Date: 31/01/2023 13:46:04
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1988703
Subject: Covid Feb 2023

I spotted a huge jump in world deaths from Covid starting 15 Jan 2023.

As expected, it turned out to be China.

Daily deaths. The five countries with the highest number of Covid deaths on 15 Jan 2023
China 59,961 deaths (incl. Hong Kong)
Japan 415 deaths
Mexico 85 deaths
Thailand 65 deaths
New Zealand 44 deaths

Daily deaths. The countries with the highest number of Covid deaths on 21 Jan 2023
China 10,365 deaths
USA 586 deaths
Japan 397 deaths
Germany 133 deaths
Brazil 130 deaths
Italy 71 deaths
Spain 61 deaths

Another source, the CDC (according to the guardian), has 12,658 deaths in China then instead of that 10,365.

Numbers highly uncertain, as can be seen from the difference between 15 Jan and 21 Jan.

Daily deaths are given as zero in China on all other January days.

Perhaps that Chinese 10,365 is the sum over the previous six days, and that Chinese 59,961 is the sum since the start of the most decent wave.

From the Guardian newspaper: “the government’s official tally of about 72,000”

Equally likely is that all the Covid figures from all the countries are now total BS.

Let’s have a look at Japan, perhaps now the country with the most accurate data. Daily deaths.

Reply Quote

Date: 31/01/2023 14:00:40
From: Michael V
ID: 1988709
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Early.

Reply Quote

Date: 31/01/2023 14:03:19
From: roughbarked
ID: 1988713
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Duren’t matter. You could have waited that extra say.

Reply Quote

Date: 31/01/2023 19:11:43
From: Michael V
ID: 1988789
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-31/red-cross-says-all-countries-unprepared-for-next-pandemic/101909910

Reply Quote

Date: 31/01/2023 19:14:58
From: Michael V
ID: 1988791
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2023-01-31/three-years-covid-19-pandemic-virus-evolution-subvariants/101900226

Reply Quote

Date: 31/01/2023 19:55:24
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1988811
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Michael V said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2023-01-31/three-years-covid-19-pandemic-virus-evolution-subvariants/101900226

Here’s an idea¡

“We might have a situation where we can slowly but surely corner the virus into being less fit … and in that context, we’ll hopefully see the reproductive rate go down, so causes smaller waves, and puts less pressure on hospitals.”

wonder how they propose to do that, by letting it rip perhaps, or maybe by doing nothing, toss in some hopes and wishes and thoughts and prayers

Reply Quote

Date: 31/01/2023 19:58:25
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1988812
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Michael V said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-31/red-cross-says-all-countries-unprepared-for-next-pandemic/101909910

disagree, as has been demonstrated all cuntries have been perfectly well prepared to make any next pandemic a fucking disaster, the readiness with which everyone loves a deadly disabling disease is incontrovertible

Reply Quote

Date: 31/01/2023 20:26:11
From: transition
ID: 1988815
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Michael V said:


https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2023-01-31/three-years-covid-19-pandemic-virus-evolution-subvariants/101900226

that is, well terrible comes to mind, reads like religion, to me

Reply Quote

Date: 31/01/2023 22:14:49
From: ms spock
ID: 1988855
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

https://youtu.be/jJKWxNnKx0M

Reply Quote

Date: 1/02/2023 03:57:16
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1988901
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-31/nsw-telestroke-service-healthcare-regional/101910042

Reply Quote

Date: 1/02/2023 04:43:56
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1988904
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

ahahahahahahahaha

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2023.01.22.23284884v1

you know you love it

Reply Quote

Date: 1/02/2023 08:35:06
From: transition
ID: 1988910
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

ahahahahahahahaha

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2023.01.22.23284884v1

you know you love it

am reads, reads the assembled letters, the alphabet code, decodes, each word, and the sentences of words, the relationship between the words, reads them left to right mostly as is customary, gets a gist, a gist that starts with what it might mean, or could mean, of which some aspects I may not know, so some study of my ignorances in progress, some work patching it

Reply Quote

Date: 1/02/2023 12:20:01
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 1988994
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Perhaps of interest.

Compound derived from B.C. sea sponge could block COVID-19 virus, researchers find.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-sea-sponge-covid19-coronavirus-treatment-1.6708625”

Reply Quote

Date: 1/02/2023 12:29:36
From: ms spock
ID: 1989001
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Spiny Norman said:


Perhaps of interest.

Compound derived from B.C. sea sponge could block COVID-19 virus, researchers find.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-sea-sponge-covid19-coronavirus-treatment-1.6708625”

Sterilising nasal vaccination is my hope and dream! This would be amazing!

Reply Quote

Date: 1/02/2023 12:30:41
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1989002
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

imagine evolution

Reply Quote

Date: 1/02/2023 12:31:06
From: roughbarked
ID: 1989003
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

ms spock said:


Spiny Norman said:

Perhaps of interest.

Compound derived from B.C. sea sponge could block COVID-19 virus, researchers find.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-sea-sponge-covid19-coronavirus-treatment-1.6708625”

Sterilising nasal vaccination is my hope and dream! This would be amazing!

Rushes out to stick sponges up my nose.

Reply Quote

Date: 1/02/2023 12:31:35
From: roughbarked
ID: 1989004
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:


imagine evolution

Imagine that.

Reply Quote

Date: 1/02/2023 12:34:09
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1989006
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:


imagine evolution

Yep, it has a beginning and an ending.

Reply Quote

Date: 1/02/2023 12:34:13
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1989007
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

roughbarked said:

ms spock said:

Spiny Norman said:

Perhaps of interest.

Compound derived from B.C. sea sponge could block COVID-19 virus, researchers find.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-sea-sponge-covid19-coronavirus-treatment-1.6708625”

Sterilising nasal vaccination is my hope and dream! This would be amazing!

Rushes out to stick sponges up my nose.

guess what imagine if there was some kind of compound or family of compounds that could be spun into fine threads and laminated in a way that a flexible sheet of it would fit nicely over the lump that everyone has on their neck and cover the air holes in that lump to block fine particulates yet not block small essential molecules oh damn such a magical substance and device exists

Reply Quote

Date: 1/02/2023 12:34:32
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1989008
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

imagine evolution

Imagine that.

what happened with it

Reply Quote

Date: 1/02/2023 12:34:54
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1989009
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Tau.Neutrino said:

SCIENCE said:

imagine evolution

Yep, it has a beginning and an ending.

what is the ending

Reply Quote

Date: 1/02/2023 12:35:35
From: Arts
ID: 1989010
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

ms spock said:

Sterilising nasal vaccination is my hope and dream! This would be amazing!

Rushes out to stick sponges up my nose.

guess what imagine if there was some kind of compound or family of compounds that could be spun into fine threads and laminated in a way that a flexible sheet of it would fit nicely over the lump that everyone has on their neck and cover the air holes in that lump to block fine particulates yet not block small essential molecules oh damn such a magical substance and device exists

sounds complicated…

Reply Quote

Date: 1/02/2023 12:35:56
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1989011
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

SCIENCE said:

imagine evolution

Yep, it has a beginning and an ending.

what is the ending

Like it was before the beginning.

Reply Quote

Date: 1/02/2023 12:42:50
From: ms spock
ID: 1989017
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

roughbarked said:


ms spock said:

Spiny Norman said:

Perhaps of interest.

Compound derived from B.C. sea sponge could block COVID-19 virus, researchers find.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-sea-sponge-covid19-coronavirus-treatment-1.6708625”

Sterilising nasal vaccination is my hope and dream! This would be amazing!

Rushes out to stick sponges up my nose.

Reply Quote

Date: 1/02/2023 17:59:19
From: ms spock
ID: 1989172
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

I will be posting this on Twitter today…

As the COVID-19 pandemic continues unabated, many governments and public-health bodies worldwide have ceased to implement concerted measures for limiting viral spread, placing the onus instead on the individual. In this paper, we examine the feasibility of this proposition using an agent-based model to simulate the impact of individual shielding behaviors on reinfection frequency. We derive estimates of heterogeneity in immune protection from a population pharmacokinetic (pop PK) model of antibody kinetics following infection and variation in contact rate based on published estimates. Our results suggest that individuals seeking to opt out of adverse outcomes upon SARS-CoV-2 infection will find it challenging to do so, as large reductions in contact rate are required to reduce the risk of infection. Our findings suggest the importance of a multilayered strategy for those seeking to reduce the risk of infection. This work also suggests the importance of public health interventions such as universal masking in essential venues and air quality standards to ensure individual freedom of choice regarding COVID-19.

I lost the doi! Damn it!

Has anyone else read this one? Any one got the doi?

I was pulled over by the police, for a breath testing, so I jumped out of the car and ran up to the fence. I said I can’t do it. I can go and get a blood test but I can’t take my mask off. The police officer said she gets tested daily. I said that’s great but I can’t take my mask off. So she handed to me and I said you took the plastic off that. So she gave me one in a plastic container which I opened and then used hand santiser to clean the main part of the machinary in this situation. She said that will alter the tests. So I said where to you want me to go and get a blood test. She just said off you go!

Everyone says you go and do you. You can wear a mask if you want to without taking into account the many, many instances where this was not true.

Reply Quote

Date: 1/02/2023 19:32:22
From: transition
ID: 1989266
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

ms spock said:

I will be posting this on Twitter today…

As the COVID-19 pandemic continues unabated, many governments and public-health bodies worldwide have ceased to implement concerted measures for limiting viral spread, placing the onus instead on the individual. In this paper, we examine the feasibility of this proposition using an agent-based model to simulate the impact of individual shielding behaviors on reinfection frequency. We derive estimates of heterogeneity in immune protection from a population pharmacokinetic (pop PK) model of antibody kinetics following infection and variation in contact rate based on published estimates. Our results suggest that individuals seeking to opt out of adverse outcomes upon SARS-CoV-2 infection will find it challenging to do so, as large reductions in contact rate are required to reduce the risk of infection. Our findings suggest the importance of a multilayered strategy for those seeking to reduce the risk of infection. This work also suggests the importance of public health interventions such as universal masking in essential venues and air quality standards to ensure individual freedom of choice regarding COVID-19.

I lost the doi! Damn it!

Has anyone else read this one? Any one got the doi?

I was pulled over by the police, for a breath testing, so I jumped out of the car and ran up to the fence. I said I can’t do it. I can go and get a blood test but I can’t take my mask off. The police officer said she gets tested daily. I said that’s great but I can’t take my mask off. So she handed to me and I said you took the plastic off that. So she gave me one in a plastic container which I opened and then used hand santiser to clean the main part of the machinary in this situation. She said that will alter the tests. So I said where to you want me to go and get a blood test. She just said off you go!

Everyone says you go and do you. You can wear a mask if you want to without taking into account the many, many instances where this was not true.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2023.01.22.23284884v1

could be from link in post …..8904, and 8910 above in this thread

without looking too hard, read it earlier

Reply Quote

Date: 1/02/2023 19:34:24
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1989268
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Fuck Lockdowns¡

The capsule was found by a team from the Australian Nuclear Science and Technology Organisation and the Department of Fire and Emergency Services. Fire and Emergency Services Commissioner, Darren Klemm, said the capsule was found two metres from the side of the road. He said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.

An urgent public warning was issued after the caesium-137 capsule was reported missing on January 25 when it apparently fell off a truck transporting it from a Rio Tinto mine to Perth. It vanished between January 11 and January 16, but its loss was not reported for more than a week.

Dr Robertson said it was a great result the capsule had been found because although it was tiny, it “did pose a significant public health risk”.

Fuck Masks¡

Reply Quote

Date: 1/02/2023 20:10:13
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1989273
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

Fuck Lockdowns¡

Fuck Masks¡

fkn CHINA this is all CHINA’s fault

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-01/australian-recession-risk-on-the-rise/101916388

Reply Quote

Date: 1/02/2023 20:16:37
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1989274
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

Fuck Lockdowns¡

The capsule was found by a team from the Australian Nuclear Science and Technology Organisation and the Department of Fire and Emergency Services. Fire and Emergency Services Commissioner, Darren Klemm, said the capsule was found two metres from the side of the road. He said a search vehicle was driving past at 70 kilometres per hour on the Great Northern Highway when a detection device revealed radiation.

An urgent public warning was issued after the caesium-137 capsule was reported missing on January 25 when it apparently fell off a truck transporting it from a Rio Tinto mine to Perth. It vanished between January 11 and January 16, but its loss was not reported for more than a week.

Dr Robertson said it was a great result the capsule had been found because although it was tiny, it “did pose a significant public health risk”.

Fuck Masks¡

They found the capsule.

Good news.

Reply Quote

Date: 1/02/2023 20:58:51
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1989285
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

guess immunity debt is stronger than prohibition doesn’t work then

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-01/nt-alice-springs-hospital-alcohol-bans-presentations-spike/101916258

Reply Quote

Date: 1/02/2023 21:31:08
From: transition
ID: 1989293
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

guess immunity debt is stronger than prohibition doesn’t work then

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-01/nt-alice-springs-hospital-alcohol-bans-presentations-spike/101916258

watch something on the TV about that, didn’t impress me much, the message, tied it into all sorts

my message would be don’t bother with alcohol, good for rocket fuel and sterilizing, white man made an industry out of it long ago, happy to sell it in any quantity to anyone to make money

go bushwalking instead, do something else, anything

Reply Quote

Date: 1/02/2023 21:41:20
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1989297
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

wait did some genius on here once say shots every 4 months or so

dog nmad

Reply Quote

Date: 1/02/2023 21:50:55
From: transition
ID: 1989301
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

wait did some genius on here once say shots every 4 months or so

dog nmad

fairly much relying on regular exposure for boost now

get yourself some free sequelae, build up some vulnerability crosseyed derrr

gov making noises about another booster, keeps it all sweet, off the hook for any public stupid

like a random covid firing squad out there

we luvs a gamble

Reply Quote

Date: 2/02/2023 04:05:41
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1989343
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Reply Quote

Date: 2/02/2023 04:07:10
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1989344
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

nah it’s good, everyone in the same boat can start hitting that point together, it’s a great sign

Reply Quote

Date: 2/02/2023 04:11:36
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1989345
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2023.01.25.23285014v1.full

Reply Quote

Date: 2/02/2023 19:12:36
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1989775
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-02/child-dies-after-left-in-hot-car-at-glenfield-south-west-sydney/101923824

Reply Quote

Date: 2/02/2023 20:34:49
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1989854
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

LOL

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/mass-death-of-seals-raises-fears-bird-flu-is-jumping-between-mammals-threatening-new-pandemic-2121376

Reply Quote

Date: 2/02/2023 21:00:07
From: ms spock
ID: 1989873
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

LOL

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/mass-death-of-seals-raises-fears-bird-flu-is-jumping-between-mammals-threatening-new-pandemic-2121376

OH GAWD NÍL!

(OH GAWD NO!)

Reply Quote

Date: 2/02/2023 21:23:42
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1989882
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

fun incoming

https://twitter.com/1goodtern/status/1620380582940409856

Reply Quote

Date: 2/02/2023 21:27:05
From: ms spock
ID: 1989884
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

fun incoming

https://twitter.com/1goodtern/status/1620380582940409856


Beligum has legislated for clean air

Link

Link

Reply Quote

Date: 2/02/2023 21:28:38
From: ms spock
ID: 1989885
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Even the minimisers are now saying Covid is effecting children’s immune systems?

Of course no one could have ever known!

https://twitter.com/1goodtern/status/1620380590829883396

Reply Quote

Date: 2/02/2023 21:37:20
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1989889
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

ms spock said:

Even the minimisers are now saying Covid is effecting children’s immune systems?

Of course no one could have ever known!

https://twitter.com/1goodtern/status/1620380590829883396

yeah just over the past several days we got a feeling that ever since the super rich and powerful grifters at Davos were revealed to be benefiting from clean air, it seemed like the bullshit had decreased / fragmented

Reply Quote

Date: 2/02/2023 21:43:25
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1989890
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023





https://twitter.com/JonathanCOnP/status/1620184921108267016

Reply Quote

Date: 2/02/2023 22:02:57
From: ms spock
ID: 1989892
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:





https://twitter.com/JonathanCOnP/status/1620184921108267016

It’s a special type of racism to ignore our Asia neigbours and their successes with masks, ventilation, social distancing, air purifiers and all their classrooms being deep cleaned each day.

Some of my Taiwanese friends, even the small kids wear masks, splatter screens when they eat, no lock downs, no illness, so waves of sickness in schools and home and back to schools. Mechnical ventilation, air purifers, etc Each Taiwanese is entitled to two free masks per week, and they have an app that works so they can go where their mask size is, children get more masks and children with intellectual disabilities with challenges with masks can have as many as they want. They drew designs on them and enjoyed that. As everyone masks, no one screams “The pandemic is over as you walk down the street.” Taiwan had a pandemic offices that prepared for 16 years for this pandemic.

Their RATS are quick and much more accurate. Their experience of Covid is so different to Australians experience of Covid but their media and politicians talk very differently about Covid than our Australian lot. Australian parents are going to be livid when they realise how much was known about children by Prof Raina MacIntyre in April 2020. I feel for them.

But there’s no point arguing. We just haveto watch folks crash and burn when it is all so preventable.

Reply Quote

Date: 2/02/2023 22:26:43
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1989896
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Dark Money


https://twitter.com/AlastairMcA30/status/1618295784277159937

Reply Quote

Date: 2/02/2023 22:31:53
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1989898
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

We told everybody that this would happen and we were right.
https://twitter.com/PoorColby/status/1620205434824163330

Reply Quote

Date: 2/02/2023 23:24:32
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1989909
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Sounds Promising
https://twitter.com/ActuaryByDay/status/1620768458173739008

Reply Quote

Date: 2/02/2023 23:24:54
From: transition
ID: 1989910
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

how’s the plague going, the mass poisoning on repeat

Reply Quote

Date: 3/02/2023 00:16:50
From: ms spock
ID: 1989920
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

Dark Money


https://twitter.com/AlastairMcA30/status/1618295784277159937

Yep

Reply Quote

Date: 3/02/2023 11:53:11
From: ms spock
ID: 1989994
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Face coverings and mask to minimise droplet dispersion and aerosolisation: a video case study

http://orcid.org/0000-0002-0978-2286Prateek Bahl1, http://orcid.org/0000-0003-1241-641XShovon Bhattacharjee2, Charitha de Silva1, Abrar Ahmad Chughtai3, Con Doolan1, C Raina MacIntyre2 Correspondence to Mr Prateek Bahl, School of Mechanical and Manufacturing Engineering, UNSW, Sydney, NSW 2052, Australia; prateek.bahl@protonmail.com; Professor C Raina MacIntyre, Biosecurity Program, The Kirby Institute, UNSW, Sydney, NSW 2052, Australia; rainam@protonmail.com

http://dx.doi.org/10.1136/thoraxjnl-2020-215748

Reply Quote

Date: 3/02/2023 13:55:21
From: transition
ID: 1990036
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/feb/03/deaths-from-covid-in-australian-aged-care-pass-5000-after-monthly-fatalities-double-in-january?

wondered for a moment if a lot of humans might have some narcissistic potentials, perhaps the we all has some negational math savant abilities, indulges the secret shared joy of abstraction, mind tools that way, putting whatever conceptually over there, what I read of WW2 flashed through my mind, gypsies, gays etc, those least ideologically ‘fit’, those made vulnerable by (legitimized) indifference looking for something to land on

but whatever, apparently the culture requires a good dose of indifference to do whatever it does, the way it does, in the service of capitalism I guess, some darwinian territory that might be, wouldn’t want anything getting in the way of that and its press agents

but of course there are no narcissistic darwinian arseholes in the world, infecting even the good people, that might otherwise be, I made that up

few unconcluded thoughts above is all, the work of my neuron, and who knows how minds work, of the good work of instinct blindness, who wants to know, have conscience penetrate that deep, potentially inconveniently, ruin your freedom and equilibrium mental state

Reply Quote

Date: 3/02/2023 16:44:32
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1990144
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-02/child-dies-after-left-in-hot-car-at-glenfield-south-west-sydney/101923824

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-03/nsw-tributes-to-toddler-who-died-in-car/101925542

Kidsafe executive officer Christine Erskine said the heat inside a car can double the outside temperature in just 15 minutes.

damn even for the smallest rise it’s pretty impressive, -89.2 °C to 94.75 °C in 15 minutes, even our kitchen oven probably couldn’t do that

Reply Quote

Date: 3/02/2023 16:48:34
From: Cymek
ID: 1990146
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-02/child-dies-after-left-in-hot-car-at-glenfield-south-west-sydney/101923824

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-03/nsw-tributes-to-toddler-who-died-in-car/101925542

Kidsafe executive officer Christine Erskine said the heat inside a car can double the outside temperature in just 15 minutes.

damn even for the smallest rise it’s pretty impressive, -89.2 °C to 94.75 °C in 15 minutes, even our kitchen oven probably couldn’t do that

Like an oven aren’t they cars, metal and glass to concentrate all the heat into the inside

Reply Quote

Date: 3/02/2023 16:55:28
From: Arts
ID: 1990149
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-02/child-dies-after-left-in-hot-car-at-glenfield-south-west-sydney/101923824

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-03/nsw-tributes-to-toddler-who-died-in-car/101925542

Kidsafe executive officer Christine Erskine said the heat inside a car can double the outside temperature in just 15 minutes.

damn even for the smallest rise it’s pretty impressive, -89.2 °C to 94.75 °C in 15 minutes, even our kitchen oven probably couldn’t do that

I can’t believe this is still a thing that happens… didn’t the 80’s teach us anything?

Reply Quote

Date: 3/02/2023 16:58:13
From: Cymek
ID: 1990152
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Arts said:


SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-02/child-dies-after-left-in-hot-car-at-glenfield-south-west-sydney/101923824

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-03/nsw-tributes-to-toddler-who-died-in-car/101925542

Kidsafe executive officer Christine Erskine said the heat inside a car can double the outside temperature in just 15 minutes.

damn even for the smallest rise it’s pretty impressive, -89.2 °C to 94.75 °C in 15 minutes, even our kitchen oven probably couldn’t do that

I can’t believe this is still a thing that happens… didn’t the 80’s teach us anything?

You’d think so.

Reply Quote

Date: 3/02/2023 17:24:22
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1990171
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

LOL

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/more-sports/swifts-hit-with-covid-outbreak-ahead-of-preseason/video/83410caf654473ca8efe6fb2a5644431

Super Netball: The Swifts lead in to the 2023 season has been less than ideal, with the team being hit with a COVID outbreak ahead of preseason.

Reply Quote

Date: 4/02/2023 01:01:27
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1990308
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

LOL genius totally not fallacious nor fake

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/feb/02/im-a-doctor-and-i-dont-like-wearing-masks-at-work-does-that-make-me-selfish

It is rare for me to disagree with George Monbiot

I am against the ongoing requirement

for the simple reason that there appears to be no concept of when it will end

I wish to be able to connect with the people around me

Transmission of respiratory pathogens has always occurred

social connection has been sacrificed permanently

why are only healthcare workers doing it

converse with people we can see

Jack Pickard
Paediatric intensive care doctor, London

Reply Quote

Date: 4/02/2023 01:07:32
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1990310
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

oooh nice

Reply Quote

Date: 4/02/2023 02:11:58
From: dv
ID: 1990319
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Bloody hell, my list is in the header links. I’m going to have to take updating it seriously.

Reply Quote

Date: 4/02/2023 02:17:08
From: sibeen
ID: 1990320
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

dv said:


Bloody hell, my list is in the header links. I’m going to have to take updating it seriously.

I’m normally not one to complain, nor to call out fault; but I have been biting my tongue in this case.

Reply Quote

Date: 4/02/2023 02:45:54
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1990325
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

sibeen said:

dv said:

Bloody hell, my list is in the header links. I’m going to have to take updating it seriously.

I’m normally not one to complain, nor to call out fault; but I have been biting my tongue in this case.

see we fucking told yousall, solar PV is dirty AF and almost twice as bad as dirty biomass, more than 3 times worse than good stuff

Reply Quote

Date: 4/02/2023 03:33:11
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1990341
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

nah

Reply Quote

Date: 4/02/2023 03:33:28
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1990343
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

nah


damn apologies so much glitches recent

Reply Quote

Date: 4/02/2023 03:38:09
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1990344
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

much glitches

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.122.060632

Reply Quote

Date: 4/02/2023 04:04:49
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1990353
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

luckily we’re ugly as fuck, the ugliest in the world, and

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2023.1084941/full

as they say, everyone knows that masks actually make people more attractive than people who consider themselves attractive

so we win

(actually we lose because we don’t want stalkers being attracted to us)

actually fuck we got that all wrong and we’re wearing respirators

fuck

Reply Quote

Date: 4/02/2023 07:40:14
From: transition
ID: 1990372
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

luckily we’re ugly as fuck, the ugliest in the world, and

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2023.1084941/full

as they say, everyone knows that masks actually make people more attractive than people who consider themselves attractive

so we win

(actually we lose because we don’t want stalkers being attracted to us)

actually fuck we got that all wrong and we’re wearing respirators

fuck

perhaps they could now do a study regard how attractive the home in the head feels for those enduring long covid, test their psychology, psychological intentions

Reply Quote

Date: 4/02/2023 14:47:43
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1990503
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

LOL this is fucking genius¡

no worries

Reply Quote

Date: 4/02/2023 15:54:05
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1990515
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

about death data

https://twitter.com/greg_travis/status/1621582491663454208

Reply Quote

Date: 4/02/2023 15:55:59
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1990516
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

oooh goody

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/biosecurity-issues/who-continues-global-polio-emergency-breach-noted-dutch-vaccine-facility

Reply Quote

Date: 4/02/2023 15:59:48
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1990517
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

¡ oh look they made influenza infinitely safe !


https://twitter.com/AOgieglo/status/1621361402731438083

Reply Quote

Date: 5/02/2023 08:34:33
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1990649
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-05/mental-health-checks-for-gun-owners-in-wa/101923596

Twenty people died from gunshot wounds in the state last year, and Police Minister Paul Papalia said mental health issues were involved in at least half of those deaths.

Reply Quote

Date: 5/02/2023 10:36:51
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1990702
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

yeah but that’s because nobody dies of SARACAIDS-CoV, there aren’t any memorials for it


https://twitter.com/DecorumManager/status/1621235225563897856

Reply Quote

Date: 5/02/2023 11:42:53
From: transition
ID: 1990755
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

yeah but that’s because nobody dies of SARACAIDS-CoV, there aren’t any memorials for it


https://twitter.com/DecorumManager/status/1621235225563897856

the world is so debted up now, on the precipice of a serious global economic crash, a collapse, obliviousness abounds, along with indifference to keep that working, doubt reality has much utility meanwhile

distortion on top of distortion to keep the bullshit working

i’m sure the technocrats and big money has an answer, a fix, you’ll be presented with the threat of a dystopian scenario where governments can no longer fund things, do their job, and the former are waiting, helping

Reply Quote

Date: 6/02/2023 01:10:34
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1991034
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

The Good News Is They Aren’t Dying Of COVID-19, Just … Wait

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/kolkata/kolkata-chickenpox-deaths-worry-doctors/articleshow/97561713.cms

In most patients, chickenpox causes itchy skin rashes and painful blisters, accompanied by fever. After Covid, however, doctors are seeing an increasing number of patients with brain and lung involvement — leading to encephalitis and pneumonia — complications that are not new, but rare. “The number of affected as well as fatalities is unusually high this time,” a health official said. “But those who succumbed to the infection were mostly the elderly and those battling several comorbidities,” he added.

nice twist at the end there, it’s good to kill the old and infirm

Reply Quote

Date: 6/02/2023 09:11:08
From: transition
ID: 1991081
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

The Good News Is They Aren’t Dying Of COVID-19, Just … Wait

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/kolkata/kolkata-chickenpox-deaths-worry-doctors/articleshow/97561713.cms

In most patients, chickenpox causes itchy skin rashes and painful blisters, accompanied by fever. After Covid, however, doctors are seeing an increasing number of patients with brain and lung involvement — leading to encephalitis and pneumonia — complications that are not new, but rare. “The number of affected as well as fatalities is unusually high this time,” a health official said. “But those who succumbed to the infection were mostly the elderly and those battling several comorbidities,” he added.

nice twist at the end there, it’s good to kill the old and infirm

‘medicine’ gravitating toward the darwinian-appropriate noises, in the service of ideological fitness

I remember chickenpox, late twenties my first, fucken near killed me, felt like

ill as ill, went unconscious going to or coming out the toilet, having a fit I was, thrashing around on the tiled floor, head back, eyes rolled back, teeth clenched, like an epileptic fit, lady near called the ambulance

eldest kid had pox up his arse, he was screaming in pain, lady rang the hospital

it was a house of hell misery

Reply Quote

Date: 6/02/2023 10:38:34
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1991091
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-06/at-least-24-dead-in-chile-as-wildfires-expand/101934136

Reply Quote

Date: 6/02/2023 11:41:19
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1991101
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

awkward

Reply Quote

Date: 6/02/2023 22:58:50
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1991290
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

just to be clear we’re still P2ing it up and keeping the village safe

and now for yousr critical inspection, something we call

Disinformation Is Going Mainstream

https://maryannedemasi.substack.com/p/exclusive-lead-author-of-new-cochrane

again, to be clear: the “evidence-based medicine” idea is by now clearly twisted and unfit for purpose

Reply Quote

Date: 6/02/2023 23:01:53
From: ms spock
ID: 1991292
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

just to be clear we’re still P2ing it up and keeping the village safe

and now for yousr critical inspection, something we call

Disinformation Is Going Mainstream

https://maryannedemasi.substack.com/p/exclusive-lead-author-of-new-cochrane

again, to be clear: the “evidence-based medicine” idea is by now clearly twisted and unfit for purpose

It’s a special type of racism to ignore the success with masks with our Asian neighbours.

—————————————————————————-

I wrote a long reply to two of buffy’s posts and now I have lost them. Bummer!

