Date: 30/01/2023 16:44:42
From: dv
ID: 1988456
Subject: Turkish politics

Erdogan says Turkey may block Sweden’s Nato membership bid

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has suggested that Ankara may agree to Finland joining Nato, but not Sweden.
He criticised Sweden’s refusal to extradite dozens of people allegedly tied to Kurdish militant groups and other critics of his government.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64446439

There are parliamentary and presidential elections occurring this year.

Erdogan’s party is probably going to lose ground in parliament.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Turkish_general_election

But there is more power in the Presidency now.

It’s been a few months since the last head to head polls but Erdogan is well behind all the other prominent candidates in second round polling. (Turkey uses run-offs if no one gets to 50%).

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Date: 7/02/2023 08:45:26
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1991344
Subject: re: Turkish politics

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-07/who-expects-death-toll-from-earthquake-to-rise/101938426

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Date: 12/02/2023 11:51:53
From: dv
ID: 1993343
Subject: re: Turkish politics

28000 death toll from the Earthquake now but the speed at which this is rising suggests to me that the final figure will be much higher, perhaps twice that.

Erdogan is copping a lot of flack for the poor response.

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Date: 12/02/2023 11:55:54
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1993349
Subject: re: Turkish politics

dv said:


28000 death toll from the Earthquake now but the speed at which this is rising suggests to me that the final figure will be much higher, perhaps twice that.

Erdogan is copping a lot of flack for the poor response.

It seems strange to me that no-one seems to point any figures at governments for high death tolls from earthquakes, even though it is directly related to lack of regulation in the construction of apartment blocks.

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Date: 12/02/2023 11:59:37
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1993352
Subject: re: Turkish politics

dv said:


28000 death toll from the Earthquake now but the speed at which this is rising suggests to me that the final figure will be much higher, perhaps twice that.

Erdogan is copping a lot of flack for the poor response.

Economy seems it might not be as robust as it was projected.

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Date: 12/02/2023 12:03:36
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1993358
Subject: re: Turkish politics

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

28000 death toll from the Earthquake now but the speed at which this is rising suggests to me that the final figure will be much higher, perhaps twice that.

Erdogan is copping a lot of flack for the poor response.

It seems strange to me that no-one seems to point any figures at governments for high death tolls from earthquakes, even though it is directly related to lack of regulation in the construction of apartment blocks.

why should they, they’re unprecedented, unpredictable and unstoppable just like pandemics

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Date: 12/02/2023 12:05:06
From: roughbarked
ID: 1993360
Subject: re: Turkish politics

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

28000 death toll from the Earthquake now but the speed at which this is rising suggests to me that the final figure will be much higher, perhaps twice that.

Erdogan is copping a lot of flack for the poor response.

It seems strange to me that no-one seems to point any figures at governments for high death tolls from earthquakes, even though it is directly related to lack of regulation in the construction of apartment blocks.

why should they, they’re unprecedented, unpredictable and unstoppable just like pandemics

Because there are earthquake proof structures that should have been built and there are building regulations that should be followed.

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Date: 12/02/2023 12:08:06
From: dv
ID: 1993365
Subject: re: Turkish politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


dv said:

28000 death toll from the Earthquake now but the speed at which this is rising suggests to me that the final figure will be much higher, perhaps twice that.

Erdogan is copping a lot of flack for the poor response.

It seems strange to me that no-one seems to point any figures at governments for high death tolls from earthquakes, even though it is directly related to lack of regulation in the construction of apartment blocks.

Yeah

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Date: 12/02/2023 12:12:03
From: dv
ID: 1993369
Subject: re: Turkish politics

roughbarked said:


SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

It seems strange to me that no-one seems to point any figures at governments for high death tolls from earthquakes, even though it is directly related to lack of regulation in the construction of apartment blocks.

why should they, they’re unprecedented, unpredictable and unstoppable just like pandemics

Because there are earthquake proof structures that should have been built and there are building regulations that should be followed.

