
Republican pollie is a crook.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-17/george-santos-wont-seek-reelection-after-damning-ethics-report/103117234
Michael V said:
Republican pollie is a crook.
What a surprise.
SCIENCE said:
LOL
CNN
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Nevada’s attorney general is investigating individuals who acted as fake electors in the state following the 2020 election, a source close to the investigation told CNN.
As part of the plot, six Republicans signed false Electoral College certificates in December 2020 for then-President Donald Trump, who lost the state to Joe Biden – a scheme that spanned several other states: Arizona, Georgia, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin and New Mexico.
Attorney General Aaron Ford’s office declined to comment. Politico first reported the Nevada Democrat’s investigation.
Some of the fake electors in Nevada were provided limited immunity in exchange for federal grand jury testimony in the investigation into Trump and others that prompted charges against the former president in Washington, DC. Trump has denied any wrongdoing.
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/11/16/politics/nevada-attorney-general-fake-electors/index.html
https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/david-depape-found-guilty-for-attacking-paul-pelosi-nancy-pelosi-husband-0773419c
Paul Pelosi’s Attacker Found Guilty on Federal Charges
David DePape broke into the Pelosi’s San Francisco home last year, with plans to kidnap the California representative
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/11/16/politics/depape-verdict-guilty/index.html
CNN —
A jury has found David DePape guilty on two counts in the violent attack on Paul Pelosi, the husband of former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, last year in the couple’s San Francisco home.
DePape was convicted in federal court of one count of assault on the immediate family member of a federal official, with the jury determining that he used a dangerous weapon, and a second count of attempted kidnapping of a federal official. He could face a maximum sentence of 30 years and 20 years on the charges, respectively.
In court Thursday, DePape had no visible reaction to the verdict. The conviction followed high-profile testimony from DePape in his own defense and from Pelosi, who recounted publicly for the first time the night that he was bludgeoned with a hammer and the difficult recovery that followed.
The harrowing October 2022 attack sent shockwaves through Washington at a time of rising threats against public officials, raising fresh concern over violence driven by increasingly hostile political rhetoric and partisan animosity. Congressional lawmakers reflected at the time on their safety as fears of political violence remained heightened in the wake of the January 6, 2021, US Capitol attack and other incidents targeting members of Congress in recent years. Then-House Speaker Nancy Pelosi ultimately factored the attack into her decision to step down from her leadership post.
In a statement released after the verdict, Nancy Pelosi’s spokesman said the California lawmaker and her family are “grateful for the outpouring of prayers,” adding that Paul Pelosi has demonstrated “extraordinary composure and courage” in the courtroom this week.
Still, “given the ongoing state court proceedings,” the Pelosi family will not be giving further comment, spokesman Aaron Bennett said.
Prosecutors claimed that DePape broke into the Pelosis’ home with “a violent plan to kidnap Nancy Pelosi” and “to hold her hostage.”
DePape’s attorney, Jodi Linker, conceded on the first day of the trial that her client was the one to attack the 83-year-old Paul Pelosi, but argued that his motivation for the assault did not match the charges against him. “This case here is about the why — the why matters. This case is about whether David acted because of, on account of, Nancy Pelosi’s duties as a member of Congress. He didn’t,” Linker had argued to the jury. “And he only struck Paul Pelosi in a quick moment of despair because the police arrived and his larger plan was thwarted.”
Testifying in his own defense on Tuesday, DePape, gave jurors a closer look at his motives before the attack, becoming emotional at times as he shared examples of conspiracy theories he felt were true.
DePape recalled that he was focused on Nancy Pelosi and that her husband, Paul, was not on his list of targets. He was “surprised and confused,” he testified, when he found out that the congresswoman was not home.
“I’m telling him, I have other targets, but if you stop me, I’ll go through you,” DePape said, recounting a conversation with Paul Pelosi, adding that he then reacted and hit him “in the head,” because his plan was “basically ruined.”
In his testimony, Pelosi recounted how he awoke from sleep the night of the attack to see a man with a hammer in his home. That man, later identified by police as DePape, asked where his wife was, he said. “She’s not here. She’s in Washington,” Pelosi recalled answering.
He later came to in a pool of blood after being violently struck in the head following a struggle with DePape, Pelosi said.Pelosi, who underwent surgery to repair a skull fracture and injuries to his hand and arm, told jurors that his recovery has been difficult, with spells of lightheadedness and headaches. “I’ve made the best effort I possibly can to not revisit this,” he said.
The trial, which began last week, also featured testimony from responding San Francisco police officers, FBI agents and United States Capitol Police.
DePape has pleaded not guilty to state charges including attempted murder, burglary and assault, with a trial date expected to be set later this month.
San Francisco District Attorney Brooke Jenkins said following the verdict that her team “will confer with the federal prosecutors and with the victim in this case as we determine what our next steps in the state case will be.”
“Mr. DePape is facing a different set of charges in our case including attempted murder, assault with a deadly weapon, elder abuse, and false imprisonment. We are confident in our case and are prepared to move forward to trial,” Jenkins said.
A Colorado judge has rejected an attempt to remove former President Donald Trump from the state’s 2024 primary ballot based on the claim that he is constitutionally barred from office because of the January 6, 2021, insurrection.
Wallace said she was keeping the former president on the ballot because the 14th Amendment’s “insurrectionist ban” does not apply to presidents, though she found that “Trump engaged in an insurrection on January 6, 2021 through incitement, and that the First Amendment does not protect Trump’s speech.”
dv said:
A Colorado judge has rejected an attempt to remove former President Donald Trump from the state’s 2024 primary ballot based on the claim that he is constitutionally barred from office because of the January 6, 2021, insurrection.
Wallace said she was keeping the former president on the ballot because the 14th Amendment’s “insurrectionist ban” does not apply to presidents, though she found that “Trump engaged in an insurrection on January 6, 2021 through incitement, and that the First Amendment does not protect Trump’s speech.”
Bugger.
Michael V said:
dv said:A Colorado judge has rejected an attempt to remove former President Donald Trump from the state’s 2024 primary ballot based on the claim that he is constitutionally barred from office because of the January 6, 2021, insurrection.
Wallace said she was keeping the former president on the ballot because the 14th Amendment’s “insurrectionist ban” does not apply to presidents, though she found that “Trump engaged in an insurrection on January 6, 2021 through incitement, and that the First Amendment does not protect Trump’s speech.”
Bugger.
I’ve tried to have a trumpless day today, but I saw something about this. Then another thing about how he has put his foot in his mouth again around January 6 and implicated himself once again via verbal diarrhoea.
He’s exhausting. I think we’re all just going to run out out energy and just make him king of the world.
dv said:
A Colorado judge has rejected an attempt to remove former President Donald Trump from the state’s 2024 primary ballot based on the claim that he is constitutionally barred from office because of the January 6, 2021, insurrection.
Wallace said she was keeping the former president on the ballot because the 14th Amendment’s “insurrectionist ban” does not apply to presidents, though she found that “Trump engaged in an insurrection on January 6, 2021 through incitement, and that the First Amendment does not protect Trump’s speech.”
damn.
sarahs mum said:
kii said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
A Colorado judge has rejected an attempt to remove former President Donald Trump from the state’s 2024 primary ballot based on the claim that he is constitutionally barred from office because of the January 6, 2021, insurrection.
Wallace said she was keeping the former president on the ballot because the 14th Amendment’s “insurrectionist ban” does not apply to presidents, though she found that “Trump engaged in an insurrection on January 6, 2021 through incitement, and that the First Amendment does not protect Trump’s speech.”
Bugger.
I’ve tried to have a trumpless day today, but I saw something about this. Then another thing about how he has put his foot in his mouth again around January 6 and implicated himself once again via verbal diarrhoea.
He’s exhausting. I think we’re all just going to run out out energy and just make him king of the world.
damn.
So presidents don’t use offices or ovals is what we gather ¿
Americans Give Thanks To Dead Communist
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-19/medical-debt-casey-mcintyre/103123342
SCIENCE said:
Americans Give Thanks To Dead Communist
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-19/medical-debt-casey-mcintyre/103123342
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
Americans Give Thanks To Dead Communist
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-19/medical-debt-casey-mcintyre/103123342
Ha!
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/nov/17/mike-johnson-january-6-video-footage
House speaker Mike Johnson said Friday he plans to publicly release thousands of hours of footage from the January 6, 2021, attack on the US Capitol, making good on a promise he made to far-right members of his party when he was campaigning for his current job.
dv said:
Until you’ve been bribed by the NRA with $5m in unmarked Swiss bank accounts, you’re focusing on the wrong disinformation.
dv said:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/nov/17/mike-johnson-january-6-video-footageHouse speaker Mike Johnson said Friday he plans to publicly release thousands of hours of footage from the January 6, 2021, attack on the US Capitol, making good on a promise he made to far-right members of his party when he was campaigning for his current job.
Sounds an odd thing to do. I mean why release so much evidence of an insurrection?
https://www.facebook.com/reel/1313267606243544?mibextid=BhObA4&s=yWDuG2&fs=e
Bay of Pigs, 1961
Colourised
dv said:
https://www.facebook.com/reel/1313267606243544?mibextid=BhObA4&s=yWDuG2&fs=e
Bay of Pigs, 1961
Colourised
they’re cats.
https://youtu.be/frxGbO6y2HQ?si=IrpUM8qA2hLkVaUW
Congressional Republicans continue to push dumb-as-shit Jan 6 conspiracy theories
A federal appeals court issued a ruling Monday declaring that only the U.S. government, not private citizens and civil rights groups, can sue under the Voting Rights Act, a decision that would deal a major blow to the anti-discriminatory protections included in the landmark law.
The ruling, issued by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 8th Circuit, said only the U.S. attorney general has the power to introduce legal challenges under Section 2 of the Voting Rights Act, which prohibits voting practices or procedures that discriminate on the basis of race, color or language of minority groups.
https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4319132-court-says-private-citizens-civil-rights-groups-cant-sue-under-voting-rights-act/
Car blows up at Niagara Falls near the border crossing. Possible terrorist incident. Thanksgiving is tomorrow.
There has been a 3% swing to Democrats In Utah’s 2nd district special election but the Republican candidate will still win the seat.
https://youtu.be/HJrDCer33Pk?si=r2cby4v4nil1kytp
Chief Justice Roberts and the campaign against the extension of voting rights
I’m finding it’s often hard to talk to conservative Americans online these days because they really are in a post-fact world. Obviously I have disagreements with centre-right folks in Australia but they’ll often have a reasoned response.
rn I’m talking about violent crime and are bringing the data to people who try to paint NY or Illinois as hypercholesterolaemia but the murdery states are all in the deep south. Their response is always to just refute external reality and rely on their gut feelings.
dv said:
I’m finding it’s often hard to talk to conservative Americans online these days because they really are in a post-fact world. Obviously I have disagreements with centre-right folks in Australia but they’ll often have a reasoned response.
rn I’m talking about violent crime and are bringing the data to people who try to paint NY or Illinois as hypercholesterolaemia but the murdery states are all in the deep south. Their response is always to just refute external reality and rely on their gut feelings.
Texas is surprisingly low.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
I’m finding it’s often hard to talk to conservative Americans online these days because they really are in a post-fact world. Obviously I have disagreements with centre-right folks in Australia but they’ll often have a reasoned response.
rn I’m talking about violent crime and are bringing the data to people who try to paint NY or Illinois as hypercholesterolaemia but the murdery states are all in the deep south. Their response is always to just refute external reality and rely on their gut feelings.
Texas is surprisingly low.
Possibly Texas has a different understanding of the word homicide.
Tamb said:
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
I’m finding it’s often hard to talk to conservative Americans online these days because they really are in a post-fact world. Obviously I have disagreements with centre-right folks in Australia but they’ll often have a reasoned response.
rn I’m talking about violent crime and are bringing the data to people who try to paint NY or Illinois as hypercholesterolaemia but the murdery states are all in the deep south. Their response is always to just refute external reality and rely on their gut feelings.
Texas is surprisingly low.
Possibly Texas has a different understanding of the word homicide.
This.
dv said:
I’m finding it’s often hard to talk to conservative Americans online these days because they really are in a post-fact world. Obviously I have disagreements with centre-right folks in Australia but they’ll often have a reasoned response.
rn I’m talking about violent crime and are bringing the data to people who try to paint NY or Illinois as hypercholesterolaemia but the murdery states are all in the deep south. Their response is always to just refute external reality and rely on their gut feelings.
Pfft.
None of them can hold a candle to Midsomer county.
dv said:
I’m finding it’s often hard to talk to conservative Americans online these days because they really are in a post-fact world. Obviously I have disagreements with centre-right folks in Australia but they’ll often have a reasoned response.
rn I’m talking about violent crime and are bringing the data to people who try to paint NY or Illinois as hypercholesterolaemia but the murdery states are all in the deep south. Their response is always to just refute external reality and rely on their gut feelings.
Hang on….hypercholesterolaemia?
kii said:
dv said:
I’m finding it’s often hard to talk to conservative Americans online these days because they really are in a post-fact world. Obviously I have disagreements with centre-right folks in Australia but they’ll often have a reasoned response.
rn I’m talking about violent crime and are bringing the data to people who try to paint NY or Illinois as hypercholesterolaemia but the murdery states are all in the deep south. Their response is always to just refute external reality and rely on their gut feelings.
Hang on….hypercholesterolaemia?
Fat bastards.
dv said:
I’m finding it’s often hard to talk to conservative Americans online these days because they really are in a post-fact world. Obviously I have disagreements with centre-right folks in Australia but they’ll often have a reasoned response.
rn I’m talking about violent crime and are bringing the data to people who try to paint NY or Illinois as hypercholesterolaemia but the murdery states are all in the deep south. Their response is always to just refute external reality and rely on their gut feelings.
On the map, why do they use an age-standardized death rate rather than just a death rate? Like, wouldn’t that remove a lot of the inner-city gang violence in big cities north of Richmond from the equation, what with these city gangsters mostly being on the younger side?
Tamb said:
kii said:
dv said:
I’m finding it’s often hard to talk to conservative Americans online these days because they really are in a post-fact world. Obviously I have disagreements with centre-right folks in Australia but they’ll often have a reasoned response.
rn I’m talking about violent crime and are bringing the data to people who try to paint NY or Illinois as hypercholesterolaemia but the murdery states are all in the deep south. Their response is always to just refute external reality and rely on their gut feelings.
Hang on….hypercholesterolaemia?
Fat bastards.
Good point, maybe the medical care is just better there so murder gets prevented but shootings are greater.
esselte said:
dv said:
I’m finding it’s often hard to talk to conservative Americans online these days because they really are in a post-fact world. Obviously I have disagreements with centre-right folks in Australia but they’ll often have a reasoned response.
rn I’m talking about violent crime and are bringing the data to people who try to paint NY or Illinois as hypercholesterolaemia but the murdery states are all in the deep south. Their response is always to just refute external reality and rely on their gut feelings.
On the map, why do they use an age-standardized death rate rather than just a death rate? Like, wouldn’t that remove a lot of the inner-city gang violence in big cities north of Richmond from the equation, what with these city gangsters mostly being on the younger side?
The straight homicide rates basically tell the same story. Perhaps the prevalence of actual harm from gang related violence looms larger in your mind than in reality?
Regarding Texas, it’s very much it’s own thing, with different political trends from Alabama and Mississippi etc. More or less a purple state with quite close elections between Democrats and Republicans.
Oh and to you too Mr President
https://www.businessinsider.com/ftx-ftx-trading-fish-in-prison-for-services-crypto-2023-11
I mean at least a fish is worth something
dv said:
https://www.businessinsider.com/ftx-ftx-trading-fish-in-prison-for-services-crypto-2023-11
I mean at least a fish is worth something
‘…trading fish…’?
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
https://www.businessinsider.com/ftx-ftx-trading-fish-in-prison-for-services-crypto-2023-11
I mean at least a fish is worth something
‘…trading fish…’?
Ah, i see, article explains that cans of fish are a currency substitute.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
https://www.businessinsider.com/ftx-ftx-trading-fish-in-prison-for-services-crypto-2023-11
I mean at least a fish is worth something
‘…trading fish…’?
Ah, i see, article explains that cans of fish are a currency substitute.
dv said:
https://www.businessinsider.com/ftx-ftx-trading-fish-in-prison-for-services-crypto-2023-11
I mean at least a fish is worth something
phish
dv said:
Then They Realised “America” Is Synonymous With “The World”
‘Damning’: New Pence notes point to GOP senator’s role in Jan. 6 plot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q39MXHUEKF0
Pence’s book stated that he told Trump:
“You know, I don’t think I have the authority to change the outcome.”
Pence told investigators what he said was, “You know I don’t think I have the authority to change the outcome.”
https://www.msnbc.com/deadline-white-house/deadline-legal-blog/punctuation-somehow-plays-role-trumps-jan-6-case-rcna126989
Henry Kissinger died. Mandela effect, I thought he died twenty years ago 🤷🏻♀️
Divine Angel said:
Henry Kissinger died. Mandela effect, I thought he died twenty years ago 🤷🏻♀️
Well, if there’s a Heaven, i know where Henry’s going.
And it’s not there.
One less war criminal stealing oxygen: Kissinger dead at 100.
US economy grew at 5.2% pa in the third quarter. US economy is now growing faster than that of China.
https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/us-third-quarter-economic-growth-revised-up-52-2023-11-29/
dv said:
One less war criminal stealing oxygen: Kissinger dead at 100.
Praise the Lord.
dv said:
One less war criminal stealing oxygen: Kissinger dead at 100.
Only his body is dead
dv said:
US economy grew at 5.2% pa in the third quarter. US economy is now growing faster than that of China.
https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/us-third-quarter-economic-growth-revised-up-52-2023-11-29/
Thank Isrussiael For Wars ¡
Cymek said:
dv said:
One less war criminal stealing oxygen: Kissinger dead at 100.
Only his body is dead
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En7bhLPso2Y
dv said:
One less war criminal stealing oxygen: Kissinger dead at 100.
dv said:
One less war criminal stealing oxygen: Kissinger dead at 100.
The bastard.
It’s all well ad good being vindictive now that he’s dead, but being proactive when he was alive might have had more effect.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
One less war criminal stealing oxygen: Kissinger dead at 100.
The bastard.
It’s all well ad good being vindictive now that he’s dead, but being proactive when he was alive might have had more effect.
Agreed, but he never seemed to be within range.
captain_spalding said:
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
One less war criminal stealing oxygen: Kissinger dead at 100.
The bastard.
It’s all well ad good being vindictive now that he’s dead, but being proactive when he was alive might have had more effect.
Agreed, but he never seemed to be within range.
My point exactly.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
One less war criminal stealing oxygen: Kissinger dead at 100.
The bastard.
It’s all well ad good being vindictive now that he’s dead, but being proactive when he was alive might have had more effect.
Oh you think he just up and died of natural causes? I’ve said too much.
Some chuckleheaded US Democrat voters are threatening to refuse to vote at the next election, due to Biden’s support for Israel.
As Alon Pinkas opines, they’ll get the Trump they deserve:
>….If young Americans – whether they be Muslim Americans in Michigan, university students in Wisconsin, or Black and Latino voters in Pennsylvania – do not vote, and enable America to descend into Trump’s pronounced, unconcealed fascism, that says more about America’s grim political state of affairs than about Biden’s pro-Israel inclinations, his Mideast policy or how Israel is conducting its war in Gaza.
Any American who voted for Biden in 2020 who chooses not to vote for Biden in 2024 because of Gaza deserves to live in a Trumpian America. It’s that simple. Incidentally, whatever they may object to and detest about Netanyahu’s Israel – for good reason – will be fortified with industrial-strength steroids under Trump, not mitigated.
Stay home because of Gaza and you’ll enjoy the full package deal: all abortions made illegal; same-sex marriage possibly reversed; freedom of speech and the media curtailed; the judiciary stripped of independent powers; checks and balances violently dismantled; the United States maybe withdrawing from NATO; immigrants put in internment camps; corruption rampant. But hey, we are pure, we are righteously indignant and we are so smart – we showed Biden how much we disapprove of his pro-Israel stance. Now we can happily go back to TikTok and share more pizza videos.
Don’t Like Biden Backing Netanyahu’s Israel? Trump’s America Will Be Far Worse
Bubblecar said:
Some chuckleheaded US Democrat voters are threatening to refuse to vote at the next election, due to Biden’s support for Israel.As Alon Pinkas opines, they’ll get the Trump they deserve:
>….If young Americans – whether they be Muslim Americans in Michigan, university students in Wisconsin, or Black and Latino voters in Pennsylvania – do not vote, and enable America to descend into Trump’s pronounced, unconcealed fascism, that says more about America’s grim political state of affairs than about Biden’s pro-Israel inclinations, his Mideast policy or how Israel is conducting its war in Gaza.
Any American who voted for Biden in 2020 who chooses not to vote for Biden in 2024 because of Gaza deserves to live in a Trumpian America. It’s that simple. Incidentally, whatever they may object to and detest about Netanyahu’s Israel – for good reason – will be fortified with industrial-strength steroids under Trump, not mitigated.
Stay home because of Gaza and you’ll enjoy the full package deal: all abortions made illegal; same-sex marriage possibly reversed; freedom of speech and the media curtailed; the judiciary stripped of independent powers; checks and balances violently dismantled; the United States maybe withdrawing from NATO; immigrants put in internment camps; corruption rampant. But hey, we are pure, we are righteously indignant and we are so smart – we showed Biden how much we disapprove of his pro-Israel stance. Now we can happily go back to TikTok and share more pizza videos.
Don’t Like Biden Backing Netanyahu’s Israel? Trump’s America Will Be Far Worse
They may forget that Trump was and is a supporter of Israel.
I suppose we have to hope and pray that they grow up some time between now and November 2024.
Donald Trump renewed attacks on the wife of the judge in the New York civil fraud trial of his business empire, before and almost immediately after an appellate court on Thursday reinstated a gag order against him in the case.
The New York appellate court decided to reapply the gag order that barred the former US president and his lawyers from making public statements about court staff in his civil fraud trial, court records showed.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/nov/30/court-reinstates-trump-gag-order-fraud-trial
dv said:
Donald Trump renewed attacks on the wife of the judge in the New York civil fraud trial of his business empire, before and almost immediately after an appellate court on Thursday reinstated a gag order against him in the case.The New York appellate court decided to reapply the gag order that barred the former US president and his lawyers from making public statements about court staff in his civil fraud trial, court records showed.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/nov/30/court-reinstates-trump-gag-order-fraud-trial
Right now, that man is more of a threat to the security and future of the US than China and Russia, separately or combined, have ever been.
https://www.teenvogue.com/story/henry-kissinger-dead-100-oped
Thanks, Teen Vogue
George Santos gone.
kii said:
George Santos gone.
Did someone shoot him?
roughbarked said:
kii said:
George Santos gone.
Did someone shoot him?
Expelled from Congress (US House of Representatives).
Michael V said:
roughbarked said:
kii said:
George Santos gone.
Did someone shoot him?
Expelled from Congress (US House of Representatives).
OK
kii said:
George Santos gone.
This is him being sworn in.
What’s up with these goombahs and their hand gestures?
dv said:
kii said:
George Santos gone.
This is him being sworn in.
What’s up with these goombahs and their hand gestures?
Gays are very expressive.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
kii said:
George Santos gone.
This is him being sworn in.
What’s up with these goombahs and their hand gestures?
Gays are very expressive.
Lol
dv said:
kii said:
George Santos gone.
This is him being sworn in.
What’s up with these goombahs and their hand gestures?
He’s such a dangerous cartoon of a man.
I’ve got strawberries, blue berries rockmellon and pawpaw.
Now I know that strawberries and blueberries goes with cream, not so sure about pawpaw and rockmellon
Peak Warming Man said:
I’ve got strawberries, blue berries rockmellon and pawpaw.
Now I know that strawberries and blueberries goes with cream, not so sure about pawpaw and rockmellon
Do you think this will affect the primaries?
Any fans of DeSantis watch the debate he had with the CA Governor? Gavin Newsom?
kii said:
dv said:
kii said:
George Santos gone.
This is him being sworn in.
What’s up with these goombahs and their hand gestures?
He’s such a dangerous cartoon of a man.
A lot of Americans in public life seem to get there at least partly on the basis of their ability to present themselves as caricatures or stereotypes of various personalities and roles.
But even that doesn’t explain why so many of them seem keen for the return to the Oval Office of a representation of Daffy Duck.
There will be a special election for Santos’s district, NY-3, in Feb 2024.
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
I’ve got strawberries, blue berries rockmellon and pawpaw.
Now I know that strawberries and blueberries goes with cream, not so sure about pawpaw and rockmellon
Do you think this will affect the primaries?
LOL………der.
The court said in a statement Ms O’Connor died in Phoenix of complications related to advanced dementia and a respiratory illness.
buffy said:
Another judge not on Trump’s side
It’s like these people have an addiction to the rule of law
dv said:
buffy said:
Another judge not on Trump’s side
It’s like these people have an addiction to the rule of law
For DJT, it’s been a harsh introduction to the existence of the concept.
Ogmog said:
TRUMP DERANGEMENT SYNDROME
PMSL….
More accurately, TIDS
trump is deranged syndrome…
(as well as the majority of the current GQP, and his cult supporters…)
boppa said:
Ogmog said:
TRUMP DERANGEMENT SYNDROME
PMSL….
More accurately, TIDS
trump is deranged syndrome…
(as well as the majority of the current GQP, and his cult supporters…)
there’s so many of those supporters. so much st00pid.
sarahs mum said:
boppa said:
Ogmog said:
TRUMP DERANGEMENT SYNDROME
PMSL….
More accurately, TIDS
trump is deranged syndrome…
(as well as the majority of the current GQP, and his cult supporters…)
there’s so many of those supporters. so much st00pid.
I thought TDS was used by his supporters against the normal humans.
boppa said:
Ogmog said:
TRUMP DERANGEMENT SYNDROME
PMSL….
More accurately, TIDS
trump is deranged syndrome…
(as well as the majority of the current GQP, and his cult supporters…)
How can we be assured that he’s not a deep fake from AI?
kii said:
Any fans of DeSantis watch the debate he had with the CA Governor? Gavin Newsom?
He has fans?
captain_spalding said:
dark
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:
dark
Very.
Four Republicans have qualified for the 4th debate on Wednesday: Haley, DeSantis, Ramaswamy and Christie.
https://www.npr.org/2023/12/05/1217282237/liz-cheney-oath-and-honor-memoir
Listening to this. I’ve seen a few short interviews with Cheney about her book. She continues to impress me with her intelligence, but we don’t have much in common regarding social and world issues.
kii said:
https://www.npr.org/2023/12/05/1217282237/liz-cheney-oath-and-honor-memoirListening to this. I’ve seen a few short interviews with Cheney about her book. She continues to impress me with her intelligence, but we don’t have much in common regarding social and world issues.
She’d improve her creditability if she quit the republicans and joined the democrats.
roughbarked said:
kii said:
https://www.npr.org/2023/12/05/1217282237/liz-cheney-oath-and-honor-memoirListening to this. I’ve seen a few short interviews with Cheney about her book. She continues to impress me with her intelligence, but we don’t have much in common regarding social and world issues.
She’d improve her creditability if she quit the republicans and joined the democrats.
Do some research. She’s been ousted by the GOP.
kii said:
roughbarked said:
kii said:
https://www.npr.org/2023/12/05/1217282237/liz-cheney-oath-and-honor-memoirListening to this. I’ve seen a few short interviews with Cheney about her book. She continues to impress me with her intelligence, but we don’t have much in common regarding social and world issues.
She’d improve her creditability if she quit the republicans and joined the democrats.
Do some research. She’s been ousted by the GOP.
Yes. However, I’m really not a student of US political system. I would though expect that being out of the GOP could only improve one’s mental health capacity.
https://youtu.be/edAuRnWbqxE?si=zQd2hwFsv3hy2MNJ
Ari Melber discussing coups and trump with Bill Kristol and Mark Leibovich
Robert De Niro and The Gotham Awards speech. Attempted censorship.
You can Google it if you want.
More stuff from Jack Smith, A Trump social media post from 2012 is referred to – Obama/Romney and votes being changed.
CNN
—
House Speaker Mike Johnson said Tuesday that before publicly releasing footage of the US Capitol attack on January 6, 2021, the faces of the mob will be blurred to protect them from the Justice Department.
The Louisiana Republican said during a news conference that he wants to make sure rioters don’t get prosecuted.
“We’re going through a methodical process of releasing them as quickly as we can,” Johnson said. “As you know, we have to blur some of the faces of persons who participated in events of that day because we don’t want them to be retaliated against and to be charged by the DOJ and to have other, you know, concerns and problems.”
——
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/12/05/politics/mike-johnson/index.html
dv said:
CNN —
House Speaker Mike Johnson said Tuesday that before publicly releasing footage of the US Capitol attack on January 6, 2021, the faces of the mob will be blurred to protect them from the Justice Department.The Louisiana Republican said during a news conference that he wants to make sure rioters don’t get prosecuted.
“We’re going through a methodical process of releasing them as quickly as we can,” Johnson said. “As you know, we have to blur some of the faces of persons who participated in events of that day because we don’t want them to be retaliated against and to be charged by the DOJ and to have other, you know, concerns and problems.”
——
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/12/05/politics/mike-johnson/index.html
Anti-democracy.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
CNN —
House Speaker Mike Johnson said Tuesday that before publicly releasing footage of the US Capitol attack on January 6, 2021, the faces of the mob will be blurred to protect them from the Justice Department.The Louisiana Republican said during a news conference that he wants to make sure rioters don’t get prosecuted.
“We’re going through a methodical process of releasing them as quickly as we can,” Johnson said. “As you know, we have to blur some of the faces of persons who participated in events of that day because we don’t want them to be retaliated against and to be charged by the DOJ and to have other, you know, concerns and problems.”
——
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/12/05/politics/mike-johnson/index.htmlAnti-democracy.
Surely all that footage has been seen before now?
roughbarked said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
CNN —
House Speaker Mike Johnson said Tuesday that before publicly releasing footage of the US Capitol attack on January 6, 2021, the faces of the mob will be blurred to protect them from the Justice Department.The Louisiana Republican said during a news conference that he wants to make sure rioters don’t get prosecuted.
“We’re going through a methodical process of releasing them as quickly as we can,” Johnson said. “As you know, we have to blur some of the faces of persons who participated in events of that day because we don’t want them to be retaliated against and to be charged by the DOJ and to have other, you know, concerns and problems.”
——
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/12/05/politics/mike-johnson/index.htmlAnti-democracy.
Surely all that footage has been seen before now?
One would hope that they’ve at least been seen by law enforcement.
Vivek Ranaswamy doing a great job making the other three candidates look good.
“Why am I the only person on this stage, at least, who can say that Jan. 6 now does look like it was an inside job? That the government lied to us for 20 years about Saudi Arabia’s involvement in 9/11? That the great replacement theory is not some grand right-wing conspiracy theory, but a basic statement of the Democratic Party’s platform? That the 2020 election was indeed stolen by Big Tech?”
Still, he knows his audience… got rapturous applause
‘Here’s what Trump 2.0 will bring: ignorance and vengeance in the US, chaos for world order’
This year has been dominated by the Russia-Ukraine war, recession, the China-US standoff, and the Hamas terrorist attack and Gaza war. Yet as earth-shattering as these conflicts and tragedies are, the next two years could aggravate them and surpass them all if the threat of a second Trump presidency comes to pass. At a moment that urgently needs a firefighter to stamp out the embers of conflict, Americans and the rest of the world may find an arsonist in the White House. It is not just the survival of American democracy that will be on the ballot in 2024 but stability and progress everywhere.
A second Trump administration, in which he has brazenly vowed to be a dictator on day one, would be a disaster. Domestically, Trump’s “new independence” is no longer just an economic agenda. Gone is the 2016 talk of massive deregulation, privatisation of public services and big tax cuts. Instead, his policies are based on his personal prejudices and his desire for vengeance …
Gordon Brown, UK prime minister from 2007 to 2010
AussieDJ said:
‘Here’s what Trump 2.0 will bring: ignorance and vengeance in the US, chaos for world order’This year has been dominated by the Russia-Ukraine war, recession, the China-US standoff, and the Hamas terrorist attack and Gaza war. Yet as earth-shattering as these conflicts and tragedies are, the next two years could aggravate them and surpass them all if the threat of a second Trump presidency comes to pass. At a moment that urgently needs a firefighter to stamp out the embers of conflict, Americans and the rest of the world may find an arsonist in the White House. It is not just the survival of American democracy that will be on the ballot in 2024 but stability and progress everywhere.
A second Trump administration, in which he has brazenly vowed to be a dictator on day one, would be a disaster. Domestically, Trump’s “new independence” is no longer just an economic agenda. Gone is the 2016 talk of massive deregulation, privatisation of public services and big tax cuts. Instead, his policies are based on his personal prejudices and his desire for vengeance …
Gordon Brown, UK prime minister from 2007 to 2010
I know it might be boring for some people here in the HF, but this will greatly impact Australia.
In 2016 it was hard explaining to my non-political* husband about the terrors that a trump presidency would be like. I pointed out his privilege of being a white, straight man. Of being retired military and how he could pass as a Christian. Also being American-born.
He assured me that the “checks & balances” would protect the country.
*He said that being in the military you were “encouraged” to be non-political, and historically the Republicans supported ($$$$) the military more than the Democrats.
Anyway…
kii said:
AussieDJ said:
‘Here’s what Trump 2.0 will bring: ignorance and vengeance in the US, chaos for world order’This year has been dominated by the Russia-Ukraine war, recession, the China-US standoff, and the Hamas terrorist attack and Gaza war. Yet as earth-shattering as these conflicts and tragedies are, the next two years could aggravate them and surpass them all if the threat of a second Trump presidency comes to pass. At a moment that urgently needs a firefighter to stamp out the embers of conflict, Americans and the rest of the world may find an arsonist in the White House. It is not just the survival of American democracy that will be on the ballot in 2024 but stability and progress everywhere.
A second Trump administration, in which he has brazenly vowed to be a dictator on day one, would be a disaster. Domestically, Trump’s “new independence” is no longer just an economic agenda. Gone is the 2016 talk of massive deregulation, privatisation of public services and big tax cuts. Instead, his policies are based on his personal prejudices and his desire for vengeance …
Gordon Brown, UK prime minister from 2007 to 2010
I know it might be boring for some people here in the HF, but this will greatly impact Australia.
In 2016 it was hard explaining to my non-political* husband about the terrors that a trump presidency would be like. I pointed out his privilege of being a white, straight man. Of being retired military and how he could pass as a Christian. Also being American-born.
He assured me that the “checks & balances” would protect the country.
*He said that being in the military you were “encouraged” to be non-political, and historically the Republicans supported ($$$$) the military more than the Democrats.
Anyway…
seems to me that the republicans support and fund police too. as long as it is black people being policed.
sarahs mum said:
kii said:
AussieDJ said:
‘Here’s what Trump 2.0 will bring: ignorance and vengeance in the US, chaos for world order’This year has been dominated by the Russia-Ukraine war, recession, the China-US standoff, and the Hamas terrorist attack and Gaza war. Yet as earth-shattering as these conflicts and tragedies are, the next two years could aggravate them and surpass them all if the threat of a second Trump presidency comes to pass. At a moment that urgently needs a firefighter to stamp out the embers of conflict, Americans and the rest of the world may find an arsonist in the White House. It is not just the survival of American democracy that will be on the ballot in 2024 but stability and progress everywhere.
A second Trump administration, in which he has brazenly vowed to be a dictator on day one, would be a disaster. Domestically, Trump’s “new independence” is no longer just an economic agenda. Gone is the 2016 talk of massive deregulation, privatisation of public services and big tax cuts. Instead, his policies are based on his personal prejudices and his desire for vengeance …
Gordon Brown, UK prime minister from 2007 to 2010
I know it might be boring for some people here in the HF, but this will greatly impact Australia.
In 2016 it was hard explaining to my non-political* husband about the terrors that a trump presidency would be like. I pointed out his privilege of being a white, straight man. Of being retired military and how he could pass as a Christian. Also being American-born.
He assured me that the “checks & balances” would protect the country.
*He said that being in the military you were “encouraged” to be non-political, and historically the Republicans supported ($$$$) the military more than the Democrats.
Anyway…
seems to me that the republicans support and fund police too. as long as it is black people being policed.
Don’t forget “ANTIFA” and any progressive whites need policing.
A Texas judge has ruled that a woman with a complicated, likely non-viable pregnancy can get an abortion, in what her lawyers say is the first such case since the US Supreme Court last year allowed states to ban abortion.
OCDC said:
A Texas judge has ruled that a woman with a complicated, likely non-viable pregnancy can get an abortion, in what her lawyers say is the first such case since the US Supreme Court last year allowed states to ban abortion.
