https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-27/brumby-population-up-30-per-cent-in-kosciuszko-study-finds/101899022

Wild horse numbers in Kosciuszko National Park have jumped by more than 30 per cent in the past two years, a survey has found.

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The Invasive Species Council has serious doubt that the plan to significantly reduce the brumby population by 2027 will succeed if it continues at the same rate.

“We’re very concerned that without significant action to reduce feral horses urgently that the streams, wetlands and vegetation … will be damaged,” acting conservation director Jack Gough said.

Aerial culling was ruled out of the management plan.

The current control methods include passive trapping, aerial and ground mustering and rehoming when possible.

Mr Gough said the management plan was a “decent attempt to overturn years of action and delay” but suggested aerial culling be reconsidered.

“When it comes to feral animal control, we need all options to be on the table and that includes aerial culling,” he said.

“We know that aerial culling is safe — it can be done professionally and humanely and is one of the tools that should be available to land managers to reduce the number of feral horses in Koscisuzko National Park.”

just release some brumby killing lions into the area…

then some lion killing bears…

then some bear killing virus…

problem solved.

thank Gladys

Well, something has to replace the megafauna.

mollwollfumble said:

Well, something has to replace the megafauna.

leave it to the biggest arseholes in the solar system

mollwollfumble said:

Well, something has to replace the megafauna.

No. The food the megafauna ate, is long fucking gone and ain’t never coming back. The climate has changed or didn’t you notice?

dv said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-27/brumby-population-up-30-per-cent-in-kosciuszko-study-finds/101899022

Wild horse numbers in Kosciuszko National Park have jumped by more than 30 per cent in the past two years, a survey has found.

—-

The Invasive Species Council has serious doubt that the plan to significantly reduce the brumby population by 2027 will succeed if it continues at the same rate.

“We’re very concerned that without significant action to reduce feral horses urgently that the streams, wetlands and vegetation … will be damaged,” acting conservation director Jack Gough said.

Aerial culling was ruled out of the management plan.

The current control methods include passive trapping, aerial and ground mustering and rehoming when possible.

Mr Gough said the management plan was a “decent attempt to overturn years of action and delay” but suggested aerial culling be reconsidered.

“When it comes to feral animal control, we need all options to be on the table and that includes aerial culling,” he said.

“We know that aerial culling is safe — it can be done professionally and humanely and is one of the tools that should be available to land managers to reduce the number of feral horses in Koscisuzko National Park.”

In the High Country, you have the rocky hills and mountains where due to the harsher conditions the vegetation is less diverse, but scattered throughout this landscape are moist meadows known as “Herb Fields” where flora diversity is very high and which attracts the local fauna, including wild horses. These large animals with their hard hooves trample this fragile habitat into muddy puddles and destroy much of flora (the jewel in the crown). Forty years ago, when I spent several years studying the flora in this region, horse numbers were not large and mainly singular or small family groups, yet they did considerable damage to the vegetation, but these days with herds of animals it must be horrific.

PermeateFree said:

dv said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-27/brumby-population-up-30-per-cent-in-kosciuszko-study-finds/101899022

Wild horse numbers in Kosciuszko National Park have jumped by more than 30 per cent in the past two years, a survey has found.

—-

The Invasive Species Council has serious doubt that the plan to significantly reduce the brumby population by 2027 will succeed if it continues at the same rate.

“We’re very concerned that without significant action to reduce feral horses urgently that the streams, wetlands and vegetation … will be damaged,” acting conservation director Jack Gough said.

Aerial culling was ruled out of the management plan.

The current control methods include passive trapping, aerial and ground mustering and rehoming when possible.

Mr Gough said the management plan was a “decent attempt to overturn years of action and delay” but suggested aerial culling be reconsidered.

“When it comes to feral animal control, we need all options to be on the table and that includes aerial culling,” he said.

“We know that aerial culling is safe — it can be done professionally and humanely and is one of the tools that should be available to land managers to reduce the number of feral horses in Koscisuzko National Park.”

