Date: 26/01/2023 17:51:31
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1986704
Subject: Australian urban birds

Just finished reading book “Curlews on Vulture Street”

Can thoroughly recommended it.

It’s a biography as well as a series of scientific studies involving Darryl Jones from Griffith University urban ecology, in Brisbane and elsewhere.

He seems to have made a career in demolishing myths asociated with urban ecology.

There are about a dozen myths in he book that have been demolished with strict scientific rigor.

The overall outlook is positive, more native birds are entering urban areas and taking up residence there. And overall birds per hectare is higher in urban areas than in the surrounding countryside.

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Date: 26/01/2023 17:58:47
From: dv
ID: 1986708
Subject: re: Australian urban birds

mollwollfumble said:


Just finished reading book “Curlews on Vulture Street”

Can thoroughly recommended it.

It’s a biography as well as a series of scientific studies involving Darryl Jones from Griffith University urban ecology, in Brisbane and elsewhere.

He seems to have made a career in demolishing myths asociated with urban ecology.

There are about a dozen myths in he book that have been demolished with strict scientific rigor.

The overall outlook is positive, more native birds are entering urban areas and taking up residence there. And overall birds per hectare is higher in urban areas than in the surrounding countryside.

What myth does this demolish?

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Date: 27/01/2023 03:16:04
From: roughbarked
ID: 1986873
Subject: re: Australian urban birds

mollwollfumble said:


Just finished reading book “Curlews on Vulture Street”

Can thoroughly recommended it.

It’s a biography as well as a series of scientific studies involving Darryl Jones from Griffith University urban ecology, in Brisbane and elsewhere.

He seems to have made a career in demolishing myths asociated with urban ecology.

There are about a dozen myths in he book that have been demolished with strict scientific rigor.

The overall outlook is positive, more native birds are entering urban areas and taking up residence there. And overall birds per hectare is higher in urban areas than in the surrounding countryside.

More applicants for the role of bin chickens.
Ultimately it is the portent for the demise of natural selection.

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Date: 27/01/2023 09:36:47
From: ms spock
ID: 1986896
Subject: re: Australian urban birds

But BirdLife Australia data shows that Australian magpies declined by 31 per cent in the East Coast region — including Sydney and Brisbane — between 1998 and 2013.

“They declined by roughly 20 per cent in the South East Mainland Region, which includes Melbourne, Canberra and Adelaide ,” Mr Dooley said.

The data also reflected a dramatic decline in kookaburras and birds of prey, suggesting carnivores were potentially more vulnerable to these unknown environmental changes.

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Date: 27/01/2023 09:38:17
From: ms spock
ID: 1986897
Subject: re: Australian urban birds

“The story of decline is not limited to only threatened species, with more common birds, such as willie wagtails, brolgas, boobook owls, and even magpies, now disappearing from many places where they were once common,” she says.

https://www.futurity.org/australia-birds-endangered-species-2693062-2/

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Date: 27/01/2023 09:40:03
From: ms spock
ID: 1986898
Subject: re: Australian urban birds

Recovery actions

BirdLife Australia will champion species conservation and a long-term future for all Australian native birds and act as the national authority on bird conservation. We will prevent human-driven extinction of threatened birds, improve their conservation status and halt overall bird species population declines.

Recovery actions

BirdLife Australia will champion species conservation and a long-term future for all Australian native birds and act as the national authority on bird conservation. We will prevent human-driven extinction of threatened birds, improve their conservation status and halt overall bird species population declines.

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Date: 27/01/2023 16:12:33
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1987138
Subject: re: Australian urban birds

mollwollfumble said:


Just finished reading book “Curlews on Vulture Street”

Can thoroughly recommended it.

It’s a biography as well as a series of scientific studies involving Darryl Jones from Griffith University urban ecology, in Brisbane and elsewhere.

He seems to have made a career in demolishing myths asociated with urban ecology.

There are about a dozen myths in he book that have been demolished with strict scientific rigor.

The overall outlook is positive, more native birds are entering urban areas and taking up residence there. And overall birds per hectare is higher in urban areas than in the surrounding countryside.

> What myth does this demolish?

> More applicants for the role of bin chickens.

I’ll get back to you on both of these.

