I would love to read what the brains trust think…

How Long Will It Take to Actually Change The System?

as long as it takes a generation to die

ms spock said:

I would love to read what the brains trust think…

How Long Will It Take to Actually Change The System?

What’s the summary

SCIENCE said:

as long as it takes a generation to die

At least perhaps the current youngest generation needs to educated their future children with a completely different mindset about entitlement and the long term future of planet Earth.

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

as long as it takes a generation to die

At least perhaps the current youngest generation needs to educated their future children with a completely different mindset about entitlement and the long term future of planet Earth.

oh all right since they’ve fucked up the education of this next generation, make that as long as it takes 2 generations to die

SCIENCE said:

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

as long as it takes a generation to die

At least perhaps the current youngest generation needs to educated their future children with a completely different mindset about entitlement and the long term future of planet Earth.

oh all right since they’ve fucked up the education of this next generation, make that as long as it takes 2 generations to die

Certain discoveries if they actually happen (for example cheap or free clean renewable energy generation) should be shared freely no one has a monopoly or else its more of the same.
Government worldwide stops its bullshit.
I’d like to know if you fronted the UN said I have the technology and knowledge to fix the planet, give everyone a decent life, end poverty and war (disease less likely) would they say yes if it meant no one had power over others.

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

Cymek said:

At least perhaps the current youngest generation needs to educated their future children with a completely different mindset about entitlement and the long term future of planet Earth.

oh all right since they’ve fucked up the education of this next generation, make that as long as it takes 2 generations to die

Certain discoveries if they actually happen (for example cheap or free clean renewable energy generation) should be shared freely no one has a monopoly or else its more of the same.
Government worldwide stops its bullshit.
I’d like to know if you fronted the UN said I have the technology and knowledge to fix the planet, give everyone a decent life, end poverty and war (disease less likely) would they say yes if it meant no one had power over others.

well they have such a thing, it’s called P2 équivalent masks, and look what happened

Systemic change is always going to be slow and frustrating. Apart from the obvious ‘old school’ folk who benefit from antiquated systems that cause damage in a contemporary society, implementing change begins with asking for change. That takes research and support from stakeholders.. which takes time… convincing people to change is super difficult.

After you have gained the support and enough evidence though, you then have to go through changing the legislation.. which, again is time consuming, costly and often exhausting.
And systemic change is particulate, because economically it makes little sense to implement whole new systems for distant future benefits.
Finally, governments like (time of term) solutions…

Change for the sake of change is just nuts.
Change requires careful deliberation, take going from pounds shillings and pence to dollars and cents or going from feet to centimeters, we did it slowly
and carefully, or the introduction of the GST, had to be phased in carefully etc.
We need to debate these things, things like the Voice.
Is The Voice a progressive move or just a throwaway line from a Jhonny Farnham song?
We don’t need to rush these things.

Peak Warming Man said:

Change for the sake of change is just nuts.
Change requires careful deliberation, take going from pounds shillings and pence to dollars and cents or going from feet to centimeters, we did it slowly
and carefully, or the introduction of the GST, had to be phased in carefully etc.
We need to debate these things, things like the Voice.
Is The Voice a progressive move or just a throwaway line from a Jhonny Farnham song?
We don’t need to rush these things.

One of the benefits of democracy is the popular mandate for necessary change not found in hidebound authoritarian systems. Given the consideration of the electorate much needed rapid change can be mandated given the right circumstances.

I only have to ask the question; How much have you changed yourself in your lifetime and educated any ankle biters you may have had to be more caring than yourselves?

roughbarked said:

I only have to ask the question; How much have you changed yourself in your lifetime and educated any ankle biters you may have had to be more caring than yourselves?

When I was young I was a leftwing radical throwing stones at the embassy.
As I’ve grown older and wiser (a wisdom gained from the university of life) I’ve become a moderate conservative.

roughbarked said:

I only have to ask the question; How much have you changed yourself in your lifetime and educated any ankle biters you may have had to be more caring than yourselves?

98.3395%

Peak Warming Man said:

roughbarked said:

I only have to ask the question; How much have you changed yourself in your lifetime and educated any ankle biters you may have had to be more caring than yourselves?

When I was young I was a leftwing radical throwing stones at the embassy.
As I’ve grown older and wiser (a wisdom gained from the university of life) I’ve become a moderate conservative.

Which embassy?

I have to admit, I have changed less than PWM.