In the High Country, you have the rocky hills and mountains where due to the harsher conditions the vegetation is less diverse, but scattered throughout this landscape are moist meadows known as “Herb Fields” where flora diversity is very high and which attracts the local fauna, including wild horses. These large animals with their hard hooves trample this fragile habitat into muddy puddles and destroy much of flora (the jewel in the crown). Forty years ago, when I spent several years studying the flora in this region, horse numbers were not large and mainly singular or small family groups, yet they did considerable damage to the vegetation, but these days with herds of animals it must be horrific.

Have any introduced animals actually worked out, bees ?

Cymek said:

PermeateFree said:

dv said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-27/brumby-population-up-30-per-cent-in-kosciuszko-study-finds/101899022

Wild horse numbers in Kosciuszko National Park have jumped by more than 30 per cent in the past two years, a survey has found.

—-

The Invasive Species Council has serious doubt that the plan to significantly reduce the brumby population by 2027 will succeed if it continues at the same rate.

“We’re very concerned that without significant action to reduce feral horses urgently that the streams, wetlands and vegetation … will be damaged,” acting conservation director Jack Gough said.

Aerial culling was ruled out of the management plan.

The current control methods include passive trapping, aerial and ground mustering and rehoming when possible.

Mr Gough said the management plan was a “decent attempt to overturn years of action and delay” but suggested aerial culling be reconsidered.

“When it comes to feral animal control, we need all options to be on the table and that includes aerial culling,” he said.

“We know that aerial culling is safe — it can be done professionally and humanely and is one of the tools that should be available to land managers to reduce the number of feral horses in Koscisuzko National Park.”

In the High Country, you have the rocky hills and mountains where due to the harsher conditions the vegetation is less diverse, but scattered throughout this landscape are moist meadows known as “Herb Fields” where flora diversity is very high and which attracts the local fauna, including wild horses. These large animals with their hard hooves trample this fragile habitat into muddy puddles and destroy much of flora (the jewel in the crown). Forty years ago, when I spent several years studying the flora in this region, horse numbers were not large and mainly singular or small family groups, yet they did considerable damage to the vegetation, but these days with herds of animals it must be horrific.

Have any introduced animals actually worked out, bees ?

Dingos.

Humans.

Until recently anyway.

Cymek said:

PermeateFree said:

dv said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-27/brumby-population-up-30-per-cent-in-kosciuszko-study-finds/101899022

Wild horse numbers in Kosciuszko National Park have jumped by more than 30 per cent in the past two years, a survey has found.

—-

The Invasive Species Council has serious doubt that the plan to significantly reduce the brumby population by 2027 will succeed if it continues at the same rate.

“We’re very concerned that without significant action to reduce feral horses urgently that the streams, wetlands and vegetation … will be damaged,” acting conservation director Jack Gough said.

Aerial culling was ruled out of the management plan.

The current control methods include passive trapping, aerial and ground mustering and rehoming when possible.

Mr Gough said the management plan was a “decent attempt to overturn years of action and delay” but suggested aerial culling be reconsidered.

“When it comes to feral animal control, we need all options to be on the table and that includes aerial culling,” he said.

“We know that aerial culling is safe — it can be done professionally and humanely and is one of the tools that should be available to land managers to reduce the number of feral horses in Koscisuzko National Park.”

In the High Country, you have the rocky hills and mountains where due to the harsher conditions the vegetation is less diverse, but scattered throughout this landscape are moist meadows known as “Herb Fields” where flora diversity is very high and which attracts the local fauna, including wild horses. These large animals with their hard hooves trample this fragile habitat into muddy puddles and destroy much of flora (the jewel in the crown). Forty years ago, when I spent several years studying the flora in this region, horse numbers were not large and mainly singular or small family groups, yet they did considerable damage to the vegetation, but these days with herds of animals it must be horrific.

Have any introduced animals actually worked out, bees ?