Imagine living in a place with such draconian rules?
OCDC said:
A Texas judge has ruled that a woman with a complicated, likely non-viable pregnancy can get an abortion, in what her lawyers say is the first such case since the US Supreme Court last year allowed states to ban abortion.
Pure evil.
OCDC said:
A Texas judge has ruled that a woman with a complicated, likely non-viable pregnancy can get an abortion, in what her lawyers say is the first such case since the US Supreme Court last year allowed states to ban abortion.
but come on.. the law was never meant to stop married, 31 y.o. woman that want to be parents from potentially ever have kids.. it’s the promiscuous teens and twenty somethings that are just out having unprotected sex that are the problem..
right…
roughbarked said:
OCDC said:
A Texas judge has ruled that a woman with a complicated, likely non-viable pregnancy can get an abortion, in what her lawyers say is the first such case since the US Supreme Court last year allowed states to ban abortion.
Imagine living in a place with such draconian rules?
At the last US federal elections, there were 75 million people welcoming it.
Neophyte said:
roughbarked said:
OCDC said:
A Texas judge has ruled that a woman with a complicated, likely non-viable pregnancy can get an abortion, in what her lawyers say is the first such case since the US Supreme Court last year allowed states to ban abortion.
Imagine living in a place with such draconian rules?
At the last US federal elections, there were 75 million people welcoming it.
I know a few who disliked trump, but voted for him because of the abortion issue.
roughbarked said:
OCDC said:
A Texas judge has ruled that a woman with a complicated, likely non-viable pregnancy can get an abortion, in what her lawyers say is the first such case since the US Supreme Court last year allowed states to ban abortion.
Imagine living in a place with such draconian rules?
It was completely illegal to have and abortion, or provide abortion services in Queensland until 2018
Neophyte said:
roughbarked said:
OCDC said:
A Texas judge has ruled that a woman with a complicated, likely non-viable pregnancy can get an abortion, in what her lawyers say is the first such case since the US Supreme Court last year allowed states to ban abortion.
Imagine living in a place with such draconian rules?
At the last US federal elections, there were 75 million people welcoming it.
Roe vs Wade was overturned after the 2020 presidential elections. Since then ballot initiatives to expand abortion rights have been quite successful.
diddly-squat said:
roughbarked said:
OCDC said:
A Texas judge has ruled that a woman with a complicated, likely non-viable pregnancy can get an abortion, in what her lawyers say is the first such case since the US Supreme Court last year allowed states to ban abortion.
Imagine living in a place with such draconian rules?
It was completely illegal to have and abortion, or provide abortion services in Queensland until 2018
That’s an overstatement, there were conditions under which an abortion could be approved for medical reasons
dv said:
diddly-squat said:
roughbarked said:Imagine living in a place with such draconian rules?
It was completely illegal to have and abortion, or provide abortion services in Queensland until 2018
That’s an overstatement, there were conditions under which an abortion could be approved for medical reasons
that’s fair…
my point, however, is that until recently there were significant restriction on abortion in parts of Australia
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
diddly-squat said:It was completely illegal to have and abortion, or provide abortion services in Queensland until 2018
That’s an overstatement, there were conditions under which an abortion could be approved for medical reasons
that’s fair…
my point, however, is that until recently there were significant restriction on abortion in parts of Australia
Yes.
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
diddly-squat said:It was completely illegal to have and abortion, or provide abortion services in Queensland until 2018
That’s an overstatement, there were conditions under which an abortion could be approved for medical reasons
that’s fair…
my point, however, is that until recently there were significant restriction on abortion in parts of Australia
Define significant restrictions.
kii said:
diddly-squat said:
dv said:That’s an overstatement, there were conditions under which an abortion could be approved for medical reasons
that’s fair…
my point, however, is that until recently there were significant restriction on abortion in parts of Australia
Define significant restrictions.
In Qld, abortion was a criminal offence in Queensland until 2018. Exceptions could be make if two physicians would confirm that the abortion was to avert grave risk to the gravid.
This was also the case in Victoria until 2008, and Northern Territory until 2017.
Six Nevada Republicans charged with casting fake electoral votes in 2020
State’s attorney general charged the fake electors with two felonies each, with penalties up to five years in prison
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/dec/06/nevada-electors-fake-charged-election-2020
dv said:
Six Nevada Republicans charged with casting fake electoral votes in 2020
State’s attorney general charged the fake electors with two felonies each, with penalties up to five years in prisonhttps://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/dec/06/nevada-electors-fake-charged-election-2020
5 years to consider that that was a good idea at the time.
kii said:
Neophyte said:
roughbarked said:Imagine living in a place with such draconian rules?
At the last US federal elections, there were 75 million people welcoming it.
I know a few who disliked trump, but voted for him because of the abortion issue.
That’s simply terrible.
diddly-squat said:
roughbarked said:
OCDC said:
A Texas judge has ruled that a woman with a complicated, likely non-viable pregnancy can get an abortion, in what her lawyers say is the first such case since the US Supreme Court last year allowed states to ban abortion.
Imagine living in a place with such draconian rules?
It was completely illegal to have and abortion, or provide abortion services in Queensland until 2018
I recall.
roughbarked said:
kii said:
Trump’s sister is dead. Former federal judge Maryanne Trump Barry, 86. Found dead in a NY apartment.
Was she the one who wrote a book about him?
Audiobook Chapter 1
Too Much and Never Enough:
How My Family Created the World’s Most Dangerous Man
by Mary L. Trump (THE Donald’s Niece)
Ogmog said:
roughbarked said:
kii said:
Trump’s sister is dead. Former federal judge Maryanne Trump Barry, 86. Found dead in a NY apartment.
Was she the one who wrote a book about him?
Audiobook Chapter 1
Too Much and Never Enough:
How My Family Created the World’s Most Dangerous Manby Mary L. Trump (THE Donald’s Niece)
Mary L. Trump is his niece. Her father, Trump’s brother, was the one who died from complications due to alcohol.
Maryanne Trump was a judge.
kii said:
Ogmog said:
roughbarked said:Was she the one who wrote a book about him?
Audiobook Chapter 1
Too Much and Never Enough:
How My Family Created the World’s Most Dangerous Manby Mary L. Trump (THE Donald’s Niece)
Mary L. Trump is his niece. Her father, Trump’s brother, was the one who died from complications due to alcohol.
Maryanne Trump was a judge.
Thanks I’ve got them all sorted now.
kii said:
Ogmog said:
roughbarked said:Was she the one who wrote a book about him?
Audiobook Chapter 1
Too Much and Never Enough:
How My Family Created the World’s Most Dangerous Manby Mary L. Trump (THE Donald’s Niece)
Mary L. Trump is his niece. Her father, Trump’s brother, was the one who died from complications due to alcohol.
Maryanne Trump was a judge.
From Wikipedia…
In August 2020, their niece Mary L. Trump revealed that she had surreptitiously audio-recorded 15 hours of discussions with Barry in 2018 and 2019. In those recorded discussions, Barry sharply criticized her brother. Mary publicly released several transcripts and audio excerpts of the conversations, including content that did not previously appear in her 2020 book Too Much and Never Enough.
kii said:
Ogmog said:
roughbarked said:Was she the one who wrote a book about him?
Audiobook Chapter 1
Too Much and Never Enough:
How My Family Created the World’s Most Dangerous Manby Mary L. Trump (THE Donald’s Niece)
Mary L. Trump is his niece. Her father, Trump’s brother, was the one who died from complications due to alcohol.
Maryanne Trump was a judge.
A judge and President of the United States, what a talented family..
Ogmog said:
roughbarked said:
kii said:
Trump’s sister is dead. Former federal judge Maryanne Trump Barry, 86. Found dead in a NY apartment.
Was she the one who wrote a book about him?
Audiobook Chapter 1
Too Much and Never Enough:
How My Family Created the World’s Most Dangerous Manby Mary L. Trump (THE Donald’s Niece)
I’ve only just got home from work. Did she “fall down the stairs” too?
Or was it Polonium tea?
Kingy said:
Ogmog said:
roughbarked said:Was she the one who wrote a book about him?
Audiobook Chapter 1
Too Much and Never Enough:
How My Family Created the World’s Most Dangerous Manby Mary L. Trump (THE Donald’s Niece)
I’ve only just got home from work. Did she “fall down the stairs” too?
Or was it Polonium tea?
Or Markov’s umbrella
Neophyte said:
Kingy said:
Ogmog said:Audiobook Chapter 1
Too Much and Never Enough:
How My Family Created the World’s Most Dangerous Manby Mary L. Trump (THE Donald’s Niece)
I’ve only just got home from work. Did she “fall down the stairs” too?
Or was it Polonium tea?
Or Markov’s umbrella
His Bulgarian Umbrella’
Peak Warming Man said:
Neophyte said:
Kingy said:I’ve only just got home from work. Did she “fall down the stairs” too?
Or was it Polonium tea?
Or Markov’s umbrella
His Bulgarian Umbrella’
Some callous comments by the Texas AG and by this attorney.
“Johnathan Stone, an attorney with the Texas attorney general’s office who represented the state in the hearing, argued that Cox and her husband had not sufficiently demonstrated that they would suffer “immediate and irreparable injury” without an abortion.
“The only party that’s going to suffer an immediate and irreparable harm” if the judge grants the requested order, he said, “is the state.”
Stone pushed instead for an evidentiary hearing, saying an emergency order would lead the couple to get an abortion that “can’t be undone” before the court could fully consider the evidence.”
Small segment of voters will wield outsize power in 2024 presidential race
The electoral college system empowers a sliver of the U.S. population in a diminishing number of battleground states. And the majority may not even prevail.
By Michael Scherer, Clara Ence Morse, Josh Dawsey and Marianne LeVine
December 8, 2023 at 6:00 a.m. EST
Arlando Monk is an increasingly rare find in presidential politics: a voter whose choices matter.
The Black entrepreneur lives in Wisconsin, one of seven expected battlegrounds in the 2024 presidential race. He is registered to vote but not sure he will bother. He has not decided between former president Donald Trump or President Biden, if those are the major-party options.
“If it’s between them, I’m going to say this: Trump was hilarious. He was hilarious,” said Monk, 43, who lives in the Milwaukee area. Biden, meanwhile, has not delivered the change he expected, leaving Monk unsure. “I would say, it’s kind of up in the air.”
If U.S. presidents were selected through the principle of “one person, one vote” that governs legislative races, the ballots of undecided swing-state citizens such as Monk would be worth just as much as the other 150 million or so Americans who are expected to vote next year.
But that is not the system handed down from the nation’s founding fathers, who opted for multiple winner-take-all contests that give greater power to smaller states. The electoral college was supposed to moderate the passions of what Alexander Hamilton called the “general mass,” which he worried could fall prey to candidates with “talents for low intrigue and the little arts of popularity.”
That 18th-century system — which is unlike anything used by the United States’ 21st-century democratic peers — has aged in surprising ways. Premised on the idea that states should each choose electors who would then select a president, the system increasingly distorts the democratic process as partisan divisions grow along geographic lines.
Advances in technology, meanwhile, allow campaigns to calibrate their outreach to only the most persuadable voters. The upshot is that a tiny segment of the population will get an outsize say in who leads the United States. And the will of the majority may not even prevail.
Once rare, the frequency with which the electoral college has skewed the overall result has increased: The “general mass” — now called the popular vote — has been won in two of the past six contests by someone who lost the White House. In both cases, the Republican candidate benefited.
At the same time, the count of swingable states has narrowed. The 2024 presidential campaign is likely to target a smaller share of Americans than at any point in the modern era, despite massive increases in spending due to online fundraising, a Washington Post analysis found.
During the last election, just 10 states and two congressional districts were targeted by Republican or Democratic nominees’ campaigns. It was a precipitous drop from the 26 states on average that were targeted each year between 1952 and 1980, according to a forthcoming book by political scientists Daron R. Shaw, Scott Althaus and Costas Panagopoulos. The research is based on internal campaign documents, interviews with campaign leaders and media reports.
The Washington Post’s analysis found that just 1 in 4 Americans lived in such areas in 2020, down from roughly 3 in 4 in the earlier period. If the major parties do not contest Florida in 2024, as is widely expected, only 18 percent of Americans would live in battlegrounds.
The targeted voters in the decisive states should expect a barrage of communications — on their phones, in their mail, from their friends, family and colleagues, over radio, television, streaming services and social media networks. The rest of the country’s citizens will find themselves on the sidelines, watching the news or the occasional live candidate event with a diminished voice in their own futures. Their vote will still count but is unlikely to decide anything.
“It’s now getting to the point where you are probably talking about 400,000 people in three or four states. That is what it is getting down to,” said Joe Trippi, a Democratic strategist who has worked on presidential campaigns since 1980. “It does mean that more and more people feel that they don’t have a say.”
The geographic sorting of Americans along partisan lines helps explain why. Most of the country resides in red or blue states where the outcome in a two-party race is not in doubt. If a candidate wins California by one vote or 1 million votes, the electoral college outcome is the same, giving candidates no incentive to campaign in places where the outcome can be predicted. Thirty-three states — including giants such as California, New York and Texas — have voted for the same party in each presidential election dating back to 2000.
But geography is not the only way Americans have found themselves excluded. That’s because voter opinions have hardened in recent decades, and technology has improved to allow candidates to target only the individuals they need to reach, sometimes even distinguishing between members of the same household.
“We are in an era of politics where data makes campaign strategy highly sophisticated and specialized, which creates smaller and smaller universes of what we call ‘gettable voters,’” said Republican strategist Mike Shields, one of the architects of his party’s data infrastructure. “Instead of using increased spending to target a broader swath of voters, you have more and more money focused on specific voters that campaigns think will be decisive in the electoral college.”
The shrinking campaign is aided by the fact that many voters are consistent from election to election in their choices about whether to vote and which party to back.
An analysis for The Washington Post from Grassroots Targeting, a Republican data firm, found that the number of voters who split their ticket between parties in their presidential and federal legislative votes has dropped sharply since 2000 in 7 of 8 major battleground states. No more than 3 percent of voters in the 2020 presidential election split their tickets in all those states. In Nevada, the share was just 0.1 percent.
TargetSmart, a Democratic data firm, did another analysis of swings in partisan vote share for the 2012, 2016 and 2020 elections. Despite some double-digit outliers, the average swing in targeted states between elections was close to 5 percent. In the 2020 election, the second in which Trump was on the ballot, turnout rose but the number of voters who changed their party preference was especially small as a wide majority remained locked in.
“It is pretty clear that not all voters are equal,” said Shaw, the political scientist, whose book “Battleground: Electoral College Strategies, Execution, and Impact in the Modern Era” is due out next year. “It’s not just the system. It is the system and the voters it is operating on.”
The data science campaign
The great irony of the shrinking campaigns is that they have never had more money to spend. Advances in online campaign fundraising and changes in campaign finance rules to allow unlimited donations have unleashed billions of dollars in new donations. Political ad spending on the 2024 campaigns is expected to approach $11 billion, a nearly fourfold increase over 2016, with about 1 in 4 dollars going to the presidential race, according to projections by AdImpact.
The vast majority of the ad and organizing dollars is focused on media markets and outlets where the voters who will decide the election reside, as campaigns seek to infiltrate the communities, households or iPhones where the few identified swing voters such as Monk spend their time. The evolving science of figuring out where those few people are has become a growing obsession of the political strategist class, and is the central purpose of Biden’s initial $25 million in advertising this year.
As it stands, the campaign data science cannot predict exactly who will vote or how those who do vote will mark their ballots. But it can create probabilities for each voter on those metrics, crafting digital dossiers that are used by everyone from the campaign bosses to grass-roots volunteers. Those dossiers are then used to hone small universes of potentially persuadable voters who get the most attention. With each election, explains Trippi, the ability to narrow the size of these groups improves.
“We are reducing it and reducing it,” he said, adding that the effort will probably become even more precise once artificial intelligence tools become more involved.
Michael Whatley, the chair of the Republican Party in North Carolina, said his party will focus on less than 2 percent of the votes cast in the swing state.
“We’re looking at 5.5 million votes that will be cast in North Carolina. It’ll be down to 100,000 voters who are undecided going into the election that we’re going to be targeting and communicating with,” he said. “We can target them.”
Ben Wikler, the Democratic Party chair in Wisconsin, said he begins with the assumption that both major parties in his state will get 48 percent of the vote, though the identity of those voters changes from cycle to cycle depending on turnout.
“We look for inconsistent voters who will probably vote for a Democrat if they vote and then we look at ticket splitter or swing voters,” he said.
At the Biden campaign, the early betting is that the outcome of next year’s election will again be very close, with a margin once again hinging on tens of thousands of votes in a few states. Former secretary of state Hillary Clinton, who won the 2016 popular vote by 2.9 million votes, or 2 percent, could have won the electoral college if about 80,000 people in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin had voted differently.
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In 2020, about 45,000 votes in Georgia, Arizona and Wisconsin could have changed the outcome of that race, even though Joe Biden won the popular vote by more than 7 million.
Before 2000, the outcome of the electoral vote had matched the popular vote in every election for more than a century. But in recent years the aberrations have become more common, with mismatches in 2000 and 2016 that enabled the popular vote loser to claim the White House.
In the past two elections, Republicans have had a distinct electoral college advantage. That’s because the tipping-point states that won the election were more Republican-leaning than the country as a whole. In 2020, Wisconsin, the tipping-point state, was 3.5 points more Republican than the country, the highest advantage since 1948.
The shifts have only magnified the need for campaigns to ignore the bigger blue states where Democrats tend to rack up large margins. Biden volunteers are being trained to use a smartphone app that allows them to directly enter information to the party voter file about their friends, family and people they meet from key states to help improve the targeting. Early organizing efforts have focused narrowly on Black, Latino, young and female voters in Arizona and Wisconsin, groups that they now think could be decisive.
Persuading people to participate in the election at all may prove more important than winning them over from the other side. That means campaigns are likely to focus on voters who are among the least politically engaged.
“The people who will decide this election don’t want to participate in it,” said one Democrat who requested anonymity to describe planning for next year.
One person close to Trump, who is not authorized to speak publicly, said most of the campaign’s resources if he wins the nomination will focus on the same seven states that Biden has identified as early targets — Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Nevada, Arizona, Georgia and North Carolina. All were vigorously contested in 2020. If things go well for Trump, the campaign could expand into Virginia and Minnesota.
In some formerly swing states, such as Florida and Ohio, Republicans are unlikely to spend much money. And even in the states up for grabs, the focus will be narrowly defined.
“The reality is: The swingy areas aren’t that swingy anymore. You win an election by going with your base vote plus a swing universe. The swing universe is smaller now because people just put on their uniforms and go vote,” said Justin Clark, the 2020 deputy campaign manager for Trump. “You’ve got to dial in the message in terms of what people care about. It’s a lot of data work, focus grouping, targeting. Really, really digging in and finding voters. You’re in an election where everything is on the margins. You have to find that group of 10,000 votes.”
Clark said that in the 2020 campaign, Trump and his team looked for particular issues in key states to move groups of voters, such as the Lumbee Indians in North Carolina, a population of about 55,000 that the Republican National Committee recently opened an office to target. “You’re talking about raw numbers of voters in the thousands that are winning and losing presidential elections. You’ve got to find those votes and move them. You’re talking about crazy small margins here,” he said.
The legacy of 1787
At the root of this dynamic is the antiquated assumption at the heart of U.S. presidential politics — that regular people cannot be trusted to directly select America’s leader. Enslaved people, Native Americans and women had no vote in the original U.S. Constitution. The White, landowning men who did were seen as susceptible to their own passions and selfish interest. Electors, by contrast, were expected to be enlightened and above the fray.
“The people choose the electors,” James Madison, a drafter of the U.S. Constitution, said during the debate. “This can be done with ease and convenience, and will render the choice more judicious.”
To this day, courts have ruled that electors, chosen by state ballots and selected with the help of campaigns they are intended to support, have the ability to change their mind before selecting a president, unless otherwise barred by state law.
Throughout history, the number of electors who have defied their state’s will has been small, peaking at 10 in 2016 who defied their instructions to support Trump. In 2020, the Trump campaign sought to overturn his defeat with a strategy that focused on submitting alternate sets of electors that would back him in states where he had lost the popular vote.
The electoral college system came with tricky ramifications, including a built-in bias toward smaller states. The population of California, the most populous state, is more than 67 times the population of Wyoming, the least inhabited. But California only gets 18 times the representation in the electoral college of Wyoming. Put another way, the vote of Wyoming residents is worth 3.7 times more than Californians in presidential contests.
People attend a campaign event outside the Arizona Education Association on Nov. 5, 2022, in Phoenix. (Joshua Lott/The Washington Post)
In recent elections, Democrats have dominated in many populous states such as California and New York. Republicans have won by smaller margins in large states such as Texas and Florida, while racking up wins in many small, rural states. The overall effect has been to give the GOP an edge. University of Texas political scientists found that in a 50-50 popular vote election, the Republican had a 65 percent chance of winning in recent elections.
Polling data has consistently shown that a majority of Americans oppose the electoral college, and in a 2019 Gallup survey one of the most common concerns among those opposed was that “the winner of the popular vote doesn’t always win the election.”
The United States has periodically considered switching to a popular vote system. In 1969, the House voted overwhelmingly to do so. But the measure was blocked a year later by a filibuster in the Senate led by segregationist Southerners. Today, despite an effort to get states to honor the national popular vote, there is considered to be little prospect for change given the country’s polarization and the high barriers to amending the Constitution.
Just how the electoral college process plays out in 2024 could hinge on whether possible third-party campaigns by candidates such as Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and by the centrist group No Labels gain traction.
A serious third-party campaign next year could scramble the Republican and Democratic battleground map and lower the barriers to victory.
“In a three-way dead heat, it’s 34 percent to win,” Kennedy’s campaign manager, Amaryllis Fox, explained in a recent live stream for supporters.
Distortions between the electoral college and the popular vote can be even sharper in cases where the presidential choice is split among three or more presidential contenders.
Abraham Lincoln won 40 percent of the popular vote in 1860 when he ran against Stephen Douglas and two other candidates. He got 59 percent of the electoral college votes. Bill Clinton won 69 percent of the electoral college votes in 1992 against two rivals, while winning only 43 percent of the vote.
A campaign with three or more serious contenders could also yield an inconclusive result: In cases where no candidate wins a majority of the 538 electoral college votes, the Constitution punts the election to the next Congress, with each state delegation getting a single vote. Republicans currently control a slim majority of House delegations.
For Monk, such considerations are unlikely to play a role in his decisions about the coming campaign.
“A lot of people have given up their faith in voting,” he said about the disconnect he feels with the nation’s leaders, who have not yet delivered what he wants on issues such as student loans and spending on overseas conflicts. “A lot of things haven’t changed.”
But it is precisely his indecision and relative lack of interest that will make him so important, subject to a campaign effort larger and more sophisticated than anything the nation has previously experienced.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/12/08/electoral-college-votes-swing-states-decline/?
Arseholes
https://www.npr.org/2023/12/09/1218370770/texas-supreme-court-pauses-ruling-allowing-pregnant-woman-to-have-abortion
kii said:
Arseholeshttps://www.npr.org/2023/12/09/1218370770/texas-supreme-court-pauses-ruling-allowing-pregnant-woman-to-have-abortion
I saw a bit about that story on the us morning program this morning …. a serious human rights matter and basic right to emergency health care being withheld!!!!!!!!!
Just crazy..
monkey skipper said:
kii said:
Arseholeshttps://www.npr.org/2023/12/09/1218370770/texas-supreme-court-pauses-ruling-allowing-pregnant-woman-to-have-abortion
I saw a bit about that story on the us morning program this morning …. a serious human rights matter and basic right to emergency health care being withheld!!!!!!!!!
Just crazy..
The conservatives don’t give a shit about human rights.
kii said:
Arseholeshttps://www.npr.org/2023/12/09/1218370770/texas-supreme-court-pauses-ruling-allowing-pregnant-woman-to-have-abortion
These people need to be taken out of their high places.
kii said:
monkey skipper said:
kii said:
Arseholeshttps://www.npr.org/2023/12/09/1218370770/texas-supreme-court-pauses-ruling-allowing-pregnant-woman-to-have-abortion
I saw a bit about that story on the us morning program this morning …. a serious human rights matter and basic right to emergency health care being withheld!!!!!!!!!
Just crazy..
The conservatives don’t give a shit about human rights.
Makes one wonder what they think they are conserving.
So did he listen to his lawyers (who presumably don’t want to risk him gabbling), or did someone ask him to play golf?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-12-11/trump-cancels-plan-to-testify-in-ny-fraud-trial/103216174
buffy said:
So did he listen to his lawyers (who presumably don’t want to risk him gabbling), or did someone ask him to play golf?https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-12-11/trump-cancels-plan-to-testify-in-ny-fraud-trial/103216174
By constantly using the term “witch-hunt”, he’s admitting that he deserves to be burned at the stake. Maybe we should try the; does he sink theory?
roughbarked said:
buffy said:
So did he listen to his lawyers (who presumably don’t want to risk him gabbling), or did someone ask him to play golf?https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-12-11/trump-cancels-plan-to-testify-in-ny-fraud-trial/103216174
By constantly using the term “witch-hunt”, he’s admitting that he deserves to be burned at the stake. Maybe we should try the; does he sink theory?
and… For their part, Mr Trump’s lawyers have argued that the banks the Trump Organization sent its financial statements to did their own proper due diligence and were not financially harmed by the Trump team’s estimates — even bringing out current and former employees of Deutsche Bank, one of the banks he is accused of defrauding, to testify to that effect.
< does this mean that the banks were complicit in the fraud?
It is rare for a prosecutor to ask the Supreme Court to intervene in a case before a lower appeals court has already ruled, but US Special Counsel Jack Smith’s move reflects the urgency of the case ahead of the November 5 election.
If re-elected, Mr Trump could seek to pardon himself of any federal crimes.
Mr Smith told the Supreme Court in a written filing that the “case presents a fundamental question at the heart of our democracy”.
Mr Trump’s appeal suspends his trial, which was scheduled to begin on March 4.
“It is of imperative public importance that claims of immunity be resolved by this court and that trial proceed as promptly as possible if his claim of immunity is rejected,” Mr Smith said.
Mr Smith said claims by Mr Trump, the frontrunner for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination, were “profoundly mistaken,” adding that only the Supreme Court could “definitively resolve them”.
Legal experts have said that Mr Trump’s attorneys could use his immunity appeals to delay the trial, freeing him to campaign against Democratic President Joe Biden.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-12-12/us-seeks-review-trump-immunity/103216600
https://youtu.be/9KvoIDkEsiw?si=sZClnReO2u8eV0iS
Legal Eagles: Alina Habba, Trump’s worst lawyer, may be disbarred for this
dv said:
https://youtu.be/9KvoIDkEsiw?si=sZClnReO2u8eV0iSLegal Eagles: Alina Habba, Trump’s worst lawyer, may be disbarred for this
I saw that as I scrolled around earlier on YouTube.
He’s a peppy presenter and I have to be in the right mood for him.
dv said:
https://youtu.be/9KvoIDkEsiw?si=sZClnReO2u8eV0iSLegal Eagles: Alina Habba, Trump’s worst lawyer, may be disbarred for this
Trump’s worst lawyer
Quite an achievement.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
https://youtu.be/9KvoIDkEsiw?si=sZClnReO2u8eV0iSLegal Eagles: Alina Habba, Trump’s worst lawyer, may be disbarred for this
Trump’s worst lawyer
Quite an achievement.
This is quite an awful story, even by the standards of the genre
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
https://youtu.be/9KvoIDkEsiw?si=sZClnReO2u8eV0iSLegal Eagles: Alina Habba, Trump’s worst lawyer, may be disbarred for this
Trump’s worst lawyer
Quite an achievement.
This is quite an awful story, even by the standards of the genre
tofu dregs lawyers.
Liberal Redneck – Why Does Texas Hate This One Pregnant Woman So Much?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_BxW7L5ExE
sarahs mum said:
Liberal Redneck – Why Does Texas Hate This One Pregnant Woman So Much?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_BxW7L5ExE
So he talks also about a woman who was having bad pain at work but they would not let her leave. She miscarried. She is now sueing and Texas’s defense is that they have no duty to the fetus.
Good news everyone
dv said:
Good news everyone
I already posted that! Keep up!
kii said:
dv said:
Good news everyone
I already posted that! Keep up!
kii said:
dv said:
Good news everyone
I already posted that! Keep up!
I’m the encore
dv said:
kii said:
dv said:
Good news everyone
I already posted that! Keep up!
I’m the encore
We really would prefer that Trump was sent to somewhere like an Alkatraz look alike but better if he had a cardiac arrest while speaking and couldn’t be rescusitated.
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/elon-musk-alex-jones-ramaswamy-andrew-tate-twitter-x-spaces-live-chat-1234922987/
Why though?
dv said:
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/elon-musk-alex-jones-ramaswamy-andrew-tate-twitter-x-spaces-live-chat-1234922987/
Why though?
Because he’s a dickhead?
party_pants said:
dv said:
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/elon-musk-alex-jones-ramaswamy-andrew-tate-twitter-x-spaces-live-chat-1234922987/
Why though?
Because he’s a dickhead?
It’s just … baffling to me. He has a prestigious platform, he can use it to increase the reach of anyone. He chooses a child sex trafficker, a goombah who has to pay a billion dollar settlement for saying the parents of shot children were faking it, and a 9/11 conspiracy theorist who thinks climate change is a hoax.
dv said:
party_pants said:
dv said:
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/elon-musk-alex-jones-ramaswamy-andrew-tate-twitter-x-spaces-live-chat-1234922987/
Why though?
Because he’s a dickhead?
It’s just … baffling to me. He has a prestigious platform, he can use it to increase the reach of anyone. He chooses a child sex trafficker, a goombah who has to pay a billion dollar settlement for saying the parents of shot children were faking it, and a 9/11 conspiracy theorist who thinks climate change is a hoax.
he’s probably done his own research.
dv said:
party_pants said:
dv said:
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/elon-musk-alex-jones-ramaswamy-andrew-tate-twitter-x-spaces-live-chat-1234922987/
Why though?
Because he’s a dickhead?
It’s just … baffling to me. He has a prestigious platform, he can use it to increase the reach of anyone. He chooses a child sex trafficker, a goombah who has to pay a billion dollar settlement for saying the parents of shot children were faking it, and a 9/11 conspiracy theorist who thinks climate change is a hoax.
I think this is his version of providing a platform of free speech
dv said:
party_pants said:
dv said:
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/elon-musk-alex-jones-ramaswamy-andrew-tate-twitter-x-spaces-live-chat-1234922987/
Why though?
Because he’s a dickhead?
It’s just … baffling to me. He has a prestigious platform, he can use it to increase the reach of anyone. He chooses a child sex trafficker, a goombah who has to pay a billion dollar settlement for saying the parents of shot children were faking it, and a 9/11 conspiracy theorist who thinks climate change is a hoax.
He’s not the messiah.
He is at heart: an old fashioned misogynist, racist apartheid-era South African male, with anti-democratic (if not outright fascist) tendencies. The richer he gets, the less he feels his has to hide his true self..
party_pants said:
dv said:
party_pants said:Because he’s a dickhead?
It’s just … baffling to me. He has a prestigious platform, he can use it to increase the reach of anyone. He chooses a child sex trafficker, a goombah who has to pay a billion dollar settlement for saying the parents of shot children were faking it, and a 9/11 conspiracy theorist who thinks climate change is a hoax.
He’s not the messiah.
He is at heart: an old fashioned misogynist, racist apartheid-era South African male, with anti-democratic (if not outright fascist) tendencies. The richer he gets, the less he feels his has to hide his true self..
That’s is not me saying it. I am paraphrasing Peter Ziehan from last week, doing a Youtube post about why he is leaving Twitter.
I presume many of you follow Peter on YouTube.
party_pants said:
That’s is not me saying it. I am paraphrasing Peter Ziehan from last week, doing a Youtube post about why he is leaving Twitter.
I presume many of you follow Peter on YouTube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kwtVbM5o-o
dv said:
kii said:
dv said:
Good news everyone
I already posted that! Keep up!
I’m the encore
You put up the picture. I just posted a summary of the event.
A post on Jim Wright’s fb page.
“Somewhere out there in one of the infinite branching futures, radiation scared mutants in dirty threadbare MAGA hats roam the wasteland, raiding solar farms for the precious juice to charge their crudely modified Cybertrucks, searching fruitlessly for unvaccinated virgins to bear their children, and trading Trump NFTs for AR-15 reloads and stale wormy MRE oatmeal bars.”
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A response to this post:
A woman comments about her adult daughter accessing the Employee Assistance Program’s counseling services The daughter is stressed from the COVID stuff and is grieving a death – from breast cancer. She’s a young mum.
“The counselor offered her multiple very thinly veiled right-wing talking points. Highlighting things like “The Great Reset” and how that is “frightening”. The counselor tried to reassure her by reminding her that she lives in a very red state that is “safe” because of the number of gun owners.”
They live in a state where there was a church shooting. (I wonder which state hasn’t had a church shooting?)
The “counseling’ points only made her daughter more upset, and more fearful.
The counselor suggests that the young mum’s spirituality might be “lacking”, because she wouldn’t be struggling with anxiety. True believers in the bible are not afraid, apparently. God has their backs.
The commenter then describes how she is really angry, can barely see straight and not surprisingly – fed up. She describes the MAGAs as “…absolute mouth breathing, scrotum munching, knuckle dragging, slobbering, ass-sniffing idiots.” Making her apoplectic.
“I wish there WAS a “Great Reset”, and that it involved mass lobotomies for anyone flying a Donald Trump flag on their ugly-ass pick up, or wearing a filthy MAGA hat in public. Sick. I am sick of these cretins. We are all much dumber by having to live in close proximity to these idiots, morons, and imbeciles.”
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I c’n‘p this to make it less identifiable. It’s probably against the group’s rules to repost comments. I just feel the woman’s rage so much.
Oh, and added my own commentary and edits.
https://youtu.be/s07giTyVQPI?si=hGqzqGiwrgGRCJwR
Legal Eagles: expulsion of Santos
Paul Ryan dumps on trump.
kii said:
Paul Ryan dumps on trump.
No scat porn please
Washington — The jury in the defamation trial against Rudy Giuliani began deliberations on Thursday after the lawyer for two Georgia election workers said in closing arguments that his two clients should each be awarded $24 million.
Attorney Michael Gottlieb also argued that jurors should award Ruby Freeman and her daughter, Wandrea ArShaye Moss, more in emotional and punitive damages.
Giuliani was earlier found to be liable for several defamation claims against them.
The legal team for the two women based their calculation on the expert testimony of a Northwestern University professor who also testified in E. Jean Caroll’s defamation lawsuit against Donald Trump in New York earlier this year. Ashlee Humphreys spoke about the millions of impressions that 16 “actionable statements” Giuliani made had online and on television.
“That amount is not even close to the amount of reputational damage that our clients have suffered in this case,” Gottlieb argued.
Gottlieb told the jury the harm caused to his clients was part of a concerted effort by Giuliani and the Trump legal teams to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election.
“The lies in this case became a sustained deliberate campaign the purpose of which was to overturn an election,” Gottlieb said.
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When the only potential defence witness says he doesn’t want to testify in his own defence, you’d have to think that the awarded penalty will be pretty close to what was asked.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rudy-giuliani-defamation-trial-not-testifying/
dv said:
Washington — The jury in the defamation trial against Rudy Giuliani began deliberations on Thursday after the lawyer for two Georgia election workers said in closing arguments that his two clients should each be awarded $24 million.Attorney Michael Gottlieb also argued that jurors should award Ruby Freeman and her daughter, Wandrea ArShaye Moss, more in emotional and punitive damages.
Giuliani was earlier found to be liable for several defamation claims against them.
The legal team for the two women based their calculation on the expert testimony of a Northwestern University professor who also testified in E. Jean Caroll’s defamation lawsuit against Donald Trump in New York earlier this year. Ashlee Humphreys spoke about the millions of impressions that 16 “actionable statements” Giuliani made had online and on television.
“That amount is not even close to the amount of reputational damage that our clients have suffered in this case,” Gottlieb argued.
Gottlieb told the jury the harm caused to his clients was part of a concerted effort by Giuliani and the Trump legal teams to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election.
“The lies in this case became a sustained deliberate campaign the purpose of which was to overturn an election,” Gottlieb said.