There’s still time I suppose.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Peak Warming Man said:

roughbarked said:

I only have to ask the question; How much have you changed yourself in your lifetime and educated any ankle biters you may have had to be more caring than yourselves?

When I was young I was a leftwing radical throwing stones at the embassy.
As I’ve grown older and wiser (a wisdom gained from the university of life) I’ve become a moderate conservative.

Which embassy?

I have to admit, I have changed less than PWM.

There’s still time I suppose.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py8yU2hiY28

roughbarked said:

I only have to ask the question; How much have you changed yourself in your lifetime and educated any ankle biters you may have had to be more caring than yourselves?

I think so much of how the world is run is fucked, humanity as a race doesn’t value life.
We have so much potential but I wonder if being the apex predator we are prone to self destruction taking numerous other living things with us.
The status quo and traditions/beliefs should always be questioned but you run the risk of being called out as intolerant/racist/etc when that way of life regardless of whom it is in not acceptable anymore.
I wonder how anyone has respect for the law when you can buy your way out assuming it is even enforced and the government who makes those laws doesn’t follow them.
You’ve got to live your life and that means earning money and how can you do that without exploiting something/ones, minimise it I suppose, but yeah.

Peak Warming Man said:

roughbarked said:

I only have to ask the question; How much have you changed yourself in your lifetime and educated any ankle biters you may have had to be more caring than yourselves?

When I was young I was a leftwing radical throwing stones at the embassy.
As I’ve grown older and wiser (a wisdom gained from the university of life) I’ve become a moderate conservative.

Moderate like Malcolm Turnbull, Julie Bishop and other centre-right Liberals? I thought you wanted them to FOAD?

Cymek said:

roughbarked said:

I only have to ask the question; How much have you changed yourself in your lifetime and educated any ankle biters you may have had to be more caring than yourselves?

I think so much of how the world is run is fucked, humanity as a race doesn’t value life.
We have so much potential but I wonder if being the apex predator we are prone to self destruction taking numerous other living things with us.
The status quo and traditions/beliefs should always be questioned but you run the risk of being called out as intolerant/racist/etc when that way of life regardless of whom it is in not acceptable anymore.
I wonder how anyone has respect for the law when you can buy your way out assuming it is even enforced and the government who makes those laws doesn’t follow them.
You’ve got to live your life and that means earning money and how can you do that without exploiting something/ones, minimise it I suppose, but yeah.

In so many ways the laws are what stifle us.

roughbarked said:

Cymek said:

roughbarked said:

I only have to ask the question; How much have you changed yourself in your lifetime and educated any ankle biters you may have had to be more caring than yourselves?

I think so much of how the world is run is fucked, humanity as a race doesn’t value life.
We have so much potential but I wonder if being the apex predator we are prone to self destruction taking numerous other living things with us.
The status quo and traditions/beliefs should always be questioned but you run the risk of being called out as intolerant/racist/etc when that way of life regardless of whom it is in not acceptable anymore.
I wonder how anyone has respect for the law when you can buy your way out assuming it is even enforced and the government who makes those laws doesn’t follow them.
You’ve got to live your life and that means earning money and how can you do that without exploiting something/ones, minimise it I suppose, but yeah.

In so many ways the laws are what stifle us.

Yes
Lots of evil people in charge often the government, protected by the law, members of democratic societies, rich and powerful, seen as upstanding members of society with huge numbers of supporters.
Should be taken out/down but if you did you’d be convicted of sedition and likely disappeared.

Cymek said:

roughbarked said:

Cymek said:

I think so much of how the world is run is fucked, humanity as a race doesn’t value life.
We have so much potential but I wonder if being the apex predator we are prone to self destruction taking numerous other living things with us.
The status quo and traditions/beliefs should always be questioned but you run the risk of being called out as intolerant/racist/etc when that way of life regardless of whom it is in not acceptable anymore.
I wonder how anyone has respect for the law when you can buy your way out assuming it is even enforced and the government who makes those laws doesn’t follow them.
You’ve got to live your life and that means earning money and how can you do that without exploiting something/ones, minimise it I suppose, but yeah.

In so many ways the laws are what stifle us.

Yes
Lots of evil people in charge often the government, protected by the law, members of democratic societies, rich and powerful, seen as upstanding members of society with huge numbers of supporters.
Should be taken out/down but if you did you’d be convicted of sedition and likely disappeared.

Thankfully you live in a democracy so there’s probably a political party right up your alley, or hell, start a new one.