No. Bees are feral pests.

roughbarked said:

Cymek said:

PermeateFree said:

In the High Country, you have the rocky hills and mountains where due to the harsher conditions the vegetation is less diverse, but scattered throughout this landscape are moist meadows known as “Herb Fields” where flora diversity is very high and which attracts the local fauna, including wild horses. These large animals with their hard hooves trample this fragile habitat into muddy puddles and destroy much of flora (the jewel in the crown). Forty years ago, when I spent several years studying the flora in this region, horse numbers were not large and mainly singular or small family groups, yet they did considerable damage to the vegetation, but these days with herds of animals it must be horrific.

Have any introduced animals actually worked out, bees ?

No. Bees are feral pests.

Yes I was wondering about them

The Rev Dodgson said:

Cymek said:

PermeateFree said:

In the High Country, you have the rocky hills and mountains where due to the harsher conditions the vegetation is less diverse, but scattered throughout this landscape are moist meadows known as “Herb Fields” where flora diversity is very high and which attracts the local fauna, including wild horses. These large animals with their hard hooves trample this fragile habitat into muddy puddles and destroy much of flora (the jewel in the crown). Forty years ago, when I spent several years studying the flora in this region, horse numbers were not large and mainly singular or small family groups, yet they did considerable damage to the vegetation, but these days with herds of animals it must be horrific.

Have any introduced animals actually worked out, bees ?

Dingos.

Humans.

Until recently anyway.

I think you will find that dingoes worked with the aborigine as a top predator but that it has been different since.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Cymek said:

PermeateFree said:

In the High Country, you have the rocky hills and mountains where due to the harsher conditions the vegetation is less diverse, but scattered throughout this landscape are moist meadows known as “Herb Fields” where flora diversity is very high and which attracts the local fauna, including wild horses. These large animals with their hard hooves trample this fragile habitat into muddy puddles and destroy much of flora (the jewel in the crown). Forty years ago, when I spent several years studying the flora in this region, horse numbers were not large and mainly singular or small family groups, yet they did considerable damage to the vegetation, but these days with herds of animals it must be horrific.

Have any introduced animals actually worked out, bees ?

Dingos.

Humans.

Until recently anyway.

Can you give me a ref that dingos and humans ever worked out? Their introduction led to a lot of extinctions.

Cymek said:

roughbarked said:

Cymek said:

Have any introduced animals actually worked out, bees ?

No. Bees are feral pests.

Yes I was wondering about them

They kill the babies of Carnabt’s cockies and take over their nesting hollows, thus endangering rare parrots. They disturb the delicate balance between orchids and their natural pollinators sending both species to the brink. The list goes on.

White men, destroyed habitat and introduced feral plants animals and diseases. All of which has pushed Australia’s biodiversity to the edge of reality, towards the unknowns of extinctions.

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Cymek said:

Have any introduced animals actually worked out, bees ?

Dingos.

Humans.

Until recently anyway.

Can you give me a ref that dingos and humans ever worked out? Their introduction led to a lot of extinctions.

Whilst the aborigine was the top predator, the numbers of dingoes were kept to a minimum.

Cymek said:

PermeateFree said:

dv said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-27/brumby-population-up-30-per-cent-in-kosciuszko-study-finds/101899022

Wild horse numbers in Kosciuszko National Park have jumped by more than 30 per cent in the past two years, a survey has found.

—-

The Invasive Species Council has serious doubt that the plan to significantly reduce the brumby population by 2027 will succeed if it continues at the same rate.

“We’re very concerned that without significant action to reduce feral horses urgently that the streams, wetlands and vegetation … will be damaged,” acting conservation director Jack Gough said.

Aerial culling was ruled out of the management plan.

The current control methods include passive trapping, aerial and ground mustering and rehoming when possible.

Mr Gough said the management plan was a “decent attempt to overturn years of action and delay” but suggested aerial culling be reconsidered.

“When it comes to feral animal control, we need all options to be on the table and that includes aerial culling,” he said.