—-
When the only potential defence witness says he doesn’t want to testify in his own defence, you’d have to think that the awarded penalty will be pretty close to what was asked.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rudy-giuliani-defamation-trial-not-testifying/
is there a kinda tally board of all the trials, the perp, the victim, result (if any yet). It is hard to keep track of who did what to who and when and what is happening.
dv said:
Washington — The jury in the defamation trial against Rudy Giuliani began deliberations on Thursday after the lawyer for two Georgia election workers said in closing arguments that his two clients should each be awarded $24 million.Attorney Michael Gottlieb also argued that jurors should award Ruby Freeman and her daughter, Wandrea ArShaye Moss, more in emotional and punitive damages.
Giuliani was earlier found to be liable for several defamation claims against them.
The legal team for the two women based their calculation on the expert testimony of a Northwestern University professor who also testified in E. Jean Caroll’s defamation lawsuit against Donald Trump in New York earlier this year. Ashlee Humphreys spoke about the millions of impressions that 16 “actionable statements” Giuliani made had online and on television.
“That amount is not even close to the amount of reputational damage that our clients have suffered in this case,” Gottlieb argued.
Gottlieb told the jury the harm caused to his clients was part of a concerted effort by Giuliani and the Trump legal teams to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election.
“The lies in this case became a sustained deliberate campaign the purpose of which was to overturn an election,” Gottlieb said.
—-
When the only potential defence witness says he doesn’t want to testify in his own defence, you’d have to think that the awarded penalty will be pretty close to what was asked.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rudy-giuliani-defamation-trial-not-testifying/
I’m all for punishing the Rudy Gulliani’s of this world for their attempts to overturn the election result… but I fail to see how they came up with 24 million dollars as a suitable sum. Why 24 and not 17 or 32?
party_pants said:
dv said:
Washington — The jury in the defamation trial against Rudy Giuliani began deliberations on Thursday after the lawyer for two Georgia election workers said in closing arguments that his two clients should each be awarded $24 million.Attorney Michael Gottlieb also argued that jurors should award Ruby Freeman and her daughter, Wandrea ArShaye Moss, more in emotional and punitive damages.
Giuliani was earlier found to be liable for several defamation claims against them.
The legal team for the two women based their calculation on the expert testimony of a Northwestern University professor who also testified in E. Jean Caroll’s defamation lawsuit against Donald Trump in New York earlier this year. Ashlee Humphreys spoke about the millions of impressions that 16 “actionable statements” Giuliani made had online and on television.
“That amount is not even close to the amount of reputational damage that our clients have suffered in this case,” Gottlieb argued.
Gottlieb told the jury the harm caused to his clients was part of a concerted effort by Giuliani and the Trump legal teams to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election.
“The lies in this case became a sustained deliberate campaign the purpose of which was to overturn an election,” Gottlieb said.
—-
When the only potential defence witness says he doesn’t want to testify in his own defence, you’d have to think that the awarded penalty will be pretty close to what was asked.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rudy-giuliani-defamation-trial-not-testifying/
I’m all for punishing the Rudy Gulliani’s of this world for their attempts to overturn the election result… but I fail to see how they came up with 24 million dollars as a suitable sum. Why 24 and not 17 or 32?
The lawyer probably calculated that they each deserved 10 million, + his own fee of 14 million.
Bubblecar said:
party_pants said:
dv said:
Washington — The jury in the defamation trial against Rudy Giuliani began deliberations on Thursday after the lawyer for two Georgia election workers said in closing arguments that his two clients should each be awarded $24 million.Attorney Michael Gottlieb also argued that jurors should award Ruby Freeman and her daughter, Wandrea ArShaye Moss, more in emotional and punitive damages.
Giuliani was earlier found to be liable for several defamation claims against them.
The legal team for the two women based their calculation on the expert testimony of a Northwestern University professor who also testified in E. Jean Caroll’s defamation lawsuit against Donald Trump in New York earlier this year. Ashlee Humphreys spoke about the millions of impressions that 16 “actionable statements” Giuliani made had online and on television.
“That amount is not even close to the amount of reputational damage that our clients have suffered in this case,” Gottlieb argued.
Gottlieb told the jury the harm caused to his clients was part of a concerted effort by Giuliani and the Trump legal teams to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election.
“The lies in this case became a sustained deliberate campaign the purpose of which was to overturn an election,” Gottlieb said.
—-
When the only potential defence witness says he doesn’t want to testify in his own defence, you’d have to think that the awarded penalty will be pretty close to what was asked.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rudy-giuliani-defamation-trial-not-testifying/
I’m all for punishing the Rudy Gulliani’s of this world for their attempts to overturn the election result… but I fail to see how they came up with 24 million dollars as a suitable sum. Why 24 and not 17 or 32?
The lawyer probably calculated that they each deserved 10 million, + his own fee of 14 million.
Money solves everything
party_pants said:
dv said:
Washington — The jury in the defamation trial against Rudy Giuliani began deliberations on Thursday after the lawyer for two Georgia election workers said in closing arguments that his two clients should each be awarded $24 million.Attorney Michael Gottlieb also argued that jurors should award Ruby Freeman and her daughter, Wandrea ArShaye Moss, more in emotional and punitive damages.
Giuliani was earlier found to be liable for several defamation claims against them.
The legal team for the two women based their calculation on the expert testimony of a Northwestern University professor who also testified in E. Jean Caroll’s defamation lawsuit against Donald Trump in New York earlier this year. Ashlee Humphreys spoke about the millions of impressions that 16 “actionable statements” Giuliani made had online and on television.
“That amount is not even close to the amount of reputational damage that our clients have suffered in this case,” Gottlieb argued.
Gottlieb told the jury the harm caused to his clients was part of a concerted effort by Giuliani and the Trump legal teams to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election.
“The lies in this case became a sustained deliberate campaign the purpose of which was to overturn an election,” Gottlieb said.
—-
When the only potential defence witness says he doesn’t want to testify in his own defence, you’d have to think that the awarded penalty will be pretty close to what was asked.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rudy-giuliani-defamation-trial-not-testifying/
I’m all for punishing the Rudy Gulliani’s of this world for their attempts to overturn the election result… but I fail to see how they came up with 24 million dollars as a suitable sum. Why 24 and not 17 or 32?
Idk
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-12-16/rudy-giuliani-damages-georgia-election-workers-false-allegations/103237318
Watched Planet America last night. Apparently these damages amounts don’t disappear if he declares bankruptcy. He is liable until he dies.
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-12-16/rudy-giuliani-damages-georgia-election-workers-false-allegations/103237318Watched Planet America last night. Apparently these damages amounts don’t disappear if he declares bankruptcy. He is liable until he dies.
Excellent news.
He won’t be able to afford hair dye for a while.
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-12-16/rudy-giuliani-damages-georgia-election-workers-false-allegations/103237318Watched Planet America last night. Apparently these damages amounts don’t disappear if he declares bankruptcy. He is liable until he dies.
So it was $148 million in the end, far more than the $48 million the plaintiff lawyers were asking for. I guess they don’t use the concept of ambit over there.
https://www.fox9.com/news/new-minnesota-state-flag-selected
I kind of like it, are there any other flags where the pointy bit goes that way?
dv said:
Yes.https://www.fox9.com/news/new-minnesota-state-flag-selected
I kind of like it, are there any other flags where the pointy bit goes that way?
dv said:
https://www.fox9.com/news/new-minnesota-state-flag-selected
I kind of like it, are there any other flags where the pointy bit goes that way?
It’s a good design.
A cardinal rule of vexillology (the study of the history, symbolism and usage of flags or, by extension, any interest in flags in general) is ‘keep it simple’.
An often quoted rule of thumb is that the design should be such that the average 7-year-old child could draw a recognisable representation of it.
OCDC said:
dv said:🇦🇸Yes.https://www.fox9.com/news/new-minnesota-state-flag-selected
I kind of like it, are there any other flags where the pointy bit goes that way?
dv said:
https://www.fox9.com/news/new-minnesota-state-flag-selected
I kind of like it, are there any other flags where the pointy bit goes that way?
It is OK. The old flag was just the traditional State Seal on a blue tablecloth type design, not very distinctive at all given half the other states have a similar template.
OCDC said:
OCDC said:dv said:🇦🇸Yes.https://www.fox9.com/news/new-minnesota-state-flag-selected
I kind of like it, are there any other flags where the pointy bit goes that way?
The old Minnesotan flag was a fine example of a poor flag design
with an emblem which contains a lot of detailed images, fine and complicated decoration, and a large dose of numbers and text. These are exactly the things that people who design flags will tell you to not have on your flag.
While the new design might seem a bit ‘anonymous’, in that it might as easily represent anything else in the world, it’s an image which people who see it a few times will much more easily remember, and more readily learn to associate with the ‘owner’, in this case the state of Minnesota.
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OCDC said:
dv said:Yes.https://www.fox9.com/news/new-minnesota-state-flag-selected
I kind of like it, are there any other flags where the pointy bit goes that way?
For example?
American Samoa
OCDC said:
American Samoa
I suppose that’s on me, I should have been more specific.
It was nice to DVSBL DV himself.
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/15/politics/rudy-giuliani-verdict-pay-defamed-election-workers/index.html
CNN
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A Washington, DC, jury has ordered Rudy Giuliani to pay nearly $150 million to two Georgia election workers for the harm caused by defamatory statements he made about them following the 2020 election.
dv said:
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/15/politics/rudy-giuliani-verdict-pay-defamed-election-workers/index.htmlCNN —
A Washington, DC, jury has ordered Rudy Giuliani to pay nearly $150 million to two Georgia election workers for the harm caused by defamatory statements he made about them following the 2020 election.
As i understand it, this is a Federal trial, so Giuliani is probably now going to strive even harder to get Trump re-elected so that Trump can give him a Presidential pardon.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/15/politics/rudy-giuliani-verdict-pay-defamed-election-workers/index.htmlCNN —
A Washington, DC, jury has ordered Rudy Giuliani to pay nearly $150 million to two Georgia election workers for the harm caused by defamatory statements he made about them following the 2020 election.
As i understand it, this is a Federal trial, so Giuliani is probably now going to strive even harder to get Trump re-elected so that Trump can give him a Presidential pardon.
The Dems have got to select someone who is not gaga and is not Hilary.
Peak Warming Man said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/15/politics/rudy-giuliani-verdict-pay-defamed-election-workers/index.htmlCNN —
A Washington, DC, jury has ordered Rudy Giuliani to pay nearly $150 million to two Georgia election workers for the harm caused by defamatory statements he made about them following the 2020 election.
As i understand it, this is a Federal trial, so Giuliani is probably now going to strive even harder to get Trump re-elected so that Trump can give him a Presidential pardon.
The Dems have got to select someone who is not gaga and is not Hilary.
And not female.
Americans aren’t yet grown-up enough to contemplate putting a mere woman in charge of things.
They’re also caught in a dilemma where they seem to have terrible trouble in trusting anyone under 70 years old to have sufficient ‘acquired wisdom’ to be trusted with the President job, but then get all horrified when they find that they’ve put an old man into the Oval Office.
Peak Warming Man said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/15/politics/rudy-giuliani-verdict-pay-defamed-election-workers/index.htmlCNN —
A Washington, DC, jury has ordered Rudy Giuliani to pay nearly $150 million to two Georgia election workers for the harm caused by defamatory statements he made about them following the 2020 election.
As i understand it, this is a Federal trial, so Giuliani is probably now going to strive even harder to get Trump re-elected so that Trump can give him a Presidential pardon.
The Dems have got to select someone who is not gaga and is not Hilary.
Biden’s the man for the job then.
He’s a bit old, but he satisfies your criteria.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Peak Warming Man said:
captain_spalding said:As i understand it, this is a Federal trial, so Giuliani is probably now going to strive even harder to get Trump re-elected so that Trump can give him a Presidential pardon.
The Dems have got to select someone who is not gaga and is not Hilary.
Biden’s the man for the job then.
He’s a bit old, but he satisfies your criteria.
Well, they’re not my criteria, they’re those that the Americans impose on themselves and on potential candidates.
They seem to be in the thrall of that joke about employers requiring someone straight out of high school, with at least five years experience in whatever kind of work is involved. “We don’t want some doddery old guy, we want someone youthful energetic, and dynamic. But, we don’t want some noob, wet behind the ears, doesn’t know anything, but a fellow who’s been around a while, knows how things work, got plenty of knowledge and wisdom.”
captain_spalding said:
Peak Warming Man said:
captain_spalding said:As i understand it, this is a Federal trial, so Giuliani is probably now going to strive even harder to get Trump re-elected so that Trump can give him a Presidential pardon.
The Dems have got to select someone who is not gaga and is not Hilary.
And not female.
Americans aren’t yet grown-up enough to contemplate putting a mere woman in charge of things.
They’re also caught in a dilemma where they seem to have terrible trouble in trusting anyone under 70 years old to have sufficient ‘acquired wisdom’ to be trusted with the President job, but then get all horrified when they find that they’ve put an old man into the Oval Office.
Remember when Merkel let 1 million Syrian men walk straight into Germany. Spectacular decision by the former STASI girl.
wookiemeister said:
captain_spalding said:
Peak Warming Man said:The Dems have got to select someone who is not gaga and is not Hilary.
And not female.
Americans aren’t yet grown-up enough to contemplate putting a mere woman in charge of things.
They’re also caught in a dilemma where they seem to have terrible trouble in trusting anyone under 70 years old to have sufficient ‘acquired wisdom’ to be trusted with the President job, but then get all horrified when they find that they’ve put an old man into the Oval Office.
ExactlyRemember when Merkel let 1 million Syrian men walk straight into Germany. Spectacular decision by the former STASI girl.
Well, she was slave to history.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/15/politics/rudy-giuliani-verdict-pay-defamed-election-workers/index.htmlCNN —
A Washington, DC, jury has ordered Rudy Giuliani to pay nearly $150 million to two Georgia election workers for the harm caused by defamatory statements he made about them following the 2020 election.
As i understand it, this is a Federal trial, so Giuliani is probably now going to strive even harder to get Trump re-elected so that Trump can give him a Presidential pardon.
I think this was a civil trial, they were suing him for money. Not sure the POTUS can pardon the losing arty in a civil trial.
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Peak Warming Man said:The Dems have got to select someone who is not gaga and is not Hilary.
Biden’s the man for the job then.
He’s a bit old, but he satisfies your criteria.
Well, they’re not my criteria, they’re those that the Americans impose on themselves and on potential candidates.
They seem to be in the thrall of that joke about employers requiring someone straight out of high school, with at least five years experience in whatever kind of work is involved. “We don’t want some doddery old guy, we want someone youthful energetic, and dynamic. But, we don’t want some noob, wet behind the ears, doesn’t know anything, but a fellow who’s been around a while, knows how things work, got plenty of knowledge and wisdom.”
Just to make things clear, when I said “your criteria”, I meant:
“is not gaga and is not Hilary”
i.e. the criteria of Mr. PWM.
Sorry about that.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/15/politics/rudy-giuliani-verdict-pay-defamed-election-workers/index.htmlCNN —
A Washington, DC, jury has ordered Rudy Giuliani to pay nearly $150 million to two Georgia election workers for the harm caused by defamatory statements he made about them following the 2020 election.
As i understand it, this is a Federal trial, so Giuliani is probably now going to strive even harder to get Trump re-elected so that Trump can give him a Presidential pardon.
In other areas scrutineers were BANNED from watching vote counting.
Congress approves bill barring presidents from unilaterally exiting NATO
By Maegan Vazquez
December 16, 2023 at 9:15 a.m. EST
Congress this week approved a measure aimed at preventing any U.S. president from unilaterally withdrawing the United States from NATO without congressional approval. Passage came amid long-standing concerns that Donald Trump may try to exit the alliance if he returns to office.
The provision was included in the National Defense Authorization Act, an annual bill detailing defense policy, which was passed by the House on Thursday and is awaiting the signature of President Biden.
Under the measure, advocated by Sens. Tim Kaine (D-Va.) and Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), the president would be prohibited from withdrawing from NATO without the approval of two-thirds of the Senate or separate legislation passed by Congress.
Kaine and Rubio had tried to advance similar measures since 2021. Passage of the defense policy bill this week marked the first time the House had embraced the tactic.
The Republican-led House Armed Services Committee did not respond to questions about why the chamber accepted the provision. The office of Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) office declined to comment.
The bipartisan attempt to add checks and balances highlights the lengths Congress is willing to go to protect the U.S.-NATO relationship amid ongoing Russian aggression and following years of criticism of the military alliance during Trump’s presidential tenure.
President Biden has sought to reassert the leadership role of the United States in global diplomacy, helping galvanize NATO member countries in support of Ukraine following Russia’s invasion and encouraging efforts to expand the alliance to include Finland and Sweden.
During his presidency, Trump frequently lambasted the alliance, accusing its members of being “delinquents” and questioning the wisdom of NATO’s collective defense clause.
Article 5 of the North Atlantic Treaty, which formed the legal basis for NATO, states that an armed attack on one member of the alliance will be viewed as an attack on all of them, and that they will defend one other.
In 2018, Trump publicly mused about why the United States might come to the aid of NATO member Montenegro, saying that sending troops from the alliance to defend an “aggressive” ally could result in World War III.
Former Trump aides, including former national security adviser John Bolton, have said they feared at times that Trump could pull the United States out of the alliance. But Trump and his allies argue that his tough approach to NATO pushed member states to boost their defense spending obligations and strengthened the alliance.
Kaine, in a statement, said that the provision in the defense policy bill affirmed “U.S. support for this crucial alliance” and sent “a strong message to authoritarians around the world that the free world remains united.”
Rubio said in a statement: “The Senate should maintain oversight on whether or not our nation withdraws from NATO. We must ensure we are protecting our national interests and protecting the security of our democratic allies.”
While the defense policy bill is set to be signed into law by Biden, it’s unclear how exactly a scenario might play out in which the president and Congress are at odds over NATO membership.
Michael E. O’Hanlon, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, pointed out that there is precedent for presidents withdrawing unilaterally from treaties without consulting Congress. A chief executive conceivably could push back on efforts to restrict that — particularly if the treaty addresses the United States’ defense posture abroad.
A “future president might challenge such an effort and invoke the president’s authorities as commander in chief under Article 2 of the Constitution,” O’Hanlon said in an email. “It would, I think, be uncharted territory if this issue were forced to a confrontation.”
A Kaine aide said that while the Constitution is clear about the process to enter a treaty — including ratification by the Senate — it is silent on withdrawal. The provision offered by Kaine and Rubio was an attempt to offer specific guidance about the process, said the aide, who was not authorized to speak publicly on the legislation and spoke on the condition of anonymity.
If a president violates the law, Congress can seek recourse in the courts, the aide said.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/12/16/congress-nato-exit-trump/?
“While Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy was meeting with President Biden this week to ask our help defending his democracy against the brutal, violent aggression of Russia, Republican lawmakers in DC were meeting behind closed doors at a Heritage Foundation event with representatives of Hungary’s strongman president Viktor Orbán.”
Thom Hartmann
Woman who suffered miscarriage is charged with abusing corpse, as US hospitals struggle with abortion laws
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-12-17/ohio-woman-charged-after-miscarriage/103238764
“A doctor told her that while the foetal heartbeat was still present, her water had broken prematurely and the foetus would not survive.”
This isn’t necessarily true unless there is other relevant information that has not been disclosed here.
OCDC said:
“A doctor told her that while the foetal heartbeat was still present, her water had broken prematurely and the foetus would not survive.”This isn’t necessarily true unless there is other relevant information that has not been disclosed here.
So she left the hospital after her waters had broken.
The hospital sent her away knowing what the outcome would be.
OCDC said:
Woman who suffered miscarriage is charged with abusing corpse, as US hospitals struggle with abortion laws
fuck.
take woman on the worst day of her life and make it worse.
sarahs mum said:
OCDC said:
Woman who suffered miscarriage is charged with abusing corpse, as US hospitals struggle with abortion laws
fuck.
take woman on the worst day of her life and make it worse.
A lot of state politicians belong in jail.
OCDC said:
Woman who suffered miscarriage is charged with abusing corpse, as US hospitals struggle with abortion laws
IIRC the charge is because she flushed it down the loo. Sounds like a desperate woman caught in the crossfire of laws. Even if someone referred to her as a “girl”.
OCDC said:
“A doctor told her that while the foetal heartbeat was still present, her water had broken prematurely and the foetus would not survive.”This isn’t necessarily true unless there is other relevant information that has not been disclosed here.
My son survived for three days after her waters broke and once he was born he grew to become quite a clever person.
sarahs mum said:
OCDC said:
Woman who suffered miscarriage is charged with abusing corpse, as US hospitals struggle with abortion laws
fuck.
take woman on the worst day of her life and make it worse.
It appears so.
kii said:
OCDC said:
Woman who suffered miscarriage is charged with abusing corpse, as US hospitals struggle with abortion laws
IIRC the charge is because she flushed it down the loo. Sounds like a desperate woman caught in the crossfire of laws. Even if someone referred to her as a “girl”.
So it’s not really an abortion issue, it’s a disposal of corpse issue.. or indecent disposal of human remains…. The article says her pregnancy was considered ‘unviable’ which fell within the states laws of ‘legal abortion’ but what she did after the miscarriage and expelling is the illegal thing.
Arts said:
kii said:
OCDC said:
Woman who suffered miscarriage is charged with abusing corpse, as US hospitals struggle with abortion laws
IIRC the charge is because she flushed it down the loo. Sounds like a desperate woman caught in the crossfire of laws. Even if someone referred to her as a “girl”.
So it’s not really an abortion issue, it’s a disposal of corpse issue.. or indecent disposal of human remains…. The article says her pregnancy was considered ‘unviable’ which fell within the states laws of ‘legal abortion’ but what she did after the miscarriage and expelling is the illegal thing.
The method of disposal most likely was the result of panic and stress. Guilty of being terrified.
kii said:
Arts said:
kii said:IIRC the charge is because she flushed it down the loo. Sounds like a desperate woman caught in the crossfire of laws. Even if someone referred to her as a “girl”.
So it’s not really an abortion issue, it’s a disposal of corpse issue.. or indecent disposal of human remains…. The article says her pregnancy was considered ‘unviable’ which fell within the states laws of ‘legal abortion’ but what she did after the miscarriage and expelling is the illegal thing.
The method of disposal most likely was the result of panic and stress. Guilty of being terrified.
I’m not disputing that, but the charges are not because of abortion, they are because of what happened after that. I agree that the abortion laws and the overturning to Roe V Wade is fucked for everyone, but mostly, as always, it has the biggest effects on vulnerable, marginalised and disenfranchised people.. but this case is not really about that..
Arts said:
kii said:
Arts said:So it’s not really an abortion issue, it’s a disposal of corpse issue.. or indecent disposal of human remains…. The article says her pregnancy was considered ‘unviable’ which fell within the states laws of ‘legal abortion’ but what she did after the miscarriage and expelling is the illegal thing.
The method of disposal most likely was the result of panic and stress. Guilty of being terrified.
I’m not disputing that, but the charges are not because of abortion, they are because of what happened after that. I agree that the abortion laws and the overturning to Roe V Wade is fucked for everyone, but mostly, as always, it has the biggest effects on vulnerable, marginalised and disenfranchised people.. but this case is not really about that..
This is true. However, if you’vr just had a miscarriage in a toilet, what are you going to do with the whole mess? Dig it back out of the toilet bowl?
Had the hospital staff not been arguing the legality of helping the foetus out, it would have been expelled in hospital and none of the subsequent events would have occurred.
OCDC said:
Had the hospital staff not been arguing the legality of helping the foetus out, it would have been expelled in hospital and none of the subsequent events would have occurred.
There’s always the sensible answer. Even if nobody listens to it.
OCDC said:
Had the hospital staff not been arguing the legality of helping the foetus out, it would have been expelled in hospital and none of the subsequent events would have occurred.
the article states that she was given the ‘diagnosis’ of an unviable pregnancy by a doctor, which falls within the laws of the state.. if the staff were trying to decide on the legality, they are somewhat responsible for the subsequent actions. (IMO and I have only read one article on this so forgive any gross interpretations without considering nuance)
roughbarked said:
Arts said:
kii said:The method of disposal most likely was the result of panic and stress. Guilty of being terrified.
I’m not disputing that, but the charges are not because of abortion, they are because of what happened after that. I agree that the abortion laws and the overturning to Roe V Wade is fucked for everyone, but mostly, as always, it has the biggest effects on vulnerable, marginalised and disenfranchised people.. but this case is not really about that..
This is true. However, if you’vr just had a miscarriage in a toilet, what are you going to do with the whole mess? Dig it back out of the toilet bowl?
no, leave it there and phone the authorities.. that is what you are supposed to do.. there are laws on disposal of human remains.. they are very strict laws for many many good reasons… everyone has to follow them, hospitals, mortuaries, police, everyone… you shouldn’t turn grandma into a bunch of dimsims because your family is starving…
Arts said:
OCDC said:ABC article:Had the hospital staff not been arguing the legality of helping the foetus out, it would have been expelled in hospital and none of the subsequent events would have occurred.the article states that she was given the ‘diagnosis’ of an unviable pregnancy by a doctor, which falls within the laws of the state.. if the staff were trying to decide on the legality, they are somewhat responsible for the subsequent actions. (IMO and I have only read one article on this so forgive any gross interpretations without considering nuance)
When Ms Watts first experienced the blood clots she was 21 weeks and five days pregnant.
As she waited eight hours in urgent care she arrived at 21 weeks and six days, the cut-off for a legal abortion.
The delay was because hospital officials were deliberating over the legalities, said Traci Timko, a lawyer for Ms Watts.
“It was the fear of, is this going to constitute an abortion and are we able to do that,” she said.
Arts said:
kii said:
Arts said:So it’s not really an abortion issue, it’s a disposal of corpse issue.. or indecent disposal of human remains…. The article says her pregnancy was considered ‘unviable’ which fell within the states laws of ‘legal abortion’ but what she did after the miscarriage and expelling is the illegal thing.
The method of disposal most likely was the result of panic and stress. Guilty of being terrified.
I’m not disputing that, but the charges are not because of abortion, they are because of what happened after that. I agree that the abortion laws and the overturning to Roe V Wade is fucked for everyone, but mostly, as always, it has the biggest effects on vulnerable, marginalised and disenfranchised people.. but this case is not really about that..
t’s almost like the reporters already have half the story written, just waiting for a case to come along where they can insert those paragraphs. This one is a bit disjointed and doesn’t really fit the template well, but if it wasn’t for the illegal abortion angle and the headline nobody would read it.
Arts said:
kii said:
Arts said:So it’s not really an abortion issue, it’s a disposal of corpse issue.. or indecent disposal of human remains…. The article says her pregnancy was considered ‘unviable’ which fell within the states laws of ‘legal abortion’ but what she did after the miscarriage and expelling is the illegal thing.
The method of disposal most likely was the result of panic and stress. Guilty of being terrified.
I’m not disputing that, but the charges are not because of abortion, they are because of what happened after that. I agree that the abortion laws and the overturning to Roe V Wade is fucked for everyone, but mostly, as always, it has the biggest effects on vulnerable, marginalised and disenfranchised people.. but this case is not really about that..
I know what the charges are for.
Unlike some people, I have empathy for her state of mind after EVERYTHING that happened to her at the hospital and all the political crap being flung around.
OCDC said:
Arts said:OCDC said:ABC article:Had the hospital staff not been arguing the legality of helping the foetus out, it would have been expelled in hospital and none of the subsequent events would have occurred.the article states that she was given the ‘diagnosis’ of an unviable pregnancy by a doctor, which falls within the laws of the state.. if the staff were trying to decide on the legality, they are somewhat responsible for the subsequent actions. (IMO and I have only read one article on this so forgive any gross interpretations without considering nuance)
When Ms Watts first experienced the blood clots she was 21 weeks and five days pregnant.
As she waited eight hours in urgent care she arrived at 21 weeks and six days, the cut-off for a legal abortion.
The delay was because hospital officials were deliberating over the legalities, said Traci Timko, a lawyer for Ms Watts.
“It was the fear of, is this going to constitute an abortion and are we able to do that,” she said.
I was under the impression that there was a medical clause in this law… if the doctor discusses the possibility of the non viability after 20weeks than abortion (or expelling) is permitted.. point taken .. however it still does not change the fact that the charge is about disposal of human remains… mental conditions at the time not withstanding, the disposal was illegal… that these laws Brough on that mental anguish, fear and feeling of abandonment is a pretty tough legal argument to follow.
party_pants said:
Arts said:
kii said:The method of disposal most likely was the result of panic and stress. Guilty of being terrified.
I’m not disputing that, but the charges are not because of abortion, they are because of what happened after that. I agree that the abortion laws and the overturning to Roe V Wade is fucked for everyone, but mostly, as always, it has the biggest effects on vulnerable, marginalised and disenfranchised people.. but this case is not really about that..
t’s almost like the reporters already have half the story written, just waiting for a case to come along where they can insert those paragraphs. This one is a bit disjointed and doesn’t really fit the template well, but if it wasn’t for the illegal abortion angle and the headline nobody would read it.
journalists, huh? you can’t trust them
Arts said:
roughbarked said:
Arts said:I’m not disputing that, but the charges are not because of abortion, they are because of what happened after that. I agree that the abortion laws and the overturning to Roe V Wade is fucked for everyone, but mostly, as always, it has the biggest effects on vulnerable, marginalised and disenfranchised people.. but this case is not really about that..
This is true. However, if you’vr just had a miscarriage in a toilet, what are you going to do with the whole mess? Dig it back out of the toilet bowl?
no, leave it there and phone the authorities.. that is what you are supposed to do.. there are laws on disposal of human remains.. they are very strict laws for many many good reasons… everyone has to follow them, hospitals, mortuaries, police, everyone… you shouldn’t turn grandma into a bunch of dimsims because your family is starving…
OK.
Arts said:
roughbarked said:
Arts said:I’m not disputing that, but the charges are not because of abortion, they are because of what happened after that. I agree that the abortion laws and the overturning to Roe V Wade is fucked for everyone, but mostly, as always, it has the biggest effects on vulnerable, marginalised and disenfranchised people.. but this case is not really about that..
This is true. However, if you’vr just had a miscarriage in a toilet, what are you going to do with the whole mess? Dig it back out of the toilet bowl?
no, leave it there and phone the authorities.. that is what you are supposed to do.. there are laws on disposal of human remains.. they are very strict laws for many many good reasons… everyone has to follow them, hospitals, mortuaries, police, everyone… you shouldn’t turn grandma into a bunch of dimsims because your family is starving…
what if it what she wanted?
Bogsnorkler said:
Arts said:
roughbarked said:This is true. However, if you’vr just had a miscarriage in a toilet, what are you going to do with the whole mess? Dig it back out of the toilet bowl?
no, leave it there and phone the authorities.. that is what you are supposed to do.. there are laws on disposal of human remains.. they are very strict laws for many many good reasons… everyone has to follow them, hospitals, mortuaries, police, everyone… you shouldn’t turn grandma into a bunch of dimsims because your family is starving…
what if it what she wanted?
I doubt you can legally leave your body as Christmas dinner for your family.
roughbarked said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Arts said:no, leave it there and phone the authorities.. that is what you are supposed to do.. there are laws on disposal of human remains.. they are very strict laws for many many good reasons… everyone has to follow them, hospitals, mortuaries, police, everyone… you shouldn’t turn grandma into a bunch of dimsims because your family is starving…
what if it what she wanted?
I doubt you can legally leave your body as Christmas dinner for your family.
the other white meat.
Arts said:
you shouldn’t turn grandma into a bunch of dimsims because your family is starving…
Uh-oh.
Bogsnorkler said:
Arts said:
roughbarked said:This is true. However, if you’vr just had a miscarriage in a toilet, what are you going to do with the whole mess? Dig it back out of the toilet bowl?
no, leave it there and phone the authorities.. that is what you are supposed to do.. there are laws on disposal of human remains.. they are very strict laws for many many good reasons… everyone has to follow them, hospitals, mortuaries, police, everyone… you shouldn’t turn grandma into a bunch of dimsims because your family is starving…
what if it what she wanted?
Doesn’t count. There have been cases of cannibalism where the eatee went along with it willingly. The eaters where still found guilty.
Same old, same old.
Former US president and Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump says he plans to complete the “largest deportation in American history” if re-elected in 2024.
Key points:
Donald Trump told a rally he would end “illegal alien gang violence”
Mr Trump bemoaned the soaring US stock market as making “rich people richer”
He described Joe Biden as the “most incompetent and most corrupt president in the history of our country”
Former President Donald Trump said immigrants coming to the U.S. are “poisoning the blood of our country”
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A patron of the classics
dv said:
Former President Donald Trump said immigrants coming to the U.S. are “poisoning the blood of our country”—-
A patron of the classics
dv said:
Former President Donald Trump said immigrants coming to the U.S. are “poisoning the blood of our country”—-
A patron of the classics
That Liberty statue needs to come down then
dv said:
Former President Donald Trump said immigrants coming to the U.S. are “poisoning the blood of our country”—-
A patron of the classics
That’s me. Poisoning blood every where.
Cymek said:
dv said:
Former President Donald Trump said immigrants coming to the U.S. are “poisoning the blood of our country”—-
A patron of the classics
That Liberty statue needs to come down then
Replaced by a larger Trump statue that farts loudly when ships pass.
Cymek said:
dv said:
Former President Donald Trump said immigrants coming to the U.S. are “poisoning the blood of our country”—-
A patron of the classics
That Liberty statue needs to come down then
sailing away to sea…
OCDC said:
Same old, same old.Former US president and Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump says he plans to complete the “largest deportation in American history” if re-elected in 2024.
Key points:
Donald Trump told a rally he would end “illegal alien gang violence”
Mr Trump bemoaned the soaring US stock market as making “rich people richer”
He described Joe Biden as the “most incompetent and most corrupt president in the history of our country”
Be fair.
He is undeniably the 2nd worst since 2016.
dv said:
Former President Donald Trump said immigrants coming to the U.S. are “poisoning the blood of our country”—-
A patron of the classics
Mighty bold talk from a bloke whose grandparents were German, whose own mother was a Scot, and who has a predilection for marrying ladies from eastern Europe.
Rudy Giuliani ordered to pay more than $220m over false allegations Georgia election workers rigged 2020 vote against Donald Trump
Rudy Giuliani must pay more than $US148 million ($220 million) in damages to two former Georgia election workers he defamed through false accusations that they helped rig the 2020 election against then-president Donald Trump, a jury has decided.
The federal court jury in Washington DC found that Mr Giuliani owed the workers, Wandrea “Shaye” Moss and her mother Ruby Freeman, roughly $US73 million ($109 million) to compensate them for the reputational and emotional harm they suffered and $US75 million ($112 million) to punish the former Trump lawyer and one-time New York major for his conduct.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-12-16/rudy-giuliani-damages-georgia-election-workers-false-allegations/103237318
10-year-old who ate gummies from fentanyl-positive bag at school speaks out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Zc2sXOJY7E
sarahs mum said:
10-year-old who ate gummies from fentanyl-positive bag at school speaks outhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Zc2sXOJY7E
he ate 10.
sarahs mum said:
sarahs mum said:
10-year-old who ate gummies from fentanyl-positive bag at school speaks outhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Zc2sXOJY7E
he ate 10.
Madness.
sarahs mum said:
sarahs mum said:
10-year-old who ate gummies from fentanyl-positive bag at school speaks outhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Zc2sXOJY7E
he ate 10.
If he’d been a baby before 1911, he would have had his gums rubbed with heroin. It was known as teething powder.
I was hoping that this might be from some kind of alternate universe, but sadly it is not.
Spiny Norman said:
I was hoping that this might be from some kind of alternate universe, but sadly it is not.
Criminally insane couple.
Bubblecar said:
Spiny Norman said:
I was hoping that this might be from some kind of alternate universe, but sadly it is not.
Criminally insane couple.
Jake is the ‘hero’ who, when he heard that the Feds were on his trail, skedaddled back to ‘hide out’ at his ‘mom’s’ house.
He couldn’t ask his girlfriend for help because (can you believe it?) she didn’t exist.
Spiny Norman said:
I was hoping that this might be from some kind of alternate universe, but sadly it is not.
Horn head and empty head together ❤️
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/12/18/rudy-giuliani-sued-by-election-workers-over-defamation.html
Rudy Giuliani was sued again Monday by two former Georgia election workers who last week won a nearly $150 million defamation verdict against him for false statements that the lawyer made about them while representing Donald Trump after the 2020 election.
The latest federal lawsuit seeks an injunction to “permanently bar” Giuliani from making further defamatory statements against the mother and daughter, Ruby Freeman and Wandrea Moss, including by claiming they engaged in election fraud, illegal activity or other misconduct.
The suit says the former New York City mayor, despite being found civilly liable for defaming the women, “has engaged in, and is engaging in, a continuing course of repetitive false speech and harassment —specifically, repeating over and over the same lies that Plaintiffs engaged in election fraud during their service as election workers during the 2020 presidential election.”