Reply Quote

Date: 6/02/2023 23:31:40
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1991306
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

“full recovery”


https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mumbai/mumbai-doctors-see-rise-in-coughing-bouts-after-viral-illness-more-in-kids/articleshow/97630407.cms?from=mdr

absurd

Reply Quote

Date: 6/02/2023 23:40:35
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1991311
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

good luck

disclaimer we’ve never been to this hospital

Reply Quote

Date: 6/02/2023 23:45:29
From: sibeen
ID: 1991312
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

good luck

disclaimer we’ve never been to this hospital

Well, as long as we’re not relying on any anecdotal evidence.

Reply Quote

Date: 6/02/2023 23:48:54
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1991313
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

sibeen said:


SCIENCE said:

good luck

disclaimer we’ve never been to this hospital

Well, as long as we’re not relying on any anecdotal evidence.

I just told her that!

Reply Quote

Date: 6/02/2023 23:55:59
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1991316
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

proof that dirty LABOR and UNIONS and CHINA are all the same COMMUNISTS and wait

https://www.australianunions.org.au/campaign/covid-aware/

Reply Quote

Date: 6/02/2023 23:56:29
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1991317
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

JudgeMental said:

sibeen said:

SCIENCE said:

good luck

disclaimer we’ve never been to this hospital

Well, as long as we’re not relying on any anecdotal evidence.

I just told her that!

anecdotal evidence

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-26/united-states-school-warned-three-times-that-boy-had-gun/101895520

Reply Quote

Date: 7/02/2023 09:22:33
From: ms spock
ID: 1991352
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

“full recovery”


https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mumbai/mumbai-doctors-see-rise-in-coughing-bouts-after-viral-illness-more-in-kids/articleshow/97630407.cms?from=mdr

absurd

I was talking to my skin specialist and his mother-in-law, also a doctor, was on a ventilator for a couple of months. It cost $3,300 per day to be on the ventilator. Everyone in his family is a doctor, everyone in his wife’s family is a doctor. He said so many Indian doctors that teach have died, they are not sure how the next generation will be taught medicine. That there will be big gaps in knowledge.

Reply Quote

Date: 7/02/2023 09:28:40
From: ms spock
ID: 1991356
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

good luck

disclaimer we’ve never been to this hospital

So people with disabilities who need ongoing medical hospital treatment are going to hospital and getting Covid and dying – and there was decades of life expectancy that was lost due to Covid. Then there people with disabilities not going to hospital, and they are dying because they are not receiving ongoing medical treatment. There’s so many dead now it is not possible to keep count. A generation of people who advocated from the position of lived experience for those who also have disabilities is being lost. Some of those folks could read a 300 page document from the government and find the 8 paragraphs that you need to address in your submission they are gone.

Same in LGBTIQQA+ communities so many folks being lost because they have ongoing disabilities or health issues that require treatment that they are putting off, and those with HIV, are now so vulnerable even on all the drugs. I didn’t think we could have another AIDs epidemic and lose so many more of the communities. It’s truly shocking.

So I am going for denial. It’s just too hard to deal with. We are losing so many vulnerable people. My Taiwanese friends are astounded we are letting this happen, and that Australians don’t wear masks. I can’t explain it to them.

Reply Quote

Date: 7/02/2023 09:34:09
From: ms spock
ID: 1991358
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

sibeen said:


SCIENCE said:

good luck

disclaimer we’ve never been to this hospital

Well, as long as we’re not relying on any anecdotal evidence.

The excess deaths will take some time to sort out, but I guess once people starting dying in people’s actual social circles it might become something worth exploring?

Reply Quote

Date: 7/02/2023 09:51:34
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1991377
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

ms spock said:

SCIENCE said:

“full recovery”


https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mumbai/mumbai-doctors-see-rise-in-coughing-bouts-after-viral-illness-more-in-kids/articleshow/97630407.cms?from=mdr

absurd

I was talking to my skin specialist and his mother-in-law, also a doctor, was on a ventilator for a couple of months. It cost $3,300 per day to be on the ventilator. Everyone in his family is a doctor, everyone in his wife’s family is a doctor. He said so many Indian doctors that teach have died, they are not sure how the next generation will be taught medicine. That there will be big gaps in knowledge.

right but not to worry The Economy Must Grew in the short term, we can leave that decades-long issue for the next lot

seriously though the new paradigm of “personal responsibility and preferences-not-expertise” means that a whole new medical education framework will be necessary anyway

we didn’t mean a good framework

Reply Quote

Date: 7/02/2023 10:30:12
From: ms spock
ID: 1991395
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

ms spock said:

SCIENCE said:

“full recovery”


https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mumbai/mumbai-doctors-see-rise-in-coughing-bouts-after-viral-illness-more-in-kids/articleshow/97630407.cms?from=mdr

absurd

I was talking to my skin specialist and his mother-in-law, also a doctor, was on a ventilator for a couple of months. It cost $3,300 per day to be on the ventilator. Everyone in his family is a doctor, everyone in his wife’s family is a doctor. He said so many Indian doctors that teach have died, they are not sure how the next generation will be taught medicine. That there will be big gaps in knowledge.

right but not to worry The Economy Must Grew in the short term, we can leave that decades-long issue for the next lot

seriously though the new paradigm of “personal responsibility and preferences-not-expertise” means that a whole new medical education framework will be necessary anyway

we didn’t mean a good framework

I cried about this and other things a lot yesterday morning.

You cannot manage a pandemic with personal responsibility. I don’t live in the Australia I grew up in, and I did have a crappy time but at least Public Health was Public Health, with AIDS they did do public health campaigns, with so many things they did public health campaigns.

The confusion over masks even thought Prof Raina MacIntyre did all that research, and the success of our Asian neighbours. This misinformation from people like Leigh Sales. I stopped watching our media because it was ridiculous. Is it because Prof Raina MacIntyre is a POC that she wasn’t taken seriously. She said her treatment by the media was such that she went back to mainly doing research.

Professor Kim Woo-joo from Korea University Guro Hospital is one of the world’s infectious disease experts and yet is it because he is Asian he didn’t make it into the Australian media?

The economists can do maths and expotential growth – the economy is hurt by letting Covid rip as people just stay home.
https://theconversation.com/why-most-economists-continue-to-back-lockdowns-164239

Scott Morrison didn’t give a fuck if we lived or died, and that was honest. But Albo turning up without modelling best practice, my heart is broken. And the shock from people with disabilities, in queer communities, some First Nations Elders I have spoken to is immense and huge. Albo hasn’t even ordered enough of the different vaccines. All my friends overseas can get bivalent vaccines, and they are available to anyone who wants them. But I can’t get one.

Anyway I just mask and keep away from people. I am too tired now.

And third world countries that haven’t even got a chance to even get their first vaccination. Pakistan which had the floods, Syria with it’s war and now an earthquake. I shouldn’t complain.

I had a friend that worked high up in in Public Health and she said in around 2006 that Australian politicians were dismantling our public health systems. Harm reduction was being thrown on the scarp heap. I didn’t understand.

I do understand that they are trying to important an American health system so folks can make a lot of money out of that.

I think a lot of people are in a haze of shock, confusion and feeling so betrayed. But the people with disabilities don’t matter so much the queers don’t matter so much and the First Nations don’t matter so much.

In America Covid has caused deaths in disproportionately Brown, Black, people with disabilities, First Nations and immunocompromised peoples.

Everyone says “You can mask, if you want to” without taking into account, how much and how often you will be yelled at, abused and people coming up and coughing on you. That you have to take your mask off if you are breath tested, go to the dentist, have a medical procedure or go under anesthetic.

Reply Quote

Date: 7/02/2023 11:29:58
From: transition
ID: 1991412
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

“full recovery”


https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mumbai/mumbai-doctors-see-rise-in-coughing-bouts-after-viral-illness-more-in-kids/articleshow/97630407.cms?from=mdr

absurd

prolonged derrr sound crosseyes

comprehensive writeup, gets right to’t, like they have no lab to work out what the pathogens are, gone backwards forty years or something

did something get vanished

Reply Quote

Date: 7/02/2023 15:22:29
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1991537
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

ms spock said:

SCIENCE said:

ms spock said:

I was talking to my skin specialist and his mother-in-law, also a doctor, was on a ventilator for a couple of months. It cost $3,300 per day to be on the ventilator. Everyone in his family is a doctor, everyone in his wife’s family is a doctor. He said so many Indian doctors that teach have died, they are not sure how the next generation will be taught medicine. That there will be big gaps in knowledge.

right but not to worry The Economy Must Grew in the short term, we can leave that decades-long issue for the next lot

seriously though the new paradigm of “personal responsibility and preferences-not-expertise” means that a whole new medical education framework will be necessary anyway

we didn’t mean a good framework

I cried about this and other things a lot yesterday morning.

You cannot manage a pandemic with personal responsibility. I don’t live in the Australia I grew up in, and I did have a crappy time but at least Public Health was Public Health, with AIDS they did do public health campaigns, with so many things they did public health campaigns.

The confusion over masks even thought Prof Raina MacIntyre did all that research, and the success of our Asian neighbours. This misinformation from people like Leigh Sales. I stopped watching our media because it was ridiculous. Is it because Prof Raina MacIntyre is a POC that she wasn’t taken seriously. She said her treatment by the media was such that she went back to mainly doing research.

Professor Kim Woo-joo from Korea University Guro Hospital is one of the world’s infectious disease experts and yet is it because he is Asian he didn’t make it into the Australian media?

The economists can do maths and expotential growth – the economy is hurt by letting Covid rip as people just stay home.
https://theconversation.com/why-most-economists-continue-to-back-lockdowns-164239

Scott Morrison didn’t give a fuck if we lived or died, and that was honest. But Albo turning up without modelling best practice, my heart is broken. And the shock from people with disabilities, in queer communities, some First Nations Elders I have spoken to is immense and huge. Albo hasn’t even ordered enough of the different vaccines. All my friends overseas can get bivalent vaccines, and they are available to anyone who wants them. But I can’t get one.

Anyway I just mask and keep away from people. I am too tired now.

And third world countries that haven’t even got a chance to even get their first vaccination. Pakistan which had the floods, Syria with it’s war and now an earthquake. I shouldn’t complain.

I had a friend that worked high up in in Public Health and she said in around 2006 that Australian politicians were dismantling our public health systems. Harm reduction was being thrown on the scarp heap. I didn’t understand.

I do understand that they are trying to important an American health system so folks can make a lot of money out of that.

I think a lot of people are in a haze of shock, confusion and feeling so betrayed. But the people with disabilities don’t matter so much the queers don’t matter so much and the First Nations don’t matter so much.

In America Covid has caused deaths in disproportionately Brown, Black, people with disabilities, First Nations and immunocompromised peoples.

Everyone says “You can mask, if you want to” without taking into account, how much and how often you will be yelled at, abused and people coming up and coughing on you. That you have to take your mask off if you are breath tested, go to the dentist, have a medical procedure or go under anesthetic.

ah well looks like they decided to bite

https://theconversation.com/yes-masks-reduce-the-risk-of-spreading-covid-despite-a-review-saying-they-dont-198992

Reply Quote

Date: 7/02/2023 15:23:22
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1991538
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

“full recovery”


https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mumbai/mumbai-doctors-see-rise-in-coughing-bouts-after-viral-illness-more-in-kids/articleshow/97630407.cms?from=mdr

absurd

prolonged derrr sound crosseyes

comprehensive writeup, gets right to’t, like they have no lab to work out what the pathogens are, gone backwards forty years or something

did something get vanished

legit’

Reply Quote

Date: 7/02/2023 15:31:18
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1991539
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

ms spock said:


SCIENCE said:

ms spock said:

I was talking to my skin specialist and his mother-in-law, also a doctor, was on a ventilator for a couple of months. It cost $3,300 per day to be on the ventilator. Everyone in his family is a doctor, everyone in his wife’s family is a doctor. He said so many Indian doctors that teach have died, they are not sure how the next generation will be taught medicine. That there will be big gaps in knowledge.

right but not to worry The Economy Must Grew in the short term, we can leave that decades-long issue for the next lot

seriously though the new paradigm of “personal responsibility and preferences-not-expertise” means that a whole new medical education framework will be necessary anyway

we didn’t mean a good framework

I cried about this and other things a lot yesterday morning.

You cannot manage a pandemic with personal responsibility. I don’t live in the Australia I grew up in, and I did have a crappy time but at least Public Health was Public Health, with AIDS they did do public health campaigns, with so many things they did public health campaigns.

The confusion over masks even thought Prof Raina MacIntyre did all that research, and the success of our Asian neighbours. This misinformation from people like Leigh Sales. I stopped watching our media because it was ridiculous. Is it because Prof Raina MacIntyre is a POC that she wasn’t taken seriously. She said her treatment by the media was such that she went back to mainly doing research.

Professor Kim Woo-joo from Korea University Guro Hospital is one of the world’s infectious disease experts and yet is it because he is Asian he didn’t make it into the Australian media?

The economists can do maths and expotential growth – the economy is hurt by letting Covid rip as people just stay home.
https://theconversation.com/why-most-economists-continue-to-back-lockdowns-164239

Scott Morrison didn’t give a fuck if we lived or died, and that was honest. But Albo turning up without modelling best practice, my heart is broken. And the shock from people with disabilities, in queer communities, some First Nations Elders I have spoken to is immense and huge. Albo hasn’t even ordered enough of the different vaccines. All my friends overseas can get bivalent vaccines, and they are available to anyone who wants them. But I can’t get one.

Anyway I just mask and keep away from people. I am too tired now.

And third world countries that haven’t even got a chance to even get their first vaccination. Pakistan which had the floods, Syria with it’s war and now an earthquake. I shouldn’t complain.

I had a friend that worked high up in in Public Health and she said in around 2006 that Australian politicians were dismantling our public health systems. Harm reduction was being thrown on the scarp heap. I didn’t understand.

I do understand that they are trying to important an American health system so folks can make a lot of money out of that.

I think a lot of people are in a haze of shock, confusion and feeling so betrayed. But the people with disabilities don’t matter so much the queers don’t matter so much and the First Nations don’t matter so much.

In America Covid has caused deaths in disproportionately Brown, Black, people with disabilities, First Nations and immunocompromised peoples.

Everyone says “You can mask, if you want to” without taking into account, how much and how often you will be yelled at, abused and people coming up and coughing on you. That you have to take your mask off if you are breath tested, go to the dentist, have a medical procedure or go under anesthetic.


No one has accosted me for wearing a mask in public over the entire 3 years of Covid.

Reply Quote

Date: 7/02/2023 15:34:25
From: roughbarked
ID: 1991542
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Witty Rejoinder said:


ms spock said:

SCIENCE said:

right but not to worry The Economy Must Grew in the short term, we can leave that decades-long issue for the next lot

seriously though the new paradigm of “personal responsibility and preferences-not-expertise” means that a whole new medical education framework will be necessary anyway

we didn’t mean a good framework

I cried about this and other things a lot yesterday morning.

You cannot manage a pandemic with personal responsibility. I don’t live in the Australia I grew up in, and I did have a crappy time but at least Public Health was Public Health, with AIDS they did do public health campaigns, with so many things they did public health campaigns.

The confusion over masks even thought Prof Raina MacIntyre did all that research, and the success of our Asian neighbours. This misinformation from people like Leigh Sales. I stopped watching our media because it was ridiculous. Is it because Prof Raina MacIntyre is a POC that she wasn’t taken seriously. She said her treatment by the media was such that she went back to mainly doing research.

Professor Kim Woo-joo from Korea University Guro Hospital is one of the world’s infectious disease experts and yet is it because he is Asian he didn’t make it into the Australian media?

The economists can do maths and expotential growth – the economy is hurt by letting Covid rip as people just stay home.
https://theconversation.com/why-most-economists-continue-to-back-lockdowns-164239

Scott Morrison didn’t give a fuck if we lived or died, and that was honest. But Albo turning up without modelling best practice, my heart is broken. And the shock from people with disabilities, in queer communities, some First Nations Elders I have spoken to is immense and huge. Albo hasn’t even ordered enough of the different vaccines. All my friends overseas can get bivalent vaccines, and they are available to anyone who wants them. But I can’t get one.

Anyway I just mask and keep away from people. I am too tired now.

And third world countries that haven’t even got a chance to even get their first vaccination. Pakistan which had the floods, Syria with it’s war and now an earthquake. I shouldn’t complain.

I had a friend that worked high up in in Public Health and she said in around 2006 that Australian politicians were dismantling our public health systems. Harm reduction was being thrown on the scarp heap. I didn’t understand.

I do understand that they are trying to important an American health system so folks can make a lot of money out of that.

I think a lot of people are in a haze of shock, confusion and feeling so betrayed. But the people with disabilities don’t matter so much the queers don’t matter so much and the First Nations don’t matter so much.

In America Covid has caused deaths in disproportionately Brown, Black, people with disabilities, First Nations and immunocompromised peoples.

Everyone says “You can mask, if you want to” without taking into account, how much and how often you will be yelled at, abused and people coming up and coughing on you. That you have to take your mask off if you are breath tested, go to the dentist, have a medical procedure or go under anesthetic.


No one has accosted me for wearing a mask in public over the entire 3 years of Covid.

Same. Like you I have had no reason to necome involved in the controversy.

Reply Quote

Date: 7/02/2023 15:37:49
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1991546
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

roughbarked said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

ms spock said:

I cried about this and other things a lot yesterday morning.

You cannot manage a pandemic with personal responsibility. I don’t live in the Australia I grew up in, and I did have a crappy time but at least Public Health was Public Health, with AIDS they did do public health campaigns, with so many things they did public health campaigns.

The confusion over masks even thought Prof Raina MacIntyre did all that research, and the success of our Asian neighbours. This misinformation from people like Leigh Sales. I stopped watching our media because it was ridiculous. Is it because Prof Raina MacIntyre is a POC that she wasn’t taken seriously. She said her treatment by the media was such that she went back to mainly doing research.

Professor Kim Woo-joo from Korea University Guro Hospital is one of the world’s infectious disease experts and yet is it because he is Asian he didn’t make it into the Australian media?

The economists can do maths and expotential growth – the economy is hurt by letting Covid rip as people just stay home.
https://theconversation.com/why-most-economists-continue-to-back-lockdowns-164239

Scott Morrison didn’t give a fuck if we lived or died, and that was honest. But Albo turning up without modelling best practice, my heart is broken. And the shock from people with disabilities, in queer communities, some First Nations Elders I have spoken to is immense and huge. Albo hasn’t even ordered enough of the different vaccines. All my friends overseas can get bivalent vaccines, and they are available to anyone who wants them. But I can’t get one.

Anyway I just mask and keep away from people. I am too tired now.

And third world countries that haven’t even got a chance to even get their first vaccination. Pakistan which had the floods, Syria with it’s war and now an earthquake. I shouldn’t complain.

I had a friend that worked high up in in Public Health and she said in around 2006 that Australian politicians were dismantling our public health systems. Harm reduction was being thrown on the scarp heap. I didn’t understand.

I do understand that they are trying to important an American health system so folks can make a lot of money out of that.

I think a lot of people are in a haze of shock, confusion and feeling so betrayed. But the people with disabilities don’t matter so much the queers don’t matter so much and the First Nations don’t matter so much.

In America Covid has caused deaths in disproportionately Brown, Black, people with disabilities, First Nations and immunocompromised peoples.

Everyone says “You can mask, if you want to” without taking into account, how much and how often you will be yelled at, abused and people coming up and coughing on you. That you have to take your mask off if you are breath tested, go to the dentist, have a medical procedure or go under anesthetic.


No one has accosted me for wearing a mask in public over the entire 3 years of Covid.

Same. Like you I have had no reason to necome involved in the controversy.

exactly, we’ve observed similarly, indeed, of the millions of people we have observed over 3 years, we have never seen a single not-wearing-a-mask dude get accosted for wearing a mask in public

Reply Quote

Date: 7/02/2023 15:38:18
From: sibeen
ID: 1991547
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Witty Rejoinder said:


ms spock said:

SCIENCE said:

right but not to worry The Economy Must Grew in the short term, we can leave that decades-long issue for the next lot

seriously though the new paradigm of “personal responsibility and preferences-not-expertise” means that a whole new medical education framework will be necessary anyway

we didn’t mean a good framework

I cried about this and other things a lot yesterday morning.

You cannot manage a pandemic with personal responsibility. I don’t live in the Australia I grew up in, and I did have a crappy time but at least Public Health was Public Health, with AIDS they did do public health campaigns, with so many things they did public health campaigns.

The confusion over masks even thought Prof Raina MacIntyre did all that research, and the success of our Asian neighbours. This misinformation from people like Leigh Sales. I stopped watching our media because it was ridiculous. Is it because Prof Raina MacIntyre is a POC that she wasn’t taken seriously. She said her treatment by the media was such that she went back to mainly doing research.

Professor Kim Woo-joo from Korea University Guro Hospital is one of the world’s infectious disease experts and yet is it because he is Asian he didn’t make it into the Australian media?

The economists can do maths and expotential growth – the economy is hurt by letting Covid rip as people just stay home.
https://theconversation.com/why-most-economists-continue-to-back-lockdowns-164239

Scott Morrison didn’t give a fuck if we lived or died, and that was honest. But Albo turning up without modelling best practice, my heart is broken. And the shock from people with disabilities, in queer communities, some First Nations Elders I have spoken to is immense and huge. Albo hasn’t even ordered enough of the different vaccines. All my friends overseas can get bivalent vaccines, and they are available to anyone who wants them. But I can’t get one.

Anyway I just mask and keep away from people. I am too tired now.

And third world countries that haven’t even got a chance to even get their first vaccination. Pakistan which had the floods, Syria with it’s war and now an earthquake. I shouldn’t complain.

I had a friend that worked high up in in Public Health and she said in around 2006 that Australian politicians were dismantling our public health systems. Harm reduction was being thrown on the scarp heap. I didn’t understand.

I do understand that they are trying to important an American health system so folks can make a lot of money out of that.

I think a lot of people are in a haze of shock, confusion and feeling so betrayed. But the people with disabilities don’t matter so much the queers don’t matter so much and the First Nations don’t matter so much.

In America Covid has caused deaths in disproportionately Brown, Black, people with disabilities, First Nations and immunocompromised peoples.

Everyone says “You can mask, if you want to” without taking into account, how much and how often you will be yelled at, abused and people coming up and coughing on you. That you have to take your mask off if you are breath tested, go to the dentist, have a medical procedure or go under anesthetic.


No one has accosted me for wearing a mask in public over the entire 3 years of Covid.

+1

Reply Quote

Date: 7/02/2023 15:41:45
From: roughbarked
ID: 1991549
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

No one has accosted me for wearing a mask in public over the entire 3 years of Covid.

Same. Like you I have had no reason to necome involved in the controversy.

exactly, we’ve observed similarly, indeed, of the millions of people we have observed over 3 years, we have never seen a single not-wearing-a-mask dude get accosted for wearing a mask in public

Hardly a likely event.
Yesterday at the dentist, an elderly coupke came into the waiting room all masked up while a couple of others in the room were unmasked. The lady asked, “Do we not have to wear masks in here?” The man seated far enough away said “No”. She replied, as she ripped her mask off; “We have to to go to the doctors”.

Reply Quote

Date: 7/02/2023 15:46:52
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1991551
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

Same. Like you I have had no reason to necome involved in the controversy.

exactly, we’ve observed similarly, indeed, of the millions of people we have observed over 3 years, we have never seen a single not-wearing-a-mask dude get accosted for wearing a mask in public

Hardly a likely event.
Yesterday at the dentist, an elderly coupke came into the waiting room all masked up while a couple of others in the room were unmasked. The lady asked, “Do we not have to wear masks in here?” The man seated far enough away said “No”. She replied, as she ripped her mask off; “We have to to go to the doctors”.

exactly, it’s hardly surprising that when nobody is wearing masks, that nobody is being accosted for wearing them

Reply Quote

Date: 7/02/2023 15:47:39
From: roughbarked
ID: 1991553
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

exactly, we’ve observed similarly, indeed, of the millions of people we have observed over 3 years, we have never seen a single not-wearing-a-mask dude get accosted for wearing a mask in public

Hardly a likely event.
Yesterday at the dentist, an elderly coupke came into the waiting room all masked up while a couple of others in the room were unmasked. The lady asked, “Do we not have to wear masks in here?” The man seated far enough away said “No”. She replied, as she ripped her mask off; “We have to to go to the doctors”.

exactly, it’s hardly surprising that when nobody is wearing masks, that nobody is being accosted for wearing them

Nobody accosted her for wearing one.

Reply Quote

Date: 7/02/2023 15:52:50
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1991557
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

Hardly a likely event.
Yesterday at the dentist, an elderly coupke came into the waiting room all masked up while a couple of others in the room were unmasked. The lady asked, “Do we not have to wear masks in here?” The man seated far enough away said “No”. She replied, as she ripped her mask off; “We have to to go to the doctors”.

exactly, it’s hardly surprising that when nobody is wearing masks, that nobody is being accosted for wearing them

Nobody accosted her for wearing one.

So¿ We’re shit drivers so we stay under the speed limit but if we watch someone burn past at 30 m/s in a 20 m/s zone* and observe that they didn’t get pulled over, does that mean people don’t get pulled over for speeding¿

*: SI, you could call it 110 km/h in a 70 km/h zone if you like.

Reply Quote

Date: 7/02/2023 15:54:32
From: roughbarked
ID: 1991559
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

exactly, it’s hardly surprising that when nobody is wearing masks, that nobody is being accosted for wearing them

Nobody accosted her for wearing one.

So¿ We’re shit drivers so we stay under the speed limit but if we watch someone burn past at 30 m/s in a 20 m/s zone* and observe that they didn’t get pulled over, does that mean people don’t get pulled over for speeding¿

*: SI, you could call it 110 km/h in a 70 km/h zone if you like.


Fecken imperialist.

Reply Quote

Date: 7/02/2023 15:55:28
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1991560
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

ah well looks like they decided to bite

https://theconversation.com/yes-masks-reduce-the-risk-of-spreading-covid-despite-a-review-saying-they-dont-198992

they may have missed the key part though

it’s almost as if vested interests might infiltrate a supposedly reliable institution with a supposedly good reputation and then abuse it to spread disinformation

Reply Quote

Date: 7/02/2023 15:58:03
From: roughbarked
ID: 1991561
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

ah well looks like they decided to bite

https://theconversation.com/yes-masks-reduce-the-risk-of-spreading-covid-despite-a-review-saying-they-dont-198992

they may have missed the key part though

it’s almost as if vested interests might infiltrate a supposedly reliable institution with a supposedly good reputation and then abuse it to spread disinformation

Are you surprised?

Reply Quote

Date: 7/02/2023 16:30:31
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1991565
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

ah well looks like they decided to bite

https://theconversation.com/yes-masks-reduce-the-risk-of-spreading-covid-despite-a-review-saying-they-dont-198992

they may have missed the key part though

it’s almost as if vested interests might infiltrate a supposedly reliable institution with a supposedly good reputation and then abuse it to spread disinformation

Are you surprised?

not at all, so-called evidence-based medicine has been needing a good shake up for almost since it became popular

Reply Quote

Date: 7/02/2023 16:45:59
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1991579
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

ahahahahahahaha dirty ASIANS fkd themselves

https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202302/1284904.shtml

Multiple places in Southwest China’s Guizhou Province decided to cancel long-distance running requirements, part of the PE exam, for the high school entrance examinations this year, considering the impact that COVID-19 might still leave on students’ health.

quick attack them now before they replenish a new generation of soldiers

Reply Quote

Date: 7/02/2023 16:48:35
From: roughbarked
ID: 1991580
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

ahahahahahahaha dirty ASIANS fkd themselves

https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202302/1284904.shtml

Multiple places in Southwest China’s Guizhou Province decided to cancel long-distance running requirements, part of the PE exam, for the high school entrance examinations this year, considering the impact that COVID-19 might still leave on students’ health.

quick attack them now before they replenish a new generation of soldiers

Like, who is going to attack them?

Reply Quote

Date: 7/02/2023 17:06:34
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1991589
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

roughbarked said:


SCIENCE said:

ahahahahahahaha dirty ASIANS fkd themselves

https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202302/1284904.shtml

Multiple places in Southwest China’s Guizhou Province decided to cancel long-distance running requirements, part of the PE exam, for the high school entrance examinations this year, considering the impact that COVID-19 might still leave on students’ health.

quick attack them now before they replenish a new generation of soldiers

Like, who is going to attack them?

India. Russia. USA (via Taiwan). USA (via Philippines). USA (via Korea). Kazakhstan. You name it.
Lots of disputed territory around ALL the borders of China.

Posting here because the flu situation in Australia is looking rosy.
0.5% fever and cough this week, down from 0.8% fever and cough last week.

Reply Quote

Date: 7/02/2023 17:08:45
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1991592
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

ahahahahahahaha dirty ASIANS fkd themselves

https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202302/1284904.shtml

Multiple places in Southwest China’s Guizhou Province decided to cancel long-distance running requirements, part of the PE exam, for the high school entrance examinations this year, considering the impact that COVID-19 might still leave on students’ health.

quick attack them now before they replenish a new generation of soldiers

Like, who is going to attack them?

good guys with guns

Reply Quote

Date: 7/02/2023 17:09:12
From: ms spock
ID: 1991593
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

mollwollfumble said:


roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

ahahahahahahaha dirty ASIANS fkd themselves

https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202302/1284904.shtml

Multiple places in Southwest China’s Guizhou Province decided to cancel long-distance running requirements, part of the PE exam, for the high school entrance examinations this year, considering the impact that COVID-19 might still leave on students’ health.

quick attack them now before they replenish a new generation of soldiers

Like, who is going to attack them?

India. Russia. USA (via Taiwan). USA (via Philippines). USA (via Korea). Kazakhstan. You name it.
Lots of disputed territory around ALL the borders of China.

Posting here because the flu situation in Australia is looking rosy.
0.5% fever and cough this week, down from 0.8% fever and cough last week.

H

Reply Quote

Date: 7/02/2023 17:10:57
From: ms spock
ID: 1991595
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

mollwollfumble said:


roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

ahahahahahahaha dirty ASIANS fkd themselves

https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202302/1284904.shtml

Multiple places in Southwest China’s Guizhou Province decided to cancel long-distance running requirements, part of the PE exam, for the high school entrance examinations this year, considering the impact that COVID-19 might still leave on students’ health.

quick attack them now before they replenish a new generation of soldiers

Like, who is going to attack them?