In the debate about whether to feed or not feed wild birds, two of the key points of argument (by both sides) have been demolished by hard scientific observation.

1. Wild birds do not become dependent on human handouts.
2. Nutrition of wild birds does not suffer because of human handouts.

These have been scientifically confirmed for both magpies and bin chickens.

As for birds entering and staying in urban areas. The following species have moved into the city of Wagga Wagga, near Lake Albert, since the blackbird moved in about 50 to 60 years ago:
rainbow lorikeet, superb parrot, red-rumped parrot, the yellow version of the crimson rosella, white-winged chough, koel, blue-faced honeyeater, spotted dove, speckled warbler. And more. Only the apostlebird seems to have moved out.

Another myth busted. “Nothing in ecology plots as a straight line”. It turns out that ‘number of birds per hectare’ vs ‘age of street’ plots as a straight line increasing out 40 years old. Number of birds increases linearly with age of gardens. Confirmed scientifically for both Wagga Wagga and Townsville – vastly different environments.

The belief that brush turkeys were monogamous was an old myth that the author busted in his youth. The sex lives of brush turkeys are like those of bower-birds – wide ranging females and territorial males. In the Tambourine mountain area – one male accounted for 50% of the eggs, a second male 30% and half the males had no eggs at all.

Bin chickens proved an interesting study. The bin chickens of inner city Brisbane are a completely different population from the rest, never leaving the inner city. The outer suburban garbage dump feeders can travel as far as Rockhampton. Neither population is found among the ibises at the airport. That said, the diet of inner city bin chickens is identical to that of suburban ones, with a human-component origin of the diet being only 20% or less.

In interactions between bin chickens and humans, humans always approach the bin chickens, never the other way around, and the dominant human – bin chicken interaction is, wait for it, selfies.

The most troublesome birds in Brisbane so far as humans are concerned are the crows and rainbow lorikeets (noise) and magpies (attacks).

Female magpies never attack. Of male magpies, 90% never attack. Of those that do attack, there are two separate types – those that attack all cyclists, and those that attack a specific one or at most two pedestrians. With a very small population that attack everybody. Those male magpies that do attack everybody can be exceedingly vicious.

Magpies are capable of over-reaction to threat, and can recognise the same human face seen six years apart. To relocate magpies, use a trap baited with another male magpie, the offensive bird will enter the trap to threaten the intruder. Magpies relocated 20 km away can return but those relocated 30 km away cannot. When a male it relocated, another male will take of the territory. A myth was that the new male would lead to the death of nestlings, this was busted when it was found that stepfathers are more attentive to nestlings and feed them more than their biological father had.

Rainbow lorikeets. A couple of things about these birds came as a complete surprise to me. The first is that they adore night-lights. They roost overnight in tree canopies that are as brightly lit as possible. In one such roost in Brisbane, lit by bright stadium lights each night, 38,500 sleeping rainbow lorikeets were counted. They don’t mind noise or congestion while sleeping, just so long as the lights are bright. mollwollfumble thinks this may explain why their numbers have boomed in cities.

Another rainbow lorikeet myth busted was that they are just nectar feeders. Reports started coming in of rainbow lorikeets eating meat. First from SE Queensland, then over the whole of eastern NSW. They have been observed eating a dead cow for example, this is probably a pre-existing behaviour rather than a new food preference.

Torresian crows. In Brisbane they always choose the same eucalypt species to roost in. Very particular. But also very noisy for adjacent residents. The crows shift around, often sleeping in different trees each night. Due to the noise, a method was used to scare them off using a weather balloon tethered beside the tree at night.

Crows are smart. Much more aware of danger than magpies and butcher birds. If you catch one, you will never catch that same crow again, and you’re unlikely to catch any other crow at the same location.

So much more in the book, about brush turkeys moving into suburban Brisbane and surviving despite higher than normal losses and protests by gardeners.

About bush-stone curlews in Brisbane city centre and on a Moreton Bay Island. The chief enemy of the curlew is the fox, which is why curlews have largely vacated Southern Australia and increased in numbers in Northern Australia. But they also survive in cities. A pair of adult curlews can see off a fox.

About the white cockatoos, don’t feed them if you value the woodwork of your house. If you stop feeding them then they’ll leave the house alone.