“We know that aerial culling is safe — it can be done professionally and humanely and is one of the tools that should be available to land managers to reduce the number of feral horses in Koscisuzko National Park.”

In the High Country, you have the rocky hills and mountains where due to the harsher conditions the vegetation is less diverse, but scattered throughout this landscape are moist meadows known as “Herb Fields” where flora diversity is very high and which attracts the local fauna, including wild horses. These large animals with their hard hooves trample this fragile habitat into muddy puddles and destroy much of flora (the jewel in the crown). Forty years ago, when I spent several years studying the flora in this region, horse numbers were not large and mainly singular or small family groups, yet they did considerable damage to the vegetation, but these days with herds of animals it must be horrific.

Have any introduced animals actually worked out, bees ?

I don’t think so. In small numbers the environment can usually absorb them, but when their numbers increase is when the problems begin. Camels with their soft feet were once thought to be benign, but they also do considerable environmental damage in large numbers. Bees IMO are a curse, they easily go feral if neglected and take over nesting hollows and drive off the native inhabitants. They are not good pollinators to most native plants and with some will chew holes at the base of flowers to get the nectar and so avoid the plants reproductive organs.

roughbarked said:

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Dingos.

Humans.

Until recently anyway.

Can you give me a ref that dingos and humans ever worked out? Their introduction led to a lot of extinctions.

Whilst the aborigine was the top predator, the numbers of dingoes were kept to a minimum.

Dingo pups are like roast lamb.

PermeateFree said:

Cymek said:

PermeateFree said:

In the High Country, you have the rocky hills and mountains where due to the harsher conditions the vegetation is less diverse, but scattered throughout this landscape are moist meadows known as “Herb Fields” where flora diversity is very high and which attracts the local fauna, including wild horses. These large animals with their hard hooves trample this fragile habitat into muddy puddles and destroy much of flora (the jewel in the crown). Forty years ago, when I spent several years studying the flora in this region, horse numbers were not large and mainly singular or small family groups, yet they did considerable damage to the vegetation, but these days with herds of animals it must be horrific.

Have any introduced animals actually worked out, bees ?

I don’t think so. In small numbers the environment can usually absorb them, but when their numbers increase is when the problems begin. Camels with their soft feet were once thought to be benign, but they also do considerable environmental damage in large numbers. Bees IMO are a curse, they easily go feral if neglected and take over nesting hollows and drive off the native inhabitants. They are not good pollinators to most native plants and with some will chew holes at the base of flowers to get the nectar and so avoid the plants reproductive organs.

How long has Australia been adrift from Gondwana? It has taken this long for the species to evolve particluar niche habitats. All of which are pushed to the brink with introductions of large numbers of ferals. Coupled with land clearing levelling and disastrous floods fires due to the changes we have made and these feral populations just get worse while our fragile ecosystems are all failing.

roughbarked said:

PermeateFree said:

Cymek said:

Have any introduced animals actually worked out, bees ?

I don’t think so. In small numbers the environment can usually absorb them, but when their numbers increase is when the problems begin. Camels with their soft feet were once thought to be benign, but they also do considerable environmental damage in large numbers. Bees IMO are a curse, they easily go feral if neglected and take over nesting hollows and drive off the native inhabitants. They are not good pollinators to most native plants and with some will chew holes at the base of flowers to get the nectar and so avoid the plants reproductive organs.

How long has Australia been adrift from Gondwana? It has taken this long for the species to evolve particluar niche habitats. All of which are pushed to the brink with introductions of large numbers of ferals. Coupled with land clearing levelling and disastrous floods fires due to the changes we have made and these feral populations just get worse while our fragile ecosystems are all failing.

So very true.

PermeateFree said:

Cymek said:

PermeateFree said:

In the High Country, you have the rocky hills and mountains where due to the harsher conditions the vegetation is less diverse, but scattered throughout this landscape are moist meadows known as “Herb Fields” where flora diversity is very high and which attracts the local fauna, including wild horses. These large animals with their hard hooves trample this fragile habitat into muddy puddles and destroy much of flora (the jewel in the crown). Forty years ago, when I spent several years studying the flora in this region, horse numbers were not large and mainly singular or small family groups, yet they did considerable damage to the vegetation, but these days with herds of animals it must be horrific.