India. Russia. USA (via Taiwan). USA (via Philippines). USA (via Korea). Kazakhstan. You name it.
Lots of disputed territory around ALL the borders of China.

Posting here because the flu situation in Australia is looking rosy.
0.5% fever and cough this week, down from 0.8% fever and cough last week.

I won’t be as profound as I was in my last post.

Have you seen The Coming War on China?

Interested to know what you all think. Documentary by John Piliger.

There history of the South China Seas during the last 2,500 years is quite fascinating.

Reply Quote

Date: 7/02/2023 17:12:14
From: ms spock
ID: 1991596
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

ms spock said:


mollwollfumble said:

roughbarked said:

Like, who is going to attack them?

India. Russia. USA (via Taiwan). USA (via Philippines). USA (via Korea). Kazakhstan. You name it.
Lots of disputed territory around ALL the borders of China.

Posting here because the flu situation in Australia is looking rosy.
0.5% fever and cough this week, down from 0.8% fever and cough last week.

I won’t be as profound as I was in my last post.

Have you seen The Coming War on China?

Interested to know what you all think. Documentary by John Piliger.

There history of the South China Seas during the last 2,500 years is quite fascinating.

There’s a right wing writer that really wrote a comprehensive history on the last 2,500 years and it was so detailed.

Reply Quote

Date: 7/02/2023 23:25:07
From: ms spock
ID: 1991743
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

ms spock said:

SCIENCE said:

right but not to worry The Economy Must Grew in the short term, we can leave that decades-long issue for the next lot

seriously though the new paradigm of “personal responsibility and preferences-not-expertise” means that a whole new medical education framework will be necessary anyway

we didn’t mean a good framework

I cried about this and other things a lot yesterday morning.

You cannot manage a pandemic with personal responsibility. I don’t live in the Australia I grew up in, and I did have a crappy time but at least Public Health was Public Health, with AIDS they did do public health campaigns, with so many things they did public health campaigns.

The confusion over masks even thought Prof Raina MacIntyre did all that research, and the success of our Asian neighbours. This misinformation from people like Leigh Sales. I stopped watching our media because it was ridiculous. Is it because Prof Raina MacIntyre is a POC that she wasn’t taken seriously. She said her treatment by the media was such that she went back to mainly doing research.

Professor Kim Woo-joo from Korea University Guro Hospital is one of the world’s infectious disease experts and yet is it because he is Asian he didn’t make it into the Australian media?

The economists can do maths and expotential growth – the economy is hurt by letting Covid rip as people just stay home.
https://theconversation.com/why-most-economists-continue-to-back-lockdowns-164239

Scott Morrison didn’t give a fuck if we lived or died, and that was honest. But Albo turning up without modelling best practice, my heart is broken. And the shock from people with disabilities, in queer communities, some First Nations Elders I have spoken to is immense and huge. Albo hasn’t even ordered enough of the different vaccines. All my friends overseas can get bivalent vaccines, and they are available to anyone who wants them. But I can’t get one.

Anyway I just mask and keep away from people. I am too tired now.

And third world countries that haven’t even got a chance to even get their first vaccination. Pakistan which had the floods, Syria with it’s war and now an earthquake. I shouldn’t complain.

I had a friend that worked high up in in Public Health and she said in around 2006 that Australian politicians were dismantling our public health systems. Harm reduction was being thrown on the scarp heap. I didn’t understand.

I do understand that they are trying to important an American health system so folks can make a lot of money out of that.

I think a lot of people are in a haze of shock, confusion and feeling so betrayed. But the people with disabilities don’t matter so much the queers don’t matter so much and the First Nations don’t matter so much.

In America Covid has caused deaths in disproportionately Brown, Black, people with disabilities, First Nations and immunocompromised peoples.

Everyone says “You can mask, if you want to” without taking into account, how much and how often you will be yelled at, abused and people coming up and coughing on you. That you have to take your mask off if you are breath tested, go to the dentist, have a medical procedure or go under anesthetic.

ah well looks like they decided to bite

https://theconversation.com/yes-masks-reduce-the-risk-of-spreading-covid-despite-a-review-saying-they-dont-198992

Indeed! Australian media, with some notable exceptions have failed to do nuance. Our governments have failed to do basic health campaigns.

It is astonishing.

Reply Quote

Date: 7/02/2023 23:25:49
From: ms spock
ID: 1991744
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Witty Rejoinder said:


ms spock said:

SCIENCE said:

right but not to worry The Economy Must Grew in the short term, we can leave that decades-long issue for the next lot

seriously though the new paradigm of “personal responsibility and preferences-not-expertise” means that a whole new medical education framework will be necessary anyway

we didn’t mean a good framework

I cried about this and other things a lot yesterday morning.

You cannot manage a pandemic with personal responsibility. I don’t live in the Australia I grew up in, and I did have a crappy time but at least Public Health was Public Health, with AIDS they did do public health campaigns, with so many things they did public health campaigns.

The confusion over masks even thought Prof Raina MacIntyre did all that research, and the success of our Asian neighbours. This misinformation from people like Leigh Sales. I stopped watching our media because it was ridiculous. Is it because Prof Raina MacIntyre is a POC that she wasn’t taken seriously. She said her treatment by the media was such that she went back to mainly doing research.

Professor Kim Woo-joo from Korea University Guro Hospital is one of the world’s infectious disease experts and yet is it because he is Asian he didn’t make it into the Australian media?

The economists can do maths and expotential growth – the economy is hurt by letting Covid rip as people just stay home.
https://theconversation.com/why-most-economists-continue-to-back-lockdowns-164239

Scott Morrison didn’t give a fuck if we lived or died, and that was honest. But Albo turning up without modelling best practice, my heart is broken. And the shock from people with disabilities, in queer communities, some First Nations Elders I have spoken to is immense and huge. Albo hasn’t even ordered enough of the different vaccines. All my friends overseas can get bivalent vaccines, and they are available to anyone who wants them. But I can’t get one.

Anyway I just mask and keep away from people. I am too tired now.

And third world countries that haven’t even got a chance to even get their first vaccination. Pakistan which had the floods, Syria with it’s war and now an earthquake. I shouldn’t complain.

I had a friend that worked high up in in Public Health and she said in around 2006 that Australian politicians were dismantling our public health systems. Harm reduction was being thrown on the scarp heap. I didn’t understand.

I do understand that they are trying to important an American health system so folks can make a lot of money out of that.

I think a lot of people are in a haze of shock, confusion and feeling so betrayed. But the people with disabilities don’t matter so much the queers don’t matter so much and the First Nations don’t matter so much.

In America Covid has caused deaths in disproportionately Brown, Black, people with disabilities, First Nations and immunocompromised peoples.

Everyone says “You can mask, if you want to” without taking into account, how much and how often you will be yelled at, abused and people coming up and coughing on you. That you have to take your mask off if you are breath tested, go to the dentist, have a medical procedure or go under anesthetic.


No one has accosted me for wearing a mask in public over the entire 3 years of Covid.

That’s great Witty Rejoinder! I am so pleased that has happened for you!

Reply Quote

Date: 7/02/2023 23:31:28
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1991746
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

ms spock said:


SCIENCE said:

ms spock said:

I cried about this and other things a lot yesterday morning.

You cannot manage a pandemic with personal responsibility. I don’t live in the Australia I grew up in, and I did have a crappy time but at least Public Health was Public Health, with AIDS they did do public health campaigns, with so many things they did public health campaigns.

The confusion over masks even thought Prof Raina MacIntyre did all that research, and the success of our Asian neighbours. This misinformation from people like Leigh Sales. I stopped watching our media because it was ridiculous. Is it because Prof Raina MacIntyre is a POC that she wasn’t taken seriously. She said her treatment by the media was such that she went back to mainly doing research.

Professor Kim Woo-joo from Korea University Guro Hospital is one of the world’s infectious disease experts and yet is it because he is Asian he didn’t make it into the Australian media?

The economists can do maths and expotential growth – the economy is hurt by letting Covid rip as people just stay home.
https://theconversation.com/why-most-economists-continue-to-back-lockdowns-164239

Scott Morrison didn’t give a fuck if we lived or died, and that was honest. But Albo turning up without modelling best practice, my heart is broken. And the shock from people with disabilities, in queer communities, some First Nations Elders I have spoken to is immense and huge. Albo hasn’t even ordered enough of the different vaccines. All my friends overseas can get bivalent vaccines, and they are available to anyone who wants them. But I can’t get one.

Anyway I just mask and keep away from people. I am too tired now.

And third world countries that haven’t even got a chance to even get their first vaccination. Pakistan which had the floods, Syria with it’s war and now an earthquake. I shouldn’t complain.

I had a friend that worked high up in in Public Health and she said in around 2006 that Australian politicians were dismantling our public health systems. Harm reduction was being thrown on the scarp heap. I didn’t understand.

I do understand that they are trying to important an American health system so folks can make a lot of money out of that.

I think a lot of people are in a haze of shock, confusion and feeling so betrayed. But the people with disabilities don’t matter so much the queers don’t matter so much and the First Nations don’t matter so much.

In America Covid has caused deaths in disproportionately Brown, Black, people with disabilities, First Nations and immunocompromised peoples.

Everyone says “You can mask, if you want to” without taking into account, how much and how often you will be yelled at, abused and people coming up and coughing on you. That you have to take your mask off if you are breath tested, go to the dentist, have a medical procedure or go under anesthetic.

ah well looks like they decided to bite

https://theconversation.com/yes-masks-reduce-the-risk-of-spreading-covid-despite-a-review-saying-they-dont-198992

Indeed! Australian media, with some notable exceptions have failed to do nuance. Our governments have failed to do basic health campaigns.

It is astonishing.

australian news media is shit..

Reply Quote

Date: 7/02/2023 23:42:24
From: sibeen
ID: 1991748
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

sarahs mum said:


ms spock said:

SCIENCE said:

ah well looks like they decided to bite

https://theconversation.com/yes-masks-reduce-the-risk-of-spreading-covid-despite-a-review-saying-they-dont-198992

Indeed! Australian media, with some notable exceptions have failed to do nuance. Our governments have failed to do basic health campaigns.

It is astonishing.

australian news media is shit..

All of it?

Reply Quote

Date: 7/02/2023 23:48:41
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1991749
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

sibeen said:


sarahs mum said:

ms spock said:

Indeed! Australian media, with some notable exceptions have failed to do nuance. Our governments have failed to do basic health campaigns.

It is astonishing.

australian news media is shit..

All of it?

some. lots. most.

Reply Quote

Date: 7/02/2023 23:57:08
From: party_pants
ID: 1991750
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

sibeen said:


sarahs mum said:

ms spock said:

Indeed! Australian media, with some notable exceptions have failed to do nuance. Our governments have failed to do basic health campaigns.

It is astonishing.

australian news media is shit..

All of it?

Except for The Guardian Australia

:p

Reply Quote

Date: 8/02/2023 00:02:35
From: sibeen
ID: 1991752
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

party_pants said:


sibeen said:

sarahs mum said:

australian news media is shit..

All of it?

Except for The Guardian Australia

:p

Well, that’s the one I give my hard earned shekels to.

Reply Quote

Date: 8/02/2023 00:25:46
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1991764
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

sibeen said:


party_pants said:

sibeen said:

All of it?

Except for The Guardian Australia

:p

Well, that’s the one I give my hard earned shekels to.

I’m glad. i also think the saturday paper is worthy.

Reply Quote

Date: 8/02/2023 00:33:32
From: ms spock
ID: 1991769
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

sarahs mum said:


ms spock said:

SCIENCE said:

ah well looks like they decided to bite

https://theconversation.com/yes-masks-reduce-the-risk-of-spreading-covid-despite-a-review-saying-they-dont-198992

Indeed! Australian media, with some notable exceptions have failed to do nuance. Our governments have failed to do basic health campaigns.

It is astonishing.

australian news media is shit..

Complete and utter shit.

Reply Quote

Date: 8/02/2023 01:51:26
From: sibeen
ID: 1991786
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-07/australian-adults-able-to-get-fifth-dose-of-covid-19-vaccine/101943280

Oh, look at that.

Reply Quote

Date: 8/02/2023 01:59:41
From: sibeen
ID: 1991787
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

sibeen said:


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-07/australian-adults-able-to-get-fifth-dose-of-covid-19-vaccine/101943280

Oh, look at that.

The fucking idiots have relied upon advice from their technical advisory group.

FFS!!!! Haven’t they seen the angst on the internet?

Reply Quote

Date: 8/02/2023 03:54:18
From: transition
ID: 1991793
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

sibeen said:


sibeen said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-07/australian-adults-able-to-get-fifth-dose-of-covid-19-vaccine/101943280

Oh, look at that.

The fucking idiots have relied upon advice from their technical advisory group.

FFS!!!! Haven’t they seen the angst on the internet?

reads like religion to me

whatever gets everyone off the hook for any responsibility for injury caused by worse-than-dubious notions of endemicity – failures of – which could be misspelled indemnity or indemnicity and probably gets near what i’m thinking

Reply Quote

Date: 8/02/2023 10:18:00
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 1991825
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Some good news about the new booster jabs.

www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-07/australian-adults-able-to-get-fifth-dose-of-covid-19-vaccine/101943280

Reply Quote

Date: 8/02/2023 10:27:20
From: Michael V
ID: 1991831
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Spiny Norman said:


Some good news about the new booster jabs.

www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-07/australian-adults-able-to-get-fifth-dose-of-covid-19-vaccine/101943280

Thanks.

Reply Quote

Date: 8/02/2023 10:28:21
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1991832
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Michael V said:

Spiny Norman said:

Some good news about the new booster jabs.

www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-07/australian-adults-able-to-get-fifth-dose-of-covid-19-vaccine/101943280

Thanks.

Albanese Is Great ¡

Reply Quote

Date: 8/02/2023 10:42:22
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1991835
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

Spiny Norman said:

Some good news about the new booster jabs.

www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-07/australian-adults-able-to-get-fifth-dose-of-covid-19-vaccine/101943280

Thanks.

Albanese Is Great ¡

Reply Quote

Date: 8/02/2023 10:42:35
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1991836
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

More than 1,000 jobs are being cut at the American video conference app Zoom.

The company’s chief executive Eric Yuan says roughly 15 per cent of the workforce will be lost.

He says he will also be taking a 98 per cent pay cut.

Reply Quote

Date: 8/02/2023 10:53:10
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1991839
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:


More than 1,000 jobs are being cut at the American video conference app Zoom.

The company’s chief executive Eric Yuan says roughly 15 per cent of the workforce will be lost.

He says he will also be taking a 98 per cent pay cut.

Having done my own research, I was going to point out that the pay cut was only 90%, but then I saw the link under that said 98%, so I just don’t know.

Where does Zoom get its money from anyway?

Reply Quote

Date: 8/02/2023 10:58:35
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1991841
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

The Rev Dodgson said:


SCIENCE said:

More than 1,000 jobs are being cut at the American video conference app Zoom.

The company’s chief executive Eric Yuan says roughly 15 per cent of the workforce will be lost.

He says he will also be taking a 98 per cent pay cut.

Having done my own research, I was going to point out that the pay cut was only 90%, but then I saw the link under that said 98%, so I just don’t know.

Where does Zoom get its money from anyway?

I’ve never used it so I don’t know if it has advertising or if they install a meter on the wall that you put coins in.

Reply Quote

Date: 8/02/2023 11:21:22
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1991850
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

The Rev Dodgson said:


SCIENCE said:

More than 1,000 jobs are being cut at the American video conference app Zoom.

The company’s chief executive Eric Yuan says roughly 15 per cent of the workforce will be lost.

He says he will also be taking a 98 per cent pay cut.

Having done my own research, I was going to point out that the pay cut was only 90%, but then I saw the link under that said 98%, so I just don’t know.

Where does Zoom get its money from anyway?

Corporate users pay for it. There are limitations on the free version.

Reply Quote

Date: 8/02/2023 12:27:07
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1991892
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

another twist

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-08/migrants-cald-chronic-health-conditions-census-report/101939606

in the thumbscrews

Reply Quote

Date: 8/02/2023 15:41:13
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1991982
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-08/toddler-rescued-from-15-metre-deep-well-in-thailand/101945950

Reply Quote

Date: 8/02/2023 21:49:32
From: ms spock
ID: 1992117
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

about death data

https://twitter.com/greg_travis/status/1621582491663454208

:(((

Especially since Prof Raina MacIntyre was releasing her professional development in April 2020.

I do feel bron (sorrow) for folks.

Reply Quote

Date: 9/02/2023 11:40:07
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1992220
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

because lockdowns

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-09/bus-crashes-into-canadian-daycare-centre-killing-two/101950330

Reply Quote

Date: 9/02/2023 13:31:50
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1992299
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

It’s Genius

the insane spend on vaccine vaccine vaccine and flogging the dead preexisting conditionals, which sure it helps, but

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-09/australian-covid-booster-shot-uptake-still-low-over-65s/101949102

tell you what is even lower uptake, far more effective, yet you see none in the article

wear P2 masks

Reply Quote

Date: 9/02/2023 13:40:35
From: ms spock
ID: 1992307
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

It’s Genius

the insane spend on vaccine vaccine vaccine and flogging the dead preexisting conditionals, which sure it helps, but

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-09/australian-covid-booster-shot-uptake-still-low-over-65s/101949102

tell you what is even lower uptake, far more effective, yet you see none in the article

wear P2 masks

FUCK YEAH!

Reply Quote

Date: 9/02/2023 14:08:19
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1992321
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

ms spock said:

SCIENCE said:

It’s Genius

the insane spend on vaccine vaccine vaccine and flogging the dead preexisting conditionals, which sure it helps, but

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-09/australian-covid-booster-shot-uptake-still-low-over-65s/101949102

tell you what is even lower uptake, far more effective, yet you see none in the article

wear P2 masks

FUCK YEAH!

More Fun Incoming

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/feb/05/bird-flu-outlook-is-grim-as-new-wave-of-the-virus-heads-for-britain




Reply Quote

Date: 9/02/2023 14:15:28
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1992327
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Mhazhyq¡

guess the bioweapons bombardment failed

Reply Quote

Date: 9/02/2023 14:20:30
From: Cymek
ID: 1992329
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

Mhazhyq¡

guess the bioweapons bombardment failed

Early days, the Wuhan lab is probably ramping up the virus, soon be zombies in Taiwan, easy takeover then.

Reply Quote

Date: 9/02/2023 14:30:36
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1992336
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

great success

Reply Quote

Date: 9/02/2023 14:37:54
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1992344
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

serious question what are the correct terms to call this kind of thing, one is “boy who cried wolf” what’s the converse, or other framings

like through pandemic we’ve seen so many people

  1. build or use existing good reputation (say through initially honest advocacy), to then flip and start promoting disinformation using their massive platform
  2. develop or bring existing bad reputation (say through initially dishonest advocacy), to then flip and say reasonable things but poison the ideas with their bad reputation

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/feb/08/indoor-air-quality-should-be-monitored-in-public-places-says-chris-whitty

and so the pendulum swings

Reply Quote

Date: 9/02/2023 21:51:53
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1992445
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

ms spock said:

SCIENCE said:

It’s Genius

the insane spend on vaccine vaccine vaccine and flogging the dead preexisting conditionals, which sure it helps, but

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-09/australian-covid-booster-shot-uptake-still-low-over-65s/101949102

tell you what is even lower uptake, far more effective, yet you see none in the article

wear P2 masks

FUCK YEAH!

Reply Quote

Date: 9/02/2023 21:54:22
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1992446
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

ms spock said:

SCIENCE said:

It’s Genius

the insane spend on vaccine vaccine vaccine and flogging the dead preexisting conditionals, which sure it helps, but

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-09/australian-covid-booster-shot-uptake-still-low-over-65s/101949102

tell you what is even lower uptake, far more effective, yet you see none in the article

wear P2 masks

FUCK YEAH!


so we suspected ‘e might’v’ been the only one and apparently

Reply Quote

Date: 9/02/2023 22:09:26
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1992452
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

It’s All Starting To Make Sense Now Isn’t It

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2117024

We therefore analyzed lung transplantations performed between August 1, 2020, and September 30, 2021, and reported in the United Network for Organ Sharing (UNOS) registry, which collates transplantation data from all patients in participating regions in the United States. The study was approved by the institutional review board at Cedars–Sinai Medical Center; informed consent was waived by the board. Of 3039 lung transplantations, 214 (7.0%) were performed for Covid-19–related respiratory failure, including 140 (4.6%) for acute respiratory distress syndrome and 74 (2.4%) for pulmonary fibrosis. The median number of lung transplantations performed for Covid-19–related respiratory failure per center was 2.5 (range, 1 to 25). Of the 214 lung transplantations, 197 (92.1%) were bilateral lung transplantations (including 2 heart–lung transplantations and 5 lung–kidney transplantations), and 17 (7.9%) were single-lung transplantations (including 1 lung–kidney transplantation).

remember this

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/feb/01/massachusetts-prisoners-organ-donations

Prisoners in Massachusetts may soon have the option to get their sentences reduced in exchange for donating their organs or bone marrow if a proposed law is passed in the US state.

hint: donating a lung will almost certainly reduce your life sentence

Reply Quote

Date: 9/02/2023 22:43:06
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1992470
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

LOL

LOL

LOL

Reply Quote

Date: 9/02/2023 23:21:35
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1992474
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

literally the meaning of retarded



Reply Quote

Date: 9/02/2023 23:29:02
From: sibeen
ID: 1992475
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

literally the meaning of retarded




I’m trying to think up an integration pun, but it’s not coming together. The Simpson’s are normally good for this but as if a Simpon’s rule would apply.

Reply Quote

Date: 10/02/2023 02:18:44
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1992509
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Twitter lifted its ban on COVID misinformation—research shows this is a grave risk to public health

Twitter’s decision to no longer enforce its COVID-19 misinformation policy, quietly posted on the site’s rules page and listed as effective Nov. 23, 2022, has researchers and experts in public health seriously concerned about the possible repercussions.

more…

Reply Quote

Date: 10/02/2023 06:47:08
From: transition
ID: 1992521
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Tau.Neutrino said:


Twitter lifted its ban on COVID misinformation—research shows this is a grave risk to public health

Twitter’s decision to no longer enforce its COVID-19 misinformation policy, quietly posted on the site’s rules page and listed as effective Nov. 23, 2022, has researchers and experts in public health seriously concerned about the possible repercussions.

more…

reading that, and this below while, it was referenced/cited
https://www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/9/6/593

how’s that herd immunity business going…., and is the tern being used to mean endemic unlimited, you might forget how radical that is

expensive i’d suggest, in all sorts of ways

but whatever, i’m sort of in agreement about social media, i’d put it though that the immediacy of responses, inviting it, pressure that way, hardly inclines a good read of say some educational wikipedia pages, and small screens hardly encourage a better read

whatever, slow brains connected at the speed of light, probably has its own problems

Reply Quote

Date: 10/02/2023 06:49:26
From: transition
ID: 1992522
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

transition said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

Twitter lifted its ban on COVID misinformation—research shows this is a grave risk to public health

Twitter’s decision to no longer enforce its COVID-19 misinformation policy, quietly posted on the site’s rules page and listed as effective Nov. 23, 2022, has researchers and experts in public health seriously concerned about the possible repercussions.

more…

reading that, and this below while, it was referenced/cited
https://www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/9/6/593

how’s that herd immunity business going…., and is the tern being used to mean endemic unlimited, you might forget how radical that is

expensive i’d suggest, in all sorts of ways

but whatever, i’m sort of in agreement about social media, i’d put it though that the immediacy of responses, inviting it, pressure that way, hardly inclines a good read of say some educational wikipedia pages, and small screens hardly encourage a better read

whatever, slow brains connected at the speed of light, probably has its own problems

is the …term being used… that should say, not tern, that latter would be a bird maybe

it’s early, a refueling truck brought me prematurely to wakefulness

Reply Quote

Date: 10/02/2023 07:14:31
From: transition
ID: 1992525
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

It’s Genius

the insane spend on vaccine vaccine vaccine and flogging the dead preexisting conditionals, which sure it helps, but

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-09/australian-covid-booster-shot-uptake-still-low-over-65s/101949102

tell you what is even lower uptake, far more effective, yet you see none in the article

wear P2 masks

covidmongers might need get the army in again, to administer the ‘medicine’, acceptance of endemicity, the new definition

Reply Quote

Date: 10/02/2023 08:08:21
From: Michael V
ID: 1992526
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

sibeen said:


SCIENCE said:

literally the meaning of retarded




I’m trying to think up an integration pun, but it’s not coming together. The Simpson’s are normally good for this but as if a Simpson’s rule would apply.

Round of applause.

Very clever Mr sibeen.

Reply Quote

Date: 10/02/2023 09:06:07
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1992535
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

it’s good to know that all that effort

has achieved results in the singular

Reply Quote

Date: 10/02/2023 12:16:22
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1992599
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

‘Crazy interesting’ findings by Australian researchers may reveal key to Covid immunity

University of Sydney scientists have found a receptor protein which ‘acts a bit like molecular velcro, in that it sticks to the spike of the virus’

Melissa Davey Medical editor

Fri 10 Feb 2023 06.00 AEDT

Australian researchers have found a protein in the lungs that sticks to the Covid-19 virus like velcro and immobilises it, which may explain why some people never become sick with the virus while others suffer serious illness.

The research was led by Greg Neely, a professor of functional genomics with the University of Sydney’s Charles Perkins Centre in collaboration with Dr Lipin Loo, a postdoctoral researcher and Matthew Waller, a PhD student. Their findings were published in the journal PLOS Biology on Friday.

Read more:

https://amp.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/feb/09/crazy-interesting-findings-by-australian-researchers-may-reveal-key-to-covid-immunity

Reply Quote

Date: 10/02/2023 12:19:34
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1992602
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

excellent, time to evolve resistance, pity evolution is basically a trail of death

Reply Quote

Date: 10/02/2023 12:24:17
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1992608
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

BREAKING.
Unvaccinated man easily wins Australian Open against players rotten with vaccines.

Reply Quote

Date: 10/02/2023 13:29:03
From: transition
ID: 1992636
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Witty Rejoinder said:


‘Crazy interesting’ findings by Australian researchers may reveal key to Covid immunity

University of Sydney scientists have found a receptor protein which ‘acts a bit like molecular velcro, in that it sticks to the spike of the virus’

Melissa Davey Medical editor

Fri 10 Feb 2023 06.00 AEDT

Australian researchers have found a protein in the lungs that sticks to the Covid-19 virus like velcro and immobilises it, which may explain why some people never become sick with the virus while others suffer serious illness.

The research was led by Greg Neely, a professor of functional genomics with the University of Sydney’s Charles Perkins Centre in collaboration with Dr Lipin Loo, a postdoctoral researcher and Matthew Waller, a PhD student. Their findings were published in the journal PLOS Biology on Friday.

Read more:

https://amp.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/feb/09/crazy-interesting-findings-by-australian-researchers-may-reveal-key-to-covid-immunity

having quick read of, below

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leucine_rich_repeat_containing_15

Reply Quote

Date: 10/02/2023 19:48:36
From: ms spock
ID: 1992840
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Witty Rejoinder said:


‘Crazy interesting’ findings by Australian researchers may reveal key to Covid immunity

University of Sydney scientists have found a receptor protein which ‘acts a bit like molecular velcro, in that it sticks to the spike of the virus’

Melissa Davey Medical editor

Fri 10 Feb 2023 06.00 AEDT

Australian researchers have found a protein in the lungs that sticks to the Covid-19 virus like velcro and immobilises it, which may explain why some people never become sick with the virus while others suffer serious illness.

The research was led by Greg Neely, a professor of functional genomics with the University of Sydney’s Charles Perkins Centre in collaboration with Dr Lipin Loo, a postdoctoral researcher and Matthew Waller, a PhD student. Their findings were published in the journal PLOS Biology on Friday.

Read more:

https://amp.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/feb/09/crazy-interesting-findings-by-australian-researchers-may-reveal-key-to-covid-immunity

Wow! That is exciting!

Reply Quote

Date: 11/02/2023 03:37:09
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1992932
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

good plan

sorry we meant God plan

https://twitter.com/jollyjapes/status/1623510828673630210





Reply Quote

Date: 11/02/2023 04:01:04
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1992933
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

LOL


Reply Quote

Date: 11/02/2023 04:20:07
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1992934
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

yeah yeah preprint prereview same same

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2023.01.25.23285014v1

we found a 42.63% higher likelihood of acquiring autoimmunity for patients who had suffered from COVID-19. This estimate was similar for common autoimmune diseases






https://twitter.com/lisa_iannattone/status/1623193133885411330

Reply Quote

Date: 11/02/2023 04:54:37
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1992938
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

mind trick




https://twitter.com/JeromeAdamsMD/status/1623655572473102337

Reply Quote

Date: 11/02/2023 23:44:36
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1993201
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Reply Quote

Date: 11/02/2023 23:50:28
From: party_pants
ID: 1993202
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Bubblecar said:



OK. Noted. I shall make a conscious effort…

Reply Quote

Date: 12/02/2023 00:19:37
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1993213
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

party_pants said:


Bubblecar said:


OK. Noted. I shall make a conscious effort…

I must admit I’m sorely tempted in the supermarket, when the plastic bags from the roll in the fruit & veg refuse to open.

Reply Quote

Date: 12/02/2023 00:52:14
From: AussieDJ
ID: 1993216
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Bubblecar said:


party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:


OK. Noted. I shall make a conscious effort…

I must admit I’m sorely tempted in the supermarket, when the plastic bags from the roll in the fruit & veg refuse to open.

Agreed. But look around the F & V section for anything resting on a cold, damp surface. Touch your fingers to that. Saves licking your fingers.

Reply Quote

Date: 12/02/2023 08:16:12
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1993236
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

AussieDJ said:


Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

OK. Noted. I shall make a conscious effort…

I must admit I’m sorely tempted in the supermarket, when the plastic bags from the roll in the fruit & veg refuse to open.