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Date: 12/02/2023 12:14:44
From: roughbarked
ID: 1993370
Subject: re: Turkish politics

dv said:


roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

why should they, they’re unprecedented, unpredictable and unstoppable just like pandemics

Because there are earthquake proof structures that should have been built and there are building regulations that should be followed.


You know it is the lowest form of wit.

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Date: 12/02/2023 12:20:38
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1993372
Subject: re: Turkish politics

We don’t know what caused it, could have been the movement of tectonic plates or the aftermath of a gay Mardi Gras.
Or something else, we just don’t know.

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Date: 12/02/2023 12:23:30
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1993376
Subject: re: Turkish politics

dv said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

28000 death toll from the Earthquake now but the speed at which this is rising suggests to me that the final figure will be much higher, perhaps twice that.

Erdogan is copping a lot of flack for the poor response.

It seems strange to me that no-one seems to point any figures at governments for high death tolls from earthquakes, even though it is directly related to lack of regulation in the construction of apartment blocks.

Yeah

there is mumblings about the earthquake taxes that have been collected but are not available.

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Date: 12/02/2023 12:31:10
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1993382
Subject: re: Turkish politics

roughbarked said:

You know it is the lowest form of wit.

I’d wager that that saying was originated by someone who (a) suffered by the sarcasm of another, and (b) lacked the wit to be effective with sarcasm themselves.

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Date: 12/02/2023 12:32:51
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1993385
Subject: re: Turkish politics

dv said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

28000 death toll from the Earthquake now but the speed at which this is rising suggests to me that the final figure will be much higher, perhaps twice that.

Erdogan is copping a lot of flack for the poor response.

It seems strange to me that no-one seems to point any figures at governments for high death tolls from earthquakes, even though it is directly related to lack of regulation in the construction of apartment blocks.

Yeah

I’ve read a bit. After the 1999 Istanbul quake new construction rules were supposed to change things but as usual they were not enforced.

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Date: 12/02/2023 12:43:04
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1993389
Subject: re: Turkish politics

Apparently some relief agencies are suspending their aid because the people are going feral and looting and fighting among themselves.

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Date: 12/02/2023 12:45:37
From: roughbarked
ID: 1993391
Subject: re: Turkish politics

captain_spalding said:


roughbarked said:

You know it is the lowest form of wit.

I’d wager that that saying was originated by someone who (a) suffered by the sarcasm of another, and (b) lacked the wit to be effective with sarcasm themselves.

You are probably quite correct. I find It best to pretend I didn’t notice. ;)

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Date: 12/02/2023 12:46:02
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1993392
Subject: re: Turkish politics

captain_spalding said:


roughbarked said:

You know it is the lowest form of wit.

I’d wager that that saying was originated by someone who (a) suffered by the sarcasm of another, and (b) lacked the wit to be effective with sarcasm themselves.

On the contrary, it is clearly self-referential sarcasm.

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Date: 12/02/2023 12:46:33
From: roughbarked
ID: 1993393
Subject: re: Turkish politics

Peak Warming Man said:


Apparently some relief agencies are suspending their aid because the people are going feral and looting and fighting among themselves.

It is more real than apparent.

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Date: 12/02/2023 12:48:18
From: roughbarked
ID: 1993397
Subject: re: Turkish politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

You know it is the lowest form of wit.

I’d wager that that saying was originated by someone who (a) suffered by the sarcasm of another, and (b) lacked the wit to be effective with sarcasm themselves.

On the contrary, it is clearly self-referential sarcasm.

Check.

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Date: 12/02/2023 12:52:00
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1993400
Subject: re: Turkish politics

Turkish government under pressure to account for use of £30bn ‘earthquake tax’ fund collected for disasters
The public, media and opposition politicians demand answers over revenue from tax introduced in 1999

https://inews.co.uk/news/world/turkish-government-earthquake-tax-2136164

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Date: 12/02/2023 12:56:20
From: party_pants
ID: 1993406
Subject: re: Turkish politics

I think he is going to get voted out at the next election.

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Date: 12/02/2023 12:56:57
From: roughbarked
ID: 1993407
Subject: re: Turkish politics

party_pants said:


I think he is going to get voted out at the next election.