Cymek said:

roughbarked said:

Cymek said:

I think so much of how the world is run is fucked, humanity as a race doesn’t value life.
We have so much potential but I wonder if being the apex predator we are prone to self destruction taking numerous other living things with us.
The status quo and traditions/beliefs should always be questioned but you run the risk of being called out as intolerant/racist/etc when that way of life regardless of whom it is in not acceptable anymore.
I wonder how anyone has respect for the law when you can buy your way out assuming it is even enforced and the government who makes those laws doesn’t follow them.
You’ve got to live your life and that means earning money and how can you do that without exploiting something/ones, minimise it I suppose, but yeah.

In so many ways the laws are what stifle us.

Yes
Lots of evil people in charge often the government, protected by the law, members of democratic societies, rich and powerful, seen as upstanding members of society with huge numbers of supporters.
Should be taken out/down but if you did you’d be convicted of sedition and likely disappeared.

maybe you should enjoy some kind of political system where impetus for change can be defused into talk and propaganda rather than coordinated societal action

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

as long as it takes a generation to die

At least perhaps the current youngest generation needs to educated their future children with a completely different mindset about entitlement and the long term future of planet Earth.

Ha. I got that in primary school.

About entitlement and the long term future of planet Earth that is.

It’s the hippie mindset from the mid 1960s.

People educated with the mindset you’re talking about are now dying of old age. Ain’t no different.

mollwollfumble said:

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

as long as it takes a generation to die

At least perhaps the current youngest generation needs to educated their future children with a completely different mindset about entitlement and the long term future of planet Earth.

Ha. I got that in primary school.

About entitlement and the long term future of planet Earth that is.

It’s the hippie mindset from the mid 1960s.

People educated with the mindset you’re talking about are now dying of old age. Ain’t no different.

Yes hippies became hypocrites

Cymek said:

mollwollfumble said:

Cymek said:

At least perhaps the current youngest generation needs to educated their future children with a completely different mindset about entitlement and the long term future of planet Earth.

Ha. I got that in primary school.

About entitlement and the long term future of planet Earth that is.

It’s the hippie mindset from the mid 1960s.

People educated with the mindset you’re talking about are now dying of old age. Ain’t no different.

Yes hippies became hypocrites

kenoath

SCIENCE said:

Cymek said:

mollwollfumble said:

Ha. I got that in primary school.

About entitlement and the long term future of planet Earth that is.

It’s the hippie mindset from the mid 1960s.

People educated with the mindset you’re talking about are now dying of old age. Ain’t no different.

Yes hippies became hypocrites

kenoath

I thought stereotyping people based on generalised groupings like skin colour or gender or age was supposed to be a bad thing, but I suppose I must have got that wrong.

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

Cymek said:

Yes hippies became hypocrites

kenoath

I thought stereotyping people based on generalised groupings like skin colour or gender or age was supposed to be a bad thing, but I suppose I must have got that wrong.

I think it helps to compartmentalise people, that way you can get a hierarchy and see where you fit in.

ChrispenEvan said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

kenoath

I thought stereotyping people based on generalised groupings like skin colour or gender or age was supposed to be a bad thing, but I suppose I must have got that wrong.

I think it helps to compartmentalise people, that way you can get a hierarchy and see where you fit in.

What, even if you always seem to end up in the “unspeakably evil” category?

The Rev Dodgson said:

ChrispenEvan said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I thought stereotyping people based on generalised groupings like skin colour or gender or age was supposed to be a bad thing, but I suppose I must have got that wrong.

I think it helps to compartmentalise people, that way you can get a hierarchy and see where you fit in.

What, even if you always seem to end up in the “unspeakably evil” category?

It’s not all about you Rev!

runs away

The Rev Dodgson said:

ChrispenEvan said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I thought stereotyping people based on generalised groupings like skin colour or gender or age was supposed to be a bad thing, but I suppose I must have got that wrong.

I think it helps to compartmentalise people, that way you can get a hierarchy and see where you fit in.

What, even if you always seem to end up in the “unspeakably evil” category?

Nowt wrong with being unspeakably evil.

ChrispenEvan said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

ChrispenEvan said:

I think it helps to compartmentalise people, that way you can get a hierarchy and see where you fit in.

What, even if you always seem to end up in the “unspeakably evil” category?

Nowt wrong with being unspeakably evil.

that’s oath keepers, not hippopotamus