KFC fires teen worker who saved coworker shot in the head in Beech Grove
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwYtniv1Bx4
The Colorado Supreme Court has declared former US president Donald Trump ineligible for the White House under the constitution’s insurrection clause and removed him from the state’s presidential primary ballot.
Key points:
The decision is likely to lead to a US Supreme Court case to decide whether Mr Trump can remain in the race
It is the first time the insurrection clause has been used to disqualify a presidential candidate
The justices, all appointed by Democratic governors, voted 4-3 for the decision
OCDC said:
The Colorado Supreme Court has declared former US president Donald Trump ineligible for the White House under the constitution’s insurrection clause and removed him from the state’s presidential primary ballot.Key points:
The decision is likely to lead to a US Supreme Court case to decide whether Mr Trump can remain in the race
It is the first time the insurrection clause has been used to disqualify a presidential candidate
The justices, all appointed by Democratic governors, voted 4-3 for the decision
Well that’s a little squirt of sanity.
Colorado Supreme Court removes Trump from 2024 ballot based on 14th Amendment’s ‘insurrectionist ban’
CNN
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In a stunning and unprecedented decision, the Colorado Supreme Court removed former President Donald Trump from the state’s 2024 ballot, ruling that he isn’t an eligible presidential candidate because of the 14th Amendment’s “insurrectionist ban.”
The ruling was 4-3.
The ruling will be placed on hold until January 4, pending Trump’s appeal to the US Supreme Court, which could settle the matter for the nation.
The state Supreme Court decision only applies to Colorado but the historic ruling will roil the 2024 presidential campaign. Colorado election officials have said the matter needs to be settled by January 5, which is the statutory deadline to set the list of candidates for the GOP primary scheduled for March 5.
“President Trump did not merely incite the insurrection,” the majority wrote in its unsigned opinion. “Even when the siege on the Capitol was fully underway, he continued to support it by repeatedly demanding that Vice President (Mike) Pence refuse to perform his constitutional duty and by calling Senators to persuade them to stop the counting of electoral votes. These actions constituted overt, voluntary, and direct participation in the insurrection.”
“We conclude that the foregoing evidence, the great bulk of which was undisputed at trial, established that President Trump engaged in insurrection,” the opinion adds. “President Trump’s direct and express efforts, over several months, exhorting his supporters to march to the Capitol to prevent what he falsely characterized as an alleged fraud on the people of this country were indisputably overt and voluntary.”
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/19/politics/trump-colorado-supreme-court-14th-amendment/index.html
OCDC said:
The Colorado Supreme Court has declared former US president Donald Trump ineligible for the White House under the constitution’s insurrection clause and removed him from the state’s presidential primary ballot.Key points:
The decision is likely to lead to a US Supreme Court case to decide whether Mr Trump can remain in the race
It is the first time the insurrection clause has been used to disqualify a presidential candidate
The justices, all appointed by Democratic governors, voted 4-3 for the decision
Let’s hope it sticks.
OCDC said:
The Colorado Supreme Court has declared former US president Donald Trump ineligible for the White House under the constitution’s insurrection clause and removed him from the state’s presidential primary ballot.Key points:
The decision is likely to lead to a US Supreme Court case to decide whether Mr Trump can remain in the race
It is the first time the insurrection clause has been used to disqualify a presidential candidate
The justices, all appointed by Democratic governors, voted 4-3 for the decision
I thought I hear some distant explosions earlier. RWNJ’s heads exploding.
Michael V said:
OCDC said:
The Colorado Supreme Court has declared former US president Donald Trump ineligible for the White House under the constitution’s insurrection clause and removed him from the state’s presidential primary ballot.Key points:
The decision is likely to lead to a US Supreme Court case to decide whether Mr Trump can remain in the race
It is the first time the insurrection clause has been used to disqualify a presidential candidate
The justices, all appointed by Democratic governors, voted 4-3 for the decision
Let’s hope it sticks.
But when you look at stuff like this:
you have to wonder what effect banning Trump would have on the pro-Trumpers.
OCDC said:
The Colorado Supreme Court has declared former US president Donald Trump ineligible for the White House under the constitution’s insurrection clause and removed him from the state’s presidential primary ballot.Key points:
The decision is likely to lead to a US Supreme Court case to decide whether Mr Trump can remain in the race
It is the first time the insurrection clause has been used to disqualify a presidential candidate
The justices, all appointed by Democratic governors, voted 4-3 for the decision
It is also the first time a president has incited an insurrection.
Bubblecar said:
OCDC said:
The Colorado Supreme Court has declared former US president Donald Trump ineligible for the White House under the constitution’s insurrection clause and removed him from the state’s presidential primary ballot.Key points:
The decision is likely to lead to a US Supreme Court case to decide whether Mr Trump can remain in the race
It is the first time the insurrection clause has been used to disqualify a presidential candidate
The justices, all appointed by Democratic governors, voted 4-3 for the decision
Well that’s a little squirt of sanity.
Put it this way, they are squeezing the pimple.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:
OCDC said:
The Colorado Supreme Court has declared former US president Donald Trump ineligible for the White House under the constitution’s insurrection clause and removed him from the state’s presidential primary ballot.Key points:
The decision is likely to lead to a US Supreme Court case to decide whether Mr Trump can remain in the race
It is the first time the insurrection clause has been used to disqualify a presidential candidate
The justices, all appointed by Democratic governors, voted 4-3 for the decision
Let’s hope it sticks.
But when you look at stuff like this:
you have to wonder what effect banning Trump would have on the pro-Trumpers.
Martyrdom.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:
OCDC said:
The Colorado Supreme Court has declared former US president Donald Trump ineligible for the White House under the constitution’s insurrection clause and removed him from the state’s presidential primary ballot.Key points:
The decision is likely to lead to a US Supreme Court case to decide whether Mr Trump can remain in the race
It is the first time the insurrection clause has been used to disqualify a presidential candidate
The justices, all appointed by Democratic governors, voted 4-3 for the decision
Let’s hope it sticks.
But when you look at stuff like this:
you have to wonder what effect banning Trump would have on the pro-Trumpers.
Never mind the pro Trump voters, what effect would it have on swinging voters.
So far all the legal action has pushed them into the Trump camp, it aint working.
Peak Warming Man said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:Let’s hope it sticks.
But when you look at stuff like this:
you have to wonder what effect banning Trump would have on the pro-Trumpers.
Never mind the pro Trump voters, what effect would it have on swinging voters.
So far all the legal action has pushed them into the Trump camp, it aint working.
That actually says what I meant to say better than what I said :)
Seems very mysterious to me, but not living there I don’t get bombarded with the conspiracy stuff in the way that the average Merkin must be.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:
OCDC said:
The Colorado Supreme Court has declared former US president Donald Trump ineligible for the White House under the constitution’s insurrection clause and removed him from the state’s presidential primary ballot.Key points:
The decision is likely to lead to a US Supreme Court case to decide whether Mr Trump can remain in the race
It is the first time the insurrection clause has been used to disqualify a presidential candidate
The justices, all appointed by Democratic governors, voted 4-3 for the decision
Let’s hope it sticks.
But when you look at stuff like this:
you have to wonder what effect banning Trump would have on the pro-Trumpers.
It’s interesting that the case was brought by Republicans and Independents, rather than Democrats.
Bubblecar said:
OCDC said:
The Colorado Supreme Court has declared former US president Donald Trump ineligible for the White House under the constitution’s insurrection clause and removed him from the state’s presidential primary ballot.Key points:
The decision is likely to lead to a US Supreme Court case to decide whether Mr Trump can remain in the race
It is the first time the insurrection clause has been used to disqualify a presidential candidate
The justices, all appointed by Democratic governors, voted 4-3 for the decision
Well that’s a little squirt of sanity.
Let’s hope for more.
>>News Qld laws to breath test e-scooter riders
Tou cant get pissed and go home safely on your escooter anymore.
Let’s talk about Trump being off the ballot in Colorado….
Beau of the Fifth Column
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWUJyR83TsE
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Maddow: Trump getting kicked off Colorado ballot ‘a real surprise’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cYwkiG9p9I
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Neither Beau or Rachel think that much will come of it.
Seem to be a lot of commentators suggesting the Supreme court is bound to side with Trump, but they have done zero favours for him.
https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-donald-trump-pennsylvania-elections-us-supreme-court-5cc6aee8c328c7bb1d423244b979bcec
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/22/us/politics/supreme-court-trump-taxes-financial-records.html
https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/us-supreme-court-formally-ends-trumps-fight-over-capitol-attack-records-2022-02-22/
kii said:
Democracy Now: Texas Law Targets Immigrants as Trump Cites Hitler.
Marisa Limón Garza mentions global migration and the US involvement South America.
A law proposing to ban firearms from being carried in most public places has been blocked by a federal judge in California.
Key points:
The law was set to take effect on January 1 in California
It would have banned people from carrying concealed guns in 26 places including public parks and playgrounds, churches, banks and zoos
The US District judge said the law was “sweeping, repugnant to the Second Amendment”
The block came as the judge ruled the law would violate the Second Amendment of the US Constitution and deprive people of their ability to defend themselves.
The Second Amendment protects the US right to keep and bear arms.
OCDC said:
A law proposing to ban firearms from being carried in most public places has been blocked by a federal judge in California.Key points:
The law was set to take effect on January 1 in California
It would have banned people from carrying concealed guns in 26 places including public parks and playgrounds, churches, banks and zoos
The US District judge said the law was “sweeping, repugnant to the Second Amendment”
The block came as the judge ruled the law would violate the Second Amendment of the US Constitution and deprive people of their ability to defend themselves.The Second Amendment protects the US right to keep and bear arms.
OCDC said:
A law proposing to ban firearms from being carried in most public places has been blocked by a federal judge in California.Key points:
The law was set to take effect on January 1 in California
It would have banned people from carrying concealed guns in 26 places including public parks and playgrounds, churches, banks and zoos
The US District judge said the law was “sweeping, repugnant to the Second Amendment”
The block came as the judge ruled the law would violate the Second Amendment of the US Constitution and deprive people of their ability to defend themselves.The Second Amendment protects the US right to keep and bear arms.
It would interesting to see statistics on how many guns were used to murder and how many to defend oneself against a credible threat
https://youtu.be/shTEMKZQ3rY?si=HFxZ1bZHL5sRBd_q
Legal Eagles
Supreme Court to rule of Presidential Immunity
Bubblecar said:
OCDC said:
The Colorado Supreme Court has declared former US president Donald Trump ineligible for the White House under the constitution’s insurrection clause and removed him from the state’s presidential primary ballot.Key points:
The decision is likely to lead to a US Supreme Court case to decide whether Mr Trump can remain in the race
It is the first time the insurrection clause has been used to disqualify a presidential candidate
The justices, all appointed by Democratic governors, voted 4-3 for the decision
Well that’s a little squirt of sanity.
GRATE! 1 down 49 to go.
buffy said:
kii said:
J6 idiot caught via dating app.
There is more than one way to skin a cat.
:)
ABC News:
However, it may not allow him to duck the money he owes the election workers, as judges have ruled that defamation penalties cannot be discharged if a debtor has engaged in “wilful and malicious” conduct.
The two former election workers, Wandrea “Shaye” Moss and her mother Ruby Freeman, faced a deluge of threats after Mr Giuliani falsely claimed they were engaged in voting fraud.
Mr Giuliani has repeated those claims following the December 15 verdict even though he has admitted in court that they were defamatory, prompting the two workers to file a second lawsuit.
A federal judge on Wednesday ruled Mr Giuliani must immediately begin paying the two women, concluding there was a risk he might attempt to conceal his assets.
A lawyer for the two women said bankruptcy would not discharge his debt to them.
Of course, he’s really hoping to stall until Trump is re-elected, and gives him a Presidential pardon.
Honestly, ‘Presidential pardons’ has got to be the most outlandish, addle-brained, inappropriate, ill-considered, and likely-abused power to give someone in a society which likes to think of itself as a ‘democracy’.
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:
However, it may not allow him to duck the money he owes the election workers, as judges have ruled that defamation penalties cannot be discharged if a debtor has engaged in “wilful and malicious” conduct.
The two former election workers, Wandrea “Shaye” Moss and her mother Ruby Freeman, faced a deluge of threats after Mr Giuliani falsely claimed they were engaged in voting fraud.
Mr Giuliani has repeated those claims following the December 15 verdict even though he has admitted in court that they were defamatory, prompting the two workers to file a second lawsuit.
A federal judge on Wednesday ruled Mr Giuliani must immediately begin paying the two women, concluding there was a risk he might attempt to conceal his assets.
A lawyer for the two women said bankruptcy would not discharge his debt to them.
Of course, he’s really hoping to stall until Trump is re-elected, and gives him a Presidential pardon.
Honestly, ‘Presidential pardons’ has got to be the most outlandish, addle-brained, inappropriate, ill-considered, and likely-abused power to give someone in a society which likes to think of itself as a ‘democracy’.
My GUESS is that he continued spitting his venom at the ladies even as he exited the courtroom
in the vain hope that THE Donald would cover his debt out of a sense of gratitude only to find
himself “thrown under the bus” like THE Dump has done to all his other former lawyers.
Using people like toilet paper is a lifelong pattern with this walking skidmark
Ogmog said:
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:
However, it may not allow him to duck the money he owes the election workers, as judges have ruled that defamation penalties cannot be discharged if a debtor has engaged in “wilful and malicious” conduct.
The two former election workers, Wandrea “Shaye” Moss and her mother Ruby Freeman, faced a deluge of threats after Mr Giuliani falsely claimed they were engaged in voting fraud.
Mr Giuliani has repeated those claims following the December 15 verdict even though he has admitted in court that they were defamatory, prompting the two workers to file a second lawsuit.
A federal judge on Wednesday ruled Mr Giuliani must immediately begin paying the two women, concluding there was a risk he might attempt to conceal his assets.
A lawyer for the two women said bankruptcy would not discharge his debt to them.
Of course, he’s really hoping to stall until Trump is re-elected, and gives him a Presidential pardon.
Honestly, ‘Presidential pardons’ has got to be the most outlandish, addle-brained, inappropriate, ill-considered, and likely-abused power to give someone in a society which likes to think of itself as a ‘democracy’.
My GUESS is that he continued spitting his venom at the ladies even as he exited the courtroom
in the vain hope that THE Donald would cover his debt out of a sense of gratitude only to find
himself “thrown under the bus” like THE Dump has done to all his other former lawyers.
Using people like toilet paper is a lifelong pattern with this walking skidmark
https://news.yahoo.com/senate-staffer-alleged-conservative-outlets-214119516.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAMqLMFeFBvf3_OQnzeHidR7nzdhJBvNxNBhKmsX9iuEeEWXIubojK_xF3sJ8tQ6tbnoprLJUfXAVnNZXe4ZOBviC_80xUT2fz-QBQoc2VSUFZBGn9tSN6jZQt0kHmGk_HT40×4klNtEJSdh5VXpWBLRP64Hh03HERG4d0WIUWqWO
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:
However, it may not allow him to duck the money he owes the election workers, as judges have ruled that defamation penalties cannot be discharged if a debtor has engaged in “wilful and malicious” conduct.
The two former election workers, Wandrea “Shaye” Moss and her mother Ruby Freeman, faced a deluge of threats after Mr Giuliani falsely claimed they were engaged in voting fraud.
Mr Giuliani has repeated those claims following the December 15 verdict even though he has admitted in court that they were defamatory, prompting the two workers to file a second lawsuit.
A federal judge on Wednesday ruled Mr Giuliani must immediately begin paying the two women, concluding there was a risk he might attempt to conceal his assets.
A lawyer for the two women said bankruptcy would not discharge his debt to them.
Of course, he’s really hoping to stall until Trump is re-elected, and gives him a Presidential pardon.
Honestly, ‘Presidential pardons’ has got to be the most outlandish, addle-brained, inappropriate, ill-considered, and likely-abused power to give someone in a society which likes to think of itself as a ‘democracy’.
What about pardoning your brother.
captain_spalding said:
Of course, he’s really hoping to stall until Trump is re-elected, and gives him a Presidential pardon.
Honestly, ‘Presidential pardons’ has got to be the most outlandish, addle-brained, inappropriate, ill-considered, and likely-abused power to give someone in a society which likes to think of itself as a ‘democracy’.
No.
Presidential pardons can only be given for federal crimes. They don’t apply to civil cases, they don’t apply to state crimes. He might get a pardon for the January 6 matters, but he still faces charges in several states over fake electors and interference in state election counting. All civil matters he is still fair game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVBtTykRG-8
Let’s talk about Trump, recordings, and Michigan….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IDdYAfU2m8
I’ve been reading a book which deals at some length with Gen. Douglas MacArthur, and i’m struck by the similarities between him and Trump.
The staggering narcissism, the need to be the only one on the stage, the overblown sense of own importance, the persecution complex, the black/white us/them mentality, the flagrant disregard for any higher authority or dictate, the obsession with personal goals and vendettas…all quite interchangeable between the two.
MacArthur harboured Presidential ambitions of his own. Who knows where we’d be if he hadn’t been made to step down?
captain_spalding said:
I’ve been reading a book which deals at some length with Gen. Douglas MacArthur, and i’m struck by the similarities between him and Trump.The staggering narcissism, the need to be the only one on the stage, the overblown sense of own importance, the persecution complex, the black/white us/them mentality, the flagrant disregard for any higher authority or dictate, the obsession with personal goals and vendettas…all quite interchangeable between the two.
MacArthur harboured Presidential ambitions of his own. Who knows where we’d be if he hadn’t been made to step down?
I came to a similar conclusion of him.
Not from reading a book about him but by reading many books about the second world war and the Korean war.
Peak Warming Man said:
captain_spalding said:
I’ve been reading a book which deals at some length with Gen. Douglas MacArthur, and i’m struck by the similarities between him and Trump.The staggering narcissism, the need to be the only one on the stage, the overblown sense of own importance, the persecution complex, the black/white us/them mentality, the flagrant disregard for any higher authority or dictate, the obsession with personal goals and vendettas…all quite interchangeable between the two.
MacArthur harboured Presidential ambitions of his own. Who knows where we’d be if he hadn’t been made to step down?
I came to a similar conclusion of him.
Not from reading a book about him but by reading many books about the second world war and the Korean war.
This one is Max Hastings’ Nemesis:
Not just about MacArthur, but Max gives us a good look at MacArthur and his obsessive S/W Pacific campaign, especially the shockingly wasteful Philippines conquest.
captain_spalding said:
I’ve been reading a book which deals at some length with Gen. Douglas MacArthur, and i’m struck by the similarities between him and Trump.The staggering narcissism, the need to be the only one on the stage, the overblown sense of own importance, the persecution complex, the black/white us/them mentality, the flagrant disregard for any higher authority or dictate, the obsession with personal goals and vendettas…all quite interchangeable between the two.
MacArthur harboured Presidential ambitions of his own. Who knows where we’d be if he hadn’t been made to step down?
MacArthur spent some of his childhood at Radium Springs, NM. His father was stationed at Fort Selden.
kii said:
captain_spalding said:
I’ve been reading a book which deals at some length with Gen. Douglas MacArthur, and i’m struck by the similarities between him and Trump.The staggering narcissism, the need to be the only one on the stage, the overblown sense of own importance, the persecution complex, the black/white us/them mentality, the flagrant disregard for any higher authority or dictate, the obsession with personal goals and vendettas…all quite interchangeable between the two.
MacArthur harboured Presidential ambitions of his own. Who knows where we’d be if he hadn’t been made to step down?
MacArthur spent some of his childhood at Radium Springs, NM. His father was stationed at Fort Selden.
A cropped photo of MacArthur and his parental units + a brother. IIRC Douglas is the younger child. I took more photos, but no idea where they are. I cropped this one to look like his family was part of the landscape, yeah….a bit silly. The rocky things are walls of the old fort.
kii said:
kii said:
captain_spalding said:
I’ve been reading a book which deals at some length with Gen. Douglas MacArthur, and i’m struck by the similarities between him and Trump.The staggering narcissism, the need to be the only one on the stage, the overblown sense of own importance, the persecution complex, the black/white us/them mentality, the flagrant disregard for any higher authority or dictate, the obsession with personal goals and vendettas…all quite interchangeable between the two.
MacArthur harboured Presidential ambitions of his own. Who knows where we’d be if he hadn’t been made to step down?
MacArthur spent some of his childhood at Radium Springs, NM. His father was stationed at Fort Selden.
A cropped photo of MacArthur and his parental units + a brother. IIRC Douglas is the younger child. I took more photos, but no idea where they are. I cropped this one to look like his family was part of the landscape, yeah….a bit silly. The rocky things are walls of the old fort.
A photo from the interwebs. Apparently the mudbrick walls in the photo are ruins of the MacArthur family home.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0AOn9SzG7I
sarahs mum said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0AOn9SzG7I
Good
Supreme Court rejects prosecutor’s request, will not rule on Trump immunity yet
https://www.reuters.com/legal/us-supreme-court-wont-rule-trumps-immunity-claim-2020-election-case-now-2023-12-22/
Marjorie Taylor Greene FINALLY faces punishment in Congress
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=015gqS82eMk
Tau.Neutrino said:
Marjorie Taylor Greene FINALLY faces punishment in Congress
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=015gqS82eMk
Balint doesn’t hold back. She hardly draws a breath.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Marjorie Taylor Greene FINALLY faces punishment in Congress
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=015gqS82eMk
Should be noted that this is from 2 months back and the vote was not held, once it was clear there were not going to be enough Republican backers
dv said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Marjorie Taylor Greene FINALLY faces punishment in Congress
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=015gqS82eMkShould be noted that this is from 2 months back and the vote was not held, once it was clear there were not going to be enough Republican backers
I did note.
But she did try hard.
https://youtu.be/1cdtXoP76qc?si=_ob87DO5nA-GFRmB
Legal Eagle on Giuliani’s legal troubles.
His lawyer’s case seems to be “this is a great man who has gone nuts”.
After RG gave a little courthouse speech where he continued the defamation he’d just been sued for, his lawyer kind of shuffled him towards his car, in what John Oliver described as “a rare attempt to weekend-at-Bernie someone who is still alive”.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4370059-42-percent-of-gop-iowa-caucus-goers-say-poisoning-the-blood-remarks-make-them-more-likely-to-support-trump-poll/
42 percent of GOP Iowa caucusgoers say ‘poisoning the blood’ remarks make them more likely to support Trump: poll
Forty-two percent of likely Iowa Republican caucusgoers said that former President Trump’s recent remarks about immigrants “poisoning the blood” of the country makes them more likely to support him, according to a new poll.
Twenty-eight percent of likely Iowa GOP caucusgoers said Trump’s “poisoning the blood” comments made them less likely to support him in the caucuses. Twenty-nine percent said the remark “does not matter” when it comes to their support.
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Got to hand it to Trump, he absolutely knows his audience.
dv said:
Got to hand it to Trump, he absolutely knows his audience.
Yeah, all descendants of immigrants from the various poorer parts of Europe.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Marjorie Taylor Greene FINALLY faces punishment in Congress
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=015gqS82eMk
LOL @ Empty Head.
When her family needed money, Nikki Haley found a lucrative path
The candidate’s public policy positions — hawkish and pro-business — created well-paid private opportunities when she abruptly resigned from government in 2018
By Isaac Stanley-Becker
December 22, 2023 at 6:00 a.m. EST
Nikki Haley was representing the United States on the world stage, as President Donald Trump’s ambassador to the United Nations, when something closer to home intervened in 2017: a property dispute back in South Carolina.
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Bankers were foreclosing on her parents’ lake house, and they were having trouble tracking down the family. They tried the house itself, on the shores of picturesque Lake Murray, as well as Haley’s home in a suburb of Columbia. She was initially named as a defendant in the action.
In vain, they went to Haley’s workplace: the headquarters of the U.S. mission to the United Nations in New York.
“Denied access by U.N. security,” a process server scrawled on an affidavit filed in January 2018.
The foreclosure action, initiated even as Haley served in the highest echelons of government, illustrates the financial pressure she faced as her family’s primary breadwinner during her last stint in public service, which ended when she abruptly quit government later that year and entered the private sector.
In short order, she improved her financial position dramatically, making millions from private consulting, paid speeches and spots on corporate boards. She quickly extricated herself from the lake house proceedings and, in 2019, purchased a $2.4 million property on Kiawah Island — a gated community near Charleston — with arched porticos, columns, balconies and stone balustrades.
Haley’s finances are under a spotlight as she seeks a return to public life, this time as president. A financial disclosure she submitted earlier this year, as required for candidates, shows how she followed a well-worn path to wealth: trading on her government experience, both as U.N. ambassador and, before that, as governor of South Carolina.
The public profile Haley, 51, cultivated as a Republican official — melding deregulatory policies with interventionist and adamantly pro-Israel positions — created lucrative private opportunities. In an 11-month period ending January 2023, she earned about $2.5 million from paid speeches alone, delivered to banks, other businesses and advocacy groups, according to her disclosure. That’s more than she earned in combined salary during the eight years she spent as governor and then a presidential Cabinet member.
Numerous candidates in the GOP field are well-off, including Trump, who also has received generous payments for speeches since leaving office. The specific sources of Haley’s wealth highlight her ties to traditional Republican interests, namely big business and muscular foreign policy. This is political fodder for her opponents, as tides of populism and isolationism rip through the party. At a recent debate, the entrepreneur Vivek Ramaswamy criticized her for giving “foreign multinational speeches like Hillary Clinton.”
In response to questions about Haley’s finances, her campaign said in a statement: “These are old claims answered long ago and re-upped by the liberal media because Nikki is surging. Democrats fear Nikki the most because poll after poll shows she would trounce Joe Biden in a head-to-head matchup.”
A Haley spokesperson said the campaign does not have transcripts of Haley’s paid speeches because most took the form of question-and-answer sessions. Haley also has not released her recent tax returns. The spokesperson said she intends to but did not respond to questions about when.
In 2016, Haley condemned Trump for withholding such documents. “Donald Trump, show us your tax returns!” she said at the time. And she took a swipe at Hillary Clinton, the Democratic nominee for president, who had come under criticism for refusing to reveal the contents of her paid speeches. “We have two presidential candidates that refuse to disclose information: Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump,” she said.
Haley’s reversal of fortune sheds light on inconsistencies between her public posturing and personal finances. She has touted her background in accounting yet faced penalties for failing to pay taxes on time, according to state records and news reports. She has demanded transparency from political adversaries yet veiled some aspects of her own sudden wealth while not always maintaining bright lines between her public role and private life.
After she left the U.N., government investigators found that seven private flights she had accepted while in office risked the “appearance of a conflict of interest,” though they did not violate executive branch gift rules, according to documents obtained by The Washington Post. The finding has not previously been reported.
Longtime associates say Haley’s finances are bound up with her family story. After watching her immigrant parents work nonstop, and supporting them financially when they stumbled, she resolved to use her stature and relationships to make sure she was on firmer footing.
“She rubbed shoulders with many of these corporate folks, and she took that and decided to monetize it, because that’s what people in government who are popular do,” said Hal Stevenson, a South Carolina businessman and former board member of a nonprofit founded by Haley. “I think she had this sense of, ‘I’ve got this window to make some money and take care of my kids.’”
Haley the accountant
As she rose politically, Haley often emphasized her background as an accountant.
She traces her financial acumen to her teenage years, when she prepared the taxes and wrote checks for her mother’s business in Bamberg, a small city southeast of Columbia where Haley’s parents, immigrants from India, settled in the late 1960s.
“I developed a huge love of numbers,” she wrote of her work at the business in a 2012 autobiography. “When the store’s books were off by two cents, I loved finding those two cents.”
She studied accounting at Clemson University and worked for a recycling company in Charlotte before returning to the family business, called Exotica International, a gift shop that grew into an international clothing emporium. Haley wrote that she handled accounting, budgeting, marketing and sales reports for the burgeoning operation, which, according to promotional materials for the business, eventually relocated to a 10,000-square-foot facility in Columbia, the state capital. Her husband, Michael Haley, worked as the menswear manager for a time.
Exotica International closed its doors in 2008. But it became a headache for Haley during her first bid for governor of South Carolina, in 2010. Records show the company was penalized on numerous occasions for failing to pay taxes.
When the tax delinquencies came to light, Haley blamed the tax system and vowed to simplify it as governor. Years after the company’s closure, however, it was still facing fines for tax problems, according to a lien filed in 2013. Haley and her husband also faced fines for paying their own taxes late, at least twice filing more than 14 months behind schedule, according to records she released during the 2010 campaign.
The pattern provided fodder to her Democratic opponent, Vincent Sheheen, whose campaign argued, “Every time she touches a balance sheet, she leaves behind a trail of tax liens and penalties.” Haley acknowledged the penalties at the time, saying, “We saw incomes ups and downs.”
The issue didn’t sway voters, who elected Haley in 2010 and reelected her four years later. In the governor’s office, she cultivated a pro-business reputation, welcoming a wide range of industry, including a Singaporean tire company and a Chinese fiberglass company, to South Carolina. In 2013, she championed $120 million in taxpayer-backed incentives to help aerospace giant Boeing expand in North Charleston.
She continued to live relatively modestly by the standards of a state’s chief executive. She and her husband, a businessman and Army National Guardsman, made just under $200,000 in 2014, including her state salary of about $106,000, according to tax returns released in line with gubernatorial custom. Their income fell the following year to about $170,000, as Haley’s husband transitioned to a part-time role with the reserve force. They had two teenage children.
In 2016, Trump chose her as his U.N. ambassador, which came as a surprise, according to Haley. In her 2019 memoir, she recalls telling the president-elect’s team, “I don’t even know what the United Nations does!”
‘Appearance of a conflict’
Haley moved to New York and soon learned that life at the U.N. demanded a tight schedule. So for trips back home to South Carolina, she sometimes leaned on affluent friends.
Among those friends was Jimmy Gibbs, whose industrial machinery and commercial real estate business provided a plane for Haley and her husband four times in 2017, according to a financial disclosure form she filed as a top executive branch official.
The following year, Gibbs met with Haley’s chief of staff and other U.S. officials to discuss how his company “could help at the U.N. and in other countries,” according to a previously unreported probe into the flights by the State Department’s Office of Inspector General in 2019.
Soon after the meeting, Gibbs’s company was placed on a State Department list of entities seeking to do business with the government, the probe found. The inspector general’s report found that Haley learned of Gibbs’s planned session with her staff the day before it took place.
The events concerned ethics officials, according to the report. Upon learning of the meeting, one official wrote in an email that “these interactions call into question whether the gift was given based on a personal friendship rather than because of Ambassador Haley’s position and the opportunity for access at USUN,” referring to the U.S. mission to the United Nations.
Haley told the inspector general’s office that her staff had consulted with the State Department’s Office of the Legal Adviser before accepting the flights. Other officials clarified that approval had only been sought for the first flight, not the subsequent ones.
The inspector general’s office found that Haley had not violated the government’s gift regulations because she had shown that Gibbs and others who had bestowed flights were her personal friends. Federal rules permit gifts from family and friends but state that employees should decline if “a reasonable person with knowledge of the relevant facts would question the employee’s integrity.”
The inspector general’s office concluded that if Haley were still serving, the office would advise against accepting similar flights “to prevent the appearance of a conflict of interest,” especially given that Gibbs’s company sought to do business with the department.
Haley’s campaign responded to questions about the flights by stating that “no policy was violated.” Gibbs did not respond to a request for comment.
The flights he provided brought Haley to South Carolina for various reasons. In June 2017, she sat for an interview about the 2015 shooting at a historic Black church in Charleston. In November, she attended a Clemson football game.
Helping her parents
The same month as the football game, Haley had another reason to turn her gaze back home to South Carolina: Bank of America was beginning foreclosure proceedings on her parents’ lake house in Lexington, a suburb of Columbia.
Haley and her husband were named as defendants in the suit because the property was used as collateral when the couple loaned Haley’s parents $400,000 several years earlier.
In mid-November, the bank attempted to deliver court papers at the U.S. Mission to the United Nations, according to an affidavit submitted the following January. By June 2018, Haley and her husband had relinquished interest in the house and were removed as defendants. The court ordered a sale of the property the following spring.
Meanwhile, a complex set of transactions allowed Haley and her husband to take other steps to help her parents financially. That included purchasing the strip mall that once housed the family clothing business — for $5 and “love and affection,” even though more than $1 million of debt came with the property — and then selling it off to a local real estate developer, deeds and other records show.
In response to questions about family property, a Haley spokesperson said only, “This has been litigated repeatedly.”
“There were financial troubles toward the end,” said Stevenson, the South Carolina businessman and longtime Haley associate, who got to know the family when he arranged advertising for their company in its early days. Haley, he said, “was there to support her parents.”
Haley and her husband were hardly flush with cash. A financial disclosure she filed in her final year at the U.N. in 2018 shows they had as much as $65,000 in credit card debt and two mortgages totaling about $1.5 million, along with a line of credit of between $250,000 and $500,000. Haley was earning less than $200,000 as U.N. ambassador, and her husband was making no more than $100,000 from his company, Ikor Systems, according to the filing.
Because the figures are disclosed in ranges, a more detailed analysis of Haley’s finances is not possible.
But not long after, Haley made sudden changes that allowed her to increase her earnings. In October 2018, she announced that she would leave government at the end of the year.
In her resignation letter, she addressed Trump “as a businessman” and told him, “I expect you will appreciate my sense that returning from government to the private sector is not a step down but a step up.”
Corporate boards, consulting, speaking fees
The private sector proved lucrative for Haley.
She quickly joined the board of Boeing, earning more than $250,000 in fees and stock awards in 2019, according to a company filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission. At the time of Haley’s selection, Boeing’s chairman and chief executive praised her “outstanding record of achievement in government.”
A person who served on the board with her, and spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss private corporate matters, said she was a valuable asset not only because of her support for Boeing when she was governor of South Carolina but also because of her time at the United Nations. The aerospace manufacturer generates 80 percent of its commercial airplane revenue overseas.
Haley quit the board in the spring of 2020, as the coronavirus began to send shocks through the economy. In a letter to company leaders included in a regulatory filing, Haley, who seven years earlier had granted generous bond money to Boeing for its expansion in South Carolina, said she disagreed with the company’s “move to lean on the federal government for a stimulus or bailout that prioritizes our company over others and relies on taxpayers to guarantee our financial position.”
The company had issued a statement advocating government support for the aerospace industry, though it ended up not seeking a bailout.
Haley soon found other opportunities, joining the board of Great Southern Homes, a major home builder in the Southeast. And she began advising a venture fund called Prism Global Management. The fund has no website and indicated on an SEC filing that its principal place of business is a private residence. But it paid Haley more than $700,000 in 2022 and the first part of this year, according to Haley’s candidate disclosure.
A notice about Prism Global’s launch, in an email newsletter devoted to hedge fund activity, said the fund was expected to begin trading with about $1 billion, focusing on technology, media and communications in the United States and abroad. A person who has worked with Prism’s founder and chief executive, investor Richard Kang, said the fund’s goal is to finance companies that compete with China, lessening its influence. A spokesman for Prism Global confirmed these details.
On her disclosure, Haley described herself as a “senior advisor” to the fund. When an attendee at a recent town hall in Iowa asked her about that work, she touted her experience in foreign affairs. “And so what they do is they ask me anything that’s going on, for example, they’ll ask me what’s going on in the Middle East,” she said. “Or they’ll ask me what I think about China. The big thing with Prism Global is they want to make sure that companies stop investing in China.”
Haley has traveled widely in recent months sharing her thoughts with global audiences. She delivered a dozen speeches between March 2022 and January 2023 for which she was generally paid $185,000 per engagement, according to her candidate disclosure.
But her fees sometimes went higher, including the $346,000 she earned from the Mount Scopus College Foundation, which funds a Jewish day school in Melbourne, Australia. The foundation’s CEO did not respond to a request for comment, but its website states that, during Haley’s visit last year, she “answered students’ questions on topics ranging from her work at the U.N., leadership advice to young women, and the war in Ukraine, to her time as a member of President Trump’s cabinet.”
Haley’s staunch defense of Israel at the United Nations has made her a popular guest for pro-Israel groups. Shimon Fogel, chief executive of the Centre for Israel and Jewish Affairs in Canada, said she spoke about global affairs and confronting antisemitism in an appearance last December, which earned her $230,000.
“She is much admired in the Jewish community for obvious reasons — and not in an especially partisan way,” Fogel added. “For us, it was a very worthwhile initiative.”
Other common audiences include banks, in locations as disparate as Chicago and Singapore, and health care, industrial and aerospace companies throughout the United States. She twice addressed subsidiaries of Barclays, the British banking giant. A bank spokesman declined to comment.