He’s already lost a lot of electors.

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Date: 12/02/2023 15:30:02
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1993547
Subject: re: Turkish politics

roughbarked said:

dv said:

roughbarked said:

Because there are earthquake proof structures that should have been built and there are building regulations that should be followed.


You know it is the lowest form of wit.

we know there are virus proof filters that should have been used and there are clean air regulations that should be followed wait

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Date: 12/02/2023 15:32:25
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1993548
Subject: re: Turkish politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

You know it is the lowest form of wit.

I’d wager that that saying was originated by someone who (a) suffered by the sarcasm of another, and (b) lacked the wit to be effective with sarcasm themselves.

On the contrary, it is clearly self-referential sarcasm.

only if the quote were completed

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Date: 12/02/2023 15:32:51
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1993549
Subject: re: Turkish politics

roughbarked said:

party_pants said:

I think he is going to get voted out at the next election.

He’s already lost a lot of electors.

Luckily He Will Still Have Plenty Of Time To Do Good Things

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Date: 13/02/2023 08:48:47
From: dv
ID: 1993707
Subject: re: Turkish politics

ven though Türkiye has, on paper, construction codes that meet current earthquake-engineering standards, they are too rarely enforced, explaining why thousands of buildings slumped onto their side or pancaked downward onto residents.

Turkish Justice Minister Bekir Bozdag said on Sunday (local time) that 134 people were being investigated for their alleged responsibility in the construction of buildings that failed to withstand the quakes, according to Turkey’s state-run Anadolu news agency.

He said that three had been arrested pending trial, seven people were detained and seven other were barred from leaving the country.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-13/turkiye-issues-arrest-warrants-for-134-building-contractors/101963810

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Date: 13/02/2023 08:55:18
From: roughbarked
ID: 1993709
Subject: re: Turkish politics

dv said:


ven though Türkiye has, on paper, construction codes that meet current earthquake-engineering standards, they are too rarely enforced, explaining why thousands of buildings slumped onto their side or pancaked downward onto residents.

Turkish Justice Minister Bekir Bozdag said on Sunday (local time) that 134 people were being investigated for their alleged responsibility in the construction of buildings that failed to withstand the quakes, according to Turkey’s state-run Anadolu news agency.

He said that three had been arrested pending trial, seven people were detained and seven other were barred from leaving the country.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-13/turkiye-issues-arrest-warrants-for-134-building-contractors/101963810

That’s just ghastly. The corruption must go all the way to the top for it to be so rife.

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Date: 13/02/2023 08:57:21
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1993710
Subject: re: Turkish politics

roughbarked said:


dv said:

ven though Türkiye has, on paper, construction codes that meet current earthquake-engineering standards, they are too rarely enforced, explaining why thousands of buildings slumped onto their side or pancaked downward onto residents.

Turkish Justice Minister Bekir Bozdag said on Sunday (local time) that 134 people were being investigated for their alleged responsibility in the construction of buildings that failed to withstand the quakes, according to Turkey’s state-run Anadolu news agency.

He said that three had been arrested pending trial, seven people were detained and seven other were barred from leaving the country.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-13/turkiye-issues-arrest-warrants-for-134-building-contractors/101963810

That’s just ghastly. The corruption must go all the way to the top for it to be so rife.

That’s Right If Only States Were More Police Like And Strictly Enforced Rules Wait

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Date: 13/02/2023 08:59:28
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1993711
Subject: re: Turkish politics

dv said:


ven though Türkiye has, on paper, construction codes that meet current earthquake-engineering standards, they are too rarely enforced, explaining why thousands of buildings slumped onto their side or pancaked downward onto residents.

Turkish Justice Minister Bekir Bozdag said on Sunday (local time) that 134 people were being investigated for their alleged responsibility in the construction of buildings that failed to withstand the quakes, according to Turkey’s state-run Anadolu news agency.

He said that three had been arrested pending trial, seven people were detained and seven other were barred from leaving the country.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-13/turkiye-issues-arrest-warrants-for-134-building-contractors/101963810

Sigh.