Agreed. But look around the F & V section for anything resting on a cold, damp surface. Touch your fingers to that. Saves licking your fingers.

just concentrate on sending a sympathetic nervous stimulus to the fingers in question

Reply Quote

Date: 12/02/2023 11:57:39
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1993350
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

It’s good to see that cuntries can learn, see the patriotic response to finding an airborne item and shooting it down, and have to have their own to prove something¡

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-12/canada-airspace-unidentified-object-shot-down/101962786

now imagine something else airborne, that actually caused shit loads of damage, but why would anyone bother to stop that violation hey

Reply Quote

Date: 12/02/2023 15:35:44
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1993551
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

fucking dirty ASIAN authoritarian communist police states and their mother

wait

we mean motherlands

Reply Quote

Date: 12/02/2023 15:36:38
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1993552
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

all going according to plan

JACKSON, Miss. — The number of babies in Mississippi being treated for congenital syphilis has jumped by more than 900% over five years, uprooting the progress the nation’s poorest state had made in nearly quashing what experts say is an avoidable public health crisis. The rise in cases has placed newborns at further risk of life-threatening harm in a state that’s already home to the nation’s worst infant mortality rate.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/congenital-syphilis-treatment-mississippi-increase-rcna69381

Reply Quote

Date: 12/02/2023 16:02:00
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1993555
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

guess it really is over

Reply Quote

Date: 12/02/2023 16:27:43
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1993558
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

LOL

https://www.who.int/emergencies/disease-outbreak-news/item/2022-DON426

Reply Quote

Date: 12/02/2023 16:30:18
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1993559
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

oops

The research, based on one of the largest data sets of Covid patients, found up to 46% of patients had liver abnormalities caused by the virus itself, the overuse of experimental and potentially dangerous drugs early in the pandemic, and critically low oxygen levels.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mumbai/46-of-covid-patients-have-liver-damage-study/articleshowprint/97809200.cms

Reply Quote

Date: 12/02/2023 17:50:24
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1993583
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

oops

The research, based on one of the largest data sets of Covid patients, found up to 46% of patients had liver abnormalities caused by the virus itself, the overuse of experimental and potentially dangerous drugs early in the pandemic, and critically low oxygen levels.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mumbai/46-of-covid-patients-have-liver-damage-study/articleshowprint/97809200.cms

oops

Reply Quote

Date: 12/02/2023 18:51:31
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1993593
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

oops

The research, based on one of the largest data sets of Covid patients, found up to 46% of patients had liver abnormalities caused by the virus itself, the overuse of experimental and potentially dangerous drugs early in the pandemic, and critically low oxygen levels.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mumbai/46-of-covid-patients-have-liver-damage-study/articleshowprint/97809200.cms

oops


oops

https://twitter.com/drclairetaylor/status/1624016748998496256

Reply Quote

Date: 12/02/2023 21:54:24
From: transition
ID: 1993609
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

guess it really is over


jobs done anyway

infections, covid deaths, injuries all became uncountable

it’s the intelligent way, to deal with a serious pandemic

render it uncountable, fade it into everywhereness

Reply Quote

Date: 13/02/2023 09:33:36
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1993720
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

quality journalism we mean entitlement


Fucking hell

from the same reliable outlet

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-11740341/Could-lockdown-left-children-life-long-immunity-problems.html

Reply Quote

Date: 13/02/2023 11:29:06
From: transition
ID: 1993750
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

quality journalism we mean entitlement


Fucking hell

from the same reliable outlet

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-11740341/Could-lockdown-left-children-life-long-immunity-problems.html

I has me a derrr proper gander at news lastnight and just now, I sees a theme, I wonders how minds works, then I thinkies people with influence has ideas abouts how they ought work, and I has further thinkies about what value there could be in that, the derrr if money were master, da instwaments of ideowology

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/covid-australia-2023-heart-disease-caused-by-lockdowns/ar-AA17nYjk

Reply Quote

Date: 13/02/2023 14:29:33
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1993836
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

Fucking hell

from the same reliable outlet

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-11740341/Could-lockdown-left-children-life-long-immunity-problems.html

I has me a derrr proper gander at news lastnight and just now, I sees a theme, I wonders how minds works, then I thinkies people with influence has ideas abouts how they ought work, and I has further thinkies about what value there could be in that, the derrr if money were master, da instwaments of ideowology

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/covid-australia-2023-heart-disease-caused-by-lockdowns/ar-AA17nYjk

it’s full on disinformation fuck them

on the other hand

Reply Quote

Date: 13/02/2023 14:46:32
From: ms spock
ID: 1993847
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

from the same reliable outlet

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-11740341/Could-lockdown-left-children-life-long-immunity-problems.html

I has me a derrr proper gander at news lastnight and just now, I sees a theme, I wonders how minds works, then I thinkies people with influence has ideas abouts how they ought work, and I has further thinkies about what value there could be in that, the derrr if money were master, da instwaments of ideowology

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/covid-australia-2023-heart-disease-caused-by-lockdowns/ar-AA17nYjk

it’s full on disinformation fuck them

on the other hand


Reply Quote

Date: 13/02/2023 22:46:54
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1994047
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

ms spock said:

SCIENCE said:

transition said:

I has me a derrr proper gander at news lastnight and just now, I sees a theme, I wonders how minds works, then I thinkies people with influence has ideas abouts how they ought work, and I has further thinkies about what value there could be in that, the derrr if money were master, da instwaments of ideowology

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/covid-australia-2023-heart-disease-caused-by-lockdowns/ar-AA17nYjk

it’s full on disinformation fuck them

on the other hand



we got nothin’

we mean our voices are only so loud

Reply Quote

Date: 13/02/2023 23:43:14
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1994059
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

quality journalism we mean entitlement


“Look What You Made Us Threaten To Do¡”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-13/right-wing-terror-threat-declines-says-asio/101965964

guess it’s a pretty similar thing

Reply Quote

Date: 13/02/2023 23:44:45
From: transition
ID: 1994060
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

from the same reliable outlet

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-11740341/Could-lockdown-left-children-life-long-immunity-problems.html

I has me a derrr proper gander at news lastnight and just now, I sees a theme, I wonders how minds works, then I thinkies people with influence has ideas abouts how they ought work, and I has further thinkies about what value there could be in that, the derrr if money were master, da instwaments of ideowology

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/covid-australia-2023-heart-disease-caused-by-lockdowns/ar-AA17nYjk

it’s full on disinformation fuck them

on the other hand


fact is the injuries being caused by covid infections is potentially a serious embarrassment for the covidmongers

with that much to hide, expect endless distraction

Reply Quote

Date: 14/02/2023 12:49:45
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1994293
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

hey look the pandemic is over, a hundred people dying a week doesn’t matter

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-14/camilla-catches-covid/101970734

but if it’s some privileged rich hangover from an undemocratic medieval system then it’s fully newsworthy

¡

Reply Quote

Date: 14/02/2023 12:53:16
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1994295
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

oh wait did they mention that certain viral infections

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-14/multiple-sclerosis-on-the-rise-in-australia/101967164

were recently found to be virtually a necessary cause, so imagine if people actually cared about infection control oh damn

Reply Quote

Date: 14/02/2023 13:48:31
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1994311
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

it’s the ideas crowd


Reply Quote

Date: 14/02/2023 14:24:52
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1994339
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

hence pandemic

Reply Quote

Date: 14/02/2023 14:27:27
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1994342
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Peak Warming Man said:

SCIENCE said:

hey look the pandemic is over, a hundred people dying a week doesn’t matter

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-14/camilla-catches-covid/101970734

but if it’s some privileged rich hangover from an undemocratic medieval system then it’s fully newsworthy

¡

BREAKING

“Buckingham Palace announced that Queen Camilla is suffering from a ‘seasonal illness’ and has been forced to pull out of her engagements in the West Midlands.”

shakes fist at seasonal illness

fair call, once every season

Reply Quote

Date: 14/02/2023 14:37:15
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1994348
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Cymek said:

buffy said:

Peak Warming Man said:

BREAKING

“Buckingham Palace announced that Queen Camilla is suffering from a ‘seasonal illness’ and has been forced to pull out of her engagements in the West Midlands.”

shakes fist at seasonal illness

She’s got a cold.

Cross species illnesses are a worry

imagine needing monarchic privilege to turn a supply shocking economic crisis into a cold

Reply Quote

Date: 14/02/2023 14:47:17
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1994354
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Singapore The Conformist City State Of Sheeple

They Obey The Government Mask Mandate Wait

Wait

Reply Quote

Date: 14/02/2023 14:48:28
From: dv
ID: 1994355
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

Singapore The Conformist City State Of Sheeple

They Obey The Government Mask Mandate Wait

Wait

I mean … people in Singapore wore masks on the train before anyone heard of Covid-19.

Reply Quote

Date: 14/02/2023 15:45:45
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1994363
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

Singapore The Conformist City State Of Sheeple

They Obey The Government Mask Mandate Wait

Wait

I mean … people in Singapore wore masks on the train before anyone heard of Covid-19.

In Communist Authoritarian Dirty ASIAN Singapore, The Urgency Of Normal Is Not Disinformation

Reply Quote

Date: 14/02/2023 17:21:23
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 1994385
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Some of you may follow Physics Girl on Youtube. She caught the virus and now is in a pretty bad way. :(

Reply Quote

Date: 14/02/2023 17:37:54
From: Michael V
ID: 1994393
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Spiny Norman said:


Some of you may follow Physics Girl on Youtube. She caught the virus and now is in a pretty bad way. :(


She needs to be in hospital. Now.

Reply Quote

Date: 14/02/2023 18:13:30
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1994404
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Spiny Norman said:


Some of you may follow Physics Girl on Youtube. She caught the virus and now is in a pretty bad way. :(


I hope things get better for her.

Reply Quote

Date: 14/02/2023 18:49:03
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1994427
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

oh fuck this closure is going to cause so much immunity debt the alumni are going to be dying of infections for the next 50 years

A short time later, MSU police released two still images of the suspect, taken by a surveillance camera, that showed him walking into a building, then mounting a short flight of stairs, wearing a jacket, jeans, a baseball cap and a black mask over his lower face. MSU police said that all classes and school activities would be cancelled for 48 hours at the university’s flagship East Lansing campus, a sprawling public academic centre with some 50,000 students, mostly undergraduates.

Reply Quote

Date: 14/02/2023 22:05:50
From: transition
ID: 1994494
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Spiny Norman said:


Some of you may follow Physics Girl on Youtube. She caught the virus and now is in a pretty bad way. :(


read some, watched some on tube

plague, a menace, I says

Reply Quote

Date: 15/02/2023 11:58:46
From: ms spock
ID: 1994642
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.02.05.22270327v1.full.pdf

Preprint https://doi.org/10.1101/2022.02.05.22270327doi:

SARS-CoV-2 infects, replicates, elevates angiotensin II and activates immune cells1
in human testes

Reply Quote

Date: 15/02/2023 11:58:52
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1994643
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

transition said:

plague, a menace, I says

wait up humans are better than other animals because they learn quick


https://www.respectfulinsolence.com/2023/02/13/covid-19-is-now-a-leading-killer-of-children/

Reply Quote

Date: 15/02/2023 12:02:50
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1994644
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

ms spock said:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.02.05.22270327v1.full.pdf

Preprint https://doi.org/10.1101/2022.02.05.22270327

SARS-CoV-2 infects, replicates, elevates angiotensin II and activates immune cells1
in human testes

evolution

Reply Quote

Date: 15/02/2023 12:06:10
From: ms spock
ID: 1994647
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

transition said:

plague, a menace, I says

wait up humans are better than other animals because they learn quick


https://www.respectfulinsolence.com/2023/02/13/covid-19-is-now-a-leading-killer-of-children/

When Betsy DeVos said Covid didn’t kill children. All the parents whose children had died from Covid made an ad with pictures of all their dead children.

Reply Quote

Date: 15/02/2023 12:16:44
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1994650
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

LOL AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA LOL LOL

https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2023/01/15/why-health-care-services-are-in-chaos-everywhere

oh wait, not found in article: “post-pandemic” shit we wonder why

LOL

Reply Quote

Date: 15/02/2023 12:35:13
From: transition
ID: 1994659
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

transition said:

plague, a menace, I says

wait up humans are better than other animals because they learn quick


https://www.respectfulinsolence.com/2023/02/13/covid-19-is-now-a-leading-killer-of-children/

consider the loss of structure in heavily debt-financed-zero-responsibility for unlimited transmission of plague

madness

the height of the insanity was the situation of simple prophylaxis being discouraged, like masks for example, whatever to make prophylaxis abnormal

fucken twisted

meanwhile the mass injury proceeds, and (mass) denial is necessary in that context

Reply Quote

Date: 15/02/2023 13:22:06
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1994686
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-15/cyclone-gabrielle-leaves-two-dead/101974994

Reply Quote

Date: 15/02/2023 14:31:59
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1994726
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

snowflakes

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-15/nsw-nurses-report-ptsd-stress-burnout/101975606

Reply Quote

Date: 15/02/2023 15:11:05
From: transition
ID: 1994736
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

snowflakes

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-15/nsw-nurses-report-ptsd-stress-burnout/101975606

fortunate thing the broadcaster, has been there to help, it wouldn’t be party to vanishing covid into everywhereness

Reply Quote

Date: 15/02/2023 16:38:00
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1994762
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/child-in-critical-condition-after-being-hit-by-a-bus-20230215-p5ckt9.html

Reply Quote

Date: 15/02/2023 21:40:49
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1994869
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

roughbarked said:

ChrispenEvan said:

transition said:

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

Peak Warming Man said:

“Bird flu ‘may mutate to kill more than 50% of humans’
Bird flu could mutate to become even more harmful to humans due to the ongoing unprecedented outbreak, experts fear.
Cases of the killer H5N1 strain, which are at record levels, have already jumped from birds to foxes, otters and mink.
It has sparked huge concern among top virologists that the deadly pathogen is now one step closer to spreading in humans — a hurdle which has so far stopped it from triggering a pandemic.”

Whatever you do don’t let SCIENCE see this.
If you see him wandering around in the chat thread and think he might stumble on this post show him something shiny to lead him away.

Dump it in the COVID thread, where it may amuse him and transition for days.

What was the link? Is there more to read?

easy enough to find, try search, the daily fail maybe, or whatever

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/other/bird-flu-may-mutate-to-kill-more-than-50-of-humans/ar-AA17sI02

Link

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/02/14/health/bird-flu-threat/index.html

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2095018/

nothing to worry about, it won’t spread easily from human to human, if at all

The WHO noted that coronaviruses emerge periodically — including in 2002 to cause SARS and in 2012 to cause MERS. It said that according to Chinese authorities, the virus behind the Wuhan cases can cause severe illness in some patients and does not appear to pass easily from person to person.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-10/china-new-virus-linked-to-sars-mers/11856728

“From the information that we have it is possible that there is limited human-to-human transmission, potentially among families, but it is very clear right now that we have no sustained human-to-human transmission,” Dr van Kerkhove said.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-15/who-says-new-china-coronavirus-could-spread,-warns-hospitals-wo/11868394

Reply Quote

Date: 15/02/2023 21:57:23
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1994881
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

oops

The research, based on one of the largest data sets of Covid patients, found up to 46% of patients had liver abnormalities caused by the virus itself, the overuse of experimental and potentially dangerous drugs early in the pandemic, and critically low oxygen levels.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mumbai/46-of-covid-patients-have-liver-damage-study/articleshowprint/97809200.cms

oops


oops

https://twitter.com/drclairetaylor/status/1624016748998496256


“oops”

Reply Quote

Date: 15/02/2023 22:49:35
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1994896
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Reply Quote

Date: 15/02/2023 22:56:01
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1994897
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

I’ll give the GP a call tomorrow and ask if it’s possible for me to get a fifth Covid booster on Monday when I go in for the punch biopsy.

Reply Quote

Date: 16/02/2023 08:05:25
From: roughbarked
ID: 1994943
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:


I’m booked for my fifth shot.

Reply Quote

Date: 16/02/2023 08:06:14
From: roughbarked
ID: 1994944
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Bubblecar said:


I’ll give the GP a call tomorrow and ask if it’s possible for me to get a fifth Covid booster on Monday when I go in for the punch biopsy.

I talked ro my GP and he said it is only being given out to the immunocompromised.

Reply Quote

Date: 16/02/2023 08:57:48
From: ms spock
ID: 1994962
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

roughbarked said:


Bubblecar said:

I’ll give the GP a call tomorrow and ask if it’s possible for me to get a fifth Covid booster on Monday when I go in for the punch biopsy.

I talked ro my GP and he said it is only being given out to the immunocompromised.

Apparently that is changing or has changed Spiny Norman was speaking about this recently.

Reply Quote

Date: 16/02/2023 09:37:03
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1994977
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

ms spock said:

roughbarked said:

Bubblecar said:

I’ll give the GP a call tomorrow and ask if it’s possible for me to get a fifth Covid booster on Monday when I go in for the punch biopsy.

I talked ro my GP and he said it is only being given out to the immunocompromised.

Apparently that is changing or has changed Spiny Norman was speaking about this recently.

https://www.health.gov.au/our-work/covid-19-vaccines/getting-your-vaccination/booster-doses

An additional booster, is recommended for people at increased risk of severe illness, to be given 3 months after their first booster dose.

This additional booster will be a fourth dose for most people and a fifth for people who are severely immunocompromised.

You should get an additional booster if you are:

ATAGI has advised people aged 30 to 49 years old can receive an additional booster if they choose.

The Economy Must Grow ¡

Reply Quote

Date: 16/02/2023 09:56:25
From: ms spock
ID: 1994990
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

ms spock said:

roughbarked said:

I talked ro my GP and he said it is only being given out to the immunocompromised.

Apparently that is changing or has changed Spiny Norman was speaking about this recently.

https://www.health.gov.au/our-work/covid-19-vaccines/getting-your-vaccination/booster-doses

An additional booster, is recommended for people at increased risk of severe illness, to be given 3 months after their first booster dose.

This additional booster will be a fourth dose for most people and a fifth for people who are severely immunocompromised.

You should get an additional booster if you are:

  • 50 years or older
  • 16 years or older and a resident of an aged care or disability care facility
  • 16 years or older and severely immunocompromised
  • Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander and aged 50 years and older
  • 16 years or older with a medical condition that increases the risk of severe COVID-19 illness
  • 16 years or older with a disability..

ATAGI has advised people aged 30 to 49 years old can receive an additional booster if they choose.

The Economy Must Grow ¡

Spiny can talk about that. Spiny believes that a 5th dose is now obtainable.

Reply Quote

Date: 16/02/2023 10:28:13
From: ms spock
ID: 1995011
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

LOL AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA LOL LOL

https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2023/01/15/why-health-care-services-are-in-chaos-everywhere

oh wait, not found in article: “post-pandemic” shit we wonder why

LOL

Why most economists continue to back lockdowns

Understanding exponential growth

Why have economists endorsed the policy of suppression with more enthusiasm than, for example, political and business leaders?

First, because economists understand the concept of exponential growth.

While economics’ stress on growth is rightly contested, its centrality to economic concepts means related concepts from epidemiology, such as the reproduction number ®, are immediately comprehensible to us.

Once you understand how rapidly exponential processes can grow, the idea that lockdowns are “disproportionate responses to a handful of cases”, as The Australian has editorialised, loses its superficial attraction.

A clear majority of economists surveyed by The Conversation in May 2020 (after the end of the national lockdown) supported strong social distancing measures to keep R below 1. Most of those who disagreed felt alternative measures could hold R below 1 at lower costs. Only a handful supported a “let it rip” strategy.
———————————————-
It doesn’t make sense to me. When there are no clear management guidelines and protections citizens do their own protections.

Reply Quote

Date: 16/02/2023 10:32:13
From: Michael V
ID: 1995020
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

ms spock said:

roughbarked said:

I talked ro my GP and he said it is only being given out to the immunocompromised.

Apparently that is changing or has changed Spiny Norman was speaking about this recently.

https://www.health.gov.au/our-work/covid-19-vaccines/getting-your-vaccination/booster-doses

An additional booster, is recommended for people at increased risk of severe illness, to be given 3 months after their first booster dose.

This additional booster will be a fourth dose for most people and a fifth for people who are severely immunocompromised.

You should get an additional booster if you are:

  • 50 years or older
  • 16 years or older and a resident of an aged care or disability care facility
  • 16 years or older and severely immunocompromised
  • Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander and aged 50 years and older
  • 16 years or older with a medical condition that increases the risk of severe COVID-19 illness
  • 16 years or older with a disability..

ATAGI has advised people aged 30 to 49 years old can receive an additional booster if they choose.

The Economy Must Grow ¡

I think that changes on 22 Feb or so.

Reply Quote

Date: 16/02/2023 10:35:24
From: Michael V
ID: 1995023
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

ms spock said:


SCIENCE said:

ms spock said:

Apparently that is changing or has changed Spiny Norman was speaking about this recently.

https://www.health.gov.au/our-work/covid-19-vaccines/getting-your-vaccination/booster-doses

An additional booster, is recommended for people at increased risk of severe illness, to be given 3 months after their first booster dose.

This additional booster will be a fourth dose for most people and a fifth for people who are severely immunocompromised.

You should get an additional booster if you are:

  • 50 years or older
  • 16 years or older and a resident of an aged care or disability care facility
  • 16 years or older and severely immunocompromised
  • Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander and aged 50 years and older
  • 16 years or older with a medical condition that increases the risk of severe COVID-19 illness
  • 16 years or older with a disability..

ATAGI has advised people aged 30 to 49 years old can receive an additional booster if they choose.

The Economy Must Grow ¡

Spiny can talk about that. Spiny believes that a 5th dose is now obtainable.

Not quite yet. I think it’s from Feb 22.

Reply Quote

Date: 16/02/2023 10:39:47
From: Tamb
ID: 1995027
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Michael V said:


ms spock said:

SCIENCE said:

https://www.health.gov.au/our-work/covid-19-vaccines/getting-your-vaccination/booster-doses

An additional booster, is recommended for people at increased risk of severe illness, to be given 3 months after their first booster dose.

This additional booster will be a fourth dose for most people and a fifth for people who are severely immunocompromised.

You should get an additional booster if you are:

  • 50 years or older
  • 16 years or older and a resident of an aged care or disability care facility
  • 16 years or older and severely immunocompromised
  • Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander and aged 50 years and older
  • 16 years or older with a medical condition that increases the risk of severe COVID-19 illness
  • 16 years or older with a disability..

ATAGI has advised people aged 30 to 49 years old can receive an additional booster if they choose.

The Economy Must Grow ¡

Spiny can talk about that. Spiny believes that a 5th dose is now obtainable.

Not quite yet. I think it’s from Feb 22.


When I go to Liz Plummer cancer ward on Monday I’ll get the up to date info & any jabs they recommend.

Reply Quote

Date: 16/02/2023 10:44:16
From: ms spock
ID: 1995028
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Michael V said:


ms spock said:

SCIENCE said:

https://www.health.gov.au/our-work/covid-19-vaccines/getting-your-vaccination/booster-doses

An additional booster, is recommended for people at increased risk of severe illness, to be given 3 months after their first booster dose.

This additional booster will be a fourth dose for most people and a fifth for people who are severely immunocompromised.

You should get an additional booster if you are:

  • 50 years or older
  • 16 years or older and a resident of an aged care or disability care facility
  • 16 years or older and severely immunocompromised
  • Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander and aged 50 years and older
  • 16 years or older with a medical condition that increases the risk of severe COVID-19 illness
  • 16 years or older with a disability..

ATAGI has advised people aged 30 to 49 years old can receive an additional booster if they choose.

The Economy Must Grow ¡

Spiny can talk about that. Spiny believes that a 5th dose is now obtainable.

Not quite yet. I think it’s from Feb 22.

Ah!

Reply Quote

Date: 16/02/2023 10:44:57
From: ms spock
ID: 1995029
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Tamb said:


Michael V said:

ms spock said:

Spiny can talk about that. Spiny believes that a 5th dose is now obtainable.

Not quite yet. I think it’s from Feb 22.


When I go to Liz Plummer cancer ward on Monday I’ll get the up to date info & any jabs they recommend.

I hope you can get the bivalent one that covers the later variants if my reading of the situation is correct.

Reply Quote

Date: 16/02/2023 10:45:53
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1995030
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Michael V said:


ms spock said:

SCIENCE said:

https://www.health.gov.au/our-work/covid-19-vaccines/getting-your-vaccination/booster-doses

An additional booster, is recommended for people at increased risk of severe illness, to be given 3 months after their first booster dose.

This additional booster will be a fourth dose for most people and a fifth for people who are severely immunocompromised.

You should get an additional booster if you are:

  • 50 years or older
  • 16 years or older and a resident of an aged care or disability care facility
  • 16 years or older and severely immunocompromised
  • Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander and aged 50 years and older
  • 16 years or older with a medical condition that increases the risk of severe COVID-19 illness
  • 16 years or older with a disability..

ATAGI has advised people aged 30 to 49 years old can receive an additional booster if they choose.

The Economy Must Grow ¡

Spiny can talk about that. Spiny believes that a 5th dose is now obtainable.

Not quite yet. I think it’s from Feb 22.

As sure as there’s shit in a cat there’ll be another strain.
I’ll wait until they go nuts over the new strain and then think about getting a fourth shot.
Basically they are making it up as they go along and that’s fine, it’s a learning curve for them.
I don’t want to be at the front of the curve, I’ll hang back a bit while they learn good.

Reply Quote

Date: 16/02/2023 10:46:12
From: roughbarked
ID: 1995031
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

ms spock said:


Michael V said:

ms spock said:

Spiny can talk about that. Spiny believes that a 5th dose is now obtainable.

Not quite yet. I think it’s from Feb 22.

Ah!

Dr made my appointment for March 3.

Reply Quote

Date: 16/02/2023 10:49:47
From: Tamb
ID: 1995033
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

ms spock said:


Tamb said:

Michael V said:

Not quite yet. I think it’s from Feb 22.


When I go to Liz Plummer cancer ward on Monday I’ll get the up to date info & any jabs they recommend.

I hope you can get the bivalent one that covers the later variants if my reading of the situation is correct.


The haematologist is talking world record for my treatment so I’m sure they’ll give me the best of everything.

Reply Quote

Date: 16/02/2023 10:55:30
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1995035
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Tamb said:


ms spock said:

Tamb said:

When I go to Liz Plummer cancer ward on Monday I’ll get the up to date info & any jabs they recommend.

I hope you can get the bivalent one that covers the later variants if my reading of the situation is correct.


The haematologist is talking world record for my treatment so I’m sure they’ll give me the best of everything.

Yore going to be famous.

Reply Quote

Date: 16/02/2023 10:57:50
From: Tamb
ID: 1995036
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Peak Warming Man said:


Tamb said:

ms spock said:

I hope you can get the bivalent one that covers the later variants if my reading of the situation is correct.


The haematologist is talking world record for my treatment so I’m sure they’ll give me the best of everything.

Yore going to be famous.

And it’s only taken 654 needles (so far).

Reply Quote

Date: 16/02/2023 10:59:05
From: Woodie
ID: 1995037
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Peak Warming Man said:


Tamb said:

ms spock said:

I hope you can get the bivalent one that covers the later variants if my reading of the situation is correct.


The haematologist is talking world record for my treatment so I’m sure they’ll give me the best of everything.

Yore going to be famous.

Yeah. Guinness Book of World Records I’d say, hey what but!!

Reply Quote

Date: 16/02/2023 11:00:04
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1995038
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Tamb said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Tamb said:

The haematologist is talking world record for my treatment so I’m sure they’ll give me the best of everything.

Yore going to be famous.

And it’s only taken 654 needles (so far).

You get them in the stomach muscle, yeah?

Reply Quote

Date: 16/02/2023 11:09:48
From: Tamb
ID: 1995043
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Peak Warming Man said:


Tamb said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Yore going to be famous.

And it’s only taken 654 needles (so far).

You get them in the stomach muscle, yeah?


Subcutaneous in a layer of fat I’ve grown in my lower abdomen.

Reply Quote

Date: 16/02/2023 18:26:50
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1995229
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

How Deadly Was China’s Covid Wave?
By James Glanz, Mara Hvistendahl and Agnes Chang
Feb. 15, 2023

Two months after China ended “zero Covid,” rough estimates suggest that between 1 and 1.5 million people died — far more than the official count.

After China relaxed the world’s most stringent Covid-19 restrictions in December, the virus exploded. Hints of the surge were everywhere: Hospitals turned away patients. Crematories were overwhelmed with bodies. A wave of top scholars died.

But China’s official Covid death toll for the entire pandemic remains strikingly low: 83,150 people as of Feb. 9. That number is a vast undercount, researchers believe, in part because it only includes infected people who died in hospitals, excluding anyone who died at home.

While a precise accounting is impossible, epidemiologists have been working to piece together the mystery of the outbreak that accelerated in December. Four separate academic teams have converged on broadly similar estimates: China’s Covid wave may have killed between a million and 1.5 million people.

All of the researchers consulted by The New York Times cautioned that without reliable data from China, the estimates should be understood as informed guesses, with significant uncertainty — although the estimates fit the evidence far better than the official figures do.

The question of how many people died has enormous political relevance for the ruling Communist Party. Early in the pandemic, China’s harsh lockdowns largely kept the coronavirus at bay. Xi Jinping, the top leader, has portrayed that earlier success as evidence of China’s superiority over the West, a claim that would be hard to maintain with a high death toll.

The differences between China’s figures and researchers’ estimates are dramatic. The official numbers would give China the lowest death rate per capita of any major country over the entirety of the pandemic. But at the estimated levels of mortality, China would already have surpassed official rates of death in many Asian countries that never clamped down as long or as aggressively.

At the same time, China would rank below Germany, Italy, the United States and other countries where outbreaks accelerated before vaccines became available.

Two of the estimates were in papers published in academic journals or posted for peer review, while two other analyses were shared by epidemiologists in response to queries from The Times.

Researchers used a variety of approaches to gauge how many people may have been infected and — a crucial question — how effective China’s homegrown vaccines were at preventing death. Some drew on how the virus behaved in past outbreaks in Hong Kong and Shanghai, where data was more reliable, and a few used detailed computer models to simulate the epidemic.