About new behaviour of crows. Building nests on building ledges next to windows rather than well away from people in the tops of trees. New behaviour of bin chickens. Etc.

The author, Darryl Jones has also written the book “Feeding the Birds at Your Table: A guide for Australia”.

Darryl Jones is not in favour of feeding wild birds, but sees it as an inevitable consequence of human nature. People feed birds as a way to contribute to nature to counteract the bad things that people have done in the past.

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Date: 27/01/2023 16:16:01
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1987142
Subject: re: Australian urban birds

mollwollfumble said:


mollwollfumble said:

Just finished reading book “Curlews on Vulture Street”

Can thoroughly recommended it.

It’s a biography as well as a series of scientific studies involving Darryl Jones from Griffith University urban ecology, in Brisbane and elsewhere.

He seems to have made a career in demolishing myths asociated with urban ecology.

There are about a dozen myths in he book that have been demolished with strict scientific rigor.

The overall outlook is positive, more native birds are entering urban areas and taking up residence there. And overall birds per hectare is higher in urban areas than in the surrounding countryside.

> What myth does this demolish?

> More applicants for the role of bin chickens.

I’ll get back to you on both of these.

In the debate about whether to feed or not feed wild birds, two of the key points of argument (by both sides) have been demolished by hard scientific observation.

1. Wild birds do not become dependent on human handouts.
2. Nutrition of wild birds does not suffer because of human handouts.

These have been scientifically confirmed for both magpies and bin chickens.

As for birds entering and staying in urban areas. The following species have moved into the city of Wagga Wagga, near Lake Albert, since the blackbird moved in about 50 to 60 years ago:
rainbow lorikeet, superb parrot, red-rumped parrot, the yellow version of the crimson rosella, white-winged chough, koel, blue-faced honeyeater, spotted dove, speckled warbler. And more. Only the apostlebird seems to have moved out.

Another myth busted. “Nothing in ecology plots as a straight line”. It turns out that ‘number of birds per hectare’ vs ‘age of street’ plots as a straight line increasing out 40 years old. Number of birds increases linearly with age of gardens. Confirmed scientifically for both Wagga Wagga and Townsville – vastly different environments.

The belief that brush turkeys were monogamous was an old myth that the author busted in his youth. The sex lives of brush turkeys are like those of bower-birds – wide ranging females and territorial males. In the Tambourine mountain area – one male accounted for 50% of the eggs, a second male 30% and half the males had no eggs at all.

Bin chickens proved an interesting study. The bin chickens of inner city Brisbane are a completely different population from the rest, never leaving the inner city. The outer suburban garbage dump feeders can travel as far as Rockhampton. Neither population is found among the ibises at the airport. That said, the diet of inner city bin chickens is identical to that of suburban ones, with a human-component origin of the diet being only 20% or less.

In interactions between bin chickens and humans, humans always approach the bin chickens, never the other way around, and the dominant human – bin chicken interaction is, wait for it, selfies.

The most troublesome birds in Brisbane so far as humans are concerned are the crows and rainbow lorikeets (noise) and magpies (attacks).

Female magpies never attack. Of male magpies, 90% never attack. Of those that do attack, there are two separate types – those that attack all cyclists, and those that attack a specific one or at most two pedestrians. With a very small population that attack everybody. Those male magpies that do attack everybody can be exceedingly vicious.

Magpies are capable of over-reaction to threat, and can recognise the same human face seen six years apart. To relocate magpies, use a trap baited with another male magpie, the offensive bird will enter the trap to threaten the intruder. Magpies relocated 20 km away can return but those relocated 30 km away cannot. When a male it relocated, another male will take of the territory. A myth was that the new male would lead to the death of nestlings, this was busted when it was found that stepfathers are more attentive to nestlings and feed them more than their biological father had.

Rainbow lorikeets. A couple of things about these birds came as a complete surprise to me. The first is that they adore night-lights. They roost overnight in tree canopies that are as brightly lit as possible. In one such roost in Brisbane, lit by bright stadium lights each night, 38,500 sleeping rainbow lorikeets were counted. They don’t mind noise or congestion while sleeping, just so long as the lights are bright. mollwollfumble thinks this may explain why their numbers have boomed in cities.