Have any introduced animals actually worked out, bees ?

I don’t think so. In small numbers the environment can usually absorb them, but when their numbers increase is when the problems begin. Camels with their soft feet were once thought to be benign, but they also do considerable environmental damage in large numbers. Bees IMO are a curse, they easily go feral if neglected and take over nesting hollows and drive off the native inhabitants. They are not good pollinators to most native plants and with some will chew holes at the base of flowers to get the nectar and so avoid the plants reproductive organs.

Speaking of numbers of in troduced species. We are the worst.

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Cymek said:

Have any introduced animals actually worked out, bees ?

Dingos.

Humans.

Until recently anyway.

Can you give me a ref that dingos and humans ever worked out? Their introduction led to a lot of extinctions.

Life forms come, life forms go, nothing is pristine.
Right now the world is populated by a myriad of life forms, including man.
Nothing that they do is un-natural.
To get real pristine you’d have to go back to when there was no life, when the earth was a rock.

roughbarked said:

PermeateFree said:

Cymek said:

Have any introduced animals actually worked out, bees ?

I don’t think so. In small numbers the environment can usually absorb them, but when their numbers increase is when the problems begin. Camels with their soft feet were once thought to be benign, but they also do considerable environmental damage in large numbers. Bees IMO are a curse, they easily go feral if neglected and take over nesting hollows and drive off the native inhabitants. They are not good pollinators to most native plants and with some will chew holes at the base of flowers to get the nectar and so avoid the plants reproductive organs.

Speaking of numbers of in troduced species. We are the worst.

So very true.

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Dingos.

Humans.

Until recently anyway.

Can you give me a ref that dingos and humans ever worked out? Their introduction led to a lot of extinctions.

Life forms come, life forms go, nothing is pristine.
Right now the world is populated by a myriad of life forms, including man.
Nothing that they do is un-natural.
To get real pristine you’d have to go back to when there was no life, when the earth was a rock.

These are in abstract reasonable comments, and every species alive to day will one day be extinct, and yet there are sound reasons for wanting to prevent an excessive rate of mass extinction.

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Dingos.

Humans.

Until recently anyway.

Can you give me a ref that dingos and humans ever worked out? Their introduction led to a lot of extinctions.

Life forms come, life forms go, nothing is pristine.
Right now the world is populated by a myriad of life forms, including man.
Nothing that they do is un-natural.
To get real pristine you’d have to go back to when there was no life, when the earth was a rock.

Before all time.

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Dingos.

Humans.

Until recently anyway.

Can you give me a ref that dingos and humans ever worked out? Their introduction led to a lot of extinctions.

Life forms come, life forms go, nothing is pristine.
Right now the world is populated by a myriad of life forms, including man.
Nothing that they do is un-natural.
To get real pristine you’d have to go back to when there was no life, when the earth was a rock.

On the third day approximately 6500 years ago?

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Dingos.

Humans.

Until recently anyway.

Can you give me a ref that dingos and humans ever worked out? Their introduction led to a lot of extinctions.

Life forms come, life forms go, nothing is pristine.
Right now the world is populated by a myriad of life forms, including man.
Nothing that they do is un-natural.
To get real pristine you’d have to go back to when there was no life, when the earth was a rock.

I think you have missed a great deal between. You need to read more to understand the ramifications.

dv said:

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

Can you give me a ref that dingos and humans ever worked out? Their introduction led to a lot of extinctions.

Life forms come, life forms go, nothing is pristine.
Right now the world is populated by a myriad of life forms, including man.
Nothing that they do is un-natural.
To get real pristine you’d have to go back to when there was no life, when the earth was a rock.

These are in abstract reasonable comments, and every species alive to day will one day be extinct, and yet there are sound reasons for wanting to prevent an excessive rate of mass extinction.