Haley didn’t accept an honorarium for all appearances. She waived the speaker’s fee when she was the guest of honor a 2019 gala hosted by UN Watch, a monitoring group that’s often critical of the United Nations, including for what it sees as anti-Israel bias within the organization.
Instead, an American branch of the watchdog group made a $50,000 donation to a charity of Haley’s choice, and she opted for her own nonprofit, called the Original Six Foundation, according to a UN Watch spokesman. Formed by Haley in 2011, the Original Six Foundation took its name from the original six members of Haley’s family: her parents, Ajit and Raj Randhawa, and their four children. As a nonprofit, the group isn’t required to disclose its donors, but has sometimes thanked individual sponsors, such as Boeing.
According to tax filings, the foundation’s goal is to improve rural education and after-school programs in South Carolina. But during her time at the United Nations, its fundraising dwindled to less than $100,000. It has since rebounded to more than $500,000 in annual revenue, just as Haley’s personal fortune has increased.
The insights Haley gained on the world stage have a high market value, said Patrick McKinney, a former real estate developer on South Carolina’s Kiawah Island who has known Haley since her 2010 gubernatorial campaign and once served on her foundation’s board.
“People want to understand things from her perspective,” he said. “And they’re willing to pay for it.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/12/22/nikki-haley-wealth/?
Witty Rejoinder said:
When her family needed money, Nikki Haley found a lucrative path
The candidate’s public policy positions — hawkish and pro-business — created well-paid private opportunities when she abruptly resigned from government in 2018By Isaac Stanley-Becker
December 22, 2023 at 6:00 a.m. ESTNikki Haley was representing the United States on the world stage, as President Donald Trump’s ambassador to the United Nations, when something closer to home intervened in 2017: a property dispute back in South Carolina.
Keeping up with politics is easy with The 5-Minute Fix Newsletter, in your inbox weekdays.
Bankers were foreclosing on her parents’ lake house, and they were having trouble tracking down the family. They tried the house itself, on the shores of picturesque Lake Murray, as well as Haley’s home in a suburb of Columbia. She was initially named as a defendant in the action.In vain, they went to Haley’s workplace: the headquarters of the U.S. mission to the United Nations in New York.
“Denied access by U.N. security,” a process server scrawled on an affidavit filed in January 2018.
The foreclosure action, initiated even as Haley served in the highest echelons of government, illustrates the financial pressure she faced as her family’s primary breadwinner during her last stint in public service, which ended when she abruptly quit government later that year and entered the private sector.
In short order, she improved her financial position dramatically, making millions from private consulting, paid speeches and spots on corporate boards. She quickly extricated herself from the lake house proceedings and, in 2019, purchased a $2.4 million property on Kiawah Island — a gated community near Charleston — with arched porticos, columns, balconies and stone balustrades.
Haley’s finances are under a spotlight as she seeks a return to public life, this time as president. A financial disclosure she submitted earlier this year, as required for candidates, shows how she followed a well-worn path to wealth: trading on her government experience, both as U.N. ambassador and, before that, as governor of South Carolina.
The public profile Haley, 51, cultivated as a Republican official — melding deregulatory policies with interventionist and adamantly pro-Israel positions — created lucrative private opportunities. In an 11-month period ending January 2023, she earned about $2.5 million from paid speeches alone, delivered to banks, other businesses and advocacy groups, according to her disclosure. That’s more than she earned in combined salary during the eight years she spent as governor and then a presidential Cabinet member.
Numerous candidates in the GOP field are well-off, including Trump, who also has received generous payments for speeches since leaving office. The specific sources of Haley’s wealth highlight her ties to traditional Republican interests, namely big business and muscular foreign policy. This is political fodder for her opponents, as tides of populism and isolationism rip through the party. At a recent debate, the entrepreneur Vivek Ramaswamy criticized her for giving “foreign multinational speeches like Hillary Clinton.”
In response to questions about Haley’s finances, her campaign said in a statement: “These are old claims answered long ago and re-upped by the liberal media because Nikki is surging. Democrats fear Nikki the most because poll after poll shows she would trounce Joe Biden in a head-to-head matchup.”
A Haley spokesperson said the campaign does not have transcripts of Haley’s paid speeches because most took the form of question-and-answer sessions. Haley also has not released her recent tax returns. The spokesperson said she intends to but did not respond to questions about when.
In 2016, Haley condemned Trump for withholding such documents. “Donald Trump, show us your tax returns!” she said at the time. And she took a swipe at Hillary Clinton, the Democratic nominee for president, who had come under criticism for refusing to reveal the contents of her paid speeches. “We have two presidential candidates that refuse to disclose information: Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump,” she said.
Haley’s reversal of fortune sheds light on inconsistencies between her public posturing and personal finances. She has touted her background in accounting yet faced penalties for failing to pay taxes on time, according to state records and news reports. She has demanded transparency from political adversaries yet veiled some aspects of her own sudden wealth while not always maintaining bright lines between her public role and private life.
After she left the U.N., government investigators found that seven private flights she had accepted while in office risked the “appearance of a conflict of interest,” though they did not violate executive branch gift rules, according to documents obtained by The Washington Post. The finding has not previously been reported.
Longtime associates say Haley’s finances are bound up with her family story. After watching her immigrant parents work nonstop, and supporting them financially when they stumbled, she resolved to use her stature and relationships to make sure she was on firmer footing.
“She rubbed shoulders with many of these corporate folks, and she took that and decided to monetize it, because that’s what people in government who are popular do,” said Hal Stevenson, a South Carolina businessman and former board member of a nonprofit founded by Haley. “I think she had this sense of, ‘I’ve got this window to make some money and take care of my kids.’”
Haley the accountant
As she rose politically, Haley often emphasized her background as an accountant.She traces her financial acumen to her teenage years, when she prepared the taxes and wrote checks for her mother’s business in Bamberg, a small city southeast of Columbia where Haley’s parents, immigrants from India, settled in the late 1960s.
“I developed a huge love of numbers,” she wrote of her work at the business in a 2012 autobiography. “When the store’s books were off by two cents, I loved finding those two cents.”
She studied accounting at Clemson University and worked for a recycling company in Charlotte before returning to the family business, called Exotica International, a gift shop that grew into an international clothing emporium. Haley wrote that she handled accounting, budgeting, marketing and sales reports for the burgeoning operation, which, according to promotional materials for the business, eventually relocated to a 10,000-square-foot facility in Columbia, the state capital. Her husband, Michael Haley, worked as the menswear manager for a time.
Exotica International closed its doors in 2008. But it became a headache for Haley during her first bid for governor of South Carolina, in 2010. Records show the company was penalized on numerous occasions for failing to pay taxes.
When the tax delinquencies came to light, Haley blamed the tax system and vowed to simplify it as governor. Years after the company’s closure, however, it was still facing fines for tax problems, according to a lien filed in 2013. Haley and her husband also faced fines for paying their own taxes late, at least twice filing more than 14 months behind schedule, according to records she released during the 2010 campaign.
The pattern provided fodder to her Democratic opponent, Vincent Sheheen, whose campaign argued, “Every time she touches a balance sheet, she leaves behind a trail of tax liens and penalties.” Haley acknowledged the penalties at the time, saying, “We saw incomes ups and downs.”
The issue didn’t sway voters, who elected Haley in 2010 and reelected her four years later. In the governor’s office, she cultivated a pro-business reputation, welcoming a wide range of industry, including a Singaporean tire company and a Chinese fiberglass company, to South Carolina. In 2013, she championed $120 million in taxpayer-backed incentives to help aerospace giant Boeing expand in North Charleston.
She continued to live relatively modestly by the standards of a state’s chief executive. She and her husband, a businessman and Army National Guardsman, made just under $200,000 in 2014, including her state salary of about $106,000, according to tax returns released in line with gubernatorial custom. Their income fell the following year to about $170,000, as Haley’s husband transitioned to a part-time role with the reserve force. They had two teenage children.
In 2016, Trump chose her as his U.N. ambassador, which came as a surprise, according to Haley. In her 2019 memoir, she recalls telling the president-elect’s team, “I don’t even know what the United Nations does!”
‘Appearance of a conflict’
Haley moved to New York and soon learned that life at the U.N. demanded a tight schedule. So for trips back home to South Carolina, she sometimes leaned on affluent friends.Among those friends was Jimmy Gibbs, whose industrial machinery and commercial real estate business provided a plane for Haley and her husband four times in 2017, according to a financial disclosure form she filed as a top executive branch official.
The following year, Gibbs met with Haley’s chief of staff and other U.S. officials to discuss how his company “could help at the U.N. and in other countries,” according to a previously unreported probe into the flights by the State Department’s Office of Inspector General in 2019.
Soon after the meeting, Gibbs’s company was placed on a State Department list of entities seeking to do business with the government, the probe found. The inspector general’s report found that Haley learned of Gibbs’s planned session with her staff the day before it took place.
The events concerned ethics officials, according to the report. Upon learning of the meeting, one official wrote in an email that “these interactions call into question whether the gift was given based on a personal friendship rather than because of Ambassador Haley’s position and the opportunity for access at USUN,” referring to the U.S. mission to the United Nations.
Haley told the inspector general’s office that her staff had consulted with the State Department’s Office of the Legal Adviser before accepting the flights. Other officials clarified that approval had only been sought for the first flight, not the subsequent ones.
The inspector general’s office found that Haley had not violated the government’s gift regulations because she had shown that Gibbs and others who had bestowed flights were her personal friends. Federal rules permit gifts from family and friends but state that employees should decline if “a reasonable person with knowledge of the relevant facts would question the employee’s integrity.”
The inspector general’s office concluded that if Haley were still serving, the office would advise against accepting similar flights “to prevent the appearance of a conflict of interest,” especially given that Gibbs’s company sought to do business with the department.
Haley’s campaign responded to questions about the flights by stating that “no policy was violated.” Gibbs did not respond to a request for comment.
The flights he provided brought Haley to South Carolina for various reasons. In June 2017, she sat for an interview about the 2015 shooting at a historic Black church in Charleston. In November, she attended a Clemson football game.
Helping her parents
The same month as the football game, Haley had another reason to turn her gaze back home to South Carolina: Bank of America was beginning foreclosure proceedings on her parents’ lake house in Lexington, a suburb of Columbia.Haley and her husband were named as defendants in the suit because the property was used as collateral when the couple loaned Haley’s parents $400,000 several years earlier.
In mid-November, the bank attempted to deliver court papers at the U.S. Mission to the United Nations, according to an affidavit submitted the following January. By June 2018, Haley and her husband had relinquished interest in the house and were removed as defendants. The court ordered a sale of the property the following spring.
Meanwhile, a complex set of transactions allowed Haley and her husband to take other steps to help her parents financially. That included purchasing the strip mall that once housed the family clothing business — for $5 and “love and affection,” even though more than $1 million of debt came with the property — and then selling it off to a local real estate developer, deeds and other records show.
In response to questions about family property, a Haley spokesperson said only, “This has been litigated repeatedly.”
“There were financial troubles toward the end,” said Stevenson, the South Carolina businessman and longtime Haley associate, who got to know the family when he arranged advertising for their company in its early days. Haley, he said, “was there to support her parents.”
Haley and her husband were hardly flush with cash. A financial disclosure she filed in her final year at the U.N. in 2018 shows they had as much as $65,000 in credit card debt and two mortgages totaling about $1.5 million, along with a line of credit of between $250,000 and $500,000. Haley was earning less than $200,000 as U.N. ambassador, and her husband was making no more than $100,000 from his company, Ikor Systems, according to the filing.
Because the figures are disclosed in ranges, a more detailed analysis of Haley’s finances is not possible.
But not long after, Haley made sudden changes that allowed her to increase her earnings. In October 2018, she announced that she would leave government at the end of the year.
In her resignation letter, she addressed Trump “as a businessman” and told him, “I expect you will appreciate my sense that returning from government to the private sector is not a step down but a step up.”
Corporate boards, consulting, speaking fees
The private sector proved lucrative for Haley.She quickly joined the board of Boeing, earning more than $250,000 in fees and stock awards in 2019, according to a company filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission. At the time of Haley’s selection, Boeing’s chairman and chief executive praised her “outstanding record of achievement in government.”
A person who served on the board with her, and spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss private corporate matters, said she was a valuable asset not only because of her support for Boeing when she was governor of South Carolina but also because of her time at the United Nations. The aerospace manufacturer generates 80 percent of its commercial airplane revenue overseas.
Haley quit the board in the spring of 2020, as the coronavirus began to send shocks through the economy. In a letter to company leaders included in a regulatory filing, Haley, who seven years earlier had granted generous bond money to Boeing for its expansion in South Carolina, said she disagreed with the company’s “move to lean on the federal government for a stimulus or bailout that prioritizes our company over others and relies on taxpayers to guarantee our financial position.”
The company had issued a statement advocating government support for the aerospace industry, though it ended up not seeking a bailout.
Haley soon found other opportunities, joining the board of Great Southern Homes, a major home builder in the Southeast. And she began advising a venture fund called Prism Global Management. The fund has no website and indicated on an SEC filing that its principal place of business is a private residence. But it paid Haley more than $700,000 in 2022 and the first part of this year, according to Haley’s candidate disclosure.
A notice about Prism Global’s launch, in an email newsletter devoted to hedge fund activity, said the fund was expected to begin trading with about $1 billion, focusing on technology, media and communications in the United States and abroad. A person who has worked with Prism’s founder and chief executive, investor Richard Kang, said the fund’s goal is to finance companies that compete with China, lessening its influence. A spokesman for Prism Global confirmed these details.
On her disclosure, Haley described herself as a “senior advisor” to the fund. When an attendee at a recent town hall in Iowa asked her about that work, she touted her experience in foreign affairs. “And so what they do is they ask me anything that’s going on, for example, they’ll ask me what’s going on in the Middle East,” she said. “Or they’ll ask me what I think about China. The big thing with Prism Global is they want to make sure that companies stop investing in China.”
Haley has traveled widely in recent months sharing her thoughts with global audiences. She delivered a dozen speeches between March 2022 and January 2023 for which she was generally paid $185,000 per engagement, according to her candidate disclosure.
But her fees sometimes went higher, including the $346,000 she earned from the Mount Scopus College Foundation, which funds a Jewish day school in Melbourne, Australia. The foundation’s CEO did not respond to a request for comment, but its website states that, during Haley’s visit last year, she “answered students’ questions on topics ranging from her work at the U.N., leadership advice to young women, and the war in Ukraine, to her time as a member of President Trump’s cabinet.”
Haley’s staunch defense of Israel at the United Nations has made her a popular guest for pro-Israel groups. Shimon Fogel, chief executive of the Centre for Israel and Jewish Affairs in Canada, said she spoke about global affairs and confronting antisemitism in an appearance last December, which earned her $230,000.
“She is much admired in the Jewish community for obvious reasons — and not in an especially partisan way,” Fogel added. “For us, it was a very worthwhile initiative.”
Other common audiences include banks, in locations as disparate as Chicago and Singapore, and health care, industrial and aerospace companies throughout the United States. She twice addressed subsidiaries of Barclays, the British banking giant. A bank spokesman declined to comment.
Haley didn’t accept an honorarium for all appearances. She waived the speaker’s fee when she was the guest of honor a 2019 gala hosted by UN Watch, a monitoring group that’s often critical of the United Nations, including for what it sees as anti-Israel bias within the organization.
Instead, an American branch of the watchdog group made a $50,000 donation to a charity of Haley’s choice, and she opted for her own nonprofit, called the Original Six Foundation, according to a UN Watch spokesman. Formed by Haley in 2011, the Original Six Foundation took its name from the original six members of Haley’s family: her parents, Ajit and Raj Randhawa, and their four children. As a nonprofit, the group isn’t required to disclose its donors, but has sometimes thanked individual sponsors, such as Boeing.
According to tax filings, the foundation’s goal is to improve rural education and after-school programs in South Carolina. But during her time at the United Nations, its fundraising dwindled to less than $100,000. It has since rebounded to more than $500,000 in annual revenue, just as Haley’s personal fortune has increased.
The insights Haley gained on the world stage have a high market value, said Patrick McKinney, a former real estate developer on South Carolina’s Kiawah Island who has known Haley since her 2010 gubernatorial campaign and once served on her foundation’s board.
“People want to understand things from her perspective,” he said. “And they’re willing to pay for it.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/12/22/nikki-haley-wealth/?
Witty, I appreciate your posting of articles in full, which avoids me having to log in or bypass paywalls etc, but could I please ask for a brief TLDR at the top?
I find myself somewhat short of spare time these days, and don’t get to keep up with the holiday chat or the related articles, but i do try.
If not, thanks for that article anyway. Ms Kingy is cooking sausage rolls and potat salad for tomoz, so I am required elsewhere for a while.
Kingy said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
When her family needed money, Nikki Haley found a lucrative path
The candidate’s public policy positions — hawkish and pro-business — created well-paid private opportunities when she abruptly resigned from government in 2018By Isaac Stanley-Becker
December 22, 2023 at 6:00 a.m. ESTNikki Haley was representing the United States on the world stage, as President Donald Trump’s ambassador to the United Nations, when something closer to home intervened in 2017: a property dispute back in South Carolina.
Keeping up with politics is easy with The 5-Minute Fix Newsletter, in your inbox weekdays.
Bankers were foreclosing on her parents’ lake house, and they were having trouble tracking down the family. They tried the house itself, on the shores of picturesque Lake Murray, as well as Haley’s home in a suburb of Columbia. She was initially named as a defendant in the action.In vain, they went to Haley’s workplace: the headquarters of the U.S. mission to the United Nations in New York.
“Denied access by U.N. security,” a process server scrawled on an affidavit filed in January 2018.
The foreclosure action, initiated even as Haley served in the highest echelons of government, illustrates the financial pressure she faced as her family’s primary breadwinner during her last stint in public service, which ended when she abruptly quit government later that year and entered the private sector.
In short order, she improved her financial position dramatically, making millions from private consulting, paid speeches and spots on corporate boards. She quickly extricated herself from the lake house proceedings and, in 2019, purchased a $2.4 million property on Kiawah Island — a gated community near Charleston — with arched porticos, columns, balconies and stone balustrades.
Haley’s finances are under a spotlight as she seeks a return to public life, this time as president. A financial disclosure she submitted earlier this year, as required for candidates, shows how she followed a well-worn path to wealth: trading on her government experience, both as U.N. ambassador and, before that, as governor of South Carolina.
The public profile Haley, 51, cultivated as a Republican official — melding deregulatory policies with interventionist and adamantly pro-Israel positions — created lucrative private opportunities. In an 11-month period ending January 2023, she earned about $2.5 million from paid speeches alone, delivered to banks, other businesses and advocacy groups, according to her disclosure. That’s more than she earned in combined salary during the eight years she spent as governor and then a presidential Cabinet member.
Numerous candidates in the GOP field are well-off, including Trump, who also has received generous payments for speeches since leaving office. The specific sources of Haley’s wealth highlight her ties to traditional Republican interests, namely big business and muscular foreign policy. This is political fodder for her opponents, as tides of populism and isolationism rip through the party. At a recent debate, the entrepreneur Vivek Ramaswamy criticized her for giving “foreign multinational speeches like Hillary Clinton.”
In response to questions about Haley’s finances, her campaign said in a statement: “These are old claims answered long ago and re-upped by the liberal media because Nikki is surging. Democrats fear Nikki the most because poll after poll shows she would trounce Joe Biden in a head-to-head matchup.”
A Haley spokesperson said the campaign does not have transcripts of Haley’s paid speeches because most took the form of question-and-answer sessions. Haley also has not released her recent tax returns. The spokesperson said she intends to but did not respond to questions about when.
In 2016, Haley condemned Trump for withholding such documents. “Donald Trump, show us your tax returns!” she said at the time. And she took a swipe at Hillary Clinton, the Democratic nominee for president, who had come under criticism for refusing to reveal the contents of her paid speeches. “We have two presidential candidates that refuse to disclose information: Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump,” she said.
Haley’s reversal of fortune sheds light on inconsistencies between her public posturing and personal finances. She has touted her background in accounting yet faced penalties for failing to pay taxes on time, according to state records and news reports. She has demanded transparency from political adversaries yet veiled some aspects of her own sudden wealth while not always maintaining bright lines between her public role and private life.
After she left the U.N., government investigators found that seven private flights she had accepted while in office risked the “appearance of a conflict of interest,” though they did not violate executive branch gift rules, according to documents obtained by The Washington Post. The finding has not previously been reported.
Longtime associates say Haley’s finances are bound up with her family story. After watching her immigrant parents work nonstop, and supporting them financially when they stumbled, she resolved to use her stature and relationships to make sure she was on firmer footing.
“She rubbed shoulders with many of these corporate folks, and she took that and decided to monetize it, because that’s what people in government who are popular do,” said Hal Stevenson, a South Carolina businessman and former board member of a nonprofit founded by Haley. “I think she had this sense of, ‘I’ve got this window to make some money and take care of my kids.’”
Haley the accountant
As she rose politically, Haley often emphasized her background as an accountant.She traces her financial acumen to her teenage years, when she prepared the taxes and wrote checks for her mother’s business in Bamberg, a small city southeast of Columbia where Haley’s parents, immigrants from India, settled in the late 1960s.
“I developed a huge love of numbers,” she wrote of her work at the business in a 2012 autobiography. “When the store’s books were off by two cents, I loved finding those two cents.”
She studied accounting at Clemson University and worked for a recycling company in Charlotte before returning to the family business, called Exotica International, a gift shop that grew into an international clothing emporium. Haley wrote that she handled accounting, budgeting, marketing and sales reports for the burgeoning operation, which, according to promotional materials for the business, eventually relocated to a 10,000-square-foot facility in Columbia, the state capital. Her husband, Michael Haley, worked as the menswear manager for a time.
Exotica International closed its doors in 2008. But it became a headache for Haley during her first bid for governor of South Carolina, in 2010. Records show the company was penalized on numerous occasions for failing to pay taxes.
When the tax delinquencies came to light, Haley blamed the tax system and vowed to simplify it as governor. Years after the company’s closure, however, it was still facing fines for tax problems, according to a lien filed in 2013. Haley and her husband also faced fines for paying their own taxes late, at least twice filing more than 14 months behind schedule, according to records she released during the 2010 campaign.
The pattern provided fodder to her Democratic opponent, Vincent Sheheen, whose campaign argued, “Every time she touches a balance sheet, she leaves behind a trail of tax liens and penalties.” Haley acknowledged the penalties at the time, saying, “We saw incomes ups and downs.”
The issue didn’t sway voters, who elected Haley in 2010 and reelected her four years later. In the governor’s office, she cultivated a pro-business reputation, welcoming a wide range of industry, including a Singaporean tire company and a Chinese fiberglass company, to South Carolina. In 2013, she championed $120 million in taxpayer-backed incentives to help aerospace giant Boeing expand in North Charleston.
She continued to live relatively modestly by the standards of a state’s chief executive. She and her husband, a businessman and Army National Guardsman, made just under $200,000 in 2014, including her state salary of about $106,000, according to tax returns released in line with gubernatorial custom. Their income fell the following year to about $170,000, as Haley’s husband transitioned to a part-time role with the reserve force. They had two teenage children.
In 2016, Trump chose her as his U.N. ambassador, which came as a surprise, according to Haley. In her 2019 memoir, she recalls telling the president-elect’s team, “I don’t even know what the United Nations does!”
‘Appearance of a conflict’
Haley moved to New York and soon learned that life at the U.N. demanded a tight schedule. So for trips back home to South Carolina, she sometimes leaned on affluent friends.Among those friends was Jimmy Gibbs, whose industrial machinery and commercial real estate business provided a plane for Haley and her husband four times in 2017, according to a financial disclosure form she filed as a top executive branch official.
The following year, Gibbs met with Haley’s chief of staff and other U.S. officials to discuss how his company “could help at the U.N. and in other countries,” according to a previously unreported probe into the flights by the State Department’s Office of Inspector General in 2019.
Soon after the meeting, Gibbs’s company was placed on a State Department list of entities seeking to do business with the government, the probe found. The inspector general’s report found that Haley learned of Gibbs’s planned session with her staff the day before it took place.
The events concerned ethics officials, according to the report. Upon learning of the meeting, one official wrote in an email that “these interactions call into question whether the gift was given based on a personal friendship rather than because of Ambassador Haley’s position and the opportunity for access at USUN,” referring to the U.S. mission to the United Nations.
Haley told the inspector general’s office that her staff had consulted with the State Department’s Office of the Legal Adviser before accepting the flights. Other officials clarified that approval had only been sought for the first flight, not the subsequent ones.
The inspector general’s office found that Haley had not violated the government’s gift regulations because she had shown that Gibbs and others who had bestowed flights were her personal friends. Federal rules permit gifts from family and friends but state that employees should decline if “a reasonable person with knowledge of the relevant facts would question the employee’s integrity.”
The inspector general’s office concluded that if Haley were still serving, the office would advise against accepting similar flights “to prevent the appearance of a conflict of interest,” especially given that Gibbs’s company sought to do business with the department.
Haley’s campaign responded to questions about the flights by stating that “no policy was violated.” Gibbs did not respond to a request for comment.
The flights he provided brought Haley to South Carolina for various reasons. In June 2017, she sat for an interview about the 2015 shooting at a historic Black church in Charleston. In November, she attended a Clemson football game.
Helping her parents
The same month as the football game, Haley had another reason to turn her gaze back home to South Carolina: Bank of America was beginning foreclosure proceedings on her parents’ lake house in Lexington, a suburb of Columbia.Haley and her husband were named as defendants in the suit because the property was used as collateral when the couple loaned Haley’s parents $400,000 several years earlier.
In mid-November, the bank attempted to deliver court papers at the U.S. Mission to the United Nations, according to an affidavit submitted the following January. By June 2018, Haley and her husband had relinquished interest in the house and were removed as defendants. The court ordered a sale of the property the following spring.
Meanwhile, a complex set of transactions allowed Haley and her husband to take other steps to help her parents financially. That included purchasing the strip mall that once housed the family clothing business — for $5 and “love and affection,” even though more than $1 million of debt came with the property — and then selling it off to a local real estate developer, deeds and other records show.
In response to questions about family property, a Haley spokesperson said only, “This has been litigated repeatedly.”
“There were financial troubles toward the end,” said Stevenson, the South Carolina businessman and longtime Haley associate, who got to know the family when he arranged advertising for their company in its early days. Haley, he said, “was there to support her parents.”
Haley and her husband were hardly flush with cash. A financial disclosure she filed in her final year at the U.N. in 2018 shows they had as much as $65,000 in credit card debt and two mortgages totaling about $1.5 million, along with a line of credit of between $250,000 and $500,000. Haley was earning less than $200,000 as U.N. ambassador, and her husband was making no more than $100,000 from his company, Ikor Systems, according to the filing.
Because the figures are disclosed in ranges, a more detailed analysis of Haley’s finances is not possible.
But not long after, Haley made sudden changes that allowed her to increase her earnings. In October 2018, she announced that she would leave government at the end of the year.
In her resignation letter, she addressed Trump “as a businessman” and told him, “I expect you will appreciate my sense that returning from government to the private sector is not a step down but a step up.”
Corporate boards, consulting, speaking fees
The private sector proved lucrative for Haley.She quickly joined the board of Boeing, earning more than $250,000 in fees and stock awards in 2019, according to a company filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission. At the time of Haley’s selection, Boeing’s chairman and chief executive praised her “outstanding record of achievement in government.”
A person who served on the board with her, and spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss private corporate matters, said she was a valuable asset not only because of her support for Boeing when she was governor of South Carolina but also because of her time at the United Nations. The aerospace manufacturer generates 80 percent of its commercial airplane revenue overseas.
Haley quit the board in the spring of 2020, as the coronavirus began to send shocks through the economy. In a letter to company leaders included in a regulatory filing, Haley, who seven years earlier had granted generous bond money to Boeing for its expansion in South Carolina, said she disagreed with the company’s “move to lean on the federal government for a stimulus or bailout that prioritizes our company over others and relies on taxpayers to guarantee our financial position.”
The company had issued a statement advocating government support for the aerospace industry, though it ended up not seeking a bailout.
Haley soon found other opportunities, joining the board of Great Southern Homes, a major home builder in the Southeast. And she began advising a venture fund called Prism Global Management. The fund has no website and indicated on an SEC filing that its principal place of business is a private residence. But it paid Haley more than $700,000 in 2022 and the first part of this year, according to Haley’s candidate disclosure.
A notice about Prism Global’s launch, in an email newsletter devoted to hedge fund activity, said the fund was expected to begin trading with about $1 billion, focusing on technology, media and communications in the United States and abroad. A person who has worked with Prism’s founder and chief executive, investor Richard Kang, said the fund’s goal is to finance companies that compete with China, lessening its influence. A spokesman for Prism Global confirmed these details.
On her disclosure, Haley described herself as a “senior advisor” to the fund. When an attendee at a recent town hall in Iowa asked her about that work, she touted her experience in foreign affairs. “And so what they do is they ask me anything that’s going on, for example, they’ll ask me what’s going on in the Middle East,” she said. “Or they’ll ask me what I think about China. The big thing with Prism Global is they want to make sure that companies stop investing in China.”
Haley has traveled widely in recent months sharing her thoughts with global audiences. She delivered a dozen speeches between March 2022 and January 2023 for which she was generally paid $185,000 per engagement, according to her candidate disclosure.
But her fees sometimes went higher, including the $346,000 she earned from the Mount Scopus College Foundation, which funds a Jewish day school in Melbourne, Australia. The foundation’s CEO did not respond to a request for comment, but its website states that, during Haley’s visit last year, she “answered students’ questions on topics ranging from her work at the U.N., leadership advice to young women, and the war in Ukraine, to her time as a member of President Trump’s cabinet.”
Haley’s staunch defense of Israel at the United Nations has made her a popular guest for pro-Israel groups. Shimon Fogel, chief executive of the Centre for Israel and Jewish Affairs in Canada, said she spoke about global affairs and confronting antisemitism in an appearance last December, which earned her $230,000.
“She is much admired in the Jewish community for obvious reasons — and not in an especially partisan way,” Fogel added. “For us, it was a very worthwhile initiative.”
Other common audiences include banks, in locations as disparate as Chicago and Singapore, and health care, industrial and aerospace companies throughout the United States. She twice addressed subsidiaries of Barclays, the British banking giant. A bank spokesman declined to comment.
Haley didn’t accept an honorarium for all appearances. She waived the speaker’s fee when she was the guest of honor a 2019 gala hosted by UN Watch, a monitoring group that’s often critical of the United Nations, including for what it sees as anti-Israel bias within the organization.
Instead, an American branch of the watchdog group made a $50,000 donation to a charity of Haley’s choice, and she opted for her own nonprofit, called the Original Six Foundation, according to a UN Watch spokesman. Formed by Haley in 2011, the Original Six Foundation took its name from the original six members of Haley’s family: her parents, Ajit and Raj Randhawa, and their four children. As a nonprofit, the group isn’t required to disclose its donors, but has sometimes thanked individual sponsors, such as Boeing.
According to tax filings, the foundation’s goal is to improve rural education and after-school programs in South Carolina. But during her time at the United Nations, its fundraising dwindled to less than $100,000. It has since rebounded to more than $500,000 in annual revenue, just as Haley’s personal fortune has increased.
The insights Haley gained on the world stage have a high market value, said Patrick McKinney, a former real estate developer on South Carolina’s Kiawah Island who has known Haley since her 2010 gubernatorial campaign and once served on her foundation’s board.
“People want to understand things from her perspective,” he said. “And they’re willing to pay for it.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/12/22/nikki-haley-wealth/?
Witty, I appreciate your posting of articles in full, which avoids me having to log in or bypass paywalls etc, but could I please ask for a brief TLDR at the top?
I find myself somewhat short of spare time these days, and don’t get to keep up with the holiday chat or the related articles, but i do try.
If not, thanks for that article anyway. Ms Kingy is cooking sausage rolls and potat salad for tomoz, so I am required elsewhere for a while.
Seconded. (Except I don’t have a Mrs Kingy doing things for me….)
Kingy said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
When her family needed money, Nikki Haley found a lucrative path
The candidate’s public policy positions — hawkish and pro-business — created well-paid private opportunities when she abruptly resigned from government in 2018By Isaac Stanley-Becker
December 22, 2023 at 6:00 a.m. ESTNikki Haley was representing the United States on the world stage, as President Donald Trump’s ambassador to the United Nations, when something closer to home intervened in 2017: a property dispute back in South Carolina.
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Bankers were foreclosing on her parents’ lake house, and they were having trouble tracking down the family. They tried the house itself, on the shores of picturesque Lake Murray, as well as Haley’s home in a suburb of Columbia. She was initially named as a defendant in the action.In vain, they went to Haley’s workplace: the headquarters of the U.S. mission to the United Nations in New York.
“Denied access by U.N. security,” a process server scrawled on an affidavit filed in January 2018.
The foreclosure action, initiated even as Haley served in the highest echelons of government, illustrates the financial pressure she faced as her family’s primary breadwinner during her last stint in public service, which ended when she abruptly quit government later that year and entered the private sector.
In short order, she improved her financial position dramatically, making millions from private consulting, paid speeches and spots on corporate boards. She quickly extricated herself from the lake house proceedings and, in 2019, purchased a $2.4 million property on Kiawah Island — a gated community near Charleston — with arched porticos, columns, balconies and stone balustrades.
Haley’s finances are under a spotlight as she seeks a return to public life, this time as president. A financial disclosure she submitted earlier this year, as required for candidates, shows how she followed a well-worn path to wealth: trading on her government experience, both as U.N. ambassador and, before that, as governor of South Carolina.
The public profile Haley, 51, cultivated as a Republican official — melding deregulatory policies with interventionist and adamantly pro-Israel positions — created lucrative private opportunities. In an 11-month period ending January 2023, she earned about $2.5 million from paid speeches alone, delivered to banks, other businesses and advocacy groups, according to her disclosure. That’s more than she earned in combined salary during the eight years she spent as governor and then a presidential Cabinet member.
Numerous candidates in the GOP field are well-off, including Trump, who also has received generous payments for speeches since leaving office. The specific sources of Haley’s wealth highlight her ties to traditional Republican interests, namely big business and muscular foreign policy. This is political fodder for her opponents, as tides of populism and isolationism rip through the party. At a recent debate, the entrepreneur Vivek Ramaswamy criticized her for giving “foreign multinational speeches like Hillary Clinton.”
In response to questions about Haley’s finances, her campaign said in a statement: “These are old claims answered long ago and re-upped by the liberal media because Nikki is surging. Democrats fear Nikki the most because poll after poll shows she would trounce Joe Biden in a head-to-head matchup.”
A Haley spokesperson said the campaign does not have transcripts of Haley’s paid speeches because most took the form of question-and-answer sessions. Haley also has not released her recent tax returns. The spokesperson said she intends to but did not respond to questions about when.
In 2016, Haley condemned Trump for withholding such documents. “Donald Trump, show us your tax returns!” she said at the time. And she took a swipe at Hillary Clinton, the Democratic nominee for president, who had come under criticism for refusing to reveal the contents of her paid speeches. “We have two presidential candidates that refuse to disclose information: Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump,” she said.
Haley’s reversal of fortune sheds light on inconsistencies between her public posturing and personal finances. She has touted her background in accounting yet faced penalties for failing to pay taxes on time, according to state records and news reports. She has demanded transparency from political adversaries yet veiled some aspects of her own sudden wealth while not always maintaining bright lines between her public role and private life.
After she left the U.N., government investigators found that seven private flights she had accepted while in office risked the “appearance of a conflict of interest,” though they did not violate executive branch gift rules, according to documents obtained by The Washington Post. The finding has not previously been reported.
Longtime associates say Haley’s finances are bound up with her family story. After watching her immigrant parents work nonstop, and supporting them financially when they stumbled, she resolved to use her stature and relationships to make sure she was on firmer footing.
“She rubbed shoulders with many of these corporate folks, and she took that and decided to monetize it, because that’s what people in government who are popular do,” said Hal Stevenson, a South Carolina businessman and former board member of a nonprofit founded by Haley. “I think she had this sense of, ‘I’ve got this window to make some money and take care of my kids.’”
Haley the accountant
As she rose politically, Haley often emphasized her background as an accountant.She traces her financial acumen to her teenage years, when she prepared the taxes and wrote checks for her mother’s business in Bamberg, a small city southeast of Columbia where Haley’s parents, immigrants from India, settled in the late 1960s.
“I developed a huge love of numbers,” she wrote of her work at the business in a 2012 autobiography. “When the store’s books were off by two cents, I loved finding those two cents.”