So they just ignore the fact that construction codes are being ignored by everyone, then when the consequences become apparent, they treat people like criminals for doing what everybody else did.

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Date: 13/02/2023 09:03:06
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1993712
Subject: re: Turkish politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


dv said:

ven though Türkiye has, on paper, construction codes that meet current earthquake-engineering standards, they are too rarely enforced, explaining why thousands of buildings slumped onto their side or pancaked downward onto residents.

Turkish Justice Minister Bekir Bozdag said on Sunday (local time) that 134 people were being investigated for their alleged responsibility in the construction of buildings that failed to withstand the quakes, according to Turkey’s state-run Anadolu news agency.

He said that three had been arrested pending trial, seven people were detained and seven other were barred from leaving the country.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-13/turkiye-issues-arrest-warrants-for-134-building-contractors/101963810

Sigh.

So they just ignore the fact that construction codes are being ignored by everyone, then when the consequences become apparent, they treat people like criminals for doing what everybody else did.

Turkish Govt Slams Stable Door: Horse Not Available For Comment.

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Date: 27/04/2023 20:43:23
From: party_pants
ID: 2024604
Subject: re: Turkish politics

Presidential and parliamentary elections are due on 14 May.

The opposition parties have reached a loose agreement to rally behind a single candidate for president and not run a multitude of candidates with one from each party. It seems this candidate is now a good chance of winning, although it might require a second run-off election between him and Erogan to decide the matter.

Erdogan and his party seem to have taken a hit in the polls, both for the economic management, and the lack-lustre response to the big earthquakes a month or two ago.

The big question is, if Erdogan does lose, will he step down quietly?

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Date: 27/04/2023 20:44:49
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2024605
Subject: re: Turkish politics

party_pants said:


Presidential and parliamentary elections are due on 14 May.

The opposition parties have reached a loose agreement to rally behind a single candidate for president and not run a multitude of candidates with one from each party. It seems this candidate is now a good chance of winning, although it might require a second run-off election between him and Erogan to decide the matter.

Erdogan and his party seem to have taken a hit in the polls, both for the economic management, and the lack-lustre response to the big earthquakes a month or two ago.

The big question is, if Erdogan does lose, will he step down quietly?

Indeed.

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Date: 6/05/2023 13:28:39
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2028126
Subject: re: Turkish politics

Economic turmoil has created an opening for Turkey’s opposition
Nation Alliance needs to convince voters it has better solutions than Erdogan

Seda Demiralp
May 2, 2023 17:00 JST

Seda Demiralp is an associate professor of international relations at Isik University in Istanbul.

Turkey this month will hold one of its most critical elections in many years.

On May 14, most voters will choose between the incumbent Justice and Development Party-led People’s Alliance or the opposition Nation Alliance in selecting among presidential and parliamentary candidates.

Based on recent polls, the outcome looks likely to be quite tight. The election is also momentous.

Assessments of the state of democracy in Turkey have been steadily declining in recent years due to an erosion of political freedom and excessive government centralization.

With this election, Turkey faces the possibility of sliding further into authoritarianism. President Tayyip Erdogan is running for a third term, although the constitution bans a president from serving more than two; his defenders say the restriction does not apply since the constitution was revised during his first term.

This election is also critical as the opposition has a higher chance to win than it has at most times since Erdogan first took power as prime minister in 2003. Justice and Development, known by its Turkish initials as AKP, remains the country’s largest party and may still secure a majority in parliament but many voters have turned against Erdogan.

The main opposition parties, meanwhile, have joined forces under the banner of the Nation Alliance behind nominee Kemal Kilicdaroglu, which could give him a chance to win the presidential race.

The opposition’s heightened chances even with an unfair electoral environment are mainly the result of the incumbents’ massive economic failure, with inflation topping 80% and the lira losing more than two-thirds of its value against the dollar since early 2021. This has cost Erdogan and his AKP nearly 10 percentage points of support, taking its rating well below the majority backing it held as recently as 2018.