Another rainbow lorikeet myth busted was that they are just nectar feeders. Reports started coming in of rainbow lorikeets eating meat. First from SE Queensland, then over the whole of eastern NSW. They have been observed eating a dead cow for example, this is probably a pre-existing behaviour rather than a new food preference.

Torresian crows. In Brisbane they always choose the same eucalypt species to roost in. Very particular. But also very noisy for adjacent residents. The crows shift around, often sleeping in different trees each night. Due to the noise, a method was used to scare them off using a weather balloon tethered beside the tree at night.

Crows are smart. Much more aware of danger than magpies and butcher birds. If you catch one, you will never catch that same crow again, and you’re unlikely to catch any other crow at the same location.

So much more in the book, about brush turkeys moving into suburban Brisbane and surviving despite higher than normal losses and protests by gardeners.

About bush-stone curlews in Brisbane city centre and on a Moreton Bay Island. The chief enemy of the curlew is the fox, which is why curlews have largely vacated Southern Australia and increased in numbers in Northern Australia. But they also survive in cities. A pair of adult curlews can see off a fox.

About the white cockatoos, don’t feed them if you value the woodwork of your house. If you stop feeding them then they’ll leave the house alone.

About new behaviour of crows. Building nests on building ledges next to windows rather than well away from people in the tops of trees. New behaviour of bin chickens. Etc.

The author, Darryl Jones has also written the book “Feeding the Birds at Your Table: A guide for Australia”.

Darryl Jones is not in favour of feeding wild birds, but sees it as an inevitable consequence of human nature. People feed birds as a way to contribute to nature to counteract the bad things that people have done in the past.

We have white cockatoos here, they dig holes in the lawn looking for grubs.

The holes are around 4cm deep.

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Date: 27/01/2023 16:19:29
From: roughbarked
ID: 1987146
Subject: re: Australian urban birds

mollwollfumble said:


mollwollfumble said:

Just finished reading book “Curlews on Vulture Street”

Can thoroughly recommended it.

It’s a biography as well as a series of scientific studies involving Darryl Jones from Griffith University urban ecology, in Brisbane and elsewhere.

He seems to have made a career in demolishing myths asociated with urban ecology.

There are about a dozen myths in he book that have been demolished with strict scientific rigor.

The overall outlook is positive, more native birds are entering urban areas and taking up residence there. And overall birds per hectare is higher in urban areas than in the surrounding countryside.

> What myth does this demolish?

> More applicants for the role of bin chickens.

I’ll get back to you on both of these.

In the debate about whether to feed or not feed wild birds, two of the key points of argument (by both sides) have been demolished by hard scientific observation.

1. Wild birds do not become dependent on human handouts.
2. Nutrition of wild birds does not suffer because of human handouts.

These have been scientifically confirmed for both magpies and bin chickens.

As for birds entering and staying in urban areas. The following species have moved into the city of Wagga Wagga, near Lake Albert, since the blackbird moved in about 50 to 60 years ago:
rainbow lorikeet, superb parrot, red-rumped parrot, the yellow version of the crimson rosella, white-winged chough, koel, blue-faced honeyeater, spotted dove, speckled warbler. And more. Only the apostlebird seems to have moved out.

Another myth busted. “Nothing in ecology plots as a straight line”. It turns out that ‘number of birds per hectare’ vs ‘age of street’ plots as a straight line increasing out 40 years old. Number of birds increases linearly with age of gardens. Confirmed scientifically for both Wagga Wagga and Townsville – vastly different environments.

The belief that brush turkeys were monogamous was an old myth that the author busted in his youth. The sex lives of brush turkeys are like those of bower-birds – wide ranging females and territorial males. In the Tambourine mountain area – one male accounted for 50% of the eggs, a second male 30% and half the males had no eggs at all.

Bin chickens proved an interesting study. The bin chickens of inner city Brisbane are a completely different population from the rest, never leaving the inner city. The outer suburban garbage dump feeders can travel as far as Rockhampton. Neither population is found among the ibises at the airport. That said, the diet of inner city bin chickens is identical to that of suburban ones, with a human-component origin of the diet being only 20% or less.

In interactions between bin chickens and humans, humans always approach the bin chickens, never the other way around, and the dominant human – bin chicken interaction is, wait for it, selfies.