She studied accounting at Clemson University and worked for a recycling company in Charlotte before returning to the family business, called Exotica International, a gift shop that grew into an international clothing emporium. Haley wrote that she handled accounting, budgeting, marketing and sales reports for the burgeoning operation, which, according to promotional materials for the business, eventually relocated to a 10,000-square-foot facility in Columbia, the state capital. Her husband, Michael Haley, worked as the menswear manager for a time.
Exotica International closed its doors in 2008. But it became a headache for Haley during her first bid for governor of South Carolina, in 2010. Records show the company was penalized on numerous occasions for failing to pay taxes.
When the tax delinquencies came to light, Haley blamed the tax system and vowed to simplify it as governor. Years after the company’s closure, however, it was still facing fines for tax problems, according to a lien filed in 2013. Haley and her husband also faced fines for paying their own taxes late, at least twice filing more than 14 months behind schedule, according to records she released during the 2010 campaign.
The pattern provided fodder to her Democratic opponent, Vincent Sheheen, whose campaign argued, “Every time she touches a balance sheet, she leaves behind a trail of tax liens and penalties.” Haley acknowledged the penalties at the time, saying, “We saw incomes ups and downs.”
The issue didn’t sway voters, who elected Haley in 2010 and reelected her four years later. In the governor’s office, she cultivated a pro-business reputation, welcoming a wide range of industry, including a Singaporean tire company and a Chinese fiberglass company, to South Carolina. In 2013, she championed $120 million in taxpayer-backed incentives to help aerospace giant Boeing expand in North Charleston.
She continued to live relatively modestly by the standards of a state’s chief executive. She and her husband, a businessman and Army National Guardsman, made just under $200,000 in 2014, including her state salary of about $106,000, according to tax returns released in line with gubernatorial custom. Their income fell the following year to about $170,000, as Haley’s husband transitioned to a part-time role with the reserve force. They had two teenage children.
In 2016, Trump chose her as his U.N. ambassador, which came as a surprise, according to Haley. In her 2019 memoir, she recalls telling the president-elect’s team, “I don’t even know what the United Nations does!”
‘Appearance of a conflict’
Haley moved to New York and soon learned that life at the U.N. demanded a tight schedule. So for trips back home to South Carolina, she sometimes leaned on affluent friends.Among those friends was Jimmy Gibbs, whose industrial machinery and commercial real estate business provided a plane for Haley and her husband four times in 2017, according to a financial disclosure form she filed as a top executive branch official.
The following year, Gibbs met with Haley’s chief of staff and other U.S. officials to discuss how his company “could help at the U.N. and in other countries,” according to a previously unreported probe into the flights by the State Department’s Office of Inspector General in 2019.
Soon after the meeting, Gibbs’s company was placed on a State Department list of entities seeking to do business with the government, the probe found. The inspector general’s report found that Haley learned of Gibbs’s planned session with her staff the day before it took place.
The events concerned ethics officials, according to the report. Upon learning of the meeting, one official wrote in an email that “these interactions call into question whether the gift was given based on a personal friendship rather than because of Ambassador Haley’s position and the opportunity for access at USUN,” referring to the U.S. mission to the United Nations.
Haley told the inspector general’s office that her staff had consulted with the State Department’s Office of the Legal Adviser before accepting the flights. Other officials clarified that approval had only been sought for the first flight, not the subsequent ones.
The inspector general’s office found that Haley had not violated the government’s gift regulations because she had shown that Gibbs and others who had bestowed flights were her personal friends. Federal rules permit gifts from family and friends but state that employees should decline if “a reasonable person with knowledge of the relevant facts would question the employee’s integrity.”
The inspector general’s office concluded that if Haley were still serving, the office would advise against accepting similar flights “to prevent the appearance of a conflict of interest,” especially given that Gibbs’s company sought to do business with the department.
Haley’s campaign responded to questions about the flights by stating that “no policy was violated.” Gibbs did not respond to a request for comment.
The flights he provided brought Haley to South Carolina for various reasons. In June 2017, she sat for an interview about the 2015 shooting at a historic Black church in Charleston. In November, she attended a Clemson football game.
Helping her parents
The same month as the football game, Haley had another reason to turn her gaze back home to South Carolina: Bank of America was beginning foreclosure proceedings on her parents’ lake house in Lexington, a suburb of Columbia.Haley and her husband were named as defendants in the suit because the property was used as collateral when the couple loaned Haley’s parents $400,000 several years earlier.
In mid-November, the bank attempted to deliver court papers at the U.S. Mission to the United Nations, according to an affidavit submitted the following January. By June 2018, Haley and her husband had relinquished interest in the house and were removed as defendants. The court ordered a sale of the property the following spring.
Meanwhile, a complex set of transactions allowed Haley and her husband to take other steps to help her parents financially. That included purchasing the strip mall that once housed the family clothing business — for $5 and “love and affection,” even though more than $1 million of debt came with the property — and then selling it off to a local real estate developer, deeds and other records show.
In response to questions about family property, a Haley spokesperson said only, “This has been litigated repeatedly.”
“There were financial troubles toward the end,” said Stevenson, the South Carolina businessman and longtime Haley associate, who got to know the family when he arranged advertising for their company in its early days. Haley, he said, “was there to support her parents.”
Haley and her husband were hardly flush with cash. A financial disclosure she filed in her final year at the U.N. in 2018 shows they had as much as $65,000 in credit card debt and two mortgages totaling about $1.5 million, along with a line of credit of between $250,000 and $500,000. Haley was earning less than $200,000 as U.N. ambassador, and her husband was making no more than $100,000 from his company, Ikor Systems, according to the filing.
Because the figures are disclosed in ranges, a more detailed analysis of Haley’s finances is not possible.
But not long after, Haley made sudden changes that allowed her to increase her earnings. In October 2018, she announced that she would leave government at the end of the year.
In her resignation letter, she addressed Trump “as a businessman” and told him, “I expect you will appreciate my sense that returning from government to the private sector is not a step down but a step up.”
Corporate boards, consulting, speaking fees
The private sector proved lucrative for Haley.She quickly joined the board of Boeing, earning more than $250,000 in fees and stock awards in 2019, according to a company filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission. At the time of Haley’s selection, Boeing’s chairman and chief executive praised her “outstanding record of achievement in government.”
A person who served on the board with her, and spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss private corporate matters, said she was a valuable asset not only because of her support for Boeing when she was governor of South Carolina but also because of her time at the United Nations. The aerospace manufacturer generates 80 percent of its commercial airplane revenue overseas.
Haley quit the board in the spring of 2020, as the coronavirus began to send shocks through the economy. In a letter to company leaders included in a regulatory filing, Haley, who seven years earlier had granted generous bond money to Boeing for its expansion in South Carolina, said she disagreed with the company’s “move to lean on the federal government for a stimulus or bailout that prioritizes our company over others and relies on taxpayers to guarantee our financial position.”
The company had issued a statement advocating government support for the aerospace industry, though it ended up not seeking a bailout.
Haley soon found other opportunities, joining the board of Great Southern Homes, a major home builder in the Southeast. And she began advising a venture fund called Prism Global Management. The fund has no website and indicated on an SEC filing that its principal place of business is a private residence. But it paid Haley more than $700,000 in 2022 and the first part of this year, according to Haley’s candidate disclosure.
A notice about Prism Global’s launch, in an email newsletter devoted to hedge fund activity, said the fund was expected to begin trading with about $1 billion, focusing on technology, media and communications in the United States and abroad. A person who has worked with Prism’s founder and chief executive, investor Richard Kang, said the fund’s goal is to finance companies that compete with China, lessening its influence. A spokesman for Prism Global confirmed these details.
On her disclosure, Haley described herself as a “senior advisor” to the fund. When an attendee at a recent town hall in Iowa asked her about that work, she touted her experience in foreign affairs. “And so what they do is they ask me anything that’s going on, for example, they’ll ask me what’s going on in the Middle East,” she said. “Or they’ll ask me what I think about China. The big thing with Prism Global is they want to make sure that companies stop investing in China.”
Haley has traveled widely in recent months sharing her thoughts with global audiences. She delivered a dozen speeches between March 2022 and January 2023 for which she was generally paid $185,000 per engagement, according to her candidate disclosure.
But her fees sometimes went higher, including the $346,000 she earned from the Mount Scopus College Foundation, which funds a Jewish day school in Melbourne, Australia. The foundation’s CEO did not respond to a request for comment, but its website states that, during Haley’s visit last year, she “answered students’ questions on topics ranging from her work at the U.N., leadership advice to young women, and the war in Ukraine, to her time as a member of President Trump’s cabinet.”
Haley’s staunch defense of Israel at the United Nations has made her a popular guest for pro-Israel groups. Shimon Fogel, chief executive of the Centre for Israel and Jewish Affairs in Canada, said she spoke about global affairs and confronting antisemitism in an appearance last December, which earned her $230,000.
“She is much admired in the Jewish community for obvious reasons — and not in an especially partisan way,” Fogel added. “For us, it was a very worthwhile initiative.”
Other common audiences include banks, in locations as disparate as Chicago and Singapore, and health care, industrial and aerospace companies throughout the United States. She twice addressed subsidiaries of Barclays, the British banking giant. A bank spokesman declined to comment.
Haley didn’t accept an honorarium for all appearances. She waived the speaker’s fee when she was the guest of honor a 2019 gala hosted by UN Watch, a monitoring group that’s often critical of the United Nations, including for what it sees as anti-Israel bias within the organization.
Instead, an American branch of the watchdog group made a $50,000 donation to a charity of Haley’s choice, and she opted for her own nonprofit, called the Original Six Foundation, according to a UN Watch spokesman. Formed by Haley in 2011, the Original Six Foundation took its name from the original six members of Haley’s family: her parents, Ajit and Raj Randhawa, and their four children. As a nonprofit, the group isn’t required to disclose its donors, but has sometimes thanked individual sponsors, such as Boeing.
According to tax filings, the foundation’s goal is to improve rural education and after-school programs in South Carolina. But during her time at the United Nations, its fundraising dwindled to less than $100,000. It has since rebounded to more than $500,000 in annual revenue, just as Haley’s personal fortune has increased.
The insights Haley gained on the world stage have a high market value, said Patrick McKinney, a former real estate developer on South Carolina’s Kiawah Island who has known Haley since her 2010 gubernatorial campaign and once served on her foundation’s board.
“People want to understand things from her perspective,” he said. “And they’re willing to pay for it.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/12/22/nikki-haley-wealth/?
Witty, I appreciate your posting of articles in full, which avoids me having to log in or bypass paywalls etc, but could I please ask for a brief TLDR at the top?
I find myself somewhat short of spare time these days, and don’t get to keep up with the holiday chat or the related articles, but i do try.
If not, thanks for that article anyway. Ms Kingy is cooking sausage rolls and potat salad for tomoz, so I am required elsewhere for a while.
Will do.
My Sunday morning listening: https://www.commonwealthclub.org/events/archive/video/jonathan-karl-donald-trump-and-end-gop
Nikki Haley is a pro war hog
The entire US establishment sees war as the go to option whenever something doesn’t go their way ( that and tearing up treaties when they don’t have it all their own way). Vivak exposed her recently – she couldn’t name three regions in ukraine yet wanted billions more in weapons sent there.
Loser Trump threatens more judges who call him a traiter.
https://youtu.be/Aq2reSYmwi8?si=vtXD2tuc9UgBTvKE
Tau.Neutrino said:
Loser Trump threatens more judges who call him a traiter.
https://youtu.be/Aq2reSYmwi8?si=vtXD2tuc9UgBTvKE
That video will sure help me to finally fall asleep!
Trump Rioter QAnon Shaman interviewed by leftist goes bad quick.
Horn Head running for congress.
They need less nutters running for Congress.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Trump Rioter QAnon Shaman interviewed by leftist goes bad quick.Horn Head running for congress.
They need less nutters running for Congress.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Trump Rioter QAnon Shaman interviewed by leftist goes bad quick.Horn Head running for congress.
They need less nutters running for Congress.
He should be in jail for 20+ years.
Kingy said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Trump Rioter QAnon Shaman interviewed by leftist goes bad quick.Horn Head running for congress.
They need less nutters running for Congress.
He should be in jail for 20+ years.
Agree, they have a crazy system.
BREAKING: Ohio SUPREME COURT ALSO DISQUALIFIES TRUMP
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kKPO7gQ_79I
Bogsnorkler said:
The man is a dickhead but he knows there’s heaps of dickheads out there who believe him and every time it happens, more join the fold.
Bogsnorkler said:
Merry rotinhellmas to Mr Trump too.
sarahs mum said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Merry rotinhellmas to Mr Trump too.
We can only hope. I’ve thought it strange that nobody ever took him up on the offer of being shot on main street.
EV Lunacy: no reliable charging network, no capacity to charge MILLIONS of cars EVERY DAY. If ONE cell goes wrong the battery pack can destroy the vehicle, those in Melbourn might cast their minds back a few weeks when a bridge was shut down as an EV concrete truck burnt down spewing toxic gas across Melbourne. No real range , if it gets hot or cold the range is affected. if the car has a bump the car might be a write off. Most of the value is in the battery pack – will the battery pack last 10 years and still have reasonable capacity ( assuming in 10 years there’s no bump?).
wookiemeister said:
EV Lunacy: no reliable charging network, no capacity to charge MILLIONS of cars EVERY DAY. If ONE cell goes wrong the battery pack can destroy the vehicle, those in Melbourn might cast their minds back a few weeks when a bridge was shut down as an EV concrete truck burnt down spewing toxic gas across Melbourne. No real range , if it gets hot or cold the range is affected. if the car has a bump the car might be a write off. Most of the value is in the battery pack – will the battery pack last 10 years and still have reasonable capacity ( assuming in 10 years there’s no bump?).
I assume that you are talking about the Chinese ones. A lot more of them are burning over there.
sarahs mum said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Merry rotinhellmas to Mr Trump too.
The Biden admin left 80 billion (?) Of military equipment in Afghanistan, the faithful dogs serving with the units over there were dumped on the streets ( after ww1 the Australians SHOT their faithful horses that won their war for them in the middle east , too costly to bring back and the natives of the area are extremely CRUEL to animals. Indeed I saw a couple of sheep being viciously kicked and punched to stop them from fainting in the hot sun ( before being killed) from the walls from the citadel in allepo – bastards, I shouted impotently from the battlements.
A few years that entire area was levelled, shelled and turned into a hellscape in a vicious civil war ( do you remember all the demonstrations about that civil war ? No , neither do I.)Some people get angry when their government does stupid things
roughbarked said:
wookiemeister said:
EV Lunacy: no reliable charging network, no capacity to charge MILLIONS of cars EVERY DAY. If ONE cell goes wrong the battery pack can destroy the vehicle, those in Melbourn might cast their minds back a few weeks when a bridge was shut down as an EV concrete truck burnt down spewing toxic gas across Melbourne. No real range , if it gets hot or cold the range is affected. if the car has a bump the car might be a write off. Most of the value is in the battery pack – will the battery pack last 10 years and still have reasonable capacity ( assuming in 10 years there’s no bump?).
I assume that you are talking about the Chinese ones. A lot more of them are burning over there.
If you have a bump the EV has a good chance of being a write off.
If you have a battery swap program that doesn’t work either. If the swappable battery gets bumped the damage you’ve done will not be immediately noticeable – that’s why the concept has been dumped, musk quietly dumped it.
The technology doesn’t stack up for real world situations.
The yanks would be better off getting emissions down in new ICE cars
Tau.Neutrino said:
BREAKING: Ohio SUPREME COURT ALSO DISQUALIFIES TRUMP
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kKPO7gQ_79I
This is 3 days old and it hasn’t been backed up by news services
dv said:
Tau.Neutrino said:BREAKING: Ohio SUPREME COURT ALSO DISQUALIFIES TRUMP
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kKPO7gQ_79I
This is 3 days old and it hasn’t been backed up by news services
I noticed that too.
dv said:
Tau.Neutrino said:BREAKING: Ohio SUPREME COURT ALSO DISQUALIFIES TRUMP
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kKPO7gQ_79I
This is 3 days old and it hasn’t been backed up by news services
Yes but this bloke seemed to think this sort of thing is a follow on surety after the Colorado disqualification.
A masterful decision
I just awoke to the News that
The U.S.of A. has been drawn
into “The ISRAELI CONFLICT”
Country Joe Mcdonald –
Feel Like i’m Fixing to Die Rag
– Woodstock ’69MERRY X-MAS
Ogmog said:
I just awoke to the News that
The U.S.of A. has been drawn
into “The ISRAELI CONFLICT”Country Joe Mcdonald –
Feel Like i’m Fixing to Die Rag
– Woodstock ’69MERRY X-MAS
“Now our war – is your war”
Ogmog said:
I just awoke to the News that
The U.S.of A. has been drawn
into “The ISRAELI CONFLICT”Country Joe Mcdonald –
Feel Like i’m Fixing to Die Rag
– Woodstock ’69MERRY X-MAS
Was only a matter of time.
wookiemeister said:
Ogmog said:
I just awoke to the News that
The U.S.of A. has been drawn
into “The ISRAELI CONFLICT”Country Joe Mcdonald –
Feel Like i’m Fixing to Die Rag
– Woodstock ’69MERRY X-MAS
The dancing israelis, urban Moving Systems, during interrogation one of them was asked why he was so happy when he saw the twin towers burning and he answered:“Now our war – is your war”
Were those the Israelis caught celebrating as the Twin Towers fell
from the bluff directly across the Hudson River in New Jersey?
Ogmog said:
wookiemeister said:
Ogmog said:
I just awoke to the News that
The U.S.of A. has been drawn
into “The ISRAELI CONFLICT”Country Joe Mcdonald –
Feel Like i’m Fixing to Die Rag
– Woodstock ’69MERRY X-MAS
The dancing israelis, urban Moving Systems, during interrogation one of them was asked why he was so happy when he saw the twin towers burning and he answered:“Now our war – is your war”
Were those the Israelis caught celebrating as the Twin Towers fell
from the bluff directly across the Hudson River in New Jersey?
I think Prince Philip was somehow involved.
Ogmog said:
I just awoke to the News that
The U.S.of A. has been drawn
into “The ISRAELI CONFLICT”Country Joe Mcdonald –
Feel Like i’m Fixing to Die Rag
– Woodstock ’69MERRY X-MAS
What do U.S. retaliatory strikes in Iraq
mean for rest of Middle East?
kii said:
Will Trump’s Violent Movement Conquer America?
That was a very good read, kii. Thanks for sharing it with us
If President Joe decides to step aside due to Age & strain of Office
I’d consider backing The INTELLIGENT Young Gay Dude;
Pete Buttigieg:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Buttigieg
https://thegrayzone.com/2021/09/11/dancing-israelis-9-11-plotters-spies-scam-artists/
Long read.
Bogsnorkler said:
https://thegrayzone.com/2021/09/11/dancing-israelis-9-11-plotters-spies-scam-artists/Long read.
A Long Read
but oh so worth it
I’ve c/p the bit relevant to 911 discussion
…however the rest is indicative of
WHY FATHER ABRAHAM HAD TO GET THE FLOCK OUTTA’ MESOPOTAMIA
as well as why they were driven out of the Temple generations later fer’ CrySake
=========================================================
Suter declined, through his lawyer, to be interviewed by the Forward in 2002.
A decade later, in 2012, Suter apparently made an half-hearted attempt to clear his name, opening up a Wikipedia user account and using its profile page as a platform to insist upon his innocence of any wrongdoing.
“For years now, there have been individuals whom have been making up lies, bogus stories, spreading rumors about me and my family,” Suter wrote. “In the coming days and weeks, I will begin addressing these malicious acts, which their only objective is throw mud on me, my family, friends and spread hate and antisemitism.”
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From statements made by their former employees to the FBI and The Grayzone, it would seem that Dominik and Ornit Suter fled the US because they feared that the FBI’s investigation of their company would lead to their own arrests. Indeed, they seemed acutely aware that they were wanted not for any involvement in the 9/11 attacks, or for espionage against US citizens, but for their own shady business practices.
……READ ON, McDUFF……..
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-12-27/denver-police-probe-threats-in-trump-ballot-case/103266992
In view of something put up on the forum earlier about threats from the far right, this is interesting.
Maine’s Democratic secretary of state has removed former president Donald Trump from the state’s presidential primary ballot under the Constitution’s insurrection clause, becoming the first election official to take action unilaterally in a decision that has potential Electoral College consequences.
OCDC said:
Maine’s Democratic secretary of state has removed former president Donald Trump from the state’s presidential primary ballot under the Constitution’s insurrection clause, becoming the first election official to take action unilaterally in a decision that has potential Electoral College consequences.
May there be many more.
roughbarked said:
OCDC said:
Maine’s Democratic secretary of state has removed former president Donald Trump from the state’s presidential primary ballot under the Constitution’s insurrection clause, becoming the first election official to take action unilaterally in a decision that has potential Electoral College consequences.
May there be many more.
Should it not be the Electoral Community College
roughbarked said:
OCDC said:
Maine’s Democratic secretary of state has removed former president Donald Trump from the state’s presidential primary ballot under the Constitution’s insurrection clause, becoming the first election official to take action unilaterally in a decision that has potential Electoral College consequences.
May there be many more.
There probably won’t be, and those that do are likely to be Dem states anyways.
Then bear in mind that the SC is heavily stacked, with Trump appointees. So don’t expect them to be fair and balanced. By a fair and reasonable reading of the 14th Amendment he should be out on his ear, but don’t expect fair and reasonable to happen.
Well okay then ….
Spiny Norman said:
Well okay then ….
Got to be a pisstake, surely?
Even Americans aren’t that dumb.
Spiny Norman said:
Well okay then ….
If these fools get to Make America Great Again, we’ll all be rooned.
party_pants said:
Spiny Norman said:
Well okay then ….
Got to be a pisstake, surely?
Even Americans aren’t that dumb.
Wanna bet?
party_pants said:
Spiny Norman said:
Well okay then ….
Got to be a pisstake, surely?
Even Americans aren’t that dumb.
it does say parody in the bottom right hand.
Spiny Norman said:
Well okay then ….
‘Ken what???
party_pants said:
Spiny Norman said:
Well okay then ….
Got to be a pisstake, surely?
Even Americans aren’t that dumb.
Yeah it’s like if dolphins are so smart why do they live in igloos
sarahs mum said:
party_pants said:
Spiny Norman said:
Well okay then ….
Got to be a pisstake, surely?
Even Americans aren’t that dumb.
it does say parody in the bottom right hand.
It does too.
sarahs mum said:
party_pants said:
Spiny Norman said:
Well okay then ….
Got to be a pisstake, surely?
Even Americans aren’t that dumb.
it does say parody in the bottom right hand.
Thanks for pointing that out.
:)
I was done like a dinner.
sarahs mum said:
party_pants said:
Spiny Norman said:
Well okay then ….
Got to be a pisstake, surely?
Even Americans aren’t that dumb.
it does say parody in the bottom right hand.
Dóh!!!
Sorry I missed that. It’s difficult to tell what’s satire/comedy or not these days.
sarahs mum said:
party_pants said:
Spiny Norman said:
Well okay then ….
Got to be a pisstake, surely?
Even Americans aren’t that dumb.
it does say parody in the bottom right hand.
Ah. I didn’t see that. It is a pisstake then.
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:
party_pants said:Got to be a pisstake, surely?
Even Americans aren’t that dumb.
it does say parody in the bottom right hand.
Thanks for pointing that out.
:)
I was done like a dinner.
:) have to admit, me too.
sarahs mum said:
party_pants said:
Spiny Norman said:
Well okay then ….
Got to be a pisstake, surely?
Even Americans aren’t that dumb.
it does say parody in the bottom right hand.
Caught out by not reading the fine print…
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:
party_pants said:Got to be a pisstake, surely?
Even Americans aren’t that dumb.
it does say parody in the bottom right hand.
Caught out by not reading the fine print…
did not the @laurenboobert not arouse your suspicions?
Bogsnorkler said:
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:it does say parody in the bottom right hand.
Caught out by not reading the fine print…
did not the @laurenboobert not arouse your suspicions?
I’m not really terribly interested in the person. So any irregularities are most likely to be missed, probably because the text was what I’ve come to expect from the real person.
If you want to get rid of Trump your going about it the wrong way.
roughbarked said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Michael V said:Caught out by not reading the fine print…
did not the @laurenboobert not arouse your suspicions?
I’m not really terribly interested in the person. So any irregularities are most likely to be missed, probably because the text was what I’ve come to expect from the real person.
I’m not interested either but I think it still is worthwhile to be observant so as not to be sucked into this kind of thing. The internet is full of people who don’t read or look and then start some conspiracy on that misapprehension.
Bogsnorkler said:
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:it does say parody in the bottom right hand.
Caught out by not reading the fine print…
did not the @laurenboobert not arouse your suspicions?
I didn’t see that either. To be fair, it’s very hard to see that colour against the dark background.
Peak Warming Man said:
If you want to get rid of Trump your going about it the wrong way.
well, they took our guns so we can’t do it the right way.
Bogsnorkler said:
roughbarked said:
Bogsnorkler said:did not the @laurenboobert not arouse your suspicions?
I’m not really terribly interested in the person. So any irregularities are most likely to be missed, probably because the text was what I’ve come to expect from the real person.
I’m not interested either but I think it still is worthwhile to be observant so as not to be sucked into this kind of thing. The internet is full of people who don’t read or look and then start some conspiracy on that misapprehension.
True.
Michael V said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Michael V said:Caught out by not reading the fine print…
did not the @laurenboobert not arouse your suspicions?
I didn’t see that either. To be fair, it’s very hard to see that colour against the dark background.
It’s meant to be a trick of the light.
Bogsnorkler said:
Peak Warming Man said:
If you want to get rid of Trump your going about it the wrong way.
well, they took our guns so we can’t do it the right way.
This be true.
Bogsnorkler said:
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:it does say parody in the bottom right hand.
Caught out by not reading the fine print…
did not the @laurenboobert not arouse your suspicions?
We only skim-read those bits and go straight to the main text.
Look at what Nikki Haley said about the civil war recently. Or didn’t say.
kii said:
Look at what Nikki Haley said about the civil war recently. Or didn’t say.
I saw a british comedian talking about the hits a simple joke can get, these are considered as currency despite whether the thumbs are up or down.
roughbarked said:
kii said:
Look at what Nikki Haley said about the civil war recently. Or didn’t say.
I saw a british comedian talking about the hits a simple joke can get, these are considered as currency despite whether the thumbs are up or down.
What?
kii said:
roughbarked said:
kii said:
Look at what Nikki Haley said about the civil war recently. Or didn’t say.
I saw a british comedian talking about the hits a simple joke can get, these are considered as currency despite whether the thumbs are up or down.
What?
He was doing a joke.
roughbarked said:
kii said:
roughbarked said:I saw a british comedian talking about the hits a simple joke can get, these are considered as currency despite whether the thumbs are up or down.
What?
He was doing a joke.
WTF does that have to do with Nikki Haley?
kii said:
roughbarked said:
kii said:What?
He was doing a joke.
WTF does that have to do with Nikki Haley?
Degrees of seperation ?
kii said:
roughbarked said:
kii said:What?
He was doing a joke.
WTF does that have to do with Nikki Haley?
Has to do with all of these people who are using social media to gather followers.
The Lincoln Project, an anti-Trump organization, has released a commercial mocking President Trump’s stench, using the hashtag #TrumpSmells. The ad, which lasts only forty seconds, features a person’s audible sniffing and coughing in response to foul smells, such as stinking trash, hideous animal excrement, dirty nappies, and rotting cheese. The campaign aims to make a lasting impression on the nation’s collective nose. Trump, who is running unopposed in the Republican presidential primaries for 2024, unveiled a new TV commercial highlighting Trump’s 2018 Christmas Day trip to Iraq. The commercial comes as Trump tries to maintain his lead in the presidential race, with a decisive lead in Iowa and a narrow margin in New Hampshire and South Carolina. Trump’s favorite social media site, Truth Social, has been rife with messages attacking President Biden, Special Counsel Jack Smith, and other political opponents.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJk3_AnZlHg
Trump Freaks Out At Claims His Body Odor Stinks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvkwtM-D15E
sarahs mum said:
Trump Freaks Out At Claims His Body Odor Stinks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvkwtM-D15E
Good.
roughbarked said:
sarahs mum said:
Trump Freaks Out At Claims His Body Odor Stinks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvkwtM-D15E
Good.
Poor Melina.
sarahs mum said:
Trump Freaks Out At Claims His Body Odor Stinks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvkwtM-D15E
Good.
Tau.Neutrino said:
roughbarked said:
sarahs mum said:
Trump Freaks Out At Claims His Body Odor Stinks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvkwtM-D15E
Good.
Poor Melina.
Hands Melina a N95 mask.
Brian Tyler Cohen
Prosecutor on Trump running for president if sent to PRISON
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qw-JtTJOngU
Heather Cox Richardson
8 h ·
January 2, 2024 (Tuesday)
The new year has hit with news flying in from a number of quarters.
At home, minimum wage increased in nearly half of U.S. states; it has been 14 years since the last increase in the federal minimum wage, the longest stretch since 1938 according to the AFL-CIO. NPR correspondent David Gura quoted Goldman Sachs’s chief equity strategist to note, ”The S&P 500 index returned 26% including dividends in 2023, more than 2x the average annual return of 12% since 1986.”
Representative Bill Johnson (R-OH) today submitted his resignation, effective January 21, to become the president of Youngstown State University. This shaves the Republican majority in the House of Representatives even thinner. With the recent expulsion of George Santos (R-NY) and resignation of Kevin McCarthy (R-CA), the Republicans will control just 219 seats, permitting them a margin of only two seats to pass legislation when the House returns on January 9.
The Republican House has been one of the least effective in history, and it has its work cut out for it in the new year. The first phase of the continuing resolution Congress passed in November to fund the government expires on January 19, ending funding for transportation, housing, energy, agriculture, and veterans’ affairs. The second phase expires on February 2. Much of the 2018 Farm Bill that covers food and farm aid expired in 2023. As of yesterday, January 1, the items usually covered in farm bills fall under a hodge-podge of fixes, with some old provisions from the 1930s and 1940s going back into force.
Also outstanding is the measure to provide supplemental funding for Israel, Ukraine, and the southern border between the U.S. and Mexico, as well as providing humanitarian assistance for Palestinian civilians in Gaza.
House Republicans refused to pass that measure unless it included their own extreme anti-immigration measures, but they have refused to participate in efforts to hash out legislation, clearly preferring to keep the issue hot to use against the Democrats in 2024. Since President Joe Biden took office, he and Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas have asked Congress for additional funding for Customs and Border Patrol officers and additional immigration courts, but despite Republicans’ own demand for such legislation, House speaker Mike Johnson (R-LA) wrote to Biden in December demanding that he impose stricter immigration rules and build a border wall through executive action. Today, Senator Ron Johnson (R-WI) echoed the idea that Biden, not Congress, should deal with the border.
Meanwhile, Emily Brooks and Rebecca Beitsch of The Hill reported today that about 60 House Republicans are planning to visit the border in Texas to emphasize the issue. They are also preparing to impeach Mayorkas on the grounds that he has failed to meet the requirements of the Secure Fence Act, “which defines operational control of the border as a status in which not a single person or piece of contraband improperly enters the country.” As Brooks and Beitsch point out, “not a single secretary of Homeland Security has met that standard of perfection.” House Republicans plan to hold hearings on impeaching Mayorkas, but Homeland Security Committee chair Mark Green (R-TN) has suggested to the Fox News Channel that the articles of impeachment are already written.
At the intersection of domestic and foreign affairs, Senator Robert Menendez (D-NJ), whom federal prosecutors have already indicted for using his office to work for Egypt, was charged again today with using his political influence to work for the government of Qatar. This is a big deal: at the time, Menendez was the chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, a key position in the U.S. government. Two Republican operatives are pleading guilty to evading lobbying laws in their own work for Qatar; their activities appear to have been much more limited than Menendez’s.
The turn of the new year has also produced lots of news in foreign affairs.
On February 4, 2021, just after Secretary of State Antony Blinken took office, Biden spoke at the State Department and said “the message I want the world to hear today” is that “America is back. Diplomacy is back at the center of our foreign policy.” In a New York Times article from December 31, Peter Baker, Edward Wong, Julian E. Barnes, and Isabel Kershner emphasize that Biden and his team have been engaged constantly in diplomacy with Israel, Qatar, Jordan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, and Oman. Since the October 7, 2023, attack by Iran-backed Hamas on Israel, Biden has spoken with Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu 14 times and visited Israel; Blinken has traveled to the region three times and visited Israel five times.
On December 22, in the Christian Science Monitor, Arab political journalist Taylor Luck and correspondent Fatima AbdulKarim reported that Arab Gulf states, Egypt, Jordan, the U.S., and the European Union have created “ massive postwar reconstruction plan…for the besieged Gaza Strip.” The plan is to “rebuild the coastal strip, unite and overhaul Palestinian governance, and create a Palestinian security force in Gaza to ensure Palestinian and Israeli security.”
Arab diplomats insist the reconstruction of southern Gaza, including alleviating suffering, rebuilding housing and infrastructure, and restoring jobs, must be “rapid”; Gulf states have set $3 billion a year for ten years as the first budget. The plan calls for a “revamped and revitalized” Palestinian Authority to govern Gaza and the West Bank with current president Mahmoud Abbas as a figurehead and an apolitical unity government running affairs.
The plan is still developing, but already the main obstacles are Israel’s governing coalition, led by Netanyahu, who refuses the ideas of a two-state solution and of a Palestinian Authority in charge of Gaza, and Hamas, which Gulf states as well as the U.S. reject as a participant in the future governance of Gaza. Other Iran-backed militias also oppose such a solution.
From the beginning of the Hamas-Israel war, the Biden administration has been very clear that its first goal was to make sure the conflict didn’t spread, with Lebanon’s Iran-allied Hezbollah and other proxy militias joining in fully. Biden immediately sent two carrier groups to the region and promised “to move in additional assets as needed.” On October 10 he warned: “Let me say again—to any country, any organization, anyone thinking of taking advantage of this situation, I have one word: Don’t. Don’t.”
The New York Times piece by Baker, Wong, Barnes, and Kershner revealed that Biden and his national security team, including Secretary of State Antony Blinken and national security advisor Jake Sullivan, also warned Netanyahu against launching a preemptive strike on Hezbollah. Israel and Hezbollah have been attacking each other with drones, missiles, and air strikes along the countries’ border.
Meanwhile, Iran-backed Houthi rebels from Yemen have attacked ships in the Red Sea, which is one of the world’s busiest shipping lanes, handling about 12% of global trade and about 8.2 million barrels of crude oil and oil products every day. On December 31, four small boats attacked the Hangzhou, a container ship from the Danish shipping giant Maersk sailing under a Singapore flag, and then fired on the U.S. Navy helicopters that responded to the Hangzhou’s distress call. The helicopter crews sank three of the boats, killing their crews; the fourth fled.
Today, Iran sent a naval frigate to the Red Sea, and Maersk announced it would stop using the Red Sea route until further notice. Hezbollah media said that an Israeli drone strike in Beirut, Lebanon, killed Saleh Arouri, the deputy political head of Hamas and a founder of its military wing. Hezbollah has vowed to retaliate.
Also today, in response to calls from Israeli cabinet members for the resettlement of Palestinians outside Gaza, the U.S. State Department issued a “rejection” of both the language and the idea. “We have been clear, consistent, and unequivocal that Gaza is Palestinian land and will remain Palestinian land, with Hamas no longer in control of its future and with no terror groups able to threaten Israel. That is the future we seek, in the interests of Israelis and Palestinians, the surrounding region, and the world.”
And in today’s Washington Post, Lebanon’s former prime minister Fouad Siniora and former Lebanese lawmaker Basem Shabb noted that “espite the ferocity of the bombing and the great loss of innocent civilian lives in Gaza, the conflict remains largely contained to an Israeli-Palestinian confrontation—and more specifically, is broadly understood in the Arab world to be a conflict with Hamas, a non-state actor,” but warned the conflict must not spread. They noted that in November, “n a first, 57 Arab and Islamic countries…called for a peaceful resolution to the Palestinian-Israeli conflict based on a two-state solution,” the same concept embraced by the Biden administration.
“In response to Israel’s atrocities in Gaza, the Arab world responded with denunciation—but, more importantly, with diplomacy. No military threats were issued by any of the Arab states toward Israel,” the Lebanese lawmakers pointed out. They urged Israel to embrace the two-state solution “and, in doing so, usher in a new era in the Middle East.”
Lots of pieces moving around the board on this second day of January 2024.
US court records related to Jeffrey Epstein set to be released on Wednesday US time
Will Trump’s name be on the list and if so what could that do towards his reputation?
roughbarked said:
US court records related to Jeffrey Epstein set to be released on Wednesday US timeWill Trump’s name be on the list and if so what could that do towards his reputation?