Still others turned to official sampling data, based on China’s systematic testing of hundreds of thousands of people, to develop a model that estimated deaths to be far beyond the government’s tally.

“If the data say what we think they say, this was an explosive wave,” said Lauren Ancel Meyers, a professor of biology and statistics at the University of Texas at Austin.

China has a narrow definition of what counts as a Covid-19 death.

As crematories were inundated in December, Chinese officials only announced deaths that involved respiratory failure, leaving out infected people who died of liver, kidney or cardiac failure — an omission that was met with widespread skepticism. In mid-January, the government started releasing data on other deaths, but the figures are still incomplete.

Most glaringly, they exclude people who died outside hospitals. While it is impossible to know exactly how many deaths at home have been missed, from 2018 to 2020, only around one-fifth of all deaths in China occurred in hospitals.

The official figure is “certainly an underreport of all Covid deaths,” said Yong Cai, a demographer at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill who studies mortality in China. “There’s no question about that.”

While government data shows that China has doubled the number of intensive care beds since 2020, hospitals were still overloaded during the recent surge. Experts believe hospital deaths probably still account for only a small proportion of total deaths.

“With such a rapid spread, the I.C.U. beds definitely were not enough to cope with the peak,” said Shengjie Lai, an epidemiologist at the University of Southampton.

The number of people infected is unknown, which further complicates understanding the reach of the epidemic. After two years of widespread testing and quarantining, the Chinese government in December shuttered once-ubiquitous testing centers and made the reporting of self-test results voluntary.

Other data is missing. At least nine cities in different parts of China, including Beijing, have stopped publishing quarterly cremation totals.

One estimate, published last year by scientists largely at Fudan University in Shanghai, used a previous Omicron outbreak in Shanghai to estimate how quickly the virus might spread in mainland China.

The virus spread through the city early last year, before lockdowns and other social restrictions had a chance to slow it down. The researchers used data from that period to inform a disease model that estimated how a future outbreak might play out if strict control measures were removed.

The researchers made a number of assumptions: how many I.C.U. beds would be available, when a lockdown would end and how quickly people would receive additional vaccines.

But if anything, the estimate might be conservative, said Bruce Y. Lee, an infectious disease modeler at City University of New York who was not involved in the research.

The study assumed an outbreak during the spring and summer, when more people are outdoors, meaning the rate of transmission would be relatively slow. But the virus took off in China in the winter.

“The evidence is that this virus is demonstrating seasonality,” Dr. Lee said. “If you had to guess, you would expect the reproduction rate to increase during the winter.”

The focus of the paper was on how treatment, vaccination and other measures might be able to slow the wave and reduce the toll. But the work was unwavering in its ultimate conclusion: Ending the “zero Covid” policy was likely to overwhelm the health care system, producing an estimated 1.6 million deaths.

The toll of China’s outbreak would also have been influenced by the age, and the movements, of those infected.

In a more recent paper, three scientists at the University of Hong Kong estimated deaths by looking at how many people in each age group died during previous outbreaks in other countries, and adjusting the data for China’s demographics. Several researchers made similar calculations.

The Hong Kong researchers also modeled how increased travel around China’s Lunar New Year, the busiest travel period of the year, would help to spread the virus. They estimated that the surge might kill about 970,000 people by the end of January.

Bill Hanage, a Harvard epidemiologist who was not involved in the work, said the degree to which holiday travel affected transmission would be hard to pin down precisely. But he said the approach was sound in principle.

“I think they’ve done pretty well,” Dr. Hanage said.

A third team of researchers shared another estimate with The Times, using information that became available after the worst of the outbreak had passed.

The researchers — Dr. Meyers at the University of Texas and Zhanwei Du, an epidemiologist at the University of Hong Kong — found a unique way into another crucial question: How many people were infected? Even after China eliminated its mass testing program, health officials continued to test hundreds of thousands of people from around the country between mid-December and mid-January in an effort to track infection rates, according to a report from the Chinese C.D.C.

Based on that data, they inferred that 90 percent of the population was infected in little more than a month.

While the figure is high, epidemiologists who were not involved with the project said such a rate was plausible. And in January, a leading government epidemiologist said on Weibo, a Chinese social media platform, that 80 percent of the population had been infected. Some European companies’ operations in China saw infection rates of 90 percent among their employees in December, Joerg Wuttke, the president of the European Union Chamber of Commerce in China, told The Times in an interview.

When the researchers incorporated the timing of the outbreak, estimated fatality rates and the effect of vaccinations into a statistical model, they found that the outbreak may have killed about 1.5 million people. Given the uncertainties — like how quickly the vaccines took effect — a plausible range for the estimate was 1.2 to 1.7 million deaths, Dr. Meyers said.

Numerous factors could affect how accurately the sampling program in China gauged the true number of infections, Dr. Meyers cautioned. She called those figures “highly uncertain” and pointed out that any inaccuracies would influence the estimate.

Even the simplest calculations by disease modelers found that the number of deaths was very likely to be an order of magnitude higher than the official tally.

Jeffrey Shaman, an epidemiologist and professor of environmental health sciences at Columbia University, started with a simple assumption, that the fatality rate for people infected in China was roughly the same as it presently is in the United States: 0.15 percent, or about 1 in 650 people.

Various factors could balance out, Dr. Shaman said. China uses different vaccines than the U.S. But China’s population had been less exposed to the virus by the time the outbreak hit, making it more susceptible.

At a fatality rate similar to America’s, if 40 to 65 percent of China’s population was infected — a conservative estimate — then between 900,000 and 1.4 million people may have died, he said.

Ben Cowling, an epidemiologist at the University of Hong Kong, arrived at a similar death toll by considering only the 82 million people in China aged 60 and older who were unvaccinated or had received fewer than three vaccine doses as of late November. If 80 percent of that group were infected, he would expect more than a million of them to have died, given their limited immunity and exposure to the virus, he told the Foreign Correspondents’ Club of China last week.

China is, after all, the only country in the world that faced its first major wave of infections without making any attempt to slow it, resulting in what Dr. Cowling conjectured was the fastest spread of a respiratory pandemic virus in modern history.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/02/15/world/asia/china-covid-death-estimates.html?

Reply Quote

Date: 16/02/2023 18:31:40
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1995231
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

so it’s just a mild cold

Reply Quote

Date: 16/02/2023 19:15:15
From: transition
ID: 1995248
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:


so it’s just a mild cold

sssshh finger on lips

china’s not keenly counting covid-related deaths like the liberal countries do

Reply Quote

Date: 16/02/2023 21:38:32
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1995287
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-16/almond-milk-recalled-in-nsw-over-botulism-fears/101985952

Reply Quote

Date: 16/02/2023 22:55:16
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1995293
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

fkn CHINA suppressing data

Reply Quote

Date: 17/02/2023 09:01:30
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1995368
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

LtfOL

https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2023-02-17/bird-flu-h5n1-global-pandemic-poultry-vaccination-wild-animals/101972756

especially in these modern ages when as you all remember we even extinguished one influenza lineage just this last few years

Reply Quote

Date: 18/02/2023 12:09:56
From: transition
ID: 1995810
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

pondering what might be potentially usefully extracted from the thought exercise of conceptualizing the epithelium as an organ, or what might be lost on failing to do so. Not saying it is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epithelium

Reply Quote

Date: 18/02/2023 12:14:42
From: transition
ID: 1995814
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

transition said:


pondering what might be potentially usefully extracted from the thought exercise of conceptualizing the epithelium as an organ, or what might be lost on failing to do so. Not saying it is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epithelium

sees olfactory epithelium in the list

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_organs_of_the_human_body

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_(biology)

Reply Quote

Date: 18/02/2023 13:15:54
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1995830
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHW1y-FpyII


Reply Quote

Date: 18/02/2023 14:05:22
From: transition
ID: 1995835
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

watching various from the good doctor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEwktv-AGEw
Pandemic unnecessary deaths, the data

Reply Quote

Date: 18/02/2023 14:14:26
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1995836
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

transition said:


watching various from the good doctor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEwktv-AGEw
Pandemic unnecessary deaths, the data

why does he qualify as good? And the doctor bit is a PhD is it not?

Reply Quote

Date: 18/02/2023 14:16:48
From: transition
ID: 1995838
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

sarahs mum said:


transition said:

watching various from the good doctor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEwktv-AGEw
Pandemic unnecessary deaths, the data

why does he qualify as good? And the doctor bit is a PhD is it not?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Campbell_(YouTuber)

Reply Quote

Date: 18/02/2023 14:20:20
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1995839
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

transition said:


sarahs mum said:

transition said:

watching various from the good doctor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEwktv-AGEw
Pandemic unnecessary deaths, the data

why does he qualify as good? And the doctor bit is a PhD is it not?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Campbell_(YouTuber)

Given that he’s identified there as a crank, why watch his videos?

Reply Quote

Date: 18/02/2023 14:22:39
From: transition
ID: 1995840
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Bubblecar said:


transition said:

sarahs mum said:

why does he qualify as good? And the doctor bit is a PhD is it not?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Campbell_(YouTuber)

Given that he’s identified there as a crank, why watch his videos?

watch a few and make your own mind up

Reply Quote

Date: 18/02/2023 14:23:32
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1995842
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Bubblecar said:


transition said:

sarahs mum said:

why does he qualify as good? And the doctor bit is a PhD is it not?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Campbell_(YouTuber)

Given that he’s identified there as a crank, why watch his videos?

Worse than crank.

Reply Quote

Date: 18/02/2023 14:23:55
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1995843
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

transition said:


Bubblecar said:

transition said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Campbell_(YouTuber)

Given that he’s identified there as a crank, why watch his videos?

watch a few and make your own mind up

i tried to watch one once and got angry.

Reply Quote

Date: 18/02/2023 14:24:13
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1995844
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Bubblecar said:


transition said:

sarahs mum said:

why does he qualify as good? And the doctor bit is a PhD is it not?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Campbell_(YouTuber)

Given that he’s identified there as a crank, why watch his videos?

Well he’s got a Ph.D. in nursing from the University of Bolton.

Reply Quote

Date: 18/02/2023 14:25:50
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1995846
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Peak Warming Man said:


Bubblecar said:

transition said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Campbell_(YouTuber)

Given that he’s identified there as a crank, why watch his videos?

Well he’s got a Ph.D. in nursing from the University of Bolton.

teaching nursing via video.

Reply Quote

Date: 18/02/2023 14:29:02
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1995848
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

sarahs mum said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Bubblecar said:

Given that he’s identified there as a crank, why watch his videos?

Well he’s got a Ph.D. in nursing from the University of Bolton.

teaching nursing via video.

I don’t know but he got it from the prestigious university of Bolton.

Reply Quote

Date: 18/02/2023 15:23:33
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1995879
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Bubblecar said:


transition said:

sarahs mum said:

why does he qualify as good? And the doctor bit is a PhD is it not?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Campbell_(YouTuber)

Given that he’s identified there as a crank, why watch his videos?

we agree but why do people study for example National Socialist Germany in history

Reply Quote

Date: 18/02/2023 15:57:19
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1995887
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:


Bubblecar said:

transition said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Campbell_(YouTuber)

Given that he’s identified there as a crank, why watch his videos?

we agree but why do people study for example National Socialist Germany in history

because they like the uniforms?

Reply Quote

Date: 18/02/2023 22:43:22
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1996067
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

ChrispenEvan said:

SCIENCE said:

Bubblecar said:

Given that he’s identified there as a crank, why watch his videos?

we agree but why do people study for example National Socialist Germany in history

because they like the uniforms?

they do look kind of similar


https://tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/posts/1995271/
https://tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/posts/1995272/

Reply Quote

Date: 19/02/2023 00:58:37
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1996091
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

good luck with the weight peoples

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-17/national-plan-to-tackle-long-covid-being-developed/101992732

Reply Quote

Date: 19/02/2023 01:21:06
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1996098
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

LOL

https://www.statnews.com/2023/02/16/the-haunting-brain-science-of-long-covid/

Reply Quote

Date: 19/02/2023 02:02:42
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1996102
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023


Reply Quote

Date: 19/02/2023 05:31:16
From: transition
ID: 1996108
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

good luck with the weight peoples

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-17/national-plan-to-tackle-long-covid-being-developed/101992732

darwinian medicine, darwinian arseholery, your ideological friend

Reply Quote

Date: 19/02/2023 07:09:13
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1996113
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-19/indonesian-nickel-smelter-workers-allege-unsafe-conditions-/101975708

Reply Quote

Date: 19/02/2023 23:59:28
From: transition
ID: 1996340
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:


the first part of the strategy apparently, re covid-induced injury from viral insult, is to have lots of it, any amount of it, the pollution

certainly the air people swap – breathe – didn’t get any cleaner did it

Reply Quote

Date: 20/02/2023 08:28:17
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1996376
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

transition said:

SCIENCE said:


the first part of the strategy apparently, re covid-induced injury from viral insult, is to have lots of it, any amount of it, the pollution

certainly the air people swap – breathe – didn’t get any cleaner did it

ours did

Reply Quote

Date: 20/02/2023 09:03:27
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1996382
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Laugh The Fuck Out Loud

When inflation began to soar in late 2021, they all sang in unison. They even used the same lyrics. Inflation was transitory, they said, a natural reaction to the sudden reopening of the economy.

maybe

By the time they realised inflation was entrenched, it was almost too late and they were forced to act with undue haste with a monetary wrecking ball that now is wreaking havoc across the developed world.

because it couldn’t possibly be that supply shock is the

Reply Quote

Date: 20/02/2023 09:05:17
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1996383
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

Laugh The Fuck Out Loud

When inflation began to soar in late 2021, they all sang in unison. They even used the same lyrics. Inflation was transitory, they said, a natural reaction to the sudden reopening of the economy.

maybe

By the time they realised inflation was entrenched, it was almost too late and they were forced to act with undue haste with a monetary wrecking ball that now is wreaking havoc across the developed world.

because it couldn’t possibly be that supply shock is the

oh wait oh fuck

Reply Quote

Date: 20/02/2023 09:07:14
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1996384
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

Laugh The Fuck Out Loud

When inflation began to soar in late 2021, they all sang in unison. They even used the same lyrics. Inflation was transitory, they said, a natural reaction to the sudden reopening of the economy.

maybe

By the time they realised inflation was entrenched, it was almost too late and they were forced to act with undue haste with a monetary wrecking ball that now is wreaking havoc across the developed world.

because it couldn’t possibly be that supply shock is the

oh wait oh fuck

oh

According to Dr Lowe, at least 75 per cent of our inflation problem is from external forces: supply issues we can’t do anything about and that rate hikes won’t fix. Then, last Friday, under questioning before a Parliamentary Committee, the governor dropped this bombshell. “Our models are not well suited for supply shocks,” Dr Lowe said. “It just can’t deal with supply shocks.”

LOL

That’s hardly comforting. Essentially, the RBA governor has admitted he is flying blind. And the RBA, in an effort to restore professional credibility, is being goaded into ever more action by money markets and other central banks. Given the delayed reaction to interest rate movements, the danger of overdoing it — going too hard and too quickly — is high and rising. Already, worrying signs are emerging.

next they’ll be blaming the reaction to rates for the failure of The Economy Must Grow, they’ll pretend that a lack of supply is not a cause of a lack of economic activity

ahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Reply Quote

Date: 20/02/2023 09:17:09
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1996389
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

another shock révélation, exercise trains people and makes them able to do more exercise

After participating in the exercise regimen, participants experienced about a 15 per cent increase in the amount of exercise they were able to do

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-20/could-exercise-help-some-long-covid-sufferers/101975206

damn

Reply Quote

Date: 20/02/2023 10:26:31
From: transition
ID: 1996402
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

another shock révélation, exercise trains people and makes them able to do more exercise

After participating in the exercise regimen, participants experienced about a 15 per cent increase in the amount of exercise they were able to do

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-20/could-exercise-help-some-long-covid-sufferers/101975206

damn

a lovely read, sort of takes you to the possibility it’s a ‘symptomatic condition’ of or associated perception/s (maybe), and if any uncertainty lingers once that lands in your head you might be inclined to fully resolve it with greater certainty, arrive at ‘symptoms’ as the way you conceptualize it

counter-symptoms might be the fix

I notice much is being made of ‘symptoms’ (speaking more generally of what I read), and a (suspiciously?) vast range of them apparently, I gather though the common theme is that effort is less enjoyable in some way, or made less enjoyable

who’d have any complaints at all if whatever (insert injury, disease, or apply preferred pathologizing hoodoo) didn’t result in physical effort (including the force of mental effort one might assume) being less enjoyable

your dis-ease needs a remedy, to regain the ease

of course there is symptomless disease also, like before you had covid, sustained a viral insult, got injured that way, anyway plenty fertile territory for hoodoo, you might forget what the symptomless disease was before covid unlimited, unaware of the darwinian medicine

I think the answer might be enjoyable exercise

keep up the good work

Reply Quote

Date: 20/02/2023 11:37:07
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1996440
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

holy fuck apparently the findings are that 80% of young people who moved home during the pandemic found it a positive experience

A major report finds that one-in-five young people who moved home during the pandemic found the period difficult or “not beneficial”

so what do you know, they like a title that suggests that it was overall bad

Fears for ‘invisible’ young people forced home by COVID pandemic and stuck there due to cost of living

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-20/young-people-stuck-at-home-due-to-covid-pandemic-cost-of-living/101991208

https://aifs.gov.au/research/commissioned-reports/young-adults-returning-live-parents-during-covid-19

Reply Quote

Date: 20/02/2023 13:13:00
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1996464
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-20/australian-dies-new-caledonia-shark-attack/101996660

Reply Quote

Date: 20/02/2023 17:28:26
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1996544
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-20/australian-dies-new-caledonia-shark-attack/101996660

https://www.abc.net.au/news/backstory/2023-02-19/leigh-sales-australian-story-news-anxiety-730-floor-manager/101973774

Let me give you an example: 3,747 Australians died of catastrophic falls in 2021, according to the Australian Bureau of Statistics (by contrast, COVID deaths were 1,122). I guarantee the possibility of a fatal fall is not front of mind for most people, even though it is one of the most common causes of death in Australia. But if every single day, the media started covering the 10 people who had died in falls, and we had their families crying on TV and calling for action, and we had “experts” going, “We have to do something about all the people dying from accidental falls,” I’m sure it would spark mass public anxiety. People would start thinking they were at significant personal risk of dying from a fall and suddenly we’d be seeing politicians announce non-slip floor mats are mandatory everywhere and there would be new regulations for shoe soles and so on.

The other thing that I think causes the public unnecessary anxiety is the over-emphasis of doomsday predictions on the opinion of one so-called “expert”. It’s the equivalent of crystal-ball gazing and we need to stop treating it as if it’s news. Those kinds of stories are endemic. “Housing prices set to fall 25 per cent” will scream the headline. Then you read on and the fortune-telling is based on one person’s opinion. The story will also neglect to mention that it’s a 25 per cent worst-case scenario prediction off the back of a year of crazy 30 per cent price rises.

Reply Quote

Date: 20/02/2023 17:43:02
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1996556
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

LOL

Reply Quote

Date: 20/02/2023 17:57:07
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1996570
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-20/australian-dies-new-caledonia-shark-attack/101996660

https://www.abc.net.au/news/backstory/2023-02-19/leigh-sales-australian-story-news-anxiety-730-floor-manager/101973774

Let me give you an example: 3,747 Australians died of catastrophic falls in 2021, according to the Australian Bureau of Statistics (by contrast, COVID deaths were 1,122). I guarantee the possibility of a fatal fall is not front of mind for most people, even though it is one of the most common causes of death in Australia. But if every single day, the media started covering the 10 people who had died in falls, and we had their families crying on TV and calling for action, and we had “experts” going, “We have to do something about all the people dying from accidental falls,” I’m sure it would spark mass public anxiety. People would start thinking they were at significant personal risk of dying from a fall and suddenly we’d be seeing politicians announce non-slip floor mats are mandatory everywhere and there would be new regulations for shoe soles and so on.

The other thing that I think causes the public unnecessary anxiety is the over-emphasis of doomsday predictions on the opinion of one so-called “expert”. It’s the equivalent of crystal-ball gazing and we need to stop treating it as if it’s news. Those kinds of stories are endemic. “Housing prices set to fall 25 per cent” will scream the headline. Then you read on and the fortune-telling is based on one person’s opinion. The story will also neglect to mention that it’s a 25 per cent worst-case scenario prediction off the back of a year of crazy 30 per cent price rises.

if you’re wondering

Reply Quote

Date: 20/02/2023 18:11:59
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1996591
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

How To Be Extremely Charitable




accidental nonreconciliation

just like oops we couldn’t say sorry, it was an accident

Reply Quote

Date: 20/02/2023 18:36:38
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1996610
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

yeah but

https://whn.global/common-names-for-variants/

after getting one of these your roses might not smell at all

Reply Quote

Date: 20/02/2023 18:43:20
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1996611
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

luckily masks don’t work

https://www.smh.com.au/business/workplace/the-shiny-kitchen-benchtops-killing-young-australians-20230215-p5ckpn.html“https://www.smh.com.au/business/workplace/the-shiny-kitchen-benchtops-killing-young-australians-20230215-p5ckpn.html

Reply Quote

Date: 20/02/2023 18:43:54
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1996612
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

luckily masks don’t work

https://www.smh.com.au/business/workplace/the-shiny-kitchen-benchtops-killing-young-australians-20230215-p5ckpn.html

neither did our link, we apologise for the fkup

Reply Quote

Date: 20/02/2023 18:46:31
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1996614
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

communist

Reply Quote

Date: 20/02/2023 18:51:57
From: transition
ID: 1996620
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-20/australian-dies-new-caledonia-shark-attack/101996660

https://www.abc.net.au/news/backstory/2023-02-19/leigh-sales-australian-story-news-anxiety-730-floor-manager/101973774

Let me give you an example: 3,747 Australians died of catastrophic falls in 2021, according to the Australian Bureau of Statistics (by contrast, COVID deaths were 1,122). I guarantee the possibility of a fatal fall is not front of mind for most people, even though it is one of the most common causes of death in Australia. But if every single day, the media started covering the 10 people who had died in falls, and we had their families crying on TV and calling for action, and we had “experts” going, “We have to do something about all the people dying from accidental falls,” I’m sure it would spark mass public anxiety. People would start thinking they were at significant personal risk of dying from a fall and suddenly we’d be seeing politicians announce non-slip floor mats are mandatory everywhere and there would be new regulations for shoe soles and so on.

The other thing that I think causes the public unnecessary anxiety is the over-emphasis of doomsday predictions on the opinion of one so-called “expert”. It’s the equivalent of crystal-ball gazing and we need to stop treating it as if it’s news. Those kinds of stories are endemic. “Housing prices set to fall 25 per cent” will scream the headline. Then you read on and the fortune-telling is based on one person’s opinion. The story will also neglect to mention that it’s a 25 per cent worst-case scenario prediction off the back of a year of crazy 30 per cent price rises.

if you’re wondering

https://www.abc.net.au/news/backstory/2023-02-19/leigh-sales-australian-story-news-anxiety-730-floor-manager/101973774

I read some that above^

delves a likely truth about skewed news, compression and repeat of bad things happening, distortion that way, but then falls victim to a distortion

that distortion re covid being the focus on deaths, instead of properly an injury profile(including deaths)

fact is the number of injuries is staggeringly large, and risk of, continued risk of

Reply Quote

Date: 20/02/2023 19:01:39
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1996626
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Next Level Genius

Reply Quote

Date: 20/02/2023 19:04:08
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1996630
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

Next Level Genius


yes yes we remember when suicide prevented murder

Reply Quote

Date: 20/02/2023 19:43:45
From: transition
ID: 1996634
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

Next Level Genius


yes yes we remember when suicide prevented murder


chuckle

bit like that, bullet holes in those planes that safely returned I guess

sees the good work of the covidmongers in that headline

Reply Quote

Date: 20/02/2023 19:47:03
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1996635
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

transition said:


SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

Next Level Genius


yes yes we remember when suicide prevented murder


chuckle

bit like that, bullet holes in those planes that safely returned I guess

sees the good work of the covidmongers in that headline


like making infectious diseases MORE infectious in the lab then wondering why the world gets shut down and millions of people die from the new improved disease. by the way – they are still making stuff more infectious. the worlds brilliant minds have been educated beyond their intelligence.

Reply Quote

Date: 20/02/2023 19:51:02
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1996639
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

my theory is that we’ve been hit with these lab leaks for at least 30 years but never realised – the lab leak didn’t kill enough people to raise the alarm

Reply Quote

Date: 20/02/2023 20:54:02
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1996649
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Reply Quote

Date: 20/02/2023 21:54:15
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1996657
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Luckily We Now Have Defenders Of Freedom So Restrictions Like These Will No Longer Be Possible ¡

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/washington-woman-tuberculosis-treatment-court-orders-rcna69090

Reply Quote

Date: 20/02/2023 22:24:50
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1996670
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023


Reply Quote

Date: 20/02/2023 22:38:33
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1996672
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

luckily masks don’t work

https://www.smh.com.au/business/workplace/the-shiny-kitchen-benchtops-killing-young-australians-20230215-p5ckpn.html

neither did our link, we apologise for the fkup

oh

¿epidemic?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-20/unions-call-for-engineered-stone-ban-over-silicosis-in-workers/102000226

who cares, they should just fucking use personal responsibility

Without a ban, an estimated 100,000 workers could contract silicosis in the next 50 years, the union said. “The science is clear-cut: engineered stone is killing workers,” incoming CMFEU boss Zach Smith said. “This is the asbestos of the 2020s.”

so you mean that’s 100000 workers still alive in 50 years, fuck we only managed to kill 20000 people in 1 year with SARACAIDS-CoV, hey at least that’s 100000 people who won’t be Living With Silicosis in the next 5 years

good shit

Reply Quote

Date: 21/02/2023 01:10:45
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1996691
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-20/brazil-sao-paulo-flooding-landslides-kills-36/102001262

Reply Quote

Date: 21/02/2023 12:10:02
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1996780
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

what the fuck for

¿

Following the two most recent drownings, Surf Life Saving NSW, along with the Member for Swansea Yasmin Catley have called for patrol services to be extended to more beaches across national parks.

we mean

Since 2008, more than 20 people have died along this 3km stretch between the Central Coast and Newcastle

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-21/solutions-for-deadly-nsw-coastline-frazer-beach-after-drownings/101976480

Reply Quote

Date: 21/02/2023 18:56:31
From: transition
ID: 1996943
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

https://theconversation.com/we-got-some-key-things-wrong-about-long-covid-here-are-5-things-weve-learnt-199974

the we apologizes, didn’t expect much pathology between obvious fairly immediate injury resulting in death and entirely escaping injury after infection

the territory between the preferable binary conceptualization

it snuck up on us

Reply Quote

Date: 21/02/2023 20:02:20
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 1996988
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Had my fifth jab yesterday afternoon. No reaction last night but this afternoon I started to fade and was pretty spaced out.
That’s often difficult for an external observer to spot the difference so I had to let Spocky know.
Pfizer bivalent type.

Reply Quote

Date: 21/02/2023 20:03:08
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1996989
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Oh right, I want to book my fourth jab. Thanks for the reminder.

Reply Quote

Date: 21/02/2023 20:03:58
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1996992
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Has anyone here not had the covids?

Reply Quote

Date: 21/02/2023 20:04:38
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1996994
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Divine Angel said:


Has anyone here not had the covids?

me.

Reply Quote

Date: 21/02/2023 20:05:46
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 1996997
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Divine Angel said:


Has anyone here not had the covids?

Both of us. We’re trying very hard to not catch it.

Reply Quote

Date: 21/02/2023 20:05:57
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1996998
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Divine Angel said:


Has anyone here not had the covids?

I’ve not had it. But then what virus in its right mind would want me as a host to produce their offspring?

Reply Quote

Date: 21/02/2023 20:06:20
From: OCDC
ID: 1996999
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Divine Angel said:


Has anyone here not had the covids?

raises hand

I don’t go in public without an N95.

Reply Quote

Date: 21/02/2023 20:06:35
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1997000
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

sarahs mum said:


Divine Angel said:

Has anyone here not had the covids?

me.

Me and Mrs. S have both managed to dodge it. (Makes Sign of the Cross, touches wood, kisses rabbit foot, clutches four-leaf-clover)

Reply Quote

Date: 21/02/2023 20:06:39
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1997001
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

sarahs mum said:


Divine Angel said:

Has anyone here not had the covids?

me.

me 2.

(and good to see you popping in :))

Reply Quote

Date: 21/02/2023 20:06:53
From: Brindabellas
ID: 1997002
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

sarahs mum said:


Divine Angel said:

Has anyone here not had the covids?

I made it up to 29 December 2022 – NYE was a downer

Reply Quote

Date: 21/02/2023 20:09:01
From: monkey skipper
ID: 1997004
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

sarahs mum said:


Divine Angel said:

Has anyone here not had the covids?

me.

me too

Reply Quote

Date: 21/02/2023 20:15:38
From: ms spock
ID: 1997009
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

transition said:


https://theconversation.com/we-got-some-key-things-wrong-about-long-covid-here-are-5-things-weve-learnt-199974

the we apologizes, didn’t expect much pathology between obvious fairly immediate injury resulting in death and entirely escaping injury after infection

the territory between the preferable binary conceptualization

it snuck up on us

murmurs sarcastically in the background

“No one could have seen it coming!”

Reply Quote

Date: 21/02/2023 20:19:02
From: transition
ID: 1997012
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

transition said:


https://theconversation.com/we-got-some-key-things-wrong-about-long-covid-here-are-5-things-weve-learnt-199974

the we apologizes, didn’t expect much pathology between obvious fairly immediate injury resulting in death and entirely escaping injury after infection

the territory between the preferable binary conceptualization

it snuck up on us

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_COVID

United States

On 23 February 2021, the National Institutes of Health director, Francis Collins, announced a major initiative, backed by $1.15 billion in funding over 4 years, to identify the causes and ultimately the means of prevention and treatment of people who have long COVID…..”

at risk of sounding like a smartarse, i’d suggest it’s caused by the covid virus, infection

Reply Quote

Date: 21/02/2023 20:33:21
From: buffy
ID: 1997018
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Spiny Norman said:


Had my fifth jab yesterday afternoon. No reaction last night but this afternoon I started to fade and was pretty spaced out.
That’s often difficult for an external observer to spot the difference so I had to let Spocky know.
Pfizer bivalent type.