The most troublesome birds in Brisbane so far as humans are concerned are the crows and rainbow lorikeets (noise) and magpies (attacks).

Female magpies never attack. Of male magpies, 90% never attack. Of those that do attack, there are two separate types – those that attack all cyclists, and those that attack a specific one or at most two pedestrians. With a very small population that attack everybody. Those male magpies that do attack everybody can be exceedingly vicious.

Magpies are capable of over-reaction to threat, and can recognise the same human face seen six years apart. To relocate magpies, use a trap baited with another male magpie, the offensive bird will enter the trap to threaten the intruder. Magpies relocated 20 km away can return but those relocated 30 km away cannot. When a male it relocated, another male will take of the territory. A myth was that the new male would lead to the death of nestlings, this was busted when it was found that stepfathers are more attentive to nestlings and feed them more than their biological father had.

Rainbow lorikeets. A couple of things about these birds came as a complete surprise to me. The first is that they adore night-lights. They roost overnight in tree canopies that are as brightly lit as possible. In one such roost in Brisbane, lit by bright stadium lights each night, 38,500 sleeping rainbow lorikeets were counted. They don’t mind noise or congestion while sleeping, just so long as the lights are bright. mollwollfumble thinks this may explain why their numbers have boomed in cities.

Another rainbow lorikeet myth busted was that they are just nectar feeders. Reports started coming in of rainbow lorikeets eating meat. First from SE Queensland, then over the whole of eastern NSW. They have been observed eating a dead cow for example, this is probably a pre-existing behaviour rather than a new food preference.

Torresian crows. In Brisbane they always choose the same eucalypt species to roost in. Very particular. But also very noisy for adjacent residents. The crows shift around, often sleeping in different trees each night. Due to the noise, a method was used to scare them off using a weather balloon tethered beside the tree at night.

Crows are smart. Much more aware of danger than magpies and butcher birds. If you catch one, you will never catch that same crow again, and you’re unlikely to catch any other crow at the same location.

So much more in the book, about brush turkeys moving into suburban Brisbane and surviving despite higher than normal losses and protests by gardeners.

About bush-stone curlews in Brisbane city centre and on a Moreton Bay Island. The chief enemy of the curlew is the fox, which is why curlews have largely vacated Southern Australia and increased in numbers in Northern Australia. But they also survive in cities. A pair of adult curlews can see off a fox.

About the white cockatoos, don’t feed them if you value the woodwork of your house. If you stop feeding them then they’ll leave the house alone.

About new behaviour of crows. Building nests on building ledges next to windows rather than well away from people in the tops of trees. New behaviour of bin chickens. Etc.

The author, Darryl Jones has also written the book “Feeding the Birds at Your Table: A guide for Australia”.

Darryl Jones is not in favour of feeding wild birds, but sees it as an inevitable consequence of human nature. People feed birds as a way to contribute to nature to counteract the bad things that people have done in the past.

I think you will find that most hard science will inform that the opening statements.
These:
1. Wild birds do not become dependent on human handouts.
2. Nutrition of wild birds does not suffer because of human handouts.

> are rubbish.
Literally, habitats have been changed and species become invaders and others are lost due to the changes. That the handouts displace smaller birds with aggressive ones and that the foods they get cause the entire species to decline.
This is all well known. I don’t know why you want to spout the rubbish from one author for.

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Date: 27/01/2023 17:16:28
From: buffy
ID: 1987197
Subject: re: Australian urban birds

>>Another rainbow lorikeet myth busted was that they are just nectar feeders. Reports started coming in of rainbow lorikeets eating meat. First from SE Queensland, then over the whole of eastern NSW. They have been observed eating a dead cow for example, this is probably a pre-existing behaviour rather than a new food preference.<<

I didn’t know loris were supposed to be nectar feeders. The ones around here don’t know either. They sit in my apple tree, defiantly looking at me while holding an apple and taking bites out of it. They aren’t much afraid of me. They also eat apricots. I had an apricot tree at the Casterton house. One year the neighbour told me he looked at the tree, and it was loaded with ripe fruit. He thought to himself…I’ll nip down the street (10 minute job) and then I’ll go in and pick those. We had an agreement for him to do that because I wasn’t always there. He came back to a stripped tree and loris giggling at him.