Maybe we shouldn’t read too much into this.
They’ll be names of his ‘associates’, and that’s a rather broad term.
It could be that some, or a lot, of them are just people with who he had legitimate business dealings or partnerships. They may well not have been on his own list of regular invitees to what Berlusconi might have called ‘bunga-bunga’ parties.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
US court records related to Jeffrey Epstein set to be released on Wednesday US timeWill Trump’s name be on the list and if so what could that do towards his reputation?
Maybe we shouldn’t read too much into this.
They’ll be names of his ‘associates’, and that’s a rather broad term.
It could be that some, or a lot, of them are just people with who he had legitimate business dealings or partnerships. They may well not have been on his own list of regular invitees to what Berlusconi might have called ‘bunga-bunga’ parties.
OK.
Please, please, please…can this be made into a case of hubris getting its just desserts.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-04/trump-takes-colorado-ballot-disqualification-to-us-supreme-court/103283958
So far the Epstein docs don’t appear to show anything that had not already come to light: we already knew Trump and Clinton had been on his plane in the 1990s. There are some more details about Andrews inappropriate actions towards minors. MIght give it a few more hours and see what the journos turn up.
Technically the US election starts a week from now with the Republican Iowa Caucus. Unlike most states, Iowa Republicans distribute their delegates proportionally (rather than winner takes all). Seems v likely Trump will get about half the delegates, with Haley and DeSantis vying for second place.
dv said:
Technically the US election starts a week from now with the Republican Iowa Caucus. Unlike most states, Iowa Republicans distribute their delegates proportionally (rather than winner takes all). Seems v likely Trump will get about half the delegates, with Haley and DeSantis vying for second place.
That reminds me…I should check when Planet America resumes.
buffy said:
dv said:
Technically the US election starts a week from now with the Republican Iowa Caucus. Unlike most states, Iowa Republicans distribute their delegates proportionally (rather than winner takes all). Seems v likely Trump will get about half the delegates, with Haley and DeSantis vying for second place.
That reminds me…I should check when Planet America resumes.
And the answer is Friday week…12th January.
United Nations experts are urging authorities in the United States to halt the planned execution of a prisoner by asphyxiation using pure nitrogen, saying the untested method may subject him to “cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or even torture”.
OCDC said:
United Nations experts are urging authorities in the United States to halt the planned execution of a prisoner by asphyxiation using pure nitrogen, saying the untested method may subject him to “cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or even torture”.
Yeah. Like other forms of state-sanctioned murder are not “cruel, inhuman or degrading”
OCDC said:
United Nations experts are urging authorities in the United States to halt the planned execution of a prisoner by asphyxiation using pure nitrogen, saying the untested method may subject him to “cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or even torture”.
I read that earlier, nice way to die I imagine not
I wonder why they can’t use end of life euthanasia drugs or perhaps they are also banned in the use of executions
Cymek said:
OCDC said:I’ve never heard of VAD “failing” in anyone who has taken the substance, but it might be difficult to get someone on death row to willingly ingest it. Having said that, I would not want to be the person who has to insert the IV cannula! Apart from the obvious moral reasons, the needle stick risk would be high.United Nations experts are urging authorities in the United States to halt the planned execution of a prisoner by asphyxiation using pure nitrogen, saying the untested method may subject him to “cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or even torture”.I read that earlier, nice way to die I imagine not
I wonder why they can’t use end of life euthanasia drugs or perhaps they are also banned in the use of executions
It’s not likely to ever be a concern for me, but I would be willing to inject the VAD substance into a person who was unable to swallow it. You may think, easy enough to say that now, but I watched my uncle desperately wish for it to be an option for him (he was a year too early).
Video captured the moments when Deobra Redden jumped over a bench and lunged at Judge Mary Kay Holthus during the sentencing hearing for an attempted battery charge.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDvr7IDPq2U
sarahs mum said:
Video captured the moments when Deobra Redden jumped over a bench and lunged at Judge Mary Kay Holthus during the sentencing hearing for an attempted battery charge.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDvr7IDPq2U
If she wasn’t going to hand down a max charge then…
sarahs mum said:
Video captured the moments when Deobra Redden jumped over a bench and lunged at Judge Mary Kay Holthus during the sentencing hearing for an attempted battery charge.Jaysus.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDvr7IDPq2U
sarahs mum said:
Video captured the moments when Deobra Redden jumped over a bench and lunged at Judge Mary Kay Holthus during the sentencing hearing for an attempted battery charge.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDvr7IDPq2U
Blimey.
OCDC said:
sarahs mum said:Video captured the moments when Deobra Redden jumped over a bench and lunged at Judge Mary Kay Holthus during the sentencing hearing for an attempted battery charge.Jaysus.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDvr7IDPq2U
Somebody forgot the cuffs.
OCDC said:
sarahs mum said:Video captured the moments when Deobra Redden jumped over a bench and lunged at Judge Mary Kay Holthus during the sentencing hearing for an attempted battery charge.Jaysus.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDvr7IDPq2U
Apart from the horror of it, that jump was astounding.
kii said:
OCDC said:
sarahs mum said:Video captured the moments when Deobra Redden jumped over a bench and lunged at Judge Mary Kay Holthus during the sentencing hearing for an attempted battery charge.Jaysus.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDvr7IDPq2U
Apart from the horror of it, that jump was astounding.
And the feeble “punches” from the pasty white legal assistant were pathetic. A decent chokehold from the security guard should have had him out cold in ~ ten seconds, but I’m no fighty man, I’ll wait to see what Admiral_Spalding has to say about it.
Kingy said:
kii said:
OCDC said:
Jaysus.
Apart from the horror of it, that jump was astounding.
And the feeble “punches” from the pasty white legal assistant were pathetic. A decent chokehold from the security guard should have had him out cold in ~ ten seconds, but I’m no fighty man, I’ll wait to see what Admiral_Spalding has to say about it.
The courts should be set up to prevent that occurring, but perhaps being the USA they do it in a weird way so it looks good but is impractical.
Our court security get monetary penalties if they don’t respond in a certain time frame and should be aware of what may go down in the court room itself.
at least 23 state capitol buildings were shut down yesterday because some moron or morons thought it would be cool to threaten to blow shit up.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/03/us/state-capitols-threats/?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
https://youtu.be/krVNdQOWYk4?si=7KmQTVAeFck0mvuI
Legal Eagles: that one weird trick
A group of registered Republican voters won their case, removing Trump from the Colorado ballot: the Supreme court will ultimately decide. Legal Eagles breaks it down.
Heather Cox Richardson
59 m ·
January 4, 2024 (Thursday)
The Democrats on the House Oversight Committee today released a 156-page report showing that when he was in the presidency, Trump received at least $7.8 million from 20 different governments, including those of China, Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, Qatar, Kuwait, and Malaysia, through businesses he owned.
The Democrats brought receipts.
According to the report—and the documents from Trump’s former accounting firm Mazars that are attached to it—the People’s Republic of China and companies substantially controlled by the PRC government paid at least $5,572,548 to Trump-owned properties while Trump was in office; Saudi Arabia paid at least $615,422; Qatar paid at least $465,744; Kuwait paid at least $300,000; India paid at least $282,764; Malaysia paid at least $248,962; Afghanistan paid at least $154,750; the Philippines paid at least $74,810; the United Arab Emirates paid at least $65,225. The list went on and on.
The committee Democrats explained that these payments were likely only a fraction of the actual money exchanged, since they cover only four of more than 500 entities Trump owned at the time. When the Republicans took control of the House of Representatives in January 2023, Oversight Committee chair James Comer (R-KY) stopped the investigation before Mazars had produced the documents the committee had asked for when Democrats were in charge of it. Those records included documents relating to Russia, South Korea, South Africa, and Brazil.
Trump fought hard against the production of these documents, dragging out the court fight until September 2022. The committee worked on them for just four months before voters put Republicans in charge of the House and the investigation stopped.
These are the first hard numbers that show how foreign governments funneled money to the president while policies involving their countries were in front of him. The report notes, for example, that Trump refused to impose sanctions on Chinese banks that were helping the North Korean government; one of those banks was paying him close to $2 million in rent annually for commercial office space in Trump Tower.
The first article of the U.S. Constitution reads: “o Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under , shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument , Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.”
The report also contrasted powerfully with the attempt of Republicans on the Oversight Committee, led by Comer, to argue that Democratic Joe Biden has corruptly profited from the presidency.
In the Washington Post on December 26, 2023, Philip Bump noted that just after voters elected a Republican majority, Comer told the Washington Post that as soon as he was in charge of the Oversight Committee, he would use his power to “determine if this president and this White House are compromised because of the millions of dollars that his family has received from our adversaries in China, Russia and Ukraine.”
For the past year, while he and the committee have made a number of highly misleading statements to make it sound as if there are Biden family businesses involving the president (there are not) and the president was involved in them (he was not), their claims were never backed by any evidence. Bump noted in a piece on December 14, 2023, for example, that Comer told Fox News Channel personality Maria Bartiromo that “the Bidens” have “taken in” more than $24 million. In fact, Bump explained, Biden’s son Hunter and his business partners did receive such payments, but most of the money went to the business partners. About $7.5 million of it went to Hunter Biden. There is no evidence that any of it went to Joe Biden.
All of the committee’s claims have similar reality checks. Jonathan Yerushalmy of The Guardian wrote that after nearly 40,000 pages of bank records and dozens of hours of testimony, “no evidence has emerged that Biden acted corruptly or accepted bribes in his current or previous role.”
Still, the constant hyping of their claims on right-wing media led then–House speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) to authorize an impeachment inquiry in mid-September, and in mid-December, Republicans in the House formalized the inquiry.
There is more behind the attack on Biden than simply trying to even the score between him and Trump—who remains angry at his impeachments and has demanded Republicans retaliate—or to smear Biden through an “investigation,” which has been a standard technique of the Republicans since the mid-1990s.
Claiming that Biden is as corrupt as Trump undermines faith in our democracy. After all, if everyone is a crook, why does it matter which one is in office? And what makes American democracy any different from the authoritarian systems of Russia or Hungary or Venezuela, where leaders grab what they can for themselves and their followers?
Democracies are different from authoritarian governments because they have laws to prevent the corruption in which it appears Trump engaged. The fact that Republicans refuse to hold their own party members accountable to those laws while smearing their opponents says far more about them than it does about the nature of democracy.
It does, though, highlight that our democracy is in danger.
Alaska’s Dem house representative
dv said:
Alaska’s Dem house representative
176 rifles/shotguns?
That’s more single-person firepower than a lot of infantry companies.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
Alaska’s Dem house representative
176 rifles/shotguns?
That’s more single-person firepower than a lot of infantry companies.
Dem Alaskans have to protect themselves agaiinst the predators out there.
The US Supreme Court has agreed to hear Donald Trump’s appeal of a judicial decision barring the former president from the Colorado Republican primary ballot, taking up a politically explosive case with major implications for the 2024 presidential election.
Key points:
The Colorado case thrusts the Supreme Court into unprecedented and politically fraught territory
The court’s 6-3 conservative majority includes three justices appointed by Mr Trump
The justices made their decision to hear the case with unusual speed
OCDC said:
The US Supreme Court has agreed to hear Donald Trump’s appeal of a judicial decision barring the former president from the Colorado Republican primary ballot, taking up a politically explosive case with major implications for the 2024 presidential election.Key points:
The Colorado case thrusts the Supreme Court into unprecedented and politically fraught territory
The court’s 6-3 conservative majority includes three justices appointed by Mr Trump
The justices made their decision to hear the case with unusual speed
So, from that piece, it’s his own side that started this one?
>>The state court, acting in a challenge to Mr Trump by Republican and unaffiliated voters in Colorado, found Mr Trump ineligible for the presidency under a constitutional provision that bars anyone who “engaged in insurrection or rebellion” from holding public office, and therefore barred him from appearing on the primary ballot.<<
buffy said:
OCDC said:
The US Supreme Court has agreed to hear Donald Trump’s appeal of a judicial decision barring the former president from the Colorado Republican primary ballot, taking up a politically explosive case with major implications for the 2024 presidential election.Key points:
The Colorado case thrusts the Supreme Court into unprecedented and politically fraught territory
The court’s 6-3 conservative majority includes three justices appointed by Mr Trump
The justices made their decision to hear the case with unusual speed
So, from that piece, it’s his own side that started this one?
>>The state court, acting in a challenge to Mr Trump by Republican and unaffiliated voters in Colorado, found Mr Trump ineligible for the presidency under a constitutional provision that bars anyone who “engaged in insurrection or rebellion” from holding public office, and therefore barred him from appearing on the primary ballot.<<
Yeah. Never-Trumpers.
buffy said:
OCDC said:
The US Supreme Court has agreed to hear Donald Trump’s appeal of a judicial decision barring the former president from the Colorado Republican primary ballot, taking up a politically explosive case with major implications for the 2024 presidential election.Key points:
The Colorado case thrusts the Supreme Court into unprecedented and politically fraught territory
The court’s 6-3 conservative majority includes three justices appointed by Mr Trump
The justices made their decision to hear the case with unusual speed
So, from that piece, it’s his own side that started this one?
>>The state court, acting in a challenge to Mr Trump by Republican and unaffiliated voters in Colorado, found Mr Trump ineligible for the presidency under a constitutional provision that bars anyone who “engaged in insurrection or rebellion” from holding public office, and therefore barred him from appearing on the primary ballot.<<
It will be interesting to see how they vote on this.
dv said:
Well, that’s that fixed, then.
Heather Cox Richardson
4 h ·
January 5, 2024 (Friday)
President Joe Biden launched his reelection campaign today with a speech at Montgomery County Community College in Blue Bell, Pennsylvania. He spoke after a visit to nearby Valley Forge, where General George Washington quartered his troops from December 1777 to June 1778 during the Revolutionary War in which the former colonies sought to establish their independence from Great Britain.
Biden began the speech by outlining what the soldiers in the Continental Army quartered at Valley Forge had fought for. “America made a vow,” Biden said. “Never again would we bow down to a king.”
A “ragtag army made up of ordinary people” fought for what Washington called “a sacred cause,” he said: “Freedom, liberty, democracy. American democracy.” Valley Forge, he said, “tells the story of the pain and the suffering and the true patriotism it took to make America.”
Three years ago, he said, when insurrectionists tried to stop the peaceful transfer of power on January 6, 2021, “we nearly…lost it all.”
“Today, we’re here to answer the most important of questions,” Biden said. “Is democracy still America’s sacred cause?… This is not rhetorical, academic or hypothetical. Whether democracy is still America’s sacred cause is the most urgent question of our time.”
“And it’s what the 2024 election is all about.”
Biden described Trump’s attack on American democracy and warned that “Donald Trump’s campaign is about him, not America, not you.” Biden remembered the “smashing windows, shattering doors, attacking the police” of January 6. He recalled the rioters erecting a gallows while the crowd chanted, “Hang Mike Pence,” hunting for then–House speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), and injuring more than 140 police officers.
Like the House Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the U.S. Capitol, Biden emphasized that while the whole world was watching the attack in horror and disbelief, and even as staff, family members, and Republican leaders pleaded with Trump to do something, the former president watched events unfold on the television in a little room off the Oval Office and “did nothing.”
Biden repeated the condemnation of former representative Liz Cheney (R-WY) when he called that refusal to act “among the worst derelictions of duty by a president in American history.”
The president went on to explain how Trump continued to lie that he had won the 2020 presidential election despite losing recounts and 60 court cases. For those lies, Trump’s lawyer Rudy Giuliani was ordered last month to pay $148 million to election workers Ruby Freeman and Shaye Moss for defamation, and the Fox News Corporation agreed to pay $787 million to Dominion Voting Systems for lying that their machines had switched votes from Trump to Biden.
Then, when he had exhausted all his legal options, Trump urged his supporters to assault the Capitol. Since then, more than 1,200 people have been charged with crimes related to the events of that day; nearly 900 of them have pleaded guilty or been convicted.
Trump has called those insurrectionists “patriots” and has promised to pardon them if he is returned to office. But normalizing violence as part of our political system destroys the reasonable debate and peaceful transition of power that is at the heart of democracy. Biden identified this danger, warning: “Political violence is never, ever acceptable in the United States political system—never, never, never. It has no place in a democracy. None. You can’t be pro-insurrectionist and pro-American.”
Biden noted that Trump has promised to continue to assault democracy, threatening “a full-scale campaign of ‘revenge’ and ‘retribution’…for some years to come.” Trump has said he “would be a dictator on day one,” called for the “termination of all the rules, regulation, and articles, even those found in the U.S. Constitution,” and echoed the language used in Nazi Germany by calling those who oppose him “vermin” and talking about the blood of Americans being poisoned by immigrants.
“There’s no confusion about who Trump is and what he intends to do,” Biden said.
Immediately after January 6, 2021, “even Republican members of Congress and Fox News commentators publicly and privately condemned the attack,” he said. “But now…those same people have changed their tune…. olitics, fear, money, all have intervened. And now these MAGA voices who know the truth about Trump on January 6th have abandoned the truth and abandoned democracy.”
“They made their choice,” Biden said. “Now the rest of us—Democrats, independents, mainstream Republicans—we have to make our choice. I know mine. And I believe I know America’s. We will defend the truth, not give in to the Big Lie. We’ll embrace the Constitution and the Declaration, not abandon it. We’ll honor the sacred cause of democracy, not walk away from it.”
“Today, I make this sacred pledge to you,” he said. “The defense, protection, and preservation of American democracy will remain, as it has been, the central cause of my presidency.”
“America, as we begin this election year, we must be clear,” Biden said. “Democracy is on the ballot. Your freedom is on the ballot.” “The alternative to democracy is dictatorship—the rule of one, not the rule of ‘We the People.’”
“Together, we can keep proving that America is still a country that believes in decency, dignity, honesty, honor, truth,” he said. “We still believe that no one, not even the President, is above the law…. he vast majority of us still believe that everyone deserves a fair shot at making it. We’re still a nation that gives hate no safe harbor…. We still believe in ‘We the People,’ and that includes all of us, not some of us.”
In “that cold winter of 1777,” Biden said, referring back to the soldiers at Valley Forge, “George Washington and his American troops…waged a battle on behalf of a revolutionary idea that everyday people—like where I come from and the vast majority of you—…that everyday people can govern themselves without a king or a dictator.”
Americans “take charge of our destiny,” Biden said. “We get our job done with…the help of the people we find in America, who find their place in the changing world and dream and build a future that not only they but all people deserve a shot at.”
“This is the first national election since January 6th insurrection placed a dagger at the throat of American democracy,” Biden said. “We all know who Donald Trump is. The question we have to answer is: Who are we? That’s what’s at stake. Who are we?”
And then he answered his own question, concluding with his characteristic faith in the American people. “After all we’ve been through in our history, from independence to Civil War to two world wars to a pandemic to insurrection,” he said, “I refuse to believe that, in 2024, we Americans will choose to walk away from what’s made us the greatest nation in the history of the world: freedom, liberty.”
“Democracy,” he said, “is still a sacred cause.”
sarahs mum said:
Heather Cox Richardson
4 h ·
January 5, 2024 (Friday)
President Joe Biden launched his reelection campaign today with a speech at Montgomery County Community College in Blue Bell, Pennsylvania. He spoke after a visit to nearby Valley Forge, where General George Washington quartered his troops from December 1777 to June 1778 during the Revolutionary War in which the former colonies sought to establish their independence from Great Britain.
Biden began the speech by outlining what the soldiers in the Continental Army quartered at Valley Forge had fought for. “America made a vow,” Biden said. “Never again would we bow down to a king.”A “ragtag army made up of ordinary people” fought for what Washington called “a sacred cause,” he said: “Freedom, liberty, democracy. American democracy.” Valley Forge, he said, “tells the story of the pain and the suffering and the true patriotism it took to make America.”
Three years ago, he said, when insurrectionists tried to stop the peaceful transfer of power on January 6, 2021, “we nearly…lost it all.”
“Today, we’re here to answer the most important of questions,” Biden said. “Is democracy still America’s sacred cause?… This is not rhetorical, academic or hypothetical. Whether democracy is still America’s sacred cause is the most urgent question of our time.”
“And it’s what the 2024 election is all about.”Biden described Trump’s attack on American democracy and warned that “Donald Trump’s campaign is about him, not America, not you.” Biden remembered the “smashing windows, shattering doors, attacking the police” of January 6. He recalled the rioters erecting a gallows while the crowd chanted, “Hang Mike Pence,” hunting for then–House speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), and injuring more than 140 police officers.
Like the House Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the U.S. Capitol, Biden emphasized that while the whole world was watching the attack in horror and disbelief, and even as staff, family members, and Republican leaders pleaded with Trump to do something, the former president watched events unfold on the television in a little room off the Oval Office and “did nothing.”
Biden repeated the condemnation of former representative Liz Cheney (R-WY) when he called that refusal to act “among the worst derelictions of duty by a president in American history.”The president went on to explain how Trump continued to lie that he had won the 2020 presidential election despite losing recounts and 60 court cases. For those lies, Trump’s lawyer Rudy Giuliani was ordered last month to pay $148 million to election workers Ruby Freeman and Shaye Moss for defamation, and the Fox News Corporation agreed to pay $787 million to Dominion Voting Systems for lying that their machines had switched votes from Trump to Biden.
Then, when he had exhausted all his legal options, Trump urged his supporters to assault the Capitol. Since then, more than 1,200 people have been charged with crimes related to the events of that day; nearly 900 of them have pleaded guilty or been convicted.
Trump has called those insurrectionists “patriots” and has promised to pardon them if he is returned to office. But normalizing violence as part of our political system destroys the reasonable debate and peaceful transition of power that is at the heart of democracy. Biden identified this danger, warning: “Political violence is never, ever acceptable in the United States political system—never, never, never. It has no place in a democracy. None. You can’t be pro-insurrectionist and pro-American.”Biden noted that Trump has promised to continue to assault democracy, threatening “a full-scale campaign of ‘revenge’ and ‘retribution’…for some years to come.” Trump has said he “would be a dictator on day one,” called for the “termination of all the rules, regulation, and articles, even those found in the U.S. Constitution,” and echoed the language used in Nazi Germany by calling those who oppose him “vermin” and talking about the blood of Americans being poisoned by immigrants.
“There’s no confusion about who Trump is and what he intends to do,” Biden said.
Immediately after January 6, 2021, “even Republican members of Congress and Fox News commentators publicly and privately condemned the attack,” he said. “But now…those same people have changed their tune…. olitics, fear, money, all have intervened. And now these MAGA voices who know the truth about Trump on January 6th have abandoned the truth and abandoned democracy.”
“They made their choice,” Biden said. “Now the rest of us—Democrats, independents, mainstream Republicans—we have to make our choice. I know mine. And I believe I know America’s. We will defend the truth, not give in to the Big Lie. We’ll embrace the Constitution and the Declaration, not abandon it. We’ll honor the sacred cause of democracy, not walk away from it.”“Today, I make this sacred pledge to you,” he said. “The defense, protection, and preservation of American democracy will remain, as it has been, the central cause of my presidency.”
“America, as we begin this election year, we must be clear,” Biden said. “Democracy is on the ballot. Your freedom is on the ballot.” “The alternative to democracy is dictatorship—the rule of one, not the rule of ‘We the People.’”
“Together, we can keep proving that America is still a country that believes in decency, dignity, honesty, honor, truth,” he said. “We still believe that no one, not even the President, is above the law…. he vast majority of us still believe that everyone deserves a fair shot at making it. We’re still a nation that gives hate no safe harbor…. We still believe in ‘We the People,’ and that includes all of us, not some of us.”
In “that cold winter of 1777,” Biden said, referring back to the soldiers at Valley Forge, “George Washington and his American troops…waged a battle on behalf of a revolutionary idea that everyday people—like where I come from and the vast majority of you—…that everyday people can govern themselves without a king or a dictator.”
Americans “take charge of our destiny,” Biden said. “We get our job done with…the help of the people we find in America, who find their place in the changing world and dream and build a future that not only they but all people deserve a shot at.”
“This is the first national election since January 6th insurrection placed a dagger at the throat of American democracy,” Biden said. “We all know who Donald Trump is. The question we have to answer is: Who are we? That’s what’s at stake. Who are we?”
And then he answered his own question, concluding with his characteristic faith in the American people. “After all we’ve been through in our history, from independence to Civil War to two world wars to a pandemic to insurrection,” he said, “I refuse to believe that, in 2024, we Americans will choose to walk away from what’s made us the greatest nation in the history of the world: freedom, liberty.”
“Democracy,” he said, “is still a sacred cause.”
Well said Joe and you have my vote.
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
Heather Cox Richardson
4 h ·
January 5, 2024 (Friday)
President Joe Biden launched his reelection campaign today with a speech at Montgomery County Community College in Blue Bell, Pennsylvania. He spoke after a visit to nearby Valley Forge, where General George Washington quartered his troops from December 1777 to June 1778 during the Revolutionary War in which the former colonies sought to establish their independence from Great Britain.
Biden began the speech by outlining what the soldiers in the Continental Army quartered at Valley Forge had fought for. “America made a vow,” Biden said. “Never again would we bow down to a king.”A “ragtag army made up of ordinary people” fought for what Washington called “a sacred cause,” he said: “Freedom, liberty, democracy. American democracy.” Valley Forge, he said, “tells the story of the pain and the suffering and the true patriotism it took to make America.”
Three years ago, he said, when insurrectionists tried to stop the peaceful transfer of power on January 6, 2021, “we nearly…lost it all.”
“Today, we’re here to answer the most important of questions,” Biden said. “Is democracy still America’s sacred cause?… This is not rhetorical, academic or hypothetical. Whether democracy is still America’s sacred cause is the most urgent question of our time.”
“And it’s what the 2024 election is all about.”Biden described Trump’s attack on American democracy and warned that “Donald Trump’s campaign is about him, not America, not you.” Biden remembered the “smashing windows, shattering doors, attacking the police” of January 6. He recalled the rioters erecting a gallows while the crowd chanted, “Hang Mike Pence,” hunting for then–House speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), and injuring more than 140 police officers.
Like the House Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the U.S. Capitol, Biden emphasized that while the whole world was watching the attack in horror and disbelief, and even as staff, family members, and Republican leaders pleaded with Trump to do something, the former president watched events unfold on the television in a little room off the Oval Office and “did nothing.”
Biden repeated the condemnation of former representative Liz Cheney (R-WY) when he called that refusal to act “among the worst derelictions of duty by a president in American history.”The president went on to explain how Trump continued to lie that he had won the 2020 presidential election despite losing recounts and 60 court cases. For those lies, Trump’s lawyer Rudy Giuliani was ordered last month to pay $148 million to election workers Ruby Freeman and Shaye Moss for defamation, and the Fox News Corporation agreed to pay $787 million to Dominion Voting Systems for lying that their machines had switched votes from Trump to Biden.
Then, when he had exhausted all his legal options, Trump urged his supporters to assault the Capitol. Since then, more than 1,200 people have been charged with crimes related to the events of that day; nearly 900 of them have pleaded guilty or been convicted.
Trump has called those insurrectionists “patriots” and has promised to pardon them if he is returned to office. But normalizing violence as part of our political system destroys the reasonable debate and peaceful transition of power that is at the heart of democracy. Biden identified this danger, warning: “Political violence is never, ever acceptable in the United States political system—never, never, never. It has no place in a democracy. None. You can’t be pro-insurrectionist and pro-American.”Biden noted that Trump has promised to continue to assault democracy, threatening “a full-scale campaign of ‘revenge’ and ‘retribution’…for some years to come.” Trump has said he “would be a dictator on day one,” called for the “termination of all the rules, regulation, and articles, even those found in the U.S. Constitution,” and echoed the language used in Nazi Germany by calling those who oppose him “vermin” and talking about the blood of Americans being poisoned by immigrants.
“There’s no confusion about who Trump is and what he intends to do,” Biden said.
Immediately after January 6, 2021, “even Republican members of Congress and Fox News commentators publicly and privately condemned the attack,” he said. “But now…those same people have changed their tune…. olitics, fear, money, all have intervened. And now these MAGA voices who know the truth about Trump on January 6th have abandoned the truth and abandoned democracy.”
“They made their choice,” Biden said. “Now the rest of us—Democrats, independents, mainstream Republicans—we have to make our choice. I know mine. And I believe I know America’s. We will defend the truth, not give in to the Big Lie. We’ll embrace the Constitution and the Declaration, not abandon it. We’ll honor the sacred cause of democracy, not walk away from it.”“Today, I make this sacred pledge to you,” he said. “The defense, protection, and preservation of American democracy will remain, as it has been, the central cause of my presidency.”
“America, as we begin this election year, we must be clear,” Biden said. “Democracy is on the ballot. Your freedom is on the ballot.” “The alternative to democracy is dictatorship—the rule of one, not the rule of ‘We the People.’”
“Together, we can keep proving that America is still a country that believes in decency, dignity, honesty, honor, truth,” he said. “We still believe that no one, not even the President, is above the law…. he vast majority of us still believe that everyone deserves a fair shot at making it. We’re still a nation that gives hate no safe harbor…. We still believe in ‘We the People,’ and that includes all of us, not some of us.”
In “that cold winter of 1777,” Biden said, referring back to the soldiers at Valley Forge, “George Washington and his American troops…waged a battle on behalf of a revolutionary idea that everyday people—like where I come from and the vast majority of you—…that everyday people can govern themselves without a king or a dictator.”
Americans “take charge of our destiny,” Biden said. “We get our job done with…the help of the people we find in America, who find their place in the changing world and dream and build a future that not only they but all people deserve a shot at.”
“This is the first national election since January 6th insurrection placed a dagger at the throat of American democracy,” Biden said. “We all know who Donald Trump is. The question we have to answer is: Who are we? That’s what’s at stake. Who are we?”
And then he answered his own question, concluding with his characteristic faith in the American people. “After all we’ve been through in our history, from independence to Civil War to two world wars to a pandemic to insurrection,” he said, “I refuse to believe that, in 2024, we Americans will choose to walk away from what’s made us the greatest nation in the history of the world: freedom, liberty.”
“Democracy,” he said, “is still a sacred cause.”
Well said Joe and you have my vote.
It is a pity the rest of the world can’t vote.
roughbarked said:
It is a pity the rest of the world can’t vote.
It’s pity that so many Americans are making concerted efforts to prevent so many other Americans from voting.
And that so many Americans simply can’t be bothered to vote.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tolcFqOsSwU
——
I remember my brother started rumours about how he was going to travel to Europe and go skiing. My ex-sister in law started divorce proceedings only to find out that he actually was stone broke.
Melania might just be having problems knowing whether to do same for much the same reason.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:It is a pity the rest of the world can’t vote.
It’s pity that so many Americans are making concerted efforts to prevent so many other Americans from voting.
And that so many Americans simply can’t be bothered to vote.
That’s the totally shameful part.
If this is true
dis asshole shouldn’t be walking the streets
…much less be running for the PotUS!
Why Does Donald Trump Sniff So Much?
(w/ Dr. Justin A. Frank)
Drugs.com
Adderall
Ogmog said:
If this is true
dis asshole shouldn’t be walking the streets
…much less be running for the PotUS!Why Does Donald Trump Sniff So Much?
(w/ Dr. Justin A. Frank)Drugs.com
Adderall
That video is 3 years old. People have been talking about it for years.
kii said:
Ogmog said:If this is true
dis asshole shouldn’t be walking the streets
…much less be running for the PotUS!Why Does Donald Trump Sniff So Much?
(w/ Dr. Justin A. Frank)Drugs.com
Adderall
That video is 3 years old. People have been talking about it for years.
He’s gone this time, the drug addict is gone for sure
Peak Warming Man said:
kii said:
Ogmog said:If this is true
dis asshole shouldn’t be walking the streets
…much less be running for the PotUS!Why Does Donald Trump Sniff So Much?
(w/ Dr. Justin A. Frank)Drugs.com
Adderall
That video is 3 years old. People have been talking about it for years.
He’s gone this time, the drug addict is gone for sure
Ogmog said:
Peak Warming Man said:
kii said:That video is 3 years old. People have been talking about it for years.
He’s gone this time, the drug addict is gone for sure
snorts some more cocaine
WOW.
“hostages”?!
Ogmog said:
Peak Warming Man said:
kii said:That video is 3 years old. People have been talking about it for years.
He’s gone this time, the drug addict is gone for sure
buffy said:
“hostages”?!
https://youtu.be/gy0KYeHFGIo?si=r4MjTFtBO5W-LWBc
PBS story
Meanwhile the FBI is being greatly assisted by citizen sleuths, or sedition hunters, to track down unidentified insurrectionists.
Some 3000 people broke into the Capitol Building, assaulted officers and/or damaged property
1200 have already been arrested and about 1000 more have been identified. Most of the offences are under a 5 year statute of limitations: 3 years have passed and at this point it seems likely that there will be people identified but not yet charged due to the great backlog.
dv said:
buffy said:
“hostages”?!https://youtu.be/gy0KYeHFGIo?si=r4MjTFtBO5W-LWBc
PBS storyMeanwhile the FBI is being greatly assisted by citizen sleuths, or sedition hunters, to track down unidentified insurrectionists.
Some 3000 people broke into the Capitol Building, assaulted officers and/or damaged property
1200 have already been arrested and about 1000 more have been identified. Most of the offences are under a 5 year statute of limitations: 3 years have passed and at this point it seems likely that there will be people identified but not yet charged due to the great backlog.
Seems to me to be exceedingly stupid to have a statute of limitations for serious criminal matters.
party_pants said:
dv said:
buffy said:
“hostages”?!https://youtu.be/gy0KYeHFGIo?si=r4MjTFtBO5W-LWBc
PBS storyMeanwhile the FBI is being greatly assisted by citizen sleuths, or sedition hunters, to track down unidentified insurrectionists.
Some 3000 people broke into the Capitol Building, assaulted officers and/or damaged property
1200 have already been arrested and about 1000 more have been identified. Most of the offences are under a 5 year statute of limitations: 3 years have passed and at this point it seems likely that there will be people identified but not yet charged due to the great backlog.
Seems to me to be exceedingly stupid to have a statute of limitations for serious criminal matters.
I’m no lawyer but it could be connected to the right to a speedy trial. Be pretty annoying to have even serious potential charges hanging over you forever on the chance the state changes its mind about prosecution.
Witty Rejoinder said:
party_pants said:
dv said:https://youtu.be/gy0KYeHFGIo?si=r4MjTFtBO5W-LWBc
PBS storyMeanwhile the FBI is being greatly assisted by citizen sleuths, or sedition hunters, to track down unidentified insurrectionists.
Some 3000 people broke into the Capitol Building, assaulted officers and/or damaged property
1200 have already been arrested and about 1000 more have been identified. Most of the offences are under a 5 year statute of limitations: 3 years have passed and at this point it seems likely that there will be people identified but not yet charged due to the great backlog.
Seems to me to be exceedingly stupid to have a statute of limitations for serious criminal matters.
I’m no lawyer but it could be connected to the right to a speedy trial. Be pretty annoying to have even serious potential charges hanging over you forever on the chance the state changes its mind about prosecution.
To my way of thinking that is a completely unrelated matter. My reading of it is that if you commit a crime and don’t get caught within 5 years then you get away scot-free. It removes the deterrent aspect of criminal law and punishment.
party_pants said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
party_pants said:Seems to me to be exceedingly stupid to have a statute of limitations for serious criminal matters.
I’m no lawyer but it could be connected to the right to a speedy trial. Be pretty annoying to have even serious potential charges hanging over you forever on the chance the state changes its mind about prosecution.
To my way of thinking that is a completely unrelated matter. My reading of it is that if you commit a crime and don’t get caught within 5 years then you get away scot-free. It removes the deterrent aspect of criminal law and punishment.
Good point.
Going by this person’s account activity… this isn’t satire.
dv said:
Going by this person’s account activity… this isn’t satire.
Have to laugh though, else we’d cry.
Ogmog said:
If this is true
dis asshole shouldn’t be walking the streets
…much less be running for the PotUS!Why Does Donald Trump Sniff So Much?
(w/ Dr. Justin A. Frank)Drugs.com
Adderall
Addled all.
January 6, 2024 (Saturday)
Today, three years to the day after the January 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol to prevent the counting of the electoral ballots that would make Democrat Joe Biden president, officers from the Federal Bureau of Investigation arrested three fugitives wanted in connection with that attack.
Siblings Jonathan and Olivia Pollock, whose family owns Rapture Guns and Knives, described on its Facebook page as a “christian owned Gun and Knife store” in Lakeland, Florida, and Joseph Hutchinson III, who once worked there, are suspected of some of the worst violence of January 6. The FBI had offered a $30,000 reward for “Jonny” Pollock, while the other two had been arrested but removed their ankle bracelets in March 2023 and fled.