The real issue is about the capacity for this spinning rock in space to support life. This is the aspect which should carry on regardless of what happens to birds bees or humans. However, the latter mentioned have done our very best to destroy the major facet that supports all life on this planet. The atmosphere.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

Can you give me a ref that dingos and humans ever worked out? Their introduction led to a lot of extinctions.

Life forms come, life forms go, nothing is pristine.
Right now the world is populated by a myriad of life forms, including man.
Nothing that they do is un-natural.
To get real pristine you’d have to go back to when there was no life, when the earth was a rock.

On the third day approximately 6500 years ago?

It wasn’t until the sixth day after God had created the seeded herb, could life go forth and multiply and he could go on extended vacation with his stash.

roughbarked said:

dv said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Life forms come, life forms go, nothing is pristine.
Right now the world is populated by a myriad of life forms, including man.
Nothing that they do is un-natural.
To get real pristine you’d have to go back to when there was no life, when the earth was a rock.

These are in abstract reasonable comments, and every species alive to day will one day be extinct, and yet there are sound reasons for wanting to prevent an excessive rate of mass extinction.

The real issue is about the capacity for this spinning rock in space to support life. This is the aspect which should carry on regardless of what happens to birds bees or humans. However, the latter mentioned have done our very best to destroy the major facet that supports all life on this planet. The atmosphere.

Perhaps some could argue is life important if nothing is around to appreciate it.
Earth itself doesn’t care if it has life on it or not (we assume so anyway)
Problem is intelligent species may tend to wreck it (we only have ourselves as an example, are we the rule or the exception)

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Cymek said:

Have any introduced animals actually worked out, bees ?

Dingos.

Humans.

Until recently anyway.

Can you give me a ref that dingos and humans ever worked out? Their introduction led to a lot of extinctions.

Really just a suggestion given without a lot of thought.

But I guess things settled down a bit after a few thousand years?

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Dingos.

Humans.

Until recently anyway.

Can you give me a ref that dingos and humans ever worked out? Their introduction led to a lot of extinctions.

Really just a suggestion given without a lot of thought.

But I guess things settled down a bit after a few thousand years?

I’m sure the same can be said for any invasive species.

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

Can you give me a ref that dingos and humans ever worked out? Their introduction led to a lot of extinctions.

Really just a suggestion given without a lot of thought.

But I guess things settled down a bit after a few thousand years?

I’m sure the same can be said for any invasive species.

Humans may settle down yet and surprise us all

Cymek said:

roughbarked said:

dv said:

These are in abstract reasonable comments, and every species alive to day will one day be extinct, and yet there are sound reasons for wanting to prevent an excessive rate of mass extinction.

The real issue is about the capacity for this spinning rock in space to support life. This is the aspect which should carry on regardless of what happens to birds bees or humans. However, the latter mentioned have done our very best to destroy the major facet that supports all life on this planet. The atmosphere.

Perhaps some could argue is life important if nothing is around to appreciate it.
Earth itself doesn’t care if it has life on it or not (we assume so anyway)
Problem is intelligent species may tend to wreck it (we only have ourselves as an example, are we the rule or the exception)

There’s no one else around. Maybe we need to learn how to populate new planets by not fucking this one up. It appears to be the only chance going.

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Dingos.

Humans.

Until recently anyway.

Can you give me a ref that dingos and humans ever worked out? Their introduction led to a lot of extinctions.

Really just a suggestion given without a lot of thought.

But I guess things settled down a bit after a few thousand years?

We were here by then.

Cymek said:

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Really just a suggestion given without a lot of thought.

But I guess things settled down a bit after a few thousand years?

I’m sure the same can be said for any invasive species.

Humans may settle down yet and surprise us all

That will come as a shock.

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

dv said:

Can you give me a ref that dingos and humans ever worked out? Their introduction led to a lot of extinctions.

Whilst the aborigine was the top predator, the numbers of dingoes were kept to a minimum.