One of our friends had that at 4.00pm today. We will check on him tomorrow. He was fine at archery at 6.00pm.

Reply Quote

Date: 21/02/2023 20:34:05
From: buffy
ID: 1997020
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Divine Angel said:


Has anyone here not had the covids?

Quite a few of us. Including Mr buffy and I. If we’ve had it, it was some sort of silent version.

Reply Quote

Date: 21/02/2023 20:43:18
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1997026
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

buffy said:


Divine Angel said:

Has anyone here not had the covids?

Quite a few of us. Including Mr buffy and I. If we’ve had it, it was some sort of silent version.

I had it last May. I was very tired and had a sore throat, but that was it. Oh, and despite not having any breathing issues during the infection, I had a lot of trouble breathing in humidity over 55% for three months afterwards. Was relying on Ventolin just to walk the 300m to Mini Me’s classroom.

Reply Quote

Date: 21/02/2023 21:06:40
From: ms spock
ID: 1997035
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Divine Angel said:


buffy said:

Divine Angel said:

Has anyone here not had the covids?

Quite a few of us. Including Mr buffy and I. If we’ve had it, it was some sort of silent version.

I had it last May. I was very tired and had a sore throat, but that was it. Oh, and despite not having any breathing issues during the infection, I had a lot of trouble breathing in humidity over 55% for three months afterwards. Was relying on Ventolin just to walk the 300m to Mini Me’s classroom.

Egads!

Reply Quote

Date: 21/02/2023 21:16:31
From: furious
ID: 1997038
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Divine Angel said:


buffy said:

Divine Angel said:

Has anyone here not had the covids?

Quite a few of us. Including Mr buffy and I. If we’ve had it, it was some sort of silent version.

I had it last May. I was very tired and had a sore throat, but that was it. Oh, and despite not having any breathing issues during the infection, I had a lot of trouble breathing in humidity over 55% for three months afterwards. Was relying on Ventolin just to walk the 300m to Mini Me’s classroom.

Covid roll call

Reply Quote

Date: 21/02/2023 21:46:25
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1997051
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/5th-person-confirmed-cured-hiv/story?id=97323361

Reply Quote

Date: 21/02/2023 21:46:34
From: kii
ID: 1997052
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Divine Angel said:


Has anyone here not had the covids?

No covid here, also kept mr kii safe from it.

Reply Quote

Date: 21/02/2023 21:47:29
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1997053
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

OCDC said:

Divine Angel said:

Has anyone here not had the covids?

raises hand

I don’t go in public

right

Reply Quote

Date: 21/02/2023 21:51:06
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1997055
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

transition said:

ms spock said:

transition said:

https://theconversation.com/we-got-some-key-things-wrong-about-long-covid-here-are-5-things-weve-learnt-199974

the we apologizes, didn’t expect much pathology between obvious fairly immediate injury resulting in death and entirely escaping injury after infection

the territory between the preferable binary conceptualization

it snuck up on us

murmurs sarcastically in the background

“No one could have seen it coming!”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_COVID

United States

On 23 February 2021, the National Institutes of Health director, Francis Collins, announced a major initiative, backed by $1.15 billion in funding over 4 years, to identify the causes and ultimately the means of prevention and treatment of people who have long COVID…..”

at risk of sounding like a smartarse, i’d suggest it’s caused by the covid virus, infection

well hey fuck this but we’re sure it wasn’t lost on you that in that https://theconversation.com/we-got-some-key-things-wrong-about-long-covid-here-are-5-things-weve-learnt-199974 there article the word “prevention” and the word “mask” didn’t appear at all

Reply Quote

Date: 21/02/2023 21:51:26
From: party_pants
ID: 1997056
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

kii said:


Divine Angel said:

Has anyone here not had the covids?

No covid here, also kept mr kii safe from it.

I don’t think I’ve had it but not sure.

At the same time some people at work were getting it I came down with symptoms of a heavy cold. I did 5 RATS in about 4 days, of different types, and they all came back negative. I did not go for a PCR test at the time. After 4-5 days (2 of them being a weekend) I felt better and went back to work. Only after getting back to work did I learn that others were also off sick, with the COVID, and had tested positive with RATs.

Reply Quote

Date: 21/02/2023 22:07:08
From: Kingy
ID: 1997064
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Divine Angel said:


Has anyone here not had the covids?

Not that I know of, neither has Ms Kingy.

We both had a cold that lasted a month, but returned dozens of negative rats, and one negative pcr.

Reply Quote

Date: 21/02/2023 22:12:24
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1997065
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Kingy said:


Divine Angel said:

Has anyone here not had the covids?

Not that I know of, neither has Ms Kingy.

We both had a cold that lasted a month, but returned dozens of negative rats, and one negative pcr.

I haven’t had a cold or flu for 8 years. Isolation does that to you. It’s a benefit.

Reply Quote

Date: 21/02/2023 22:54:10
From: Neophyte
ID: 1997080
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Divine Angel said:


Has anyone here not had the covids?

Neddles and I have managed to dodge it so far.

Reply Quote

Date: 21/02/2023 22:57:14
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1997081
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Divine Angel said:


Has anyone here not had the covids?

I haven’t had it, well not that I know of.

Reply Quote

Date: 22/02/2023 00:08:20
From: Ian
ID: 1997127
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Divine Angel said:


Has anyone here not had the covids?

I haven’t had it.

I’ve been down on the Central Coast again to take a turn at nursing my hundred-year-old father and been out of the loop somewhat.

Prior to that trip the missus had gone away to Perth and managed to catch COVID in the process. Looking at the speed with which she came down with the bug after arriving in Perth it the seems that she must have been infected over here and been the most contagious  before she left, in which case I would have been thoroughly exposed.

She had a couple of days with a rasping cough and a long time suffering from lethargy… a fairly easy time of it. However after her 14-day stay in Perth she was still testing positive with a RAT…. an unusually long run of positive RATs and ended up testing negative while I was away some 24 days after the first positive test.

Both my seeming immunity and her very long series of RAT positives  go to highlight some of the variability around this thing.

Reply Quote

Date: 22/02/2023 02:37:33
From: transition
ID: 1997141
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2023-02-21/long-covid-condition-what-next-for-australia-chronic/101937170

potentially a terrible embarrassment for the covidmongers, I wonder who suffers instead

of course the injury profile that emerged a long time back, including the prevalence, would be substantive reason to not let it go wild, to swap air enthusiastically toward herd immunity cough

insane, arguably not health, not medicine, something else

Reply Quote

Date: 22/02/2023 07:44:28
From: ms spock
ID: 1997162
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(23)00053-1/fulltext

Reply Quote

Date: 22/02/2023 08:28:29
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1997171
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

transition said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2023-02-21/long-covid-condition-what-next-for-australia-chronic/101937170

potentially a terrible embarrassment for the covidmongers, I wonder who suffers instead

of course the injury profile that emerged a long time back, including the prevalence, would be substantive reason to not let it go wild, to swap air enthusiastically toward herd immunity cough

insane, arguably not health, not medicine, something else

The Stupid* Must Grow, Duh

*: it’s The Economy**

**: Must Grow ¡

Reply Quote

Date: 22/02/2023 10:40:23
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1997198
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

moderation

freedom
https://indaily.com.au/news/2023/02/20/unvaxxed-five-times-more-likely-to-die-of-covid-sa-research/

The Economy Must Grow

Why prevent illness when you could do like Kurt Blome and the Unit 731¿

sorry we mean

Who Isn’t For Epidemic Prevention and Water Purification ¿

Reply Quote

Date: 22/02/2023 10:40:57
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1997200
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

new disinformation group

https://importantcontext.substack.com/p/new-scientist-group-calling-for-pandemic

Reply Quote

Date: 22/02/2023 10:57:57
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1997204
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Endemic Is Good

We Mean Excellent

Reply Quote

Date: 22/02/2023 10:59:09
From: Cymek
ID: 1997205
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Good moaning

Reply Quote

Date: 22/02/2023 11:01:10
From: ms spock
ID: 1997207
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Cymek said:


Good moaning

And a good keening to you as well!

Reply Quote

Date: 22/02/2023 11:11:12
From: Tamb
ID: 1997209
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Cymek said:


Good moaning

‘ello, ‘ello.

Reply Quote

Date: 22/02/2023 11:12:54
From: Ian
ID: 1997212
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Endemic Is Good

—-

No. Better than pandemic, worse than disappeared.

Reply Quote

Date: 22/02/2023 11:16:23
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1997216
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Ian said:

Endemic Is Good

—-

No. Better than pandemic, worse than disappeared.

nah proper ethics means like smallpox we should try to preserve harmful pathogens or at least have long debates to ensure they have a chance to establish widely, meanwhile it’s good to environmentally terrorise commensal species to extinction for The Economy Must Grow and convenience

Reply Quote

Date: 22/02/2023 11:19:33
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1997218
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

exactly, keep masking like an ASIAN and you’ll never be a leader

Reply Quote

Date: 22/02/2023 11:20:31
From: Ian
ID: 1997220
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

Ian said:

Endemic Is Good

—-

No. Better than pandemic, worse than disappeared.

nah proper ethics means like smallpox we should try to preserve harmful pathogens or at least have long debates to ensure they have a chance to establish widely, meanwhile it’s good to environmentally terrorise commensal species to extinction for The Economy Must Grow and convenience

Sometimes I don’t know if you’re joking or not

Reply Quote

Date: 22/02/2023 11:25:58
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1997223
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

oh oops

Reply Quote

Date: 22/02/2023 11:28:27
From: roughbarked
ID: 1997224
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

oh oops


Wow.

Reply Quote

Date: 22/02/2023 11:35:07
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1997225
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Ian said:

SCIENCE said:

Ian said:

SCIENCE said:

Endemic Is Good

We Mean Excellent

—-

No. Better than pandemic, worse than disappeared.

nah proper ethics means like smallpox we should try to preserve harmful pathogens or at least have long debates to ensure they have a chance to establish widely, meanwhile it’s good to environmentally terrorise commensal species to extinction for The Economy Must Grow and convenience

Sometimes I don’t know if you’re joking or not

⚠ currently serious so we can recalibrate

So in the image we pasted, they point out that there is now a baseline of 1 million infections, which would quite reasonably qualify as “endemic” (with epidemic spikes on top). As posted in some other UK thread there are apparently food shortages broadly across multiple shops, so we suppose that’s the way things are going in the UK. Hence we paraphrase the disinformation agents who for 3 years have been pushing for endemic SARACAIDS-CoV, trying to tell people that having a constant level of disabling infectious disease in the population is somehow beneficial. In our serious opinion, they are wrong.

We follow up with a simple observation that

. But yes best to assume we’re always being sarcynironastical unless otherwise ⚠ specified, sadly.

⚠ we return you to your usual viewing now

Reply Quote

Date: 22/02/2023 11:36:04
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1997226
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

oh oops


Wow.

shrug well as you know it’s “just a cold” but more like “just 10 colds before you die from it” so all good

Reply Quote

Date: 22/02/2023 11:40:07
From: Cymek
ID: 1997227
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

Ian said:

SCIENCE said:

nah proper ethics means like smallpox we should try to preserve harmful pathogens or at least have long debates to ensure they have a chance to establish widely, meanwhile it’s good to environmentally terrorise commensal species to extinction for The Economy Must Grow and convenience

Sometimes I don’t know if you’re joking or not

⚠ currently serious so we can recalibrate

So in the image we pasted, they point out that there is now a baseline of 1 million infections, which would quite reasonably qualify as “endemic” (with epidemic spikes on top). As posted in some other UK thread there are apparently food shortages broadly across multiple shops, so we suppose that’s the way things are going in the UK. Hence we paraphrase the disinformation agents who for 3 years have been pushing for endemic SARACAIDS-CoV, trying to tell people that having a constant level of disabling infectious disease in the population is somehow beneficial. In our serious opinion, they are wrong.

We follow up with a simple observation that

  • there was debate whether it was in some way “ethical” to destroy the last (known) samples of variolavirus, because humans are not gods and what right do we have to determine whether a species survives or becomes extinct
  • while at the same time our worship of the god of Economy Must Grow and the industrial (and other current) practices mean that plenty of other species are going extinct, which we could actually do something to prevent or at least delay, but won’t because there’s no such debate when it actually matters

. But yes best to assume we’re always being sarcynironastical unless otherwise ⚠ specified, sadly.

⚠ we return you to your usual viewing now

Pretty much all decisions come down to the economy must grow, nearly everything/everyone is less of a priority

Reply Quote

Date: 22/02/2023 11:42:32
From: Cymek
ID: 1997228
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

oh oops


Wow.

shrug well as you know it’s “just a cold” but more like “just 10 colds before you die from it” so all good

Our works Covid specific leave expires soon, so if I get it again I need to get it before then or else I use up my normal personal leave

Reply Quote

Date: 22/02/2023 11:45:50
From: ms spock
ID: 1997230
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Call for services for those with intellectual challenges

Reply Quote

Date: 22/02/2023 11:49:12
From: roughbarked
ID: 1997235
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

oh oops


Wow.

shrug well as you know it’s “just a cold” but more like “just 10 colds before you die from it” so all good

I s’pose. ;)

Reply Quote

Date: 22/02/2023 11:49:42
From: roughbarked
ID: 1997236
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Cymek said:


SCIENCE said:

Ian said:

Sometimes I don’t know if you’re joking or not

⚠ currently serious so we can recalibrate

So in the image we pasted, they point out that there is now a baseline of 1 million infections, which would quite reasonably qualify as “endemic” (with epidemic spikes on top). As posted in some other UK thread there are apparently food shortages broadly across multiple shops, so we suppose that’s the way things are going in the UK. Hence we paraphrase the disinformation agents who for 3 years have been pushing for endemic SARACAIDS-CoV, trying to tell people that having a constant level of disabling infectious disease in the population is somehow beneficial. In our serious opinion, they are wrong.

We follow up with a simple observation that

  • there was debate whether it was in some way “ethical” to destroy the last (known) samples of variolavirus, because humans are not gods and what right do we have to determine whether a species survives or becomes extinct
  • while at the same time our worship of the god of Economy Must Grow and the industrial (and other current) practices mean that plenty of other species are going extinct, which we could actually do something to prevent or at least delay, but won’t because there’s no such debate when it actually matters

. But yes best to assume we’re always being sarcynironastical unless otherwise ⚠ specified, sadly.

⚠ we return you to your usual viewing now

Pretty much all decisions come down to the economy must grow, nearly everything/everyone is less of a priority

Which is so wrong in all ways possible.

Reply Quote

Date: 22/02/2023 11:52:05
From: Arts
ID: 1997241
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

son tested positive yesterday and is now sick, so that’s the whole family .. I am still testing negative… and with no symptoms

Reply Quote

Date: 22/02/2023 11:53:20
From: roughbarked
ID: 1997244
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Arts said:


son tested positive yesterday and is now sick, so that’s the whole family .. I am still testing negative… and with no symptoms

Your immune system is made of sturdy stuff.

Reply Quote

Date: 22/02/2023 11:53:39
From: Cymek
ID: 1997245
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

roughbarked said:


Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

⚠ currently serious so we can recalibrate

So in the image we pasted, they point out that there is now a baseline of 1 million infections, which would quite reasonably qualify as “endemic” (with epidemic spikes on top). As posted in some other UK thread there are apparently food shortages broadly across multiple shops, so we suppose that’s the way things are going in the UK. Hence we paraphrase the disinformation agents who for 3 years have been pushing for endemic SARACAIDS-CoV, trying to tell people that having a constant level of disabling infectious disease in the population is somehow beneficial. In our serious opinion, they are wrong.

We follow up with a simple observation that

  • there was debate whether it was in some way “ethical” to destroy the last (known) samples of variolavirus, because humans are not gods and what right do we have to determine whether a species survives or becomes extinct
  • while at the same time our worship of the god of Economy Must Grow and the industrial (and other current) practices mean that plenty of other species are going extinct, which we could actually do something to prevent or at least delay, but won’t because there’s no such debate when it actually matters

. But yes best to assume we’re always being sarcynironastical unless otherwise ⚠ specified, sadly.

⚠ we return you to your usual viewing now

Pretty much all decisions come down to the economy must grow, nearly everything/everyone is less of a priority

Which is so wrong in all ways possible.

Absolutely

Reply Quote

Date: 22/02/2023 11:54:41
From: Cymek
ID: 1997247
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Arts said:


son tested positive yesterday and is now sick, so that’s the whole family .. I am still testing negative… and with no symptoms

Your allowed out aren’t you, just masked

Reply Quote

Date: 22/02/2023 11:56:55
From: Arts
ID: 1997251
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Cymek said:


Arts said:

son tested positive yesterday and is now sick, so that’s the whole family .. I am still testing negative… and with no symptoms

Your allowed out aren’t you, just masked

yes.. I don’t think there are any rules anymore… you get to stay home if you are symptomatic, but otherwise it’s only morals and integrity keeping people in place.

Reply Quote

Date: 22/02/2023 11:58:47
From: Cymek
ID: 1997252
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Arts said:


Cymek said:

Arts said:

son tested positive yesterday and is now sick, so that’s the whole family .. I am still testing negative… and with no symptoms

Your allowed out aren’t you, just masked

yes.. I don’t think there are any rules anymore… you get to stay home if you are symptomatic, but otherwise it’s only morals and integrity keeping people in place.

I’d stay home myself personally even if non symptomatic as I still have leave for it and I can do things at home instead of waiting for the weekend

Reply Quote

Date: 22/02/2023 12:01:57
From: Arts
ID: 1997255
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Cymek said:


Arts said:

Cymek said:

Your allowed out aren’t you, just masked

yes.. I don’t think there are any rules anymore… you get to stay home if you are symptomatic, but otherwise it’s only morals and integrity keeping people in place.

I’d stay home myself personally even if non symptomatic as I still have leave for it and I can do things at home instead of waiting for the weekend

I have to be at work today.. but I am masked… and staying in my office for all the time I can.. a few online meetings

Reply Quote

Date: 22/02/2023 12:03:59
From: ms spock
ID: 1997256
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

roughbarked said:


Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

⚠ currently serious so we can recalibrate

So in the image we pasted, they point out that there is now a baseline of 1 million infections, which would quite reasonably qualify as “endemic” (with epidemic spikes on top). As posted in some other UK thread there are apparently food shortages broadly across multiple shops, so we suppose that’s the way things are going in the UK. Hence we paraphrase the disinformation agents who for 3 years have been pushing for endemic SARACAIDS-CoV, trying to tell people that having a constant level of disabling infectious disease in the population is somehow beneficial. In our serious opinion, they are wrong.

We follow up with a simple observation that

  • there was debate whether it was in some way “ethical” to destroy the last (known) samples of variolavirus, because humans are not gods and what right do we have to determine whether a species survives or becomes extinct
  • while at the same time our worship of the god of Economy Must Grow and the industrial (and other current) practices mean that plenty of other species are going extinct, which we could actually do something to prevent or at least delay, but won’t because there’s no such debate when it actually matters

. But yes best to assume we’re always being sarcynironastical unless otherwise ⚠ specified, sadly.

⚠ we return you to your usual viewing now

Pretty much all decisions come down to the economy must grow, nearly everything/everyone is less of a priority

Which is so wrong in all ways possible.

I think incompetency is part of it. Magical thinking as well I can pay for the extra filtration/ventilation (the private schools in our did big upgrades over the Xmas holidays) and a lot psychaitrists took the $1200 antivirals with them when they went to an international conferences.

The economists can do Maths. They understand exponential growth.

Link

Reply Quote

Date: 22/02/2023 12:06:59
From: transition
ID: 1997259
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

oh oops


probably a leading cause of injury these days

crosseyes

Reply Quote

Date: 22/02/2023 12:10:27
From: ms spock
ID: 1997263
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Arts said:


son tested positive yesterday and is now sick, so that’s the whole family .. I am still testing negative… and with no symptoms

:(

Reply Quote

Date: 22/02/2023 12:26:21
From: transition
ID: 1997272
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

transition said:


SCIENCE said:

oh oops


probably a leading cause of injury these days

crosseyes

I sees the propaganda machine has been in full swing for a longtime now, shifting the way people conceive covid, the research and study subjects will lend nicely to the program of distracting from the totality of injuries caused by covid, you possibly may find it increasingly difficult to conceive of covid causing injuries, instead it will be an anomalous individual (pathological) response to infection, you could say an allergy in a minority of the population

can’t be easy normalizing an injurious pathogen, it’s a special work

the ideological apparatus helps you

Reply Quote

Date: 22/02/2023 12:31:03
From: Cymek
ID: 1997275
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

transition said:


transition said:

SCIENCE said:

oh oops


probably a leading cause of injury these days

crosseyes

I sees the propaganda machine has been in full swing for a longtime now, shifting the way people conceive covid, the research and study subjects will lend nicely to the program of distracting from the totality of injuries caused by covid, you possibly may find it increasingly difficult to conceive of covid causing injuries, instead it will be an anomalous individual (pathological) response to infection, you could say an allergy in a minority of the population

can’t be easy normalizing an injurious pathogen, it’s a special work

the ideological apparatus helps you

They normalise interest rates rises that stress millions of people to protect the economy and give banks record profits.
The decision makers sit pretty so don’t care.
Covid is just another obstacle in the path to maintaining the status quo

Reply Quote

Date: 22/02/2023 12:46:42
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1997280
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Cymek said:


transition said:

transition said:

probably a leading cause of injury these days

crosseyes

I sees the propaganda machine has been in full swing for a longtime now, shifting the way people conceive covid, the research and study subjects will lend nicely to the program of distracting from the totality of injuries caused by covid, you possibly may find it increasingly difficult to conceive of covid causing injuries, instead it will be an anomalous individual (pathological) response to infection, you could say an allergy in a minority of the population

can’t be easy normalizing an injurious pathogen, it’s a special work

the ideological apparatus helps you

They normalise interest rates rises that stress millions of people to protect the economy and give banks record profits.
The decision makers sit pretty so don’t care.
Covid is just another obstacle in the path to maintaining the status quo

Rising interest rates are necessary to slow the economy and tame inflation. The supply side issues and government spending of this pandemic economy certainly caused the RBA and other central banks to drop the ball but it was an almost unprecedented situation. Anyway it’s not some conspiracy.

Reply Quote

Date: 22/02/2023 12:51:57
From: Cymek
ID: 1997282
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Witty Rejoinder said:


Cymek said:

transition said:

I sees the propaganda machine has been in full swing for a longtime now, shifting the way people conceive covid, the research and study subjects will lend nicely to the program of distracting from the totality of injuries caused by covid, you possibly may find it increasingly difficult to conceive of covid causing injuries, instead it will be an anomalous individual (pathological) response to infection, you could say an allergy in a minority of the population

can’t be easy normalizing an injurious pathogen, it’s a special work

the ideological apparatus helps you

They normalise interest rates rises that stress millions of people to protect the economy and give banks record profits.
The decision makers sit pretty so don’t care.
Covid is just another obstacle in the path to maintaining the status quo

Rising interest rates are necessary to slow the economy and tame inflation. The supply side issues and government spending of this pandemic economy certainly caused the RBA and other central banks to drop the ball but it was an almost unprecedented situation. Anyway it’s not some conspiracy.

It makes the rich richer and the poor poorer though and gives the banks more profit.
It’s accepted as necessary and I don’t think it is, it’s just another means of controlling the population.
It’s not a conspiracy as in some hidden agenda but an out in your face method to show everyone whose in charge, the banks.

Reply Quote

Date: 22/02/2023 12:56:04
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1997286
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Cymek said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Cymek said:

They normalise interest rates rises that stress millions of people to protect the economy and give banks record profits.
The decision makers sit pretty so don’t care.
Covid is just another obstacle in the path to maintaining the status quo

Rising interest rates are necessary to slow the economy and tame inflation. The supply side issues and government spending of this pandemic economy certainly caused the RBA and other central banks to drop the ball but it was an almost unprecedented situation. Anyway it’s not some conspiracy.

It makes the rich richer and the poor poorer though and gives the banks more profit.
It’s accepted as necessary and I don’t think it is, it’s just another means of controlling the population.
It’s not a conspiracy as in some hidden agenda but an out in your face method to show everyone whose in charge, the banks.

How else would you decrease inflation? Price controls, limiting wage rises? It’s not true that inflation benefits the rich either. Mortgages go up on million dollar mansions too. Plus the banks are mostly owned by Joe Public in their super.

Reply Quote

Date: 22/02/2023 13:14:15
From: buffy
ID: 1997291
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Cymek said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Cymek said:

They normalise interest rates rises that stress millions of people to protect the economy and give banks record profits.
The decision makers sit pretty so don’t care.
Covid is just another obstacle in the path to maintaining the status quo

Rising interest rates are necessary to slow the economy and tame inflation. The supply side issues and government spending of this pandemic economy certainly caused the RBA and other central banks to drop the ball but it was an almost unprecedented situation. Anyway it’s not some conspiracy.

It makes the rich richer and the poor poorer though and gives the banks more profit.
It’s accepted as necessary and I don’t think it is, it’s just another means of controlling the population.
It’s not a conspiracy as in some hidden agenda but an out in your face method to show everyone whose in charge, the banks.

I’m quite fond of the way our banks in Australia are safer than in many, many other places.

Reply Quote

Date: 22/02/2023 14:05:14
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1997307
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

to be fair, when all the banque réservé has is a hammer, you can’t expect them to nail it every time

wait

Reply Quote

Date: 23/02/2023 01:02:29
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1997529
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Reply Quote

Date: 23/02/2023 01:14:33
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1997531
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

oh look a bunch of pricks who are wasting money trying to protect themselves

https://www.theage.com.au/national/how-scientists-are-protecting-themselves-from-covid-19-20230221-p5cm51.html

and

oh look a bunch of altruistic souls who have only our best interests at heart



https://tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/posts/1983440/

Reply Quote

Date: 23/02/2023 01:59:09
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1997535
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

stand by

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20230221/Researchers-report-the-circulation-of-a-novel-MERS-like-coronavirus-in-Malayan-pangolins.aspx

In a recent study published in Cell, researchers reported the circulation of a novel Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS)-like coronavirus (CoV) among Malayan pangolins, Manis javanica HKU4-associated CoV (MjHKU4r-CoV).

damn that almost sounds like a YouTube clip, pity it doesn’t exist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjHKU4r-CoV

Reply Quote

Date: 23/02/2023 02:20:24
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1997536
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

nice picture, guess if people have to wear their masks then it would be a bit harder to “accidentally” drop them into the environment

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/21/opinion/do-mask-mandates-work.html

oh what was that they’re still platforming this disinformation agent, what genius

Reply Quote

Date: 23/02/2023 13:03:17
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1997641
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

The Bats Would Have Saved Them

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-23/china-inner-mongolia-coal-mine-collapse/102011866

Reply Quote

Date: 24/02/2023 09:50:28
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1998003
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

remember when the massive lobbystrong renewable energy industry forced us to all dry our clothes outside in the sun

Reply Quote

Date: 24/02/2023 10:17:32
From: transition
ID: 1998011
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

remember when the massive lobbystrong renewable energy industry forced us to all dry our clothes outside in the sun


quite difficult to get much fresh air on the subject of covid, the view is that doing much at all about covid beyond vaccination would be creeping, medicalized prophylaxis would tend to expand, be expansionist

so whatever, swap some polluted air

and goodly part of modern life is in enclosures(inside buildings), and transport capsuled, vehicles, planes, etc

so ya know shared notions are not entirely unlike recycled farts, take it in long enough and fresh air smells funny, if you can manage to find any fresh air

Reply Quote

Date: 24/02/2023 10:26:11
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1998018
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

remember when the massive lobbystrong renewable energy industry forced us to all dry our clothes outside in the sun


Just looked up Dr Nick Coatsworth. He doesn’t sound like a nutter, which just goes to show that you never can tell, I suppose:

Dr Nick Coatsworth was one of Australia’s Deputy Chief Medical Officers. He is also the Executive Director of the Medical Services Group at Canberra Health Services. Nick held a key national role in the Australian response to COVID-19. Bringing together his skills as an infectious disease physician, a respiratory physician, a practitioner of disaster and humanitarian medicine, and high level experience in health administration, Nick’s contribution provided a voice for frontline hospital staff in the national response to the pandemic. He became one of the most recognised medical spokespeople during the pandemic, engaging the Australian community through a variety of media platforms.

Nick has had a long history of leadership in medicine. He was Executive Director of the National Critical Care and Trauma Response Centre in Darwin, and oversaw deployments of Australian Medical Assistance Teams to Vanuatu and Fiji after Cyclone Pam and Winston. Nick led the second AusMAT to the Philippines after Typhoon Haiyan.

During his early career years Nick was a field doctor for Medecins Sans Frontieres and practised in the Republic of Congo, Chad and Darfur. Later, he became President of the Australian Section of MSF and served on the Board for two terms. He continues to serve on the Board of Careflight Limited.

Nick graduated from the University of Western Australia with Honours in 2001. He has a Masters degree in International Public Health from the University of Sydney. Currently, Nick is part way through his Doctoral thesis understanding the Australian foreign policy response to global health events, focussing on the COVID-19 pandemic.

Reply Quote

Date: 24/02/2023 10:31:48
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1998020
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

The Rev Dodgson said:


SCIENCE said:

remember when the massive lobbystrong renewable energy industry forced us to all dry our clothes outside in the sun


Just looked up Dr Nick Coatsworth. He doesn’t sound like a nutter, which just goes to show that you never can tell, I suppose:

Dr Nick Coatsworth was one of Australia’s Deputy Chief Medical Officers. He is also the Executive Director of the Medical Services Group at Canberra Health Services. Nick held a key national role in the Australian response to COVID-19. Bringing together his skills as an infectious disease physician, a respiratory physician, a practitioner of disaster and humanitarian medicine, and high level experience in health administration, Nick’s contribution provided a voice for frontline hospital staff in the national response to the pandemic. He became one of the most recognised medical spokespeople during the pandemic, engaging the Australian community through a variety of media platforms.