Family members of the fugitives and of other Lakeland residents arrested for their involvement in the January 6 attack on the Capitol insist their relatives are innocent, framed by a government eager to undermine their way of life. The Pollock family has gone so far as to erect a monument “in honor of the ones who lost their lives on January 6, 2021.”
But it does not honor the law enforcement officers who were killed or injured. It honors the insurrectionists: Ashli Babbitt, shot by a law enforcement officer as she tried to break into the House Chamber through a smashed window (her family today sued the government for $30 million for wrongful death), and three others, one who died of a stroke; one of a heart attack, and one of an amphetamine overdose.
The monument in Lakeland, Florida, is a stark contrast to the one President Biden visited yesterday in Pennsylvania. Valley Forge National Park is the site of the six-month winter encampment of the Continental Army in the hard winter of 1777–1778. After the British army captured the city of Philadelphia in September 1777, General George Washington settled 12,000 people of his army about 18 miles to the northwest.
There the army almost fell apart. Supply chains were broken as the British captured food or it spoiled in transit to the soldiers, and wartime inflation meant the Continental Congress did not appropriate enough money for food and clothing. Hunger and disease stalked the camp, but even worse was the lack of clothing. More than 1,000 soldiers died, and about eight or ten deserted every day. Washington warned the president of the Continental Congress that the men were close to mutiny.
Even if they didn’t quit, they weren’t very well organized for an army charged with resisting one of the greatest military forces on the globe. The different units had been trained with different field manuals, making it hard to coordinate movements, and a group of army officers were working with congressmen to replace Washington, complaining about how he was prosecuting the war.
By February 1778, though, things were falling into place. A delegation from the Continental Congress had visited Valley Forge and understood that the lack of supplies made the army, and thus the country, truly vulnerable, and they set out to reform the supply department. Then a newly arrived Prussian officer, Baron Friedrich von Steuben, drilled the soldiers into unity and better morale. And then, in May, the soldiers learned that France had signed a treaty with the American states in February, lending money, matériel, and men to the cause of American independence. When the soldiers broke camp in June, they marched out ready to take on the British at the Battle of Monmouth, where their new training paid off as they held their own against the British soldiers.
The January 6 insurrectionists were fond of claiming they were echoing these American revolutionaries who created the new nation in the 1770s. The right-wing Proud Boys’ strategic plan for taking over buildings in the Capitol complex on January 6 was titled: “1776 Returns,” and even more famously, newly elected representative Lauren Boebert (R-CO) wrote on January 5, 2021: “Remember these next 48 hours. These are some of the most important days in American history.” On January 6, she wrote: “Today is 1776.”
Trump has repeatedly called those January 6 insurrectionists “patriots.”
Biden yesterday called Trump out for “trying to steal history the same way he tried to steal the election.”
Indeed. The insurrectionists at the Capitol were not patriots. They were trying to overthrow the government in order to take away the right at the center of American democracy: our right to determine our own destiny. Commemorating them as heroes is the 21st century’s version of erecting Confederate statues.
The January 6th insurrectionists were nothing like the community at Valley Forge, made up of people who had offered up their lives to support a government pledged, however imperfectly in that era, to expanding that right. When faced with hunger, disease, and discord, that community—which was made up not just of a remarkably diverse set of soldiers from all 13 colonies, including Black and Indigenous men, but also of their families and the workers, enslaved and free, who came with them—worked together to build a force that could establish a nation based in the idea of freedom.
The people at the Capitol on January 6 who followed in the footsteps of those who were living in the Valley Forge encampment 246 years ago were not the rioters. They were the people who defended our right to live under a government in which we have a say: those like the staffers who delayed their evacuation of the Capitol to save the endangered electoral ballots, and like U.S. Capitol Police officers Eugene Goodman, Harry Dunn, Caroline Edwards, and Aquilino Gonell and Metropolitan Police officer Michael Fanone, along with the more than 140 officers injured that day.
Fanone, whom rioters beat and tasered, giving him a traumatic brain injury and a heart attack, yesterday told Emily Ngo, Jeff Coltin, and Nick Reisman of Politico: “I think it’s important that every institution in this country, every American, take the responsibility of upholding democracy seriously. And everyone needs to be doing everything that they can to ensure that a.) Donald Trump does not succeed and b.) the MAGA movement is extinguished.”
Unlike the violence of the January 6th insurrectionists, the experience of the people at Valley Forge is etched deep into our national identity as a symbol of the sacrifice and struggle Americans have made to preserve and renew democracy. It is so central to who we are that we have commemorated it in myths and monuments and have projected into the future that its meaning will always remain at the heart of America. According to The Star Trek Encyclopedia, the Federation Excelsior-class starship USS Valley Forge will still be fighting in the 24th century… against the Dominion empire.
Existentialists be like
Let’s talk about NY, the NRA, and late breaking news…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9Y1oFOwoYg
AussieDJ said:
Trump refuses to sign Loyalty Oath to Constitution
Isn’t that a requirement to run for president?
It’s just … insane that he’d draw attention to this
dv said:
It’s just … insane that he’d draw attention to this
Yes, but the cult-following of Trump is known for its uncritical thinking.
dv said:
It’s just … insane that he’d draw attention to this
He could be on stronger drugs than his dad?
“The NRA allowed Wayne LaPierre and his group of insiders … to operate the NRA as ‘Wayne’s World’ for decades,” said Ms Connell, alluding to the 1992 movie starring Mike Myers and Dana Carvey.
Trump, Iowa school shooting, more…
dv said:
kii said:
Just get over it.Trump, Iowa school shooting, more…
Is that really the right link
@farcry223
2 years ago
Man you can never go wrong with Hall and Oates
dv said:
kii said:
Just get over it.Trump, Iowa school shooting, more…
Is that really the right link
kii said:
dv said:
kii said:
Just get over it.Trump, Iowa school shooting, more…
Is that really the right link
M..a..y..b..e….?
Maybe not?
https://www.nbcnews.com/video/trump-reacts-to-scotus-colorado-hearing-and-iowa-shooting-at-rally-201461829932
dv said:
kii said:
Just get over it.Trump, Iowa school shooting, more…
Is that really the right link
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-ridiculed-bizarre-magnet-remarks-iowa-rally-1858420
With primary season set to properly kick off in a matter of weeks, Trump has been spending a significant amount of time making appearances in Iowa, the state that traditionally hosts the first state-level race during presidential election years. On Friday, Trump held his latest Iowa rally in Mason City where he made strange comments about magnets while discussing magnetic elevators, which turned heads online, while also making frequent references to the John Deere agricultural machinery company
“Think of it, magnets,” Trump said. “Now all I know about magnets is this, give me a glass of water, let me drop it on the magnets, that’s the end of the magnets. Why didn’t they use John Deere? Why didn’t they bring in the John Deere people? Do you like John Deere? I like John Deere.”
WTAF?
dv said:
“Think of it, magnets,” Trump said. “Now all I know about magnets is this, give me a glass of water, let me drop it on the magnets, that’s the end of the magnets. Why didn’t they use John Deere? Why didn’t they bring in the John Deere people? Do you like John Deere? I like John Deere.”
don’t buy cheap magnets!
dv said:
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-ridiculed-bizarre-magnet-remarks-iowa-rally-1858420With primary season set to properly kick off in a matter of weeks, Trump has been spending a significant amount of time making appearances in Iowa, the state that traditionally hosts the first state-level race during presidential election years. On Friday, Trump held his latest Iowa rally in Mason City where he made strange comments about magnets while discussing magnetic elevators, which turned heads online, while also making frequent references to the John Deere agricultural machinery company
“Think of it, magnets,” Trump said. “Now all I know about magnets is this, give me a glass of water, let me drop it on the magnets, that’s the end of the magnets. Why didn’t they use John Deere? Why didn’t they bring in the John Deere people? Do you like John Deere? I like John Deere.”
So John Deere are supporting his campaign?
Sounds a bit like John Laws and the Toyota ding.
dv said:
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-ridiculed-bizarre-magnet-remarks-iowa-rally-1858420With primary season set to properly kick off in a matter of weeks, Trump has been spending a significant amount of time making appearances in Iowa, the state that traditionally hosts the first state-level race during presidential election years. On Friday, Trump held his latest Iowa rally in Mason City where he made strange comments about magnets while discussing magnetic elevators, which turned heads online, while also making frequent references to the John Deere agricultural machinery company
“Think of it, magnets,” Trump said. “Now all I know about magnets is this, give me a glass of water, let me drop it on the magnets, that’s the end of the magnets. Why didn’t they use John Deere? Why didn’t they bring in the John Deere people? Do you like John Deere? I like John Deere.”
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-ridiculed-bizarre-magnet-remarks-iowa-rally-1858420With primary season set to properly kick off in a matter of weeks, Trump has been spending a significant amount of time making appearances in Iowa, the state that traditionally hosts the first state-level race during presidential election years. On Friday, Trump held his latest Iowa rally in Mason City where he made strange comments about magnets while discussing magnetic elevators, which turned heads online, while also making frequent references to the John Deere agricultural machinery company
“Think of it, magnets,” Trump said. “Now all I know about magnets is this, give me a glass of water, let me drop it on the magnets, that’s the end of the magnets. Why didn’t they use John Deere? Why didn’t they bring in the John Deere people? Do you like John Deere? I like John Deere.”
Fk.
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:“Think of it, magnets,” Trump said. “Now all I know about magnets is this, give me a glass of water, let me drop it on the magnets, that’s the end of the magnets. Why didn’t they use John Deere? Why didn’t they bring in the John Deere people? Do you like John Deere? I like John Deere.”
don’t buy cheap magnets!
They sink.
dv said:
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-ridiculed-bizarre-magnet-remarks-iowa-rally-1858420With primary season set to properly kick off in a matter of weeks, Trump has been spending a significant amount of time making appearances in Iowa, the state that traditionally hosts the first state-level race during presidential election years. On Friday, Trump held his latest Iowa rally in Mason City where he made strange comments about magnets while discussing magnetic elevators, which turned heads online, while also making frequent references to the John Deere agricultural machinery company
“Think of it, magnets,” Trump said. “Now all I know about magnets is this, give me a glass of water, let me drop it on the magnets, that’s the end of the magnets. Why didn’t they use John Deere? Why didn’t they bring in the John Deere people? Do you like John Deere? I like John Deere.”
It’s all so fucking horrible.
kii said:
dv said:
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-ridiculed-bizarre-magnet-remarks-iowa-rally-1858420With primary season set to properly kick off in a matter of weeks, Trump has been spending a significant amount of time making appearances in Iowa, the state that traditionally hosts the first state-level race during presidential election years. On Friday, Trump held his latest Iowa rally in Mason City where he made strange comments about magnets while discussing magnetic elevators, which turned heads online, while also making frequent references to the John Deere agricultural machinery company
“Think of it, magnets,” Trump said. “Now all I know about magnets is this, give me a glass of water, let me drop it on the magnets, that’s the end of the magnets. Why didn’t they use John Deere? Why didn’t they bring in the John Deere people? Do you like John Deere? I like John Deere.”
It’s all so fucking horrible.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-ridiculed-bizarre-magnet-remarks-iowa-rally-1858420With primary season set to properly kick off in a matter of weeks, Trump has been spending a significant amount of time making appearances in Iowa, the state that traditionally hosts the first state-level race during presidential election years. On Friday, Trump held his latest Iowa rally in Mason City where he made strange comments about magnets while discussing magnetic elevators, which turned heads online, while also making frequent references to the John Deere agricultural machinery company
“Think of it, magnets,” Trump said. “Now all I know about magnets is this, give me a glass of water, let me drop it on the magnets, that’s the end of the magnets. Why didn’t they use John Deere? Why didn’t they bring in the John Deere people? Do you like John Deere? I like John Deere.”
Fk.
Yeah but I tell you what, I think Joe Biden is going senile, he stammered a couple of times in that last speech. He also said “We all know who Donald Trump is. The question we have to answer is: who are we?” Dude doesn’t even know who he is.
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-ridiculed-bizarre-magnet-remarks-iowa-rally-1858420With primary season set to properly kick off in a matter of weeks, Trump has been spending a significant amount of time making appearances in Iowa, the state that traditionally hosts the first state-level race during presidential election years. On Friday, Trump held his latest Iowa rally in Mason City where he made strange comments about magnets while discussing magnetic elevators, which turned heads online, while also making frequent references to the John Deere agricultural machinery company
“Think of it, magnets,” Trump said. “Now all I know about magnets is this, give me a glass of water, let me drop it on the magnets, that’s the end of the magnets. Why didn’t they use John Deere? Why didn’t they bring in the John Deere people? Do you like John Deere? I like John Deere.”
Fk.
Yeah but I tell you what, I think Joe Biden is going senile, he stammered a couple of times in that last speech. He also said “We all know who Donald Trump is. The question we have to answer is: who are we?” Dude doesn’t even know who he is.
To alleviate my mental state regarding US politics I am binge rewatching Madam Secretary with short forays over to the news.
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-ridiculed-bizarre-magnet-remarks-iowa-rally-1858420With primary season set to properly kick off in a matter of weeks, Trump has been spending a significant amount of time making appearances in Iowa, the state that traditionally hosts the first state-level race during presidential election years. On Friday, Trump held his latest Iowa rally in Mason City where he made strange comments about magnets while discussing magnetic elevators, which turned heads online, while also making frequent references to the John Deere agricultural machinery company
“Think of it, magnets,” Trump said. “Now all I know about magnets is this, give me a glass of water, let me drop it on the magnets, that’s the end of the magnets. Why didn’t they use John Deere? Why didn’t they bring in the John Deere people? Do you like John Deere? I like John Deere.”
Fk.
Yeah but I tell you what, I think Joe Biden is going senile, he stammered a couple of times in that last speech. He also said “We all know who Donald Trump is. The question we have to answer is: who are we?” Dude doesn’t even know who he is.
The sensible Democrats are playing it right, the crazy mouth frothing leftist are dragging them down.
FFS the clown should be an easy beat.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:Fk.
Yeah but I tell you what, I think Joe Biden is going senile, he stammered a couple of times in that last speech. He also said “We all know who Donald Trump is. The question we have to answer is: who are we?” Dude doesn’t even know who he is.
The sensible Democrats are playing it right, the crazy mouth frothing leftist are dragging them down.
FFS the clown should be an easy beat.
I dried the magnets, they work fine, I dropped them on John Deere and sadly he died.
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-ridiculed-bizarre-magnet-remarks-iowa-rally-1858420With primary season set to properly kick off in a matter of weeks, Trump has been spending a significant amount of time making appearances in Iowa, the state that traditionally hosts the first state-level race during presidential election years. On Friday, Trump held his latest Iowa rally in Mason City where he made strange comments about magnets while discussing magnetic elevators, which turned heads online, while also making frequent references to the John Deere agricultural machinery company
“Think of it, magnets,” Trump said. “Now all I know about magnets is this, give me a glass of water, let me drop it on the magnets, that’s the end of the magnets. Why didn’t they use John Deere? Why didn’t they bring in the John Deere people? Do you like John Deere? I like John Deere.”
Fk.
Yeah but I tell you what, I think Joe Biden is going senile, he stammered a couple of times in that last speech. He also said “We all know who Donald Trump is. The question we have to answer is: who are we?” Dude doesn’t even know who he is.
:)
roughbarked said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:Fk.
Yeah but I tell you what, I think Joe Biden is going senile, he stammered a couple of times in that last speech. He also said “We all know who Donald Trump is. The question we have to answer is: who are we?” Dude doesn’t even know who he is.
:)
Billy Connolly told of an argument in a shipyard between a manager and a welder.
The manager got so exasperated, that he prodded the welder in the chest said ‘do you know who i am?!’.
The welder called to his mates, ‘‘Ey, this bloke’s so pissed, he dis’nae know who he is!’.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:Yeah but I tell you what, I think Joe Biden is going senile, he stammered a couple of times in that last speech. He also said “We all know who Donald Trump is. The question we have to answer is: who are we?” Dude doesn’t even know who he is.
:)
Billy Connolly told of an argument in a shipyard between a manager and a welder.
The manager got so exasperated, that he prodded the welder in the chest said ‘do you know who i am?!’.
The welder called to his mates, ‘‘Ey, this bloke’s so pissed, he dis’nae know who he is!’.
How is the old boy’s health these days?
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said::)
Billy Connolly told of an argument in a shipyard between a manager and a welder.
The manager got so exasperated, that he prodded the welder in the chest said ‘do you know who i am?!’.
The welder called to his mates, ‘‘Ey, this bloke’s so pissed, he dis’nae know who he is!’.
How is the old boy’s health these days?
https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/billy-connolly-reveals-he-suffered-serious-falls-as-health-deteriorates-amid-parkinsons-battle/news-story/454f1be95592197472439ca8c77a26e7
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:Billy Connolly told of an argument in a shipyard between a manager and a welder.
The manager got so exasperated, that he prodded the welder in the chest said ‘do you know who i am?!’.
The welder called to his mates, ‘‘Ey, this bloke’s so pissed, he dis’nae know who he is!’.
How is the old boy’s health these days?
https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/billy-connolly-reveals-he-suffered-serious-falls-as-health-deteriorates-amid-parkinsons-battle/news-story/454f1be95592197472439ca8c77a26e7
Poor bugger/
Saw a joke on some forgotten TV show where a man was about to die of an instant heart attack due to some poisin. The murderer said, “there is a bright side or silver lining” The afflicted lboke asked, “what?”
The reply was, “at least you’ll miss out on Alzheimers”.
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said::)
Billy Connolly told of an argument in a shipyard between a manager and a welder.
The manager got so exasperated, that he prodded the welder in the chest said ‘do you know who i am?!’.
The welder called to his mates, ‘‘Ey, this bloke’s so pissed, he dis’nae know who he is!’.
How is the old boy’s health these days?
He’s doing some good art work…painting.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:Billy Connolly told of an argument in a shipyard between a manager and a welder.
The manager got so exasperated, that he prodded the welder in the chest said ‘do you know who i am?!’.
The welder called to his mates, ‘‘Ey, this bloke’s so pissed, he dis’nae know who he is!’.
How is the old boy’s health these days?
https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/billy-connolly-reveals-he-suffered-serious-falls-as-health-deteriorates-amid-parkinsons-battle/news-story/454f1be95592197472439ca8c77a26e7
Not good.
sarahs mum said:
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:Billy Connolly told of an argument in a shipyard between a manager and a welder.
The manager got so exasperated, that he prodded the welder in the chest said ‘do you know who i am?!’.
The welder called to his mates, ‘‘Ey, this bloke’s so pissed, he dis’nae know who he is!’.
How is the old boy’s health these days?
He’s doing some good art work…painting.
That’s cool.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:Fk.
Yeah but I tell you what, I think Joe Biden is going senile, he stammered a couple of times in that last speech. He also said “We all know who Donald Trump is. The question we have to answer is: who are we?” Dude doesn’t even know who he is.
The sensible Democrats are playing it right, the crazy mouth frothing leftist are dragging them down.
FFS the clown should be an easy beat.
The far left of the Democrats are basically where Malcolm Turnbull is, politically. Universal healthcare and subsidised tertiary education are considered way beyond the pale by the DNC.
dv said:
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-ridiculed-bizarre-magnet-remarks-iowa-rally-1858420With primary season set to properly kick off in a matter of weeks, Trump has been spending a significant amount of time making appearances in Iowa, the state that traditionally hosts the first state-level race during presidential election years. On Friday, Trump held his latest Iowa rally in Mason City where he made strange comments about magnets while discussing magnetic elevators, which turned heads online, while also making frequent references to the John Deere agricultural machinery company
“Think of it, magnets,” Trump said. “Now all I know about magnets is this, give me a glass of water, let me drop it on the magnets, that’s the end of the magnets. Why didn’t they use John Deere? Why didn’t they bring in the John Deere people? Do you like John Deere? I like John Deere.”
If they bought in John Deere he would need a bit of a clean up after being in his coffin for 138 years.
If they were as lenient towards Trumps crimes to other people, the prisons would be nearly empty.
A Florida school district removes dictionaries from school libraries.
One of the well-known and accepted behaviours by teens in the Barnes & Noble stacks was kids reading up on sex-ed stuff. Okay, some boys were giggling about books featuring the Karma Sutra, and some girls were researching pregnancy stages.
Chris Christie has suspended his presidential campaign.
This is probably good news for Nikki Haley.
Liberal Redneck – Donald Trump Argues He Should Be Immune to All Consequences
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o3WSHN5lVQ
sarahs mum said:
Liberal Redneck – Donald Trump Argues He Should Be Immune to All Consequences
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o3WSHN5lVQ
Gawd he can talk.
Donald Trump won’t make his own closing argument in his New York civil business fraud trial after his lawyers objected to the judge’s insistence that the former president stick to “relevant” matters and “not deliver a campaign speech”.
ABC Link
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-11/trump-wont-give-closing-argument-at-civil-fraud-trial/103309880
He’s “special”…..
Haven’t we moved into the new year in the US yet?
roughbarked said:
Trump loses mind, posts 100 dictator videos to Truth Social
If Trump gets too close to the Oval Office surely one of those brave patriots is going to shoot him dead.
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-11/trump-wont-give-closing-argument-at-civil-fraud-trial/103309880He’s “special”…..
Haven’t we moved into the new year in the US yet?
I have nfi what’s happening in this country.
Ian said:
roughbarked said:
Trump loses mind, posts 100 dictator videos to Truth Social
If Trump gets too close to the Oval Office surely one of those brave patriots is going to shoot him dead.
He thinks he’s immune to everything.
kii said:
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-11/trump-wont-give-closing-argument-at-civil-fraud-trial/103309880He’s “special”…..
Haven’t we moved into the new year in the US yet?
I have nfi what’s happening in this country.
Hopefully America is better than Trump and his dumbarsed followers.
roughbarked said:
sarahs mum said:
Liberal Redneck – Donald Trump Argues He Should Be Immune to All Consequences
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o3WSHN5lVQ
Gawd he can talk.
I love him.
kii said:
roughbarked said:
sarahs mum said:
Liberal Redneck – Donald Trump Argues He Should Be Immune to All Consequences
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o3WSHN5lVQ
Gawd he can talk.
I love him.
yeah I thought he was likeable.
kii said:
roughbarked said:
sarahs mum said:
Liberal Redneck – Donald Trump Argues He Should Be Immune to All Consequences
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o3WSHN5lVQ
Gawd he can talk.
I love him.
yep, him and beau. must be so frustrating for them seeing what is happening.
JudgeMental said:
kii said:
roughbarked said:Gawd he can talk.
I love him.
yep, him and beau. must be so frustrating for them seeing what is happening.
and for their many followers.
roughbarked said:
Donald Trump won’t make his own closing argument in his New York civil business fraud trial after his lawyers objected to the judge’s insistence that the former president stick to “relevant” matters and “not deliver a campaign speech”.
ABC Link
Is poor Donald being picked on even though all of them would reign in such behaviour if they are professional
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:
Donald Trump won’t make his own closing argument in his New York civil business fraud trial after his lawyers objected to the judge’s insistence that the former president stick to “relevant” matters and “not deliver a campaign speech”.
ABC Link
Is poor Donald being picked on even though all of them would reign in such behaviour if they are professional
wookiemeister said:
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:
Donald Trump won’t make his own closing argument in his New York civil business fraud trial after his lawyers objected to the judge’s insistence that the former president stick to “relevant” matters and “not deliver a campaign speech”.
ABC Link
Is poor Donald being picked on even though all of them would reign in such behaviour if they are professional
I’d like to see the US government apparatus arrestvand jail him , they can kill him in a maximum security prison then claim he killed himself by hanging himself.
Like they did with Epstein you mean?
wookiemeister said:
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:
Donald Trump won’t make his own closing argument in his New York civil business fraud trial after his lawyers objected to the judge’s insistence that the former president stick to “relevant” matters and “not deliver a campaign speech”.
ABC Link
Is poor Donald being picked on even though all of them would reign in such behaviour if they are professional
I’d like to see the US government apparatus arrestvand jail him , they can kill him in a maximum security prison then claim he killed himself by hanging himself.
People seem afraid to do their jobs in regards to his trial
OK some apprehension as it he becomes president he’s out for blood but he gets given exceptions to rules when he should be told to shut the fuck up and behave.
People in our courts at least can be given time in detention if they act up
JudgeMental said:
kii said:
roughbarked said:Gawd he can talk.
I love him.
yep, him and beau. must be so frustrating for them seeing what is happening.
roughbarked said:
kii said:
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-11/trump-wont-give-closing-argument-at-civil-fraud-trial/103309880He’s “special”…..
Haven’t we moved into the new year in the US yet?
I have nfi what’s happening in this country.
Hopefully America is better than Trump and his dumbarsed followers.
roughbarked said:
wookiemeister said:
Cymek said:Is poor Donald being picked on even though all of them would reign in such behaviour if they are professional
I’d like to see the US government apparatus arrestvand jail him , they can kill him in a maximum security prison then claim he killed himself by hanging himself.
Like they did with Epstein you mean?
That’s quite believable I think, names have come out but what horrible memories would be in Epstein’s mind that incriminate people far worse.
roughbarked said:
wookiemeister said:
Cymek said:Is poor Donald being picked on even though all of them would reign in such behaviour if they are professional
I’d like to see the US government apparatus arrestvand jail him , they can kill him in a maximum security prison then claim he killed himself by hanging himself.
Like they did with Epstein you mean?
Cymek said:
wookiemeister said:
Cymek said:Is poor Donald being picked on even though all of them would reign in such behaviour if they are professional
I’d like to see the US government apparatus arrestvand jail him , they can kill him in a maximum security prison then claim he killed himself by hanging himself.
People seem afraid to do their jobs in regards to his trial
OK some apprehension as it he becomes president he’s out for blood but he gets given exceptions to rules when he should be told to shut the fuck up and behave.
People in our courts at least can be given time in detention if they act up
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:
wookiemeister said:I’d like to see the US government apparatus arrestvand jail him , they can kill him in a maximum security prison then claim he killed himself by hanging himself.
Like they did with Epstein you mean?
That’s quite believable I think, names have come out but what horrible memories would be in Epstein’s mind that incriminate people far worse.
Cymek said:
wookiemeister said:
Cymek said:Is poor Donald being picked on even though all of them would reign in such behaviour if they are professional
I’d like to see the US government apparatus arrestvand jail him , they can kill him in a maximum security prison then claim he killed himself by hanging himself.
People seem afraid to do their jobs in regards to his trial
OK some apprehension as it he becomes president he’s out for blood but he gets given exceptions to rules when he should be told to shut the fuck up and behave.
People in our courts at least can be given time in detention if they act up
Yep. There’s only one problem it appparently is still legal to call him president Trump.
The Foodie Blog
Three Squeaks
three-squeaks
(unfortunately, this is the closest I could find to an image of this dish… but this is fairly accurate from what I understand)
“Three Squeaks” is the literal translation from the Chinese name of this dish and hails from a variety parts of China, mainly in the Guangdong (Canton) Provence. The reason why it is called “Three Squeaks” is due to the sounds made when eating this dish. Contrary to some popular belief, this is not an urban legend dish.
The appetizeresque dish are newly born mice (still hairless and barely able to open their eyes). It is typically served with some type of cold soy based sauce. The first squeak is when the mouse/rat is picked up with the chopsticks. The second is when the mouse/rat is dipped into the sauce (temperature change causing the squeak). The third is when the mouse/rat is placed into your mouth (another temperature change).
Typically, they are very newborn and thus the bone structure is still fairly loose. I’ve heard that these have been served wrapped in seaweed before, but that may be more rumored than anything else.
wookiemeister said:
roughbarked said:
kii said:I have nfi what’s happening in this country.
Hopefully America is better than Trump and his dumbarsed followers.
Remember when the Biden administration dumped 80 – 90 billion dollars of military equipment as the US marched out overnight night abandoning allies. The military dogs they had trained were dumped on the streets ?
America has always had this policy when leaviing a war. Has nothing to do with Biden. It would also have happened under Trump.
kii said:
JudgeMental said:
kii said:I love him.
yep, him and beau. must be so frustrating for them seeing what is happening.
I haven’t kept up with both of them. There’s just so much happening in this country and so many commentators, with excellent stuff. Plus all my personal shit. It’s exhausting.
i also rate Beau’s vids on how stoned he is and how well he always keeps it together.
sarahs mum said:
kii said:
JudgeMental said:yep, him and beau. must be so frustrating for them seeing what is happening.
I haven’t kept up with both of them. There’s just so much happening in this country and so many commentators, with excellent stuff. Plus all my personal shit. It’s exhausting.i also rate Beau’s vids on how stoned he is and how well he always keeps it together.
You reckon he’s a stoner?
sarahs mum said:
kii said:
JudgeMental said:yep, him and beau. must be so frustrating for them seeing what is happening.
I haven’t kept up with both of them. There’s just so much happening in this country and so many commentators, with excellent stuff. Plus all my personal shit. It’s exhausting.i also rate Beau’s vids on how stoned he is and how well he always keeps it together.
Hah! I’ve never thought that he was stoned.
roughbarked said:
sarahs mum said:
kii said:I haven’t kept up with both of them. There’s just so much happening in this country and so many commentators, with excellent stuff. Plus all my personal shit. It’s exhausting.
i also rate Beau’s vids on how stoned he is and how well he always keeps it together.
You reckon he’s a stoner?
The majority of the country is self-medicating with cannabis.
kii said:
roughbarked said:
sarahs mum said:i also rate Beau’s vids on how stoned he is and how well he always keeps it together.
You reckon he’s a stoner?
The majority of the country is self-medicating with cannabis.
Fair enough. Biden even let them out of the clink.
roughbarked said:
sarahs mum said:
kii said:I haven’t kept up with both of them. There’s just so much happening in this country and so many commentators, with excellent stuff. Plus all my personal shit. It’s exhausting.
i also rate Beau’s vids on how stoned he is and how well he always keeps it together.
You reckon he’s a stoner?
oh yes. He’s often straight. And then there are varying degrees.
sarahs mum said:
roughbarked said:
sarahs mum said:i also rate Beau’s vids on how stoned he is and how well he always keeps it together.
You reckon he’s a stoner?
oh yes. He’s often straight. And then there are varying degrees.
:) could you tell that about any of uus here?
kii said:
roughbarked said:
sarahs mum said:i also rate Beau’s vids on how stoned he is and how well he always keeps it together.
You reckon he’s a stoner?
The majority of the country is self-medicating with cannabis.
Yeah man, it’s why it’s fucked,
Hey man did you do the bolts up on the door…….he he snigger…….
roughbarked said:
sarahs mum said:
roughbarked said:You reckon he’s a stoner?
oh yes. He’s often straight. And then there are varying degrees.
:) could you tell that about any of uus here?
I don’t think about as much without the body language. also, most of the habits in this forum are self declared.
sarahs mum said:
roughbarked said:
sarahs mum said:oh yes. He’s often straight. And then there are varying degrees.
:) could you tell that about any of uus here?
I don’t think about as much without the body language. also, most of the habits in this forum are self declared.
:)
Peak Warming Man said:
kii said:
roughbarked said:You reckon he’s a stoner?
The majority of the country is self-medicating with cannabis.
Yeah man, it’s why it’s fucked,
Hey man did you do the bolts up on the door…….he he snigger…….
no. he’s very high functioning. push come to shove that is a man I might depend on whatever was going down.
sarahs mum said:
Peak Warming Man said:
kii said:The majority of the country is self-medicating with cannabis.
Yeah man, it’s why it’s fucked,
Hey man did you do the bolts up on the door…….he he snigger…….
no. he’s very high functioning. push come to shove that is a man I might depend on whatever was going down.
He strikes me as someone who, if he says he’ll back you up, he’ll do it because he said he would.
sarahs mum said:
Peak Warming Man said:
kii said:The majority of the country is self-medicating with cannabis.
Yeah man, it’s why it’s fucked,
Hey man did you do the bolts up on the door…….he he snigger…….
no. he’s very high functioning. push come to shove that is a man I might depend on whatever was going down.
Yes. A lot of people have a misdirected sense of how regular cannabis users can function.
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:
Peak Warming Man said:Yeah man, it’s why it’s fucked,
Hey man did you do the bolts up on the door…….he he snigger…….
no. he’s very high functioning. push come to shove that is a man I might depend on whatever was going down.
He strikes me as someone who, if he says he’ll back you up, he’ll do it because he said he would.
A man of his word then?
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:no. he’s very high functioning. push come to shove that is a man I might depend on whatever was going down.
He strikes me as someone who, if he says he’ll back you up, he’ll do it because he said he would.
A man of his word then?
Precisely that.
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:no. he’s very high functioning. push come to shove that is a man I might depend on whatever was going down.
He strikes me as someone who, if he says he’ll back you up, he’ll do it because he said he would.
A man of his word then?
I knew a fellow whose brother and some friends were post military CIA . they used to play a game called ‘think quickly’ John would always lose.
I reckon Beau would be the type that would win most of the time .
Peak Warming Man said:
kii said:
roughbarked said:You reckon he’s a stoner?
The majority of the country is self-medicating with cannabis.
Yeah man, it’s why it’s fucked,
Hey man did you do the bolts up on the door…….he he snigger…….
Pretty sure drug tests are part of that job.
kii said:
Peak Warming Man said:
kii said:The majority of the country is self-medicating with cannabis.
Yeah man, it’s why it’s fucked,
Hey man did you do the bolts up on the door…….he he snigger…….
Pretty sure drug tests are part of that job.
All jobs these days.
sarahs mum said:
Peak Warming Man said:
kii said:The majority of the country is self-medicating with cannabis.
Yeah man, it’s why it’s fucked,
Hey man did you do the bolts up on the door…….he he snigger…….
no. he’s very high functioning. push come to shove that is a man I might depend on whatever was going down.
Same here. I watched one video where he talked about staying safe and preparing for civic war. Pretty sure that was the topic. It’s late here and I await the impact of gummy sleepies.
kii said:
sarahs mum said:
Peak Warming Man said:Yeah man, it’s why it’s fucked,
Hey man did you do the bolts up on the door…….he he snigger…….
no. he’s very high functioning. push come to shove that is a man I might depend on whatever was going down.
Same here. I watched one video where he talked about staying safe and preparing for civic war. Pretty sure that was the topic. It’s late here and I await the impact of gummy sleepies.
Which reminds me, I have to get a prescription.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:He strikes me as someone who, if he says he’ll back you up, he’ll do it because he said he would.
A man of his word then?
Precisely that.
Military. mr kii was like that.
Trump makes closing argument on final day of New York fraud trial, disregarding judge’s restrictions
Former President Donald Trump disregarded restrictions imposed by the judge overseeing his civil fraud trial in New York and addressed the court during closing arguments on Thursday, raging against the state’s attorney general and the judge himself for several minutes on the final day of proceedings.
One day before, Judge Arthur Engoron told Trump’s attorneys that he would only be allowed to speak if he limited his comments to “relevant, material facts that are in evidence, and application of the relevant law to those facts.” His legal team did not agree to the conditions.
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/trump-attends-closing-arguments-new-york-fraud-trial/
Even for someone who isn’t an inarticulate loony, it is not a great idea for a client to deliver part of the closing argument. This interface a jury trial, there’s just a judge… and he used part of this time to criticise the judge.
“I think it’s paradoxical to say that his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed allows him to violate criminal law,” said Judge Karen LeCraft Henderson, an appointee of former President George H.W. Bush.
https://apnews.com/article/trump-jan-6-special-counsel-immunity-appeal-64eec975e6a602949eb4b90315239318
A three Judge panel is assessing Trump’s appeal, which is based on the nation that the President is immune to criminal prosecution for acts committed while President unless he is convicted in the Senate.
dv said:
Trump makes closing argument on final day of New York fraud trial, disregarding judge’s restrictionsFormer President Donald Trump disregarded restrictions imposed by the judge overseeing his civil fraud trial in New York and addressed the court during closing arguments on Thursday, raging against the state’s attorney general and the judge himself for several minutes on the final day of proceedings.
One day before, Judge Arthur Engoron told Trump’s attorneys that he would only be allowed to speak if he limited his comments to “relevant, material facts that are in evidence, and application of the relevant law to those facts.” His legal team did not agree to the conditions.
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/trump-attends-closing-arguments-new-york-fraud-trial/
Even for someone who isn’t an inarticulate loony, it is not a great idea for a client to deliver part of the closing argument. This interface a jury trial, there’s just a judge… and he used part of this time to criticise the judge.
Oh dear. He was warned he would be fined for that.
And the latest developments make me even more determined to remember to watch Planet America tonight.
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