Many voters have turned against Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan and the AKP due to economic failures. © Reuters
Turkey’s dire economic situation has presented the six-party Nation Alliance with the opportunity to frame the election as a vote to return to normality, allowing it to avoid divisive issues, such as the debate between Islamism and secularism.

Realizing that it needs to peel away some devout AKP supporters to win, the opposition has been careful to embrace an inclusive discourse focused on economic issues. This approach paid off in municipal elections in 2019, with the opposition winning striking victories in big cities including Istanbul and Ankara, both of which had been controlled by the AKP and its predecessor party for nearly 25 years.

Voters, though, are future oriented. Regardless of who hurt them financially in the past, their voting decisions are shaped by who they think is more likely to fix their problems. So mere criticism of the AKP-led People’s Alliance without a clearly superior alternative may not be enough for dissatisfied AKP voters to move to the Nation Alliance.

So far, the opposition has been addressing the right problems, such as fighting poverty and ending corruption, but it has not made it entirely clear how and when its goals can be reached. When specific promises have been made by the leaders of parties in the alliance, such as introducing a free school lunch program, they have not been embraced by the overall opposition campaign.

The opposition thus still lacks a coordinated campaign with a set of concrete economic goals that could demonstrate why the Nation Alliance is a better choice than the People’s Alliance and to signal that the six-party group can handle internal disagreements.

This has been needed as the alliance came under serious strain in settling on an election ticket, due to tensions between coalition members who favored Republican People’s Party leader Kilicdaroglu as the presidential nominee and those who preferred the party’s popular mayors, Ekrem Imamoglu and Mansur Yavas.

The decision to include the pair as vice presidential nominees helped, but some voters have likely been lost to independent parties outside the alliance, such as the Homeland Party, founded by former Republican People’s Party legislator Muharrem Ince.

Beating an autocratic incumbent is difficult, even when opposition parties join forces. Hungary is a recent example of how a weak candidate, internal rivalry among the opposition and a focus on abstract promises such as a “return to European values” can allow an incumbent to hold onto power.

Sometimes such opposition alliances do succeed, though rarely.

One example was the 2018 Malaysian election in which the opposition Pakatan Harapan coalition ousted Barisan Nasional, which had been in power for 60 years. This success could be traced not just to the coalition’s charismatic 92-year-old candidate, Mahathir Mohammed, but also to a campaign that directly addressed the daily economic struggles of the average voter and promised immediate relief.

Whether Turkey will follow in the direction of Hungary or Malaysia is a million-dollar question. But there is another path, too.

The example of Japan reminds us that the defeat of the dominant party may not result in lasting change. The Democratic Party of Japan in 2009 displaced the Liberal Democratic Party as the largest in the Diet for the first time in 53 years with a sweeping electoral victory. But the LDP was back in charge three years later, showing how dominant parties can easily bounce back if those who replace them struggle with coordination and are unprepared to rule.

Erdogan is well entrenched, but his support has not been this low since he came to power. This presents opposition parties with a golden opportunity to win the upcoming election. If they can overcome coordination problems and stay focused on returning Turkey to economic and political normality, they can change the nation’s fate. This would surely raise hope internationally about the ability of such alliances to beat autocratic incumbents at the polls.

https://asia.nikkei.com/Opinion/Economic-turmoil-has-created-an-opening-for-Turkey-s-opposition?

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Date: 15/05/2023 10:12:34
From: dv
ID: 2031519
Subject: re: Turkish politics

With 95% counted, it appears the election will be going to a runoff.

Nonetheless it’s pretty good for Erdogan, who currently on 49.5% versus Kirikdaloglu on 45%.

Kirikdaloglu is expected to pick up the great majority of the other votes in the runoff as most of the other parties are quite antiErdogan.

But at present he’d need to pick up about 90% of the “other” votes in the runoff.
Of course it’s possible Erdogan will lost popularity in the next few weeks. Or that 5% of votes remaining to be counted could be Kirikdaloguish.

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Date: 15/05/2023 10:17:27
From: roughbarked
ID: 2031521
Subject: re: Turkish politics

dv said:


With 95% counted, it appears the election will be going to a runoff.