Nick has had a long history of leadership in medicine. He was Executive Director of the National Critical Care and Trauma Response Centre in Darwin, and oversaw deployments of Australian Medical Assistance Teams to Vanuatu and Fiji after Cyclone Pam and Winston. Nick led the second AusMAT to the Philippines after Typhoon Haiyan.

During his early career years Nick was a field doctor for Medecins Sans Frontieres and practised in the Republic of Congo, Chad and Darfur. Later, he became President of the Australian Section of MSF and served on the Board for two terms. He continues to serve on the Board of Careflight Limited.

Nick graduated from the University of Western Australia with Honours in 2001. He has a Masters degree in International Public Health from the University of Sydney. Currently, Nick is part way through his Doctoral thesis understanding the Australian foreign policy response to global health events, focussing on the COVID-19 pandemic.

Yes well as you know we’ve been joking around here all pandemic but in complète honesty right now we can say, this above is extremely concerning to us, as you read he got quite high up in pandemic management and health system control.

You hope that your health systems are run by decent experts with good intellectual integrity.

Sadly it seems otherwise.

Reply Quote

Date: 24/02/2023 10:46:19
From: buffy
ID: 1998025
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

The Rev Dodgson said:


SCIENCE said:

remember when the massive lobbystrong renewable energy industry forced us to all dry our clothes outside in the sun


Just looked up Dr Nick Coatsworth. He doesn’t sound like a nutter, which just goes to show that you never can tell, I suppose:

Dr Nick Coatsworth was one of Australia’s Deputy Chief Medical Officers. He is also the Executive Director of the Medical Services Group at Canberra Health Services. Nick held a key national role in the Australian response to COVID-19. Bringing together his skills as an infectious disease physician, a respiratory physician, a practitioner of disaster and humanitarian medicine, and high level experience in health administration, Nick’s contribution provided a voice for frontline hospital staff in the national response to the pandemic. He became one of the most recognised medical spokespeople during the pandemic, engaging the Australian community through a variety of media platforms.

Nick has had a long history of leadership in medicine. He was Executive Director of the National Critical Care and Trauma Response Centre in Darwin, and oversaw deployments of Australian Medical Assistance Teams to Vanuatu and Fiji after Cyclone Pam and Winston. Nick led the second AusMAT to the Philippines after Typhoon Haiyan.

During his early career years Nick was a field doctor for Medecins Sans Frontieres and practised in the Republic of Congo, Chad and Darfur. Later, he became President of the Australian Section of MSF and served on the Board for two terms. He continues to serve on the Board of Careflight Limited.

Nick graduated from the University of Western Australia with Honours in 2001. He has a Masters degree in International Public Health from the University of Sydney. Currently, Nick is part way through his Doctoral thesis understanding the Australian foreign policy response to global health events, focussing on the COVID-19 pandemic.

Sometimes those who have seen the Really Bad (Republic of Congo, Chad, Dafur) have a different perspective about what is Really Bad from those living comfortably in the first world.

Reply Quote

Date: 24/02/2023 10:59:48
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1998030
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

^

what we’re saying is, Australia are a bunch of privileged fucks and we should welcome degradation of our healthcare system until it’s worthy of a shithole cuntry

Reply Quote

Date: 24/02/2023 11:07:14
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1998034
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

buffy said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

remember when the massive lobbystrong renewable energy industry forced us to all dry our clothes outside in the sun


Just looked up Dr Nick Coatsworth. He doesn’t sound like a nutter, which just goes to show that you never can tell, I suppose:

Dr Nick Coatsworth was one of Australia’s Deputy Chief Medical Officers. He is also the Executive Director of the Medical Services Group at Canberra Health Services. Nick held a key national role in the Australian response to COVID-19. Bringing together his skills as an infectious disease physician, a respiratory physician, a practitioner of disaster and humanitarian medicine, and high level experience in health administration, Nick’s contribution provided a voice for frontline hospital staff in the national response to the pandemic. He became one of the most recognised medical spokespeople during the pandemic, engaging the Australian community through a variety of media platforms.

Nick has had a long history of leadership in medicine. He was Executive Director of the National Critical Care and Trauma Response Centre in Darwin, and oversaw deployments of Australian Medical Assistance Teams to Vanuatu and Fiji after Cyclone Pam and Winston. Nick led the second AusMAT to the Philippines after Typhoon Haiyan.

During his early career years Nick was a field doctor for Medecins Sans Frontieres and practised in the Republic of Congo, Chad and Darfur. Later, he became President of the Australian Section of MSF and served on the Board for two terms. He continues to serve on the Board of Careflight Limited.

Nick graduated from the University of Western Australia with Honours in 2001. He has a Masters degree in International Public Health from the University of Sydney. Currently, Nick is part way through his Doctoral thesis understanding the Australian foreign policy response to global health events, focussing on the COVID-19 pandemic.

Sometimes those who have seen the Really Bad (Republic of Congo, Chad, Dafur) have a different perspective about what is Really Bad from those living comfortably in the first world.

Unfortunately it seems he’s a controversialist given to confusing and misleading soundbites.

He’s supposed to be an expert but doesn’t understand the value of shutting up now and then.

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/8079669/power-and-influence-what-will-it-take-to-convince-people-to-get-boosters/

Reply Quote

Date: 24/02/2023 11:11:01
From: buffy
ID: 1998036
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Bubblecar said:


buffy said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Just looked up Dr Nick Coatsworth. He doesn’t sound like a nutter, which just goes to show that you never can tell, I suppose:

Dr Nick Coatsworth was one of Australia’s Deputy Chief Medical Officers. He is also the Executive Director of the Medical Services Group at Canberra Health Services. Nick held a key national role in the Australian response to COVID-19. Bringing together his skills as an infectious disease physician, a respiratory physician, a practitioner of disaster and humanitarian medicine, and high level experience in health administration, Nick’s contribution provided a voice for frontline hospital staff in the national response to the pandemic. He became one of the most recognised medical spokespeople during the pandemic, engaging the Australian community through a variety of media platforms.

Nick has had a long history of leadership in medicine. He was Executive Director of the National Critical Care and Trauma Response Centre in Darwin, and oversaw deployments of Australian Medical Assistance Teams to Vanuatu and Fiji after Cyclone Pam and Winston. Nick led the second AusMAT to the Philippines after Typhoon Haiyan.

During his early career years Nick was a field doctor for Medecins Sans Frontieres and practised in the Republic of Congo, Chad and Darfur. Later, he became President of the Australian Section of MSF and served on the Board for two terms. He continues to serve on the Board of Careflight Limited.

Nick graduated from the University of Western Australia with Honours in 2001. He has a Masters degree in International Public Health from the University of Sydney. Currently, Nick is part way through his Doctoral thesis understanding the Australian foreign policy response to global health events, focussing on the COVID-19 pandemic.

Sometimes those who have seen the Really Bad (Republic of Congo, Chad, Dafur) have a different perspective about what is Really Bad from those living comfortably in the first world.

Unfortunately it seems he’s a controversialist given to confusing and misleading soundbites.

He’s supposed to be an expert but doesn’t understand the value of shutting up now and then.

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/8079669/power-and-influence-what-will-it-take-to-convince-people-to-get-boosters/

I don’t think there is any doubt that he is an expert with those qualifications and experience.

Reply Quote

Date: 24/02/2023 11:12:45
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1998037
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

buffy said:


Bubblecar said:

buffy said:

Sometimes those who have seen the Really Bad (Republic of Congo, Chad, Dafur) have a different perspective about what is Really Bad from those living comfortably in the first world.

Unfortunately it seems he’s a controversialist given to confusing and misleading soundbites.

He’s supposed to be an expert but doesn’t understand the value of shutting up now and then.

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/8079669/power-and-influence-what-will-it-take-to-convince-people-to-get-boosters/

I don’t think there is any doubt that he is an expert with those qualifications and experience.

Except that he’s contradicting other experts and is a bit of a darling of the “Covid sceptics”.

Reply Quote

Date: 24/02/2023 11:13:50
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1998038
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Bubblecar said:


buffy said:

Bubblecar said:

Unfortunately it seems he’s a controversialist given to confusing and misleading soundbites.

He’s supposed to be an expert but doesn’t understand the value of shutting up now and then.

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/8079669/power-and-influence-what-will-it-take-to-convince-people-to-get-boosters/

I don’t think there is any doubt that he is an expert with those qualifications and experience.

Except that he’s contradicting other experts and is a bit of a darling of the “Covid sceptics”.

…he also seems to love attention.

Reply Quote

Date: 24/02/2023 11:16:35
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1998039
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Bubblecar said:


Bubblecar said:

buffy said:

I don’t think there is any doubt that he is an expert with those qualifications and experience.

Except that he’s contradicting other experts and is a bit of a darling of the “Covid sceptics”.

…he also seems to love attention.

hey look once you have credentials and platform it doesn’t matter if you do anything good or true or useful right

Reply Quote

Date: 24/02/2023 11:17:14
From: Cymek
ID: 1998041
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Hello

Reply Quote

Date: 24/02/2023 11:17:38
From: roughbarked
ID: 1998042
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Cymek said:


Hello

Top o’ the mornin’ to ye.

Reply Quote

Date: 24/02/2023 11:21:03
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1998043
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

roughbarked said:

Cymek said:

Hello

Top o’ the mornin’ to ye.

how’s the credential worship today

Reply Quote

Date: 24/02/2023 11:22:11
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1998044
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

remember when the massive lobbystrong renewable energy industry forced us to all dry our clothes outside in the sun


How did he get his Dr. certificate ?

Reply Quote

Date: 24/02/2023 11:24:48
From: roughbarked
ID: 1998045
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Tau.Neutrino said:


SCIENCE said:

remember when the massive lobbystrong renewable energy industry forced us to all dry our clothes outside in the sun


How did he get his Dr. certificate ?

https://tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/posts/1998018/

Reply Quote

Date: 24/02/2023 11:27:52
From: Cymek
ID: 1998047
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

Cymek said:

Hello

Top o’ the mornin’ to ye.

how’s the credential worship today

The what ?

Reply Quote

Date: 24/02/2023 11:35:06
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1998049
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

The Rev Dodgson said:


SCIENCE said:

remember when the massive lobbystrong renewable energy industry forced us to all dry our clothes outside in the sun


Just looked up Dr Nick Coatsworth. He doesn’t sound like a nutter, which just goes to show that you never can tell, I suppose:

Dr Nick Coatsworth was one of Australia’s Deputy Chief Medical Officers. He is also the Executive Director of the Medical Services Group at Canberra Health Services. Nick held a key national role in the Australian response to COVID-19. Bringing together his skills as an infectious disease physician, a respiratory physician, a practitioner of disaster and humanitarian medicine, and high level experience in health administration, Nick’s contribution provided a voice for frontline hospital staff in the national response to the pandemic. He became one of the most recognised medical spokespeople during the pandemic, engaging the Australian community through a variety of media platforms.

Nick has had a long history of leadership in medicine. He was Executive Director of the National Critical Care and Trauma Response Centre in Darwin, and oversaw deployments of Australian Medical Assistance Teams to Vanuatu and Fiji after Cyclone Pam and Winston. Nick led the second AusMAT to the Philippines after Typhoon Haiyan.

During his early career years Nick was a field doctor for Medecins Sans Frontieres and practised in the Republic of Congo, Chad and Darfur. Later, he became President of the Australian Section of MSF and served on the Board for two terms. He continues to serve on the Board of Careflight Limited.

Nick graduated from the University of Western Australia with Honours in 2001. He has a Masters degree in International Public Health from the University of Sydney. Currently, Nick is part way through his Doctoral thesis understanding the Australian foreign policy response to global health events, focussing on the COVID-19 pandemic.

>>>…as an infectious disease physician, a respiratory physician,…

Scratches head.

Reply Quote

Date: 24/02/2023 12:34:29
From: Michael V
ID: 1998065
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-24/act-last-covid-rules-lifted-as-rat-results-no-longer-required/102013138

Reply Quote

Date: 24/02/2023 12:50:59
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 1998076
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Just looking at some hand sanitiser. There’s a five litre bottle of the stuff, but in the instructions there’s this bit of text …

“Skin Contact
If skin or hair contact occurs, remove contaminated clothing and flush skin and hair with running water”

Reply Quote

Date: 24/02/2023 12:52:55
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1998077
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Spiny Norman said:


Just looking at some hand sanitiser. There’s a five litre bottle of the stuff, but in the instructions there’s this bit of text …

“Skin Contact
If skin or hair contact occurs, remove contaminated clothing and flush skin and hair with running water”

Very strong sanitiser by the sound of it.

Reply Quote

Date: 24/02/2023 12:53:24
From: transition
ID: 1998079
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Spiny Norman said:


Just looking at some hand sanitiser. There’s a five litre bottle of the stuff, but in the instructions there’s this bit of text …

“Skin Contact
If skin or hair contact occurs, remove contaminated clothing and flush skin and hair with running water”

perhaps you’re meant to just hang on to the container, not dispense it

certainly last longer

Reply Quote

Date: 24/02/2023 12:54:23
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1998081
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Spiny Norman said:


Just looking at some hand sanitiser. There’s a five litre bottle of the stuff, but in the instructions there’s this bit of text …

“Skin Contact
If skin or hair contact occurs, remove contaminated clothing and flush skin and hair with running water”

‘..the re-label bottle as ‘paint stripper’.

Reply Quote

Date: 24/02/2023 12:55:25
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1998084
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

captain_spalding said:


Spiny Norman said:

Just looking at some hand sanitiser. There’s a five litre bottle of the stuff, but in the instructions there’s this bit of text …

“Skin Contact
If skin or hair contact occurs, remove contaminated clothing and flush skin and hair with running water”

‘..the re-label bottle as ‘paint stripper’.

‘…then re-label…’

Reply Quote

Date: 24/02/2023 12:55:53
From: roughbarked
ID: 1998085
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Spiny Norman said:


Just looking at some hand sanitiser. There’s a five litre bottle of the stuff, but in the instructions there’s this bit of text …

“Skin Contact
If skin or hair contact occurs, remove contaminated clothing and flush skin and hair with running water”

Goodo.
Just don’t drink the stuff.

Reply Quote

Date: 24/02/2023 12:56:33
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1998086
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Michael V said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-24/act-last-covid-rules-lifted-as-rat-results-no-longer-required/102013138

lol fucking genius reporting

The ACT’s final COVID-19 rule is about to be lifted, ending an era mostly defined by compliance

wait what’s that voice we’re hearing oh yes must be the paranoid schizophrenia playing up, it’s telling us that the correct word is pretence, oh and tokenism, as in

The ACT’s final COVID-19 pretence is about to be lifted, ending an era mostly defined by tokenism

seems a bit more legit’, there

Reply Quote

Date: 24/02/2023 12:57:40
From: roughbarked
ID: 1998089
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

captain_spalding said:


captain_spalding said:

Spiny Norman said:

Just looking at some hand sanitiser. There’s a five litre bottle of the stuff, but in the instructions there’s this bit of text …

“Skin Contact
If skin or hair contact occurs, remove contaminated clothing and flush skin and hair with running water”

‘..the re-label bottle as ‘paint stripper’.

‘…then re-label…’

Sounds about right.

Reply Quote

Date: 24/02/2023 13:05:55
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1998096
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

roughbarked said:


captain_spalding said:

captain_spalding said:

‘..the re-label bottle as ‘paint stripper’.

‘…then re-label…’

Sounds about right.

sure, we’ll be happy to paint stripper on the wall

Reply Quote

Date: 24/02/2023 13:31:33
From: Michael V
ID: 1998127
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2023-02-22/new-pfizer-bivalent-covid-vaccine-available-march/101999092

Reply Quote

Date: 24/02/2023 13:34:42
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1998133
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Michael V said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2023-02-22/new-pfizer-bivalent-covid-vaccine-available-march/101999092

nice little cash cow they’ll be milking for the centuries until people realise the narcissistic sociopathic former deputy chief health and medical officers among others are just in it to score Economy Must Grow kickbacks

Reply Quote

Date: 24/02/2023 14:35:46
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1998184
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

You Too Could Be A Hero, Just Hurry Up And Die For The Economy Must Grow ¡

https://time.com/6251077/covid-19-pandemic-end/

Reply Quote

Date: 24/02/2023 14:38:43
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1998186
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

You Too Could Be A Hero, Just Hurry Up And Die For The Economy Must Grow ¡

https://time.com/6251077/covid-19-pandemic-end/

sorry they beat us to it by like a whole year



Reply Quote

Date: 24/02/2023 22:42:41
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1998440
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

oh look a bunch of lying trolls pretending to be experts (so-called, who know nothing) yet again

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/commentary-wear-respirator-not-cloth-or-surgical-mask-protect-against-respiratory-viruses

Dr Brosseau is a national expert on respiratory protection and infectious diseases and a research consultant with the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy (CIDRAP) at the University of Minnesota (UMN). Dr MacIntyre is Professor of Global Security at the University of New South Wales. She coauthored a separate critique of the Jefferson Cochrane review. Dr Ulrich is a UMN assistant professor in the Division of Environmental Health Sciences and a CIDRAP researcher. Dr Osterholm is CIDRAP director and Regents Professor at UMN.

same crowd as always, probably disinformation agents

⚠ these are actually the ones we would trust but hey you do you

Reply Quote

Date: 24/02/2023 22:56:02
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1998442
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

lies

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/massive-surge-in-hospitalizations-of-babies-and-young-kids-due-to-covid-recorded-in-2nd-year-of-pandemic-1.6285415

Reply Quote

Date: 24/02/2023 22:59:03
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1998445
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

damn


that Economy, it Must Grow, truly

Reply Quote

Date: 24/02/2023 23:20:21
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1998450
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

COVIDiots: “So to decrease the probability of a case by 100% for the whole 7 years of primary school that means you need 10872% mask compliance¡”

Reply Quote

Date: 25/02/2023 10:18:17
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1998555
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

lies

all lies

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-25/air-pollution-melbourne-west-sydney-australia/101678936

you fools everyone knows that dying of air pollution is important for Rich Hybrid Flock Immunity, not to mention The Economy Must Grow, hurry up and breathe deep

Reply Quote

Date: 25/02/2023 11:54:20
From: transition
ID: 1998599
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

damn


that Economy, it Must Grow, truly

maybe are worldist covid transport capsules, room with a view, gots the altitude, forgets it’s horrid enclosure, held-in farts and recycled farts inspires notions, shared notions, fertile territory for casual covidmongering arseholery, dissembled gas

gets yaself some covid injury, some fucken plague, mate

Reply Quote

Date: 25/02/2023 17:05:15
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1998688
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

He’d finished a PhD. Then long COVID hit and he couldn’t make dinner
An academic, suddenly struggling to prepare a simple meal. A once-athletic teen, crippled by fatigue. A half-marathon hopeful, now relying on a wheelchair. More than three years into the pandemic, scientists are still trying to unravel the mysteries of long COVID.

By Fenella Souter

FEBRUARY 25, 2023

Like millions of other people, I caught COVID-19 last year. I still remember the sense of dread when the telltale second bar emerged, languidly, on a RAT. That other small red line, startling, so incontrovertibly there, sparked a rush of panic as hot as the fever coming on. Here it was at last, the spiky invader the world had come to fear. The small, plastic rectangle sitting on the kitchen table was like an unsolicited ticket to an uncertain destination; a journey that would be unpleasant, at very least, probably rocky, lonely, and possibly fatal.

It was only after I’d been ill for a few days that a new fear bubbled up. It seemed I wasn’t going to die right then, but would I join the small but not insignificant percentage of people in whom the virus appeared to have “left the building” but deposited a nasty calling card? Would my health be radically changed for months, if not years?

I knew long COVID could be bad. I wouldn’t realise just how bad until I spoke to “long-haulers” for this story months later. The worst affected aren’t just a bit tired. They’re the barely walking wounded, the forgotten casualties of a war we’d like to declare over, even as each new surge of COVID threatens to lead to new cases. Long COVID does more than debilitate mind and body. It crushes the spirit. As one man in the prime of his life would tell me: “I can’t do any of the things I used to do – work, socialise, go to the gym, travel. It has been a nightmare getting help, and I have no idea when it will end. Some days I wake up and wonder why I exist.”

Back in 2020, cases of long COVID seemed like curiosities. In reality, they were harbingers of a condition that one concerned doctor in the US – where it’s affecting tens of millions – has labelled a “mass disabling event”. The Australian Medical Association president, Professor Steve Robson, recently noted one of the many fallouts from COVID could be “a tsunami of people with long-term problems”.

There is no test for long COVID. It’s self-reported and relies on a diagnosis of exclusion, which is one reason more people aged 20 to 55 are diagnosed with it than older people, who have other health issues to muddy the picture. The World Health Organisation defines it as having continuing or new symptoms for at least three months after the initial infection, with these symptoms lasting at least two months, with no alternative explanation.

Estimates of just how many cases there are vary wildly, confused by sketchy reporting, the impact of vaccination, different definitions, different strains producing different outcomes, and missed diagnoses. Overseas data suggests it affects at least 10 per cent of people who get COVID, but that’s thought to be an underestimate. As of last December, the WHO put it at 10 to 20 per cent. And an Australian National University study released last October estimated 5 per cent of Australians infected with COVID had symptoms for more than three months.

Long COVID is the “post-COVID” headache that governments hope will go away. At a press conference last October, federal Chief Medical Officer Paul Kelly seemed to suggest it wasn’t a significant problem here. Thanks to vaccination and the milder Omicron, he said, “we’re not seeing a major picture of long COVID.”

Professor Steven Faux, a rehab medicine specialist and co-lead of the Long COVID-19 clinic at Sydney’s St Vincent’s Hospital, begged to differ, likening the comments to “pulling the sheet over your head”.

“Mostly we’re seeing people who got  … in the Omicron wave,” Faux told media at the time, “… and the majority are vaccinated.” He pointed to a UK study, featured in The Lancet in June 2022, that showed even those who were triple vaccinated and infected with Omicron had a long COVID rate of 5 per cent (with Delta, it was slightly more than 10 per cent).

“ is not a major problem, unless you consider that over 10 million Australians have had COVID,” said Faux. (The figure is now 11 million.) With the COVID wave that has washed through China and new variants like XBB.1.5 that have surged in the US, long COVID is unlikely to disappear, although it may ease if strains keep getting milder. Vaccination does seem to offer some protection, although one large peer-reviewed US study, published in Nature Medicine last May, found it reduced the risk of developing long COVID by only 15 per cent. Other studies have put it higher.

How concerned should we be? Professor Gail Matthews is an infectious diseases expert and heads the ADAPT study, a joint project between the UNSW Kirby Institute and Sydney’s St Vincent’s Hospital, that has followed a cohort of COVID patients since 2020.

“On a worldwide scale, even at a low prevalence,” says Matthews, “that is potentially tens of millions of people affected. What we don’t know is their trajectory. Will they all be back at work in two years, five years – or will a significant number still be impacted on an economic level, a family level, on what they can contribute to society? Measuring that impact is something governments need to be taking seriously.” Indeed, a round-up study published in Nature Microbiology in January this year, estimated, conservatively, that at least 65 million people worldwide have long COVID.

As we enter our fourth year of the virus, where are we at with its destructive, overstaying relative? And what does “living with the virus” mean for people with long COVID?

In December, I visit the Long COVID Clinic at St Vincent’s, as a journalist, not an outpatient. There’s hand sanitiser and masks but also a little hardy frontline humour – a Post-It note slipped into an old-fashioned nativity tableau reads: “Baby due December 25”. The main reception area has tinsel and the usual bureaucratic answer to anguish, a poster with a QR code to online resources: “Take control of your mental well-being during COVID-19.” Both bolster the impression we’re on top of this COVID business, despite a record 15,000 or so Australians dying with or from it in 2022.

I get lost in a corridor and a helpful young man comes to my aid. He turns out to be a clinic outpatient, a corporate lawyer on indefinite leave. We’ve only been speaking for a few minutes when, a little embarrassed, he asks if I mind if he sits down. Not so long ago he was working 60- to 80-hour weeks and cycling to work.

It was almost 12 months to the day, he says, that he caught the virus. He’s only in his 30s but he has the air of desperation that I’ll encounter in so many people with long COVID. When I Google him later, it’s hard to reconcile the bright-eyed special counsel in a business suit with the pale wraith I’d seen at the hospital.

Why do only some people get long COVID? Still a mystery. Payton Jacobs, once an athletic 18-year-old and one of the first patients at the St Vincent’s clinic, caught COVID in the first Omicron wave, at the same time as her parents and siblings. One sibling even has diabetes, yet Payton was the only one who didn’t bounce back, and still hasn’t. She caught it again in August and is still troubled by fatigue, muscle aches and “brain fog”.

Known risk factors are having a chronic condition such as type 2 diabetes or being hospitalised with severe COVID but also include: being female; copping a high viral load early on and/or having more than five symptoms (anecdotally, many of the people Good Weekend spoke to remembered being quite unwell, though not hospitalised, in the acute phase); repeated COVID re-infections; or having Epstein-Barr virus reactivated by COVID. (EBV is a very common herpes virus most of us have been exposed to. It can cause glandular fever, among other things, and can lie dormant for years.) Oh, and possibly genetics. None of that is much help in knowing if you’re next in line. Right now, the only sure way to not be at risk of getting long COVID is to not get COVID.

The World Health Organisation’s list of its reported symptoms now sits at a staggering 200-plus. They include chest pain, joint pain, loss of smell or taste, skin disorders, gut disorders, hair loss, heart palpitations, headache, internal tremors, sore throat, sleep apnoea, nausea, diarrhoea, vomiting, allergies, fever, anorexia, “difficulty articulating self” (one patient reported feeling as if his hands were no longer his own), and most commonly, cognitive impairment or “brain fog”, and immense fatigue.

It’s a systemic condition and almost no part of the body is off-limits: the respiratory, reproductive or cardiovascular systems, brain, ears, eyes, kidneys, gut, liver, skin.

As we know, just having COVID itself can be risky, even if we’ve grown blasé about the virus. The research into long-term damage to organs and systems from a COVID infection is still in its infancy, cautions Gail Matthews; it’s not unanimous, and some pre-dates the introduction of vaccines, or was done with early strains like Delta. Nonetheless, it does seem that in some people, even mild cases of COVID can increase the risk of developing chronic diseases or health conditions you never had before, or perhaps didn’t know you had. Diabetes, for example, tachycardia (racing heart), myocarditis or atrial fibrillation. (Other bacterial or viral infections, such as influenza, can affect the heart, too, because of inflammation, but COVID infections, making the blood stickier, appear to be especially risky.)

Omicron might be less likely to spark serious complications or long COVID; the jury is still out. On the other hand, it infects many more people. Indeed, most of Australia’s long COVID cases occurred last year.

Either way, the kind of long COVID symptoms people are presenting with has broadened over time, says Anne Holland, professor of physiotherapy and head of respiratory research at Melbourne’s Alfred Health and Monash University.

“In the early days, we were expecting persistent respiratory symptoms and people with symptoms similar to post-ICU ,” says Holland, “and we did see that then – impaired exercise tolerance, weakness of muscle mass, breathlessness. Now we see many more people who have the brain fog, the fatigue, difficulty with memory and concentration, and difficulty with returning to work. We’ve often got people who were very high-performing, at the peak of their career, who need support.”

Tom Andrews is, or was – he’s no longer sure which tense to use – a member of a law faculty with a university in Melbourne. He finished a PhD last year. Before April 2022, the 36-year-old would have described himself as smart, methodical, focused. He also owns a 500-page cookbook on French sauce-making. So, in his worst days of long COVID, when he found himself standing in front of the stove without the faintest idea of how to go about making a meal, he knew he’d arrived at a dark place.

RELATED
Good Weekend Newsletter
Good Weekend
Sign up for the Good Weekend newsletter
“I could remember cooking dinner in a past life,” he says, “but my brain couldn’t sequence what to do – the prepping of ingredients, turning-on of pots, heating of water, cooking of things. If you’re the sort of person who has built a life around a life of the mind as a teaching and research academic, it’s incredibly distressing to be in this place where you can remember doing really basic things but are now incapable of them.”

His language is still intact – and only an academic can use a word like “phenomenologically” without stumbling – but the other cognitive losses have been frightening. He dislikes the term “brain fog” to describe the way long COVID can mess with your head. “It makes it sound benign, as if a white cloud descends over one’s mind. It doesn’t really get at the experience of a serious cognitive impairment. It’s closer to an acquired brain injury.”

He was “quite unwell” with his first bout of COVID last April, he recalls. “Not hospitalised, but in bed for five days with a high fever and most of the classic symptoms. About two weeks after the acute phase, I felt there was something wrong with my brain. I kept having that feeling you get when you’re trying to get out the door and can’t find your keys and panic a bit.

“Then I started having trouble reading and huge bouts of fatigue would overcome me. I had trouble with comprehension. It happened gradually and got worse over time.” He thought that if he just pushed himself harder, kept trying to work, he’d beat it. “I thought I had some onset of an attention-deficit problem, a problem with concentration. I thought if I just concentrated a bit more, paid a little more attention, made more lists, I’d be able to push through and get better.”

“It’s incredibly distressing to be in this place where you can remember doing really basic things but are now incapable of them.”

It just made him worse. He finally went to a neuro-psychologist. “After more than three hours of cognitive tests, they found that there was a severe deficit of working memory. My sense had been that I was probably a couple per cent off my A-game, not quite capable anymore of performing at the level needed to be an academic in Australia, but the testing revealed I’d actually dropped into the bottom 10 per cent of the population. It was a shock but it did provide some diagnostic clarity that I wasn’t making it up,” he says. “I also had a lot more empathy for my students who say, ‘Reading is really hard.’ ”

The idea you might be “making it up” echoes the history of chronic fatigue/ME, that invisible condition with some similarities to long COVID. It wasn’t so very long ago that chronic fatigue sufferers, mostly female, were accused of being hysterical, neurotic or malingering.