Dingo pups are like roast lamb.

So get aborigines to eat feral horse foals?

roughbarked said:

Cymek said:

roughbarked said:

The real issue is about the capacity for this spinning rock in space to support life. This is the aspect which should carry on regardless of what happens to birds bees or humans. However, the latter mentioned have done our very best to destroy the major facet that supports all life on this planet. The atmosphere.

Perhaps some could argue is life important if nothing is around to appreciate it.
Earth itself doesn’t care if it has life on it or not (we assume so anyway)
Problem is intelligent species may tend to wreck it (we only have ourselves as an example, are we the rule or the exception)

There’s no one else around. Maybe we need to learn how to populate new planets by not fucking this one up. It appears to be the only chance going.

I agree I think we are incredibly stupid and selfish for wrecking Earth
Are we humans damaged somehow or if aliens exist and are tool using civilisations are they also destructive, if so perhaps its a universal constant for intelligent creatures

Ian said:

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

Whilst the aborigine was the top predator, the numbers of dingoes were kept to a minimum.

Dingo pups are like roast lamb.

So get aborigines to eat feral horse foals?

I’m sure they would have had we left them to their own devices.
At least there were records of horses and even humans taken and eaten during the Palmer River gold rush.

Ian said:

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

Whilst the aborigine was the top predator, the numbers of dingoes were kept to a minimum.

Dingo pups are like roast lamb.

So get aborigines to eat feral horse foals?

Would most people eat them if given the option, the heads could be sourced by the Mafia as well

Cymek said:

roughbarked said:

Cymek said:

Perhaps some could argue is life important if nothing is around to appreciate it.
Earth itself doesn’t care if it has life on it or not (we assume so anyway)
Problem is intelligent species may tend to wreck it (we only have ourselves as an example, are we the rule or the exception)

There’s no one else around. Maybe we need to learn how to populate new planets by not fucking this one up. It appears to be the only chance going.

I agree I think we are incredibly stupid and selfish for wrecking Earth
Are we humans damaged somehow or if aliens exist and are tool using civilisations are they also destructive, if so perhaps its a universal constant for intelligent creatures

The likelyhood of any other planet actually having intelligent life is so near to absolute zero as to be unsustainable as an argument for aliens.

Cymek said:

Ian said:

roughbarked said:

Dingo pups are like roast lamb.

So get aborigines to eat feral horse foals?

Would most people eat them if given the option, the heads could be sourced by the Mafia as well

Wake up with Winx’s head on the pillow beside you.

Cymek said:

Ian said:

roughbarked said:

Dingo pups are like roast lamb.

So get aborigines to eat feral horse foals?

Would most people eat them if given the option, the heads could be sourced by the Mafia as well

Why waste good food on Mafia bosses?

During the crusades, many horses fed the tables of the Christian soldiers.

Peak Warming Man said:

Cymek said:

Ian said:

So get aborigines to eat feral horse foals?

Would most people eat them if given the option, the heads could be sourced by the Mafia as well

Wake up with Winx’s head on the pillow beside you.

Damn. There goes the bet I had on his head.

roughbarked said:

Cymek said:

Ian said:

So get aborigines to eat feral horse foals?

Would most people eat them if given the option, the heads could be sourced by the Mafia as well

Why waste good food on Mafia bosses?

During the crusades, many horses fed the tables of the Christian soldiers.

A butcher in WA had horses meat a few years ago and many people were upset, I think we talked about here.

Cymek said:

roughbarked said:

Cymek said:

Would most people eat them if given the option, the heads could be sourced by the Mafia as well

Why waste good food on Mafia bosses?

During the crusades, many horses fed the tables of the Christian soldiers.

A butcher in WA had horses meat a few years ago and many people were upset, I think we talked about here.

When we finished with him he was known as the Butcher of Bunbury.

eradicating introduced equine pests is unacceptable

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-09/victorian-duck-season-premier-daniel-andrews-language-signal/101948138

but fucking up ducks is