Nonetheless it’s pretty good for Erdogan, who currently on 49.5% versus Kirikdaloglu on 45%.

Kirikdaloglu is expected to pick up the great majority of the other votes in the runoff as most of the other parties are quite antiErdogan.

But at present he’d need to pick up about 90% of the “other” votes in the runoff.
Of course it’s possible Erdogan will lost popularity in the next few weeks. Or that 5% of votes remaining to be counted could be Kirikdaloguish.

So the new guy might be harder still to get your tongue around his name?

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Date: 15/05/2023 10:28:12
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2031522
Subject: re: Turkish politics

It’s monday morning and we all know what that means, that’s right it’s bin collection morning.
And I can hear the truck coming now.
rubs hands

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Date: 15/05/2023 10:29:35
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2031523
Subject: re: Turkish politics

Never mind.

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Date: 15/05/2023 10:37:16
From: Tamb
ID: 2031526
Subject: re: Turkish politics

Peak Warming Man said:


It’s monday morning and we all know what that means, that’s right it’s bin collection morning.
And I can hear the truck coming now.
rubs hands

Only the landfill rubbish today. Recycling next week.

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Date: 15/05/2023 11:47:24
From: dv
ID: 2031550
Subject: re: Turkish politics

Peak Warming Man said:


It’s monday morning and we all know what that means, that’s right it’s bin collection morning.
And I can hear the truck coming now.
rubs hands

Is this a joke about Erdogan needing to get in the bin?

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Date: 15/05/2023 11:48:20
From: roughbarked
ID: 2031552
Subject: re: Turkish politics

dv said:


Peak Warming Man said:

It’s monday morning and we all know what that means, that’s right it’s bin collection morning.
And I can hear the truck coming now.
rubs hands

Is this a joke about Erdogan needing to get in the bin?

Just a wong fred.

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Date: 15/05/2023 11:53:44
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2031555
Subject: re: Turkish politics

dv said:


Peak Warming Man said:

It’s monday morning and we all know what that means, that’s right it’s bin collection morning.
And I can hear the truck coming now.
rubs hands

Is this a joke about Erdogan needing to get in the bin?

No it was just a wrong thread but I couldn’t find the wrong thread thread.

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Date: 15/05/2023 11:55:41
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2031556
Subject: re: Turkish politics

dv said:


Peak Warming Man said:

It’s monday morning and we all know what that means, that’s right it’s bin collection morning.
And I can hear the truck coming now.
rubs hands

Is this a joke about Erdogan needing to get in the bin?

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Date: 15/05/2023 12:12:38
From: dv
ID: 2031559
Subject: re: Turkish politics

Erdogan’s party has done poorly in the parliamentary elections, down from 42% last time to 35% this time. They’ll lose about 30 seats.

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Date: 15/05/2023 14:04:49
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2031586
Subject: re: Turkish politics

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Date: 15/05/2023 14:30:25
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2031588
Subject: re: Turkish politics

According to the ABC it should be Türkiye.

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Date: 15/05/2023 15:59:01
From: dv
ID: 2031617
Subject: re: Turkish politics

Peak Warming Man said:


According to the ABC it should be Türkiye.

I’m kicking it old school.

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Date: 17/05/2023 19:49:47
From: dv
ID: 2032401
Subject: re: Turkish politics

Perversely, Turkish citizens living in Germany are much more likely to vote for Erdogan than those living in Turkey.

In 2018, some 65% of German-resident Turks voted for Erdogan, compared to 53% of Turks in Turkey. 17% of Turks living in the US voted for Erdogan, 21% of UK Turks.

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Date: 19/05/2023 17:45:44
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2033207
Subject: re: Turkish politics

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Date: 23/05/2023 10:57:08
From: dv
ID: 2034428
Subject: re: Turkish politics

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/05/22/europe/turkey-ogan-erdogan-intl/index.html

Bad news.

Good news for Erdogan

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Date: 27/05/2023 23:40:19
From: dv
ID: 2036548
Subject: re: Turkish politics

The runoff election is tomorrow, between Kılıçdaroğlu and Erdogan.