Jack Newsome*, 34, was a business analyst in Canberra before he caught COVID last May. He now has chronic gastrointestinal problems and allergies to all sorts of things, including alcohol, as well as fatigue and brain fog. He recalls the first GP telling him he just needed to “get a life and a girlfriend”. “I also went to an immunologist who couldn’t get me out of there fast enough. The doctors don’t know how to fix it but a lot aren’t trying, either.”

Melbourne woman Miquette Abercrombie, 50, insists many sufferers are still disbelieved. She helps run the Australian Long COVID Community Facebook group, and it’s telling that its membership has shot from 300 in 2020 to almost 3500 now. Interestingly, a survey of its members found most were vaccinated and most were infected in the Omicron wave.

Before Abercrombie caught COVID, in April last year, she was a bookkeeper, a half-marathon hopeful and a gym regular. Now she can barely speak. Her voice is so croaky, slow and breathless, she sounds like a badly programmed bot. She has been crushed by the condition.

Almost a year later, she is still virtually bedridden and relies on a wheelchair. She’s often in pain and says she has a shopping list of symptoms, such as POTS (postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome, where your heart rate soars when you stand up and you can collapse), as well as conditions she never had before, including diabetes and mast-cell activation syndrome, diagnosed by her GP by her rashes and reactions to histamines. She can’t afford specialists.

Long COVID has pushed her off a cliff financially. It’s considered a disease and not a disability, so most sufferers don’t qualify for disability benefits or the NDIS. Abercrombie says being transformed into a symptom-plagued invalid was bad enough without being doubted as well.

“Initially a lot of people thought I was trying to get sympathy and it couldn’t be that bad,” she says. “Family and friends all drop off because your tests come back as normal so they say, ‘Well, she must be faking it.’ This happens to so many of our members. It’s why the group is such a lifeline. My frame of mind is to just get through each day. That’s it. I’m terrified of getting COVID again because it could kill me this time. People think you’re dramatising but you’re not.”

“Family and friends all drop off because your tests come back as normal so they say, ‘Well, she must be faking it.’ ”

Even some of the scientists trying to crack long COVID have encountered scepticism. Bruce Brew is a senior neurologist at St Vincent’s Hospital in Sydney and the head of the Peter Duncan Neurosciences Research Unit. He and his team of researchers are part of the ADAPT study that has been collecting COVID data since February 2020.

“At that stage, the cognitive aspects weren’t even on the agenda,” Brew remembers. “But we deliberately incorporated some neuro-psychological testing and it soon became clear there were cognitive difficulties. We presented the early data at several local, national and international meetings and people didn’t believe us. There was a lot of pushback – ‘Oh, they’ve been through a nasty illness, they’re depressed, anxious.’ It took a while for people to realise this was a bona fide condition.”

Ten months in, Tom Andrews finds himself wishing he had something else. “Throughout this whole process, I’ve honestly been desperate to find out it isn’t COVID. I’d like an alternative diagnosis – ‘It’s not COVID, it was sleep apnoea!’ Something which accounts for the symptoms but has a clear treatment protocol. A pathway out of this experience, which is clear and understood and linear.”

The only way he has improved, to some degree, is through profound rest. He still sleeps 12 to 14 hours most days. In October, he caught COVID again, only mildly, but it made his fatigue worse.

Many long COVID sufferers were once highly active people who now make the mistake of trying to barrel through. They go back to work too early or over-exert themselves. “Over-exertion” can be something as simple as writing a long email, doing too much housework or, as Miquette Abercrombie found recently, sitting in a chair for too long at a family lunch, “completely exhausted from pretending I was okay”.

They end up “crashing” with what’s known as post-exertional malaise, exhausted for hours or sometimes days. Payton Jacobs, the 18-year-old, says her fatigue is still extreme and her “crashes” are like a collapse, leaving her feeling paralysed, her limbs leaden. She struggled through her HSC exams last year, with a bed set up for her so she could sleep when necessary.

Says her mother, Helen: “Never in January , when she first got sick, did we expect we’d still be dealing with this. Never. The GP we saw originally said she’d be better in four weeks at the most. Payton kept thinking there’d be a change. It’s sad, but now she’s not expecting a quick fix with anything.” At one point, the desperate family was thinking of trying a long COVID centre in Thailand.

The handful of overstretched long COVID clinics here wish they had more answers. In the absence of a breakthrough, they’ve had to fall back on conventional approaches to rehab medicine, with limited success. The bigger clinics can offer on-site investigations if necessary – neurological, cardiac, and so on – but the mainstays are still physio, occupational therapy, and neuro-psychology. Steven Faux acknowledges that long COVID takes a heavy mental toll.

“You’ve got to live with uncertainty, not knowing how long it’s going to go on for,” he says. “You’ve got to have the coping skills for that, and a lot of people don’t, especially if they’ve been high-achieving and perfectionist, which is the phenotype we often see.

“The other issue it causes is over-investigation, with test after test, and that’s anxiety-provoking. You know, ‘We’re going to do an MRI.’ ‘Shit, I hope you don’t find a brain tumour.’ ”

But what’s the point of an MRI if there’s no way to fix a problem associated with long COVID? “Sometimes it’s vindication,” Faux says. “A lot of people want to know, ‘I’m not faking it, I have got a weird thing in my brain.’ That’s a big deal. A lot of people who come to the clinic say, ‘I saw you, the tests showed me all the things that were wrong with me, I feel incredibly relieved.’ ”

On the other hand, standard imaging may not reveal any abnormalities. “Only 19 out of the 28 patients with long COVID in the ADAPT study had abnormal MRIs. But you can still have massive brain fog, so it’s a different mechanism.”

Even now, no one is sure what’s going on with long COVID. In most illnesses, the immune system deals with the problem and then switches off. That’s not happening here, says Bruce Brew, who’s also president of the International Society for NeuroVirology. It may be that the stimulus (COVID) is “tricking” the immune system, or that the immune response is wrong. Or it could be a misleading stimulus and a faulty response. Both can cause damage.

With the stimulus, the thinking is that uncleared toxic viral “bits” floating around could be confusing, and continually stimulating, the immune system, making it think it still has COVID to fight. (It’s also possible there’s ongoing, low-level production of the actual virus but there’s no hard evidence of that so far, says Brew.) Normally the body knows it can live with bits of leftover virus or infection and doesn’t stay on high alert.

In the response scenario, the immune cells are staying overactive, for whatever reason – maybe a faulty off-switch, for example. It’s like a driver who keeps their foot on the accelerator when they should know it’s time to apply the brake. As a result, the immune system keeps releasing high levels of inflammatory substances, such as interferons and cytokines, and manufactures autoantibodies. (Autoantibodies make the body mistakenly attack itself, as in auto-immune diseases such as lupus or rheumatoid arthritis.)

Just as Brew and his team have been studying those pathways in relation to the brain, and others have been looking at the heart and respiratory systems, Gail Matthews and a group of immunologists at the Kirby Institute have been looking for answers in the blood. “Something is triggering elevated levels of interferons but we don’t know what,” she says. “It’s the sort of picture you’d see if someone was fighting off an acute infection, when the body’s immune system goes into overdrive. And that’s often what causes people’s ‘symptoms’ when they’re unwell, say with flu.

“It’s not the virus but the body’s response to the virus that makes you feel so lousy; body aches, temperature and so on. That’s your body’s immune system activating. If that signal is constantly switched on, then it’s constantly driving some of the symptoms – of fatigue and so on. It’s like your body is constantly trying to fight a viral infection.”

Part of her routine assessment is to exclude any evidence of blood clots – brain clots and heart clots, for example – because COVID is known to enhance clotting. Internationally, a growing number of researchers suspect that much tinier clots could lie at the heart of long COVID. These microclots could persist for months or years after infection, blocking up capillaries and reducing the flow of oxygen. It could explain the shortness of breath, fatigue, brain fog, organ damage. They are so minute they can’t be seen with ordinary imaging techniques.

But even if the basic theory is right, a crucial unknown, and one that would influence treatment, is whether the microclots are leftovers from an acute COVID infection, or are forming – and so will keep forming – in response to something else still there, such as a lingering SARS-CoV-2 spike protein.

Frustratingly little progress has been made with treatments for long COVID, although that’s the case with many other post-viral conditions, too, whether they follow glandular fever or chickenpox, polio or Ebola. Still, the global impact of long COVID means the research effort has been more intense – and scattergun. Gail Matthews points to the massive and motley list of long COVID-related trials on the US clinicaltrials.gov website.

“It shows just how many different therapeutic interventions are being trialled, from dietary supplements to hyperbaric oxygen, stem cells, statins, antidepressants,” she says. “That broad range says to me people don’t know where to begin, although we are finally starting to see large randomised therapeutic clinical trials get underway. For example, Recover COVID in the US and STIMULATE-ICP in the UK.”

The hope is that existing drugs will turn out to be useful. Antivirals are one possibility and in December, for example, an assistant professor of psychiatry and neurology at Yale Medicine in the US reported some success in reducing brain fog by using the blood-pressure drug guanfacine, and NAC, an antioxidant – a combination he has used to treat traumatic brain injury and PTSD. That trial, however, was tiny.

Newsome, the Canberra man, is worried that Australia’s cautious approach to unorthodox or new treatments will see a solution come belatedly. “We need help now. Waiting five years is ridiculous. By then it might be too late for some of us, if treatment is time-critical.”

Researchers can’t test every idea, however, and they can’t put patients at risk. Trials are expensive and there has to be a rationale, says Steven Faux. “For example, the drug and alcohol people are really interested in naltrexone because it has been shown to be anti-inflammatory. Okay, not a bad idea. Let’s start a randomised, controlled, double-blind study. Otherwise, it’s the same as ‘Let’s inject Pine-o-Cleen into our veins, let’s try chloroquine, chloroquine might work!’ It’s in that mad, unproven area. There is a good basis to exploring naltrexone, but it also has side effects and safety issues.”

On the other hand, he agrees with Newsome about the urgency. “In the Long COVID clinic, we have people who can no longer work, can’t function and so we have to deliver the treatments, the best we can cobble together from the research and the evidence around.”

Last year he gave a talk about long COVID to rural GPs. “They told me, ‘If patients come to us with long COVID, we’ve decided we’re going to put them all on aspirin, an antihistamine and an antidepressant.’ They said that so far, they were having very good results,” he recalls.

“So we need to have a look at studies like that. Again, it’s rational – antihistamines because there’s ongoing mast-cell activation in the chest, aspirin because of microclots, and antidepressants because many of them have mental-health issues that are undiagnosed.”

Meanwhile, desperate long-haulers are willing to try just about anything. Forums are full of shared experiences and suggestions, ranging from vitamin C injections to melatonin and sunshine, from antioxidants like glutathione to TENS machines (to stimulate the vagus nerve). A few are reportedly easing symptoms, but none is producing spectacular results.

“You have to go through a process of grieving the person you once were. But you have to accept there is no going back. There’s only changing.”

In July last year, a joint investigation by Britain’s ITV News and the British Medical Journal found some long-haulers have spent thousands of dollars on treatments, unproven for long COVID, at private clinics in Europe. One, for example, is a process called apheresis, where all the blood is removed and its components separated before it’s transfused back into the body (apheresis is also used, in other circumstances, to treat some blood cancers). Each cycle reportedly costs close to $3000 and some patients have had more than 20 cycles. A few reported noticing some benefit. Many said they were no better, just out of pocket.

“The research is really poor,” says Faux. “On the case studies I’ve seen, some people get better after the first one but it’s not sustained. If it was going to clean your blood out, you’d expect you’d be better all the time.”

Tom Andrews says that, aside from the healing power of rest and time, he has found meditation and psychology sessions helpful. “It doesn’t change the symptoms but it helps to change how you feel about them,” he says. “A lot of my identity was tied up with my career, as it is for many people. So having that taken away, and never knowing if you’re going to be capable of going back into that line of work, means you have to go through a process of grieving the person you once were. But you have to accept there is no going back. There’s only changing.”

Even so, he’s angry at the lack of real support or help out there, arguing that an increased risk of long COVID was “an entirely predictable consequence” of lifting restrictions and letting the virus roam free in the community.

“Opening up was probably the right way to go,” he says, “but we needed to make sure we caught the people who suffered consequences as a result. The reality of suffering doesn’t go away because you’re choosing not to look at it.”

To date, the handful of long COVID clinics have struggled to cope with demand. Most are based in big cities. Some have waiting lists almost 12 months long. In rural areas, it’s worse. Dr Sumitha Gounden, a rehabilitation staff specialist at Orange Base Hospital in western NSW, established a regional clinic last year. But as she told The Age in November: “There are no resources … It’s only me.”

Gounden remains the only doctor consistently treating long COVID in her entire district of 276,000 people. Some clinics, such as the one attached to Melbourne’s Austin Hospital, closed late last year when funding ended.

“There’s a lot of uncertainty about ongoing funding,” says Faux, echoing widespread concerns. “And some promises are still to be met. In the meantime, hospitals are taking whatever action they can, and it’s variable. Your services for long COVID will be postcode-driven.”

A federal parliamentary inquiry into long COVID, chaired by MP Dr Mike Freelander, is due to report in late March or early April. Freelander says it’s already clear there’s a lack of hard data around long COVID, as well as around related matters, such as ongoing vaccine side effects. He doesn’t want to pre-empt the findings but agrees it’s likely only a few long COVID clinics will be kept on, as “centres of excellence and expertise that could act as referral centres for patients of concern”. GPs will be expected to handle the rest.

One bright spot is that most long COVID sufferers do seem to improve with time, especially with help – sometimes within six months, sometimes longer. “The anecdotal evidence,” says Freelander, “is that the vast majority get better within a year or two, although we still don’t have really good data about that.”

Even that, of course, is a long time to be locked out of life. As the world moves on, thousands of long-haulers can’t help but feel abandoned, left clinging to the pandemic wreckage, still plagued by what now feels like a forgotten disease. All they can do is wait.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/he-d-finished-a-phd-then-long-covid-hit-and-he-couldn-t-make-dinner-20230119-p5cdsr.html

Reply Quote

Date: 25/02/2023 17:06:41
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1998689
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

let it rip

Reply Quote

Date: 25/02/2023 17:07:27
From: roughbarked
ID: 1998690
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Thanks Witty. That’s a long read. I’ll save it for later.

Reply Quote

Date: 25/02/2023 17:18:01
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1998694
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

>>Some days I wake up and wonder why I exist

Hello friend.
If you ring PeterT Ministries on 1300YIEXIST you can speak with one of our counselors for a very modest fee.

Reply Quote

Date: 25/02/2023 21:43:39
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1998861
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

oh

It’s tempting to rely on the statements of a study’s “lead author” as gospel. It’s also slothful. Jefferson is the first-named of the 12 authors on the paper, but it appears from the text that he had relatively little to do with it. His name comes last or doesn’t appear at all in the paper’s rundown of every author’s specific contributions to the final product. In any event, Jefferson is something of a shaky reed on which to hang judgments about the paper’s conclusions. As Kelsey Piper of Vox points out, he has “a number of eccentric and flatly nonsensical opinions about COVID-19,” including that it circulated in Europe for years before its outbreak in China in December 2019.

wait up

https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2023-02-24/covid-deniers-celebrate-a-study-that-claims-mask-mandates-dont-work-but-the-study-says-the-opposite

Reply Quote

Date: 26/02/2023 08:14:19
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1998944
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

jésus fucking christ if they close the schools any more they’re going to have the worst immunity debt COVID-19 and RSV Influenza Adenovirus Streptococcus Poliomyelitis Smallpox you’ve ever seen from all those lockdowns and masks goddamn

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-26/why-us-schools-are-switching-to-a-four-day-week/101993630

oh wait don’t worry it’s the same amount of infection time

Fewer but longer days: How four-day school weeks work

Reply Quote

Date: 26/02/2023 10:42:04
From: dv
ID: 1998968
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/news/protests-for-heart-transplant-outside-hospital-for-a-woman-not-jabbed/news-story/4d92fcab92b7fe2b5ccce3cb05c0bcc4

Antivaxers block entrance to Melbourne’s Alfred Hospital

Reply Quote

Date: 26/02/2023 10:45:42
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1998970
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

dv said:


https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/news/protests-for-heart-transplant-outside-hospital-for-a-woman-not-jabbed/news-story/4d92fcab92b7fe2b5ccce3cb05c0bcc4

Antivaxers block entrance to Melbourne’s Alfred Hospital

The ambulances should run them over.

Reply Quote

Date: 26/02/2023 10:51:11
From: Michael V
ID: 1998975
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Bubblecar said:


dv said:

https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/news/protests-for-heart-transplant-outside-hospital-for-a-woman-not-jabbed/news-story/4d92fcab92b7fe2b5ccce3cb05c0bcc4

Antivaxers block entrance to Melbourne’s Alfred Hospital

The ambulances should run them over.

LOL

Reply Quote

Date: 26/02/2023 10:53:14
From: Tamb
ID: 1998978
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Michael V said:


Bubblecar said:

dv said:

https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/news/protests-for-heart-transplant-outside-hospital-for-a-woman-not-jabbed/news-story/4d92fcab92b7fe2b5ccce3cb05c0bcc4

Antivaxers block entrance to Melbourne’s Alfred Hospital

The ambulances should run them over.

LOL


Too much paperwork. Maybe the garbage collection truck?

Reply Quote

Date: 26/02/2023 10:53:40
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1998980
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

dv said:


https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/news/protests-for-heart-transplant-outside-hospital-for-a-woman-not-jabbed/news-story/4d92fcab92b7fe2b5ccce3cb05c0bcc4

Antivaxers block entrance to Melbourne’s Alfred Hospital

she does have an exemption. And I reckon she has been trying to associate with those who have had the vaccine rather than not.

Reply Quote

Date: 26/02/2023 10:59:11
From: Woodie
ID: 1998989
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

dv said:


https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/news/protests-for-heart-transplant-outside-hospital-for-a-woman-not-jabbed/news-story/4d92fcab92b7fe2b5ccce3cb05c0bcc4

Antivaxers block entrance to Melbourne’s Alfred Hospital

I’d protest too. A heart transplant should be done inside the hospital. Not outside of it.

Reply Quote

Date: 26/02/2023 11:00:47
From: Kothos
ID: 1998991
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

dv said:


https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/news/protests-for-heart-transplant-outside-hospital-for-a-woman-not-jabbed/news-story/4d92fcab92b7fe2b5ccce3cb05c0bcc4

Antivaxers block entrance to Melbourne’s Alfred Hospital

How did she get the exemption?

Reply Quote

Date: 26/02/2023 11:02:59
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1998992
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Complications from open heart surgery: No worries.

Complications from vaccine: I MIGHT DIE!

Reply Quote

Date: 26/02/2023 11:13:46
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1998997
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

let it rip

Reply Quote

Date: 26/02/2023 11:23:11
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1998998
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/22/opinion/bird-flu-pandemic-h5n1.html

Reply Quote

Date: 26/02/2023 11:34:11
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1999002
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Michael V said:


Bubblecar said:

dv said:

https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/news/protests-for-heart-transplant-outside-hospital-for-a-woman-not-jabbed/news-story/4d92fcab92b7fe2b5ccce3cb05c0bcc4

Antivaxers block entrance to Melbourne’s Alfred Hospital

The ambulances should run them over.

LOL

You mean, do a Robert Askin?

Reply Quote

Date: 26/02/2023 11:50:26
From: transition
ID: 1999017
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/22/opinion/bird-flu-pandemic-h5n1.html

read some that

probably fairly safe to say that with mass travel across the globe there is no geographic isolation anymore, add poultry farms etc, fucken disaster really, no end to it, ideal though for viruses etc, large host bases, easy travel anywhere and everywhere, and of humans willing hosts apparently

Reply Quote

Date: 26/02/2023 12:04:25
From: Michael V
ID: 1999024
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Witty Rejoinder said:


Complications from open heart surgery: No worries.

Complications from vaccine: I MIGHT DIE!

Tick.

Reply Quote

Date: 26/02/2023 12:16:30
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1999031
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

https://metro.co.uk/2023/02/24/pink-reveals-son-jameson-was-unable-to-breathe-during-covid-battle-18346141/

Reply Quote

Date: 26/02/2023 12:18:08
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1999033
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Michael V said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Complications from open heart surgery: No worries.

Complications from vaccine: I MIGHT DIE!

Tick.

https://www.cdc.gov/relapsing-fever/
https://www.cdc.gov/tick-borne-encephalitis/index.html
https://www.cdc.gov/ehrlichiosis/
https://www.cdc.gov/lyme/
https://www.cdc.gov/parasites/babesiosis/

Reply Quote

Date: 26/02/2023 12:23:17
From: Michael V
ID: 1999037
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

captain_spalding said:


Michael V said:

Bubblecar said:

The ambulances should run them over.

LOL

You mean, do a Robert Askin?

Yes: (sings) “Run, run, run the bastards over.”

My uncle was one of those “bastards”. He was very proud of himself. He was a teacher then.

He studied law, worked in private practice, became a Public Defender, and later sat as a District Court Judge for nearly 24 years.

Reply Quote

Date: 26/02/2023 12:29:03
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1999043
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

Russian spacecraft on the way to rescue space crew stranded on ISS due to coolant leak

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-24/rocket-launched-to-rescue-stranded-space-crew/102020726

can’t we just

Both NASA and Roscosmos believe last year’s leak on the MS-22 spacecraft was caused by a micro-meteoroid — a tiny particle of space rock — hitting the capsule at high velocity. A similar impact is also believed to have caused a separate leak this month on the cooling system of the Progress MS-21 cargo ship, taken out of orbit last week.

blame CHINA goddamnit

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/emerging-infections-characteristics-epidemiology-and-global-distribution/emerging-infections-how-and-why-they-arise

Reply Quote

Date: 26/02/2023 12:34:35
From: ms spock
ID: 1999049
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Michael V said:


captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

LOL

You mean, do a Robert Askin?

Yes: (sings) “Run, run, run the bastards over.”

My uncle was one of those “bastards”. He was very proud of himself. He was a teacher then.

He studied law, worked in private practice, became a Public Defender, and later sat as a District Court Judge for nearly 24 years.

Wow that is amazing Mr V! What stories (sceal in Irish) would he have to tell. Have you read that wonderful book by that magistrate? So touching!

Reply Quote

Date: 26/02/2023 12:41:47
From: Michael V
ID: 1999053
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Complications from open heart surgery: No worries.

Complications from vaccine: I MIGHT DIE!

Tick.

https://www.cdc.gov/relapsing-fever/
https://www.cdc.gov/tick-borne-encephalitis/index.html
https://www.cdc.gov/ehrlichiosis/
https://www.cdc.gov/lyme/
https://www.cdc.gov/parasites/babesiosis/

Reply Quote

Date: 26/02/2023 12:44:29
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1999056
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Prohibition Will Never Work

Reply Quote

Date: 26/02/2023 12:47:22
From: Michael V
ID: 1999058
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

ms spock said:


Michael V said:

captain_spalding said:

You mean, do a Robert Askin?

Yes: (sings) “Run, run, run the bastards over.”

My uncle was one of those “bastards”. He was very proud of himself. He was a teacher then.

He studied law, worked in private practice, became a Public Defender, and later sat as a District Court Judge for nearly 24 years.

Wow that is amazing Mr V! What stories (sceal in Irish) would he have to tell. Have you read that wonderful book by that magistrate? So touching!

He does like telling stories, so does his son who is a journalist, and his daughter who is a university lecturer in animation.

Reply Quote

Date: 26/02/2023 12:50:57
From: Michael V
ID: 1999060
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

Prohibition Will Never Work


Blink, blink, blink. Rubs eyes Nup, it’s still there.

Brain explodes.

Reply Quote

Date: 26/02/2023 13:21:15
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1999077
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

let it rip

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-26/how-science-is-slashing-methane-from-cow-burps/101968484

Reply Quote

Date: 26/02/2023 19:55:19
From: ms spock
ID: 1999157
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Michael V said:


ms spock said:

Michael V said:

Yes: (sings) “Run, run, run the bastards over.”

My uncle was one of those “bastards”. He was very proud of himself. He was a teacher then.

He studied law, worked in private practice, became a Public Defender, and later sat as a District Court Judge for nearly 24 years.

Wow that is amazing Mr V! What stories (sceal in Irish) would he have to tell. Have you read that wonderful book by that magistrate? So touching!

He does like telling stories, so does his son who is a journalist, and his daughter who is a university lecturer in animation.

What a wonderful bunch of characters! The more the merrier to entertain you!

Reply Quote

Date: 27/02/2023 10:17:44
From: Kingy
ID: 1999359
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

“Lab Leak Most Likely Origin of Covid-19 Pandemic, Energy Department Now Says
U.S. agency’s revised assessment is based on new intelligence”

Wall Street Journal

Reply Quote

Date: 27/02/2023 10:20:33
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1999361
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

let it rip

Reply Quote

Date: 27/02/2023 12:08:58
From: LPlaterfoghlaimeoirGaeilge
ID: 1999440
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Kingy said:


“Lab Leak Most Likely Origin of Covid-19 Pandemic, Energy Department Now Says
U.S. agency’s revised assessment is based on new intelligence”

Wall Street Journal

Didn’t dispose of the test animals correctly and a hungry person ate them? Or person fed the properly indisposed test subjects to an animal that they, themselves also ate?

Reply Quote

Date: 28/02/2023 00:23:25
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1999847
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

LOL

remember when

actually no fuck that just LOL

Reply Quote

Date: 28/02/2023 00:29:08
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1999855
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

actually no fuck that just LOL


yeah LOL

Reply Quote

Date: 28/02/2023 00:42:13
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1999856
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Practice For The New Final Solution

Reply Quote

Date: 28/02/2023 00:44:52
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1999857
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

Practice For The New Final Solution


Trigger Warning

https://twitter.com/WVanAdventures/status/1629971306434244611




Reply Quote

Date: 28/02/2023 00:46:28
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1999859
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

oops

Reply Quote

Date: 28/02/2023 00:47:22
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1999861
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

oops

Reply Quote

Date: 28/02/2023 00:56:15
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1999863
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

LOL

remember when

actually no fuck that just LOL

so uh




that’s no Trojan Horse, it’s a Gold Coast Gull and you should bring it home


Reply Quote

Date: 28/02/2023 01:07:10
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1999864
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

ah well at least the oncologists might get their payday

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0165037822002923

COVID-19 can lead to rapid progression of cervical intraepithelial neoplasia by dysregulating the immune system: A hypothesis

1.2. Case presentation

Reply Quote

Date: 28/02/2023 01:10:49
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1999866
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

Practice For The New Final Solution


Trigger Warning

https://twitter.com/WVanAdventures/status/1629971306434244611





When you step back and really see what we do in order to live, humans are not very nice animals.

Reply Quote

Date: 28/02/2023 09:11:43
From: transition
ID: 1999905
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:

ah well at least the oncologists might get their payday

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0165037822002923

COVID-19 can lead to rapid progression of cervical intraepithelial neoplasia by dysregulating the immune system: A hypothesis

1.2. Case presentation

reading that

anywhere-everywhere-covid is a fucken disaster, but it’s what you get when the nobody is let be responsible, no responsibility, shared irresponsibility, licensed

a pandemic++ denied, faded into an everywhere-oblivion

really it’s a serious pollution, causing mass injury

Reply Quote

Date: 28/02/2023 09:55:55
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1999921
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

transition said:


SCIENCE said:

ah well at least the oncologists might get their payday

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0165037822002923

COVID-19 can lead to rapid progression of cervical intraepithelial neoplasia by dysregulating the immune system: A hypothesis

1.2. Case presentation

reading that

anywhere-everywhere-covid is a fucken disaster, but it’s what you get when the nobody is let be responsible, no responsibility, shared irresponsibility, licensed

a pandemic++ denied, faded into an everywhere-oblivion

really it’s a serious pollution, causing mass injury

don’t worry soon lower life expectancy and higher illness will be normal and everyone can look forward to going on cruises into international contested waters and flying over beautiful hostile lands more richly than ever before

Reply Quote

Date: 28/02/2023 09:59:42
From: roughbarked
ID: 1999923
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:


transition said:

SCIENCE said:

ah well at least the oncologists might get their payday

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0165037822002923

COVID-19 can lead to rapid progression of cervical intraepithelial neoplasia by dysregulating the immune system: A hypothesis

1.2. Case presentation

reading that

anywhere-everywhere-covid is a fucken disaster, but it’s what you get when the nobody is let be responsible, no responsibility, shared irresponsibility, licensed

a pandemic++ denied, faded into an everywhere-oblivion

really it’s a serious pollution, causing mass injury

don’t worry soon lower life expectancy and higher illness will be normal and everyone can look forward to going on cruises into international contested waters and flying over beautiful hostile lands more richly than ever before

Might be worse if they live near a piggery.
A survey of about 800 people finds more people have been infected with Japanese Encephalitis Virus than originally thought, as the Victorian government expands eligibility criteria for vaccinations.

Reply Quote

Date: 28/02/2023 10:20:23
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1999934
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

don’t worry, there’s less vascular disease in April so it’s all good, that SARACAIDS-CoV thing is good for the heart in April, see

Reply Quote

Date: 28/02/2023 20:16:08
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2000374
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

so with this shit, our question is

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/feb/26/lateral-flow-tests-being-prepared-for-outbreaks-of-avian-flu

is human-to-human transmission rare

After a girl in Cambodia died from H5N1, the UK Health Security Agency is on alert but says human-to-human transmission is rare

or is it not at all recorded

Reply Quote

Date: 28/02/2023 21:39:15
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2000410
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

everything you never wanted, and less

https://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/download/committees/commrep/26537/toc_pdf/Health,%20Aged%20Care%20and%20Sport%20Committee_2023_02_20.pdf;fileType=application%2Fpdf#search=%22committees/commrep/26537/0000%22

Reply Quote

Date: 28/02/2023 21:44:52
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2000413
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

Reply Quote

Date: 28/02/2023 22:58:07
From: transition
ID: 2000426
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

SCIENCE said:


read that cheers

Reply Quote

Date: 1/03/2023 14:44:26
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2000723
Subject: re: Covid Feb 2023

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-01/passenger-train-freight-train-collide-central-greece/102038088

Reply Quote