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Date: 27/01/2023 17:20:23
From: roughbarked
ID: 1987201
Subject: re: Australian urban birds

buffy said:


>>Another rainbow lorikeet myth busted was that they are just nectar feeders. Reports started coming in of rainbow lorikeets eating meat. First from SE Queensland, then over the whole of eastern NSW. They have been observed eating a dead cow for example, this is probably a pre-existing behaviour rather than a new food preference.<<

I didn’t know loris were supposed to be nectar feeders. The ones around here don’t know either. They sit in my apple tree, defiantly looking at me while holding an apple and taking bites out of it. They aren’t much afraid of me. They also eat apricots. I had an apricot tree at the Casterton house. One year the neighbour told me he looked at the tree, and it was loaded with ripe fruit. He thought to himself…I’ll nip down the street (10 minute job) and then I’ll go in and pick those. We had an agreement for him to do that because I wasn’t always there. He came back to a stripped tree and loris giggling at him.

Yes. They are big fruit eaters and this sometimes leads to them getting drunk on fermented fruit.

I fail to see how eating cows was a pre-existing behaviour when there were none.

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Date: 27/01/2023 17:20:23
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1987202
Subject: re: Australian urban birds

>>They aren’t much afraid of me.

Good, good.
They will eventually get close enough one day.

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Date: 27/01/2023 17:22:36
From: roughbarked
ID: 1987203
Subject: re: Australian urban birds

roughbarked said:


buffy said:

>>Another rainbow lorikeet myth busted was that they are just nectar feeders. Reports started coming in of rainbow lorikeets eating meat. First from SE Queensland, then over the whole of eastern NSW. They have been observed eating a dead cow for example, this is probably a pre-existing behaviour rather than a new food preference.<<

I didn’t know loris were supposed to be nectar feeders. The ones around here don’t know either. They sit in my apple tree, defiantly looking at me while holding an apple and taking bites out of it. They aren’t much afraid of me. They also eat apricots. I had an apricot tree at the Casterton house. One year the neighbour told me he looked at the tree, and it was loaded with ripe fruit. He thought to himself…I’ll nip down the street (10 minute job) and then I’ll go in and pick those. We had an agreement for him to do that because I wasn’t always there. He came back to a stripped tree and loris giggling at him.

Yes. They are big fruit eaters and this sometimes leads to them getting drunk on fermented fruit.

I fail to see how eating cows was a pre-existing behaviour when there were none.

Tthe reports and images of lorikeets eating meat are actually of bird feeders that have meat on them.

All birds nectar eaters and pollen munchers alike, feed their young caterpillars and the like.

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Date: 27/01/2023 17:23:53
From: roughbarked
ID: 1987204
Subject: re: Australian urban birds

roughbarked said:


roughbarked said:

buffy said:

>>Another rainbow lorikeet myth busted was that they are just nectar feeders. Reports started coming in of rainbow lorikeets eating meat. First from SE Queensland, then over the whole of eastern NSW. They have been observed eating a dead cow for example, this is probably a pre-existing behaviour rather than a new food preference.<<

I didn’t know loris were supposed to be nectar feeders. The ones around here don’t know either. They sit in my apple tree, defiantly looking at me while holding an apple and taking bites out of it. They aren’t much afraid of me. They also eat apricots. I had an apricot tree at the Casterton house. One year the neighbour told me he looked at the tree, and it was loaded with ripe fruit. He thought to himself…I’ll nip down the street (10 minute job) and then I’ll go in and pick those. We had an agreement for him to do that because I wasn’t always there. He came back to a stripped tree and loris giggling at him.

Yes. They are big fruit eaters and this sometimes leads to them getting drunk on fermented fruit.

I fail to see how eating cows was a pre-existing behaviour when there were none.

Tthe reports and images of lorikeets eating meat are actually of bird feeders that have meat on them.

All birds nectar eaters and pollen munchers alike, feed their young caterpillars and the like.

Butcherbirds love persimmons and the other dried bits of fruit leather that the fruit eaters leave on the tree.

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Date: 27/01/2023 17:25:35
From: buffy
ID: 1987205
Subject: re: Australian urban birds

Peak Warming Man said:


>>They aren’t much afraid of me.

Good, good.
They will eventually get close enough one day.

I suppose they taste like chicken..

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