Polls are pretty close.

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Date: 29/05/2023 00:39:39
From: dv
ID: 2037000
Subject: re: Turkish politics

Polls have closed, counting is underway, but there is an embargo on results for another hour

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Date: 29/05/2023 06:52:08
From: roughbarked
ID: 2037012
Subject: re: Turkish politics

dv said:


Polls have closed, counting is underway, but there is an embargo on results for another hour

Erdogan has claimed victory.

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Date: 29/05/2023 08:40:10
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2037025
Subject: re: Turkish politics

roughbarked said:


dv said:

Polls have closed, counting is underway, but there is an embargo on results for another hour

Erdogan has claimed victory.

He probably wrote that announcement back in March, or thereabouts.

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Date: 29/05/2023 08:47:38
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2037034
Subject: re: Turkish politics

captain_spalding said:


roughbarked said:

dv said:

Polls have closed, counting is underway, but there is an embargo on results for another hour

Erdogan has claimed victory.

He probably wrote that announcement back in March, or thereabouts.

Oh well. The Turkish people had a reasonably free and fair chance to oust him so they now deserve everything that they’ll get from now on.

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Date: 29/05/2023 10:48:04
From: dv
ID: 2037143
Subject: re: Turkish politics

captain_spalding said:


roughbarked said:

dv said:

Polls have closed, counting is underway, but there is an embargo on results for another hour

Erdogan has claimed victory.

He probably wrote that announcement back in March, or thereabouts.

Looks like he will get 52% or so.

On the bright side, his party lost about 28 seats in parliament.

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Date: 29/05/2023 10:54:24
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2037144
Subject: re: Turkish politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

Erdogan has claimed victory.

He probably wrote that announcement back in March, or thereabouts.

Oh well. The Turkish people had a reasonably free and fair chance to oust him so they now deserve everything that they’ll get from now on.

I imagine the activities to their North would lead quite a few to think they’d better keep a tough guy in power.

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Date: 29/05/2023 13:12:03
From: dv
ID: 2037195
Subject: re: Turkish politics

This is bad news for either Sweden or Kurdish activists. Turkey will probably continue to block Sweden’s entry into NATO unless they deport a number of Kurdish dissidents back to Turkey for trial.

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Date: 29/05/2023 13:16:08
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2037201
Subject: re: Turkish politics

Looks like the fascists in Greece have cemented their position.

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Date: 29/05/2023 15:31:21
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2037251
Subject: re: Turkish politics

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Date: 29/05/2023 15:37:00
From: Michael V
ID: 2037253
Subject: re: Turkish politics

captain_spalding said:



LOL

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Date: 29/05/2023 23:55:10
From: dv
ID: 2037444
Subject: re: Turkish politics

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Date: 20/03/2025 04:22:23
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2262519
Subject: re: Turkish politics

The main political rival of Türkiye’s long-serving leader Recep Tayyip Erdoğan has been arrested just days before he was due to become a presidential candidate.

Istanbul’s mayor Ekrem Imamoglu was detained by Turkish police on charges of corruption and aiding a terrorist group in what the country’s main opposition party on Wednesday called “a coup against our next president”

Mr Imamoglu, 54, who leads Mr Erdoğan in some opinion polls, was to be named his Republican People’s Party’s (CHP) official presidential candidate.

He faces two separate investigations that also include charges of leading a crime organisation, bribery and tender rigging.

A day earlier, Istanbul University invalidated Mr Imamoglu’s diploma, effectively disqualifying him from the next presidential race. A university degree is a requisite for running in elections under Turkish law.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-03-20/brk-main-opponent-of-turkiye-president-arrested/105073766

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Date: 16/05/2025 23:59:12
From: dv
ID: 2282783
Subject: re: Turkish politics

Appears the Turkish civil war is over, with Erdogan making some placatory noises towards the People’s Democratic Party (a party that mainly represents ethnic minorities in parliament particularly the Kurds) and the PKK agreeing to lay down arms and disband.
Potentially this will also take some of the heat off Syrian Kurdistan.

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